IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-07-18

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scoobertronbenno2: if you save the file with an appropriate extension, what happens when you try to open it in the file manager - if it opens in the browser you could maybe bookmark it from there.00:03
scoobertronbenno2: sorry, I misunderstood your question, I don't think that helps00:04
benno2scoobertron, no problem. anyway thanks for your tips00:04
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thopiekarhi00:27
thopiekarfacebook-chat isn't working for me at the moment.. the settimgs ui says that the login fails. have you noticed the same?00:28
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CreteilHi all00:29
thopiekarhi00:29
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CreteilWhy when I try to build a package under scratchbox, the resulting package use python 2.3.4 in place of python 2.5.4 ?00:31
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CreteilAlso, the path of the stuff in this package point to : ./scratchbox/tools/.../...00:33
Creteilanyone know how to fix this ?00:33
thopiekaruse python2.5 executable and not the python executable00:35
thopiekarscratchbox overwrites some binaries00:35
CreteilI actually use this : PYTHON=python2.5 PATH=/usr/bin/dh7:$PATH dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d00:36
thopiekarhad that problem some years before, too when starting with sb00:36
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Creteileven with 'PYTHON=python2.5' the resulting package end using python 2.300:36
Creteilthat just sux00:36
Creteil:-(00:36
thopiekarnot sure about that but you should modify your debian/rules00:37
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Creteiland what I need to put in the debian/rules file ?00:37
thopiekarshow me first of all the content of it ;)00:37
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CreteilHere it is :00:39
Creteil#!/usr/bin/make -f00:39
Creteil# -*- makefile -*-00:39
Creteil# Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper.00:39
Creteil# This file was originally written by Joey Hess and Craig Small.00:39
Creteil# As a special exception, when this file is copied by dh-make into a00:39
Creteil# dh-make output file, you may use that output file without restriction.00:39
Creteil# This special exception was added by Craig Small in version 0.37 of dh-make.00:39
Creteil# Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode.00:39
Creteil#export DH_VERBOSE=100:39
Creteil%:00:39
Creteildh  $@00:39
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Creteillook like a default minimal debian/rules00:39
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thopiekarplease use a pastebin the next time :)00:39
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thopiekarwell00:39
Creteilok, sorry00:40
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thopiekarthis rules file seems to be made via debhelper 7.. I would repackage it with debhelper 5 which is shipped with the SDK00:41
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Creteilok, How I can do this ?00:41
thopiekarthat means you'll need to remove the debian folder and run in the source folder 'dh_make --createorig'00:42
thopiekarand then google for: 'debian packaging python module'00:42
Creteilok, let me chack now ...00:42
CreteilI have just removed debhelper 7 with -> 'apt-get remove --purge debhelper7'00:43
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Creteilmv debian ..00:43
thopiekark and install debhelper after that00:43
thopiekark00:43
Creteilii  debhelper      5.0.42-0osso1  helper programs for debian/rules00:44
Creteildone00:44
CreteilType of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs?00:44
Creteil [s/m/l/k/b]00:44
thopiekars00:45
CreteilK00:45
thopiekara single binary will be fine for the beginning ;)00:45
Creteilok :-)00:45
CreteilNow I'm here :00:46
CreteilSkipping creating ../sslstrip_0.9.orig.tar.gz because it already exists00:46
CreteilCurrently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning.00:46
CreteilDone. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also00:46
Creteilcheck that the sslstrip Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .00:46
Creteil[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sslstrip/sslstrip-0.9] >00:46
thopiekarjust need to leave in the next minutes because I'll need some sleep till tomorrow.. have to wake up in 6hours to get to work..00:46
thopiekarwhat is sslstrip?00:46
CreteilThis tool provides a demonstration of the HTTPS stripping attacks that I presented at Black Hat DC 2009. It will transparently hijack HTTP traffic on a network, watch for HTTPS links and redirects, then map those links into either look-alike HTTP links or homograph-similar HTTPS links. It also supports modes for supplying a favicon which looks like a lock icon, selective logging, and session...00:47
Creteil...denial.00:47
Creteilhttp://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslstrip/00:48
thopiekarI'll take a look at it tomorrow ok? is it available on ubuntu repos?00:48
CreteilNo, it's not, I pull the original source package from a ppa ... wait one I gice you the URL of this ppa ...00:48
Creteilhttps://launchpad.net/~cashmoney/+archive/security00:49
thopiekarI really need some sleep now :D it's 23:50 here.. ok I ll wait ;)00:49
Creteilno problems, have a good night, but I come back at you and you teach me about packaging ... ;-)00:50
Creteilwhat is your time ?00:50
Creteillook like you are at same time :-)00:51
thopiekar+2 is my timezone afaik00:51
CreteilCTCP time reply “Sun Jul 17 23:51:44” from thopiekar00:51
Creteil[Sunday 17 July 2011 - 23:51:10]<Creteil>look like you are at same time :-)00:51
Creteiloops00:51
thopiekar;)00:51
Creteil:-)00:51
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Creteilwell have a good sleep, you come back here at what time ?00:52
thopiekaryou'll find my email address at talk.maemo00:52
Creteilok00:52
thopiekarhmm think tomorrow at 17 o'clock00:52
Creteilok00:53
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Creteilanyhow I come back here to see if I can reach you ...00:53
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Creteilhave a good dreams :-)00:53
thopiekarthanks see you soon ;)00:53
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trumeecrap, i am screwed. i installed multiboot and forgot to enter an item for maemo. I only have an entry for nitdroid on it :(00:54
CreteilI'm trying my best on my side for sslstrip during your night ...00:54
jacekowskitrumee: flash it00:54
trumeeCan i edit multiboot.d in nitdroid ?00:54
Creteiltrumee, fault :-(00:54
trumeejacekowski: ok, will flash it with default kernel00:56
trumeeuggghhh, i dont have a usb cable around.00:57
trumeeis it not possible to mount / in android and edit /etc/multiboot.d ?00:57
* trumee yay, found a usb cable01:03
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DocScrutinizer51friggin modest is set to check-period:30min, still it took 23h+ for this mail to download from my private imap server01:03
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trumeejacekowski: i flashed the kernel (flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R) but it still is booting into multiboot :(01:11
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: any idea?01:13
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DocScrutinizer51trumee: multiboot is a really screwed thing reflashing kernel during execution of initscripts01:16
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: guess, i dont have any option other flash rootfs :(01:17
DocScrutinizer51trumee: flashing kernel will at best do nothing, at worst cause bootloop (kernel module missbmach)01:17
DocScrutinizer51trumee: according to /topic01:17
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: right, flashing rootfs.01:19
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* trumee hates himself for self imposed stupidity01:19
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: so my /home/user is lost now?01:22
DocScrutinizer51/home/user is unaffected by flashing COMBINED01:22
fusihttp://www.sekaita.com/blog/n900-backgrounds01:22
fusi\o/01:22
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: thank God for that01:23
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* SpeedEvil realises he'd really like a mbarcode-plugin that pretended to be a BT plugin.01:33
