| sevvv | why is a phone's gps incapable of doing this and instead reliant on a-gps? | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | car gps has the advantage of fix mount, no users waving it franticly around, no users blocking signal with hand and body :-) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | just a great big hulk of metal | 00:00 |
| sevvv | heh, i've taken my dash mount garmin gps hiking with me and it doesn't have an issue keeping a signal | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | sevvv, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix | 00:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | The a-gps page on wikipeia is also good. | 00:01 |
| sevvv | mgedmin: this article is awesome. | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (Or was, when I was editing it) | 00:01 |
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| villager | sevvv: possibly because the phone's antenna is not good enough to receive the satellite data reliably, I think | 00:02 |
| sevvv | could that be boosted? | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | especially when the datarate is so low it takes half a minute of good signal to receive ephemeris | 00:04 |
| sevvv | alright, so i should just be looking for the cheapest phone with gps instead of trying to compare specifications | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do you want a phone with GPS> | 00:05 |
| sevvv | SpeedEvil: I need to track 10 people running cross country across the US from coast to coast | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I suggest anvils. | 00:06 |
| sevvv | I need cheap phones with gps, the ability to connect it to a pc via usb/bluetooth/whatever, and exports to gpx, csv, kml, whatever. | 00:06 |
| sevvv | haha | 00:06 |
| nid0 | why not use an actual gps tracker designed for that purpose? | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | There are general GPS trackers | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | there are dedicated gps+gsm trackers iirc | 00:06 |
| sevvv | nid0: I can't find any that are cheap enough for my budget | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | See on wiki.openstreetmap.org | 00:07 |
| nid0 | first result on google for me is £85 | 00:07 |
| sevvv | ShadowJK: none of them will have cellular subscriptions | 00:07 |
| nid0 | thats a damn sight cheaper than most gps-equipped phones | 00:07 |
| sevvv | nid0: i'm looking in the 20-30 usd range, buying used phones. | 00:07 |
| sevvv | so there's lots and lots of gps tracking software out there, most of them java, that's great | 00:09 |
| sevvv | but i can't find hardware | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Ask over in #osm over on irc.oftc.net | 00:09 |
| sevvv | ok | 00:10 |
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| fusi | ahoy | 00:17 |
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| fusi | lcuk: andriod vs ios dev article | 00:18 |
| fusi | does andrios really not use an invalidat-rect system to redraw? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | fusi, IDK, I just glanced over the article and rted | 00:19 |
| * lcuk is not android user | 00:19 | |
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| GAN900 | Holy shit. | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | Just ran into an actually N900 user-user. | 00:27 |
| wmarone | you mean, a non-linux-geek? | 00:28 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 00:28 |
| wmarone | wow | 00:28 |
| GAN900 | i.e., a sucker. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Funky. | 00:28 |
| GAN900 | From Nigeria, no less. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Did you attempt to grill them? | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm astonished that the n900 user study is still running. | 00:29 |
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| ShadowJK | I saw something weird in repos the other day | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I've sacrificed privacy for $5/mo in payments. | 00:31 |
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| ShadowJK | something with "Nokia" in the name and dependency on openjdk | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | is anybody joining chaos camp? | 00:37 |
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| Zucca | Ihad swappiness set to 100... Is this really a default value? | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:43 |
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| ShadowJK | What's chaos camp? | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It's some sort of crazed orgy in Germany I think. | 00:46 |
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| GAN900 | Burning Man for Germans? | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kinda | 01:03 |
| cehteh | haha | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Main_Page | 01:04 |
| cehteh | only computer geeks there | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or rather: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Project_Flow_Control | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltr7zrJi3o | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the CCC's each year between xmas and new year are a true parallel universe - I hope this to be even better | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hackers' loveparade ;-) | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: if it was only for Germans, probably there wouldn't be a majority of talks in English | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know what you mean, I just wonder why you're not there :-) | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | Besides, don't dialects often make German language conversation from region-to-region chancey business? | 01:27 |
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| GAN900 | No money for airplanes? | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: our dialects are no worse than yours | 01:27 |
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| lardman | yes, very hard to understand those Americans ;) | 01:29 |
| lardman | all the missing u's | 01:29 |
| lardman | how's everyone this evening? | 01:30 |
| lardman | all those not in London that is | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | having fun in London? | 01:40 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, well at least our Northerners and Southerners can understand one another. :P | 01:42 |
| lardman | GAN900: after that little war you had a few years back? ;) | 01:43 |
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| lardman | how's things GAN900? Long time no see | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | the % of population we don't understand here is no larger than on your side of the pond | 01:43 |
| * lardman is watching BBC News 24 and London riots seem to be pretty nasty and widespread | 01:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got some really angry kids over there | 01:45 |
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| lardman | yeah, pretty random, who'd have thought this would happen | 01:45 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, that's not what the tourists say. | 01:46 |
| maybeHere | remember kids: it's only fun when it's other people's cars that are burning x_x | 01:46 |
| lardman | II doubt many of them are old enough to drive | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/angry/idiot/ | 01:48 |
| lardman | +1 | 01:48 |
