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| javispedro | 'Honestly, only 1 out of 500 customers comes in here asking for a Windows phone,' he said. 'Verizon won't roll them out to kiosks until it performs better on the market.' | 00:16 |
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| kerio | hmm... best overall s60 phone? | 00:16 |
| kerio | i'm undecided between n95 and 6120c | 00:17 |
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| nid0 | e90 | 00:21 |
| hiemanshu | 6600 | 00:21 |
| hiemanshu | nothing could beat it | 00:21 |
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| kerio | hiemanshu: hahaha no | 00:26 |
| kerio | something *good* | 00:26 |
| kerio | nid0: the e90 is not s60, come on | 00:27 |
| kerio | i mean, technically yeah | 00:27 |
| nid0 | it shouldnt be s60, but it is | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | old N-Gage | 00:27 |
| kerio | you guys are making this hard | 00:27 |
| kerio | best overall s60v3 phone? | 00:27 |
| nid0 | e90 by miles, still :D | 00:28 |
| hiemanshu | kerio: N73? | 00:28 |
| hiemanshu | kerio: N85? | 00:28 |
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| hiemanshu | N82? | 00:28 |
| kerio | the n73 is a candybar n95 without the good camera | 00:28 |
| hiemanshu | well actually | 00:28 |
| javispedro | the nokia c3 gold plated edition | 00:28 |
| kerio | the n85... hm, maybe | 00:28 |
| hiemanshu | I own a N82 | 00:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: WP7 isn't exactly a bestseller, indeed | 00:29 |
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| RST38h | Anyone who sends or posts an image online (and yes, that includes TwitPics) that they "reasonably should know" would "cause emotional distress" could face several months in jail and thousands of dollars in fines. [in Tennessee] | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: so, will Nokia tank after or before shipping the first harmattan device? place your bets, gentlemen! | 00:32 |
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| nid0 | the moron senator that thought that one up causes me great emotional distress over the devolution of these wonderful things called "common sense" and "intelligence", and therefore should go to jail | 00:32 |
| RST38h | javis: you think Nokia will ship harmattan device? | 00:33 |
| RST38h | nid0: send him the tubgirl! | 00:33 |
| hiemanshu | send him ascii goatse | 00:33 |
| hiemanshu | and the real one | 00:33 |
| hiemanshu | and ask em to compare? | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: I do believe, that, eventually, they will at least try to ship once... otherwise the clusterfsck increases by an order of magnitude. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/06/10/1936237/Windows-Phones-Getting-Buried-At-Carriers-Stores | 00:36 |
| RST38h | javis: so far looks like everyone has abandoned the ship | 00:36 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 00:36 | |
| javispedro | a few words more by elop and this goes directly into history books | 00:36 |
| * RST38h likes this one better: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/06/10/1919203/Australian-Built-Hoverbike-Prepares-For-Takeoff?utm_source=rss1.0&utm_medium=feed | 00:36 | |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders the truly amusing prospect of M6 outselling W7. | 00:36 | |
| RST38h | javis:it will already go to the history books | 00:37 |
| RST38h | javis: looks like WSJ reported on Samsung trying to bid on Nokia =) | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (regrettably unlikely - but...) | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | Speed: I kinda suspect M5 will outsell W7 :) | 00:37 |
| javispedro | one thing is for sure: s60 will outsell w7 =) | 00:38 |
| RST38h | yeah | 00:38 |
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| javispedro | asus has gone berserk, they now make virtually everything that could be made. a 3d glasses free ebook reader? check. "padfone?" check. | 00:40 |
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| RST38h | if they only made it in good quality... | 00:40 |
| RST38h | asus still not making digital camers though, samsung does, shitty ones | 00:40 |
| javispedro | "Eee Videophone" | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | EEEEeeeee shower - the heater works half the time | 00:42 |
| * javispedro now realizes that the EEE is kinda a pun on the _i_Devices =( | 00:42 | |
| user0 | any list of bugs for the Maemo 5/PR1.3 ? | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | eee was first wan't it? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | user0: yes | 00:43 |
| user0 | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Maemo%20Official%20Applications&classification=Maemo%20Official%20Platform&resolution=FIXED&target_milestone=5.0%2F%2820.2010.36-2%29&order=map_products.name%2Cbugs.bug_id | 00:43 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: earlier than ipod? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | !bug 10 | 00:43 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10 Missing sample application for libOSSO | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: err - probably not | 00:43 |
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| user0 | SpeedEvil : thats for the list of fixed bugs | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | user0: It's not - it's for the list of all reported bugs | 00:44 |
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| user0 | i was talking about the link i pasted | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - you need to fiddle with your serarh | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | so you get all bugs | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content= | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 00:46 |
| user0 | im viewing it now | 00:47 |
| user0 | big fuckn list | 00:47 |
| javispedro | what did you expect | 00:48 |
| javispedro | this is an entire OS... | 00:48 |
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| user0 | SpeedEvil : nokia planning on releasing anything beyond PR1.3? | 00:49 |
| user0 | or is it known to be the last | 00:49 |
| user0 | javispedro : true. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | They are releasing one new 'meego' device. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Which isn't really meego. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be happening in the next couple of weeks. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | At least - they've said so. | 00:50 |
| javispedro | na, the rumour comes from the fcc disclosure date | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (they've said they're releasing it - not that ti'll be released in the next couple of weeks) | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that | 00:51 |
| javispedro | ah. | 00:51 |
| javispedro | so | 00:51 |
| * lardman crosses his fingers for a release in the next few weeks | 00:52 | |
| user0 | javispedro : the one that talked about the meego developers edition ? | 00:52 |
| javispedro | while we're at it. do I have to start stocking cyanide pills, to distribute when june passes by with no new devices? | 00:52 |
| user0 | thats what you mean by fcc? | 00:52 |
| lardman | Federal something Commission | 00:52 |
| user0 | :S | 00:52 |
| javispedro | user0: I have no other information than what was posted on the fcc. | 00:53 |
| lardman | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/11/nokia-rm-680nokia-n950n9-passes-fcc-looks-like-the-qwerty-n9-leaked-from-last-year/ | 00:53 |
| lardman | links to it | 00:53 |
| lardman | first hit on Google for "fcc n950" | 00:53 |
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| user0 | SpeedEvil : so this means all we have now is the community ssu update? | 00:54 |
| lardman | night all | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | user0: There is the meego desktop environment. | 00:54 |
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| user0 | but they aren't planning for PR1.4 | 00:54 |
| user0 | and this meego has no apps yet | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I would put the likelyhood of a nokia update to the N900 as about equally likely to be WP7, PR1.4, and gnu hurd. | 00:55 |
| user0 | a few i'd guess | 00:55 |
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| user0 | SpeedEvil : i watched this presentation yesterday regarding the meego developers edition for the n900 | 00:56 |
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| user0 | you cant tell if its gona work out in the end | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: I hope the blogger will pay royalties fir that URL, as that's what I said after 5min | 00:56 |
| user0 | its like they just want developers to be able to develop for the OS using a device thats available atm | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | user0: Exactly | 00:57 |
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| user0 | waste of time installing meego atm | 00:58 |
| user0 | unless someones willing to help out | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user0: that's exactly the point | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | http://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/status/79270983592194049 "Nokia N9 revealed!" | 01:17 |
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| PolarFox | In twitter, must be true. | 01:17 |
| bindi | >.< | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The tune is wrong | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRRRRR | 01:19 |
