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| fusi | lol @ epic rant thread | 00:24 |
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| fusi | i think its too easy to post on the forum | 00:24 |
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| fusi | i think ppl should jump theough n hoops before they are allowed to start threads | 00:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | tmo is quite exceptional | 00:29 |
| Shapeshifter | the 'phone' crowd is very different from your usual open source software related forum | 00:30 |
| fusi | mmmm | 00:30 |
| Shapeshifter | and the wiki is quite bad at the same time | 00:30 |
| fusi | aaaahhmmm well | 00:30 |
| fusi | the wiki isnt bad | 00:30 |
| fusi | a bit out of date here and there | 00:30 |
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| fusi | depends which bit u mean really | 00:31 |
| Shapeshifter | it's badly structured, there are duplicate pages, lacking/outdated info all over | 00:31 |
| Shapeshifter | not blaming anyone, it's just that there are few people who are actually motivated to do that kind of stuff | 00:31 |
| fusi | ive found the development related sections rather useful | 00:31 |
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| fusi | yea thats true | 00:31 |
| fusi | take a look ad xda | 00:32 |
| fusi | for some more end user funs | 00:32 |
| fusi | a stack overflow thing should be creqated for them | 00:32 |
| fusi | end user non-contributing consumers with zero tech knowledge :p | 00:33 |
| fusi | (oooh acidic) | 00:33 |
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| fusi | no im being nasty | 00:33 |
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| angelox|laptop | Hi all,i've flashed my Nokia N900 fully (rootfs+emmc) and it can't connect to my house's wireless network,it can find it,but i ever get "Network connection error. Try Again?",since i've flashed it yesterday,it's a problem from my router isn't? Or there's any chance to it be a phone problem? Only to confirm :) | 00:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've had that occasionally. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | REbooting fixes it. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Offline-online does not ficx it | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Don't know what it is. | 00:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | angelox|laptop: I had a problem where the router had trouble with understanding the n900 wlan powersaving. try turning off power saving on the n900 for wlan and see if it works. | 00:36 |
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| angelox|laptop | already disabled,and enabled 100ma consumption (bad english here,i don't know if that makes sense :) ) | 00:37 |
| angelox|laptop | wow,it's like magic,three days trying and don't work,and when i came here and ask,it works :D | 00:38 |
| angelox|laptop | thanks :) | 00:39 |
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| angelox|laptop | and sorry take these 5 lines of IRC chat :) | 00:42 |
| jiero | Is there a good Vector Editor for N900? | 00:42 |
| jiero | Must I download the svg-edit?? | 00:42 |
| fusi | try looking for smt for lxde | 00:44 |
| fusi | like the gimp | 00:44 |
| fusi | that does svg doesnt it? | 00:44 |
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| fusi | svg support from v1.3.21 | 00:45 |
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| jiero | smt ? | 00:48 |
| jiero | what is smt? | 00:49 |
| jiero | k.k GIMP is not vector tool... never.:D anyway ty | 00:50 |
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| fusi | heh ok :) | 00:51 |
| fusi | i dont know what you mean by vector tool then | 00:51 |
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| fusi | smt == something | 00:51 |
| angelox|laptop | if there were inkscape,would be fantastic | 00:52 |
| fusi | says here svg-edit is browser based | 00:53 |
| fusi | go here on your n900? http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html | 00:53 |
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| fusi | works for me | 00:56 |
| jiero | Yes, I know svg-edit work well. | 00:56 |
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| jiero | I want inkscape:D | 00:56 |
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| fusi | inkscape is available to download in lxde | 01:09 |
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| fusi | in fact ive just installed it | 01:31 |
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| fusi | http://www.sekaita.com/inkscape.png | 01:36 |
| Tronic | fusi: Is that on N900? | 01:37 |
| jiero | fusi: I had easy debian, and found its too old. I want debian sid :D | 01:37 |
| fusi | yes | 01:37 |
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| fusi | bummer | 01:37 |
| jiero | I want q3rally! | 01:38 |
| jiero | port q3rally please. | 01:38 |
| jiero | its way better than FPS game like quake3/openarena | 01:38 |
| fusi | im busy on something else | 01:39 |
| fusi | why dont u port it? | 01:39 |
| jiero | fusi: simple, I don't know how to program | 01:39 |
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| fusi | oh dear | 01:39 |
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| jiero | fusi: honestly, I need to start from learning mathematics terms in English, as none of them I knew. | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | jiero, q3rally is? | 01:45 |
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| jiero | lcuk: was a quake3 mod now standalone opensource game. Use vehicle to race or combat or coop | 01:48 |
| jiero | lcuk: http://www.q3rally.com/ | 01:48 |
| lcuk | interesting. | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | the download link is a .zip though :P | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | r33b.net | 01:59 |
| jiero | lcuk: :D I feel lucky today. | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | jiero, you don't need maths to do minor programming | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | small things like making an app, getting headers and compiling stuff doesn't need maths | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. Most stuff doesn't need maths. | 02:06 |
| lcuk | jiero, deeper into video and stuff | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | If you get into signal processing, for example, the maths can get very scary very fast | 02:07 |
| lcuk | it doesn't look as entertaining as : | 02:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/07/install-stunt-rally-game-in-ubuntu-from.html | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | which looks outstanding and is installing now :P | 02:07 |
| fusi | oooh | 02:07 |
| * fusi strokes lcuk | 02:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh! | 02:08 |
| fusi | *channel goes quiet as everyone installs* | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | for interested folks, I found the rally game here: | 02:12 |
| lcuk | http://www.lgdb.org/category/subgenre/driving | 02:12 |
| fusi | thank you lcuk | 02:12 |
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| jiero | lcuk: stunt rally have no combat :S | 02:21 |
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| fusi | waaaaah | 03:58 |
| fusi | cant get minecraft to work :)( | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again? | 03:58 |
| ShadowJK | is it plugged in? | 03:58 |
| fusi | i cant find the off switch :( | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 03:59 |
| fusi | heh | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you need to implement the switch using redstone. | 03:59 |
| fusi | will i need a left handed sprocket wheel adjuster for that? | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't minecraft quite CPU hungry?> | 04:00 |
| fusi | dunno, thought id try it :) | 04:00 |
| fusi | it runs, but black screen :( | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I will not be testing that package. | 04:01 |
| fusi | heh | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I have watched some tutorials. | 04:01 |
| fusi | not ur thing eh | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I have determined that I may not come back till 2015 if I start minecraft. | 04:01 |
| fusi | hehe | 04:01 |
| fusi | yea im there :p | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 04:01 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer, zip 91755 is Monterey Park Los Angeles CA | 04:01 |
| fusi | o_ | 04:02 |
| fusi | O | 04:02 |
| fusi | ~cookie | 04:02 |
| infobot | Hey fusi, zip 60091 is Wilmette Cook IL | 04:02 |
| fusi | aww | 04:02 |
| fusi | yay \o/ | 04:02 |
| fusi | wtf is that for :) | 04:02 |
| fusi | webshites that require zips? | 04:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to learn to use his superibotpowers to kill all zip * factoids | 04:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys zip | 04:03 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12165 ;; zip 12252 ;; zip 1242 ;; zip 14004 ;; zip 14884 ;; zip 17603 ;; zip 19138 ;; zip 22724 ;; zip 26520 ;; zip 26559 ;; zip 33617 ;; zip 41046 ;; zip 43335 ;; zip 4359 ;; zip 44631 ;; zip 48445 ;; zip 53045 ;; zip 60302 ;; zip 70528 ;; zip 70836 ;; zip 73459. | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 04:03 |
| infobot | Since Sat Jul 16 03:48:26 2011, there have been 68 modifications, 911 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 464 commands. I have been awake for 12d 21h 15m 4s this session, and currently reference 118049 factoids. I'm using about 23212 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3600.84/103.97 child 0/0 | 04:03 |
| fusi | oh its just 'useful info' | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | 42k of 118k factoids are zip * :-S | 04:03 |
| fusi | :o | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+factinfo zip 22222 | 04:04 |