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| ThreeM | hildon desktop with portraitmode looks pretty nice :) but the widgets need ajustments in size :) | 01:53 |
| lardman | infobot: ah, you greet Doc, but don't answer my friendly greeting in #harmattan, I could take offence | 01:53 |
| maybeHere | http://i54.tinypic.com/2055fz5.jpg x_x | 01:53 |
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| lardman | anyone know whether one can have conditionals within a "section" of a debian/rules file? | 02:08 |
| lardman | e.g. I'd like to execute dh_installinit within the ibinary-arch: section f we're under Fremantle, but not Harmattan | 02:08 |
| lardman | s/ibinary-arch/binary-arch | 02:10 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: long time no see! | 02:26 |
| DangerMaus | yeah | 02:26 |
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| Termana | good morning | 05:51 |
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| fusi | just got a random tweet | 06:06 |
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| fusi | http://store.ovi.com/content/121065 | 06:06 |
| fusi | looksnice | 06:06 |
| dunelj_ | hmm, now I more focus on media play, svg-edit, boot debian 5 with touch support, and games. | 06:08 |
| dunelj_ | None of those humble indie bundle game ported to N900, they even got PSP port :S | 06:09 |
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| dunelj_ | N9 sale in one month. Maybe in 2 weeks. | 07:27 |
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| antman8969 | I know poeple were complaining about where it was being released | 07:37 |
| antman8969 | is there any reason I can just buy it form EU and ship it to US and use it? | 07:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone here tether via PAN? For me it works every now and then but 9 out of 10 times I try to connect, my laptop can't get an IP address via dhcp; it times out. once it has an ip, it works very well. I tried two different scripts from tmo. | 08:44 |
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| aslani | X-Fade: ping | 09:46 |
| aslani | I got a message from logica, that they have some issues with datacenter, so maemo.org is down for awhile, sorry | 09:47 |
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| aslani | ok, they got it up. somehow managed to bork their disks again. :) | 09:54 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/09/qnx_blackberry/ <-- hmm | 12:52 |
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| jiero | what if apple acquire Nokia/？ | 12:54 |
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| andre__ | jiero: and what if $foo buys $bar? | 12:59 |
| dm8tbr | foo and baz come into a bar, baz buys foo a drink... | 13:00 |
| jiero | andre__: no worry | 13:00 |
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| crashanddie | Verizon. Know anyone who works there? | 15:06 |
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| peterbjornx | hello | 15:12 |
| peterbjornx | does anyone here know where in the boot process X is launched | 15:13 |
| peterbjornx | (on the N900) | 15:13 |
| peterbjornx | i cannot find it and i have browsed every init script | 15:14 |
| peterbjornx | of runlevel 2 | 15:14 |
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| peterbjornx | as all of a sudden, in S22-af-services it checks if X is running yet | 15:15 |
| peterbjornx | while i havent found any code that executes Xorg | 15:15 |
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| Sicelo | i'm a layman peterbjornx. perhaps try to find hildon* in the scripts you mention :/ | 15:22 |
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| RST38h | Somebody ban the idiot | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, which one? | 15:24 |
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| peterbjornx | mayday_jay obv | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | why? What did he do? | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | oh | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:27 |
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| peterbjornx | -> mayday_jay is maemo binnengekomen | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | <- mayday_jay is niet meer verbonden (Excess Flood) | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | -> mayday_jay is maemo binnengekomen | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | <- mayday_jay is niet meer verbonden (Excess Flood) | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | -> mayday_jay is maemo binnengekomen | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | <- mayday_jay is niet meer verbonden (Excess Flood) | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | o, well nevermind | 15:29 |
| peterbjornx | you noticed already | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | wow, IRC in dutch is still as crappy as it used to ;) | 15:29 |
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| peterbjornx | yeah it is | 15:33 |
| peterbjornx | im using opera | 15:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: fun in London lately? | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | nothing of last few days can be described as fun | 15:34 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: ok, I have skipped the quotation marks | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, joining in the "Clean Riot" thingie? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | everybody should | 15:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: any expected consequences though? random strip searches? rectal CCTV installations? | 15:36 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, some people's lives got ruined. | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | crash: that I have figured out from the videos | 15:45 |
| RST38h | crash: the extent of the mayhem is not clear though, when watching it from afar | 15:46 |
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| peterbjornx | does anyone here know where in the boot process X is launched | 15:48 |
| RST38h | xinit that starts from rc.d? | 15:48 |
| peterbjornx | what rc.d file | 15:50 |
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| peterbjornx | i was viewing each script up to S22af-services which checks if X is running | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, a few streets have been wrecked | 15:52 |
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| peterbjornx | but , where is X/startx/xinit being started | 15:53 |
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| GAN900 | Oh, rioters. | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | btw NOK fell below $5 | 16:08 |
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| kerio | good job Flop | 16:11 |
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| GAN900 | Woot | 16:13 |
| Termana | RST38h, half the market probably fell below $5 | 16:13 |
| Termana | :P | 16:13 |
| nid0 | clearly a canadian ceo of a finnish company's solely responsible for the collapse of the entire american stock market | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Termana: Intel is holding, surprisingly | 16:14 |
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| GAN900 | Hooray for idiots in Washington. | 16:21 |
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| GAN900 | If anybody needs to be rioting it's the US. | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Won't happen, not right away anyway | 16:24 |
| RST38h | When it does, you will not like it, too | 16:24 |
| lardman | these guys aren't rioting because of austerity measures | 16:25 |
| RST38h | Nobody is saying austerity measures are to blame | 16:25 |
