IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-08-10

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piggzcatching up on the 'meego coding competition' got interesting today :)00:08
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antman8969heading over now! any judging start yet?00:14
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antman8969last I heard the disqualified contestants were arguing00:15
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vi__~dict lame00:19
infobotDictionary 'lame' (3 of 9): deprive of the use of a limb, especially a leg; "The accident has crippled her for life"  ;; someone who doesn't understand what is going on  ;; disabled in the feet or legs; "a crippled soldier"; "a game leg" .00:19
vi__a 'game' leg00:19
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vi__I think that should be a 'gammy' leg00:19
vi__did you hear about the man with a gammy leg named smith?00:20
* vi__ no, what did he call the other one?00:20
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vi__-_- il get my coat00:21
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Dantonickernel-power-flasher: PreDepends: kernel-power (= 2.6.28-maemo42) but 1:2.6.28-10power47 is to be installed00:22
Dantoniccan't install the power kernel for some reason00:22
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Dantonicunmet dependencies00:23
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ruskieso nice having 0 usable navigation apps on the n90000:27
ruskieto correct... offline navigation apps00:28
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GAN900 tick tick tick00:36
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Juozapashow to use asterisk * symbol in apt-get command?00:54
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piggzantman8969: yeah, there was some whining...seemed to involve abill_uk too, i dont think voting has started yet01:10
antman8969drama can be fun...01:11
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cehtehruskie: monav.openstreetmap.de01:29
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Juozapaswhat is the name of "user guide" package? i want to remove it via apt-get02:36
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DocScrutinizer51hell what a wind here03:07
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Guest90723good morning03:20
Guest90723damn it03:20
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Dantoniccan anyone help with a kernel-power issue after installing nitdroid?  I seem to have lost kernel-power, and am not sure how to get it back03:29
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Dantonicwhen I try installing it from app manager I get missing dependancies03:29
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Dantonici get application packages missing: kernel-power....03:33
Dantonicbut I can't find that package... where do I find it?03:33
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Dantoniccan anyone help?03:45
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pigeonis the addressbook file on the n900 really encrypted? (~/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db)05:54
SpeedEvilFairly sure not05:54
SpeedEvilIt's just sql05:54
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pigeonpretty much any sql command i do i get: Error: file is encrypted or is not a database05:55
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pigeonor i can't just open it with sqlite3?05:55
SpeedEvilah- ok05:56
SpeedEvilnot working here either05:56
pigeonoh wait05:56
pigeonfile addressbook.db gives me: addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order)05:56
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pigeonall those .db are not sqlite then...05:57
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doc|homeah nokia, such a nice idea gone so far wrong09:49
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ErwinJungeI'd like to use a more recent compiler (let's say the most recent codesourcery edition) with scratchbox to develop for the N900. I did some googling on the subject, but didn't really find any clear advice. Is this possible, or will I run into incompatibilities with Nokia-provided libs?11:13
robbiethe1stWhy not just use the version of GCC that came with it?11:15
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ErwinJungeBecause it doesn't vectorize some code properly, and apparently gcc 4.5 should be better at that. I'd like to test, but not really looking forward to hacking in something that will turn out non-functional anyway.11:16
TronicI don't see why you couldn't even use clang (okay, I didn't check whether it supports the architecture) as long as you keep using the Nokia-provided version of libstdc++.11:16
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TronicGCC usually ships a new version of libstdc++ and that could easily cause trouble.11:16
TronicEven though the API has AFAIK been stable since GCC 3.4.11:17
