IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-06-25

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FIQ|n900dragly, do you have the device or just loan it?00:15
FIQ|n900the N950 i mean00:17
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messertingMy N900 clock is constantly 2 minutes off. I have set "update automatically" in the clock settings. From where does it sync?00:26
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X-Fademesserting: gsm network.00:26
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angeloxHi all00:27
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angeloxinstalled kernel-power by running "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" on console and now Camera,Bluetooth and Lock Button doesn't work ...00:27
messertingX-Fade: Ok, so I should blame my provider. Hm, well, or live with those 2 minutes off..00:27
X-Fademesserting: Or just disable that. The clock is fairly stable.00:27
smharwill N9 allow the the use of multiple 'Desktops' like N900?00:28
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X-Fadesmhar: There are no desktops as such.00:29
X-Fadesmhar: no widgets00:29
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smharX-Fade, that sucks !!!!! why would they do that?!!00:29
messertingX-Fade: ah, good idea. But then I loose the automatic change when I travel abroad, right?00:30
X-Fademesserting: Yes, but you are aware of time changes then.00:30
X-Fademesserting: Or at least it is likely.00:30
messertingyep, true, I hope.. :)00:30
DocScrutinizermesserting: you also can go for ntpd00:31
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messertingDocScrutinizer: yes - easy to setup?00:31
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: If you want to kill battery life :)00:31
DocScrutinizermesserting: just if you got frequent connectivity00:31
angeloxsome idea?00:32
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: yeah, I don't think ntpd is particularly suited for mobile with random connectivity00:32
messertingDocScrutinizer: pretty frequent, at least once a day.00:32
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: And it prevents the device from sleeping.00:32
DocScrutinizermesserting: you could used the ntpd parameter equivalent to the meanwhile binned ntpdate/ntptime00:33
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messertingprevents from sleeping? err, doesn't sound good00:33
DocScrutinizerthe best use it each time you set up connection, via a hook in ifup or sth00:33
DocScrutinizermesserting: yes, ntpd doesn't care about cpu and network usage00:34
X-FadeOr just set your time every time you travel.00:34
X-Fade2 seconds work vs a lot more to set it up properly :)00:34
messertingOk, will see how stable the local clock is, and try to remember to change time on travel00:34
X-FadeFight the right battles.00:34
messertingthanks for the input. Will go back and read about the weird N9 news...00:35
rm_youweird n9 news?00:35
DocScrutinizermesserting: but honestly, I think calling ntpd once every hour or twice a day, to adjust your sysclock and hw-clock is best and most simple00:35
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messertingDocScrutinizer: agreed, will look into it. Is there a step-by-step wiki available..?00:36
DocScrutinizermesserting: you might want to have a look at alarmed app00:36
DocScrutinizerideal for such cron-like scheduling00:36
messertingrm_you: yes, weird: "meego is dead, wp7 is the future, developer only n950 phone, oh, and a meego N9 (not really meego, but maemo 5)"00:37
messertingDocScrutinizer: ok, will do00:37
rm_youso, the original news from a few days ago. k :P00:37
DocScrutinizerntpd -q00:37
rm_youwas afraid i missed something crazt00:37
DocScrutinizertwice a day00:37
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messertingrm_you: eh, yep, I should have said "old news" :)00:38
DocScrutinizerdisable GSM sync, if your carrier is flaky00:38
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messertingDocScrutinizer: ok, thanks :)00:38
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angelox|laptopI'm back with the same question: I installed kernel-power by running "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" and now Camera,Bluetooth and lock button doesn't work...i installed kernel-power correctly ?00:40
DocScrutinizerdon't miss on hwclock --systohc --noadjfile immediately after successfull invocation00:40
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DocScrutinizermesserting: ^00:40
DocScrutinizeractulally hwclock --systohc --noadjfile --utc  afaik00:41
DocScrutinizerso: ntpd -q && hwclock --systohc --noadjfile --utc  afaik00:41
DocScrutinizermight have "typos", so please check00:42
merlin1991hm anybody else not able to run qt-creator under ubuntu lucid?00:42
merlin1991(talking about the one from the repos)00:42
messertingDocScrutinizer: ok, thanks - is it "openntpd" package I need to install?00:42
DocScrutinizerI think yes00:42
DocScrutinizermake sure ntpd isn't linked in to system init when installing it, though00:43
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DocScrutinizeryou don't want to have ntpd running daemonized all the time, as X-Fade mentioned above00:45
DocScrutinizermesserting: may I as who's your GSM carrier?00:46
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messertingDocScrutinizer: Norwegian carrier, I think it is Netcom (my subscription is to another company, using that network)00:49
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DocScrutinizerthat might explain it00:50
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messertingDocScrutinizer: Ok, so I installed openntpd and is started ntpd. Should I remove a symlink in /etc/init... or something, right?00:51
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DocScrutinizeriirc the time message via GSM has a really weird format, and also some unexpected bits. And if you maybe are forwarded to another host or sth... dunno00:51
DocScrutinizermesserting: (init) yes00:52
messertingDocScrutinizer: the "ntpd" that comes with openntpd doesn't support the -q flag...00:52
DocScrutinizerso maybe it still has ntpdate or ntptime or sth like that as separate command00:53
messertingDocScrutinizer: Hm, only ntp* command is ntpd (according to tab completion)00:54
DocScrutinizerfrom ntpd manpage: >> -q      Exit  the ntpd  just after the first time the clock is set. This behavior mimics that of the ntpdate  pro-               gram, which is to be retired. The -g  and -x  options can be used with this option.00:54
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ShadowJKopenntpd is openbsd's replacement to "real" ntpd. It's far less advanced00:56
DocScrutinizerso why we got an openntpd pkg instead of the "real" good stuff00:56
messertingWell, I'm removing openntpd now. will rely on the internal clock.00:56
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vi__did you guys get that?01:03
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jogathe s?01:04
vi__DocScrutinizer: did you get what i just wrote or did my damn connect crap out again?01:04
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-25 00:03:10] <vi__> s01:04
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-25 00:03:19] <vi__> did you guys get that?01:04
DocScrutinizerthat's all01:04
NIN101I saw a discussion about this "asked for lock code after reflash thing" here recently and maybe this information could be useful somehow for somebody: I just flashed roofs and I was asked for it...01:05
vi__here goes again01:05
vi__MohammadAG: yo01:05
vi__I saw your enhanced lock and almost backflipped with joy.  You asked for 'suggestions'.  If I may be so bold, I suggest a major enhancement would be an option of unlocking with double click of power button.01:05
DocScrutinizerNIN101: it been enabled before you flashed?01:05
vi__i.e. double click already locks the screen.01:05
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vi__current I press power once while the screen is locked and it shows the 'lock' screen.01:06
DocScrutinizerNIN101: thanks for reporting01:06
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vi__add an option that allows me to press power button once on lock screen to unlock.01:06
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vi__tl;dr, map power button to 'unlock' phone on lock screen.01:06
vi__thank you for your time and effort.01:07
vi__I O U 1 BEER01:07
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG doesn't enjoy beer ;-)01:08
MohammadAGwho said so? :P01:08
MohammadAGdouble press to unlock? completely doable01:08
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vi__MohammadAG: i know!01:09
ShadowJKis N9 using accelerometer or ts to do it?01:09
ShadowJKproximity for sure01:09
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DocScrutinizerdo what?01:09
vi__that sucks01:09
ShadowJKdouble-tap unlock01:10
vi__you have to keep ts on all the time01:10
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vi__what is the quiescent current of a crapacitiv ts?01:10
DocScrutinizergood question, sane concept uses lis302 as touchscreen probably has no doubleclick detect01:10
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DocScrutinizerif they have lis302 or similar01:11
DocScrutinizerplus correct hw IRQ line01:11
ShadowJKon the order of uA I'd think01:11
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ShadowJKdoes N900 have irq line?01:11
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you're, as usual, being optimistic!01:11
DocScrutinizereven 2 ;-D01:12
javispedro"worse is good"01:12
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DocScrutinizerbtw N900 has r-ts which doesn't need any power on idle, and also creates irq - usually01:12
DocScrutinizerno doubleclick detect though01:13
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DocScrutinizerso you always wake cpu when device is in your pocket while jogging01:13
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DocScrutinizerthat's why you completely lock the screen01:14
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MohammadAGShadowJK, double tap afaik01:15
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, from description of N9, it seems it ignores double-tap if it's in pocket (proximity sensor?)01:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got any pointers to the driver's name?01:15
DocScrutinizerwhich one?01:16
DocScrutinizerN9 touchscreen?01:16
DocScrutinizermight be interesting01:16
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DocScrutinizerI've seen something, darn, I forgot01:17
DocScrutinizersomebody string'ed the image01:17
SpeedEvilInteresting 'next sensor in phone' - that's being pushed - I have a sample of a 1.6mm*1.6mm I2C temperature sensor - $1.5@1K01:18
ShadowJK"next sensor"?01:18
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DocScrutinizernon-contact means distance?01:18
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SpeedEvilAll in a nice easy to use package.01:19
SpeedEvilTI (which now seems down)01:19
DocScrutinizercool, thermometer for detecting flu ;-P01:19
SpeedEvilI guess for face sensing01:19
vi__MohammadAG: also some bro suggested the status bar could be visable in task manager screen.01:19
javispedroDocScrutinizer: cool indeed01:19
vi__food for thought01:19
DocScrutinizerseem that contactless swipe sensor?01:19
javispedroknow your phone will report you to the WHO directly01:20
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* ShadowJK has a "normal" non-IR i2c temp sensor with 0.0625C resolution that can tell the difference between human moving within 2m and human moving away from within 2m01:20
ShadowJKAtleast when the readings are interpreted by human staring at gnuplot :P01:21
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DocScrutinizera touchless thermometer of sufficient precision could indeed become a nice gimmick01:22
ShadowJKI want one with <10 degree FOV01:23
SpeedEvilShadowJK: I want a hundred pixel one01:23
ShadowJKyeah or that01:23
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SpeedEvilYou can put a hole in front of it.01:24
ShadowJKBut I decided that actual arrays are too expensive01:24
SpeedEvilOf course01:24
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ShadowJKthough I've seen a 6 pixel one that was kinda affordable01:24
SpeedEvilThere are some awesome thermal cameras out there.01:24
Shapeshiftera 6 pixel what?01:24
* DocScrutinizer ponders contraception app01:25
ShadowJKShapeshifter, 6 pixel infrared temperature sensor01:25
ShadowJKbasically 6 IR sensors in one package, with 90 deg vertical and something smaller than 90 deg field-of-view in the other direction01:26
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cehteh.. and detecting the polarization of the IR ...01:27
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cehtehdunno whats that good for, but someone will find out :P01:27
ShadowJKI've seen people mount them on servos to pan&scan, building up a crude image01:27
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DocScrutinizerRING RIIINNGG... "Hello?" "Good morning, this is your contraception app, please keep the phone at your ear until the beep ends! Beeeeeeeeeeeep"01:31
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javispedroit gives you brain cancer because it forces you to stare at the phone for years?01:34
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smharcan I use latest maemo in N810 device?01:37
ShadowJKMaemo5? no01:37
MohammadAGThere was Mer, and then came MeeGo01:38
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DocScrutinizerand meego's chances to ever get on N8x0 are... :-S01:39
javispedrooh, it's already there01:39
javispedroit of course depends on your definition of meego.01:39
MohammadAGMer seemed like a better candidate for the N8x001:41
ShadowJKWould be probably more sensible to try do a meego core + xfce onto N8x001:41
mrdonglean updated n810 would be great01:41
Atariiwoop, just bought an N900, any good starting points?01:41
mrdonglecongrats Atarii01:42
Atariithanks :)01:42
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mrdonglefor learning about the device ?01:42
Atariiyea, I had a 770 a while back, so just need a refresher really. internettablettalk still good?01:43
mrdongleless good than in the 770 days01:43
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javispedrotouché =)01:44
ds3anyone betting on how long the N9/N950 will remain on the market?01:44
mrdonglei remember people actually talking bout linuxy stuff on itt01:44
Atariianyone used the modified injection enabled N900 drivers?01:44
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smharNo one can ever predict Nokia. but from the little I know about N9/N950, they are definitely less good that N90001:46
cehtehgood is subjective .. they have few advantages (and also some disadvantages)01:47
mrdonglemicrosoft is a cancer01:48
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* cehteh thinks 1GB ram is finally sufficient01:48
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javispedrosufficient for yesterday's handheld!01:48
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cehtehheh well you can max that out for sure01:49
cehtehbut the 256MB on the n900 are maxed out when booted ...01:49
javispedroI do have to admit that it looks like one of the largest values in a handheld01:49
derfThe N900 was certainly less good than the N810.01:49
cehtehi have constantly around 200MB in swap01:49
javispedroand that it's nice to see someone giving importance to RAM instead of more clock speed.01:50
cehtehso 1GB means no swapping and still some headroom for more demanding apps01:50
javispedromore interesting, large cache!01:50
mrdonglethe cache size is larger than n900?01:51
derfI'm sure the memory bandwidth will still be terrible.01:51
cehtehderf: compared to flash bandwidth? :)01:51
derfMaybe not _that_ terrible.01:51
javispedroderf: it is the same01:51
cehtehi have no idea how much the memory bandwidth is .. but mmc/sd is terribly in sense of bandwidth and moreover latency/tps01:52
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cehtehthe n9 with certainly peform 3 times better with the same workload than the n90001:53
javispedrono way =)01:53
SpeedEvilBut it's not got the same workload01:53
cehtehhey my n900 is constantly sapping01:53
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ds3add more memory01:54
* SpeedEvil pondered that.01:54
SpeedEvilI can't find anyone who will ship the memory01:54
ds3SpeedEvil: what size and how many do you need?01:54
cehtehhey and wait until people find out how to overclock it to 2GHZ :P01:54
SpeedEvilds3: 168 ball for POP 512M01:54
ds3SpeedEvil: for the OMAP3530 POP right?01:55
ds3SpeedEvil: if I get the memory, can you do the bootloader work to support it?01:55
cehtehheh .. desoldering the omap isnt hard enough .. lets repackage it :)01:55
Hurrianwhich reminds me. where's the RAM on the N900?\01:55
ds3desoldering the OMAP is trivial01:55
Hurrianis it inside the SOC?01:55
cehtehHurrian: yes01:55
SpeedEvilHurrian: No - it's soldered on the top01:55
ds3Hurrian: it is on TOP of the SoC01:55
cehtehwell that counts as yes, somewhat :)01:56
Hurrianthe fffffffffffffff, nokia meant it literally?01:56
ds3SpeedEvil: I should be able to get the memory, I just don't have time to do the SW work for it01:56
Hurrian"the system memory and onenand are ontop of the omap3 AP"01:56
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ds3Is the N900 OneNAND?01:56
ds3Ohhh it is a samsung part01:57
SpeedEvilThe easiest way to do it is probably to get a new SOC (a 720MHz one) , and in a nitrogen atmosphere reflow the POP RAM on top of it01:57
SpeedEvilthen reflow this onto the board with hot air and plenty of preheat underneath01:57
ds3I can get the part replaced... got one done as a test job already01:57
cehtehyes something i do daily in my kitchen :P01:57
Hurrianspeedevil, in before loads of people order omap3530 samples ;)01:57
SpeedEvilI haven't investigated the bootloader hacking required to get it working.01:57
ds3is the N900 using the secure feature of the 3430?01:57
SpeedEvilYou can't sample it01:57
Hurrianspeedevil, i got one from TI01:58
ds3SpeedEvil: you need to get x-loader to properly configure the memory01:58
SpeedEvilds3: Doesn't really matter - once you solder on your own 3530 - you pretty much own it.01:58
ds3the ones I can get are plain NAND though so you'll need to redo a few drivers01:58
SpeedEvilAnd yes.01:58
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SpeedEvilUmm - plain NAND won't work so well.01:58
SpeedEvilMost software needs RAM.01:58
Hurriands3, there's a tiny ROM inside the OMAP3 that downloads code from USB interface01:58
