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| scoobertron | benno2: if you save the file with an appropriate extension, what happens when you try to open it in the file manager - if it opens in the browser you could maybe bookmark it from there. | 00:03 |
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| scoobertron | benno2: sorry, I misunderstood your question, I don't think that helps | 00:04 |
| benno2 | scoobertron, no problem. anyway thanks for your tips | 00:04 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 00:27 |
| thopiekar | facebook-chat isn't working for me at the moment.. the settimgs ui says that the login fails. have you noticed the same? | 00:28 |
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| Creteil | Hi all | 00:29 |
| thopiekar | hi | 00:29 |
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| Creteil | Why when I try to build a package under scratchbox, the resulting package use python 2.3.4 in place of python 2.5.4 ? | 00:31 |
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| Creteil | Also, the path of the stuff in this package point to : ./scratchbox/tools/.../... | 00:33 |
| Creteil | anyone know how to fix this ? | 00:33 |
| thopiekar | use python2.5 executable and not the python executable | 00:35 |
| thopiekar | scratchbox overwrites some binaries | 00:35 |
| Creteil | I actually use this : PYTHON=python2.5 PATH=/usr/bin/dh7:$PATH dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d | 00:36 |
| thopiekar | had that problem some years before, too when starting with sb | 00:36 |
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| Creteil | even with 'PYTHON=python2.5' the resulting package end using python 2.3 | 00:36 |
| Creteil | that just sux | 00:36 |
| Creteil | :-( | 00:36 |
| thopiekar | not sure about that but you should modify your debian/rules | 00:37 |
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| Creteil | and what I need to put in the debian/rules file ? | 00:37 |
| thopiekar | show me first of all the content of it ;) | 00:37 |
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| Creteil | Here it is : | 00:39 |
| Creteil | #!/usr/bin/make -f | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # -*- makefile -*- | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # This file was originally written by Joey Hess and Craig Small. | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # As a special exception, when this file is copied by dh-make into a | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # dh-make output file, you may use that output file without restriction. | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # This special exception was added by Craig Small in version 0.37 of dh-make. | 00:39 |
| Creteil | # Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode. | 00:39 |
| Creteil | #export DH_VERBOSE=1 | 00:39 |
| Creteil | %: | 00:39 |
| Creteil | dh $@ | 00:39 |
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| Creteil | look like a default minimal debian/rules | 00:39 |
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| thopiekar | please use a pastebin the next time :) | 00:39 |
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| thopiekar | well | 00:39 |
| Creteil | ok, sorry | 00:40 |
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| thopiekar | this rules file seems to be made via debhelper 7.. I would repackage it with debhelper 5 which is shipped with the SDK | 00:41 |
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| Creteil | ok, How I can do this ? | 00:41 |
| thopiekar | that means you'll need to remove the debian folder and run in the source folder 'dh_make --createorig' | 00:42 |
| thopiekar | and then google for: 'debian packaging python module' | 00:42 |
| Creteil | ok, let me chack now ... | 00:42 |
| Creteil | I have just removed debhelper 7 with -> 'apt-get remove --purge debhelper7' | 00:43 |
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| Creteil | mv debian .. | 00:43 |
| thopiekar | k and install debhelper after that | 00:43 |
| thopiekar | k | 00:43 |
| Creteil | ii debhelper 5.0.42-0osso1 helper programs for debian/rules | 00:44 |
| Creteil | done | 00:44 |
| Creteil | Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs? | 00:44 |
| Creteil | [s/m/l/k/b] | 00:44 |
| thopiekar | s | 00:45 |
| Creteil | K | 00:45 |
| thopiekar | a single binary will be fine for the beginning ;) | 00:45 |
| Creteil | ok :-) | 00:45 |
| Creteil | Now I'm here : | 00:46 |
| Creteil | Skipping creating ../sslstrip_0.9.orig.tar.gz because it already exists | 00:46 |
| Creteil | Currently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning. | 00:46 |
| Creteil | Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also | 00:46 |
| Creteil | check that the sslstrip Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / . | 00:46 |
| Creteil | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sslstrip/sslstrip-0.9] > | 00:46 |
| thopiekar | just need to leave in the next minutes because I'll need some sleep till tomorrow.. have to wake up in 6hours to get to work.. | 00:46 |
| thopiekar | what is sslstrip? | 00:46 |
| Creteil | This tool provides a demonstration of the HTTPS stripping attacks that I presented at Black Hat DC 2009. It will transparently hijack HTTP traffic on a network, watch for HTTPS links and redirects, then map those links into either look-alike HTTP links or homograph-similar HTTPS links. It also supports modes for supplying a favicon which looks like a lock icon, selective logging, and session... | 00:47 |
| Creteil | ...denial. | 00:47 |
| Creteil | http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslstrip/ | 00:48 |
| thopiekar | I'll take a look at it tomorrow ok? is it available on ubuntu repos? | 00:48 |
| Creteil | No, it's not, I pull the original source package from a ppa ... wait one I gice you the URL of this ppa ... | 00:48 |
| Creteil | https://launchpad.net/~cashmoney/+archive/security | 00:49 |
| thopiekar | I really need some sleep now :D it's 23:50 here.. ok I ll wait ;) | 00:49 |
| Creteil | no problems, have a good night, but I come back at you and you teach me about packaging ... ;-) | 00:50 |
| Creteil | what is your time ? | 00:50 |
| Creteil | look like you are at same time :-) | 00:51 |
| thopiekar | +2 is my timezone afaik | 00:51 |
| Creteil | CTCP time reply “Sun Jul 17 23:51:44” from thopiekar | 00:51 |
| Creteil | [Sunday 17 July 2011 - 23:51:10]<Creteil>look like you are at same time :-) | 00:51 |
| Creteil | oops | 00:51 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 00:51 |
| Creteil | :-) | 00:51 |
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| Creteil | well have a good sleep, you come back here at what time ? | 00:52 |
| thopiekar | you'll find my email address at talk.maemo | 00:52 |
| Creteil | ok | 00:52 |
| thopiekar | hmm think tomorrow at 17 o'clock | 00:52 |
| Creteil | ok | 00:53 |
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| Creteil | anyhow I come back here to see if I can reach you ... | 00:53 |
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| Creteil | have a good dreams :-) | 00:53 |
| thopiekar | thanks see you soon ;) | 00:53 |
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| trumee | crap, i am screwed. i installed multiboot and forgot to enter an item for maemo. I only have an entry for nitdroid on it :( | 00:54 |
| Creteil | I'm trying my best on my side for sslstrip during your night ... | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | trumee: flash it | 00:54 |
| trumee | Can i edit multiboot.d in nitdroid ? | 00:54 |
| Creteil | trumee, fault :-( | 00:54 |
| trumee | jacekowski: ok, will flash it with default kernel | 00:56 |
| trumee | uggghhh, i dont have a usb cable around. | 00:57 |
| trumee | is it not possible to mount / in android and edit /etc/multiboot.d ? | 00:57 |
| * trumee yay, found a usb cable | 01:03 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin modest is set to check-period:30min, still it took 23h+ for this mail to download from my private imap server | 01:03 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: i flashed the kernel (flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R) but it still is booting into multiboot :( | 01:11 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: any idea? | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: multiboot is a really screwed thing reflashing kernel during execution of initscripts | 01:16 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: guess, i dont have any option other flash rootfs :( | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: flashing kernel will at best do nothing, at worst cause bootloop (kernel module missbmach) | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: according to /topic | 01:17 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: right, flashing rootfs. | 01:19 |
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| * trumee hates himself for self imposed stupidity | 01:19 | |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: so my /home/user is lost now? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /home/user is unaffected by flashing COMBINED | 01:22 |
| fusi | http://www.sekaita.com/blog/n900-backgrounds | 01:22 |
| fusi | \o/ | 01:22 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: thank God for that | 01:23 |
