IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-08-02

vi__	how do i get larger pictures for shortcuts on the desktop?	00:00
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vi__	no volunteers?	00:03
fusi	theme customiser allows you to alter that iirc	00:05
fusi	dunno wher the setting is exactly though	00:05
vi__	but if I only want 1 or 2 larger shortcuts?	00:06
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fusi	not sure thats possible.. i may be wrong but i think the setting is system wide and not particular to individual icons	00:07
fusi	i may be wrong	00:07
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fusi	vi_: there is a widget i think in extras that allows you to specify a custom picture/size for a desktop widget/link	00:14
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vi__	yeah, its broken.	00:15
fusi	d'oh	00:16
vi__	there is also queen beecon widget	00:16
fusi	ah yea forgot bout that one	00:16
vi__	but as you approach 30 widgets wierd shit starts to happen	00:16
fusi	cluttered desktop? ^^	00:17
vi__	he	00:17
vi__	heh	00:17
vi__	the contents of slide down menus doesnt appear	00:17
vi__	i.e. powerkey menu	00:17
fusi	havent run into that myself yet - did u sumbit a bug report?	00:18
vi__	not yet	00:18
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vi__	i don't think it matters no!no!no!yes! is gone now	00:18
fusi	:(	00:18
vi__	besides 8 havn't quite managed to pinpoint EXACTLY how to trigger the bug	00:19
vi__	/s/8/I	00:19
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fusi	im typo complaint :p	00:19
vi__	/s/8/I/	00:19
vi__	s/8/I/	00:19
infobot	vi__ meant: /s/I/I/	00:19
fusi	ia*	00:19
fusi	see heh	00:19
vi__	he	00:19
vi__	heh	00:19
fusi	sorry i cant be of more help	00:19
vi__	queen beecon widget is rather remarkable	00:20
vi__	It should be ported to desktops as well	00:20
fusi	it is rather nifty	00:20
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fusi	mobile ui's really are influencing more and more stuff	00:20
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fusi	i like it	00:21
SpeedEvil	It's fucking anoying.	00:21
fusi	heh	00:21
vi__	my favourite thing so far is putting tiny widgets in the status bur area at the top right	00:21
SpeedEvil	Firefox - forex.	00:21
SpeedEvil	I have a 20" monitor.	00:21
fusi	good idea, unused space	00:21
fusi	SpeedEvil: ooh i dont use it anymore	00:21
fusi	bloated :s	00:21
SpeedEvil	I want the extra bars, s they are useful.	00:21
fusi	aye	00:22
vi__	extra bars? what?	00:22
fusi	i rly hate m$'s ui changes ie7+	00:22
fusi	with that crappy toolbar you cant do anything with	00:22
fusi	argh	00:22
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vi__	lol@ribbon interface	00:22
fusi	indeed	00:22
SpeedEvil	vi__: Firefox nuked the statusbar. Which is annoying.	00:22
vi__	oh yeah	00:22
fusi	copied google	00:22
fusi	with that floating crap	00:22
fusi	annoying	00:23
vi__	wtf happened to FF?	00:23
fusi	i agree	00:23
fusi	what version you on vi__ ?	00:23
fusi	it all changed in ff4 i think	00:23
vi__	fuck, I dont even know anymore	00:23
fusi	it 'went wrong'	00:23
vi__	4 i think	00:23
fusi	heh	00:23
vi__	I amcurrently using an older build of 'swiftfox' based on FF3 at home	00:24
vi__	it seems to be the betamax of FF	00:24
fusi	ive had many a rant on m$ ui usability in the past	00:24
fusi	^^	00:24
fusi	ooh im on 5	00:25
vi__	theres no point, anyone who understands doesnt us m$ if they can help	00:25
fusi	dont recommend it :(	00:25
fusi	might be all the plugins ive got loaded	00:25
fusi	soo sloooow	00:25
vi__	you know whats freakin sweet?	00:25
fusi	i use chrome these days	00:25
* fusi ducks		00:25
fusi	vi__: mm?	00:25
vi__	busybox on windows	00:25
fusi	:D	00:26
vi__	sed, awk, grep, ash & all the coolshit in 600kB	00:26
vi__	unfortunate for CMD	00:26
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fusi	slightly embarrassing	00:26
vi__	which is too busy locating every dick in the universe to suck so much it fails to notice how fucking worthless it is	00:27
vi__	indeed if CMD was self aware that is	00:27
vi__	however it is not	00:27
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fusi	:p	00:27
vi__	and thusly continues to suck penis	00:28
fusi	deep wound? :p	00:28
* vi__ breathes steady		00:28
vi__	...let it go bro	00:28
fusi	hehe	00:28
vi__	...its ok	00:28
fusi	im tickled for a bit more k240 :)	00:29
fusi	cya l8r o/	00:29
vi__	b	00:29
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Psi	anyone know about the n900 IR system. Do apps that want to send IR codes talk to the IR chip directly or is it an OS call?	01:07
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SpeedEvil	It's an OS call.	01:11
Psi	so you have to pass the pulse width for zero and one and the codes	01:11
SpeedEvil	A stupidly implements OS call, but...	01:11
SpeedEvil	yes	01:11
Psi	ok, thanks	01:11
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Psi	irreco never worked for me (Well it did once years ago) but i just installed tvbgone and that works fine	01:14
Psi	pondering coding a simple app to send the codes i use day-2-day	01:14
nox-	it uses lirc, like irsend	01:14
nox-	so, just like on desktop linux	01:15
Psi	nice	01:15
Psi	that should make it easy to find info	01:15
nox-	youll need an lirc.conf	01:15
nox-	made from mode2, i.e. not devinput or irman or what you have...	01:16
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DocScrutinizer51	irrec works just fine here, one lirc gets properly starteed	02:35
DocScrutinizer51	just the config is scattered all over the device	02:36
DocScrutinizer51	plus the IR TX LED ia just way too weak	02:37