ds3no no...there are some minor funny business with the 3430 part that is disabled/unsupported on the 3530 part01:58
ds3what's wrong with plain NAND?01:59
SpeedEvilds3: The chip is ROM+RAM01:59
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ds3SpeedEvil: no no, you misunderstood - I mean I can get RAM + NAND. I was just told the current part is RAM + OneNAND (samsung)01:59
ds3I can even get RAM only01:59
Hurrianoh, now i know what those pads on top of the 3530 are for01:59
SpeedEvilAlas - it's an idle rumination.01:59
ds3but then you need to mod the board to boot off the eMMC02:00
SpeedEvilds3: Even given the parts, and the tools, I'm unlikely to have the time to omplete it.02:00
Hurriands3, can be done in NOLO02:00
SpeedEvil(actually - I probably have the tools)02:00
ds3SpeedEvil: ah :( oh well...02:00
ds3I just did basically that on the BB02:00
SpeedEvilThough nitrogen reflow would be nice.02:00
ds3Hurrian: but no sources for the NOLO...makes it harder02:00
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Hurrianall we have to do is just feed NOLO a complete EMMC image and flash some other bootloader02:01
SpeedEvilds3: Well - yes - and no.02:01
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Hurrianexactly what does nolo do?02:01
SpeedEvilds3: It's just a 'normal' bootloader then - no need to put nonlo bak on02:01
Hurrianrun the kernel image and display splash?02:01
ds3Hurrian: no, there are sysboot pins that may need to be reconfigured so the processor will pull the boot data off the eMMC instead of the NAND02:01
Hurriands3, ah, sorry, dont know much about ARM boot process02:02
ds3is the eMMC on MMC1?02:02
SpeedEvilds3: yes02:02
SpeedEvilI don't recall which is which actually02:02
Hurrianspeedevil, mmc1 should be right02:02
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Hurrianmaemo 5/nolo does something to change around the names02:02
ds3Hmmm so Nokia put in extra parts for the uSD slot?02:02
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ds3MMC1 can operate natively on 3.x volt... MMC2/MMC3 are 1.8V only so they require extra parts for an external slot02:03
Hurriands3, yes, they just put in a uSD slot despite the N900 having a massive 32GB02:03
SpeedEvilmmcblk0 is emmc02:04
SpeedEvilBut if that means it's mmc002:04
SpeedEvilOh - beagleboard02:04
ds3BB == beagleboard02:04
SpeedEvilI don't recall any extra parts along the SD wiring other than ESD protection02:04
SpeedEvilThere are _lots_ of ESD protection02:04
Hurriands3, think you can add another SD slot?02:04
ds3I suspect they are using software trickery02:04
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ds3Hurrian: nope...that requires a new PCB02:05
SpeedEvilHurrian: Sure. Unsolder the EMMC02:05
ds3memory is easy to do02:05
SpeedEvilAnd maybe a teeny amount of software tweaks02:05
SpeedEvilIn principle you can just do a SDIO card expander02:05
SpeedEvilSDIO->7 microSD02:05
ds3that should just work assuming there is enough power02:06
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angeloxCan someone help me?02:06
SpeedEvilangelox: Do you require CPR?.02:06
angeloxsorry,cpr ?02:07
SpeedEvilIt might be a good idea if you ask your question.02:07
SpeedEvilOtherwise it's kinda hard to tell. Sorry.02:07
angeloxI installed kernel-power and my camera,bluetooth and lock button doesn't work correctly now02:07
angeloxuname -r:
cehtehthats strange, works for me02:09
* merlin1991 starts to hate the twitter api02:09
cehtehinstalled anything else? .. rebooted?02:09
angeloxinstalled with "apt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg" nothing else..rebooted 4 times02:10
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angeloxremembering that my phone is flashed with rootfs and kernel from PR 1.3,nothing else...02:13
* angelox sings "Help...i need somebody, Help...."02:18
cehtehhehe .. no idea02:20
angeloxshould i flash my phone with all parts(not only kernel and rootfs) ?02:20
cehtehwell using apt-get directly can have some bad sideffects02:20
cehtehrun a ham update and see if it fixes anything02:21
cehtehwell and what exactly is wrong?02:21
angeloxbluetooth gives me errors,camera too and lock button simply doesn't do anything02:21
cehtehwhat errors02:21
cehtehtry to reinstall the kernel with HAM02:22
cehtehprolly some dependency/module not installed? no idea02:22
angeloxfail in operation (translated from my language, don't know if that's correct)02:22
cehtehwhat tells dmesg?02:22
angeloxham? command not found02:22
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bindihildon application manager02:23
cehtehhildon application manager .. the slow gui thing02:23
angeloxahh ok,that i know :)02:23
cehtehat least once in a while and for critical updates you should use it02:23
cehtehit sprinkles some fairy dust over apt02:23
angeloxjust to say,i'm running a modified kernel,with kexecboot at the power up...i configured it to use that kernel when i boot maemo02:24
cehtehkexec? .. i didnt even known that thats supported on the device02:24
cehtehdisable kexec, do a cold rebot02:24
angeloxflashing original kernel works,but if i flash original kernel,and install kernel-power the problem is there too02:25
angeloxkexec works in all of my friend's phones..only on my one no :(02:25
* angelox thinks that his n900 doesn't love his owner 02:26
cehtehi never tried kexec02:26
cehtehdisable it and see02:26
angeloxdisable = flash original kernel02:26
cehtehthat may be well the cause, missing to initialize some hardware, keep some stale registers whatever02:26
cehtehno .. just no kexec02:27
cehtehi have power-47 too but no kexec02:27
cehtehi didnt even know its ported and in the repositories02:27
angeloxapt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher02:27
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angeloxi'll try it ok?02:27
Hurriankexec would be in kexec-tools, and requires kernel-power02:27
cehtehdisable kexec and do a cold reboot i saied .. is that so hard?02:27
Hurrianand angelox, the system is probably not seeing the gpio's02:28
angeloxHurrian,maybe,but my friends use the same zImage as mine and work for they02:28
cehtehcold reboot == remove battery02:28
angeloxcehteh: Cold reboot?02:28
angeloxah ok02:28
cehteh(after turning it off)02:28
cehtehand no charger/usb connected02:28
angeloxhow to disable kexec,i only know do it doing "apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher"02:29
GAN900Texrat, silly Astros and their lame timezone.02:29
cehtehhow did you installed kexec?02:29
cehtehits for sure not default02:29
angeloxcehteh: flashing a modified kernel,that haves it02:29
angeloxbtw,i'm not using kexec sorry,it's kexecboot02:29
angeloxso it goes into kernel iirc02:30
cehtehyou know what kexec is?02:30
cehtehwell i cant even find kexec-tools in the repositories02:30
angeloxbut kexecboot is a bit different isn't?02:30
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angeloxbecause that's compiled by SHR group...02:31
angeloxthat isn't on the repositories02:31
cehtehi dont know it?02:31
cehtehwtf kernel do you use there02:31
angeloxi can give you the link of that02:31
angeloxbtw,sorry for saying something wrong,i'm a lot confused with that too (newbie in bootloaders...)02:32
angeloxso i asked,should i coldflash my N900 to do everything correctly now?02:33
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cehtehthere is a power-47 in some of the community repos (extras-devel? lemme check)02:35
cehtehif you install some non working kernel for somewhere else then dont be surprised ... even the normal power kernel comes with no warranty :P02:35
angeloxyou didn't understood02:38
infobotangelox meant: you didn't understand02:38
cehtehwell ... i dont care about your problems, i am running the power-47 kernel without problems02:38
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angeloxok,so should i coldflash my phone?02:38
angeloxand install power-47 kernel02:39
cehtehjust deinstall the 3rd party kernel you currently have installed and go back to the stock nokia kernel02:39
cehtehand then check if anything works02:40
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angeloxeverything will work02:40
cehtehso why do you need the power-47 kernel then?02:40
cehtehwell and then from where did you get it?02:41
angeloxto use kexec feature02:41
angeloxi get it by that command i said02:41
angeloxapt-get install kernel-power-settings kernel-power-bootimg02:41
cehtehfor what do you need kexec?02:41
angeloxi'm a embedded developer,and i help to develop SHR(or at least,i try) and i need 2 distributions on my phone02:42
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cehtehwell no idea why your phone doesnt work with the power kernel02:43
angeloxsee,i'm now with stock nokia kernel02:43
cehtehfigure that out .. dmesg etc02:43
angeloxcan you give me the correct steps to install power kernel ?02:43
angeloxi'll try again if you can help me02:43
cehtehuse HAM02:43
angeloxusing extras-devel ?02:44
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cehtehextras-testing maybe i dont know which repo02:44
cehtehyes the page i pasted above tells -testing02:44
cehtehread it02:44
cehtehHave you problem with bluetooth on v47 and not on v46? See this:02:45
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angeloxthank you,i installed with -devel so that could be the problem...02:46
angeloxbtw,invalid link02:46
cehtehwell read yourself02:47
cehtehi am out02:47
angeloxok,thanks by all02:47
javispedroeven the clock app reminds of the webos02:53
javispedrowhich I guess is nice, cause I was having impure thoughts about the webos UI...02:53
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javispedro"some implementations of pulseaudio have a difficult time dealign with non-44k frequencies" hmm03:05
GeneralAntillesThere's a ball player called Wandy Rodriguez.03:07
GeneralAntillesI'm pretty sure pronouncing it as "Wand-y" is incorrect.03:08
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mrdonglei would donate to a faster pulseaudio project03:10
ShadowJKI have to admit, pulseaudio works pretty darn well on N90003:10
ShadowJKcompared to like meego03:11
* ShadowJK started his midsummer holiday with fixing a Vista computer, then loading MeeGo on his spare N90003:11
javispedroNokia just said that launchpad n950 application deadline is july 31st03:13
ShadowJKlaunchpad = you're a company?03:13
javispedrotechnically there's launchpad for individuals03:13
javispedrobut for some reason they hate me03:13
* ShadowJK wonders if he can create a company before 31st next month03:14
GeneralAntillesJuly 31st to give away 92,000k?03:14
ShadowJKMy outside-actual-job activities last year and this year will have volume taking me close to the point where I have to03:14
javispedrocause I've been waiting since early this year to get mine approved and yet doc got his application approved on a single overnight03:14
GeneralAntillesEmail support03:14
javispedrodid yesterday, no answer yet03:15
ShadowJKdoc got his approved?03:15
GeneralAntillesThe bastard.03:15
javispedrothe one where according to himself he put "blablabla", yes.03:15
javispedro_literally_ blablabla03:15
javispedroeh, DocScrutinizer? ;)03:15
ShadowJKI thought 6 hours ago he was complaining that he has nothing else than "blablabla" to put there and had no possibility of getting approved03:16
GeneralAntillesOh, DocScrutinizer.03:16
GeneralAntillesYou so silly.03:16
javispedroI hereby swear that if ever get the change to edit my 400+ words application, i will delete them all and put "blablabla".03:17
ShadowJKI guess konttori bought a few badgers, coals, sausages and mustard for the Nokians deciding on device approval :P03:17
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ShadowJKOnly finns will know why a badger would be beneficial ;P03:19
javispedrofunnily enough, gmail-googling I found an email from nokia launchpad apologizing for the delay processing my application... sent on MARCH03:20
javispedro"If you have a contact within Forum Nokia, [...], please contact that person in order to expedite the reviewing of your membership application."03:20
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javispedrooh, I get how this works.03:20
javispedrowhere are those badgers and sausages?03:20
ShadowJKnepotism :)03:21
ShadowJKIt's how I'd rule if I ruled the world03:21
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javispedrowikipedia, you always surprise me.03:22
javispedrothe Nepotism article has a _list of examples_03:22
javispedroby country.03:22
ShadowJKWouldn't you want wiktionary or something03:22
javispedroand miss the list of spaniard nepotism examples? noway!03:23
Hurrianokay, how's that for a lock screen?03:23
ShadowJKI was impressed by Meego N900 CE's lock screen03:23
Hurrianshadowjk, the drag to lock one?03:24
ShadowJKboth impressed and frustrated03:24
Hurrianit was slow on mine for some reason03:24
Hurriancool nonetheless03:24
ShadowJKfrustrated because it appeared randomly, impressed by the drag key of unlocking and place key in the lock03:24
Hurrianoh yeah, the random appearances03:25
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Hurriantis derpy03:25
ShadowJKOh, every animation, every transition are just silk smooth for me03:25
ShadowJKatleast when I compare to Maemo503:25
ShadowJKFirst thing I noticed, apps take fucking ages to appear, but you can swipe menus with silk smoothness while waiting :P03:25
Hurrianshadowjk, settings is probably the worst offender03:26
Hurrianholy fuck is the settings app slow03:26
ShadowJKIt just seems mostly broken to me03:26
ShadowJK"clocks" and calendar took much longer to start than settings03:27
javispedro~seen pupnik03:27
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infobotpupnik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 14h 55m 43s ago, saying: 'o/'.03:27
ShadowJKAwesomeness: zypper install gcc make03:27
ShadowJKiostat shows about 1.5Mbyte/s of reads while apps are loading, at an average latency/wait of 5ms, but there are 20kbyte/s of writes, at an average latency of 500ms03:28
ShadowJKThe problem with flash :/03:28
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MohammadAGjavispedro, haven't seen him anywhere lately03:30
javispedroyep :S03:30
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Hurrianit's sexy time03:35
HurrianMohammadAG , what do you think of my proposed lock screens?03:35
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MohammadAGSexy indeed, where do the media controls go? :P03:37
Hurrianwait, i have a screen with that03:37
ShadowJKbeford, no, harmattan has always-on screen or something, benefit of oled03:38
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befordoh, that's new for me, enhaced lockscreen, does it work landscape/portrait?03:38
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ShadowJKI think it's mockup03:40
befordyes, I'm reading the post now heh03:40
Hurrianwhat are we talking about, MAG's app or my mockups?03:41
Hurriananyways, in my mockups i made sure that you can use it with one hand, the controls being available to your hands either in one side or on all sides03:42
befordyour mockups for MohammadAG app :P03:42
Hurriananyone like it?03:42
Hurriananyways, a portrait unlock screen would likely look a lot like the iPhone's unlock screen03:43
merlin1991Hurrian: where did you get that wallpaper from / is it available?03:43
Hurrianmerlin1991: wallbase.cc03:43
ShadowJKYeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome03:43
befordlooks nice Hurrian03:44
HurrianMohammadAG , if you'd like a slider instead of a tap-to-unlock, i can design that too03:44
merlin1991hm the tagcloud on, I guess the main users are male03:45
merlin1991Hurrian: I think there should be some sort of border between the "title bar" time & date and the mafw controls03:48
merlin1991also whatabout fading the notification area a lil towards the edge?03:49
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Hurrianah, ok03:51
Hurriani think the mafw controls will be fine as the date+time bar shouldn't respond to taps03:51
Hurrianhowever, double tapping on the mafw bar (except for the play/pause prev/next area) will unlock and open the media player03:52
ShadowJKSo my use case is this: At work I am frequently in a high-noise environment. I have professional hearing protection cups, with audio-input. I often connect N900 to audio-input. When someone wants to talk to me, I either press volume-down on N900 often enough to mute, or rip out the cable. Would be cool to be able to pause it quickly :-)03:54
Hurrianshadowjk, i wanted something like hold+ on my psp - you can control the music even when it's locked03:55
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Hurrianprobably the solution would be in the camera button03:55
Hurriana full press maybe03:56
Hurrianwhen lock03:56
javispedroShadowJK: "headphone daemon"?03:56
javispedroor bus daemon or whatever it was called03:56
Hurrianmerlin1991 :
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MohammadAG<ShadowJK> Yeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome04:00
ShadowJKactually I should get some avrcp thing04:00
HurrianMohammadAG : not very viewable without a dark overlay on the background ;)04:01
MohammadAGHurrian, a sliding design would be interesting :)04:01
Hurriansure, coming right up :)04:01
MohammadAGk, let's try a quick mockup04:04
MohammadAGlet's try this :D04:08
HurrianMohammadAG : done the slider mockup :)04:08
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* MohammadAG ponders how to implement that slide to unlock04:19
HurrianMAG :)04:19
Hurriannow, can you custom-style the unlock button?04:19
Hurriani think it would look better if it was flat black and translucent04:20
MohammadAGfamiliar with Qt Stylesheets?04:20
Hurrianuhh, nope04:20
MohammadAGor at least the colours04:20
Hurriani know jack about the following: CSS, JS, C, C++, Python04:20
MohammadAGthat's just background-color: rgba(100, 100, 100, 150) in the pic04:20
MohammadAGsurely you know the colours you want :p04:21
HurrianMAG, shouldn't it be 0,0,0,20004:21
Hurrianblack + translucency04:21
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Hurrianon a side note, hmm, i wonder how you'll implement the slide04:22
Hurriani guess the slide position corresponds to a number, say 9000, and when the slide gets to 9000, it sends the unlock command04:23
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MohammadAGwell, I don't think I can style the stock Qt slider04:23
Hurrianhmm, and the slide position should only increment/decrement by 1, so that you don't just press the words "slide to unlock" and it'll unlock04:24
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HurrianMAG, would this help?
