IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-08-01

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DocScrutinizeryou perhaps could create a contact in addrbook with number "2" and give this contact a "call" while your dialer is busy with the established call and the call waiting00:00
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SpeedEvilUnlikely to work00:01
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: just come back reporting, whatever you find out about it, please00:01
* SpeedEvil wonders if pnatd is locked out on call00:01
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DocScrutinizerdon't think so00:01
DocScrutinizeryeah "ATD2<enter>" in pnatd would probably also work, if it works at all00:02
Oppo|n900Hi guys00:02
Oppo|n900I'm on a trip00:02
Oppo|n900and want to develop something00:03
Oppo|n900What in the best way to do so on a n900?00:03
SpeedEvilWhat sort of thing?00:03
SpeedEvilYou can code in python for example on the device.00:03
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Oppo|n900I just wanna do some coding00:04
SpeedEvilOr awk, shell, even compile C00:04
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ShapeshifterOppo|n900: I do a lot of python coding in vim on the n90000:06
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Oppo|n900I never liked vim00:06
Oppo|n900I use nano00:06
Oppo|n900but yea00:06
Oppo|n900I get your point00:06
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sim_hi, just truncated my sources.list on my n900, any hints what the defaults should be for freemantle?00:33
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qknight_hi. what program invokes this dialog:
qknight_the first dialog when scrolling down with the mouse01:09
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qknight_maybe ps helps then...01:28
merlin1991qknight_: it's rather that about nobody is around atm01:32
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qknight_merlin1991: yes, probably right considering it's monday morning ...01:33
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qknight_no 'ps' does not help01:35
qknight_the dialog seems to be coming from an already running application01:35
merlin1991my bet would be hildon-home01:35
merlin1991but I have nfc01:35
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qknight_merlin1991: hildon-home was not bad, but it seems to be /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu01:39
qknight_at least when i kill the task on the shell, the gui disappears01:39
qknight_enough for today01:40
qknight_good night01:40
qknight_and thanks a lot01:40
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orangeyhello again!01:42
orangeyjust playing with asui on an n810.01:42
orangeyexcellent stuff..01:42
orangeyhow do I remove the icons for bluetooth, wifi and the battery?01:43
orangeysince asui replaces all of those!!01:43
DocScrutinizerqknight_: afail the menu gets originally started by ke_recv01:46
qknight_DocScrutinizer: can i add another entry into this list?01:48
DocScrutinizerI don't know, but probably not01:49
DocScrutinizerit's for sure hardcoded in a binary. Dunno if the source is FOSS01:49
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DocScrutinizerwhat other entry could be useful there?01:50
qknight_DocScrutinizer: then maybe i could write my own dialog?01:50
qknight_DocScrutinizer: and call the other if the user wishes?01:50
qknight_DocScrutinizer: select iso image to boot from would be a nice addition01:51
qknight_DocScrutinizer: i've just experimented with my n900 and i'm now able to boot grml64 from the n900 device01:52
qknight_via usb attached to my desktop comuter01:52
DocScrutinizerhaha, that would mean you need a way to access that iso image from NOLO01:52
DocScrutinizerNOkia bootLOader01:53
qknight_DocScrutinizer: no i set a boot image on the n900 device and my other computer boots from the n90001:53
DocScrutinizerwell, that means you want to export alternative partitions for the mass storage mode then?01:54
qknight_via the gui01:54
qknight_or (a) gui01:54
DocScrutinizerI thought you want to boot N900 from an ISO image ;-P01:54
qknight_but it would be nice to alter what is there01:54
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DocScrutinizerbtw I got a process /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu even during normal charge01:55
DocScrutinizerI'm not completely convinced this process is the one showing the USB mode selector menu - but I haven't investigated at all yet01:56
qknight_DocScrutinizer: if you have an idea let me know. i'll be reading it tomorrow01:57
qknight_DocScrutinizer: thanks for all your input01:57
qknight_\me is now gone ... hopefully01:57
DocScrutinizerpossibly a dbus-monitor --system during plugin of USB would help to shed some light on the whole process01:57
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: check osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh02:00
DocScrutinizeryou probably could link in a selector dialog there02:00
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: /usr/sbin/ke-recv monitors events in /sys and on kernel at large (here: attached USB cable) and calls the menu (not sure which binary) and then obviously executes /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh02:09
DocScrutinizerchem|st: muh¿02:09
chem|sts/o pinged me days ago...02:10
DocScrutinizerqknight_: all without warranty for correctness02:10
chem|stguess it was you02:10
DocScrutinizerchem|st: aah, was just asking if you want to do another few bans on tmo. Except for un-abill-uk it seems all got already sent to \b\ or elsewhere to troll there02:11
chem|sts/o else is doing that for now as ppl started to hunt me again02:12
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: AIUI you can see deleted posts, so you may find thread amusing02:12
DocScrutinizerour arab terrorist who breaks USB spare parts out of his dad's phone to glue(1) them to N900 finally gone mental on his trolling nature ;-P02:14
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chem|st"Your just mental "^^02:15
chem|stsjgadsby is cleaning the place hu?!02:16
DocScrutinizerhehe, pretty rapidly even02:16
DocScrutinizerjust un-abill of course didn't leave after his melodramatic "goodbye"02:17
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DocScrutinizerthis guy is resistent against all sorts of bashing, blaming, temporary bands and other frustrating stuff, he simply keeps on flooding tmo ;-D02:18
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DocScrutinizer""your not god you know"" ;-P02:19
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DocScrutinizer""nigga they did it again, delete my post. Gonna call my lawyer"" - what a donut02:22
DocScrutinizerseriously tmo is the only forum so far where trolls come up like "I am a troll you **** BEEP *** - ban me ban me BAN ME!!!"02:24
DocScrutinizerno idea if that's the lowest class or the top of trolling02:25
DocScrutinizerseems the inverted the trolling paradigm, see how fast you can get banned, rather than trying to mess up as long as possible without getting banned02:26
SpeedEvilI have got the media player playing an audio file.02:26
SpeedEvilWithout showing its window in the task manager02:27
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: heh :-D02:27
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SpeedEvilI think I killed the window at just the right moment02:27
DocScrutinizerwell mafw will happily continue even when you kill frontend - AIUI02:27
DocScrutinizerafaik it's (the pipe) not even a child process of frontend, so it won't really notice when you kill -9 it02:28
SpeedEvilNaah - from the UI02:29
SpeedEvilNot doing anything wierd.02:29
