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| yigal | or is there some way to X forwarding over ssh for the n8x0 | 00:05 |
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| yigal | http://wiki.maemo.org/X_forwarding_over_ssh | 00:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4216781/TI-cuts-Q2-outlook?cid=NL_EETimesDaily | 00:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) http://twitter.com/#!/MsDeadFolx/status/79657953673744385 | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alecjw: you need ofono, and a dialer frontend using ofono | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, again a twitter URL | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 00:21 |
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| ShadowJK | whoah | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | youtube just gave me a Nokia E7 add | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | ad* | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | Too bad it was in dutch (I don't understand dutch), and the audio was fucked | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, scratch the ad, and it becomes some news | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | It's always news when Nokia Marketing actually does something :P | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Twitter - check trends. | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | again that word >:-( | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://twitter.com/#!/MsDeadFolx/status/79657953673744385 - was a comment to it that amused me | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and an URL, GRRRR ;-) | 03:03 |
| nox- | non-user-replaceable battery... | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | "I keep thinking the #PinkisFreedom trend says, #Penisfreedom" | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | "Retweeted by melliti_oussama and 4 others" | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I defintely won't click on any twitter URL a third time, just to find it shows a blank page after 20s of loading stuff | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | okia Nokia 120 Retweets Pinkify your Facebook with the new #PinkN8 app! http://nokia.ly/kxHGx6 #pinkisfreedom | 03:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer dunks, screams, and runs direction tmo for shelter | 03:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ducks even | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It's in celebration of the N8 being available in hot pink | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | thoughtasmuch | 03:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to praise abill_uk | 03:08 | |
| * nox- remembers a female geek that had pink cat5 cables... | 03:08 | |
| nox- | (or maybe still has :) | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I always thought tmo can't be topped. twitter does that hands down, and NOW IT ENTERS IRC, WAAAHHH | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pink patchcables are geeky though, for girls :-) | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | what colour would your crossover cables be, to match the pink patch cables | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer the glowing variant, where one end shines up when you hold a small flashlight to the other end | 03:12 |
| nox- | heh | 03:12 |
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| cehteh | nox-: http://boingboing.net/2010/03/24/where-bling-and-cabl.html | 03:16 |
| nox- | hehe | 03:17 |
| cehteh | also available as usb, firewire and many more :P | 03:17 |
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| cehteh | just do a image search on google: bling pink cables | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-A-IPOD-DOCKING-GLOWING-CABLE-LIGHTSNAKE-/270680225820?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f05cc781c | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.patchsee-solution.com/de/DE-463?gclid=COysms-Nr6kCFRSVzAodESYOKA | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so my answer is obvious: black cables with small red applications at the ends, plus a flashlight tol modded to have MOAR POWER and blue | 03:32 |
| * SpeedEvil is making a teeny flashlight. | 03:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | Sort of like one of those two li-ion button cell ones. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | two lithium coin cell and a 5mm LED | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | But with a 150mAh li-ion cell and a 3W LED. | 03:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at CNN comments. | 03:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh the darlings. | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen vdvsx | 04:55 |
| infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 117d 7h 22m 47s ago, saying: 'sivang, link is somewhere above'. | 04:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer whistles funeral march and looks at /msg chanserv #maemo-devel list and number of users/traffic | 04:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: like a glass of vodka? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Polishing off a glass of sangiovese at the moment. | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers to all the dead channels then | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Long, slow fall. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fingers crossed for the 21st. | 05:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Smoothed average of maemo traffic over the last little while | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lines/day | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | All-time peak in Dec 10 at 6k, now rising close to that since a lull | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - ignore that | 05:12 |
| Ken-Young | Is the new peak all N-9 speculation? | 05:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | That is traffic * my network-shittiness. | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | As it only restarts a log when I reconnect - I thought it split by days too | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't an easy one-liner to fix the graph, so I'm not going to bother. | 05:14 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, weak sauce. | 05:45 |
| GAN900 | We're all let down now. | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 05:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests going for filesize of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 05:47 | |
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| SpeedEvil | aha | 05:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a pity it's not showing filesize directly | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Monthly lines | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | (with this month multipled by 3) | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that zero for 11/04 now? | 05:52 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, 20k | 05:52 |
| SpeedEvil | excluding joins/parts | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 05:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | For various reasons, I've gone with keeping 6 months of food. | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got similar stats for e.g. #meego(-arm)? | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Disruption of income, plus I can't have a really good idea and blow money on it. | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | No - that was just awk + my local logs | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gotta get some beef, *now* | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 05:57 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to do an electronic inventory. I think I have abut 6Kg of beefburger, and 2Kg of roasting joint | 05:57 | |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, fresh food works better for me. | 06:22 |
| GAN900 | I don't do well at "Use up what's in storage" | 06:23 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I mean stuff like pasta and flour and oil and bacon - stuff that's going to be quite edible for 6 months, and I'm unlikely to stop eating. | 06:24 |
| GAN900 | Ah, yeah. | 06:24 |
| GAN900 | I tend to stock up on such when it goes buy-one-get-one. | 06:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Recently got 26Kg of pasta, as it was half price. | 06:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which helps too. | 06:25 |
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| GAN900 | Cooking for one is still the worst, though. | 06:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. Hence my other defence - cooking _massive pots of delicious stuff, and portioning it. | 06:29 |
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| GAN900 | I never bother to freeze cooked stuff. So it usually means three days of eating the same thing. | 06:31 |
| Termana | good morning | 06:32 |
| fusi[n900] | spent all night trying to get libpurple-twitter-protocol working | 06:32 |
| fusi[n900] | some dood called mikage has an oauth version 0.8.0 | 06:33 |
| fusi[n900] | trying to hack it into compiling | 06:33 |
| fusi[n900] | in esbox :x | 06:33 |
| GAN900 | There's no libdouche? | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | I'm incredibly disappointed by the open source community. | 06:35 |
| fusi[n900] | mm? | 06:35 |
| fusi[n900] | waah nvm time for a reefa then bed o/ | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all hail to B-52's party mix!! | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: But if you do it right, that's 3 (or 15) days spread out at one a week | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | (stil pondering if hunger or 11°C is worse ;-P) | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please stop talking food or I'll gonna shake | 06:56 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, yeah, but I fail. | 07:14 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 11:29 |
| lardman | morning Venemo | 11:41 |
| Venemo | morning lardman | 11:42 |
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| hiemanshu | morning Venemo lardman | 11:52 |
| Venemo | hey hiemanshu :) | 11:52 |