| infobot | zip 22222 -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 04:05 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds planders... mailto:pbl@pbl.cx | 04:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | forget zip * | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? :-P | 04:07 |
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| Techaholic | Hi. | 04:26 |
| Techaholic | Does easy debian still work on pr1.3 | 04:26 |
| Techaholic | On the N900. | 04:26 |
| jiero | Techaholic: it works. | 04:26 |
| Techaholic | As I am trying to boot Fedora LXDE | 04:26 |
| Techaholic | It mounts. | 04:26 |
| Techaholic | But no boot. | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | I have mutliboot, backupmenu and Nitdroid 12 setup. | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | Dual boot. | 04:27 |
| jiero | I want E16... | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | *multiboot | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | It keeps redirecting to the Maemo home screen. | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | easy debian isn't multiboot thing though | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | I know. | 04:27 |
| Techaholic | I am trying to run it in maemo. | 04:28 |
| Techaholic | Using the fedora custom image. | 04:28 |
| Techaholic | I can chroot into it no problem. | 04:28 |
| Techaholic | But no boot. | 04:28 |
| Techaholic | Sorry Fedora XFCE. | 04:29 |
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| Techaholic | Its works before no problem with LXDE. | 04:29 |
| Techaholic | But fedora is being a pain. | 04:29 |
| Techaholic | I wonder if su user package and sudo gain root is causing the issue. | 04:31 |
| Techaholic | I am running all of this on the emmc. | 04:33 |
| Termana | good morning | 04:34 |
| Techaholic | Morning. | 04:35 |
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| Techaholic | join /#eyesight | 04:41 |
| Techaholic | haha | 04:41 |
| fusi | anyone remember this? http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/advert.php?id=625 | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+factstat requested | 04:53 |
| infobot | factoid statistics on requested (14 of 174): 290232 - TOTAL ;; 1429 - ping ;; 1185 - cmd: 8ball (.*?) ;; 1113 - book ;; 1070 - pb ;; 952 - cmd: say (.*?) ;; 848 - rlart ;; 707 - cmd: kill (.*?) ;; 597 - ask ;; 565 - cmd: coffee (.*?) ;; 553 - wowalert ;; 515 - cmd: curse (.*?) ;; 510 - sipnat ;; 506 - cmd: poke (.*?). | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~book | 04:54 |
| infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 3rd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51734-3) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517342. Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and is available for reading online at http://ofps.oreilly.com/titles/9780596517342/, or ~buybook | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzzz | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pb | 04:54 |
| infobot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.us , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ ; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~8ball Elop | 04:55 |
| infobot | I'm sure of it. | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~8ball | 04:56 |
| * infobot rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt | 04:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~rlart | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~power | 05:23 |
| infobot | i heard power is VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm | 05:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo power | 05:24 |
| infobot | power -- last modified at Tue Sep 25 17:51:32 2007 by findlay-w!n=justin@gocastlerock.com; it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 44s ago. | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal power | 05:25 |
| infobot | "power" is "for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power, or the derivative of energy with respect to time || VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm" | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal #maemo power | 05:26 |
| infobot | "#maemo power" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption" | 05:26 |
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| ruskie | happy sysadmin appreciation day ;) | 08:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys using archlinux? (no not specifically on N900) | 08:32 |
| ruskie | on the eeepc 701 | 08:32 |
| psycho_oreos | you got mtd-utils installed for dev work with N900? :) | 08:32 |
| ruskie | nope | 08:33 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh ok, I just dropped by to soon announce AUR build of mtd-utils, the exact same version used on N900 | 08:33 |
| ruskie | still might be of interest... since the main use for that system is flashing if I need to ;) | 08:34 |
| ruskie | only x86 system I still have | 08:34 |
| ruskie | all others are x86-64 | 08:34 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I wouldn't know if this mtd-utils would work with x86-64, it may | 08:35 |
| psycho_oreos | actually, no, I somewhat doubt it if the old code has not been made compatible with big endian (? if I got that right) | 08:36 |
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| mintux | I would like to update my phone. how can I do that ? | 08:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~flash | 08:59 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:59 |
| psycho_oreos | that's one way, the other is by using that nokia pc suite (if you are using windows) | 08:59 |
| mintux | im on linux | 09:00 |
| ruskie | or you know... using application manager | 09:00 |
| ruskie | to update it | 09:00 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that'll be using OTA, not that I'd recommend it personally :D but that is indeed another method | 09:01 |
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| TimmyT | how can i find out the version of distribution i am using? fremantle-1.2 or fremantle-1.1 or fremantle-1.3 | 09:04 |
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| ruskie | see the about product | 09:05 |
| ruskie | that sholud give you the info | 09:05 |
| ruskie | then just look for that on the firmware download page | 09:06 |
| TimmyT | maemo 5 version:10.2010019-1 | 09:06 |
| mintux | what is last version | 09:06 |
| mintux | ? | 09:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | mintux: 20.2010.36-2 | 09:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | ruskie: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=51098 | 09:08 |
| TimmyT | irt | 09:09 |
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| TimmyT | it says: maemo 5 version:10.2010019-1 . what is the meaning of this? | 09:09 |
| psycho_oreos | TimmyT: you can also find out the firmware version via the command line: osso-product-info| grep VERSION | 09:09 |
| psycho_oreos | TimmyT: I believe that was the build date for the firmware, or it could be the release date with minor version numbers | 09:10 |
| psycho_oreos | if you followed what ruskie said completely, you will know which PR1.x version you have | 09:10 |
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| TimmyT | PR_MR0 | 09:11 |
| psycho_oreos | no that's not it | 09:12 |
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| TimmyT | im a debian user for many years, but maemo is a little bit confusing for me, i've bought this phone yesterday | 09:12 |
| psycho_oreos | you first find out the version number, which you already did. You then go to tablets-dev.nokia.com/N900.php (or something like that) and you compare the table with the version number outputted to see which PR1.x version you have | 09:13 |
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| TimmyT | i gtg, i'll come and ask later, tnx | 09:14 |
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| mintux1 | is it last version ? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM | 09:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | yes, as noted on the website | 09:49 |
| psycho_oreos | last official version from nokia anyway | 09:49 |
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| scoobertron | I am using the custom operator name package. I was wondering if it was possible to set the text without going via the settings menu, e.g. to write to a text file, so I could use this space to display the output of scripts. | 11:21 |
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| dm8tbr | look at the sources for that package? | 11:31 |
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| scoobertron | That might be a bit beyond my skillset. I will have a look though. I was just wondering if its settings were in a textfile somewhere. | 11:40 |
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| zap_ | Anyone knows why after last updates star-hash codes cheased to work? I remember there was a very-very-very old bug in the first Maemo versions, now it looks like it resurfaced again? | 11:47 |
| zap_ | I enter "*100#" and it tells me the network is inaccessible :) | 11:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | zap_: mine says "Request not completed" | 11:58 |
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| t3ngu | hello | 13:56 |
| hatake_kakashi | hi | 13:56 |
| t3ngu | I have a small issue with my n900 | 13:56 |
| t3ngu | (big issue but I try to be polite this morning) | 13:56 |
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| t3ngu | -last night I bricked it by changing some kernel settings. So this morning I tried to flash it. I flashed both files just like the wiki says | 13:57 |
| t3ngu | - now it boots , but I get an icon of nosim on the upper notification area. | 13:57 |
| ruskie | tried reseating the sim? | 13:58 |
| t3ngu | ok I will try this now. | 13:58 |