| javispedro | :D | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | next one luring me into clicking this FSCKING twitter URLs that gibe we a blank screen after loading some 100 pics | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | give me* | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: evidently, it is a fake. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | come back when you got a page that actually loads | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I won't move to MSIE for watching sites that are too stupidly maintained to work with arbitrary browsers | 01:23 |
| nox- | haha that just links to http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tune=IAYRjAFHKOSQ4hRCiFHKIeQogRAjjAHAUAoARhjEnJOEcI4QggA* | 01:24 |
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| nox- | on freebsd too :P | 01:24 |
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| user0 | .. | 01:42 |
| nox- | hm | 01:43 |
| nox- | i guess that sounded more harsh than it was meant | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: what? | 01:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer fails to sense harsh words, except own bitching against twitter | 01:52 | |
| Shoruken | WOT | 01:52 |
| nox- | heh ok | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I admit I sometimes fail on social skills though | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i was arguing with somebody on irc saying that N900 is low end device because it has resistive touchscreen and it doesn't cost as much as samsung galaxy S | 01:55 |
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| Shoruken | i hate getting into an anecdote when alluva sudden a word containing P or F causes a fountain of spittle to erupt. | 01:57 |
| nox- | haha | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so what? If you're not afraid of some dudes not getting the sarcasm... | 01:57 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: he was being serious | 01:58 |
| javispedro | this conversation is kinda surrealist, am I missing messages or something? | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | and another stupid thing i've seen today | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, *he* said that | 01:58 |
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| jacekowski | i got an e-mail from somebody and his signature was looking like that --\nName Surname\ne-mail address - \n are newlines for people not knowing | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | what's the point of having e-mail address in e-mail signature | 01:59 |
| nox- | hah | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | because modern email clients hide the email address in the header | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the world goes apeshit | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: for last 100 years | 02:00 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: No Fat Chicks? | 02:00 |
| nox- | ShadowJK may be onto something... | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: outlook doesn't | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | National Fake Control | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: opera doesn't | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's because users must get protected from such nasty details like true pathnames, email-addr, etc | 02:02 |
| nox- | that reminds me of.. http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/some-people-cant-read-urls/ | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: users are supposed to click "Answer", "Add to Contacts", whatever. So what's the friggin use of placing the email addr into signature so all these brilliant concepts fail and users' eyes will bleed from looking at it? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | </sarcasm> | 02:03 |
| javispedro | users are supposed to click Reply _to ALL_ | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | With a convenent 'reply to all in your list' button too, that will mail everyone in your contacts list the email. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, rather than adding my email to signature I'd maybe better should add a replyto:billsucks@ms.com | 02:05 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: exactly | 02:06 |
| javispedro | but it might not be needed because the email they are reapplying is already a spammy powerpoint thingie | 02:06 |
| javispedro | containing most of their contacts | 02:06 |
| javispedro | s/reapplying/replying | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, the "to: <list of all my contacts - THANKYOU asshole>" mails | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | now only make each of the recipients click "Add All To Contacts" and HOORAY | 02:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders oiling the rifles | 02:09 | |
| * javispedro ponders what to buy in amazon so as to get free shipping | 02:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | buy "free shipping" ;-P | 02:10 |
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| ds3 | a 32G Class 10 microSD card | 02:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer sets up an ebay auction selling "feee shipping" to the highest bid | 02:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | free even | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there anything else bizarre we could talk about? | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG | ds3, do those even exist? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard there are now | 02:13 |
| Hurrian | ugh, when's the 64GB card coming out? | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | how many body parts will that cost me? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | well NFI about class10 | 02:14 |
| ds3 | MohammadAG: 32G does... donno about the class 10 part | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | was more interested in the class 10 part :p | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | classX is a fake anyway | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so never mind | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | btw, having songs on a uSD loads them marginally faster | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | no real benchmarks | 02:15 |
| ds3 | not completely | 02:15 |
| ds3 | an unclassed card was painfully slow compared to a class4 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all practical purposes it is | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask ShadowJK | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | so MeeGo isn't practical | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's never been a discussed issue, of course it's not practical ;-P | 02:16 |
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| ds3 | can MeeGo talk to the radio yet? | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:16 |
| ds3 | have to ask =) | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real FM radio? | 02:17 |
| ds3 | no, the above 1GHz radio that is neither WiFi or BT | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, think they can, somewhat | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "even" SHR can | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | since quite some time | 02:17 |
| ds3 | and do 3G data? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | since a few fays we got semi-decent audio too for calls ;-P | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | days* | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not released yet though | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | I think it can do 3G yeah | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it can do GPRS then it can do 3G | 02:19 |
| javispedro | fee shipping! | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | Actually, class X isn't fake as such. It's a perfect measurement of what kind of performance you can expect if you set your digital camera to rapidfire ;p | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | but that's about the only place it's relevant | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know if MeeGo QA used a Kingston or Transcend, but apparently it randomly "doesn't work" | 02:22 |
| javispedro | "randomly doesn't work" is a phrase I've heard many times with the current state of afairs in meego n900, sadly. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | do we start to guess about root cause of that now? Nah, better not | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | I'm giving meego another chance | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | now I'm wondering what I should try | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | meego-tablet or handset | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | and after that, de-sanity or de-acceptance | 02:24 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: simple: reduced manpower. needs way more contributors, and specially testers with experience | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | try tablet, a fast one. Less chances for races | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well... a) Kingston only pretends to have read the SD spec b) there's some funny mmc timing code in maemo's kernel atleast | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't that be a in- and un-? | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Kingston cards have issues elsewhere too due to randomly not responding in the 250ms the spec requires | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I won't answer this as I opted not to "act erratically" once again. See my advice to MohammadAG for a clue what I think is the true root cause | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: but how they do it | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: if they are not even making them | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: they are only assembly company | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | buy off the shelf flash chip, controller put it together and sell | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | and that's all they doing | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | it needs less QML imo | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | with same controllers and flash chips everybody else is using | 02:27 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: they can _choose_ the controller | 02:27 |