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DocScrutinizer51	I guess in 2 or 3 years I'll do a lil fancy one weekend end pimp the HW (resistors maybe LED and driver transistors)	02:40
DocScrutinizer51	s/ end/ and/	02:40
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: I guess in 2 or 3 years I'll do a lil fancy one weekend and pimp the HW (resistors maybe LED and driver transistors)	02:40
DocScrutinizer51	50W IR laser LED YEAH	02:41
DocScrutinizer51	MOAR POWER	02:41
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer51: when you've built the pocket n900 laz0r with autotarget app ping me ;)	02:44
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer: second battery just for 10 IR LEDs	02:46
Hurrian	controlled by I2C bus	02:46
SpeedEvil	Naah.	02:47
SpeedEvil	The existing battery can cope with amp pulses	02:47
Hurrian	ultimate TV-B-Gone	02:47
SpeedEvil	that's plenty for 3W LEDs	02:47
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gintoxic	youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPSaEm6w0rw me and my friends made this song in 1993-1994 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS	02:50
gintoxic	:D	02:50
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Psi	the n900 IR port is only TX isnt it? ie, there is no RX	05:00
SpeedEvil	yes	05:00
Psi	looks like i'll have to use the osilloscope then :P hehe	05:00
Termana	good morning	05:01
Psi	morning	05:01
DocScrutinizer	scope? for what?	05:01
Psi	for seeing what the IR codes are, so i can make a config file for the device	05:02
DocScrutinizer	yawn	05:02
SpeedEvil	Psi: In principle it's possible to do what DocScrutinizer is about to suggest.	05:02
Psi	soundcard?	05:02
Psi	or, mic in the case of n900	05:02
fusi	oooh it runs!	05:03
Psi	is that what he was going to suggest? :P	05:03
DocScrutinizer	use a phototransistor and a 3.5mm 4pole. connect phototransistor to sleve and lowest ring. Done	05:03
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: how did you know :-D	05:03
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Psi	DocScrutinizer: no need to filter out the carrier?	05:03
DocScrutinizer	no	05:03
Psi	ok	05:03
Psi	thankx	05:03
DocScrutinizer	yw	05:04
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Psi	any idea of those two connections are on the tv out cable?	05:04
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Psi	so i dont need to go find a 4pole 3.5mm	05:04
DocScrutinizer	yellow	05:04
Psi	:)	05:05
DocScrutinizer	+ = pin, GND = shield	05:05
Psi	yeah	05:05
DocScrutinizer	2.5V, 2k2R series	05:05
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DocScrutinizer	aka source Z	05:05
DocScrutinizer	so really all you need is a phototransistor	05:06
Psi	yeah	05:06
DocScrutinizer	if you wanna get fancy, place a 100pF in parallel (filter carrier ;-D )	05:06
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Psi	i have a few IR reciever chips somewhere	05:07
DocScrutinizer	or do the math for a RC filter with R=2k2 and f(0)=10kHz	05:07
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fusi	wish i undserstood electronivs	05:07
DocScrutinizer	maybe yu can even use 1nF	05:08
Psi	fusi: you dont really need to understand much to be able to join existing stuff together and make whatever you want	05:08
fusi	like burnt out bits of electronics?	05:08
fusi	:D	05:08
DocScrutinizer	but I bet you don't need any of that	05:08
Psi	heh	05:08
Psi	DocScrutinizer: yeah	05:08
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Psi	so you have the n900 schematics?	05:10
SpeedEvil	yes	05:10
Psi	nice	05:10
SpeedEvil	they're on the wiki	05:10
* Psi didnt know this		05:10
DocScrutinizer	there's already a 100pF, after the bed	05:10
fusi	pF..	05:11
fusi	pico farrad? :D	05:11
DocScrutinizer	pico Farad	05:11
fusi	yay	05:11
fusi	i was right	05:11
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Psi	heh	05:11
DocScrutinizer	bead	05:11
DocScrutinizer	L4080 bead 120R/100MHz	05:13
DocScrutinizer	irrelevant for kHz	05:13
DocScrutinizer	blocks the RF so it goes to FMRX rather than to GND via 100pF	05:14
Psi	so irrecord can read the line in directly?	05:15
DocScrutinizer	nope, you'll need to use soundcard for this	05:16
Psi	sounds like the oscilloscope would be easier	05:17
DocScrutinizer	though IF it actually pulls down the line to GND, then HOLD button even shall get triggered that can somehow get read directly	05:17
nox-	apparently lirc has a portaudio driver for soundcard input...	05:18
DocScrutinizer	hey, I'd prefer audacity to a cheap scope for this task every day	05:18
nox-	tho i much doubt thats got built for n900 lirc :)	05:18
DocScrutinizer	nox-: \o/	05:18
Psi	for getting codes when your away from home yeah, this is definitly the way to go	05:18
Psi	but at home its probably simpler to just use the rigol	05:19
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DocScrutinizer	nox-: where did I see your nick recently?	05:19
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nox-	hm lirc docs talk about an audio-alsa input too...	05:20
Psi	think ill make a 4pole 3.5->phototransistor module i can keep in my wallet	05:20
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DocScrutinizer	champion developer of August? co-author of a package with 2 other guys?	05:20
nox-	DocScrutinizer, you tell me :)	05:20
nox-	hm?	05:20
nox-	probabyl different nox	05:20
nox-	ly	05:20
nox-	even	05:20
nox-	http://www.lirc.org/html/audio-alsa.html	05:21
nox-	ah yeah lirc-0.9.0/daemons/hw_audio_alsa.c	05:21
DocScrutinizer	hmmm rigol	05:21
Psi	1052e	05:22
nox-	this is the hw: http://www.lirc.org/ir-audio.html	05:22
Psi	the one everyone hacked to 100mhz :D	05:22
