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| FIQ|n900 | dragly, do you have the device or just loan it? | 00:15 |
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| FIQ|n900 | the N950 i mean | 00:17 |
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| messerting | My N900 clock is constantly 2 minutes off. I have set "update automatically" in the clock settings. From where does it sync? | 00:26 |
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| X-Fade | messerting: gsm network. | 00:26 |
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| angelox | Hi all | 00:27 |
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| angelox | installed kernel-power by running "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" on console and now Camera,Bluetooth and Lock Button doesn't work ... | 00:27 |
| messerting | X-Fade: Ok, so I should blame my provider. Hm, well, or live with those 2 minutes off.. | 00:27 |
| X-Fade | messerting: Or just disable that. The clock is fairly stable. | 00:27 |
| smhar | will N9 allow the the use of multiple 'Desktops' like N900? | 00:28 |
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| X-Fade | smhar: There are no desktops as such. | 00:29 |
| X-Fade | smhar: no widgets | 00:29 |
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| smhar | X-Fade, that sucks !!!!! why would they do that?!! | 00:29 |
| messerting | X-Fade: ah, good idea. But then I loose the automatic change when I travel abroad, right? | 00:30 |
| X-Fade | messerting: Yes, but you are aware of time changes then. | 00:30 |
| X-Fade | messerting: Or at least it is likely. | 00:30 |
| messerting | yep, true, I hope.. :) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: you also can go for ntpd | 00:31 |
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| messerting | DocScrutinizer: yes - easy to setup? | 00:31 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: If you want to kill battery life :) | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: just if you got frequent connectivity | 00:31 |
| angelox | some idea? | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yeah, I don't think ntpd is particularly suited for mobile with random connectivity | 00:32 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: pretty frequent, at least once a day. | 00:32 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: And it prevents the device from sleeping. | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: you could used the ntpd parameter equivalent to the meanwhile binned ntpdate/ntptime | 00:33 |
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| messerting | prevents from sleeping? err, doesn't sound good | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | the best use it each time you set up connection, via a hook in ifup or sth | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: yes, ntpd doesn't care about cpu and network usage | 00:34 |
| X-Fade | Or just set your time every time you travel. | 00:34 |
| X-Fade | 2 seconds work vs a lot more to set it up properly :) | 00:34 |
| messerting | Ok, will see how stable the local clock is, and try to remember to change time on travel | 00:34 |
| X-Fade | Fight the right battles. | 00:34 |
| messerting | thanks for the input. Will go back and read about the weird N9 news... | 00:35 |
| rm_you | weird n9 news? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: but honestly, I think calling ntpd once every hour or twice a day, to adjust your sysclock and hw-clock is best and most simple | 00:35 |
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| messerting | DocScrutinizer: agreed, will look into it. Is there a step-by-step wiki available..? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: you might want to have a look at alarmed app | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ideal for such cron-like scheduling | 00:36 |
| messerting | rm_you: yes, weird: "meego is dead, wp7 is the future, developer only n950 phone, oh, and a meego N9 (not really meego, but maemo 5)" | 00:37 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: ok, will do | 00:37 |
| rm_you | oh | 00:37 |
| rm_you | so, the original news from a few days ago. k :P | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ntpd -q | 00:37 |
| rm_you | was afraid i missed something crazt | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | twice a day | 00:37 |
| rm_you | *crazy | 00:38 |
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| messerting | rm_you: eh, yep, I should have said "old news" :) | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | disable GSM sync, if your carrier is flaky | 00:38 |
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| messerting | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks :) | 00:38 |
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| angelox|laptop | I'm back with the same question: I installed kernel-power by running "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" and now Camera,Bluetooth and lock button doesn't work...i installed kernel-power correctly ? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't miss on hwclock --systohc --noadjfile immediately after successfull invocation | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | messerting: ^ | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | actulally hwclock --systohc --noadjfile --utc afaik | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so: ntpd -q && hwclock --systohc --noadjfile --utc afaik | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | might have "typos", so please check | 00:42 |
| merlin1991 | hm anybody else not able to run qt-creator under ubuntu lucid? | 00:42 |
| merlin1991 | (talking about the one from the repos) | 00:42 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks - is it "openntpd" package I need to install? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think yes | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure ntpd isn't linked in to system init when installing it, though | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you don't want to have ntpd running daemonized all the time, as X-Fade mentioned above | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: may I as who's your GSM carrier? | 00:46 |
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| messerting | DocScrutinizer: Norwegian carrier, I think it is Netcom (my subscription is to another company, using that network) | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that might explain it | 00:50 |
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| messerting | DocScrutinizer: Ok, so I installed openntpd and is started ntpd. Should I remove a symlink in /etc/init... or something, right? | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc the time message via GSM has a really weird format, and also some unexpected bits. And if you maybe are forwarded to another host or sth... dunno | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: (init) yes | 00:52 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: the "ntpd" that comes with openntpd doesn't support the -q flag... | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe it still has ntpdate or ntptime or sth like that as separate command | 00:53 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: Hm, only ntp* command is ntpd (according to tab completion) | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | from ntpd manpage: >> -q Exit the ntpd just after the first time the clock is set. This behavior mimics that of the ntpdate pro- gram, which is to be retired. The -g and -x options can be used with this option. | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | openntpd is openbsd's replacement to "real" ntpd. It's far less advanced | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why we got an openntpd pkg instead of the "real" good stuff | 00:56 |
| messerting | Well, I'm removing openntpd now. will rely on the internal clock. | 00:56 |
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| vi__ | s | 01:03 |
| vi__ | did you guys get that? | 01:03 |
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| joga | the s? | 01:04 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: did you get what i just wrote or did my damn connect crap out again? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 00:03:10] <vi__> s | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 00:03:19] <vi__> did you guys get that? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's all | 01:04 |
| vi__ | damnit | 01:05 |
| vi__ | ok | 01:05 |
| NIN101 | I saw a discussion about this "asked for lock code after reflash thing" here recently and maybe this information could be useful somehow for somebody: I just flashed roofs and I was asked for it... | 01:05 |
| vi__ | here goes again | 01:05 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: yo | 01:05 |
| vi__ | I saw your enhanced lock and almost backflipped with joy. You asked for 'suggestions'. If I may be so bold, I suggest a major enhancement would be an option of unlocking with double click of power button. | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: it been enabled before you flashed? | 01:05 |
| NIN101 | yes | 01:05 |
| vi__ | i.e. double click already locks the screen. | 01:05 |
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| vi__ | current I press power once while the screen is locked and it shows the 'lock' screen. | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: thanks for reporting | 01:06 |
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| vi__ | add an option that allows me to press power button once on lock screen to unlock. | 01:06 |
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| vi__ | tl;dr, map power button to 'unlock' phone on lock screen. | 01:06 |
| vi__ | thank you for your time and effort. | 01:07 |
| vi__ | I O U 1 BEER | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG doesn't enjoy beer ;-) | 01:08 |
| vi__ | uh...milk? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | who said so? :P | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | double press to unlock? completely doable | 01:08 |
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| vi__ | MohammadAG: i know! | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | is N9 using accelerometer or ts to do it? | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | proximity for sure | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do what? | 01:09 |
| vi__ | that sucks | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | double-tap unlock | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:10 |
| vi__ | you have to keep ts on all the time | 01:10 |
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| vi__ | what is the quiescent current of a crapacitiv ts? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question, sane concept uses lis302 as touchscreen probably has no doubleclick detect | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they have lis302 or similar | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus correct hw IRQ line | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | on the order of uA I'd think | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | does N900 have irq line? | 01:11 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're, as usual, being optimistic! | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | physically | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | even 2 ;-D | 01:12 |
| javispedro | "worse is good" | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw N900 has r-ts which doesn't need any power on idle, and also creates irq - usually | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no doubleclick detect though | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you always wake cpu when device is in your pocket while jogging | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why you completely lock the screen | 01:14 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, double tap afaik | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, from description of N9, it seems it ignores double-tap if it's in pocket (proximity sensor?) | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, got any pointers to the driver's name? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | which one? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 touchscreen? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be interesting | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've seen something, darn, I forgot | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody string'ed the image | 01:17 |
| vi__ | ok | 01:18 |
| vi__ | gtg | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting 'next sensor in phone' - that's being pushed - I have a sample of a 1.6mm*1.6mm I2C temperature sensor - $1.5@1K | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Non-contact | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | "next sensor"? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | non-contact means distance? | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | IR | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | All in a nice easy to use package. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | TI (which now seems down) | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, thermometer for detecting flu ;-P | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess for face sensing | 01:19 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: also some bro suggested the status bar could be visable in task manager screen. | 01:19 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: cool indeed | 01:19 |
| vi__ | food for thought | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | seem that contactless swipe sensor? | 01:19 |
| vi__ | bb | 01:20 |
| vi__ | :q | 01:20 |
| javispedro | know your phone will report you to the WHO directly | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | s/know/now | 01:20 |
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| * ShadowJK has a "normal" non-IR i2c temp sensor with 0.0625C resolution that can tell the difference between human moving within 2m and human moving away from within 2m | 01:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast when the readings are interpreted by human staring at gnuplot :P | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tmp006.html | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a touchless thermometer of sufficient precision could indeed become a nice gimmick | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | I want one with <10 degree FOV | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I want a hundred pixel one | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | yeah or that | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can put a hole in front of it. | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | But I decided that actual arrays are too expensive | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:24 |
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| ShadowJK | though I've seen a 6 pixel one that was kinda affordable | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some awesome thermal cameras out there. | 01:24 |
| Shapeshifter | a 6 pixel what? | 01:24 |
| cehteh | http://urfin.soup.io/post/141032053/via-Geek-And-Poke-G | 01:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, 6 pixel infrared temperature sensor | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | basically 6 IR sensors in one package, with 90 deg vertical and something smaller than 90 deg field-of-view in the other direction | 01:26 |
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| cehteh | .. and detecting the polarization of the IR ... | 01:27 |
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| cehteh | dunno whats that good for, but someone will find out :P | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | I've seen people mount them on servos to pan&scan, building up a crude image | 01:27 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RING RIIINNGG... "Hello?" "Good morning, this is your contraception app, please keep the phone at your ear until the beep ends! Beeeeeeeeeeeep" | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | it gives you brain cancer because it forces you to stare at the phone for years? | 01:34 |
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| smhar | can I use latest maemo in N810 device? | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo5? no | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | There was Mer, and then came MeeGo | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and meego's chances to ever get on N8x0 are... :-S | 01:39 |
| javispedro | oh, it's already there | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | really? | 01:39 |
| javispedro | it of course depends on your definition of meego. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | Mer seemed like a better candidate for the N8x0 | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | Would be probably more sensible to try do a meego core + xfce onto N8x0 | 01:41 |
| mrdongle | an updated n810 would be great | 01:41 |
| mrdongle | N910 | 01:41 |
| Atarii | woop, just bought an N900, any good starting points? | 01:41 |
| mrdongle | congrats Atarii | 01:42 |
| Atarii | thanks :) | 01:42 |
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| mrdongle | for learning about the device ? | 01:42 |
| Atarii | yea, I had a 770 a while back, so just need a refresher really. internettablettalk still good? | 01:43 |
| mrdongle | less good than in the 770 days | 01:43 |
| javispedro | mostly | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | touché =) | 01:44 |
| ds3 | anyone betting on how long the N9/N950 will remain on the market? | 01:44 |
| mrdongle | i remember people actually talking bout linuxy stuff on itt | 01:44 |
| Atarii | anyone used the modified injection enabled N900 drivers? | 01:44 |
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| smhar | No one can ever predict Nokia. but from the little I know about N9/N950, they are definitely less good that N900 | 01:46 |
| cehteh | good is subjective .. they have few advantages (and also some disadvantages) | 01:47 |
| mrdongle | microsoft is a cancer | 01:48 |
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| * cehteh thinks 1GB ram is finally sufficient | 01:48 | |
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| javispedro | sufficient for yesterday's handheld! | 01:48 |
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| cehteh | heh well you can max that out for sure | 01:49 |
| cehteh | but the 256MB on the n900 are maxed out when booted ... | 01:49 |
| javispedro | I do have to admit that it looks like one of the largest values in a handheld | 01:49 |
| derf | The N900 was certainly less good than the N810. | 01:49 |
| cehteh | i have constantly around 200MB in swap | 01:49 |
| javispedro | and that it's nice to see someone giving importance to RAM instead of more clock speed. | 01:50 |
| cehteh | so 1GB means no swapping and still some headroom for more demanding apps | 01:50 |
| javispedro | more interesting, large cache! | 01:50 |
| cehteh | yes | 01:50 |
| mrdongle | the cache size is larger than n900? | 01:51 |
| derf | I'm sure the memory bandwidth will still be terrible. | 01:51 |
| cehteh | derf: compared to flash bandwidth? :) | 01:51 |
| derf | Maybe not _that_ terrible. | 01:51 |
| javispedro | derf: it is the same | 01:51 |
| cehteh | i have no idea how much the memory bandwidth is .. but mmc/sd is terribly in sense of bandwidth and moreover latency/tps | 01:52 |
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| cehteh | the n9 with certainly peform 3 times better with the same workload than the n900 | 01:53 |
| javispedro | ?? | 01:53 |
| javispedro | no way =) | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's not got the same workload | 01:53 |
| cehteh | hey my n900 is constantly sapping | 01:53 |
| cehteh | swapping | 01:53 |
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| ds3 | add more memory | 01:54 |
| ds3 | ;) | 01:54 |
| * SpeedEvil pondered that. | 01:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | I can't find anyone who will ship the memory | 01:54 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: what size and how many do you need? | 01:54 |
| cehteh | hey and wait until people find out how to overclock it to 2GHZ :P | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: 168 ball for POP 512M | 01:54 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: for the OMAP3530 POP right? | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:55 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: if I get the memory, can you do the bootloader work to support it? | 01:55 |
| cehteh | heh .. desoldering the omap isnt hard enough .. lets repackage it :) | 01:55 |
| Hurrian | which reminds me. where's the RAM on the N900?\ | 01:55 |
| ds3 | desoldering the OMAP is trivial | 01:55 |
| Hurrian | is it inside the SOC? | 01:55 |
| cehteh | Hurrian: yes | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Hurrian: No - it's soldered on the top | 01:55 |
| ds3 | Hurrian: it is on TOP of the SoC | 01:55 |
| cehteh | well that counts as yes, somewhat :) | 01:56 |
| Hurrian | the fffffffffffffff, nokia meant it literally? | 01:56 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: I should be able to get the memory, I just don't have time to do the SW work for it | 01:56 |
| Hurrian | "the system memory and onenand are ontop of the omap3 AP" | 01:56 |
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| ds3 | Is the N900 OneNAND? | 01:56 |
| Hurrian | yes. | 01:56 |
| ds3 | Ohhh it is a samsung part | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The easiest way to do it is probably to get a new SOC (a 720MHz one) , and in a nitrogen atmosphere reflow the POP RAM on top of it | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | then reflow this onto the board with hot air and plenty of preheat underneath | 01:57 |
| ds3 | I can get the part replaced... got one done as a test job already | 01:57 |
| cehteh | yes something i do daily in my kitchen :P | 01:57 |
| Hurrian | speedevil, in before loads of people order omap3530 samples ;) | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't investigated the bootloader hacking required to get it working. | 01:57 |
| ds3 | is the N900 using the secure feature of the 3430? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't sample it | 01:57 |
| Hurrian | speedevil, i got one from TI | 01:58 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: you need to get x-loader to properly configure the memory | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Doesn't really matter - once you solder on your own 3530 - you pretty much own it. | 01:58 |
| ds3 | the ones I can get are plain NAND though so you'll need to redo a few drivers | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes. | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm - plain NAND won't work so well. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Most software needs RAM. | 01:58 |
| Hurrian | ds3, there's a tiny ROM inside the OMAP3 that downloads code from USB interface | 01:58 |
| ds3 | no no...there are some minor funny business with the 3430 part that is disabled/unsupported on the 3530 part | 01:58 |
| ds3 | what's wrong with plain NAND? | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: The chip is ROM+RAM | 01:59 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: no no, you misunderstood - I mean I can get RAM + NAND. I was just told the current part is RAM + OneNAND (samsung) | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 01:59 |