| javispedro | (and go bankrupt =) ) | 02:27 |
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| jacekowski | javispedro: there are only so many controllers available | 02:27 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, they aren't assembly company either | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I bet each company has their own flavour of the controller firmware | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | they actually also have their own controller (in cooperation with someone else, I forget who). It's beyond crap | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | repository.maemo.org giving me 500kb/s, I'm actually impressed | 02:29 |
| javispedro | it's akamai | 02:32 |
| javispedro | specially static files like .debs | 02:32 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, meego image | 02:39 |
| Thordasin | hi all, i'm blind and working on a project to make my n900 talk. is anyone here familiar with u-boot? | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | just ask I guess, though #meego would be a better place for uboot/meego related issues | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | or #meego-arm, not sure | 02:41 |
| javispedro | actually #meego-arm | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | thanks javispedro | 02:41 |
| Thordasin | i asked on meego-arm the other day and they really didn't have an answer for me. | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Thordasin: What's your u-boot question? | 02:43 |
| Thordasin | i was told to go to #maemo that there were some sharp guys over there :) | 02:43 |
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| javispedro | it must be quite a hard question :) shoot. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | hm. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | hmrpf. | 02:43 |
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| Thordasin | don't know what just happend :) | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | asking here wouldn't hurt I guess | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | What's your u-boot question? | 02:44 |
| Thordasin | i have it built and working but it wants to load from the sd card, i have my debian rootfs on the emmc, how do you change the boot device? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a queation MohammadAG should be able to answer | 02:46 |
| Thordasin | the readme talks about bootargs, but i can't find the file where they set them. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG made his device boot meego from eMMC | 02:46 |
| Thordasin | yes thats the built in 32gb | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Thordasin last time I asked ali1234 he said he couldn't get uboot to read the eMMC | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I use flasher-3.5 -k image -l -b "custom cmdline" | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 02:47 |
| Thordasin | which means you get maemo normal if you power off and back on right? | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | I couldn't get the kernel to recompile with my custom cmdline | 02:48 |
| Thordasin | i tried to flash the debian kernel to the phone but its too big. :) | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | actually I couldn't get it to compile | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | load it manually | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | I don't think it goes in the flash, I got a 4MB kernel loaded once | 02:49 |
| Thordasin | i've worked on building a kernel for almost a week now with no luck. i can build it no problem but the phone won't load it it powers off or reboots. | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | it was 2.6.35, was trying to get it on maemo (ha) | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | of course, I couldn't get past mounting the ubifs | 02:49 |
| javispedro | I would reconsider if you really need a custom kernel, specially if you want to run debian. | 02:49 |
| Thordasin | why not take the meego-2.6.37 kernel? | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | that would probably be the watchdog not the kernel | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't exist back then | 02:50 |
| Thordasin | ahh | 02:50 |
| Thordasin | javispedro: what do you mean? | 02:50 |
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| Thordasin | by the way ou guys need to remeber as i'm blind when several people talk i'll miss messages *grin* | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | (sorry to hear that) | 02:51 |
| javispedro | Thordasin: what do you want to get with the new kernel? maybe you do not need it; Debian will probably run fine with the stock kernel. | 02:51 |
| Thordasin | speakup | 02:52 |
| Thordasin | and tty | 02:52 |
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| ShadowJK | But then Kingston is also known for taking anyone's surplus cards, flash, controllers, etc and branding them as their own | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | Thordasin, are you in R&D mode? | 02:53 |
| Thordasin | i don't think so | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | cause whether it's the stock kernel, or the meego kernel, or a custom one, it'll shut off in 30/60/120s | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | unless you ping the watchdog | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | fun times, look at http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 02:54 |
| Thordasin | oh, well what hapens is the uboot loads ther kenel and it gets down to starting kernel... then it powers off | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | you'll need no-omap-wd | 02:54 |
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| MohammadAG | MeeGo pings the watchdog afaik | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | You don't (I'm 99% sure you don't :p) | 02:54 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 <- about kingston :P | 02:55 |
| Thordasin | MohammadAG: wouldn't i get more boot messages before it powered off if it was the watch dog? | 02:56 |
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| ShadowJK | uh | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | If you dont ping the hardware watchdog, it will think the operating system is dead. It makes no effort to talk to something dead, and reboots the system | 02:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Thordasin, no idea, I'd give R&D mode a shot | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | <ShadowJK> If you dont ping the hardware watchdog, it will think the operating system is dead. It makes no effort to talk to something dead, and reboots the system | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | since you missed that :p | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: actually after NOLO loads uBoot you got some 30s to start up the kernel and system and start to ping watchdog, otherwise it simply reboots | 03:01 |
| Thordasin | sorry guys it will take a minute to review message, i got stuck in something called chanserv and couldn't get out of it. | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: ooops, chanserv is a bot that's master of this channel | 03:04 |
| Thordasin | ohh well i finally hit excape and it closed | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: as of all freenode channels actually | 03:04 |
| Thordasin | if the phone reboots its the wqatch dog, is that true if it powers off? i've had both happen this week. | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | may happen as well | 03:05 |
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| Thordasin | ok can i have that r&d link again please | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm unsure about what decides if it powers down or reboots | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 03:05 |
| Thordasin | do you guys want me to come back and tell you if i get this kernel working? it builds just fine. | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are welcome any time | 03:06 |
| Thordasin | THANKS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MORE HELP IN 5 MINTUESTHAN THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE MEEGO-ARM IN THE PAST WEEK. | 03:07 |
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| MohammadAG | you're welcome :) | 03:08 |
| Thordasin | OK I'M SWITCHING WINDOWS TO READ THAT CATCH YOU IN A BIT :) | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | that's funny considering meego-arm says #maemo is a useless wasteland :P | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yeah, not impressed by that crowd. | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: hint: your capslock is set ;-) | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, might be something to help with his eyes :/ | 03:10 |
| Thordasin | OOPS THANKS :) | 03:11 |
