IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-07-13

GeneralAntilles	javispedro, is Fennec available?	00:00
javispedro	not in the base image	00:00
javispedro	dunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere	00:00
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vdv	where maemo stores a list of repositories? i.e. which file?	00:01
DocScrutinizer	that's it - annoying	00:01
DocScrutinizer	""dunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere""	00:01
javispedro	?	00:01
javispedro	?	00:01
jacekowski	vdv: /etc/apt/	00:01
trumee	DocScrutinizer: bot incoming and outgoing calls have the same id '1' :(	00:01
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: can you pastebin one inbound record plus one outbound record please?	00:02
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i am using sqlitebrowser to see the records atm	00:02
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vdv	jacekowski, thanks	00:03
DocScrutinizer	trumee: there has to be a diff somewhere, as the phone history displays the direction of calls. Worst thing was they use a new database for that infobit now	00:03
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: ok, to ease my life, please paste the cmdline here ;-)	00:04
GeneralAntilles	If only I could figure what order they're sending them out in.	00:04
vdv	what's the difference between "deb http://..." and "deb-src http://" ?	00:04
DocScrutinizer	I'll look up in my own databease	00:04
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: yours last	00:04
GeneralAntilles	Maybe there's a game show wheel.	00:04
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, HATE	00:04
* javispedro idly swipes on his n950		00:04
DocScrutinizer	vdv: I think the one is for source repos	00:05
jacekowski	trumee: it's not id	00:05
DocScrutinizer	I might be totally wrong	00:05
jacekowski	trumee: there was some other column for that	00:05
DocScrutinizer	trumee: you're still with us?	00:05
DocScrutinizer	trumee: meanwhile I could have studied the manpage :-P	00:06
trumee	http://pastebin.com/GuPK81tk	00:06
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trumee	jacekowski: it is the event_type_id	00:06
trumee	jacekowski: which seems to be 1 all the time	00:06
trumee	jacekowski: also the EventTypes table doesnt have an id for OUTBOUND_CALLS	00:07
DocScrutinizer	trumee: the inbound is sofiasip but maybe that's not realy relevant	00:07
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jacekowski	trumee: when i was looking at it, it worked	00:07
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yes, i would have thought both gsm and sip calls should have the same event_id	00:07
trumee	jacekowski: can you check if you have EventType for Outbound Calls?	00:08
jacekowski	trumee: my n900 is fubar now	00:08
jacekowski	i've decided to buy an iphone	00:08
jacekowski	iphone lasted me 24 months	00:09
jacekowski	n900 lasted only 14	00:09
jacekowski	it's not the same quality as it used to be	00:09
SpeedEvil	:/	00:09
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ah, there is an outgoing column	00:09
DocScrutinizer	trumee: the second last int differs 0 / 1	00:09
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yeah, that is the outgoing column	00:09
javispedro	alterego: Jaffa: GeneralAntilles: you wanted to remove developer edition branding? ;) http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950	00:09
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jacekowski	javispedro: do you want to sell your n950?	00:10
Jaffa	javispedro: heh, cool	00:10
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, two of those people you highlighted just to be a bitch.	00:10
DocScrutinizer	trumee: so you know how to tweak the SQL query?	00:10
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yes	00:10
DocScrutinizer	ok	00:10
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: MUAHAHA.	00:10
GeneralAntilles	Ah, cool.	00:10
GeneralAntilles	I had found the background watermarked images, but hadn't located the statusarea one.	00:10
javispedro	jacekowski: "NOT FOR SALE" imprinted on the device	00:11
DocScrutinizer	trumee: don't forget the updated script ;-)	00:11
DocScrutinizer	s/et/et to post/	00:11
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: trumee: don't forget to post the updated script ;-)	00:11
jacekowski	javispedro: do you want to give it to me for free?	00:11
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javispedro	hum..	00:12
* DocScrutinizer giggles		00:13
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: that printing is easy to remove - I can lend you my Dremel and a soft polish disk	00:13
javispedro	oh	00:14
GeneralAntilles	Is it painted on or embossed?	00:14
javispedro	I just looked at the back of the device I realized I still have the camera lens protector	00:14
javispedro	no wonder it made crappy pictures	00:14
DocScrutinizer	pirinted	00:14
GeneralAntilles	Ah	00:14
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: MUHAHA	00:14
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, s/imprinted/printed/	00:14
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: It move 3cm on my device	00:15
GeneralAntilles	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/imprint	00:15
DocScrutinizer	moved*	00:15
GeneralAntilles	</timeless>	00:15
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vi__	hello	00:15
vi__	how do i launch mediaplayer from cli?	00:16
DocScrutinizer	he's an ass, isn't he?	00:16
DocScrutinizer	vi__: ask MohammadAG - he should know	00:17
DocScrutinizer	vi__: there are several methods	00:17
DocScrutinizer	depending on what exactly you want to get launched	00:17
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, if only he realized how thin the ice really is. g	00:17
DocScrutinizer	:-P	00:17
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javispedro	oh, I can already hear it cracking from here =)	00:18
vdv	what does "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )"	00:18
vdv	mean?	00:18
trumee	DocScrutinizer: done. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1049732&postcount=44	00:18
DocScrutinizer	:-)	00:18
trumee	DocScrutinizer: next step is get a popup if i exceed my free minutes	00:19
Jaffa	javispedro: No baddJ references in step 2 for me	00:19
DocScrutinizer	trumee: you want to link this to the trigger that updates the call duration at end of call	00:20
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javispedro	Jaffa: sorry, "dadd-"	00:20
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ?	00:20
DocScrutinizer	trumee: then ideally send a dbus-msg with sum of minutes on each end of call	00:21
DocScrutinizer	trumee: there's a trigger (stored procedure I guess) that updates the end time of call - aiui	00:21
GAN900	it's nice having a laptop that can resume.	00:21
DocScrutinizer	inside that database	00:21
trumee	DocScrutinizer: or, i can use dbus-scripts when the phone app is invoked , check for the free minutes available and give a popup	00:22
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: ideal place to also calculate the minutes total, and send it in a dbus-signal	00:22
javispedro	vdv: if this is for extras devel, you can put "fremantle" in distribution field (without version)	00:22
Jaffa	javispedro: ta	00:22
trumee	DocScrutinizer: hmm, so the dbus signal is sent out at the end of the call rather than before i start making a new call	00:22
DocScrutinizer	trumee: that's my next suggestion then, just you listen to this signal you send from the call-end stored procedure inside the sql db trigger	00:23
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CaCO3	;)	00:23
DocScrutinizer	trumee: wouldn't it be rather useless to send a signal at start of call?	00:23
trumee	DocScrutinizer: not sure if i can send a dbus signal from the trigger function in the db	00:23
vdv	what does apt-get update do? does it update packages? or just package database?	00:23
DocScrutinizer	trumee: me neither	00:23
DocScrutinizer	but in a proper fulsize SQL it would work	00:24
trumee	DocScrutinizer: as soon as i make the outgoing call, the popup will tell me that i have exceeded the free minutes, so i can stop that call	00:24
DocScrutinizer	as SQL has a method to call e.g dbus-send ninary	00:24
DocScrutinizer	binary	00:24
javispedro	one thing I wonder is why aegis doesn't crap itself when I edit theme files	00:24
CaCO3	vdv: update => update database. upgrade => udate packages	00:24
vdv	CaCO3, thanks	00:25
DocScrutinizer	trumee: I'd prefer a signal at end of call warning me about "7 minutes left", "6..."	00:25
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: possibly because themes are not considered critical (this could be a misconception)	00:26
trumee	DocScrutinizer: right	00:26
DocScrutinizer	trumee: maybe my idea with the dbus-send from inside the stored procedure is too nifty to be elegant	00:27
DocScrutinizer	just do it as you suggested: use dbus-scripting to catch each start and end of a call, and then do whatever you like there	00:28
DocScrutinizer	way simpler to understand and to maintain	00:28
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: yeah	00:28
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Jaffa	javispedro: works perfectly :)	00:29
DocScrutinizer	trumee: you may even consider to start a while sleep 60; do... script on start of call, that checks for minutes left each minute during call, warns when minutes ->0, and gets killed on dbus-scripting sensing call-end	00:30
DocScrutinizer	so you are even safe with long calls	00:30
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javispedro	good to know :)	00:31
CaCO3	I request something for low battery	00:31
CaCO3	once it switched off during a call without a warning :(	00:31
trumee	DocScrutinizer: problem with that is that i will be holding the phone next to my ear and wont see the popup :)	00:31
CaCO3	use the fibra	00:31
DocScrutinizer	trumee: vibrator is the magic item	00:31
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i guess the phone could be made to vibrate	00:31
DocScrutinizer	LOOL	00:32
trumee	DocScrutinizer: will stick with a popup for a start	00:32
DocScrutinizer	kicking vibra it extremely simple, as simple as a popup	00:33
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what will happen if you call >> play-sound warning.wav << during a call		00:34
