IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-07-13

GeneralAntillesjavispedro, is Fennec available?00:00
javispedronot in the base image00:00
javispedrodunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere00:00
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vdvwhere maemo stores a list of repositories? i.e. which file?00:01
DocScrutinizerthat's it - annoying00:01
DocScrutinizer""dunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere""00:01
jacekowskivdv: /etc/apt/00:01
trumeeDocScrutinizer: bot incoming and outgoing calls have the same id '1' :(00:01
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DocScrutinizertrumee: can you pastebin one inbound record plus one outbound record please?00:02
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i am using sqlitebrowser to see the records atm00:02
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vdvjacekowski, thanks00:03
DocScrutinizertrumee: there *has* to be a diff somewhere, as the phone history displays the direction of calls. Worst thing was they use a new database for that infobit now00:03
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DocScrutinizertrumee: ok, to ease my life, please paste the cmdline here ;-)00:04
GeneralAntillesIf only I could figure what order they're sending them out in.00:04
vdvwhat's the difference between "deb http://..." and "deb-src http://" ?00:04
DocScrutinizerI'll look up in my own databease00:04
javispedroGeneralAntilles: yours last00:04
GeneralAntillesMaybe there's a game show wheel.00:04
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, HATE00:04
* javispedro idly swipes on his n95000:04
DocScrutinizervdv: I think the one is for source repos00:05
jacekowskitrumee: it's not id00:05
DocScrutinizerI might be totally wrong00:05
jacekowskitrumee: there was some other column for that00:05
DocScrutinizertrumee: you're still with us?00:05
DocScrutinizertrumee: meanwhile I could have studied the manpage :-P00:06
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trumeejacekowski: it is the event_type_id00:06
trumeejacekowski: which seems to be 1 all the time00:06
trumeejacekowski: also the EventTypes table doesnt have an id for OUTBOUND_CALLS00:07
DocScrutinizertrumee: the inbound is sofiasip but maybe that's not realy relevant00:07
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jacekowskitrumee: when i was looking at it, it worked00:07
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yes, i would have thought both gsm and sip calls should have the same event_id00:07
trumeejacekowski: can you check if you have EventType for Outbound Calls?00:08
jacekowskitrumee: my n900 is fubar now00:08
jacekowskii've decided to buy an iphone00:08
jacekowskiiphone lasted me 24 months00:09
jacekowskin900 lasted only 1400:09
jacekowskiit's not the same quality as it used to be00:09
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah, there is an outgoing column00:09
DocScrutinizertrumee: the second last int differs 0 / 100:09
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yeah, that is the outgoing column00:09
javispedroalterego: Jaffa: GeneralAntilles: you wanted to remove developer edition branding? ;)
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jacekowskijavispedro: do you want to sell your n950?00:10
Jaffajavispedro: heh, cool00:10
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, two of those people you highlighted just to be a bitch.00:10
DocScrutinizertrumee: so you know how to tweak the SQL query?00:10
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yes00:10
javispedroGeneralAntilles: MUAHAHA.00:10
GeneralAntillesAh, cool.00:10
GeneralAntillesI had found the background watermarked images, but hadn't located the statusarea one.00:10
javispedrojacekowski: "NOT FOR SALE" imprinted on the device00:11
DocScrutinizertrumee: don't forget the updated script ;-)00:11
DocScrutinizers/et/et to post/00:11
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: trumee: don't forget to post the updated script ;-)00:11
jacekowskijavispedro: do you want to give it to me for free?00:11
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* DocScrutinizer giggles00:13
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that printing is easy to remove - I can lend you my Dremel and a soft polish disk00:13
GeneralAntillesIs it painted on or embossed?00:14
javispedroI just looked at the back of the device I realized I still have the camera lens protector00:14
javispedrono wonder it made crappy pictures00:14
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MUHAHA00:14
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, s/imprinted/printed/00:14
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: It move 3cm on my device00:15
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* javispedro uses his n950 to browse to that URL00:15
vi__how do i launch mediaplayer from cli?00:16
DocScrutinizerhe's an ass, isn't he?00:16
DocScrutinizervi__: ask MohammadAG - he should know00:17
DocScrutinizervi__: there are several methods00:17
DocScrutinizerdepending on what exactly you want to get launched00:17
GAN900DocScrutinizer, if only he realized how thin the ice really is. *g*00:17
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javispedrooh, I can already hear it cracking from here =)00:18
vdvwhat does "W: Conflicting distribution: fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )"00:18
trumeeDocScrutinizer: done.
trumeeDocScrutinizer: next step is get a popup if i exceed my free minutes00:19
Jaffajavispedro: No *baddJ* references in step 2 for me00:19
DocScrutinizertrumee: you want to link this to the trigger that updates the call duration at end of call00:20
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javispedroJaffa: sorry, "dadd-"00:20
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ?00:20
DocScrutinizertrumee: then ideally send a dbus-msg with sum of minutes on each end of call00:21
DocScrutinizertrumee: there's a trigger (stored procedure I guess) that updates the end time of call - aiui00:21
GAN900it's nice having a laptop that can resume.00:21
DocScrutinizerinside that database00:21
trumeeDocScrutinizer: or, i can use dbus-scripts when the phone app is invoked , check for the free minutes available and give a popup00:22
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DocScrutinizertrumee: ideal place to also calculate the minutes total, and send it in a dbus-signal00:22
javispedrovdv: if this is for extras devel, you can put "fremantle" in distribution field (without version)00:22
Jaffajavispedro: ta00:22
trumeeDocScrutinizer: hmm, so the dbus signal is sent out at the end of the call rather than before i start making a new call00:22
DocScrutinizertrumee: that's my next suggestion then, just you listen to this signal *you* send from the call-end stored procedure inside the sql db trigger00:23
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DocScrutinizertrumee: wouldn't it be rather useless to send a signal at start of call?00:23
trumeeDocScrutinizer: not sure if i can send a dbus signal from the trigger function in the db00:23
vdvwhat does apt-get update do? does it update packages? or just package database?00:23
DocScrutinizertrumee: me neither00:23
DocScrutinizerbut in a proper fulsize SQL it would work00:24
trumeeDocScrutinizer: as soon as i make the outgoing call, the popup will tell me that i have exceeded the free minutes, so i can stop that call00:24
DocScrutinizeras SQL has a method to call e.g dbus-send ninary00:24
javispedroone thing I wonder is why aegis doesn't crap itself when I edit theme files00:24
CaCO3vdv: update => update database. upgrade => udate packages00:24
vdvCaCO3, thanks00:25
DocScrutinizertrumee: I'd prefer a signal at end of call warning me about "7 minutes left", "6..."00:25
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: possibly because themes are not considered critical (this could be a misconception)00:26
trumeeDocScrutinizer: right00:26
DocScrutinizertrumee: maybe my idea with the dbus-send from inside the stored procedure is too nifty to be elegant00:27
DocScrutinizerjust do it as you suggested: use dbus-scripting to catch each start and end of a call, and then do whatever you like there00:28
DocScrutinizerway simpler to understand and to maintain00:28
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: yeah00:28
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Jaffajavispedro: works perfectly :)00:29
DocScrutinizertrumee: you may even consider to start a while sleep 60; do... script on start of call, that checks for minutes left each minute during call, warns when minutes ->0, and gets killed on dbus-scripting sensing call-end00:30
DocScrutinizerso you are even safe with long calls00:30
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javispedrogood to know :)00:31
CaCO3I request something for low battery00:31
CaCO3once it switched off during a call without a warning :(00:31
trumeeDocScrutinizer: problem with that is that i will be holding the phone next to my ear and wont see the popup :)00:31
CaCO3use the fibra00:31
DocScrutinizertrumee: vibrator is the magic item00:31
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i guess the phone could be made to vibrate00:31
trumeeDocScrutinizer: will stick with  a popup for a start00:32
DocScrutinizerkicking vibra it extremely simple, as simple as a popup00:33
