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| javispedro | that was in barcelona?? | 02:05 |
| * javispedro does not even recognize the place | 02:05 | |
| javispedro | and what the hell is t-mobile doing here? | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if in harmattan there's a better camera functionality and API, to use all the camera functions (or an arbitrary subset) in own apps like barcode-reader or whatever, and also to build additional functionality into default camera app as a plugin rather than reinventing the whole app just to add dunno blink detection for example, or smile-detection, or autoshoot when camera is really horizontal | 02:50 |
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| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: some of that is implemented in qtmobility i believe | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | but it gets more complicated if you just want an app that can take a picture and then use it (eg, for a social network app where you append a picture to your post) | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably should, natural place where the API aka widget stuff should live. What however about the plugin extensions for the full camera app gui? | 03:05 |
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| ieatlint | the qtmobility support doesn't provide you with a gui configuration interface like the default camera app does | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 03:05 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i know in symbian you have to do a crazy ghetto thing where you launch the camera app with certain switches to save the picture to a temp file, and then when it returns you load the temp file | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g. we weren't able to even implement a friggin simple timer shot into fremantle's stock camera | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | wouldn't surprise me if a similar thing had to be done for harmattan | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | yeah, you could do that with qtmobility -- but there wouldn't be a gui to configure the camera settings (zoom, "scene mode", flash, iso, exposure) unless you implemented it yourself -- there are api calls for these settings, as i recall, but the camera widget doesn't include a gui for it | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | so for something like a barcode reader, it's no problem | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the widget is incomplete | 03:08 |
| ieatlint | but if you want the user to take a real photo and then use it in your app, you're going to have to do something ugly | 03:08 |
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| ieatlint | i love 4th of july weekend, i get to play the "gunshots or illegal fireworks?" game | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the widget in QtM should be so comprehensive the the whole camera app binary is just a call to that widget, with prior setup of used/enabled properties, like callback for photo_taken, set gui_touchfocus_used=1, etc | 03:11 |
| ieatlint | "should" ;) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUST :-) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 03:12 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 03:12 |
| ieatlint | well, qtmobility's api supposedly supports all features found in the n9/50 camera app (from what i've seen in videos) | 03:13 |
| ieatlint | it's very possible they implemented the app in qtm | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | in N9(50) the camera has such an abundance of extremely cute and complex functionality, you can't reimplement all this in every app that needs to "take pictures" | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | but i'd have to review the harmattan apis better to see if they somehow provide a real camera widget that doesn't force you to reinvent the wheel | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | exactly | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | plus, consistancy of UI would never be fully replicated | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | and that would be a MAJOR issue | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Depends how it's done | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - face recognition may be in a DSP blob | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how what's done? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | And that sort of thing. | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how would you re-use it in your own app? if widget doesn't support it | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but it's still something they could provide access to via a harmattan specific widget | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Being able to swap the face recogniser for a streetsign recogniser, or ... | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:17 |
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| ieatlint | which wouldn't make code portable though.. | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter if it's portable, as the camera isn't either | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I see we're all on same page though | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but it's something they could've tried to put into qtmobility | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | looking over the harmattan widgets now, not seeing any additional camera stuff | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a complex camera widget opject, with lots of parameters that configure each possible aspect of the GUI, and a callback to plug in handlers for each and every possible event or sub-object | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/opj/obj/ | 03:20 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: a complex camera widget object, with lots of parameters that configure each possible aspect of the GUI, and a callback to plug in handlers for each and every possible event or sub-object | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | what qtm has for cameras is correct | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | but there should also be something like QCameraSimple that just uses a prebuilt widget with the main camera app's UI | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | and it should just have a signal for when a picture is taken and so forth | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | interesting... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=maemo-meegotouch-interfaces&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9tYWVtby1tZWVnb3RvdWNoLWludGVyZmFjZXM%3D | 03:21 |
| ieatlint | CameraInterface class | 03:21 |
| ieatlint | that's it | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 03:22 |
| javispedro | it's actually for launching the app | 03:22 |
| user0 | DocScrutinizer : worth installing the chromium port? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | see swipe guides for "app interlaunching" or whatever is called | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but it provides signals for when pictures are taken | 03:22 |
| user0 | or is it buggy as hell? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | void captureCompleted (const QString &mode, const QString &fileName) | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: that URL gives me a rather nonsensy page | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | root of api docs | 03:23 |
| ieatlint | bah, ok | 03:23 |
| ieatlint | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/ | 03:23 |
| ieatlint | look at "Application Framework" and "maemo-meegotouch-interfaces" | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | under the class lists you'll find CameraInterface | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | related to my yesterday's rant about datepicker widget: there should be a method in CalendarInterface Class called tDate CalendarDatePicker() that opens calendar (with all appointments, birthdays, whatnot) in week or month view (selectable by call parameter), and instead of creating a new appointment by clicking on a date, the user just returns that very date he picked to the caller of this method | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | DEFINITELY smater than any friggin slotmachine ;-) | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | smarter even | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: found it, thanks. Disappointing :-/ | 03:37 |
| ieatlint | meh... it's not ideal, but it's an actual method | 03:38 |
| ieatlint | better than others i've had to use | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems you couldn't even trigger an actual capture | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | for e.g. starting up with video capture already running | 03:39 |
| ieatlint | you can with the qtmobility api | 03:39 |
| ieatlint | but then you don't have the UI for the user | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or doing a timer shot... still impossible to implement if it's missing in stock app | 03:40 |
| ieatlint | actually the mode thing is unclear | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 03:40 |
| ieatlint | it may be that one of the modes is that... it doesn't say | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and Qt had a nice method with signals and slots to add such things like "shoot now" | 03:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: btw, the qml datepicker that intel made for the tablet ux... is a calendar widget. | 03:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if Qt is actually using dbus for their signals/slots concept. Or if that's again a reinventing-the-wheel thing | 03:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: \o/ | 03:43 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think you're overstimating what signals/slots is | 03:43 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it does not IPC at all, usually (but qdbus does map signals/slots to dbus ipc calls) | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I'm simplifying what dbus is ;-) | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (calendar) still my idea as of above is brilliant ;-) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no better calendar based datepicker than THE calendar | 03:45 |
| javispedro | it might confuse | 03:45 |
| javispedro | I still think a calendar widget is best, maybe with that color dots thing to simbolize existing calendar appointments if you find that useful | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends - sure you need a hint in calendar that it's in picker mode, not in full featured app mode | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably you should disable switching to ToDo list when in picker mode | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and swiping calendar away should return NULL to the method call rather than put the picker into the task switcher ;-D | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | clearly first | 03:48 |
| javispedro | ok, agreed. | 03:49 |
| javispedro | and with this I call it a day | 03:49 |
| javispedro | gnite! | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nite! | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, I just took the padlock lower-right corner of FF for a full integral helmet - time for afk ;-P | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought "erhm, helmet == security. Strange but reasonable" | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 04:08 |
| infobot | Transaction-based software configuration management system. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/, or a language agnostic scriptable window manager URL: http://aegis.thegraveyard.org | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, all 404 | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis-old is Transaction-based software configuration management system. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/, or a language agnostic scriptable window manager URL: http://aegis.thegraveyard.org | 04:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget aegis | 04:10 |
| infobot | i forgot aegis, DocScrutinizer | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide | 04:10 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis is also "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." | 04:19 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 04:20 |
| infobot | [aegis] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism | 04:24 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 04:24 |
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| jonwil | I think I have finally figured out the best answer to reverse engineer MCE. What I will do is to take the earliest revision of the MeeGo git MCE tree and compile that as-is with the Fremantle X86 SDK. Then by comparing those binaries with the Fremantle MCE binaries I can identify just what has changed and hopefully come up with some usable source code that somehow matches | 05:07 |
| jonwil | matches Fremantle MCE | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - interestin | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: which assumes the mce X86 binary that ships with SB (if any) isn't a adapted version that's meant to run on desktop PC and has nothing in common with the ARMEL version that's for the N900 | 05:12 |
| jonwil | analysis so far shows it isnt that different | 05:12 |
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| jonwil | I do note that the Harmattan MCE x86 binaries from scratchbox and the Harmattan ARMEL binaries dont seem to differ, nor does the source code I have contain anything that checks the CPU type | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt desktop qemu X86 mce that comes with fremantle SDK (I still feel puzzled if there's such a thing at all) for sure won't deal with things like kbd backlight and ALS and proxy sensor, as those things don't exist on a PC | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I think it's probably more snae to compare the ARMEL binary as shipped with fremantle image to a ARMEL build on fremantle SDK of harmattan mce | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I still doubt there's such a thing like a fremantle X86 mce binary at all | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there is, then it's probably a dumy | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dummy* | 05:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | It could be useful with appropriate dummy x86 drivers | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | So you could do dev before you have the hw up | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you probably don't want dsme/upstart fail on starting mce, and maybe you even want dbus msgs to "mce" answered properly, but I doubt it implements whatever flavour of LED patterns actually | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, at lwast locate reveals /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/mce/mce.ini | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | least* | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still have concerns it's definitely not on same codebase as the ARMEL one | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, maybe I got something completely wrong, as noth are identical size: | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 19031 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/mce/mce.ini | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 19031 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/mce/mce.ini | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Cunning | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | err sorry | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for bed | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ll /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/*/sbin/mce | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jr users 80760 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/sbin/mce | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > mce --help | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Usage: mce [OPTION]... | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped | 05:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, ok. mce segfaults on both SB and N900 ;-P | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and version is also absolutely same | 05:48 |