DocScrutinizeryou can have multiple frontends all in sync regarding the state of mafw backend, and depending on frontend implementation it probably won't stop playback when you close any of those frontends02:30
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sure02:30
DocScrutinizergot it02:30
DocScrutinizerjust saying frontend probably missed to send a "stop playback" dbus msg on dieing02:30
fusithis is all going horribly wrong02:30
fusicant use liboauth because it depends on openssl with conflicts with gpl \o/02:31
fusiso i cant release it02:31
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DocScrutinizeropenssl conflicts with gpl?02:32
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SpeedEvil :)02:34
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fusiDocScrutinizer: thats what ./configure is telling me02:35
fusiSpeedEvil: heh02:35
fusieither way i lost that other vm02:36
fusiand i cant remember what i did now :(02:36
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fusifed up02:38
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: see02:56
DocScrutinizer# FIXME: these should come from startup scripts02:57
DocScrutinizerexport MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/media/mmc1'02:57
DocScrutinizerexport INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/home/user/MyDocs'02:57
DocScrutinizerin /etc/init.d/ke-recv02:57
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: I haven't checked how and when these env vars are passed to g_file_storage.ko, but I guess it's the best point to implement your alternative image selector thingie, just make sure the vars are evaluated *after* you redefine them, if nothing else helps then by rmmod/modprobe g_file_storage.ko after setting them to new value03:31
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Termanagood morning03:44
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: forget my prev notes about env vars04:07
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DocScrutinizermodprobe -r g_file_storage04:08
DocScrutinizersleep 104:08
DocScrutinizermodprobe g_file_storage stall=0 luns=2 ro=0 removable04:08
DocScrutinizerecho /dev/mmcblk0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file04:08
DocScrutinizerecho /dev/mmcblk1 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun1/file04:08
DocScrutinizer(courtesy robbiethe1st04:08
* SpeedEvil needs to work out why his n900 doesn't work with his printer.04:09
SpeedEvilI suspect I need a small vfat fs04:10
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SpeedEvilmass storage04:10
DocScrutinizerduh, mass storage04:10
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SpeedEvilI bought a printer cheap - half off - but it was an expensive one - I wasn't sure it had linux drivers.04:11
SpeedEvilBut knew I could print and scan to a memory card.04:11
SpeedEvilInk is cheap though.04:11
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DocScrutinizerqknight_: ouch04:15
DocScrutinizertail -n 11 /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh04:15
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SpeedEvilI should really try to get the linux drivers setup properly - but slackware is annoying.04:18
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GeneralAntillesIs anybody familiar with Polar Mobile's SMART Platform?04:22
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Seta00I tried to install NITDroid on my N900 and something went wrong, now I can't boot the phone on either of the OS'es - the multiboot screen shows two blank options, none of them work (pressing 0 goes to the loading screen but it hangs there forever)04:32
Seta00I'm trying to re-flash it now, but the flasher isnt working04:32
Seta00let me pastebin the output04:32
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Seta00damn, I wish this was a SD card so I could do it from the PC :|04:41
TronicBtw, does anyone know if Alien Dalvik is real?04:41
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TronicSeems more like a concept demo by a company looking for funding than an actual product, and they don't appear to be selling or offering the product anywhere, which is really strange if it actually works.04:42
TronicOr perhaps I haven't looked closely enough.04:43
Tronic(and yes, I am aware of that demo video on Youtube but it could be faked in a number of ways)04:43
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GeneralAntillesWho's seen the last Harry Potter?04:46
prontonot i04:46
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TronicGeneralAntilles: So, is there a Nokia product placement there or what?04:48
GeneralAntillesTronic, no, not topic-relevant at all.04:49
GeneralAntillesBut I saw it last night and I really wish they had gotten some input from Peter Jackson for the movies.04:49
TronicWell, haven't seen almost any Harry Potter movies nor read any of the books but I went to see Bad Teacher today.04:49
TronicYeah, imitating Peter Jackson would definitely be better than imitating George Lucas.04:50
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TronicWho is directing those Harry Potter films anyway?04:51
ShadowJKI think alien dalvik is/was a "buy this company" attempt04:52
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TronicSo it would seem as the only app they ever demoed (in several occassions) was that Photoshop app.05:00
Tronic+ some icons of other apps but not the apps itself.05:01
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GeneralAntillesTronic, no idea.05:03
GeneralAntillesNobody who seems to want to make a big name for themselves.05:03
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Seta00what can cause the flashing process to fail after "Booting device into flash mode."?05:04
DocScrutinizerSeta00: please read05:05
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
DocScrutinizerthe *complete* page05:05
* Seta00 reads the *complete* page for the fifth time05:05
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DocScrutinizerthen honestly you need to read05:06
infobotrumour has it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
Seta00I posted the commented output of flasher and I'm more than happy to provide any additional information you may need05:07
Seta00I'm following the recommended steps on that page, I tried the recommended process on the flasher README05:08
Seta00it all ends in the same result05:08
DocScrutinizerSeta00: reboot your PC, make sure you got no conflicting modules loading05:11
Seta00I did that right before trying to flash it05:11
Seta00I've got cdc{,_phonet} blacklisted05:12
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DocScrutinizerwhat's in syslog?05:12
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Seta00I dont even know if I send this phone to nokia, I won it during a software convention so I dont have any receipts :|05:17
DocScrutinizerI'm frowning at snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib05:20
ShadowJKI don't think they'd take the device05:20
ShadowJKOddly I've flashed N900 fine from a PC that with the same settings accesses "PC Suite mode" fine05:21
DocScrutinizerI suggest you detach all USB devices (unless absolutely needed), then reboot, and immediately start flasher and plug in N900, then paste the syslog beginning some lines prior to starting flasher05:22
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DocScrutinizeraslo what distro is that? there seem to be known unknown issues with a few of them05:23
Seta00DocScrutinizer, all USB devices I have connected are the keyboard and the mouse05:23
Seta00this is Fedora 1505:23
DocScrutinizerhmm, not one of the distros notorious to act up on flashing05:23