nox-	whats that, a tuner?	05:22
DocScrutinizer	sope	05:22
Psi	oscilloscope	05:22
nox-	ah	05:22
DocScrutinizer	scope	05:22
nox-	DocScrutinizer, curious which package were you thinking of?	05:23
Psi	i should get one of those new agilent ones	05:23
DocScrutinizer	I got rid of basically all my tools	05:23
Psi	mm.. fast update rate	05:23
DocScrutinizer	nox-: no idea. Just seen a nox- mentioned somewhere last 48h, thought "duh, you know that guy?"	05:23
nox-	im mostly a freebsd guy, something to do with that?	05:24
DocScrutinizer	fullname (nox-@somewhere.foo)	05:24
nox-	nox@freebsd.org	05:24
DocScrutinizer	yeah	05:25
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DocScrutinizer	in some .h or whitepaper or sth	05:25
nox-	heh	05:25
nox-	i wonder what that was :)	05:25
DocScrutinizer	nfc	05:25
nox-	g	05:25
DocScrutinizer	packrat?	05:26
nox-	hm i dont even remember what that is...	05:26
DocScrutinizer	nm	05:26
DocScrutinizer	If I recall it I'll let you know	05:27
nox-	heh ok	05:27
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DocScrutinizer	dang, my dns-server(s) dead, probably not long until I'm offline	05:39
nox-	try 8.8.8.8	05:40
nox-	(google's)	05:40
DocScrutinizer	yeah, just needs reconfiguration of my router :-/	05:40
DocScrutinizer	maybe it's even my provider's DSLAM	05:41
DocScrutinizer	modem acts weird	05:41
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nox-	you can also put it in your local resolv.conf for the time being	05:43
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DocScrutinizer	tzzz, changing second DNS to 8.8.8.8 in router made all work great, PRIMARY DNS is answering again	05:49
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nox-	heh	05:49
DocScrutinizer	I think this ZyXEL P660 is crap	05:49
* nox- oldschool, still using freebsd as router here...		05:50
DocScrutinizer	can't afford that :-D	05:50
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nox-	mh	05:52
DocScrutinizer	I've seen this effect before, seems each time the modem thinks about using secondary DNS it goes apeshit	05:52
nox-	oh	05:52
nox-	(you mean the router?)	05:53
DocScrutinizer	somehow last time I tried to investigate what's going on, everything was really weird, like 2nd DNS got messed up and killing primary DNS table or sth	05:53
nox-	o_O	05:53
DocScrutinizer	I'm using a very proprietary DNS which isn't exactly meant to be public usage	05:54
DocScrutinizer	and I'm all doubt about the secondary DNS there being a proper DNS at all	05:55
nox-	well google's is `proper'	05:55
DocScrutinizer	yeah, so I might keep 8.8.8.8 for secondary	05:55
nox-	ah the one you had, ok	05:55
DocScrutinizer	th eone I used for secondary 5min ago	05:56
nox-	yeah	05:56
DocScrutinizer	instead of that x.x.212.52	05:56
DocScrutinizer	of a small provider here in my town	05:57
DocScrutinizer	that's not at all related to me	05:57
nox-	heh	05:57
DocScrutinizer	advantage of distributed info. DSL provider knows my IP<->realname, this DNS knows my queries and IP but can't correlate to any real name	05:59
* nox- once discovered an uni dns in one little used box when it wouldnt resolve anymore, apparently it then was moved or closed for the outside		05:59
nox-	makes sense	05:59
DocScrutinizer	google however knows all :-P	06:00
nox-	possibly	06:00
DocScrutinizer	that's why I don't really like 8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.4	06:00
* nox- also usually refuses google's cookies		06:01
DocScrutinizer	won't help when you use 8.8.8.8	06:01
nox-	hehe	06:01
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DocScrutinizer	8.8.8.8 knows everything you do	06:01
nox-	(i didnt say i usually do... :)	06:01
nox-	thats just one publicly available one	06:02
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nox-	..publicly available and easy to remember	06:03
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* DocScrutinizer changed wireshark for filter:ip.addr=8.8.8.8 and let it run for the next days		06:07
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nox-	you run that on the router?	06:20
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DocScrutinizer	wireshark? no	06:22
DocScrutinizer	my router doesn't relay DNS, it just hands DNS IP to DHCP clients	06:23
nox-	oh	06:23
nox-	even more strange then that it would have trouble with a secondary	06:23
DocScrutinizer	this also renders moot all my rant about ZyXEL being crap and involved there	06:23
nox-	heh	06:23
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fusi	heh	06:28
fusi	googled a problem ive got	06:28
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fusi	and got linked to an archived irc chat log from this channel	06:28
fusi	hehe	06:28
fusi	unfortauntely the problem doesnt appear to have been resolved	06:28
fusi	but the cause was identified	06:28
fusi	aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined	06:29
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fusi	https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-November/011125.html	06:31
fusi	hehe	06:31
fusi	can i delete the m4 folder and its contents	06:32
fusi	is it regenerated?	06:32
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nox-	that i kind of doubt	06:33
fusi	yea iim looking thorugh it	06:33
fusi	i do see a m4_define([LT_PACKAGE_VERSION], [2.2.6b])	06:34
fusi	in ltversion.m4	06:34
fusi	hmmm	06:34
fusi	woglindewhich libtool version fremantle has?01:05	06:34
fusi	javispedro1.5.26-4	06:34
fusi	hmm nope	06:35
fusi	commeting the def out doenst help either	06:36
fusi	hmm lt~obsolete.m4	06:36
nox-	i think you can run all the auto* foo on a pc, except for the ./configure run itself	06:37