SpeedEvilSo it typed the barcode.01:33
SpeedEvilBT keyboard01:33
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: aside from insertion/injection of chars to stdin if the currently focused process, the patch to mbarcodereader should be trivial01:37
DocScrutinizer51tbh I dunno how to accomplish the inject part at all01:37
DocScrutinizer51possibly sending aome apecial X11messages can do that01:38
DocScrutinizer51Some Special01:38
DocScrutinizer51don't know of a more generic way01:39
DocScrutinizer51except patching kbd driver01:39
DocScrutinizer51actually I'm missing this inject-chars-to-stdin frequently01:41
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I mean so that the n900 acts like a BT keyboard, for a 'PC', and types barcodes it sees.01:51
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DocScrutinizerwell, this was inject-to-stdin for bluemaemo then, no?03:09
DocScrutinizerjp: B52's - simply the best03:10
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DocScrutinizerMEH! registering with WLAN AP makes mediaplayer stutter03:15
DocScrutinizerat least when playing MP3 to BT03:16
DocScrutinizerwait, WLAN... BT... hmm03:16
* DocScrutinizer ponders03:16
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fusiDocScrutinizer: i have no probs with wifi/bt interefernce..03:55
fusitheyre on separate ariels on n900 <303:56
fusimy pile of crap htc touch pro had them both on same ariel03:56
fusiresult: no wifi and bt at the same time03:56
fusirubbish03:56
SpeedEvilTo be fair., that's pretty much irrelevant.03:56
fusirly?03:57
SpeedEvilyes03:57
SpeedEvilIn that you're going to utterly wipe out the other anyway03:57
fusii can do both ere no probs03:58
SpeedEvilThe key is in the BT/wifi coexistance features on the chipset.03:58
DocScrutinizerfusi: what's ariels?03:58
fusioooh03:58
SpeedEvilchipsets03:58
DocScrutinizerantennae? then nope03:58
fusiDocScrutinizer: hehe03:58
fusi^thats how i intepreted it03:59
fusididddnt know about coexistance thingies03:59
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: indeed it seems coexistence doesn't work for registering03:59
DocScrutinizerWLAN registering03:59
DocScrutinizerhad no real issues after it registered, even when downloading updates for apt-get04:00
fusimm04:00
DocScrutinizerit was slow as melasses, dunno if due to server or due to coexistence04:00
DocScrutinizerfusi: on N900 bt and wifi use same antenna04:01
fusiru sure?04:01
DocScrutinizeryes04:01
DocScrutinizeractually BT RF flows through the WLAN chip to the antenna04:02
fusiguess i interpreted those circuit diagrams wrong04:02
fusiall about the coexistance stuff then04:02
fusiglad the n900 has it :)04:03
fusimy touch pro was a pita in this respect04:03
DocScrutinizerfusi: obviously you interpreted this schematics wrong, look at T6000 BT RF BALUN04:03
DocScrutinizerp.904:04
DocScrutinizerenters N6300 WLAN module at BT_RF(B!)04:05
DocScrutinizerpin B1 even04:05
DocScrutinizerantenna is on pin E104:05
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DocScrutinizerfusi: coexistence is implemented via BT_WLAN(3:0) bus, which magically eliminates one signal from WLAN to BT, 4 start, 3 arrive04:08
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fusikk thx DocScrutinizer04:09
DocScrutinizeryw04:10
DocScrutinizerif you got *any* questions about the hardware, just ask. You'll probably not find better replies04:10
fusii think youre right :p04:11
DocScrutinizerwell04:12
DocScrutinizer~ DocScrutinizer04:12
infobotmethinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko04:12
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fusimmmm my rice pudding is ready04:12
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DocScrutinizerI'll call it a day04:12
fusiheh i thought u were calling a dtor04:12
fusiaah04:12
fusi:p04:12
fusiive heard of openmoko04:13
fusi:)04:13
DocScrutinizerI've been the one to *fix* all the hw bugs X-P04:14
DocScrutinizerat least I tried, several fixes never made it to MP though04:15
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fusirespect04:15
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DocScrutinizerenough of "who's got the longest (history of EE)" ;-D04:16
DocScrutinizercya04:16
fusitara o/04:16
fusihehe04:16
fusiim just a newb coder04:17
* SpeedEvil realised with some depression that the (legal) girl he was looking at is younger than an operating computer he has.04:18
fusii work for 'the man'04:18
fusilol SpeedEvil04:18
nox-haha SpeedEvil04:19
SpeedEvilOTOH - girls need more maintainance than changing their AA batteries.04:20
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DocScrutinizerooh, they run on AA now?04:21
fusibadoom *tsshhh*04:21
SpeedEvilAn AA cell provides the recommeded energy to run a girl for 2 minutes.04:23
SpeedEvil(~60W, the average man is around 100W)04:23
DocScrutinizerthat might explain the limited attention time span04:23
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: aren't the younger ones faster, smarter, and less power sucking?04:28
DocScrutinizerunless it's all just about visual effects ;-)04:29
ShadowJKA common mistake is to feed them one AA cell at a time, failing to realize the difference between energy and power. Lack of sufficient power may cause instability and erratic behaviour ;P04:30
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DocScrutinizersounds about right, speaking empiric04:31
DocScrutinizerlooking at pubs OTOH seems to suggest most men run on fuel cells, and somebody finally should fix that mysterious bug in there. The more fuel, the more erratic the behaviour04:33
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GeneralAntillesAT&T is advertising their network as "open and collaborative".04:46
GeneralAntillesWhat does that mean, exactly. . . .04:46
SpeedEvilIt means you can call between phones on that network at reduced rates.04:47
SpeedEvilI guess04:47
DocScrutinizeropen == everybody can eavesdrop. collaborative == federals can get support if they still don't get it despite pint 104:49
DocScrutinizerpoint 1*04:49
GeneralAntillesAT&T, hooking the Feds into your national trunk line all day, every day.04:51
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Termanagood morning04:55
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SpacedOutEither that or they are worried about the merger going through and want to make sure they don't sound like a monopoly.  I just hate that when they suck up T-Mobile I'll loose 3G and most likely the unsubsidized rates I'm paying since I actually bought the cell phone myself.05:20
lofty306i'll loose the 3.5 prob05:21
lofty306be stuck with all the ithings fighting for bandwidth05:22
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fusifreaking love my n90005:56
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paulyhello all06:17
paulyhey timeless:06:17
jonwilhi06:17
timelesshi06:17
paulystill have the n806:17
timelessyeah06:18
* timeless needs to pack06:18
paulytimeless: i sold the n900 on ebay for $18906:18
paulyanyone want to sell their n8?06:19
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lofty306lol06:28
paulyspeedevil: didnt you have an n8?06:28
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GeneralAntillesWhen will this stupid game end?08:39
GeneralAntillesJaffa, ping?08:39
Jaffapong08:46
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: You're still up?!08:46
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GeneralAntillesBottom of the 16th inning in the Rays/Red Sox game.08:46
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GeneralAntillesStarted 5:41 ago.08:47
GeneralAntillesStill no response from etherpad.08:48
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GeneralAntillesOK, Rays lost.08:54
GeneralAntillesGoing to bed.08:54
GeneralAntillesJaffa, will be up early-ish to wait for DHL. So I can work on the issue whenever etherpad comes back.08:55
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Termanarobbiethe1st, ping09:05
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robbiethe1st?09:05
robbiethe1stTermana: Pong?09:06
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Termanarobbiethe1st, does BackupMenu use multiboot or uboot?09:06
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robbiethe1stNiether, by default. It uses bootmenu, which basically hijacks the normal Maemo boot process.09:06
robbiethe1stBut you can modify it to use just about anything you want, so long as it's running the Maemo kernel and has the rootfs accessible...09:07