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Seta00when it says "Booting the device into flashing mode" the USB symbol disappears and the phone reboots05:27
Seta00if I choose one of the blank options on the multiboot screen it reboots05:28
Seta00if I press 0 it reboots05:28
Seta00guess I'm gonna try to talk with nokia tomorrow05:28
Seta00although I've heard their support here is not the best hehe05:29
Seta00DocScrutinizer, thanks for the help05:29
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DocScrutinizerSeta00: the phone exiting USB symbol mode aka flashing-mode usually means yiur battery is too weak05:31
Seta00DocScrutinizer, yeah, I thought that was the cause when I first tried a few days ago, but I've charged it using a universal charger yesterday05:32
Seta00I can't know for sure if that thing really charged it, though05:32
* Seta00 wishes he had a multimeter now05:32
DocScrutinizerSeta00: look, phone will stay in flashing mode (NOKIA + USBsymbol) even when I use a random wallwart charger05:33
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DocScrutinizerso unless your PC stops delivering VBUS on USB, or the communication gets messed up by either an interfering driver or broken USB EHCI_et_al driver, the phone has to stay in flashing mode. defect cable, poor USB port on PC, and most frequently driver problems on PC side are what you need to sort out05:35
DocScrutinizercheck the link I gave above05:36
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Seta00I did05:40
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Seta00that "file" is a directory05:40
DocScrutinizerwhich "file"?05:43
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Seta00same resut05:43
DocScrutinizerbest try another PC, preferrably with another distro of linux05:44
DocScrutinizersome PCs refuse to work, some distros show unclear issues05:44
Seta00I could try on the uni lab05:44
Seta00but I'll try to contact nokia anyway05:45
Seta00and the guy who gave me the phone :P05:45
DocScrutinizerwell, what shall they do?05:46
DocScrutinizerpoint you to a list of certified PC + Linux distro that are known to work for flashing?05:47
DocScrutinizerSeta00: please check if your device stays in flashing mode when yu hook up to Nokia wallcharger while holding 'u'05:48
Seta00DocScrutinizer, I cant use my nokia wallcharger05:51
Seta00the plug is from outer space05:51
Seta00no, fix it for me?05:51
Seta00at least that's what I would expect if I had bought it05:52
DocScrutinizer51sorry then, I dont know how I can help when plug is from outer space05:53
DocScrutinizer51you can use any usb charger to check if N900 acts 'normal' wrt staying in flashing mode05:55
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Seta00DocScrutinizer, yes, it does05:56
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Seta00just like it does on the PC05:56
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DocScrutinizerSeta00: please first flash COMBINED image, then repeat the VANILLA flashing06:03
Seta00wo ho ho06:05
Seta00it's actually doing something now06:05
DocScrutinizerif you want to be absolutely sure your system is ok, then you might want to flash COMBINED a second time, after flashing VANILLA succeeded06:07
Seta00DocScrutinizer: do I need to take extra caution? the wiki page says that I must flash the vanilla image *immediately* after the reboot06:07
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DocScrutinizerSeta00: the flashing of vanilla will erase /opt. Flashing of COMBINED makes device create /opt on next boot *only*06:08
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Seta00CMT flashed successfully06:09
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DocScrutinizerso if you flash COMBINED first and then (by accident) "boot" the device, and *tehn* flash VANILLA, your /opt will be gone06:09
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Seta00DocScrutinizer: so I can flash vanilla right away? because I can't turn it off06:10
Seta00even if I hold it for 8+ seconds it wont shut down06:10
DocScrutinizerwhere boot=screen with NOKIA *AND* USB symbol vanishing for any arbitrarily short time06:10
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DocScrutinizeryes, unless you unplugged it you should be able to flash vanilla immediately06:10
DocScrutinizerif you unplugged it, it started to boot06:11
DocScrutinizeryou still can flash vanilla, but you need to redo the combined flash after that then06:11
Seta00I didnt unplug it06:12
Seta00I started the vanilla flash06:12
Seta00and the device booted06:12
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Seta00k so I'm gonna try vanilla now06:13
Seta00same error :(06:14
DocScrutinizerplease pastebin the combined flashing process output06:15
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SpeedEvilOh - misread.06:15
DocScrutinizerthe whole session06:15
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Seta00at least it's different error now06:17
Seta00USB device found found at bus 005, device address 010.06:17
Seta00Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory06:17
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DocScrutinizertry doing the combined flashing again, then immediately issue the vanilla flasher cmd when combined is finished06:18
DocScrutinizerodds are the "reboot" now caused loading of some driver on your PC and now even flashing combined will fail06:19
DocScrutinizeralso an occasional glance at syslog will probably help06:20
DocScrutinizeryou'd notice it from the driver printing debug logs there when it gets loaded06:21
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Seta00ok, the combined flash is working06:23
DocScrutinizerwatch syslog06:23
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Seta00same result06:27
Seta00syslog shows the phone disconnecting and then connecting in pc suite mode06:27
DocScrutinizerthat means it reboots06:28
Seta00DocScrutinizer, it does, right after I try to flash the vanilla image06:28
Seta00more precisely, after "Booting device into flash mode."06:28
Seta00I wonder if this image is corrupted or something06:30
DocScrutinizeryeah, for some reason the USB device for flashing-mode doesn't come up on your PC. strange06:30
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DocScrutinizerI rather think along the line of
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hiemanshuSeta00: windows PC?06:32
DocScrutinizeror cdc_phonet module getting loaded or already loaded on you rPC06:33
DocScrutinizernah, fedora1506:33
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hiemanshuah, you have to do a sudo06:34
DocScrutinizerI never noticed the flasher is booting the system "into flashing-mode" for eMMC/VANILLA06:34
Seta00DocScrutinizer, cdc_phonet and phonet are blacklisted06:34
DocScrutinizeralways thought this is done via NOLO06:34
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DocScrutinizerSeta00: you told that06:34
hiemanshuSeta00: ah ok06:34
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: it always does that from the image06:34
DocScrutinizerstill the symptoms are like it was there06:35
hiemanshuSeta00: do you do the press U, insert cable way?06:35
Seta00why does it only need to boot into flashing mode when I'm flashing the vanilla image?06:35
Seta00hiemanshu, yes06:35
hiemanshuSeta00: what is the exact command you use to flash?06:36
Seta00./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f06:36
DocScrutinizerobviously partitioning and formatting of eMMC is done via "normal linux maemo system"06:36
Seta00./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f06:36
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: you got backscroll? please check the pastebins of Seta0006:37