fusi	orly	06:37
fusi	yea im in scratchbox atm	06:37
nox-	`in theory' :)	06:37
fusi	oh you tease	06:37
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nox-	but that might have more chances than getting something more recent to work with obsolete auto* tools	06:38
fusi	ooh	06:38
fusi	well it didnt error on the autoreconf	06:39
fusi	ooh!	06:39
fusi	\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/	06:40
* fusi huggles nox-		06:40
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fusi	you win a million winrars	06:40
nox-	haha	06:40
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fusi	:d ty	06:40
fusi	:D	06:40
nox-	yw	06:40
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nox-	and i just found a argz.m4 here that defines gl_FUNC_ARGZ, # Portability macros for glibc argz. -- Autoconf -	06:42
fusi	:D	06:42
nox-	ah yeah its from libtool-2.4	06:43
fusi	ah	06:44
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fusi	hoorah	06:50
fusi	compiles and runs \o/	06:50
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nox-	fusi, :)	07:24
nox-	bbl	07:24
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antman89691	has anyone else placed the "preorder" for the cordia tab	07:57
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wmarone	antman89691: I will as soon as actual preorders are available	07:59
antman89691	it might help to to the pre pre order, aparently he needs to know who is interested	08:02
antman89691	but I'm glad to see it coming soon	08:02
antman89691	harmattan is proving to be a let down	08:03
cehteh	pre pre pre pre order .. wtf :P	08:03
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ruskie	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Canalys-August-1-report/ <-- lol	08:13
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ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/01/rural_wireless_standard/	08:16
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TimmyT	when the email app checks my inbox and finds new mails, downloads the body of new mails, but i want it downloads only their headers, not the whole body, how can i configure it?	10:07
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DocScrutinizer	use imap instead of pop3 ?	10:09
cehteh	imap doesnt work better on the n900 :P	10:10
TimmyT	DocScrutinizer: i did,	10:10
DocScrutinizer	configurability of modest is errrr modest	10:10
cehteh	email is just broken	10:10
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MohammadAG	not in nokia messaging :P	10:11
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RST38h	moo all	10:55
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Arkenoi	will cordia run apps from fremantle repositories?	11:17
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DocScrutinizer	wtf is cordia?	11:25
DocScrutinizer	esp what's a cordia tab?	11:26
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radiofree	sounds like the name of some new soft drink	11:29
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Psi	DocScrutinizer: yay, got my lighting working in qtirreco	11:46
Psi	way more range when you get the carrier freq right :)	11:46
SpeedEvil	:)	11:47
Psi	do we actually know what wavelength the filter in the n900 case is designed to pass?	11:49
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SpeedEvil	what filter	11:52
Psi	on the n900 case	11:52
Psi	where the ir led is	11:52
SpeedEvil	Quite irrelevant.	11:53
SpeedEvil	It passes the LEDs wavelength.	11:53
SpeedEvil	which is - pretty much - one wavelength.	11:53
Psi	oh right	11:53
DocScrutinizer	exactly	11:53
Psi	yeah, i wasnt thinking	11:53
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SpeedEvil	Probably in the 800nm range	11:54
DocScrutinizer	and my freq was correctish for my TV, yet the range is <2m	11:54
Psi	at 40khz i was getting 1m and not very reliable. changed to 38khz and am now getting it from the other side of the room, ~4m	11:54
DocScrutinizer	well, most IRRX are not exactly carrier selective	11:55
Psi	my room lighting uses one of those 3pin ir reciever chips	11:55
Psi	with built in amp and filter that outputs the raw pulses at 0-5v	11:56
DocScrutinizer	yeah , iirc those are usually spec'ed like >>38..42kHz<< and >32..36kHz<<	11:57
DocScrutinizer	sth like that	11:57
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DocScrutinizer	at least the one used in my TV evidently is characterized correctly by such spec	11:58
Psi	http://psi.abcom.co.nz/leds1s.jpg	11:59
Psi	http://psi.abcom.co.nz/leds2s.jpg	11:59
Psi	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jH_wRJW5vU	11:59
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Psi	hehe, my room lighting video came up as the 4th item in google search results for "led room lighting"	12:00
* Psi feels special		12:00
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ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/02/isolated_human_genes_can_be_patented/ <-- can we stop with patenting nature?	12:56
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robbiethe1st	^^	12:56
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villager	ruskie: I've decided I'll never move to the U.S. if there's a chance I'll want to do any kind of innovation - and since I'm an engineer, that chance will always be there	13:15
ruskie	hehe	13:15
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ruskie	I decided to not even visit the US...	13:15
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Creteil	~seen thopiekar	13:20
nid0	having to fill out an essay in order to visit the place is a pain :<	13:20
Creteil	Hi all	13:20