| hatake_kakashi | there was a thread about that, hmm lemme see if I can find it. The OP said the same thing but later on he change the thread topic on tmo | 13:59 |
| * t3ngu booting up again | 13:59 | |
| t3ngu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux this is what I follow | 14:00 |
| t3ngu | using these two imageS: | 14:00 |
| t3ngu | RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:00 |
| t3ngu | and second: | 14:00 |
| t3ngu | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:00 |
| hatake_kakashi | sounds like ancient firmwares there | 14:01 |
| t3ngu | I am complete n00b on nokia firmware, software etc | 14:01 |
| * t3ngu no-sim icon again. | 14:02 | |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:02 |
| hatake_kakashi | on the tablets-dev.nokia.com/N900.php (or whatever it is) website, you can see under the list of firmwares on the last column where it indicates the latest firmware | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: flash latest firmware | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:02 |
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| hatake_kakashi | and looks like someone has beaten me to it ;) | 14:03 |
| t3ngu | should I download the latest vanilla also from the same site? | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:03 |
| t3ngu | ok | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | emmc is same | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | it has never changed | 14:03 |
| t3ngu | 666kb/sec impressive, satanically impressive | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | that server can do 100MB/s | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | 125MB/s | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | gigabit link | 14:04 |
| t3ngu | I have 1000 fw in between I am at work atm | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: incorrect | 14:04 |
| hatake_kakashi | lol apparently (offtopic but fyi) that devil's number was supposedly to be 616 not 666 :) | 14:04 |
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| t3ngu | :( why 616? | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | spain? | 14:04 |
| t3ngu | who spain? | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | NL | 14:05 |
| hatake_kakashi | NL = Netherlands | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | i know | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | t3ngu: yes, get most recent of both files | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: the one he has is new enough | 14:06 |
| hatake_kakashi | and I don't know why 616 but news were saying that the articles were retranslated and they said its 616 not 666 | 14:06 |
| t3ngu | thats unfortunate. I live in the number 29A which in hex = 666(dec) | 14:06 |
| t3ngu | and I always considered it good luck | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | i don't believe in devil | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | and god | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | and anything like that | 14:07 |
| t3ngu | me neither but its cool to scare off old ladies | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | i think you would scare old ladies more by talking about HEXes rather than 29A | 14:08 |
| t3ngu | going back to subject since the image is almost at $HOME | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: friend :-D | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: flash EMMC | 14:08 |
| t3ngu | the vanilla img is the same so I won't getit | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: and then combined | 14:08 |
| hatake_kakashi | there's loads of superstitious people on the contrary :) I can still recall people wanting to have a baby on 06/06/2006 ironically enough.. the news at the time was spouting devil babies | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: or other way round | 14:08 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I'd also check the MD5SUM of the firmware image as well | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: just as long as you don't reboot in between it doesn't matter | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | t3ngu: I sugest you go for latest for *both* files. jacekowski disagrees | 14:09 |
| t3ngu | so the first flash is ./flash* -F <img.bin> -f (no -R) | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: he already has latest one | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: yes | 14:10 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: don't reboot/unplug in between | 14:10 |
| t3ngu | ok (and got to be root forgot that) | 14:10 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: if you do you will have to start over | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 14:10 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's ALL there | 14:10 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i think it says -R on wiki | 14:10 |
| t3ngu | true but that -R reboots it. | 14:10 |
| t3ngu | !! | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for SURE not | 14:10 |
| t3ngu | yes yes :) | 14:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | make sure that you have at least 20% battery capacity before attempting to reflash | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it does | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: If you installed the .deb version, run: | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're supposed to read the *whole* page, not quote out of context | 14:11 |
| t3ngu | i ddint install the .deb as its 32bit and I dont know what will it do with the libs | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure at some location it even suggests you *never* use -R | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | "" it's a stupid convenience thing anyway"" ;-P | 14:13 |
| t3ngu | CMT flashed successfully | 14:13 |
| t3ngu | going for the vanilla thingi | 14:13 |
| t3ngu | (sounds like ice cream) | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | useless | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: only on windows part | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 14:13 |
| t3ngu | i run: ./flasher* -F <image.bin> -f -R (the vanilla : RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin) | 14:13 |
| t3ngu | right? | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there is only one sentence about not using -R | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: without -R | 14:14 |
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| t3ngu | even the vanilla? | 14:14 |
| t3ngu | ok | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: you can reboot it later if it works | 14:14 |
| t3ngu | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. | 14:14 |
| hatake_kakashi | vanilla is a fairly well used term in the realm of linux :) vanilla just means stock/plain. Notably people use the word vanilla to refer to kernel versions | 14:14 |
| t3ngu | yes indeed, and this is an image which I find it strange | 14:14 |
| hatake_kakashi | and there's that -R flag | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: if you read wiki page, Run the following command (TIP: Do not include '-R' if you are flashing EMMC as well, see below): | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: on Windows chapter | 14:15 |
| t3ngu | Image(s) flashed successfully in 26.488 s (9662 kB/s)! | 14:15 |
| t3ngu | is it ok? | 14:15 |
| t3ngu | shall I boot? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: >> When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: yes | 14:15 |
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| * t3ngu here goes nothing | 14:15 | |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but that's emmc specific chapter | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i don't think it's the best written page | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | t3ngu: you booted | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | and it's not clear | 14:16 |
| t3ngu | its doing the 'micheal knight' thingi now | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I didn't start to mess it up, I only tried to fix things | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: it will take few minutes | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | i would get rid of most things | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | and start with most important things | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | correct commands that never fail | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | ( without -R ) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form: ((http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting)) | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: TL;DR | 14:18 |
| t3ngu | seems kinda frozen :( | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: it takes few minutes | 14:18 |
| t3ngu | the kit effect is frozen | 14:18 |
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| t3ngu | and grayed out | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait!! | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: it's copying stuff to emmc | 14:18 |
| t3ngu | ok ok | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | it takes like 10 minutes | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | boots slower than a sun server | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | maybe 5 | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | but i hope it will | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: try booting siemens WinCC | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | Win? | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS, *installs* faster than ubuntu | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | nah | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | thanks | 14:19 |