| ds3 | I can even get RAM only | 01:59 |
| Hurrian | oh, now i know what those pads on top of the 3530 are for | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Alas - it's an idle rumination. | 01:59 |
| ds3 | but then you need to mod the board to boot off the eMMC | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Even given the parts, and the tools, I'm unlikely to have the time to omplete it. | 02:00 |
| Hurrian | ds3, can be done in NOLO | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | (actually - I probably have the tools) | 02:00 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: ah :( oh well... | 02:00 |
| ds3 | I just did basically that on the BB | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Though nitrogen reflow would be nice. | 02:00 |
| ds3 | Hurrian: but no sources for the NOLO...makes it harder | 02:00 |
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| Hurrian | all we have to do is just feed NOLO a complete EMMC image and flash some other bootloader | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Well - yes - and no. | 02:01 |
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| Hurrian | exactly what does nolo do? | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: It's just a 'normal' bootloader then - no need to put nonlo bak on | 02:01 |
| Hurrian | run the kernel image and display splash? | 02:01 |
| ds3 | Hurrian: no, there are sysboot pins that may need to be reconfigured so the processor will pull the boot data off the eMMC instead of the NAND | 02:01 |
| Hurrian | ds3, ah, sorry, dont know much about ARM boot process | 02:02 |
| ds3 | is the eMMC on MMC1? | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: yes | 02:02 |
| ds3 | Nice | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall which is which actually | 02:02 |
| Hurrian | speedevil, mmc1 should be right | 02:02 |
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| Hurrian | maemo 5/nolo does something to change around the names | 02:02 |
| ds3 | Hmmm so Nokia put in extra parts for the uSD slot? | 02:02 |
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| ds3 | MMC1 can operate natively on 3.x volt... MMC2/MMC3 are 1.8V only so they require extra parts for an external slot | 02:03 |
| Hurrian | ds3, yes, they just put in a uSD slot despite the N900 having a massive 32GB | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | mmcblk0 is emmc | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | But if that means it's mmc0 | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | BB=blackberry? | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - beagleboard | 02:04 |
| ds3 | BB == beagleboard | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall any extra parts along the SD wiring other than ESD protection | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | There are _lots_ of ESD protection | 02:04 |
| Hurrian | ds3, think you can add another SD slot? | 02:04 |
| ds3 | I suspect they are using software trickery | 02:04 |
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| ds3 | Hurrian: nope...that requires a new PCB | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Hurrian: Sure. Unsolder the EMMC | 02:05 |
| ds3 | memory is easy to do | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And maybe a teeny amount of software tweaks | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle you can just do a SDIO card expander | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | SDIO->7 microSD | 02:05 |
| ds3 | that should just work assuming there is enough power | 02:06 |
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| angelox | Can someone help me? | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | angelox: Do you require CPR?. | 02:06 |
| angelox | sorry,cpr ? | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It might be a good idea if you ask your question. | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise it's kinda hard to tell. Sorry. | 02:07 |
| angelox | I installed kernel-power and my camera,bluetooth and lock button doesn't work correctly now | 02:07 |
| angelox | uname -r: 2.6.28.10-power47 | 02:08 |
| cehteh | thats strange, works for me | 02:09 |
| * merlin1991 starts to hate the twitter api | 02:09 | |
| cehteh | installed anything else? .. rebooted? | 02:09 |
| angelox | installed with "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" nothing else..rebooted 4 times | 02:10 |
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| angelox | remembering that my phone is flashed with rootfs and kernel from PR 1.3,nothing else... | 02:13 |
| * angelox sings "Help...i need somebody, Help...." | 02:18 | |
| cehteh | hehe .. no idea | 02:20 |
| angelox | should i flash my phone with all parts(not only kernel and rootfs) ? | 02:20 |
| cehteh | well using apt-get directly can have some bad sideffects | 02:20 |
| cehteh | run a ham update and see if it fixes anything | 02:21 |
| cehteh | well and what exactly is wrong? | 02:21 |
| angelox | bluetooth gives me errors,camera too and lock button simply doesn't do anything | 02:21 |
| cehteh | what errors | 02:21 |
| cehteh | try to reinstall the kernel with HAM | 02:22 |
| cehteh | prolly some dependency/module not installed? no idea | 02:22 |
| angelox | fail in operation (translated from my language, don't know if that's correct) | 02:22 |
| cehteh | what tells dmesg? | 02:22 |
| angelox | ham? command not found | 02:22 |
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| ds3 | beacon? | 02:23 |
| bindi | hildon application manager | 02:23 |
| cehteh | hildon application manager .. the slow gui thing | 02:23 |
| angelox | ahh ok,that i know :) | 02:23 |
| cehteh | at least once in a while and for critical updates you should use it | 02:23 |
| cehteh | it sprinkles some fairy dust over apt | 02:23 |
| angelox | just to say,i'm running a modified kernel,with kexecboot at the power up...i configured it to use that kernel when i boot maemo | 02:24 |
| cehteh | kexec? .. i didnt even known that thats supported on the device | 02:24 |
| cehteh | disable kexec, do a cold rebot | 02:24 |
| angelox | flashing original kernel works,but if i flash original kernel,and install kernel-power the problem is there too | 02:25 |
| angelox | kexec works in all of my friend's phones..only on my one no :( | 02:25 |
| cehteh | sure? | 02:25 |
| * angelox thinks that his n900 doesn't love his owner | 02:26 | |
| cehteh | i never tried kexec | 02:26 |
| cehteh | disable it and see | 02:26 |
| angelox | disable = flash original kernel | 02:26 |
| cehteh | that may be well the cause, missing to initialize some hardware, keep some stale registers whatever | 02:26 |
| cehteh | no .. just no kexec | 02:27 |
| cehteh | i have power-47 too but no kexec | 02:27 |
| cehteh | i didnt even know its ported and in the repositories | 02:27 |
| angelox | apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher | 02:27 |
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| angelox | i'll try it ok? | 02:27 |
| Hurrian | kexec would be in kexec-tools, and requires kernel-power | 02:27 |
| cehteh | disable kexec and do a cold reboot i saied .. is that so hard? | 02:27 |
| Hurrian | and angelox, the system is probably not seeing the gpio's | 02:28 |
| angelox | Hurrian,maybe,but my friends use the same zImage as mine and work for they | 02:28 |
| cehteh | cold reboot == remove battery | 02:28 |
| angelox | cehteh: Cold reboot? | 02:28 |
| angelox | ah ok | 02:28 |
| cehteh | (after turning it off) | 02:28 |
| cehteh | and no charger/usb connected | 02:28 |
| angelox | how to disable kexec,i only know do it doing "apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher" | 02:29 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, silly Astros and their lame timezone. | 02:29 |
| cehteh | how did you installed kexec? | 02:29 |
| cehteh | its for sure not default | 02:29 |
| angelox | cehteh: flashing a modified kernel,that haves it | 02:29 |
| angelox | btw,i'm not using kexec sorry,it's kexecboot | 02:29 |
| angelox | so it goes into kernel iirc | 02:30 |
| cehteh | eh? | 02:30 |
| cehteh | you know what kexec is? | 02:30 |
| angelox | yes | 02:30 |
| cehteh | well i cant even find kexec-tools in the repositories | 02:30 |
| angelox | but kexecboot is a bit different isn't? | 02:30 |
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| angelox | because that's compiled by SHR group... | 02:31 |
| angelox | that isn't on the repositories | 02:31 |
| cehteh | i dont know it? | 02:31 |
| cehteh | wtf kernel do you use there | 02:31 |
| angelox | i can give you the link of that | 02:31 |
| angelox | btw,sorry for saying something wrong,i'm a lot confused with that too (newbie in bootloaders...) | 02:32 |
| angelox | so i asked,should i coldflash my N900 to do everything correctly now? | 02:33 |
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| cehteh | there is a power-47 in some of the community repos (extras-devel? lemme check) | 02:35 |
| cehteh | if you install some non working kernel for somewhere else then dont be surprised ... even the normal power kernel comes with no warranty :P | 02:35 |
| angelox | you didn't understood | 02:38 |
| angelox | s/understood/understand/ | 02:38 |
| infobot | angelox meant: you didn't understand | 02:38 |
| cehteh | well ... i dont care about your problems, i am running the power-47 kernel without problems | 02:38 |
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| angelox | ok,so should i coldflash my phone? | 02:38 |
| angelox | and install power-47 kernel | 02:39 |
| cehteh | just deinstall the 3rd party kernel you currently have installed and go back to the stock nokia kernel | 02:39 |
| cehteh | and then check if anything works | 02:40 |
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| angelox | everything will work | 02:40 |
| cehteh | ok | 02:40 |
| cehteh | so why do you need the power-47 kernel then? | 02:40 |
| cehteh | well and then from where did you get it? | 02:41 |
| angelox | to use kexec feature | 02:41 |
| angelox | i get it by that command i said | 02:41 |
| cehteh | m( | 02:41 |
| angelox | apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg | 02:41 |
| cehteh | for what do you need kexec? | 02:41 |
| cehteh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power | 02:41 |
| cehteh | meego? | 02:42 |
| angelox | i'm a embedded developer,and i help to develop SHR(or at least,i try) and i need 2 distributions on my phone | 02:42 |
| cehteh | ok | 02:42 |
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| cehteh | well no idea why your phone doesnt work with the power kernel | 02:43 |
| angelox | see,i'm now with stock nokia kernel | 02:43 |
| cehteh | figure that out .. dmesg etc | 02:43 |
| angelox | can you give me the correct steps to install power kernel ? | 02:43 |
| angelox | i'll try again if you can help me | 02:43 |
| cehteh | use HAM | 02:43 |
| angelox | using extras-devel ? | 02:44 |
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| cehteh | extras-testing maybe i dont know which repo | 02:44 |
| cehteh | yes the page i pasted above tells -testing | 02:44 |
| cehteh | read it | 02:44 |
| cehteh | Have you problem with bluetooth on v47 and not on v46? See this: | 02:45 |
| cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=764 | 02:45 |
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| angelox | thank you,i installed with -devel so that could be the problem... | 02:46 |
| angelox | btw,invalid link | 02:46 |
| cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879: | 02:46 |
| cehteh | well read yourself | 02:47 |
| cehteh | i am out | 02:47 |
| angelox | ok,thanks by all | 02:47 |
| javispedro | even the clock app reminds of the webos | 02:53 |
| javispedro | which I guess is nice, cause I was having impure thoughts about the webos UI... | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | "some implementations of pulseaudio have a difficult time dealign with non-44k frequencies" hmm | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a ball player called Wandy Rodriguez. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure pronouncing it as "Wand-y" is incorrect. | 03:08 |
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| mrdongle | i would donate to a faster pulseaudio project | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | I have to admit, pulseaudio works pretty darn well on N900 | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | compared to like meego | 03:11 |
| * ShadowJK started his midsummer holiday with fixing a Vista computer, then loading MeeGo on his spare N900 | 03:11 | |
| javispedro | heh | 03:12 |
| javispedro | btw | 03:12 |
| javispedro | Nokia just said that launchpad n950 application deadline is july 31st | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | launchpad = you're a company? | 03:13 |
| javispedro | technically there's launchpad for individuals | 03:13 |
| javispedro | but for some reason they hate me | 03:13 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if he can create a company before 31st next month | 03:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | July 31st to give away 92,000k? | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | *g* | 03:14 |
| ShadowJK | My outside-actual-job activities last year and this year will have volume taking me close to the point where I have to | 03:14 |
| javispedro | cause I've been waiting since early this year to get mine approved and yet doc got his application approved on a single overnight | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Email support | 03:14 |
| javispedro | did yesterday, no answer yet | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | doc got his approved? | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bastard. | 03:15 |
| javispedro | the one where according to himself he put "blablabla", yes. | 03:15 |
| javispedro | _literally_ blablabla | 03:15 |
| javispedro | eh, DocScrutinizer? ;) | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | I thought 6 hours ago he was complaining that he has nothing else than "blablabla" to put there and had no possibility of getting approved | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, DocScrutinizer. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You so silly. | 03:16 |
| javispedro | I hereby swear that if ever get the change to edit my 400+ words application, i will delete them all and put "blablabla". | 03:17 |
| javispedro | *chance | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | I guess konttori bought a few badgers, coals, sausages and mustard for the Nokians deciding on device approval :P | 03:17 |
| javispedro | oh | 03:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Only finns will know why a badger would be beneficial ;P | 03:19 |
| javispedro | funnily enough, gmail-googling I found an email from nokia launchpad apologizing for the delay processing my application... sent on MARCH | 03:20 |
| javispedro | "If you have a contact within Forum Nokia, [...], please contact that person in order to expedite the reviewing of your membership application." | 03:20 |
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| javispedro | oh, I get how this works. | 03:20 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:20 |
| javispedro | where are those badgers and sausages? | 03:20 |
| ShadowJK | nepotism :) | 03:21 |
| ShadowJK | It's how I'd rule if I ruled the world | 03:21 |
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| javispedro | wikipedia, you always surprise me. | 03:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | the Nepotism article has a _list of examples_ | 03:22 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:22 |
| javispedro | by country. | 03:22 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism | 03:22 |
| ShadowJK | Wouldn't you want wiktionary or something | 03:22 |
| javispedro | and miss the list of spaniard nepotism examples? noway! | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/hp4.png | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | okay, how's that for a lock screen? | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | I was impressed by Meego N900 CE's lock screen | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | shadowjk, the drag to lock one? | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | both impressed and frustrated | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | it was slow on mine for some reason | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | cool nonetheless | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | frustrated because it appeared randomly, impressed by the drag key of unlocking and place key in the lock | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | oh yeah, the random appearances | 03:25 |
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| Hurrian | tis derpy | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, every animation, every transition are just silk smooth for me | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | atleast when I compare to Maemo5 | 03:25 |
| Hurrian | animations++ | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | First thing I noticed, apps take fucking ages to appear, but you can swipe menus with silk smoothness while waiting :P | 03:25 |
| Hurrian | shadowjk, settings is probably the worst offender | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 03:26 |
| Hurrian | holy fuck is the settings app slow | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | It just seems mostly broken to me | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | "clocks" and calendar took much longer to start than settings | 03:27 |
| javispedro | ~seen pupnik | 03:27 |
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| infobot | pupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 14h 55m 43s ago, saying: 'o/'. | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | Awesomeness: zypper install gcc make | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | iostat shows about 1.5Mbyte/s of reads while apps are loading, at an average latency/wait of 5ms, but there are 20kbyte/s of writes, at an average latency of 500ms | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | The problem with flash :/ | 03:28 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, haven't seen him anywhere lately | 03:30 |
| javispedro | yep :S | 03:30 |
| jonwil | hi | 03:32 |
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| javispedro | hi | 03:32 |
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| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/2ht.png | 03:35 |
| Hurrian | it's sexy time | 03:35 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG , what do you think of my proposed lock screens? | 03:35 |
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| beford | harmattan? | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | Sexy indeed, where do the media controls go? :P | 03:37 |
| Hurrian | wait, i have a screen with that | 03:37 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/hp4.png | 03:37 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038410&postcount=23 | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | beford, no, harmattan has always-on screen or something, benefit of oled | 03:38 |
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| beford | oh, that's new for me, enhaced lockscreen, does it work landscape/portrait? | 03:38 |
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| ShadowJK | I think it's mockup | 03:40 |
| beford | yes, I'm reading the post now heh | 03:40 |
| Hurrian | what are we talking about, MAG's app or my mockups? | 03:41 |
| Hurrian | anyways, in my mockups i made sure that you can use it with one hand, the controls being available to your hands either in one side or on all sides | 03:42 |
| beford | your mockups for MohammadAG app :P | 03:42 |
| Hurrian | anyone like it? | 03:42 |
| Hurrian | anyways, a portrait unlock screen would likely look a lot like the iPhone's unlock screen | 03:43 |
| merlin1991 | Hurrian: where did you get that wallpaper from / is it available? | 03:43 |
| Hurrian | merlin1991: wallbase.cc | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome | 03:43 |
| beford | looks nice Hurrian | 03:44 |
| Hurrian | :) | 03:44 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG , if you'd like a slider instead of a tap-to-unlock, i can design that too | 03:44 |
| merlin1991 | hm the tagcloud on wallbase.cc, I guess the main users are male | 03:45 |
| Hurrian | http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1112640 | 03:45 |
| merlin1991 | Hurrian: I think there should be some sort of border between the "title bar" time & date and the mafw controls | 03:48 |
| merlin1991 | also whatabout fading the notification area a lil towards the edge? | 03:49 |
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| Hurrian | ah, ok | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | i think the mafw controls will be fine as the date+time bar shouldn't respond to taps | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | however, double tapping on the mafw bar (except for the play/pause prev/next area) will unlock and open the media player | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | So my use case is this: At work I am frequently in a high-noise environment. I have professional hearing protection cups, with audio-input. I often connect N900 to audio-input. When someone wants to talk to me, I either press volume-down on N900 often enough to mute, or rip out the cable. Would be cool to be able to pause it quickly :-) | 03:54 |
| Hurrian | shadowjk, i wanted something like hold+ on my psp - you can control the music even when it's locked | 03:55 |
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| Hurrian | probably the solution would be in the camera button | 03:55 |
| Hurrian | a full press maybe | 03:56 |
| Hurrian | when lock | 03:56 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: "headphone daemon"? | 03:56 |
| javispedro | or bus daemon or whatever it was called | 03:56 |
| Hurrian | merlin1991 : http://goput.it/str/wwa.png | 03:56 |
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| MohammadAG | <ShadowJK> Yeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038328&postcount=1 | 04:00 |
| ShadowJK | actually I should get some avrcp thing | 04:00 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : not very viewable without a dark overlay on the background ;) | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, a sliding design would be interesting :) | 04:01 |
| Hurrian | sure, coming right up :) | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | k, let's try a quick mockup | 04:04 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/9tt.png | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG | let's try this :D | 04:08 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : done the slider mockup :) | 04:08 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i52.tinypic.com/2cosrcl.jpg | 04:18 |
| * MohammadAG ponders how to implement that slide to unlock | 04:19 | |
| Hurrian | MAG :) | 04:19 |
| Hurrian | now, can you custom-style the unlock button? | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | sure | 04:20 |
| Hurrian | i think it would look better if it was flat black and translucent | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | familiar with Qt Stylesheets? | 04:20 |
| Hurrian | uhh, nope | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | or at least the colours | 04:20 |
| Hurrian | i know jack about the following: CSS, JS, C, C++, Python | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | that's just background-color: rgba(100, 100, 100, 150) in the pic | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | surely you know the colours you want :p | 04:21 |