| Thordasin | better :) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nah, it just reads similar on some MMI | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hey did I tell you about that fancy Li-Ion charger I ordered? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | fancy feature to measure battery internal resistance | 03:12 |
| Hurrian | anyone else here surprised that the n900 had a fm transmitter? | 03:14 |
| nox- | Hurrian, its for audio thru car radios etc | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | nope :P | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | Also, it came with a bonus internal short circuit somewhere after the output stage. I did wonder "wtf" when it complained about input voltage being bad, considering my source wwas good for 50A @ 12V. I checked cables to eliminate bad contacts and retried repeatedly while wiggling cables. Then it went bang and started smoking. Fortunately it has a fan, and turned it on to blow all the smoke in my face | 03:15 |
| Hurrian | i seriously didnt know that it had an internal fmtx | 03:15 |
| Hurrian | and that you cant use fmrx by default | 03:15 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: haha | 03:15 |
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| ShadowJK | china \o/ | 03:15 |
| Thordasin | acidently closed :) did i hear some one say the fmt does not work? | 03:16 |
| Thordasin | i was going to read the scroll back but acidently closed the window :) | 03:17 |
| javispedro | Thordasin: he was just surprised that the N900 had one. | 03:17 |
| javispedro | Thordasin: (a FM Radio transmitter, that is) | 03:17 |
| Thordasin | oh ok thought some said it had a short :) | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | the FMTX has epic quality if you're in a clear area actually | 03:18 |
| Thordasin | yes thats one reason i got it, i use fmt to listen to books all the time | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | anyone ever looked into speech recognition engines? | 03:19 |
| Thordasin | i own several bluetooth to fmt's and wanted my phone to just have it! | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | would've been fun to measure IR of my puffed BP-4L and my useless BP-4L :-/ | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | I want a simple car mode for the N900, something that can fire up my music with one click, route calls to bluetooth/fmtx | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | something I can remember without having to look at the N900 | 03:20 |
| Thordasin | a while back i did, i mean i worked for 15 years for the irs in the adaptive equipment office and we used dragon all the time, but in linux there are a few gpl'd apps but i'm not sure how good they are hmm one of them had ear in the name | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | confirmation by saying Yes/No to the N900 would be nice | 03:20 |
| Thordasin | i'd love to work in mae mor but i never could get that hildon test swuit to compile | 03:22 |
| Thordasin | its something you can use to query the objects and focus in the hildon interaface | 03:22 |
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| Thordasin | sorry about the typoes guys i just miss them some times. | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | no worries | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1026650&postcount=1 | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | oh wow, seriously? | 03:23 |
| Thordasin | do you need both the wd flags? | 03:25 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd give it all 3 | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | the lifeguard and two wds | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | they're comma separated afaik | 03:27 |
| Thordasin | 3 i only saw 2 let me read again :) | 03:27 |
| Thordasin | ok got it | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | no-lifeguard-reset (though I think that's a maemo software watchdog, it doesn't hurt to try) | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sorry, reading backscroll, had some battles going on in my garden (drunk assholes and police) | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG | damn, dropped my N900 with the USB plugged in again | 03:28 |
| Hurrian | okay guys, one question, did you ever notice on a stock N900, the USB connector is ever so slightly higher on one side? | 03:29 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, "it's complicated" | 03:29 |
| Hurrian | after reading every single page of the long-ass USB thread, i looked at my connector | 03:29 |
| Hurrian | "oh wow, it's slightly bent" | 03:30 |
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| Hurrian | >commence freak out | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (speech recog) pocketsphinx | 03:30 |
| Hurrian | although i heard on TMO that they're not really attached straight on | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (s2t) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72565 | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: USB is soldered rather poorly, both on adjustment and proper soldering | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: a "bent" USB may indicate it has an immanent problem that may cause complete failure way more easily | 03:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer even thinks 90% of those coming-off incidents are caused by poor soldering | 03:37 | |
| Hurrian | uhh, not "bent" as in it wiggles a lot | 03:37 |
| Hurrian | bent as in one side is higher by 1/10ths of 1mm | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, just slightly non-parallel to the case | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | they seem to fail to press the component all the way down to PCB when soldering | 03:38 |
| Hurrian | of all components, nokia decides to screw up the charging/data transfer port | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | making for a gap between PCB mech support pads and the support levers, which is more or less filled with solder then | 03:39 |
| Hurrian | guess i better encase the USB port with hot glue | 03:39 |
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| Hurrian | under, over and on the sides | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't help a lot | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't help at all actually | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | if it's gonna break, it's gonna break | 03:39 |
| Hurrian | yowch | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | this is the 5th fall of my N900 with the USB in | 03:40 |
| nox- | next time charge it on the floor? :) | 03:40 |
| Hurrian | and nokia still doesnt want to answer what batch they fixed it? | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | nox-, letting it fall is better than stepping on it | 03:41 |
| nox- | well, under the sofa then or something | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | just sayin | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | mine's a December batch (2nd one I think) | 03:41 |
| Hurrian | dec 2009? | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | December 18th if I remember correctly | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | it was out of stock before that | 03:42 |
| nox- | how do you find that out? i think mine doesnt at least need much force un/plugging the usb if thats the same problem... | 03:42 |
| Hurrian | mine was made in mid-feb 2010, and was in storage for a very, very long time | 03:43 |
| Hurrian | i bought it in mid-feb 2011 | 03:43 |
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| MohammadAG | nox-, it was out of stock, so it surely came in a new batch | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | and it hasn't fell out - yet | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | fallen*, whatever | 03:44 |
| Thordasin | this is wierd it says there is no no-retu-wd flag | 03:44 |
| nox- | MohammadAG, well i only remember some ppl having issues needing much force un/plugging, and then breaking the connector that way... | 03:45 |
| Hurrian | nox- , are you pulling the usb with your nondominant hand around the N900, and 2/3 fingers from your dominant hand around the USB connector? | 03:45 |
| Hurrian | i find that by doing it that way, i reduce the amount of force needed to pull it out | 03:45 |
| nox- | hmm | 03:46 |
| nox- | mine doesnt need much force either way... | 03:46 |
| Hurrian | and from my experience with the N95's AV-out cable, pulling the cable is a very bad idea | 03:46 |
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| nox- | yeah always better to grab the plug not the cable | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, two N900s here, the new requires more force in the same way | 03:47 |
| nox- | oh | 03:47 |
| Hurrian | what's the new one's hw revision? | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | 1) the charger's two pins or whatever (clips?) get weaker | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | both are 2101 | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | ah | 03:48 |
| nox- | how do you check the hw revision again? | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | cpuinfo | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | 2) whatever clips on the inside gets weaker | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | MAG, i can confirm that 1) is true | 03:48 |
| nox- | 2204 | 03:49 |
| Hurrian | the charger cable's pins are squishy, unlike the usb data cable which is still strong | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 | 03:49 |
| Hurrian | for obvious reasons, you know why ;) | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG | the data cable is actually weaker than the charger for me | 03:50 |
| Hurrian | MAG: reflashing a lot? :) | 03:50 |