vdv	what's the difference between gcc-4.2 and gcc packages in SDK repository?	00:35
trumee	DocScrutinizer: any idea how do i find the dbus message for a call termination?	00:36
DocScrutinizer	use dbus-monitor?	00:36
DocScrutinizer	mompls	00:36
DocScrutinizer	http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546	00:37
DocScrutinizer	maybe helps	00:37
CaCO3	trumee: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control	00:38
DocScrutinizer	CaCO3: doesn't help as there's no dbus signals listed you could listen to, afaik	00:38
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trumee	yes, they are for sending signals not for listening	00:39
CaCO3	ups, sorry didnt read it right	00:40
DocScrutinizer	##@!!!&%đ€234!!!§$§§	00:40
DocScrutinizer	of course play-sound during call is completely muted	00:40
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CaCO3	:(	00:41
DocScrutinizer	hail PA and its awesme mixing paowers	00:41
Venemo	good evening	00:41
DocScrutinizer	hi Venemo	00:41
Venemo	DocScrutinizer, is it sarcasm, or have you really come to like PA? :P	00:41
trumee	DocScrutinizer: that message doesnt help	00:42
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: you're kidding?	00:42
CaCO3	there has to be a way to play a sound while you are calling	00:42
trumee	DocScrutinizer: it only gives the current state of the call.	00:42
CaCO3	else you coudl not be notified about another call.	00:43
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i dont want to poll the phone every minute :(	00:43
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: how much awesome mixing could be found in completely muting the play-sound output during a phonecall?	00:43
Venemo	I guess that was a decision to prevent dumb users from not hearing their calls	00:43
DocScrutinizer	trumee: sorry, I haven't looked into it, I knew I had that bookmark as it was sth I found worth a bookmark and it was related to callstate	00:44
DocScrutinizer	CaCO3: that's actually done inside the modem	00:44
CaCO3	hmm :(	00:45
CaCO3	letzt hack the HD ^^	00:45
DocScrutinizer	I still had to learn N900 signals SIP calls during a GSM call	00:45
CaCO3	HW	00:45
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DocScrutinizer	OTOH I haven't learned yet it doesn't	00:45
DocScrutinizer	so your point might still hold	00:45
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DocScrutinizer	alas all that PA crap esp alsaped is completely undocumented	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	so you had to figure from thin air and cryptic examples how to teak any of those policies - probably named cmt-audio or likewise - to allow mixing in audio to the GSM PCM stream	00:48
DocScrutinizer	check /etc/pulse/* if you want to learn more	00:50
DocScrutinizer	also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63997	00:51
DocScrutinizer	(I wonder how this guy figured his tweaks - prolly mere guesswork)	00:51
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: for now vibrator is your best effort to meet the purpose	00:53
trumee	DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=560222&postcount=8	00:53
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating	00:53
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yes, saw that.	00:54
trumee	DocScrutinizer: but i first need to figure out to trap the call hangup signal	00:54
trumee	and the last thing i want is another daemon for checking the call state	00:55
DocScrutinizer	and that post you linked shall help on that?	00:55
DocScrutinizer	meh, use dbus-monitor, there are a zillion dbus signals on call end, it's just a matter of picking the best of the abundance	00:55
Khertan	ouch 4Gb reseved for aegis	00:56
DocScrutinizer	yup	00:56
DocScrutinizer	:-S	00:56
DocScrutinizer	cool eh :-/	00:56
trumee	DocScrutinizer: dbus-monitor outputs shit loads of messages on a call end	00:56
Khertan	yep indeed	00:56
DocScrutinizer	trumee: indeed, and all of these are related to call end	00:56
DocScrutinizer	I'd check for sender=cmt or sth like that, those are rather original	00:57
Khertan	... git installed	00:58
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i am just testing with sip calls. dont want to waste my free minutes :)	00:58
trumee	DocScrutinizer: and guess sip calls generate much more dbus messages	00:58
Khertan	hum to setuptools in harmattan repository	00:59
Khertan	;(	00:59
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: made a quick script to read magnetometer output: http://pastebin.com/AMGyLELK	01:00
javispedro	(python)	01:00
* Khertan is amuzed by the fact that his QML version of khteditor look like faster on n900 than 950 :)		01:01
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: you are incredible	01:01
javispedro	wget it on n950 and run it via "python script.py" ... aegis won't complain ;)	01:01
chem\|st	has anyone tried to get "motion" running?	01:02
Khertan	does aegis will complain of thing install "manually" in /usr/lib/python/dist-packages/	01:02
Khertan	?	01:02
DocScrutinizer	MUUUHAAAHAAAAAAA	01:02
DocScrutinizer	RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# chmod +x ./compass.sh	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ./compass.sh	01:03
DocScrutinizer	-sh: ./compass.sh: Operation not permitted	01:03
DocScrutinizer	RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~#	01:03
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: it's python, not bash.	01:03
DocScrutinizer	so what?	01:03
Khertan	MUUUHAAHAHAHA Epic failed :)	01:03
javispedro	and I told you to run it via "python ..." so that aegis wouldn't complain	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	ooh	01:03
maybeHere	there should be a little trollface picture next to every "Operation not permitted"	01:03
DocScrutinizer	even more muuuhahhahaahahahaa	01:04
javispedro	ok, hit me :)	01:04
DocScrutinizer	#!/usr/bin/env python	01:04
DocScrutinizer	is not good enough for aegis	01:04
DocScrutinizer	great	01:04
chem\|st	lol	01:04
javispedro	what's not good for aegis is running, as root, a not digsig'd file.	01:04
javispedro	s/running/exec()ing	01:04
chem\|st	so everyone now moving on to 950?	01:05
cehteh	DocScrutinizer: did you noticed what i saied yesterday .. years ago some similar code-signing patch was proposed for linux but taken down as someone shown that a ld.so written in perl broke it	01:05
DocScrutinizer	no, only javispedro not moving to #harmattan ;-P	01:05
* javispedro sighs		01:05
javispedro	is that thing logged already?	01:05
DocScrutinizer	yes, semi	01:05
DocScrutinizer	soon fully	01:05
rm_work	javispedro: i agree with you though... it's probably a bad idea	01:06
rm_work	only reason i'm in it is in case i miss something <_<	01:06
rm_work	i figure if someone there asks me a question, i'll respond here	01:06
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: [2011-07-12 12:12:19] <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: I can get MeeGoBot here, but so far those logs are not public.	01:07
DocScrutinizer	[2011-07-12 12:13:03] <DocScrutinizer> I can get infobot here no problem,	01:07
javispedro	civil war!	01:08
vdv	i'm trying to do apt-get install libqt4-dev, but it fails with unresolved dependencies: libqt4-dev: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img-dev but it is not installable	01:08
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: nonsesne :-D	01:08
DocScrutinizer	that's cooperation	01:08
javispedro	secession!	01:09
DocScrutinizer	structuring	01:09
javispedro	vdv: where are you trying to do that?	01:09
vdv	on device	01:09
javispedro	..	01:09
vdv	should i do that on scratchbox? :)	01:09
javispedro	I'd say that, or on a chroot with all the SDK repos a	01:10
javispedro	nd nokia-binaries.	01:10
vdv	my intention is be able to compile and run qt application	01:11
vdv	can't i do it directly on device?	01:11
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javispedro	I suggest chroot.	01:12
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: x=140..300 z=-40..150, y=complete mess	01:13
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: that's for all possible orientations	01:13
vdv	javispedro, where should i chroot?	01:13
javispedro	vdv: read some of the on-device dev threads, like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772	01:14
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: z is failry constant here	01:14
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: ALL POSSIBLE orientations	01:15
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DocScrutinizer	face down and whatnot else	01:15
javispedro	faceup z = -120, facedown z = 90	01:15
vdv	javispedro: ok, thanks	01:16
DocScrutinizer	I'm sure my neighbours died from laughing watching me doing this dance while looking at my laptop ssh	01:16
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DocScrutinizer	I should have completely undressed for that, and ignited some black candles ;-P	01:17
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: there must be a way to retrigger calibration	01:18
javispedro	this is probably as raw as it gets.	01:18
DocScrutinizer	my calibration dance was very poor I guess	01:18
DocScrutinizer	dunno, haven't seen the DS yet for that chip	01:18
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javispedro	seemingly ak8974 for n950	01:19
javispedro	and ak8975 for n9?	01:19
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Termana	good morning	03:32
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DocScrutinizer	yoh Termana - good moaning	03:42
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sid_	hi	03:56
sid_	what parameter should i use for mkimage for booting from mmc?	03:57
sid_	mk^Cage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n meego -d zImage uImage	03:57
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MohammadAG	morning	04:06
sid_	morning and good night	04:07
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holmesII	help, when I include <hal/libhal> , i got error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory	04:17
holmesII	. i have /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h, did I miss something?	04:17
MohammadAG	do you have dbus-1 in the pkg config field?	04:18
holmesII	do you mean install it?	04:18
holmesII	the pkg?	04:18
holmesII	i just buid it in a empty file.	04:20
holmesII	in a .c file	04:20
MohammadAG	how are you building	04:20