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| * SpeedEvil realises he'd really like a mbarcode-plugin that pretended to be a BT plugin. | 01:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | So it typed the barcode. | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | BT keyboard | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: aside from insertion/injection of chars to stdin if the currently focused process, the patch to mbarcodereader should be trivial | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tbh I dunno how to accomplish the inject part at all | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | possibly sending aome apecial X11messages can do that | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Some Special | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't know of a more generic way | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | except patching kbd driver | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I'm missing this inject-chars-to-stdin frequently | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean so that the n900 acts like a BT keyboard, for a 'PC', and types barcodes it sees. | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, this was inject-to-stdin for bluemaemo then, no? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jp: B52's - simply the best | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH! registering with WLAN AP makes mediaplayer stutter | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least when playing MP3 to BT | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, WLAN... BT... hmm | 03:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders | 03:16 | |
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| fusi | DocScrutinizer: i have no probs with wifi/bt interefernce.. | 03:55 |
| fusi | theyre on separate ariels on n900 <3 | 03:56 |
| fusi | my pile of crap htc touch pro had them both on same ariel | 03:56 |
| fusi | result: no wifi and bt at the same time | 03:56 |
| fusi | rubbish | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair., that's pretty much irrelevant. | 03:56 |
| fusi | rly? | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | In that you're going to utterly wipe out the other anyway | 03:57 |
| fusi | i can do both ere no probs | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The key is in the BT/wifi coexistance features on the chipset. | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusi: what's ariels? | 03:58 |
| fusi | oooh | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | chipsets | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | antennae? then nope | 03:58 |
| fusi | DocScrutinizer: hehe | 03:58 |
| fusi | ^thats how i intepreted it | 03:59 |
| fusi | didddnt know about coexistance thingies | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed it seems coexistence doesn't work for registering | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | WLAN registering | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | had no real issues after it registered, even when downloading updates for apt-get | 04:00 |
| fusi | mm | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it was slow as melasses, dunno if due to server or due to coexistence | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusi: on N900 bt and wifi use same antenna | 04:01 |
| fusi | ru sure? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually BT RF flows through the WLAN chip to the antenna | 04:02 |
| fusi | guess i interpreted those circuit diagrams wrong | 04:02 |
| fusi | all about the coexistance stuff then | 04:02 |
| fusi | glad the n900 has it :) | 04:03 |
| fusi | my touch pro was a pita in this respect | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusi: obviously you interpreted this schematics wrong, look at T6000 BT RF BALUN | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | p.9 | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | enters N6300 WLAN module at BT_RF(B!) | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pin B1 even | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | antenna is on pin E1 | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fusi: coexistence is implemented via BT_WLAN(3:0) bus, which magically eliminates one signal from WLAN to BT, 4 start, 3 arrive | 04:08 |
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| fusi | kk thx DocScrutinizer | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got *any* questions about the hardware, just ask. You'll probably not find better replies | 04:10 |
| fusi | i think youre right :p | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 04:12 |
| infobot | methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 04:12 |
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| fusi | mmmm my rice pudding is ready | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll call it a day | 04:12 |
| fusi | heh i thought u were calling a dtor | 04:12 |
| fusi | aah | 04:12 |
| fusi | :p | 04:12 |
| fusi | ive heard of openmoko | 04:13 |
| fusi | :) | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've been the one to *fix* all the hw bugs X-P | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least I tried, several fixes never made it to MP though | 04:15 |
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| fusi | respect | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | enough of "who's got the longest (history of EE)" ;-D | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 04:16 |
| fusi | tara o/ | 04:16 |
| fusi | hehe | 04:16 |
| fusi | im just a newb coder | 04:17 |
| * SpeedEvil realised with some depression that the (legal) girl he was looking at is younger than an operating computer he has. | 04:18 | |
| fusi | i work for 'the man' | 04:18 |
| fusi | lol SpeedEvil | 04:18 |
| nox- | haha SpeedEvil | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | OTOH - girls need more maintainance than changing their AA batteries. | 04:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, they run on AA now? | 04:21 |
| fusi | badoom *tsshhh* | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | An AA cell provides the recommeded energy to run a girl for 2 minutes. | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (~60W, the average man is around 100W) | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that might explain the limited attention time span | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aren't the younger ones faster, smarter, and less power sucking? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless it's all just about visual effects ;-) | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | A common mistake is to feed them one AA cell at a time, failing to realize the difference between energy and power. Lack of sufficient power may cause instability and erratic behaviour ;P | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds about right, speaking empiric | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | looking at pubs OTOH seems to suggest most men run on fuel cells, and somebody finally should fix that mysterious bug in there. The more fuel, the more erratic the behaviour | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AT&T is advertising their network as "open and collaborative". | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | What does that mean, exactly. . . . | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It means you can call between phones on that network at reduced rates. | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | open == everybody can eavesdrop. collaborative == federals can get support if they still don't get it despite pint 1 | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | point 1* | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | AT&T, hooking the Feds into your national trunk line all day, every day. | 04:51 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:55 |
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| SpacedOut | Either that or they are worried about the merger going through and want to make sure they don't sound like a monopoly. I just hate that when they suck up T-Mobile I'll loose 3G and most likely the unsubsidized rates I'm paying since I actually bought the cell phone myself. | 05:20 |
| lofty306 | i'll loose the 3.5 prob | 05:21 |
| lofty306 | be stuck with all the ithings fighting for bandwidth | 05:22 |
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| fusi | freaking love my n900 | 05:56 |
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| pauly | hello all | 06:17 |
| pauly | hey timeless: | 06:17 |
| jonwil | hi | 06:17 |
| timeless | hi | 06:17 |
| pauly | still have the n8 | 06:17 |
| timeless | yeah | 06:18 |
| * timeless needs to pack | 06:18 | |
| pauly | timeless: i sold the n900 on ebay for $189 | 06:18 |
| pauly | anyone want to sell their n8? | 06:19 |
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| lofty306 | lol | 06:28 |
| pauly | speedevil: didnt you have an n8? | 06:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When will this stupid game end? | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? | 08:39 |
| Jaffa | pong | 08:46 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You're still up?! | 08:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bottom of the 16th inning in the Rays/Red Sox game. | 08:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Started 5:41 ago. | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still no response from etherpad. | 08:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, Rays lost. | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Going to bed. | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, will be up early-ish to wait for DHL. So I can work on the issue whenever etherpad comes back. | 08:55 |
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| Termana | robbiethe1st, ping | 09:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | ? | 09:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Termana: Pong? | 09:06 |
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| Termana | robbiethe1st, does BackupMenu use multiboot or uboot? | 09:06 |
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| robbiethe1st | Niether, by default. It uses bootmenu, which basically hijacks the normal Maemo boot process. | 09:06 |
| robbiethe1st | But you can modify it to use just about anything you want, so long as it's running the Maemo kernel and has the rootfs accessible... | 09:07 |