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| lardman | If you have a Boolean expression broken down into a tree structure, can one economise on finding the element states knowing the exact Boolean conditions | 12:24 |
| lardman | yes is the answer, but it means evaluating the state of each child element individually and then using that to save evaluating the next one | 12:24 |
| lardman | hmm, sorry for the noise, started making sense when I started writing it down | 12:25 |
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| lardman | is XOR useful for Proximus? | 12:30 |
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| lardman | right onto rules and how they should be conveyed to the proximus daemon | 13:07 |
| lardman | I'm thinking DBus for the comms, as that will also allow external apps to easily use the service | 13:07 |
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| lardman | in terms of the rules: textual rules like SQL statements is my first thought | 13:07 |
| lardman | any other ideas? | 13:07 |
| * lardman wonders about shortcuts to parser writing and establishing a syntax | 13:09 | |
| RST38h | lardman: What would you like to parse? | 13:12 |
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| lardman | RST38h: rules | 13:15 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:15 |
| lardman | hang on a tick let me find the link | 13:15 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus | 13:15 |
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| lardman | also need to establish names of conditions (like wifi_connected) and also allow users to provide their own | 13:16 |
| RST38h | lardman:Ok, first hint: you do not want syntax that will require your parser to back up and reconsider. | 13:16 |
| lardman | either via DBus commands, or by providing plugins | 13:16 |
| lardman | ok | 13:16 |
| lardman | I should be able to split everything out using brackets for the grouping, then split on boolean operators | 13:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: Second hint: const char *SkipWS(const char *P), const char *Match(const char *P,const char *Word), const char *GetInt(const char *P,int *N) | 13:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: And your parse will look like this: | 13:17 |
| RST38h | const char *Parse(const char *P) { | 13:17 |
| RST38h | P = P? SkipWS(P):0; | 13:18 |
| RST38h | P = P? Match(P,"keyword"):0; | 13:18 |
| RST38h | P = P? GetInt(P,&Arg):0; | 13:18 |
| RST38h | ... | 13:18 |
| RST38h | return(!!P); | 13:18 |
| RST38h | Am I making myself clear? =) | 13:18 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:18 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:19 |
| lardman | I will sit down and have a look at that | 13:19 |
| RST38h | Basically, you want todevelop a bunch of functions that match keywors and extract args | 13:19 |
| lardman | I'm hopful that the parsing should be quite simple, as it will require brackets and Boolean ops to break up things | 13:19 |
| lardman | yes | 13:19 |
| RST38h | Andthen use them in a simple linear fashion I have shown above | 13:19 |
| RST38h | So that it stays very clear and easy tomodify | 13:20 |
| lardman | sounds like a sound plan | 13:20 |
| RST38h | Well, it worked for me, multiple times. | 13:20 |
| lardman | ok, so what about using brackets for grouping and to contain fn arguments? | 13:21 |
| lardman | same brackets, or would I be wise to use different ones? | 13:21 |
| RST38h | goes like this: | 13:21 |
| RST38h | const char *Parse(const char *Text,const char *Terminators) | 13:22 |
| RST38h | when you encounter a bracket, you do this: | 13:22 |
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| RST38h | if(*P=='[') { P=Parse(P+1,"]");P = P? P+1:0; } | 13:23 |
| RST38h | I.e. your parser becomes recursive | 13:24 |
| RST38h | Upper level gets called as Parse(Text,0) (i.e. no additional terminating symbols to match) | 13:24 |
| lardman | ok | 13:25 |
| RST38h | Same goesfor all other types of brackets | 13:25 |
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| * lardman wonders if Qt has a parser inbuilt already | 13:26 | |
| RST38h | Shit, can I somehow develop for Android *without* Eclipse???? | 13:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: hehehe | 13:26 |
| * lardman has to go to a midwife's appointment, bbl to continue | 13:26 | |
| Hurrian | RST38h: read up on what functions are still not removed in Bionic | 13:26 |
| RST38h | What is Bionic? | 13:27 |
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| Hurrian | the replacement for glibc | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | it's google incompatible libc | 13:28 |
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| * RST38h is moreconcerned about how tocompile the damn project | 13:33 | |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: pong (sry, summer parties + metal festivals lead to a lot of lag) | 14:58 |
| achipa | (morning everyone !) | 14:59 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | In marble, what's the left-most button of those 4 good for? the one with 3 roads and an 'i' in the middle. It's always greyed out. Also, how can I most easily send my gps coordinates via sms? | 15:23 |