Termanaright I meant bootmenu by multiboot. I thought multiboot was just the old name for bootmenu09:08
robbiethe1stI don't think so; Multiboot will run other kernels(and is actually potentially dangerous in that it flashes new kernels depending on your boot choice); bootmenu just hijacks the Maemo boot process09:09
robbiethe1stCheck /bootmenu.sh for more info09:09
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robbiethe1stAlso, uBoot and bootmenu will work together, but to run multiboot  with Backupmenu you need a custom multiboot menu item file.09:10
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robbiethe1stNice! 470 installs of BM 1.1 since it was released two days ago09:14
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jonwilI have pretty much given up hope of finding anyone who can figure out how to call libconnui :( (or of seeing information from Nokia about it)09:15
jonwilLooks like Cell Broadcast SMS wont happen after all09:15
jonwil:(09:15
Termanajonwil, do you think that you might be putting in too much effort for too little gain?09:15
robbiethe1stNever!09:16
robbiethe1stIt's those little things that make Maemo great09:16
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jonwilIf I can figure out how to call those damn connui functions, implementing the rest of my plan should be fairly simple09:17
robbiethe1stCan't you, like, decompile the connui library or something? Isn't there some tool that can tell you all functions etc?09:18
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: thanks09:22
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jonwilI cant decompile it09:46
jonwilI can disassemble it09:46
jonwilbut my knowledge of the ARM ABI is not good enough to figure out just whats going on09:46
jonwilor just what the prototype of these functions actually is09:46
robbiethe1stIsn't there some sort of analyser out there?09:46
robbiethe1stseems like there should be...09:46
jonwilnope09:46
jonwilnot for ARM09:46
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jonwilfor x86 I have a decompiler09:47
jonwilbut there are no x86 binaries of these libs09:47
robbiethe1stdarn09:47
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jonwilso unless a miracle occurs and Nokia can be convinced to release the headers for these libs or unless someone with ARM reverse engineering/ASM skills shows up who can help me reverse engineer this stuff, its not happening09:50
jonwil:(09:50
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jonwilAt this point, I think it would take a miracle to get Nokia to even acknowledge the existence of Fremantle, let alone provide any kind of information on it09:58
robbiethe1stYea, sadly.09:59
robbiethe1stYet it's *still* the best thing ever.09:59
jonwilI have no doubt that there are things YOU wish nokia would release or open source too...09:59
robbiethe1stDefinitely10:00
jonwillike what? :)10:00
robbiethe1stStill, Fremantle > Harmattan10:00
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robbiethe1stActually, I think OSS graphics drivers would be my first choice; then modem interfacing...10:01
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robbiethe1stJust thinking in terms of what's needed to, say, make Debian or Kubuntu Mobile just as good/fast as Fremantle10:01
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jonwilmodem interfacing is available if you use ofono10:02
jonwil:)10:02
robbiethe1stOoh, nice10:02
ruskieis ofono actually usable yet on the n900?10:02
jonwilyes it is10:02
jonwilMeeGo-on-N900 is using it no problems10:02
ruskiewas hoping for m5 CE thingy having it10:03
ruskiebasically replace as much as possible of the proprietary things10:03
robbiethe1stYea10:03
ruskiewithout affecting the UX though10:03
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jonwilIf we had documentation of all the dbus interfaces to the cellular services daemon and its plugins, replacing it with ofono shouldn't be rocket science10:05
jonwilBut we dont10:05
jonwilso we cant replace it10:05
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vdvhow can i reset data counter to zero?10:17
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ruskievdv, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control10:21
ruskiehas a ton of info on how to do things10:22
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vdvruskie, thanks10:24
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crashanddie_sup #maemo.10:29
dm8tbrnot mucken futch10:30
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vdvisn't it possible to play mp3's from microsd if it's filesystem is not vfat?10:44
ruskieshould be10:44
ruskiedon't see why not10:44
vdvwith default media player?10:44
ruskieagain don't see why not10:44
vdvthink it doesn't scan device10:44
ruskiethe only thing is it needs to get indexed10:44
ruskiejonwil, anything like this of help: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/ ?10:45
robbiethe1stYou'd need to mount the microSD card somewhere it can be read10:45
ruskierobbiethe1st, well wouldn't the default auto mount location be good for that?10:45
vdvsince sdcard is ext3, i become warning on boot that card is unusable10:45
robbiethe1stYes.10:45
ruskievdv, it's not really10:45
ruskiethe OS needs to be ajdusted to mount it10:45
vdvi know, i can mount it and use10:45
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vdventry in fstab?10:46
ruskiemight need to poke tracker to index it10:46
ruskiesadly no10:46
ruskiefstab gets regenerated on each reboot10:46
ruskiewhich is annoying10:46
ruskieI really need to send some patches to cssu for that10:46
vdvbut there's no fstab.d under /etc10:46
ruskieerm10:46
ruskiethere is no fstab.d anywhere10:46
jonwilnope that site doesn't help10:46
ruskieit's just /etc/fstab10:46
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vdvyes10:47
ruskieand that gets generated using some awk script10:47
jonwilThe hard part (and the undocumented part) is understanding the ARM linux ABI10:47
ruskiegenfstab.awk iirc10:47
ruskieahh10:47
RST38hOne would think the ABI is pretty well documented10:47
RST38hBy ARM itself10:47
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jonwilI could probably figure some things out by reading the GCC source code10:48
jonwilbut the GCC source code is unreadable10:48
jonwilits a nightmare10:48
jonwil:P10:48
ruskiettp://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ?10:49
ruskies/ttp:/http:/10:50
infobotruskie meant: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ?10:50
JaffaMorning, all10:51
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* jonwil wishes he could afford a copy of the HexRays ARM decompiler :(10:56
vdvcan anyone advise some good media player for maemo?10:56
ruskievdv, I use xmms2 myself ;)10:56
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vdvand for video?10:56
Venemovdv, what's wrong with the built-in one?10:57
ruskiemplayer10:57
ruskiebut then that's me10:57
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vdvinstalled smplayer11:13
ruskieVenemo, the issue with built-in one... tracker11:13
Venemomhm.11:14
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Venemojoppu, ping11:17
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Venemojoppu, please see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26464&posted=1#post2646411:24
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vdvhmm.. seems media player actually "sees" mp3's on ext3 microsd11:29
ruskievdv, after they get indexed by tracker yeah11:29
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vdvhow can run tracker manually?11:31
jonwilis it just me or have all the smart guru people moved to the N950 or to MeeGo? :P11:35
ruskieno clue11:36
jonwilIt seems that way though11:37
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crashanddie_jonwil, hardly.11:43
crashanddie_jonwil, but yeah, we've lost 150 people in the channel over the last year.11:43
crashanddie_vdv, /etc/osso-af-init/tracker.sh start11:45
jonwilSeems like finding anyone much who cares about improving Fremantle or doing any kind of system development is almost impossible11:45
vdvcrashanddie, and maybe before that tracker-processes --terminate11:46
vdvwhat's wrong with this http://pastebin.com/4EpRVfAm (contents of the hildon-application-manager.list file)11:50
vdvis it normal that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?11:50
ruskieyup11:51
vdvi get error when i do apt-get update11:51