| t3ngu | why you hate me so much that I have to boot win kernel? | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | t3ngu: on 2x4 core xeon with 16GB of ram and raid10 with 4 SAS disks | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | it takes 40 minutes for whole thing to start | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | should be 2 mins | 14:20 |
| t3ngu | lol | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | windows takes ~2 minutes to start | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | rest of it is starting WinCC | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | siemens piece of shit | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | and similiar scada software made by allen bradley with 10x more tags starts on 200MHz amd geode in 5 minutes | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf TL;DR | 14:21 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: too long; didn't read | 14:21 |
| * t3ngu moet nog een koffie drinken | 14:21 | |
| jacekowski | back to work | 14:21 |
| t3ngu | jacekowski: thanks | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>These descriptions assume that you are using the latest official images. This page is not exactly a step-by-step instruction, so better read the whole page prior to starting the flashing process. | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | first sentence on page core text | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's italic, does it need BOLD too? | 14:24 |
| t3ngu | bald too :) | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | done - for you :-D | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | <3 | 14:39 |
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| t3ngu | Got to say that doesn't look too good | 14:45 |
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| t3ngu | I think the device is frozen... | 14:46 |
| hatake_kakashi | the loading icons are still animating? | 14:48 |
| t3ngu | had to reboot it | 14:49 |
| t3ngu | it was frozen really. | 14:49 |
| t3ngu | but I got some good news!!!! | 14:49 |
| t3ngu | FINALLY came in dutch | 14:49 |
| t3ngu | and asked for Pin code | 14:50 |
| t3ngu | ! | 14:50 |
| t3ngu | (yes I live in NL as well) | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | t3ngu: please reload ~flash page, and follow the steps as mentioned there. | 14:59 |
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| t3ngu | DocScrutinizer: I am done. I got it working. | 14:59 |
| t3ngu | Now I need to find out how I had all the settings before | 14:59 |
| t3ngu | but it seems to be working (really!) | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't need to if you did a backup using backup app. The backup has all your settings (well, most of them) | 15:00 |
| t3ngu | what backup :) | 15:00 |
| t3ngu | I was playing with the kernel settings last night before bricking it. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 15:01 |
| t3ngu | its ok I got vcf's for contacts and ics for cals | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you want to learn about backupmenu app! | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | does complete image | 15:01 |
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| t3ngu | eh, not the first time I lose all my data so its ok | 15:01 |
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| t3ngu | I am used to it :) | 15:01 |
| t3ngu | but I will follow your advise | 15:02 |
| t3ngu | advice | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | learn2backupmenu! praise robbiethe1st | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | backupmenu != Nokia backup app | 15:02 |
| t3ngu | I bet | 15:02 |
| t3ngu | 1st I need to get the root pkg | 15:03 |
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| t3ngu | so I can ssh to it | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootsh is the name | 15:03 |
| t3ngu | that yes | 15:03 |
| Primes | hello, I'm using n900 maemo pr1.3. I installed uboot. Next I want to load the maemo. I have a 16GB memory card available. So, is it better to download the image to a win PC, to a linux PC or direct to the n900? | 15:03 |
| Primes | ^^ want to load the MEEGO | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not ssh but simple "root" command to get root | 15:04 |
| t3ngu | DocScrutinizer: yes yes, flashing is my weak spot. *nix is my strong one :) | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 15:04 |
| robbiethe1st | flashing's simple. especially on Linux | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi robbiethe1st :-D | 15:04 |
| robbiethe1st | On x86_64 linux, though, you have to have the ia32-libs | 15:05 |
| robbiethe1st | :P | 15:05 |
| dm8tbr | Primes: if you have a card ready then head to the meego wiki and write an current image to it | 15:05 |
| dm8tbr | Primes: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition#Installing_and_running | 15:05 |
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| x29a | hm, if i wanted to use qwt with my qt app on the n900, id need to compile the lib for arm. can the qtsdk do that for me? or should i get codesourcery toolchain for thatß | 15:12 |
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| Primes | thanks dm8tbr, I know I need to put the image onto the flash card, but what is the best way to write the image onto the card? Using n900, using a linux, using a windows? | 15:20 |
| hatake_kakashi | linux would probably be simpler | 15:20 |
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| Primes | if I plug my n900 into a linux PC using a USB cable, can I flash the meego image from the linux PC? | 15:22 |
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| ruskie | yup | 15:23 |
| ruskie | ~flash | 15:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:23 |
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| t3ngu | goodbye and thanks for all the help. Great support :) | 15:28 |
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| dm8tbr | ruskie: wrong flash in this context | 15:48 |
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| ruskie | ow meego... | 15:48 |
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| ruskie | wouldn't that be a better question in #meego ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nb N900 in mass storage mode does NOT expose the physical device, so you probably can't use dd to it, to write a whole uSD image incl partitioning and all to it | 15:50 |
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| Primes | yes thanks ruskie it would fit better there. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you should probably use a proper linux with local cardreader and uSD plugged in. Doesn't matter if this is your N900 now, or an arbitrary desktop box with linux | 15:52 |
| chem|st | will take ages on the n900 though | 15:53 |
| chem|st | but -->#meego | 15:53 |
| Primes | Docs: my linux box has an external cardreader with SD slot, I don't know if it understands v2 SDHC sizes though. So I will format from the n900 if possible | 15:53 |
| dm8tbr | chem|st: actually #meego-arm | 15:54 |
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| chem|st | umount the right device and flash to the right dev and be aware that the boot time order is not the right dev order + what dm8tbr said! | 15:55 |
| chem|st | s/boot\ time/boottime/ | 15:55 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: why not dd directly from maemo? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Primes: see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted#Install_MeeGo_image - also notice that all cardreaders shall understand SDHC nowadays | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: that's what I suggested | 15:59 |
| BCMM | oh, sorry | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: >> Doesn't matter if this is your N900 now, or an arbitrary desktop box with linux << | 15:59 |
| BCMM | ah, i wondered what that meant | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Primes: so your safest approach is to do the steps as mentioned at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted#Install_MeeGo_image on your N900 under maemo | 16:00 |
| BCMM | i know where i went wrong; i assumed "proper linux" was being used to imply something was missing from maemo | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | au contraire, BCMM. Au contraire :-D | 16:01 |
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| NIN101 | I kinda "flashed" the meego image through mass-storage mode all the time using dd. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for possible speed issues, as chem|st mentioned, there's probably no cleaner better defined way to do it than n maemo on N900 | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: that can not work | 16:04 |
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| Primes | GNU nano refused to install from app manager because of missing library name something like ncurses. By adding a catalog and apt-get install I was able to add nano which also loaded the dependent library. It works. But it is nano 2.0.2. The one in my app manager is newer. So, will I just install the newer nano from app manager (which will have the library now) or some other way? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if you already had the uSD formatted in superfloppy format | 16:04 |
| Primes | what nano versions do you have on your n900 nano -V | 16:04 |
| cehteh | nano -V | 16:04 |
| cehteh | GNU nano Version 2.2.6 (compiliert um 03:36:51, Dec 2 2010) | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nano? WTF is nano? ;-D | 16:05 |
| cehteh | mhm ... i wonder if it would be fun to hack lua to nano and make it sciptable | 16:05 |
| cehteh | call it micro then :P | 16:05 |