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hiemanshuSeta00: your last pastebin shows you did combined first and then vanilla, isn't it supposed to be the other way round?06:39
Seta00DocScrutinizer told me to try that way06:39
Seta00vanilla doesnt work anyway06:39
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: up til today everybody told me and I thought it's basically irrelevant which sequence you use to flash, as long as you don't boot. But obviously the Vanilla flashing relies on a working rootfs, so it _can_not_ work to flash vanilla first when you thoroughly messed up the system06:41
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Seta00the word you want is 'cannot' :)06:42
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: sure, but then you do rootfs, vanilla, rootfs06:43
DocScrutinizerat least the "booting device into flash mode" part suggests you need a working rootfs on device06:43
DocScrutinizeryes, that's what I suggested to Seta0006:43
hiemanshuyou have to do that way when you have meego on your eMMC and want maemo back06:43
Seta00do you guys have some other suggestion? otherwise I'm calling this a day, it's almost 1AM and I have to wake up at 7 :|06:43
Seta00we can try more of this exciting stuff tomorrow06:44
DocScrutinizerI'm short of "simple" solutions for the "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory" problem06:45
hiemanshuSeta00: plug it back in, do a lsusb before starting the flashing, and once after the flashing has started06:45
DocScrutinizerbut it more than ever indicates the problem is on your PC OS06:45
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I use fedora 15, works fine every single time06:46
DocScrutinizerSeta00: just one suggestion, unplug and replug06:46
Seta00hiemanshu, the combined flash?06:46
hiemanshuSeta00: no, vanilla06:46
Seta00well the flashing never starts06:46
hiemanshuyes, after running the command06:46
DocScrutinizerSeta00: unplug, remove battery to power down immediately06:46
DocScrutinizerreinsert battery and replug, while flasher waiting for device on VANILLA flashing06:47
hiemanshugah, CSSU wont install without it getting me to create backups, and after I create backup, it does nothing :/06:47
hiemanshuSeta00: now redo the vanilla flasher command please?06:50
hiemanshuwithout making any changes06:50
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hiemanshuI remember this happened once for me, I re-ran the command and it worked06:50
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Seta00hiemanshu, the last output was "Using flashing protocol Mk II."06:51
DocScrutinizerSeta00: you obviously had device plugged in before you started flasher VANILLA06:51
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yeah, the lsusb output is just fine06:52
hiemanshuSeta00: after that?06:52
Seta00hiemanshu, yes06:52
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: just fine for a procedure not suggested here06:52
hiemanshuSeta00: nothing after the 'using ...'06:52
Seta00DocScrutinizer, if I plug it after I start the flasher, it does "Booting device into flash mode.06:53
Seta00Suitable USB device not found, waiting."06:53
Seta00and reboots06:53
Seta00then "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory"06:53
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DocScrutinizeryes, that's expected, as it shall "boot into flashing mode" - says flasher06:53
DocScrutinizerand the error claiming USB is just weird06:54
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I have always does it this way, and it always worked06:54
Seta00ugh, so close06:54
hiemanshuits not weird, it just cannot find the phone anymore where its expected to be06:54
Seta00and this stupid timeout - the weird thing is, it starts the data transfer after the maemo loading screen shows up06:54
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: no, this is actually an error never before reported AFAIK06:55
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I got it a few times, hit up, and enter, and it worked06:55
Seta00it sends exactly 1 data block06:55
Seta00after 1024 bytes it times out06:55
DocScrutinizerrestart the command06:55
Seta00kilobytes *06:55
DocScrutinizerright away06:55
DocScrutinizerredo for up to 5 times06:56
* Seta00 does while [ true ]; do ...06:56
hiemanshuSeta00: lsmod | grep phone06:57
hiemanshujust so we can remove it out of the way06:57
Seta00I posted the full output of lsmod06:57
Seta00it's 10 lines06:57
DocScrutinizerdon't you think scripting the process would be step2 after establishing it manually with success06:57
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I already have it scripted06:57
hiemanshufor myself though06:58
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: are you having problems flashing VANILLA right now?06:58
DocScrutinizeror are we trying to help Seta0006:58
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yes I am, the vanilla ice cream in my freezer wont flash :/06:58
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Seta00thanks DocScrutinizer :)06:59
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Seta00btw, this is completely random, the flasher cycles through three different errors06:59
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Seta00anyway, I'm following DocScrutinizer's lead now, good night hiemanshu :)07:04
Seta00hopefully it'll work on the uni lab computer07:05
Seta00gonna try on the work computer too07:05
DocScrutinizerSeta00: flash COMBINED, boot up, wait 5min until boot completely finished. then retry flashing VANILLA07:08
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DocScrutinizerI suspect device is terribly busy with creating /opt07:09
DocScrutinizerand it actually couldn't flash eMMC when /opt is mounted07:09
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Seta00DocScrutinizer: the boot screen hangs07:09
Seta00I'm just gonna leave it there for a few minutes07:10
DocScrutinizeryes, it's hanging for some 5min on first boot07:10
DocScrutinizerthat's the rationale why I say let it boot before trying to flash VANILLA07:10
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DocScrutinizerI never tried flashing VANILLA under a PR1.3 system, seems they completely changed the concept07:11
DocScrutinizerI'm pretty sure it didn't show normal maemo bootscreen when I flashed VANILLA back when07:12
DocScrutinizeranyway that's like 1 year ago now07:13
DocScrutinizerprobably longer07:13
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DocScrutinizernow I see why all multiboot users where whining about flashing is so terribly failing or complicated for them. Multiboot has potential to mess up "flashing-mode" completely07:15
Seta00hm, combined flash is faster now07:15
Seta00(I rebooted the PC)07:15
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Seta00yeah I'm sticking with maemo now lol07:16
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Seta00not gonna go through all of this just because I mispelled something in a config file07:16
Seta00k, combined is done, gonna unplug and boot it07:16
DocScrutinizerwait til it completely settles07:17
DocScrutinizerthen shut down, and try flashing VANILLA07:17
DocScrutinizerthen combined once more, as you *always* need to flash combined when you flashed vanilla after a boot07:18
Seta00it didnt hang now07:18
Seta00it's loading07:19
DocScrutinizerI.E. flashing combined gets invalidated by booting. So after flashing VANILLA now you have to do an fresh COMBINED flash07:19
Seta00yay I'm on settings07:20
Seta00should I fill them in?07:20
DocScrutinizersure, that's expected after succeeding COMBINED flash07:20
DocScrutinizermeh, forget it07:20
DocScrutinizerbut you'Re good to shut down now07:21
