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| DocScrutinizer | you perhaps could create a contact in addrbook with number "2" and give this contact a "call" while your dialer is busy with the established call and the call waiting | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unlikely to work | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: just come back reporting, whatever you find out about it, please | 00:01 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if pnatd is locked out on call | 00:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't think so | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah "ATD2<enter>" in pnatd would probably also work, if it works at all | 00:02 |
| Oppo|n900 | Hi guys | 00:02 |
| Oppo|n900 | I'm on a trip | 00:02 |
| Oppo|n900 | and want to develop something | 00:03 |
| Oppo|n900 | What in the best way to do so on a n900? | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of thing? | 00:03 |
| Oppo|n900 | anything | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | You can code in python for example on the device. | 00:03 |
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| Oppo|n900 | I just wanna do some coding | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or awk, shell, even compile C | 00:04 |
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| Oppo|n900 | cool | 00:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | Oppo|n900: I do a lot of python coding in vim on the n900 | 00:06 |
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| Oppo|n900 | I never liked vim | 00:06 |
| Oppo|n900 | I use nano | 00:06 |
| Oppo|n900 | but yea | 00:06 |
| Oppo|n900 | I get your point | 00:06 |
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| sim_ | hi, just truncated my sources.list on my n900, any hints what the defaults should be for freemantle? | 00:33 |
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| qknight_ | hi. what program invokes this dialog: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 01:09 |
| qknight_ | the first dialog when scrolling down with the mouse | 01:09 |
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| qknight_ | nobody? | 01:28 |
| qknight_ | *sigh* | 01:28 |
| qknight_ | maybe ps helps then... | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | qknight_: it's rather that about nobody is around atm | 01:32 |
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| qknight_ | merlin1991: yes, probably right considering it's monday morning ... | 01:33 |
| qknight_ | ;-) | 01:33 |
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| qknight_ | no 'ps' does not help | 01:35 |
| qknight_ | the dialog seems to be coming from an already running application | 01:35 |
| merlin1991 | my bet would be hildon-home | 01:35 |
| merlin1991 | but I have nfc | 01:35 |
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| qknight_ | merlin1991: hildon-home was not bad, but it seems to be /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 01:39 |
| qknight_ | at least when i kill the task on the shell, the gui disappears | 01:39 |
| qknight_ | enough for today | 01:40 |
| qknight_ | good night | 01:40 |
| qknight_ | and thanks a lot | 01:40 |
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| orangey | hello again! | 01:42 |
| orangey | just playing with asui on an n810. | 01:42 |
| orangey | excellent stuff.. | 01:42 |
| orangey | how do I remove the icons for bluetooth, wifi and the battery? | 01:43 |
| orangey | since asui replaces all of those!! | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: afail the menu gets originally started by ke_recv | 01:46 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: can i add another entry into this list? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know, but probably not | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's for sure hardcoded in a binary. Dunno if the source is FOSS | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what other entry could be useful there? | 01:50 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: then maybe i could write my own dialog? | 01:50 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: and call the other if the user wishes? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:50 |
| qknight_ | interesting | 01:50 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: select iso image to boot from would be a nice addition | 01:51 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: i've just experimented with my n900 and i'm now able to boot grml64 from the n900 device | 01:52 |
| qknight_ | via usb attached to my desktop comuter | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, that would mean you need a way to access that iso image from NOLO | 01:52 |
| qknight_ | NOLO? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOkia bootLOader | 01:53 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: no i set a boot image on the n900 device and my other computer boots from the n900 | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 01:53 |
| qknight_ | http://lastlog.de/wiki/index.php/IdeenEcke#usb.2Fbt_client_mode_links | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that means you want to export alternative partitions for the mass storage mode then? | 01:54 |
| qknight_ | exactly | 01:54 |
| qknight_ | via the gui | 01:54 |
| qknight_ | or (a) gui | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought you want to boot N900 from an ISO image ;-P | 01:54 |
| qknight_ | but it would be nice to alter what is there | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I got a process /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu even during normal charge | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not completely convinced this process is the one showing the USB mode selector menu - but I haven't investigated at all yet | 01:56 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: if you have an idea let me know. i'll be reading it tomorrow | 01:57 |
| qknight_ | DocScrutinizer: thanks for all your input | 01:57 |
| qknight_ | \me is now gone ... hopefully | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly a dbus-monitor --system during plugin of USB would help to shed some light on the whole process | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnite | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: check osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably could link in a selector dialog there | 02:00 |
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| chem|st | hum? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: /usr/sbin/ke-recv monitors events in /sys and on kernel at large (here: attached USB cable) and calls the menu (not sure which binary) and then obviously executes /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: muh¿ | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 02:09 |
| chem|st | s/o pinged me days ago... | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: all without warranty for correctness | 02:10 |
| chem|st | guess it was you | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: aah, was just asking if you want to do another few bans on tmo. Except for un-abill-uk it seems all got already sent to \b\ or elsewhere to troll there | 02:11 |
| chem|st | s/o else is doing that for now as ppl started to hunt me again | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: AIUI you can see deleted posts, so you may find http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75343 thread amusing | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | our arab terrorist who breaks USB spare parts out of his dad's phone to glue(1) them to N900 finally gone mental on his trolling nature ;-P | 02:14 |
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| chem|st | "Your just f.ing mental "^^ | 02:15 |
| chem|st | sjgadsby is cleaning the place hu?! | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, pretty rapidly even | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | just un-abill of course didn't leave after his melodramatic "goodbye" | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this guy is resistent against all sorts of bashing, blaming, temporary bands and other frustrating stuff, he simply keeps on flooding tmo ;-D | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bands/bans/. | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""your not god you know"" ;-P | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""nigga they did it again, delete my post. Gonna call my lawyer"" - what a donut | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | seriously tmo is the only forum so far where trolls come up like "I am a troll you **** BEEP *** - ban me ban me BAN ME!!!" | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea if that's the lowest class or the top of trolling | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Funky. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems the inverted the trolling paradigm, see how fast you can get banned, rather than trying to mess up as long as possible without getting banned | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I have got the media player playing an audio file. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | they* | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Without showing its window in the task manager | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh :-D | 02:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think I killed the window at just the right moment | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well mafw will happily continue even when you kill frontend - AIUI | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik it's (the pipe) not even a child process of frontend, so it won't really notice when you kill -9 it | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - from the UI | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Not doing anything wierd. | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can have multiple frontends all in sync regarding the state of mafw backend, and depending on frontend implementation it probably won't stop playback when you close any of those frontends | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | got it | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying frontend probably missed to send a "stop playback" dbus msg on dieing | 02:30 |