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what will happen if you call >> play-sound warning.wav << during a call00:34
vdvwhat's the difference between gcc-4.2 and gcc packages in SDK repository?00:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer: any idea how do i find the dbus message for a call termination?00:36
DocScrutinizeruse dbus-monitor?00:36
DocScrutinizermaybe helps00:37
DocScrutinizerCaCO3: doesn't help as there's no dbus signals listed you could listen to, afaik00:38
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trumeeyes, they are for sending signals not for listening00:39
CaCO3ups, sorry didnt read it right00:40
DocScrutinizerof course play-sound during call is completely muted00:40
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DocScrutinizerhail PA and its awesme mixing paowers00:41
Venemogood evening00:41
DocScrutinizerhi Venemo00:41
VenemoDocScrutinizer, is it sarcasm, or have you really come to like PA? :P00:41
trumeeDocScrutinizer: that message doesnt help00:42
DocScrutinizerVenemo: you're kidding?00:42
CaCO3there has to be a way to play a sound while you are calling00:42
trumeeDocScrutinizer: it only gives the current state of the call.00:42
CaCO3else you coudl not be notified about another call.00:43
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i dont want to poll the phone every minute :(00:43
DocScrutinizerVenemo: how much awesome mixing could be found in completely muting the play-sound output during a phonecall?00:43
VenemoI guess that was a decision to prevent dumb users from not hearing their calls00:43
DocScrutinizertrumee: sorry, I haven't looked into it, I knew I had that bookmark as it was sth I found worth a bookmark and it was related to callstate00:44
DocScrutinizerCaCO3: that's actually done *inside* the modem00:44
CaCO3hmm :(00:45
CaCO3letzt hack the HD ^^00:45
DocScrutinizerI still had to learn N900 signals SIP calls during a GSM call00:45
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DocScrutinizerOTOH I haven't learned yet it doesn't00:45
DocScrutinizerso your point might still hold00:45
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DocScrutinizeralas all that PA crap esp alsaped is completely undocumented00:47
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DocScrutinizerso you had to figure from thin air and cryptic examples how to teak any of those policies - probably named cmt-audio or likewise - to allow mixing in audio to the GSM PCM stream00:48
DocScrutinizercheck /etc/pulse/* if you want to learn more00:50
DocScrutinizer(I wonder how this guy figured his tweaks - prolly mere guesswork)00:51
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DocScrutinizertrumee: for now vibrator is your best effort to meet the purpose00:53
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yes, saw that.00:54
trumeeDocScrutinizer: but i first need to figure out to trap the call hangup signal00:54
trumeeand the last thing i want is another daemon for checking the call state00:55
DocScrutinizerand that post you linked shall help on that?00:55
DocScrutinizermeh, use dbus-monitor, there are a zillion dbus signals on call end, it's just a matter of picking the best of the abundance00:55
Khertanouch 4Gb reseved for aegis00:56
DocScrutinizercool eh :-/00:56
trumeeDocScrutinizer: dbus-monitor outputs shit loads of messages on a call end00:56
Khertanyep indeed00:56
DocScrutinizertrumee: indeed, and all of these are related to call end00:56
DocScrutinizerI'd check for sender=cmt or sth like that, those are rather original00:57
Khertan... git installed00:58
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i am just testing with sip calls. dont want to waste my free minutes :)00:58
trumeeDocScrutinizer: and guess sip calls generate much more dbus messages00:58
Khertanhum to setuptools in harmattan repository00:59
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: made a quick script to read magnetometer output:
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you are incredible01:01
javispedrowget it on n950 and run it via "python" ... aegis won't complain ;)01:01
chem|sthas anyone tried to get "motion" running?01:02
Khertandoes aegis will complain of thing install "manually" in /usr/lib/python/dist-packages/01:02
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# chmod +x ./compass.sh01:03
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DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ./compass.sh01:03
DocScrutinizer-sh: ./ Operation not permitted01:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's python, not bash.01:03
DocScrutinizerso what?01:03
KhertanMUUUHAAHAHAHA Epic failed :)01:03
javispedroand I told you to run it via "python ..." so that aegis wouldn't complain01:03
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maybeHerethere should be a little trollface picture next to every "Operation not permitted"01:03
DocScrutinizereven more muuuhahhahaahahahaa01:04
javispedrook, hit me :)01:04
DocScrutinizer#!/usr/bin/env python01:04
DocScrutinizeris not good enough for aegis01:04
javispedrowhat's not good for aegis is running, as root, a not digsig'd file.01:04
chem|stso everyone now moving on to 950?01:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: did you noticed what i saied yesterday .. years ago some similar code-signing patch was proposed for linux but taken down as someone shown that a written in perl broke it01:05
DocScrutinizerno, only javispedro not moving to #harmattan ;-P01:05
* javispedro sighs01:05
javispedrois that thing logged already?01:05
DocScrutinizeryes, semi01:05
DocScrutinizersoon fully01:05
rm_workjavispedro: i agree with you though... it's probably a bad idea01:06
rm_workonly reason i'm in it is in case i miss something <_<01:06
rm_worki figure if someone there asks me a question, i'll respond here01:06
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: [2011-07-12 12:12:19] <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: I can get MeeGoBot here, but so far those logs are not public.01:07
DocScrutinizer[2011-07-12 12:13:03] <DocScrutinizer> I can get infobot here no problem,01:07
javispedrocivil war!01:08
vdvi'm trying to do apt-get install libqt4-dev, but it fails with unresolved dependencies: libqt4-dev: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img-dev but it is not installable01:08
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: nonsesne :-D01:08
DocScrutinizerthat's cooperation01:08
javispedrovdv: where are you trying to do that?01:09
vdvon device01:09
vdvshould i do that on scratchbox? :)01:09
javispedroI'd say that, or on a chroot with all the SDK repos a01:10
javispedrond nokia-binaries.01:10
vdvmy intention is be able to compile and run qt application01:11
vdvcan't i do it directly on device?01:11
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javispedroI suggest chroot.01:12
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: x=140..300   z=-40..150,   y=complete mess01:13
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that's for all possible orientations01:13
vdvjavispedro, where should i chroot?01:13
javispedrovdv: read some of the on-device dev threads, like
javispedroDocScrutinizer: z is failry constant here01:14
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ALL POSSIBLE orientations01:15
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DocScrutinizerface down and whatnot else01:15
javispedrofaceup z = -120, facedown z = 9001:15
vdvjavispedro: ok, thanks01:16
DocScrutinizerI'm sure my neighbours died from laughing watching me doing this dance while looking at my laptop ssh01:16
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DocScrutinizerI should have completely undressed for that, and ignited some black candles ;-P01:17
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: there must be a way to retrigger calibration01:18
javispedrothis is probably as raw as it gets.01:18
DocScrutinizermy calibration dance was very poor I guess01:18
DocScrutinizerdunno, haven't seen the DS yet for that chip01:18
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javispedroseemingly ak8974 for n95001:19
javispedroand ak8975 for n9?01:19
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Termanagood morning03:32
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DocScrutinizeryoh Termana - good moaning03:42
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sid_what parameter should i use for mkimage for booting from mmc?03:57
sid_mk^Cage  -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n meego -d zImage uImage03:57
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sid_morning and good night04:07
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holmesIIhelp, when I include <hal/libhal> , i got error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory04:17
holmesII. i have /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h, did I miss something?04:17
MohammadAGdo you have dbus-1 in the pkg config field?04:18
holmesIIdo you mean install it?04:18
holmesIIthe pkg?04:18
holmesIIi just buid it in a empty file.04:20
holmesIIin a .c file04:20
MohammadAGhow are you building04:20
holmesIIand just #include <hal/libhal>04:20
holmesIIgcc -o app app.c04:20
holmesIIi am using ECBOX in the virtual machine.04:20