ErwinJungeThat's what I'd be expecting, lot's of trouble. Anyone here have experience with switching compilers?11:18
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Macerso is nokia going to  sell n950s?11:24
Maceror are those of us interested screwed and stuck with an N9   as our only option?11:24
ErwinJungeI'd say the N900 is the only option, since the N9 misses the very essential keyboard...11:24
Macermy n900 is  still missing the very essential usb port that fell off11:25
ErwinJungeBut hey, the N900 is still awesome :) I don't even want a new phone yet11:25
Macergoing this weekend to get the new one soldered on11:25
ErwinJungeAh, that sucks, makes charging a bit hard11:25
Macersure does11:25
Macerand i want the port11:25
ErwinJungeI can understand that. I'm always really careful using the usb port because of all the stories about it breaking.11:26
Maceri dont have the awesome soldering skills to fix it myself so  i  figure i would pay someone to do it11:26
Macerbest to open it now and enforce  it11:26
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Maceri was so sad that day11:26
Maceralthough messing with my G2 .. android has its moments11:27
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ErwinJungeMight be a good idea actually, just hotglue it in place or something11:27
Macernot too bad but not maemo11:27
Macerand the kb on the n900 is better11:27
Maceryeah. do it now while there is hope11:27
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Maceri honestly didnt know about the crapily soldered port11:28
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Macerso it came as a shock to me  when  it  broke11:28
Macertalk about saving  money in the wrong places11:28
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Macerah well. hopefully this weekend i can find a place that can solder it on11:29
Macerand put  something on it to make sure it never falls off again11:29
ErwinJungeGood luck with it11:30
Maceri miss my n900 so much11:30
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Maceri put pics  of the broken one there11:31
Macerah well11:31
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ErwinJungeInteresting pic there of a guy who fixed it11:36
Juozapaswhat is the name of "user guide" package? i want to remove it via apt-get11:36
ErwinJungeHowever I think I'll need to get someone else to fix that for me as well, looks very tiny and easy to screw up...11:37
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ErwinJungeJuozapas: No idea, did some quick apt-cache search stuff, but can't find it.11:40
ErwinJungeWhy not just use HAM or fapman?11:40
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ShapeshifterNo gnu screen in the repos :<12:05
ShapeshifterI am disappoint.12:05
ShapeshifterNo tmux either.12:05
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Sicelothere is :)12:08
robbiethe1stScreen's in a 'tools' repo along with some other stuff12:10
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Sicelodistribution: fremantle/tools12:21
RST38hhehe, the Kangal guy continues his photoshop design quest =)12:26
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crashanddieThe N9 won't be sold in The US, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Netherlands, UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy...12:38
crashanddieOh wait12:40
crashanddiebad blog post, disregard that.12:40
jieronope, n9 won't sell in US and UK only.12:40
psycho_oreosthere was a tmo thread about N9 not for sale in US12:40
crashanddieI don't get the US and UK move though.12:41
yssswon't be hard to bring one into US, since it's a fcc certified device anyway12:41
jierobeside, any news to bring N9 system to N900?12:41
psycho_oreosthe funny irony is that even though you may not be able to officially get it in US but that doesn't stop you from sourcing the device elsewhere12:41
ysssthe problem will probably just be the price.. and time to ship it..12:41
crashanddieI mean, sure, I get it, because Elop wants WP to dominate, yada yada.12:41
psycho_oreosI don't think either of those are an issue if one's desperate12:41
crashanddieysss, the problem is carriers12:41
crashanddieysss, if carriers don't offer it with a contract, most people won't buy it.12:42
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yssscrash: sure, for nokia. i was talking from a personal pov.12:42
jieroif there is no Lock,  I guess N9 will be same fate as N900?12:42
ysssthe n9 has a wider appeal than n900 though.. not to mention it won't have a Tmobile-only frequency (rite?)12:43
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psycho_oreosThere's no exact wording on what N9 will be like, will it be a proper phone or will it be an internet tablet with phone functionality just like N900 will be ultimately decided by nokia themselves12:47