DocScrutinizerthen knock on wood and try flashing VANILLA07:21
* Seta00 crosses fingers07:21
Seta00uh. why do I need vanilla again?07:22
Seta00it looks like it's fine07:22
DocScrutinizeryou said you want to flash it07:22
Seta00well I want it working07:23
DocScrutinizerfrequently you don't want to flash vanilla07:23
DocScrutinizerwell, you could try to flash vanilla now, just to know if it works now07:23
Seta00well, everything is looking just like when I got it07:23
* Seta00 checks version07:23
DocScrutinizerflashing combined obviously is no problem for you now, so you can redo it any time, even when flashing vanilla would ruin your current system07:24
Seta00what is vanilla for then?07:24
DocScrutinizerfor MyDocs07:24
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DocScrutinizerformatting it and filling it with a few movies etc07:25
Seta00no, this is actually better07:25
Seta00I still have my files07:25
Seta00under MyDocs07:25
DocScrutinizeralso resetting you home to default07:25
Seta00let me see if nitdroid is still here07:25
Seta00home is definitely reset07:26
Seta00nah, android is gone07:26
Seta00I have MyDocs, default settings07:26
Seta00it actually turned out better than I imagined in the end!07:27
Seta00DocScrutinizer: thanks for all the help man, and sorry for taking all this time07:27
DocScrutinizerjust we still don't know why vanilla blew chunks ;-D07:27
Seta00if you ever come to brazil, give me a shout and I'll pay you a beer :D07:27
Seta00now I gotta sleep or I'll be late for work07:28
Seta00good night!07:28
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: did I manage to piss you off before?07:29
DocScrutinizernot really07:29
hiemanshuah ok, cool, I dont want to get on your bad side :)07:30
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dm8tbrone can never own enough hard-drive space07:39
DocScrutinizermorning dm8tbr07:40
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dm8tbrgood moaning DocScrutinizer07:45
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fusitoo hot08:23
fusicant sleep08:23
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fusiwhere does esbox/eclipse's 'import from debian repo' wizard get its sources from?10:28
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RST38hWell. Moo.11:02
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fusirescued that vm image11:07
fusidunno what i did to it11:07
fusibut stuff 'works' in it11:07
fusithis new fresh image ive got, nothing works :(11:08
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fusibut the old image is really knackered now :(11:08
robbiethe1stNo old backups?11:08
fusiive got snapshots to go back to yea11:08
fusibut id prefer a more stable base tbh11:08
fusitrying to recreate the build env11:08
fusibut i cant remember what i did11:08
fusifor some reason, i cant see all the armel packages11:09
fusiin the import from dep repo wizard in eclipse11:09
fusibut i can in the old vm image11:09
fusiive got no idea where its pulling the info from11:09
fusias a result i cant pull the package i need with the correct target11:10
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fusiits all a bit pete tong11:10
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_trinehow can I change the audio codec Bluetooth uses to a better one12:05
_trineskkpe audio is not very good12:06
_trineon my Bluetooth headphones and it is perfect on skype using my netbook12:06
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fusimaemo@maemo-desktop:~$ fakeroot apt-get install12:29
fusiE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)12:29
fusiE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?12:29
fusi^ i shouldnt be getting that should i12:29
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ruskieyou should12:31
ruskiesince you're not root12:31
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fusithings are becoming clearer12:38
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SpeedEvilDoes anyone know anything about s40? I'm wondering - one of the things pushed for the 'next billion' was a web proxy with compression.13:32
SpeedEvilIt would be quite nice to be able to run this in some manner on the n900/n9/n95013:32
robbiethe1stOpera Mobile?13:33
SpeedEvilNot quite.13:33
SpeedEvilBut similar.13:33
SpeedEvilIt would be nice to be able to use the already existing platform for arbitrary browsers.13:34
SpeedEvilAdmittedly, with a local thing to talk to the proxy.13:34
cehtehi was thinking about installing polypo on my server and acccess it through compressed openvpn13:34
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SpeedEvilNot finding polypo13:35
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cehtehpolipo :)13:35
cehtehit does proper piplineing other than other proxies13:35
cehtehfar less tcp/ip handshakes13:36
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cehtehmay be the second best thing after operas propietary compression13:37
SpeedEvilI think I've gone on about my compressing idea in the past.13:37
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cehtehwhen i browse the web over 3g the most slow things are name lookups and tcp handshakes .. the data itself is just as is, if you can compress it, fine but bulk data like jpeg are already compressed13:38
cehteha propietary technology like opera uses mas squelch a bit more out of it .. but i prefer a open solution13:39
cehtehwell, i didnt tested this yet13:39
SpeedEvil is an old outline of the iea13:39
SpeedEvilBasically - massive (250M) cache mirrored on server and phone.13:40
SpeedEvilAny new page request is supplied as diffs against the cache.13:40
cehtehwell .. sure, nice idea, but you have to have that big cache on the phone, it will take some cpu to put pages together later and only works when you surf pages already in cache with few changes13:42
cehtehmay work but is a lot effort13:42
cehtehfor few cases13:42
SpeedEvilSure. 250M isn't an issue for n900 or n9 though.13:42
SpeedEvilAll the hard work is on the serverside.13:43
cehtehwell and this has to be reasonable faster than the 3G connection :P13:43
SpeedEvilNot only.13:43
SpeedEvilSometimes you're not looking for speed, but low bandwith.13:43
cehtehdiffing is harder than patching yes ,, but still some work on the n90013:43
SpeedEvilAlmost none.13:43
cehtehwell if you think, go for it13:44
SpeedEvilI do, it's on my stack.13:44
cehtehwell you could 'normalize' html (stripping any unneeded whitespaces)13:44
cehtehthen get the html tree and cache single entities13:45
SpeedEvilSimply compressing the stream will buy you a moderate amount, yes.13:45
SpeedEvilThe idea is something like that, yes.13:45
SpeedEvilMy initial tests used splitting on <13:45
SpeedEvilWhich worked well.13:45
cehtehi guess so ..13:46
cehtehi just wonder how much it works in real when one visits pages not visited before13:46
cehtehpossibly opera does similar things13:47
SpeedEvilPersonally, when mobile, the vast majority of sites I visit are ones I've accessed before.13:47
cehtehi just think this is a quite demanding project you cant do on a afternoon13:47
SpeedEvilI'm checking on ebay listings, comparing prices on tesco, ...13:47
SpeedEviland yes13:47
SpeedEvilI'm not browsing randomly around the web as I might at home.13:47
cehtehwell maybe you can integrate that into polipo or some other existing software13:48
SpeedEvilAn of course, I'm much much more likely to tolerate images being smashed down to 160*16013:48
SpeedEvilI'm working on a proof of concept.13:48
cehtehwhat implementaton language?13:49
SpeedEvilTo do the numbers based on a wwwoffle cache.13:49
SpeedEvilNot live.13:49
SpeedEvilIn the hopes that I can push someone developing a web proxy to implement the idea.13:49