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| jonwil | ok, I now have a compiled x86 binary to play with | 06:00 |
| jonwil | alongside the Fremantle SDK version | 06:00 |
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| jonwil | ok, lets start with some of the MCE plugins as those are likely to be simple | 06:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, should work on x86 | 06:13 |
| MohammadAG | weird feeling when you're wasted and you close your eyes for a bit | 06:13 |
| MohammadAG | woke up after 5h with the sun in my face | 06:13 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, time to go on with that, night | 06:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oh and tip, --debug | 06:14 |
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| jonwil | ok, so far so good, filter-brightness-simple.c seems to be identical to Harmattan code with one exception and so far datapipe.c seems to be identical | 06:28 |
| fredrin | DocScrutinizer, you should work | 06:30 |
| fredrin | where's Dave? | 06:31 |
| jonwil | yep, no changes to datapipe.c that would break things | 06:33 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like I need to rebuild my MCE compile without logging as the MCE binary I have from Fremantle has no logging | 06:55 |
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| Termana | good morning | 06:55 |
| jonwil | actually no | 06:57 |
| jonwil | I dont need to | 06:57 |
| jonwil | I can just ignore the logging | 06:57 |
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| pauly | anyone wanna buy a good condition n900 | 07:10 |
| pauly | in usa! | 07:10 |
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| pauly | ok lol | 07:12 |
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| pauly | anyone wanna buy a good condition n900 | 07:16 |
| hiemanshu | sure, but I am in india :P | 07:21 |
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| pauly | would u want me to ship it? | 07:27 |
| pauly | hiemanshu: want me to ship ir to you? | 07:28 |
| hiemanshu | well it depends how much the shipping and the phone would cost | 07:28 |
| hiemanshu | pauly: PM? | 07:28 |
| pauly | hiemanshu: 320 usd? | 07:31 |
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| jonwil | so far so good, less changes between Fremantle MCE and Harmattan MCE than I thought | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fine, so maybe we can simply replace the fremantle one ? | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm puzzled, is harmattan mce FOSS? | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do you refer to meegoCE mce? | 08:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer ownders how much mce would need to adapt to N950 hw, for harmattan | 08:23 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, all N950 RDA offline | 08:32 |
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| dm8tbr | mood groaning | 08:41 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hm, so guys: How do I run a shell on a specific terminal instance? | 09:47 |
| robbiethe1st | So, I'm connecting via a serial port, and I want to launch an instance of sh connected to /dev/tty0 | 09:47 |
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| robbiethe1st | or, tty1 anyway | 09:48 |
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| Choom | you'll have to write a wrapper to act as login and call sh with that as controlling terminal, I guess | 09:55 |
| alterego | robbiethe1st: /etc/inittab | 09:56 |
| alterego | run agetty on ttySP | 09:56 |
| alterego | run agetty on ttyS0 | 09:56 |
| alterego | even | 09:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm, that could do it... | 09:56 |
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| alterego | That's how it's normally done :P | 09:57 |
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| Choom | didn't know there was a getty on my phone :P | 09:57 |
| Choom | I've never seen its console | 09:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Um, I can give you the command to setup a USB-serial console with it, if you wish | 09:57 |
| alterego | Hurp, there is no getty | 09:58 |
| robbiethe1st | yes there is | 09:58 |
| alterego | busybox is supposed to supply it though | 09:58 |
| robbiethe1st | part of busybox | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | it may not have the symbolic link on stock Maemo, but it works nicely. | 09:59 |
| Choom | Nokia-N900:~# which agetty | 09:59 |
| Choom | Nokia-N900:~# | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | agetty, no. getty | 09:59 |
| Choom | oh | 09:59 |
| Choom | there is one, yes | 09:59 |
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| robbiethe1st | PERFECT | 10:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I got it working! That was the last thing I needed to get a working recovery console on the N900 | 10:04 |
| robbiethe1st | (inside backupmenu | 10:04 |
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| alterego | :) | 10:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | Now, one more question. getty wants a baud rate. I used 115200, because I know that works on just about everything(aside from 20-year-old machines)... what baud rate should I be using for an internal console emulator? | 10:08 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 10:08 |
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| alterego | 115200 is fine | 10:10 |
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| cityLights | morning | 10:17 |
| cityLights | ok, I elise today that I can't simply use the cellular info | 10:17 |
| cityLights | I need to give it weights , as some cellular IDs are not used for a segnificent amount of time | 10:17 |
| cityLights | which makes my app of telling me before I reace my bus station - a graph problem | 10:18 |
| cityLights | great... | 10:18 |
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| Sicelo | pauly.. :/ good condition n900.. /me wonders how it's good condition when usb port came off | 10:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:48 |
| Venemo | lol | 10:48 |
| robbiethe1st | easily; some of them had poor USB traces. Not exactly a wear issue. | 10:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Mine, on the other hand, is somewhat beat up, but still has a rock-solid USB port, despite being dropped onto the USB cable several times | 10:50 |
| Venemo | robbiethe1st, yep, mine too | 10:51 |
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| rm_you | after the USB on my first one falling out, i am constantly paranoid that the tiniest wiggle when i plug it in means it is about to do it AGAIN T_T | 10:52 |
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| rm_you | looks fairly ok though... T_T | 10:52 |
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| Jaffa | macmaN: Nokia Account has been on and off; so I carefully recreated it and it was fine | 10:58 |
| macmaN | recreated? how such? | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Delete & recreate on N950 | 10:58 |
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| macmaN | i am not understanding how i can delete the account from n950 when i cannot even add it there | 11:01 |
| macmaN | it *is* the same overall ovi.com etc nokia sso account right? | 11:01 |
| macmaN | i just did reset password from the phone, so it did find my email address | 11:02 |
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| MohammadAG | macmaN, yes, Ovi account is Nokia account | 11:04 |
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| macmaN | right | 11:07 |
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| macmaN | it just shoots me "service is unavailable" and thats that | 11:07 |
| cityLights | Venemo: ddi you get an email? | 11:08 |
| Venemo | cityLights, only the first ACCEPTED e-mail from Quim, nothing else besides that. | 11:08 |
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| macmaN | woot | 11:25 |
| macmaN | 11:23 quimgil 96 Community application discovery client for Meego 1.2 Harmattan released as open source project http://bit.ly/m6oUJ3 | 11:25 |
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| macmaN | wow that password reset email is taking its sweet time to get here | 11:30 |
| macmaN | so the LED status indicator on N950 seems to only work for charging | 11:32 |
| macmaN | no way to know about missed messages or calls on standby | 11:33 |
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| cityLights | lardman! | 11:53 |
| cityLights | I ran some simple cellular tracking today | 11:53 |
| cityLights | and I found that it acts kind of weird | 11:53 |
| cityLights | sometimes when the cellid changes , it jumps to a number then returns , and stays at a nother id | 11:54 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:55 |
| lardman | cityLights: that is a bit strange | 11:55 |
| lardman | but perhaps it's switching between 3 cells? | 11:55 |
| lardman | anyone got a Launchpad confirmation email yet? | 11:55 |
| Termana | nope | 11:56 |
| lardman | :( | 11:56 |
| Termana | Anyone know the best way to use pulseaudio in scratchbox? | 11:58 |
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| MohammadAG | you can't iirc | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, nope | 12:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | apart from all these people wanting to grab flash player 10 and tweak flash player app, has there been any other leaks with the libflashplugin.so? :) | 12:09 |
| psycho_oreos | looks like there isn't :) I've found a site where the guy leaked 10.1. I've repacked it into a nice deb file and am going to make a new thread | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fredrin: please elaborate | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: we'll need to port fremantle mce to harmattan for that | 12:20 |
| macmaN | mmmkay | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: I gather harmattan on N950 is basically targeted at N9 | 12:21 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, your thread will be taken down | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | it's illegal to post it on tmo | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, hmm d*mn! thanks :/ | 12:22 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: thanks, sorry for the slow reply, was booking a van | 12:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | psycho_oreos: Post it on some shady site with a unieuq title string. wait for google to find it, then post that title string. | 12:28 |
| robbiethe1st | (on tmo | 12:28 |
| psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, I was thinking something similar along the lines of that :) the thing is this bloke leaked flash 10.1 for N900, all I did was encase it in a nice looking deb :) I guess somethings somewhat make you wonder like fmtxd and what not for instance ;) | 12:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Hey, putting it in a .deb is seriously important. It's just a lot harder to follow arcane commands than to click on a .deb | 12:31 |
| flux | it is indeed great that this kind of useful piece of code exists, but apparently the customers should have none of it. | 12:31 |
| robbiethe1st | also makes removal a *lot* easier | 12:31 |
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| robbiethe1st | Now, erm, isn't this the old Flash version that crashes about half the time, though> | 12:31 |
| robbiethe1st | There was one 10. varient which was indeed a developer version; it was seriously unstable and not done quite | 12:32 |
| psycho_oreos | in theory yes, but it can also depend on how its made :) an ugly deb file like I made just now includes both current and leaked in case people complain about leaked copy is woeful, etc, etc, etc | 12:32 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah it was available through that ti website iirc. It was on that huge tmo thread | 12:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, where are these emails..... | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: and especially not hw-accelerated afaik | 12:34 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, sadly. | 12:34 |
| jonwil | I actually think I can take the MeeGo/Harmattan mce source code and the Fremantle binaries and come up with code to match Fremantle | 12:34 |
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| robbiethe1st | Our 9.x isn't accelerated either, though, is it? | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I didn't think it would be, I could be mistaken | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: where's the harmattan mce sourcecode? | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought it was just one epic binary blob that works whenever it feels like | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: I gather it is | 12:35 |
| jonwil | I am using the oldest revision of this tree http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/ | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's meant for meegoCE, not harmattan -aiui | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm... I'd be interested in the N9/N950 version... Might be back-portable | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | same with graphics drivers and such... | 12:36 |
| jonwil | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce/ | 12:36 |
| jonwil | I was also using the code there as a reference | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 12:36 |
| jonwil | so both the MeeGo mce and the Harmattan mce | 12:36 |
| Venemo | jonwil, your efforts would be better spent on enhancing MeeGo CE | 12:36 |
| jonwil | I dont want MeeGo CE, I want maemo | 12:37 |
| Venemo | what for? | 12:37 |
| jonwil | plus, I find reverse engineering fun :) | 12:37 |
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| Venemo | will you also backport hardfp and the newer graphics driver from meego? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | this code would be for a device that's [2011-07-04 10:32:48] <macmaN> so the LED status indicator on N950 seems to only work for charging | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I fully agree with jonwil | 12:38 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, why is that? | 12:38 |
| robbiethe1st | I predict that, unless the N950 becomes available to more than a select few devs, the N900 will stay "current" for at least another year; N9 just isn't comparable. | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: if we follow this paradigm consequently, we can nuke cssu this second | 12:39 |
| lardman | Jaffa: you handy for a chat about Proximus sometime today? | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: same reason I got maemo and not meegoCE on my N900 | 12:39 |