| Termana | right I meant bootmenu by multiboot. I thought multiboot was just the old name for bootmenu | 09:08 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't think so; Multiboot will run other kernels(and is actually potentially dangerous in that it flashes new kernels depending on your boot choice); bootmenu just hijacks the Maemo boot process | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Check /bootmenu.sh for more info | 09:09 |
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| robbiethe1st | Also, uBoot and bootmenu will work together, but to run multiboot with Backupmenu you need a custom multiboot menu item file. | 09:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | Nice! 470 installs of BM 1.1 since it was released two days ago | 09:14 |
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| jonwil | I have pretty much given up hope of finding anyone who can figure out how to call libconnui :( (or of seeing information from Nokia about it) | 09:15 |
| jonwil | Looks like Cell Broadcast SMS wont happen after all | 09:15 |
| jonwil | :( | 09:15 |
| Termana | jonwil, do you think that you might be putting in too much effort for too little gain? | 09:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Never! | 09:16 |
| robbiethe1st | It's those little things that make Maemo great | 09:16 |
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| jonwil | If I can figure out how to call those damn connui functions, implementing the rest of my plan should be fairly simple | 09:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Can't you, like, decompile the connui library or something? Isn't there some tool that can tell you all functions etc? | 09:18 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 09:22 |
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| jonwil | I cant decompile it | 09:46 |
| jonwil | I can disassemble it | 09:46 |
| jonwil | but my knowledge of the ARM ABI is not good enough to figure out just whats going on | 09:46 |
| jonwil | or just what the prototype of these functions actually is | 09:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't there some sort of analyser out there? | 09:46 |
| robbiethe1st | seems like there should be... | 09:46 |
| jonwil | nope | 09:46 |
| jonwil | not for ARM | 09:46 |
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| jonwil | for x86 I have a decompiler | 09:47 |
| jonwil | but there are no x86 binaries of these libs | 09:47 |
| robbiethe1st | darn | 09:47 |
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| jonwil | so unless a miracle occurs and Nokia can be convinced to release the headers for these libs or unless someone with ARM reverse engineering/ASM skills shows up who can help me reverse engineer this stuff, its not happening | 09:50 |
| jonwil | :( | 09:50 |
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| jonwil | At this point, I think it would take a miracle to get Nokia to even acknowledge the existence of Fremantle, let alone provide any kind of information on it | 09:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, sadly. | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Yet it's *still* the best thing ever. | 09:59 |
| jonwil | I have no doubt that there are things YOU wish nokia would release or open source too... | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Definitely | 10:00 |
| jonwil | like what? :) | 10:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Still, Fremantle > Harmattan | 10:00 |
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| robbiethe1st | Actually, I think OSS graphics drivers would be my first choice; then modem interfacing... | 10:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Just thinking in terms of what's needed to, say, make Debian or Kubuntu Mobile just as good/fast as Fremantle | 10:01 |
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| jonwil | modem interfacing is available if you use ofono | 10:02 |
| jonwil | :) | 10:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Ooh, nice | 10:02 |
| ruskie | is ofono actually usable yet on the n900? | 10:02 |
| jonwil | yes it is | 10:02 |
| jonwil | MeeGo-on-N900 is using it no problems | 10:02 |
| ruskie | was hoping for m5 CE thingy having it | 10:03 |
| ruskie | basically replace as much as possible of the proprietary things | 10:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea | 10:03 |
| ruskie | without affecting the UX though | 10:03 |
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| jonwil | If we had documentation of all the dbus interfaces to the cellular services daemon and its plugins, replacing it with ofono shouldn't be rocket science | 10:05 |
| jonwil | But we dont | 10:05 |
| jonwil | so we cant replace it | 10:05 |
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| vdv | how can i reset data counter to zero? | 10:17 |
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| ruskie | vdv, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 10:21 |
| ruskie | has a ton of info on how to do things | 10:22 |
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| vdv | ruskie, thanks | 10:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | sup #maemo. | 10:29 |
| dm8tbr | not mucken futch | 10:30 |
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| * jonwil is lamenting his inabillity to understand ARM asm | 10:34 | |
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| vdv | isn't it possible to play mp3's from microsd if it's filesystem is not vfat? | 10:44 |
| ruskie | should be | 10:44 |
| ruskie | don't see why not | 10:44 |
| vdv | with default media player? | 10:44 |
| ruskie | again don't see why not | 10:44 |
| vdv | think it doesn't scan device | 10:44 |
| ruskie | the only thing is it needs to get indexed | 10:44 |
| ruskie | jonwil, anything like this of help: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/ ? | 10:45 |
| robbiethe1st | You'd need to mount the microSD card somewhere it can be read | 10:45 |
| ruskie | robbiethe1st, well wouldn't the default auto mount location be good for that? | 10:45 |
| vdv | since sdcard is ext3, i become warning on boot that card is unusable | 10:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. | 10:45 |
| ruskie | vdv, it's not really | 10:45 |
| ruskie | the OS needs to be ajdusted to mount it | 10:45 |
| vdv | i know, i can mount it and use | 10:45 |
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| vdv | entry in fstab? | 10:46 |
| ruskie | might need to poke tracker to index it | 10:46 |
| ruskie | sadly no | 10:46 |
| ruskie | fstab gets regenerated on each reboot | 10:46 |
| ruskie | which is annoying | 10:46 |
| ruskie | I really need to send some patches to cssu for that | 10:46 |
| vdv | but there's no fstab.d under /etc | 10:46 |
| ruskie | erm | 10:46 |
| ruskie | there is no fstab.d anywhere | 10:46 |
| jonwil | nope that site doesn't help | 10:46 |
| ruskie | it's just /etc/fstab | 10:46 |
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| vdv | yes | 10:47 |
| ruskie | and that gets generated using some awk script | 10:47 |
| jonwil | The hard part (and the undocumented part) is understanding the ARM linux ABI | 10:47 |
| ruskie | genfstab.awk iirc | 10:47 |
| ruskie | ahh | 10:47 |
| RST38h | One would think the ABI is pretty well documented | 10:47 |
| RST38h | By ARM itself | 10:47 |
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| jonwil | I could probably figure some things out by reading the GCC source code | 10:48 |
| jonwil | but the GCC source code is unreadable | 10:48 |
| jonwil | its a nightmare | 10:48 |
| jonwil | :P | 10:48 |
| ruskie | ttp://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ? | 10:49 |
| ruskie | s/ttp:/http:/ | 10:50 |
| infobot | ruskie meant: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ? | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:51 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could afford a copy of the HexRays ARM decompiler :( | 10:56 | |
| vdv | can anyone advise some good media player for maemo? | 10:56 |
| ruskie | vdv, I use xmms2 myself ;) | 10:56 |
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| vdv | and for video? | 10:56 |
| Venemo | vdv, what's wrong with the built-in one? | 10:57 |
| ruskie | mplayer | 10:57 |
| ruskie | but then that's me | 10:57 |
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| vdv | installed smplayer | 11:13 |
| ruskie | Venemo, the issue with built-in one... tracker | 11:13 |
| Venemo | mhm. | 11:14 |
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| Venemo | joppu, ping | 11:17 |
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| Venemo | joppu, please see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26464&posted=1#post26464 | 11:24 |
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| vdv | hmm.. seems media player actually "sees" mp3's on ext3 microsd | 11:29 |
| ruskie | vdv, after they get indexed by tracker yeah | 11:29 |
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| vdv | how can run tracker manually? | 11:31 |
| jonwil | is it just me or have all the smart guru people moved to the N950 or to MeeGo? :P | 11:35 |
| ruskie | no clue | 11:36 |
| jonwil | It seems that way though | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | jonwil, hardly. | 11:43 |
| crashanddie_ | jonwil, but yeah, we've lost 150 people in the channel over the last year. | 11:43 |
| crashanddie_ | vdv, /etc/osso-af-init/tracker.sh start | 11:45 |
| jonwil | Seems like finding anyone much who cares about improving Fremantle or doing any kind of system development is almost impossible | 11:45 |
| vdv | crashanddie, and maybe before that tracker-processes --terminate | 11:46 |
| vdv | what's wrong with this http://pastebin.com/4EpRVfAm (contents of the hildon-application-manager.list file) | 11:50 |
| vdv | is it normal that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? | 11:50 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:51 |
| vdv | i get error when i do apt-get update | 11:51 |
| ruskie | and you really shouldn't be editing hildon-application-manager.list | 11:51 |