holmesIIi downloaded the virtual image from the website and just run the virtual machine04:21
MohammadAGtry adding -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus04:21
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holmesIIin terminal or in where?04:21
holmesIIwhat is the exact command?04:21
MohammadAGgcc parameters04:21
MohammadAGgcc -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus -o app app.c04:22
holmesIIis there a space between -I and /usr?04:23
holmesIIi got the same error error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory04:24
holmesIIplease!!.  but i got go right now. i will be back.04:24
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MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ pkg-config --cflags dbus-104:28
MohammadAG-I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include04:28
MohammadAGgcc $(pkg-config --cflags dbus-1) -o app app.c04:28
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Vickao_I am not able to download from QMLTube, ran it from terminal, the error is "QMaemoICPrivate fails to watch for GConf changes in "/system/http_proxy". and above this line there are also two more errors (?)04:42
Vickao_download videos I mean.04:43
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MohammadAGfmc down?05:14
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holmesIIit seems ok now. thanks. there are some other error. i will give feedback later.05:26
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holmesIIi got another error? undefined reference to `dbus_error_init'05:54
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hiemanshumorning everyone07:16
dm8tbrgood moaning07:16
hiemanshudm8tbr: moaning?07:16
* dm8tbr yawwwwwwns07:18
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Termanahiemanshu, morning07:37
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Termanahiemanshu, heard nothing on your end I assume?07:38
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kerioshould i buy a pandora?08:58
kerioit looks really cool08:58
dm8tbrthe availability is kinda problematic I hear09:02
kerioyeah but it's like a n900 without the phone09:03
kerioand with analog sticks09:03
kerioand a bigger battery09:03
kerioand usb09:03
kerio*two* usb09:03
kerioand two sd09:03
kerioso not really like a n90009:04
dm8tbrew, it's really only a 34xx09:05
hiemanshu_anyone got MAssembly: Stylesheet missing "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libminputcontext/style/libminputcontext.css" while using the sbox SDK?09:05
hiemanshu_kerio, why not archos?09:05
dm8tbrI guess he's after the buttons09:06
keriodm8tbr: 34xx?09:06
hiemanshu_kerio, omap09:06
kerioand yeah, buttons r kewl09:06
kerioalso analog sticks and dpads09:06
dm8tbrkerio: 3530 is also 34xx basically09:06
hiemanshu_kerio, also you are talking about openpandora right?09:07
hiemanshu_just double checking :P09:07
dm8tbrwhich is the older versioni of the OMAP3. slower and moar bugs in the silicon09:07
hiemanshu_well 4.3" is really too small09:08
keriohow big is the n900?09:08
keriowell, it's supposed to be a handheld console of some sorts09:08
keriohiemanshu: no u09:09
hiemanshu_makes more sense :P09:09
kerioit really, really doesn't09:09
keriobecause to install mame on an ipod touch you have to jailbreak it and then bitch against cydia and then hope it gets updated09:09
hiemanshu_there are a lot more games for it, and angry birds <309:09
keriowhat else should i be playing?09:10
hiemanshu_angry birds09:10
hiemanshu_cut the rope, NFS, Infinity Blade09:11
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kerioguess what, as long as ff4 is there, i can play angry birds too09:11
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hiemanshu_kerio, I can go on and on naming games that are awesome for iOS09:12
kerio10630 romsets found, 10630 were OK.09:13
kerioname 1063009:13
ScifigGood evening/morning all09:14
keriohiemanshu_: not to mention that i kinda want to own my devices09:14
kerioand i mean own, not 0wn09:14
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hiemanshu_kerio, hah, well everyone has their choices :P09:15
ScifigI reinstalled scratchbox and lost my old gpg key. Now my package is rejected by builder "Can't check signature: public key not found". How do I get builder to accept my new key?09:16
kerioanyway, do you think the openpandora is kinda meh, because of the old cpu?09:17
hiemanshu_kerio, ja09:17
hiemanshu_I would get a bigger tablet instead09:18
kerio>buttons, analog sticks and dpad09:18
hiemanshu_old cpu, not buying!09:19
kerioi just want something to play dai-ou-jou on the road09:20
kerio(one of the 10630 games)09:21
hiemanshu_kerio, I have a PSP for on the road gaming09:23
hiemanshu_works perfect for me :P09:23
keriodo you think its CPU is that new?09:23
kerioalso your nick is horrible to tabcomplete, why don't you ghost hiemanshu?09:24
hiemanshu_kerio, I bought it years ago09:24
hiemanshu_kerio, because thats on quassel, and where I am right now, fucking quassel wont work :(09:24
hiemanshu_so ahve to use a ghost here09:24
keriono, i mean, /ns ghost hiemanshu09:24
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hiemanshu_kerio, I know, but I dont want to do that, that is connected to over 60-ish channels on 3 different networks09:33
keriowon't it reconnect? :|09:33
hiemanshu_it will, but I have it logging too09:33
hiemanshu_and my quassel client wont connect from where I am right now, some insane issue no idea at all :/09:34
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hiemanshukerio: ok, this works on windows, but not on linux :/09:49
kerioyou're lying09:49
keriostop lying09:49
hiemanshuhah, I wish I was09:50
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psycho_oreosany of you guys happen to have BH-905 headset? I just need the FCC ID for the device as I'm planning to mod mine somehow10:25
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JaffaMorning, all10:33
* alterego checks his order10:34
alterego"New Order" :)10:34
alteregooh well10:34
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psycho_oreosstill waiting on n8? :p10:35
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vdvis it ok to modify /ets/fstab and add there a line to mount ext3 partitiion which is on microsd? won't it brick my device?10:37
alteregoNo, got the N8 last week, now my gf has stolen it.10:38
TermanaDamn. I think I'm going insane. Time to go to the loony bin for me10:38
hiemanshualterego: hah, same here :P10:38
TermanaWhen I add a set to my program, it works like it is suppose to. When I remove that set it stops. But the set actually DOES NOTHING.10:39
hiemanshuvdv: well no, but if you boot without the microsd you can have a probkem10:39
psycho_oreosalterego, lol10:39
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hiemanshuKhertan_w: morning11:08
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vdvhiemanshu: what if i put noauto option?11:12
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
hiemanshuvdv: sure, you'll have to still do a mount -a in the terminal then11:12
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vdvi don't understand why in the instructions to configure chroot environment in this link "" two dirs are created /floppy and /sdk11:13
vdvhiemanshu: ok, thanks11:13
vdvwhy we need qmount?11:15
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vdvah, clear, we qmount sdk file to make changes in it11:22
vdvand then use modified image to do a qchroot11:23
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vdvseems i have misunderstood that chroot stuff11:40
vdvi thought, i do qchroot to some dir (which is on my microsd), and then i'm isolated from main system, and if i apt-get for example everything goes under chroot dir (which has it's own structure) and doesn't pollute main system11:41
vdvbut now i see, that the size of the dir to which i've chroot-ed is ~6Gb at the moment, while my sdcard size (on which that dir locates) is only 4Gb11:42
vdvhow can that happen?11:43
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vdvand why when i do df, i don't see which partition actually grows?11:43
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vdvhow can i "un-qchroot"?11:47
vdvsimply do exit from that shell?11:47
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: fstab on maemo5 is useless13:13
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: is the partition hardcoded?13:14
hiemanshuthats sad13:15
DocScrutinizerfstab is a generated file13:15
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DocScrutinizeryou should find a ticket on bmo, with a patch attached13:17
DocScrutinizerdunno if it's in PR1.3 or at least in CSSU13:17
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deimosjust got "your order has been sent" email. FYI my OID is 052782 made on 7 july :)13:50
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DocScrutinizerdeimos: grat13:53
* DocScrutinizer looks for the vacuum cleaner... :-S13:53
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DocScrutinizerdeimos: you should receive your DHL tracking info same time13:55
deimosnone yet13:55
DocScrutinizerit's from same dude as the OID msg13:55
* Sicelo brute force attacks ddp... to change shipping address info for OD 05278213:55
deimosgal ?13:56
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Siceloj/k ;)13:56
deimosnope, Polla Esguerra13:56