| jonwil | Fact is, there are people out there interested in making Fremantle better and as long as people care, I will do what I can to support them | 12:39 |
| Venemo | sure, I do want to keep&use my N900 for a long time. that is why it would be nice to have a working and usable MeeGo CE on N900 | 12:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands jonwil the medal "Hero of fremantle" | 12:40 | |
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| gomiam | robbiethe1st: at least another year... yes, they will at most provide an official update next year and then drop it (SOP) | 12:40 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't even expect that... Who needs Nokia anyway? | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Yeah, this afternoon would be good | 12:41 |
| lardman | Jaffa: cool, will ping you then | 12:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Thanks to the work the community's put in, it's still easily viable, and until there's something to replace it... | 12:41 |
| lardman | too busy playing with the new toy this morning? ;) | 12:41 |
| Venemo | what? you install meego ce, install cordia on it, and you have a working (and better) fremantle clone | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Maybe we really should offer a USB fixing service for N900 | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: HAH | 12:46 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, wut? | 12:46 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | MeeGo CE with Cordia is getting there.. taking a guess a lot of CSSU improvements can be ported to it as well? | 12:46 |
| Venemo | indeed. | 12:46 |
| Venemo | I agree that MeeGo CE is not there yet, but it has been improving rapidly | 12:46 |
| Jaffa | Yay, offline map loading on Harmattan works :-) | 12:47 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | once hildon-home and hildon-status-menu are working proper, then we can see if the likes of qbw can work | 12:47 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, great! | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | if THAT would be completely true, then *WTF* isn't forum exploding with threads titled "microB much faster on meegoCE", "battery life on meegoCE 2 times that of fremantle despite two times the IM" etc | 12:48 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, as I said, it's not quite there yet. emphasis on YET | 12:48 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | microb needs to be ported/pakaged for meego ce | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't give a flying F* on promises for the future, we've seen too many of them getting broken | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and microB never will run on meegoCE as it's one of the many closed blobs of fremantle that are the main reason I hate and I use it | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so yes, maybe some day we can all switch to meegoCE seamlessly - if and only if jonwil does a HELL of a job and REs ALL of those blobs | 12:51 |
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| Venemo | look at how MeeGo on N900 was a year ago (basically a bootable terminal) and where it is now (hardware accelerated UX, etc.) | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I still don't care | 12:51 |
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| Venemo | not asking you to care :) | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | a nice PoC, not really much more | 12:52 |
| RST38h | Fox News tweets hacked to show Obama death stories | 12:52 |
| RST38h | Mhm. | 12:52 |
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| Parslee | finns are too humble | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and comparing where meego is after TWELFE months, and comparing that to where it needs to get to, to make me consider trading fremantle in for it, I gather my 2 N900 are broken at that point of time | 12:53 |
| Parslee | They did epic work with maemo | 12:53 |
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| Parslee | It was not open enough | 12:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys have python (and its little deps installed) but not from extras-{devel,testing}? I just need the versions of the python2.5 | 12:57 |
| jonwil | what makes microb better than say fennec or whatever the open source gecko mobile browser is? | 12:58 |
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| jonwil | its still gecko under the hook | 12:58 |
| jonwil | hood | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I've seen similar projects, the continue to reach for consumer readiness since 2+ years, and meanwhile the userbase as well as the number of developers are drastically diminishing | 12:58 |
| psycho_oreos | microb is a lot lighter to boot compared to fennec | 12:58 |
| jonwil | ok | 12:58 |
| Venemo | fennec is very slow&laggy | 12:58 |
| * ruskie wants to see eve on the n900 | 12:59 | |
| Venemo | ruskie, EVE? | 12:59 |
| ruskie | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eve | 12:59 |
| psycho_oreos | fennec lack those "finger gestures" you can zoom in and out using your fingers | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: the integration into the system and GUI, the flash | 12:59 |
| Hurrian | eh... i still wouldnt use meego CE as a daily system | 13:00 |
| Venemo | ruskie, ah. I thought you were referring to EVE | 13:00 |
| robbiethe1st | **** YES! I finally got a *working* on-n900 BM terminal! | 13:00 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | true.. microb always appealled to me sice it can run some desktop firefox plugins | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: :-))) | 13:00 |
| Parslee | what is bm terminal robbie? | 13:00 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | what he said | 13:00 |
| Hurrian | microb appeals to me because it is the only browser on n900 that doesnt run like s**t | 13:00 |
| robbiethe1st | BackupMenu | 13:00 |
| ruskie | Venemo, I need to look into getting some packages built for it etc... will see what I can get but I'm not that good at making deb packages | 13:01 |
| Hurrian | also, love the task switcher integration | 13:01 |
| ruskie | I'm planing on running it on my eeepc 701 | 13:01 |
| robbiethe1st | So, I managed to get a proper rescue terminal built in; Backupmenu's designed to run in the pre-boot environment, so this means that *most* "brickings" can be fixed on-device now, without any PC needed | 13:01 |
| Parslee | Robbie what does that allow you to do that osso-xterm does not? | 13:01 |
| robbiethe1st | some could be solved before with a restore, now they can be fixed. | 13:01 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st : do we have mtd and ubifs utils? | 13:01 |
| Parslee | Thanks | 13:02 |
| ruskie | robbiethe1st, frankly making a custom root fiasco and emmc fiasco images sounds like a better plan | 13:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Hurrian: Sort of. If nothing else, you can always mount the rootfs, copy over whatever you need, and run it. | 13:02 |
| Venemo | ruskie, to me, EVE is the game EVE Online :) | 13:02 |
| ruskie | Venemo, hehe | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, let's do another F5 hitting madness | 13:02 |
| robbiethe1st | ruskie: erm... I don't get you. | 13:02 |
| ruskie | robbiethe1st, you can make your own fiasco images to reflash once it bricks ;) | 13:03 |
| robbiethe1st | If you flash the rootfs, you've lost any settings/apps on it; and if you make it custom before you have the problem... well, that's basically the same thing I'm doing | 13:03 |
| ruskie | with everything you have on the device | 13:03 |
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| Hurrian | ruskie, it pains me to keep erasing and writing CMT software | 13:03 |
| * robbiethe1st points to BackupMenu's backup function. Not quite flashable, but restorable. | 13:03 | |
| ruskie | yes except the BM stuff isn't 100% usable sadly | 13:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Hurrian: You *can* flash only certain things. | 13:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | why not? | 13:04 |
| Hurrian | so does dd-ing to the mtd device | 13:04 |
| ruskie | I had to fix stuff using a bootable sd card with meego | 13:04 |
| flux | it still does that? | 13:04 |
| Hurrian | so, imo rm -rf ing mtd5 and writing files back would be great | 13:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope | 13:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Mine now does it all at the file level. | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | iirc the new backupmenu does that | 13:05 |
| robbiethe1st | using... rm -rf and tar. | 13:05 |
| ruskie | since my brekages tend to be beyond BM help usually | 13:05 |
| robbiethe1st | ruskie: You mean BM won't boot? | 13:05 |
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| Hurrian | oh btw, maemo experts, is it possible to recreate MTD partitions? | 13:05 |
| alterego | Heh, the Irony of a developer device getting the N Series brand name :) | 13:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hurrian: Yes, I think so, why? | 13:06 |
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| Hurrian | iirc someone said that if mtd1 is wiped, the device needs a light swap | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | heh, if you nuke mtd partitions you might be hosed | 13:06 |
| Parslee | robbiethe1st this should make mwn news | 13:06 |
| ruskie | I have my own /bootmenu.sh script that does stuff I need generally... | 13:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, Stskeeps - That reminds me. Would you please promote bootmenu? | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, lol >>When you connect the cable, the device switches on automatically and the magical flashing sequence starts.<< </quote URL=https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html> | 13:07 |
| ruskie | though I still need to do some cleaning about it | 13:07 |
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| Hurrian | stskeeps, what code does the ROM in the OMAP do? | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | other than starting the N900 up | 13:07 |
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| Hurrian | if you wipe mtd1, i don't think even the fbus will fix it] | 13:09 |
| robbiethe1st | We do have cold flashing | 13:10 |
| robbiethe1st | i.e. bypassing *everything* and booting entirely off USB | 13:10 |
| ruskie | hmm a coworker got a samsung galaxy ace... and he couldn't get mass storage working... turns out the device had usb debugging console enabled... | 13:10 |
| robbiethe1st | (well, chainloading anyway) | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: fbus is nonsense | 13:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: fbus is for modem only | 13:12 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/04/eu_customer_cloud_data_may_be_handed_over_by_microsoft/ | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtd partition restoring is feasible ONLY via coldflash, and I dunno if standard flasher-3.5 with standard COMBINED image will do that | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | and if you wipe CAL you might be really hosed | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's completely unclear if NOLO boots up at all on a wiped CAL | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for obvious reasons *nobody* has tried it yet | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | does anything run if mtd1 is wiped? probably if you fed the OMAP ROM with code | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's called coldflsah | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | and iirc the omap rom verifies everything fed to it | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | so if nolo is bugged, U R FUKD | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you feed it xloader from COMBINED | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: NO | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: stop spreading FUD | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | ah | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | no i meant if you wiped MTD1 and nolo failed to start, you cant do anything, as it's closed source, right? | 13:16 |
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| Hurrian | and if i'm getting it right, nolo does more than load kernel and boot it? | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is closed source? CAL? | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's closed data more or less | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | no, nolo is closed | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, you CAN restore NOLO | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can NOT restore CAL | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you don't have a backup of the data there | 13:17 |
| Hurrian | yes, but i meant as in if NOLO had a bug that it doesnt start the system if you wiped CAL | 13:18 |
| ruskie | basically a what if scenario... aka speculation | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | you'd be pretty stuck | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | *maybe* coldflashing, on finding CAL destroyed, will replace it with a sane standard CAL dataset, but as mentioned above... you're free to test ;-P | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | ...but then, MAC address is stored in CAL | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ser# | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | and no, not planning on testing, as i cannot find another N900 in any other store in this city | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | firstboot locale and keymap, whatnot else, RF settings etc pp | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: great :-) Now you'll need to release 1.1 just 1 or 2 weeks after 1.0 - what a pity :-P | 13:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yea. :P | 13:21 |
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| robbiethe1st | Now, I just need to figure out how to unload the framebuffer module... | 13:22 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | so does this mean appart from the functionality of backupmenu, there is a busybox terminal there as well? | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>n the Windows environment, the USB autodetection and driver installation may cause trouble. Thus you may need to connect, wait for drivers, disconnect the cable, power off, and reconnect for several times.<< X-D | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: forget it, you'll not boot to maemo from BM console | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even mature PC linux does that, when entering init-S state | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | quit emergency console == reboot | 13:24 |
| robbiethe1st | [DarkGUNMAN]: Well, yes. There always *was* one(BM is a busybox script), and you could access one over USB-serial console but nothing you could interact with. Now, I've figured out a way to make a interactive terminal, so now you can actually use it on-device! | 13:25 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: You mean a "continue boot" option? | 13:25 |
| Hurrian | @DocScrutinizer : what the hell? does the N950 still use the hold u while plugged in to enter reflash mode? | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | <robbiethe1st> Now, I just need to figure out how to unload the framebuffer module... | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: why? | 13:25 |