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| cehteh | there is sources.list.d/ right? | 11:51 |
| ruskie | use the app manager to edit catalogues | 11:51 |
| ruskie | should be | 11:51 |
| cehteh | this isnt normal apt .. its nokiafucked apt :) | 11:51 |
| vdv | lol | 11:52 |
| vdv | ruskie, should edit sources.list instead? | 11:52 |
| vdv | ah, app manager | 11:53 |
| cehteh | use the application manager gui | 11:53 |
| vdv | ok | 11:53 |
| cehteh | it also sprinkles some fairy dust over apt, using plain apt can break the system | 11:53 |
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| cehteh | fapman works to some extent too, even some people suggest against it | 11:54 |
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| vdv | Program Catalog doesn't work now | 12:03 |
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| vdv | seems hildon-application-manager.list is damaged | 12:03 |
| vdv | can anyone post his own so i can to compare? | 12:04 |
| cehteh | hey that one contains private data, doesnt it? | 12:06 |
| cehteh | (the closed source repo for the nokia apps) | 12:06 |
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| vdv | cehteh, closed source repo? | 12:12 |
| cehteh | why did yours get damaged btw? | 12:13 |
| cehteh | http://pastebin.com/dAtyJgxJ | 12:14 |
| vdv | because i've edited it too much :) | 12:15 |
| cehteh | looks no private stuff there, the SDK repo has some private URL which should not be published | 12:15 |
| cehteh | lol | 12:15 |
| cehteh | note the last 2 entries are non standard too | 12:15 |
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| vdv | cehteh, ok thanks | 12:17 |
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| vdv | apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 3811. | 12:22 |
| vdv | i assume 3811 is application manager's pid? | 12:22 |
| vdv | i get msg above when trying to run application manager | 12:23 |
| cehteh | you have some apt jobs running or stale locks? | 12:25 |
| cehteh | fix that, maybe just reboot | 12:25 |
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| joppu | Venemo: pong, got it | 12:31 |
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| Venemo | joppu, thank you :) | 12:32 |
| Venemo | joppu, do you have a good idea for a good-looking icon for such an app? | 12:32 |
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| joppu | I'm at work atm, so I'll get back to you later, ok? | 12:38 |
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| Evanescence | Is their some tools to hack wireless on Maemo except aircrack-ng ? | 12:49 |
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| vdv | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF | 13:23 |
| vdv | how can i fix that? | 13:24 |
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| dvoid | love the new portrait homescreen support | 13:51 |
| dvoid | my n900 feels like a new phone ;) | 13:51 |
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| * jonwil is sad that none of his N900 projects have come to fruit :( | 13:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Wish you'd found here a couple of years ago. | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Things might have been different. | 13:56 |
| jonwil | Doubt any of my projects would have happened then either | 13:56 |
| jonwil | I see nothing to suggest Nokias attitude towards openness in Maemo Fremantle was any better in the past than it is now | 13:56 |
| cehteh | another reason to write portable code and not to work on a island platform .. bye ios, bye android .. <3 posix / maemo / meego | 13:57 |
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| cehteh | jonwil: looks they nailed the n950 more down than the n900 or? | 13:57 |
| jonwil | Don't know about the N950 at all | 13:58 |
| jonwil | and dont care | 13:58 |
| scoobertron | dvoid: new homescreen support? was there an update that I missed? | 13:58 |
| cehteh | up until the n900 the got more and more open .. not completely but there was some progress | 13:58 |
| jonwil | Community SSU | 13:58 |
| cehteh | not it all ended | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: It was - slightly | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Some components were opened. | 13:59 |
| jonwil | Like what? | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: And some information was released. | 13:59 |
| jonwil | I think what happened with the N950 is that Nokia invented a new fancy UX and wanted to keep the interesting parts closed | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Plus - the chances of getting information when large slices of the project team have been axed is at best small. | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Pretty much the same with the 900. | 14:00 |
| jonwil | I still doubt that Nokia would have been willing to open up anything for the cell modem stack or related areas of code | 14:00 |
| cehteh | well n950 / n9 will be a fail and DOA .. | 14:00 |
| cehteh | even if they are great devices ... | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 14:00 |
| dvoid | scoobertron, dont think its in any update yet...but theres a .deb in the maemo.org forum...works great...to bad it didt come like 2 years ago ;) | 14:00 |
| jonwil | I doubt that the bits I wanted opened would have been opened even back then | 14:00 |
| scoobertron | dvoid: thanks, I will have a look for that. | 14:00 |
| jonwil | People were asking for things like ICD and BME to be opened even before the N900 | 14:01 |
| cehteh | there will be other free/open phones .. sometime | 14:01 |
| dvoid | scoobertron, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74980 | 14:01 |
| jonwil | with only negative answers | 14:01 |
| Evanescence | how to let N900 output to TV ? I test two in "TV out" setting , and searched maemo.org. nothing found. | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: perhaps | 14:01 |
| cehteh | Evanescence: plug it into a TV should work out of the box then | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm waiting if djszapi's effort to better the situation with aegis docs will blossom - otherwise this N950 is useless junk and I consider sending it either back to Nokia or to the junkjard for recycling | 14:02 |
| cehteh | haha | 14:02 |
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| Evanescence | cehteh: I plug on that TV connect line. three plug on TV. and another plug on my N900. no effect. | 14:02 |
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| cehteh | Evanescence: in settings you enabled the tvout? | 14:03 |
| cehteh | and are you in NTSCistan or PAListan? | 14:03 |
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| Evanescence | cehteh: yes, enabled, only two type in setting. I test both of them | 14:03 |
| Evanescence | cehteh: what is NTSCistan and PAListan ? | 14:04 |
| cehteh | on the TV set you may have to switch input? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly situation feels worse than windows: you don't knw how to do and where to find docs about 50% of things you usually want to do. Kill a runaway user process as root? Not possible | 14:04 |
| cehteh | the country you live in .. using NTSC or PAL or what? | 14:04 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: how about sending it to me? :) | 14:04 |
| cehteh | (well seriusly, i dont have much interest to waste time on a dead horse) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | see?! | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 14:05 |
| cehteh | but if you abadon it, then in a way to show nokia the finger | 14:05 |
| cehteh | install a working openmoko on it or so .. | 14:06 |
| cehteh | or iOS :) | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, if that were possible I'd probably not bin it | 14:06 |
| cehteh | well you can give to to your niches as toy? | 14:06 |
| Evanescence | cehteh: I understand a little now | 14:07 |
| cehteh | any useful spare parts on it? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could actually do the explode&scan | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | then send back the rocks | 14:07 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yeah cool .. with timer .. send it back, take elop with it | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: not a bomb, the exploded view ;-P | 14:08 |
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| cehteh | Evanescence: TVout should work unless your device is defect or you made some other error .. likely the later | 14:08 |
| cehteh | plugged in the wrong input, didnt switched to that input | 14:09 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: hey cant you reprogramm the charger to make it boom? ... or maybe just melt | 14:09 |
| Evanescence | cehteh: I plug three line following that colors | 14:09 |
| cehteh | well read the TV docs what signal the yellow cable is expected | 14:10 |
| cehteh | and then on the TV you need to switch to that input | 14:10 |
| cehteh | whatever it is named | 14:10 |
| cehteh | it will not automatically use it when you plug something in there | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I finally could test if thermal management is good enough to throttle or shutdown prior to CPU defects, yeah | 14:11 |
| cehteh | hey you can make a YT video n950 at 2.5Ghz :) | 14:11 |
| cehteh | and n950 under liquid nitrogen | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no I can't, this kernel isn't OCable | 14:12 |
| cehteh | and n950 nailed to a barn-door | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of now javispedro failed on building the STOCK kernel and make it run | 14:12 |
| cehteh | outsch | 14:12 |
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| cehteh | sometimes i'd wish the kernel devs switched to gplv3 .. (yeah i know there are also reasons not to do so, but SOMETIMES!) | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | also javispedro: installed rpcbind, finally it worked... for some 2h or sth - when he left home, aegis decided rpcbind did some suspicious thing so aegis instabricked the device: reflash needed | 14:14 |