psycho_oreostechnically if the carriers don't sell the N9 through a contract, this would actually turn people off. As that would mean for them to obtain one is to either buy it in its outright price (if they can afford it) or to simply not bother with the device at all12:47
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jieroN9 must have more Commercial support, I saw EA.12:48
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jieroBeside, N9 won't lose market in China. less than 1% of Chinese buy phone from contract.12:48
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xkr47how do oyu like it Venemo_N950?12:52
Venemo_N950xkr47, I like it12:53
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Venemo_N950how much I prefer it or not I will decide when the final firmware comes :)12:53
jierowill Nokia sell N950 in US and UK?12:56
TronicIt would appear that they don't but I would only consider that a rumor at this point.12:56
Tronic(especially the UK part)12:56
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crashanddiejiero, the N950 will not be sold anywhere.12:57
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jierocrashanddie: I don't want it to be so sure. -_-12:58
cobra182Has anyone seen a issue where the facebook account is not available in the normal accounts for conversations etc? Community Update. I swear it was there before and is now missing.12:58
Troniccrashanddie, jiero: Hmm, I misread that as N9 :O12:59
psycho_oreosthe N950 wasn't meant to be sold anywhere and I highly doubt there would be any doubts over N950 being manufactured and made for sale13:05
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Trewaseh nokia quit from american market completely for now13:11
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crashanddienot at all, Trewas13:17
crashanddiethey're just creating an artificial dry spell13:17
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TronicSure, let stores reorganize the shelves so that there is no "Nokia" area anymore.13:18
TronicThat sure will help.13:18
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keriowhy wasn't the plan b successful? :(13:22
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yssswho knows how the 'regular joes' think nowadays, or the affluent chinese market which makes up a considerable %13:23
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ysssmaybe they'll think the n9 is cool and the market unavailability will drive the demand (and price) up and nokia will have to make 10s of millions to satisfy the weird market13:24
keriofucking Flop13:26
ysssgo for it13:26
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utanapischtiflashmob "synchronized channel leaving"?13:30
kerioping timeout brah13:30
utanapischtinormally i would expect individual ping timeout events instead of >10 the same second13:31
kerioor freenode13:31
utanapischtithe last mystery13:32
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GAN900We're all going to be washed away by the rain.16:16
RST38hWhich won't be the worst way to end one's life.16:17
FIQ|n900spawn more rain16:19
jaskawhich rain16:19
FIQ|n900that rain *points to the window*16:20
jaskathere is no rain.16:20
FIQ|n900the rain isn't a lie!16:20
utanapischti"there" is an illusion16:20
GAN900You'd figure with so much rain here Florida drivers would eventually get wise to how to handle it.16:21
GAN900But noooo, we've got all the damn yankees down here who freak out when there's a little lightning.16:22
FIQ|n900thunder here as well :D16:22
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GAN900There are 5 cars stalled out at the instersection from trying to go through the puddle.17:01
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AliasXZmust be deep!17:02
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* javispedro sighs at TMO downtime and the latest 17:49
javispedropost in the ask council thread.17:49
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ErwinJungejavispedro: link?18:12
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javispedroI did not know that some idiot was trying to sell one of those noop "optimizer" apps.18:13
javispedroand specially I did not know that he shipped as many GPLd binaries (what for?) without source.18:14
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Triscar0hi, what is the defualt user\pass when connect to my N900 thru putty ?18:15
javispedroTriscar0: you entered it when installing openssh.18:15
SpeedEvilIt is set when you install18:15
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ErwinJungeuser = root, password = set when you install18:16
ErwinJungeHm... ninja'd :)18:16
Triscar0i didnt install anything? just connected my n900 to my network and putty it?18:16
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SpeedEvilThen there is no ssh server running on it18:18
SpeedEviland you can't connect18:18
ErwinJungejavispedro: Why would anyone even bother to try something named "Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Efficient Enhance Optimization Tune-Up Utilities" ? It even sounds like a scam...18:19