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| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Because any time I get a message on the console after I'm done with my terminal, it screws up any graphics drawn via Text2Screen | 13:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Because, you know, it's overwriting the buffer... | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: obviously not, as N950 is an N9 in disguise | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | or N9 is N950 with keyboard chopped off | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | in which case flashing N9 will be interesting | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: evidently not, see on-click-flasher options | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | to handle the kbd-less mess | 13:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course, seeing as the N900's flashable without pressing the 'u' key... | 13:28 |
| Hurrian | what the f----- | 13:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Hurrian: You just have to have the flasher util waiting with the N900 off, the plug in the USB. it'll boot, see the flasher and flash] | 13:29 |
| Hurrian | did anyone at nokia notice that everytime you plug/unplug a usb device on windows, it restarts the usb stack for that port? | 13:29 |
| Hurrian | the hold u to flash was a great idea | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: I think BM is *loading* FB only for the case when you actually invoke it, i.e. when booting with slide open. BM has no way to boot to fremantle. FB is only loaded when you have to reboot afterwords - so why to unload it? | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | nokia should probably do something similar for N9 - hold volume up to reflash | 13:30 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, perhaps I should say differently: I need fbcon unloaded | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: holding U does basically nothing for booting the N900, it still exposes all the same USB devices and your "stack" will still do all the same nonsense, no matter if you hold U or not | 13:31 |
| alterego | Holding 'u' sticks it in update mode, otherwise it boots up | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: holding U only disables USB timeout when NOLO looks for flasher-3.5 | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but NOLO still looks for flasher-3.5 even when not holding U, just it times out after 1s or sth, maybe after 10ms | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: exactly | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | isn't it the OMAP3 rather than NOLO? | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: check your syslog on PC | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | since that's how cold flashing | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | works | 13:33 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no :P | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see ROMboot, NOLO, mass-storage | 13:34 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: it's the first two stages of nolo that allow low level flashing | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | not home, no PC around me, and even if there was one I don't have a cable | 13:34 |
| alterego | Otherwise you'd have to use jtag | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, nuke /dev/mtd0 | 13:34 |
| alterego | No thanks .. | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | cold flashing still works if you do that :p | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why? | 13:35 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, "nuke: command not found..." | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can coldflash even without nuking mtd0 ;-P | 13:35 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, you do it thien | 13:35 |
| alterego | ~then .. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you feel like | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just make sure flasher-3.5 with coldboot options waits for device showing up - that device will be ROMboot, *always* | 13:36 |
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| alterego | Oh there's some ROM code too? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ROMboot then loads xloader from flasher-3.5 to RAM, xloader in RAM loads NOLO to RAM from flasher-3.5, NOLO in ram will flash NOLO on mtd0 | 13:37 |
| alterego | Oh, right | 13:38 |
| alterego | I didn't know there was actually any _ROM_ in the N900 | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can do that any time, no natter if mtd0 is nuked or if you hold down U key | 13:38 |
| alterego | Okay | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's simply how ROMboot works -ROMboot doesn't check for U key ;-P | 13:39 |
| alterego | Indeed | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably jacekowski will pop up in a minute and tell me where I've been wrong, but basically I'm right on this one | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~coldflash | 13:40 |
| infobot | from memory, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | back to F5 hitting | 13:41 |
| Venemo | F5 hitting? | 13:41 |
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| * Sicelo just got his N900 | 13:47 | |
| Sicelo | :) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | \o/ Sicelo | 13:47 |
| Sicelo | now i'll bug you people... | 13:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Install a bunch of buggy apps, then complain! | 13:47 |
| robbiethe1st | what more could we ask? | 13:47 |
| Sicelo | already... what size is the update to PR1.3? | 13:48 |
| Sicelo | i'll have to wget it | 13:48 |
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| Venemo | ~flashing | 13:49 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:49 |
| Venemo | Sicelo, ^ | 13:50 |
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| Hurrian | sicelo, rootfs is 195MB | 13:54 |
| Hurrian | EMMC is ~256MB | 13:54 |
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| Sicelo | thanks :) | 13:55 |
| Hurrian | my turn to bug you people | 13:55 |
| Hurrian | is it possible to charge the N900 while not in Maemo? | 13:56 |
| Hurrian | like the Symbian devices | 13:56 |
| Hurrian | but it looks as if the symbian devices half-boot to symbian though | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | so does maemo | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | what do you mean? symbian can't be dualboot | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | under maemo (maemo 5 at least) its called: ACT_DEAD | 13:57 |
| Hurrian | ah | 13:57 |
| Hurrian | too bad my time with maemo will be so short | 13:58 |
| Hurrian | as compared to my older nokia devices | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | you selling it? | 13:59 |
| Hurrian | nope | 13:59 |
| ruskie | bricking it? | 13:59 |
| Hurrian | i meant, as in the device falling to hardware failures etc | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | broken USB port? | 13:59 |
| Hurrian | no, mines working fine | 13:59 |
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| ruskie | then why short? | 13:59 |
| Hurrian | i meant, it's my first and probably last maemo/meego device | 13:59 |
| ruskie | I mean do you expect a hardware failure or something? | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | it isn't short, its just ongoing maintanence :) | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | ruskie, inevitable ;) | 14:00 |
| ruskie | from? | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | emmc & SOC failures | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I did | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | (re <alterego> MohammadAG: well, you do it thien) | 14:01 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: sure, I didn't know about romboot | 14:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | wtf? emmc and SOC failures? that almost sounds like typical symptoms of oc woe | 14:01 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: doesn't have anything to do with the OMAP though :P | 14:01 |
| alterego | psycho_oreos: got who? | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, so I wasn't wrong :P | 14:01 |
| Hurrian | psycho_oreos - hardware fall damages etc | 14:01 |
| Hurrian | knowing the bad QA of N900 assembly | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | Err, isn't ROMboot on the SoC? | 14:01 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, you were technically wrong, but functionally, no, erasing nolo shouldn't matter. | 14:02 |
| Hurrian | i hardly OC over 750 | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | alterego, Hurrian, but not saying that he did oc it :) just the issues sounds like it | 14:02 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no | 14:02 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, it might be if the ROM is in the SoC | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | Hurrian, ahh heh that'll be inevitable for sure | 14:02 |
| Hurrian | even then, i only OC when i'm going to crap the processor at 100% | 14:02 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: but it's a program that runs and isn't a standard OMAP thing, it's a Nokia thing. | 14:02 |
| * ruskie doesn't OC... simply doesn't make any sense | 14:02 | |
| ruskie | I need reliability not insane performance | 14:02 |
| NIN101 | +1 | 14:03 |
| alterego | ruskie: agreed, little gain .. | 14:03 |
| alterego | And so much loss :) | 14:03 |
| psycho_oreos | much to lose | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, someone mentioned it was standard, I could be wrong though | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | ruskie, only causes me occasional 32wd_to's when my voltage is too low, in addition to SR VDD1&2 being on | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | oh, +WSEGL_HWSync | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | =1 | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | i deffo wouldn't do 1150-1150 | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | when people mention wanting to overclock their N900 I think of this: http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/attachments/projects/42836d1286486353-projects-vtec_yo.jpg :) | 14:04 |
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| Hurrian | that would cause massive SOC damage within months | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | even worse, fried CPU, rendering the phone/NIT useless | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795 | 14:05 |
| Venemo | which one consumes more power? EDGE or Wi-Fi? | 14:06 |
| Hurrian | GSM radio | 14:06 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 14:06 |
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| Sicelo | btw is there no other way to get product ID without taking out the battery? | 14:06 |
| Hurrian | it's on the box | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | Product ID? | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | also *#0000# | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | teh imei | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | *#06# is the IMEI | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | woops | 14:07 |
| Venemo | Hurrian, *#0000# is sw version | 14:07 |
| trx | settings / about has imei too i believe? | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | grep string | cut -f 2 -d '"' | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | over ssh | 14:08 |
| alterego | And it's in "Settings->PRoduct Info" | 14:08 |
| Sicelo | product id, for the firmware download | 14:08 |
| psycho_oreos | trx, yes | 14:08 |
| Sicelo | oh gosh..indeed..it is imei | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | it's not the product ID | 14:08 |
| psycho_oreos | its also available through osso-product-info | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | sure about that? | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | I don't recall it being there | 14:09 |
| psycho_oreos | err imei isn't available through osso-product-info but for other stuff in regards to *#0000# it is | 14:09 |
| psycho_oreos | that's was what I was meant to say (in other words I hit the enter too quickly ;)) | 14:09 |
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| Hurrian | hmm, wonder why nokia asks for imei on tablets-dev while the N950 image is free to download | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | N950 is a dev only device, I don't think nokia would care too much about it. Though I think its to verify if you genuinely own N900 I suppose. If you had a look at other NIT devices, the firmware links require you to input wlan mac | 14:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course, it works with a fake imei too... | 14:11 |
| robbiethe1st | just google for an appropriate imei number, change it slightly, ???, profit! | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | better yet, a somewhat well crafted google query would yield a valid N900 imei from nokia's support site | 14:12 |
| Venemo | meh! I'm so sad. there is an N950 at Nokia HQ which is eagerly awaiting to be sent to me. and yet, they haven't even approved anyone on launchpad yet... | 14:18 |
| Venemo | those little N950s are so lonely without us :( | 14:18 |
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| mgedmin | waiting for a launch window to open, I suppose | 14:22 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: exactly, I dont know why they wont just send it over to us :( | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Finland is closed for summer vacation. | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | In July everybody is gone. | 14:27 |
| Hurrian | psycho_oreos , with all the crud nokia's put into maemo, the imei check's pretty redundant ;) | 14:28 |
| hiemanshu | X-Fade: for how long? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | July | 14:28 |
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| hiemanshu | X-Fade: all of july? | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Hurrian, or any sort of device ownership in order to obtain firmwares is redundant for that matter ;) | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | Yep, most people tend to be off until August. | 14:28 |
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| Hurrian | hmm, before coming into #maemo , i didn't realize that the OneNAND was literally on top of the OMAP3430 SOC, and wasn't just a term in the SVC Manual LV3-4. | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Package on Package | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | onenand + RAM | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | this somewhat also explains why there a deadline for applying n9 devkit through by being a proper Qt app developer is towards end of July. Must be for them to have a stockpile of work to sift through ;) | 14:31 |
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| * lardman wonders if the summer vacation is the cause of the Launchpad delays | 14:31 | |
| lardman | ah I see someone else has thought the same thing | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | who me? | 14:33 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: me :P | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Then why would the meego.com DDP deadline be set ahead :/ | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | was about to say, there's three possible ways one can obtain n9 devkit, the oss is closed so that leaves two other open choices :) | 14:34 |