DocScrutinizerdeimos: who's sender of the mail subj: >>Ticket for order OID-052736<< ?13:57
deimosSicelo, the ddp has a military escort :)13:57
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DocScrutinizerwell, I got another mail of same addr with DHL info, tracking nr etc13:57
deimosDocScrutinizer, noreplay....#nokia13:58
* lardman is curious whether deimos will receive another email with tracking info soon13:58
deimoslardman, I will tell13:58
DocScrutinizermine took 2h from the >>ticket OID<< one13:59
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hiemanshuI am still waiting for the 'Your order has been sent'14:00
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hiemanshuand everyone who got their devices should burn in hell14:01
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: I'm in this channel every day, that's enough! I'm just booking a holiday in hell from that14:02
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hah14:02
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I am going to be like that14:02
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: its fun :P14:02
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deimosthey knocking the door !14:04
deimosits DHL !14:04
trxi got order sent 2-3 days ago14:04
trxand still no ID from DHL14:05
trxdamn DHL14:05
hiemanshutrx: email the DDP one asking for the ID14:05
DocScrutinizertrx: DHL **will not send anything to you**14:05
trxit won't?14:05
DocScrutinizertrx: DHL doesn't even know your friggin email addr14:05
lardmanappears DHL tried to deliver something today14:05
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lardmanso my wife just phoned to tell me14:06
DocScrutinizersee, you were late to ask **NOKIA** for shipping details and DHL tracking number14:06
hiemanshulardman: and?14:06
lardmanshe wasn't in14:06
trxwhy did they tell me "You will also receive an automatic email notification from the courier providing you the shipment details. " in the mail then :|14:07
DocScrutinizerdudes, it's NOKIA that will send a mail with DHL tracking number to you (or not) - never DHL for all I know14:07
hiemanshulardman: so you can just go pick it up from the center?14:08
hiemanshulardman: or do you need a tracking number for that?14:08
DocScrutinizertrx: dunno14:08
lardmanbut in my case noone will send me an email with tracking info ;)14:08
trxwell, i dont really *need* the tracking id, but it would be nice if i could see if the package is in the country or not :/14:08
lardmanhiemanshu: centre if a pita to get to, will go for a re-delivery14:08
trxso i can leave my house :)14:09
hiemanshulardman: ah ok14:09
deimosmeanwhile more then 47 has received the phone14:09
DocScrutinizerlardman: then you need to pester *NOKIA* about it, as there's nuttin probably that DHL could do14:09
lardmanhiemanshu: got a bit of card with the details through the door that can be used to re-deliver or pick up in person14:09
lardmanDocScrutinizer: I know, and I did email them14:09
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hiemanshulardman: pester em then :P14:10
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DocScrutinizerI really don't think Nokia is supposed to disclose your email to DHL14:10
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DocScrutinizerso where from should DHL know whom to mail?14:11
trxi think they do14:11
trxits not like DHL will send spam or something14:11
lcukthey might if you order a parcel of spam from somewhere14:11
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trxthat is correct :)14:12
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DocScrutinizerwell, *I* never received a DHL mail without first clicking a tracking URL or "forward that mail to DHL"(a mail as the one from *NOKIA*)14:13
trxdamn, i caught a cold :| its damn 39C arround here for like a week, wtf14:13
DocScrutinizerthe tracking number always cam from sender, never from DHL14:13
trxDocScrutinizer i guess you are right14:14
DocScrutinizerafter all that's what the tracking number is all about, otherwise you could log in to DHL with your email addr14:14
hiemanshuI am off for the rest of the day14:14
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: when I get back home, I'll book you a holiday in hell :P14:15
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: thanks, but no need for that. You do a hell of a job to make my stay here as pleasant as possible ;-P14:17
DocScrutinizertrx: aircons can do that, frequently. AC is notorious to give you a cold14:18
lardmana cold or an irritated nose?14:18
trxyeah but i dont have one here14:18
DocScrutinizerneh, hayfever14:19
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN14:19
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.07.13 1050 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.77 in. Hg (1008 hPa); Relative Humidity: 68%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT)14:20
DocScrutinizerpretty nice14:20
trxdamn i wish it was 17C here too14:20
trxinstead of 35C14:20
DocScrutinizereh? dew point14:20
trxwell, 23 isn't far :)14:21
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DocScrutinizeryeah, that's at airport - here in downtown it actually has... 28.414:21
* DocScrutinizer should have a bike ride to airport14:22
RST38hmeanwhile: Apple Stops Distributing Pedophile Mascot14:22
DocScrutinizera bady doll?14:23
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DocScrutinizerused diapers?14:24
DocScrutinizerooh mascot, not fetish14:24
RST38hthe pedobear14:24
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Shapeshifteruh guys, wasn't there a 'personal data plan monitor' widget or something to keep track of rx/tx over gprs?14:43
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ShapeshifterI can't find it14:43
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Shapeshifteroh... "personal-gprs-mon"14:44
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trxSettings/Phone/ "Home Network Data"14:44
Shapeshiftertrx: I meant the home screen widget14:45
trxoh, that14:45
trxno idea :)14:45
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vdvif i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot?14:53
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TronicIs it possible to copy&paste in the N950 terminal?15:01
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villagervdv: what, like qumount?15:31
villagervfv: I think there's closechroot15:32
villagervdv, I mean15:32
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DocScrutinizerTronic: nope15:48
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DocScrutinizervillager: I'd expect a qchroot --close or sth15:50
DocScrutinizernfc about qchroot though15:50
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villagerDocScrutinizer: no, those shell scripts don't take options... gotta use /sbin/closechroot16:00
DocScrutinizersounds like a poor design16:00
DocScrutinizerthat's what? Qt?16:01
villagerhuh? they're shell scripts, no GUI, so no Qt16:02
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villagerpresumably qchroot means "quick chroot"16:03
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trxi've sent a mail to ask for my DHL tracking number16:12
trxand they said, "yeah, sending to serbia is not easy, so they sent it to *RUSSIA*"16:13
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trxso they will send it from there...16:13
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trxthere is DHL in serbia, in like 20 cities16:14
trxthey have offices16:14
trxwhy add 2000 extra kilometers to *my* shipment16:15
Cor-Aihahaha that sucks!16:15
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trxyeap, i shouldn't have asked for tracking number, ignorance is bliss..16:16
lcuktrx more important than offices in your country is delivery vans!16:16
Termana_darn it. something is wrong with my BNC16:16
lcukunless the office itself drives down the road16:16
trxthey have delivery vans, i saw one just a week ago in my town16:17
MohammadAGTermana_, it's trolling you16:17
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DocScrutinizerhi javispedro16:30
DocScrutinizer#harmattan has infobot now :-)16:30
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javispedroit's still an abomination!16:32
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javispedrowhere are the publicly visible, google-indexed, logs?16:32
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* javispedro puts sim on n950...16:32
javispedroplan to test this afternoon on the field16:33
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infobotAll conversations are logged to Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.16:33
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DocScrutinizerpublicly visible, probably also google-indexed16:34
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javispedroprovider sent me an email congratulating me on choosing a MMS capable phone! I will now be able to enjoy interesting MMS offers and promotions!16:34
* javispedro sighs16:34
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javispedro 40416:35
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DocScrutinizerit's active since 18h, so you have to wait another few16:38
DocScrutinizerthis is no livelog16:38
Guest22706darn it16:38
DocScrutinizerwell, you're free to /join if you want "live"16:39