MohammadAGis that the colour you wanted?04:26
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Hurrianwhee cssu maemo16 push here we gogogo!04:27
MohammadAGnah, the lockscreen stays outside the CSSU since we can install it from extras04:28
MohammadAGshould I make the top colour solid or should I keep it as a gradient?04:29
Hurrianyou know, like the top and bottom boxes in a movie ;)04:29
Hurrianso yeah, make it like the bottom04:29
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MohammadAGbackground: qlineargradient(spread:pad, x1:0.011, y1:0, x2:0, y2:1, stop:0 rgba(0, 0, 0, 255), stop:1 rgba(36, 36, 36, 0))04:30
javispedrothe CSS abuse from qt is spectacular04:31
javispedrostill, I guess there's a long way until we get to the "filter: progid:RandomMicrosoftCrap.DirectX.Transform(morecrap)"04:33
MohammadAGhmm, the button turned out darker for some reason04:34
HurrianMohammadAG , which button, the MAFW controls?04:34
Hurriani mean the MAFW Now Playing aread?04:35
MohammadAGno, sec04:35
Hurrianand both are rgba(0,0,0,200) right?04:36
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Hurrianthat's... odd04:36
MohammadAGsilly me04:37
MohammadAGone's 100 and the other is 20004:37
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Hurrianbetter :) planning on adding the padding to the top?04:41
Hurrianit shouldn't be that close to the screen edge04:41
MohammadAGthought about it, but the bezel on the N900 makes it look good :P04:42
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MohammadAGlemme up a binary04:43
MohammadAGignore the 1MB size, it's cause I didn't remove the old wallpaper04:44
the_lordMohammadAG: any chance to help me with my camera-app not letting me use the internal memory?04:44
MohammadAGdid you ask in nicolai's thread?04:45
MohammadAGHurrian, the lockscreen reminds me of Harmattan for some reason04:47
Hurrianthat's odd, i've never seen harmattan's lockscreen before04:47
MohammadAGprobably cause of this
Hurrianisn't that meego's home screen?04:48
MohammadAGyeah, but they look similar04:48
MohammadAGthat was probably Harmattan 0.104:48
the_lordMohammadAG: which thread?04:49
Hurriannow MAG, time to implement the message count?04:49
MohammadAGHurrian, no idea how tbh :p04:49
MohammadAGHurrian, got the slider handle?04:49
Hurrianwait, lemme get it out of photoshop04:49
MohammadAGthe_lord, sec04:50
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MohammadAGdid you try the binary btw?04:51
Hurriannyet, lemme dl and run it04:52
Hurrianthat's cool04:53
Hurrianhowever, i have no song playing and it just says unknown song unknown artist04:54
the_lordMohammadAG: let me see04:54
Hurrianthat bar should be hidden when there's no song playing04:54
Hurriannice unlock animation BTW04:55
mrdonglefinally cell phones can translate text in your enviroment:
HurrianMAFW controls are working properly, that's a plus04:56
HurrianMAG, all you need to do now is custom-style the buttons04:57
Hurrianwhen i press them, the GTK buttons appear and it's ugly04:57
Hurriansomething like this i guess04:59
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MohammadAGHurrian, mind looking at /usr/share/themes/alpha/mediaplayer?05:07
MohammadAGsee if you can make a pause icon similar to the prev/next icons05:07
mrdongleLULZSEC: "If President Obama wears a shoe on his head throughout the entirety of his next big speech, we will cease fire on all targets forever."05:09
MohammadAGHurrian, slider done, you can pull in the latest binary05:13
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mrdonglethe joke has an error though05:13
mrdonglesince there's no guarantee that any person or group will never do anything in the name of 'lulzsec'05:13
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HurrianMAG: slider works, not very smooth though, and you still need to put in the fading text05:15
MohammadAGHurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/05:16
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mrdongle   makeup that fools face recognition systems05:17
lolcatmrdongle: It is a guy in #mtgox trolling with the name lulzecuriti05:17
lolcator smthing05:17
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HurrianMohammadAG : remade the pause icon05:19
MohammadAGthanks Hurrian05:20
Hurrianhey MAG, the slider doesn't go back to the start should you stop dragging it ;P05:21
Hurrianoh, and the slider generally lags behind the finger, you may want to work on that first05:22
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> Hurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/05:22
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the_lordMohammadAG: nope, nothing there to fix my problem, it's only with the internal memory05:23
MohammadAGHurrian, can you do the same to the play button?05:25
HurrianMohammadAG , what's a QT tickInterval wrt qslider?05:27
Hurriansee the last post on qtcentre, might help05:28
MohammadAGHurrian, the ticks under each value05:29
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HurrianMohammadAG :
Hurrianthat's the play button05:32
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Hurrianquoting warhawk007 on TMO: Is it possible to hide the "Now Playing" notification when Media Player is closed and reappear only when Media Player is open? This would add a more polished look. Just my humble opinion.05:36
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MohammadAGMAFW can run in the background without the mediaplayer05:40
Hurrianhide it when it can't see any song then, e.g. right after you start up so it wont show unknown song unknown artist05:43
MohammadAGI'll check if there's a renderer in the next version05:46
MohammadAGgotta hit the sack for now :p05:50
Hurriansince a lot of people are asking for a big clock, there it is05:56
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mrdonglei would like that background06:09
mrdongleone of the best songs of the 80s06:10
mrdongleso far ahead of its time06:10
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mrdongle  download this06:21
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RST38hTouching: Everest Climber Discovers Missing Friend Preserved in Ice07:26
Hurrianthat's *puts on glasses* ...really cool.07:28
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jonwilJust need to figure out the best place on the osmocombb project to ask about Cell Broadcast stuff07:58
jonwilmaybe someone there has info on how Cell Broadcast works07:58
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Hurriananyone have any ideas to fix the date?08:42
Hurrianit is taking up way too much space08:42
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Termanagood morning09:19
jonwilbah, cant find any info on Cell Broadcast SMS09:21
jonwilor how to parse them properly09:21
Hurrianjonwil, it's a bug, and probably wontfix for the n90009:24
jonwilI am working on stuff for it actually09:24
jonwilI posted to the developer list with details already09:24
jonwilWith a patch to libsms, its possible to get the CBSMS stuff to work'09:25
jonwiland I can read it through the IncomingCBS signal09:25
jonwilbut the trick is understsanding how to parse the data once I get it09:25
jonwiland what the best way to display it is09:25
Hurrianugh, i've run out of ideas09:29
* SpeedEvil wishes he could run out of ideas.09:30
Hurrianspeedevil, saw the latest concepts for the lock screen?09:31
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SpeedEvilHow's it accessed - you tap it?09:34
SpeedEvilOh - sorry - this is for n90009:35
* SpeedEvil has brainfade.09:35
SpeedEvilLooks OK.09:35
SpeedEvilWhat does the > mean at unread messages09:36
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Hurrianyou slide it to the right09:36
Hurrianand for missed calls, you slide it to the left09:36
ruskiehmm nice one09:37
ruskiethough the media player really is a pointless thing in there09:37
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Hurrianit's supposed to disappear when you're not using the media player09:38
ruskieso basically I Should never see it then...09:38
ruskiestill it will take up space instead of having a larger clock display won't it?09:39
Hurrianhaving the media player on the lock screen is convenient... for the people that use the n900 as a PMP09:39
Hurrianruskie, the media player will disappear if mafw is not running09:39
ruskiebut the empty space will still be there... won't it?09:40
Hurrianit'll be taken up by the clock09:40
ruskieow? it resizes?09:40
Hurrianyeah, i guess09:41
Hurrianqml does wonders09:41
Hurrianbasically, i dont know what else to put in there09:41
ruskiedoes it resize vertically as well?09:41
reenignEesreveRis paravirutalizaiton possible on n900? like can i run two OS using a hypervisor or something?09:42
Hurrianthat's for portrait mode09:42
Hurriani'll do more mockups for portrait09:43
ruskieany chance of having a configuration app that would allow a person to pick and choose what is included on the screen?09:44
* jonwil hopes he can find someone out there that knows how to decode Cell Broadcast SMS09:46
Hurriani'm not the one who's coding it - it's all up to MAG09:46
Hurrianalthough hopefully it can be done via gconf09:46
Hurrianthis better?09:48
Hurriana lot of people were asking for the icons to be done09:48
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juanmookemaemo rocks09:54
HRH_H_Crabi agree09:56
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HRH_H_CrabreenignEesreveR: a quick google suggests that while it might be theoretically possible to implement paravirtualization on arm, not much work has been done so far, and that which has is limited to the latest generation of processors.09:59
jonwilI think the N900 with Maemo has a bright future ahead of it as long as there are developers out there willing to work on improvements like lock-screen, open-source-mediaplayer, CBSMS, CSSU and other projects10:02
RST38hAm I correct that one cannot share source files between Android projects?10:02
HRH_H_Crabjonwil: i agree. the only "fly in the ointment" as i see it,10:03
HRH_H_Crabis that as the n900 hardware looks more and more limited when compared to newer devices, developer interest may wane.10:04
jonwilI have no plans to replace my N900 though10:04
HRH_H_Crabive seen a similar thing happen with the sharp zaurus line.10:04
HRH_H_Crabi agree.10:04
HRH_H_Crabone thing which the n900 has going for it,10:04
HRH_H_Crabis that for a certain class of user,10:04
jonwilI would only replace it if something that is just as open becomes available10:05
HRH_H_Crab(the *nix geek) i doubt there will be anything better for a VERY long time (if ever)10:05
jonwilOh and it HAS to have a physical keyboard10:05
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jonwilLack of physical keyboard is the #1 reason I didnt buy a Nexus S10:05
HRH_H_Crabas soon as i have the funds available i plan to buy another boxed sim free n900 to keep for when something happens to my existing one.10:06
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juanmookei dropped my n900 on tar road a few times and it is still working perfectly.10:10
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jonwilLooks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding10:14
jonwilif I can figure out how to make sense of it or use it10:14
jonwilMaybe I should ask on the ofono IRC or mailing list...10:14
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HRH_H_Crabjuanmooke: my biggest fear is actually hosing the charger.10:15
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HRH_H_Crabevery time i plug that usb in and remove it my heart is in my mouth.10:15
jonwilI think the USB port on the phone is more likely to be broken than the charger10:15
HRH_H_Crabthats what i mean10:16
HRH_H_Crabknowing that no other phone that exists is able to provide the experience i crave, and that one is never likely to be made again.10:16
HRH_H_Craband that stocks of n900s are fast running out.10:16
juanmookenoooo ,so far mine is still in good condition..10:17
DocScrutinizermeanwhile, if you're wondering which cute "app" to code next:
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juanmookeHRH_H_Crab i keep on starring into my usb after u mentioned it..10:20
HRH_H_Crabyeah there are literally only 3 things i can think of to improve on the n900. more cpu, more ram, a sturdier usb port.10:21
HRH_H_Craband to be fair i can probably live without the first two.10:22
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RST38hFreaking Android SDK does not appear to allow sharing code and resources between projects10:23
RST38hHow exciting!10:23
DocScrutinizer(<jonwil> Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding) see def deoctify(arr):  for PDU conversion10:24
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jonwilThats python code, I dont know the first thing about python :P10:26
jonwilC and C++ I can do10:26
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jonwilplus ofono code has other stuff to deal with CBSMS assembly and things10:27
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Hurrianfinally, a pretty much final design10:32
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* RST38h pleads to the Tentacled One to feast on Android Platform people10:32
RST38hWait. I guess He already did.10:32
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SpeedEvilHRH_H_Crab: Dock connector10:35
HRH_H_Crabnah, i dont need one of those.10:36
RST38hOh, fuck, its XML include statement does not have a notion of file system paths either =(10:36
SpeedEvilHRH_H_Crab: Dock connector = USB port that you use 99% of the time10:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer ops10:37
SpeedEvilajcutshall and Cybergeek2021 need banninated - they're PMing people who talk automatically10:37
HRH_H_CrabSpeedEvil: i (think) i see what you are saying, but it would surely be easier to just make a less fragile usb port! ;)10:38
SpeedEvilNot really10:38
SpeedEvilIt can be made slightly less fragile by going to a through-hole part in principle.10:38
SpeedEvilBut it's still not an actual sane connector for docking.10:38
jonwilMcInUser82673 was also doing that talking thing10:38
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Corsacdragly: by the way, does you n950 have 16G or 64G?10:44
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JaffaCorsac: I think I heard the N950s have 32G10:52
Hurrianohai corsac10:52
Hurriani've given up on opening up the image, it's like banging rocks together10:52
Corsacyou don't like banging rocks? :)10:53
Hurrianwhat the f? when i typed that in, norfanin2, marmot2,swiggy,oblenob2,pixie2 /msg'd me10:53
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Hurrianircops get in here asap10:54
SpeedEvilOn an unrelated matter.10:54
SpeedEvilDoes anyone know if hte nice nokia speakers are released?10:54
Hurrianiirc not until the n9 comes out10:55
* SpeedEvil sighs.10:55
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SpeedEvilThose people need banned. They're presumably attempting to excess flood people who talk off.10:55
JaffaSpeedEvil: Nice speakers, aand I love the concept of joining two to get stereo. Pricey though.10:56
Corsacdo they CTCP too? (I ignore that but...)10:56
SpeedEvilJaffa: Probably10:56
Hurrianugh, i cant remember that irc mode where you need to be in the same channel to /msg people10:56
JaffaSpeedEvil: Announcement said 149eur each10:56
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Hurrianyowch, that's pricey10:56
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: OP needed?10:57
Hurrian149eur for the speakers10:57
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Hurriandoc, they're in a different channel10:57
SpeedEvil149 each! Wow.10:57
Hurrianyou probably need netop10:57
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SpeedEvilI'd be surprised if they're in any channel10:58
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Hurrianthey're all on the 74.63./16 range10:58
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DocScrutinizeryou're free to /join #freenode and bring the issue to staffers' attention10:59
HurrianPlease don't comment on/discuss the spam/trolls10:59
Hurriandamn pdpc10:59
DocScrutinizerthey'll get k-lined in no time - given any staffer is active10:59
Corsacok, trying umode +R11:00
DocScrutinizerdamn idiots, now they got me too11:00
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SpeedEvilSooner or later, they're gonna be numerous enough to excess flood11:01
Hurriantesting mode +R.11:01
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Hurrianit works!11:02
Hurrianno more spam11:02
Corsacyou might want to ban ajcutshall11:02
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DocScrutinizerI think freenode is taking care - runaway IRCbot aiui11:07
DocScrutinizerumm, not yet11:08
Hurrianah, broken ircbots, how i hate thee11:08
CorsacDocScrutinizer: ajcutshall is the first who pm-ed me, has joined first, is on the same host and as the same real name11:08
DocScrutinizeranyway, could somebody grep user list of this chan for hostmasks like 74.63.*.* please11:08
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Corsac/lastlog 74.63 gives him and two others which left11:09
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Corsacbut banning could be a starting point in case they try to come back11:09
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Hurrianwhich reminds me, we don't have a !kickban alias on this channel?11:11
ruskiewhy would it be needed?11:12
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Hurrianmostly allows mods to quickly kickban swaths of users just in case11:12
Hurriananyways, brb going to play GTA IV11:12
ruskieyou have network ops for that11:13
ruskiethis isn't ircnet or some other network ;)11:13
DocScrutinizerHurrian: chan alias??11:13
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DocScrutinizerwhat's that?11:13
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HurrianDocScrutinizer, on my homeland IRC network, we have a !kb $USERS command that ops can use to instantly ban and kick errant users11:15
DocScrutinizernow what a moron been THAT?11:15