| lardman | and anyway you guys in the US have happily been spending your bonds to avoid too much pain thus far | 16:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: just wait =( | 16:26 |
| lardman | RST38h: indeed | 16:26 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hey, I didn't vote for them. | 16:26 |
| lardman | GAN900: no worries, just the view of an outsider | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | lardman: this shit usually happens when you have got abundance of young males who do not have much to do and [most importantly] do not expect to have anything to do or make any change to anything | 16:27 |
| RST38h | lardman; So, they make change the only way they know | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | When the bribe money for your constituents runs out the taxpayer isn't responsible for footing a bigger bill. | 16:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, seems to be a small part of a generation who have no hopes | 16:27 |
| Termana | RST38h, are you talking about the riots or the US economy now? | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | Cut the entitlements, cut the military spending, cut the subsidies. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: whether it happens in UK or fucking Kyrgyzstan or Palestine is of no importance | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | Cut the drug war, cut the TSA, privatize the FAA. | 16:28 |
| lardman | GAN900: I don't know the specifics over here, but seems similar to the plans that are being implemented here | 16:28 |
| lardman | s/over here/over there | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Ah, General, you will absolutely *love* Dan Simmons' "Flashback" | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | lardman, the White House is pushing for socialism | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | and the Senate is pushing for bribes for their voters. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Sorry, but this is no socialism | 16:29 |
| radiofree | GAN900: oh let me guess, another I.T Libertarian? | 16:29 |
| * RST38h sometimes wishes Obama pushed for *real* socialism. That would be fun. | 16:29 | |
| lardman | Obama is what a democrat? | 16:29 |
| Termana | lardman, yes | 16:30 |
| lardman | and democrats are more left wing than republicans? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Starting with tough price controls on medical services and enfing with nationalizing largest banks. | 16:30 |
| radiofree | democrats are to the left of republicans | 16:30 |
| Termana | I am forced to stab my eyes every night watching Fox News because there is no interest Australian shows | 16:30 |
| radiofree | but compared to european parties, they are farther to the right than most conservative parties! | 16:30 |
| lardman | radiofree: ok, that was my assumption from the default business | 16:30 |
| Termana | But at least I get some laughs | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Termana: Surely there should be a BBC channel somewhere? Or are you at a US military base? | 16:31 |
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| lardman | radiofree: yeah, that's a difficult thing to get a handle on | 16:31 |
| lardman | for us over here anyway | 16:31 |
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| Termana | RST38h, in Australia. I have pay-tv, but it's mostly repeats and crap. I have BBC I think, and CNN. And then all the other channels they chuck on | 16:31 |
| radiofree | it's like health care, how can that not be something worth having? Republicans just shout the word "SOCIALISM!!" and most people revert back to the cold war | 16:31 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, too socialist for my blood. | 16:31 |
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| radiofree | ^ see | 16:32 |
| Termana | and Sky News | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | radiofree, that's a vast simplification of the issue. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | GAN: Look at it logically then | 16:32 |
| Termana | but they all seem boring. Even though I disagree with a lot of what is said on Fox News | 16:32 |
| RST38h | GAN: This is no fucking socialism. Not really. | 16:32 |
| lardman | radiofree: healthcare is certainly worth having but it has to be done efficiently | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I'm for demand based healthcare. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | GAN: Just a relatively approval worthy attempt to give you afforable health care, a failed attempt too | 16:33 |
| lardman | which is an issue we have here | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | Keep the idiocy out. | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | Keep prices down. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | GAN: Having a federal health care plan would do that | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, Obamacare is unworkable. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | GAN: Dunno, did not get into details | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | No, look at Medicare and Medicade to see how well the Feds can work it. | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | They can't. | 16:34 |
| lardman | From what I saw the problem with free healthcare in the US is that is annoys the people who pay their taxes and have provate healthcare that they will pay for those who don't have health insurance | 16:34 |
| radiofree | that's why they need to fix it | 16:34 |
| RST38h | GAN: But having a federally managed insurance plan does not sound like such bad idea to me | 16:34 |
| RST38h | lardman: Ah no | 16:34 |
| radiofree | yes, what is the quote about the american poor/working class | 16:34 |
| RST38h | lardman: The problem is not with annoying stupid people | 16:34 |
| radiofree | they don't see themselves as poor, rather temporarily embarrassed millionaires | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | But as radiofree has so aptly demonstrated, you can't argue with feel-good emotions. | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | Then you're just an evil rich white person. | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | lardman: The problem is with the whole hc insurance industry that will see its business model disappear | 16:34 |
| lardman | and they (and other large industrial bodies) hold serious sway afair over there | 16:35 |
| RST38h | lardman: there are huge non-profits there, making huge margins, paying no taxes, enriching whoever is managing them | 16:35 |
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| lardman | which is due to what, the way that senatorial campaigns are funded? | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | lardman, them, and unions | 16:36 |
| RST38h | lardman: more or less | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | any group who holds sway over money and voters holds sway over elected officials. | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | basically, GAN is correct | 16:36 |
| lardman | is this all transparent or hidden - i.e. do you have lists of donations made to each senator and from whom? | 16:36 |
| lardman | and for how much | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | Stick the money going towards health insurance into individual savings accounts | 16:36 |
| RST38h | lardman: yes and no | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | and switch to a demand-based system | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Competition goes up, prices go down, quality goes up. | 16:37 |