| rlinfati | Hi, i have problem trying to use c-obs for harmattan :( can someone helpme? the build log is http://pastebin.com/1Ga4a4XX | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I usually try to avoid touching it at all, as it's a pain without help | 16:06 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: vi? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc | 16:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | ed | 16:07 |
| cehteh | i like nano a lot for small (configfile) editing jobs | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed | 16:07 |
| cehteh | but otherwise i use emacs .. which unfortunally is pain slow when you add too much blink :P | 16:08 |
| cehteh | (cedet.sf.net) | 16:08 |
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| Primes | hello cehteh, yes 2.2.6 is the one listed in app manager that would not load before. Now that the library seems installed, maybe it will just load, but will it conflict with the older 2.0.2 version? If I removed that? how? would the library stay installed ready for the 2.2.6? | 16:08 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I personally use vim a lot, it has syntax highlighting and some very nifty sed functionalities | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet nano is smart and all, but I fail to remember the commands | 16:08 |
| cehteh | Primes: no idea, i just installed it and it worked | 16:09 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i hardly use much ... search/replace copy/paste save and exit. thats enough | 16:09 |
| Primes | lol just like Apple, it just works :-) But their html5 browser support is poor lol | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the UI is fatally resembling me at word2.0 | 16:09 |
| cehteh | i was thinking about switching to SciTE but it lacks some stuff i need | 16:10 |
| Primes | I installed vim, but I think it is a learning curve for me | 16:10 |
| cehteh | hey can anyone please make a much much faster elisp engine .. with JIT favorably | 16:10 |
| cehteh | or something like emacs but in lua | 16:11 |
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| cehteh | well the problem is the awesome much code already written in elisp :P | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: plus I did a holy promise to never touch any system that doesn't have NC / mc installed, so using mcedit is quite naturally for me | 16:12 |
| hatake_kakashi | it'll be another learning curve from vi/vim to emacs | 16:12 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I started with pico (which was the proprietary software that was part of pine and the GNU version was later and is now made as nano) but then realised vim was so much more powerful | 16:13 |
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| cehteh | i dont like mc :P | 16:18 |
| Primes | sorry for the noob question but if I installed nano 2.0.2 using apt-get install, how will I uninstall it, and will that also remove the library that it installed with it? | 16:18 |
| cehteh | better dont use apt-get directly use the application manager | 16:19 |
| cehteh | it takes care | 16:19 |
| Primes | My friend Alex who is in the local Ruby user group was impressed when my N900 could run Ruby scripting | 16:19 |
| hatake_kakashi | apt-get remove nano | 16:20 |
| cehteh | ruby is even slower than python .. and that a lot :P | 16:20 |
| cehteh | apt-get remove --purge nano | 16:20 |
| hatake_kakashi | ah bleh *slaps self in the forehead* knee jerk reaction | 16:20 |
| Primes | cehteh, yes but the app manager was not loading it so I was forced to go the apt-get route. If it now has the library needed, app manager may work to load it | 16:20 |
| cehteh | but careful the application manager puts some extra fairy dust on apt | 16:20 |
| cehteh | huh? | 16:20 |
| Primes | thankyou kakashi I will try it | 16:20 |
| cehteh | if app manager doesnt work for you then something serious is broken :P | 16:21 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I find HAM rather annoying at times :)　fapman is so much more convenient (it heavily relies on the existing debian package management system, unlike HAM which uses its own obnoxious ways) | 16:22 |
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| mintux | what is repository of nokia I got 403 error from http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ | 16:23 |
| mintux | http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps | 16:23 |
| hatake_kakashi | its meant to be https | 16:23 |
| Primes | cehteh I find a few apps won't install by app manager because of some missing it reports in the window "problems" in app manager | 16:23 |
| mintux | I upgraded my phone | 16:24 |
| hatake_kakashi | and 403 iirc means forbidden | 16:24 |
| mintux | http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps | 16:25 |
| Primes | ok thanks everyone I now have nano 2.2.6 installed from app manager | 16:26 |
| cehteh | mintux: https! | 16:27 |
| mintux | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps | 16:27 |
| mintux | both of them I got error | 16:27 |
| cehteh | how do you connect? | 16:27 |
| mintux | in my phone I got this error. now I open it in my browser in my pc | 16:28 |
| mintux | and got access denied | 16:28 |
| mintux | You don't have permission to access "http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps" on this server. Reference #18.ce407b5c.1311946038.29df6bff | 16:28 |
| hatake_kakashi | you can't open it with your normal browser | 16:28 |
| cehteh | from the phone it should work, browser may not work, maybe they need a client side certificate which is installed on your phone | 16:29 |
| mintux | both of them return same error | 16:29 |
| mintux | could you test it on your phone ? | 16:29 |
| Primes | is the latest opera on maemo n900 the 11.0beta1-9fremantle0 ? | 16:29 |
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| hatake_kakashi | no it needs username and password which is available in plaintext, but the server doesn't allow you to browse its own internal directory (which means you must specifically get a file, rather than index.html for instance) | 16:30 |
| mintux | you can open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ but http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps | 16:30 |
| cehteh | https! :P | 16:30 |
| mintux | hatake_kakashi: no. it's not server problem to browse it | 16:30 |
| cehteh | works for me | 16:30 |
| mintux | cehteh: test with https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps | 16:30 |
| mintux | not different | 16:30 |
| cehteh | mintux: will not work in a browser | 16:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | mintux, you can't browse downloads.maemo.nokia.com with a normal browser | 16:31 |
| cehteh | they obliviously check for a client certificate | 16:31 |
| mintux | hatake_kakashi: but it didn't work on my phone that I test it in normal browser | 16:31 |
| cehteh | maybe one can import the cert into a normal browser .. i never tried | 16:31 |
| mintux | maybe nokia filter my country | 16:31 |
| cehteh | mintux: how did you tried that with the phone? app manager? | 16:32 |
| mintux | cehteh: yes | 16:32 |
| cehteh | and you pasted serveral times about http .. it must be https | 16:32 |
| hatake_kakashi | mintux, you cannot verify it with a normal browser. You basically have to use HAM, fapman or a customised wget functionality | 16:32 |
| mintux | cehteh: it's https on my phone | 16:32 |
| cehteh | maybe microb will work as you have the certs there | 16:32 |
| mintux | I try with apt-get now | 16:32 |
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| hatake_kakashi | actually `apt-get update' should work, so will aptitude update | 16:33 |
| mintux | hatake_kakashi:sudo want password | 16:33 |
| mintux | before it doesn't wantr | 16:33 |
| cehteh | no microb doesnt work either | 16:34 |
| hatake_kakashi | mintux, you've never set user password before? | 16:34 |
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| mintux | hatake_kakashi: I flash my phone . and upgrade it. yes I set but it doesn't ask from me. also it doesn't work with that passwords | 16:35 |
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| mintux | doest it have default password | 16:35 |
| mintux | ? | 16:35 |
| hatake_kakashi | there's no default user password | 16:35 |
| mintux | so what shall I do? | 16:36 |
| mintux | it doesn't accept any password from me | 16:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | passwd | 16:37 |
| mintux | sudo apt-get update | 16:37 |
| cehteh | dont use sudo | 16:37 |
| hatake_kakashi | and then type in new password, and confirm | 16:37 |
| cehteh | use rootsh | 16:37 |
| cehteh | well possibly fucked it up already :P | 16:37 |
| cehteh | installed ssh? | 16:37 |
| mintux | the password for user cannot be changed | 16:37 |
| mintux | rootsh: not found | 16:37 |
| hatake_kakashi | rootsh is a package | 16:37 |
| cehteh | hehe install it .. ah moment you cant .. | 16:38 |
| cehteh | wtf .. what have you done to your phone? | 16:38 |
| mintux | my repository doesn't work . passwd -sudo su doesn't work after upgrade | 16:38 |
| cehteh | sounds something is broken | 16:38 |
| mintux | just do it from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:39 |
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| hatake_kakashi | you need to study linux CLI more mintux, sudo requires user password, not root password. su requires root password. passwd does not require any other parameters if one is setting the password for that logged in user (in terminal obviously) | 16:40 |
| mintux | hatake_kakashi: I am linux administrator . and I know everything about CLI linux. I had two password and use them when I I want to connect from ssh .both of them doesn't work | 16:41 |
| hatake_kakashi | mintux, sounds like you don't know everything about linux　CLI from my perspective | 16:43 |
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| mintux | hatake_kakashi: CLI means Command line interface | 16:43 |