Creteil	someone here can help me to find why autobuilder reject my build with error :	13:21
Creteil	dh_pysupport	13:21
Creteil	make: dh_pysupport: Command not found	13:21
Creteil	make: *** [binary-arch] Error 127	13:21
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2	13:21
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villager	yes, I try to avoid visiting U.S. too, but since one of my friends live there, it's not easy to avoid completely	13:22
villager	Creteil: you need Build-Depends: python-support	13:23
Creteil	villager, thanks I understand now How to fix all this type of problem ...	13:23
* Arkenoi is going to visit US someday but i am kinda worried NSA and DHS will fuck my brain. Getting visa if you are involved in something with words "security" or/and "crypto" in it might be lengthy and annoying procedure.		13:25
villager	Creteil: that's part of what the autobuilder is for	13:25
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Creteil	villager, just fixed the control file and send to autobuilder with dput ...	13:26
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villager	Creteil: otherwise I suppose you just have to learn stuff... try things... ask more experience people... do research (e.g. "dpkg -S dh_pysupport" would have told you which package the file is in)	13:27
villager	look at other packages to see how they're done...	13:28
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villager	whatever it takes	13:28
Creteil	villager, yes for sure ...	13:29
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Psi	has anyone found a way to get more than 4 desktops yet?	13:52
Psi	last i checked the needed code was still closed source	13:52
cehteh	isnt there an app to unlock that (or just setting some configure option)	13:54
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robbiethe1st	Yea, there is	14:02
robbiethe1st	there's a topic showing how to get up to 9	14:03
robbiethe1st	...Not that I've ever messed with it; I haven't needed more than 2	14:03
merlin1991	Psi: with the cssu you get up to 9	14:11
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Timmyt		14:20
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chem\|st	cehteh: config... set 9 instead of 4...	14:24
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chem\|st	Psi: that is old... was one of the first desktop tweaks out afair	14:25
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Arkenoi	my apmd died, how can i check what happened?	14:28
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ShadowJK	you're not supposed to have an apmd?	14:35
gomiam	ShadowJK: where are you not supposed to have an apmd?	14:36
gomiam	AFAIK you can have one on N8x0... then again it might be the applet just talking trash when it connects to the battery info.	14:37
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Arkenoi	ShadowJK, battery applet says so (that it died and it cannot get battery level because of it)	14:42
ShadowJK	must be some random crapapplet :)	14:43
Arkenoi	the stock battery indicator shows it all grey as well	14:44
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Arkenoi	batterygraph, however, dies get the proper values	14:46
Arkenoi	does	14:46
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* gomiam ps -efa's...		14:56
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gomiam	there seems to be no process called apm-whatever	14:57
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gomiam	which means the apm is either an applet brainfart or something embedded somewhere else.	14:58
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gomiam	checking /usr/lib/advance-power-monitor/* ...	14:58
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gomiam	Arkenoi: ok, it seems there is a /usr/lib/advanced-power-monitor/AdvancedPowerMonitorDaemon.py that acts as APMD for the applet. /etc/init.d/apmonitord restart might be the command you want to run as root to get APMD back up again.	15:59
TimmyT	i had installed mymenu and now i've removed that, but now i see that it has broken the menu, and lots of installed apps are not shown in the default menu	16:00
TimmyT	what can i do with it?	16:00
Arkenoi	strange, apmonitord is missing from my init.d	16:01
Arkenoi	how could it happen?	16:01
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Arkenoi	and there is no /usr/lib/advanced-power-monitor as well	16:02
gomiam	Arkenoi: mmm... it seems you lack some package	16:02
gomiam	checking...	16:02
FIQ\|n900	TimmyT, have you rebooted since uninstall?	16:02
TimmyT	FIQ\|n900: yep	16:03
FIQ\|n900	where did you install it?	16:03
Arkenoi	andvanced-power-monitor is already the newest version	16:03
gomiam	Arkenoi: do you have advance-power-monitor installed?	16:04
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gomiam	erm... advanced-power-monitor, I mean	16:04
TimmyT	FIQ\|n900: what so u mean where did u install it? i've installed on my phone. where can i install it?	16:04
FIQ\|n900	er	16:05
Arkenoi	yes	16:05
gomiam	TimmyT: he asks where did you put, on the menu, the mymenu link... I think.	16:05
gomiam	Arkenoi: reinstall it then, please.	16:05
FIQ\|n900	i wonder what repository you installed it from	16:05
TimmyT	ahah, official repositories, but dunnu which one	16:06
FIQ\|n900	ah, i found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57822	16:06
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TimmyT	i've ssh access to my phone	16:07
Arkenoi	reinstalled, everything is ok	16:07
Arkenoi	how could it vanish from the system though apt thinks it is still there?	16:07