ruskieand you really shouldn't be editing hildon-application-manager.list11:51
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cehtehthere is sources.list.d/ right?11:51
ruskieuse the app manager to edit catalogues11:51
ruskieshould be11:51
cehtehthis isnt normal apt .. its nokiafucked apt :)11:51
vdvlol11:52
vdvruskie, should edit sources.list instead?11:52
vdvah, app manager11:53
cehtehuse the application manager gui11:53
vdvok11:53
cehtehit also sprinkles some fairy dust over apt, using plain apt can break the system11:53
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cehtehfapman works to some extent too, even some people suggest against it11:54
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vdvProgram Catalog doesn't work now12:03
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vdvseems hildon-application-manager.list is damaged12:03
vdvcan anyone post his own so i can to compare?12:04
cehtehhey that one contains private data, doesnt it?12:06
cehteh(the closed source repo for the nokia apps)12:06
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vdvcehteh, closed source repo?12:12
cehtehwhy did yours get damaged btw?12:13
cehtehhttp://pastebin.com/dAtyJgxJ12:14
vdvbecause i've edited it too much :)12:15
cehtehlooks no private stuff there, the SDK repo has some private URL which should not be published12:15
cehtehlol12:15
cehtehnote the last 2 entries are non standard too12:15
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vdvcehteh, ok thanks12:17
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vdvapt-worker: too weak to get lock from 3811.12:22
vdvi assume 3811 is application manager's pid?12:22
vdvi get msg above when trying to run application manager12:23
cehtehyou have some apt jobs running or stale locks?12:25
cehtehfix that, maybe just reboot12:25
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joppuVenemo: pong, got it12:31
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Venemojoppu, thank you :)12:32
Venemojoppu, do you have a good idea for a good-looking icon for such an app?12:32
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joppuI'm at work atm, so I'll get back to you later, ok?12:38
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EvanescenceIs their some tools to hack wireless on Maemo except aircrack-ng ?12:49
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vdvW: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF13:23
vdvhow can i fix that?13:24
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dvoidlove the new portrait homescreen support13:51
dvoidmy n900 feels like a new phone ;)13:51
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* jonwil is sad that none of his N900 projects have come to fruit :(13:53
SpeedEvil:(13:55
SpeedEvilWish you'd found here a couple of years ago.13:55
SpeedEvilThings might have been different.13:56
jonwilDoubt any of my projects would have happened then either13:56
jonwilI see nothing to suggest Nokias attitude towards openness in Maemo Fremantle was any better in the past than it is now13:56
cehtehanother reason to write portable code and not to work on a island platform .. bye ios, bye android .. <3 posix / maemo / meego13:57
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cehtehjonwil: looks they nailed the n950 more down than the n900 or?13:57
jonwilDon't know about the N950 at all13:58
jonwiland dont care13:58
scoobertrondvoid: new homescreen support? was there an update that I missed?13:58
cehtehup until the n900 the got more and more open .. not completely but there was some progress13:58
jonwilCommunity SSU13:58
cehtehnot it all ended13:58
SpeedEviljonwil: It was - slightly13:59
SpeedEviljonwil: Some components were opened.13:59
jonwilLike what?13:59
SpeedEviljonwil: And some information was released.13:59
jonwilI think what happened with the N950 is that Nokia invented a new fancy UX and wanted to keep the interesting parts closed13:59
SpeedEviljonwil: Plus - the chances of getting information when large slices of the project team have been axed is at best small.13:59
SpeedEvilPretty much the same with the 900.14:00
jonwilI still doubt that Nokia would have been willing to open up anything for the cell modem stack or related areas of code14:00
cehtehwell n950 / n9 will be a fail and DOA ..14:00
cehteheven if they are great devices ...14:00
DocScrutinizerindeed14:00
dvoidscoobertron, dont think its in any update yet...but theres a .deb in the maemo.org forum...works great...to bad it didt come like 2 years ago ;)14:00
jonwilI doubt that the bits I wanted opened would have been opened even back then14:00
scoobertrondvoid: thanks, I will have a look for that.14:00
jonwilPeople were asking for things like ICD and BME to be opened even before the N90014:01
cehtehthere will be other free/open phones .. sometime14:01
dvoidscoobertron, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7498014:01
jonwilwith only negative answers14:01
Evanescencehow to let N900 output to TV ? I test two in "TV out" setting , and searched maemo.org. nothing found.14:01
SpeedEviljonwil: perhaps14:01
cehtehEvanescence: plug it into a TV should work out of the box then14:01
DocScrutinizerI'm waiting if djszapi's effort to better the situation with aegis docs will blossom - otherwise this N950 is useless junk and I consider sending it either back to Nokia or to the junkjard for recycling14:02
cehtehhaha14:02
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Evanescencecehteh: I plug on that TV connect line. three plug on TV. and another plug on my N900. no effect.14:02
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cehtehEvanescence: in settings you enabled the tvout?14:03
cehtehand are you in NTSCistan or PAListan?14:03
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Evanescencecehteh: yes, enabled, only two type in setting. I test both of them14:03
Evanescencecehteh: what is NTSCistan and PAListan ?14:04
cehtehon the TV set you may have to switch input?14:04
DocScrutinizerhonestly situation feels worse than windows: you don't knw how to do and where to find docs about 50% of things you usually want to do. Kill a runaway user process as root? Not possible14:04
cehtehthe country you live in .. using NTSC or PAL or what?14:04
cehtehDocScrutinizer: how about sending it to me? :)14:04
cehteh(well seriusly, i dont have much interest to waste time on a dead horse)14:05
DocScrutinizersee?!14:05
DocScrutinizersame here14:05
cehtehbut if you abadon it, then in a way to show nokia the finger14:05
cehtehinstall a working openmoko on it or so ..14:06
cehtehor iOS :)14:06
DocScrutinizerhaha, if that were possible I'd probably not bin it14:06
cehtehwell you can give to to your niches as toy?14:06
Evanescencecehteh: I understand a little now14:07
cehtehany useful spare parts on it?14:07
DocScrutinizerI could actually do the explode&scan14:07
DocScrutinizerthen send back the rocks14:07
cehtehDocScrutinizer: yeah cool .. with timer .. send it back, take elop with it14:07
DocScrutinizercehteh: not a bomb, the exploded view ;-P14:08
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cehtehEvanescence: TVout should work unless your device is defect or you made some other error .. likely the later14:08
cehtehplugged in the wrong input, didnt switched to that input14:09
cehtehDocScrutinizer: hey cant you reprogramm the charger to make it boom? ... or maybe just melt14:09
Evanescencecehteh: I plug three line following that colors14:09
cehtehwell read the TV docs what signal the yellow cable is expected14:10
cehtehand then on the TV you need to switch to that input14:10
cehtehwhatever it is named14:10
cehtehit will not automatically use it when you plug something in there14:11
DocScrutinizercehteh: I finally could test if thermal management is good enough to throttle or shutdown prior to CPU defects, yeah14:11
cehtehhey you can make a YT video n950 at 2.5Ghz :)14:11
cehtehand n950 under liquid nitrogen14:12
DocScrutinizerno I can't, this kernel isn't OCable14:12
cehtehand n950 nailed to a barn-door14:12
DocScrutinizerand of now javispedro failed on building the STOCK kernel and make it run14:12
cehtehoutsch14:12
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cehtehsometimes i'd wish the kernel devs switched to gplv3 .. (yeah i know there are also reasons not to do so, but SOMETIMES!)14:14
DocScrutinizeralso javispedro: installed rpcbind, finally it worked... for some 2h or sth - when he left home, aegis decided rpcbind did some suspicious thing so aegis instabricked the device: reflash needed14:14