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cehtehnot me :P13:51
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cityLightswhats up?14:19
MohammadAGYeah, AC helps though :p14:19
cityLightsas I wasnt around here for a month or so - what did I miss?14:20
cityLightsdid you release a new cssu?14:20
MohammadAGnope, nothing much I guess14:20
cityLightsyou finished with your studies - right?14:21
MohammadAGfor now14:22
Arkenoiwill hildon with portrait mode be included in CSSU? it looks reasonably stable now14:22
MohammadAGyes, it's already merged on gitorious14:22
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cityLightsthe modest crash fix is more importent to me14:25
cityLightsI got another wierd idea14:25
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cityLightscan I hack meego on to the google tv?14:26
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cityLightsdid more developpers here got their n950 (except me)14:26
cityLightshave "we" move on to meego?14:26
ArkenoiMohammadAG, is there ETA for repository update?14:27
MohammadAGArkenoi, this week14:27
MohammadAGModest, patches welcome :)14:28
fusiliking googles 2-phase login thingy14:35
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cityLightssevral application now need it14:36
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MohammadAG843M./.xchat2/xchatlogs wtf14:41
hiemanshuno log rotations?14:41
hiemanshuMohammadAG: you could archive the old ones14:41
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* ShadowJK decided to delete all and turn it off14:42
MohammadAGerr, it logs server messages14:43
MohammadAGthat's dumb, 350MBs14:43
fusiirssi ftw14:43
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otwieraczThere are any drivers for Maemo Diablo to support FT232 USB-to-serial chip?14:47
otwieracz(n810 as USB host)14:47
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Arkenoiapmd died on my phone, how can i restart it?14:52
cityLightsI removed it14:52
cityLightssomething went wrong after last upgrade14:53
cityLightsa few days back14:53
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fusiyay for maintainer status \o/15:22
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fusiive sorted out my environment now15:23
fusia bit more rtfm and sleep helped15:23
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ruskie <-- hmm15:37
ruskie"the open phone"15:37
fusinot intersted at all15:38
fusiplan to keep my n900 for _______years15:39
fusitotally love it, said it b4, but i do ^^15:40
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cityLightscan the n900 do 5Mb data?15:40
fusi5mb data what?15:40
cityLightsI am doing 2.8Mb now15:40
fusitransfer speed i assume u mean15:40
fusion hsdpa i would imagine so15:41
cityLightsI now get 2.8Mb download 1Mb upload15:41
cityLightsdoes hsdpa , alllow two "flavors"?15:41
* fusi strokes hiemanshu 15:42
cityLightscan anyone advice which cellular data to get in Rome/15:42
cityLightsfusi: ask an italian....15:42
MohammadAGoh nice, Segmentation fault in kernel15:43
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hiemanshuhey fusi15:43
fusigot a working build env \o/15:44
fusibut i am lacking sleep as a consequence15:45
hiemanshumeh, sleep is for the weak15:45
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fusiby definition :p15:45
fusigot 3 hrs between 3 and 615:45
fusiim all floaty ~-~15:46
hiemanshuhave some coffee15:46
fusidoesnt actually work on me :(15:46
fusistill feel sleepy15:46
fusibut just feel cold/shivery :\15:46
fusitwitchy heh15:46
fusii prefer tea :)15:47
hiemanshuah, that only sleep can fix15:47
hiemanshuyeah, I like tea too15:47
ruskiecaffinee doesn't work on me as well15:47
RST38hMohammad: Harmattan kernel? =015:47
fusiis it the dr peppers...15:47
fusigonna go play some k240 (:D) for a bit15:48
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fusitally bais o/15:48
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reenignEesreveRGetting msg "device storage full. remove data to free memory" <- rootfs has become full. what to do now?15:58
MohammadAGremove stuff from rootfs?15:58
MohammadAGmerlin1991, how do I switch branches again?15:59
reenignEesreveRumm... how?15:59
reenignEesreveRapt-get clean doesn't help15:59
reenignEesreveRneither does autoremove15:59
MohammadAGdu -h /root, I'm pretty sure you've stuffed things there16:00
paviwere there any updates to  ? or is everyone crazy about meego and n950 ?16:00
villagerI've seen lots of people not crazy about meego and n95016:01
hiemanshuMohammadAG: swicthing branches in git?16:02
pavivillager, ahh there is still some hope :)16:02
mgedminit's easy to be not crazy whey you see "download app for: iPhone, Android, PC" everywhere16:02
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, cloning a git repo, how do I go between branches?16:03
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: git branch <branchname> if there is a remote branch already16:03
radiofreegit checkout --track -b branchname origin/branchname16:03
hiemanshuMohammadAG: bookmark
hiemanshuradiofree: just git co would work16:05
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reenignEesreveRMohammadAG, nothing in /root except a wepkey16:07
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reenignEesreveRMohammadAG, btw it happened while i was tryng to install hostmode-gui16:13
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_trinethe audio on my Blue tooth headphones is excellent when playing music through them but the audio when using skype is pretty poor,  is there a way to improve this situation??16:15
jacekowski_trine: don't use skype16:17
jacekowski_trine: skype audio is poor16:17
_trineno it isnt16:17
jacekowskiit is on n90016:17
_trineits perfect on my netbook16:17
_trinewell that was my question16:17
jacekowskiit's not same skype as on netbook16:17
jacekowskicheck using wired headphones16:18
_trineso its the N900 implementation of skype thats crap is it16:18
jacekowskino it's skype that's crap16:18
_trineand is there nothing we can do16:18
jacekowskiit requires way too much cpu for even basic call16:19
jacekowskiso on mobile devices they have to use simpler codecs and stuff16:19
_trineso its the skype implementation on the N900 thats crap is it16:19
ShadowJKskype over wifi?16:19
ShadowJKand netradio over wifi and bluetooth headhones doesn't sound crap?16:20
_trinemy net book works really well in the same situation16:20
_trineI have not tried net radio16:21
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_trinemusic played from the N900 SD card is perfect very high quality audio16:21
_trineover BT headphones16:21
_trineand the same is true on my netbook but it also includes skype too16:22
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ShadowJKSkype with wired headphone sounds about same as skype on pc for me16:22
_trineit sounds on skype as though its a low quality codec16:22
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ShadowJKif it uses headset profile over bluetooth I'd imagine it'd sound grubbier, and not at all as good as if it uses a2dp.. and in any case, frequent/heavy traffic on both bt and wifis known to not work well16:23
_trineIjust wondered if there was a way to change the skype codec16:24
_trinethe headset is the Nokia 90516:24
SpeedEvil_trine: What's your impression of the headset?16:27
SpeedEvilDoes it work for calls?16:27
_trinethe headset is fantastic16:28
_trineand yes I use it for calls16:28
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SpeedEvilOh - that's rather more expensive than I'd hoped.16:29
_trineyou can get them now for about £13016:29
_trineI paid a lot more16:29
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SpeedEvilThat's 2 and a bit months food.16:29