| Hurrian | DocS: did he scratch out a line on the PCB? | 03:51 |
| nox- | confirmed, data cable needs a little more force | 03:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Hurrian, 28 times when I was a noob :p | 03:51 |
| nox- | :) | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | MAG: i'm seriously tempted to disable watchdogs | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG | been in R&D mode since umm, June | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG | or was it April | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, what, press down components? I thought they ust placed them on the board and let the boards sit outside in the sun for awhile | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG | 2010 of course | 03:52 |
| Thordasin | i can't get the flasher-3.6 to toake the no-retu-wd flag? anyone know why? | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I think that's exactly what they do ;-D | 03:53 |
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| Thordasin | is it ok to paste my small script here so you guys can tell me if i have a typo? | 03:54 |
| Hurrian | ShadowJK : XD | 03:54 |
| Hurrian | i actually laughed in real life | 03:54 |
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| Hurrian | it's funny, because it's probably true | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: anything >10 lines will get you in severe troubles | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | no its about 8 | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | #!/bin/bash | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | arg1="--enable-rd-mode" | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | arg2="--set-rd-flag=no-lifeguard-reset" | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | arg3="--set-rd-flag=no-omap-wd" | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | arg4="--set-rd-flag=no-retu-wd" | 03:55 |
| Thordasin | sudo flasher-3.5 $arg1 $arg2 $arg3 $arg4 | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually 3 lines are considered max paste, I'd like to accept 10 in this case | 03:55 |
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| MohammadAG | --set-rd-flags=flag1,flag2,flag3 afaik | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: you need to use -set-rd-flag= only once | 03:56 |
| ShadowJK | Some days the sun doesn't shine. That's why USB ports fall out of N900s for no apparent reason | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly what MohammadAG said | 03:56 |
| Thordasin | well itworks on the first two, its only reject arg4 | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | --set-rd-flag without parameters gives a list of known ones | 03:57 |
| Thordasin | oh really | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, forgot that one | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the wiki may be wrong | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | easily | 03:58 |
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| Thordasin | thats why the web site is wrong | 03:58 |
| Hurrian | k guise, g2g, see you all tomorrow. | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually have a hrd time figuring what's retu anyway | 03:58 |
| Hurrian | and on a side note, WMO is terribly outdated | 03:58 |
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| Thordasin | bye :) | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF WMO? | 03:59 |
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| Thordasin | so i need no-ext-wd not no-retu-wd right? | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | no-ext-wd,no-omap-wd,no-lifeguard-reset | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Possible R&D flags: | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-omap-wd | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-ext-wd | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-lifeguard-reset | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | serial-console | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-usb-timeout | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sti-console | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-charging | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | force-power-key | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think retu been a N8x0 thing | 04:02 |
| Thordasin | i think you miunderstood my question i just asked should i drop no-retu-wd and put in no-ext-wd :) but never mind i hav eit :) | 04:03 |
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| Thordasin | oh sheees i think i just bricked my phone, i acidently pull the usb while flashing | 04:10 |
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| ShadowJK | i think you should be able to flash it again still | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: no problem | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually nothing bad will happen, just restart flashing process from beginning | 04:30 |
| Thordasin | wow cat got you gusy tongue :)its wierd it comes on no vibrate and stays on the nokia screen and my flasher is not seeing it | 04:30 |
| fusi[n900] | o/ | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | in rare cases you might have killed NOLO bootloader, and need to follow coldflashing | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're holding the 'u' key, yes? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOKIA screen usually would mean NOLO is ok | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so flashing should "just work" | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | take care about your battery charging state though! | 04:33 |
| Thordasin | i got it i had to put the battery and us calbe in very close togeather | 04:33 |
| Thordasin | because if yo put the bat in the phone came on with out power switch :) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's R&D mode | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should first start flasher, then plug cable, then insert battery | 04:35 |
| Thordasin | ok got that now :) never had to do that before | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you enabled R&D mode, no? | 04:35 |
| Thordasin | ok kernel i compield is flashed no i have to boot to rescue and copy modules | 04:35 |
| Thordasin | yes | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess that's why it came up on battery insert | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (actually I think it always "powers up" on battery insert, then reads rd-flags from CAL storage, and usually goes back to off state in a few milliseconds | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ) | 04:37 |
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| Thordasin | that make since | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's also force-power-key that's somehow related | 04:39 |
| Thordasin | it won't flash until i snap the back on :) | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think you can set this parameter to revert to old behaviour despite R&D | 04:40 |
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| Thordasin | ah that sound s good i'll try it once i test the krnel | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually somebody "who should know his stuff" told me about that when my other device's power-button was ill | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually he told me "no problem, you can make device boot up on USB insert" | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and pointed me to force-power-key | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, insert battery is a bit different | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey, it's for engineers to enable R&D | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it makes sense device boots up on bat insert as well, in R&D mode | 04:44 |
| Thordasin | where are these serial pins they talk about i can't find them | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | serial pins? are located in a recession under battery, some copper pads on PCB | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are some D and parallelogram shaped appertures in the steel under battery. The pads are there | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost impossible to contact without a specially designed service jig | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even then you need a level converter as that's low-voltage serial (RS232) | 04:48 |
| Thordasin | can you explain better useing bat pins, simholde wall bottom to give me a refrence please? | 04:49 |
| Thordasin | i have a bus priate | 04:49 |
| Thordasin | pirate :) | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to look up for the correct pins, there are some dozen there | 04:49 |
| Thordasin | really where? i don't see any pinse but the bat pins | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | will take a while, if you're willing to wait | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are holes in the steel under the battery | 04:50 |
| Thordasin | sure i'll be here but tell me where the doxen are its killing me that everyone says there here and i can't find them | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | check for the holes in stell bottom under battery | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | underneath | 04:51 |
| fusi[n900] | http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://dailymobile.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nokia-n900-disassembly.JPG&imgrefurl=http://dailymobile.pl/2009/12/05/rozkrec-swoja-nokie-n900/&usg=__hnuDODnFwLc8M8_3tQpg0NqntmI=&h=305&w=500&sz=18&hl=en&start=30&sig2=fTZErRa-BvzsSW0JEY3oPw&zoom=1&tbnid=xgyZtGzERSd3WM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=206&ei=F8ryTfqqPNKZhQev1ujHBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dn900%2Bdisassembly%2Bpic%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1352%26bih%3D929%26tbm% | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to remove battery, the find them | 04:51 |
