IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-07-20

casketizeralso no flash and crapkit based browser00:00
casketizerbut n950 has that too ofc00:00
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casketizerhas anyone tried if the oracle java works in harmattan?00:01
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tralalalaloi am fcked01:54
tralalalalocalling doesnt work01:54
tralalalalotested sim on diferent phone01:54
tralalalaloco its something wrong with n90001:54
tralalalaloit gives me calling menu ... writing calling but nothing happens01:55
tralalalaloSMS ... pushing button send ... nothing happens01:58
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NIN101Is the NAND touched when I use "flasher -l -k ... -b"?02:02
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NIN101as far as I understand, the kernel is just loaded into RAM, so it shouldn't, right?02:04
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jadamczerunning gdb on my n900, looking for a simpler breakdown of cpsr flags than I'm getting from "info registers" - any suggestions? (including more appropriate channels for the question)02:06
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keriojadamcze: stop doing that and go skiing02:09
kerioor go swimming, it's probably better, given the heat02:09
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tralalalalois there some advatage before performing emmc flash... not only fiasco?04:21
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ShadowJKtralalalalo, i don't understand the question04:46
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DocScrutinizer(N9) ::
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DocScrutinizertbh actually I have a hard time see N9 going any sane direction, I'd even not be surprised when meegoCE never got proper support on *any* Nokia phone except N90004:57
DocScrutinizerand M6 aka harmattan is as dead as can be04:57
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.05:01
DocScrutinizer>> The presentation made frequent use of other terms that we frequently associate with the context of security, such as “attack”, “malicious code”, “spoofing”, as well as “trusted”. None of them means what it normally means. “Attack” doesn't mean someone trying to hurt you, it means you trying to copy music. “Malicious code” means code installed by you to do what someone else doesn't want your machine to do. “05:04
DocScrutinizerSpoofing” doesn't mean someone's fooling you, it means your fooling Palladium. And so on. <<05:04
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: Spoofing” doesn't mean someone's fooling you, it means your fooling Aegis. And so on. <<05:04, though.05:05
GeneralAntillesI mean, c'mon.05:05
DocScrutinizerwell, when Stallman got a point, then he got a pont05:05
DocScrutinizererr period05:06
GeneralAntillesNote there's no DRM in Aegis.05:06
GeneralAntillesSo, meh.05:06
GeneralAntillesThere's clearly a correct way to work with Aegis.05:06
GeneralAntillesWe just don't know what it is right now.05:06
cehtehlick some nokia asses to get free community contributions signed?05:07
DocScrutinizerDRM is easily implemented by arbitrary apps using encryption/decryption (like CSS)05:07
cehtehreally .. thats the WROOOOONG direction05:07
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DocScrutinizerthose apps will enforce a "secure" environment, and THAT *IS* DRM05:08
cehtehi like secure devices .. but it should not lock out the owner05:08
GeneralAntillesThen don't use them.05:08
cehtehwith no rationale and under no circumstances05:08
DocScrutinizerstating Aehis has no DRM is mere BS, done by Nokia for a good reason05:08
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, I'll way for more information before I start issuing my summary judgements.05:09
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: please read the article linked above, even while it's gnu.org05:09
GeneralAntillesI'm familiar with the argument.05:10
GeneralAntillesBut am going with an "insufficient information" exception for the time being. :)05:10
DocScrutinizerso how could you say "don't use them"05:10
DocScrutinizeractually that'S exactly my text: "Don't buy N9!"05:10
GeneralAntillesDon't use the applications.05:11
GeneralAntillesThat doesn't except using an N9 if it suits your needs.05:11
DocScrutinizeryou don't have a choice - please(!) read the article05:11
GeneralAntilles9th inning05:11
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DocScrutinizerwith aegis they can kick off any alternative mediaplayer and so force you to use whatever they want, update apps whenever they want, even delete data from your device whenever they want. It's all in there and armed and loaded, just needs somebody to pull the trigger05:13
cehtehimo non-free devices dont deserve support from a free community05:14
cehtehif they want to launch it with commercial software vendors .. fine, ok for me, no buy05:14
DocScrutinizerexactly my point, and that's why I won't touch M605:14
cehtehi think everyone has to decide that by himself05:16
DocScrutinizerthey *can* axe aegis now, and then I will contribute. Otherwise not. And it'S unlikely they bin aegis as "Nokia needs aegis to make Joku and Skype happy"05:16
cehtehbut hey .. why playing with the clone, let it be harmattan or wp7 .. if i am used to such crap i would buy the original from apple05:16
cehtehwell opening aegis to the users .. make them generate and maintain their own keys05:17
cehtehits not a bad thing per se .. but its bad to lock the owner out05:17