| Hurrian | MAG, shouldn't it be 0,0,0,200 | 04:21 |
| Hurrian | black + translucency | 04:21 |
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| Hurrian | on a side note, hmm, i wonder how you'll implement the slide | 04:22 |
| Hurrian | i guess the slide position corresponds to a number, say 9000, and when the slide gets to 9000, it sends the unlock command | 04:23 |
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| MohammadAG | well, I don't think I can style the stock Qt slider | 04:23 |
| Hurrian | hmm, and the slide position should only increment/decrement by 1, so that you don't just press the words "slide to unlock" and it'll unlock | 04:24 |
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| Hurrian | MAG, would this help? http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/26895-Slider-Style-sheet | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | thanks! | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | http://i56.tinypic.com/11hqfcg.jpg | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | is that the colour you wanted? | 04:26 |
| Hurrian | Yes! | 04:26 |
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| Hurrian | whee cssu maemo16 push here we gogogo! | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | nah, the lockscreen stays outside the CSSU since we can install it from extras | 04:28 |
| Hurrian | k | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | should I make the top colour solid or should I keep it as a gradient? | 04:29 |
| Hurrian | solid | 04:29 |
| Hurrian | you know, like the top and bottom boxes in a movie ;) | 04:29 |
| Hurrian | so yeah, make it like the bottom | 04:29 |
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| MohammadAG | background: qlineargradient(spread:pad, x1:0.011, y1:0, x2:0, y2:1, stop:0 rgba(0, 0, 0, 255), stop:1 rgba(36, 36, 36, 0)) | 04:30 |
| javispedro | the CSS abuse from qt is spectacular | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 04:32 |
| javispedro | still, I guess there's a long way until we get to the "filter: progid:RandomMicrosoftCrap.DirectX.Transform(morecrap)" | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, the button turned out darker for some reason | 04:34 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG , which button, the MAFW controls? | 04:34 |
| Hurrian | i mean the MAFW Now Playing aread? | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | no, sec | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/21ch28p.jpg | 04:36 |
| Hurrian | ah | 04:36 |
| Hurrian | and both are rgba(0,0,0,200) right? | 04:36 |
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| Hurrian | that's... odd | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | silly me | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | one's 100 and the other is 200 | 04:37 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i55.tinypic.com/b9gf8o.jpg | 04:39 |
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| Hurrian | better :) planning on adding the padding to the top? | 04:41 |
| Hurrian | it shouldn't be that close to the screen edge | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | thought about it, but the bezel on the N900 makes it look good :P | 04:42 |
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| Hurrian | k | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | lemme up a binary | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/enhanced-lockscreen | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | ignore the 1MB size, it's cause I didn't remove the old wallpaper | 04:44 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG: any chance to help me with my camera-app not letting me use the internal memory? | 04:44 |
| MohammadAG | did you ask in nicolai's thread? | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, the lockscreen reminds me of Harmattan for some reason | 04:47 |
| Hurrian | that's odd, i've never seen harmattan's lockscreen before | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG | probably cause of this http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/08/10x08108h3434tf.jpg | 04:47 |
| Hurrian | isn't that meego's home screen? | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but they look similar | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | that was probably Harmattan 0.1 | 04:48 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG: which thread? | 04:49 |
| Hurrian | now MAG, time to implement the message count? | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, no idea how tbh :p | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, got the slider handle? | 04:49 |
| Hurrian | wait, lemme get it out of photoshop | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | the_lord, sec | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70870 | 04:50 |
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| Hurrian | MAG: http://goput.it/qay.png | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | did you try the binary btw? | 04:51 |
| Hurrian | nyet, lemme dl and run it | 04:52 |
| Hurrian | whoa | 04:53 |
| Hurrian | that's cool | 04:53 |
| Hurrian | however, i have no song playing and it just says unknown song unknown artist | 04:54 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG: let me see | 04:54 |
| Hurrian | that bar should be hidden when there's no song playing | 04:54 |
| Hurrian | nice unlock animation BTW | 04:55 |
| mrdongle | finally cell phones can translate text in your enviroment: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2010/05/translate-real-world-with-google.html | 04:55 |
| Hurrian | MAFW controls are working properly, that's a plus | 04:56 |
| Hurrian | MAG, all you need to do now is custom-style the buttons | 04:57 |
| Hurrian | when i press them, the GTK buttons appear and it's ugly | 04:57 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/2ep.png | 04:59 |
| Hurrian | something like this i guess | 04:59 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, mind looking at /usr/share/themes/alpha/mediaplayer? | 05:07 |
| MohammadAG | see if you can make a pause icon similar to the prev/next icons | 05:07 |
| Hurrian | k | 05:09 |
| mrdongle | LULZSEC: "If President Obama wears a shoe on his head throughout the entirety of his next big speech, we will cease fire on all targets forever." | 05:09 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, slider done, you can pull in the latest binary | 05:13 |
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| mrdongle | the joke has an error though | 05:13 |
| mrdongle | since there's no guarantee that any person or group will never do anything in the name of 'lulzsec' | 05:13 |
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| Hurrian | MAG: slider works, not very smooth though, and you still need to put in the fading text | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/ | 05:16 |
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| mrdongle | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20003431-1.html makeup that fools face recognition systems | 05:17 |
| lolcat | mrdongle: It is a guy in #mtgox trolling with the name lulzecuriti | 05:17 |
| lolcat | or smthing | 05:17 |
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| mrdongle | oh | 05:18 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/6ey.png | 05:19 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : remade the pause icon | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG | thanks Hurrian | 05:20 |
| Hurrian | hey MAG, the slider doesn't go back to the start should you stop dragging it ;P | 05:21 |
| Hurrian | oh, and the slider generally lags behind the finger, you may want to work on that first | 05:22 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Hurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/ | 05:22 |
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| Hurrian | :( | 05:23 |
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| the_lord | MohammadAG: nope, nothing there to fix my problem, it's only with the internal memory | 05:23 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, can you do the same to the play button? | 05:25 |
| Hurrian | sure | 05:26 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG , what's a QT tickInterval wrt qslider? | 05:27 |
| Hurrian | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qslider.html#tickInterval-prop | 05:27 |
| Hurrian | http://www.qtcentre.org/archive/index.php/t-16003.html | 05:28 |
| Hurrian | see the last post on qtcentre, might help | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, the ticks under each value | 05:29 |
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| Hurrian | ah | 05:31 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : http://goput.it/3g4.png | 05:32 |
| Hurrian | that's the play button | 05:32 |
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| Hurrian | quoting warhawk007 on TMO: Is it possible to hide the "Now Playing" notification when Media Player is closed and reappear only when Media Player is open? This would add a more polished look. Just my humble opinion. | 05:36 |
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| MohammadAG | MAFW can run in the background without the mediaplayer | 05:40 |
| Hurrian | ah | 05:42 |
| Hurrian | k | 05:42 |
| Hurrian | hide it when it can't see any song then, e.g. right after you start up so it wont show unknown song unknown artist | 05:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'll check if there's a renderer in the next version | 05:46 |
| MohammadAG | gotta hit the sack for now :p | 05:50 |
| Hurrian | k | 05:54 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/6wg.png | 05:55 |
| Hurrian | since a lot of people are asking for a big clock, there it is | 05:56 |
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| mrdongle | i would like that background | 06:09 |
| mrdongle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCuxZm9Mm4k | 06:10 |
| mrdongle | one of the best songs of the 80s | 06:10 |
| mrdongle | so far ahead of its time | 06:10 |
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| mrdongle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo_OxN_j7c download this | 06:21 |
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| Hurrian | moo | 07:22 |
| RST38h | Touching: Everest Climber Discovers Missing Friend Preserved in Ice | 07:26 |
| Hurrian | that's *puts on glasses* ...really cool. | 07:28 |
| Hurrian | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH | 07:28 |
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| jonwil | Just need to figure out the best place on the osmocombb project to ask about Cell Broadcast stuff | 07:58 |
| jonwil | maybe someone there has info on how Cell Broadcast works | 07:58 |
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| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/gy6.png | 08:41 |
| Hurrian | anyone have any ideas to fix the date? | 08:42 |
| Hurrian | it is taking up way too much space | 08:42 |
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| Termana | good morning | 09:19 |
| loft306 | nn | 09:21 |
| jonwil | bah, cant find any info on Cell Broadcast SMS | 09:21 |
| jonwil | or how to parse them properly | 09:21 |
| Hurrian | jonwil, it's a bug, and probably wontfix for the n900 | 09:24 |
| jonwil | I am working on stuff for it actually | 09:24 |
| Hurrian | ah | 09:24 |
| jonwil | I posted to the developer list with details already | 09:24 |
| jonwil | With a patch to libsms, its possible to get the CBSMS stuff to work' | 09:25 |
| jonwil | and I can read it through the IncomingCBS signal | 09:25 |
| jonwil | but the trick is understsanding how to parse the data once I get it | 09:25 |
| jonwil | and what the best way to display it is | 09:25 |
| Hurrian | ugh, i've run out of ideas | 09:29 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could run out of ideas. | 09:30 | |
| Hurrian | speedevil, saw the latest concepts for the lock screen? | 09:31 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 09:31 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038569#post1038569 | 09:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | How's it accessed - you tap it? | 09:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - sorry - this is for n900 | 09:35 |
| * SpeedEvil has brainfade. | 09:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | Looks OK. | 09:35 |
| SpeedEvil | What does the > mean at unread messages | 09:36 |
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| Hurrian | you slide it to the right | 09:36 |
| Hurrian | and for missed calls, you slide it to the left | 09:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 09:36 |
| ruskie | hmm nice one | 09:37 |
| ruskie | though the media player really is a pointless thing in there | 09:37 |
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| Hurrian | it's supposed to disappear when you're not using the media player | 09:38 |
| ruskie | so basically I Should never see it then... | 09:38 |
| ruskie | still it will take up space instead of having a larger clock display won't it? | 09:39 |
| Hurrian | having the media player on the lock screen is convenient... for the people that use the n900 as a PMP | 09:39 |
| Hurrian | ruskie, the media player will disappear if mafw is not running | 09:39 |
| ruskie | but the empty space will still be there... won't it? | 09:40 |
| Hurrian | it'll be taken up by the clock | 09:40 |
| ruskie | ow? it resizes? | 09:40 |
| Hurrian | yeah, i guess | 09:41 |
| Hurrian | qml does wonders | 09:41 |
| Hurrian | basically, i dont know what else to put in there | 09:41 |
| ruskie | does it resize vertically as well? | 09:41 |
| reenignEesreveR | is paravirutalizaiton possible on n900? like can i run two OS using a hypervisor or something? | 09:42 |
| Hurrian | that's for portrait mode | 09:42 |
| Hurrian | i'll do more mockups for portrait | 09:43 |
| ruskie | any chance of having a configuration app that would allow a person to pick and choose what is included on the screen? | 09:44 |
| * jonwil hopes he can find someone out there that knows how to decode Cell Broadcast SMS | 09:46 | |
| Hurrian | i'm not the one who's coding it - it's all up to MAG | 09:46 |
| ruskie | ahh | 09:46 |
| Hurrian | although hopefully it can be done via gconf | 09:46 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/2wc.png | 09:48 |
| Hurrian | this better? | 09:48 |
| Hurrian | a lot of people were asking for the icons to be done | 09:48 |
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| juanmooke | maemo rocks | 09:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i agree | 09:56 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | reenignEesreveR: a quick google suggests that while it might be theoretically possible to implement paravirtualization on arm, not much work has been done so far, and that which has is limited to the latest generation of processors. | 09:59 |
| jonwil | I think the N900 with Maemo has a bright future ahead of it as long as there are developers out there willing to work on improvements like lock-screen, open-source-mediaplayer, CBSMS, CSSU and other projects | 10:02 |
| RST38h | Hmmm | 10:02 |
| RST38h | Am I correct that one cannot share source files between Android projects? | 10:02 |
| HRH_H_Crab | jonwil: i agree. the only "fly in the ointment" as i see it, | 10:03 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is that as the n900 hardware looks more and more limited when compared to newer devices, developer interest may wane. | 10:04 |
| jonwil | maybe | 10:04 |
| jonwil | I have no plans to replace my N900 though | 10:04 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive seen a similar thing happen with the sharp zaurus line. | 10:04 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i agree. | 10:04 |
| HRH_H_Crab | one thing which the n900 has going for it, | 10:04 |
| juanmooke | :( | 10:04 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is that for a certain class of user, | 10:04 |
| jonwil | I would only replace it if something that is just as open becomes available | 10:05 |
| HRH_H_Crab | (the *nix geek) i doubt there will be anything better for a VERY long time (if ever) | 10:05 |
| jonwil | Oh and it HAS to have a physical keyboard | 10:05 |
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| jonwil | Lack of physical keyboard is the #1 reason I didnt buy a Nexus S | 10:05 |
| HRH_H_Crab | as soon as i have the funds available i plan to buy another boxed sim free n900 to keep for when something happens to my existing one. | 10:06 |
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| juanmooke | i dropped my n900 on tar road a few times and it is still working perfectly. | 10:10 |
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| jonwil | Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding | 10:14 |
| jonwil | if I can figure out how to make sense of it or use it | 10:14 |
| jonwil | Maybe I should ask on the ofono IRC or mailing list... | 10:14 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | juanmooke: my biggest fear is actually hosing the charger. | 10:15 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | every time i plug that usb in and remove it my heart is in my mouth. | 10:15 |
| jonwil | I think the USB port on the phone is more likely to be broken than the charger | 10:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yeah | 10:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | thats what i mean | 10:16 |
| HRH_H_Crab | knowing that no other phone that exists is able to provide the experience i crave, and that one is never likely to be made again. | 10:16 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and that stocks of n900s are fast running out. | 10:16 |
| HRH_H_Crab | *shudder* | 10:16 |
| juanmooke | noooo ,so far mine is still in good condition.. | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile, if you're wondering which cute "app" to code next: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038588#post1038588 | 10:19 |
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| juanmooke | HRH_H_Crab i keep on starring into my usb after u mentioned it.. | 10:20 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yeah there are literally only 3 things i can think of to improve on the n900. more cpu, more ram, a sturdier usb port. | 10:21 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and to be fair i can probably live without the first two. | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | Freaking Android SDK does not appear to allow sharing code and resources between projects | 10:23 |
| RST38h | How exciting! | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<jonwil> Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding) see http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS def deoctify(arr): for PDU conversion | 10:24 |
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| jonwil | Thats python code, I dont know the first thing about python :P | 10:26 |
| jonwil | C and C++ I can do | 10:26 |
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| jonwil | plus ofono code has other stuff to deal with CBSMS assembly and things | 10:27 |
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| ruskie | http://xkcd.com/916/ | 10:29 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/6pe.png | 10:31 |
| Hurrian | oops | 10:32 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038600&postcount=68 | 10:32 |
| Hurrian | finally, a pretty much final design | 10:32 |
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| * RST38h pleads to the Tentacled One to feast on Android Platform people | 10:32 | |
| RST38h | Wait. I guess He already did. | 10:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector | 10:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | nah, i dont need one of those. | 10:36 |
| RST38h | Oh, fuck, its XML include statement does not have a notion of file system paths either =( | 10:36 |
| SpeedEvil | HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector = USB port that you use 99% of the time | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | test | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer ops | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | !ops | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ajcutshall and Cybergeek2021 need banninated - they're PMing people who talk automatically | 10:37 |
| HRH_H_Crab | SpeedEvil: i (think) i see what you are saying, but it would surely be easier to just make a less fragile usb port! ;) | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Not really | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It can be made slightly less fragile by going to a through-hole part in principle. | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's still not an actual sane connector for docking. | 10:38 |
| jonwil | McInUser82673 was also doing that talking thing | 10:38 |
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| Corsac | dragly: by the way, does you n950 have 16G or 64G? | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: I think I heard the N950s have 32G | 10:52 |
| Hurrian | ohai corsac | 10:52 |
| Hurrian | i've given up on opening up the image, it's like banging rocks together | 10:52 |
| Corsac | you don't like banging rocks? :) | 10:53 |
| Hurrian | what the f? when i typed that in, norfanin2, marmot2,swiggy,oblenob2,pixie2 /msg'd me | 10:53 |
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| Hurrian | ircops get in here asap | 10:54 |
| Corsac | yeah | 10:54 |
| SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter. | 10:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone know if hte nice nokia speakers are released? | 10:54 |
| Hurrian | iirc not until the n9 comes out | 10:55 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 10:55 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Those people need banned. They're presumably attempting to excess flood people who talk off. | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Nice speakers, aand I love the concept of joining two to get stereo. Pricey though. | 10:56 |
| Corsac | do they CTCP too? (I ignore that but...) | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | Grrr. | 10:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Probably | 10:56 |
| Hurrian | ugh, i cant remember that irc mode where you need to be in the same channel to /msg people | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Announcement said 149eur each | 10:56 |
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| Hurrian | yowch, that's pricey | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: OP needed? | 10:57 |
| Hurrian | 149eur for the speakers | 10:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 10:57 |
| Hurrian | doc, they're in a different channel | 10:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 149 each! Wow. | 10:57 |
| Hurrian | you probably need netop | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 10:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd be surprised if they're in any channel | 10:58 |
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| Hurrian | they're all on the 74.63./16 range | 10:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're free to /join #freenode and bring the issue to staffers' attention | 10:59 |
| Hurrian | Please don't comment on/discuss the spam/trolls | 10:59 |
| Hurrian | damn pdpc | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll get k-lined in no time - given any staffer is active | 10:59 |