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| hiemanshu | well if this was known, there should have been more time for the apps | 14:34 |
| hiemanshu | s/apps/applications to be submitted/ | 14:34 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: well if this was known, there should have been more time for the applications to be submitted | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | like I said, probably for the pile of paperwork left for them when they come back ;) | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | Just saying that there are less people available during vacation, might explain any delays. | 14:34 |
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| X-Fade | Pretty sure that someone will be there to go through them. | 14:34 |
| alterego | Or not, it's better if it's quick because if it's just Quim and Texrat looking through the applications having 1k plus would be murder | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm guessing it could be you guys would be first in priority to get it when they come back | 14:35 |
| alterego | They went slightly over with the 600 or so applications. | 14:35 |
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| alterego | Yeah, probably. | 14:35 |
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| alterego | It is the single largest sub programme for launchpad. | 14:35 |
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| alterego | The ambassador programme is only like 30 or 40 devices. | 14:36 |
| hiemanshu | but Jaffa got his :( | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade | hiemanshu: not yet July :D | 14:36 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: he already had an account | 14:36 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: yeah, but he already had a verified launchpad account | 14:36 |
| * hiemanshu shoots Jaffa in the head, and shouts 'HEADSHOT' | 14:36 | |
| hiemanshu | X-Fade: 4th of July today :P | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | hiemanshu: .fi doesn't care about that :) | 14:37 |
| hiemanshu | X-Fade: ah | 14:37 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: lets hope what you said is true and we all get an email by wednesday :) | 14:39 |
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| alterego | That's what I'm hoping, I'd like to be able to play with it this weekend :) | 14:39 |
| alterego | But meh. | 14:39 |
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| hiemanshu | yeah, I have patched my email alerter to play 'I feel good' whenever I get an email from @nokia with N950 or Launchpad in the subject | 14:42 |
| hiemanshu | I remember GAN900 did something similar | 14:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Nice! I've got 606+ installs of BM 1.0-RC1 in the last three days. | 14:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:43 |
| robbiethe1st | I have to say, creating that web-based 'readme' that opens on install was a stroke of genius! I forget exactly who gave me that idea. | 14:45 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, where does backupmenu hook into now? bootmenu.sh? | 14:45 |
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| Hurrian | i previously used backupmenu with multiboot, and it's not a very pretty solution | 14:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea. We have bootmenu.sh -> /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item -> my loader script -> main bm script | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( <alterego> MohammadAG: but it's a program that runs and isn't a standard OMAP thing, it's a Nokia thing.) No, it's OMAP standard, and it's in SoC | 15:30 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks for informing me :) | 15:34 |
| Hurrian | ah, i think he meant the code was nokia-specific | 15:34 |
| * alterego stands corrected :) | 15:34 | |
| Hurrian | or does the "download code from USB" ootb omap standard? | 15:35 |
| Hurrian | if so, we can just freely replace said part then | 15:35 |
| Hurrian | ...in case of SoC damage | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the SoC ROM BL is standard for all OMAP. The rootkey this little sucker uses to verify signature of xloader probably is Nokia's | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you probably *could* replace by a chip that has HS aka signature checking disabled, and it would run just as well. But you can't use xloader of COMBINED img with a HS enabled OMAP that has a different rootkey other than Nokia's | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could however use xloader that comes with that chip, if it's identical in functionality to the one in COMBINED - which most probably is the case | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's roughly how they rooted some droids | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | they replaced the signature checking 1st stage xloader BL by another one that didn't check signature, so they were able to use their own 2nd stage BL (called NOLO on N900) | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're interested in details | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw this page also has a hint about why uSD is mmcblk0 aka first mmc controller on boot | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started :-D | 16:07 |
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| khertan1 | Hello | 16:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | Hi. I have MeeGo installed on my SD card. However, I don't want it to start per default (w/uboot), but still want it available. Does uboot place a configure file somewhere for which order it tries to run commands, or is it decided at compile time? | 16:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | I just wonder if i can switch places of "run mmcboot" and "run noloboot" | 16:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | or if I need to recompile it for that | 16:09 |
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| Sicelo | doh.. Nokia 9300i can't sync with N900 via BT | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: the file is somewhere on your SD card | 16:15 |
| Corsac | hmhm, uboot-pr13 does that, so I'm not sure its config is on the sd card | 16:16 |
| dm8tbr | in uboot lingo that's the 'environment' | 16:16 |
| dm8tbr | dunno if the n900 uboot has save env functionality | 16:16 |
| dm8tbr | let me try | 16:17 |
| dm8tbr | hmm saveenv does _something_ | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | and it claims to save to OneNAND | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | FIQ|n900: printenv, saveenv and the u-boot docs are your friends | 16:19 |
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| jonwil | my god MCE does a lot more with the power key in Fremantle than in MeeGo | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 16:25 |
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| jonwil | comming up with a powerkey.c that matches Fremantle is going to be annoying | 16:25 |
| jonwil | or maybe not, things are lining up now | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: N900 uBoot has no "env", it reads a file from uSD instead afaik | 16:26 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I just tried :) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: any comments? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *bet* there's a page on meego wiki about it | 16:27 |
| dm8tbr | when it's loaded from uSD then it also usually has the env storage as a file in the same location as the uboot.bin | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:28 |
| dm8tbr | on the n900 it is stored instead of the kernel in nand, so there should be also plenty of space to store the env block | 16:29 |
| dm8tbr | or did I misunderstand something? | 16:29 |
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| ali1234 | DocScrutinizer that is correct | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | unless somebody fixed it there is no way to saveenv (it just "saves" it in ram | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | this is because u-boot doesn't know how to read or write the nand (it relies on nolo to load everything from nand into ram including the apended kernel image) | 16:32 |
| khertan1 | No news about launchpad ? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: thanks | 16:34 |
| khertan1 | :( | 16:34 |
| khertan1 | thx for the info | 16:35 |
| jonwil | I think my efforts to create some code for Fremantle MCE is going to stall somewhere around powerkey.c :( | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: I gather uBoot will boot directly to the kernel that's in RAM then, if there's no such file on uSD | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: eeeek | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | that is the fallback, yes | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: not to mention lockcode ;-P | 16:39 |
| jonwil | yeah tklock.c is going to be the most annoying | 16:40 |
| jonwil | since I really want to know what tklock,c on Fremantle does | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tklock is not the lockcode I referred to | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | tklock is just the lockslider switch | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | look at the old leaked mce for n8x0 maybe | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus related stuff | 16:40 |
| jonwil | old leaked mce for n8x0? Where do I get this? | 16:41 |
| jonwil | :P | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: thanks :-D | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | rtcomm | 16:41 |
| jonwil | rtcomm is? | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mxr->diablo? | 16:42 |
| jonwil | well tklock is the bit I care about right now | 16:43 |
| jonwil | so the new lock screen can replace the existing tklock systemui plugin | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/diablo/free/source/m/ | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm sure you know this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1nvwLpvHW0 (gfx-accel on zoom2) | 16:48 |
| Termana | When I compile on my host machine for x86 and when I compile under scratchbox for ARMEL Harmattan my program goes fine but when I compile it under scratchbox for x86 Harmattan I get a floating point/arithmetic exception :\ | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, uploaded 16.12.2009 | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i do | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: what about it? | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just thought about opensource accel | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc you looked into that | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | open source sgx? nah | 16:50 |
| Termana | gdb shows process 2560 is executing new program: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-2.3.2.so Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 0x001115d1 in ?? () | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so FYI | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | we reused maemo libs on there | 16:50 |
| Termana | Do we need to have it compile for x86 to make it into the repo? :p | 16:50 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, that mce code doesn't help so much, there is too much difference between the hardware' | 16:54 |
| alterego | Urgh, waiting for launchpad emails, need to occupy myself with something | 16:55 |
| * alterego does some washing up | 16:55 | |
| alterego | Then more work, then, hrm, dinner I guess. | 16:55 |
| Termana | Anyone have a clue why I would get a floating point exception on x86 Harmattan but not on my host or ARMEL Harmattan? Bad toolchain? | 16:56 |
| jonwil | so we have code for Maemo4 MCE (Diablo) and Maemo6 MCE (Harmattan) but not the one we really need (Maemo5) :( | 16:58 |
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| jonwil | And from the sounds of the last comment in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794, no amount of justification would get Nokia to open source it... | 17:00 |
| povbot | Bug 11794: Open Fremantle's MCE | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | jonwil: If you go to one of the earliest revisions in gitorious, is it closer to fremantle's? | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | Termana, well, what's the numeric calculation that gives sigfpe? | 17:02 |
| jonwil | I went to the earliest MeeGo git revision | 17:02 |
| jonwil | and that's the one I am referencing | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | jonwil: Ah | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | Termana, check values of both on both archs :P | 17:03 |
| lardman | ~curse the Samsung N140's wifi chipset for just not wanting to work most of the time | 17:04 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Samsung N140's wifi chipset for just not wanting to work most of the time ! | 17:04 |
| jonwil | so basically any further work to come up with usable source for the Fremantle MCE binary is pointless | 17:05 |
| jonwil | I can however work on the various mce plugins/modules | 17:05 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: its samsung, what do you expect :P | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: we patch mce on meego n900 btw | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: maybe something you can use | 17:05 |
| Termana | ShadowJK, how am I suppose to know what calculation is causing the problem? There are lots of calculations being done in the program and gdb and strace don't show anything useful | 17:05 |
| jonwil | where do you patch it? | 17:05 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: true | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | gdb? | 17:05 |
| jonwil | I have all the mce source code that I can find including MeeGo and Harmattan and now Diablo | 17:06 |
| jonwil | just not the one I need :P | 17:06 |
| jonwil | :( | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: various areas, but build.pub.meego.com Project:DE:Trunk mce or build.meego.com MeeGo:1.2:oss mce | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, heh, mine doesn't work with wpa2/aes unless first connecting to a wpa2/tkip ap... after that everything and anything works | 17:06 |
| Termana | ShadowJK, I'm not sure if your asking why I'm using gdb or suggesting gdb - but if you are suggesting I use gdb, I already stated I am and it's not showing anything useful | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | Termana, it doesn't show where it crashes? | 17:07 |
| Termana | gdb shows process 2560 is executing new program: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-2.3.2.so Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 0x001115d1 in ?? () | 17:07 |
| Termana | that's all it says ^^ | 17:07 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: I've noticed something similar, though for me often rebooting gets it to work - the wonders of Linux ;) | 17:07 |
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| jonwil | nope, those patches dont look like they will help | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, mine does it in windows | 17:09 |
| lardman | under Windows it worked perfectly for me tbh | 17:09 |
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| jonwil | so yeah forget about making code changes to Fremantle MCE ever | 17:11 |
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| dreamer | hi all, I just got my n900 back from RMA and I'm trying to restore my backup. but the backup-application doesn't see thy backups folder I put in the home-directory | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | dreamer: 'backups' goes in /home/user/MyDocs | 17:21 |
