IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-07-19

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trumeeNoticed weirdness in editing Notes in Contacts.00:03
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trumeeI have pretty long Notes in Contacts. When i press Enter in Notes, the screen isnt updated rightaway. Noticed it in CSSU only00:04
trumeeis that issue known? and assuming contacts is closed source, so cant be fixed00:05
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Atariihey all00:12
Atariianyone got an ubertooth one?00:13
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javispedroaaaaaaaaaaargh00:14
javispedrolennart seemingly has taken upon thyself to standardize Linux00:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-new-configuration-files.html00:14
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joppuVenemo: http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/memgametrans.png / http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/memgametrans_64.png00:15
Venemojoppu, I will be forever thankful for this :)00:16
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joppuhaha, it only took about 15 minutes to get done, not a big deal :)00:17
Venemojoppu, maybe, but I wouldn't have been able to do it at all00:17
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Venemojoppu, do you mind if I put your name into the About dialog of the app?00:19
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joppuheh, sure thing00:20
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Venemook, thanks00:21
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks, but no thanks. I only once a months check where the enemy is right ATM. And this day already passed for July00:22
DocScrutinizer;-D00:22
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DocScrutinizertoo much poettering may be dangerous to your health, you know00:22
vi__MohammadAG: do you still maintain phone-control?00:23
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DocScrutinizer51well, if everyting else fails, then just let's lennart and introduce the orientation daemon. API is dbus, apps will ask about orientation there and everything else the app devels don't need to care about01:16
DocScrutinizer51pusblish this NOW, and hype it on the fora and ML, and in wiki01:17
DocScrutinizer51ship an example app using it01:17
DocScrutinizer51done01:17
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DocScrutinizer51dirty nasty ugly way to deal with things, but....01:18
DocScrutinizer51ooops ECHAN01:18
DocScrutinizer51damn01:18
Sicelo_um, trying to use wiki.maemo.org/User:)oerg_rw/tools to enforce password for (sudo gain)root. i'm getting stuck at the first line (sed). i think it's to do with spacing or escaping. please help01:19
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Sicelo_~questions01:26
infobotremember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>01:26
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GunArmdoes fmms allow you to recieve mms?  it seems like it only sends them01:29
Sicelo_iirc it allows u to receive as well01:30
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GunArmtheres no send and recieve, shoudl they just pop up in the same list as the sent ones?01:31
Sicelos/:)/:J/01:32
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DocScrutinizer51Sicelo: wait a minute (or 2) I'm soon back home01:38
Sicelo_:) will do so. u & i share same timezone afaik, so i always wonder how u managed to be active here at all times :P01:40
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DocScrutinizerok, here I am01:48
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: lemme see what nonsense I spreaded there ;-)01:49
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SiceloGunArm: u checked out MMS page on wiki?01:49
Sicelou will be to blame for bricking my device doc. :P01:51
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: c&p those 4 lines (they are actually one line with continuation\ marks) to a xterm or ssh where you got root01:51
DocScrutinizersed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\01:51
DocScrutinizer s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\01:51
DocScrutinizer PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \01:51
DocScrutinizer -i  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo01:51
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: make SURE you know your root password prior to that01:52
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: you as well can open the file  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo in your fav editor, and change the line01:53
DocScrutinizeruser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot01:54
DocScrutinizerto01:54
DocScrutinizeruser ALL =PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot01:54
DocScrutinizerand insert01:55
DocScrutinizerDefaults targetpw01:55
DocScrutinizerafter01:55
DocScrutinizerDefaults env_reset01:55
DocScrutinizerthen save the file01:55
DocScrutinizerand run update-sudoers01:55
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Sicelobricked!01:57
DocScrutinizerSicelo: though this isn't really trivial, it shouldn't usually result in a non-recoverable problem, even when you do something wrong01:57
Sicelooh, i mean, done01:57
DocScrutinizerSicelo: HAHA01:57
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Sicelothanks DocScrutinizer01:57
DocScrutinizeryw01:57
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DocScrutinizerappreciate sb thinking same way about gainroot as I do01:58
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: where form was your problem? did you miss my recent edit?01:59