| fusi | this is all going horribly wrong | 02:30 |
| fusi | cant use liboauth because it depends on openssl with conflicts with gpl \o/ | 02:31 |
| fusi | which* | 02:31 |
| fusi | so i cant release it | 02:31 |
| fusi | fantubbytastic | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | openssl conflicts with gpl? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 02:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://qdb.us/306481 :) | 02:34 |
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| fusi | DocScrutinizer: thats what ./configure is telling me | 02:35 |
| fusi | SpeedEvil: heh | 02:35 |
| fusi | either way i lost that other vm | 02:36 |
| fusi | and i cant remember what i did now :( | 02:36 |
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| fusi | fed up | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: see | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | # FIXME: these should come from startup scripts | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | export MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/media/mmc1' | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | export INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/home/user/MyDocs' | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | in /etc/init.d/ke-recv | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: I haven't checked how and when these env vars are passed to g_file_storage.ko, but I guess it's the best point to implement your alternative image selector thingie, just make sure the vars are evaluated *after* you redefine them, if nothing else helps then by rmmod/modprobe g_file_storage.ko after setting them to new value | 03:31 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: forget my prev notes about env vars | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r g_file_storage | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sleep 1 | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | modprobe g_file_storage stall=0 luns=2 ro=0 removable | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo /dev/mmcblk0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo /dev/mmcblk1 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun1/file | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | (courtesy robbiethe1st | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 04:09 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to work out why his n900 doesn't work with his printer. | 04:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect I need a small vfat fs | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | IF? | 04:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | USB | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | mass storage | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, mass storage | 04:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I bought a printer cheap - half off - but it was an expensive one - I wasn't sure it had linux drivers. | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | But knew I could print and scan to a memory card. | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Ink is cheap though. | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qknight_: ouch | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | tail -n 11 /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 04:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I should really try to get the linux drivers setup properly - but slackware is annoying. | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is anybody familiar with Polar Mobile's SMART Platform? | 04:22 |
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| Seta00 | I tried to install NITDroid on my N900 and something went wrong, now I can't boot the phone on either of the OS'es - the multiboot screen shows two blank options, none of them work (pressing 0 goes to the loading screen but it hangs there forever) | 04:32 |
| Seta00 | I'm trying to re-flash it now, but the flasher isnt working | 04:32 |
| Seta00 | let me pastebin the output | 04:32 |
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| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/H0GR6ekP | 04:35 |
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| Seta00 | damn, I wish this was a SD card so I could do it from the PC :| | 04:41 |
| Tronic | Btw, does anyone know if Alien Dalvik is real? | 04:41 |
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| Tronic | Seems more like a concept demo by a company looking for funding than an actual product, and they don't appear to be selling or offering the product anywhere, which is really strange if it actually works. | 04:42 |
| Tronic | Or perhaps I haven't looked closely enough. | 04:43 |
| Tronic | (and yes, I am aware of that demo video on Youtube but it could be faked in a number of ways) | 04:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who's seen the last Harry Potter? | 04:46 |
| pronto | not i | 04:46 |
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| Tronic | GeneralAntilles: So, is there a Nokia product placement there or what? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tronic, no, not topic-relevant at all. | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I saw it last night and I really wish they had gotten some input from Peter Jackson for the movies. | 04:49 |
| Tronic | Well, haven't seen almost any Harry Potter movies nor read any of the books but I went to see Bad Teacher today. | 04:49 |
| Tronic | Yeah, imitating Peter Jackson would definitely be better than imitating George Lucas. | 04:50 |
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| Tronic | Who is directing those Harry Potter films anyway? | 04:51 |
| ShadowJK | I think alien dalvik is/was a "buy this company" attempt | 04:52 |
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| Tronic | So it would seem as the only app they ever demoed (in several occassions) was that Photoshop app. | 05:00 |
| Tronic | + some icons of other apps but not the apps itself. | 05:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tronic, no idea. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody who seems to want to make a big name for themselves. | 05:03 |
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| Seta00 | what can cause the flashing process to fail after "Booting device into flash mode."? | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: please read | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 05:05 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the *complete* page | 05:05 |
| * Seta00 reads the *complete* page for the fifth time | 05:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | then honestly you need to read | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 05:06 |
| infobot | rumour has it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 05:06 |
| Seta00 | I posted the commented output of flasher and I'm more than happy to provide any additional information you may need | 05:07 |
| Seta00 | I'm following the recommended steps on that page, I tried the recommended process on the flasher README | 05:08 |
| Seta00 | it all ends in the same result | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: reboot your PC, make sure you got no conflicting modules loading | 05:11 |
| Seta00 | I did that right before trying to flash it | 05:11 |
| Seta00 | I've got cdc{,_phonet} blacklisted | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's in syslog? | 05:12 |
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| Seta00 | sec | 05:14 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/2t5jzMce | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsmod? | 05:16 |
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| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/9cdTZZRu | 05:17 |
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| Seta00 | I dont even know if I send this phone to nokia, I won it during a software convention so I dont have any receipts :| | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm frowning at snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib | 05:20 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think they'd take the device | 05:20 |
| ShadowJK | Oddly I've flashed N900 fine from a PC that with the same settings accesses "PC Suite mode" fine | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you detach all USB devices (unless absolutely needed), then reboot, and immediately start flasher and plug in N900, then paste the syslog beginning some lines prior to starting flasher | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aslo what distro is that? there seem to be known unknown issues with a few of them | 05:23 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, all USB devices I have connected are the keyboard and the mouse | 05:23 |
| Seta00 | this is Fedora 15 | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not one of the distros notorious to act up on flashing | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 05:24 |
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| Seta00 | when it says "Booting the device into flashing mode" the USB symbol disappears and the phone reboots | 05:27 |