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FIQ\|n900	TimmyT, that's really an outdated thread so the solution might not work however	16:08
FIQ\|n900	but try it	16:08
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TimmyT	FIQ\|n900: someone reported that by doing this, rearranging is not possible	16:09
TimmyT	he said: I had the same problem, did the same thing and everything worked fine...	16:10
TimmyT	BUT	16:10
TimmyT	When I tried to rearrange icons in menu it got back to the old, damaged/ missing icons one.. And had to do this again..	16:10
FIQ\|n900	i see it, readed the thread as well	16:10
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FIQ\|n900	but i don't really use mymenu, so i don't know exactly why it happens	16:10
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FIQ\|n900	so i can't help you there really	16:10
FIQ\|n900	except from linking that	16:10
TimmyT	if i know it will happen, i would behave as u :D	16:11
TimmyT	and i would not install it	16:11
FIQ\|n900	the only other solution I can give is... well, reflash	16:11
TimmyT	FIQ\|n900: lol, i've just reflashed it	16:12
FIQ\|n900	um	16:12
FIQ\|n900	and it didn't help?	16:12
TimmyT	fiq"	16:12
FIQ\|n900	and you've already removed everything?	16:12
TimmyT	no, it was ok, i've installed this app after that	16:12
FIQ\|n900	if so, try reflash again, that will help for sure :)	16:13
FIQ\|n900	even if it might be a quicker way that i don't know about	16:13
TimmyT	i mean if i reflash it, it'll be ok. but i've just done that today	16:13
TimmyT	ok	16:13
TimmyT	so no one will remove or report this app?	16:14
TimmyT	it'll broke more phones	16:14
TimmyT	err, brick	16:14
FIQ\|n900	indeed it will	16:14
FIQ\|n900	submit a bug report if it isn't already	16:15
gomiam	Arkenoi: good question. I have no answer for it though.	16:15
FIQ\|n900	TimmyT, you might want to try installing something that rebuilds the menu and see if it works	16:16
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FIQ\|n900	like catorise	16:16
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FIQ\|n900	(and then uninstall it)	16:17
TimmyT	let me try	16:17
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TimmyT	FIQ\|n900: i've just installed catorise and it has restored my icons, but seems it's a good menu,	16:21
TimmyT	tnx	16:21
FIQ\|n900	ok	16:21
FIQ\|n900	np	16:22
TimmyT	where to report it?	16:22
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Shapeshifter	media player says 'no songs'. everything is gone except the radio stations. help?	17:02
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nusse	have you tried turning it off and on again?	17:07
Shapeshifter	nusse: no. that seems bothersome and I wouldn't even know what the problem was	17:08
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villager	perhaps the Tracker database needs to be rebuilt	17:10
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Shapeshifter	villager: How do I do that? I see tracker is running	17:11
villager	hmm, wonder if infobot has any information about that	17:11
villager	~tracker	17:11
Shapeshifter	!tracker	17:11
villager	well, if infobot knows, I'm not sure what the keyword it	17:12
villager	try /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd -r	17:13
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villager	Shapeshifter: or, according to a web search, maybe it's tracker-processes -r	17:16
villager	of course this all assumes that your songs aren't physically gone...	17:17
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Shapeshifter	villager: thanks, I was jsut driving somewhere else. tracker-processes -r did something but didn't solve the problem	17:32
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Shapeshifter	mh it's probably running in the background	17:34
villager	Shapeshifter: it may take a while to reindex... but can you check if the files are physically there? with the file manager, say?	17:34
Shapeshifter	villager: yes they are, I can play them through file manager as well.	17:35
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villager	Shapeshifter: ok, then perhaps you'll just have to wait for the reindex to complete	17:35
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Shapeshifter	villager: yep they're back	17:42
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psychologe	i install cutetube-qml it's a great program,but i can't login my youtube accounts.	19:06
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rm_work	~packrat	19:19
infobot	methinks packrat is a cute little rodent that keeps everything it finds. http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/	19:19
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reenignEesreveR	i have a second hand n900; the previous guy has tinkered a lot to install a lot of unwanted software ... i was wondering if there could be a way to get my phone into a state as if it was unboxed ... flashing etc would do?	20:00
NIN101	~flashing	20:01
infobot	somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	20:01
reenignEesreveR	i don't think i need to update the firmware as such ...	20:01
NIN101	read the page, it answers your question.	20:02
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reenignEesreveR	thx	20:03
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angelox\|laptop	Hi everybody	20:21
angelox\|laptop	I'm getting a Green(or yellow) light when i plug my Nokia N900 at usb plugging into my PC	20:22
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angelox\|laptop	it charges fine	20:23
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nid0	whats the problem?	20:24
SpeedEvil	green is charged	20:24