javispedrothere's people that like to turn the computer off =)16:39
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DocScrutinizerthe traffic isn't likely to make your client fall short of RAM in 24h16:39
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jonwiltoday was a very successful day, I grabbed all the logs I need to implement cbsms17:00
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jonwilAll I need to do now to write the implementation I have planned is to A.Find some actual information about it (e.g. from the GSM specs) that explain some of the bits I dont know and cant find out through testing and B.Find out how to attach GDB to whatever process is loading so I can debug some of whats going on in that plugin17:02
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jonwilfinding the answer to A is going to be annoying given how hard it was to find any of the specs for GSM/3G/UMTS/etc last time I looked17:08
jonwiland B will be hard because I dont know how to  attach to hildon-desktop with GDB (I think that's the binary that does the status bar gizmos) or if its even possible to do it safety :P17:10
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Sicelo~seen robbiethe1st17:17
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infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 2h 34m 26s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'.17:17
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: I can probably help a bit on A17:28
jonwilso you know of some specs on how the smscb data is actually encoded?17:29
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I looked into all that's related for your case out of own interest17:29
DocScrutinizerit seems easy17:29
DocScrutinizerI decoded it17:29
DocScrutinizerit's a normal SMS for most of the bits17:29
DocScrutinizerit's that strange 7in8 encoding17:30
jonwilyeah the actual text is no problems17:30
jonwilI am trying to figure out what the geo scope means as well as what the message code, update number and dcs mean17:30
DocScrutinizeraah, you ask about the other bits like $LANG etc?17:30
jonwilother bits beyond just the raw characters17:31
jonwilthats where I am stuck17:31
jonwilI am also wondering if there are any official specs for what the different message identifiers mean.17:31
DocScrutinizermessage code is probably about representation (popup etc), update number should help to filter out retransmits17:31
DocScrutinizerand DCS I've seen but have to look up again17:32
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jonwilI know that channel 50 is used to transmit the cell tower name17:32
DocScrutinizer(msg id) there is, I actually have it *somewhere* in my ~x GB pdf docs here17:33
jonwilbut there has to be some sort of spec that says "channel 50 is the cell tower name"17:33
DocScrutinizer(50) just convention17:33
jonwilwell someone made the decision and its been documented somewhere for everyone else to follow17:33
DocScrutinizerthere is a "suggestion" about some chan's meanings17:33
DocScrutinizerI'll try to dig out that pdf for you later17:34
jonwilin any case this doesnt really help me unless I can solve B and get a debugger inside connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so17:34
DocScrutinizerbasically most of what's been planned for smscb isn't implemented at least here in Germany. For example iirc there should be a channel index in plain text, on chan117:36
DocScrutinizerthere are weather-chan defines, as well as particular chan for (car) traffic messages17:36
DocScrutinizernone of that exists17:37
jonwilwell all I get here on Optus in .au is channel 5017:37
jonwilwith the cell tower name17:37
jonwilWhat I did find out today is that there are multiple cell towers with different IDs all squawking the same name17:38
DocScrutinizerin germany I get chan221 gaus-krueger coords on O2 carrier17:38
DocScrutinizerno cell tower names though17:38
DocScrutinizerI heard t-mobile/t-kom does city names on 50 or 10017:38
DocScrutinizeras there occasionally were tariffs for cheap calls in same city17:39
DocScrutinizersome 10 years ago ;-)17:40
jonwilI only get tower names if I switch to GSM17:41
jonwilI think few if any carriers do tower names on 3G17:41
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jonwilbecause there has been no support for it in 3G kit17:41
jonwiland there is no support for it in 3G kit because operators dont care about it17:41
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DocScrutinizeron O2 the so called home-zone (cheaper tariff) gets calculated from gauss-krueger locally on MT for display, while actual balncing is done independently based on a less precise BTS based scheme17:42
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure if there is such a thing like SMSCB on 3G. They might have scraped it from specs17:42
jonwilthere definatly is17:43
DocScrutinizerin favour of another IP centric approach17:43
jonwilat least AFAIK17:43
jonwilwikipedia says "Cell Broadcast messaging is also supported by UMTS"17:43
DocScrutinizerthat's strange then, as I don't see how O2 does their homezone calculation for display then17:44
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jonwilwikipedia also talks about an interface between the cell broadcast center to the 3G RNC17:44
DocScrutinizerprobably it got obsoleted by AGPS SUPL via UMTS which should also deliver the BTS location17:45
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jonwilwith mention of a 3gpp spec for it17:45
jonwilwell there is definatly support for CBSMS in 3G UMTS networks17:45
jonwilas in the specs support it17:45
jonwilits just a question of which networks do anything with it17:45
DocScrutinizer:nod:, never seen it happen though, here and for O2 (no investigation done for other carriers)17:46
DocScrutinizeranyway ttyl17:46
jonwilI suspect that the use of CBSMS for emergency warning and things will be made to work on 3G networks as well as GSM17:47
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DocScrutinizerfair enough18:12
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rm_workso who all actually got their devices shipped today? :P18:16
rm_workwant to know who to congratulate18:17
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* Jaffa is pissed off with Found a load of them (I think), including the obvious two the Twitter feed refreences18:17
dm8tbrrm_work: I got mine in the morning18:19
rm_workJaffa: ?18:19
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Jaffarm_work: Watch the videos from closely and enter codes at There are 12 codes remaining to be found which'll win their finder an N918:19
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JaffaUnfortunately it doesn't distinguish between right, but found and wrong code or even wrong captcha.18:20
JaffaI wouldn't mind too much if the Twitter feed at was actually updating with those that've been found. Then, at least, I could feel smug.18:21
JaffaBeing right is more important than winning :)18:21
rm_workif i weren't at work i might take a crack at it18:22
rm_worki am seeing how they work in general, i think18:22
JaffaThere seems to be one in each one18:22
JaffaAnd there's also a letter hidden in each. 'S', 'T', 'E/3', ...18:23
JaffaSince there's six videos, that leads to another one.18:23
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GAN900Randomized shipping order18:33
GAN900gotta love it18:34
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JaffaGAN900: It's also randomized device shipping.18:34
GAN900Maybe I'll get a C3!18:35
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TronicIs it possible to copy text (other than textfields) from N950 browser?18:37
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fralsnegative, no superawesome manipulation mode :<18:38
JaffaIt's also not possible to copy, paste or launch links in MeeGo Terminal18:41
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JaffaThose two limitations are surprisingly annoying18:41
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fralsterminal is in gitorious ;)18:47
Tronicfrals: Cool. Is there some good docs on how to gets started with development?18:48
fralsi guess should have everything you need18:49
TronicTHe phone had the API docs in it but that doesn't really help too much. SDK is not ready yet, I suppose (I have one for N900 only).18:49
Tronicfrals: That is a consumer site, not useful at all.18:49
fralsTronic: it got a "Developers" link18:50
griTronic: The scratchbox sdk is pretty usable in my eyes18:51
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deimoslardman, DHL email come 2:09 after the delivered email18:54
Tronicfrals: More API docs and hype, yahoo. Perhaps a more recent SDK version than what I installed a while back. No info on git repository addresses, package repositories (extras?) etc.18:54
TronicI guess I need to go browsing the forums/google myself.18:54
fralswhat git repos are you actually looking for?18:55
fralsafaik the oss stuff should eb on meego.gitorious.org18:55
TronicJust trying to get an overlook of the device. To know what there is source code available for, perhaps look or modify it to familiriaze myself with the system.18:56
fralssomething like "Harmattan overview" provided in the developer docs?18:56
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TronicGetting there...