| Seta00 | if I choose one of the blank options on the multiboot screen it reboots | 05:28 |
| Seta00 | if I press 0 it reboots | 05:28 |
| Seta00 | guess I'm gonna try to talk with nokia tomorrow | 05:28 |
| Seta00 | although I've heard their support here is not the best hehe | 05:29 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the help | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: the phone exiting USB symbol mode aka flashing-mode usually means yiur battery is too weak | 05:31 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I thought that was the cause when I first tried a few days ago, but I've charged it using a universal charger yesterday | 05:32 |
| Seta00 | I can't know for sure if that thing really charged it, though | 05:32 |
| * Seta00 wishes he had a multimeter now | 05:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: look, phone will stay in flashing mode (NOKIA + USBsymbol) even when I use a random wallwart charger | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so unless your PC stops delivering VBUS on USB, or the communication gets messed up by either an interfering driver or broken USB EHCI_et_al driver, the phone has to stay in flashing mode. defect cable, poor USB port on PC, and most frequently driver problems on PC side are what you need to sort out | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the link I gave above | 05:36 |
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| Seta00 | I did | 05:40 |
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| Seta00 | that "file" is a directory | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which "file"? | 05:43 |
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| Seta00 | same resut | 05:43 |
| Seta00 | result* | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | best try another PC, preferrably with another distro of linux | 05:44 |
| Seta00 | eek | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | some PCs refuse to work, some distros show unclear issues | 05:44 |
| Seta00 | I could try on the uni lab | 05:44 |
| Seta00 | but I'll try to contact nokia anyway | 05:45 |
| Seta00 | and the guy who gave me the phone :P | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, what shall they do? | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | point you to a list of certified PC + Linux distro that are known to work for flashing? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: please check if your device stays in flashing mode when yu hook up to Nokia wallcharger while holding 'u' | 05:48 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, I cant use my nokia wallcharger | 05:51 |
| Seta00 | the plug is from outer space | 05:51 |
| Seta00 | :P | 05:51 |
| Seta00 | no, fix it for me? | 05:51 |
| Seta00 | at least that's what I would expect if I had bought it | 05:52 |
| Seta00 | heh | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry then, I dont know how I can help when plug is from outer space | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can use any usb charger to check if N900 acts 'normal' wrt staying in flashing mode | 05:55 |
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| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, yes, it does | 05:56 |
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| Seta00 | just like it does on the PC | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: please first flash COMBINED image, then repeat the VANILLA flashing | 06:03 |
| Seta00 | wo ho ho | 06:05 |
| Seta00 | it's actually doing something now | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to be absolutely sure your system is ok, then you might want to flash COMBINED a second time, after flashing VANILLA succeeded | 06:07 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer: do I need to take extra caution? the wiki page says that I must flash the vanilla image *immediately* after the reboot | 06:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: the flashing of vanilla will erase /opt. Flashing of COMBINED makes device create /opt on next boot *only* | 06:08 |
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| Seta00 | CMT flashed successfully | 06:09 |
| Seta00 | yay | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if you flash COMBINED first and then (by accident) "boot" the device, and *tehn* flash VANILLA, your /opt will be gone | 06:09 |
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| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer: so I can flash vanilla right away? because I can't turn it off | 06:10 |
| Seta00 | even if I hold it for 8+ seconds it wont shut down | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | where boot=screen with NOKIA *AND* USB symbol vanishing for any arbitrarily short time | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, unless you unplugged it you should be able to flash vanilla immediately | 06:10 |
| Seta00 | UGH | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you unplugged it, it started to boot | 06:11 |
| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/8vS7BwjS | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you still can flash vanilla, but you need to redo the combined flash after that then | 06:11 |
| Seta00 | I didnt unplug it | 06:12 |
| Seta00 | I started the vanilla flash | 06:12 |
| Seta00 | and the device booted | 06:12 |
| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/BSaBMwNZ | 06:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 06:13 |
| Seta00 | k so I'm gonna try vanilla now | 06:13 |
| Seta00 | same error :( | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | please pastebin the combined flashing process output | 06:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - misread. | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole session | 06:15 |
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| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/e9tjFHrY | 06:16 |
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| Seta00 | at least it's different error now | 06:17 |
| Seta00 | USB device found found at bus 005, device address 010. | 06:17 |
| Seta00 | Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory | 06:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try doing the combined flashing again, then immediately issue the vanilla flasher cmd when combined is finished | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are the "reboot" now caused loading of some driver on your PC and now even flashing combined will fail | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | also an occasional glance at syslog will probably help | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd notice it from the driver printing debug logs there when it gets loaded | 06:21 |
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| Seta00 | ok, the combined flash is working | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch syslog | 06:23 |
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| Seta00 | same result | 06:27 |
| Seta00 | syslog shows the phone disconnecting and then connecting in pc suite mode | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | that means it reboots | 06:28 |
| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/tctnz2kc | 06:28 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, it does, right after I try to flash the vanilla image | 06:28 |
| Seta00 | more precisely, after "Booting device into flash mode." | 06:28 |
| Seta00 | I wonder if this image is corrupted or something | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, for some reason the USB device for flashing-mode doesn't come up on your PC. strange | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I rather think along the line of http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#USB | 06:32 |
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| hiemanshu | Seta00: windows PC? | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cdc_phonet module getting loaded or already loaded on you rPC | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, fedora15 | 06:33 |
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| hiemanshu | ah, you have to do a sudo | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never noticed the flasher is booting the system "into flashing-mode" for eMMC/VANILLA | 06:34 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, cdc_phonet and phonet are blacklisted | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | always thought this is done via NOLO | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: you told that | 06:34 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: ah ok | 06:34 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: it always does that from the image | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | still the symptoms are like it was there | 06:35 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: do you do the press U, insert cable way? | 06:35 |
| Seta00 | why does it only need to boot into flashing mode when I'm flashing the vanilla image? | 06:35 |
| Seta00 | hiemanshu, yes | 06:35 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: what is the exact command you use to flash? | 06:36 |
| Seta00 | ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously partitioning and formatting of eMMC is done via "normal linux maemo system" | 06:36 |
| Seta00 | ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: you got backscroll? please check the pastebins of Seta00 | 06:37 |
| Seta00 | ˆ | 06:37 |
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| hiemanshu | Seta00: your last pastebin shows you did combined first and then vanilla, isn't it supposed to be the other way round? | 06:39 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer told me to try that way | 06:39 |