angelox\|laptop	i'm not sure if it's green	20:24
SpeedEvil	yellow solid is charging, but too low battery voltage to boot	20:24
angelox\|laptop	hmm	20:25
angelox\|laptop	but the device powers up finely	20:25
SpeedEvil	Yellow flashing is charging after booting.	20:25
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angelox\|laptop	Yellow solid	20:25
SpeedEvil	That's charging - when off then.	20:26
angelox\|laptop	but that color when device powered on?	20:26
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angelox\|laptop	that also when booting another O.S.,like MeeGo	20:28
SpeedEvil	Odd.	20:29
SpeedEvil	With device powered on - if it's not maemo - whatever that OS chooses to do	20:29
angelox\|laptop	but on Maemo i get the same	20:29
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SpeedEvil	Does it charge properly?	20:35
SpeedEvil	An have you installed any LED pattern stuff?	20:35
SpeedEvil	It's possible for the MCE file to be corrupt, and have the wrong patterns stored.	20:35
angelox\|laptop	Yes,it charge s	20:36
angelox\|laptop	no,i haven't led pattern app	20:36
angelox\|laptop	and i've flashed too recently	20:39
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hiemanshu	I think the usb on n900 will break any day now :(	20:49
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fusi	ahoy	20:58
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fusi	hmm	21:01
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fusi	when stepping into a func exported by this .so, the program exits withcode 0 :(	21:01
fusi	i guess it cant find the .so?	21:02
fusi	thought it would of failed at link/load time?	21:02
fusi	am i able to use ar and glom the .a intp the program?	21:02
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fusi	or will that still require the .so?	21:03
fusi	is the .a just an import file? no actual cdoe?	21:04
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fusi	http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html	21:11
fusi	yay	21:11
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fusi	hmm ldconfig	21:14
javispedro	fusi: lazy linking: a symbol is resolved the first time it is called	21:14
javispedro	so yes, it will die if it can't find it the moment it is called.	21:14
javispedro	however, it should print something meaningful to stderr.	21:15
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fusi	javispedro: aha	21:24
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fusi	thanks, unfortunately it silently exits	21:24
fusi	exit value: 0	21:25
fusi	im assuming it cant find the lib	21:25
fusi	but its in /usr/local/lib	21:25
fusi	hmm	21:25
fusi	am i able to link the .a into the program	21:25
fusi	so that it doesnt need to link the external lib	21:25
javispedro	are you closing stderr or sth wierd?	21:25
fusi	using the hello world template	21:26
fusi	clicking the big button calls into this lib	21:26
fusi	no stderr messing around afaics	21:26
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fusi	hmm	21:27
fusi	aha	21:27
fusi	nope im looking at the wrong console ^^	21:27
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fusi	/home/maemo/workspace/helloworld/helloworld: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/liboauth.so.0: undefined symbol: RAND_bytes	21:28
fusi	waaah	21:28
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fusi	so.. its findiong the lib?	21:28
fusi	but its not exporting the required symbol	21:28
fusi	eeeh	21:28
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fusi	thanks for your help javispedro	21:30
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fusi	hmmhmmhmmhmm	21:31
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fusi	hmm	21:32
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fusi	RAND_bytes is declared openssl/rand.h	21:32
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javispedro	fusi: sounds like a hard problem	21:33
fusi	soo it must be that it cant find openssl lib	21:33
fusi	naa	21:33
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fusi	its just me being noob with build envs =)	21:33
javispedro	yes	21:33
javispedro	I mean	21:33
javispedro	you are probably running a Diablo binary in Fremantle, or the like	21:34
fusi	yer	21:34
fusi	hmm	21:34
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fusi	what im doing is basically	21:36
fusi	got liboauth from the repo	21:37
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fusi	built it, installed yada	21:37
fusi	now afaik that should of pulled down all the openssl stuff and whatnot	21:37
javispedro	check the versions of the openssl packages you used	21:38
javispedro	device and scratchbox should match	21:38
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fusi	yea	21:39
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fusi	hmm	21:44
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DocScrutinizer	hiemanshu: get your dang USB fixed then	21:51
DocScrutinizer	NOW	21:51
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schaueho	I'm trying to use my n900 as a router, connecting my laptop via usb	21:55
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schaueho	unfortunately, whenever the n900 is on gprs, the laptop can't connect to the n900	21:56
schaueho	any ideas?	21:56
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schaueho	the gprs interface seems to interfere with the usb device	22:07
schaueho	I can't even ping the ip on the usb interface from the n900	22:07
valdyn_	schaueho: ping is disabled by default	22:08
valdyn_	schaueho: did you adjust routes?	22:08
valdyn_	schaueho: is forwarding enabled? ( i have no idea what background i can assume )	22:09