* Arkenoi paid about $200 for bh902, damn it is the most sucking headset ever, it does not fit human ear, it was designed by fscking elves16:31
_trinethose headphones have the best audio I have heard and its amazing they work over BT16:32
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cehtehsennheiser px-200 here ... fits me very well and has good sound with meanwhile quite low prices16:35
cehtehfor some users it doesnt fit well i heared16:35
cehtehclosed system is a must for me16:35
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Arkenoikoss porta pro is my portable headphones of choice16:36
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cityLightscan anyone offer advice to which cellular to choose on vacation to rome?16:38
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cityLightsI want to use voice over ip over the ,cellular data16:38
cityLightsno real need for cell calls16:39
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cehtehyou travel a lot :P16:47
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DibblahHrm. On the N900, are there any known bugs regarding Conversations?18:11
DibblahSpecifically, I'm seeing no notifications (sometimes) of incoming texts, etc...18:11
e0xhmm not sure if is a but but something happen when you have the conversation open and in focus18:12
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e0xeven with lock screen18:12
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DocScrutinizerpavi: CSSU is *not* an alternative distro to fremantle. Thus it won't see frequent updates, it only gets things that can not get deployed via normal extras(-*) repository. According to this rationale actually new camera, new mp3player etc all has to get kicked from CSSU rather than get any updates or even additional new apps of same class18:26
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phrykI have substituted my wlan-ap at home and, set my n900 to use dhcp on this net from now on let it reconnect (it did so automatically). I can now ping hosts by dns alias just fine (ie. but can't access them over the browser.19:58
phrykDoes the browser save some kind of resolv.conf for itself somewhere else?19:59
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fladnagDoes anyone know about news  regarding h-e-n ??20:29
fladnag(on n900  ... Idontknow if hen is n900-only)20:30
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SpeedEvilIt is20:30
SpeedEvilWhat do you mean by news20:30
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DocScrutinizernot many news recently20:31
fladnagImean especialy with charging while hosting AND more overall compatiblity !20:31
DocScrutinizercompatibility regarding what?20:31
DocScrutinizeralso see20:31
infobotrumour has it, hostmode-powered is
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DocScrutinizerI'm still not getting around to finish and deploy an augmented script that'd integrate this20:33
fladnagRegarding sticks and harddrives and usb-mice behavir20:33
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DocScrutinizerthat's not even a topic of h-e-n20:33
DocScrutinizerh-e-n is strictly to connect $random_peripheral via USB. Getting it to work by providing the needed drivers etc is not a primary target of h-e-n20:34 ? What's no topic of hen?20:35
Mouseyi miss the n810's OTG usb20:35
DocScrutinizerafter all this problem is exactly the same on N900 as on any arbitrary linux PC. You need the right drivers, install them, configure things, all identical across hw platforms20:35
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DocScrutinizerMousey: where's the difference?20:36
DocScrutinizerMousey: h-e-n is "just as good" as N810 OTG20:37
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fladnagHen is coooool20:37
BluesLeehi, how do i add a poll to a tmo thread?20:37
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: thread-tools menu -> add_poll20:38
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fladnagPlease doc tell me about this boston scripts !20:39
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: there no add poll in my list20:40
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DocScrutinizerfladnag: the script gets called when you hit the "vboost" button in h-e-n GUI. It does the magic to provide 5V to USB. I plan to augment it to also handle charging-hostmode20:40
fladnag:)  irealymeanit20:42
fladnagIfuckinlove my n900 :)20:42
DocScrutinizerfladnag: thanks for the positive feedback20:44
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: do i need to post the thread first as i cant see thread tools there.20:44
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: got it20:44
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: I dunno how to *create* a thread with a poll, I just seen the "add poll" item in the thread tools menu of threads I started20:45
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: the list appears after posting the thread20:46
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fladnag:)  im still getting confused when thinking about hosting WHILE charging ... With a powered hub or something ... Imean isnt it limmited somehow ... Usb has only four lines right ? 2power 2data ... How many does the micro-usb has?20:52
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GadgetoidDamn, now I feel like digging up my n900… but I don't know what to do with it!20:55
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LarsNGadgetoid: why would you bury one of the best phones ever20:58
LarsNGadgetoid: *boggle* :)20:58
GadgetoidActually, it wasn't strictly buried!20:58
LarsNmine is on my desk, within 2 inches of my left wrist right now. :)20:59
LarsNFuture phone is from the past :)20:59
GadgetoidI only use it to see how things are going in this wonderful community ;D21:00
LarsNWhen i finally buy another phone.21:00
GadgetoidI tend to use my N810 more, as an ebook reader21:00
LarsNI'll likely still carry the N900, tethered to the new phone for data.21:00
LarsNI don't see that happening anytime soon.21:00
LarsNmaybe if the Nexus Prime, and ICS are beyond incredible...  I replaced a Nexus One with the N900 :)21:01
GadgetoidI'm tempted by Android at the moment21:01
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fladnagMe too (a bit) ...21:02
GadgetoidHmm, clearly someone in Northumberland has been playing too much Minecraft21:03
fladnagIwould like to realy see the difference in performance with emulators for example ... And the overall performance of n900 is driving me crazy sometimes ...21:04
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fladnag(n900 with maemo5)21:05
GadgetoidI have to say, I'm smitten with the newer emulators on the iPhone21:05
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GadgetoidBut the same emulators are also available for Android21:06
GadgetoidRobert Broglia's emulators… really nice21:06
fladnagIthink there are SOME people ho ARE / have been playing toomuch minecraft ... or similar :d21:06
GadgetoidHmmm, n900 doesn't seem to want to turn on… must be fairly deaded21:08
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover21:08
GadgetoidSpeedEvil: that was pretty quick on the draw there!21:09
SpeedEvilIt's a moderately FAQ21:09
Gadgetoid"Stop trying to turn it on and have patience you fool!" would have worked, too :D21:10
DocScrutinizer~factinfo flatbatrecover21:10
infobotflatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (371 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by SpeedEvil, 1m 33s ago.21:10
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GadgetoidDamn, I forget how good the maemo bunch are ;)21:13