DocScrutinizer>>You should highlight a whole white box or at least a whole § beginning with ####line and insert the whole text as one chunk to your N900 or ssh remote terminal. I took care about long lines by continuation\ marks\ so don't break up a block that consists of lines ending with \<<01:59
Siceloi'm actually trying to see where i went wrong too01:59
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Siceloonce i got unknown command e, other time unsupported command A02:01
DocScrutinizerwell...02:01
DocScrutinizerno clue :-D02:01
nox-http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/18/cern_cosmic_ray_gag/ (ot)02:02
Siceloseems like i was putting in an extra return after each line02:02
DocScrutinizerI probably should bang the thing to become a real shellscript, and put it there for download02:02
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Siceloyeah, would make it easy for us noobs02:03
DocScrutinizerthanks for the feedback02:04
DocScrutinizerI'll ponder it02:04
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Siceloprolly the script could ask for the root password first, try to login by itself, the do the rest. /me wonders if that's actually possible on N90002:08
Sicelos/the/then/02:09
infobotSicelo meant: prolly then script could ask for the root password first, try to login by itself, the do the rest. /me wonders if that's actually possible on N90002:09
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Siceloyay..02:09
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yo.02:26
Sicelo_~doa02:27
infobotfrom memory, doa is dead on arrival02:27
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SpeedEvildiamond ohio02:56
SpeedEviloops02:56
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: DOA? hope you got no problems! Yes that's possible on N900, no problem at all, and actually I'd implement it exactly that way anyway, when I create a script for it (which I probably should, as CSSU isn't approaching any prime time ready state obviously)02:59
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.dealextreme.com/p/5600mah-emergency-power-rechargeable-battery-pack-w-led-flashlight-head-cell-phone-adapters-9141104:11
SpeedEvilneat04:12
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* ShadowJK sighs at t.m.o. normal theme not rendering properly in microb04:26
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ShadowJKand the mobile theme has broken "Quote and reply" for PMs04:26
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: for me the orange "normal" theme has invisible thanks and other buttons on KDE konqueror04:41
DocScrutinizerI stopped worrying since I changed to --classic light-- >1 year ago04:42
DocScrutinizeralas classic light theme seems to miss the message history for edited messages04:43
ShadowJKclassic light doesn't have quoting or preview in PM :/04:44
ShadowJKnormal would be usable if left and right columns were gone04:48
ShadowJKor if middle was allowed to reflow or scroll04:48
ShadowJKinstead of getting covered by right hand menu column04:48
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jonwilhmmm, this encryption used on the N900 password protected backups smacks a lot of "security by obscurity"06:16
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slonopotamusnice, bug 9902 is >1y old08:30
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel08:30
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casketizercan some pl help me09:14
casketizeri hosed my n90009:14
casketizeri installed backupmenu09:14
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casketizerbackupmenu works09:14
Termanagood morning09:14
casketizerbut if i try normal boot all i get is black screen with cock09:15
casketizerclock*09:15
casketizermornin Termana09:15
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casketizersomeone please help me09:16
* dm8tbr doesn't have the slightest idea what backupmenu is09:17
dm8tbrwhy don't you just reflash your device09:17
casketizeri hope to fix it09:18
casketizerits so much work09:18
casketizerto set up all new09:18
dm8tbrthen ask the people who made this 'backupmenu'...09:18
casketizermany ppl on tmo use it09:19
dm8tbrask on tmo?09:19
casketizerim tryin09:19
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casketizerrobbie09:31
casketizerure the man i need09:31
casketizeri installed backupmenu09:31
casketizerbackupmenu works09:31
casketizerbut if i try normal boot all i get is black screen with cock09:31
casketizeror sometimes a single widget09:32
Sicelocasketizer: i have BM, but haven't yet 'learnt its tricks'. Hang on, he's normally here e09:32
casketizerhe just joined09:32
Sicelolol, always forgetting *l*09:32
casketizerit seems hildon home or dsktop isnt loading09:33
casketizershit09:33
casketizerthis had to happen today09:33
robbiethe1st:P09:34
robbiethe1stUm09:34
robbiethe1stMake sure the optfs was restored/backed up same as the rootfs09:34
robbiethe1stYou need to do both at once, generally09:35
casketizeri didnt bakup a thing09:35
casketizeri just installed bm09:35
casketizerrebooted09:35
casketizerbm works09:35
robbiethe1stAnd didn't restore anything through my program? Then, um... it has nothing to do with it.09:35
casketizermaemo doesnt09:35
robbiethe1stI'd try going into BM and run fsck09:35
casketizerdid that09:36
robbiethe1stany errors?09:36
casketizerno09:36
robbiethe1stHm... Got a Linux PC?09:36
casketizerno09:36
robbiethe1stOh, ok09:36
robbiethe1sthm... I forget if I've got badblocks on there...09:36
robbiethe1stThat'd be where I'd check first09:36
robbiethe1sti.e. corruption on the disk09:37
casketizerit seems hildon-home isnt started09:37
casketizerit barfs after the nokia hands09:37