holmesII	and just #include <hal/libhal>	04:20
holmesII	gcc -o app app.c	04:20
holmesII	i am using ECBOX in the virtual machine.	04:20
holmesII	i downloaded the virtual image from the website and just run the virtual machine	04:21
MohammadAG	try adding -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus	04:21
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holmesII	in terminal or in where?	04:21
holmesII	what is the exact command?	04:21
MohammadAG	gcc parameters	04:21
MohammadAG	gcc -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus -o app app.c	04:22
holmesII	is there a space between -I and /usr?	04:23
holmesII	i got the same error error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory	04:24
holmesII	please!!. but i got go right now. i will be back.	04:24
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MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ pkg-config --cflags dbus-1	04:28
MohammadAG	-I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include	04:28
MohammadAG	gcc $(pkg-config --cflags dbus-1) -o app app.c	04:28
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Vickao_	I am not able to download from QMLTube, ran it from terminal, the error is "QMaemoICPrivate fails to watch for GConf changes in "/system/http_proxy". and above this line there are also two more errors (?)	04:42
Vickao_	download videos I mean.	04:43
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MohammadAG	fmc down?	05:14
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holmesII	it seems ok now. thanks. there are some other error. i will give feedback later.	05:26
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holmesII	i got another error? undefined reference to `dbus_error_init'	05:54
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hiemanshu	morning everyone	07:16
dm8tbr	good moaning	07:16
hiemanshu	dm8tbr: moaning?	07:16
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Termana	hiemanshu, morning	07:37
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Termana	hiemanshu, heard nothing on your end I assume?	07:38
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kerio	should i buy a pandora?	08:58
kerio	it looks really cool	08:58
dm8tbr	the availability is kinda problematic I hear	09:02
kerio	yeah but it's like a n900 without the phone	09:03
kerio	and with analog sticks	09:03
kerio	and a bigger battery	09:03
kerio	and usb	09:03
kerio	two usb	09:03
kerio	and two sd	09:03
kerio	so not really like a n900	09:04
dm8tbr	ew, it's really only a 34xx	09:05
hiemanshu_	anyone got MAssembly: Stylesheet missing "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libminputcontext/style/libminputcontext.css" while using the sbox SDK?	09:05
hiemanshu_	kerio, why not archos?	09:05
dm8tbr	I guess he's after the buttons	09:06
kerio	dm8tbr: 34xx?	09:06
hiemanshu_	ah	09:06
hiemanshu_	kerio, omap	09:06
kerio	and yeah, buttons r kewl	09:06
kerio	also analog sticks and dpads	09:06
dm8tbr	kerio: 3530 is also 34xx basically	09:06
hiemanshu_	kerio, also you are talking about openpandora right?	09:07
kerio	yeah	09:07
hiemanshu_	ah	09:07
hiemanshu_	just double checking :P	09:07
dm8tbr	which is the older versioni of the OMAP3. slower and moar bugs in the silicon	09:07
kerio	:(	09:07
hiemanshu_	well 4.3" is really too small	09:08
kerio	how big is the n900?	09:08
hiemanshu_	3.5	09:08
kerio	3.5	09:08
kerio	jinx!	09:08
hiemanshu_	:P	09:08
kerio	well, it's supposed to be a handheld console of some sorts	09:08
hiemanshu_	kerio, http://www.tipb.com/2011/07/12/icontrolpad-handheld-gaming-controller-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch/	09:09
kerio	hiemanshu: no u	09:09
hiemanshu_	makes more sense :P	09:09
kerio	it really, really doesn't	09:09
kerio	because to install mame on an ipod touch you have to jailbreak it and then bitch against cydia and then hope it gets updated	09:09
hiemanshu_	there are a lot more games for it, and angry birds <3	09:09
hiemanshu_	mame?	09:10
kerio	mame!	09:10
kerio	what else should i be playing?	09:10
hiemanshu_	mame?	09:10
hiemanshu_	angry birds	09:10
kerio	chrome.angrybirds.com	09:11
hiemanshu_	cut the rope, NFS, Infinity Blade	09:11
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kerio	guess what, as long as ff4 is there, i can play angry birds too	09:11
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hiemanshu_	kerio, I can go on and on naming games that are awesome for iOS	09:12
kerio	indeed	09:13
kerio	10630 romsets found, 10630 were OK.	09:13
kerio	name 10630	09:13
Scifig	Good evening/morning all	09:14
kerio	hiemanshu_: not to mention that i kinda want to own my devices	09:14
kerio	and i mean own, not 0wn	09:14
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hiemanshu_	kerio, hah, well everyone has their choices :P	09:15
Scifig	I reinstalled scratchbox and lost my old gpg key. Now my package is rejected by builder "Can't check signature: public key not found". How do I get builder to accept my new key?	09:16
kerio	anyway, do you think the openpandora is kinda meh, because of the old cpu?	09:17
hiemanshu_	kerio, ja	09:17
kerio	:(	09:17
hiemanshu_	I would get a bigger tablet instead	09:18
kerio	>tablet	09:18
kerio	>buttons, analog sticks and dpad	09:18
kerio	DOES NOT COMPUTE	09:18
hiemanshu_	old cpu, not buying!	09:19
kerio	i just want something to play dai-ou-jou on the road	09:20
kerio	(one of the 10630 games)	09:21
hiemanshu_	dai-ou-jou?	09:21
hiemanshu_	kerio, I have a PSP for on the road gaming	09:23
hiemanshu_	works perfect for me :P	09:23
kerio	do you think its CPU is that new?	09:23
kerio	hiemanshu_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtFkpldJSpY	09:23
kerio	also your nick is horrible to tabcomplete, why don't you ghost hiemanshu?	09:24
hiemanshu_	kerio, I bought it years ago	09:24
hiemanshu_	kerio, because thats on quassel, and where I am right now, fucking quassel wont work :(	09:24
hiemanshu_	so ahve to use a ghost here	09:24
kerio	no, i mean, /ns ghost hiemanshu	09:24
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hiemanshu_	kerio, I know, but I dont want to do that, that is connected to over 60-ish channels on 3 different networks	09:33
kerio	won't it reconnect? :\|	09:33
hiemanshu_	it will, but I have it logging too	09:33
hiemanshu_	and my quassel client wont connect from where I am right now, some insane issue no idea at all :/	09:34
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hiemanshu	kerio: ok, this works on windows, but not on linux :/	09:49
kerio	you're lying	09:49
kerio	stop lying	09:49
hiemanshu	hah, I wish I was	09:50
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psycho_oreos	any of you guys happen to have BH-905 headset? I just need the FCC ID for the device as I'm planning to mod mine somehow	10:25
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:33
alterego	Aloha	10:34
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alterego	"New Order" :)	10:34
alterego	oh well	10:34
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psycho_oreos	morn	10:35
psycho_oreos	still waiting on n8? :p	10:35
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vdv	is it ok to modify /ets/fstab and add there a line to mount ext3 partitiion which is on microsd? won't it brick my device?	10:37
alterego	No, got the N8 last week, now my gf has stolen it.	10:38
Termana	Damn. I think I'm going insane. Time to go to the loony bin for me	10:38
hiemanshu	alterego: hah, same here :P	10:38
Termana	When I add a set to my program, it works like it is suppose to. When I remove that set it stops. But the set actually DOES NOTHING.	10:39
hiemanshu	vdv: well no, but if you boot without the microsd you can have a probkem	10:39
psycho_oreos	alterego, lol	10:39
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Khertan_w	mornig	11:06
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hiemanshu	Khertan_w: morning	11:08
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vdv	hiemanshu: what if i put noauto option?	11:12
vdv	~chroot	11:12
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html	11:12
hiemanshu	vdv: sure, you'll have to still do a mount -a in the terminal then	11:12
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vdv	i don't understand why in the instructions to configure chroot environment in this link "http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-71139.html" two dirs are created /floppy and /sdk	11:13
vdv	hiemanshu: ok, thanks	11:13
vdv	why we need qmount?	11:15
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vdv	ah, clear, we qmount sdk file to make changes in it	11:22
vdv	and then use modified image to do a qchroot	11:23
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vdv	seems i have misunderstood that chroot stuff	11:40
vdv	i thought, i do qchroot to some dir (which is on my microsd), and then i'm isolated from main system, and if i apt-get for example everything goes under chroot dir (which has it's own structure) and doesn't pollute main system	11:41
vdv	but now i see, that the size of the dir to which i've chroot-ed is ~6Gb at the moment, while my sdcard size (on which that dir locates) is only 4Gb	11:42
vdv	how can that happen?	11:43
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vdv	and why when i do df, i don't see which partition actually grows?	11:43
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vdv	how can i "un-qchroot"?	11:47
vdv	simply do exit from that shell?	11:47
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DocScrutinizer	hiemanshu: fstab on maemo5 is useless	13:13
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: is the partition hardcoded?	13:14
DocScrutinizer	yes	13:14
hiemanshu	thats sad	13:15
DocScrutinizer	fstab is a generated file	13:15
hiemanshu	ah	13:15
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DocScrutinizer	you should find a ticket on bmo, with a patch attached	13:17
DocScrutinizer	dunno if it's in PR1.3 or at least in CSSU	13:17
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deimos	just got "your order has been sent" email. FYI my OID is 052782 made on 7 july :)	13:50
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DocScrutinizer	deimos: grat	13:53
DocScrutinizer	great	13:53
* DocScrutinizer looks for the vacuum cleaner... :-S		13:53
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deimos	ehe	13:54