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| gri | Can I install CSSU in the scratchbox or will it damage my environment? | 15:40 |
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| kerio | gri: hold on, why can't you just copy it? | 15:50 |
| gri | kerio: You mean compiling everything myself? | 15:51 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 15:51 |
| kerio | what's your scratchbox environment? | 15:51 |
| kerio | isn't it a VM? | 15:51 |
| gri | It is | 15:51 |
| kerio | so copy it | 15:52 |
| gri | I just wanted to ask if anyone ever tried before wasting time | 15:52 |
| kerio | and try to install cssu | 15:52 |
| lcuk | Info Notice: Next week, the MeeGo N900 Community edition will be testing direct import of Maemo contacts | 15:52 |
| lcuk | so testing meego for day to day use will be much easier since all your favourite people will be on the device :) | 15:52 |
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| fusi[n901] | yawn | 16:25 |
| fusi[n901] | http://twitpic.com/5adya1 | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Another twitter client? | 16:28 |
| fusi[n901] | no just trrying to get the ibpurple pluginn working | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:29 |
| fusi[n901] | :) | 16:29 |
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| lardman | what would be the normal way of triggering some event on the 2nd of every month? | 16:49 |
| lardman | within an application written using Qt | 16:50 |
| lardman | apparently a QTimer can last ~24 days, so doing weekly events is doable, but things longer than that would presumably use some sort of shorter timer which resets itself as it gets closer? | 16:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, does Qt have signals/slots for the female menstrual cycle? | 16:51 |
| lardman | like the 770's timer iirc which couldn't even manage 24h | 16:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: I thought that was like 28 days?! | 16:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, <pmt> IT CAN BE AS LONG AS I SAY IT CAN BE! </pmt> | 16:52 |
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| lardman | anyway any thoughts? | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | when I asked about similar, isn't there the shell script "at" command | 16:52 |
| lcuk | but I heard it was not implemented on maemo | 16:52 |
| lardman | well there's crond too | 16:52 |
| lcuk | I have in the past just had an app running | 16:52 |
| lcuk | with an icon in the thing near the clock | 16:53 |
| lcuk | and a sleep 1hr/check the date | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | speaking of which, I need to fix liqcalendar | 16:53 |
| lardman | yeah I guess I'll have to do something like that | 16:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, problem with that is | 16:54 |
| lcuk | if user closes it | 16:54 |
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| lardman | if they close it that's fine as it needs to be left running | 16:55 |
| fusi[n901] | lardman: cron? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | that is the point | 16:55 |
| lardman | and if they shut it down they obviously don't want the functionality | 16:55 |
| lardman | fusi[n901]: yeah | 16:55 |
| * lcuk would hope the functionality would be sustained | 16:55 | |
| lcuk | just closing window | 16:55 |
| lardman | this is a daemon | 16:55 |
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| lardman | so they would have to kill it explicitly | 16:55 |
| lcuk | then that is ok | 16:55 |
| lcuk | is this the windows/linux app? | 16:56 |
| fusi[n901] | ah ye u said crond yer | 16:56 |
| lcuk | or specifically maemo | 16:56 |
| lardman | the interesting point then becomes whether to start a single timer for each event, or to use some timer which is a factor of the desired timers | 16:56 |
| fusi[n901] | id use asingle timer | 16:57 |
| fusi[n901] | less resiurce | 16:57 |
| lardman | lcuk: maemo | 16:57 |
| fusi[n901] | but im not a Dr :p | 16:57 |
| lardman | fusi[n901]: well I am, and I'm asking too :) | 16:57 |
| fusi[n901] | hehe | 16:58 |
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| lardman | to use a single timer which is e.g. a daily (assuming I have both daily, weekly and monthly events) would make the logic more complex | 16:58 |
| lardman | but that's trading off against the extra resource use of timer per event | 16:59 |
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| fusi[n901] | could wrap it | 16:59 |
| lardman | probably best to go with the easiest case first | 16:59 |
| fusi[n901] | kiss eh | 16:59 |
| lardman | fusi[n901]: sure, but Qt probably does that already anyway | 16:59 |
| fusi[n901] | fair point | 16:59 |
| fusi[n901] | rightio | 17:00 |
| fusi[n901] | time for me tocrack on with this oauth | 17:00 |
| fusi[n901] | toodlepip | 17:00 |
| lardman | cu :) | 17:00 |
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| MoonTiger | hi guys | 17:02 |
| MoonTiger | does anyone know how to get the damn signond service running on the sbox env? | 17:02 |
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| MoonTiger | ok i give up ... trying to develop for maemo absolutely sucks | 17:30 |