casketizerhmmm09:37
casketizernow its a rebootloop after nokia hands09:37
robbiethe1stAh, yea. Definite corruption09:38
casketizerit could be full footfs09:38
robbiethe1stThat happened to me a couple times. First boot(after a reboot having not rebooted in a while) would sort of work, second wouldn09:38
casketizeri had syslog on09:38
robbiethe1stMaby, but I'd suspect OptFS corruption more than anything09:39
casketizerbut yesterday was 32mb free09:39
robbiethe1stOh. Go into BM, hit terminal mode09:39
robbiethe1strun 'mountroot', cd /tmp/mnt/rootfs, read your log and see what the issue is09:39
casketizeri cant login09:39
robbiethe1stOh, didn't install ssh/set your password? Darn.09:39
robbiethe1stYou *can* do one thing though09:40
casketizerroot has ssh passwd09:40
robbiethe1stYes09:40
casketizerbut it always say wrong passwd09:40
robbiethe1stMake sure you're pressing the shift/alt+key simultaniously09:40
robbiethe1stcan't press alt, then key09:40
casketizerhuh?09:40
robbiethe1stUm...say you want "W". Instead of pressing "shift", releasing it, then pressing "w"(which works in maemo), you have to press both keys at the same time.09:41
casketizercheck pm pls09:42
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casketizeri always get interruped before i can complete the passwd09:43
casketizeri think thats the prob09:43
robbiethe1stHm... I dunno. In that case, go into backup mode, make a backup to SD or MyDocs.09:44
robbiethe1stbackup both09:44
robbiethe1stOnce it's done, you can connect the device over USB to your computer, hit "w" for usb mass storage mode, and copy your backup files over09:45
robbiethe1stThey're just tar files, so you can open it and extract whatever logs you want09:45
casketizerit says login incorrect09:46
casketizerim sure i got it right tho09:46
robbiethe1stIgnore it for now. 3 wrong logins and you'll be back to the main menu09:46
casketizeryea09:46
casketizerso what can i do?09:47
robbiethe1stOk09:47
robbiethe1stFirst, reboot09:47
robbiethe1stback into BM09:47
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robbiethe1stHold down the hold switch(side switch) for a second or press the reboot key09:48
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threshhi09:48
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threshseems like my n900 drains battery power like hell, ~20% per hour. anything to check?09:49
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threshpowertop says 540 wakeups per second :/09:49
robbiethe1stUh, open up htop09:50
threshXorg is the highest one (except htop of course)09:53
robbiethe1stwaitr09:53
robbiethe1stTap the 'time+' column09:54
robbiethe1stWhat's the top couple of items09:54
threshXorg, hildon-desktop, fmrdsnotify, hildon-status-menu, dbus-daemon, hildon-home09:54
threshI guess I will deinstall fmrdsnotify to test09:55
robbiethe1stHow much does hildon-desktop have?09:55
robbiethe1stand what's the uptime?09:55
threshuptime is 20 minutes, hildon-desktop has 0:30.1209:56
robbiethe1stOk, that's fine. Xorg?09:57
thresh0:43.8009:57
robbiethe1stStill fairly low09:57
robbiethe1stI'd go close all programs, let the device sit for an hour or so.09:58
robbiethe1stsee what's gotten really high09:58
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threshyes, good idea. thanks!09:58
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Venemo_N950morning11:29
casketizerdoes anyone know how to permanently disable display timeout in n900?11:35
casketizeri had it11:35
casketizerbut i just reflashed and cant find it11:35
divancasketizer, Simple Brightness Applet?11:36
casketizercould be11:36
casketizerill check that when installed11:36
jonwilI am getting closer to figuring out the encryption used for the osso-backup password protected backups on the N90011:38
jonwil:)11:38
jonwilIt screams "security through obscurity" to me11:39
jonwilAlthough the security is strong enough if the password is good11:39
jonwilsince its using AES :)11:39
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Venemo_N950do you guys know who is the man behind quassel2go?11:56
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* robbiethe1st wondered what was going on: 2 xchat instances.12:28
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casketizerappman is soooooo slowwwwwwwww :P12:31
robbiethe1stYes12:36
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robbiethe1stI use apt-get always myself12:36
psychologeyou can use faster application manager12:36
casketizeri normalli use apt too12:38
casketizeror fapman12:38
casketizerdoing restore atm12:38
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vi__I see that /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable12:41
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threshlol, battery eye reports that my battery % raised in last three hours idling on the table12:42
threshso, what does that mean? dying battery? phone was purchased in Dec 200912:43
casketizermagic induction table :)12:44
vi__gets set to 1 when the device is locked12:45
psychologevi__, i see you haha12:45
vi__psychologe: wut?12:45
keriothresh: you may be onto something here12:46
kerioreversing entropy is something really really hard to do12:46
kerio(also it's just bme being stupid as usual)12:46
vi__thresh: your phone is not reverse traversing quantum space12:46
vi__thresh: it corks out battery form voltage12:47
vi__thresh: it is just BME being gay12:47
vi__psychologe: WTF are you on?12:47
keriovi__: i doubt bme is particularly happy12:47
vi__kerio: bme is just plain shite12:48
threshmeh :(12:48
keriowhy is there no replacement for it?12:48