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DocScrutinizer	deimos: you should receive your DHL tracking info same time	13:55
deimos	none yet	13:55
DocScrutinizer	it's from same dude as the OID msg	13:55
DocScrutinizer	gal?	13:55
* Sicelo brute force attacks ddp... to change shipping address info for OD 052782		13:55
Sicelo	*OID	13:55
deimos	gal ?	13:56
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DocScrutinizer	joan	13:56
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Sicelo	j/k ;)	13:56
deimos	nope, Polla Esguerra	13:56
DocScrutinizer	deimos: who's sender of the mail subj: >>Ticket for order OID-052736<< ?	13:57
DocScrutinizer	ok	13:57
deimos	Sicelo, the ddp has a military escort :)	13:57
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DocScrutinizer	well, I got another mail of same addr with DHL info, tracking nr etc	13:57
deimos	DocScrutinizer, noreplay....#nokia	13:58
* lardman is curious whether deimos will receive another email with tracking info soon		13:58
deimos	lardman, I will tell	13:58
DocScrutinizer	mine took 2h from the >>ticket OID<< one	13:59
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hiemanshu	I am still waiting for the 'Your order has been sent'	14:00
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hiemanshu	and everyone who got their devices should burn in hell	14:01
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DocScrutinizer	hiemanshu: I'm in this channel every day, that's enough! I'm just booking a holiday in hell from that	14:02
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: hah	14:02
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: I am going to be like that	14:02
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: its fun :P	14:02
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deimos	they knocking the door !	14:04
deimos	its DHL !	14:04
hiemanshu	really?	14:04
deimos	mehe	14:04
trx	i got order sent 2-3 days ago	14:04
trx	and still no ID from DHL	14:05
trx	damn DHL	14:05
hiemanshu	trx: email the DDP one asking for the ID	14:05
DocScrutinizer	trx: DHL will not send anything to you	14:05
trx	it won't?	14:05
DocScrutinizer	trx: DHL doesn't even know your friggin email addr	14:05
lardman	lol	14:05
lardman	appears DHL tried to deliver something today	14:05
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lardman	so my wife just phoned to tell me	14:06
DocScrutinizer	see, you were late to ask NOKIA for shipping details and DHL tracking number	14:06
hiemanshu	lardman: and?	14:06
lardman	she wasn't in	14:06
trx	why did they tell me "You will also receive an automatic email notification from the courier providing you the shipment details. " in the mail then :\|	14:07
DocScrutinizer	dudes, it's NOKIA that will send a mail with DHL tracking number to you (or not) - never DHL for all I know	14:07
hiemanshu	lardman: so you can just go pick it up from the center?	14:08
hiemanshu	lardman: or do you need a tracking number for that?	14:08
DocScrutinizer	trx: dunno	14:08
lardman	but in my case noone will send me an email with tracking info ;)	14:08
trx	well, i dont really need the tracking id, but it would be nice if i could see if the package is in the country or not :/	14:08
lardman	hiemanshu: centre if a pita to get to, will go for a re-delivery	14:08
trx	so i can leave my house :)	14:09
lardman	s/if/is	14:09
hiemanshu	lardman: ah ok	14:09
deimos	meanwhile more then 47 has received the phone	14:09
DocScrutinizer	lardman: then you need to pester NOKIA about it, as there's nuttin probably that DHL could do	14:09
lardman	hiemanshu: got a bit of card with the details through the door that can be used to re-deliver or pick up in person	14:09
lardman	DocScrutinizer: I know, and I did email them	14:09
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hiemanshu	lardman: pester em then :P	14:10
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DocScrutinizer	I really don't think Nokia is supposed to disclose your email to DHL	14:10
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DocScrutinizer	so where from should DHL know whom to mail?	14:11
trx	i think they do	14:11
trx	its not like DHL will send spam or something	14:11
lcuk	they might if you order a parcel of spam from somewhere	14:11
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trx	lol	14:12
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trx	that is correct :)	14:12
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DocScrutinizer	well, I never received a DHL mail without first clicking a tracking URL or "forward that mail to DHL"(a mail as the one from NOKIA)	14:13
trx	damn, i caught a cold :\| its damn 39C arround here for like a week, wtf	14:13
DocScrutinizer	the tracking number always cam from sender, never from DHL	14:13
trx	DocScrutinizer i guess you are right	14:14
DocScrutinizer	after all that's what the tracking number is all about, otherwise you could log in to DHL with your email addr	14:14
hiemanshu	I am off for the rest of the day	14:14
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: when I get back home, I'll book you a holiday in hell :P	14:15
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DocScrutinizer	hiemanshu: thanks, but no need for that. You do a hell of a job to make my stay here as pleasant as possible ;-P	14:17
DocScrutinizer	trx: aircons can do that, frequently. AC is notorious to give you a cold	14:18
lardman	a cold or an irritated nose?	14:18
trx	yeah but i dont have one here	14:18
trx	nose	14:18
DocScrutinizer	neh, hayfever	14:19
DocScrutinizer	~weather EDDN	14:19
infobot	Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.07.13 1050 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.77 in. Hg (1008 hPa); Relative Humidity: 68%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT)	14:20
trx	17C	14:20
trx	?	14:20
DocScrutinizer	pretty nice	14:20
trx	o_O	14:20
trx	damn i wish it was 17C here too	14:20
trx	instead of 35C	14:20
DocScrutinizer	eh? dew point	14:20
trx	oh	14:20
trx	well, 23 isn't far :)	14:21
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, that's at airport - here in downtown it actually has... 28.4	14:21
* DocScrutinizer should have a bike ride to airport		14:22
RST38h	meanwhile: Apple Stops Distributing Pedophile Mascot	14:22
trx	lol	14:23
DocScrutinizer	a bady doll?	14:23
DocScrutinizer	baby	14:23
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DocScrutinizer	used diapers?	14:24
DocScrutinizer	ooh mascot, not fetish	14:24
RST38h	the pedobear	14:24
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Shapeshifter	uh guys, wasn't there a 'personal data plan monitor' widget or something to keep track of rx/tx over gprs?	14:43
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Shapeshifter	I can't find it	14:43
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Shapeshifter	oh... "personal-gprs-mon"	14:44
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trx	Settings/Phone/ "Home Network Data"	14:44
Shapeshifter	trx: I meant the home screen widget	14:45
trx	oh, that	14:45
trx	no idea :)	14:45
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vdv	if i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot?	14:53
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Tronic	Is it possible to copy&paste in the N950 terminal?	15:01
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villager	vdv: what, like qumount?	15:31
villager	vfv: I think there's closechroot	15:32
villager	vdv, I mean	15:32
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DocScrutinizer	Tronic: nope	15:48
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DocScrutinizer	villager: I'd expect a qchroot --close or sth	15:50
DocScrutinizer	nfc about qchroot though	15:50
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villager	DocScrutinizer: no, those shell scripts don't take options... gotta use /sbin/closechroot	16:00
DocScrutinizer	sounds like a poor design	16:00
DocScrutinizer	that's what? Qt?	16:01
villager	huh? they're shell scripts, no GUI, so no Qt	16:02
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villager	presumably qchroot means "quick chroot"	16:03
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trx	omg	16:12
trx	i've sent a mail to ask for my DHL tracking number	16:12
trx	and they said, "yeah, sending to serbia is not easy, so they sent it to RUSSIA"	16:13
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trx	so they will send it from there...	16:13
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trx	there is DHL in serbia, in like 20 cities	16:14
trx	they have offices	16:14
Cor-Ai	haha	16:14
trx	why add 2000 extra kilometers to my shipment	16:15
trx	:/	16:15
Cor-Ai	hahaha that sucks!	16:15
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trx	yeap, i shouldn't have asked for tracking number, ignorance is bliss..	16:16
lcuk	trx more important than offices in your country is delivery vans!	16:16
Termana_	darn it. something is wrong with my BNC	16:16
lcuk	unless the office itself drives down the road	16:16
trx	they have delivery vans, i saw one just a week ago in my town	16:17
MohammadAG	Termana_, it's trolling you	16:17
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DocScrutinizer	hi javispedro	16:30
DocScrutinizer	#harmattan has infobot now :-)	16:30
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javispedro	it's still an abomination!	16:32
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javispedro	where are the publicly visible, google-indexed, logs?	16:32
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* javispedro puts sim on n950...		16:32
javispedro	plan to test this afternoon on the field	16:33
DocScrutinizer	\o/	16:33
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javispedro	oh.	16:33
DocScrutinizer	~logs	16:33
infobot	All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.	16:33
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DocScrutinizer	publicly visible, probably also google-indexed	16:34
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javispedro	provider sent me an email congratulating me on choosing a MMS capable phone! I will now be able to enjoy interesting MMS offers and promotions!	16:34
* javispedro sighs		16:34
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javispedro	http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ 404	16:35
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DocScrutinizer	it's active since 18h, so you have to wait another few	16:38