| MoonTiger | what a bunch of complete fucking idiots nokia are | 17:30 |
| MoonTiger | outty | 17:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 17:33 |
| lardman | oh | 17:33 |
| lardman | Well he's not tried developing for Meego yet | 17:33 |
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| lardman | and from what RST38h says Android is a step worse even than that | 17:34 |
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| lardman | I quite fancy a croissant | 17:41 |
| lardman | slightly ot I know | 17:41 |
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| FIQ | Hi. There's info missing in the maemo SDK install page - the scratchbox shell script also requires you to specify a path for scratchbox to be installed to. | 17:58 |
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| Ikarus | FIQ: it's a wiki, fix it :) | 18:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wacky. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I just got a banner ad from nokia pointing me to a n900 on contract | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.nokiadirect.co.uk/Pay-Monthly/sc521/p26078.htm | 18:33 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's a cockup, not reality though | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It does say in-stock on the page - but ... | 18:35 |
| lcuk | shame, I need to get luke a new phone soon | 18:35 |
| fusi[n901] | wtf | 18:35 |
| fusi[n901] | i hope it is a cockup | 18:35 |
| fusi[n901] | bought this simfree only couple of months ago | 18:35 |
| fusi[n901] | 300quid | 18:36 |
| fusi[n901] | and im on tmob | 18:36 |
| fusi[n901] | and due an upgrade | 18:36 |
| fusi[n901] | tried to get b4 but there were none anywhere | 18:36 |
| fusi[n901] | took me ages to find one on theorder.co.uk as clearance | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | why? | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | mine cost the same | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | £25/month | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | on shitty tmobile | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not showing any more. | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | On the nokia shop | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (not the nokia direct site) | 18:38 |
| fusi[n901] | nokiadirect is a sort of frontend i guess | 18:39 |
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| FIQ | hmm | 18:40 |
| fusi[n901] | mmm | 18:40 |
| FIQ | just wondering, what is vdso exactly? | 18:40 |
| FIQ | the maemo SDK didn't work if i didn't put vdso32=0 as boot option | 18:40 |
| fusi[n901] | a nasty infection i hear | 18:40 |
| FIQ | but what IS it? | 18:40 |
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| fusi[n901] | :p | 18:41 |
| FIQ | (x86_64, that is) | 18:41 |
| fusi[n901] | nfi soz | 18:41 |
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| fusi[n901] | waaah dead batt | 18:43 |
| fusi[n901] | o/ x | 18:43 |
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| FireFly | Hm, trying to reflash my N900, but I'm gettitng the "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" error from flasher. I've blacklisted cdc_phonet and rmmoded it (since it was already loaded), but this doesn't seem to help. Are there any other possible causes for this message? | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | you're root? | 19:30 |
| FireFly | Yup | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And you've plugged it directly in, not a hub? | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Some have reported issues | 19:31 |
| FireFly | Hm | 19:31 |
| FireFly | Directly plugged in, though it's plugged to a USB3 port, I just realised.. | 19:31 |
| FireFly | Let me try a USB2 one | 19:31 |
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| FireFly | Nope, same message | 19:32 |
| FireFly | Nope, same message | 19:33 |
| FireFly | oops, up+enter in wrong window.. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you've googled the error? | 19:34 |
| FireFly | Yeah, I did. Only found references to the cdc_phonet module and libusb being outdated | 19:35 |
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| FireFly | It seems my libusb is up-to-date at least | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - no great ideas - it's always just worked for me. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | You could post your n900 to me with a stamped addressed envelope, I'd flash it, and return it. :) | 19:36 |
| FireFly | I think I'll try flashing it from some other computer instead, that'd probably be cheaper.. :P | 19:36 |
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| _trine | FireFly, I dont want to state the obvious but you have kept the 'u' key pressed when you boot the n900 havent you? | 19:41 |
| FireFly | I did | 19:42 |
| _trine | do you see the usb icon in the top righthand corner of the n900 | 19:42 |
| FireFly | Yep, seems to be there | 19:42 |
| _trine | well that means its waiting for the flasher | 19:43 |
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| FireFly | Huh, apparently running flasher after it's in flasher-waiting mode seems to work | 19:44 |