| Jaffa | dreamer: And grrr at you getting an N900 back. I got an N8 :-( | 17:22 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: you got an upgrade, be happy :P | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | hiemanshu: So they say... | 17:23 |
| dreamer | Jaffa: hehe | 17:23 |
| dreamer | Jaffa: hmm, the dir is there | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | hiemanshu: Although the N950 does count as an upgrade, I guess | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | I hope all the rest of you get them soon so I can have some moar appz | 17:23 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: I dont know how its an upgrade, not even by versioning number :P | 17:23 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: oh well, just send me yours :P | 17:23 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: you know, I am getting ready to hire some hitmen for you :P | 17:24 |
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| dreamer | what should the permissions on backups/ be? | 17:24 |
| dreamer | well it's 777 now anyway | 17:25 |
| dreamer | and it contains 4 zips and a .metadata | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | dreamer: ISTR, it's actually something like /home/user/MyDocs/Backups/backups/backup-001/... in total? | 17:26 |
| dreamer | oh, no it's /home/user/MyDocs/backups/*zip | 17:27 |
| jonwil | Calling the N8 an "upgrade" from a N900 is like calling a Ford Focus an "upgrade" from a Ford Mustang | 17:28 |
| dreamer | heh | 17:28 |
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| Robot101 | jonwil: haha :) | 17:30 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: comparing ford to nokia is like comparing bacon to milk :P | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone got a launchpad email yet? | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 17:34 |
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| dreamer | Jaffa: I put the dir where you said ( /home/user/MyDocs/Backups/backups/backup-001/ ) but the app still doesn't see it | 17:35 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: re Proximus, do you think there will be any conditions that cannot be signalled somehow? I.e. things that will need to be polled for? | 17:36 |
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| lardman | anyone else too, the floor is open | 17:36 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: we wish | 17:37 |
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| jonwil | bah, that Diablo MCE code doesnt have the tklock-dbus-names.h file which would have helped me | 17:39 |
| lardman | basically this is important because it will affect how the condition class objects need to be arranged, whether they can be setup to handle their own callbacks and trigger a state change, or whether a manager class is required (which will be the case for time duration conditions, probably) | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | jonwil: uh.. isnt that in mce-dev? | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | jonwil: Heh, I used to work at Ford. And have had further job offers from both Ford & Nokia. | 17:39 |
| jonwil | nope, its not in mce-dev | 17:40 |
| jonwil | :( | 17:40 |
| jonwil | if it was, I wouldn't need to reverse engineer things | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html | 17:40 |
| jonwil | thats not the same header file | 17:40 |
| jonwil | tklock-dbus-names.h has the info about how mce talks to systemui for the tklock plugin | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I think everything can be pushed, but a timer adapter might take a notification class/plugin thing and trigger it automatically based on time (i.e. adapter pattern) | 17:40 |
| jonwil | which is the bit I care about | 17:40 |
| lardman | thanks Stskeeps | 17:40 |
| jonwil | :) | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | lardman: So, for the point of view of all actual triggers, they're push. But there might be a common timer engine which generates "push" events? | 17:41 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Not sure though | 17:41 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: depends how expensive timers are, my feeling is not very, in which case I may as well run a timer per condition | 17:41 |
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| dreamer | so anyone have an idea why I can't restore my backup? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: cant you suss that from dbus? | 17:42 |
| jonwil | I am trying to figure out the tklock_close and tklock_open dbus calls | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | lardman: True. There may be advantage in fuzzing the times slightly to get them aligned. | 17:42 |
| lardman | once the start of the time duration condition occurs, you then need to start another timer to trigger the change of state at the end, hence the thought of using a manager for that, but it's simple enough that it could all sit in the condition class itself | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | lardman: and/or make it hard for something to define a timer which has to go off every second | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I'm easy on it. I suspect polling will be needed in a lot of cases, so maybe it's a core concept. | 17:43 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: in the former case that's more complicated, might be worth getting something started straight away; in the latter case that would be for the parser to decide | 17:43 |
| jonwil | I know what tklock_close and tklock_open look like but I dont know what the numbers mean | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Aye | 17:43 |
| jonwil | tklock_close takes one bool and I dont know what it does | 17:43 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: that's the thing, if polling is required, then I need to be very tricky with what I do; location is one where as the location changes (offline cell id) different things need to be done transparently, hence a manager | 17:44 |
| alterego | Jaffa: what did you get in the devkit box? | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Box, quick start guide, N950, USB cable | 17:44 |
| alterego | (or is there a link to the itenarary? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Ah, so no charger? | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | Nope | 17:44 |
| alterego | Heh, really minimal then | 17:44 |
| lardman | Jaffa: e.g. if a given event tree has some events that require polling, and some that are "push", then the tree will need to be inspected at creation time to check whether any of the polled conditions can themselves trigger the event, and if not they can be ignored until the whole tree is evaluated when one of the "push" events occurs | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | alterego: http://twitpic.com/photos/jaffa2 | 17:45 |
| lardman | s/event/condition | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Hmm, true. | 17:45 |
| * jonwil ads tklock_open and tklock_close to the long list of small items (mostly dbus things) that, if I had more info on them, would enable me to advance Fremantle in ways not seen before | 17:45 | |
| lardman | as event is the thing we want to happen when some number of conditions are true - might help to explain my terminology | 17:46 |
| alterego | Jaffa: makes you wonder why they needed sugh a big box :P | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | alterego: The quick start guide seems to have defined it! | 17:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:46 |
| lardman | Jaffa: is quite an interesting challenge that tree parsing stuff, and the location method handoffs | 17:46 |
| alterego | Does the N950 have the same Camera as the N9? | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | lardman: For each condition, it's known whether it's a push or timer event. As you say, when saving the tree, conditions are scanned and set up. As you say, if there's a mix, you can avoid polling unless the push notifications are met (depending on the operators) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | lardman: It is a proper interesting DSA/compsci problem, indeed. | 17:47 |
| lardman | :) | 17:47 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Similar, apparently. But different. | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Getting it right would be very cool | 17:48 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 17:48 |
| lardman | timer events are push too of course | 17:48 |
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| lardman | hence the question about any true polling events | 17:48 |
| lardman | argh, conditions | 17:48 |
| lardman | I guess stuff like headphone connection is broadcast over DBus so that also becomes a push condition | 17:49 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yup | 17:52 |
| dreamer | aarg, Backup keeps saying (no backups available) -_- | 17:52 |
| dreamer | is there another way to restore these? | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | dreamer: Are you sure they are still on the device? You did copy them to your pc, did you? | 17:53 |
| dreamer | X-Fade: I copied them from my pc to the device | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | dreamer: Correct folder? | 17:54 |
| dreamer | tried different folder names or hierarchies | 17:54 |
| dreamer | hmm wth, when I open the zips on my laptop they seem empty o.O | 17:55 |
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| dreamer | ok that can't be, they have different sizes | 17:55 |
| dreamer | ok, squeeze opens them fine .. so yeah | 17:56 |
| dreamer | X-Fade: what would the correct folder be? | 17:56 |
| Termana | Ok. So apparently you cannot run an application from the symlinked scratchbox folder. | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | dreamer: Depends on where you look from. | 17:57 |
| dreamer | I tried /home/user/Mydocs/{Backups|backups|Backups/backups/backup-001}/ | 17:57 |
| Termana | I moved it to the home folder, recompiled and its working now (well except the abort because it's trying to use pulseaudio, which it cant) | 17:57 |
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| X-Fade | dreamer: /home/user/MyDocs/backups/ | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | dreamer: And then a folder for each backup. | 17:59 |
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| dreamer | X-Fade: ok, sweet. finally working now :) | 18:01 |
| * dreamer hopes everything is like it should be afterwards ;) | 18:01 | |
| dreamer | bbl | 18:01 |
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| jonwil | bah, I give up. I just cant work out what these dbus calls look like :( | 18:11 |
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| trx | huh | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | arent they similar on meego? | 18:15 |
| trx | i got accepted for n950 | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, engineers are by definition lazy | 18:15 |
| jonwil | and no, the calls arent similar | 18:17 |
| khertan1 | someone have already try import com.meego 1.0 on n900 ? | 18:17 |
| jonwil | because systemui is gone | 18:17 |
| jonwil | and replaced with something else | 18:18 |
| jonwil | or rather is done differently | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | we still have meegotouch-systemui | 18:18 |
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| jonwil | yeah but the way that mce talks to systemui for tklock is different | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:20 |
| jonwil | Anyone know if libcellular-qt (Harmattan package) is open or closed? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | closed, afaik | 18:21 |
| jonwil | damn :( | 18:22 |
| jonwil | probably closed because opening it would expose all the DBUS calls into the closed cell stack | 18:22 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, actually, http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/blobs/master/src/systemui/screenlock/screenlockbusinesslogic.h does help | 18:26 |
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| khertan1 | ouch ... harmattan qt quick component isn't available yet for n900 | 18:33 |
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| jonwil | Nothing from Harmattan is available for N900 | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | frals: ping | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | khertan1: Forum^W Nokia Developer are porting it | 18:34 |
| hiemanshu | khertan1: well you'll have to use pure QML for the N900 for now | 18:35 |
| jonwil | aha, now I see the value its passing | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | khertan1: And hopefully document the appropriate 'import' so that they aren't the only thing which differs between platforms | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | khertan1: workijng on it for CE | 18:36 |
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| khertan1 | hiemanshu: thx | 18:37 |
| khertan1 | Jaffa: thx | 18:37 |
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| * jonwil cant remember if enums in C start at 0 or 1... | 18:38 | |
| khertan1 | thx all | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | bye | 18:38 |
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| jonwil | zero | 18:38 |
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| crashanddie | "A bare-headed motorcyclist riding in protest of New York state's helmet law crashed, struck his head on the roadway and died from his injuries, state police said on Sunday." | 18:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | So he crashanddied? | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | Tsk | 18:49 |
| trx | what should i put in "Reason to Apply" step in Launchpad registration? | 18:49 |
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| hiemanshu | trx: meego ddp? | 18:49 |
| trx | anything specific? | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | trx: "Told to by Quim Gil as part of N950 meego.com DDP" ? | 18:49 |
| trx | Jaffa thanks | 18:49 |
| trx | hiemanshu yes | 18:49 |
| * Jaffa is just guessing | 18:49 | |
| Jaffa | But that seems to relay the pertinent info | 18:50 |
| trx | yeah | 18:50 |
| jonwil | ok, combining all the sources of information I have (including MeeGo MCE, diablo MCE, Harmattan MCE, reverse enginereed Fremantle MCE, meegotouch-systemui and everything else, I should soon be making a post to the mailing list explaining the interfaces you need so you can replace the tklock systemui plugin with a new one | 18:50 |
| hiemanshu | ok, so even the last list is out now | 18:52 |
| * jonwil thinks it would have been better if the N950 had the same slider-type mechanism as the N900 rather than the flimsy-looking hinge it actually has | 18:55 | |
| jonwil | btw, is there a set of N950 hardware specs out there anywhere? | 18:55 |
| jonwil | or N9 specs for that matter? | 18:55 |
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| Jaffa | jonwil: http://www.mobile.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ | 18:58 |
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| jonwil | lol, http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950-3997.php claims n950 has JAVA | 19:00 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: you can install openjdk for it :P | 19:01 |
| jonwil | :P | 19:01 |