| lardman | GAN900: what's a demand based system? | 16:37 |
| RST38h | GAN: Nah, that will also fail | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | lardman, pay when you need it. | 16:37 |
| radiofree | what exactly is a demand-based system? | 16:37 |
| radiofree | if you can't afford to pay you can't be treated? | 16:37 |
| RST38h | GAN: It will fail as the hc prices inflate and your account won't be able to keep up | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Like buying groceries. | 16:37 |
| lardman | GAN900: won't that be very expensive? | 16:37 |
| ruskie | the gov here(.si) scrapped the partial participation through health insurance simply because most of the money going to the insurance companies doesn't end up in the hc budget | 16:37 |
| RST38h | GAN: So, at least as far as hc is concerned, some price controls are needed. Or an artifical alternative like afederal hc plan. | 16:38 |
| lardman | ruskie: yeah that seems to be a major problem with adding an extra layer | 16:38 |
| radiofree | ok, so you think that will drive down the common prices, what if someone gets a rare type of cancer that requires specialist treatment? | 16:38 |
| ruskie | I'm happy we have national health care around here though | 16:38 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hardly. | 16:38 |
| GAN900 | Doctors and hospitals will actually have to compete for your business | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Well they still do right now | 16:38 |
| GAN900 | instead of competing to get on insurance providers lists. | 16:39 |
| radiofree | GAN900: why do you trust in the benevolence of "the markets" so much? | 16:39 |
| GAN900 | Ultimately it'll drive prices down | 16:39 |
| radiofree | haven't they already shown themselves to be pretty much the opposite? | 16:39 |
| lardman | GAN900: my business by proxy though, as people won't be able to afford it themselves | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Really? You think so? | 16:39 |
| GAN900 | radiofree, that statement is so fundamentally flawed. . . . | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Why? | 16:39 |
| RST38h | GAN: You do understand that it is in the best interest of all market players to keep prices up? | 16:39 |
| GAN900 | The two biggest components to health costs right now are overconsumption and insurance overhead. | 16:40 |
| * lardman is enjoying this conversation, but must crack on with some coding | 16:40 | |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it's not. | 16:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: And the only way the prices can go down is in the result of a price war, event completely unwanted by all the players? | 16:40 |
| GAN900 | Somebody will figure out they can get more customers if they charge reasonable prices. | 16:40 |
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| radiofree | over-consumption, of health care? is that a joke? | 16:40 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, you're talking about a monopoly or duopoly situation. | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | GAN: oligopoly rather | 16:40 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 16:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: But anyway, you are forgetting that these guys need to maximize profit, not throughput | 16:41 |
| RST38h | GAN: And maximizing throughput is only one of many ways to maximize profit. | 16:41 |
| RST38h | GAN: Not very effective or safe one BTW | 16:41 |
| GAN900 | radiofree, I'm talking about testing without justification from symptoms or other indicators. | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | radiofree: no. Procedures carried out for the purpose of carrying them out, with limited evidence they help patients. | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | Like running cat scans on anybody coming in with any kind of trauma. | 16:42 |
| RST38h | GAN: Do consider other ways and then you may get really scared | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | radiofree: Not to mention the elderly hanging on for another couple of weeks. | 16:42 |
| RST38h | GAN: I mean all these are ok with groceries where demand is elastic | 16:42 |
| RST38h | GAN: But hc is no groceries, it has got pretty stiff deman curve | 16:43 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Same goes for most of the utilities BTW | 16:43 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I feel that I'm more qualified to make healthcare decisions for myself than Washington is | 16:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: But Washington has never intended to make any hc decisions for you, just give you an option | 16:48 |
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| GAN900 | and I'd rather see private charities, who actually have money and incentive to help people, provide for those who can't than Washington. | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, bullshit. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | GAN: No, really - the plan was to have an optional federal hc plan you can enroll in, OR you can enroll into a private plan of your choice | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | Making it illegal not to have health insurance isn't not "choice". | 16:49 |
| RST38h | GAN: Which changes nothing to the current private hc plan customers BUT drops private hc prices through the floor | 16:50 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ah you mean that one | 16:50 |
| RST38h | GAN: Yes, I found that part funny too :) | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | and it DOES change private plans. | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | Invoking the commerce clause on a non-action is particularly revealing. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | GAN: It is pretty much just a way to tax you a little extra. BTW, MA has it in their laws | 16:50 |
| RST38h | And they DO have a state hc plan | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Costs something like $86/year in taxes, I think | 16:51 |
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| GAN900 | States have that power under the constitution | 16:51 |
| RST38h | I have not heard anybody complain about the MA plan. | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | The Federal government does not. | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | I mean, they do complain about taxes all the time but not about this particular item | 16:52 |
| GAN900 | I have. | 16:52 |
| GAN900 | Quite vocally. | 16:52 |
| GAN900 | Either way, individual states should do whatever their voters feel is appropriate. | 16:52 |
| lardman | briefly stepping back on topic, what does a preceding pair of colons mean, with no class? E.g. ::socketpair() | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | enough of the crappy states discussions. | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | Who cares about the US of A | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Dunno, I also agree that forcing everyone to have a plan federally is stupid | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | The federal government doesn't quite have that freedom of action under the constitution | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Especially if you do not provide an affordable option for this plan | 16:53 |
| RST38h | lardman: default namespace | 16:53 |
| RST38h | lardman: in your case, probably std:: | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, people who live here. But lardman has a real question so it'd time to stfu. | 16:54 |