| hatake_kakashi | and so what is wrong with installing rootsh? have you tried to alleviate via r&d mode? | 16:43 |
| mintux | and both of password doesn't work and I think it should doesn't work because / formated | 16:44 |
| mintux | I saw /etc/passwd also | 16:44 |
| mintux | no | 16:44 |
| hatake_kakashi | mintux, yes I　know what it means, understanding the acronym doesn't mean much when there's bazillion programs available in command line realm | 16:44 |
| mintux | just step by step form that manual | 16:44 |
| mintux | my image was RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:44 |
| hatake_kakashi | from which manual? | 16:45 |
| mintux | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:45 |
| mintux | sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 16:45 |
| hatake_kakashi | I don't think that wiki page is going to help you with repository issues | 16:46 |
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| mintux | my problem now is the passwords doesn't work. app manager doesn't connect to nokia repository for install new softwares | 16:47 |
| hatake_kakashi | have you bothered to install rootsh yet? | 16:48 |
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| mintux | hatake_kakashi: I will try it now | 16:48 |
| Primes | is there a way to check or confirm the n900 lock code without locking the device? I assume I have the default 12345 lock code but I'm not sure | 16:49 |
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| mintux | what is http://swipe.nokia.com | 16:51 |
| mintux | ? | 16:51 |
| cehteh | some web designer was bored | 16:52 |
| mintux | when I open http://maemo.nokia.com redirect to that | 16:52 |
| Primes | swipe is the new UI for n9, they are using the URL to plug the new model(s). It is redirecting the "Maemo select" to the swipe area. I wanted to know what was there before that | 16:52 |
| hatake_kakashi | Primes, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=435433&postcount=5 | 16:52 |
| mintux | maybe maemo doesn't support anymore with nokia | 16:52 |
| mintux | and it doesn't work me | 16:53 |
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| Primes | I was refer to the lock code on the device, not the linux password that hash can be cracked. | 16:54 |
| hatake_kakashi | Primes, have a look closely where it obtains the code | 16:54 |
| * cehteh wonders when nokia will shutdown the maemo.org servers | 16:55 | |
| Primes | I bought my n900 used. It is not locked to a network. But I might like to use the locking feature. Unfortunately if the previous user set a code then did not return it to default I'm worried if I try it I will be locked out | 16:55 |
| hatake_kakashi | /dev/mtd1 != /etc/{passwd,passwd-,shadow,shadow-) | 16:55 |
| Primes | cehteh, they will do it when windows phone 7 is successful, so I think we're ok for a while hahaha | 16:55 |
| cehteh | Primes: there is some way to hack the lockcode as long you have access to the device .. described somewhere on talk.maemo.org | 16:56 |
| hatake_kakashi | s/)/}/ | 16:56 |
| infobot | hatake_kakashi meant: /dev/mtd1 != /etc/{passwd,passwd-,shadow,shadow-} | 16:56 |
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| Primes | I don't need to hack the lock code I just want to check the lock code I have is the actual one | 16:56 |
| hatake_kakashi | you can't check it without hacking it, get it? | 16:57 |
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| mintux | I have to disable nokia repository | 16:58 |
| mintux | just maemo.org I have | 16:59 |
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| cehteh | Primes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 | 17:01 |
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| Primes | I want to type this on my n900: echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): but how to obtain the vertical line pipe symbol on my keyboard? | 17:16 |
| hatake_kakashi | blue arrow + sym key | 17:16 |
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| Primes | thanks kakashi, that's really neat | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | blue + ctrl | 17:19 |
| * X-Fade just got a low battery alarm from his N950 which he last charged 8 days ago. | 17:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | You're not using it enough! | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: That one was idle, connected to wifi, yes. | 17:22 |
| * hatake_kakashi wonders how long will maemo.org site last without Nokia's full backing now. There's already a few posts on a thread on speculations of disappearing act with maemo.org. People are slowly wanting to create mirrors | 17:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | Connected to GSM too? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt that | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: No, did not have a sim in it. | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | N900 does about the same | 17:23 |
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| Primes | ok I was able to extract the lock code password from my n900. On a desktop opensuse 11.4 I ran john the ripper and verified that the lock code is 12345. Now I can use the locking without being locked out yay! | 17:33 |
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| Primes | It took under a second of processing time | 17:34 |
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| cehteh | 5 character passwords out of a 10 character alphabet isnt really much | 17:48 |
| hatake_kakashi | especially if its just numbers, 10^5-1 possibilities? :) | 17:49 |
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| TimmyT | i want to install opera mobile on my n900, but when i select that for installation it says: unable to install opera mobile . application package missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.22). what is its problem? | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | hildon is one of the platform libraries | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | have you upgraded to the latest firmware version? | 19:00 |
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| TimmyT | mgedmin: dunno, i've bought this device yesterday, i dunno which version it is using | 19:01 |
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| TimmyT | mgedmin: how can i find out? | 19:02 |
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| mgedmin | TimmyT, Settings -> About Device | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | will give you the version number | 19:07 |
| TimmyT | mgedmin: uname -a says: | 19:07 |
| TimmyT | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | better run osso-product-info | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | latest firmware is 20.2010.36-2_PR, I think | 19:08 |
| TimmyT | mgedmin: OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | yes, that's not the latest one | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | you should be able to upgrade over the air | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | via App manger | 19:09 |
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| mgedmin | if it doesn't offer you a system update, look here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:09 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Hey, the symlink approach does not work in scratchbox | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, please be more specific | 19:12 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: scratchbox will not follow the symlink | 19:12 |
| RST38h | says the directory is missing | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | I believe I said that you cannot access the host filesystem from inside scratchbox | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | (unless you create a bind mount) | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | I use a symlink to access the scratchbox target filesystem from the host system more conveniently | 19:13 |
| RST38h | ah shit | 19:14 |
| RST38h | So, how do I access my source code from scratchbox? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | you copy it there | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | mv ~/src/random-project ~/scratchbox/ | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | is what I do | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | then when I sb-login, I can work in ./random-project | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | and when I don't sb-login, I can work in ~/scratchbox/random-project | 19:15 |
| RST38h | rotfl | 19:15 |
| RST38h | I...*copy* them there? The whole tree? And maintain two copies of the tree? :) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | you, sb1 people, are funny. | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | you're absolutely right, and that's why I changed my mind midstream and gave you an example that used 'mv' | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | and not 'cp' | 19:16 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Nice. So, once I do mv, how do I continue developing for Windows or Android or Linux desktop? | 19:17 |
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| mgedmin | same way you did before? | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | except instead of cd ~/src/yourproject you cd ~/scratchbox/yourproject | 19:18 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I just moved the files | 19:20 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: from my windoze disk to some weird subir under /scratchbox | 19:20 |
| RST38h | in linux, not accessible from windoze | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | ah! *now* I understand your predicament | 19:20 |
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| mgedmin | you want your source tree to reside on a Windows partition | 19:21 |