DocScrutinizer	this is no livelog	16:38
javispedro	buaaaaaaaaah	16:38
Guest22706	darn it	16:38
DocScrutinizer	well, you're free to /join if you want "live"	16:39
javispedro	there's people that like to turn the computer off =)	16:39
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DocScrutinizer	the traffic isn't likely to make your client fall short of RAM in 24h	16:39
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jonwil	today was a very successful day, I grabbed all the logs I need to implement cbsms	17:00
SpeedEvil	:):)	17:00
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jonwil	All I need to do now to write the implementation I have planned is to A.Find some actual information about it (e.g. from the GSM specs) that explain some of the bits I dont know and cant find out through testing and B.Find out how to attach GDB to whatever process is loading connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so so I can debug some of whats going on in that plugin	17:02
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jonwil	finding the answer to A is going to be annoying given how hard it was to find any of the specs for GSM/3G/UMTS/etc last time I looked	17:08
jonwil	and B will be hard because I dont know how to attach to hildon-desktop with GDB (I think that's the binary that does the status bar gizmos) or if its even possible to do it safety :P	17:10
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Sicelo	~seen robbiethe1st	17:17
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infobot	robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-34-223-199.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 2h 34m 26s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'.	17:17
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DocScrutinizer	jonwil: I can probably help a bit on A	17:28
jonwil	so you know of some specs on how the smscb data is actually encoded?	17:29
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: ...as I looked into all that's related for your case out of own interest	17:29
DocScrutinizer	it seems easy	17:29
DocScrutinizer	I decoded it	17:29
DocScrutinizer	it's a normal SMS for most of the bits	17:29
DocScrutinizer	it's that strange 7in8 encoding	17:30
jonwil	yeah the actual text is no problems	17:30
jonwil	I am trying to figure out what the geo scope means as well as what the message code, update number and dcs mean	17:30
DocScrutinizer	aah, you ask about the other bits like $LANG etc?	17:30
jonwil	yes	17:31
jonwil	other bits beyond just the raw characters	17:31
jonwil	thats where I am stuck	17:31
jonwil	I am also wondering if there are any official specs for what the different message identifiers mean.	17:31
DocScrutinizer	message code is probably about representation (popup etc), update number should help to filter out retransmits	17:31
DocScrutinizer	and DCS I've seen but have to look up again	17:32
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jonwil	I know that channel 50 is used to transmit the cell tower name	17:32
DocScrutinizer	(msg id) there is, I actually have it somewhere in my ~x GB pdf docs here	17:33
jonwil	but there has to be some sort of spec that says "channel 50 is the cell tower name"	17:33
DocScrutinizer	(50) just convention	17:33
jonwil	well someone made the decision and its been documented somewhere for everyone else to follow	17:33
DocScrutinizer	there is a "suggestion" about some chan's meanings	17:33
DocScrutinizer	I'll try to dig out that pdf for you later	17:34
jonwil	in any case this doesnt really help me unless I can solve B and get a debugger inside connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so	17:34
jonwil	:)	17:34
DocScrutinizer	basically most of what's been planned for smscb isn't implemented at least here in Germany. For example iirc there should be a channel index in plain text, on chan1	17:36
DocScrutinizer	there are weather-chan defines, as well as particular chan for (car) traffic messages	17:36
DocScrutinizer	none of that exists	17:37
jonwil	well all I get here on Optus in .au is channel 50	17:37
jonwil	with the cell tower name	17:37
jonwil	What I did find out today is that there are multiple cell towers with different IDs all squawking the same name	17:38
DocScrutinizer	in germany I get chan221 gaus-krueger coords on O2 carrier	17:38
DocScrutinizer	no cell tower names though	17:38
DocScrutinizer	I heard t-mobile/t-kom does city names on 50 or 100	17:38
DocScrutinizer	as there occasionally were tariffs for cheap calls in same city	17:39
DocScrutinizer	some 10 years ago ;-)	17:40
jonwil	I only get tower names if I switch to GSM	17:41
jonwil	I think few if any carriers do tower names on 3G	17:41
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jonwil	because there has been no support for it in 3G kit	17:41
jonwil	and there is no support for it in 3G kit because operators dont care about it	17:41
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DocScrutinizer	on O2 the so called home-zone (cheaper tariff) gets calculated from gauss-krueger locally on MT for display, while actual balncing is done independently based on a less precise BTS based scheme	17:42
DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure if there is such a thing like SMSCB on 3G. They might have scraped it from specs	17:42
jonwil	there definatly is	17:43
DocScrutinizer	in favour of another IP centric approach	17:43
jonwil	at least AFAIK	17:43
jonwil	wikipedia says "Cell Broadcast messaging is also supported by UMTS"	17:43
DocScrutinizer	that's strange then, as I don't see how O2 does their homezone calculation for display then	17:44
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jonwil	wikipedia also talks about an interface between the cell broadcast center to the 3G RNC	17:44
DocScrutinizer	probably it got obsoleted by AGPS SUPL via UMTS which should also deliver the BTS location	17:45
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jonwil	with mention of a 3gpp spec for it	17:45
jonwil	well there is definatly support for CBSMS in 3G UMTS networks	17:45
jonwil	as in the specs support it	17:45
jonwil	its just a question of which networks do anything with it	17:45
DocScrutinizer	:nod:, never seen it happen though, here and for O2 (no investigation done for other carriers)	17:46
DocScrutinizer	anyway ttyl	17:46
DocScrutinizer	o/	17:46
jonwil	cya	17:46
jonwil	I suspect that the use of CBSMS for emergency warning and things will be made to work on 3G networks as well as GSM	17:47
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DocScrutinizer	fair enough	18:12
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rm_work	so who all actually got their devices shipped today? :P	18:16
rm_work	want to know who to congratulate	18:17
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* Jaffa is pissed off with n9seconds.com. Found a load of them (I think), including the obvious two the Twitter feed refreences		18:17
dm8tbr	rm_work: I got mine in the morning	18:19
rm_work	Jaffa: ?	18:19
Jaffa	rm_work: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/13/crack-some-codes-win-a-nokia-n9-competition-n9seconds/	18:19
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Jaffa	rm_work: Watch the videos from youtube.com/nokia closely and enter codes at n9seconds.com. There are 12 codes remaining to be found which'll win their finder an N9	18:19
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Jaffa	Unfortunately it doesn't distinguish between right, but found and wrong code or even wrong captcha.	18:20
rm_work	lol	18:20
Jaffa	I wouldn't mind too much if the Twitter feed at twitter.com/n9seconds was actually updating with those that've been found. Then, at least, I could feel smug.	18:21
Jaffa	Being right is more important than winning :)	18:21
rm_work	lol	18:22
rm_work	if i weren't at work i might take a crack at it	18:22
rm_work	i am seeing how they work in general, i think	18:22
Jaffa	There seems to be one in each one	18:22
Jaffa	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050225#post1050225	18:22
Jaffa	And there's also a letter hidden in each. 'S', 'T', 'E/3', ...	18:23
Jaffa	Since there's six videos, that leads to another one.	18:23
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GAN900	Randomized shipping order	18:33
GAN900	gotta love it	18:34
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Jaffa	GAN900: It's also randomized device shipping.	18:34
GAN900	Maybe I'll get a C3!	18:35
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Tronic	Is it possible to copy text (other than textfields) from N950 browser?	18:37
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frals	negative, no superawesome manipulation mode :<	18:38
Jaffa	It's also not possible to copy, paste or launch links in MeeGo Terminal	18:41
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Jaffa	Those two limitations are surprisingly annoying	18:41
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frals	terminal is in gitorious ;)	18:47
Tronic	frals: Cool. Is there some good docs on how to gets started with development?	18:48
frals	i guess swipe.nokia.com should have everything you need	18:49
Tronic	THe phone had the API docs in it but that doesn't really help too much. SDK is not ready yet, I suppose (I have one for N900 only).	18:49
Tronic	frals: That is a consumer site, not useful at all.	18:49
frals	Tronic: it got a "Developers" link	18:50
frals	Tronic: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/	18:50
gri	Tronic: The scratchbox sdk is pretty usable in my eyes	18:51
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deimos	lardman, DHL email come 2:09 after the delivered email	18:54
Tronic	frals: More API docs and hype, yahoo. Perhaps a more recent SDK version than what I installed a while back. No info on git repository addresses, package repositories (extras?) etc.	18:54
Tronic	I guess I need to go browsing the forums/google myself.	18:54
frals	what git repos are you actually looking for?	18:55
frals	afaik the oss stuff should eb on meego.gitorious.org	18:55
Tronic	Just trying to get an overlook of the device. To know what there is source code available for, perhaps look or modify it to familiriaze myself with the system.	18:56
Tronic	*overview	18:56
frals	something like "Harmattan overview" provided in the developer docs?	18:56