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Hurrianmostly because a lot of the mods cant be assed to learn mode commands11:15
DocScrutinizerI can use /kickban but that's just a macro of my client. I don't think there's any such thing like chan specific public macros11:16
ruskieusually a bot is used to handle !commands11:16
DocScrutinizerwe got no such bot11:16
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee11:17
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DocScrutinizerinfobot has no chanops11:17
DocScrutinizerI have ;-)11:17
robbiethe1stWell, considering most clients - Like xchat - have nice easy ways to kick/ban/unban etc...11:17
DocScrutinizerI'm better tan any bot ;-P11:17
DocScrutinizerthen there's also chanserv which also knows kickban cmd11:18
DocScrutinizererr, maybe not11:19
DocScrutinizeraaah akick11:20
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DocScrutinizer //cs akick # #maemo add *!*@ sorry! | spambot messaging all speaking user of chan with private query11:22
DocScrutinizerI don't really see the reason for this "double buffered" action though11:23
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DocScrutinizerduck and cover, I'm going to remove +b 74.63.*.*, as #freenode says "it's handled"11:30
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* DocScrutinizer ponders how to exploit infobot to deal with such cases11:32
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infobotoh no, doc. Don't give me that burden11:33
infobotDocScrutinizer: thanks11:33
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otwieraczIs there any "light" version of maemo for n810 to be a base for lightweight distro for my n810?11:38
otwieracz(with e17, etc)11:39
otwieraczKernel and drivers from Diablo.11:39
otwieraczBut no hildon.11:39
jrayhawkDeblet ran e17 okayish.11:40
jrayhawkI wonder if that's still around somewhere.11:40
otwieraczBut, will be enough for everyday use?11:41
otwieraczIt isn't dead?11:41
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jrayhawkAh, looks like is still around, at least.11:42
jrayhawk'dead' is an ambiguous word, perhaps you'd like to more carefully manage your implications?11:43
otwieracznot active developed?11:43
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otwieraczDeblet is, generally, what?11:43
jrayhawkThat implication applies to varying levels to everything that would run on the n810.11:44
otwieraczRight, n810 is "dead".11:44
otwieraczWhere I can read something about Deblet?11:45
jrayhawkI think there's a Meego porting effort, but it's rather limited what with basically everything Meego-related requiring a lot of acceleration.11:45
jrayhawkUh... let's see, what threads are still useful.11:45
otwieraczMeego is still not usable.11:45
otwieraczAnd I'm afraid that igt never will be on n810.11:46
DocScrutinizeranybody still getting PM spam?11:47
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DocScrutinizerfreenode staff seems has dealt with it11:50
DocScrutinizercheers to freenode staff11:51
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jrayhawk looks workable11:52
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DocScrutinizernatisbad has awesome stuff, and I like the URL ;-)11:53
jrayhawkIIRC Deblet had two problems; one was the Xorg omap server was a lot slower than Xomap, and the other was that there was no real power management being done on the wlan11:54
jrayhawkI also don't recall if anyone got WiMAX working, if that matters11:55
jrayhawkIt's possible Mer will also do what you want, but I don't recall it having a lot of package interoperability with Debian, and it certainly didn't have prebuilt e17 packages like deblet already does.11:55
jrayhawkI think all the relevant people still camp out in #mer, so you can ask them what they think the path of least resistance to getting e17 running is.11:57
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alteregoCan't help but think this Harmattan developer mode is a step back from having a good community repository installed and activated by default.12:27
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DocScrutinizeralterego: it's straight from hell in my book12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-24 13:59:13] <DocScrutinizer> I'm already happy to tell users "sorry, we can't make hostmode working, as it only would work in developer mode, and in developer mode all the apps that would make use of hostmode actually stop to work"12:40
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-24 14:00:01] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no joysticj with your acme hit'n'run game12:40
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-24 14:00:33] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no playback of video from external attached storage12:40
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Hurrianwhat do you people think of a red missed call icon?12:41
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JaffaIs the switch for "developer mode" the same boot time option for "open" and "closed" mode that was described back in Berlin?12:41
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Jaffaalterego: Technically, could be authorised to do X, Y & Z. Each repository is signed and given a maximum number of permissions it can expose for apps installed from it.12:43
DocScrutinizer>>> SDK for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. In-device tools, such as a terminal application and Nokia Energy Profiler. Some of the tools have a graphical user interface and can be found with the other applications, others can only be used using a command-line interface. To disable the tools, select and Security > Developer mode, and deactivate Developer mode. Do not remove the tools.12:43
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jogaovi store doesn't work on n900 anymore?12:46
DocScrutinizerJaffa: the implications of this whole aegis security framework concept are so manifold and complex, you can't really evaluate all of the nastiness we'll face once it's widely adopted12:46
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jogait just tells me to update, no updates available12:47
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Yes, the technology is interesting - but what it exposes we won't know until we get to the device :-(12:47
JaffaFCC confidentiality's up.12:48
DocScrutinizerJaffa: the technology is "interesting" - the original motivation and rationale is disgusting and driven solely by commercial interests, to protect the device from owner12:48
DocScrutinizerJaffa: ? FCC12:48
DocScrutinizerthey disclosed the manual, photos etc yesterday, yes12:49
JaffaDocScrutinizer: To try and get big movie studios to sell content for it as a mass-market device. Now it's not a mass-market device :-(12:49
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Yeah, for some reason I must have been swamped yesterday12:49
DocScrutinizerI got all the stuff and scrutinized it. We discussed it here in this chan12:50
dm8tbrsadly the pictures are not thaat high resolution so you can't identify many things12:50
DocScrutinizeryeah, no component labels12:50
jogaoh, great, sygic doesn't provide maps for n900 anymore? should've bought it earlier I guess...12:50
DocScrutinizerjoga: maps bitrot12:51
DocScrutinizerjoga: there's mappero, marble... now12:51
joganone of them speak? a map program is useless for car without that12:52
DocScrutinizerboth do12:52
jogawell, almost useless12:52
jogaI have both installed and have never heard a squeak12:52
DocScrutinizervoice guidance, yes12:52
jogaI guess I haven't found those features12:52
DocScrutinizermarble introduced it recently, mappero has it since quite some time, dunno since when exactly12:53
jonwilAre these programs Ovi store programs?12:53
jonwilor what?12:53
jogajust yesterday I tried finding it in mappero but to use it?12:53
jogaoh...devel, right12:53
dm8tbrcan't be good if it comes from extras ;)12:53
jonwilSomeone has built free-as-in-open-source voice navigation program? Wow, where are these guys getting their mapping data from?12:54
jogagoogle etc I guess12:54
jonwilOSM is great,12:54
DocScrutinizerboth *can* use google too afaik12:54
jogaI *really* would have liked to store all the maps on phone instead of relying on intarwebs though12:54
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jogaI guess they can do it though..12:55
DocScrutinizermarble definitely has on-board navi now12:55
DocScrutinizeri.e. offline route calc via monav12:55
DocScrutinizermarble also has a maps download iirc12:56
jonwilShould see if there is a way to use12:56
jonwiluse General Transit Feed Specificiation transit data with OpenStreetMap map data12:56
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jonwilGeneral Transit Feed data is what Google Transit uses12:56
jonwiland lots of transit companies publish their routes and timetables in that format :(12:56
DocScrutinizer/join #marble12:57
DocScrutinizernice guys12:57
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DocScrutinizerachipa: hi12:58
achipaDocScrutinizer: hi12:58
DocScrutinizerachipa: authenticating to server via server password (which actually is your nickserv password) will help to avoid your original hostmask popping up here prior to getting your cloak applied12:59
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DocScrutinizer[2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-25 11:57:51] <-- achipa hat den Server verlassen (Changing host).12:59
DocScrutinizer[2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa).12:59
achipayeah, yeah12:59
achipapidgin segfault when I try to do that for some reason13:00
jogahmm...I wonder if there's a feature in marble to "download visible region so that it's usable for routing", I'd like the whole of finland but a bit more than the state borders13:00
achipaI think I'm going to reinstall soon anyway13:00
DocScrutinizerjoga: afaik it's somewhere in context menu or whatever13:01
dm8tbrachipa: btw is there a public version of flasher with that wait for charge functionality?13:01
jogaI can find download region but it says it would take 117kB when finland is visible so I'm pretty sure it takes what is visible and nothing more13:02
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: err sorry?13:02
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: talking about n913:02
DocScrutinizerwait for charge?13:02
achipadm8tbr: is the N950 FW available ?13:02
DocScrutinizerachipa: n950 is13:02
dm8tbrachipa: honestly, I wouldn't know where to check, that's why I asked13:02
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achipaget the flasher for N95013:03
dm8tbrI'd have downloaded and stringed the binary :)13:03
jogaah...maybe it's the "tile level range" I need to adjust13:03
DocScrutinizerwhat's flasher wait-for-charge option?13:03
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: it will make the device charge if it's deep discharged13:03
achipa-Owait-charging is what you want13:03
* dm8tbr takes a note13:04
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: o.O13:04
DocScrutinizerwtf, that worked without flasher on N90013:04
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: this is crucial for the n9 as there you can't pop out the battery and put it in a different device13:04
SpeedEvildm8tbr: It's really not.13:04
SpeedEvildm8tbr: If it's implemented properly.13:05
dm8tbrSpeedEvil: yes, IF :)13:05
SpeedEvilI.E. thresholds set right.13:05
achipathe point is you don't want power to go in the middle of flashing13:05
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achipaand the flash images area in some cases big13:05
SpeedEvilFor example - N900 with a slightly older battery will bootloop13:05
SpeedEvilThis isn't a huge issue.13:05
SpeedEvilBut would be majorly annoying with a new n913:05
SpeedEvilolder n913:05
DocScrutinizerI guess it's some alternative to my suggested way to hold 'C' while booting, to tell NOLO to charge properly and not try to boot to a fsckdup system that won't complete charging13:06
achipadifficult to hold 'C' when you don't have a keyb :)13:06
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: where's the C key on the n9? :D13:06
DocScrutinizerhehe, that's why I said "alternative method"13:07
DocScrutinizer*usually* shouldn't be needed to recover from a flat battery13:08
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DocScrutinizerjust if your bme got hosed13:08
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DocScrutinizerNOLO tends to boot up system to finish charging as soon as hw boots up13:08
jonwilheh, N900 is a lot more reliable in that area than some phones.13:09
DocScrutinizerthat's why you get flashing deadlock when you try to flash with poorly charged batery13:09
jogasomeone who has used marble to download a region of a map...what are the levels I should use to get streets and usable routing? I see no relation in the levels to zoom scale etc13:09
SpeedEviljoga: Z0 is global13:09
SpeedEviljoga: Z10 is 4096 tiles round the equator.13:09
SpeedEviljoga: Or a little over 10km a tile13:10
BluesLeehas someone succeeded in mounting nokia meego 1.2/harmattan rootfs?13:10
jonwilok, time to send that email to the ofono mailing list13:11
jaskaah yes. reminds me i need to gen tiles for tokyo region, need to have them offline and osm doesnt like me bulk downloading tiles :|13:11
DocScrutinizerjoga: I don't know how exactly monav works, I think its using vector cards anyway13:11
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jogaSpeedEvil: maybe I'll just make it download a route then...13:11
DocScrutinizerunrelated to tiles13:11
SpeedEviljoga: that works13:11
jogaapparently there's also a 100000 tile download limit13:11
DocScrutinizerfair enough13:11
SpeedEviljoga: The servers are on donated bandwidth - which is flat out13:11
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jogaand flaky internet here :)13:12
DocScrutinizerOSM servers are maxed out all the time13:12
MohammadAGdoes someone have any idea how much power the screen needs when backlight is off?13:12
SpeedEvilAnd scraping tiles where nobody looks is painful, as it makes the server render 'useless' tiles.13:12
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes13:12
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: See the webpage13:12
otwieraczThat Debian for n810 is well-usable?13:12
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, got a brief comparison?13:12
jaskayeah, i looked at downloading all the tiles i wanted and i figured theyd go apeshit on me if i dl a few million tiles :D13:12
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SpeedEvil(basically it's identical in terms of power with the backlight at minimum level and off)13:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: SpeedEvil did an awesome comprehensive job on listing all those details on the webpage13:13
MohammadAGminiumum level would be 0, not the 1 in mce right?13:13
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: no13:13
* alterego sighs, still no delivery ..13:13
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: I mean minimum level as in the dimmest on the afvanced backlight widget13:13
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HurrianMohammadAG !13:14
SpeedEvilScreen on - no backlight - 80mA. brightest +150mA, one back from that - +40mA13:14
Hurrianhow many revisions of the design did i go thru while you were gone?13:14
jonwilI see that the CSSU is working on replacing a number of the closed source control panels and widgets (e.g. battery status widget) with open source clones, is there a list somewhere where people are suggesting or discussing which widgets to reimplement?13:15
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, so basically, we can keep the screen on for a lockscreen with minimum backlight?13:15
MohammadAGHurrian, going though the whole thread13:15
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: err - no13:15
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: well - you can.13:15
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: but battery life will suck13:15
DocScrutinizerjonwil: NB replacing battery widget is kinda missing the target13:16
SpeedEvilAs in you use 8%/hour or so13:16
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jonwilwell someone did replace the battery widget for some reason13:16
jonwilwhy I dont know :)13:16
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alteregoCool, fcc for n950 is open13:17
DocScrutinizerI think that's been MohammadAG and I think he did it simply because it can be done ;-D13:17
jonwilwell someone cloned the calculator app13:17
DocScrutinizeralterego: yes, we all know13:17
alteregoCant dl it on N900 :/13:18
alteregolame ..13:18
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what we *really* need though is a proper replacement for hald-addon-bme, so whole system will stay unchanged operational, no matter if bme is running or not13:18
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: way better than replacing just the battery applet13:18
jonwilwell the Harmattan SDK has a libbmeipc-dev package13:19
DocScrutinizerI know13:19
DocScrutinizerso it should be really easy13:19
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jogaagh...I still need to give the zoom levels to download the route and have no idea what I should put there so I can drive about 60km13:19
DocScrutinizerI already looked into that13:19
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HurrianMohammadAG : is the lockscreen thread the most image heavy thread aside from the screenshot threads?13:19
MohammadAGHurrian, no, you forgot the epic PR1.2 thread13:20
* MohammadAG pokes lcuk about that13:20
DocScrutinizeryou just kick out the bottom half that talks to bme, and replace it by a function that derives info directly from /sys13:20
HurrianMAG, i wasn't on TMO yet the time PR1.2 came out ;)13:21
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jogaSpeedEvil: do you have some tip what to put there for such a journey?13:21