| lardman | RST38h: I guessed as much, unfortunately they don't belong to std but are in signal.h | 16:54 |
| RST38h | lardman: I think that belongs to std:: somehow :) | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman, I think it's global scope, not default namespace. | 16:55 |
| lardman | yeah, perhaps I need to include <signal> rather than signal.h or somesuch | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, probably the Chinese, Japanese, South Koreans and Germans, too. :P | 16:55 |
| RST38h | crash is probably right | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, do you know anyone who works at Verizon Miami? | 16:56 |
| lardman | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/unix-signals.html is what I'm following, perhaps foolishly ;) | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b451xz31(VS.80).aspx | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | global variable/function. | 16:57 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, Miami is, like, 250 miles away by car. | 16:58 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900, glad you're offering to go there yourself. $200 daily rate working for you? | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | crash: Will he get a gun for this job? | 16:59 |
| crashanddie | He might get a gun pointed at him. | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | crash: Verizon is *that* tough? | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | In all seriousness, one of our customers contracted Verizon to provide VoIP lines between EU and US (about 900 of them), and they're not answering to emails and we can't get a hold of anyone remotely technical. | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | We explain we're a telco operator, and they're asking if we're calling for an iPoone or whatever. | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | In this case, I'd say we're getting iPwned. | 17:01 |
| RST38h | crash: A moment. | 17:02 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, got one. :P | 17:02 |
| RST38h | there might be an easier way to get this solved | 17:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ah, then it will be the ultimate deathmatch: a disgruntled customer vs the phone company operator!!! | 17:02 |
| RST38h | crash: Try one of these: http://gethuman.com/Verizon-customer-service_1305.html | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, Verizon is pretty terrible. | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, I know. | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Don't they have dedicated 'we're spending silly amounts of money' lines? | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | We get more responsiveness out of BT on christmas night than from Verizon during business hours. | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Speed: no | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil, there are, but they are restricted from US callers. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | Hell, I am getting almost instance response from MGTS | 17:05 |
| RST38h | While with Verizon it is always 45+ minutes of voice menus and human-manned voice menus | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, you do realise I'm the product manager of one of the servers that powers those menus, right ;) | 17:06 |
| RST38h | crash: Well, you are not buying them to torture your customers, are you? | 17:06 |
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| crashanddie | Buying? I'm developing it. | 17:06 |
| Termana | Bastard. Explains everything | 17:07 |
| RST38h | crash: BTW, please, tell me, those Indians, do you keep them in dungeons, feeding them at the endo f the day based on the number of customers they sent away cussing? | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | Heck, the last side-project I worked on was a maze of menus and "Wait, don't hang up, we've got something special for you!" at 1.5euro per minute. | 17:07 |
| villager | RST38h: "std::" is not the default namespace, it's the namespace used by the Standard C++ Library... normally you'd use "using namespace std;" at the top of the program to make the "std" namespace searched automatically when a namespace isn't explicitly specified | 17:08 |
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| * RST38h reconsiders his plans not to mention crashanddie to the Tentacled One | 17:08 | |
| RST38h | villager: sorry, my mistake. | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, then again, it's a charlatan service (palm reading/future), so us making money out of people's credulity only feels like natural selection. | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | Or at least, that's how I help myself sleep at night. | 17:09 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Ok, no extermination then, just a life-long case of hemorrhoids. | 17:10 |
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| vi__ | hello | 17:11 |
| vi__ | is there a nice easy way to turn on the flash to use as a torch | 17:11 |
| vi__ | ? | 17:11 |
| RST38h | vi: yes | 17:11 |
| RST38h | vi: the Extras has got the Flashlight app. | 17:11 |
| vi__ | i.e. echo 1 > /sys/somthing/somthing/flash/enable | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: no | 17:12 |
| vi__ | bah | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: It's a v4l control. | 17:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you need to open /dev/vide0? and then do the rleevant ioctl | 17:12 |
| vi__ | is flashlight applet the only thing available? | 17:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have use v4lctl to turn it on | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | But it goes off immediately, and only flashes | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | As v4lctl closes the FD | 17:13 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: is it acheivable from a shell script? | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: I'm going to say probably not. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | At least, not withanything I've seen. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: Why? | 17:13 |
| vi__ | because I want to have the option of a flashlight without the stupid applet that cause >200 wakeups per 30s | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | vi__: Err - why? | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Wakeups are - generally - a lie. | 17:14 |
| BCMM | uh, you want to save battery while using the flash? | 17:14 |
| vi__ | speedevil now that is not strictly true | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | They are a very, very poor indication of power consumption in any but the idle state. | 17:15 |
| BCMM | in any case, not a shell script, but could be done in a very short C program | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Even then, they are not great. | 17:15 |
| vi__ | NO! I want to save battery when I am NOT using the flash! | 17:15 |
| villager | a python script might also be able to do it, maybe | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: Somethings wrong the. | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: I get no extra wakeups from the flashlight applet | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Typical idle times of several seconds. | 17:15 |
| vi__ | mm | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Youare unplugging it andblanking the screen before running powertop? | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally turning the net off, and doing this through screen? | 17:16 |