| Seta00 | vanilla doesnt work anyway | 06:39 |
| Seta00 | :P | 06:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: up til today everybody told me and I thought it's basically irrelevant which sequence you use to flash, as long as you don't boot. But obviously the Vanilla flashing relies on a working rootfs, so it _can_not_ work to flash vanilla first when you thoroughly messed up the system | 06:41 |
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| Seta00 | the word you want is 'cannot' :) | 06:42 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: sure, but then you do rootfs, vanilla, rootfs | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least the "booting device into flash mode" part suggests you need a working rootfs on device | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's what I suggested to Seta00 | 06:43 |
| hiemanshu | you have to do that way when you have meego on your eMMC and want maemo back | 06:43 |
| Seta00 | do you guys have some other suggestion? otherwise I'm calling this a day, it's almost 1AM and I have to wake up at 7 :| | 06:43 |
| Seta00 | we can try more of this exciting stuff tomorrow | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm short of "simple" solutions for the "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory" problem | 06:45 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: plug it back in, do a lsusb before starting the flashing, and once after the flashing has started | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it more than ever indicates the problem is on your PC OS | 06:45 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I use fedora 15, works fine every single time | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: just one suggestion, unplug and replug | 06:46 |
| Seta00 | hiemanshu, the combined flash? | 06:46 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: no, vanilla | 06:46 |
| Seta00 | well the flashing never starts | 06:46 |
| hiemanshu | yes, after running the command | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: unplug, remove battery to power down immediately | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | reinsert battery and replug, while flasher waiting for device on VANILLA flashing | 06:47 |
| hiemanshu | gah, CSSU wont install without it getting me to create backups, and after I create backup, it does nothing :/ | 06:47 |
| Seta00 | wtf | 06:48 |
| Seta00 | weird | 06:48 |
| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/JpGNkLhF | 06:49 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: now redo the vanilla flasher command please? | 06:50 |
| hiemanshu | without making any changes | 06:50 |
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| hiemanshu | I remember this happened once for me, I re-ran the command and it worked | 06:50 |
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| Seta00 | hiemanshu, the last output was "Using flashing protocol Mk II." | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: you obviously had device plugged in before you started flasher VANILLA | 06:51 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the lsusb output is just fine | 06:52 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: after that? | 06:52 |
| Seta00 | hiemanshu, yes | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: just fine for a procedure not suggested here | 06:52 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: nothing after the 'using ...' | 06:52 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer, if I plug it after I start the flasher, it does "Booting device into flash mode. | 06:53 |
| Seta00 | Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 06:53 |
| Seta00 | and reboots | 06:53 |
| Seta00 | then "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory" | 06:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's expected, as it shall "boot into flashing mode" - says flasher | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the error claiming USB is just weird | 06:54 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I have always does it this way, and it always worked | 06:54 |
| Seta00 | ugh, so close | 06:54 |
| hiemanshu | its not weird, it just cannot find the phone anymore where its expected to be | 06:54 |
| Seta00 | and this stupid timeout - the weird thing is, it starts the data transfer after the maemo loading screen shows up | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: no, this is actually an error never before reported AFAIK | 06:55 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I got it a few times, hit up, and enter, and it worked | 06:55 |
| Seta00 | it sends exactly 1 data block | 06:55 |
| Seta00 | after 1024 bytes it times out | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | restart the command | 06:55 |
| Seta00 | kilobytes * | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | right away | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | redo for up to 5 times | 06:56 |
| * Seta00 does while [ true ]; do ... | 06:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 06:56 |
| hiemanshu | Seta00: lsmod | grep phone | 06:57 |
| hiemanshu | just so we can remove it out of the way | 06:57 |
| Seta00 | I posted the full output of lsmod | 06:57 |
| Seta00 | it's 10 lines | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you think scripting the process would be step2 after establishing it manually with success | 06:57 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I already have it scripted | 06:57 |
| hiemanshu | for myself though | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: are you having problems flashing VANILLA right now? | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or are we trying to help Seta00 | 06:58 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yes I am, the vanilla ice cream in my freezer wont flash :/ | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnite | 06:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer afk | 06:59 | |
| Seta00 | awh | 06:59 |
| Seta00 | thanks DocScrutinizer :) | 06:59 |
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| hiemanshu | what! | 06:59 |
| Seta00 | btw, this is completely random, the flasher cycles through three different errors | 06:59 |
| Seta00 | haha | 06:59 |
| hiemanshu | like? | 07:00 |
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| Seta00 | http://pastebin.com/SEXgzaFT | 07:02 |
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| Seta00 | anyway, I'm following DocScrutinizer's lead now, good night hiemanshu :) | 07:04 |
| Seta00 | hopefully it'll work on the uni lab computer | 07:05 |
| Seta00 | gonna try on the work computer too | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: flash COMBINED, boot up, wait 5min until boot completely finished. then retry flashing VANILLA | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suspect device is terribly busy with creating /opt | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it actually couldn't flash eMMC when /opt is mounted | 07:09 |
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| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer: the boot screen hangs | 07:09 |
| Seta00 | I | 07:10 |
| Seta00 | er. | 07:10 |
| Seta00 | I'm just gonna leave it there for a few minutes | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, it's hanging for some 5min on first boot | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the rationale why I say let it boot before trying to flash VANILLA | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never tried flashing VANILLA under a PR1.3 system, seems they completely changed the concept | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm pretty sure it didn't show normal maemo bootscreen when I flashed VANILLA back when | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway that's like 1 year ago now | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably longer | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now I see why all multiboot users where whining about flashing is so terribly failing or complicated for them. Multiboot has potential to mess up "flashing-mode" completely | 07:15 |
| Seta00 | hm, combined flash is faster now | 07:15 |
| Seta00 | (I rebooted the PC) | 07:15 |
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| Seta00 | yeah I'm sticking with maemo now lol | 07:16 |
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| Seta00 | not gonna go through all of this just because I mispelled something in a config file | 07:16 |
| Seta00 | k, combined is done, gonna unplug and boot it | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait til it completely settles | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | then shut down, and try flashing VANILLA | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | then combined once more, as you *always* need to flash combined when you flashed vanilla after a boot | 07:18 |
| Seta00 | it didnt hang now | 07:18 |
| Seta00 | :) | 07:18 |
| Seta00 | it's loading | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. flashing combined gets invalidated by booting. So after flashing VANILLA now you have to do an fresh COMBINED flash | 07:19 |
| Seta00 | yay I'm on settings | 07:20 |
| Seta00 | should I fill them in? | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, that's expected after succeeding COMBINED flash | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, forget it | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | irrelevant | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you'Re good to shut down now | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | then knock on wood and try flashing VANILLA | 07:21 |
| * Seta00 crosses fingers | 07:21 | |