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javispedroErwinJunge: you'd be surprised...18:19
MohammadAGOMG where do I sign up?18:20
MohammadAGjavispedro, dude!!118:20
ErwinJungeConsidering that I'm always surprised when people click links in random e-mails, I guess I'd be surprised here as well :)18:20
SpeedEvilIt should have 'with details of money left to you with an african dictator' in the title too18:20
MohammadAGNokia N900 Smartphone Performance Efficient Enhance Optimization Tune-Up Utilities can totally optimize aegis!!!18:20
MohammadAGyes I know aegis was hole-d18:21
ErwinJungeMohammadAG: Now what would happen if that line in the logs would become the first hit in google? :D18:21
MohammadAGErwinJunge, ???18:21
MohammadAGfollowed by Profit! of course18:21
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javispedroany (root) app can trigger aegis selfdestruction by writing to /var/malf18:22
javispedroso there's DocScrutinizer's trigger-aegis-selfdestruction app18:22
MohammadAGecho 1 > /var/malf18:23
javispedroMohammadAG: you need a reboot or "dsmetool -b" for that to enter in effect18:23
javispedrobut I wouldn't do that.18:23
javispedrounless you have USB cable nearly.18:24
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javispedroI have to wonder if the level of user-friendliness of a mobile device community can be evaluated by monitoring the feedback to "dubious effect tuneup" applications.18:31
ErwinJungejavispedro: Btw, thanks for your help with SDL_gles earlier, I got it working. Just 5fps however, optimizing now.18:31
javispedroie the fact that we still call on the guy proves that we're too geeky.18:31
javispedroErwinJunge: ah, nice to know. Are you experimenting with oprofile and all of those?18:31
ErwinJunge:) Well, the first response said he was interested but didn't understand, so that's a good thing right?18:31
strangris the python interpreter preinstalled in freemantle18:32
javispedrostrangr: nope, but it's on extras.18:32
ErwinJungeYeah, used oprofile. Normally use gprof, but it's remarkably similar.18:32
javispedrooprofile is the suggested way on Maemo either way, considering that we have -dbg symbols for several packages and the oprofile module (already a miracle)18:33
strangrcan i compile my python scripts into a binary to execute on freemantle18:33
ErwinJunge20% of time is spent inside one function with a lot of vectorizable loops. Sadly, gcc fails to use neon for this, so I'm looking into writing neon assembly.18:33
Triscar0after a factory reset, will the lock code change?, what is the orginal lock code? 12345?18:33
javispedrostrangr: just depend on the interpreter18:33
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strangrjavispedro: ok so its in extras.. can i have it automatically installed with a qt app i package?18:35
ErwinJungejavispedro: Did you ever try upgrading gcc to get better auto-vectorization?18:35
javispedroErwinJunge: yeah, the Fremantle gcc version also seemingly has a few neon intrinsics bugs18:35
javispedrostrangr: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.or18:35
javispedrostrangr: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org18:35
javispedroErwinJunge: nope, did not have the need so far.18:36
ErwinJungeWas notified about the bugs already (thankfully before implementing the algorithm in neon intrinsics). That's why I'm going to do it in hand-crafted assembly. Should be fun :)18:36
strangrjavispedro: thanks :)18:36
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ErwinJungejavispedro: I didn't have the need so far either, but this code is in the "embarassingly parallel" group, so it should be easily vectorizable... When googling about upgrading gcc I only found a lot of "not going to work, don't try, very hard" kind of comments. Was hoping to find someone here who had some experience with it.18:38
javispedroI can attest it is "very hard".18:39
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javispedroso you could test using the prebuilt codesourcery toolchains first18:41
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ErwinJungeYeah, going to try that. The upside ofcourse is that if it does autovectorize, I can always simply use it's assembly code in the app ;)18:43
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fosstuxHi! I'm just trying to flash my N900 using Fedora 15. I'm using the maemo flasher 3.5 from tar.gz.19:11
fosstuxAll I get is Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy19:11
fosstuxBut it detects the device at bus  00219:12
fosstuxany Ideas?19:12
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fluxfosstux, I don't know, but maybe some other process that gets interested on the device as well19:16
fluxfosstux, you could try lsof or fuser to find out, but I'm not certain those will reeval all users19:16
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hiemanshufosstux: you have modprobe -r cdc_phonet19:23