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| mgedmin | ok, in that case symlinks will not help | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | but bind mounts would | 19:21 |
| RST38h | mgedminL I want my source tree to reside where I want it to reside, not under /scratchbox | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | a bind mount can make it appear in two places at the same time | 19:22 |
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| mgedmin | sudo mount --bind /path/to/your/source/tree /scratchbox/users/rst38h/home/rst38h/emptydirectoryname | 19:23 |
| RST38h | aha, much better =) | 19:23 |
| * RST38h is trying to do the same with /etc/mtab | 19:23 | |
| mgedmin | I wonder how build tools will cope with NTFS semantics | 19:24 |
| RST38h | I doubt they will care | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | you'll find out, I guess | 19:26 |
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| Primes | on nokia n900 contacts list for dialler, is it possible to store a contact for "O2 network balance check" where the number to dial is *#10# | 19:28 |
| RST38h | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > mount | 19:28 |
| RST38h | bash: mount: command not found | 19:28 |
| RST38h | ? | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, you run the mount on the host system, obviously | 19:30 |
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| mgedmin | Primes, I dunno, have you tried? | 19:30 |
| Primes | in the dialled number field I don't seem to be able to enter the star prefix | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | hm. | 19:30 |
| Primes | my old nokia 8310 (not even colour screen) could do this lol | 19:31 |
| Primes | I can manually enter *#10# in the dialler and it will return my network credit | 19:31 |
| Sicelo | i think that's what arhash-enabler is for | 19:32 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: except I will not see it from inside sb | 19:32 |
| Primes | but, I want to store that code. There is some update in app manager for star code services, is that relevant? | 19:32 |
| Sicelo | s/ar/star/ | 19:32 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: i think that's what starhash-enabler is for | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, aaaaugh yes you will | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, /scratchbox/users/rst38h/ *is* what you see inside scratchbox | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | so if you mount something under it, you'll see it in scratchbox | 19:33 |
| RST38h | hmm...ok | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | run mount, you'll notice that /scratchbox itself is bind-mounted on /scratchbox/users/XXX/scratchbox | 19:34 |
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| mgedmin | so bind mounts provably work | 19:34 |
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| RST38h | YAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 19:36 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Works. | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | :) | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Next step: trying to compile a Qt version of EMULib | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | Ok, no pkg-config | 19:39 |
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| mgedmin | really? | 19:39 |
| RST38h | sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > file /usr/bin/pkg-config | 19:39 |
| RST38h | usr/bin/pkg-config: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 19:40 |
| RST38h | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > pkg-config | 19:40 |
| RST38h | bash: /usr/bin/pkg-config: No such file or directory | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | weird! | 19:40 |
| RST38h | I.e. the file is there, but it does not run | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > pkg-config | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | Must specify package names on the command line | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | I think your HARMATTAN_ARMEL target is broken | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | sb-conf show -> http://pastie.org/2290695 | 19:41 |
| RST38h | none of the arm binaries run | 19:41 |
| TimmyT | im using debian amd64 edition, which version of flasher i've to download and use? that download page is a little bit confusion | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Devkits: qemu | 19:41 |
| RST38h | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | TimmyT, flasher-3.5 | 19:42 |
| RST38h | qemu starts | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | although I'm on a x86 host; don't know if flasher works on amd64 | 19:42 |
| RST38h | When running qemu-arm-sb pkg-config, it runs | 19:43 |
| TimmyT | mgedmin: dunno, there are sum libraries to run x86 apps in amd64 arch | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if pkg-config is overwritten by some devkit in mine | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | TimmyT, I think I once tried to flash on my amd64 desktop, and it worked, but I don't remember for sure | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | TimmyT, google says it will work: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/7218 | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | unless a newer flasher (or a newer kernel) introduced a bug :) | 19:44 |
| RST38h | Ok, fixed this one by adding devkits | 19:45 |
| RST38h | It compiles now | 19:45 |
| RST38h | OMG I HAVE GOT A BINARY | 19:47 |
| RST38h | Next: packaging | 19:47 |
| RST38h | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > file speccy | 19:47 |
| RST38h | speccy: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 19:47 |
| RST38h | or will this satanic aegis thingie let me run my app without packaging? | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | if you're this happy from seeing a binary in scratchbox, I can't wait until you try out Qt Creator :) | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | there's no aegis in scratchbox | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | you can't run a binary on the n950 without first dpkg'ing | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | although maybe develsh would let you? | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: tried it yesterday. The freaking excuse for an IDE could not even run compiled binarieson the emulator | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: its own sample binaries | 19:49 |
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| mgedmin | it took a *really* long time for the emulator to startup | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Uninstalled | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | but then it worked for me | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Well for me it could not find dh-make and dpkg did not work either | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Under Windoze though, maybe it simply does not work under Windoze (but nobody warns you of this) | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | maybe nobody tried it under Windows | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | <bigotry> what developer would choose Windows as his development platform of choice? </bigotry> <duck_and_hide /> | 19:50 |
| RST38h | mgedmin:Look, I had 5.5GB free on WIndoze, and 2.5GB freeon Linux.The goddamn QtSDK needs at least 3.5GB | 19:51 |
| RST38h | So, I gave it a try under Windows. No doughnut. | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | yeah, /opt/QtSDK is 5.5 GB on my laptop | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | Is there an example of the debian packaging for harmattan somewhere? | 19:53 |
| RST38h | namely,the control file and whatever aegis wants | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | plain old debian control files work | 19:54 |
| RST38h | yes, but what should put in and where do the binaries usuallygo? | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | one of the devkits replaces dpkg-gencontrol and makes it add the aegis stuff automatically | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | binaries go to /usr/bin, like usual | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | you can add an icon to your debian/control if you wish | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | and you can add 'Maemo-Flags: visible' if you want your package to be listed in the app manager | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html -> Platform guide -> Packaging your application with Harmattan Platform SDK | 19:56 |
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| RST38h | aha | 19:59 |
| RST38h | same icon size as in fremangle? | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember; check the docs | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | I haven't bothered with icons yet | 20:00 |
| RST38h | XB-Maemo-Flags? | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | which is a shame, since packrat extracts and shows them | 20:00 |
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| * RST38h giggles happily | 20:01 | |
| RST38h | [in a voice of the "Crucifying Jesus" character] That was *my* idea =) | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: do I still need osso-service? | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | I don't even know what it is | 20:06 |
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| mgedmin | let me put it this way: when I ported vim and fbreader, I did not encounter anything called 'osso-service' | 20:06 |
| RST38h | ok, removing it | 20:06 |
| Primes | what is the default SMS app in n900 I can reply to inbound SMS, but can't see how to launch it to make a new one | 20:07 |
| Corsac | Conversations | 20:07 |