vi__kerio: becasue is some gay ass scam nokia bundled a whole bunch of 'IP' into it and made it a user/kernel space frankenbeast.  To replace it would brake/unfix soo much stuff12:53
vi__.12:53
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vi__although an interesting set script of scripts have turned up on the forum (thanks to shadowjk, joerg and some others i cannot recall right now)12:54
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vi__that could potentially be used to chuck BME.12:55
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jonwilactually, if you have an algorithim for doing the charging with the low-level drivers and hardware, implementing the interface used by the other bits of the system to talk to BME isnt hard12:56
jonwilI posted some docs documenting the bits you need to implement for that somewhere12:56
jonwilon the mailing list IIRC12:56
vi__~dict IIRC12:56
infobotDictionary 'IIRC' (3): // Common abbreviation for "If I Recall Correctly". ;; <chat> If I recall/remember correctly. (1996-11-28) ;; If I Remember/Recall Correctly (Usenet, IRC, telecommunication-slang).12:56
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vi__AFAIK the only thing missing from shadowjk charging script is a method of updating HAL as to the state of charge/battery12:57
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kerio~wtf wtf12:58
vi__however that is more or less irrelevant as the only thing using HAL for battery ios the battery status widget12:58
infobotWTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck12:58
vi__which is shit anyway12:58
vi__and there are replacements available12:58
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jonwilno, there are other things using HAL for battery12:59
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vi__such as?13:02
vi__that isnt replaced by the bq27xxx module13:02
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edheldilwhat is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work13:05
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crashanddie_edheldil, didn't you ask the *exact* same question yesterday?13:14
jonwilthe cameraui, fmtxd, mce battery plugin, hildon-games-wrapper, libqtsysteminfo, mediaplayer, mission-control, intellisyncd, actingdead systemui plugin and battery status bar widget all rely on hald-addon-bme13:15
jonwileither the HAL or dbus interfaces that hald-addon-bme exposes13:15
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wazdHey all13:18
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cehtehupstart is some mystery to me .. i added a new thing to event.d by copying an existing entry and giving it a new name13:21
cehtehbut it doesnt get started at boot13:21
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cehtehis there anything else i need to configure to start jobs?13:21
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psycho_oreosnot that I would know but what if you moved the script (or copy it) to init.d and add a symlink to it from rc2.d?13:29
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cehtehpsycho_oreos: event.d/ configs are quite different to init.d/ scripts, but eventually if i cant tame upstart i just do that13:35
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vi__how come dbus call:13:48
vi__dbus-send /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.exit_app_view13:48
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vi__only works once then subsequantly does nothing?13:49
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vi__it show task switcher btw13:49
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vi__wtf is everyone?13:49
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EvanescenceI try to login N900 from Notebook's ssh. but it need a password. I do not know what's the password for user or root . how to know that password ?14:00
robbiethe1stYou have to set it14:01
robbiethe1stwith passwd14:01
robbiethe1ston the device14:01
psycho_oreosthere's no passwd for user, there is a passwd however for root14:01
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psycho_oreosin fact iirc user logins were forbidden externally, they had exclamation marks for passwd field in /etc/passwd14:02
Evanescenceno passwd for user ?14:03
mgedminyep14:03
Evanescencemgedmin: so how to login N900 user from Notebook ?14:04
mgedminlike psycho_oreos said: first open a terminal on the N900 and set the user's password with 'passwd'14:05
mgedminI wonder if you need to be root to do that...?14:05
mgedminhey, actually, when you install openssh-server, doesn't it pop a dialog asking you to set a user password?14:05
mgedminit's been ages since I did that, but IIRC it did!14:05
nid0it does14:05
psycho_oreospasswd without specifying another user doesn't require root's passwd14:05
mgedminso the password you entered there is the password you use to login14:05
mgedminand if you didn't install openssh-server, then you can't login remotely anyway14:06
psycho_oreosthat's for root iirc14:06
Evanescencemgedmin: I remember, try it again.14:06
EvanescenceI does setted one password for ssh14:06
mgedminpsycho_oreos, when you run passwd as non-root on normal linux distros it asks for your *current* password14:06
psycho_oreoswell you can also install ssh-switcher? I think it has openssh-server as a dependency14:06
mgedminso I wonder how that would work when the current password was not set14:06
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psycho_oreosmgedmin, I'm pretty sure in normal circumstances it won't ask your current password if your account does not allow external login :)14:07
mgedminanyway, psycho_oreos says openssh-server installer sets the root password, not the user password14:07
mgedminso when you ssh to your n900 be sure you ssh to root@...14:07