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SpeedEvilFor example - one of hte images in the map13:22
SpeedEvilThat is Z1613:22
otwieraczjrayhawk: this Debian is usable?13:23
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jogaSpeedEvil: thanks, that helps13:23
SpeedEvil And that's Z1313:23
SpeedEvilZ12 is useful for motorways and stuff13:23
SpeedEvilZ10 for countries13:24
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jogaseems as though it doesn't really start any download...strange13:25
MohammadAGHurrian, I was thinking of a button that I'd drag from the top to the middle13:25
MohammadAGor bottom13:25
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HurrianMohammadAG , finished scanning the thread?13:27
MohammadAGHurrian, yep :p13:27
Hurrianso, what do you think?13:28
Hurrianshould the fields be split in landscape mode?13:28
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Hurrianor should I keep it all in one bar?13:29
jogamarble doesn't download anything... :(13:32
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SpeedEviljoga: Check it's the current version - occasionally certain versions of clients get blacklisted because they don't comply with
jogaI've calced the route, told it to "download route" with proper levels (about 45MB), then press done, then nothing happens13:32
jogaSpeedEvil ok..13:32
jogait's 1.1.1 stable13:33
MohammadAGpersonally I think they should be split13:33
MohammadAGno point in cramming everything in one bar13:33
Hurriank, sure13:34
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MohammadAGFCC docs say the dev device has a 12MP cam13:36
jogamaybe I'll try getting marble for -devel...13:37
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* jonwil wonders why someone would want to clone the calculator app for the CSSU. Although that may have been so it can support portrait orientation...13:39
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jrayhawkotwieracz: Yeah. My n810 spent a lot of time in Deblet.13:41
HurrianMohammadAG :
jrayhawkOn the whole, I don't think the stacking window model (such as e17's) was particulary wise on that hardware; I wound up using Awesome for everything.13:42
otwieraczjrayhawk: 1GB SD card will not be enough?13:43
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jrayhawkSo long as you're careful, that'll probably work.13:43
HurrianMohammadAG : ...and we're back to the "usable with one hand" design paradigm.13:44
otwieraczjrayhawk: how careful?13:44
jrayhawkWell, don't install any giant metapackages like gnome.13:44
jrayhawkAPT::Install-Recommends "false"; would also help13:44
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otwieraczOn my desktop I'm using WM which weights… 109K :)13:44
jrayhawkThat's the spirit!13:45
otwieraczdwm ftw!13:45
MohammadAGHurrian, how come?13:45
MohammadAGtwo points:13:45
MohammadAG1) you're not supposed to using one hand with landscape mode13:45
otwieracz(really, most useful WM I've ever seen)13:45
jonwilAs for me, my next projects are to keep working on CBSMS dumping/decoding, work on improvements to FindMine to make it easier to play without accidentally clicking on a mine square by mistake, maybe create a clone of connui-home-cellular as that will provide help with stuff I need to know for CBSMS app13:45
MohammadAG2) if you meant notifications, then sliding them should be to the middle, not the far end13:45
jonwilAnd maybe also look into cloning hald-addon-bme13:45
HurrianMohammadAG: i meant unlocking the device13:46 before13:46
jonwilsince it was mentioned that it was useful to have a replacement13:46
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otwieraczjrayhawk: You have some time now?13:46
Hurrianjonwil, that'd be interesting to see13:46
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otwieraczjrayhawk: Maybe I'll try and your help may be important :)13:47
jonwilwhich of my items would be interesting to see?13:47
Hurrianthe open BME replacement.13:48
jonwilThis isnt BME, its hald-addon-bme13:48
jonwilthere are already efforts to create things that can do some or all of what bme does13:48
jrayhawkNot sure how much help I can be, but sure.13:48
HurrianMohammadAG : are you going to start on the massive work that's needed?13:49
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otwieraczOK, so let's start.13:49
jonwilIs it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install?13:49
Ekcehey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :)13:49
otwieraczHow many swap to make?13:50
otwieraczIn case of only ~950MB free total?13:50
jrayhawkProbably best to use a swapfile in that circumstance.13:51
jrayhawk'swapspace' being the package for that.13:51
FredrIQ|n900<Ekce> hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :)13:52
jrayhawkI doubt you'll need it for installation, but once you start running graphical applications it'll come in handy.13:52
FredrIQ|n900droid sans mono 813:52
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FredrIQ|n900and switched own text color to white13:52
FredrIQ|n900(if that isn't done per default yet - impossible to read)13:52
MohammadAGHurrian, in a bit :p13:53
MohammadAG<jonwil> Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install?13:53
Hurrianah, k13:53
otwieraczOK, I one create Linux partition for whole SD card.13:53
MohammadAGdeb fremantle free non-free13:53
MohammadAGdeb-src fremantle free13:53
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jonwilok, great13:54
MohammadAGadd those to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update13:54
FredrIQ|n900so, i have a class 2 microSD card13:54
FredrIQ|n900would meego run with usable speed or not?13:54
FredrIQ|n900(just wanted to test it, mostly)13:54
otwieracz/dev/sdb1   *          16     2012159     1006072   83  Linux13:54
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SpeedEvilClasses are a very poor representation of the important things - whihc is mosl random access speeds13:55
jonwilmail sent to ofono mailing list :)13:55
EkceFredrIQ|n900, good tip, but I don't have the droid sans font for some reason. Using nokia sans size 12 and green text and it's good enough :)13:55
FredrIQ|n900Ekce, ok :P13:56
Ekceany shortcut way to tab user nick in xchat btw? sry bout the noob questions13:56
SpeedEvilI think it's alt-space13:56
SpeedEvilI remapped it to shift-rightarrow13:56
EkceFredrIQ|n900, thanks again :)13:57
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MohammadAGHurrian, I was thinking of a settings dialog, that would require some secret gesture13:57
SpeedEvilI use nokia sans semibold 1413:57
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FredrIQ|n900nokia sans isn't monospace :(13:58
FredrIQ|n900(yes, i prefer monospace on IRC for some reason)13:58
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what's your take on gesture daemon? interested?14:00
otwieraczjrayhawk: In this process, I will install bootloader, Debian with debootstrap then compile kernel and flash device with it?14:00
HurrianMohammadAG , stuff it in Settings, not in the lockscreen ;)14:00
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it should be implemented in hildon-desktop14:00
Hurrianyou know what would be nice? if the lockscreen replaced the "secure device" dialog14:00
Hurriantap to unlock -- but there's a code!14:01
jrayhawkI think the kernels are already compiled somewhere.14:01
DocScrutinizerwe actually *might* need some hooks in there, but basically the daemon itself should be unrelated14:01
Hurriani mean, not like the n900's secure anyway, why not make the lock screen nice?14:01
MohammadAGbut  yes, I'm interested in anything that keeps the N900 up and running, whether I get the N950 or not14:01
otwieraczjrayhawk: I don't see here…14:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm quite willing to discuss this implementation rationale though14:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I might be wrong14:02
otwieraczjrayhawk: But, It's too many work for this moment.14:02
otwieraczjrayhawk: so sad, that nobody done „ready-to-install” Debian image for n810.14:03
jrayhawkIf I recall correctly, the sequence is something like install bootloader, debian with debootstrap, install extra packages from deblet, install kernel from deblet14:03
otwieraczAh, kernel from deblet.14:03
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otwieraczSo It's not such many work…14:04
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jrayhawkUh, hmm. Maybe the default Diablo kernel works fine and they just add modules on top of that?14:07
jrayhawkIt's been, like, two years since I last played with this, so my memory is a bit hazy.14:07
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MohammadAGHurrian, the lock code is handled by mce14:09
MohammadAGalso the lockscreen is multiplatform :p14:09
otwieraczI'll see.14:10
MohammadAGI plan to add MeeGo/Harmattan support, if I get an N950, the code is built to allow that14:10
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otwieraczjrayhawk: bootloader ready to install?14:14
otwieraczWill be awesome.14:14
jrayhawkJust pray that all the resources are still hosted in their appropriate spots.14:15
HurrianMohammadAG : working on implementing all the new bars?14:16
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HurrianBTW, the overlay on the album art is the "time left" on the song14:16
otwieracz„Operation failed” while trying to execute .install file.14:17
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MohammadAGHurrian, still have no idea how to get missed calls/SMS/IM count14:18
Hurrianuhh, where is it stored that a message is unread in Conversations?14:19
Hurrianporbably just count how many unread messages there are14:19
MohammadAGsome database afaik, but polling that isn't the right way14:19
grirtcom eventlogger has a is_read flag on messages14:19
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jonwilok, lets get findmine source code up and going14:24
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Ekce86Hurrian, is that on N900? very nice!14:29
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HurrianEkce86 : MohammadAG's implementing it in code right now.14:32
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FIQMeeGo CE logo looks a bit like ubuntu's14:34
jonwilWill this lock-screen replace the security code screen?14:34
FIQcouldn't test networking as I don't have wifi around, but whatever14:35
MohammadAGit'll be like the stock lock screen, unlocking the screen still points to the lock dialog14:35
MohammadAG~seen Venemo14:36
infobotvenemo <~Timur@fedora/Venemo> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'roofboard, I agree'.14:36
jrayhawkotwieracz: I think my old deblet install is intact; I'll see if I can get it running and get an image.14:37
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otwieraczjrayhawk: I will be thankfull.14:38
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Ekce86MohammadAG, trying out the lockscreen right now, and it's awesome. although it seems to switch to the same track all the time for some reason14:47
jrayhawkHmm. It boots, but one of the three layers of keyboard abstraction seems to be broken. How tedious.14:47
MohammadAGEkce86, check your playlist in the mediaplayer14:47
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otwieraczI'll tru the installer.14:50
otwieraczWARNING: You should either have a clean initfs before installing bootmenu or have fanoush's bootmenu installed (we've seen trouble with penguinbait initfs?)14:51
otwieraczHow to clean initfs?14:51
otwieraczSimply rm -rf /mnt/initfs/*?14:52
jrayhawkIt's not an issue unless you've been messing around with the init fs.14:52
Ekce86MohammadAG, alright, I emptied the now playing list and now it's working like a charm, thanks man14:52
jrayhawkAh, I must've dist-upgraded this userspace while using it as a chroot and overwritten some important deblet stuff.14:53
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otwieraczSo, what with this initfs?14:54
jrayhawkDo you know how an initrd works?14:55
otwieraczKernel mount initramfs, then for example load modules to mount real root.14:55
otwieraczMost common usasge of initramfs.14:56
jrayhawkYeah, it's an intermediary userspace used to bring up full userspaces. initrds obviously have filesystems that live entirely in memory. The Maemo initfs is an intermediate userspace that lives on some flash.14:57
HurrianMohammadAG : dump all the sliders14:57
jrayhawkbootmenu modifies that intermediate userspace to give you a an interactive choice in the boot sequence to decide what full userspace you want to end up in.14:58
otwieraczRoll on!14:58
otwieraczAnd reboot.14:58
otwieraczPush menu to…14:59
otwieraczAnd Maemo is booting.14:59
jrayhawkpush and hold14:59
jrayhawkit's finnicky :(14:59
jrayhawkyou have to move very fast14:59
otwieraczMenu button?14:59
otwieraczDropdown menu button?14:59
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keriodon't you need to turn the n900 on with the keyboard open?15:00
otwieraczAnd I have „Internal flash” and „Power off” to choice.15:00
otwieraczNow install Deblet?15:00
jrayhawkYeah, probably.15:01
otwieraczDebian here will be awesome ;)15:01
otwieraczAnd no hildon.15:01
otwieraczHmm, there's no cool Deblet environment.15:02
otwieraczOnly LXDE, GNOME, KDE and barebones X.15:02
jrayhawkJust a second, one guy made e17 packages...15:02
otwieraczBut, at this moment, Barebones X.15:02
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otwieraczUhm, I have to choice mmcblk0 or mmcblk1.15:04
otwieraczWhich is external?15:04
otwieraczI can't run terminal now and check with „mount”.15:04
jrayhawk e17 packages15:04
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jrayhawkmmcblk0 is internal, so mmcblk1 is probably external15:05
jrayhawkI don't know where my minisd adapter is to verify for certain, but hey, what's life without adventure :)15:06
DocScrutinizerwatch out, there's a lot of confusion around this!15:06
jrayhawkYeah, I think the n800 had a different setup.15:07
MohammadAGmmcblk1 in internal on bootup15:07
DocScrutinizernah, there's been this swapping the names madness15:07
jrayhawkooh, scary15:07
DocScrutinizerand still is15:07
jrayhawkuh, well, is this installer you're playing with running from the initfs or from the full maemo root?15:08
ToJa92could someone help me with my n900? I did a apt-get upgrade when I received a CSSU update, and I got some upgraded QT-packages which stopped QT-apps requiring network access from running.15:08
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otwieraczIt was external.15:08
jrayhawkhaha thank goodness15:08
MohammadAGmeego wise, if there's a uSD in, that's mmcblk0, else, eMMC is mmcblk015:08
DocScrutinizeron boot the kernel checks external first then internal, and numbers accordingly (means internal has different name depending if you got external or not)15:08
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HurrianToJa92: apt-get dist-upgrade15:08
DocScrutinizerthen later in boot names get swapped15:08
MohammadAGToJa92, which update? 15 is fairly stable15:08
DocScrutinizerbut not for all locations15:08
MohammadAGuse apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr15:09
HurrianMAG : saw the latest mockups? the message/call sliders are trashed15:09
MohammadAGnot dist-upgrade15:09
DocScrutinizerlike /proc/* for example15:09
jrayhawkAh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. What an unfortunate decision.15:09
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ToJa92MohammadAG: I'm using the "stable" version(honestly I'm not sure what version it is)15:10
jrayhawkoh yeah, i guess you probably don't need fatalsaint's e17 packages what with those actually being in debian, now15:10
MohammadAGToJa92, check settings then15:11
otwieraczNow we're waiting for download…15:11
ToJa92"mp-fremantle-community-pr is already the newest version."15:11
jrayhawkI hope it correctly pulls off of rather than the normal mirrors.15:11
ToJa92dist-upgrade fails, hang on and I'll get the output15:11
MohammadAGToJa92, what apps fail to start?15:11
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DocScrutinizerjrayhawk: on N900 cat /proc/partitions shows "incorrect" when mount displays what you assume to be correct15:13
RST38hAnyone else experiences audio problems in games like Tecnoballz, Hex-a-Hop, Gweled, etc?15:14
ToJa92MohammadAG: Facebook, groove, fapman15:14
RST38hI am no longer getting any audio at all15:14
MohammadAGby facebook you mean sociality?15:15
MohammadAGall 3 work fine for me15:15
DocScrutinizerjrayhawk: there's a ticket on for it15:16
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RST38hMohammad: Could you tell me what versions of sdl, mikmod and vorbis you have? (see tecnoballz depends)15:17
ToJa92dist-upgrade gives me this error
ToJa92Could it be related to me having the unofficial busybox upgrade installed?15:17
DocScrutinizerdist-upgrade? you bet gives error, it kills your system15:18
DocScrutinizerabsolutely deprecated15:18
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DocScrutinizeras is auto-remove15:19
kerioautoremove is deprecated? D:15:19
DocScrutinizerit removes bits that aren't locked into anything else. For me it broke SIP15:19
DocScrutinizerif I'm not completely losing my mind now15:20
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merlin1991yeah autoremove == evil!15:24
DocScrutinizerecho "NONONO!! Don't do that!"15:24
DocScrutinizer    exit 515:24
otwieraczapting… apting…15:24
ekce86MohammadAG, will Hurrian's lockscreen be implemented today for us to upgrade from -devel?15:27
MohammadAGekce86, hopefully15:27
Hurrianwaitwaitwait, MohammadAG, you're actually going to do it today?15:28
ToJa92MohammadAG: Any clue? Or should I just reflash?15:28
Hurrianneed the icons?15:28
HurrianBTW, refer to for the finalized design15:28
MohammadAGToJa92, output of Qt app from terminal?15:28
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otwieraczjrayhawk: install failed :(15:28
MohammadAGHurrian, I'll push the old design in a bit, cause my initial one was crap15:29
jrayhawkAny particularly useful output?15:29
MohammadAGthen I'll start on the new one15:29