| Seta00 | uh. why do I need vanilla again? | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 07:22 |
| Seta00 | it looks like it's fine | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you said you want to flash it | 07:22 |
| Seta00 | well I want it working | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | frequently you don't want to flash vanilla | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you could try to flash vanilla now, just to know if it works now | 07:23 |
| Seta00 | well, everything is looking just like when I got it | 07:23 |
| * Seta00 checks version | 07:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing combined obviously is no problem for you now, so you can redo it any time, even when flashing vanilla would ruin your current system | 07:24 |
| Seta00 | 20.2010.36-2 | 07:24 |
| Seta00 | wtf | 07:24 |
| Seta00 | what is vanilla for then? | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for MyDocs | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | formatting it and filling it with a few movies etc | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | >_> | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | no, this is actually better | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | I still have my files | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | under MyDocs | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | also resetting you home to default | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | let me see if nitdroid is still here | 07:25 |
| Seta00 | home is definitely reset | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 07:26 |
| Seta00 | nah, android is gone | 07:26 |
| Seta00 | I have MyDocs, default settings | 07:26 |
| Seta00 | it actually turned out better than I imagined in the end! | 07:27 |
| Seta00 | DocScrutinizer: thanks for all the help man, and sorry for taking all this time | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | just we still don't know why vanilla blew chunks ;-D | 07:27 |
| Seta00 | if you ever come to brazil, give me a shout and I'll pay you a beer :D | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 07:27 |
| Seta00 | now I gotta sleep or I'll be late for work | 07:28 |
| Seta00 | good night! | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 07:28 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: did I manage to piss you off before? | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 07:29 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok, cool, I dont want to get on your bad side :) | 07:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders where to backup the 27GB of mp3 on one of the devices, so testing flashing VANILLA would be possible | 07:38 | |
| dm8tbr | one can never own enough hard-drive space | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning dm8tbr | 07:40 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning DocScrutinizer | 07:45 |
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| fusi | where does esbox/eclipse's 'import from debian repo' wizard get its sources from? | 10:28 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 11:02 |
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| fusi | grumble | 11:07 |
| fusi | rescued that vm image | 11:07 |
| fusi | dunno what i did to it | 11:07 |
| fusi | but stuff 'works' in it | 11:07 |
| fusi | this new fresh image ive got, nothing works :( | 11:08 |
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| fusi | but the old image is really knackered now :( | 11:08 |
| robbiethe1st | No old backups? | 11:08 |
| fusi | ive got snapshots to go back to yea | 11:08 |
| fusi | but id prefer a more stable base tbh | 11:08 |
| fusi | trying to recreate the build env | 11:08 |
| fusi | but i cant remember what i did | 11:08 |
| fusi | D: | 11:09 |
| fusi | for some reason, i cant see all the armel packages | 11:09 |
| fusi | in the import from dep repo wizard in eclipse | 11:09 |
| fusi | but i can in the old vm image | 11:09 |
| fusi | ive got no idea where its pulling the info from | 11:09 |
| fusi | as a result i cant pull the package i need with the correct target | 11:10 |
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| fusi | its all a bit pete tong | 11:10 |
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| _trine | how can I change the audio codec Bluetooth uses to a better one | 12:05 |
| _trine | skkpe audio is not very good | 12:06 |
| _trine | on my Bluetooth headphones and it is perfect on skype using my netbook | 12:06 |
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| fusi | maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ fakeroot apt-get install | 12:29 |
| fusi | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) | 12:29 |
| fusi | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? | 12:29 |
| fusi | ^ i shouldnt be getting that should i | 12:29 |
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| ruskie | you should | 12:31 |
| ruskie | since you're not root | 12:31 |
| fusi | ah | 12:31 |
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| fusi | aaaaaah | 12:38 |
| fusi | things are becoming clearer | 12:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does anyone know anything about s40? I'm wondering - one of the things pushed for the 'next billion' was a web proxy with compression. | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be quite nice to be able to run this in some manner on the n900/n9/n950 | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Opera Mobile? | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Not quite. | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But similar. | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice to be able to use the already existing platform for arbitrary browsers. | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Admittedly, with a local thing to talk to the proxy. | 13:34 |
| cehteh | i was thinking about installing polypo on my server and acccess it through compressed openvpn | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not finding polypo | 13:35 |
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| cehteh | polipo :) | 13:35 |
| cehteh | it does proper piplineing other than other proxies | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 13:36 |
| cehteh | far less tcp/ip handshakes | 13:36 |
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| cehteh | may be the second best thing after operas propietary compression | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I've gone on about my compressing idea in the past. | 13:37 |
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| cehteh | when i browse the web over 3g the most slow things are name lookups and tcp handshakes .. the data itself is just as is, if you can compress it, fine but bulk data like jpeg are already compressed | 13:38 |
| cehteh | a propietary technology like opera uses mas squelch a bit more out of it .. but i prefer a open solution | 13:39 |
| cehteh | well, i didnt tested this yet | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy is an old outline of the iea | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically - massive (250M) cache mirrored on server and phone. | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Any new page request is supplied as diffs against the cache. | 13:40 |
| cehteh | well .. sure, nice idea, but you have to have that big cache on the phone, it will take some cpu to put pages together later and only works when you surf pages already in cache with few changes | 13:42 |
| cehteh | may work but is a lot effort | 13:42 |
| cehteh | for few cases | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. 250M isn't an issue for n900 or n9 though. | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | All the hard work is on the serverside. | 13:43 |
| cehteh | well and this has to be reasonable faster than the 3G connection :P | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Not only. | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes you're not looking for speed, but low bandwith. | 13:43 |
| cehteh | diffing is harder than patching yes ,, but still some work on the n900 | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Almost none. | 13:43 |
| cehteh | well if you think, go for it | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I do, it's on my stack. | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 13:44 |
| cehteh | haha | 13:44 |
| cehteh | well you could 'normalize' html (stripping any unneeded whitespaces) | 13:44 |
| cehteh | then get the html tree and cache single entities | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply compressing the stream will buy you a moderate amount, yes. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The idea is something like that, yes. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | My initial tests used splitting on < | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Which worked well. | 13:45 |
| cehteh | i guess so .. | 13:46 |
| cehteh | i just wonder how much it works in real when one visits pages not visited before | 13:46 |
| cehteh | possibly opera does similar things | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, when mobile, the vast majority of sites I visit are ones I've accessed before. | 13:47 |
| cehteh | i just think this is a quite demanding project you cant do on a afternoon | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm checking on ebay listings, comparing prices on tesco, ... | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not browsing randomly around the web as I might at home. | 13:47 |