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DocScrutinizercehteh: TC *is* a bad thing, as the lockout of user is the root design axiom05:18
cehtehif its really a serious and well implemented security frameworks it should withstand such opening05:18
DocScrutinizerTC can't work at all if you allow user to have full control05:18
cehtehyes that was always may point too .. but thats not technically justified05:19
DocScrutinizeras user == malware05:19
DocScrutinizerit is05:19
EvanescenceDoes anyone used SMSCON ? I find that there is a password for SMSCON EDITOR . what is that ?05:19
cehtehone could use crypto hardware to make devices more private for the legitimate users05:19
DocScrutinizerTC "good things" arise from user not being allowed to do certain things05:19
cehtehbut as soon they start thinking it as DRM crap and fear their customers then its spoiled05:20
cehtehyes thats the marketing thinking ..05:20
cehtehso no go. period05:20
DocScrutinizerno, that's the security concept on a technical level05:20
cehtehcant the user prime the TPM and generate his own keys there technically?05:21
cehtehfor me that would be a requirement .. well thats also the reason why i dont use/activate the tpm on my laptop and why i wont buy a disk drive with hardware encryption, i trust linux software encryption more05:22
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EvanescenceDoes anyone used SMSCON ? I find that there is a password for SMSCON EDITOR . what is that ?05:28
DocScrutinizerhah, 0.5s blackout. A really rare event here05:29
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cehteh0.5sec .. the computers here usually survive that when idle ..05:33
cehtehlow power cpus and cursing becasue nowadays one dont get small enough power supplies :P05:33
cehtehwell recently they starting to produce 250, 300W types again05:33
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cehtehwhen 450W is the smallest power supply one can get then there is something wrong :/05:34
DocScrutinizermy laptop had no problems ;-D but of course DSLmodem, router, whatnot else, all reset05:36
cehtehah yes05:36
cehtehbut really a UPS makes no sense here .. i heared more often from friends about failed UPS than i have a power outage :P05:37
DocScrutinizerstill no UPS yet :-/05:38
cehtehsometimes a reboot is a good think05:38
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cehtehUPS cost .. maintenance, power ...05:38
cehtehloosing the last 5 seconds of work on a desktop hardly matters05:39
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DocScrutinizeranyway I wonder what may cause a 0.5 complete blackout05:41
SpeedEvilshort -> breaker05:42
DocScrutinizerwhen a lightning hits a high voltage power grid line, you see 0.2s mild brownouts, but I nevr seen a complete blackout05:43
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SpeedEvilOr short -> upstream breaker goes along with load breaker, upstream breaker recycles05:43
DocScrutinizerthat might actually be the case as it had heavy rain here in the whole region05:44
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cehtehsoftware glitch switching power lines ...05:45
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cehtehor maybe some nuke plant gone BOOOM ...05:45
cehteh(or a wind turbine tripped over again)05:46
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, you gonna forward on your loan to another dev, then? :P05:46
DocScrutinizerif it turns out there's no hope for FOSS development then yes, sure05:47
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DocScrutinizerfor now I hope for meegoCE and moslo, and I still wait to see moslo actually coming. Probably another thing that gets decided by elop finally05:48
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cehtehwhats moslo?05:50
cehtehMo'Slo Computer Slowdown Software05:50
DocScrutinizeran alternative or addon to NOLO, to load unsigned kernels05:50
cehtehSlows running of DOS and Windows programs that are too fast on Intel-compatible CPUs and DOS emulators.05:50
cehtehwp7 :P05:51
cehtehbtw is gta04 doa too? i dont follow it much but it seems it got quite silent05:51
DocScrutinizerI don't think it will become a great success story anyway, no matter what05:52
cehteh16 Jun 201105:52
cehteh    * first two GTA04A3 board received from production (complete except UMTS module)05:52
cehteh    * now fixing initialization software and testing everything05:52
cehteh    * first result: 1 board boots; 1 does not05:52
cehtehwell no, but its a landmark when openmoko and its initial hardware wont die05:53
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cehtehhey and thats the first phone platform with a hardware upgrade path05:53
DocScrutinizernote this is *completely* unrelated to Openmoko05:53
cehtehif i had seen that coming i wouldnt have buyed a n90005:53
cehtehwell as unrelated as some people and spirits ended there (ok others moved along)05:54
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cehtehin any case its a good thing when they make progress05:54
cehtehmaybe some of our chinese friends could build a new batch of cases :P05:55
DocScrutinizerbut the number of devies out in the wild will never reach any significant 3 digits number05:55
cehtehwell it need some .. display, touchscreen and other hardware parts05:55
DocScrutinizerso even sw devels might ignore the whole platform05:55
cehtehyeah it was nice when announced but meanwhile its underspeced too05:56
cehtehthings are just so slow .. and prolly it will be way to expensive05:56
DocScrutinizeryou bet it will, for case and display alone yu shell out >200€ for a new GTA0205:57