hiemanshuhave to*19:23
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Triscar0what command shuld i run on jack the ripper to get it work ? trying to crack my lock code pass because i forgot it.19:35
Triscar0john -i:digits /home/dir/phone_lock_hash19:36
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fosstuxI got it to work.19:47
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Itschuehello what is the best way to get ssh over usb with windows pc20:01
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ErwinJungejavispedro: Well, I tried with the latest codesourcery binary, also no vectorization, it claims "not vectorized: complicated access pattern."20:06
ErwinJungeItschue: I got it working on with Ubuntu using this:
ErwinJungeIt has some windows instructions as well, I suggest your try those.20:07
ErwinJungeBtw, this is regarded by gcc as a "complicated access pattern":
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ItschueErwinJunge i know this wiki instruction but i need mad developer is this the only way or the best?20:24
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ErwinJungeItschue: What do you mean by "I need mad developer"?20:34
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ItschueWindows USB networking does not work out of the box, but the old 770 workaround still works. So follow these steps:20:36
Itschue    install the Mad Developer application on N900 and start it and press "Usb Networking" -> "Windows Network" -> "Close20:36
Itschuethis says the wiki in the windows sektion20:36
ErwinJungeAh, well, I guess your screwed then. Sounds like a problem on the Windows side.20:38
Itschuealso im right that this is the only way with windows?20:38
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Itschueand what is the better ssh openssh or dropbear ssh20:42
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ErwinJungeItschue: I personally use openssh and have never had any problems with it. Can't comment on dropbear. Since I don't use windows, I really don't know if there is another way. From reading that bit of the wiki, it seems the problem lies at the Windows side of things, which suggests that it can't be solved by changing stuff on device.20:51
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: Hey there, would it be a big bother to you if you would update the youtube-dl package to a more recent version from git? Build and submit? Pretty please? :) The one the repo has a bad bug.20:57
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: mh wait a minute. youtube-dl can update itself ^^20:59
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Itschueok thanks erwin and an other thing is this youi know this thread
Itschuei this good or probably a bad thing?21:00
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ErwinJungeItschue: Generally speaking, all of the "magic speedup script/app" things are bad. I don't know this particular one though.21:02
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ErwinJungeItschue: Also, the thread tags include things such as "autobrick", "do not install" and "script-a-brick".21:04
ErwinJungeDoesn't sound very safe to me (I won't try it)21:04
ShapeshifterItschue: plus they pretty much don't do crock.21:05
ShapeshifterItschue: mostly placebo.21:05
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ShapeshifterWhat format should a video be in to run absolutely great on the N900?21:25
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Itschueshapeshifter & erwinjunge so its a little fake ? i thougt that isnt really good so i dont try it i think this is the best21:27
ErwinJungeItschue: What we're saying is that it is most likely fake and that we don't trust it so are not going to try.21:28
ErwinJungeShapeshifter: 1x1 ;) You'll be guaranteed a great framerate21:28
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ErwinJungeBut more seriously, I the N900 has hardware acceleration for H264, MPEG-4 and WMV921:31
ErwinJungeSo I'd go with H264. Don't forget to scale to 800x48021:32
ShapeshifterErwinJunge: Thanks. Any pointer what tool is best to convert flv to H264 on the device?21:39
n900evilI used mencoder.21:42
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ErwinJungeI always use mencoder as well21:48
ErwinJungeBut I think flv can have H264 in it, so just try21:48
ErwinJungeflv = container format, right?21:48
ErwinJungeH264 = codec21:48
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ruskie <-- erm22:12
ErwinJungeYeah, 20A over your usb cable, think of the possibilities! Free lighting and portable heat from the fire started in the cable! ;)22:15
SpeedEvilNot quite.22:15
SpeedEvilFor example, 30V@2.5A22:16
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ShapeshifterErwinJunge: yes I would need to check if the contents are H264, sometimes they are, sometimes not.22:16
SpeedEvilIn fact, it pretty much has to be under 2A or shit will catch fire22:16