| cehteh | well maybe you can integrate that into polipo or some other existing software | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | An of course, I'm much much more likely to tolerate images being smashed down to 160*160 | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (forex) | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm working on a proof of concept. | 13:48 |
| cehteh | what implementaton language? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | To do the numbers based on a wwwoffle cache. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Not live. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | In the hopes that I can push someone developing a web proxy to implement the idea. | 13:49 |
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| cehteh | not me :P | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Gwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:53 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG! | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | hi | 14:19 |
| cityLights | whats up? | 14:19 |
| cityLights | hot? | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, AC helps though :p | 14:19 |
| cityLights | right | 14:19 |
| cityLights | as I wasnt around here for a month or so - what did I miss? | 14:20 |
| cityLights | did you release a new cssu? | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | nope, nothing much I guess | 14:20 |
| cityLights | you finished with your studies - right? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | for now | 14:22 |
| Arkenoi | will hildon with portrait mode be included in CSSU? it looks reasonably stable now | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it's already merged on gitorious | 14:22 |
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| cityLights | the modest crash fix is more importent to me | 14:25 |
| cityLights | I got another wierd idea | 14:25 |
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| cityLights | can I hack meego on to the google tv? | 14:26 |
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| cityLights | did more developpers here got their n950 (except me) | 14:26 |
| cityLights | have "we" move on to meego? | 14:26 |
| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, is there ETA for repository update? | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, this week | 14:27 |
| cityLights | +1 | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | Modest, patches welcome :) | 14:28 |
| fusi | liking googles 2-phase login thingy | 14:35 |
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| cityLights | really? | 14:36 |
| cityLights | sevral application now need it | 14:36 |
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| MohammadAG | 843M./.xchat2/xchatlogs wtf | 14:41 |
| hiemanshu | no log rotations? | 14:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you could archive the old ones | 14:41 |
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| MohammadAG | err, it logs server messages | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | that's dumb, 350MBs | 14:43 |
| fusi | irssi ftw | 14:43 |
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| otwieracz | Hello. | 14:46 |
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| otwieracz | There are any drivers for Maemo Diablo to support FT232 USB-to-serial chip? | 14:47 |
| otwieracz | (n810 as USB host) | 14:47 |
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| Arkenoi | apmd died on my phone, how can i restart it? | 14:52 |
| cityLights | I removed it | 14:52 |
| cityLights | something went wrong after last upgrade | 14:53 |
| cityLights | a few days back | 14:53 |
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| fusi | yay for maintainer status \o/ | 15:22 |
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| fusi | btw | 15:22 |
| fusi | ive sorted out my environment now | 15:23 |
| fusi | \o/ | 15:23 |
| fusi | a bit more rtfm and sleep helped | 15:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:26 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/01/nokia_n9_out_this_september/ <-- hmm | 15:37 |
| ruskie | "the open phone" | 15:37 |
| fusi | ugh | 15:38 |
| fusi | not intersted at all | 15:38 |
| fusi | plan to keep my n900 for _______years | 15:39 |
| ruskie | hehe | 15:39 |
| fusi | totally love it, said it b4, but i do ^^ | 15:40 |
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| cityLights | can the n900 do 5Mb data? | 15:40 |
| fusi | 5mb data what? | 15:40 |
| cityLights | I am doing 2.8Mb now | 15:40 |
| cityLights | download | 15:40 |
| fusi | transfer speed i assume u mean | 15:40 |
| fusi | on hsdpa i would imagine so | 15:41 |
| cityLights | I now get 2.8Mb download 1Mb upload | 15:41 |
| cityLights | does hsdpa , alllow two "flavors"? | 15:41 |
| hiemanshu | flavours? | 15:41 |
| fusi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access | 15:41 |
| * fusi strokes hiemanshu | 15:42 | |
| cityLights | can anyone advice which cellular data to get in Rome/ | 15:42 |
| cityLights | ? | 15:42 |
| fusi | 15:42 | |
| cityLights | fusi: ask an italian.... | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice, Segmentation fault in kernel | 15:43 |
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| hiemanshu | hey fusi | 15:43 |
| fusi | yo | 15:44 |
| hiemanshu | sup | 15:44 |
| fusi | got a working build env \o/ | 15:44 |
| fusi | but i am lacking sleep as a consequence | 15:45 |
| hiemanshu | meh, sleep is for the weak | 15:45 |
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| fusi | by definition :p | 15:45 |
| fusi | got 3 hrs between 3 and 6 | 15:45 |
| fusi | im all floaty ~-~ | 15:46 |
| hiemanshu | have some coffee | 15:46 |
| fusi | doesnt actually work on me :( | 15:46 |
| fusi | still feel sleepy | 15:46 |
| fusi | but just feel cold/shivery :\ | 15:46 |
| fusi | twitchy heh | 15:46 |
| fusi | i prefer tea :) | 15:47 |
| hiemanshu | ah, that only sleep can fix | 15:47 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, I like tea too | 15:47 |
| fusi | yer | 15:47 |
| ruskie | caffinee doesn't work on me as well | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Harmattan kernel? =0 | 15:47 |
| fusi | is it the dr peppers... | 15:47 |
| fusi | lulz | 15:47 |
| fusi | immune | 15:47 |
| fusi | iono | 15:48 |
| fusi | gonna go play some k240 (:D) for a bit | 15:48 |
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| fusi | tally bais o/ | 15:48 |
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| reenignEesreveR | Getting msg "device storage full. remove data to free memory" <- rootfs has become full. what to do now? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | remove stuff from rootfs? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, how do I switch branches again? | 15:59 |
| reenignEesreveR | umm... how? | 15:59 |
| reenignEesreveR | apt-get clean doesn't help | 15:59 |
| reenignEesreveR | neither does autoremove | 15:59 |
| villager | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | du -h /root, I'm pretty sure you've stuffed things there | 16:00 |
| pavi | were there any updates to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features ? or is everyone crazy about meego and n950 ? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | neither | 16:01 |
| villager | I've seen lots of people not crazy about meego and n950 | 16:01 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: swicthing branches in git? | 16:02 |
| pavi | villager, ahh there is still some hope :) | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | it's easy to be not crazy whey you see "download app for: iPhone, Android, PC" everywhere | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, cloning a git repo, how do I go between branches? | 16:03 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: git branch <branchname> if there is a remote branch already | 16:03 |
| radiofree | git checkout --track -b branchname origin/branchname | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: bookmark http://help.github.com/git-cheat-sheets/ | 16:04 |
| hiemanshu | radiofree: just git co would work | 16:05 |
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| reenignEesreveR | MohammadAG, nothing in /root except a wepkey | 16:07 |
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| reenignEesreveR | MohammadAG, btw it happened while i was tryng to install hostmode-gui | 16:13 |
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| _trine | the audio on my Blue tooth headphones is excellent when playing music through them but the audio when using skype is pretty poor, is there a way to improve this situation?? | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | _trine: don't use skype | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | _trine: skype audio is poor | 16:17 |
| _trine | no it isnt | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | it is on n900 | 16:17 |
| _trine | its perfect on my netbook | 16:17 |
| _trine | well that was my question | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | it's not same skype as on netbook | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | check using wired headphones | 16:18 |
| _trine | so its the N900 implementation of skype thats crap is it | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | no it's skype that's crap | 16:18 |
| _trine | and is there nothing we can do | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | it requires way too much cpu for even basic call | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | so on mobile devices they have to use simpler codecs and stuff | 16:19 |
| _trine | so its the skype implementation on the N900 thats crap is it | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | skype over wifi? | 16:19 |
| _trine | yes | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | and netradio over wifi and bluetooth headhones doesn't sound crap? | 16:20 |