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| cehteh | is aegis a kernel module or monolithic? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a distributed framework, parts in kernel, parts in bootloader, parts in userland | 14:15 |
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| cehteh | i meant the in-kernel parts | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course mono | 14:16 |
| cehteh | mhm it has something TPM alike? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it IS TPM | 14:16 |
| cehteh | ok | 14:16 |
| * robbiethe1st is actually glad he didn't get picked for a N950... | 14:16 | |
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| cehteh | so it will only boot signed kernels | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:17 |
| cehteh | robbiethe1st: ahh good to meet you .. | 14:17 |
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| cehteh | robbiethe1st: i have ext4 at MyDocs and mmc .. and backupmenu is unable to access these | 14:17 |
| cehteh | i didnt investigated why, do you have a fast idea how to fix that? | 14:17 |
| robbiethe1st | change the mount line in | 14:18 |
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| cehteh | in what? | 14:19 |
| robbiethe1st | Sorry; doing two things at once. You'll need to change the mount lines in /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item | 14:20 |
| robbiethe1st | it's a shell script, so | 14:20 |
| cehteh | ah ok :) thanks | 14:21 |
| cehteh | thats all info i need | 14:21 |
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| cehteh | robbiethe1st: shall i make that configureable and send you a patch? .. else i just fix it ad-hoc for me | 14:23 |
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| robbiethe1st | Actually, I should probably do some auto-detection... | 14:24 |
| robbiethe1st | If you can figure that out, I'd be more than appreciative. | 14:25 |
| cehteh | yeah my thinking .. but i am not sure the busybox mount can do autodetection, if not you have to read the fs identifier | 14:26 |
| cehteh | ok maybe i do that | 14:26 |
| cehteh | (dont hold your breath) | 14:26 |
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| cehteh | anyways making this configureable "MY_DOCS_FS=vfat" would be the first step .. later then checking if there is MY_DOCS_FS=auto and then, if neccessary do the autodetection | 14:30 |
| cehteh | .. backup works | 14:31 |
| cehteh | thanks | 14:31 |
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| ruskie | why would you need to do vfat/ext detection? | 14:34 |
| ruskie | mount -t auto will auto detect them | 14:34 |
| ruskie | fsck should auto detect them as well | 14:34 |
| ruskie | even fstab entry as auto will auto detect them for the fs | 14:34 |
| cehteh | ruskie: yes thats my question, can busybox mount do -t auto? | 14:34 |
| cehteh | i am not sure | 14:35 |
| cehteh | (but dont reject that, have to try) | 14:35 |
| cehteh | the fstab entries are invoked by mout | 14:35 |
| cehteh | mount | 14:35 |
| ruskie | it can from what I tried | 14:36 |
| ruskie | but lemme check | 14:36 |
| cehteh | but in busybox land everything is crippled and nothing is sure :) | 14:36 |
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| ruskie | cehteh, works fine here | 14:38 |
| cehteh | ok | 14:38 |
| ruskie | mount -o ro -t auto /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 mounted it fin | 14:38 |
| ruskie | the reason for the ro is ext4 with some unsupported feature | 14:38 |
| cehteh | ok | 14:40 |
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| ruskie | but yeah it detected the fs and mounted it | 14:41 |
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| vi__ | MohammadAG: hello | 15:04 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: do you still maintain phone control script? | 15:04 |
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| vi__ | everyone else:I have a conundrum | 15:04 |
| vi__ | a question wrt how dbus works | 15:05 |
| vi__ | with a very specific example | 15:05 |
| vi__ | you may know about hte headset-control package | 15:05 |
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| vi__ | this allows you to stop/start the media player with the headset button | 15:05 |
| vi__ | it relies on the headset-button-enabler package | 15:06 |
| vi__ | which creates the dbus events form hal detecting button action | 15:06 |
| vi__ | if I run dbus --monitor --system I can see the button action | 15:06 |
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| vi__ | when I have BOTH headset-control AND headset-button-enabler installed | 15:07 |
| vi__ | however if I uninstall headset-control | 15:07 |
| vi__ | I no longer see dbus events for the headset button | 15:08 |
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| vi__ | one would assume that they would as the headset-button-enabler is present | 15:08 |
| vi__ | Does anyone know anything about the headset-enabler? | 15:09 |
| vi__ | Do I need to register a listner ala proximityd | 15:09 |
| vi__ | ? | 15:09 |
| vi__ | Is there any documentation for this program? | 15:09 |
| vi__ | or did qwerty12 eschew docs? | 15:09 |
| vi__ | is anyone even listening to me or am I just pee'ing up the wall solo here? | 15:10 |
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| trx | afaik headset-control only talks to media player | 15:11 |
| vi__ | Yes I understand that | 15:11 |
| vi__ | headset-control relies upon headset enabler | 15:12 |
| trx | yes | 15:12 |
| vi__ | headset-enabler is supposed to create a dbus event for headset control to hear | 15:12 |
| trx | these are small scripts afaik, you should check the source | 15:13 |
| trx | it will clarify things | 15:13 |
| trx | anyway, what are you trying to do? | 15:13 |
| vi__ | I am writing my own set of scripts | 15:15 |
| vi__ | to replace all this stuff I have hanging on dbus with just dbus-scritps | 15:15 |
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| vi__ | Ok I see, headset-button-enabler simply changes one line in one file: | 15:21 |
| vi__ | sed -i s/"^jackbias-off = jack-bias: off"/"jackbias-off = jack-bias: on"/ $policy_file | 15:21 |
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| vi__ | so what creates the dbus event? | 15:23 |
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| vi__ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1053300#post1053300 | 15:37 |
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| thomic | hi there | 15:41 |
| thomic | Is there anybody who can help me getting my password-protected backupfiles opened on a linux system? (Background: My N900 was defective and i sent it to Nokia Support - but there are no parts and no replacement devices available - so Nokia is able -by there terms and conditions- to send me instead of a working N900 - another device like an E7 or an N8. I don't want that one and said i want my N900 or an N9 if possible. But it looks bad - and i need my con | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | N900's backups are standard .zip files, IIRC | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | also, your question was truncated at "i need my con" | 15:46 |
| thomic | mgedmin: yeah but how are they encrypted? | 15:46 |
| ruskie | thomic, they aren't? | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | I've never used an encrypted backup | 15:47 |
| thomic | hrm i protected them with a password | 15:47 |
| thomic | this is an option at the backup programm | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | I think zip files have a password-protection feature | 15:47 |
| ruskie | then it's probably a standard zip password | 15:47 |
| thomic | unzip gets an error message | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | so you should be able to open them with any archive manager (e.g. file-roller)? | 15:48 |
| ruskie | yup | 15:48 |
| thomic | it doesn't ask for a password | 15:48 |
| thomic | file-roller also | 15:48 |
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| ruskie | run: file nabeoffile | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 15:48 |
| ruskie | erm nameoffile even | 15:48 |
| ruskie | to see what it says | 15:49 |
| thomic | file comm_and_cal.zip | 15:49 |
| thomic | comm_and_cal.zip: data | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | I could make a backup and see what happens | 15:49 |
| thomic | it says "data" | 15:49 |
| thomic | :) | 15:49 |
| ruskie | hmm | 15:49 |
| ruskie | hmm I think unzip won't ask about it | 15:50 |
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| thomic | that would be really nice mgedmin unzip says: "End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either not a zipfile or it constitues of multipart... blah" | 15:50 |
| thomic | its no multipart because the unencrypted much older zipfiles work | 15:50 |
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| thomic | lesson learned - do not password protect your backups on n900 ;) | 15:51 |
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| ruskie | try: unzip -P password comm_and_cal.zip | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | ok, I got a zipped password-protected backup file | 15:51 |
| thomic | ruskie: same problem | 15:51 |
| thomic | indeed unzip has to ask for password | 15:52 |
| thomic | if it recognizes a valid ziparchive | 15:52 |
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| ruskie | yeah just read the manpage | 15:52 |
| ruskie | maybe the file got corrupted or something | 15:52 |
| mgedmin | darn, you're right | 15:53 |
| thomic | ruskie: all my backup files from over 1 year (monthly backup) got corrupted? :D - i restored exactly these files with the n900 backup tool | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | file says "data" | 15:53 |
| thomic | after flashing and so | 15:53 |