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| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Brits calling "Yah! We got rid of the Amercans day" | 19:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys fought awfully hard to keep us. :P | 19:04 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: no disco lights yet? | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not so far. :( | 19:05 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: just to make you feel special ;) | 19:06 |
| hiemanshu | maybe now that the lists are done, we should all spam the thread with 'WHERE IZ MY LAUNCHPAD' | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do people gotta retweet their political tomfoolery. . . . | 19:06 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles, alterego : http://i.imgur.com/Z63Vn.png | 19:09 |
| jonwil | Why does it seem like all my N900 efforts keep ending up at dead ends | 19:09 |
| alterego | jonwil: because the N900 is dead? | 19:09 |
| * alterego chuckles | 19:09 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: We may have fought at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 :-p | 19:10 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: atleast we have common enemies :P | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's still looking like the right choice from over here. :P | 19:11 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: lets team up and capture UK now | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, who would want it? | 19:12 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: we can make it our dumping ground | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | On a lighter note, do we want to bet what timezone the people in charge of the LaunchPad auths are in? | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | we made a bet on .fi | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Hey, our economy's (a bit) better than yours | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: they have legal pot :P | 19:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, we're on the long, slow road to serfdom over here. | 19:15 |
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| Macer | wow. phones sure have eliminated the need for quite a few electronics | 19:17 |
| Macer | no need for a digital cam, camcorder, or gps | 19:17 |
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| Macer | if someone does it right then there would be no need for a laptop anymore | 19:18 |
| Macer | heh | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, dunno about eliminated. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But reduced the necessity for most. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what technology usually does, though. Improves efficiency. | 19:19 |
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| fiferboy | I'd like to see *someone* get through the Launchpad process; they should be able to get some people through quickly | 19:22 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Yeah, I want some apps ;-) | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Annoyingly, one of the primary drivers for Hermes - the large avatar shown on incoming calls - is replaced with an 80x80 version of the avatar on Harmattan. | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Too minimalist | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Is that a limitation of the avatar stored on the device, or the call screen won't display a larger image? | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: The call screen doesn't show it larger. I don't *think* it rescales | 19:28 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Let me guess - the call screen code is not available? | 19:29 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Nope | 19:29 |
| GAN900 | Oh, Nokia | 19:30 |
| GAN900 | You never learn | 19:30 |
| GAN900 | I can't believe that they wouldn't be shipping updates for devs as frequently as possible. | 19:31 |
| lardman | sod updates, what about the device ;) | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | :) | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | Given this is the group doing all it can (for free) to keep your platform from being completely irrelevant | 19:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | lardman, well, I'm trying not to sound TOO selfish. | 19:32 |
| lardman | lol | 19:32 |
| fiferboy | At least they are (hopefully) getting a device out to devs before the commercial device | 19:33 |
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| fiferboy | Or: at least Jaffa got one - can't he fix everything? | 19:33 |
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| hiemanshu | well DocScrutinizer has a launchpad account and he still hasn't got one | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | yes, Jaffa could fix everything. | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | If he had 5 years and a million dollar paycheck. | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Critics say that roundabouts are more difficult to navigate for unfamiliar American drivers, lead to higher taxes and accidents, and require everyday acts of spontaneous co-operation and yielding to others acts that are 'un-American.'" | 19:37 |
| RST38h | (C)Slashdot | 19:37 |
| lardman | lol | 19:37 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, saw that, absolutely ridiculous | 19:37 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:38 |
| RST38h | They do suck though =) | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | Oh and also: "British-style roundabouts"... | 19:38 |
| * lardman heads for home to do some more Proximus work | 19:38 | |
| lardman | RST38h: no they don't suck, they are great fun when it's wet | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | I mean, if there's any country that's entitled to getting the crown for creating the roundabout, it's France. | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | There's one every 50 meters | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | they even put them up for bikes... | 19:38 |
| lardman | anyway, catch you chaps tomorrow, hopefully with emails too.... | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Dry ones are fun too | 19:39 |
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| GAN900 | Roundabouts are used fairly pointlessly here. | 19:41 |
| GAN900 | What they usually end up turning into (thanks to incompetent drivers) are two-way stops. | 19:41 |
| RST38h | More orless, yes | 19:41 |
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| hiemanshu | finally, we have people asking about launchpad on the thread, and nothing else to talk about, /me hopes for a reply now | 20:04 |
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| odin_ | doing rounds in UK news today (but seems 9 months old news) time to port the new killer app for Maemo http://www.tacticalnav.com/ features: one-click airstrike function, with augmented reality targeting feature (no need for force-feedback handsets), quick someone patent it | 20:06 |
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| hiemanshu | odin_: but we have no money to do that :( | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | hiemanshu: Nokia's innovator network thing will patent things for you and give you some of the cash | 20:08 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: really? wow | 20:08 |
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| odin_ | that was my attempt at humour with todays news article http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/13928538 "Getting shot at by Taliban fighters and need to call an air strike? There's an app for that." | 20:11 |
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| antman8969 | /msg | 20:19 |
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| hiemanshu | http://twitter.com/#!/quimgil/status/87928692956872704 | 20:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, cablefinder? | 20:30 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: looks like quim cant do anything now, so we are pretty much screwed :/ | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, how do you mean? | 20:32 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: well, if they haven't approved something from the last 4 months, the ones that applied recently will have to wait another 4 months | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sure hope not. | 20:33 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: so put the disco lights on hold and waiting for christmas :P | 20:33 |
| hiemanshu | s/waiting/wait | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd make the whole program rather . . . pointless. | 20:33 |
| hiemanshu | ah well, lets hope | 20:34 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: oh and there are summer holidays | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Surely they've planned for this. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Given it's Quim, I doubt it's going to be an issue. | 20:35 |
| hiemanshu | now, I am just starting to start insane :P | 20:35 |
| hiemanshu | s/start/sound | 20:35 |
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| * MohammadAG just hopes it arrives before Monday | 20:41 | |
| MohammadAG | which doesn't seem the case :) | 20:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you mean the first monday of 2012? | 20:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: or the one after 21st dec 2012? | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | no, I mean 11/7 | 20:42 |
| hiemanshu | 11/7/2012 | 20:42 |
| trx | i can't log in in the damn wiki.meego.com | 20:43 |
| trx | any tips? | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | log in on meego.com first | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, got a calendar? | 20:43 |
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| hiemanshu | trx: log out of meego.com and re do it | 20:43 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: what are those? :P | 20:44 |
| trx | i tried that | 20:44 |
| trx | like 20 times | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | cause 11/7 isn't a Monday in 2012 | 20:44 |
| trx | cleared cookies | 20:44 |
| trx | etc | 20:44 |
| trx | still no luck :/ | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | be smarter next time :P | 20:44 |
| hiemanshu | trx: you have to log out of meego.com, and then re-login via the wiki page | 20:44 |
| trx | tried FF and chrome | 20:44 |
| hiemanshu | trx: that should work | 20:44 |
| trx | hiemanshu tried that too :( | 20:44 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yo dawg, I heard you like dates, so I stole everyonez calendarz | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | apparently you don't know how to use them :P | 20:45 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: lol, well I just hope they do it before I move to my new place next month | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, going on holiday this month, i've already delayed it 5 days :P | 20:46 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: maybe we can hire lulzsec to hack em, and approve our requests :P | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG | they can pull a sony and close the site for a month :p | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | on a partially related note | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | WTF is lulzsec | 20:48 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: its a team of elite hackers aka script kiddies, trying to have fun | 20:48 |
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| dm8tbr | I thought lulzsec dissolved? | 20:49 |
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| hiemanshu | thats what they want everyone to think, they'll come back with another name | 20:50 |
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| hiemanshu | or when they have found other scripts to hack | 20:50 |
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| fusi | back from glastonbury | 21:19 |
| fusi | phew | 21:19 |
| fusi | n900 lasted the entire week no problems | 21:19 |
| fusi | with this lil 5000mah charger thing | 21:20 |
| fusi | did i forget to mention how much i freaking love my n900? xD | 21:20 |
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| alterego | :) | 21:20 |
| fusi | that panorama app is _very_ good | 21:20 |
| fusi | took some epic pics | 21:20 |
| fusi | my max time between charges is now 1 day, 20 hours :D | 21:21 |
| X-Fade | fusi: Now that is just teasing :) Pics or it didn't happen :) | 21:21 |
| fusi | hehe | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | ~flashing | 21:21 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:21 |
| fusi | X-Fade: 2 secs | 21:21 |
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| Sicelo | btw, do i flash vanilla first or combined? | 21:22 |
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| fusi | Sicelo: the wiki has a page on that | 21:22 |
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| Sicelo | ok:/ | 21:23 |
| alterego | So, who's gonna make wagers on launchpad emails tomorrow? | 21:23 |
| alterego | I still think Wednesday | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Elop cancelled the program. | 21:23 |
| alterego | what!? | 21:23 |
| alterego | At bitch! | 21:23 |
| alterego | that .. | 21:23 |
| alterego | F'ing americans | 21:24 |
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| alterego | Meh, at least I should have an N8 to play with by the end of the week. | 21:24 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: eh? | 21:25 |
| alterego | Looking forward to playing with digi compass and accel stuff for columbus | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: I say thursday | 21:25 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: m'kay | 21:25 |
| alterego | I say wednesday, or the end of next week :) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | I say they're already on their way | 21:25 |
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| X-Fade | I'd say they only had one and sent that one to Jaffa ;) | 21:26 |
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| alterego | Hah | 21:26 |
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| hiemanshu | X-Fade: dont make me hate him more | 21:26 |
| alterego | He's a bitch. | 21:26 |
| * alterego chuckles | 21:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, (spit!) | 21:26 |
| alterego | At least now we get get solid launchpad confirmations. | 21:27 |
| hiemanshu | I hate him enough to hire henchmen | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | Elop is (IIRC) Canadian | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hey, shouldn't you be out and about getting druk or so? | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, nothing good ever came out of Canada. | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, sitting here watching the ball game with some friends. | 21:27 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You watching the Red Sox and Jays? | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Must not be very good then :) | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Drank myself drunk Saturday night for a friend's going away party (Air Force). | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So I'm done with teh alcohol for the week. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, Twins and Rays, duh. | 21:28 |
| alterego | Which makes the process easier next time .. | 21:28 |
| alterego | Not that there will be a next time. | 21:28 |