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cehtehis aegis a kernel module or monolithic?14:15
DocScrutinizerit's a distributed framework, parts in kernel, parts in bootloader, parts in userland14:15
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cehtehi meant the in-kernel parts14:15
DocScrutinizerof course mono14:16
cehtehmhm it has something TPM alike?14:16
DocScrutinizerit IS TPM14:16
cehtehok14:16
* robbiethe1st is actually glad he didn't get picked for a N950...14:16
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cehtehso it will only boot signed kernels14:16
DocScrutinizeryep14:17
cehtehrobbiethe1st: ahh good to meet you ..14:17
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cehtehrobbiethe1st: i have ext4 at MyDocs and mmc .. and backupmenu is unable to access these14:17
cehtehi didnt investigated why, do you have a fast idea how to fix that?14:17
robbiethe1stchange the mount line in14:18
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cehtehin what?14:19
robbiethe1stSorry; doing two things at once. You'll need to change the mount lines in /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item14:20
robbiethe1stit's a shell script, so14:20
cehtehah ok :) thanks14:21
cehtehthats all info i need14:21
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cehtehrobbiethe1st: shall i make that configureable and send you a patch? .. else i just fix it ad-hoc for me14:23
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robbiethe1stActually, I should probably do some auto-detection...14:24
robbiethe1stIf you can figure that out, I'd be more than appreciative.14:25
cehtehyeah my thinking .. but i am not sure the busybox mount can do autodetection, if not you have to read the fs identifier14:26
cehtehok maybe i do that14:26
cehteh(dont hold your breath)14:26
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cehtehanyways making this configureable  "MY_DOCS_FS=vfat"   would be the first step .. later then checking if there is MY_DOCS_FS=auto and then, if neccessary do the autodetection14:30
cehteh.. backup works14:31
cehtehthanks14:31
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ruskiewhy would you need to do vfat/ext detection?14:34
ruskiemount -t auto will auto detect them14:34
ruskiefsck should auto detect them as well14:34
ruskieeven fstab entry as auto will auto detect them for the fs14:34
cehtehruskie: yes thats my question, can busybox mount do -t auto?14:34
cehtehi am not sure14:35
cehteh(but dont reject that, have to try)14:35
cehtehthe fstab entries are invoked by mout14:35
cehtehmount14:35
ruskieit can from what I tried14:36
ruskiebut lemme check14:36
cehtehbut in busybox land everything is crippled and nothing is sure :)14:36
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ruskiecehteh, works fine here14:38
cehtehok14:38
ruskiemount -o ro -t auto /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 mounted it fin14:38
ruskiethe reason for the ro is ext4 with some unsupported feature14:38
cehtehok14:40
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ruskiebut yeah it detected the fs and mounted it14:41
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vi__MohammadAG: hello15:04
vi__MohammadAG: do you still maintain phone control script?15:04
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vi__everyone else:I have a conundrum15:04
vi__a question wrt how dbus works15:05
vi__with a very specific example15:05
vi__you may know about hte headset-control package15:05
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vi__this allows you to stop/start the media player with the headset button15:05
vi__it relies on the headset-button-enabler package15:06
vi__which creates the dbus events form hal detecting button action15:06
vi__if I run dbus --monitor --system I can see the button action15:06
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vi__when I have BOTH headset-control AND headset-button-enabler installed15:07
vi__however if I uninstall headset-control15:07
vi__I no longer see dbus events for the headset button15:08
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vi__one would assume that they would as the headset-button-enabler is present15:08
vi__Does anyone know anything about the headset-enabler?15:09
vi__Do I need to register a listner ala proximityd15:09
vi__?15:09
vi__Is there any documentation for this program?15:09
vi__or did qwerty12 eschew docs?15:09
vi__is anyone even listening to me or am I just pee'ing up the wall solo here?15:10
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trxafaik headset-control only talks to media player15:11
vi__Yes I understand that15:11
vi__headset-control relies upon headset enabler15:12
trxyes15:12
vi__headset-enabler is supposed to create a dbus event for headset control to hear15:12
trxthese are small scripts afaik, you should check the source15:13
trxit will clarify things15:13
trxanyway, what are you trying to do?15:13
vi__I am writing my own set of scripts15:15
vi__to replace all this stuff I have hanging on dbus with just dbus-scritps15:15
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vi__Ok I see, headset-button-enabler simply changes one line in one file:15:21
vi__sed -i s/"^jackbias-off  = jack-bias: off"/"jackbias-off  = jack-bias: on"/ $policy_file15:21
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vi__so what creates the dbus event?15:23
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vi__http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1053300#post105330015:37
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thomichi there15:41
thomicIs there anybody who can help me getting my password-protected backupfiles opened on a linux system? (Background: My N900 was defective and i sent it to Nokia Support - but there are no parts and no replacement devices available - so Nokia is able -by there terms and conditions- to send me instead of a working N900 - another device like an E7 or an N8. I don't want that one and said i want my N900 or an N9 if possible. But it looks bad - and i need my con15:45
mgedminN900's backups are standard .zip files, IIRC15:46
mgedminalso, your question was truncated at "i need my con"15:46
thomicmgedmin: yeah but how are they encrypted?15:46
ruskiethomic, they aren't?15:47
mgedminI've never used an encrypted backup15:47
thomichrm i protected them with a password15:47
thomicthis is an option at the backup programm15:47
mgedminI think zip files have a password-protection feature15:47
ruskiethen it's probably a standard zip password15:47
thomicunzip gets an error message15:48
mgedminso you should be able to open them with any archive manager (e.g. file-roller)?15:48
ruskieyup15:48
thomicit doesn't ask for a password15:48
thomicfile-roller also15:48
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ruskierun: file nabeoffile15:48
mgedminhmm15:48
ruskieerm nameoffile even15:48
ruskieto see what it says15:49
thomicfile comm_and_cal.zip15:49
thomiccomm_and_cal.zip: data15:49
mgedminI could make a backup and see what happens15:49
thomicit says "data"15:49
thomic:)15:49
ruskiehmm15:49
ruskiehmm I think unzip won't ask about it15:50
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thomicthat would be really nice mgedmin unzip says: "End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either not a zipfile or it constitues of multipart... blah"15:50
thomicits no multipart because the unencrypted much older zipfiles work15:50
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thomiclesson learned - do not password protect your backups on n900 ;)15:51
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ruskietry: unzip -P password comm_and_cal.zip15:51
mgedminok, I got a zipped password-protected backup file15:51
thomicruskie: same problem15:51
thomicindeed unzip has to ask for password15:52
thomicif it recognizes a valid ziparchive15:52
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ruskieyeah just read the manpage15:52
ruskiemaybe the file got corrupted or something15:52
mgedmindarn, you're right15:53
thomicruskie: all my backup files from over 1 year (monthly backup) got corrupted? :D - i restored exactly these files with the n900 backup tool15:53
mgedminfile says "data"15:53
thomicafter flashing and so15:53
ruskiehmm15:53
thomicmgedmin: yay really weird15:53
mgedminI'm beginning to think Nokia implemented their own encryption algorithm15:53