| Corsac | ok, trying umode +R | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn idiots, now they got me too | 11:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sooner or later, they're gonna be numerous enough to excess flood | 11:01 |
| Hurrian | testing mode +R. | 11:01 |
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| Hurrian | it works! | 11:02 |
| Hurrian | no more spam | 11:02 |
| Corsac | you might want to ban ajcutshall | 11:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | test | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think freenode is taking care - runaway IRCbot aiui | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, not yet | 11:08 |
| Hurrian | ah, broken ircbots, how i hate thee | 11:08 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: ajcutshall is the first who pm-ed me, has joined first, is on the same host and as the same real name | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, could somebody grep user list of this chan for hostmasks like 74.63.*.* please | 11:08 |
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| *** ajcutshall was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 11:09 | |
| Corsac | /lastlog 74.63 gives him and two others which left | 11:09 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 11:09 | |
| Corsac | but banning 74.63.0.0/16 could be a starting point in case they try to come back | 11:09 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 11:09 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: +b *!*@74.63.0.0/16 | 11:10 | |
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| Hurrian | which reminds me, we don't have a !kickban alias on this channel? | 11:11 |
| ruskie | why would it be needed? | 11:12 |
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| Hurrian | mostly allows mods to quickly kickban swaths of users just in case | 11:12 |
| Hurrian | anyways, brb going to play GTA IV | 11:12 |
| ruskie | you have network ops for that | 11:13 |
| ruskie | this isn't ircnet or some other network ;) | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: chan alias?? | 11:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that? | 11:13 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, on my homeland IRC network, we have a !kb $USERS command that ops can use to instantly ban and kick errant users | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | now what a moron been THAT? | 11:15 |
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| Hurrian | mostly because a lot of the mods cant be assed to learn mode commands | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can use /kickban but that's just a macro of my client. I don't think there's any such thing like chan specific public macros | 11:16 |
| ruskie | usually a bot is used to handle !commands | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got no such bot | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | !hello | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 11:17 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 11:17 |
| ruskie | ~kickban | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot has no chanops | 11:17 |
| ruskie | true | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have ;-) | 11:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, considering most clients - Like xchat - have nice easy ways to kick/ban/unban etc... | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm better tan any bot ;-P | 11:17 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | then there's also chanserv which also knows kickban cmd | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, maybe not | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah akick | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | //cs akick # #maemo add *!*@74.63.0.0/16 sorry! | spambot messaging all speaking user of chan with private query | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't really see the reason for this "double buffered" action though | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duck and cover, I'm going to remove +b 74.63.*.*, as #freenode says "it's handled" | 11:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders how to exploit infobot to deal with such cases | 11:32 | |
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| infobot | oh no, doc. Don't give me that burden | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 11:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 11:33 |
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| otwieracz | Hello. | 11:38 |
| otwieracz | Is there any "light" version of maemo for n810 to be a base for lightweight distro for my n810? | 11:38 |
| otwieracz | (with e17, etc) | 11:39 |
| otwieracz | Kernel and drivers from Diablo. | 11:39 |
| otwieracz | But no hildon. | 11:39 |
| jrayhawk | Deblet ran e17 okayish. | 11:40 |
| jrayhawk | I wonder if that's still around somewhere. | 11:40 |
| otwieracz | But, will be enough for everyday use? | 11:41 |
| otwieracz | It isn't dead? | 11:41 |
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| jrayhawk | Ah, looks like http://packages.linuxniche.net/deblet/ is still around, at least. | 11:42 |
| jrayhawk | 'dead' is an ambiguous word, perhaps you'd like to more carefully manage your implications? | 11:43 |
| otwieracz | not active developed? | 11:43 |
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| otwieracz | Deblet is, generally, what? | 11:43 |
| jrayhawk | That implication applies to varying levels to everything that would run on the n810. | 11:44 |
| otwieracz | Right, n810 is "dead". | 11:44 |
| otwieracz | Where I can read something about Deblet? | 11:45 |
| jrayhawk | I think there's a Meego porting effort, but it's rather limited what with basically everything Meego-related requiring a lot of acceleration. | 11:45 |
| jrayhawk | Uh... let's see, what threads are still useful. | 11:45 |
| jrayhawk | hmm.. | 11:45 |
| otwieracz | Meego is still not usable. | 11:45 |
| otwieracz | And I'm afraid that igt never will be on n810. | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody still getting PM spam? | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freenode staff seems has dealt with it | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers to freenode staff | 11:51 |
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| jrayhawk | http://natisbad.org/N810/ looks workable | 11:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | natisbad has awesome stuff, and I like the URL ;-) | 11:53 |
| jrayhawk | IIRC Deblet had two problems; one was the Xorg omap server was a lot slower than Xomap, and the other was that there was no real power management being done on the wlan | 11:54 |
| jrayhawk | I also don't recall if anyone got WiMAX working, if that matters | 11:55 |
| jrayhawk | It's possible Mer will also do what you want, but I don't recall it having a lot of package interoperability with Debian, and it certainly didn't have prebuilt e17 packages like deblet already does. | 11:55 |
| jrayhawk | I think all the relevant people still camp out in #mer, so you can ask them what they think the path of least resistance to getting e17 running is. | 11:57 |
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| alterego | Can't help but think this Harmattan developer mode is a step back from having a good community repository installed and activated by default. | 12:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: it's straight from hell in my book | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 13:59:13] <DocScrutinizer> I'm already happy to tell users "sorry, we can't make hostmode working, as it only would work in developer mode, and in developer mode all the apps that would make use of hostmode actually stop to work" | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 14:00:01] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no joysticj with your acme hit'n'run game | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 14:00:33] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no playback of video from external attached storage | 12:40 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/t66.png | 12:41 |
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| Hurrian | what do you people think of a red missed call icon? | 12:41 |
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| Jaffa | Is the switch for "developer mode" the same boot time option for "open" and "closed" mode that was described back in Berlin? | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 12:42 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Technically, apps.meego.com could be authorised to do X, Y & Z. Each repository is signed and given a maximum number of permissions it can expose for apps installed from it. | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>> SDK for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. In-device tools, such as a terminal application and Nokia Energy Profiler. Some of the tools have a graphical user interface and can be found with the other applications, others can only be used using a command-line interface. To disable the tools, select and Security > Developer mode, and deactivate Developer mode. Do not remove the tools. | 12:43 |
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| joga | ovi store doesn't work on n900 anymore? | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: the implications of this whole aegis security framework concept are so manifold and complex, you can't really evaluate all of the nastiness we'll face once it's widely adopted | 12:46 |
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| joga | it just tells me to update, no updates available | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yes, the technology is interesting - but what it exposes we won't know until we get to the device :-( | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | FCC confidentiality's up. | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: the technology is "interesting" - the original motivation and rationale is disgusting and driven solely by commercial interests, to protect the device from owner | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ? FCC | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | they disclosed the manual, photos etc yesterday, yes | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: To try and get big movie studios to sell content for it as a mass-market device. Now it's not a mass-market device :-( | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, for some reason I must have been swamped yesterday | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got all the stuff and scrutinized it. We discussed it here in this chan | 12:50 |
| dm8tbr | sadly the pictures are not thaat high resolution so you can't identify many things | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, no component labels | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 12:50 |
| joga | oh, great, sygic doesn't provide maps for n900 anymore? should've bought it earlier I guess... | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: maps bitrot | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: there's mappero, marble... now | 12:51 |
| joga | none of them speak? a map program is useless for car without that | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | both do | 12:52 |
| joga | well, almost useless | 12:52 |
| joga | oh? | 12:52 |
| joga | I have both installed and have never heard a squeak | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | voice guidance, yes | 12:52 |
| joga | I guess I haven't found those features | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | marble introduced it recently, mappero has it since quite some time, dunno since when exactly | 12:53 |
| jonwil | Are these programs Ovi store programs? | 12:53 |
| jonwil | or what? | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | extras(-devel) | 12:53 |
| joga | just yesterday I tried finding it in mappero but failed...how to use it? | 12:53 |
| joga | oh...devel, right | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | can't be good if it comes from extras ;) | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:54 |
| jonwil | Someone has built free-as-in-open-source voice navigation program? Wow, where are these guys getting their mapping data from? | 12:54 |
| joga | google etc I guess | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSM | 12:54 |
| jonwil | OSM is great, | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | both *can* use google too afaik | 12:54 |
| joga | I *really* would have liked to store all the maps on phone instead of relying on intarwebs though | 12:54 |
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| joga | I guess they can do it though.. | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | marble definitely has on-board navi now | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e. offline route calc via monav | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | marble also has a maps download iirc | 12:56 |
| jonwil | Should see if there is a way to use | 12:56 |
| jonwil | use General Transit Feed Specificiation transit data with OpenStreetMap map data | 12:56 |
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| jonwil | General Transit Feed data is what Google Transit uses | 12:56 |
| jonwil | and lots of transit companies publish their routes and timetables in that format :( | 12:56 |
| jonwil | :) | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #marble | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice guys | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: hi | 12:58 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: hi | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: authenticating to server via server password (which actually is your nickserv password) will help to avoid your original hostmask popping up here prior to getting your cloak applied | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@a91-155-185-5.elisa-laajakaista.fi). | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] <-- achipa hat den Server verlassen (Changing host). | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa). | 12:59 |
| achipa | yeah, yeah | 12:59 |
| achipa | :) | 12:59 |
| achipa | pidgin segfault when I try to do that for some reason | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 13:00 |
| joga | hmm...I wonder if there's a feature in marble to "download visible region so that it's usable for routing", I'd like the whole of finland but a bit more than the state borders | 13:00 |
| achipa | I think I'm going to reinstall soon anyway | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: afaik it's somewhere in context menu or whatever | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | achipa: btw is there a public version of flasher with that wait for charge functionality? | 13:01 |
| joga | I can find download region but it says it would take 117kB when finland is visible so I'm pretty sure it takes what is visible and nothing more | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: err sorry? | 13:02 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: talking about n9 | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait for charge? | 13:02 |
| achipa | dm8tbr: is the N950 FW available ? | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: n950 is | 13:02 |
| dm8tbr | achipa: honestly, I wouldn't know where to check, that's why I asked | 13:02 |
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| achipa | get the flasher for N950 | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | I'd have downloaded and stringed the binary :) | 13:03 |
| joga | ah...maybe it's the "tile level range" I need to adjust | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's flasher wait-for-charge option? | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: it will make the device charge if it's deep discharged | 13:03 |
| achipa | -Owait-charging is what you want | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | tnx | 13:04 |
| * dm8tbr takes a note | 13:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: o.O | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, that worked without flasher on N900 | 13:04 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: this is crucial for the n9 as there you can't pop out the battery and put it in a different device | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: It's really not. | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: If it's implemented properly. | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 13:05 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: yes, IF :) | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I.E. thresholds set right. | 13:05 |
| achipa | the point is you don't want power to go in the middle of flashing | 13:05 |
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| achipa | and the flash images area in some cases big | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - N900 with a slightly older battery will bootloop | 13:05 |
| achipa | BIG | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | This isn't a huge issue. | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | But would be majorly annoying with a new n9 | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | older n9 | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's some alternative to my suggested way to hold 'C' while booting, to tell NOLO to charge properly and not try to boot to a fsckdup system that won't complete charging | 13:06 |
| achipa | difficult to hold 'C' when you don't have a keyb :) | 13:06 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: where's the C key on the n9? :D | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, that's why I said "alternative method" | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *usually* shouldn't be needed to recover from a flat battery | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just if your bme got hosed | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NOLO tends to boot up system to finish charging as soon as hw boots up | 13:08 |
| jonwil | heh, N900 is a lot more reliable in that area than some phones. | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why you get flashing deadlock when you try to flash with poorly charged batery | 13:09 |
| joga | someone who has used marble to download a region of a map...what are the levels I should use to get streets and usable routing? I see no relation in the levels to zoom scale etc | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: Z0 is global | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: Z10 is 4096 tiles round the equator. | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: Or a little over 10km a tile | 13:10 |
| BluesLee | has someone succeeded in mounting nokia meego 1.2/harmattan rootfs? | 13:10 |
| jonwil | ok, time to send that email to the ofono mailing list | 13:11 |
| jaska | ah yes. reminds me i need to gen tiles for tokyo region, need to have them offline and osm doesnt like me bulk downloading tiles :| | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: I don't know how exactly monav works, I think its using vector cards anyway | 13:11 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil: maybe I'll just make it download a route then... | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | unrelated to tiles | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: that works | 13:11 |
| joga | apparently there's also a 100000 tile download limit | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: The servers are on donated bandwidth - which is flat out | 13:11 |
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| joga | and flaky internet here :) | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSM servers are maxed out all the time | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | does someone have any idea how much power the screen needs when backlight is off? | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And scraping tiles where nobody looks is painful, as it makes the server render 'useless' tiles. | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: See the webpage | 13:12 |
| otwieracz | That Debian for n810 is well-usable? | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, got a brief comparison? | 13:12 |
| jaska | yeah, i looked at downloading all the tiles i wanted and i figured theyd go apeshit on me if i dl a few million tiles :D | 13:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | (basically it's identical in terms of power with the backlight at minimum level and off) | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: SpeedEvil did an awesome comprehensive job on listing all those details on the webpage | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | miniumum level would be 0, not the 1 in mce right? | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no | 13:13 |
| * alterego sighs, still no delivery .. | 13:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I mean minimum level as in the dimmest on the afvanced backlight widget | 13:13 |
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| Hurrian | MohammadAG ! | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Screen on - no backlight - 80mA. brightest +150mA, one back from that - +40mA | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038684&postcount=91 | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | how many revisions of the design did i go thru while you were gone? | 13:14 |
| jonwil | I see that the CSSU is working on replacing a number of the closed source control panels and widgets (e.g. battery status widget) with open source clones, is there a list somewhere where people are suggesting or discussing which widgets to reimplement? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so basically, we can keep the screen on for a lockscreen with minimum backlight? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, going though the whole thread | 13:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err - no | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: well - you can. | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: but battery life will suck | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: NB replacing battery widget is kinda missing the target | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | As in you use 8%/hour or so | 13:16 |
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| jonwil | well someone did replace the battery widget for some reason | 13:16 |
| jonwil | why I dont know :) | 13:16 |
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| alterego | Cool, fcc for n950 is open | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think that's been MohammadAG and I think he did it simply because it can be done ;-D | 13:17 |
| jonwil | :) | 13:17 |
| jonwil | well someone cloned the calculator app | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: yes, we all know | 13:17 |
| alterego | Cant dl it on N900 :/ | 13:18 |
| alterego | lame .. | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what we *really* need though is a proper replacement for hald-addon-bme, so whole system will stay unchanged operational, no matter if bme is running or not | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: way better than replacing just the battery applet | 13:18 |
| jonwil | well the Harmattan SDK has a libbmeipc-dev package | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it should be really easy | 13:19 |
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| joga | agh...I still need to give the zoom levels to download the route and have no idea what I should put there so I can drive about 60km | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already looked into that | 13:19 |