| FireFly | Hopefully I didn't screw anything up | 19:44 |
| _trine | well that should be it | 19:44 |
| _trine | sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 19:44 |
| _trine | or there is a different methos for using on a 64 bit computer | 19:45 |
| _trine | method* | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 19:47 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:47 |
| * _trine flashes but his zip gets stuck :P | 19:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know which funny fool started to call the content of a linux rootfs "firmware" | 20:01 |
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| GAN900 | Blurring the lines. | 20:02 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, probably people like me who flash routers | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one of the criteria of firmware is that it's impossible to alter it by user except for using a special flasher(-device). Evidently the N900 can alter his own "firmware" without needing special means | 20:05 |
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| _trine | well my routers are an halfway house in that respect | 20:06 |
| _trine | insomuch as you flash the firmware and it then creates rootfs_data | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd happily call NOLO and cal firmware code and config data | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe tht's been unparsable | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO and cal I'd happily call firmware code and config data | 20:08 |
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| _trine | well we haven't heard any screams of anguish so FireFly must have succeeded | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously cmt has a firmware by all metrics | 20:10 |
| FireFly | Indeed | 20:10 |
| FireFly | Thanks for the help btw | 20:10 |
| _trine | np | 20:10 |
| _trine | I only operate on extremely low level problems | 20:12 |
| _trine | :) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and iirc our rootfs *has* firmware for WLAN and BT chip | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, the guy minting the title of that article was really ahead of his time regarding nomenclature ;-) >>Opler, Ascher: Fourth-Generation Software. In: Datamation. 13, Nr. 1, Januar 1967<< | 20:20 |
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| khertan | /msg thp Hello, i read on some google group and other obscur mailing list that you was trying to package pyapps for webos, does this app can be distributed by the hp webos store ? | 21:19 |
| khertan | grrrr | 21:19 |
| Sc0rpius | hehe :) | 21:20 |
| khertan | Hello | 21:20 |
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| Monty | hey | 21:23 |
| Monty | testing it over my NDS | 21:23 |
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| khertan | not so bad ... dev palm pré : 277,227409 euros | 21:24 |
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| FIQ | can anyone tell me if i can shut off the automaticilly-checking-for-updates thing? | 21:27 |
| FIQ | it's really annoying | 21:27 |
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| bindi | I read about this | 21:27 |
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| bindi | apparently you cant, but you can change the interval | 21:27 |
| bindi | gconftool -s --type int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval <seconds> | 21:29 |
| FIQ | oh | 21:29 |
| FIQ | changing it to every century seems fair | 21:29 |
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| FIQ | once every century* | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | just remove the applet | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | removing the applet disables the check | 21:30 |
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| FIQ | and the applet is named...? | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: see customizing_maemo wikipage | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think removing applets indiscriminately isn't recommended | 21:37 |
| FIQ | Well, I just incerased it | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might face side effects you can't relate to the applet removal and you won't know how to deal with those | 21:38 |
| FIQ | the check time, i mean | 21:38 |
| FIQ | to 8640000 (didn't know it readed in minutes at first) | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please check the wiki page - there's some upper value that mustn't get exceeded | 21:42 |
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| FIQ | i know it's an int, it is specified in the command | 21:47 |
| FIQ | and i take that as it is an 32-bit signed int | 21:47 |
| FIQ | and i seems to be correct, when i checked the wiki | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, signed is one of the keywords, plus I seem to recall the applet and system blowing chunks on some arbitrary upper limit exceeded - I might be wrong | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there also might be issues this int being represented binary coded decimal somewhere, so sth like a max of 9999 for a value of bitsize sufficient for 32768... whatever, you'll see | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in tech speak we call this 4.5 digits | 21:55 |