| vi__ | to run powertop I : | 17:16 |
| vi__ | sleep 30; powertop && powertop && powertop | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | See above | 17:17 |
| vi__ | then average the results | 17:17 |
| vi__ | in offline mode | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | With screen blanked? | 17:17 |
| vi__ | ofc | 17:17 |
| vi__ | thats what the 30 seconds is for | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | And unplugged from USB? | 17:17 |
| vi__ | yes | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | HAve you been screwing withthemenus? | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | And got a nice short menu screen? | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | err appmenu | 17:18 |
| vi__ | appmenu? | 17:18 |
| vi__ | The appmenu is as is, I hav'nt added/removed anything | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Pastebin plz | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | (powertop) | 17:19 |
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| markinfo | can I setup my Facebook Account in this internal Chat system on nokia n900? Is it safe enough? | 17:21 |
| vi__ | markinfo: as safe as any other software written by basement dwelling nerds | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | The flashlight widget didn't increase the amount of wakeups for me | 17:22 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: facebook chat can be accessed as a ordinary Jabber account | 17:26 |
| BCMM | not sure what you mean about "safe enough" | 17:26 |
| markinfo | Would be better to setup Facebook in Pidgin? as in this internal program? (besides - what is the name of it?) | 17:27 |
| markinfo | empathy? | 17:27 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: depends if you prefer pidgin to the Conversations app | 17:28 |
| * ShadowJK checked source, flashlight-plugin has a 1s timer running whenever flashlight is on (LEDs on), checking the status of hte led controller | 17:28 | |
| BCMM | markinfo: (the conversations app is the same one you use for SMS - it can send IMs in a similar interface) | 17:28 |
| markinfo | hm - advantage of pidgin - i know where are the contacts stored. | 17:29 |
| markinfo | what is the name this app for chats? (SMS too) | 17:29 |
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| Sicelo | Conversations | 17:30 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: the application is called "Conversations". when you said "empathy", you may have been thinking of "telepathy" | 17:31 |
| markinfo | Telepathy - it is in Gnome | 17:31 |
| BCMM | telepathy is the (non-maemo-specific) framework used for IM | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | Man man man, 2011 really isn't a good year for Sony. Now their warehouses are set ablaze. | 17:32 |
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| markinfo | well - facebook account to do in Conversations or in Pidgin? | 17:32 |
| BCMM | markinfo: i use facebook chat in conversations and it works fine | 17:32 |
| BCMM | it's just a regular Jabber account. You may need to enable it on teh facebook website, for existing facebook accounts at least | 17:33 |
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| markinfo | I had it in Pidgin on my notebook. But another more important Question. If I want backup contacts data from this Program "Conversations" - how to do that? | 17:40 |
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| peterbjornx | is it possible to compile BTRFS support into maemo's kernel | 18:01 |
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| crashanddie | peterbjornx, I doubt it. | 18:07 |
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| kerio | peterbjornx: you don't really need it, do you | 18:15 |
| kerio | unless you want your root FS to be on btrfs | 18:15 |
| kerio | well, /usr/ too | 18:15 |
| kerio | because ~optification | 18:15 |
| kerio | ~optification | 18:15 |
| infobot | well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 18:15 |
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| crashanddie | haha | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | the N9 won't be available in the US | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Similar response to TheInq about teh UK | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 18:20 |
| Arkenoi | seems that Elop is really worried about n9 success | 18:20 |
| Arkenoi | in the negative sense of course | 18:20 |
| Arkenoi | he cannot afford that | 18:20 |
| wblaze | On top of the N9 coming in variants that run "meego" and "mango"? :| | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | mango? | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | wtf is mango? | 18:21 |
| wblaze | "Windows 7 Mango" | 18:21 |
| wblaze | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/228521/windows_phone_7_mango_first_look_at_the_hot_new_features.html | 18:21 |
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| radiofree | heh, "We had enough of troubles with Windows on our computers. Let's keep our phones Windows free!" | 18:22 |
| Itschue | yes | 18:22 |
| Itschue | moin moin | 18:22 |
| wblaze | I wouldn't mind a Windows phone assuming it worked for what I needed. | 18:22 |
| kerio | MANGO! MANGO! YEAH! | 18:23 |
| wblaze | On top of that, the UIs were developed to be the same for the WP7 and Meego variants. | 18:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have one windows device I'm happy with. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 'just works' | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | could you post the charge.sh URL for wget c+p plese | 18:37 |
| peterbjornx | is there anyone here who knows from what script xinit/startx/Xorg gets executed | 18:40 |
| peterbjornx | couldnt find it in rc2.d and rcS | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | peterbjornx: Look in /etc/rc.d/x.post or something | 18:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | /etc/X11/Xsession.post ? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: need charge script! buried alive under luggage in a car, wih N900 on generic charger | 18:42 |
| peterbjornx | thats called by the X initialization script | 18:42 |
| peterbjornx | i need to know what calls that | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | /etc/event.d/xomap? | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | That seems to be called from the sgx driver init in the same dir | 18:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - which is brought up by hal | 18:46 |
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| slonopotamus | ain't hal dead? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: could you link me to shadowjks chargescript? | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't have a copy around, and don't remember where I got it. | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one that oesn't really work well - I need to reboot after or BME sulks | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | enivax? | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I need 100+ mA for the next 5h | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | seems to have turned up in my awesomebar | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thnx | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Which looks right | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -21 | 18:51 |
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| Itschue | doc | 18:56 |