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| Hurrian | MohammadAG : is the lockscreen thread the most image heavy thread aside from the screenshot threads? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, no, you forgot the epic PR1.2 thread | 13:20 |
| * MohammadAG pokes lcuk about that | 13:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you just kick out the bottom half that talks to bme, and replace it by a function that derives info directly from /sys | 13:20 |
| ab | x:) | 13:20 |
| Hurrian | MAG, i wasn't on TMO yet the time PR1.2 came out ;) | 13:21 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil: do you have some tip what to put there for such a journey? | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/16/60625/37921.png | 13:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - one of hte images in the map | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | That is Z16 | 13:22 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: this Debian is usable? | 13:23 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil: thanks, that helps | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/7577/4740.png And that's Z13 | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Z12 is useful for motorways and stuff | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Z10 for countries | 13:24 |
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| joga | seems as though it doesn't really start any download...strange | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, I was thinking of a button that I'd drag from the top to the middle | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | or bottom | 13:25 |
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| Hurrian | MohammadAG , finished scanning the thread? | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, yep :p | 13:27 |
| Hurrian | so, what do you think? | 13:28 |
| Hurrian | should the fields be split in landscape mode? | 13:28 |
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| Hurrian | or should I keep it all in one bar? | 13:29 |
| joga | marble doesn't download anything... :( | 13:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | joga: Check it's the current version - occasionally certain versions of clients get blacklisted because they don't comply with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy | 13:32 |
| joga | I've calced the route, told it to "download route" with proper levels (about 45MB), then press done, then nothing happens | 13:32 |
| joga | SpeedEvil ok.. | 13:32 |
| joga | it's 1.1.1 stable | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | personally I think they should be split | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | no point in cramming everything in one bar | 13:33 |
| Hurrian | k, sure | 13:34 |
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| Hurrian | redesigning | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | FCC docs say the dev device has a 12MP cam | 13:36 |
| joga | maybe I'll try getting marble for -devel... | 13:37 |
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| * jonwil wonders why someone would want to clone the calculator app for the CSSU. Although that may have been so it can support portrait orientation... | 13:39 | |
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| jrayhawk | otwieracz: Yeah. My n810 spent a lot of time in Deblet. | 13:41 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038706#post1038706 | 13:42 |
| khertan_ | Morning | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | On the whole, I don't think the stacking window model (such as e17's) was particulary wise on that hardware; I wound up using Awesome for everything. | 13:42 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: 1GB SD card will not be enough? | 13:43 |
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| jrayhawk | So long as you're careful, that'll probably work. | 13:43 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : ...and we're back to the "usable with one hand" design paradigm. | 13:44 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: how careful? | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | Well, don't install any giant metapackages like gnome. | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; would also help | 13:44 |
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| otwieracz | On my desktop I'm using WM which weights… 109K :) | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | That's the spirit! | 13:45 |
| otwieracz | dwm ftw! | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, how come? | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | two points: | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | 1) you're not supposed to using one hand with landscape mode | 13:45 |
| otwieracz | (really, most useful WM I've ever seen) | 13:45 |
| jonwil | As for me, my next projects are to keep working on CBSMS dumping/decoding, work on improvements to FindMine to make it easier to play without accidentally clicking on a mine square by mistake, maybe create a clone of connui-home-cellular as that will provide help with stuff I need to know for CBSMS app | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | 2) if you meant notifications, then sliding them should be to the middle, not the far end | 13:45 |
| jonwil | And maybe also look into cloning hald-addon-bme | 13:45 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG: i meant unlocking the device | 13:46 |
| Hurrian | ...like before | 13:46 |
| jonwil | since it was mentioned that it was useful to have a replacement | 13:46 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: You have some time now? | 13:46 |
| Hurrian | jonwil, that'd be interesting to see | 13:46 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: Maybe I'll try and your help may be important :) | 13:47 |
| jonwil | which of my items would be interesting to see? | 13:47 |
| Hurrian | the open BME replacement. | 13:48 |
| jonwil | This isnt BME, its hald-addon-bme | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | ah | 13:48 |
| jonwil | there are already efforts to create things that can do some or all of what bme does | 13:48 |
| jrayhawk | Not sure how much help I can be, but sure. | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : are you going to start on the massive work that's needed? | 13:49 |
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| otwieracz | OK, so let's start. | 13:49 |
| jonwil | Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? | 13:49 |
| Ekce | hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) | 13:49 |
| otwieracz | How many swap to make? | 13:50 |
| otwieracz | In case of only ~950MB free total? | 13:50 |
| jrayhawk | Probably best to use a swapfile in that circumstance. | 13:51 |
| jrayhawk | 'swapspace' being the package for that. | 13:51 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | <Ekce> hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) | 13:52 |
| jrayhawk | I doubt you'll need it for installation, but once you start running graphical applications it'll come in handy. | 13:52 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | droid sans mono 8 | 13:52 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | and switched own text color to white | 13:52 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | (if that isn't done per default yet - impossible to read) | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, in a bit :p | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | <jonwil> Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? | 13:53 |
| Hurrian | ah, k | 13:53 |
| otwieracz | OK, I one create Linux partition for whole SD card. | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free | 13:53 |
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| jonwil | ok, great | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | add those to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update | 13:54 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | so, i have a class 2 microSD card | 13:54 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | would meego run with usable speed or not? | 13:54 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | (just wanted to test it, mostly) | 13:54 |
| otwieracz | /dev/sdb1 * 16 2012159 1006072 83 Linux | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Classes are a very poor representation of the important things - whihc is mosl random access speeds | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Mostly | 13:55 |
| jonwil | mail sent to ofono mailing list :) | 13:55 |
| Ekce | FredrIQ|n900, good tip, but I don't have the droid sans font for some reason. Using nokia sans size 12 and green text and it's good enough :) | 13:55 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Ekce, ok :P | 13:56 |
| Ekce | any shortcut way to tab user nick in xchat btw? sry bout the noob questions | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's alt-space | 13:56 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | shift+space | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I remapped it to shift-rightarrow | 13:56 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | alt? | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | shift | 13:57 |
| Ekce | FredrIQ|n900, thanks again :) | 13:57 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, I was thinking of a settings dialog, that would require some secret gesture | 13:57 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | np | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I use nokia sans semibold 14 | 13:57 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | nokia sans isn't monospace :( | 13:58 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | (yes, i prefer monospace on IRC for some reason) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's your take on gesture daemon? interested? | 14:00 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: In this process, I will install bootloader, Debian with debootstrap then compile kernel and flash device with it? | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG , stuff it in Settings, not in the lockscreen ;) | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it should be implemented in hildon-desktop | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | you know what would be nice? if the lockscreen replaced the "secure device" dialog | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | tap to unlock -- but there's a code! | 14:01 |
| jrayhawk | I think the kernels are already compiled somewhere. | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | we actually *might* need some hooks in there, but basically the daemon itself should be unrelated | 14:01 |
| Hurrian | i mean, not like the n900's secure anyway, why not make the lock screen nice? | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | but yes, I'm interested in anything that keeps the N900 up and running, whether I get the N950 or not | 14:01 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: I don't see here… | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm quite willing to discuss this implementation rationale though | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I might be wrong | 14:02 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: But, It's too many work for this moment. | 14:02 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: so sad, that nobody done „ready-to-install” Debian image for n810. | 14:03 |
| jrayhawk | If I recall correctly, the sequence is something like install bootloader, debian with debootstrap, install extra packages from deblet, install kernel from deblet | 14:03 |
| otwieracz | Ah, kernel from deblet. | 14:03 |
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| otwieracz | So It's not such many work… | 14:04 |
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| jrayhawk | Uh, hmm. Maybe the default Diablo kernel works fine and they just add modules on top of that? | 14:07 |
| jrayhawk | It's been, like, two years since I last played with this, so my memory is a bit hazy. | 14:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, the lock code is handled by mce | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | also the lockscreen is multiplatform :p | 14:09 |
| otwieracz | I'll see. | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | I plan to add MeeGo/Harmattan support, if I get an N950, the code is built to allow that | 14:10 |
| jrayhawk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23051 | 14:11 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: bootloader ready to install? | 14:14 |
| otwieracz | Will be awesome. | 14:14 |
| jrayhawk | Just pray that all the resources are still hosted in their appropriate spots. | 14:15 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : working on implementing all the new bars? | 14:16 |
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| Hurrian | BTW, the overlay on the album art is the "time left" on the song | 14:16 |
| otwieracz | Hmm. | 14:16 |
| otwieracz | „Operation failed” while trying to execute .install file. | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, still have no idea how to get missed calls/SMS/IM count | 14:18 |
| Hurrian | uhh, where is it stored that a message is unread in Conversations? | 14:19 |
| Hurrian | porbably just count how many unread messages there are | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | some database afaik, but polling that isn't the right way | 14:19 |
| gri | rtcom eventlogger has a is_read flag on messages | 14:19 |
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| jonwil | ok, lets get findmine source code up and going | 14:24 |
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| Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/j93.png | 14:28 |
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| Ekce86 | Hurrian, is that on N900? very nice! | 14:29 |
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| Hurrian | Ekce86 : MohammadAG's implementing it in code right now. | 14:32 |
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| FIQ | MeeGo CE logo looks a bit like ubuntu's | 14:34 |
| jonwil | Will this lock-screen replace the security code screen? | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | no | 14:35 |
| FIQ | couldn't test networking as I don't have wifi around, but whatever | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | it'll be like the stock lock screen, unlocking the screen still points to the lock dialog | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen Venemo | 14:36 |
| infobot | venemo <~Timur@fedora/Venemo> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'roofboard, I agree'. | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk | otwieracz: I think my old deblet install is intact; I'll see if I can get it running and get an image. | 14:37 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: I will be thankfull. | 14:38 |
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| Ekce86 | MohammadAG, trying out the lockscreen right now, and it's awesome. although it seems to switch to the same track all the time for some reason | 14:47 |
| jrayhawk | Hmm. It boots, but one of the three layers of keyboard abstraction seems to be broken. How tedious. | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | Ekce86, check your playlist in the mediaplayer | 14:47 |
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| otwieracz | I'll tru the installer. | 14:50 |
| otwieracz | WARNING: You should either have a clean initfs before installing bootmenu or have fanoush's bootmenu installed (we've seen trouble with penguinbait initfs?) | 14:51 |
| otwieracz | How to clean initfs? | 14:51 |
| otwieracz | Simply rm -rf /mnt/initfs/*? | 14:52 |
| jrayhawk | It's not an issue unless you've been messing around with the init fs. | 14:52 |
| Ekce86 | MohammadAG, alright, I emptied the now playing list and now it's working like a charm, thanks man | 14:52 |
| jrayhawk | Ah, I must've dist-upgraded this userspace while using it as a chroot and overwritten some important deblet stuff. | 14:53 |
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| otwieracz | So, what with this initfs? | 14:54 |
| jrayhawk | Do you know how an initrd works? | 14:55 |
| otwieracz | Kernel mount initramfs, then for example load modules to mount real root. | 14:55 |
| otwieracz | Most common usasge of initramfs. | 14:56 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, it's an intermediary userspace used to bring up full userspaces. initrds obviously have filesystems that live entirely in memory. The Maemo initfs is an intermediate userspace that lives on some flash. | 14:57 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : dump all the sliders | 14:57 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 | 14:57 |
| jrayhawk | bootmenu modifies that intermediate userspace to give you a an interactive choice in the boot sequence to decide what full userspace you want to end up in. | 14:58 |
| otwieracz | Roll on! | 14:58 |
| otwieracz | And reboot. | 14:58 |
| otwieracz | Push menu to… | 14:59 |
| otwieracz | And Maemo is booting. | 14:59 |
| jrayhawk | push and hold | 14:59 |
| jrayhawk | it's finnicky :( | 14:59 |
| jrayhawk | you have to move very fast | 14:59 |
| otwieracz | Menu button? | 14:59 |
| otwieracz | Dropdown menu button? | 14:59 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 14:59 |
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| kerio | don't you need to turn the n900 on with the keyboard open? | 15:00 |
| otwieracz | And I have „Internal flash” and „Power off” to choice. | 15:00 |
| otwieracz | Now install Deblet? | 15:00 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, probably. | 15:01 |
| otwieracz | Debian here will be awesome ;) | 15:01 |
| otwieracz | And no hildon. | 15:01 |
| otwieracz | Hmm, there's no cool Deblet environment. | 15:02 |
| otwieracz | Only LXDE, GNOME, KDE and barebones X. | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | Just a second, one guy made e17 packages... | 15:02 |
| otwieracz | But, at this moment, Barebones X. | 15:02 |
| otwieracz | Right? | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 15:02 |
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| otwieracz | Uhm, I have to choice mmcblk0 or mmcblk1. | 15:04 |
| otwieracz | Which is external? | 15:04 |
| otwieracz | I can't run terminal now and check with „mount”. | 15:04 |
| jrayhawk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23087 e17 packages | 15:04 |
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| jrayhawk | mmcblk0 is internal, so mmcblk1 is probably external | 15:05 |
| jrayhawk | I don't know where my minisd adapter is to verify for certain, but hey, what's life without adventure :) | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch out, there's a lot of confusion around this! | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I think the n800 had a different setup. | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | mmcblk1 in internal on bootup | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, there's been this swapping the names madness | 15:07 |
| jrayhawk | ooh, scary | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and still is | 15:07 |
| otwieracz | Hmm. | 15:08 |
| jrayhawk | uh, well, is this installer you're playing with running from the initfs or from the full maemo root? | 15:08 |
| ToJa92 | could someone help me with my n900? I did a apt-get upgrade when I received a CSSU update, and I got some upgraded QT-packages which stopped QT-apps requiring network access from running. | 15:08 |
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| otwieracz | It was external. | 15:08 |
| jrayhawk | haha thank goodness | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | meego wise, if there's a uSD in, that's mmcblk0, else, eMMC is mmcblk0 | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | on boot the kernel checks external first then internal, and numbers accordingly (means internal has different name depending if you got external or not) | 15:08 |
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| Hurrian | ToJa92: apt-get dist-upgrade | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | then later in boot names get swapped | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, which update? 15 is fairly stable | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not for all locations | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | use apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 15:09 |
| jrayhawk | "locations"...? | 15:09 |
| Hurrian | MAG : saw the latest mockups? the message/call sliders are trashed | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | not dist-upgrade | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | like /proc/* for example | 15:09 |
| jrayhawk | Ah, yeah, I guess that makes sense. What an unfortunate decision. | 15:09 |
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| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: I'm using the "stable" version(honestly I'm not sure what version it is) | 15:10 |
| jrayhawk | oh yeah, i guess you probably don't need fatalsaint's e17 packages what with those actually being in debian, now | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, check settings then | 15:11 |
| otwieracz | Now we're waiting for download… | 15:11 |
| ToJa92 | "mp-fremantle-community-pr is already the newest version." | 15:11 |
| jrayhawk | I hope it correctly pulls off of archive.debian.org rather than the normal mirrors. | 15:11 |
| ToJa92 | dist-upgrade fails, hang on and I'll get the output | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, what apps fail to start? | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: on N900 cat /proc/partitions shows "incorrect" when mount displays what you assume to be correct | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Anyone else experiences audio problems in games like Tecnoballz, Hex-a-Hop, Gweled, etc? | 15:14 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Facebook, groove, fapman | 15:14 |
| RST38h | I am no longer getting any audio at all | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | by facebook you mean sociality? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | all 3 work fine for me | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: there's a ticket on bugs.maemo.org for it | 15:16 |
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| ToJa92 | yeah | 15:16 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Could you tell me what versions of sdl, mikmod and vorbis you have? (see tecnoballz depends) | 15:17 |
| ToJa92 | dist-upgrade gives me this error http://pastebin.com/G2QXJ9W0 | 15:17 |
| ToJa92 | Could it be related to me having the unofficial busybox upgrade installed? | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | dist-upgrade? you bet gives error, it kills your system | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely deprecated | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as is auto-remove | 15:19 |
| kerio | autoremove is deprecated? D: | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it removes bits that aren't locked into anything else. For me it broke SIP | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I'm not completely losing my mind now | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 15:23 |
| merlin1991 | yeah autoremove == evil! | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo "NONONO!! Don't do that!" | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | exit 5 | 15:24 |