DocScrutinizerthe concept is doomed to fail05:57
hiemanshutrumee: nope, no dealing with customs, DHL does it for you, but yeah, that adds an extra day to your shipping time :P05:58
DocScrutinizerat least for any MP05:58
hiemanshuhey DocScrutinizer05:58
cehtehwhat do you expect the gta04 motherboard to cost? 250€?05:58
DocScrutinizersounds reasonable05:58
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cehtehso for someone who has a device and wants a upgrade its reasonable05:59
cehtehnot cheap but cheaper than a n9 ..and definately more fun05:59
DocScrutinizernot really - at least if you hate the poor quality of the touchpanel as much as I do05:59
cehtehif you have to buy a new case .. maybe even used then this looks worse of course06:00
DocScrutinizeryeah, probably more fun than N9 anyway06:00
cehtehi never had one :P06:00
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cehtehwell .. i think time will come and some other vendor will try a open concept06:01
cehtehthe n900 wasnt really a fail economucally for nokia, everyone told me they sold more than they expected06:02
cehtehthe fail was only their lack of support and direction06:02
DocScrutinizerand RMA ;-)06:02
cehtehby trying the same as apple does they will only be second or less after apple06:03
lofty306and that damned usb port06:03
cehtehare there really numbers about the usb port? how much devices failed?06:03
cehteh0.01% ? 1%? ...06:03
cehtehi mean people who experience that are louder than satisfied people where it doesnt fail06:04
DocScrutinizerI'd guess 10 rather than 106:04
DocScrutinizermaybe more06:04
cehtehanyways that shouldnt happen06:04
cehtehand well its kindof open secret that the n900 was a mere prototype/engineering sample which got marketized06:05
cehtehstill not bad i like it06:05
DocScrutinizerthat number about 10% fail rate counts in the dead modems etc though06:05
cehtehi didnt expect such a high number06:06
cehtehprolly i should care more for mine :P06:07
cehtehfix usb port before it breaks ...06:07
DocScrutinizerand it's mere handwaving and straight from my a...06:07
cehtehwell i really think its too biased towards the loud complaining users06:08
cehtehsee here in the channel where about 400 ppl some time ago06:08
lofty306i saw some eppoxied it to the board but havent heard if it helped it from snapping off06:08
DocScrutinizerI think a 2..5% are _normal_ for any such device06:08
cehtehand we had maybe a handful people who told about the broken usb06:08
DocScrutinizerlofty306: don't do that06:08
cehtehepoxy alone will not help06:08
DocScrutinizerit doesn06:09
DocScrutinizert help at all06:09
lofty306im not gonna06:09
lofty306i figged it would maybe etch the traces or something06:09
cehtehnot really .. epoxy neither glues to to the metal of the socket nor to the solder-stop-paint of the PCB06:10
cehtehit only soaks into the socket, clogging it06:10
lofty306what is the repair? refloat the board? use actual solder instead of surface mount paste?06:11
cehtehi am trained plastics worker, i know how i could fix it with epoxy .. but there is a easier way to enforce the soldering06:11
cehtehno need to refloat06:11
lofty306that scares me everytime  i have done it to something06:12
cehtehthere are ground planes beneath the socket .. deisolate them and solder the socket there06:12
cehtehthere are pictures on tmo06:12
cehteh(looks a bit ugly soldered :P)06:13
lofty306no uglier than structural welding06:14
* cehteh also learned brazing :) ... 06:15
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lofty306thnx for the link06:16
* cehteh should take a nap...06:17
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iluminator101where in folder camera in n900 when i plug it to my pc06:20
Evanescenceiluminator101: maybe .camera06:20
iluminator101thank cehteh06:21
iluminator101thanks cehteh06:21
cehtehfor extra fun you can    sshfs DCIM    :)06:22
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lofty306cya cehteh06:36
fusisigh @ ppl failing to hack into my server06:53
fusishould really turn off these emails from my ids, its getting rater annoying..06:54
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derfYou can tell it doesn't infringe patents, because apparently it can't switch between landscape and protrait mode!08:16
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Termanagood morning08:36
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JaffaMorning, all11:28
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cityLightshi all12:05
cityLightssince starting this new work, I had no time to continue developping12:06
cityLightsI still change my phone to gsm at work, then to dual at home12:06
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cityLightswish the phone would do it , by itself12:06
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass13:02
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lardmanSpeedEvil: lol13:06
lardmanthanks for that link :)13:06
infobotHoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?13:09
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chem|stHAppy Birthday14:04
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ruskiehmm anyone have anything nice to say about the WeTab ?14:19
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chem|struskie: depends on your measure of "nice"14:20
ruskiewell for me the top nice thing would be an always innovating touchbook v214:20
ruskiebeing able to hack it as much as I'd like14:21
ruskiehaving a ridiculous amount of autonomy14:21
ruskieand such like14:21