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| edheldil | SpeedEvil: what does it do? Persuades n900 to charge with fewer amps? | 19:04 |
| peterbjornx | back, isnt that bad practice, starting anything outside of init during boot? | 19:08 |
| kerio | lol bad practice | 19:09 |
| kerio | ~optification | 19:09 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yoh. NAC rising, thanks | 19:10 |
| peterbjornx | why isnt it possible to create a different partition mapping where /usr AND /opt reside on the eMCC | 19:11 |
| peterbjornx | *eMMC | 19:11 |
| lardman | anyone know how to compare arbitrary QVariants to see if their contents are identical? | 19:11 |
| lardman | I could do a to*() operation, but some of those will only convert certain payload types | 19:12 |
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| villager | peterbjornx: supposedly some stuff needed during boot is in /usr | 19:13 |
| villager | peterbjornx: i.e., the "systeminit is FUBAR" part | 19:13 |
| peterbjornx | ok, more bad design, but shouldnt it be possible to mount the eMMC before it loads init, like multiboot can do? | 19:13 |
| villager | not with the standard kernel I think | 19:15 |
| kerio | peterbjornx: the mr hands video needs sound | 19:15 |
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| villager | maybe the powerkernel could be made to do it | 19:15 |
| kerio | yay for pulseaudio in the early stages of the boot | 19:15 |
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| peterbjornx | multiboot is able to boot from sd cards and emmc with standard kernel isnt it | 19:16 |
| peterbjornx | anhy | 19:16 |
| villager | peterbjornx: well that's different, that's still booting with a single rootfs | 19:17 |
| peterbjornx | *anyhow i use a custom kernel with framebuffer console for debugging so if i try to do this ( i know its risky) i can see what goes wrong | 19:17 |
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| peterbjornx | yes but afaik mount and the FS modules dont use /usr | 19:18 |
| villager | peterbjornx: and neither does init... under FHS, init starts the boot scripts, which then mounts /usr... it is not mounted before init... you were talking about mounting it before init | 19:19 |
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| peterbjornx | i know, that way any component reliant on /usr would have it mounted | 19:21 |
| peterbjornx | what i mean is creating a preinit script that loads the necessary modules and mounts /usr , and then starts init | 19:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | edheldil: more amps, under some circumstances. | 19:22 |
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| villager | that would have to be an initrd... which, as mentioned, could probably be put into the powerkernel | 19:23 |
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| peterbjornx | no it wont have to be, as (afaik) the busybox utils and the kernel dont require /usr | 19:24 |
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| villager | while the bootscripts started by init do... | 19:27 |
| villager | I'm sure more people would have repartitioned it like that if it was easy | 19:28 |
| peterbjornx | as a test ill try to mount /home before init even gets executed | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good luck | 19:30 |
| peterbjornx | as the very same script already mounts /sys , /proc, /tmp and sets up /dev | 19:31 |
| peterbjornx | so loading ext2 module and mounting /home shouldnt be very hard | 19:32 |
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| villager | that's started by init, isn't it? | 19:34 |
| peterbjornx | no | 19:34 |
| peterbjornx | it isnt | 19:34 |
| peterbjornx | it starts init | 19:35 |
| peterbjornx | btw why is there nothing on this in the wiki: vanilla preinit allows root device choosing from serial console | 19:35 |
| peterbjornx | its the script that shows the R&D info on the NOKIA screen | 19:36 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 20:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, what happened to infobot? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why? | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | rebooted 23m ago | 20:30 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer51) | 20:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | aah. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~+uptime | 20:30 |
| infobot | - Uptime for infobot - | 20:30 |
| infobot | Now: 24m 7s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 20:30 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 20:30 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 20:30 |
| infobot | 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 | 20:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | since it didn't respond to my ping, I thought I was disconnected | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | administrating an ircbot via N900 while buried under lugage in a car on its way to chaos champ, damn I feel like a freak | 20:32 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, could be worse. | 20:34 |
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| lofty306 | :)) | 20:34 |
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| jacekowski | 19:36:00 up 105 days, 3:47, 8 users, load average: 0.15, 0.22, 0.23 | 20:36 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/09/ps3_controller_gets_android_support/ <-- hmm | 21:06 |
| Itschue | DocScrutinizer51 | 21:07 |
| Itschue | can somebody help me | 21:08 |
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| Itschue | hello anyone here ? | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no I'm traveling | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Vockerode | 21:33 |
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| Itschue | i have no zoomfunction in angrybirds season i installed a angrybirds-mido.fayad.sh keymap file but i didnt work can anyone help me | 21:37 |
| mihu | Hi. I want to add a new key using "about: config" in the browser on my N900, but I don't know how. I can use the search bar at the top to locate existing keys, but how do I add a new key? Any idea? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I seem to recall that doesnt work | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, how long is the damn car ride? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some 6h | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 2..3 left | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, damn, long drive. | 21:45 |
| Itschue | can anyone help me | 21:45 |
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| mihu | Hm, ok, what I really want is to fake my user agent, because some of my favourite sites recognize me now as a mobile user and present their stupid mobile layout to me. Any hints how to fake the user agent? | 21:47 |
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| NIN101 | about:config :P or download some plugin... | 21:51 |
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| Itschue | nobody here? | 21:58 |
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| mihu | NIN101: As I already said, I cannot add a new string to "about: config", this sucks. And I found "HideUserAgent 0.3.7", but it has a package karma of -6 and is in extras-testing only. | 22:00 |
| NIN101 | well I just found out how to do it | 22:02 |
| NIN101 | I mean, editing in about:config | 22:02 |
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| NIN101 | with the stylus, tap long enough on an entry... | 22:03 |
| NIN101 | doesn't seam to be easy. | 22:06 |
| NIN101 | oh, it is also possible with the return key on the keyboard. | 22:07 |