| otwieracz | apting… apting… | 15:24 |
| ekce86 | MohammadAG, will Hurrian's lockscreen be implemented today for us to upgrade from -devel? | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | ekce86, hopefully | 15:27 |
| Hurrian | waitwaitwait, MohammadAG, you're actually going to do it today? | 15:28 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Any clue? Or should I just reflash? | 15:28 |
| Hurrian | need the icons? | 15:28 |
| Hurrian | BTW, refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 for the finalized design | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, output of Qt app from terminal? | 15:28 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: install failed :( | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, I'll push the old design in a bit, cause my initial one was crap | 15:29 |
| jrayhawk | Any particularly useful output? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | then I'll start on the new one | 15:29 |
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| Hurrian | MohammadAG , i downloaded the latest enhanced-lockscreen off your server | 15:29 |
| Hurrian | nice buttons ;) | 15:29 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: all three just segfaults | 15:29 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: „Failure while trying to run: chroot /mnt/deblet dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny9_armel.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_armel.deb | 15:29 |
| otwieracz | ” | 15:29 |
| Hurrian | although there's a bug: it doesn't skip the song IF the song is paused | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, hmm, that's weird | 15:30 |
| jrayhawk | Can you verify that file exists? | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, it does, but mafw doesn't emit the metadata changed signal | 15:30 |
| FIQ | by the way, how come if I forward X from N900 to computer and run something in wine, i cannot use the keyboard? | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | ah | 15:30 |
| FIQ | i.e. the focus is still on the terminal | 15:30 |
| FIQ | but all other X applications works fine | 15:30 |
| xraptorx | Anyone one is from NY or exist a irc channel from them | 15:30 |
| ekce86 | MohammadAG, alright, I'm waiting eagerly :) much appreciated | 15:31 |
| FIQ | uh | 15:31 |
| FIQ | forwarding X from computer to N900* | 15:31 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : are you going to remake the icons or will i supply them to you? | 15:31 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: wait a moment… | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: fun, isn't it? | 15:31 |
| Hurrian | if you need them, i'll zip them up | 15:31 |
| FIQ | much | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, libsdl1.2 1:1.2.13-2maemo8+0m5 | 15:32 |
| jrayhawk | archive.debian.org doesn't appear to be in the mirrors list, so it may have completely failed to download | 15:32 |
| FIQ | why does it do that? | 15:32 |
| FIQ | and can i dodge it somehow? | 15:32 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: Yes, it exists. | 15:32 |
| jrayhawk | unless it gave you a way to put that in manually | 15:32 |
| jrayhawk | ah, okay | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, libmikmod2 3.1.11-a-2 | 15:32 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Could you just do "dpkg -l|grep libqt" and send me the output so that I can compare the versions? | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, libvorbisfile3 1.2.3.tk1 | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: you do what? forward a wine session on PC via vnc to N900? | 15:33 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: I'll try again… | 15:34 |
| FIQ | no, via X (ssh) | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 15:34 |
| FIQ | too bad | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, ii libqt4-gui 1:4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu1 | 15:34 |
| khertan_ | pretty strange error in sdk : http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv | 15:37 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: If it isn't too much of a hassle, could you /msg me the list or put it on pastebin? | 15:38 |
| MoonTiger | i have to say Qt is a wonderful framework | 15:39 |
| MoonTiger | i am impressed | 15:39 |
| khertan_ | until you do qml stuff | 15:39 |
| khertan_ | :) | 15:39 |
| MoonTiger | hmmmmmm im loving c++ right now | 15:40 |
| MoonTiger | it feels like coming home | 15:40 |
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| MohammadAG | ToJa92, http://pastebin.com/Aub6iG6R | 15:40 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: No libqtm* packages installed? | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, those aren't touched in the CSSU | 15:42 |
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| ToJa92 | well the libqt4- package versions matches | 15:43 |
| ToJa92 | guess I'll be looking at reflashing this afternoon then | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | try apt-get --reinstall instail-ing them | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | buzzword aegis | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB phonet and cmt are running under security according to this | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ola javispedro | 15:49 |
| javispedro | helo | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | for you: | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say | 15:50 |
| ShadowJK | so you can't run your own kernels and os and retain phone functions? | 15:50 |
| javispedro | dunno, looks like a srchash to me | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's all handwaving by me | 15:51 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I do not think it is anything about hashed modules. Why hash g_softupd.ko and not, say, iommu.ko? This is the kernel, either all of them are hashed or it is as good as if noone was. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: depending on policies that might be what it means | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm just spreading FUD atm | 15:53 |
| khertan_ | DocScrutinizer,http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv | 15:53 |
| ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Well that did fix the issue (not sure why I didn't try that before). Thanks | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | I'm all for the security framework for Ovi apps and such, but why the kernel? :/ | 15:53 |
| khertan_ | once you have the kernel | 15:53 |
| khertan_ | i mean an access | 15:54 |
| khertan_ | you can by pass everything you want | 15:54 |
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| javispedro | khertan_'s FUD is way more scaring | 15:54 |
| javispedro | (I mean that pastebin) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | just went twittering a bit. Maybe should reduce number of posts, and increase timespan and amount of pondering between running into sth and posting my thoughts here ;-) | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | khertan_, fakeroot? | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | I want the Harmattan SDK :( | 15:57 |
| khertan_ | MohammadAG, yep ;) | 15:57 |
| khertan_ | fakeroot i ve put it after ;) | 15:57 |
| khertan_ | but it s funny to got this strange error | 15:57 |
| khertan_ | about aegis ... when install a package in the sdk | 15:57 |
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| * khertan_ have python problem in scratchbox | 15:57 | |
| khertan_ | MohammadAG, ? what the problem ? | 15:58 |
| * RST38h yawns | 15:58 | |
| RST38h | helo javispedro | 15:58 |
| javispedro | RST38h: hello | 15:58 |
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| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038806&postcount=122 | 15:59 |
| Hurrian | maximum_trolling.bmp | 16:00 |
| javispedro | it is actually very easy to do a transparent screen | 16:00 |
| javispedro | just set truecolor visual with alpha channel | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bcm4751-gps.ko :-o | 16:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Just found that Android SDK forces you to keep all your source code and data in the same directory | 16:01 |
| RST38h | two directories actually, ok | 16:01 |
| javispedro | h-d will composite it with desktop background automatically | 16:01 |
| javispedro | RST38h: Java, Java. | 16:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I.e. if I have got a few classes that are shared between projects, I am forced to copy them | 16:01 |
| khertan_ | javispedro, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, | 16:02 |
| javispedro | this entire "thou must use our holy directory structure" is a very Java thing | 16:02 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I am not sure how people can do any serious programming using this stuff | 16:02 |
| MoonTiger | how do i show the notification popups in maemo qt apps | 16:02 |
| MoonTiger | ? | 16:02 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it all feels like a toy | 16:02 |
| MoonTiger | the semi-transparent bar that goes across the screen i mean | 16:03 |
| javispedro | RST38h: the question is: does it cather to all those toy application developers so that android can someday say they have an order of magnitude more fart applications that iphone? | 16:04 |
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| MoonTiger | ok well what is the "correect" way to show user errors on dialog boxes for maemo? | 16:04 |
| GAN900 | Gay pride parade in front of the store today. | 16:05 |
| * GAN900 prays for some rain. | 16:05 | |
| MoonTiger | GAN900, where are you? | 16:05 |
| GAN900 | St. Petersburg, FL | 16:05 |
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| MoonTiger | why do u want rain? | 16:06 |
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| javispedro | WTH? http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/nokias-android-flirtations-revealed/ | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | I miss rain | 16:06 |
| Hurrian | javispedro, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN DENSITY | 16:07 |
| Hurrian | looks legit | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | Because it's my job to keep entitled, rude bastards from filling up the parking lot. | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | and rain will thin the crowds. | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | 80k expected to attend | 16:07 |
| javispedro | GAN900: you do not want rain then, but fire balls from the sky | 16:08 |
| javispedro | depending on your location, the latter might have more chances =) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: more or less | 16:08 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Why?Do you like your gays wet? | 16:08 |
| MoonTiger | GAN900, so you are homophobic then? | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | MoonTiger, no, I just don't like spending my morning in the hot sun telling people who think everyone who tells them not to do something is a homophobe why I'd prefer they not shut down my place of employment today. :) | 16:09 |
| MoonTiger | GAN900, so if it was a free-beer and rock music with hot chics parade you would do the same yes? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | GAN900:Which bring up the next logical question: If someone hates straight people too, is he STILL homophobic?=) | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | MoonTiger, yes, though, anecdotally, I find far fewer problems with the expectation of free public use of private property with most other events. | 16:11 |
| MoonTiger | if its private property then the people who own it have obviously given permission no? | 16:12 |
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| MohammadAG | <MoonTiger> why do u want rain? | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | haven't seen it in a while | 16:13 |
| * MoonTiger doesn't like homophobic people | 16:14 | |
| GAN900 | MoonTiger, yes, clearly, or I wouldn't be standing outside telling people not to park next to the front door if they're not shopping here. | 16:15 |
| javispedro | you think gays need _permission_? | 16:16 |
| * GAN900 doesn't much care for people who attribute broad stereotypes to people they disagree with. | 16:16 | |
| MoonTiger | GAN900, so if they have permission isn't it just something you have to deal with? | 16:16 |
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| GAN900 | They don't have permission | 16:16 |
| MoonTiger | then call the cops | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | They think they're entitled to free parking wherever they want | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | MoonTiger, I have, but it's generally a last resort. | 16:16 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: we'll see if it will work now. | 16:17 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: currently installing packages. | 16:17 |
| javispedro | GAN900: but aren't you in the US? just bring out the shotgun! ;) | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Put on some hot chaps, to make sure they know you're not homophobic. | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, ugh, the leather costumes people manage to put together. . . . | 16:18 |
| tank-man | you don't call the cop for unauthorized parking, you call the tow company | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, "hey, you know, there are WOMEN who use the N900! yes, WOMEN!" - 12 I'd say | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Just sign it 'Car recycling point' | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And then get all the cars crushed for profit. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, they barely make up 1% with sociality's stats :P | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | just thought I'd say that | 16:20 |
| MoonTiger | i just replace the word "gay" with "black" and see if the sentence is still unoffensive ... if it is the cool ... otherwise not so much | 16:20 |
| MoonTiger | MohammadAG, 13 | 16:20 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG : still, not even a lie that women actually bought that thick, heavy, black hunk of junk | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, wow, they're 5% | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | *that'swhatHEsaid" | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | out of 4027 users | 16:21 |
| mrdongle | ty javispedro | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | also, inb4 lock screen thread turns into a troll thread | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | vi_ : I wunt 9 lok screenz with widgets and a appz luncher with a map and polling all hardware all time. | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | most N900 users w/ a facebook are from germany | 16:22 |
| Hurrian | holy crap, you can find so many of these in the maemo 5 screenshots thread | 16:22 |
| MoonTiger | Hurrian, and battery life of more than 1 hr? | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | I think I should remove images from the binary | 16:22 |
| Hurrian | MAG: gconf tiem | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | no, QSettings | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | ah | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | right, you're using qt | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | i always wondered why there are so. many. ricer. desktops. in the M5 screenshot thread, and none at all in M2-4 screenshots | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | either I remove the images from the binary, or I keep it there and allow a custom one | 16:24 |
| Hurrian | MAG : remove it, and prompt for a wallpaper on first launch | 16:24 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: make it transparent and h-d will show desktop background | 16:24 |
| javispedro | but sadly I have no idea how to do that with Qt =) | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, no, that's not practical | 16:25 |
| Hurrian | D: | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, and on MeeGo? :P | 16:25 |
| javispedro | no idea, will test it today | 16:26 |
| Hurrian | MAG: just require the settings app to be run before using switching over to the new lock screen then | 16:26 |
| Hurrian | ....or ship it with a flat black background | 16:26 |
| Hurrian | whatever works i guess | 16:26 |
| javispedro | another alternative is to read desktop background from gconf | 16:27 |
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| MohammadAG | best way QSettings().value("main/background-url", ":/lockscreen.png") | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | if the settings file has a value set, use that, else, use the file in the binary | 16:30 |
| javispedro | Qt has pervasive in-binary files support? | 16:30 |
| javispedro | that is nice. | 16:30 |
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| Jartza | http://i.imgur.com/w8j7r.jpg | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:31 |
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| MohammadAG | I found why the slider sucks, it's cause I was setting the background in paintEvent | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ^ | 16:32 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | is there a better way to do it? say QPalette? | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | What's everybody's takeaway from the Harmattan SDK? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | I can't install it | 16:33 |
| javispedro | which one? | 16:34 |
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| GAN900 | Any one you care to have an opinion about? | 16:35 |
| * javispedro likes sbox as usual... | 16:36 | |
| javispedro | I miss more sample applications, still remember the days when the SDK would come with a sample of virtually any kind of applet or application | 16:37 |
| javispedro | each of them showing a GNU logo =) | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it fails on step 2 | 16:37 |
| javispedro | I did not install sbox using the wizard though | 16:37 |
| javispedro | so no idea what step2 is =) | 16:38 |
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| alterego | Installed fine for me, I might blog the manual install instructions. | 16:39 |
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| merlin1991 | alterego: I'd like to read that blogpost | 16:41 |
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| gri | Harmattan sdk is unusable to port my application. Contacts and messaging missing -> nike ... | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, then how did you install it? | 16:43 |
| gri | nice* | 16:43 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I have some notes, I'm formatting them a bit | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, oh, so there's no script? | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | besides the python one | 16:44 |
| javispedro | none that I know of | 16:45 |
| alterego | The wizzard just updated my scratchbox | 16:45 |
| Hurrian | gri, you may need to add nokia-binaries | 16:45 |
| Hurrian | but you dont have a key | 16:45 |
| gri | Hurrian: my /etc/apt/sources.list has an entry of nokia-binaries | 16:46 |
| * RST38h seriously considering going at the .java files with the C preprocessor | 16:46 | |
| Hurrian | ah | 16:46 |
| Hurrian | well, try searching for the apps | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | apt-cache search | 16:47 |
| gri | already done | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | :( | 16:47 |
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| gri | still only accounts-ui, settings, qmlviewer and an not-working instance of mail | 16:48 |
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| Hurrian | okay, night guys. | 16:49 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/cS5MA88D | 16:49 |
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| * jonwil curses libconnui and libconnui_cell... | 16:51 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: Neither fremantle nor diablo should break if you follow this, though maybe you will need a newer version of the diablo/fremantle devkits | 16:51 |
| * jonwil curses the lack of an easy way to get signaled for flightmode and for network changes | 16:51 | |
| mrdongle | what is fun today | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, and I'm guessing the same SB packages should work? | 16:52 |
| gri | javispedro: Are the rootstraps the same which get installed by the python installer script? | 16:52 |
| mrdongle | i got a wlan beacon in a plane once on kismet | 16:52 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: which ones? :P | 16:52 |
| javispedro | gri: yes. | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, the ones installed by the two Fremantle SDK scripts | 16:52 |
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| gri | damn, I need the contacts application and/or messaging-ui | 16:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: the packages installed by the fremantle sdk might not make it, you need hathor | 16:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: if you used .deb packages to install the fremantle sdk, you should use .deb packages again to upgrade to hathor | 16:53 |
| javispedro | otherwise you end up with mess =9 | 16:53 |
| javispedro | I have gentoo, and I also have sbox on separate partition, so I use tarballs. | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG | I think I already messed up when I upgraded ubuntu | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/ I see harmattan and hathor | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | /scratchbox persisted, debs didn't :p | 16:54 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: someone probably aggregated the harmattan versions for you | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | oh, amd64 packages | 16:55 |
| merlin1991 | do you suggest using hator or the harmattan ones? :D | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | why did I have to use force-arch with fremantle? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | the versions match, so use the harmattan ones | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG | or should I use the x86 ones? | 16:56 |
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| * merlin1991 hopes that this is going to work | 16:56 | |
| MohammadAG | since the target expects X86 | 16:56 |
| javispedro | hathor = stable scratchbox series | 16:56 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: do you run amd64 ubuntu? | 16:56 |
| arvut | hello folks | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 16:56 |
| javispedro | then amd64 | 16:56 |
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| otwieracz | It takes so looong to install this Debian… | 16:56 |
| javispedro | it's just the package header changed, sbox is still 32-bit only | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | but Harmattan targets are ARMEL and X86 :P | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG | should I dl the exact versions you posted or the newest ones? | 16:57 |
| javispedro | you know the answer | 16:58 |
| javispedro | adventurous = newer. | 16:58 |
| javispedro | coward = exact. | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | I hate microB sometimes :/ | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | updating scratchbox currently | 16:59 |
| javispedro | I ponder what's this entire N9 has plug'n'play sdk | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | wondering how much will break | 16:59 |