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Tronic	Getting there... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html	18:58
gri	Someone said a sdk update will come in the next weeks	18:58
gri	Also currently accounts api can only be viewed on gitorious :(	18:59
x29a	anybody working with the qtsdk and a local copy of qt? or would it make sense to link the path to the qt version of qtsdk/desktop?	19:04
* DocScrutinizer wonders if a firmware update will come in the next weeks		19:04
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DocScrutinizer	it's not exactly sensible to give developers an obsolete OS	19:05
frals	ah give it a break, few weeks old is not obsolete	19:06
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lardman	deimos: thanks, I got a dhl tracking number after contacting Nokia, but the package had already been delivered (or attempted anyway)	19:08
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, track down konttori and beat it out of him.	19:13
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: haha	19:13
DocScrutinizer	frals: according to konttori there are 3000+ bugs fixed from what we got to recent version	19:14
DocScrutinizer	frals: I'd think that's just obsolete enough to start getting annoying	19:15
frals	3000?	19:15
frals	maybe if you consider every string fix in localization a bug	19:15
DocScrutinizer	that's what konttori said, yes	19:15
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frals	i have a hard time believing you or anyone else would get seriously hindered in development by event a fraction of those bugs	19:17
DocScrutinizer	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-02.log.html#t2011-07-02T00:02:15	19:17
DocScrutinizer	>> konttori_home Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality	19:18
frals	guess he forgot to mention 2800 of them were localization bugs ;p (number out of thin air etc etc etc)	19:18
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Itschue	moin moin	19:18
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GeneralAntilles	frals, things like working GTalk make it a lot easier to use as a primary device	19:20
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GeneralAntilles	and working phone calls, apparently.	19:20
Shapeshifter	what has working GTalk?	19:21
Shapeshifter	N950?	19:21
GeneralAntilles	Shapeshifter, not in the public image.	19:21
frals	GeneralAntilles: getting it google certified would allow it to be distributed, i assume	19:22
frals	and would you rather have no device at all then one without gtalk?	19:22
Shapeshifter	GeneralAntilles: but that's just IM, or voice/video as well?	19:22
GeneralAntilles	frals, at the moment that's the case, so meh.	19:22
Itschue	helolo ma i right that the lifeguard_reset file shows how often the specify ap ist restartet?	19:22
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DocScrutinizer	yes	19:27
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hiemanshu	haha	19:34
hiemanshu	well nokia still hasn't shipped my phone :(	19:34
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Itschue	i find cat 32wd_to but n900 cant open file is this file only available whne there are min. 1 count? or i this a false argument(befehl)	19:37
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Shapeshifter	so how does this sound? Step 1) I put up an iphone 3GS 8gbit up for sale for around 220 euros, new, unopened. 2) If nobody buys it - meh, if somebody does -> 3) I do a new contract with a mobile provider which gives me an iphone 3gs 8gb for free. total running cost for the contract over a year: 220 euros. 4) I ship the iphone I sold earlier	19:37
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SpeedEvil	Where did you get the first phone?	19:38
Jaffa	Shapeshifter: You've sold something you don't own	19:38
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SpeedEvil	Not true AIUI. You own the phone - you're just locked into keeping paying the contract.	19:39
Shapeshifter	well it's called 'selling short'	19:41
Shapeshifter	SpeedEvil: there is no first phone	19:41
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rm_work	ah	19:42
rm_work	i get it	19:42
rm_work	lol interesting plan	19:42
rm_work	dunno if they lock the iphone to your plan somehow	19:43
rm_work	since it is CDMA not GSM (right?) it will have to be programmed or something? there's no SIM? not sure how that works	19:43
Shapeshifter	The upside is, I have no risk. I don't even want an iphone. But I can just sell off the phone first - (if it sells) - and then use that money to run the plan for a year. If it doesn't sell, I lost nothing except the 20 cents for the auction.	19:43
Itschue	how ca i find out how often the n900 has a watchdog reset and software reset?	19:43
Shapeshifter	rm_work: it will have a sim lock, but I checked the going prices	19:43
Shapeshifter	rm_work: people still love buying their overpriced iphones	19:43
rm_work	lol	19:44
Shapeshifter	My only worry is what happens if they run out of stock of iphones 3gs's just as someone commits to buying my not-yet-obtained phone	19:44
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Shapeshifter	well, it wouldn't be any worse than a negative feedback on my ebay.	19:44
rm_work	i assume so, as long as you either refund their oney or refuse to accept it somehow	19:45
rm_work	*money	19:46
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DocScrutinizer51	"sorry I broke it while packagin"	19:58
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: what do i need to send a message using dbus-send?	20:00
trumee	DocScrutinizer51: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.questions /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions	20:00
trumee	DocScrutinizer51: returns error Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.questions was not provided by any .service files	20:00
trumee	DocScrutinizer51: i was hoping to send the 'total call time' via dbus signal	20:01
DocScrutinizer51	don't give destination	20:01
DocScrutinizer51	for signals	20:02
DocScrutinizer51	no type=methodcall	20:02
DocScrutinizer51	bbl	20:02
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GAN900	I'm going to have to expand the 2-minutes hate soon.	20:03
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rm_work	GAN900: ?	20:08
GeneralAntilles	More and more people getting N950s.	20:08
GeneralAntilles	2 minutes just isn't enough time.	20:08
rm_work	lol	20:08
rm_work	i think i missed your "2 minutes of hate"	20:09
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fredrin	where can i get an 950?	20:09
ShadowJK	You cant	20:09
ShadowJK	that's why we hate	20:09
fredrin	:(	20:09
fredrin	hayte	20:09
DocScrutinizer51	fredrin: wait two weeks, then I'll tell Nokia they can sell you mine :-) I prefer my N900 all days	20:11
fredrin	not sure if i want to get an n900	20:12
fredrin	i got two n900 now	20:12
fredrin	can switch though :(	20:12
fredrin	:)	20:12
fredrin	err	20:12
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fredrin	how's life by the way DocScrutinizer	20:12
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer51 has a N950 and hating it :P	20:13
rm_work	DocScrutinizer51: you really don't like it compared to N900? that's kinda what I was afraid of	20:13
trumee	DocScrutinizer51: ok, this works. dbus-send --system /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions	20:13
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piggz_	you can be a tech blogger and get one it seems..so long as you tweet enough...an irish guy who has a technology blog has been sent one	20:14
hypatia	hey folks, i have the AWS n900 and want to reflash with the latest image. should i be using the NA or the Global bin?	20:14
SpeedEvil	global	20:14
SpeedEvil	AWS?/	20:14
hypatia	as in aws 3G	20:15
hypatia	tmobile US etc	20:15
hypatia	so global eh	20:15
SpeedEvil	ah	20:16
SpeedEvil	yes	20:16
hypatia	thanks :)	20:16
SpeedEvil	I don't think there are any cases you don't want to do global	20:16
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hypatia	good to know	20:18
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DocScrutinizer51	always global	20:27
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DocScrutinizer51	localized seems always about leaving things out to comply some local legalese	20:27
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rm_work	how do i tell if i'm running global or NA firmware	20:31
rm_work	i forget which i flashed last time	20:31
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rm_work	which kind of SD does n950 use again? guessing microSD?	20:33
Sicelo	none	20:34
Sicelo	afaik	20:34
rm_work	wait what?	20:34
Sicelo	N950 u mean?	20:35
GeneralAntilles	None	20:35
GeneralAntilles	It's just got the 16GB built-in.	20:36
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trumee	how can i restart dbus-scripts daemon?	20:36
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crashanddie	sup #maemo	20:36
crashanddie	Meego flying high still?	20:36
crashanddie	Nokia deceived anyone lately?	20:36
trumee	since /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart doesnt restart i	20:37
crashanddie	Canceled a project, anything?	20:37
trumee	let me rephrase my question how do i restart an 'upstart' daemon?	20:38
hypatia	huh, after reboot, sdcard won't mount over usb	20:38
hypatia	on 1.3	20:38
Venemo	crashanddie, hm?	20:39
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: yours sent yet?	20:39
crashanddie	trumee: service dbus-scripts restart?	20:39
GeneralAntilles	Nope	20:39
trumee	crashanddie: /bin/sh: service: not found	20:39
Venemo	crashanddie, they shipped da N950 before I anticipated, so I'm happy with them	20:39
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: so I am not the only one, happy to know :P	20:39
hiemanshu	Venemo: I iz not :P	20:39
crashanddie	trumee: and what does /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart say?	20:40
hiemanshu	I am happy for different reasons, so its fine for me now :P	20:40
crashanddie	trumee: or stop/start for that matter	20:40
crashanddie	trumee: upstart should be compatible with the old sysv system.	20:41
trumee	crashanddie: killall dbus-scripts did the trick	20:41
crashanddie	you didn't try stop, did you?	20:41
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trumee	crashanddie: no	20:41