| ruskie | hmm | 15:53 |
| thomic | mgedmin: yay really weird | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | I'm beginning to think Nokia implemented their own encryption algorithm | 15:53 |
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| ruskie | can you try editing the backup file? | 15:53 |
| thomic | ruskie: how? | 15:53 |
| jonwil | The backup binary links to libcrypto.so.0.9.8 | 15:54 |
| thomic | so maybe i'm doomed :) | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | well, worst case -- get a n900 from ebay or somewhere, copy backup files over, restore | 15:54 |
| ruskie | thomic, $EDITOR backupfile | 15:54 |
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| ruskie | or ask someone to do it for you | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | ruskie, why? that would be a Really Bad Idea | 15:54 |
| thomic | ruskie: i think mgedmin is right :D | 15:55 |
| * mgedmin is trying to google something about n900 backup encryption | 15:55 | |
| thomic | it's binary | 15:55 |
| thomic | mgedmin: i've done that | 15:55 |
| thomic | hours and hours | 15:55 |
| thomic | one irc-log with no output | 15:55 |
| ruskie | mgedmin, it might be some shell thingy or something | 15:55 |
| thomic | maybe anybody who had that problem is that rich to buy a new n900 ;) | 15:55 |
| thomic | ruskie: i can open it with hexedit and get nice encrypted data | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | I suppose the backup/restore app is closed source? | 15:56 |
| thomic | is it? | 15:57 |
| jonwil | yes it is | 15:57 |
| * ruskie tries to generate a pw protected backup | 15:57 | |
| jonwil | yep, osso-backup is closed source | 15:57 |
| thomic | it's named osso-backup | 15:57 |
| thomic | yay thanks jonwil | 15:57 |
| jonwil | its closed source so that doesnt help you | 15:58 |
| thomic | i know ... just thanks for the info - i think i'll get a ticket at nokia support for patching this crappy "nokia suite" or so to read these files :) | 15:58 |
| jonwil | if it helps, its using AES encryption | 16:00 |
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| thomic | ok jonwil openssl enc -d -aes* wont do it :( | 16:04 |
| jonwil | shouldn't be rocket science to figure out how to decrypt the files (given that we have implementations of AES and SHA1 that exist) | 16:08 |
| jonwil | that's if I can get a working example | 16:08 |
| ruskie | generate your own backup file? | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | generate three | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | two in plaintext to see what changes (embedded timestamps?) | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | third one encrypted | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | then do cryptanalysis! | 16:09 |
| jonwil | no, reverse engineering can make it happen | 16:09 |
| ruskie | hehe | 16:09 |
| jonwil | since the crypto functions are documented | 16:09 |
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| thomic | oh yeah :) | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | I see amazon still sells n900s | 16:11 |
| thomic | happy holiday :) | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should buy a backup copy, in case mine breaks? | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | but I've been saving up for a n9... | 16:11 |
| jonwil | AES and SHA1 are fairly simple to understand | 16:11 |
| thomic | yeah and i had them in my university courses ... won't be a technical - but time problem :) | 16:12 |
| jonwil | nope, wont be hard since we have the password | 16:12 |
| jonwil | and we can figure out via reverse engineering how the password works | 16:12 |
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| Venemo | mgedmin, N950 isn't enough? | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | no fbreader, no vim | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | no pwsafe | 16:13 |
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| Venemo | YET | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | no web browser that can open https sites with self-signed certificates | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | yes, the "YET" is what consoles me | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | otoh I don't own a n950; it's on loan to me and I'm supposed to return it if someone at nokia decides I've had it long enough | 16:14 |
| Venemo | we're supposed to get a sw update (at latest, at N9 launch) which will cure every problem | 16:14 |
| Venemo | yeah | 16:14 |
| Venemo | a loan it is :( | 16:14 |
| Venemo | maybe it's their way of forcing me to buy an N9? I'm not sure I could just return to the N900 after this. | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | *nod* | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | I hope it will be possible to copy/paste from an xterm with the final software version | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | or from the web browser for that matter | 16:15 |
| Venemo | :D | 16:17 |
| Venemo | or at least we shall have a useable MeeGo CE | 16:17 |
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| edheldil | Venemo: is n950 that better? :( | 16:19 |
| Venemo | edheldil, well, not THAT better, but the user experience is a very nice and fresh concept indeed | 16:20 |
| Venemo | and the phone experience is a lot better. | 16:21 |
| Venemo | anyway, I prefer not to boast with it | 16:21 |
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| edheldil | what is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work | 16:24 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, its not as simple to figure out the backups as I thought | 16:28 |
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| jonwil | if I could get GDB to stay up long enough to hit gsf_input_crypt_new that would help | 16:43 |
| jonwil | but the backup app closes everything | 16:43 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about gsf_input? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie_ | crap | 16:46 |
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| jonwil | crap what? | 16:46 |
| crashanddie_ | our main datacentre just disappeared from the interwebs | 16:46 |
| jonwil | ugh, thats gotta hurt | 16:46 |
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| jonwil | Any ideas why? :) | 16:46 |
| crashanddie_ | None whatsoever. | 16:46 |
| jonwil | talked to whoever is closest physically to the datacenter? | 16:46 |
| crashanddie_ | Yeah, they're going there | 16:47 |
| jonwil | :) | 16:47 |
| crashanddie_ | We called the datacentre operator | 16:47 |
| kerio | CENTER | 16:47 |
| kerio | :< | 16:47 |
| crashanddie_ | no, centre. | 16:47 |
| kerio | k | 16:47 |
| nid0 | which dc? | 16:48 |
| crashanddie_ | Oh wait. | 16:49 |
| crashanddie_ | Our DC is fine. | 16:49 |
| crashanddie_ | It's the pipe. | 16:49 |
| crashanddie_ | Colt fucked up. | 16:49 |
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| ruskie | jonwil, so no luck? tried strace mayeb? | 16:51 |
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| jonwil | I am getting closer | 16:52 |
| jonwil | just need to play with some things | 16:52 |
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| jonwil | ok, the interesting bit is done via a datatype called gsf_input_crypt | 17:04 |
| rm_work | jonwil: did you finish reversing the display brightness lib? | 17:06 |
| jonwil | nope | 17:06 |
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| jonwil | sorry | 17:06 |
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| jonwil | MCE is just too complex to reverse engineer | 17:10 |
| pronto | MCE? | 17:11 |
| rm_work | jonwil: :( | 17:11 |
| jonwil | mode control entity | 17:11 |
| jonwil | ooh good, libosso-gsf is open source :) | 17:11 |
| rm_work | jonwil: well, if you do give it another shot (just the brightness control bits) I'd buy you a beer :P | 17:12 |
| jonwil | dont drink alcohol :P | 17:12 |
| rm_work | I'd buy you lunch? :P | 17:12 |
| rm_work | <jonwil> don't drink lunch | 17:12 |
| jonwil | the brightness stuff on Fremantle is just too complex | 17:14 |
| jonwil | and too different from all the other versions of MCE we DO have code for | 17:14 |
| rm_work | :( | 17:14 |
| rm_work | I need it on Harmattan anyway, lol | 17:14 |
| jonwil | Even the fairly simple-looking vibration plugin was too hard for me to get | 17:14 |
| jonwil | If you need it on Harmattan, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce/ | 17:15 |
| jonwil | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce-dev/ | 17:15 |
| jonwil | Thats the MCE source for Harmattan | 17:15 |
| jonwil | presumably the N950 | 17:15 |
| jonwil | its only Fremantle thats closed source | 17:15 |
| jonwil | does that help? | 17:18 |
| rm_work | well | 17:20 |
| rm_work | MCE itself is open i think | 17:20 |
| rm_work | but the display-brightness plugin is not? | 17:20 |
| rm_work | I think | 17:20 |
| * rm_work checks | 17:20 | |
| jonwil | on Harmattan it should be open | 17:20 |
| jonwil | yep, it is open on harmattan | 17:21 |
| jonwil | display.c | 17:21 |
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| rm_work | wait where | 17:21 |
| jonwil | in the source I linked to | 17:22 |
| jonwil | its there | 17:22 |
| rm_work | wahg | 17:22 |
| rm_work | SWEET | 17:23 |
| rm_work | sweet jesus on a popsicle | 17:23 |
| jonwil | Is that the code you need? | 17:23 |
| rm_work | yes | 17:23 |
| rm_work | i was just looking at the dev headers | 17:23 |
| jonwil | Glad I could help | 17:23 |
| rm_work | and not seeing it | 17:23 |
| rm_work | didn't actually even bother checking the actual source | 17:24 |
| rm_work | T_T | 17:24 |
| rm_work | they've really surprised me this time | 17:24 |
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| jonwil | I think MCE is one of the few things that is more open in Harmattan than it was in Fremantle | 17:25 |
| jonwil | it was actually made open source for MeeGo | 17:25 |
| rm_work | yeah, i am amazed | 17:25 |