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ruskiecan you try editing the backup file?15:53
thomicruskie: how?15:53
jonwilThe backup binary links to libcrypto.so.0.9.815:54
thomicso maybe i'm doomed :)15:54
mgedminwell, worst case -- get a n900 from ebay or somewhere, copy backup files over, restore15:54
ruskiethomic, $EDITOR backupfile15:54
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ruskieor ask someone to do it for you15:54
mgedminruskie, why? that would be a Really Bad Idea15:54
thomicruskie: i think mgedmin is right :D15:55
* mgedmin is trying to google something about n900 backup encryption15:55
thomicit's binary15:55
thomicmgedmin: i've done that15:55
thomichours and hours15:55
thomicone irc-log with no output15:55
ruskiemgedmin, it might be some shell thingy or something15:55
thomicmaybe anybody who had that problem is that rich to buy a new n900 ;)15:55
thomicruskie: i can open it with hexedit and get nice encrypted data15:56
mgedminI suppose the backup/restore app is closed source?15:56
thomicis it?15:57
jonwilyes it is15:57
* ruskie tries to generate a pw protected backup15:57
jonwilyep, osso-backup is closed source15:57
thomicit's named osso-backup15:57
thomicyay thanks jonwil15:57
jonwilits closed source so that doesnt help you15:58
thomici know ... just thanks for the info - i think i'll get a ticket at nokia support for patching this crappy "nokia suite" or so to read these files :)15:58
jonwilif it helps, its using AES encryption16:00
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thomicok jonwil openssl enc -d -aes* wont do it :(16:04
jonwilshouldn't be rocket science to figure out how to decrypt the files (given that we have implementations of AES and SHA1 that exist)16:08
jonwilthat's if I can get a working example16:08
ruskiegenerate your own backup file?16:08
mgedmingenerate three16:08
mgedmintwo in plaintext to see what changes (embedded timestamps?)16:09
mgedminthird one encrypted16:09
mgedminthen do cryptanalysis!16:09
jonwilno, reverse engineering can make it happen16:09
ruskiehehe16:09
jonwilsince the crypto functions are documented16:09
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thomicoh yeah :)16:11
mgedminI see amazon still sells n900s16:11
thomichappy holiday :)16:11
mgedminmaybe I should buy a backup copy, in case mine breaks?16:11
mgedminbut I've been saving up for a n9...16:11
jonwilAES and SHA1 are fairly simple to understand16:11
thomicyeah and i had them in my university courses ... won't be a technical - but time problem :)16:12
jonwilnope, wont be hard since we have the password16:12
jonwiland we can figure out via reverse engineering how the password works16:12
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Venemomgedmin, N950 isn't enough?16:13
mgedminno fbreader, no vim16:13
mgedminno pwsafe16:13
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VenemoYET16:13
mgedminno web browser that can open https sites with self-signed certificates16:13
mgedminyes, the "YET" is what consoles me16:13
mgedminotoh I don't own a n950; it's on loan to me and I'm supposed to return it if someone at nokia decides I've had it long enough16:14
Venemowe're supposed to get a sw update (at latest, at N9 launch) which will cure every problem16:14
Venemoyeah16:14
Venemoa loan it is :(16:14
Venemomaybe it's their way of forcing me to buy an N9? I'm not sure I could just return to the N900 after this.16:15
mgedmin*nod*16:15
mgedminI hope it will be possible to copy/paste from an xterm with the final software version16:15
mgedminor from the web browser for that matter16:15
Venemo:D16:17
Venemoor at least we shall have a useable MeeGo CE16:17
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edheldilVenemo:  is n950 that better? :(16:19
Venemoedheldil, well, not THAT better, but the user experience is a very nice and fresh concept indeed16:20
Venemoand the phone experience is a lot better.16:21
Venemoanyway, I prefer not to boast with it16:21
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edheldilwhat is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work16:24
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jonwilhmmm, its not as simple to figure out the backups as I thought16:28
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jonwilif I could get GDB to stay up long enough to hit gsf_input_crypt_new that would help16:43
jonwilbut the backup app closes everything16:43
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jonwilanyone here know anything about gsf_input?16:45
crashanddie_crap16:46
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jonwilcrap what?16:46
crashanddie_our main datacentre just disappeared from the interwebs16:46
jonwilugh, thats gotta hurt16:46
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jonwilAny ideas why? :)16:46
crashanddie_None whatsoever.16:46
jonwiltalked to whoever is closest physically to the datacenter?16:46
crashanddie_Yeah, they're going there16:47
jonwil:)16:47
crashanddie_We called the datacentre operator16:47
kerioCENTER16:47
kerio:<16:47
crashanddie_no, centre.16:47
keriok16:47
nid0which dc?16:48
crashanddie_Oh wait.16:49
crashanddie_Our DC is fine.16:49
crashanddie_It's the pipe.16:49
crashanddie_Colt fucked up.16:49
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ruskiejonwil, so no luck? tried strace mayeb?16:51
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jonwilI am getting closer16:52
jonwiljust need to play with some things16:52
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jonwilok, the interesting bit is done via a datatype called gsf_input_crypt17:04
rm_workjonwil: did you finish reversing the display brightness lib?17:06
jonwilnope17:06
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jonwilsorry17:06
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jonwilMCE is just too complex to reverse engineer17:10
prontoMCE?17:11
rm_workjonwil: :(17:11
jonwilmode control entity17:11
jonwilooh good, libosso-gsf is open source :)17:11
rm_workjonwil: well, if you do give it another shot (just the brightness control bits) I'd buy you a beer :P17:12
jonwildont drink alcohol :P17:12
rm_workI'd buy you lunch? :P17:12
rm_work<jonwil> don't drink lunch17:12
jonwilthe brightness stuff on Fremantle is just too complex17:14
jonwiland too different from all the other versions of MCE we DO have code for17:14
rm_work:(17:14
rm_workI need it on Harmattan anyway, lol17:14
jonwilEven the fairly simple-looking vibration plugin was too hard for me to get17:14
jonwilIf you need it on Harmattan, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce/17:15
jonwilhttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce-dev/17:15
jonwilThats the MCE source for Harmattan17:15
jonwilpresumably the N95017:15
jonwilits only Fremantle thats closed source17:15
jonwildoes that help?17:18
rm_workwell17:20
rm_workMCE itself is open i think17:20
rm_workbut the display-brightness plugin is not?17:20
rm_workI think17:20
* rm_work checks17:20
jonwilon Harmattan it should be open17:20
jonwilyep, it is open on harmattan17:21
jonwildisplay.c17:21
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rm_workwait where17:21
jonwilin the source I linked to17:22
jonwilits there17:22
rm_workwahg17:22
rm_workSWEET17:23
rm_worksweet jesus on a popsicle17:23
jonwilIs that the code you need?17:23
rm_workyes17:23
rm_worki was just looking at the dev headers17:23
jonwilGlad I could help17:23
rm_workand not seeing it17:23
rm_workdidn't actually even bother checking the actual source17:24
rm_workT_T17:24
rm_workthey've really surprised me this time17:24
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jonwilI think MCE is one of the few things that is more open in Harmattan than it was in Fremantle17:25
jonwilit was actually made open source for MeeGo17:25
rm_workyeah, i am amazed17:25
jonwilAccording to the guy who did most of MCE, the reason it was closed for so long was a nebulous "there might be valuable IP in there"17:27
jonwilThen for MeeGo they actually took a hard look and decided that it could be open sourced instead of released as a blob17:27
rm_workyeah...17:27
rm_workvaluable IP alright... "change brightness setting"17:27
jonwilthere is a lot more involved, e.g. MCE does a lot that relates to power usage17:30
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jonwilgreat that you found the code you need now :)17:48
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admiral0jonwil==khong?17:49