| _trine | my net book works really well in the same situation | 16:20 |
| _trine | I have not tried net radio | 16:21 |
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| _trine | music played from the N900 SD card is perfect very high quality audio | 16:21 |
| _trine | over BT headphones | 16:21 |
| _trine | and the same is true on my netbook but it also includes skype too | 16:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Skype with wired headphone sounds about same as skype on pc for me | 16:22 |
| _trine | it sounds on skype as though its a low quality codec | 16:22 |
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| ShadowJK | if it uses headset profile over bluetooth I'd imagine it'd sound grubbier, and not at all as good as if it uses a2dp.. and in any case, frequent/heavy traffic on both bt and wifis known to not work well | 16:23 |
| _trine | Ijust wondered if there was a way to change the skype codec | 16:24 |
| _trine | the headset is the Nokia 905 | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | _trine: What's your impression of the headset? | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it work for calls? | 16:27 |
| _trine | the headset is fantastic | 16:28 |
| _trine | and yes I use it for calls | 16:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - that's rather more expensive than I'd hoped. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:29 |
| _trine | you can get them now for about £130 | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 16:29 |
| _trine | I paid a lot more | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | That's 2 and a bit months food. | 16:29 |
| * Arkenoi paid about $200 for bh902, damn it is the most sucking headset ever, it does not fit human ear, it was designed by fscking elves | 16:31 | |
| _trine | those headphones have the best audio I have heard and its amazing they work over BT | 16:32 |
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| cehteh | sennheiser px-200 here ... fits me very well and has good sound with meanwhile quite low prices | 16:35 |
| cehteh | for some users it doesnt fit well i heared | 16:35 |
| cehteh | closed system is a must for me | 16:35 |
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| Arkenoi | koss porta pro is my portable headphones of choice | 16:36 |
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| cityLights | can anyone offer advice to which cellular to choose on vacation to rome? | 16:38 |
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| cityLights | I want to use voice over ip over the ,cellular data | 16:38 |
| cityLights | no real need for cell calls | 16:39 |
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| cehteh | you travel a lot :P | 16:47 |
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| Dibblah | Hrm. On the N900, are there any known bugs regarding Conversations? | 18:11 |
| Dibblah | Specifically, I'm seeing no notifications (sometimes) of incoming texts, etc... | 18:11 |
| e0x | hmm not sure if is a but but something happen when you have the conversation open and in focus | 18:12 |
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| e0x | even with lock screen | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pavi: CSSU is *not* an alternative distro to fremantle. Thus it won't see frequent updates, it only gets things that can not get deployed via normal extras(-*) repository. According to this rationale actually new camera, new mp3player etc all has to get kicked from CSSU rather than get any updates or even additional new apps of same class | 18:26 |
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| phryk | I have substituted my wlan-ap at home and, set my n900 to use dhcp on this net from now on let it reconnect (it did so automatically). I can now ping hosts by dns alias just fine (ie. google.com) but can't access them over the browser. | 19:58 |
| phryk | Does the browser save some kind of resolv.conf for itself somewhere else? | 19:59 |
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| fladnag | Hellohello | 20:28 |
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| fladnag | Does anyone know about news regarding h-e-n ?? | 20:29 |
| fladnag | (on n900 ... Idontknow if hen is n900-only) | 20:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by news | 20:30 |
| fladnag | Kk:) | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not many news recently | 20:31 |
| fladnag | Imean especialy with charging while hosting AND more overall compatiblity ! | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | compatibility regarding what? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | also see | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 20:31 |
| infobot | rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm still not getting around to finish and deploy an augmented booston.sh script that'd integrate this | 20:33 |
| fladnag | Regarding sticks and harddrives and usb-mice behavir | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's not even a topic of h-e-n | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n is strictly to connect $random_peripheral via USB. Getting it to work by providing the needed drivers etc is not a primary target of h-e-n | 20:34 |
| fladnag | Boston.sh ? What's no topic of hen? | 20:35 |
| Mousey | i miss the n810's OTG usb | 20:35 |
| Mousey | =( | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all this problem is exactly the same on N900 as on any arbitrary linux PC. You need the right drivers, install them, configure things, all identical across hw platforms | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | booston.sh, not Boston | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mousey: where's the difference? | 20:36 |
| fladnag | Jeahjeah | 20:36 |
| fladnag | :p | 20:36 |
| fladnag | :d | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mousey: h-e-n is "just as good" as N810 OTG | 20:37 |
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| fladnag | Hen is coooool | 20:37 |
| fladnag | :) | 20:37 |
| BluesLee | hi, how do i add a poll to a tmo thread? | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: thread-tools menu -> add_poll | 20:38 |
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| fladnag | Please doc tell me about this boston scripts ! | 20:39 |
| fladnag | Hen-boston-script | 20:39 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: there no add poll in my list | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fladnag: the booston.sh script gets called when you hit the "vboost" button in h-e-n GUI. It does the magic to provide 5V to USB. I plan to augment it to also handle charging-hostmode | 20:40 |
| fladnag | Helljeah!!!!!! | 20:41 |
| fladnag | :) irealymeanit | 20:42 |
| fladnag | Ifuckinlove my n900 :) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | fladnag: thanks for the positive feedback | 20:44 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: do i need to post the thread first as i cant see thread tools there. | 20:44 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: got it | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: I dunno how to *create* a thread with a poll, I just seen the "add poll" item in the thread tools menu of threads I started | 20:45 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: the list appears after posting the thread | 20:46 |
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| fladnag | :) im still getting confused when thinking about hosting WHILE charging ... With a powered hub or something ... Imean isnt it limmited somehow ... Usb has only four lines right ? 2power 2data ... How many does the micro-usb has? | 20:52 |
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| Gadgetoid | Damn, now I feel like digging up my n900… but I don't know what to do with it! | 20:55 |
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| LarsN | Gadgetoid: why would you bury one of the best phones ever | 20:58 |
| LarsN | Gadgetoid: *boggle* :) | 20:58 |
| Gadgetoid | Actually, it wasn't strictly buried! | 20:58 |
| LarsN | mine is on my desk, within 2 inches of my left wrist right now. :) | 20:59 |
| LarsN | Future phone is from the past :) | 20:59 |
| Gadgetoid | I only use it to see how things are going in this wonderful community ;D | 21:00 |
| LarsN | When i finally buy another phone. | 21:00 |
| Gadgetoid | I tend to use my N810 more, as an ebook reader | 21:00 |
| LarsN | I'll likely still carry the N900, tethered to the new phone for data. | 21:00 |
| LarsN | I don't see that happening anytime soon. | 21:00 |
| LarsN | maybe if the Nexus Prime, and ICS are beyond incredible... I replaced a Nexus One with the N900 :) | 21:01 |
| Gadgetoid | I'm tempted by Android at the moment | 21:01 |
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| fladnag | Me too (a bit) ... | 21:02 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm, clearly someone in Northumberland has been playing too much Minecraft | 21:03 |
| fladnag | Iwould like to realy see the difference in performance with emulators for example ... And the overall performance of n900 is driving me crazy sometimes ... | 21:04 |
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| fladnag | (n900 with maemo5) | 21:05 |
| Gadgetoid | I have to say, I'm smitten with the newer emulators on the iPhone | 21:05 |
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| Gadgetoid | But the same emulators are also available for Android | 21:06 |
| Gadgetoid | Robert Broglia's emulators… really nice | 21:06 |
| fladnag | Ithink there are SOME people ho ARE / have been playing toomuch minecraft ... or similar :d | 21:06 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmmm, n900 doesn't seem to want to turn on… must be fairly deaded | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flatbatrecover | 21:08 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 21:08 |