crashanddie	typical :P	20:41
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: Think it'll arrive in time for your passport to expire?	20:42
trumee	crashanddie: 'stop' doesnt work	20:42
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, probably just.	20:44
crashanddie	doesn't work still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate.	20:45
crashanddie	s/doesn't work/"doesn't work"/	20:45
infobot	crashanddie meant: "doesn't work" still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate.	20:45
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: how's you?	20:45
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: funny you saw ZZ Top just before I did..	20:45
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crashanddie	god I'm so fucking bored.	20:47
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crashanddie	I've been on holiday for what, a whole of 3 days, and I'm so bored I don't know what to do next.	20:49
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DocScrutinizer51	now the 950 GPS seems exactly like N900: no SIM no FIX	20:56
merlin1991	is there a proper way to query the kernel wich filesystems it can mount?	20:56
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DocScrutinizer51	yes	20:57
DocScrutinizer51	something like /proc/fs	20:57
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DocScrutinizer51	crashanddie: now that's a really serious cas	20:59
DocScrutinizer51	case	20:59
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, go take some pictures.	20:59
DocScrutinizer51	usually holiday starts when you stop feeling bored	21:00
merlin1991	can someone on stock kernel pasetbin the content of /proc/filesystems	21:01
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GeneralAntilles	My Google	21:05
GeneralAntilles	+ feed is filled with Italian and Spanish.	21:05
GeneralAntilles	and some Japanese.	21:05
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hypatia	so i reflashed, and i can't connect to mobile data - it shows up in connections, but when i go to connect it says "no saved connections available	21:18
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hypatia	hmm the internets suggest re-seating the sim	21:25
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trumee	DocScrutinizer51: i got the dbus working to show the minutes used. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5934006565/in/photostream	21:26
trumee	DocScrutinizer51: but still havent figured out how to trap the call hangup	21:26
DocScrutinizer	trumee: let's see what's my mood in 30min, maybe I like to help	21:28
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DocScrutinizer	iirc I got some dumps of call-setup and call-teardown, as I also looked into it some 6 months ago	21:29
DocScrutinizer	l8r	21:29
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trumee	DocScrutinizer51: sorted	21:34
DocScrutinizer	:-D	21:34
trumee	DocScrutinizer: found the signal and job is done	21:34
DocScrutinizer	how?	21:34
trumee	DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none	21:35
DocScrutinizer	indeed, sounds familiar	21:35
trumee	DocScrutinizer: there is a niggling issue	21:35
DocScrutinizer	?	21:35
trumee	DocScrutinizer: that signal is triggered both on sip and gsm calls. i want to trap only gsm calls	21:36
DocScrutinizer	hah, set a flag file on GSM call initiation	21:36
DocScrutinizer	touch /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM	21:36
trumee	DocScrutinizer: but what do i find out if its a gsm call?	21:37
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i mean what signal to trap?	21:38
DocScrutinizer	will mess up when you establish_GSM, establish_SIP, teardown_SIP (here it thinks you end GSM), teardown_GSM	21:38
Itschue	how can i find out how often watchdog reset the device	21:39
DocScrutinizer	trumee: on signal com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none you check if /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM is existing. If yes ->this is a GSM call, anyway delete file	21:39
DocScrutinizer	Itschue: every unadvertised reboot is a watchdog reboot	21:39
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yes, but where do i set /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM flag?	21:39
DocScrutinizer	on call-setup	21:40
trumee	DocScrutinizer: and how do i sense that?	21:40
DocScrutinizer	you know from call-setup if you establish a GSM call	21:40
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DocScrutinizer	at very least from rtcomm account	21:41
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i am lost	21:41
DocScrutinizer	I guess also from format of callee number	21:41
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: i need the dbus signal for gsm call-setup	21:41
DocScrutinizer	trumee: ping me in an hour	21:41
Itschue	if the watchdog reset the device is this only viewable in the lifeguards_resets? because cat 32wd_to n900 sys no such file or directory	21:41
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# cat /proc/bootreason	21:44
DocScrutinizer	pwr_key	21:44
Itschue	docscrutinizer is cat 32wd_to possibly oder kann mann das so nicht eingeben ?	21:45
trumee	DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.csd.Call CreateRequested ?	21:46
trumee	DocScrutinizer: any idea if that is for gsm only?	21:47
DocScrutinizer	Itschue: sorry I don't know what you are planning to do	21:47
DocScrutinizer	where is that file with filename 32wd_to ?	21:47
DocScrutinizer	trumee: should	21:47
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DocScrutinizer	err	21:48
DocScrutinizer	not sure	21:48
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DocScrutinizer	I think csd is modem-only	21:48
DocScrutinizer	ego GSM	21:48
Itschue	i want to know if there is an extra xounter for 32wd_to and sw_rst /proc/bootreason is empty and in lifestatguard_resets isnt such an entry i will know how often my device reboot by myself or an error	21:48
DocScrutinizer	Itschue: afaik there is no such counter for general watchdog-tiimeout	21:49
Itschue	in dsme is only the last boot reason right?	21:50
DocScrutinizer	anyway a general wd_to should be extremely rare as it would mean you made the kernel freeze	21:50
Itschue	ok and sw_rst	21:50
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DocScrutinizer	iirc you find wd_to bootreason in /var/log/syslog if you have installed syslogd	21:50
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Itschue	ok great	21:51
DocScrutinizer	Itschue: sw_rst is a scheduled reset by software, and thus no error at all - why should it get protocolled	21:51
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piggz_	Khertan_w: lo....i came across a forum post by you regarding meego/qwidget/style/rotation while trying to solve the same problem. i sorted the style bit out, but do u know if rotation is possible?	21:51
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: well, work is interesting	21:52
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: either you were not ready for holiday, or vastly overdue	21:52
crashanddie	vastly overdue	21:52
crashanddie	First days off since Decembre 24th.	21:52
Itschue	i want to go really sure that my deive hanst rebootet by itself because i cant watch/hear 24/7	21:53
DocScrutinizer	that's why I said "severe case"	21:53
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: Recently we setup our own redhat network, so I've had to write all of the RPM spec files and redo most of the makefiles of the company. It's amazing how little people know of packaging and compilation.	21:53
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, find a game to play?	21:53
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: yeah, just did that for the last half hour	21:53
GeneralAntilles	Find a good book.	21:54
crashanddie	gf is about to come home from work though, and then we're off to go watch fireworks	21:54
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: he first has to leave the office building also with his mind	21:54
crashanddie	But this afternoon was hell.	21:54
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: I've been doodling constantly about new ideas and features, and code implementation... Severe case as you say.	21:54
DocScrutinizer	no game's helping there	21:54
DocScrutinizer	do some monotonous work, like digging the garden	21:55
crashanddie	Don't have a garden.	21:55
DocScrutinizer	or wood pecking	21:55
crashanddie	Well, I do, but it's not mine.	21:55
GeneralAntilles	Scrub the floors.	21:55
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crashanddie	Done.	21:55
DocScrutinizer	ibdeed	21:55
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GeneralAntilles	Clean your keyboard.	21:55
crashanddie	Done.	21:55
DocScrutinizer	nah!!!	21:55
DocScrutinizer	no	21:55
DocScrutinizer	too much IT	21:55
hiemanshu	hey DocScrutinizer GeneralAntilles	21:56
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: see how many times you can climb top of next skyscraper in a row	21:56
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, go do 50 push ups.	21:56
DocScrutinizer	or that	21:56
DocScrutinizer	then do some 50 more	21:57
crashanddie	I did the windows (the physical windows, not malware cleaning), painted the flat, changed the tyres and the oil on the bike and car, did the shopping, cleaned the freezer, fixed the bathtub...	21:57
crashanddie	A whole year of to-do list items, done in about 2 days.	21:57
crashanddie	Now what?	21:57
DocScrutinizer	your's is a severe case, it needs strong prescriptions	21:57
GeneralAntilles	Go get smashed with the GF?	21:57
crashanddie	Yeah, but she doesn't drink...	21:57
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ah, found easier solution, com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance Terminated	21:58
GeneralAntilles	It's never too late to start.	21:58
DocScrutinizer	that's a god one	21:58
DocScrutinizer	good*	21:58
DocScrutinizer	trumee: ^^^	21:58
crashanddie	The thing is, I'd love to get back into open source...	21:58
crashanddie	But frankly, I can't be arsed to deal with the drama that comes with it.	21:58
DocScrutinizer	HAH	21:58
GeneralAntilles	Sounds too much like work.	21:58
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DocScrutinizer	:-P	21:59
crashanddie	you do realise I can unban myself, right? :P	21:59
DocScrutinizer	grrr	22:00