chem|stwell then I guess wetab is closest I know yet14:21
ruskiewell wetab2 claims 6 hours autonomy14:21
ruskieand it's an atom system :(14:22
chem|stthere are laptops with more...14:22
chem|statom is fine with me14:22
ruskieI'd prefer to go away from the broken x86 arch14:22
chem|sthave a atom netbook and with custom kernel build got it down to 10W14:22
chem|stthat is something many people would love to but still its the market14:23
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ruskiesomething like asus eeepad transformer would be nice14:24
chem|stsomething like n950 in a bit larger scale (few cm more) and with a proper touchscreen14:25
ruskieI'm looking more for 10"14:26
ruskiedon't plan on running around with it really14:26
chem|stmake it even 10"14:26
ruskiejust something to have at home really14:26
chem|stI am waiting for samsun TX10014:26
ruskieand I want it hackable...14:26
ruskiethis is why the touchbook looks nice to me14:27
ruskieusb ports to extend it, crapton of battery, 4 oses with live switching between them14:27
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ruskiehmm asus has something in the pipline as well... asus eeepad slider14:27
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ruskiehmm how about the viewpad?14:32
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ruskiea friend suggested acer a500 iconia tab14:34
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ruskiekerio, don't want a gaming device14:50
kerioit's not a gaming device!14:51
ruskieand it is rather tiny?14:51
keriosize doesn't matter14:51
ruskieit does when you already have f... up eyes14:52
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kerionone of the devices you mentioned are proper nerd toys14:53
ruskietouchbook v214:54
kerioanything with android is not a proper nerd toy14:55
ruskiehave you looked at it?14:56
robbiethe1stNokia N90014:57
robbiethe1stOh wait...14:57
robbiethe1stOn this channel, you guys know all about that <_<14:57
ruskieit has: own os, 'droid, chromeos, meego, ubuntu14:57
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kamado you know where i can find "pnatd" sources?15:47
SpeedEvilI'm 92.6% sure it's not open15:47
kamathank you15:49
kamaand thank you nokia15:49
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thomickama: it's like osso-backup15:50
thomiconly good when it's crappy closed -.-15:50
scoobertronI am working on a script for my n900 and I need to choose a random file from a directory.  Usually I would use 'shuf' for this, but it doesn't seem to be available.  Can anyone think of an alternative15:58
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jonwilCould always port shuf to the n900 :P16:01
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: zenity16:05
ccookescoobertron: is your script shell?16:06
DocScrutinizeror, if you want to go for shell only, maybe you could exploit mc with tweaked config files / user menues16:06
DocScrutinizernever heard of shuf though16:07
ccookeIf you just need to pick a random file from a directory, in shell, there are builtins that do the job perfectly well16:07
ccookeDocScrutinizer: think "shuffle"16:07
scoobertronIts ok, I have found a way using sed.  It is a random wallpaper changing script to be run by alarmed.16:07
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DocScrutinizerhaha, nice "app"16:08
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ccookescoobertron: if none of the files will have spaces in, you can do it with: 'files=( $(ls) ); echo "${files[$(( $RANDOM % ${#files[@]} ))]}"'16:09
DocScrutinizerif you'd use a *proper* shell (like bash ;-D) you could use select16:10
ccookeit likely doesn't matter if it's just a wallpaper selector, but the builtin method will be much faster :-)16:10
ccookeDocScrutinizer: select wouldn't do the right thing :-)16:10
DocScrutinizerooh, why not?16:10
ccookeDocScrutinizer: because they asked for a random thing from a list of things, not a user-selected thing from a list of things :-)16:11
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DocScrutinizersorry, you lost me16:11
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ccookeDocScrutinizer: select will print a set of items for the user to choose16:12
ccookeDocScrutinizer: the question as posed was to randomly choose one item from a set of items16:12
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e-bobanyone found out how to gain space on the rootfs ?16:18
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e-bobbecause its getting full easily :s then you are stuck with update and app dl16:19
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jonwiloh well, looks like my plan to figure out the encryption used for password protected osso-backup backups is a bust :P16:22
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SpeedEvile-bob: / is on a 256M device16:26
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SpeedEvile-bob: you can't expand this device simply16:26
SpeedEvilBut usually if you're asking that question, you're doing it wrong.16:27
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: numitems=$(ls -l *.txt|wc -l); ls -l *.txt | head -n $((RANDOM % numitems + 1)) | tail -n 116:27
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DocScrutinizerscoobertron: adapt the ls -l part to your liking16:29
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DocScrutinizerscoobertron: maybe you want to use *.wallpaper rather than *.txt ;-)16:30
DocScrutinizer~tell e-bob about optification16:30
SpeedEvilecho |awk 'BEGIN{srand(systime());print ARGV[int(rand()*ARGC)];exit}'16:30