admiral0s/ong/uong/17:49
infobotadmiral0 meant: jonwil==khuong?17:49
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jonwilnope, never heard of khuong17:50
admiral0:\17:50
cehteh                 foo17:51
cehtehs/ /                                /17:51
infobotcehteh meant:                                                 foo17:51
cehteh:P17:51
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vi__~dict seymor butts17:52
infobotcould not find definition for seymor butts17:52
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admiral0lol17:53
admiral0here he is :)17:53
khuonghi17:53
admiral0hi khuong17:53
khuonghello admiral017:53
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thopiekarhi18:03
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thopiekarwho wanted sslstrip in maemo5?18:05
x29aid want a current chrome and python ;)18:05
mgedminout of curiosity, for you current python is 2.7 or 3.2?18:06
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x29a> 2.518:07
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x29a2.7 and 3.x are pretty close concerning features, as far as i see18:07
x29aor, as far as it concerns me18:07
mgedminthe n950 came with python 2.7 preinstalled18:09
mgedminno! 2.6 :(18:09
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sevardholy shit there's an n950 now18:10
mgedminI just remembered being happy it wasn't 2.5 :)18:10
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x29amgedmin: i know, the bug filed against the python port to update it to >2.5 for fremantle is a "wontfix"18:10
mgedminI'm not surprised18:10
sevardi feel so ancient with my n81018:11
sevardwho wants to buy it18:11
* mgedmin still has his 770 in a drawer somewhere18:11
mgedminactually I dropped it on my cats' water bowl by accident18:11
x29ado i win with owning a 3210?18:11
fluxI have n810 on my table waiting for some fun use. not figured out yet what that would be.18:11
x29a;)18:11
mgedminchipped the bowl :(18:11
mgedminthe 770 is fine :)18:11
sevardflux: have you found a batter xterm for it?18:11
fluxperhaps it could serve as a terminal for filling up the shopping list or something, attached to the fridge with a magnet18:11
x29aflux: some house management terminal?18:11
sevarddude the n810 is too heavy to attach to the fridge18:12
x29alol18:12
fluxsevard, I've extracted magnets from old hard drives ;)18:12
fluxalso 50 smaller magnets from dx are coming in the mail..18:12
sevardand you want to put a huge magnet on your fancy handheld pc18:12
fluxdoes n810 have something that's sensitive to magnets?18:13
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sevardyour mom18:14
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sevardthe n810 has an ambiant light sensor??18:16
ShadowJKyes18:16
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sevardI should write an alarm clock for it that slowly wakes you up18:16
admiral0khuong ping18:16
sevardit would wake you up slower depending on how dark it is18:16
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sevardadmiral0: awww18:18
admiral0....18:19
sevardyour friend died18:19
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sevardwtf18:19
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edheldilwhat is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work18:21
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sevardwhat's the deal with the community ssu for the n810?18:34
sevardthe os 2008's application updater already issues updates for garage apps.. i get updates for dialcentral all the time18:35
sevardis there an advantage I'm not seeing?18:35
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rm_worksevard: I think the idea is the SSU does SYSTEM applications, like the kernel and such18:43
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rm_worksevard: whereas the updater is right now only telling you about app updates18:43
sevardhm18:43
sevardso this would be important if one upgraded to diablo turbo18:44
rm_workerm18:44
rm_worknot sure what that is exactly... possibly? :P18:44
sevardapparently it's a new kernel with patches to increase performance and overclock from 333 to 400mhz18:44
rm_workhow much do you know about how DPKG works?18:44
rm_workand apt18:44
sevardi know a fair deal18:45
rm_workok so18:45
rm_workright now there is a meta-package that is "all system packages for this OS"18:45
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rm_workand it specifies absolute version numbers for kernel, xorg, etc18:45
rm_workwhen you install the SSU, they have a newer version of that meta-package18:45
rm_workso it tells your system there is a new set of packages for those (from the SSU) and allows you to get their custom kernel/xorg/etc updates18:46
rm_workfor the low level system packages18:46
rm_worksomeone correct me if i'm wrong18:46
sevardneat18:46
sevardit looks like there have been some pretty good advancements for os200818:47
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rm_worki haven't been following it :( my n800 was fairly broken by the time i got my n900 (random reboots, hardware related) so i basically dropped development on it18:48
sevardaww18:48
rm_worki did love that thing tho :)18:48
rm_workone of the best devices i've ever owned18:49
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rm_worksecond only to n900 and possibly now n950 (haven't decided yet on the n950, only had it for like two hours)18:49
sevardi didn't even know an n950 came out lol18:49
sevarddid they finally add usb host mode :)18:49
rm_workhey lcuk where is that maemo advert site we did?18:51
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rm_worklcuk: nm found it18:52
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thopiekarsslstrip is now here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7503419:31
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DocScrutinizerok, 2h walk with xchat, with marble and mappero and screen always on, pretty much eats exactly one battery19:42
DocScrutinizerwhile mappero was kinda nice and easy, marble gave me quite some headache usability and performance-wise19:43
javispedro3g? no wonder19:46
javispedrouse gprs, and you might even make the day19:46
javispedrowell no way19:46
javispedrobut half-day maybe19:46
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: yup19:54
DocScrutinizerwill repeat that test another time, without any online data connection19:55
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thopiekarwho of you is using the facebook chat in conversations?19:56
SpeedEvilNot me.19:56
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keriothopiekar: use jabber20:07
keriothe server is chat.facebook.com20:07
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thopiekarkerio: set as address [username]@chat.facebook.com and my password but as the predefined facebookchat profile it also doesn't work20:09
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Venemothopiekar, I use the build-in facebook chat; works20:15
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/18/htc_apple_patent_ruling/20:16
khuongadmiral0, you there?20:16
thopiekarVenemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user..20:16
admiral0yep20:17
Venemothopiekar, weird20:18
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/review_tablets_hp_touchpad/20:24
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RST38hWell. Moo.20:46
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DocScrutinizeroooh GREAT - hildon craps itself - black backlit screen with only the 4 time-digits from statusbar visible21:41
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lcukso, ermm I installed titans kernel for a bit of OC fun on one of my maemo devices21:49
lcukany idea how to allow it to actually do some ocing21:49
lcukthe device seems slower than it was before21:50
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GeneralAntillesMore BS patents.21:53
GeneralAntillesOut of hand.21:53
GeneralAntilleshttp://gettys.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/apple-patents-portrait-landscape-flipping-the-patent-system-is-broken/21:53
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ruskieohh fun22:00
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DocScrutinizerpublic enemy iirc was the band that had a song "sample my sausage" - here we shall rename the song to "patent my brainfart"22:17
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Creteil!seen thopiekar22:35