keriooptification is also oops, i accidentally the whole FHS22:17
keriono, wait22:17
kerio~optification is also oops, i accidentally the whole FHS22:17
infobotkerio: that's too long22:17
kerioinfobot, y u no worky22:17
keriooptification is also i accidentally the whole FHS22:17
kerioinfobot: optification is also i accidentally the whole FHS22:17
infobotthat's too long, kerio22:17
keriowell fuck you then22:18
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ErwinJungeSpeedEvil: They don't say they're going to up the voltage, right?22:21
ErwinJungeSo then 100W means 20A22:22
ErwinJungeWhich is exciting for the cable to say the least ;)22:22
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* SpeedEvil sighs.22:26
SpeedEvilRead the fucking words.22:26
SpeedEvilSorry, but...22:26
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SpeedEvilI shouldn't internet with migraine.22:29
SpeedEvilAnyway - key words are 'or voltage'22:29
ErwinJungeenabling voltage and current values to be negotiated over the USB power pins - my bad22:30
ErwinJungeRead a different article earlier that didn't mention that22:30
ErwinJungeOnly mentioned raising the current22:30
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SpeedEvilI also thought this was ##electronics22:32
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SpeedEvilWhich would have been a ratehr sillier comment there.22:32
SpeedEvilI've also been randing about that they should do this for at least 8 years now. :)22:33
GAN900SpeedEvil, get the silly N950 behaving yet?22:34
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SpeedEvilGAN900: For some barking mad reason, it wouldn't flash on 2.6.33 properly.22:41
SpeedEvilI compiled a fresh 3 (for laptop, not phone) and it worke.22:42
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SpeedEvilI'm now setting up a logging proxy for its first connection to the internet22:42
crysishello, anyone here?22:42
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crysisI have a question about nitdroid22:44
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Sujithim having problems regarding my phone updates22:45
Sujithcan anyone help me please22:45
crysisif you have an microsd card, does it auto install on it and doesn't partition the main memory so when you take it out its as it was before the install?22:45
Sujithhello crysis ,22:45
crysishi, I guess we both need help :)22:45
crysiswhats wrong with your updates?22:46
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Sujiththe thing is it,,,whenever i m  trying to install new applications22:46
Sujithit says an error22:46
Sujithso i doubt it must be a software update of my version22:47
Sujithis that so , crysis ?22:47
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crysisis this with every app or only a specific one?22:47
Sujithi would say a proportion of 5 out of 10 apps i m trying to download22:48
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crysisdo you have the extra repository enabled?22:48
Sujithsorry , what's that ?22:49
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Sujithand i never knew to take advantage of  x - terminal too22:49
Sujithso you can treat me a lik a kid with N90022:50
Sujithso , should i download this app or firmware update ?22:51
crysislol im not an expert myself, don't know how much help I can be, I wish someone else spoke up :)22:51
Sicelocrysis: i'm sure someone can help u with Nitdroid, but see /topic as well22:51
crysiswhich topic?22:51
SiceloSujith: what error do you get?22:51
Sujithi am getting errors like22:52
Sujithsome catalogues couldnt be installed22:52
Sicelotopic for this channel crysis22:52
Sujithso , does it mean should i update my maemo version22:52
SujithSicelo ?22:53
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Sujithis ther anyone who could help me ? any experts on maemo 522:54
Sicelocheck the log i Apllication manager22:55
Sicelo/s/g i/g in/22:55
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crysislol I'm such a noob, where are these topics and how can I access them?22:55
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Sicelothen paste it somewhere so we can see what's happening Sujith22:56
Sujithyea Sicelo , i found the log on my phone22:57
Sicelocrysis: in part, topic says :  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash22:57
Sujithfor application manager22:57
Sicelo          rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED22:57
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Siceloi'm not saying someone can't help u22:57
SujithShould i say those application log22:59
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Siceloyes Sujith . but not here because it may be too long23:00
Sicelouse a Pastebin on internet23:00
Sujithis that the only way , Sicelo or can we find a another way to sort this issue off23:01
Sujithcan you give me the latest maemo version recently updated23:02