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HurrianMohammadAG , i downloaded the latest enhanced-lockscreen off your server15:29
Hurriannice buttons ;)15:29
ToJa92MohammadAG: all three just segfaults15:29
otwieraczjrayhawk: „Failure while trying to run: chroot /mnt/deblet dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny9_armel.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_armel.deb15:29
Hurrianalthough there's a bug: it doesn't skip the song IF the song is paused15:30
MohammadAGToJa92, hmm, that's weird15:30
jrayhawkCan you verify that file exists?15:30
MohammadAGHurrian, it does, but mafw doesn't emit the metadata changed signal15:30
FIQby the way, how come if I forward X from N900 to computer and run something in wine, i cannot use the keyboard?15:30
FIQi.e. the focus is still on the terminal15:30
FIQbut all other X applications works fine15:30
xraptorxAnyone one is from NY or exist a irc channel from them15:30
ekce86MohammadAG, alright, I'm waiting eagerly :) much appreciated15:31
FIQforwarding X from computer to N900*15:31
HurrianMohammadAG : are you going to remake the icons or will i supply them to you?15:31
otwieraczjrayhawk: wait a moment…15:31
DocScrutinizerFIQ: fun, isn't it?15:31
Hurrianif you need them, i'll zip them up15:31
MohammadAGRST38h,  libsdl1.2                  1:1.2.13-2maemo8+0m515:32 doesn't appear to be in the mirrors list, so it may have completely failed to download15:32
FIQwhy does it do that?15:32
FIQand can i dodge it somehow?15:32
otwieraczjrayhawk: Yes, it exists.15:32
jrayhawkunless it gave you a way to put that in manually15:32
jrayhawkah, okay15:32
MohammadAGRST38h, libmikmod2                 3.1.11-a-215:32
ToJa92MohammadAG: Could you just do "dpkg -l|grep libqt" and send me the output so that I can compare the versions?15:32
MohammadAGRST38h,   libvorbisfile3     1.2.3.tk115:33
DocScrutinizerFIQ: you do what? forward a wine session on PC via vnc to N900?15:33
otwieraczjrayhawk: I'll try again…15:34
FIQno, via X (ssh)15:34
DocScrutinizerno idea15:34
FIQtoo bad15:34
MohammadAGToJa92, ii  libqt4-gui 1:4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu115:34
khertan_pretty strange error in sdk :
ToJa92MohammadAG: If it isn't too much of a hassle, could you /msg me the list or put it on pastebin?15:38
MoonTigeri have to say Qt is a wonderful framework15:39
MoonTigeri am impressed15:39
khertan_until you do qml stuff15:39
MoonTigerhmmmmmm im loving c++ right now15:40
MoonTigerit feels like coming home15:40
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ToJa92MohammadAG: No libqtm* packages installed?15:41
MohammadAGToJa92, those aren't touched in the CSSU15:42
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ToJa92well the libqt4- package versions matches15:43
ToJa92guess I'll be looking at reflashing this afternoon then15:43
MohammadAGtry apt-get --reinstall instail-ing them15:43
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DocScrutinizerbtw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say15:48
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DocScrutinizerbuzzword aegis15:48
DocScrutinizerNB phonet and cmt are running under security according to this15:49
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DocScrutinizerola javispedro15:49
DocScrutinizerfor you:15:50
DocScrutinizerbtw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say15:50
ShadowJKso you can't run your own kernels and os and retain phone functions?15:50
javispedrodunno, looks like a srchash to me15:50
DocScrutinizerwell, it's all handwaving by me15:51
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: I do not think it is anything about hashed modules. Why hash g_softupd.ko and not, say, iommu.ko? This is the kernel, either all of them are hashed or it is as good as if noone was.15:52
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: depending on policies that might be what it means15:52
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I'm just spreading FUD atm15:53
ToJa92MohammadAG: Well that did fix the issue (not sure why I didn't try that before). Thanks15:53
MohammadAGI'm all for the security framework for Ovi apps and such, but why the kernel? :/15:53
khertan_once you have the kernel15:53
khertan_i mean an access15:54
khertan_you can by pass everything you want15:54
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javispedrokhertan_'s FUD is way more scaring15:54
javispedro(I mean that pastebin)15:55
DocScrutinizerjust went twittering a bit. Maybe should reduce number of posts, and increase timespan and amount of pondering between running into sth and posting my thoughts here ;-)15:56
MohammadAGkhertan_, fakeroot?15:56
MohammadAGI want the Harmattan SDK :(15:57
khertan_MohammadAG, yep ;)15:57
khertan_fakeroot i ve put it after ;)15:57
khertan_but it s funny to got this strange error15:57
khertan_about aegis ... when install a package in the sdk15:57
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* khertan_ have python problem in scratchbox15:57
khertan_MohammadAG, ? what the problem ?15:58
* RST38h yawns15:58
RST38hhelo javispedro15:58
javispedroRST38h: hello15:58
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javispedroit is actually very easy to do a transparent screen16:00
javispedrojust set truecolor visual with alpha channel16:01
DocScrutinizerbcm4751-gps.ko  :-o16:01
RST38hjavispedro: Just found that Android SDK forces you to keep all your source code and data in the same directory16:01
RST38htwo directories actually, ok16:01
javispedroh-d will composite it with desktop background automatically16:01
javispedroRST38h: Java, Java.16:01
RST38hjavispedro: I.e. if I have got a few classes that are shared between projects, I am forced to copy them16:01
khertan_javispedro, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, corruptedJava,16:02
javispedrothis entire "thou must use our holy directory structure" is a very Java thing16:02
RST38hjavispedro: I am not sure how people can do any serious programming using this stuff16:02
MoonTigerhow do i show the notification popups in maemo qt apps16:02
RST38hjavispedro: it all feels like a toy16:02
MoonTigerthe semi-transparent bar that goes across the screen i mean16:03
javispedroRST38h: the question is: does it cather to all those toy application developers so that android can someday say they have an order of magnitude more fart applications that iphone?16:04
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MoonTigerok well what is the "correect" way to show user errors on dialog boxes for maemo?16:04
GAN900Gay pride parade in front of the store today.16:05
* GAN900 prays for some rain.16:05
MoonTigerGAN900, where are you?16:05
GAN900St. Petersburg, FL16:05
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MoonTigerwhy do u want rain?16:06
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MohammadAGI miss rain16:06
Hurrianjavispedro, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN DENSITY16:07
Hurrianlooks legit16:07
GAN900Because it's my job to keep entitled, rude bastards from filling up the parking lot.16:07
GAN900and rain will thin the crowds.16:07
GAN90080k expected to attend16:07
javispedroGAN900: you do not want rain then, but fire balls from the sky16:08
javispedrodepending on your location, the latter might have more chances =)16:08
RST38hjavispedro: more or less16:08
RST38hGAN900: Why?Do you like your gays wet?16:08
MoonTigerGAN900, so you are homophobic then?16:08
GAN900MoonTiger, no, I just don't like spending my morning in the hot sun telling people who think everyone who tells them not to do something is a homophobe why I'd prefer they not shut down my place of employment today. :)16:09
MoonTigerGAN900, so if it was a free-beer and rock music with hot chics parade you would do the same yes?16:10
RST38hGAN900:Which bring up the next logical question: If someone hates straight people too, is he STILL homophobic?=)16:10
GAN900MoonTiger, yes, though, anecdotally, I find far fewer problems with the expectation of free public use of private property with most other events.16:11
MoonTigerif its private property then the people who own it have obviously given permission no?16:12
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MohammadAG<MoonTiger> why do u want rain?16:13
MohammadAGhaven't seen it in a while16:13
* MoonTiger doesn't like homophobic people16:14
GAN900MoonTiger, yes, clearly, or I wouldn't be standing outside telling people not to park next to the front door if they're not shopping here.16:15
javispedroyou think gays need _permission_?16:16
* GAN900 doesn't much care for people who attribute broad stereotypes to people they disagree with.16:16
MoonTigerGAN900, so if they have permission isn't it just something you have to deal with?16:16
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GAN900They don't have permission16:16
MoonTigerthen call the cops16:16
GAN900They think they're entitled to free parking wherever they want16:16
GAN900MoonTiger, I have, but it's generally a last resort.16:16
otwieraczjrayhawk: we'll see if it will work now.16:17
otwieraczjrayhawk: currently installing packages.16:17
javispedroGAN900: but aren't you in the US? just bring out the shotgun! ;)16:17
SpeedEvilGAN900: Put on some hot chaps, to make sure they know you're not homophobic.16:18
GAN900SpeedEvil, ugh, the leather costumes people manage to put together. . . .16:18
tank-manyou don't call the cop for unauthorized parking, you call the tow company16:19
MohammadAGHurrian, "hey, you know, there are WOMEN who use the N900! yes, WOMEN!" - 12 I'd say16:20
SpeedEvilJust sign it 'Car recycling point'16:20
SpeedEvilAnd then get all the cars crushed for profit.16:20
MohammadAGI mean, they barely make up 1% with sociality's stats :P16:20
MohammadAGjust thought I'd say that16:20
MoonTigeri just replace the word "gay" with "black" and see if the sentence is still unoffensive ... if it is the cool ... otherwise not so much16:20
MoonTigerMohammadAG, 1316:20
HurrianMohammadAG : still, not even a lie that women actually bought that thick, heavy, black hunk of junk16:21
MohammadAGhmm, wow, they're 5%16:21
MohammadAGout of 4027 users16:21
mrdongle     ty javispedro16:21
Hurrianalso, inb4 lock screen thread turns into a troll thread16:21
Hurrianvi_ : I wunt 9 lok screenz with widgets and a appz luncher with a map and polling all hardware all time.16:22
MohammadAGmost N900 users w/ a facebook are from germany16:22
Hurrianholy crap, you can find so many of these in the maemo 5 screenshots thread16:22
MoonTigerHurrian, and battery life of more than 1 hr?16:22
MohammadAGI think I should remove images from the binary16:22
HurrianMAG: gconf tiem16:22
MohammadAGno, QSettings16:23
Hurrianright, you're using qt16:23
Hurriani always wondered why there are so. many. ricer. desktops. in the M5 screenshot thread, and none at all in M2-4 screenshots16:24
MohammadAGeither I remove the images from the binary, or I keep it there and allow a custom one16:24
HurrianMAG : remove it, and prompt for a wallpaper on first launch16:24
javispedroMohammadAG: make it transparent and h-d will show desktop background16:24
javispedrobut sadly I have no idea how to do that with Qt =)16:25
MohammadAGHurrian, no, that's not practical16:25
MohammadAGjavispedro, and on MeeGo? :P16:25
javispedrono idea, will test it today16:26
HurrianMAG: just require the settings app to be run before using switching over to the new lock screen then16:26
Hurrian....or ship it with a flat black background16:26
Hurrianwhatever works i guess16:26
javispedroanother alternative is to read desktop background from gconf16:27
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MohammadAGbest way QSettings().value("main/background-url", ":/lockscreen.png")16:29
MohammadAGif the settings file has a value set, use that, else, use the file in the binary16:30
javispedroQt has pervasive in-binary files support?16:30
javispedrothat is nice.16:30
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MohammadAGI found why the slider sucks, it's cause I was setting the background in paintEvent16:32
MohammadAGalterego, ^16:32
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MohammadAGis there a better way to do it? say QPalette?16:33
GAN900What's everybody's takeaway from the Harmattan SDK?16:33
MohammadAGI can't install it16:33
javispedrowhich one?16:34
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GAN900Any one you care to have an opinion about?16:35
* javispedro likes sbox as usual...16:36
javispedroI miss more sample applications, still remember the days when the SDK would come with a sample of virtually any kind of applet or application16:37
javispedroeach of them showing a GNU logo =)16:37
MohammadAGjavispedro, it fails on step 216:37
javispedroI did not install sbox using the wizard though16:37
javispedroso no idea what step2 is =)16:38
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alteregoInstalled fine for me, I might blog the manual install instructions.16:39
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merlin1991alterego: I'd like to read that blogpost16:41
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griHarmattan sdk is unusable to port my application. Contacts and messaging missing -> nike ...16:43
MohammadAGjavispedro, then how did you install it?16:43
javispedroMohammadAG: I have some notes, I'm formatting them a bit16:43
MohammadAGjavispedro, oh, so there's no script?16:43
MohammadAGbesides the python one16:44
javispedronone that I know of16:45
alteregoThe wizzard just updated my scratchbox16:45
Hurriangri, you may need to add nokia-binaries16:45
Hurrianbut you dont have a key16:45
griHurrian: my /etc/apt/sources.list has an entry of nokia-binaries16:46
* RST38h seriously considering going at the .java files with the C preprocessor16:46
Hurrianwell, try searching for the apps16:47
Hurrianapt-cache search16:47
grialready done16:47
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gristill only accounts-ui, settings, qmlviewer and an not-working instance of mail16:48
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Hurrianokay, night guys.16:49
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* jonwil curses libconnui and libconnui_cell...16:51
javispedroMohammadAG: Neither fremantle nor diablo should break if you follow this, though maybe you will need a newer version of the diablo/fremantle devkits16:51
* jonwil curses the lack of an easy way to get signaled for flightmode and for network changes16:51
mrdonglewhat is fun today16:51
MohammadAGjavispedro, and I'm guessing the same SB packages should work?16:52
grijavispedro: Are the rootstraps the same which get installed by the python installer script?16:52
mrdonglei got a wlan beacon in a plane once on kismet16:52
javispedroMohammadAG: which ones? :P16:52
javispedrogri: yes.16:52
MohammadAGjavispedro, the ones installed by the two Fremantle SDK scripts16:52
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gridamn, I need the contacts application and/or messaging-ui16:53
javispedroMohammadAG: the packages installed by the fremantle sdk might not make it, you need hathor16:53
javispedroMohammadAG: if you used .deb packages to install the fremantle sdk, you should use .deb packages again to upgrade to hathor16:53
javispedrootherwise you end up with mess =916:53
javispedroI have gentoo, and I also have sbox on separate partition, so I use tarballs.16:54
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MohammadAGI think I already messed up when I upgraded ubuntu16:54
merlin1991javispedro: I see harmattan and hathor16:54
MohammadAG/scratchbox persisted, debs didn't :p16:54
javispedromerlin1991: someone probably aggregated the harmattan versions for you16:55
MohammadAGoh, amd64 packages16:55
merlin1991do you suggest using hator or the harmattan ones? :D16:55
MohammadAGwhy did I have to use force-arch with fremantle?16:55
javispedrothe versions match, so use the harmattan ones16:55
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MohammadAGor should I use the x86 ones?16:56
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* merlin1991 hopes that this is going to work16:56
MohammadAGsince the target expects X8616:56
javispedrohathor = stable scratchbox series16:56
javispedroMohammadAG: do you run amd64 ubuntu?16:56
arvuthello folks16:56
javispedrothen amd6416:56
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otwieraczIt takes so looong to install this Debian…16:56
javispedroit's just the package header changed, sbox is still 32-bit only16:56
MohammadAGbut Harmattan targets are ARMEL and X86 :P16:57
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MohammadAGshould I dl the exact versions you posted or the newest ones?16:57
javispedroyou know the answer16:58
javispedroadventurous = newer.16:58
javispedrocoward = exact.16:58
MohammadAGI hate microB sometimes :/16:58
merlin1991updating scratchbox currently16:59
javispedroI ponder what's this entire N9 has plug'n'play sdk16:59
merlin1991wondering how much will break16:59
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javispedromerlin1991: I see that there's also autotools-legacy and python-legacy sbox packages, I think you will need them for fremantle (someone was having this error before)17:00
MohammadAG16KB/s \o/17:00
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merlin1991110 here17:00
javispedroI bet I don't get it because I just untarred everything on top of the older sbox so I still have older files17:00
merlin1991still no fun17:00
MohammadAGI wish someone would mirror there17:00
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merlin1991javispedro: I'll report back when ubuntu finished updateing sn17:01
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MohammadAG30KB/s, this is boring17:02
MohammadAGI wonder how fast the server would dl it17:02
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I messed up your wiki pages another time ;-)17:02
SpeedEvilI'm taking a day off and clearing up the garden a bit.17:02
DocScrutinizer:-) fair enough17:03
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SpeedEvilAnd decompressing.17:03
DocScrutinizerI'll do similarly IT-unrelated things now17:03