Evanescencemgedmin: damn it, I tried 6 times, I am sure I forggten that ssh password ....14:07
EvanescenceIf i reinstall ssh-server, will it re-ask me that password ?14:08
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Sicelono password for user by default.. you set it as root, passwd user... openssh-server needs u to set rootpasssword at install14:08
Sicelos/ootpa/oot pa/14:08
infobotSicelo meant: no password for user by default.. you set it as root, passwd user... openssh-server needs u to set root passsword at install14:08
psycho_oreosthere are other ways of changing root password without having to reinstall openssh-server14:08
mgedminEvanescence, worst case, there's a package in extras that gives you passwordless root14:09
EvanescenceSicelo: yeah, I did. but 6 times wrong root password.14:09
psycho_oreose.g. rootsh, gainroot, (r&d mode)14:09
mgedminthen you can reset the root passw to anything you like14:09
Evanescencepsycho_oreos: let me install and try.14:09
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mgedminpersonally, I change 'user:!:' to 'user:*:' in /etc/passwd and then drop a /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys file for passwordless logins14:10
psycho_oreoslol maybe should try the default root passwd :D14:10
mgedminmaemo 5 didn't have a default root passwd, afair14:11
psycho_oreosit does14:11
* mgedmin is not going to reflash his n900 just to prove psycho_oreos wrong14:12
EvanescenceIt works now, thanks, I install gainroot, and posswd root. Thanks14:14
psycho_oreosmgedmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Security <--- 1st paragraph, 3rd line :)14:15
Evanescencehi, BTW, I find that I start /usr/sbin/sshd from root. Then when I close terminal, the ssh server will be close too. why ?14:15
mgedmininteresting username14:15
mgedminbut it doesn't specify the maemo version14:15
psycho_oreosI even have the encrypted/salted root string which I once ran john on it :) same result as what wikipedia wrote14:15
mgedminmaemo 4 had root:rootme14:15
mgedminand harmattan comes with root:rootme and openssh-server preinstalled14:15
nid0eh14:16
psycho_oreosprobably the way sshd is configured14:16
mgedminmaemo 5, otoh, came with a locked root account in the firmware image14:16
nid0preinstalled and with a password set? tell me its not actually running by default?14:16
mgedminwhich, I guess, is why openssh-server has that postinst script to set the root pwd14:16
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mgedminnid0, on a n950? yes, it's running by default14:16
nid0:\14:17
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mgedminit's a developer-only image; I suppose someone decided convenience > security14:17
psycho_oreosnice, at least saves one from installing opensshd :D14:17
mgedminI'm pretty sure n9's final firmware image will not be like that14:17
psycho_oreoss/installing/installing and configuring/14:17
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: nice, at least saves one from installing and configuring opensshd :D14:17
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edheldilcrashanddie:  I did, but haven't got any answer, as far as I was able to tell. But maybe I just have a too short history14:20
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psycho_oreosany of you guys run pk47 and are using ext3 with your microSD? for some reason on mine, even after making ext3 fs several times on N900 it just refuses to mount properly, however all the errors it showed up in dmesg does not appear to concur with the same microSD used on a linux lappy15:08
cehtehpsycho_oreos: did you fixed nokias fstab generation/mount scripts too?15:09
jogaooh...I ranted a bit earlier about not having a decent navigation prog for n900, but only yesterday I tried modRana and it seems to be what I was looking for, I really like the snappy interface with big buttons and that it can be customized easily (even downloading maps was easy)15:09
cehtehthese are seriously borked and unuseable you have to work around that15:09
joga(so if someone was discouraged earlier about not finding sygic anymore, I recommend to try modRana instead)15:09
cehtehand then you may use ext4 instead its noticeably faster than ext3 (but beware, there is no ext4 in the stock kernel, in case you have to replay backups from there its a bit pita)15:10
psycho_oreoscehteh, nah haven't got to that stage, just a simple mount and it spews errors. Before it mounts the microSD but has flags 015:10
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cehtehwhats exactly the problem?15:11
psycho_oreosI'm thinking there's something wrong with the pins on my microSD bay on N900 itself. With another microSD card reader (microSD -> USB) the microSD works perfectly fine15:11
cehtehcould happen some µSD seem to be incompatible15:11
cehtehrarely but happens15:12
cehtehnote that there are quite some different protocols which can go over the SD bus15:12
psycho_oreosI can't get N900 to mount my microSD (which was formatted as ext3), it just spews up errors about corrupt fs15:12
cehtehdid you mkfs on the device?15:12
psycho_oreoshmm it works fine if the microSD has raw/no fs15:12
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psycho_oreosyeah I did, several times, and after each successful attempt at mkfs, I tried mounting, they all come up with errors15:13
cehtehthen you did something wrong .. did you partition the sd card?15:13
cehtehhey or did you got a cheap fake china SD card ;P15:13
psycho_oreosyeah did that, created one big 32GB partition15:13
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cehtehsdxc card?15:14