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| Primes | thankyou corsar I added an icon to launch it | 20:16 |
| Scifig | Shameless plug. Can anyone please test and vote for my app in extras-testing? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/marketstoday/0.3-0maemo5/ | 20:18 |
| * ShadowJK goes check it out | 20:22 | |
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| Shapeshifter | I just noticed my screen frame is not tight anymore. the bottom and top sides can be pushed together | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | also, the magnet on the stand fell off and the frame of the keyboard at the bottom has been slightly elevated early on | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not exactly the best piece of hardware I've seen, quality wisw | 20:32 |
| * mgedmin lost the stand magnet too | 20:32 | |
| mgedmin | friction still keeps the stand closed | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: mine isn't lost, it's sticking to the other end. I need to reglue i | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | t | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | I think mine's the same way | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | but I'm not technical enough to use glue :) | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | that would count as hardware hacking in my book | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | and I'm a pure software guy | 20:33 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, the N900 is opensource, sticky-patches welcome | 20:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | and then there's of course the usb port | 20:34 |
| * ShadowJK tries to remember what the trick was to make the upvote button on packages.maemo.org actually work | 20:36 | |
| Shapeshifter | is there some way to have the fm transmitter not turn off when hitting pause in the mediaplayer? also, is there some way to tell media player not to stop when exiting, but instead pause? | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | ah, editing the url and replacing http with https was the trick | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:/home/user/MyDocs# speccy | 20:50 |
| RST38h | -sh: speccy: Operation not permitted | 20:50 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: No doughnut here either | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | did you build a deb, or just copy the binary over? | 20:51 |
| Scifig | ShadowJK - Thanks for the vote | 20:51 |
| RST38h | built and installed a deb | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | :/ | 20:51 |
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| mgedmin | does it have all the right digsigsums stuff? | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | (as if I knew how to check...) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | no idea | 20:53 |
| Shapeshifter | man I should be grateful that we at least have a device as close to linux as this | 20:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's 2011 and it's still not taken for granted that I can just rsync some music while on the train, listen to it at the same time and write something on irc while waiting for an install to complete on a remote server I'm accessing through ssh. | 21:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | I need to buy a spare battery though :< | 21:05 |
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| mgedmin | you won't have _that_ problem with the n9 | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | (unless you decide to buy a spare n9 instead, I suppose) | 21:07 |
| Shapeshifter | it's sealed? | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | well I'm not interested anyway. need a keyboard. it's a shame they dont sell the N950 | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | I agree with you there | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | don't know what I'll do when nokia asks for the N950 back | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | although the vkb is surprisingly good | 21:09 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: you bastard have one :> | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | and I lived with they keyboardless 770 quite happily | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Would you mind send me your packaging stuff? Like debian/ and control? | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | my packaging stuff of what? | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | everything I've built has proper source packages publicly available at http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/ | 21:13 |
| RST38h | thanks! | 21:13 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: both vim and fbreader install and run on harmattan? | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | I should move fbreader from experimental/ to user/ | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: got a repo btw? | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | that url you saw was a repo | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/770/ has more info | 21:25 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | why do I have /var/lib/dpkg/lock? | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | ok, it's gone now | 21:25 |
| RST38h | crashed dpkg or something | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: apt-worker | 22:36 |
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| Cor-Ai | to bad your not in #ubuntu, DocScrutinizer51! your always so acctiv and helpfull! :P | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Cor-Ai: why this sarcasm? | 22:40 |
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| mgedmin | ps|grep apt didn't show anything | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | neither did ps|grep dpkg | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | the timestamp was weird -- between 1 and 2 am | 22:41 |
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| Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer51: no sarcasm! :) | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | and then the lock file just up and disappeared after a while | 22:41 |
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| mgedmin | I'd opened the Applications thingy from Settings | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | and with it open tried to apt-get install | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | when I got the dpkg lock, I closed both Applications and Settings | 22:42 |
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| mgedmin | the lock did not go away | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | then I ran apt-get update | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | after that the lock was gone | 22:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Scifig, btw, if you have a ticker in the app, and press the infobutton to get to detailed info, the news list scrolling bleeds through | 23:12 |
| * ShadowJK hopes he remembered right nickname | 23:13 | |
| Scifig | ShadowJK, Yes I noticed that. | 23:13 |
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| Scifig | This is my first QML app. Still have lot to understand :) | 23:15 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, do the historic graphs work for you? | 23:16 |
| Scifig | Yes, they do. Aren't they working for you? | 23:16 |
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| Scifig | What happens when you click on other buttons? | 23:16 |
| wazd | hi all | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | you mean the different time periods? | 23:17 |
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| Scifig | yes. | 23:18 |
| Scifig | hi wazd | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | Spinning circle in the middle, no hint that a button is selected or has been pushed | 23:18 |
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| Scifig | ShadowJK, sent you a PRIVMSG to take the discussion offline. | 23:28 |
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| TimmyT | I have installed pidgin on my phone, but when i want to connect my yahoo account it doesn't work.it says: Unable to validate certificate | 23:32 |
| TimmyT | Unable to connect to login.yahoo.com | 23:33 |
| TimmyT | How i can fix it? | 23:34 |
| Sicelo | u finally flashed? | 23:36 |
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| TimmyT | Not yet.but i'll do it today.i've just 230 mb available bandwidth in my adsl account.i must buy account first | 23:39 |
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| TimmyT | I'll do it as soon as possible | 23:40 |
| Sicelo | my gprs is bad tonight, so my pidgin unstable... | 23:41 |
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| Sicelo | but for yahoo, hope all your settings, esp ports, are corredt | 23:42 |
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| TimmyT | They're ok.before i have similar problem in my pc.i just updated pidgn.but here dunno wat to do | 23:43 |
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| Sicelo | that's why i asked if u had flashed yet :/ there's a yahoo add-on for Converstions. maybe u could install that and compare | 23:47 |
| Sicelo | s/rst/rsat/ | 23:48 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: that's why i asked if u had flashed yet :/ there's a yahoo add-on for Conversations. maybe u could install that and compare | 23:48 |
| edheldil_ | What Qt widget or layout to use to implement something like n900's task launcher or image viewer? The QGridLaout looks a bit too static | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | none, you need your own widget | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | TimmyT: /win 19 | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | omg | 23:54 |
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