griSomeone said a sdk update will come in the next weeks18:58
griAlso currently accounts api can only be viewed on gitorious :(18:59
x29aanybody working with the qtsdk and a local copy of qt? or would it make sense to link the path to the qt version of qtsdk/desktop?19:04
* DocScrutinizer wonders if a firmware update will come in the next weeks19:04
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DocScrutinizerit's not exactly sensible to give developers an obsolete OS19:05
fralsah give it a break, few weeks old is not obsolete19:06
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lardmandeimos: thanks, I got a dhl tracking number after contacting Nokia, but the package had already been delivered (or attempted anyway)19:08
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, track down konttori and beat it out of him.19:13
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: haha19:13
DocScrutinizerfrals: according to konttori there are 3000+ bugs fixed from what we got to recent version19:14
DocScrutinizerfrals: I'd think that's just obsolete enough to start getting annoying19:15
fralsmaybe if you consider every string fix in localization a bug19:15
DocScrutinizerthat's what konttori said, yes19:15
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fralsi have a hard time believing you or anyone else would get seriously hindered in development by event a fraction of those bugs19:17
DocScrutinizer>> konttori_home Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality19:18
fralsguess he forgot to mention 2800 of them were localization bugs ;p (number out of thin air etc etc etc)19:18
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Itschuemoin moin19:18
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GeneralAntillesfrals, things like working GTalk make it a lot easier to use as a primary device19:20
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GeneralAntillesand working phone calls, apparently.19:20
Shapeshifterwhat has working GTalk?19:21
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, not in the public image.19:21
fralsGeneralAntilles: getting it google certified would allow it to be distributed, i assume19:22
fralsand would you rather have no device at all then one without gtalk?19:22
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: but that's just IM, or voice/video as well?19:22
GeneralAntillesfrals, at the moment that's the case, so meh.19:22
Itschuehelolo ma i right that the lifeguard_reset file shows how often the specify ap ist restartet?19:22
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hiemanshuwell nokia still hasn't shipped my phone :(19:34
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Itschuei find cat 32wd_to but n900 cant open file  is this file only available whne there are min. 1 count? or i this a false argument(befehl)19:37
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Shapeshifterso how does this sound? Step 1) I put up an iphone 3GS 8gbit up for sale for around 220 euros, new, unopened. 2) If nobody buys it - meh, if somebody does -> 3) I do a new contract with a mobile provider which gives me an iphone 3gs 8gb for free. total running cost for the contract over a year: 220 euros. 4) I ship the iphone I sold earlier19:37
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SpeedEvilWhere did you get the first phone?19:38
JaffaShapeshifter: You've sold something you don't own19:38
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SpeedEvilNot true AIUI. You own the phone - you're just locked into keeping paying the contract.19:39
Shapeshifterwell it's called 'selling short'19:41
ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: there is no first phone19:41
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rm_worki get it19:42
rm_worklol interesting plan19:42
rm_workdunno if they lock the iphone to your plan somehow19:43
rm_worksince it is CDMA not GSM (right?) it will have to be programmed or something? there's no SIM? not sure how that works19:43
ShapeshifterThe upside is, I have no risk. I don't even want an iphone. But I can just sell off the phone first - (if it sells) - and then use that money to run the plan for a year. If it doesn't sell, I lost nothing except the 20 cents for the auction.19:43
Itschuehow ca i find out how often the n900 has a watchdog reset and software reset?19:43
Shapeshifterrm_work: it will have a sim lock, but I checked the going prices19:43
Shapeshifterrm_work: people still love buying their overpriced iphones19:43
ShapeshifterMy only worry is what happens if they run out of stock of iphones 3gs's just as someone commits to buying my not-yet-obtained phone19:44
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Shapeshifterwell, it wouldn't be any worse than a negative feedback on my ebay.19:44
rm_worki assume so, as long as you either refund their oney or refuse to accept it somehow19:45
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DocScrutinizer51"sorry I broke it while packagin"19:58
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: what do i need to send a message using dbus-send?20:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.questions /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions20:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: returns error Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.questions was not provided by any .service files20:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: i was hoping to send the 'total call time' via dbus signal20:01
DocScrutinizer51don't give destination20:01
DocScrutinizer51for signals20:02
DocScrutinizer51no type=methodcall20:02
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GAN900I'm going to have to expand the 2-minutes hate soon.20:03
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rm_workGAN900: ?20:08
GeneralAntillesMore and more people getting N950s.20:08
GeneralAntilles2 minutes just isn't enough time.20:08
rm_worki think i missed your "2 minutes of hate"20:09
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fredrinwhere can i get an 950?20:09
ShadowJKYou cant20:09
ShadowJKthat's why we hate20:09
DocScrutinizer51fredrin: wait two weeks, then I'll tell Nokia they can sell you mine :-) I prefer my N900 all days20:11
fredrinnot sure if i want to get an n90020:12
fredrini got two n900 now20:12
fredrincan switch though :(20:12
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fredrinhow's life by the way DocScrutinizer20:12
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer51 has a N950 and hating it :P20:13
rm_workDocScrutinizer51: you really don't like it compared to N900? that's kinda what I was afraid of20:13
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: ok, this works.  dbus-send --system    /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions20:13
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piggz_you can be a tech blogger and get one it long as you tweet irish guy who has a technology blog has been sent one20:14
hypatiahey folks, i have the AWS n900 and want to reflash with the latest image.  should i be using the NA or the Global bin?20:14
hypatiaas in aws 3G20:15
hypatiatmobile US etc20:15
hypatiaso global eh20:15
hypatiathanks :)20:16
SpeedEvilI don't think there are any cases you don't want to do global20:16
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hypatiagood to know20:18
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DocScrutinizer51always global20:27
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DocScrutinizer51localized seems always about leaving things out to comply some local legalese20:27
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rm_workhow do i tell if i'm running global or NA firmware20:31
rm_worki forget which i flashed last time20:31
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rm_workwhich kind of SD does n950 use again? guessing microSD?20:33
rm_workwait what?20:34
SiceloN950 u mean?20:35
GeneralAntillesIt's just got the 16GB built-in.20:36
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trumeehow can i restart dbus-scripts daemon?20:36
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crashanddiesup #maemo20:36
crashanddieMeego flying high still?20:36
crashanddieNokia deceived anyone lately?20:36
trumeesince /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart doesnt restart i20:37
crashanddieCanceled a project, anything?20:37
trumeelet me rephrase my question how do i restart an 'upstart'  daemon?20:38
hypatiahuh, after reboot, sdcard won't mount over usb20:38
hypatiaon 1.320:38
Venemocrashanddie, hm?20:39
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: yours sent yet?20:39
crashanddietrumee: service dbus-scripts restart?20:39
trumeecrashanddie: /bin/sh: service: not found20:39
Venemocrashanddie, they shipped da N950 before I anticipated, so I'm happy with them20:39
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: so I am not the only one, happy to know :P20:39
hiemanshuVenemo: I iz not :P20:39
crashanddietrumee: and what does /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart say?20:40
hiemanshuI am happy for different reasons, so its fine for me now :P20:40
crashanddietrumee: or stop/start for that matter20:40
crashanddietrumee: upstart should be compatible with the old sysv system.20:41
trumeecrashanddie: killall dbus-scripts did the trick20:41
crashanddieyou didn't try stop, did you?20:41
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trumeecrashanddie: no20:41
crashanddietypical :P20:41
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: Think it'll arrive in time for your passport to expire?20:42
trumeecrashanddie: 'stop' doesnt work20:42
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, probably just.20:44
crashanddiedoesn't work still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate.20:45
crashanddies/doesn't work/"doesn't work"/20:45
infobotcrashanddie meant: "doesn't work" still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate.20:45
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: how's you?20:45
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: funny you saw ZZ Top just before I did..20:45
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crashanddiegod I'm so fucking bored.20:47
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crashanddieI've been on holiday for what, a whole of 3 days, and I'm so bored I don't know what to do next.20:49
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DocScrutinizer51now the 950 GPS seems exactly like N900: no SIM no FIX20:56
merlin1991is there a proper way to query the kernel wich filesystems it can mount?20:56
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DocScrutinizer51something like /proc/fs20:57
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DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: now that's a really serious cas20:59
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, go take some pictures.20:59
DocScrutinizer51usually holiday starts when you stop feeling bored21:00
merlin1991can someone on stock kernel pasetbin the content of /proc/filesystems21:01
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GeneralAntillesMy Google21:05
GeneralAntilles+ feed is filled with Italian and Spanish.21:05
GeneralAntillesand some Japanese.21:05
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hypatiaso i reflashed, and i can't connect to mobile data - it shows up in connections, but when i go to connect it says "no saved connections available21:18
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hypatiahmm the internets suggest re-seating the sim21:25
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: i got the dbus working to show the minutes used.