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| javispedro | merlin1991: I see that there's also autotools-legacy and python-legacy sbox packages, I think you will need them for fremantle (someone was having this error before) | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | 16KB/s \o/ | 17:00 |
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| merlin1991 | 110 here | 17:00 |
| javispedro | I bet I don't get it because I just untarred everything on top of the older sbox so I still have older files | 17:00 |
| merlin1991 | still no fun | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | I wish someone would mirror there | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | those* | 17:00 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: I'll report back when ubuntu finished updateing sn | 17:01 |
| merlin1991 | s/sn/sb | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | 30KB/s, this is boring | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how fast the server would dl it | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I messed up your wiki pages another time ;-) | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm taking a day off and clearing up the garden a bit. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) fair enough | 17:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | And decompressing. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll do similarly IT-unrelated things now | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | holy shit 400KB/s xD | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Will start digging into kernel source and FCC and ... | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: your pastebin tells me to set up "Harmattan Nokia Meego API armel beta rootstrap" wth is the "Harmattan Platform API beta armel rootstrap " ? | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | 2MB/s wtf | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | huh? | 17:03 |
| javispedro | I don't think I ever used the word meego ;) | 17:04 |
| * lcuk dances around the chan | 17:04 | |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: rootstrapname -> description on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php | 17:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer claps hands to lcuk 's dance | 17:04 | |
| javispedro | merlin1991: aah, you will see filenames after reading & accepting EULA. | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | yeah saw it | 17:05 |
| javispedro | which one to gets I tell you on pastebin | 17:05 |
| javispedro | *get | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | I did follow you so far | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | I'm only wondering wht the other ones are | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | *wth | 17:05 |
| javispedro | nfi | 17:05 |
| javispedro | they are larger | 17:06 |
| javispedro | i'll test them someday | 17:06 |
| javispedro | the script gets the one I mentioned | 17:06 |
| javispedro | oooh. | 17:06 |
| javispedro | maybe. | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | nokiameegoapi means only Qt stuff, while platformapi means "more" stuff; whatever "more" is. | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shell wizards: any way other than $> od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries in scripts? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ in s/ via s/ | 17:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: shell wizards: any way other than $> od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries via scripts? | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | Ugh, now the Jesus Freaks are trying to save my soul. | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | It's too hot for questions of theology. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: prolly you can use it | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | I swear if this breaks my Fremantle sb | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | Soul saving? Probably. | 17:09 |
| javispedro | GAN900: cause you let them park? | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | But who has the time? | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, nah, they're going to convert all the gays. | 17:09 |
| * javispedro hides from MohammadAG | 17:09 | |
| javispedro | GAN900: see? god is answering to your fireballs from the sky request | 17:09 |
| javispedro | in a few moments you will have a civil war. right in front your work place. | 17:10 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm also wondering what arm-qemu-rm680_linux_i686.tar.gz is | 17:10 |
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| merlin1991 | according to the page it's Harmattan System Qemu image 32bit | 17:10 |
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| javispedro | it is what it says on the tin =) | 17:11 |
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| javispedro | the image also comes with the qt sdk to be used with madde | 17:12 |
| merlin1991 | sb updating via deb, wish me luck | 17:12 |
| merlin1991 | ah well I'll be able to test in an hour 300kb/s on the rootstraps | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | how do I dl http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php?f=i386-psdk-nokiameegoapi-beta-rootstrap.tgz with wget? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing cookies, but how? :P | 17:13 |
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| merlin1991 | ~sdk | 17:15 |
| infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com | 17:15 |
| merlin1991 | ffs | 17:15 |
| javispedro | great! | 17:15 |
| merlin1991 | I want the link to the maemo wiki :D | 17:15 |
| merlin1991 | ~maemosdk | 17:16 |
| infobot | maemosdk is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/MeeGo/Harmattan | 17:16 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: read http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/will-the-real-stephen-elop-please-stand-up.html ? | 17:19 |
| * merlin1991 loves it how stopping the maemo emulation lets xephyr segfault | 17:19 | |
| * MohammadAG loves how he always thought it was a signal being sent to Xephyr | 17:19 | |
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| MohammadAG | I always nohup Xephyr :P | 17:19 |
| merlin1991 | but fremantle sdk seems to be working still, so updating sb didn't break it | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | we'll have to postpone torturing javispedro then | 17:20 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: try to build a package | 17:20 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: I did | 17:20 |
| javispedro | ok | 17:20 |
| merlin1991 | gonna try that one on device and then I'm really sure it worked :D | 17:21 |
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| jiero | hi, I come here to ask for help again. I found my camera on N900 is not working and a post related to the Community Seamless Software Update. Is it true? | 17:23 |
| Cor-Ai | mm | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | jiero: I'm running the cssu and camera works just fine | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | jiero: could you be a little bit more precise about "not working" ? | 17:24 |
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| jiero | merlin1991: lol its working now! | 17:26 |
| jiero | merlin1991: are you angel? | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | afaik merlin is a wizard ;) | 17:27 |
| jiero | merlin1991: thanks for you help :D | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: the package did run fine on the n900, I guess sb didn't break :) | 17:28 |
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| merlin1991 | I feel stupid for asking this, but where does apt cache deb files? | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | (on the n900) | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | /var/cache/apt/archives | 17:31 |
| infobot | bye doc | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 17:31 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: am I right assuming that this is part of rootfs? | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | ah nope symlink in /var/cache to opt | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | beat me to it | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | I symlinked it to MyDocs | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | that way I can restore apps easily after a reflash | 17:33 |
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| merlin1991 | hm is there a way to expand a full path like /var/cache/apt/archives to the "real path" ? | 17:34 |
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| javispedro | "realpath" | 17:34 |
| javispedro | it is a unix command. | 17:35 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: doesn't work… | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't ls -l do that same? | 17:35 |
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| merlin1991 | next time I'm just going to hit the right word into the terminal and see if there is a command like it | 17:36 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: but you break the beatifulness of having actually guessed the command name without knowing =) | 17:36 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ls -l doesn't | 17:36 |
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| merlin1991 | it only shows links in the current dir so you'd have to step trough each directory checking if it leads somewhere else | 17:37 |
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| otwieracz | At boot time mmcblk0p1 is internat or external card? | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to download from multiple servers? | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | which boot time | 17:39 |
| otwieracz | Bootloader. | 17:39 |
| otwieracz | Which partition I should give in bootloader. | 17:39 |
| otwieracz | (for Deblet) | 17:39 |
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| otwieracz | Beucase actual is probably wrong. | 17:40 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/debletbootmenu.txt | 17:43 |
| zhasha | Hello there. Is it right that Maemo 5 currently uses GLib 2.20? and if so, why so old? | 17:43 |
| jrayhawk | INT_CARD or EXT_CARD are what you'd want inside the boot menu. | 17:44 |
| otwieracz | Bootnig, hell yeah! | 17:44 |
| otwieracz | mmcblok0p1. | 17:44 |
| otwieracz | It works! | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | FINALLY | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | I found out why I had no qtcreator anymore | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | meegosdk did write a new .desktop file with the exact name :/ | 17:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good afternoon | 17:53 |
| mrdongle | can i run maemo5 binary on another omap3 device? | 17:57 |
| mrdongle | copy the whole OS? :) | 17:57 |
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| otwieracz | jrayhawk: you remember, how to use wpa_supplicant here? | 17:58 |
| otwieracz | (or any other way to configure wifi) | 17:58 |
| jrayhawk | iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf | 17:59 |
| jrayhawk | wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf | 17:59 |
| jrayhawk | (That goes in /etc/network/interfaces) | 18:00 |
| jrayhawk | Do you want an example /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? | 18:00 |
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| otwieracz | I already have done it… | 18:05 |
| jrayhawk | Oh good. | 18:05 |
| otwieracz | But how to Ctrl+C?! | 18:05 |
| otwieracz | ping google.com is killing me :) | 18:05 |
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| ShadowJK | zhasha: ii libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5 | 18:08 |
| jrayhawk | Maybe it's using /dev/console for STDI/O | 18:08 |
| zhasha | ShadowJK: GLib, not glibc | 18:08 |
| otwieracz | I must take off battery… | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 18:08 |
| jrayhawk | Probably, yeah. | 18:08 |
| jrayhawk | ctrl-c is interpreted by the TTY driver in the kernel; you have to be careful if you're not using /dev/tty* | 18:09 |
| otwieracz | But Deblet is working. | 18:09 |
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| otwieracz | :) | 18:09 |
| otwieracz | And wifi works. | 18:09 |
| jrayhawk | If you're lucky, you can find a means of magic sysrqing the process causing problems. I think alt-sysrq-F is OOM killer, for instance. I kinda doubt the n810 has sysrq mapped, though. | 18:10 |
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| GAN900 | What's the best Holy Crap You Need To Buy This N9 video so far? | 18:12 |
| otwieracz | jrayhawk: so many dependency problems with e17… | 18:13 |
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| jrayhawk | I suspect if you're using lenny, i suspect fatalsaints e17 packages will be easiest. if you're using squeeze or wheezy or sid, those probably already have e17. | 18:15 |
| jrayhawk | i do a lot of suspecting! | 18:15 |
| javispedro | GAN900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ | 18:15 |
| otwieracz | Lenny is here. | 18:15 |
| gri | javispedro: Video blocked in Germany o_O | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuJfi3kTt2w s/record/phone/ | 18:16 |
| otwieracz | libecore-con0, for example. | 18:16 |
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| otwieracz | And I'm trying to install e17 from fatalsaints, right. | 18:18 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, too bad for you I'm on EDGE. :P | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, will qoles trick work on harmattan | 18:20 |
| lcuk | ? | 18:20 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, use Nyan cat next time, seriously :P | 18:21 |
| javispedro | naah, he's special. | 18:22 |
| * khertan_ didn't like the harmattan interface | 18:22 | |
| khertan_ | closing app is a pain | 18:22 |
| otwieracz | I'll try to install lxde… | 18:26 |
| MoonTiger | guys how can i get the qt maemo stuff into qtcreator? | 18:26 |
| FIQ | so what is harmattan really | 18:29 |
| FIQ | maemo? meego? | 18:29 |
| FIQ | branded as meego, but i've heard opposite in many places... | 18:29 |
| jrayhawk | I got my post-Lenny pre-Squeeze Deblet userspace working, finally. | 18:29 |
| jrayhawk | I wonder if I dare upgrade all the way to Squeeze. | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | what trick? | 18:31 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: I'm having slight troubles following your install instrucitons | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | I have no /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh | 18:35 |
| javispedro | you did .deb? | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 18:35 |
| javispedro | ignore it then, probably was run by postinst script | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | and in sb-menu I can't select the right compilers | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | (to install a new target) | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | yay last deb | 18:36 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: what do you mean? not listen? did you install the appropiate .debs? | 18:36 |
| javispedro | s/listen/listed/ | 18:36 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: merlin1991: what do you mean? not listed? did you install the appropiate .debs? | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | not listed, and yep I've got the feeling I might be missing packages | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | ah sry I didn't install the toolchain debs, my fault | 18:38 |
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| joga | after about 3 hours of messing with it, downloading the map of my route using really flaky net and getting a tomtom voice, converting it for marble and installing it, it still failed me :( no voice | 18:41 |
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| joga | fortunately my sister's guy borrowed his iphone with tomtom that worked perfectly, didn't need to touch it once after entering destination, so all went fine ;) | 18:42 |
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| nokia_app | hi all... is there any way i can install the WhatsApp messenger on my n900?? | 18:46 |
| zhasha | nokia_app: what's wrong with telepathy? | 18:52 |
| nokia_app | i wasn't aware aware of that... let me install it.. will return if i face problems with that. | 18:52 |
| zhasha | nokia_app: your N900 ships with it | 18:53 |
| zhasha | install additional protocol handlers if you need to | 18:53 |
| nokia_app | well my n900 doesn't have it | 18:54 |
| zhasha | do you have the contacts application? | 18:54 |
| nokia_app | as in phone contacts? | 18:55 |
| zhasha | go to Settings->VOIP and IM accounts | 18:55 |
| zhasha | and yes, your N900 does have telepathy unless you installed a different OS on it | 18:55 |
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| nokia_app | ok i've gone to voip and im accounts.. now hat | 18:56 |
| nokia_app | *what? | 18:56 |
| zhasha | add your IM accounts | 18:56 |
| gri | I think WhatsApp is not a open protocol | 18:58 |
| nokia_app | but isn't whatsapp like bbm? where u can IM any other phone in the world? | 18:59 |
| gri | I think its something proprietary, they have clients for most phones (except maemo) | 19:00 |
| nokia_app | so technically i can't communicate with someone having whatsapp if i use telepathy right? | 19:01 |
| zhasha | for N900, you want to find a telepathy plugin that talks whatsapp then | 19:01 |
| gri | If they don't open the protocol, no | 19:01 |
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| zhasha | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 and this thing seems to indicate that it just uses XMPP | 19:01 |
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| nokia_app | for some reason my n900 doesn't have telepathy either.. this is an old phone.. around a year old.. does tht make s difference? | 19:03 |
| zhasha | no, and your phone does have telepathy | 19:03 |
| gri | nokia_app: Telepathy is the framework which is used for im/phone/sms | 19:03 |
| gri | Apple Push Notifications is also XMPP and you can't connect to it with other devices than Iphones :) | 19:04 |
| nokia_app | ok.. so is there a gui for it? | 19:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, sorry I'm late to this discussion... what are you trying to do? | 19:05 |
| gri | "Conversations" is the gui | 19:05 |
| valdyn_ | nokia_app: sure it has telepathy | 19:05 |
| nokia_app | Venemo_N900 i was trying to find out if there is an app analogous to the whatsapp messenger for maemo | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, ping | 19:06 |
| javispedro | pong | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox-core: 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-core:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | thoughts? | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, what is whatsapp messenger | 19:06 |
| valdyn_ | nokia_app: whatsapp is proprietary, you cannot use 3rd party apps | 19:06 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: wth. didn't you said you losed packages while upgrading? | 19:06 |
| zhasha | again, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 <-- They say it's just XMPP | 19:06 |
| javispedro | upgrading ubuntu | 19:06 |
| valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: its an im system where users are identified by phone number, not some nick or id | 19:07 |
| nokia_app | Venemo_N900 whatsapp is something bbm. | 19:07 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you probably need to properly remove the i386 packages | 19:07 |
| nokia_app | *like bbm | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | valdyn_, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry | 19:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good | 19:08 |
| valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: and (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope | 19:08 |
| valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: *can* (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope | 19:08 |
| valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: thats why theres whatsapp / bbm | 19:08 |
| * javispedro is writing the SDL implementation of his dreams, opengles builtin, no cpu usage when paused, ... =) | 19:08 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | well, just find contacts from the Contacts or the Conversations app | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's the big deal? | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | it works very well for me | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, how | 19:09 |
| valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: its not about me, its about convenience, im just saying why those products exist | 19:09 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: "dpkg --purge .." | 19:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | valdyn_, mhm | 19:09 |
| gri | Venemo_N900: Its slightly different than IM | 19:10 |
| zhasha | valdyn_: no, but you can merge all your current contacts for the exact same effect. And if it is indeed regular ol' XMPP, you just need to enter the correct XMPP address and you're golden | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core:1386 | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:1386 | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | you'd think I tried that :P | 19:10 |
| valdyn_ | zhasha: yea, dont tell me, tell the millions of whatsapp users | 19:10 |
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| gri | Venemo_N900: The other side does not need to be online but his/her phone receives a push notification for new messages | 19:10 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: sadly, I left debian before multiarch stuff was implemented | 19:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 19:10 |
| valdyn_ | its quite elegant anyway | 19:11 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: either way, it's "i386", not 1386. | 19:11 |
| nokia_app | so what do u guys suggest?? | 19:11 |
| zhasha | valdyn_: anything that doesn't integrate seamlessly all your contacts AND conversations into one place is extraordinarily inelegant | 19:11 |
| valdyn_ | nokia_app: you cannot use whatsapp from the n900 | 19:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, just use the built-in IM app | 19:11 |
| zhasha | it's like having 6 different music players for 6 different music services | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:i1386 | 19:11 |
| javispedro | "i386"!!! | 19:12 |
| valdyn_ | zhasha: im not sure why you are telling me that, that is something else | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, there is no such thing as i1386 | 19:12 |
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| nokia_app | Venemo_N900:but the built in app features only skype, fb, gmail, jabber, sip. | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 19:13 |
| zhasha | valdyn_: hardly. telepathy is designed to eliminate that exact problem | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | I always thought it was 1386 | 19:13 |
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| valdyn_ | zhasha: i like it, sure, but it doesnt solve what whatsapp solves | 19:14 |
| valdyn_ | zhasha: ideally telepathy would be able to connect to whatsapp, sure, but it doesnt | 19:14 |
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| zhasha | valdyn_: if it's XMPP, it does | 19:14 |
| valdyn_ | zhasha: lets see what google knows | 19:15 |