psycho_oreosnope, this microSD card was bought legitimately from a reputable store in Taiwan, and I've tested it already with FFF, so its not a fake :)15:14
psycho_oreosno15:14
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cehtehFFF?15:14
psycho_oreosfight flash fraud15:14
psycho_oreosactually I meant to say I think the actual name of the tool was called h2 or something15:14
psycho_oreoserr f215:14
cehtehdunno about that15:15
cehtehthere are some quite clever fakes cards15:15
psycho_oreoslol I suck: http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/15:15
cehtehif you make a 1GB partition, does that work then?15:15
psycho_oreoshmm I could give that a shot15:15
cehtehi'd try that rather than the tool15:16
cehtehmaybe only a 256MB partition15:16
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psycho_oreosI've not seen much clever fake cards personally :) I'm sure they can't lie to f3 imo15:18
cehtehpossibly15:19
cehtehbut well either the card fails or you do something wrong ..15:19
cehtehusually this are user errors from my experience .. but with so much crapware SD cards around it would be possible that the card is the problem15:20
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cehtehbesides the n900 'officially' only supports up to 16GB, when it was released 32GB wherent available15:21
cehteh(but i heared about people successfully using 32GB cards)15:21
psycho_oreosI sort of wouldn't hope it would be card's fault after sinking in some good money on the second one after thoroughly testing out the first one that they weren't lying on capacities15:21
psycho_oreosheh the irony is that I'm using 32GB card15:22
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psycho_oreoss/testing/tested/15:22
cehtehwell no idea then, SD cards have quite some delicate timing specs and some cheap ones fail that and are then unreliable or plainly broken15:23
cehteheven if not fraud, just bad quality15:23
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psycho_oreosor it could be a frail microSD port ;) like that microUSB socket15:24
cehtehso there is not only fraud with boosted capacities but also with bad controlers and buggy firmware15:24
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cehtehi doubt that, try another card15:24
cehtehwell check that you inserted it correctly15:24
cehteh(contacts are clean, no moisture, finger grease)15:25
cehtehand locked the latch15:25
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psycho_oreoshumm, looks like its user error so far...*facepalms self*15:26
cehtehyou have the back cover put back on? .. you know that removing back cover will trigger a umount?15:26
cehtehhaha15:26
psycho_oreosyeah I know and did all that15:26
cehtehwhat was wrong?15:26
psycho_oreosI think my error was trying to mount /dev/mmcblk1 instead of /dev/mmcblk1p115:26
cehtehlol15:26
cehteha friend of me once trashed his server by mkswap on the /home partition :P15:27
psycho_oreosthough I noticed that after mounting ext3 I still get 0 as options15:27
psycho_oreoslol ouch15:27
psycho_oreosI'd bet he would've had fun recovering the remnants of his data15:28
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cehtehactually he just installed it anew without data :P15:28
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psycho_oreoswhat, no data in his /home? well he's lucky then :)15:29
cehtehnah, just admit everything is lost without trying to recover15:30
psycho_oreoslol15:30
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psycho_oreosI've done something similar like that (actually by far on an actual scale) awhile back, something that makes me shake my head and frown when recalling it15:31
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admiral0hi15:32
psycho_oreosih15:32
admiral0is there a way to setup scratchbox + kdevelop + cmake?15:32
admiral0i see no way to set cmake executable15:32
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psycho_oreos*shrugs* beats me15:35
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* jonwil is still trying to figure out the osso-backup password protected backup encryption...15:47
fluxjoga, unzip didn't do it for you?15:48
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jonwilI have identified that its using AES encryption15:49
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mgedminflux, it seems osso-backup doesn't use zip passwords; it encrypts the whole zip file15:52
jonwilyes it does15:53
jonwilit uses AES encryption to do so15:53
jonwilwith some extra bits15:53
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RST38hBorders kaput!15:58
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jonwilwhat do you mean borders kaput?15:59
jonwiloh I see now16:00
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fluxmgedmin, tried gpg then?16:15
mgedmintalk to jonwil, it's his backup16:16
jonwildefo not GPG or anything I have seen16:16
jonwiland I am only doing it beccause I am interesting in figuring it out and documenting it for the community16:16
jonwilnot because I need it myself16:16
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jonwil:P)16:16
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jonwil:)16:16
RST38hDevice sent!16:17
RST38hYooohooo16:17
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jonwilnice one :P16:17
jonwilLets hope these N950s are going to people who genuinely deserve them16:17
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pavihttps://bugs.maemo.org/  has a bug in itself . It is unable to generate a graphical report . was showing  abroken image16:22
paviThe table report works16:22
paviHas anyone noticed it ?16:22