MohammadAGholy shit 400KB/s xD17:03
SpeedEvilWill start digging into kernel source and FCC and ...17:03
merlin1991javispedro: your pastebin tells me to set up "Harmattan Nokia Meego API armel beta rootstrap" wth is the "Harmattan Platform API beta armel rootstrap " ?17:03
MohammadAG2MB/s wtf17:03
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javispedroI don't think I ever used the word meego ;)17:04
* lcuk dances around the chan17:04
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merlin1991javispedro: rootstrapname -> description on
* DocScrutinizer claps hands to lcuk 's dance17:04
javispedromerlin1991: aah,  you will see filenames after reading & accepting EULA.17:05
merlin1991yeah saw it17:05
javispedrowhich one to gets I tell you on pastebin17:05
merlin1991I did follow you so far17:05
merlin1991I'm only wondering wht the other ones are17:05
javispedrothey are larger17:06
javispedroi'll test them someday17:06
javispedrothe script gets the one I mentioned17:06
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javispedronokiameegoapi means only Qt stuff, while platformapi means "more" stuff; whatever "more" is.17:07
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DocScrutinizershell wizards: any way other than $>  od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries in scripts?17:07
DocScrutinizers/ in s/ via s/17:08
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: shell wizards: any way other than $>  od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries via scripts?17:08
GAN900Ugh, now the Jesus Freaks are trying to save my soul.17:08
GAN900It's too hot for questions of theology.17:08
DocScrutinizerGAN900: prolly you can use it17:08
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MohammadAGI swear if this breaks my Fremantle sb17:09
GAN900Soul saving? Probably.17:09
javispedroGAN900: cause you let them park?17:09
GAN900But who has the time?17:09
GAN900javispedro, nah, they're going to convert all the gays.17:09
* javispedro hides from MohammadAG 17:09
javispedroGAN900: see? god is answering to your fireballs from the sky request17:09
javispedroin a  few moments you will have a civil war. right in front your work place.17:10
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merlin1991I'm also wondering what arm-qemu-rm680_linux_i686.tar.gz is17:10
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merlin1991according to the page it's Harmattan System Qemu image 32bit17:10
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javispedroit is what it says on the tin =)17:11
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javispedrothe image also comes with the qt sdk to be used with madde17:12
merlin1991sb updating via deb, wish me luck17:12
merlin1991ah well I'll be able to test in an hour 300kb/s on the rootstraps17:13
MohammadAGhow do I dl with wget?17:13
MohammadAGI'm guessing cookies, but how? :P17:13
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infobotThe Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com17:15
merlin1991I want the link to the maemo wiki :D17:15
infobotmaemosdk is probably
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javispedroRST38h: read ?17:19
* merlin1991 loves it how stopping the maemo emulation lets xephyr segfault17:19
* MohammadAG loves how he always thought it was a signal being sent to Xephyr17:19
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MohammadAGI always nohup Xephyr :P17:19
merlin1991but fremantle sdk seems to be working still, so updating sb didn't break it17:20
MohammadAGwe'll have to postpone torturing javispedro then17:20
javispedromerlin1991: try to build a package17:20
merlin1991javispedro: I did17:20
merlin1991gonna try that one on device and then I'm really sure it worked :D17:21
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jierohi, I come here to ask for help again. I found my camera on N900 is not working and a post related to the Community Seamless Software Update. Is it true?17:23
merlin1991jiero: I'm running the cssu and camera works just fine17:23
merlin1991jiero: could you be a little bit more precise about "not working" ?17:24
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jieromerlin1991: lol its working now!17:26
jieromerlin1991:  are you angel?17:26
merlin1991afaik merlin is a wizard ;)17:27
jieromerlin1991:  thanks for you help :D17:27
merlin1991javispedro: the package did run fine on the n900, I guess sb didn't break :)17:28
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merlin1991I feel stupid for asking this, but where does apt cache deb files?17:31
merlin1991(on the n900)17:31
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infobotbye doc17:31
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merlin1991MohammadAG: am I right assuming that this is part of rootfs?17:32
merlin1991ah nope symlink in /var/cache to opt17:33
MohammadAGbeat me to it17:33
MohammadAGI symlinked it to MyDocs17:33
MohammadAGthat way I can restore apps easily after a reflash17:33
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merlin1991hm is there a way to expand a full path like /var/cache/apt/archives to the "real path" ?17:34
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javispedroit is a unix command.17:35
otwieraczjrayhawk: doesn't work…17:35
MohammadAGwouldn't ls -l do that same?17:35
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merlin1991next time I'm just going to hit the right word into the terminal and see if there is a command like it17:36
javispedroMohammadAG: but you break the beatifulness of having actually guessed the command name without knowing =)17:36
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merlin1991MohammadAG: ls -l doesn't17:36
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merlin1991it only shows links in the current dir so you'd have to step trough each directory checking if it leads somewhere else17:37
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otwieraczAt boot time mmcblk0p1 is internat or external card?17:38
MohammadAGis there a way to download from multiple servers?17:39
MohammadAGwhich boot time17:39
otwieraczWhich partition I should give in bootloader.17:39
otwieracz(for Deblet)17:39
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otwieraczBeucase actual is probably wrong.17:40
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zhashaHello there. Is it right that Maemo 5 currently uses GLib 2.20? and if so, why so old?17:43
jrayhawkINT_CARD or EXT_CARD are what you'd want inside the boot menu.17:44
otwieraczBootnig, hell yeah!17:44
otwieraczIt works!17:45
merlin1991I found out why I had no qtcreator anymore17:45
merlin1991meegosdk did write a new .desktop file with the exact name :/17:46
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Venemo_N900good afternoon17:53
mrdonglecan i run maemo5 binary on another omap3 device?17:57
mrdonglecopy the whole OS? :)17:57
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otwieraczjrayhawk: you remember, how to use wpa_supplicant here?17:58
otwieracz(or any other way to configure wifi)17:58
jrayhawkiface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf17:59
jrayhawk        wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf17:59
jrayhawk(That goes in /etc/network/interfaces)18:00
jrayhawkDo you want an example /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ?18:00
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otwieraczI already have done it…18:05
jrayhawkOh good.18:05
otwieraczBut how to Ctrl+C?!18:05
otwieraczping is killing me :)18:05
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ShadowJKzhasha: ii  libc6                       2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m518:08
jrayhawkMaybe it's using /dev/console for STDI/O18:08
zhashaShadowJK: GLib, not glibc18:08
otwieraczI must take off battery…18:08
jrayhawkProbably, yeah.18:08
jrayhawkctrl-c is interpreted by the TTY driver in the kernel; you have to be careful if you're not using /dev/tty*18:09
otwieraczBut Deblet is working.18:09
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otwieraczAnd wifi works.18:09
jrayhawkIf you're lucky, you can find a means of magic sysrqing the process causing problems. I think alt-sysrq-F is OOM killer, for instance. I kinda doubt the n810 has sysrq mapped, though.18:10
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GAN900What's the best Holy Crap You Need To Buy This N9 video so far?18:12
otwieraczjrayhawk: so many dependency problems with e17…18:13
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jrayhawkI suspect if you're using lenny, i suspect fatalsaints e17 packages will be easiest. if you're using squeeze or wheezy or sid, those probably already have e17.18:15
jrayhawki do a lot of suspecting!18:15
otwieraczLenny is here.18:15
grijavispedro: Video blocked in Germany o_O18:16
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SpeedEvil s/record/phone/18:16
otwieraczlibecore-con0, for example.18:16
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otwieraczAnd I'm trying to install e17 from fatalsaints, right.18:18
GAN900javispedro, too bad for you I'm on EDGE. :P18:18
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lcukGAN900, will qoles trick work on harmattan18:20
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MohammadAGjavispedro, use Nyan cat next time, seriously :P18:21
javispedronaah, he's special.18:22
* khertan_ didn't like the harmattan interface18:22
khertan_closing app is a pain18:22
otwieraczI'll try to install lxde…18:26
MoonTigerguys how can i get the qt maemo stuff into qtcreator?18:26
FIQso what is harmattan really18:29
FIQmaemo? meego?18:29
FIQbranded as meego, but i've heard opposite in many places...18:29
jrayhawkI got my post-Lenny pre-Squeeze Deblet userspace working, finally.18:29
jrayhawkI wonder if I dare upgrade all the way to Squeeze.18:30
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MohammadAGwhat trick?18:31
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merlin1991javispedro: I'm having slight troubles following your  install instrucitons18:35
merlin1991I have no /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh18:35
javispedroyou did .deb?18:35
javispedroignore it then, probably was run by postinst script18:35
merlin1991and in sb-menu I can't select the right compilers18:35
merlin1991(to install a new target)18:36
MohammadAGyay last deb18:36
javispedromerlin1991: what do you mean? not listen? did you install the appropiate .debs?18:36
infobotjavispedro meant: merlin1991: what do you mean? not listed? did you install the appropiate .debs?18:36
merlin1991not listed, and yep I've got the feeling I might be missing packages18:36
merlin1991ah sry I didn't install the toolchain debs, my fault18:38
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jogaafter about 3 hours of messing with it, downloading the map of my route using really flaky net and getting a tomtom voice, converting it for marble and installing it, it still failed me :( no voice18:41
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jogafortunately my sister's guy borrowed his iphone with tomtom that worked perfectly, didn't need to touch it once after entering destination, so all went fine ;)18:42
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nokia_apphi all... is there any way i can install the WhatsApp messenger on my n900??18:46
zhashanokia_app: what's wrong with telepathy?18:52
nokia_appi wasn't aware aware of that... let me install it.. will return if i face problems with that.18:52
zhashanokia_app: your N900 ships with it18:53
zhashainstall additional protocol handlers if you need to18:53
nokia_appwell my n900 doesn't have it18:54
zhashado you have the contacts application?18:54
nokia_appas in phone contacts?18:55
zhashago to Settings->VOIP and IM accounts18:55
zhashaand yes, your N900 does have telepathy unless you installed a different OS on it18:55
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nokia_appok i've gone to voip and im accounts.. now hat18:56
zhashaadd your IM accounts18:56
griI think WhatsApp is not a open protocol18:58
nokia_appbut isn't whatsapp like bbm? where u can IM any other phone in the world?18:59
griI think its something proprietary, they have clients for most phones (except maemo)19:00
nokia_appso technically i can't communicate with someone having whatsapp if i use telepathy right?19:01
zhashafor N900, you want to find a telepathy plugin that talks whatsapp then19:01
griIf they don't open the protocol, no19:01
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zhasha and this thing seems to indicate that it just uses XMPP19:01
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nokia_appfor some reason my n900 doesn't have telepathy either.. this is an old phone.. around a year old.. does tht make s difference?19:03
zhashano, and your phone does have telepathy19:03
grinokia_app: Telepathy is the framework which is used for im/phone/sms19:03
griApple Push Notifications is also XMPP and you can't connect to it with other devices than Iphones :)19:04
nokia_appok.. so is there a gui for it?19:04
Venemo_N900nokia_app, sorry I'm late to this discussion... what are you trying to do?19:05
gri"Conversations" is the gui19:05
valdyn_nokia_app: sure it has telepathy19:05
nokia_appVenemo_N900 i was trying to find out if there is an app analogous to the whatsapp messenger for maemo19:06
MohammadAGjavispedro, ping19:06
MohammadAGscratchbox-core: 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-core:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed19:06
Venemo_N900nokia_app, what is whatsapp messenger19:06
valdyn_nokia_app: whatsapp is proprietary, you cannot use 3rd party apps19:06
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javispedroMohammadAG: wth. didn't you said you losed packages while upgrading?19:06
zhashaagain, <-- They say it's just XMPP19:06
javispedroupgrading ubuntu19:06
valdyn_Venemo_N900: its an im system where users are identified by phone number, not some nick or id19:07
nokia_appVenemo_N900 whatsapp is something bbm.19:07
javispedroMohammadAG: you probably need to properly remove the i386 packages19:07
nokia_app*like bbm19:07
Venemo_N900valdyn_, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good19:07
Venemo_N900nokia_app, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good19:08
valdyn_Venemo_N900: and (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope19:08
valdyn_Venemo_N900: *can* (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope19:08
valdyn_Venemo_N900: thats why theres whatsapp / bbm19:08
* javispedro is writing the SDL implementation of his dreams, opengles builtin, no cpu usage when paused, ... =)19:08
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Venemo_N900well, just find contacts from the Contacts or the Conversations app19:09
Venemo_N900what's the big deal?19:09
Venemo_N900it works very well for me19:09
MohammadAGjavispedro, how19:09
valdyn_Venemo_N900: its not about me, its about convenience, im just saying why those products exist19:09
javispedroMohammadAG: "dpkg --purge .."19:09
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Venemo_N900valdyn_, mhm19:09
griVenemo_N900: Its slightly different than IM19:10
zhashavaldyn_: no, but you can merge all your current contacts for the exact same effect. And if it is indeed regular ol' XMPP, you just need to enter the correct XMPP address and you're golden19:10
MohammadAGjavispedro, root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core19:10
MohammadAGdpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core19:10
MohammadAGroot@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core:138619:10
MohammadAGdpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:138619:10
MohammadAGyou'd think I tried that :P19:10
valdyn_zhasha: yea, dont tell me, tell the millions of whatsapp users19:10
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griVenemo_N900: The other side does not need to be online but his/her phone receives a push notification for new messages19:10
javispedroMohammadAG: sadly, I left debian before multiarch stuff was implemented19:10
valdyn_its quite elegant anyway19:11
javispedroMohammadAG: either way, it's "i386", not 1386.19:11
nokia_appso what do u guys suggest??19:11
zhashavaldyn_: anything that doesn't integrate seamlessly all your contacts AND conversations into one place is extraordinarily inelegant19:11
valdyn_nokia_app: you cannot use whatsapp from the n90019:11
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Venemo_N900nokia_app, just use the built-in IM app19:11
zhashait's like having 6 different music players for 6 different music services19:11
MohammadAGdpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:i138619:11
valdyn_zhasha: im not sure why you are telling me that, that is something else19:12
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, there is no such thing as i138619:12
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nokia_appVenemo_N900:but the built in app features only skype, fb, gmail, jabber, sip.19:13
zhashavaldyn_: hardly. telepathy is designed to eliminate that exact problem19:13
MohammadAGI always thought it was 138619:13
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valdyn_zhasha: i like it, sure, but it doesnt solve what whatsapp solves19:14
valdyn_zhasha: ideally telepathy would be able to connect to whatsapp, sure, but it doesnt19:14
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zhashavaldyn_: if it's XMPP, it does19:14
valdyn_zhasha: lets see what google knows19:15 ?19:15
Venemo_N900nokia_app, it also features facebook, gtalk, and more. plus msn if you install it, and more19:15
zhashavaldyn_: I refer you for the 3rd time:
grifoud a german blog who says WhatsApp does not use any encryption .. nice :D19:15
nokia_appVenemo_N900: but if my friends're using whatsapp, i can't use it right?19:18
rdI installed meego on an external ssd and uboot tells me only: wrong image format for bootm command19:18
rdDoes anybody understand what might went wrong?19:18
valdyn_zhasha: not useful19:19
rdit boots maemo, but not meego (using run mmcboot)19:19