| fusi[n900] | oh god | 04:51 |
| fusi[n900] | http://dailymobile.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nokia-n900-disassembly.JPG | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 04:52 |
| fusi[n900] | >.< | 04:52 |
| Thordasin | yes there are many wholes, is the little round on up at the top to the right of the bat, or the big u shaped slit lower down | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | th elittle round one has two pads D+/- of USB | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the other dozens are on the "slit" | 04:53 |
| Thordasin | ah, so holding the phone with the camer away the slit looks like a u which pin is for serial? | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's one long parallelogram shaped hole to the middle, and two D shaped ones (trapezoid) next to left wall of battery compartment | 04:55 |
| Thordasin | wow i had to turn r&d off to get the rescue image to work | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have to look up for the right pins for serial | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will take time as I need to find the wiki page | 04:56 |
| Thordasin | sure sorry, thought it was on that picture you were looking at :) | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, there's also a small square hole next to the "round" one - it's just "nothing" | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I'm talking from my memory | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not now though, opened up device ;-) | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I never "looked" at it without using my eyes ;-) | 04:57 |
| fusi[n900] | is that the link ur after http://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_the_kernel | 04:58 |
| fusi[n900] | down the bottom 'serial console' | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the D+/- hole is close right to the plastic nose up center | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusi[n900]: indeed, though that's not the best *picture*, it is actually ideal for Thordasin | 04:59 |
| fusi[n900] | better img of the back: http://muare1.vcmedia.vn/images/30/IMG_008c_1282226561.jpg | 04:59 |
| fusi[n900] | ill stop spamming crud to channel now ^^ | 05:00 |
| fusi[n900] | o/ | 05:00 |
| cehteh | there where this FCC photos which where pretty detailed | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually that page is about N8x0 | 05:00 |
| fusi[n900] | just realised that :( | 05:01 |
| fusi[n900] | sorry | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, help appreciated | 05:01 |
| fusi[n900] | :) | 05:01 |
| Thordasin | so i did not understand where the pads are, could you start at the uper elft of the u and count pads around the u to the right. | 05:01 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: the usb under the battery is that a 2nd usb or just the same as on the socket? | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | same as on socket | 05:02 |
| fusi[n900] | found it for n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - scroll down to debug ports | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that one | 05:03 |
| cehteh | ok thanks | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: you "see" http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking the "Here are the pad names..." | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 05:04 |
| Thordasin | sorry was trying to figure out why my rescue image won't work anymore. | 05:05 |
| Thordasin | checking it now | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the " + J5301 " is the upper of both D+/- pads, you have to hold device with cam to the left to get same orientation as on this diagram | 05:06 |
| Thordasin | ok | 05:06 |
| fusi[n900] | gl, i gotta shoot o/ x | 05:09 |
| Thordasin | i book marked it thats going to take some serious study for a blind man :) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ and thanks | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm afk for a bit | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thordasin: ping me if any questions | 05:10 |
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| Thordasin | ok thanks i think i'm awk for a bit as well my ack is killing me :) | 05:11 |
| Thordasin | oops afk :) | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can Windows application UIs be less consistent, please? | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | even less? | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or are you talking about consitant annoyance? | 05:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The web browsers change every version. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's becoming ridiculous. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're going to try to ape Apple all the time | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | at least try to do it not-shit. | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always found windows sucks consistently | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I know there's going to be a time when I need it on my laptop. | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I feel with you, been there done that | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are those industry tools... :-S | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | mentorgraphics PADS for example | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're pretty much at "use it or quit the job", if your company decided that's what you develop hw on | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually there's rarely any comarable tool on linux | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | comparable* | 05:22 |
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| dangergrrl | yes, my jobs often bought crap dev tools | 05:25 |
| dangergrrl | but i got to play with logic analyzers and ICEs | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, round two. | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Ubuntu installer still doesn't see that I installed Windows. | 05:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles cries. | 05:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mentor.com/products/pcb-system-design/design-flows/pads/pads-pcb-viewer | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for an example | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: yeah, had that weird project where I developed a PCB on Eagle for linux, but the atmel flasher worked on genuine DOS only | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | was a nightmare to keep the project files in sync and one place | 05:53 |
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| dangergrrl | well, you have an EE you probebly got to do more fun stuff than me | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for the laughs and giggles you had to throttle the processor for flashing, as there's been a hard delay coded into the flasher program, that didn't work on contemporary 486 any more | 05:56 |
| dangergrrl | i did unix kernel and embedded work for a long time though | 05:56 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 05:56 |
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| * DocScrutinizer *yawns* | 05:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | getting way to bright outside... | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: get a DISTRO, a *real* distro | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that buntkuh crap | 06:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you know buntkuh can't ever detect there's windows, as buntkuh IS windows | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~buntkuh | 06:04 |
| infobot | i heard buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it thinks you're running an update ;-P | 06:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter - is chromium available from any repo now? | 06:06 |
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| dangergrrl | lol | 07:18 |
| dangergrrl | is that why i can't use the vbox addons in my build vm? | 07:18 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping | 09:45 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Seen the CO meeting agenda for 14th June | 09:46 |
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| mikhas | Jaffa, what? where? | 10:42 |
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| edheldil_ | Hi all, I want to write a simple game for my children - displaying some animal pictures, playing sounds, selecting a correct picture. I am too old to lose time with C, so I want to use Python. Should I use Qt or Gtk? (I know PyGtk, but rather through Glade). What are the good learning resources for them on n900? Should I use scratchbox anyway? | 11:38 |
| robbiethe1st | PyQT | 11:38 |
| robbiethe1st | If you've got a Linux desktop, you can simply write the PyQT code there, drop it onto the n900, and run it. | 11:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Python/PyQT is the same between the N900 and desktop Linux, aside from the theme(basically) | 11:39 |
| edheldil_ | is not it the same with PyGk, apart from some App classes? | 11:39 |
| mikhas | or use PySide :-) | 11:39 |
| edheldil_ | ~pyside | 11:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Dunno; I've only used Python/PyQT | 11:40 |
| mikhas | edheldil, alternative Python bindings for Qt | 11:40 |