pavihttps://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=bug_status&cumulate=0&z_axis_field=&format=bar&x_axis_field=classification&query_format=report-graph&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Documentation&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&e16:23
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pavioops should have used link shortener .16:23
pavihttp://bit.ly/o6zB3t16:24
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jonwilbah, this code is too complex, I cant figure it out :(16:27
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RST38hAnyone found the Google+ URL for iPhones etc?16:28
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andre__pavi: bugs.maemo.org has a Bugzilla component, however unlikely to invest and fix...16:32
andre__s/invest/investigate16:33
paviohh will report it there16:33
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khuongadmiral017:16
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admiral0hi khuong17:16
khuonggood morning17:17
khuongI need to go out and grab some breakfast17:17
admiral0ok17:17
admiral0i'll be waiting17:17
khuongwas you able to compile the code?17:18
admiral0yep17:19
admiral0easy17:19
admiral0i switched to cmake though17:19
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khuongnice, I may have sometime to start on the callerx-ui today, hopefully17:26
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Evanescencewhat is SMS ?17:31
crashanddie_Evanescence, sorry?17:31
nealI disabled the proxy on my n900, but running import gconf; gconf.client_get_default().get_bool('/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy') in Python still returns true.  Is this a bug?  Do I have to reboot to change the proxy settings?17:31
crashanddie_Evanescence, text messages?17:31
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Evanescencecrashanddie_: I find one app's name is SMSON, I want to know what does it used for ?17:32
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crashanddie_read the description?17:32
Evanescencecrashanddie_: just text message ?17:32
Evanescencecrashanddie_: ok17:32
crashanddie_smscon?17:32
Evanescencecrashanddie_: but the desc is so short....17:32
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Evanescencecrashanddie_: yes, smscon17:32
crashanddie_~smscon17:33
crashanddie_~smscon is http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON17:33
infobotokay, crashanddie_17:33
Evanescencethx17:34
crashanddie_~tell Evanescence about smscon17:34
Evanescence~you17:34
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RST38hA random WP7 developer blog: http://blog.lumalilt.com/17:49
RST38h(WARNING: severe eyesight hazard)17:49
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VenemoRST38h, lol17:51
FIQ|n900reminds me of the acid1 test17:52
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* SpeedEvil does not understand why he doesn't get old texts in a nice rapid queue when the phone is turned on.18:21
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khuongyou there?19:27
admiral0yep19:28
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SpeedEvillardman: http://s.dealextreme.com/search/227719:30
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lcukSpeedEvil, i don't know which to applaude19:36
lcukthe fact that exists19:37
lcukor that there are 6 customer reviews for it19:37
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SpeedEvil:)19:37
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lcukPros19:38
lcuk:looks like pork19:38
lcukCons:19:38
lcukdoesnt taste like pork19:38
SpeedEvil:)19:38
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ShadowJKlol19:39
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khuonghaving connection problem?19:40
admiral0khuong: no, it's intel driver segfaulting X1119:42
admiral0fix is there, too busy to compile it19:42
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ludenscan anyone recommend add-ons for speeding up MicroB. i have only adblockplus, considering noscript20:01
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ludensbut i recall someone mentioning an add-on to improve memory handling or startup...20:02
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ThreeMyou cannot improve with a plugin20:02
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ludensi agree it sounds weird20:05
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ludenslets just say it was smth that was supposed to speed it up. and it was mentioned by someone in here20:06
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Robot101what's the best way to get my N900 calendar synced to Google?20:11
Robot101ideally bidirectional but even a one-off would be fine20:11
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ruskieRobot101, mail for exchange?20:13
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Robot101is that a "I think this should work", or a "this works for me"?20:14
obcecadomail for exchange works20:14
obcecadobidirectional20:14
ruskieI think20:16
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ruskienover used it since I removed it20:17
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Creteil~seen thopiekar20:19
infobotthopiekar <~quassel@p4FCD74A5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20h 59m 24s ago, saying: 'after removing some apps in facebook.. at least the "Nokia N900" app and ZapLoc now chat is working again!'.20:19
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piggzhow can i take a screenshot on the n900, in portrait mode?20:39
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Choomdon't slide it open all the way20:41
cehtehhow do you take a screenshot on the n900? :)20:41
Choomcontrol+shift+P20:42
cehtehah :)20:42