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| mihu | NIN101: Ah, ok, cool, works for me now as well. Now I tried to change "general.useragent.vendor" do something else. How do I save these settings? If I just close the browser window and start "about: config" again, then the old value is back again. | 22:09 |
| NIN101 | hmm, you are right | 22:10 |
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| mihu | NIN101: I'm currently browsing talk.maemo.org and this issue has come up over and over again. Some say that the problem is that some background processes keep MicroB running and erasing the change. | 22:16 |
| NIN101 | I think it's "browserd" | 22:16 |
| villager | mihu: I suppose you could try to always leave at least one browser window open to keep the browser process from shutting down | 22:16 |
| villager | works for me | 22:16 |
| NIN101 | heh don't kill browserd | 22:17 |
| villager | if it shuts down, then I guess it loads default settings when it restarts | 22:17 |
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| villager | hmm... wonder where those default settings are loaded from... | 22:18 |
| NIN101 | .mozilla/microb/prefs.js | 22:18 |
| NIN101 | or something | 22:19 |
| mihu | NIN101: That's true. I tried to manually change these as well, but they are overwritten as well. And I did not find a way to stop the browser from relaunching. There is an init script /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon.init but a "stop" there does not work. Heck, I'm familiar administrating my system on the command line, but my N900 just won't let me. | 22:20 |
| Itschue | http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=73315 is this realy a good thing? | 22:20 |
| NIN101 | there is a way, I'm sure. | 22:20 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, let us know if you see pupnik there. | 22:22 |
| NIN101 | mihu: hmm, not true. Just changed the file and rebootet. Before starting the browser, my string was there, after that, they have been overwritten again. | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno how he looks | 22:23 |
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| NIN101 | mihu: /usr/lib/microb-engine/defaults/pref | 22:26 |
| NIN101 | looks interesting | 22:26 |
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| NIN101 | brb | 22:30 |
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| mihu | NIN101: You made my day. Thank you very much. I just added "pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110628 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.18");" to the end of the file, did a "killall -9 browser browserd" and loaded the page again. I checked with http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and it shows the correct string and now I'm not redirected to the mobile version of the site any more | 22:35 |
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| NIN101 | mihu: yw | 22:40 |
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| Dantonic | question... what kernel does the cssu maemo5 include? I've been trying to use mobile hotspot, and I guess I need the power kernel, but I don't want it to break anything in regards to the current cssu maemo 5 I have installed | 23:18 |
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| cehteh | cssu doesnt come with kernel | 23:18 |
| vi__ | is there a dbus call to set the operator name | 23:19 |
| vi__ | I mean | 23:19 |
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| GAN900 | http://www.humblebundle.com/ | 23:19 |
| vi__ | where can I find the dbus call to set the operator name? | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | Ending in about two hours. | 23:19 |
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| Dantonic | cetheh so, if I install power kernel would it screw anything up? | 23:21 |
| Dantonic | also, I'm able to overclock, I thought u had to have a special kernel to be able to do that... | 23:22 |
| cehteh | nope | 23:22 |
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| cehteh | you can use cssu with power kernel | 23:22 |
| cehteh | and power kernel allows you to fry your device too | 23:22 |
| vi__ | Dantonic: open xterm and type: | 23:22 |
| vi__ | uname -r | 23:23 |
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| Dantonic | 2.6.28-omap1 | 23:23 |
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| vi__ | then you cannot overclock | 23:24 |
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| Dantonic | oh... strange, thought I had the power kernel... I recently installed nitdroid, I wonder if it installed a different kernel | 23:25 |
| Dantonic | would it mess up the dual boot if I change the kernel? | 23:26 |
| cehteh | see topic :P | 23:26 |
| vi__ | I dunno | 23:26 |
| vi__ | never bothered with that android pish | 23:26 |
| vi__ | you would need to install the multiboot package for the kernel you are installing | 23:26 |
| Dantonic | the only reason I installed is so I can watch justintv cause it needs flash 10 | 23:26 |
| vi__ | or something | 23:26 |
| vi__ | lol | 23:27 |
| vi__ | I don't even own a TV | 23:27 |
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| Dantonic | heh | 23:27 |
| vi__ | You could always open a topic asking for help on TMO | 23:28 |
| Dantonic | ok | 23:28 |
| vi__ | be warned though, read and do your research first | 23:28 |
| vi__ | or they'll rip you a new one | 23:29 |
| Dantonic | well what's the worst that could happen if I re install power kernel? I wouldn't be able to boot into nitdroid? | 23:29 |
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| vi__ | possibly yes | 23:29 |
| Dantonic | but maemo will be fine right? | 23:29 |
| vi__ | id imagine so | 23:29 |
| Dantonic | btw I dislike android too.... | 23:30 |
| Dantonic | :P | 23:30 |
| Dantonic | benn messing with it for a few days now... | 23:30 |
| vi__ | even if you fuck it up, you can always re-flash maemo kernel | 23:30 |
| vi__ | to fix everything | 23:30 |
| Dantonic | yeah | 23:30 |
| vi__ | android blows | 23:30 |
| vi__ | the sooner ppl realise this the better | 23:30 |
| Dantonic | I feel like I have no cpontrol over the os | 23:30 |
| vi__ | lols | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | u can't close apps? | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | wtf | 23:31 |
| vi__ | just 'background' them, it is the same thing | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | I read on the internet: oh android does it for you, just don't worry about it... | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | I'm like huh? | 23:31 |
| vi__ | well it does kinda | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | I wanna close the goddamn app | 23:31 |
| Dantonic | yeah idk | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | made me realize how good maemo is... I hadn't tried android before | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | but always thought it might be better | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | too bad we can't get flash | 23:32 |
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| vi__ | well, some dont really care for flash | 23:33 |
| Dantonic | yeah but I do | 23:33 |
| vi__ | android is a nice simple OS for nice simple people. | 23:33 |
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| Dantonic | yeah I sure see that | 23:33 |
| vi__ | like symbian but without balls | 23:33 |
| vi__ | brb | 23:35 |
| vi__ | dinner | 23:35 |
| vi__ | | | 23:35 |
| vi__ | ! | 23:35 |
| Dantonic | kk ty | 23:35 |
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