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: but still havent figured out how to trap the call hangup21:26
DocScrutinizertrumee: let's see what's my mood in 30min, maybe I like to help21:28
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DocScrutinizeriirc I got some dumps of call-setup and call-teardown, as I also looked into it some 6 months ago21:29
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: sorted21:34
trumeeDocScrutinizer: found the signal and job is done21:34
trumeeDocScrutinizer: sig_call_state_ind none21:35
DocScrutinizerindeed, sounds familiar21:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer: there is a niggling issue21:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer: that signal is triggered both on sip and gsm calls. i want to trap only gsm calls21:36
DocScrutinizerhah, set a flag file on GSM call initiation21:36
DocScrutinizertouch /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM21:36
trumeeDocScrutinizer: but what do i find out if its a gsm call?21:37
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i mean what signal to trap?21:38
DocScrutinizerwill mess up when you establish_GSM, establish_SIP, teardown_SIP (here it thinks you end GSM), teardown_GSM21:38
Itschuehow can i find out how often watchdog reset the device21:39
DocScrutinizertrumee: on signal sig_call_state_ind none you check if /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM is existing. If yes ->this is a GSM call, anyway delete file21:39
DocScrutinizerItschue: every unadvertised reboot is a watchdog reboot21:39
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yes, but where do i set /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM flag?21:39
DocScrutinizeron call-setup21:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer: and how do i sense that?21:40
DocScrutinizeryou know from call-setup if you establish a GSM call21:40
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DocScrutinizerat very least from rtcomm account21:41
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i am lost21:41
DocScrutinizerI guess also from format of callee number21:41
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: i need the dbus signal for gsm call-setup21:41
DocScrutinizertrumee: ping me in an hour21:41
Itschueif the watchdog reset the device is this only viewable in the lifeguards_resets? because cat 32wd_to  n900 sys no such file or directory21:41
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# cat /proc/bootreason21:44
Itschuedocscrutinizer is cat 32wd_to possibly oder kann mann das so nicht eingeben ?21:45
trumeeDocScrutinizer: CreateRequested ?21:46
trumeeDocScrutinizer: any idea if that is for gsm only?21:47
DocScrutinizerItschue: sorry I don't know what you are planning to do21:47
DocScrutinizerwhere is that file with filename 32wd_to ?21:47
DocScrutinizertrumee: should21:47
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DocScrutinizernot sure21:48
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DocScrutinizerI *think* csd is modem-only21:48
DocScrutinizerego GSM21:48
Itschuei want to know if there is an extra xounter for 32wd_to and sw_rst /proc/bootreason is empty  and in lifestatguard_resets isnt such an entry i will know how often my device reboot by myself or an error21:48
DocScrutinizerItschue: afaik there is no such counter for general watchdog-tiimeout21:49
Itschuein dsme is only the last boot reason right?21:50
DocScrutinizeranyway a general wd_to should be *extremely* rare as it would mean you made the kernel freeze21:50
Itschueok and sw_rst21:50
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DocScrutinizeriirc you find wd_to bootreason in /var/log/syslog if you have installed syslogd21:50
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Itschueok great21:51
DocScrutinizerItschue: sw_rst is a scheduled reset by software, and thus no error at all - why should it get protocolled21:51
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piggz_Khertan_w: lo....i came across a forum post by you regarding meego/qwidget/style/rotation while trying to solve the same problem.  i sorted the style bit out, but do u know if rotation is possible?21:51
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: well, work is interesting21:52
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: either you were not ready for holiday, or vastly overdue21:52
crashanddievastly overdue21:52
crashanddieFirst days off since Decembre 24th.21:52
Itschuei want to go really sure that my deive hanst rebootet by itself because i cant watch/hear 24/721:53
DocScrutinizerthat's why I said "severe case"21:53
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: Recently we setup our own redhat network, so I've had to write all of the RPM spec files and redo most of the makefiles of the company. It's amazing how little people know of packaging and compilation.21:53
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, find a game to play?21:53
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: yeah, just did that for the last half hour21:53
GeneralAntillesFind a good book.21:54
crashanddiegf is about to come home from work though, and then we're off to go watch fireworks21:54
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: he first has to leave the office building also with his mind21:54
crashanddieBut this afternoon was hell.21:54
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: I've been doodling constantly about new ideas and features, and code implementation... Severe case as you say.21:54
DocScrutinizerno game's helping there21:54
DocScrutinizerdo some monotonous work, like digging the garden21:55
crashanddieDon't have a garden.21:55
DocScrutinizeror wood pecking21:55
crashanddieWell, I do, but it's not mine.21:55
GeneralAntillesScrub the floors.21:55
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GeneralAntillesClean your keyboard.21:55
DocScrutinizertoo much IT21:55
hiemanshuhey DocScrutinizer GeneralAntilles21:56
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: see how many times you can climb top of next skyscraper in a row21:56
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, go do 50 push ups.21:56
DocScrutinizeror that21:56
DocScrutinizerthen do some 50 more21:57
crashanddieI did the windows (the physical windows, not malware cleaning), painted the flat, changed the tyres and the oil on the bike and car, did the shopping, cleaned the freezer, fixed the bathtub...21:57
crashanddieA whole year of to-do list items, done in about 2 days.21:57
crashanddieNow what?21:57
DocScrutinizeryour's is a severe case, it needs strong prescriptions21:57
GeneralAntillesGo get smashed with the GF?21:57
crashanddieYeah, but she doesn't drink...21:57
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah, found easier solution, Terminated21:58
GeneralAntillesIt's never too late to start.21:58
DocScrutinizerthat's a god one21:58
DocScrutinizertrumee: ^^^21:58
crashanddieThe thing is, I'd love to get back into open source...21:58
crashanddieBut frankly, I can't be arsed to deal with the drama that comes with it.21:58
GeneralAntillesSounds too much like work.21:58
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if he's maybe morally obliged to kickban crashanddie for 3 days21:59
crashanddieyou do realise I can unban myself, right? :P21:59
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crashanddiethe guys at work set up an IRC server22:00
DocScrutinizerI'll convince your GF to smash your PC22:00
crashanddieMy router can surf the web :P22:00
DocScrutinizeryou're a lost case22:00
crashanddieRouter, connected to the TV, has a browser.22:01
crashanddieYou know, the one with the remote that has a gyro in it?22:01
DocScrutinizeryeah, the weird one that stands on one corner22:01
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, are you cooking dinner?22:02
DocScrutinizerdarn, that thing oughta have exploded since >3 months22:02
crashanddieNo, we're going out22:02
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I cooked last night though ;)22:02
crashanddieMaybe I should become a vigilante.22:02
GeneralAntillesFighting street crime22:03
DocScrutinizeranyway, enough of RL testing Nokia's beta HW, time for some relaxing - too hot here22:03
GeneralAntillesToo much like work.22:03
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: then I reply to your "reading books" -- too much like work.22:03
crashanddieAnd the worst part is, I can't buy any gadgets to have fun with.22:04