| mikhas | quite popular in Maemo land, or so I heard | 11:40 |
| edheldil_ | Thank you, I will look into that | 11:42 |
| edheldil_ | or at it | 11:42 |
| edheldil_ | I guess there's nothing like iPhone's xcode, is there? | 11:44 |
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| robbiethe1st | edheldil: There's always HTML/JS | 11:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Just use a full-screen browser window, and you've got an instant application framework. Just load files locally, and it'll be plenty fast | 11:46 |
| hiemanshu | edheldil_: my PyQt desktop apps run just fine with a changed ui for the N900 | 11:47 |
| hiemanshu | no change in code | 11:47 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:53 |
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| mikhas | xcode, as in, IDE? | 11:57 |
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| mikhas | edheldil, just googled up http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/ | 11:58 |
| mikhas | edheldil_, ^ | 11:59 |
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| edheldil_ | mikhas: I know Eric. xcode is something like eclipse+glade+blender's game creator | 12:04 |
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| edheldil_ | (BGC in the sense of connecting signals by dragging lines) | 12:05 |
| mikhas | oh wow | 12:05 |
| edheldil_ | not *that* powerful :) | 12:05 |
| mikhas | certainly sounds powerful to me | 12:06 |
| mikhas | if you say it like that | 12:06 |
| edheldil_ | the BGC was meant more in the sense of control style, not the results | 12:06 |
| edheldil_ | asked another way: are n900's PyQt/PySide apps usually programmed completely in a text editor? | 12:08 |
| edheldil_ | I do not want to miss some obvious tool everybody uses :) | 12:09 |
| mikhas | emacs and vim ... what did you expect? | 12:10 |
| edheldil_ | something like Glade+GttkBuilder, perhaps | 12:10 |
| robbiethe1st | There's the QT builder tool... I do it all in Geany, my favorite text-editor/ide | 12:11 |
| mikhas | Qt Creator needs PySide support ... | 12:12 |
| edheldil_ | ok, so the usual way is "just a text editor". That's what I wanted to know :) | 12:12 |
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| mikhas | edheldil_, yeah sadly ... just checked http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Quick_start_guide - no tools mentioned there | 12:14 |
| edheldil_ | thank you for your help, all | 12:15 |
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| PolarFox | http://imgur.com/FUPmT N8 sthyle OTG disk... Would work with N900 too .. ;) | 12:19 |
| PolarFox | 2bad that I don't have an N900 anymore so I could test.. Nokia service returned my N900... But somehow it changed to N8 on the way.. :( | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd complain to them and requesting for return of N900 or I'd sue | 12:21 |
| psycho_oreos | too bad its a shame you're too soft to even do that but to post something that doesn't even run maemo in a maemo channel | 12:22 |
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| PolarFox | They'd most likely would have paid me some amount of money... And I couldn't still get a new N900. | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | I was sure you can source N900 freely from internet, people said from amazon or dell | 12:23 |
| PolarFox | Yeah.. and then try to change the keyboard.. | 12:23 |
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| nid0 | n900's can still be bought | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | better than n8 which isn't even remotely maemo | 12:24 |
| psycho_oreos | whats even more is n8's lack of hardware keyboard | 12:25 |
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| PolarFox | psycho_oreos: I know.. But at least N8 has a kickass camera :P | 12:25 |
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| psycho_oreos | PolarFox, wow, its only one great feature, `kickass camera'. I'm sure you couldn't even tell the difference between N900's 5MP camera and n8's 12MP camera unless you're a professional photographer. Plus no decent photographers would use a phone to take a picture | 12:27 |
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| nid0 | the difference is actually pretty strikingly obvious in almost any condition | 12:28 |
| PolarFox | Well.. I'm a semi-pro photographer with few DSLR bodies and pile of lenses... so.. :) | 12:28 |
| nid0 | plus, its an all-round pretty decent device | 12:28 |
| PolarFox | I hated N8 for the first few weeks.. But I can live with it until I find a phone that I'd like to buy. | 12:29 |
| psycho_oreos | there's plenty of other decent devices that nokia produces, but nothing would come close as the maemo series. They were built for a purpose unlike the usual ones | 12:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'd never would want to put up with an alternative that's not even the same as original, aboveall its worse than original apart from its 12MP of wow factor | 12:32 |
| nid0 | well. in many other ways its also a better productivity tool | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah for the type that doesn't want to care how it works, it has to _just_ work | 12:33 |
| Venemo | morning | 12:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm sure with that sort of saying, windows phones, iphones, and blackberries be all the same. For those who doesn't care let alone doesn't even care how or why it works, it has to just work. | 12:36 |
| psycho_oreos | may as well get any one of those as replacement, it'll be just as efficient in terms of productivity. Lets forget about maemo because it isn't productive | 12:37 |
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| nid0 | it has nothing to do with how a device works over whether it works, it just has to do with half-assed design at nokia | 12:37 |
| psycho_oreos | the type of symbian devices are specifically aimed at a different market segment | 12:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | what doesn't make the phone is the design or how it works, what makes the phone is a device which is specifically aimed at those of interest to buy. If someone swapped your N900 for N95 would you be happy? | 12:41 |
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| hiemanshu | is there a way to make the apps fullscreen? | 15:30 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, code it that way? | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | (there's a way with wmctrl which makes the window manager do it) | 15:36 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I got it working, had to change main.cpp to use showFullScreen() | 15:36 |
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| MohammadAG | oh Qt | 15:38 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 15:39 |
| hiemanshu | Qt is nice, everythign else is meh :P | 15:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | eh, so how come apt-cache search pax11publish shows pulseaudio-utils - Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server but the installing that package, it's not there? dpkg -L lists a bunch of other tools but pax11publish is missing. | 16:10 |
| Shapeshifter | I want my n900 to play to my pulse server on my desktop. | 16:11 |
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| mmarc__ | hi! | 16:47 |
| mmarc__ | I want to install kernel-power, but it it said: | 16:48 |
| mmarc__ | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 16:48 |
| mmarc__ | kernel-maemo kernel-modules-maemo mobilehotspot | 16:48 |
| mmarc__ | - is it OK? | 16:48 |
| mmarc__ | please? | 16:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | gahhhh | 16:51 |
| Shapeshifter | pulseaudio is useless. | 16:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: pong. No. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ah. See it. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does that fall under the CO? . . . | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikhas, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004205.html | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No mention of the TSG on the linked wiki page. http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011 | 17:05 |
| mikhas | GeneralAntilles, well, it's a wiki ... anyone can edit it, right? ;-) | 17:07 |
| * mikhas considers to just add Jaffa to http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011#New_Proposed_Nominations | 17:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there's additional non-transparent process involved in getting a nomination to the proposal stage. *g* | 17:09 |
| mikhas | let's see | 17:09 |
| mikhas | GeneralAntilles, done :-D | 17:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles prepares for fallout. | 17:11 | |
| mikhas | now let's see how that non-transparent process works | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF, GeneralAntilles for president of meego? | 17:41 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, no. President of the Webernets | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that is | 18:43 |
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| ZinovaS | hi, is it possible to install maemo on ARMv5 tablet ? | 18:57 |
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| ShadowJK | ZinovaS, it's unrealistic | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | even worse on armv5 | 18:59 |
| ZinovaS | I see... thanks... | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | it would be easier with MeeGo, but that's also lots of effort | 19:00 |
| psycho_oreos | not even 770's firmware? I wonder which CPU they had back then lol | 19:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Well it's not just the cpu | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast MeeGo has a procedure for working on the hardware adaptation | 19:02 |