SpeedEvilerr - without the echo16:31
e-bobSpeedEvil: ubi0:rootfs 100% uses /16:31
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DocScrutinizere-bob: note that you're not only "stuck" but frequently in for a nice bootloop when rootfs really fills up to 100% and nothing gets freed for deleted files by garbage collection on next boot16:33
scoobertroncool, thanks.  I have it working now.  Annoyingly though, I am using the portrait desktop thing, and if it is in portrait mode, the wallpaper gets cut off.  If anyone knows a way to tell the script if the phone is in portrait mode that would be handy.16:33
DocScrutinizersetting a wallpaper shouldn't depend on orientation, no?16:34
scoobertronit seems to be an issue with the portrait desktop support.  The wallpaper is set in landscape mode, but the phone is in portrait, meaning the bottom is cut off. (if that makes sense)16:35
ccookeDocScrutinizer: it does. The wallpaper is drawn from (IIRC) the top left corner, and extends along the orientation-dependant "horizontal" axis16:35
scoobertronI wonder if it works if the wallpaper is 800x80016:35
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scoobertron(it is a solid colour so it doesn't matter if it doesn't join up properly)16:36
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# awk 'BEGIN{srand(systime());print ARGV[int(rand()*ARGC)];exit}' A B C16:36
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: I bet that's some bug with wallpapers16:40
scoobertron....answering my own question.  No, it makes no difference.16:41
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: does it "fix itself" when you rotate to landscape and back?16:41
scoobertronDocScrutinizer: I believe a fix is in the pipeline.  Nope, it stays broken when you rotate it back.16:41
DocScrutinizerthen the set_wallpaper() function - whatever it is - is buggy16:42
DocScrutinizeryou'll have to force display to landscape before calling set_wallpaper(), then go back to previous aroentation after setting new wallpaper16:43
scoobertronah, that would work.  how would I do that?16:43
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: you'll have to force display to landscape before calling set_wallpaper(), then go back to previous orientation after setting new wallpaper16:43
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DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG about orientation lock and how to "remote-control" it16:44
rm_worki'd like to ask about how to control orientation lock AT ALL.16:45
rm_workthe line i tried in my QML didn't work :(16:45
scoobertronah right, sorry.  the script runs in the background, I don't call it.16:46
DocScrutinizerrm_work: you're aware there's not really OOTB portrait support in m5?16:46
fralsrm_work: Page { orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockPortrait }16:46
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fralsat least for qtcomponents... ;o16:46
rm_workoh, maemo 516:47
rm_worksorry i'm referring to harmattan :P (dropped in right at the end of your convo)16:47
DocScrutinizerand the portrait support in CSSU afaik is x11 based16:48
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rm_workfrals: hrm mine was like portraitLock: true16:48
rm_worki think... it was a checkbox on the window in the designer16:48
rm_worki don't have the code in front of me currently16:48
DocScrutinizerrm_work: mhm, how would we do that on fremantle/m5?16:48
rm_workno idea16:49
rm_workit doesn't even work in m616:49
DocScrutinizerso why do you ask about it here then?16:49
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rm_workbecause this is the maemo channel, and harmattan is still maemo?16:49
rm_worklike i said, i dropped in at the very end of your convo so i had to infer16:49
DocScrutinizerafaik it's meego-harmattan16:49
rm_workis there even QML for m5?16:50
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DocScrutinizernow that's a better question for here :-D16:50
rm_workyou're really dead-set on banning harmattan talk here and moving it to #harmattan aren't you16:51
rm_workAIUI harmattan is still maemo, so saying just "Maemo" refers to both ;)16:51
DocScrutinizerit gets friggin confusing when users drp by here asking harmattan questions without considering completely different context16:51
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DocScrutinizerhere are at very least 126 users that can't answer your questions or even make sense of them16:53
DocScrutinizerprobably way more16:53
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rm_workwell, for about the third time, i only got the very end of that convo16:54
rm_workjust made a comment i thought was semi-related16:54
DocScrutinizernp :-D16:54
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DocScrutinizerjust trying to explain why I'm "dead-set" :-)16:55
scoobertronAnswering my own question, in case anyone cares - you can request the phone orientation with dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: not really16:55
DocScrutinizerthat's physical orientation, not user-screen-orientation, afaik16:56
DocScrutinizerunless this call always returns "landscape" for stock fremantle, modulo dialer is in portrait mode and on top16:57
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scoobertronThat is true.  So it stops the script running if I am holding the phone in portrait, but it fails if it is sat on a table portrait mode.16:59
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DocScrutinizeraiui, you need a app screen to get X11 orientation, then check for dimensions.x > dimensions.y16:59