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| fiferboy | alterego: You got a Launchpad confirmation? | 21:28 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: how we wish | 21:29 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo :P | 21:29 |
| rm_you | so is SnapGo the final name? :P | 21:29 |
| rm_you | i noticed Doc put that on his wiki entry | 21:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, not necessarily. | 21:30 |
| rm_you | so i added it too, i guess we can call that the working title? | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the name I've settled on for the time being. | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not attached. | 21:30 |
| rm_you | kk | 21:30 |
| rm_you | yeah | 21:30 |
| rm_you | working title it is | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, stupid Sox. | 21:30 |
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| alterego | fiferboy: no, I'm just saying this ddp is a good foot in the door for those that might want to take advantage of it in the future. | 21:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk: hows the sleep patterns? :) :) | 21:36 |
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| fusi | http://www.sekaita.com/blog/glastonbury-2011 | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, working apparently :P | 21:38 |
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| X-Fade | fusi: Cool shots :) | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG :) | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | fusi: Looks like you had great weather to go with it? | 21:42 |
| fusi | got some more but my server is RLY slow :) | 21:42 |
| fusi | mmmm sort of | 21:42 |
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| fusi | rained a lot first 2 days, then had blistering heat wave heh | 21:42 |
| fusi | was hard walking round cos the mud turned to glue :) | 21:43 |
| fusi | a few more days rest and ill start back on that twitter plugin | 21:45 |
| bertey | hello guys, im looking for an application for my n900 device, which automatically answers via sms when i receive a sms with a certain "code" like 1234 - does something exist? | 21:45 |
| fusi | try smscon | 21:46 |
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| fusi | time for a naughty cig | 21:47 |
| fusi | o/ | 21:47 |
| bertey | thanks | 21:47 |
| konttori_work | Jaffa: Do you want to enable landscape home on your n950? | 21:49 |
| konttori_work | cat /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css | 21:50 |
| konttori_work | MainWindowStyle { | 21:50 |
| konttori_work | locked-orientation: ""; | 21:50 |
| konttori_work | } | 21:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:50 |
| alterego | neat | 21:50 |
| konttori_work | Put that to the file and home will start supporting landscape | 21:50 |
| alterego | I need to check out the qml a bit more | 21:50 |
| alterego | in harmattan | 21:50 |
| konttori_work | I thought that's a nice thing somebody could do us all a favor and create a deb for it or something. | 21:51 |
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| fiferboy | konttori_work: Are third-party themes supported? | 21:51 |
| konttori_work | fiferboy: Yeah, but there is no setting plugin for those. | 21:52 |
| konttori_work | Somebody would need to package that | 21:52 |
| * konttori_work is looking at community | 21:52 | |
| konttori_work | Lemme see if I can find the sources for it.... | 21:52 |
| konttori_work | You can change themes just by setting a gconf key. | 21:53 |
| * alterego can see a nice themes app for him to work on ... | 21:53 | |
| alterego | konttori_work: are themes planned? | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | S'too bad. The guy who was gonna do the theme work didn't get a device. | 21:54 |
| alterego | I.E a theme selector in settings? | 21:54 |
| konttori_work | alterego: interesting question. I'm wondering about that every now and then. | 21:54 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: Don't see meegotouchhome dir in /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/ :( | 21:54 |
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| alterego | I'm interested to see how operators customise the UX .. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, base? | 21:55 |
| konttori_work | X-Fade: I think you need to create it | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: Ah. | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: trying... | 21:55 |
| konttori_work | blanco is inheriting base and overriding things from it. | 21:55 |
| * dm8tbr idly ponders what will be the place on irc where people will discuss the n9/n950 in the future as 'maemo' is kind of politically incorrect | 21:55 | |
| konttori_work | So, base of course does contain it, and contains for that property the value:"Portrait" (or something) | 21:55 |
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| konttori_work | Here is the theme applet: http://meego.gitorious.net/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets/trees/master/src/themeapplet | 21:59 |
| konttori_work | I suppose I could see if we (Nokia) would be ever so kind as to pull it in to some update release. | 21:59 |
| konttori_work | I know 1.1 is out of the question, as it's coming so fast. | 21:59 |
| konttori_work | But 1.2 could be conceivable. | 21:59 |
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| X-Fade | konttori_work: Hmm didn't work after reboot. Checking if I made a typo :) | 22:00 |
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| konttori_work | Anyway, it's a long time for pr1.2, so in the meanwhile, it would be great if somebody would package that. | 22:00 |
| alterego | konttori_work: do you know anything about N950 updates? Like how long we can expect to see them? | 22:00 |
| konttori_work | alterego: N9 flash works in N950 | 22:00 |
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| konttori_work | So, once the sales release (1.0) is made, then it's about a week or two until you'll get your hands on it. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_work, MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan 1.1? | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_work, how likely is it the N950 will get an updated image before the N9 is out? | 22:02 |
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| konttori_work | very likely | 22:02 |
| alterego | m'kay, what about a more updated dev image? I've heard a few people brick them and can't flash as the image on nokia dev is older .. | 22:02 |
| alterego | Sweet | 22:02 |
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| * dm8tbr is happy to see the flasher is available now as separate download | 22:03 | |
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| * X-Fade looks at icons in landscape :D | 22:04 | |
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| alterego | :) | 22:04 |
| Venemo | X-Fade, wut? | 22:04 |
| alterego | That's cool, so Harmattan home is a QML overlay | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: 's trick worked. | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | Oh, but on rotate it messes up rendering once. | 22:05 |
| alterego | With a bit of poking we should be able to create custom home screens :) | 22:05 |
| alterego | X-Fade: probably why it's disabled ;) | 22:06 |
| X-Fade | Some icons move to other parts :) | 22:06 |
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| X-Fade | You need to scroll all the way up and down for it to reflow them. | 22:06 |
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| hiemanshu | http://www.reddit.com/r/n900/comments/igbgu/warning_dont_return_your_n900_for_warranty_repair/ <--- wonder if that is jaffa | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | There have been a few people who have had that happen to them. | 22:09 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 22:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, I thinkk I was one of the lucky last few .. | 22:10 |
| alterego | To get a repaired usb | 22:11 |
| * alterego is gonna have to be extra careful now .. | 22:11 | |
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| Mece | hello | 22:13 |
| frals | Mece: where is qlister?! | 22:14 |
| NIN101_ | I bought mine from amazon and send it back to them last month and got a complete new one. | 22:14 |
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| alterego | I like how the harmattan ui isn't scared of reduced margins due to the nice glass | 22:15 |
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| NIN101_ | So if you want an N900 back, avoid nokia care centers. | 22:17 |
| Mece | frals, where's my N950? | 22:19 |
| frals | Mece: ;< | 22:19 |
| hiemanshu | eating dust at the nokia HQ | 22:19 |
| Mece | alterego, did you get your device already? | 22:20 |
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| alterego | Mece: nope, | 22:22 |
| Mece | alterego, any word? (I've gotten nothing) | 22:23 |
| * khertan is waiting launchpad | 22:25 | |
| Mece | khertan, me too.. | 22:26 |
| * khertan think it s the case for everyone except for iznogood | 22:27 | |
| Jaffa | konttori_work: ooh, certainly interested | 22:27 |
| khertan | (jaffa) ... | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | hiemanshu: Not me, but it certainly sounds like it | 22:27 |
| konttori_work | X-Fade: ah, good to hear that! What kind of reordering issues? | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | Btw, konttori's hack also changes every other swipe panel :) | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: It doesn't reflow the icons. | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: So if you change orientations, you get gaps. | 22:28 |
| * khertan is happy, he as successfully put a QTextEdit with QSyntaxHighlighting in a QML View :) | 22:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | khertan, there are a couple people who have LaunchPad accounts but no devices yet. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, we'll see. | 22:29 |
| konttori_work | X-Fade: odd. Hmm.. I'll see what I can do about that. There is probably missing some .Landscape definition somewhere. | 22:29 |
| khertan | yep ... w8 and see ;) | 22:29 |
| * Jaffa would *love* to know how to not have his app auto-repaint as portrait in the task switcher, despite declaring an intention to have fixed landscape orientation | 22:29 | |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: Swiping to another view and coming back fixes it. | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: So maybe just a missing redraw or so. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, where's your source? | 22:30 |
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| * khertan still don't know how to do the ui things to be able to open multiple file in KhtEditor, with only one window ... qml is limiting possibilities | 22:31 | |
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| * khertan bet that harmattan qt component will be available before he get the n950 in his mailbox | 22:31 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: gitorious | 22:31 |
| * khertan bet that harmattan qt component for freemantle will be available before he get the n950 in his mailbox | 22:32 | |
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| * khertan will probably experiment some gui concept now for KhtQmlEditor | 22:32 | |
| khertan | :) | 22:32 |
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| konttori_work | X-Fade: I'll test it in a while on current version. | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: I'm testing it on the one with the curious version number jump :) | 22:34 |
| konttori_work | Jaffa: alterego: If you are interested in harmattan themes, read this: http://wiki.meego.com/Theming_in_MeeGo_Touch | 22:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles should probably learn git at some point. | 22:35 | |
| khertan | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 854x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac +extension Composite & | 22:35 |
| khertan | oups | 22:35 |
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| alterego | Heh | 22:36 |
| alterego | Do you really type that in manually everytime? | 22:36 |
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| khertan | nope copy paste | 22:36 |
| khertan | in fact ... select, middle click | 22:36 |
| gri | desktop shortcurts are lame? :D | 22:37 |
| khertan | and it s should end up in the transpart gnome terminal | 22:37 |
| khertan | where a vim was running writing a little script | 22:37 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: ping? :) | 22:38 |
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| alterego | I have a launche that does it | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS X users, what's the name of the new project that's replacing Fink and MacPorts? | 22:40 |
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| konttori_work | This allows runtime change of theme: gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/theme/name base | 22:40 |
| konttori_work | gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/theme/name blanco | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Homebrew. | 22:42 |
| macmaN | GeneralAntilles gentoo prefix :> | 22:43 |
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| khertan | Using the sdk did you get also coredump while using the mouse scroll wheel ? | 22:44 |
| cityLights | hi khertan | 22:45 |
| khertan | hi cityLights | 22:45 |
| cityLights | odd but I found this odity | 22:46 |
| cityLights | if I add a sys.stdout.write the program does update the cellular readings | 22:47 |
| cityLights | other wise it doesnt | 22:47 |
| cityLights | now, the cellular readings I found are interesting | 22:48 |
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| konttori_work | X-Fade: the issue still happens on latest meegotouchhome | 22:59 |
| konttori_work | I created a bug for it to internal bugzilla. | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | konttori_work: Ok, cool. | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | Well.. not so much, but still :) | 22:59 |
| Macer | haha | 23:00 |
| gri | konttori_work: Any dates when the sdk update will come? one month? | 23:01 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: pong | 23:04 |
| konttori_work | gri: I haven't really been following the SDK dates so carefully. I think in about 3 weeks time. Then you would also get a new flash image. | 23:04 |
| konttori_work | But I could be totally wrong and don't quote me on that. | 23:05 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Although I missed your MeeGoConf session, I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on Hermes UI having seen Harmattan's UX guidelines | 23:11 |
| * RST38h heyas at waz | 23:12 | |
| RST38h | d | 23:12 |
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| Jartza | I bought a tool, a finish nailer | 23:45 |
| Jartza | http://tulilahti.fi/laatuvehje.jpg | 23:45 |
| Jartza | (not finnish nailer :) | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:46 |
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| cehteh | wtf is a "finish nailer"? | 23:49 |
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| cehteh | ah .. google helps | 23:49 |
| cehteh | Jartza: and now using that to reattach the broken usb port? :) | 23:50 |
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| hiemanshu | Jartza: a lot of people would prefer the finnish nailer :P | 23:54 |
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| Jartza | cehteh: haven't tried yet, but that's a good idea :) | 23:58 |
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