valdyn_nokia_app: i cant see anything but official clients being able to connect19:19
nokia_appvaldyn_: ok19:20
grinokia_app: If it helps: WebOS users also have no chance to connect .. :)19:20
valdyn_i cant even recall creating an account for whatsapp, so it has to be using the sim19:21
valdyn_that would have pretty evil implications if someone created a 3rd party implementation19:22
nokia_appgri: i've set up my IM facebook account.. how do i start IMing now? nothing happens after i click sign in19:24
grivaldyn_: Mostly all "app stores" have callbacks when an user installs the application. They receive an unique identifier which gets transmitted to their servers. So even if you decompile the whole android software, you won't be able to register19:24
valdyn_gri: whatsapp isnt necessarily from an app store19:24
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valdyn_gri: would it use sms in that case?19:25
valdyn_gri: im to clueless about mobile networks..19:25
grivaldyn_: You're right ... I've seen the way I described with other services19:25
MohammadAGhow do I unmount scratchbox mounts?19:25
grinokia_app: Your contacts get extended19:26
javispedroMohammadAG: sbox_ctl stop19:26
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, /scratchbox/sbin/sb_conf stop19:26
Venemo_N900or something like that19:26
javispedro/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop19:26
nokia_appyep i just noticed that19:26
grinokia_app: Now you may have duplicate contacts which you can join to one contact19:26
MohammadAGjavispedro, that got removed19:26
javispedroreboot =)19:26
MohammadAGnevermind, I did all unmounts manually19:26
javispedroif you did not umount everything, and you rm -rf /scratchbox, say goodbye to your home.19:27
valdyn_MohammadAG: you can always use umount -l19:27
valdyn_MohammadAG: thats not exactly clean but may be clean enough19:27
MohammadAGjavispedro, too late, did that a year ago19:27
javispedrobest way to learn =)19:27
MohammadAGit removed /dev/* and my server was useless for 2 months19:28
MohammadAGvaldyn_, normal umounts worked19:28
zhashagri, nokia_app: need to install "merge duplicate contacts" for that19:28
Venemo_N900ah yeah19:29
Venemo_N900sbox_ctl and not sb_conf19:29
nokia_appzhasha: ok19:30
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keriolol elop19:31
MoonTigerhmmmmm can anybody help a little with the simulator in qtcreator?19:33
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javispedroif the thing is reallly price over 599 pounds it is going to be like a joke19:34
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MoonTigeror explain why my app doesn't look maemo-ish when running on it?19:35
merlin1991599 POUNDS?19:35
merlin1991MoonTiger: afaik you don't get the maemo styles in the qt simulator19:36
merlin1991at least it used to be like that19:36
MoonTigermerlin1991, ok thnx ... so dialogs etc look like generic desktop dialogs etc?19:36
MoonTigerhow do i include the maemo specific qt headers? if you don't mind me asking ... i cannot seem to find them19:37
mrdongle2javispedro: i saw estimates of $600 for the N919:37
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merlin1991MoonTiger: you might be interested in
MoonTigeruuuugghhh scratchbox :(19:38
MoonTigerbut thnx for the link and help :)19:38
merlin1991hehe, yea scratchbox19:39
MoonTigeri think i'll use the simulator and then the device itself19:40
MoonTigeri use arch 64bit and scratchbox is even more of a bitch on tht19:40
javispedroscratchbox rules19:40
merlin1991javispedro:  :)19:40
MoonTigerjavispedro, really?19:40
MohammadAGjavispedro, I'm getting permission denied on /scratchbox/login19:41
MohammadAGand no run_me_first19:41
javispedroMohammadAG: have you added yourself to sbox group?19:41
MoonTigerMohammadAG, have you tried run-away-screaming?19:41
javispedroMoonTiger: ya really.19:41
MoonTigerjavispedro, i tried to use ot for developing a share plugin and it is a massive fail19:42
javispedroI am NOT listening!19:42
* MoonTiger sighs19:42
MohammadAGscratchbox is a bit more sane than madde imo19:43
merlin1991hm is there an easy way to discover all clients in the local subnet from the commandline with buildin tools?19:43
MohammadAGjavispedro, shouldn't it do that?19:43
* jonwil is currently working on cloning hald-addon-bme19:44
javispedroMohammadAG: I do not think it will add yourself to the group automatically, the question is why you where not added previously19:44
MohammadAG"discoverallclientsinthelocalsubnet", it's a UNIX tool xP19:44
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MohammadAGjavispedro, I was in "sbox" afaik19:45
jonwilSomeone said they wanted a clone of hald-addon-bme earlier...19:45
javispedroMohammadAG: maybe it changed gid, dunno, check it..19:46
merlin1991MohammadAG: fu!19:46
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MohammadAGERROR: You don't have permission to run '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid'.19:47
MohammadAGMaybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group.19:47
MohammadAGbut I just removed myself and added myself to sbox19:47
merlin1991log out and in into your host session19:47
merlin1991trust me19:47
MohammadAG(and started a new shell)19:47
javispedroI'd reboot =)19:47
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jonwil~seen DocScrutinizer19:53
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MohammadAGreboot worked19:54
MohammadAGI get sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory19:54
MohammadAGSBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH not set.19:54
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jonwilAm I the only one who thinks that the touchscreen on the N900 is better than the touchscreen on my families iPhones and HTC Desires?19:55
wmaroneI hate using the capacitive screen on my nook color19:56
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wmarone"did I click the link? No, it clicked the other one near it. Oh wait, it didn't register."19:56
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javispedrojonwil: you are in the latest resistive stronghold19:57
jonwilI never understood why manufacturers prefer capacative over resistive19:58
javispedrosadly, it is soon going to be broken too, with the n9 being capacitive19:58
jonwilResistive seems superior from where I sit19:58
lcukcapacitive is simpler for the touch19:58
GAN900wmarone, or worse: "Did I just click something?"19:59
MohammadAGjavispedro, any ideas? before I rm -rf :P20:00
ShadowJKI'm mistakenly clicking things and dragging things across screen accidentally on my netbook's capaitive touchpad20:00
javispedroMohammadAG: check the target conf (sb-conf show)20:00
MohammadAGsb-conf: Invalid compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm720:01
javispedroyou have: a) deleted the fremantle toolchain (so your fremantle is now broken =) ) b) misconfigured the target20:01
MohammadAGhmm, no softfp compiler20:01
javispedrocodesource 2007 is fremantle20:02
MohammadAGso should work right?20:02
MohammadAGyay, Nokia's servers are giving me 600kb/s20:04
* keithzg shall also miss the resistive screen of the N900, but them's the breaks20:04
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Shapeshifterseems like I'm getting a backup n90020:23
Shapeshiftersomeone's selling one for 200usd, 2 weeks old.20:24
Shapeshiftermaybe that'll motivate me to do some work for it.20:24
mrdongle2way too cheap20:24
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mrdongle2i could sell it for $400 in germany20:25
ShadowJKmrdongle2, even with english keyboard?20:25
mrdongle2partly because of the engl keyboard20:25
mrdongle2they are in short supply here20:25
mrdongle2used one going for $60020:26
Shapeshiftermrdongle2: I know. It's some noob who is probably unhappy with it.20:27
Shapeshifterand nobody wants it.20:27
Shapeshifterwell, at least where she's selling it20:27
MoonTigerif i wanted to have the sql reqd to create the database for my app included in the project can i just add it as "other file" and ref it from the app at runtime?20:28
Shapeshifterby the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page it should be pretty decent.20:28
Shapeshifters/page/page states/20:28
infobotShapeshifter meant: by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page states it should be pretty decent.20:28
MoonTigerShapeshifter, i got one from the US for $300 recently ... perfect condition20:28
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Shapeshifterwell I'm not normally the type to hoard devices but considering it's so cheap... if I get something else, I can still sell it for the same price probably20:30
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mrdongle2nokia could have saved money and put an omap3 in the E7, along with bigger battery20:36
mrdongle2and had a high-end fone for harmattan20:36
Shapeshifter well that's not good yet.20:38
Shapeshifternokia could not have hired elop.20:39
mrdongle2Shapeshifter: some of those things shouldn't rely on SD card20:42
mrdongle2bad chart20:42
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GAN900MeeGo Manhattan20:44
GAN900I'm in favor.20:44
javispedroa paused SDL application that does not even appear in to20:45
javispedroand it doesn't cause pulseaudio to consume the world's reserves of RAM20:45
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javispedrounpause it and pulse quickly goes up to 2% mem 20% cpu again20:45
javispedroGAN900: after hatterman there's nothing better.20:46
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lcuki like it GAN90020:47
lcukbut project_42 is more awesome for a name20:47
ShadowJKmrdongle2, pretty much everything needs I/O20:49
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mrdongle2very nice javispedro20:53
mrdongle2did u issue sigsusp20:53
javispedrono, that is cheating.20:53
mrdongle2then you hacked sdl library?20:53
javispedroI am doing one based on Palm's changes to it20:54
GAN900javispedro iz mad haccr20:54
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javispedroit also comes with neon-enhanced mixer and other niceties =)20:56
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mrdongle2javispedro: do you plan to release it as a CSSU upgrade, or require SDL games to link explicitly to it21:02
javispedroit is not abi compatible.21:03
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valdyn_I just reactivated my N900 and Nokias repositories arent working. Did anything change there?21:04
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valdyn_( repos work fine.. )21:05
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valdyn_mm, guess its my router since this seems to be the only https repos21:07
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ShadowJKdo you have proxy settings on your internet connection for n900?21:11
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ShadowJKI'm not saying you need it, but if you have settings fot http, but not https, it'd break21:12
valdyn_nah, but my router transparently proxies just http, not https21:13
valdyn_that in conjunction with this crap fonero wlan ap.. if repos did not change thats the only possible reason21:14
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infoboti haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer21:49
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haohuihi folks21:57
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haohuiI got a problem when I ran scons in scratchbox221:58
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haohuigcc exit with -11 when it was ran by scons, but it returned successfully when I executed it directly.21:59
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mikki-kunhm, is someelse experiencing, when streaming his webcam to his computer via "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=800,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink" a rather yellowish tone to the stream?22:27
mikki-kun*anbody else --- sorry for the typo22:29
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nid0cant say it's something i've tried22:32
petterimikki-kun: yes, yellowish it is22:33
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mikki-kunpetteri: hm, if the front-cam would give it's blue there it might turn out to be nicely colored (you can test it out just by switching /dev/video0 to /dev/video1 and the width to 640)22:34
petterimikki-kun: sorry, I don't have my n900 here right now22:35
cablopi saw a chat software in a nokia 810 that i wanted to run on my ubuntu22:35
cablopsadly the name is "chat"22:35
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cabloppretty hard to help me to find it22:36
mikki-kuncablop: maybe search with terms regarding the protocols it had, maybe some bugs or trouble you know off and mix that up22:37
mikki-kunjust "chat" is indeed pretty difficult to find :/22:37
cablopi tried that also22:37
cablopto say chat msn or chat yahoo or chat whatever protocol will naturally throw me pidgin, live messenger, skype,22:38
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cablopi mean the official releases22:38
rm_youGeneralAntilles: lulz, i totally had a dream that i got a call about the n950 dev program and then they accepted me, and i was like woo, and then i had another dream that i thought the first thing was a dream but then discovered it was actually not. then i actually woke up, and we're at the present. :P22:40
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rm_youmy life is apparently really boring, so that's the crap i dream about T_T22:41
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javispedroI though that you woke up and you were the president =)22:46
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, that sucks.22:52
GeneralAntillesrm_you, well, it's no worse than dreaming about working the first half of the day then having to wake up and start over.22:52
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rm_youlol T_T22:59
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mikki-kunhm, regarding the yellowish stream the n900 throws... i don't know what happened, but it seems, that as soom as i started the camera app or the flashlight app and then retrying the colors got actually corrected23:05
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GeneralAntillesHoly hell, 1010 comments.23:11
wmaronelots of back and forth23:12
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GeneralAntillesWP7 fans are bizarre.23:13
GeneralAntillesThey're worse than iOS and Android fans.23:13
GeneralAntillesAt least those guys have something to point to as a success.23:14
GeneralAntillesand at least Android has some room for contributors.23:14
GeneralAntillesWP7 are like Tegra fans.23:14
wmaronethey are making the assumption that Microsoft = guaranteed success23:14
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GeneralAntillesWhich certainly hasn't proved correct in the mobile space so far.23:15
GeneralAntillesUS consumers haven't forgotten Windows Mobile.23:15
MohammadAGMicrosoft always = success!23:16
wmaroneI think MS is banking on most modern phone buyers being unaware that WM existed23:16
ruskieconsidering they are calling it 7 buyers will ask... what happened to 1-623:18
wmarone"oh it's just tied to windows 7"23:18
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merlin1991lmao @ the current 2nd comment: "You're all idiots. WP7 is a lot more widespread of an OS than MeeGo"23:20
ruskiemerlin1991, well on a scale of 0 - 0 sure23:21
ruskieit's 0.0 instead of 0.0023:21
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keriothere are probably more meego handset installs than wp7 installs23:21
merlin1991I see ruskie, you're toally right wp7 is the one and only ;)23:21
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foolish91can anyone here point me to a lively computer hardware chat?23:38
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lcukfoolish91, this channel is lively23:47
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lcukeverybody has fun chatting about their iphones and android devices here23:47
foolish91ahh I was thinking more like talk about laptop / notebook spec23:48
DocScrutinizercould some of you plese post here: the output of   >#   md5sum /usr/lib/; plus what's your fiasco version you're using (international|US|...) and the version if not PR1.323:49
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foolish91I just got a sony c series, custom with i7, 6gb ram and 1gb amd graphics. You reckon this is a good set up for the next 2/3 years?23:50
divanwhy there is no curl binary for maemo?23:50
Appiahif there is none , no one made one23:51
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: md5sum /usr/lib/ pr1.3 international23:51
merlin1991ah sry23:52
merlin19916d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae  /usr/lib/
merlin1991terminal fail :D23:52
ekce86_is there some smart command to check which applications who is installed in rootfs and which is installed in opt?23:52
divanI don't believe no one had ever need the curl on N900...23:52
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: yup, that's what I got here as well, now I'd be interested if somebody got some different hash23:52
Appiahthere is libcurl and thats about enough :D23:53
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psycho_oreosfoolish91 > ##hardware23:53
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foolish91psycho_oreos: cheers23:53
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nox-DocScrutinizer, i got the same too (pr1.3 updated from 1.2 as shipped)23:56
DocScrutinizersomebody with USA fiasco willing to run md5sum?23:56
DocScrutinizernox-: veersion?23:56
nox-where do i see that?23:56
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DocScrutinizererr, e.g under settings-about in the lengthy product number23:57
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DocScrutinizerosso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION23:58
DocScrutinizerMR0 is international23:59
nox-yeah its mr023:59

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