DocScrutinizermaybe there are better ways to get X11 notion of screen dimensions, without opening an app screen17:01
DocScrutinizerno idea about that, not my domain17:01
scoobertronxrandr would be nice, but doesn't seem to be in the repos17:01
DocScrutinizer:sigh: yes, indeed17:01
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scoobertronwmctrl is in the repos, and wmctrl -d gives the dimensions of the desktop.17:20
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nicofsdoes anyone round here know how i can create my own easydeb image?17:22
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vi__where are the positions of the homescreeen widgets kept?17:43
vi__i.e. if I had an identical set of weidgets oin one screen that I wanted to duplicate on another, what file/s would I copy/edit?17:44
mgedminI don't really remember17:44
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mgedminyou can have at most one copy of a widget on the home screens17:44
mgedmine.g. you can't have the same widget repeated on 1st and 2nd screens17:45
vi__except in the case of widgets with multi instatntiation properties17:45
mgedminalthough some applets allow that, yes17:45
vi__queen beecon widget for example17:45
vi__(however you could argue it is still the 'same widget')17:45
vi__anyway I am not here to argue17:45
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MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> and the portrait support in CSSU afaik is x11 based18:01
MohammadAGxrandr? no18:01
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cehtehit wont be nokia if they used standard available features for that :P18:02
cehtehbesides xrander wouldnt allow this flipping transition but the screen would flicker18:03
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valdynbeside that xrandr support like that would defenitely be alot harder to implement18:07
valdynMohammadAG: does that proprietary gfx driver support xrandr?18:09
valdynneat, so it might be..18:10
MohammadAG<cehteh> besides xrander wouldnt allow this flipping transition but the screen would flicker <-- indeed18:11
valdynits a composited desktop18:11
valdyndoesnt need to flicker18:11
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scoobertronOut of interest, will my phone notify me when cssu updates, or should I hang out here more regularly?18:28
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Jaffascoobertron: It will notify you18:31
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DocScrutinizernow finally -> mtd_debug --help; for e.g. backup-menu19:02
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DocScrutinizeralso for backup of CAL etc19:02
DocScrutinizerseems like the appropriate tol for that19:03
scoobertronI recently installed the enhanced lockscreen package.  I saw online that it was supposed to be customizable.  does anyone know how?19:03
JaffaGAN900: Done the first stage of mid-week issue creation19:04
Jaffascoobertron: Code?19:04
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin19:08
DocScrutinizerCopied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin19:08
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DocScrutinizerdarn, I should create an app out of this ;-P19:10
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roundyzI have a problem with my n900. how do I move 15GB worth of files from /usr/home to my PC?20:04
SpeedEvilcat syncphotos20:06
SpeedEvilrsync phone://home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/* .20:06
roundyzI cant get onto the device through networking, sshd is screwed.20:06
SpeedEvilUninstall sshd, reinstall20:06
roundyztinysmb is broken too.20:06
roundyzI think the networking stack or an important lib is screwed.20:06
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roundyzI do apt-get upgrade openssh, it complains about libcelt0-0, libgsm1 and libjack0.20:08
roundyzjack is sound.20:08
SpeedEvilI'd remove openssh and then install20:08
SpeedEvilI diddn't think the n900 had jack20:09
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roundyzgsm1 is speech compressor20:09
DocScrutinizerroundyz: sounds all very odd. Try using USB mass storage mode20:12
DocScrutinizerooops ~user20:12
DocScrutinizerhonestly? I'd reflash COMBINED I guess20:12
DocScrutinizernow finally -> mtd_debug --help; for e.g. backup-menu20:13
roundyzI can't use mass storage, as MyDocs is only 2 gig the rest is /home/user20:13
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin20:13
DocScrutinizerCopied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin20:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: see what I did? :-D20:14
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MohammadAGyeah, new flasher does that, or something like that :P20:20
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DocScrutinizerno, mtd_debug does this20:21
roundyzI fixed the problem with apt now...reinstalled openssh server20:23
DocScrutinizerso I write back a backup of my CAL partition any time with mtd_debug write 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin20:23
roundyzis kernel-power good/bad?20:23
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mgedminroundyz, /home is 2 GB, so you can't possibly have 15 GB of data in there!20:41
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mgedmin/home/user/MyDocs is the 28 GB VFAT partition that you can access over USB mass storage20:42
roundyzmgedmin: Not true, My MyDocs is 2GB and my home is 28GB20:42
roundyzI swapped them over.20:42
mgedminoh, you hacker you :)20:42