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schaueho	yes, forwarding is enabled, but I don't even get to the n900	22:10
schaueho	although I can ping the laptop from the n900 just fine	22:10
valdyn_	schaueho: echo requests are disabled, enable them if you want to play with ping	22:10
valdyn_	schaueho: i mean echo replies are disabled	22:11
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schaueho	hmm, but only if on gprs?	22:11
valdyn_	schaueho: obviously they're not disabled on your laptop	22:11
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valdyn_	schaueho: nah, they're generally off by default iirc	22:11
schaueho	when the n900 is on wlan, I can ping it from the laptop just fine	22:11
schaueho	I suspect that the routing I get from the gprs is the culprit	22:12
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schaueho	I get a default route 0.0.0.0 with a gateway of 0.0.0.0	22:12
valdyn_	schaueho: thats ok	22:12
valdyn_	Shapeshifter: thing is that your route to the laptop via usb needs to be above in the routing table	22:13
valdyn_	schaueho: ^^	22:13
valdyn_	Shapeshifter: sry	22:13
schaueho	well, if I can trust the output of route -n, that's the case	22:14
valdyn_	schaueho: sure you can trust it	22:14
valdyn_	schaueho: do verify that echo is on	22:15
valdyn_	schaueho: oh and do verify that routing table on the laptop too	22:16
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fusi	think ive found the root of the problem	22:19
fusi	./configure doesnt work in scratchbox due to wrong libtools, so i ran it outside of scratchbox	22:19
fusi	which must of pulled in aaaaaaall the wrong versions of dependancies	22:20
fusi	so ive gotta recreate the build env for this liboauth basically	22:20
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schaueho	valdyn_, you're right, the echo replies are disabled	22:24
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Justus	hi	22:28
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Justus	got a little problem here: whenever I try to do something on my N900 filesystem it fails, on the console i get the reason readonly filesystem, but when i check it with mount it says rw not ro, any ideas?	22:29
SpeedEvil	fuk?	22:29
SpeedEvil	full	22:29
SpeedEvil	>?	22:29
* SpeedEvil stabs his keyboard.		22:29
Justus	hm, settings tells me theres 1 gb free space	22:30
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Justus	df tells me 96 percent	22:31
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SpeedEvil	which filesystem	22:32
Justus	plus it also fails on rm	22:32
Justus	- /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)	22:33
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SpeedEvil	I'd look at dmesg	22:39
SpeedEvil	see if there are any errors	22:39
SpeedEvil	Oh - this is mydocs?	22:40
SpeedEvil	you can - as root - unmount that	22:40
SpeedEvil	and then dosfsck it	22:40
SpeedEvil	I think	22:40
SpeedEvil	Or mount on a PC and run a filesystem checker	22:40
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fusi	ok look slike liboauth is in the repos anyway	22:44
fusi	so i wont bother building that myself	22:44
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justus	re	22:50
Juozapas	hi	22:51
justus	did anyone answer after i posted the mount output? because at that time my system crashed	22:51
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Juozapas	how to make time delay for camera? i want to make group photos with myself sometimes	22:51
NIN101	@justus: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html	22:52
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justus	thanks alot, ill have a look	22:53
NIN101	@Juozapas: IIRC the stock version can not do it. But take a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=964196 which is now shipped with CSSU...	22:55
fusi	OOOOOMF IT WORKS	22:55
* fusi dances		22:55
Juozapas	thx	22:55
fusi	0x8504170 "Failed to validate oauth signature and token"	22:56
fusi	\o/	22:56
FIQ	what name does the microB binary have?	22:56
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reenignEesreveR	how do i know which firmware version would be best for me? there are about 20 options available :(	22:57
reenignEesreveR	what is "vanilla" version?	22:58
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NIN101	reenignEesreveR: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#What_does_it_do.3F	23:00
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reenignEesreveR	what about regions?	23:03
Sicelo	Juozapas: you can also use something like: sleep 30; phone --control --capture <path>	23:03
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reenignEesreveR	there are around 5 regions, my country doesn't fall any of those so prolly i'll be ok with "global" ?	23:03
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Juozapas	Sicelo: no command phone'	23:06
Sicelo	sorry	23:06
Sicelo	phone-control....	23:06
NIN101	@FIQ: /usr/bin/browser	23:06
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FIQ	ahh	23:07
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Jaffa	Ev'ning, all	23:07
NIN101	reenignEesreveR: yes I think "global" is the right choice for you. Also, for the first time it is recommended to read the whole page.	23:08
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Juozapas	Sicelo: the same problem.. maybe i must install something first?	23:08
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Juozapas	oh yeah..	23:08
Juozapas	i found :)	23:09
Juozapas	thx	23:09
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Sc0rpius_	:)	23:53
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