| Gadgetoid | SpeedEvil: that was pretty quick on the draw there! | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a moderately FAQ | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:09 |
| Gadgetoid | "Stop trying to turn it on and have patience you fool!" would have worked, too :D | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo flatbatrecover | 21:10 |
| infobot | flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (371 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by SpeedEvil, 1m 33s ago. | 21:10 |
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| Gadgetoid | Damn, I forget how good the maemo bunch are ;) | 21:13 |
| Gadgetoid | But I've run off and attached myself to the iControlPad now | 21:13 |
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| TimmyT | What are official repositories? May anyone give me a complete list of them? I found a post in the website but that was old | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | TimmyT, main mamoe -devel -testin extras | 21:43 |
| lcuk | and I couldn't have typed that with more typos | 21:43 |
| lcuk | TimmyT, main maemo -devel -testing extras | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, I hate it when that happens. prepared http://paste.debian.net/124780/ to come back and learn he left chan | 21:57 |
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| Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: haha :D | 22:05 |
| Gadgetoid | My phone LED has gone green now… presumably that means GO, ho ho ho! | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoh ho ho | 22:05 |
| Gadgetoid | And a bottle of rum? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 22:06 |
| Gadgetoid | Faster Application Manager likes to mess with HAM | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fapman is known to fail on random occasions | 22:11 |
| Gadgetoid | Ho ho, you said fap | 22:12 |
| TimmyT1 | wat is SDK repository? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | this app been known as fapman in the beginning, and it'll stay fapman for me until it dies :-P | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | TimmyT1: HAH there you are | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/124780/ | 22:13 |
| * Gadgetoid wonders if he'll try to copy pasta that URL in as a repo | 22:14 | |
| TimmyT1 | DocScrutinizer: yep | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SDK repo? errr, I know tools repo | 22:14 |
| nusse | just using apt-get would be too easy. | 22:14 |
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| Gadgetoid | I want yum on my phone! | 22:14 |
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| Gadgetoid | "Unable to download 'Khweeteur'. Application package not found." Yes/No | 22:15 |
| TimmyT1 | means used to install things like find and man command lines? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man and find are in extras-devel | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace and gdb are in tools though | 22:16 |
| TimmyT1 | sry. | 22:16 |
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| TimmyT1 | is aptitude available in official repos? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search aptitude | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | libcwidget-dev - high-level terminal interface library for C++ (development files) | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | aptitude-dbg - Debug symbols for the aptitude package manager | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | aptitude - terminal-based package manager | 22:18 |
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| TimmyT1 | ok, i just asked for that, kuz im going to change the list of my repos, i wanted to see if aptitude is available in official repos or not | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache policy aptitude | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Candidate: 0.4.11.11-1maemo3 | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Version table: | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.4.11.11-1maemo3 0 | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 22:19 |
| TimmyT1 | DocScrutinizer: look , in this page: http://repository.maemo.org/ , it has explained the list of officially repositories, but didn't mention any version for them, like it has http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free but didn't mention any version for fremantle like fremantle-1.3 or 1.2. why? should i do this? or fremantle without any version number will include all of its versions? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, good question. I think this has been introduced back before pr1.3 and nowadays fremantle-1.3 is probably a symlink to fremantle | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there should be a fremantle-1.2 for old systems needing to restore apps from extras. Similar repos for extras-(testing|devel) are missing so you can't restore pre-1.3 apps you got from those repos | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably for now both fremantle and fremantle-1.3 are identical | 22:27 |
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| TimmyT1 | so you're saying it is enough to add fremantle? without any verstion number? | 22:28 |
| TimmyT1 | errr, version number | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:28 |
| TimmyT1 | ok, i thought if i dun add them, i may miss some apps | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you only want to bother about it IF any day PR1.4 gets the recent distro and you don't like to upgrade to it and raher want to stay on pr1.3 | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | all AFAIK | 22:31 |
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| TimmyT1 | DocScrutinizer: tnx | 22:38 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if he should create a install file containing *all* repos | 22:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | similar to the >>To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install<< on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in that one I only added only extras-trsting extras-devel, tools | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fuckushima: 10Sv/h current reading on some free air tube between two blocks | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | not instantly killing, just after 5 min | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | where | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | do you have links | 23:02 |
| cehteh | nice place for picknick :P | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Russia would still send soldiers/teminators with lead hats | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: TV | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | well, the thing is that with chernobyl it was either that or molten core would drop into pool of water | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | and then real shit would hit the fan | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:03 |
| cehteh | the 10mS last time where more scary .. | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | same still can happen n fucky | 23:04 |
| cehteh | measured in urine samples of some residents from a town nearby | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | DANG | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well I think it's been Japan where a factory poisoned thousands with mercury for decades, and nobody could stop them, nobody even cared | 23:05 |
| cehteh | that happens at plenty places in the world | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the cats were first to go mad and die | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as the mercury was in the sea fish and cats at harbour... well you know. | 23:07 |
| ohookins | hi, i'm trying to set up the maemo scratchbox on ubuntu 64bit but get the following errors: | 23:08 |
| ohookins | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386: | 23:08 |
| ohookins | scratchbox-core:i386 depends on python. | 23:08 |
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| ohookins | i've set it up a few times in the past but haven't seen that error before, any ideas? | 23:08 |
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| x29a | evening, im trying to package a qt program (qtcreator), but it fails with the error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library foo. foo is available, but i have no clue how to tell dpgk where it is, any hints? | 23:11 |
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| idreamer | i need help | 23:16 |
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| idreamer | my problem: i have install meego on emmc and now i want go back to maemo but i can't reflash don't work | 23:20 |
| idreamer | help | 23:21 |
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| x29a | can you elaborate on "dont work"? | 23:24 |
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| x29a | idreamer: also, the guys over at #meego might be able to help as well | 23:24 |
| idreamer | x29a: the guys over meego say me to write here :D | 23:25 |
| idreamer | x29a: can you help me? | 23:25 |
| x29a | i still dont know what you tried yet and what "dont work" might be | 23:25 |
| idreamer | in few work. i have install meego on emmc. now i want go back to maemo. the flasher don't work becouse the "usb" mode with "u" don't work | 23:27 |
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| x29a | idreamer: try explaining your problem without the words "dont work" | 23:48 |
| x29a | others: is there any way (backports?) that maemo5/fremantle is supported by qt mobility 1.2+? | 23:48 |
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