mgedminto what extent is networking screwed?20:43
mgedmincan you reach websites via microb, e.g.?20:43
roundyzwell, I can use microb...just not ssh, smb...20:44
mgedmincan you  ping anything from your device?20:44
mgedminssh -- is it sshd, or also ssh client that's screwed?20:44
roundyzyerh I can ping...20:44
roundyzdefaul gw seems fine too20:45
roundyz/etc/resolv only has in there though..20:46
roundyzand I can't ping my laptop my ip.20:46
ruskiesounds like you don't have working network then20:47
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roundyzI can connect to my server using it's external IP , but not the internal one...20:48
ruskiethen you aren't on your local wifi20:48
roundyzbut I am20:48
ruskiethen your local wifi is broken20:49
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ruskieor restricted to only redirect out20:50
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roundyztrying in tablet mode npow20:50
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ruskiein what mode were you?20:51
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DocScrutinizerroundyz /etc/resolv always has
ruskieow yeah20:51
ruskieforgot it's using that stupid dnsmasq thing20:52
DocScrutinizerif you can ping your PC IP, you also can ssh to it, so you also can scp to it20:52
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DocScrutinizerooh you can't20:53
DocScrutinizermight be a AP / router issue20:53
scoobertronout of interest, does anyone know if it is possible to remove the statusbar altogether from the homescreen?20:53
DocScrutinizeror dhcp failed to hand a lease to N90020:54
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: wouldn't that quite semi-brick your system?20:54
roundyzbrb going ot have to try to reboot router20:55
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mgedminI've had weeeird wifi-related problems20:55
mgedminlaptop can't ping my n900 when both are on the same wifi network20:55
mgedminI can ssh into my router and ping n900 there20:55
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DocScrutinizersome routers forbid local-loopback20:56
mgedminrouter is running openwrt, maybe something bad happened to hostapd?  I'm not clueful enough20:56
mgedminrouter at work -- same hardware, slightly older openwrt version -- everything works fine20:56
mgedmina month ago everything worked fine at home too20:56
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mgedmintime to reboot router maybe?20:56
DocScrutinizerwell, that's just for reaching router's own public IP20:56
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scoobertronDocScrutinizer: maybe.  I can access the menu and the task switcher with the hardware buttons, and info about signal etc can be got through widgets.  I am doing a bit of a homescreen overhaul, and I resent giving up a slot of screen space just for a tiny bar that contains one button and my battery icon.20:57
scoobertronand cell signal20:57
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roundyzOK rebooted router20:58
roundyzrebooting phone too20:58
DocScrutinizerscoobertron: I see your rationale but widgets aren't guaranteed to be there20:58
scoobertronah, so if something went wrong I could be in trouble...20:59
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DocScrutinizerand I don't see how you reach sysmenu via kbd shortcut :-D20:59
scoobertronI meant the application menu - I admit that the sysmenu would be a challenge21:00
roundyzThank the lord!!!! Its back!!!21:00
roundyzPerhaps I cursed myself with that daring wallpaper of Bree Olson....21:00
mgedmin<it_crowd>Have you tried turning it off and on again?</it_crowd>21:00
roundyzmgedmin: ;)21:00
roundyztime to move over the files now I think..21:01
mgedminincidentally, usb networking might be faster21:01
roundyzgood point...21:02
mgedminif you select 'PC Suite' mode after plugging a cable, your laptop should find a USB Ethernet device21:02
roundyzpcsuite mode for that then..21:02
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kerioroundyz: reflash21:07
Sicelothat command looks neat DocScrutinizer. what is CAL?21:07
Sicelothanks. i have been googling, but didn't find that21:08
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DocScrutinizerfunny as the thread is called "What is CAL"21:10
DocScrutinizerSicelo: I guess you also could save and restore kernels this way21:11
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DocScrutinizeradmittedly I haven't tried it yet21:12
DocScrutinizerbut hey, what a debug tool was that if it didn't know to correctly do the "write" command?21:12
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Siceloi see my problem was adding"n900" as a keyword too21:13
Sicelos/g"/g "/21:13
infobotSicelo meant: i see my problem was adding "n900" as a keyword too21:13
DocScrutinizernote though that messing with kernel almost certainly will cause a bootloop if you don't exactly know your way around modules as well21:14
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DocScrutinizerwhile killing CAL can actually finally brick your device - maybe21:16
roundyzmgedmin: Do I just configure using ifconfig with static ips?21:17
mgedminyes, you can do that21:17
roundyzI have just had to rebuild my kernel modules, I never compiled it when I created the kernel some time ago..21:17
mgedminI once wrote a shell script to launch a second copy of dnsmasq acting like a DHCP server, so that my laptop would autoconfigure on connection21:17
mgedminbecause I'd rather not type complicated ifconfig lines more than once21:18
roundyzgood idea.21:18