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| * MohammadAG gives KDE a try, Gnome sucks on Ubuntu 11.04 | 22:12 | |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | also I love ubuntu forums, rm -rf ~/.gconf2/apps/whatever was posted as rm -rf ~/ .gconf | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | luckily I noticed the space and CTRL^C'd quickly, I'm guessing I lost some stuff though | 22:16 |
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| MohammadAG | moo RST38h | 22:16 |
| RST38h | nice advice! | 22:16 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: how's KDE then? | 22:20 |
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| hiemanshu | KDE is awesome | 22:23 |
| hiemanshu | only problem with KDE, they haven't fixed the KWin, Intel issue, so it won't run on my desktop :/ | 22:23 |
| hiemanshu | s/desktop/laptop/ | 22:23 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: only problem with KDE, they haven't fixed the KWin, Intel issue, so it won't run on my laptop :/ | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, seems fun to use | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | transitions are quite neat | 22:38 |
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| lardman | does that require something to be installed? | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG | sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 22:43 |
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| trumee | is there any program on N900 which can encrypt my text file? | 22:44 |
| andre__ | encrypt like...? ROT-13? | 22:47 |
| lardman | thanks MohammadAG | 22:47 |
| trumee | andre__: something which can password protect the file. | 22:49 |
| trumee | andre__: i want to save personal info in the text file like bank accnt numbers etc | 22:49 |
| andre__ | I remember that there was some tool that I once tested... hmm, what was the name... | 22:50 |
| andre__ | passwordsafe maybe? | 22:50 |
| trumee | andre__: pySafe? | 22:50 |
| andre__ | hmm, not exactly what you are looking for | 22:50 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a built-in program named gpg | 22:51 |
| trumee | psycho_oreos: ah, gpg would do it. thanks for the reminder | 22:54 |
| psycho_oreos | nw | 22:54 |
| andre__ | uh, gpg is built in? | 22:55 |
| psycho_oreos | afaik it is, its required at least by apt-get | 22:55 |
| andre__ | crap. and I never realized. sigh :-( | 22:56 |
| trumee | andre__: me too :) | 22:56 |
| * andre__ closes https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4192 | 22:56 | |
| povbot | Bug 4192: GPG/PGP support | 22:56 |
| psycho_oreos | we all learn someting new | 22:56 |
| andre__ | ah damn, that ticket is only about email. | 22:57 |
| * andre__ shuts up | 22:57 | |
| MohammadAG | I'd guess so, for apt at least | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: stay away from buntkuh, it's for lusers | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | real men don't use buntkuh, hell they refuse to even touch it | 23:28 |
| GAN900 | :((( | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what do you expect when a billionaire "buys" (read hijacks) linux to form it to sth where he's the emperor? | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Is "buntkuh" some form of 12 year old's "humorous" slagging off of Ubuntu? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>of course each fresh CD-RW you buy at any shop now comes with a install copy of buntkuh, but we're not forcing anyone to anything, you're still free to use the distro you like<< | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: is it your age and the unwillingness to wear glasses that makes you think you need to insist in my age being 12? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: no, it's just a common error my auto spellchecker does each time I try to write buntkuh | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, did it again | 23:41 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I didn't say you were 12, I asked if "buntkuh" was the sort of thing a 12 year old would come up with when trying to rearrange the letters of Ubuntu to be close to "but[t] cunt". | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | buntkuh is an unusual other German word for fleckvieh, a checkered cow | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also there's the idiom of "known like a colored cow" in german, which is "bunte kuh" | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I see. | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you see my spellchecker has quite a bit if wit | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | of* | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially since there's the notorious Kubuntu which sounds like "Kuh bunt (uh)" here | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever... http://xkcd.com/424/ | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and anyway, google buntkuh, google fleckvieh is your friend | 23:58 |
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