| jonwil | According to the guy who did most of MCE, the reason it was closed for so long was a nebulous "there might be valuable IP in there" | 17:27 |
| jonwil | Then for MeeGo they actually took a hard look and decided that it could be open sourced instead of released as a blob | 17:27 |
| rm_work | yeah... | 17:27 |
| rm_work | valuable IP alright... "change brightness setting" | 17:27 |
| jonwil | there is a lot more involved, e.g. MCE does a lot that relates to power usage | 17:30 |
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| jonwil | great that you found the code you need now :) | 17:48 |
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| admiral0 | jonwil==khong? | 17:49 |
| admiral0 | s/ong/uong/ | 17:49 |
| infobot | admiral0 meant: jonwil==khuong? | 17:49 |
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| jonwil | nope, never heard of khuong | 17:50 |
| admiral0 | :\ | 17:50 |
| cehteh | foo | 17:51 |
| cehteh | s/ / / | 17:51 |
| infobot | cehteh meant: foo | 17:51 |
| cehteh | :P | 17:51 |
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| vi__ | ~dict seymor butts | 17:52 |
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| admiral0 | lol | 17:53 |
| admiral0 | here he is :) | 17:53 |
| khuong | hi | 17:53 |
| admiral0 | hi khuong | 17:53 |
| khuong | hello admiral0 | 17:53 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 18:03 |
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| thopiekar | who wanted sslstrip in maemo5? | 18:05 |
| x29a | id want a current chrome and python ;) | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | out of curiosity, for you current python is 2.7 or 3.2? | 18:06 |
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| x29a | > 2.5 | 18:07 |
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| x29a | 2.7 and 3.x are pretty close concerning features, as far as i see | 18:07 |
| x29a | or, as far as it concerns me | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | the n950 came with python 2.7 preinstalled | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | no! 2.6 :( | 18:09 |
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| sevard | holy shit there's an n950 now | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | I just remembered being happy it wasn't 2.5 :) | 18:10 |
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| x29a | mgedmin: i know, the bug filed against the python port to update it to >2.5 for fremantle is a "wontfix" | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | I'm not surprised | 18:10 |
| sevard | i feel so ancient with my n810 | 18:11 |
| sevard | who wants to buy it | 18:11 |
| * mgedmin still has his 770 in a drawer somewhere | 18:11 | |
| mgedmin | actually I dropped it on my cats' water bowl by accident | 18:11 |
| x29a | do i win with owning a 3210? | 18:11 |
| flux | I have n810 on my table waiting for some fun use. not figured out yet what that would be. | 18:11 |
| x29a | ;) | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | chipped the bowl :( | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | the 770 is fine :) | 18:11 |
| sevard | flux: have you found a batter xterm for it? | 18:11 |
| flux | perhaps it could serve as a terminal for filling up the shopping list or something, attached to the fridge with a magnet | 18:11 |
| x29a | flux: some house management terminal? | 18:11 |
| sevard | dude the n810 is too heavy to attach to the fridge | 18:12 |
| x29a | lol | 18:12 |
| flux | sevard, I've extracted magnets from old hard drives ;) | 18:12 |
| flux | also 50 smaller magnets from dx are coming in the mail.. | 18:12 |
| sevard | and you want to put a huge magnet on your fancy handheld pc | 18:12 |
| flux | does n810 have something that's sensitive to magnets? | 18:13 |
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| sevard | your mom | 18:14 |
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| sevard | the n810 has an ambiant light sensor?? | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 18:16 |
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| sevard | I should write an alarm clock for it that slowly wakes you up | 18:16 |
| admiral0 | khuong ping | 18:16 |
| sevard | it would wake you up slower depending on how dark it is | 18:16 |
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| sevard | admiral0: awww | 18:18 |
| admiral0 | .... | 18:19 |
| sevard | your friend died | 18:19 |
| admiral0 | lol | 18:19 |
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| sevard | wtf | 18:19 |
| admiral0 | lol | 18:20 |
| edheldil | what is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work | 18:21 |
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| sevard | what's the deal with the community ssu for the n810? | 18:34 |
| sevard | the os 2008's application updater already issues updates for garage apps.. i get updates for dialcentral all the time | 18:35 |
| sevard | is there an advantage I'm not seeing? | 18:35 |
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| thopiekar | re | 18:38 |
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| rm_work | sevard: I think the idea is the SSU does SYSTEM applications, like the kernel and such | 18:43 |
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| rm_work | sevard: whereas the updater is right now only telling you about app updates | 18:43 |
| sevard | hm | 18:43 |
| sevard | so this would be important if one upgraded to diablo turbo | 18:44 |
| rm_work | erm | 18:44 |
| rm_work | not sure what that is exactly... possibly? :P | 18:44 |
| sevard | apparently it's a new kernel with patches to increase performance and overclock from 333 to 400mhz | 18:44 |
| rm_work | how much do you know about how DPKG works? | 18:44 |
| rm_work | and apt | 18:44 |
| sevard | i know a fair deal | 18:45 |
| rm_work | ok so | 18:45 |
| rm_work | right now there is a meta-package that is "all system packages for this OS" | 18:45 |
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| rm_work | and it specifies absolute version numbers for kernel, xorg, etc | 18:45 |
| rm_work | when you install the SSU, they have a newer version of that meta-package | 18:45 |
| rm_work | so it tells your system there is a new set of packages for those (from the SSU) and allows you to get their custom kernel/xorg/etc updates | 18:46 |
| rm_work | for the low level system packages | 18:46 |
| rm_work | someone correct me if i'm wrong | 18:46 |
| sevard | neat | 18:46 |
| sevard | it looks like there have been some pretty good advancements for os2008 | 18:47 |
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| rm_work | i haven't been following it :( my n800 was fairly broken by the time i got my n900 (random reboots, hardware related) so i basically dropped development on it | 18:48 |
| sevard | aww | 18:48 |
| rm_work | i did love that thing tho :) | 18:48 |
| rm_work | one of the best devices i've ever owned | 18:49 |
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| rm_work | second only to n900 and possibly now n950 (haven't decided yet on the n950, only had it for like two hours) | 18:49 |
| sevard | i didn't even know an n950 came out lol | 18:49 |
| sevard | did they finally add usb host mode :) | 18:49 |
| rm_work | hey lcuk where is that maemo advert site we did? | 18:51 |
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| rm_work | lcuk: nm found it | 18:52 |
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| thopiekar | sslstrip is now here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75034 | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, 2h walk with xchat, with marble and mappero and screen always on, pretty much eats exactly one battery | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | while mappero was kinda nice and easy, marble gave me quite some headache usability and performance-wise | 19:43 |
| javispedro | 3g? no wonder | 19:46 |
| javispedro | use gprs, and you might even make the day | 19:46 |
| javispedro | well no way | 19:46 |
| javispedro | but half-day maybe | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yup | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | will repeat that test another time, without any online data connection | 19:55 |
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| thopiekar | who of you is using the facebook chat in conversations? | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Not me. | 19:56 |
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| kerio | thopiekar: use jabber | 20:07 |
| kerio | the server is chat.facebook.com | 20:07 |
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| thopiekar | kerio: set as address [username]@chat.facebook.com and my password but as the predefined facebookchat profile it also doesn't work | 20:09 |
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| Venemo | thopiekar, I use the build-in facebook chat; works | 20:15 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/18/htc_apple_patent_ruling/ | 20:16 |
| khuong | admiral0, you there? | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | Venemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user.. | 20:16 |
| admiral0 | yep | 20:17 |
| Venemo | thopiekar, weird | 20:18 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/review_tablets_hp_touchpad/ | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oooh GREAT - hildon craps itself - black backlit screen with only the 4 time-digits from statusbar visible | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | so, ermm I installed titans kernel for a bit of OC fun on one of my maemo devices | 21:49 |
| lcuk | any idea how to allow it to actually do some ocing | 21:49 |
| lcuk | the device seems slower than it was before | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | More BS patents. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of hand. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gettys.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/apple-patents-portrait-landscape-flipping-the-patent-system-is-broken/ | 21:53 |