DocScrutinizer	XP	22:00
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crashanddie	the guys at work set up an IRC server	22:00
DocScrutinizer	I'll convince your GF to smash your PC	22:00
crashanddie	My router can surf the web :P	22:00
DocScrutinizer	WTF?!	22:00
DocScrutinizer	you're a lost case	22:00
crashanddie	Router, connected to the TV, has a browser.	22:01
crashanddie	You know, the one with the remote that has a gyro in it?	22:01
DocScrutinizer	yeah, the weird one that stands on one corner	22:01
crashanddie	yeah	22:01
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, are you cooking dinner?	22:02
DocScrutinizer	darn, that thing oughta have exploded since >3 months	22:02
crashanddie	No, we're going out	22:02
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: I cooked last night though ;)	22:02
crashanddie	Maybe I should become a vigilante.	22:02
GeneralAntilles	Fighting street crime	22:03
DocScrutinizer	anyway, enough of RL testing Nokia's beta HW, time for some relaxing - too hot here	22:03
GeneralAntilles	Too much like work.	22:03
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: then I reply to your "reading books" -- too much like work.	22:03
DocScrutinizer	o/	22:03
crashanddie	And the worst part is, I can't buy any gadgets to have fun with.	22:04
crashanddie	I put myself on a spending diet.	22:04
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crashanddie	The only week where I actually have time to do nothing, and I've got nothing to do!	22:05
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, /fiction/ of course. :P	22:07
crashanddie	I can't.	22:07
crashanddie	Well, I could.	22:07
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crashanddie	But I won't.	22:08
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pauly__	i put my n900 on Ebay!!	22:26
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nmjnb	good luck with that.	22:26
pauly__	i know	22:27
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pauly__	is $275 usd or best offer good prie	22:27
pauly__	price	22:27
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nmjnb	I'm not from the US so I really can't tell	22:29
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nusse	i paid 180 euro for mine	22:30
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ping	22:31
DocScrutinizer	yoh	22:31
DocScrutinizer	wazzup?	22:31
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: the popup works if i run dbus-scripts --debug, but without --debug doesnt work :(	22:31
DocScrutinizer	duh	22:31
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DocScrutinizer	now that's kinda weird	22:32
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: seems popupnotifier is never triggered even though i can see dbus messages with dbus-monitor	22:32
trumee	DocScrutinizer: do you care to test?	22:32
DocScrutinizer	nah, I care to profread maybe	22:32
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ok, let me pastebin it.	22:33
DocScrutinizer	no use in testing things that don't work	22:33
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/U7KnpU6z	22:35
trumee	DocScrutinizer: calltimerpopup.sh is not being tiggered	22:36
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: you're sending >> string:$usedminutes string:`expr $FREEMINUTES - $usedminutes` << which looks weird in itself without and ticks or ", but worse you expect uint on the other end	22:40
DocScrutinizer	doesn't explain why the script isn't called without --debug	22:40
DocScrutinizer	aah sorry, no	22:41
DocScrutinizer	you're sending uint to the notifier, well that may work	22:41
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DocScrutinizer	org.calltimer.values.give_some_values vs * * org.calltimer.values give_some_values *	22:43
DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure about that either	22:43
DocScrutinizer	may be correct though	22:43
DocScrutinizer	I always found configuring correct triggers for dbus-scripts a PITA	22:44
DocScrutinizer	took me half a day first time	22:44
trumee	DocScrutinizer: modified upstart of dbus-scripts to --debug and rebooted.	22:45
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: also make damn sure you got no garbage files in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ !	22:46
DocScrutinizer	I once had the "funny" idea to place a script in there as well, which ended as a dbus forkbomb	22:46
DocScrutinizer	now I know maemo5 kernel can handle no more than 1000some processes ;-P	22:47
DocScrutinizer	actually dbus-scripts daemon is a bitch regarding the trigger config files	22:48
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ughh, even with dbus-scripts --debug --system using upstart doesnt work	22:49
DocScrutinizer	plus iirc it has a severe flaw in that it can't match at all on one of the several components of a dbus signal	22:49
DocScrutinizer	mhm	22:49
trumee	DocScrutinizer: however if i do a killall -9 dbus-scripts and then do a run-standalone.sh dbus-scripts --system --debug it works!	22:49
DocScrutinizer	so don't you think it was related more to the way you started dbus-scripts when you first used it with --debug?	22:50
DocScrutinizer	yes, exactly what I thought	22:50
DocScrutinizer	dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"	22:50
DocScrutinizer	is to session bus, no?	22:50
DocScrutinizer	session bus of root is inexistent	22:51
DocScrutinizer	basically	22:51
DocScrutinizer	prepend that dbus-send call with run-standalone.sh	22:51
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yup, that could be the issue	22:51
trumee	or i could do dbus-send --system i think	22:52
DocScrutinizer	that is _an_ issue	22:52
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DocScrutinizer	I'm sure notifier msgs must go to session bus	22:52
DocScrutinizer	as you theoreticaly could have multiple sessions (aka Xservers) that all have their own notfier handling	22:53
DocScrutinizer	so sending a notifier dbus comand to system bus is rather meaningless, or at nest ambiguous	22:54
DocScrutinizer	prepend >>run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"<<	22:54
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DocScrutinizer	I'm doing exactly the same in improved booston script and also in some postinst script	22:55
DocScrutinizer	it's a known "issue"	22:56
DocScrutinizer	and run-standalone.sh is meant for exactly this	22:56
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: yay! you were right	22:59
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Itschue	hello has some one a minute for me?	22:59
trumee	DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointing that out	23:00
DocScrutinizer	trumee: yw	23:02
DocScrutinizer	trumee: make a nice package and mention me in the thanks ;-D	23:02
Itschue	didnt find anrgrybirds in ham tryed to install via apt-get but it says handler silently failed	23:02
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: ^^, most i will do is post it in tmo :)	23:03
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DocScrutinizer	Itschue: hmm, that "handler silently failed" issue sounds somewhat familiar. I'm not sure what's the problem though, maybe somebody else can help	23:04
Venemo	sounds vaguely familiar but I forgot the solution	23:05
vdv	how can i tell maemo not to do update if internet connection becomes available?	23:05
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Itschue	i find its very curious since i have the n900 i didnt find angrybirds in ham many peoples sayd it is in ham	23:05
Sicelo	vdv: it's on customizing maemo page on wiki .. i forget actual command	23:06
DocScrutinizer	maybe all those were wrong	23:06
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DocScrutinizer	Sicelo: some gconftool --set commant to change time interval of updates to 1 year	23:07
DocScrutinizer	command*	23:07
vdv	ah, right, something like that	23:07
vdv	thanks	23:07
Itschue	the "handler silently failed" i found that could be broken package but i didnt think so	23:08
wazd	wooow	23:08
wazd	Rayman Origins engine is gonna be open-sourced!	23:08
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Itschue	is it possible to download angrybirds .debfile with the pc? but i didnt know from where	23:09
SpeedEvil	Itschue: I think the n900 got moved from ham to the ovi store	23:09
SpeedEvil	and then the ovi store died	23:09
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Itschue23	i hate disco	23:12
Itschue23	in ovi i found the angry birds level packs but didnt the game curious i think	23:13
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Itschue23	docscrutinizer is syslogd devel?	23:14
DocScrutinizer	Itschue23: http://maemo.org/packages/	23:16
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Itschue23	doc is it sysklog?	23:20
trumee	DocScrutinizer: done, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050432#post1050432	23:20
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DocScrutinizer	Itschue23: yes, sounds familiar	23:20
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Itschue23	yes it called sysklog provides sys log daemon	23:23
Itschue23	sysklogd	23:23
DocScrutinizer	trumee: seems you forgot something elementary ;-)	23:25
trumee	DocScrutinizer: which is?	23:25
trumee	DocScrutinizer: ah!	23:25
DocScrutinizer	:-D	23:26
trumee	DocScrutinizer: end time in database?	23:26
DocScrutinizer	yup	23:26
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: tx, updated	23:30
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javispedro	so, who to kill to get "account-plugin-google-talk" harmattan package?	23:54
javispedro	(and btw, no sign of generic jabber/xmpp support...)	23:55
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: I oubt killing omebody will really help ;-)	23:55
* DocScrutinizer blows sharply on s\|d keys		23:55
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: and o/ :-)	23:56
javispedro	well, field testing was ok, save for lack of gtalk..	23:57
javispedro	battery is just slightly above n900's.	23:57
DocScrutinizer	my field testing revealed a poor GPS, as usual - without SIM inserted	23:57
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DocScrutinizer	you'd think after <24h since last fix, at almost same location, under plain sky, it should get a fix a bit faster than only after 15min	23:59

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