Sicelo>> ~seen22:36
Creteil~seen thopiekar22:36
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infobotthopiekar <~quassel@p4FCD74A5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'Venemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user..'.22:36
CreteilMaybe he cleaned too much :-)22:37
Venemo:D22:37
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: almost uploaded \o/22:42
VenemoDocScrutinizer, the video?22:43
DocScrutinizerVenemo: from the *cough* very informative *couhg* sharing-status progress bar I think it's at ~80%22:43
DocScrutinizeryep22:43
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DocScrutinizerbut I also found the whole upload going to dev/null on ovi after finally uploading a small video snippet22:45
DocScrutinizerfrom right end of blue progress bar to the 5 of "50,9 MB" is maybe just 10% of the length of blue bar now ;-)22:47
cehtehsomeone at nokia has the uber secret CLUAO job .. Chief Linux User Annoying Officer :)22:47
cehtehor do you think thats elop personally?22:47
DocScrutinizerI *know* why this job is secret :-P22:47
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DocScrutinizer~CLUAO is Chief Linux User Annoying Officer, a position inside Nokia that's kept secret to protect personal22:49
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay22:49
Venemo:D22:49
DocScrutinizer\o/ done22:50
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cehteh:P22:51
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DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.1017522:55
DocScrutinizeranybody betting on what's causing this?22:55
DocScrutinizer(sorry for the bairwitch camera ;-P)22:56
DocScrutinizerblairwitch project even22:56
VenemoDocScrutinizer, humm...22:57
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, I should have created a video for you when I accidentally dropped the N900 on concrete22:57
DocScrutinizeryeah, in slomo :-D22:58
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, nope, I mean what the software did after that22:59
DocScrutinizerthough taking a video somewhat defeats the "accidentally"22:59
VenemoDocScrutinizer, it displayed rectangles in place of characters and pink rectangles in the place of image elements... varying between reboots and uptimes23:00
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DocScrutinizerhey, almost as nice as my previous N900-goes-psychedelic-art video then?23:01
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hi! :-D23:01
trumeewhere can i get the key? "W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF"23:01
DocScrutinizerhah23:02
trumeeDocScrutinizer: is that with the 64bit flash plugin?23:02
javispedroji23:02
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, a lot nicer, in a sense23:02
cehtehDocScrutinizer: that are not video encoding artifacts?23:02
DocScrutinizernope, was errr I forgot what caused it. I guess I even never knew what caused it, just like this time23:03
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: another N900-goes-mad video: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.1017523:03
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i am getting a similar in konqueror with flash 64bit. firefox seem to be using the latest flash fine23:03
VenemoDocScrutinizer, something must have gone wrong with the controller of the NAND flash... as it *sometimes* failed to retrieve some data, and *sometimes* *some* apps segfaulted randomly.23:03
cehtehDocScrutinizer: how much swap in use?23:03
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cehtehyes looks to me like some swapping related problem23:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I now think that the SGX driver they chose for the n900 is _shit_23:03
DocScrutinizertrumee: sorry you lost me23:04
trumeeDocScrutinizer: crap. my bad23:04
javispedrocause the n950 is proven to be much better and I don't think +100Mhz can explain that23:04
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DocScrutinizercehteh: actually it might be swap related, though I quit mappero and esp marble some 60 min before23:04
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i thought you were talking about flash killing konqueror whereas my konqueror was crashing!23:04
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Venemojavispedro, the SGX driver in MeeGo CE already beats the SGX driver in Maemo, by far.23:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: yes but the damaged pages are still swapped out (or maybe they are not even damaged but cant be swapped in in time)23:05
Venemojavispedro, I mean, that in Maemo523:05
cehtehgives some timing issues and borked graphics by that23:05
DocScrutinizercehteh: device was next to unresponsive for intermittent timespans when I ran marble and mappero for 2h23:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: create a temp swap file (256-512MB) enable that23:06
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cehtehthen turn main swap off (will take ages and freeze your device)23:06
cehtehand the reverse .. reneable main swap disable temp swap23:07
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DocScrutinizercehteh: I can't reproduce that - at least I haven't tried (and will not try today, as this was combined with a 2h walk :-D)23:07
cehtehthat would should if swapping (timing) was the problem .. but not if erroneous data read/written to swap23:07
cehtehwell mappero for me became unreliable after some time too23:07
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cehtehi rarely use it anymore .. almost completely using monav for maps23:08
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cehtehand sometimes modrana, not as mature yet but looks promising23:08
thopiekarCreteil: ping23:08
Creteilhi thopiekar23:08
Creteil:-)23:08
thopiekarhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7503423:09
DocScrutinizercehteh: to me it seemed like marble was acting nasty, while mappero was mostly ok during that test. marble even segfaulted or dunno what23:09
Creteilthopiekar, but this is not a debian package ?23:10
thopiekarit is in the tar.gz23:10
DocScrutinizerI much sympathise with javispedro 's explanation of SGX going mad another time23:11
Creteillet me see ..23:11
cehtehmarble is pure software rendering without GL23:11
DocScrutinizerwell, in this video there is no marble anywhere23:11
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cehtehmaybe too .. well X memory isnt locked into ram its swappable and if not swapped back in time then you get horrible artifacts23:13
cehtehand apps can cause memory leaks in X23:13
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cehtehprolly all things together cause it, crappy driver which cant handle timeouts well23:14
DocScrutinizerbut how would thse artifacts blank my screen after random periods, only leaving the most recently rendered items?23:14
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cehtehswapping some buffers and hit the wall?23:15
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DocScrutinizerand the device was working normally for ~1h prior to that effect appearing, and after I quit marble and mappero and hooked it up to charge the almost empty battery23:15
cehtehwell this all is guesswork, i dont say my explanation is for sure23:15
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thopiekarafter removing some apps in facebook.. at least the "Nokia N900" app and ZapLoc now chat is working again!23:20
DocScrutinizereeew apps in facebook - I'm sure I don't want to learn what that means23:22
nox-worms23:22
nox-it means23:22
nox-:P23:22
DocScrutinizerthere was such a thing like apps on google wave(?) once23:23
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DocScrutinizerwas quite some fun to watch the whole thing turn and fire back eventually23:24
Creteilthopiekar, well, I need to go bed right know, but I gona check your package ...23:25
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joppuVenemo: see forum thread23:53
Venemojoppu, thanks!23:53
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Venemojoppu, woohoo, it's sexy! :)23:54
Venemojoppu, thank you very much; could you please send me that as a transparent png?23:55
vdvi edit file /var/lib/gconf/apps/ecoach/%gconf.xml, but it gets overwriten on next ecoach run23:55
vdvis that app specific behavior?23:55
vdvor maybe "gconf things just work so on maemo" thing?23:56
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