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| ruskie | ohh fun | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | public enemy iirc was the band that had a song "sample my sausage" - here we shall rename the song to "patent my brainfart" | 22:17 |
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| Creteil | !seen thopiekar | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | >> ~seen | 22:36 |
| Creteil | ~seen thopiekar | 22:36 |
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| infobot | thopiekar <~quassel@p4FCD74A5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'Venemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user..'. | 22:36 |
| Creteil | Maybe he cleaned too much :-) | 22:37 |
| Venemo | :D | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: almost uploaded \o/ | 22:42 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, the video? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: from the *cough* very informative *couhg* sharing-status progress bar I think it's at ~80% | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I also found the whole upload going to dev/null on ovi after finally uploading a small video snippet | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | from right end of blue progress bar to the 5 of "50,9 MB" is maybe just 10% of the length of blue bar now ;-) | 22:47 |
| cehteh | someone at nokia has the uber secret CLUAO job .. Chief Linux User Annoying Officer :) | 22:47 |
| cehteh | or do you think thats elop personally? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *know* why this job is secret :-P | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~CLUAO is Chief Linux User Annoying Officer, a position inside Nokia that's kept secret to protect personal | 22:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 22:49 |
| Venemo | :D | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ done | 22:50 |
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| cehteh | :P | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10175 | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody betting on what's causing this? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (sorry for the bairwitch camera ;-P) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | blairwitch project even | 22:56 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, humm... | 22:57 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I should have created a video for you when I accidentally dropped the N900 on concrete | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, in slomo :-D | 22:58 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, nope, I mean what the software did after that | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | though taking a video somewhat defeats the "accidentally" | 22:59 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, it displayed rectangles in place of characters and pink rectangles in the place of image elements... varying between reboots and uptimes | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey, almost as nice as my previous N900-goes-psychedelic-art video then? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! :-D | 23:01 |
| trumee | where can i get the key? "W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF" | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 23:02 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: is that with the 64bit flash plugin? | 23:02 |
| javispedro | ji | 23:02 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, a lot nicer, in a sense | 23:02 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: that are not video encoding artifacts? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, was errr I forgot what caused it. I guess I even never knew what caused it, just like this time | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: another N900-goes-mad video: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10175 | 23:03 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i am getting a similar in konqueror with flash 64bit. firefox seem to be using the latest flash fine | 23:03 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, something must have gone wrong with the controller of the NAND flash... as it *sometimes* failed to retrieve some data, and *sometimes* *some* apps segfaulted randomly. | 23:03 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: how much swap in use? | 23:03 |
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| cehteh | yes looks to me like some swapping related problem | 23:03 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I now think that the SGX driver they chose for the n900 is _shit_ | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry you lost me | 23:04 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: crap. my bad | 23:04 |
| javispedro | cause the n950 is proven to be much better and I don't think +100Mhz can explain that | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: actually it might be swap related, though I quit mappero and esp marble some 60 min before | 23:04 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i thought you were talking about flash killing konqueror whereas my konqueror was crashing! | 23:04 |
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| Venemo | javispedro, the SGX driver in MeeGo CE already beats the SGX driver in Maemo, by far. | 23:05 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yes but the damaged pages are still swapped out (or maybe they are not even damaged but cant be swapped in in time) | 23:05 |
| Venemo | javispedro, I mean, that in Maemo5 | 23:05 |
| cehteh | gives some timing issues and borked graphics by that | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: device was next to unresponsive for intermittent timespans when I ran marble and mappero for 2h | 23:05 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: create a temp swap file (256-512MB) enable that | 23:06 |
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| cehteh | then turn main swap off (will take ages and freeze your device) | 23:06 |
| cehteh | and the reverse .. reneable main swap disable temp swap | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I can't reproduce that - at least I haven't tried (and will not try today, as this was combined with a 2h walk :-D) | 23:07 |
| cehteh | that would should if swapping (timing) was the problem .. but not if erroneous data read/written to swap | 23:07 |
| cehteh | well mappero for me became unreliable after some time too | 23:07 |
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| cehteh | i rarely use it anymore .. almost completely using monav for maps | 23:08 |
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| cehteh | and sometimes modrana, not as mature yet but looks promising | 23:08 |
| thopiekar | Creteil: ping | 23:08 |
| Creteil | hi thopiekar | 23:08 |
| Creteil | :-) | 23:08 |
| thopiekar | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75034 | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: to me it seemed like marble was acting nasty, while mappero was mostly ok during that test. marble even segfaulted or dunno what | 23:09 |
| Creteil | thopiekar, but this is not a debian package ? | 23:10 |
| thopiekar | it is in the tar.gz | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I much sympathise with javispedro 's explanation of SGX going mad another time | 23:11 |
| Creteil | let me see .. | 23:11 |
| cehteh | marble is pure software rendering without GL | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, in this video there is no marble anywhere | 23:11 |
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| cehteh | maybe too .. well X memory isnt locked into ram its swappable and if not swapped back in time then you get horrible artifacts | 23:13 |
| cehteh | and apps can cause memory leaks in X | 23:13 |
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| cehteh | prolly all things together cause it, crappy driver which cant handle timeouts well | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but how would thse artifacts blank my screen after random periods, only leaving the most recently rendered items? | 23:14 |
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| cehteh | swapping some buffers and hit the wall? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the device was working normally for ~1h prior to that effect appearing, and after I quit marble and mappero and hooked it up to charge the almost empty battery | 23:15 |
| cehteh | well this all is guesswork, i dont say my explanation is for sure | 23:15 |
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| thopiekar | after removing some apps in facebook.. at least the "Nokia N900" app and ZapLoc now chat is working again! | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew apps in facebook - I'm sure I don't want to learn what that means | 23:22 |
| nox- | worms | 23:22 |
| nox- | it means | 23:22 |
| nox- | :P | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | there was such a thing like apps on google wave(?) once | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was quite some fun to watch the whole thing turn and fire back eventually | 23:24 |
| Creteil | thopiekar, well, I need to go bed right know, but I gona check your package ... | 23:25 |
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| joppu | Venemo: see forum thread | 23:53 |
| Venemo | joppu, thanks! | 23:53 |
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| Venemo | joppu, woohoo, it's sexy! :) | 23:54 |
| Venemo | joppu, thank you very much; could you please send me that as a transparent png? | 23:55 |
| vdv | i edit file /var/lib/gconf/apps/ecoach/%gconf.xml, but it gets overwriten on next ecoach run | 23:55 |
| vdv | is that app specific behavior? | 23:55 |
| vdv | or maybe "gconf things just work so on maemo" thing? | 23:56 |
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