| gri | xmpp-android.whatsapp.net ? | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, it also features facebook, gtalk, and more. plus msn if you install it, and more | 19:15 |
| zhasha | valdyn_: I refer you for the 3rd time: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 | 19:15 |
| gri | foud a german blog who says WhatsApp does not use any encryption .. nice :D | 19:15 |
| gri | found* | 19:16 |
| nokia_app | Venemo_N900: but if my friends're using whatsapp, i can't use it right? | 19:18 |
| rd | I installed meego on an external ssd and uboot tells me only: wrong image format for bootm command | 19:18 |
| rd | Does anybody understand what might went wrong? | 19:18 |
| valdyn_ | zhasha: not useful | 19:19 |
| rd | it boots maemo, but not meego (using run mmcboot) | 19:19 |
| valdyn_ | nokia_app: i cant see anything but official clients being able to connect | 19:19 |
| nokia_app | valdyn_: ok | 19:20 |
| gri | nokia_app: If it helps: WebOS users also have no chance to connect .. :) | 19:20 |
| valdyn_ | i cant even recall creating an account for whatsapp, so it has to be using the sim | 19:21 |
| valdyn_ | that would have pretty evil implications if someone created a 3rd party implementation | 19:22 |
| nokia_app | gri: i've set up my IM facebook account.. how do i start IMing now? nothing happens after i click sign in | 19:24 |
| gri | valdyn_: Mostly all "app stores" have callbacks when an user installs the application. They receive an unique identifier which gets transmitted to their servers. So even if you decompile the whole android software, you won't be able to register | 19:24 |
| valdyn_ | gri: whatsapp isnt necessarily from an app store | 19:24 |
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| valdyn_ | gri: would it use sms in that case? | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 19:25 |
| valdyn_ | gri: im to clueless about mobile networks.. | 19:25 |
| gri | valdyn_: You're right ... I've seen the way I described with other services | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | how do I unmount scratchbox mounts? | 19:25 |
| gri | nokia_app: Your contacts get extended | 19:26 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: sbox_ctl stop | 19:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, /scratchbox/sbin/sb_conf stop | 19:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | or something like that | 19:26 |
| javispedro | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop | 19:26 |
| nokia_app | yep i just noticed that | 19:26 |
| gri | nokia_app: Now you may have duplicate contacts which you can join to one contact | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, that got removed | 19:26 |
| javispedro | hah | 19:26 |
| javispedro | reboot =) | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind, I did all unmounts manually | 19:26 |
| javispedro | if you did not umount everything, and you rm -rf /scratchbox, say goodbye to your home. | 19:27 |
| valdyn_ | MohammadAG: you can always use umount -l | 19:27 |
| valdyn_ | MohammadAG: thats not exactly clean but may be clean enough | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, too late, did that a year ago | 19:27 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:27 |
| javispedro | best way to learn =) | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | it removed /dev/* and my server was useless for 2 months | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn_, normal umounts worked | 19:28 |
| zhasha | gri, nokia_app: need to install "merge duplicate contacts" for that | 19:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | ah yeah | 19:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | sbox_ctl and not sb_conf | 19:29 |
| nokia_app | zhasha: ok | 19:30 |
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| kerio | lol elop | 19:31 |
| MoonTiger | hmmmmm can anybody help a little with the simulator in qtcreator? | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | if the thing is reallly price over 599 pounds it is going to be like a joke | 19:34 |
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| MoonTiger | or explain why my app doesn't look maemo-ish when running on it? | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | 599 POUNDS? | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | wtf? | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | MoonTiger: afaik you don't get the maemo styles in the qt simulator | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | at least it used to be like that | 19:36 |
| MoonTiger | merlin1991, ok thnx ... so dialogs etc look like generic desktop dialogs etc? | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 19:36 |
| MoonTiger | how do i include the maemo specific qt headers? if you don't mind me asking ... i cannot seem to find them | 19:37 |
| mrdongle2 | javispedro: i saw estimates of $600 for the N9 | 19:37 |
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| merlin1991 | MoonTiger: you might be interested in http://maintenance.maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/qt_creator_and_scratchbox/ | 19:38 |
| MoonTiger | uuuugghhh scratchbox :( | 19:38 |
| MoonTiger | but thnx for the link and help :) | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | hehe, yea scratchbox | 19:39 |
| MoonTiger | i think i'll use the simulator and then the device itself | 19:40 |
| MoonTiger | i use arch 64bit and scratchbox is even more of a bitch on tht | 19:40 |
| javispedro | scratchbox rules | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: :) | 19:40 |
| MoonTiger | javispedro, really? | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I'm getting permission denied on /scratchbox/login | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | and no run_me_first | 19:41 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: have you added yourself to sbox group? | 19:41 |
| MoonTiger | MohammadAG, have you tried run-away-screaming? | 19:41 |
| javispedro | MoonTiger: ya really. | 19:41 |
| MoonTiger | :| | 19:41 |
| MoonTiger | javispedro, i tried to use ot for developing a share plugin and it is a massive fail | 19:42 |
| MoonTiger | ot/it | 19:42 |
| javispedro | I am NOT listening! | 19:42 |
| * MoonTiger sighs | 19:42 | |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox is a bit more sane than madde imo | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | hm is there an easy way to discover all clients in the local subnet from the commandline with buildin tools? | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, shouldn't it do that? | 19:43 |
| * jonwil is currently working on cloning hald-addon-bme | 19:44 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I do not think it will add yourself to the group automatically, the question is why you where not added previously | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | "discoverallclientsinthelocalsubnet", it's a UNIX tool xP | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, I was in "sbox" afaik | 19:45 |
| jonwil | Someone said they wanted a clone of hald-addon-bme earlier... | 19:45 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: maybe it changed gid, dunno, check it.. | 19:46 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: fu! | 19:46 |
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| MohammadAG | ERROR: You don't have permission to run '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid'. | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | Maybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group. | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | but I just removed myself and added myself to sbox | 19:47 |
| merlin1991 | log out and in into your host session | 19:47 |
| merlin1991 | trust me | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | (and started a new shell) | 19:47 |
| javispedro | I'd reboot =) | 19:47 |
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| c2p | part | 19:49 |
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| c2pLaY | weird | 19:49 |
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| jonwil | ~seen DocScrutinizer | 19:53 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (12h 22m) #meego (12h 22m) #openmoko (12h 22m) #infobot (12h 22m) #openmoko-cdevel (12h 22m). Has said a total of 239 messages. Is idling for 5m 22s, last said: 'but thanks :-)'. | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | reboot worked | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | I get sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH not set. | 19:54 |
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| jonwil | Am I the only one who thinks that the touchscreen on the N900 is better than the touchscreen on my families iPhones and HTC Desires? | 19:55 |
| GAN900 | No. | 19:55 |
| wmarone | I hate using the capacitive screen on my nook color | 19:56 |
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| wmarone | "did I click the link? No, it clicked the other one near it. Oh wait, it didn't register." | 19:56 |
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| javispedro | jonwil: you are in the latest resistive stronghold | 19:57 |
| jonwil | I never understood why manufacturers prefer capacative over resistive | 19:58 |
| javispedro | sadly, it is soon going to be broken too, with the n9 being capacitive | 19:58 |
| jonwil | Resistive seems superior from where I sit | 19:58 |
| lcuk | capacitive is simpler for the touch | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | wmarone, or worse: "Did I just click something?" | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, any ideas? before I rm -rf :P | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | I'm mistakenly clicking things and dragging things across screen accidentally on my netbook's capaitive touchpad | 20:00 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: check the target conf (sb-conf show) | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | sb-conf: Invalid compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 20:01 |
| javispedro | you have: a) deleted the fremantle toolchain (so your fremantle is now broken =) ) b) misconfigured the target | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, no softfp compiler | 20:01 |
| javispedro | codesource 2007 is fremantle | 20:02 |
| javispedro | *sourcery | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | so http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7_1.0.16.1-8_amd64.deb should work right? | 20:02 |
| javispedro | yes | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | yay, Nokia's servers are giving me 600kb/s | 20:04 |
| * keithzg shall also miss the resistive screen of the N900, but them's the breaks | 20:04 | |
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| Shapeshifter | seems like I'm getting a backup n900 | 20:23 |
| Shapeshifter | someone's selling one for 200usd, 2 weeks old. | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe that'll motivate me to do some work for it. | 20:24 |
| mrdongle2 | way too cheap | 20:24 |
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| mrdongle2 | i could sell it for $400 in germany | 20:25 |
| ShadowJK | mrdongle2, even with english keyboard? | 20:25 |
| mrdongle2 | partly because of the engl keyboard | 20:25 |
| mrdongle2 | they are in short supply here | 20:25 |
| mrdongle2 | http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B003CZZ3JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309022776&sr=8-1 | 20:26 |
| mrdongle2 | used one going for $600 | 20:26 |
| Shapeshifter | mrdongle2: I know. It's some noob who is probably unhappy with it. | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | and nobody wants it. | 20:27 |
| mrdongle2 | congrats | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | well, at least where she's selling it | 20:27 |
| MoonTiger | if i wanted to have the sql reqd to create the database for my app included in the project can i just add it as "other file" and ref it from the app at runtime? | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page it should be pretty decent. | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | s/page/page states/ | 20:28 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page states it should be pretty decent. | 20:28 |
| MoonTiger | Shapeshifter, i got one from the US for $300 recently ... perfect condition | 20:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | well I'm not normally the type to hoard devices but considering it's so cheap... if I get something else, I can still sell it for the same price probably | 20:30 |
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| mrdongle2 | nokia could have saved money and put an omap3 in the E7, along with bigger battery | 20:36 |
| mrdongle2 | and had a high-end fone for harmattan | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | http://wiki.meego.com/images/SDcard_benchmarking_060611.jpg well that's not good yet. | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | nokia could not have hired elop. | 20:39 |
| mrdongle2 | Shapeshifter: some of those things shouldn't rely on SD card | 20:42 |
| mrdongle2 | bad chart | 20:42 |
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| GAN900 | MeeGo Manhattan | 20:44 |
| GAN900 | I'm in favor. | 20:44 |
| javispedro | success | 20:45 |
| javispedro | a paused SDL application that does not even appear in to | 20:45 |
| javispedro | p | 20:45 |
| javispedro | and it doesn't cause pulseaudio to consume the world's reserves of RAM | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | unpause it and pulse quickly goes up to 2% mem 20% cpu again | 20:45 |
| javispedro | GAN900: after hatterman there's nothing better. | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | i like it GAN900 | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but project_42 is more awesome for a name | 20:47 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | mrdongle2, pretty much everything needs I/O | 20:49 |
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| mrdongle2 | very nice javispedro | 20:53 |
| mrdongle2 | did u issue sigsusp | 20:53 |
| javispedro | no, that is cheating. | 20:53 |
| mrdongle2 | then you hacked sdl library? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | I am doing one based on Palm's changes to it | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | javispedro iz mad haccr | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | it also comes with neon-enhanced mixer and other niceties =) | 20:56 |
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| mrdongle2 | javispedro: do you plan to release it as a CSSU upgrade, or require SDL games to link explicitly to it | 21:02 |
| javispedro | latter | 21:02 |
| javispedro | it is not abi compatible. | 21:03 |
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| valdyn_ | I just reactivated my N900 and Nokias repositories arent working. Did anything change there? | 21:04 |
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| valdyn_ | ( maemo.org repos work fine.. ) | 21:05 |
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| valdyn_ | mm, guess its my router since this seems to be the only https repos | 21:07 |
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| ShadowJK | do you have proxy settings on your internet connection for n900? | 21:11 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm not saying you need it, but if you have settings fot http, but not https, it'd break | 21:12 |
| valdyn_ | nah, but my router transparently proxies just http, not https | 21:13 |
| valdyn_ | that in conjunction with this crap fonero wlan ap.. if repos did not change thats the only possible reason | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen jonwill | 21:49 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen jonwil | 21:49 |
| infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 50m 45s ago, saying: 'Resistive seems superior from where I sit'. | 21:49 |
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| haohui | hi folks | 21:57 |
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| haohui | I got a problem when I ran scons in scratchbox2 | 21:58 |
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| haohui | gcc exit with -11 when it was ran by scons, but it returned successfully when I executed it directly. | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ***yawn*** | 22:05 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, is someelse experiencing, when streaming his webcam to his computer via "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=800,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink" a rather yellowish tone to the stream? | 22:27 |
| mikki-kun | *anbody else --- sorry for the typo | 22:29 |
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| nid0 | cant say it's something i've tried | 22:32 |
| petteri | mikki-kun: yes, yellowish it is | 22:33 |
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| mikki-kun | petteri: hm, if the front-cam would give it's blue there it might turn out to be nicely colored (you can test it out just by switching /dev/video0 to /dev/video1 and the width to 640) | 22:34 |
| petteri | mikki-kun: sorry, I don't have my n900 here right now | 22:35 |
| cablop | i saw a chat software in a nokia 810 that i wanted to run on my ubuntu | 22:35 |
| cablop | sadly the name is "chat" | 22:35 |
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| cablop | pretty hard to help me to find it | 22:36 |
| mikki-kun | cablop: maybe search with terms regarding the protocols it had, maybe some bugs or trouble you know off and mix that up | 22:37 |
| mikki-kun | just "chat" is indeed pretty difficult to find :/ | 22:37 |
| cablop | i tried that also | 22:37 |
| cablop | to say chat msn or chat yahoo or chat whatever protocol will naturally throw me pidgin, live messenger, skype, | 22:38 |
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| cablop | i mean the official releases | 22:38 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lulz, i totally had a dream that i got a call about the n950 dev program and then they accepted me, and i was like woo, and then i had another dream that i thought the first thing was a dream but then discovered it was actually not. then i actually woke up, and we're at the present. :P | 22:40 |
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| rm_you | my life is apparently really boring, so that's the crap i dream about T_T | 22:41 |
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| javispedro | I though that you woke up and you were the president =) | 22:46 |
| foolish91 | hello | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, that sucks. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, well, it's no worse than dreaming about working the first half of the day then having to wake up and start over. | 22:52 |
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| rm_you | lol T_T | 22:59 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, regarding the yellowish stream the n900 throws... i don't know what happened, but it seems, that as soom as i started the camera app or the flashlight app and then retrying the colors got actually corrected | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/nokias-stephen-elop-is-still-over-meego-even-if-the-n9-is-a-hi/ | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy hell, 1010 comments. | 23:11 |
| wmarone | yes | 23:12 |
| wmarone | lots of back and forth | 23:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WP7 fans are bizarre. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're worse than iOS and Android fans. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least those guys have something to point to as a success. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | and at least Android has some room for contributors. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | WP7 are like Tegra fans. | 23:14 |
| wmarone | they are making the assumption that Microsoft = guaranteed success | 23:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which certainly hasn't proved correct in the mobile space so far. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | US consumers haven't forgotten Windows Mobile. | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | Microsoft always = success! | 23:16 |
| wmarone | I think MS is banking on most modern phone buyers being unaware that WM existed | 23:16 |
| ruskie | considering they are calling it 7 buyers will ask... what happened to 1-6 | 23:18 |
| wmarone | "oh it's just tied to windows 7" | 23:18 |
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| merlin1991 | lmao @ the current 2nd comment: "You're all idiots. WP7 is a lot more widespread of an OS than MeeGo" | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | wtf? | 23:20 |
| ruskie | merlin1991, well on a scale of 0 - 0 sure | 23:21 |
| ruskie | it's 0.0 instead of 0.00 | 23:21 |
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| kerio | there are probably more meego handset installs than wp7 installs | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | I see ruskie, you're toally right wp7 is the one and only ;) | 23:21 |
| ruskie | hehe | 23:22 |
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| foolish91 | can anyone here point me to a lively computer hardware chat? | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | foolish91, this channel is lively | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | everybody has fun chatting about their iphones and android devices here | 23:47 |
| foolish91 | ahh I was thinking more like talk about laptop / notebook spec | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | could some of you plese post here: the output of ># md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; plus what's your fiasco version you're using (international|US|...) and the version if not PR1.3 | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 23:49 |
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| foolish91 | I just got a sony c series, custom with i7, 6gb ram and 1gb amd graphics. You reckon this is a good set up for the next 2/3 years? | 23:50 |
| divan | why there is no curl binary for maemo? | 23:50 |
| Appiah | if there is none , no one made one | 23:51 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 pr1.3 international | 23:51 |
| merlin1991 | ah sry | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | 6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | terminal fail :D | 23:52 |
| ekce86_ | is there some smart command to check which applications who is installed in rootfs and which is installed in opt? | 23:52 |
| divan | I don't believe no one had ever need the curl on N900... | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yup, that's what I got here as well, now I'd be interested if somebody got some different hash | 23:52 |
| Appiah | there is libcurl and thats about enough :D | 23:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | foolish91 > ##hardware | 23:53 |
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| foolish91 | psycho_oreos: cheers | 23:53 |
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| nox- | DocScrutinizer, i got the same too (pr1.3 updated from 1.2 as shipped) | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody with USA fiasco willing to run md5sum? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: veersion? | 23:56 |
| nox- | where do i see that? | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, e.g under settings-about in the lengthy product number | 23:57 |
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| nox- | 20.2010.36-2 | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MR0 is international | 23:59 |
| nox- | yeah its mr0 | 23:59 |
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