DocScrutinizerhah, I got a shellscript on laptop to do the ifconfig, route, ssh magic21:18
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DocScrutinizerjust forgot what's the default IP of N900 in pc-suite mode21:19
mgedminoh, there's a default IP?21:19
roundyznormally we now have usb0 on laptop21:19
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DocScrutinizerroundyz: yes, but that's your *local* NIC21:20
Sicelo192.168.2.14 for pc side21:20
roundyzI have it on n900 too.21:20
* Sicelo lives on it ;)21:20
roundyzI'm in!21:23
DocScrutinizerroundyz: \o/21:23
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DocScrutinizerroundyz:  you may want to adapt for USB0 instead of eth4, and also fix the IP addresses21:25
roundyzDocScrutinizer: I might seem naive but is that ( \o/ ) an applause?21:26
roundyzfuthermore, was there sarcasm?21:26
DocScrutinizerjoy, cheers, applause21:26
DocScrutinizernot at all21:26
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roundyzIDK either, I just set it to
roundyzsorry was scrolled up.21:28
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roundyzplease ignore21:28
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roundyzdo I need rync on both machines for it to work? I was thinking of just using scp..21:31
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DocScrutinizerafaik N900 auto-assigns the to usb as soon as you start pc-suite mode21:31
DocScrutinizerwell, scp or sftp is just fine for initial copy21:32
mgedminroundyz, scp will likely be faster than rsync21:32
DocScrutinizerno benefit from rsync21:32
mgedminif you're copying large numbers of files once21:32
roundyzok then lads, off I go.21:32
DocScrutinizerroundyz: you even can use browser21:32
DocScrutinizerdamn, you know what I mean21:33
roundyzIt's working now.21:33
DocScrutinizerI got bookmarks for all my devices, in konqueror21:33
roundyzDocScrutinizer: You have a user called rot?21:34
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DocScrutinizernah, but I'm considering to usradd one21:34
Creteil~seen thopiekar21:34
infobotthopiekar <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 14m 7s ago, saying: 'after removing some apps in facebook.. at least the "Nokia N900" app and ZapLoc now chat is working again!'.21:34
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DocScrutinizernot for long obviously ;-P21:35
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mgedminimap clients reset the "you have unread email in this folder" bit on my server21:47
mgedminwhich has dovecot backed by mailbox files, so the "unread email" bit is atime != mtime21:48
mgedminshould I perhaps switch to maildirs, I wonder?21:48
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NeccNecc-N900:~# mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /media/home/23:17
Neccmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /media/home/ failed: Invalid argument23:17
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Necci ran out of ideas... why a damn simple mount command doesn't works?23:20
hiemanshuNecc: it needs -t IIRC23:21
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Neccdoesn't helps anything23:26
Necci can not mount that stupid idiot ext3 partition23:26
Neccwhat i did over a half billion times in the past now simply doesn'23:26
Neccdoesn't works23:26
zapmonorail removes maepad, and maepad removes monorail23:26
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zapis this a developer war?23:27
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RST38hafaik monorail is a problem23:28
RST38hremember installing it and getting into trouble, no maepad in sight23:28
zapyep, same here :)23:29
mgedminNecc, grep ext3 /proc/filesystems?23:32
Neccsec, atm repartitioning the entire card...23:32
Neccit returns "ext3"23:34
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Neccit doesn't mounts it because it is an ext3 partition -.-23:36
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Shapeshifter<3 command line sharing plugin23:41
Shapeshifterwooo someone packaged imagemagick23:43
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ruskieShapeshifter, would be nice if one could setup multiple accounts with it23:47
ruskiefrom my experimenting I could always just have a single instance23:47
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Shapeshifterruskie: mh possible23:49
Shapeshifterwell too bad the n900 is so weak. converting images on it is somewhat of a silly undertaking...23:50
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wamShapeshifter: the networking is fast ;)23:50
Shapeshifterwam: well I wrote a script that makes a thumbnail of an image passed by the cli sharing plugin and then uploads the thumb and the original but I guess I *should* be offloading the resizing task to the server...23:51
Shapeshifterbut I'm too lazy to write a script that detects new files etc. and I don't know how to use gamin for this23:51
Shapeshifterwell I could just run the script using ssh with the new file as target23:52
Shapeshifterthat's easy.23:52
ruskieShapeshifter, or you know you could just: ssh run commandaftertransfer23:52
wamShapeshifter: if it has to be that easy: cronjob + shellscript + find + convert23:52
ruskieShapeshifter, or incron23:52
ruskieinstead of gamin23:52
wamor a 10-liner python script that accepts a image data stream via POST23:53
Shapeshifterwam: :<23:53
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ruskieshell script can work as well just fine ;)23:54
* ruskie does bash cgi stuff every so often23:55
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