crashanddieI put myself on a spending diet.22:04
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crashanddieThe only week where I actually have time to do nothing, and I've got nothing to do!22:05
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, /fiction/ of course. :P22:07
crashanddieI can't.22:07
crashanddieWell, I could.22:07
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crashanddieBut I won't.22:08
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pauly__i put my n900 on Ebay!!22:26
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nmjnbgood luck with that.22:26
pauly__i know22:27
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pauly__is $275 usd or best offer good prie22:27
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nmjnbI'm not from the US so I really can't tell22:29
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nussei paid 180 euro for mine22:30
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ping22:31
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: the popup works if i run dbus-scripts --debug, but without --debug doesnt work :(22:31
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DocScrutinizernow that's kinda weird22:32
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: seems popupnotifier is never triggered even though i can see dbus messages with dbus-monitor22:32
trumeeDocScrutinizer: do you care to test?22:32
DocScrutinizernah, I care to profread maybe22:32
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ok, let me pastebin it.22:33
DocScrutinizerno use in testing things that don't work22:33
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trumeeDocScrutinizer:  is not being tiggered22:36
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DocScrutinizertrumee: you're sending  >> string:$usedminutes string:`expr $FREEMINUTES - $usedminutes` << which looks weird in itself without and ticks or ", but worse you expect uint on the other end22:40
DocScrutinizerdoesn't explain why the script isn't called without --debug22:40
DocScrutinizeraah sorry, no22:41
DocScrutinizeryou're *sending* uint to the notifier, well that may work22:41
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DocScrutinizerorg.calltimer.values.give_some_values  vs   * * org.calltimer.values give_some_values *22:43
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure about that either22:43
DocScrutinizermay be correct though22:43
DocScrutinizerI always found configuring correct triggers for dbus-scripts a PITA22:44
DocScrutinizertook me half a day first time22:44
trumeeDocScrutinizer: modified upstart of dbus-scripts to --debug and rebooted.22:45
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DocScrutinizertrumee: also make damn sure you got no garbage files in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ !22:46
DocScrutinizerI once had the "funny" idea to place a script in there as well, which ended as a dbus forkbomb22:46
DocScrutinizernow I know maemo5 kernel can handle no more than 1000some processes ;-P22:47
DocScrutinizeractually dbus-scripts daemon is a bitch regarding the trigger config files22:48
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ughh, even with dbus-scripts --debug --system  using upstart doesnt work22:49
DocScrutinizerplus iirc it has a severe flaw in that it can't match at all on one of the several components of a dbus signal22:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer: however if i do a killall -9 dbus-scripts and then do a dbus-scripts --system --debug it works!22:49
DocScrutinizerso don't you think it was related more to the way you started dbus-scripts when you first used it with --debug?22:50
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly what I thought22:50
DocScrutinizerdbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"22:50
DocScrutinizeris to session bus, no?22:50
DocScrutinizersession bus of root is inexistent22:51
DocScrutinizerprepend that dbus-send call with run-standalone.sh22:51
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yup, that could be the issue22:51
trumeeor i could do dbus-send --system i think22:52
DocScrutinizerthat *is* _an_ issue22:52
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure notifier msgs must go to session bus22:52
DocScrutinizeras you theoreticaly could have multiple sessions (aka Xservers) that all have their own notfier handling22:53
DocScrutinizerso sending a notifier dbus comand to system bus is rather meaningless, or at nest ambiguous22:54
DocScrutinizerprepend >> dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"<<22:54
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DocScrutinizerI'm doing exactly the same in improved booston script and also in some postinst script22:55
DocScrutinizerit's a known "issue"22:56
DocScrutinizerand is meant for exactly this22:56
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: yay! you were right22:59
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Itschuehello has some one a minute for me?22:59
trumeeDocScrutinizer: thanks for pointing that out23:00
DocScrutinizertrumee: yw23:02
DocScrutinizertrumee: make a nice package and mention me in the thanks ;-D23:02
Itschuedidnt find anrgrybirds in ham tryed to install via apt-get but it says handler silently failed23:02
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: ^^, most i will do is post it in tmo :)23:03
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DocScrutinizerItschue: hmm, that "handler silently failed" issue sounds somewhat familiar. I'm not sure what's the problem though, maybe somebody else can help23:04
Venemosounds vaguely familiar but I forgot the solution23:05
vdvhow can i tell maemo not to do update if internet connection becomes available?23:05
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Itschuei find its very curious since i have the n900 i didnt find angrybirds in ham many peoples sayd it is in ham23:05
Sicelovdv: it's on customizing maemo page on wiki .. i forget actual command23:06
DocScrutinizermaybe all those were wrong23:06
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: some gconftool --set commant to change time interval of updates to 1 year23:07
vdvah, right, something like that23:07
Itschuethe "handler silently failed"   i found that could be broken package but i didnt think so23:08
wazdRayman Origins engine is gonna be open-sourced!23:08
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Itschueis it possible to download angrybirds .debfile with the pc? but i didnt know from where23:09
SpeedEvilItschue: I think the n900 got moved from ham to the ovi store23:09
SpeedEviland then the ovi store died23:09
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Itschue23i hate disco23:12
Itschue23in ovi i found the angry birds level packs but didnt the game curious i think23:13
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Itschue23docscrutinizer is syslogd devel?23:14
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Itschue23doc is it sysklog?23:20
trumeeDocScrutinizer: done,
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DocScrutinizerItschue23: yes, sounds familiar23:20
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Itschue23yes it called sysklog   provides sys log daemon23:23
DocScrutinizertrumee: seems you forgot something elementary ;-)23:25
trumeeDocScrutinizer: which is?23:25
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah!23:25
trumeeDocScrutinizer: end time in database?23:26
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: tx, updated23:30
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javispedroso, who to kill to get "account-plugin-google-talk" harmattan package?23:54
javispedro(and btw, no sign of generic jabber/xmpp support...)23:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I oubt killing omebody will really help ;-)23:55
* DocScrutinizer blows sharply on s|d keys23:55
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and o/ :-)23:56
javispedrowell, field testing was ok, save for lack of gtalk..23:57
javispedrobattery is just slightly above n900's.23:57
DocScrutinizermy field testing revealed a poor GPS, as usual - without SIM inserted23:57
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DocScrutinizeryou'd think after <24h since last fix, at almost same location, under plain sky, it should get a fix a bit faster than only after 15min23:59

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