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Siceloi'm noob myself23:02
Sujithso that i can check with mine23:02
crysispr 1.323:02
crysisthats the newest update if I'm not mistaken23:02
Sujithmine is 10.2010.19-1.00323:03
Sujithi checked it unnder about product from seetings23:03
Sujithcan you check urs as well , crysis23:03
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SujithSicelo , so should i update my maemo ?23:04
Siceloyes, update Sujith23:04
crysisI have 20.2010.36-223:04
Sujithso thats my problem i think23:05
Sujithis that the only way to flash it ,,following those instructions23:05
Siceloyes. the page gives u 3 options iirc23:05
crysissicelo do you have nitdroid installed?23:06
SiceloOTA update, using Nokia PC Softeare, or flashing23:06
Sicelono crysis. and never will. sorry23:06
crysiswhy is not good?23:07
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SiceloSujith: if u decide to flash, please read the whole page careful before starting23:08
Sujithyes sicelo , i am going to try with Nokia PC suite23:09
Sujiththanks a lot for ur help..will let you know once i am done,,,or stuck somehwere23:09
Sicelocrysis: from what i can make out, problem is Multiboot more than Nitdroid itself23:09
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crysisso many ppl on and so little talk going on *sigh23:14
Sicelothey all volunteer their time crysis. no one is paid. please be patient23:15
Siceloby the way, what is the question u have?23:16
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crysisi not complaining, I just thought there would be more activity here, now theres no one to spy on :)23:20
crysisoh my q, is the nitdroid install on the sd card or do you have to partition you main memory23:21
NIN101there should be documents about that23:22
NIN101and yes, it can be installed to the sd card23:22
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crysisbut the multiboot utility in installed on maemo right?23:22
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NIN101more or less correct23:23
crysiscan it be installed like a normal app without nitdroid?23:23
NIN101well it is not a normal app, it actually is in the pre boot environment and tbh, I don't know so much about multiboot or nitroid.23:24
Siceloiirc multiboot can be installed alone23:24
Sicelowhat u want to do with it?23:25
NIN101yes it can.23:25
Sujithmy software update has been done23:25
Sujithand i am in the same version as u guys23:25
Sicelo\0/ Sujith23:26
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Sujithcan you suggest me some ways23:30
Sujithhow to keep the N900 run faster23:30
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Sujithcoz i find mine slower especially when i am connected to the mobile web23:31
Sicelothere was discussion earlier about speed-improving scripts. i haven't used any of them23:32
Siceloi'm happy with the speed of my N90023:33
Sujithooh i missed it :(23:33
* SpeedEvil wants a speed-improving script.23:33
derfI want an evil-improving script.23:33
Sujiththe thing is that i am little worried about that installing more  and more apps and themes and stuffs like that make the N900 go slower in performance23:33
RST38hderf: it is called EMACS23:34
luke-jrany sign of a replacement for N900 yet?23:35
jogaI got rid of all the useless stuff I could find...transition effects and swappolube have the most visible impact23:35
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derfRST38h: Okay, then I changed my mind. You can keep it.23:36
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SujithCan you suggest some really useful apps that should be must installed on N90023:41
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Sujithfor an example, Do you suggest a browser like opera or firefox in addition to the default one present in N90023:42
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crysisI have firefox installed but never really use it, the default is excelent23:44
Sujithoh thanks a lot crysis , since my device has been updated,,i am looking for the best apps23:46
derfThe default is just a variant of Firefox 3.5.23:47
TrewasSujith: the default browser is IMO superior the anything else available, but for example maep is a must have in addition to the nokia maps, also fbreader but then you need a ebook-reader or not23:47
jogaI +1 previous comments...23:47
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jogathe default browser is indeed very good23:47
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jogaSujith, just a tip, if you want a navigation app, modRana (in devel repos I think) is a pretty good one, maep is also handy23:48
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Sujiththanks a lot joga and Trewas23:53
Sujithi just installed Opera,,,23:53
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Sujithand will also need modRana often,,,i always forget routes23:54
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