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mgedminssh + some command-line screenshot tool could maybe work too20:50
Choomand so can the console with a sleep X && scrot20:51
Choom(assuming there's a port of scrot for the N900)20:51
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MohammadAGso, my N900 drops finally paid off, I have better tactile feedback, the whole screen part goes in on pressing it21:26
MohammadAGplus the keyboard border thing is a bit loose, so the keys have an extra press sound in them21:26
kerioMohammadAG: haha21:27
keriosell it as a kit21:27
GeneralAntillesDoes anybody else find Android's settings format entirely too confusing?21:28
mgedminkeep it for spare parts21:28
MohammadAGwhy? it works fine :P21:28
MohammadAGjust has better feedback :p21:28
MohammadAGmy N950 hasn't shipped yet :/21:29
Choommine's still in new condition21:29
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Choomexcept for the corners, which are rather worn off21:29
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Choomdue to friction inside my pockets21:29
hiemanshuMohammadAG: mine is sitting here :D21:29
MohammadAGlook-wise, it's new here too21:30
* MohammadAG needs his screwdriver set to tighten a few screens21:30
CaCO3MohammadAG: Same to me :( still on NEW ORDER21:32
CaCO3It seems there havent been many send out in the last few working days, according to the wiki...21:32
hiemanshuMohammadAG: FYI, Mine took 4 business days to arrive21:32
MohammadAGhiemanshu, mine's on fucking new order21:34
hiemanshuMohammadAG: I had to email to get some movement on mine, try doing that?21:34
MohammadAGmy order should ship tomorrow according to order numbering21:34
hiemanshuthey dont care about the numbering21:35
MohammadAGwhat's the email?21:35
hiemanshuddp.program@21:36
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piggzChoom: cheers, i'll try it21:42
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fusin900: only 'phone' id dream of doing dev on21:48
loft306heh21:48
fusiwell, i do and i love it <3 xD21:48
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unixSnobmeh.. n900 only supports one sim.. screw that!22:14
casketizeris it possible to use dpkg option --force-overwrite in apt-get ? or is there an equivalent option?22:15
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unixSnobcasketizer: you can force a version22:16
casketizernah22:16
casketizerpcket conflicts with other packet but its just two icon files22:17
casketizeri can dl and dpkg -i --force-overwrite22:17
casketizeri wanted to know if i can skip the manual dl22:18
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casketizerand tell apt-get to force overwrite22:18
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thomic:) - the Nokia Support is a really funny department - if you don't have to deal with 'em!22:44
thomicthey're no more N900 left in stock - and no spare parts - so they offer you an N8 or E7 or ... say you can wait. Because they're trying to rebuy N900s from dealers stocks :D22:45
thomici can really imagine how the dealers feel who are in that very well position :) - good price for that rare product i think22:46
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andre__heh. sounds like I should resell some of my N900s. :-P22:51
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thomic:)22:53
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trumeehiemanshu, did you have to deal with customs?23:03
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_trinehow much are the N950's selling for23:44
Mekthey are not and will not be sold23:45
Mek(and if somebody loses it it will cos tthem 500 euros, so I suppose they would sell for at least that if you find them on the black market :P)23:45
_trinewell how do devs get them23:46
Mecemagic23:46
MekDHL23:46
_trineand I wonder how the aluminium body affects the wifi antennas23:46
Mecemagic + dhl = n95023:46
_trineoh i am sorry23:46
Mece_trine, wifi works fine on mine23:46
_trineI forgot for a moment I was on the school boy channel23:47
Meceit has plasticky ends23:47
MekI think the ends of the body on the bottom are plastic, not aluminium23:47
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Mece_trine, well I got mine through meego community developer device program23:47
_trinecan anyone apply and I guess it was not free23:48
Mekyeah, there were at least 3 programs where they were given away. the meego community one, Qt Ambassadors could apply, and the even bigger developer.nokia.com program23:48
Mekand yes, it was free23:48
Mekbut all deadlines to apply are closed by now afaik23:48
_trineah thanks for the info23:49
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_trinedo you have to give them back at some point? I ask because you said you would have to pay 500E if anyone lost it23:51
_trinebecause how would they know you had lost it23:51
Mece_trine, you only have to pay if they actually ask for them back23:51
_trinewhich I would not think they would23:52
Mece_trine, unless you tell them and want a new one i suppose.23:52
_trinethey look nice23:52
Mece_trine, it's unlikely.23:52
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_trinei like the idea of a metal body23:52
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_trineand a keyboard23:53
Mece_trine, well I like the ui most of all..23:53
_trinewhich the N9 does not have23:53
Mecenod23:53
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_trinethe N9 is in my opinion set to be a flop23:54
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_trinethe n950 is better23:54
casketizeryea23:55
casketizerid buy n950 but n9 no thx23:55
casketizerirc on vkb = epic fail23:56
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