GadgetoidBut I've run off and attached myself to the iControlPad now21:13
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TimmyTWhat are official repositories? May anyone give me a complete list of them? I found  a post in the website but that was old21:36
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lcukTimmyT, main mamoe -devel -testin extras21:43
lcukand I couldn't have typed that with more typos21:43
lcukTimmyT, main maemo -devel -testing extras21:43
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DocScrutinizermeh, I hate it when that happens. prepared to come back and learn he left chan21:57
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GadgetoidDocScrutinizer: haha :D22:05
GadgetoidMy phone LED has gone green now… presumably that means GO, ho ho ho!22:05
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DocScrutinizeryoh ho ho22:05
GadgetoidAnd a bottle of rum?22:06
GadgetoidFaster Application Manager likes to mess with HAM22:06
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DocScrutinizerfapman is known to fail on random occasions22:11
GadgetoidHo ho, you said fap22:12
TimmyT1wat is SDK repository?22:13
DocScrutinizerthis app been known as fapman in the beginning, and it'll stay fapman for me until it dies :-P22:13
DocScrutinizerTimmyT1: HAH there you are22:13
* Gadgetoid wonders if he'll try to copy pasta that URL in as a repo22:14
TimmyT1DocScrutinizer: yep22:14
DocScrutinizerSDK repo? errr, I know tools repo22:14
nussejust using apt-get would be too easy.22:14
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GadgetoidI want yum on my phone!22:14
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Gadgetoid"Unable to download 'Khweeteur'. Application package not found."   Yes/No22:15
TimmyT1means used to install things like find and man command lines?22:15
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DocScrutinizerman and find are in extras-devel22:16
DocScrutinizerstrace and gdb are in tools though22:16
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TimmyT1is aptitude available in official repos?22:16
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search aptitude22:18
DocScrutinizerlibcwidget-dev - high-level terminal interface library for C++ (development files)22:18
DocScrutinizeraptitude-dbg - Debug symbols for the aptitude package manager22:18
DocScrutinizeraptitude - terminal-based package manager22:18
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TimmyT1ok, i just asked for that, kuz im going to change the list of my repos, i wanted to see if aptitude is available in official repos or not22:19
DocScrutinizerapt-cache policy aptitude22:19
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DocScrutinizer  Candidate:
DocScrutinizer  Version table:22:19
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DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages22:19
TimmyT1DocScrutinizer: look , in this page: , it has explained the list of officially repositories, but didn't mention any version for them, like it has fremantle free non-free but didn't mention any version for fremantle like fremantle-1.3 or 1.2. why? should i do this? or fremantle without any version number will include all of its versions?22:23
DocScrutinizererr, good question. I think this has been introduced back before pr1.3 and nowadays fremantle-1.3 is probably a symlink to fremantle22:24
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DocScrutinizerthere should be a fremantle-1.2 for old systems needing to restore apps from extras. Similar repos for extras-(testing|devel) are missing so you can't restore pre-1.3 apps you got from those repos22:26
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DocScrutinizerprobably for now both fremantle and fremantle-1.3 are identical22:27
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TimmyT1so you're saying it is enough to add fremantle? without any verstion number?22:28
TimmyT1errr, version number22:28
TimmyT1ok, i thought if i dun add them, i may miss some apps22:29
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DocScrutinizeryou only want to bother about it IF any day PR1.4 gets the recent distro and you don't like to upgrade to it and raher want to stay on pr1.322:30
DocScrutinizerall AFAIK22:31
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TimmyT1DocScrutinizer: tnx22:38
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if he should create a install file containing *all* repos22:49
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DocScrutinizersimilar to the >>To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click<< on
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DocScrutinizerin that one I only added only extras-trsting extras-devel, tools22:51
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DocScrutinizerfuckushima: 10Sv/h current reading on some free air tube between two blocks23:00
DocScrutinizernot instantly killing, just after 5 min23:01
jacekowskido you have links23:02
cehtehnice place for picknick :P23:02
DocScrutinizerRussia would still send soldiers/teminators with lead hats23:03
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: TV23:03
jacekowskiwell, the thing is that with chernobyl it was either that or molten core would drop into pool of water23:03
jacekowskiand then real shit would hit the fan23:03
cehtehthe 10mS last time where more scary ..23:04
DocScrutinizersame still can happen n fucky23:04
cehtehmeasured in urine samples of some residents from a town nearby23:04
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DocScrutinizerwell I think it's been Japan where a factory poisoned thousands with mercury for decades, and nobody could stop them, nobody even cared23:05
cehtehthat happens at plenty places in the world23:06
DocScrutinizerthe cats were first to go mad and die23:06
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DocScrutinizeras the mercury was in the sea fish and cats at harbour... well you know.23:07
ohookinshi, i'm trying to set up the maemo scratchbox on ubuntu 64bit but get the following errors:23:08
ohookinsdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386:23:08
ohookinsscratchbox-core:i386 depends on python.23:08
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ohookinsi've set it up a few times in the past but haven't seen that error before, any ideas?23:08
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x29aevening, im trying to package a qt program (qtcreator), but it fails with the error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library foo. foo is available, but i have no clue how to tell dpgk where it is, any hints?23:11
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idreameri need help23:16
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idreamermy problem: i have install meego on emmc and now i want go back to maemo but i can't reflash don't work23:20
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x29acan you elaborate on "dont work"?23:24
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x29aidreamer: also, the guys over at #meego might be able to help as well23:24
idreamerx29a: the guys over meego say me to write here :D23:25
idreamerx29a: can you help me?23:25
x29ai still dont know what you tried yet and what "dont work" might be23:25
idreamerin few work. i have install meego on emmc. now i want go back to maemo. the flasher don't work becouse the "usb" mode with "u" don't work23:27
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x29aidreamer: try explaining your problem without the words "dont work"23:48
x29aothers: is there any way (backports?) that maemo5/fremantle is supported by qt mobility 1.2+?23:48
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