| ShadowJK | whereas in Maemo you'll just have to do alot of hacking, both in open source and closed source components | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Isn't armv5 = arm9? | 19:03 |
| ZinovaS | yes | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | or 10 | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | 9 | 19:03 |
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| ShadowJK | uh | 19:04 |
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| ZinovaS | what linux could I easly install on my tablet? i just need ffmpeg, usb-bt and usb-serial support... | 19:06 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont think you install anythinh easily on these things :) | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | Usually first problems start at the bootloader, figuring out how to make it load something from sd or other easy medium | 19:07 |
| ZinovaS | i wonder.. android has linux kernel, and it runs ok on the tablet. why linux itself cant be installed here ... | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | Well you need to figure out the details. | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | Not every device lets you replace files even | 19:08 |
| ZinovaS | for android i downloaded image, but in in sd, guesed correct config file and it flashed... | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | Well that's good for running android, if someone has already spent the few man-month-hours for figuring out how to make android run on it, figured out how to install it, and packaged it into easy to use delivery mechanism | 19:10 |
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| ZinovaS | but the part of booting the kernel is almost the same i think... diference is only what happens after kernel... | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | usually getting a kernel to boot is the hardest part | 19:13 |
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| ShadowJK | and then if you have no way to create a new image, you have to figure out how to use the existing operating system to overwrite itself with new operating system, without breaking anything in the process | 19:14 |
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| ShadowJK | Or figure out a nice place in the old operating system to add diversion to continue booting from another storage media | 19:16 |
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| lardman | ZinovaS: what is the tablet? | 19:16 |
| ZinovaS | well that is done in the android (uberoid) image i have... it looks like it extracts some tar archives and puts some config files, after that I boot in to new android install.. | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | These things are all different between different devices | 19:17 |
| lardman | does it have separate normal and recovery kernels, that makes life easier testing Meego out | 19:17 |
| ShadowJK | not all devices give you easy access to write/extract a tar archive, for example | 19:17 |
| ZinovaS | tablet is WonderMedia WM8650 | 19:17 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: afaiu Android kernels contain an initramfs, you can replace init there to boot whatever you wish | 19:18 |
| lardman | certainly that's the approach in the Tab and the other devices I know about | 19:18 |
| dangergrrl | it would be nice if the kernel were gplv3, tivoing a device is allowed under gplv2 | 19:18 |
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| lardman | you can then either mount a loop fs or I prefer to mount an external SD card containing the Meego install | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | Can you still replace the initramfs if you mess it up, or does it need working initramfs in order to write a new initramfs or to reflash/replace android again? | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | It's good idea to figure out details for recovery first, and figure out what depends on what :P | 19:19 |
| lardman | the Tab has a primary and secondary bootloader, then the kernel | 19:19 |
| lardman | so you can still flash if you break the kernel | 19:19 |
| lardman | if you have separate normal and recovery kernels, life is easier, as on the Tab you have to alter init such that it can still boot normal Android if there's e.g. no SD card with Meego on it | 19:20 |
| ZinovaS | well i tested 14 different configuration flashing my tab, most of them dont even boot, so i think flashing is in the "bios" :) | 19:21 |
| lardman | to actually boot e.g. Meego you'll need to make some changes to the kernel config though, make sure you enable a console that you can see, etc | 19:21 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: sure, that's fine then | 19:21 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: have you tried extracting the initramfs from your kernel backup? | 19:21 |
| lardman | I guess you've been able to root the device then backup the kernel partition using dd? | 19:22 |
| ZinovaS | extract with what? (im new to kernel stuff..) | 19:22 |
| lardman | do you have a zImage from the device (rather than one you built yourself)? | 19:23 |
| lardman | take a look at my work on the Tab here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird | 19:23 |
| lardman | the extraction scripts will work for you | 19:23 |
| lardman | or at least should do ;) | 19:23 |
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| ZinovaS | no, i dont have anything from device itself, i started flashing it until it worked again with new versio of andriod... | 19:24 |
| lardman | building your own kernel? | 19:25 |
| lardman | because you can also pass rootfs (iirc) as a kernel cmdline parameter | 19:25 |
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| lardman | but afaiu Android requires things to be setup before you pass control to it, so I assumed one required an initramfs | 19:28 |
| lardman | I may well be wrong :) | 19:28 |
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| ZinovaS | ok, so idea there is that early in the boot process setting rootfs to SD and booting from it? | 19:30 |
| lardman | that is one option - what I do is chroot to the SD card after mounting it | 19:31 |
| lardman | and then run init there | 19:31 |
| lardman | this is done in the initramfs | 19:31 |
| lcuk | hi simon | 19:31 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 19:31 |
| lcuk | how is your code garden today? | 19:32 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: but it is also possible to just set the correct cmdline and boot directly from the sd card | 19:32 |
| lardman | lcuk: not bad, doing some planting :) | 19:32 |
| lcuk | :) good stuff | 19:32 |
| lardman | will have to pack build machine tomorrow, so no coding for a week+ | 19:32 |
| lcuk | I am just weeding some of the lawn | 19:32 |
| RST38h | [6~\ | 19:32 |
| * lardman hopes he can get broadband setup quickly | 19:33 | |
| lcuk | oh yeah | 19:33 |
| lardman | hmm, /me is watching ch18 | 19:34 |
| lardman | just saw an advert for uniformdating, if you like people in uniforms | 19:35 |
| lardman | very odd (to have a website) | 19:35 |
| lardman | ch18 is the music channel for those of you not in the uk | 19:35 |
| lcuk | and those in the uk | 19:35 |
| lardman | well freeview | 19:35 |
| fusi[n900] | lol ^ | 19:37 |
| ZinovaS | lardman, my grep does not have -P option... | 19:38 |
| fusi[n900] | is it worth me trying to get the twitter conv plugin working? | 19:39 |
| fusi[n900] | either with oauth or a auth proxy | 19:39 |
| ZinovaS | lardman, i flashed with that: http://tmp.at.lt/HYBRiD_WM8650_UBEROID_1.3.0_v5.7z (135MB) | 19:40 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: is grep with -P required to extract the initramfs? | 19:42 |
| lardman | I should look at the script, but typing on this netbook isn't much fun | 19:42 |
| ZinovaS | i got script http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Tab/initramfs/initramfs_extractor.sh | 19:42 |
| lardman | yeah | 19:42 |
| lardman | well it should be possible to modify that to work with whatever you do have | 19:43 |
| lardman | I didn't write it I must admit | 19:43 |
| lardman | I'd probably code it up in C, but I hate shell scripting ;) | 19:43 |
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| ZinovaS | lardman, i think i extracted it.. | 19:48 |
| ZinovaS | but it looks binary.. | 19:48 |
| ZinovaS | omg... 477 bytes.. :/ | 19:48 |
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| lardman | hey RST38h | 19:58 |
| lardman | ZinovaS: it's a cpio archive | 19:58 |
| lardman | 477 might work if there is only an init in there I guess | 19:58 |
| lardman | really this depends on whether you care about being able to still boot Android | 19:59 |
| lardman | if not then you can probably get rid and just set the kernel cmdline correctly | 19:59 |
| ZinovaS | not realy, i can flash it back if i want it... | 19:59 |
| lardman | you may find that your bootloader overrides whatever you set when you compile the kernel | 19:59 |
| lardman | in which case you need to modify arch/arm/kernel/setup.c iirc | 20:00 |
| lardman | you'll need to do some testing to see what happens, and also to see what the correct cmdline is as I can't remember off the top of my head, sorry | 20:00 |
| ZinovaS | note: I never successfully compiled a kernel.. | 20:01 |
| lardman | ah, well that would probably be a first step | 20:01 |
| lardman | check whether there are closed kernel modules you need, check compiler version, etc | 20:01 |
| lardman | if you can compile everything from the source, then the compiler version is not overly important | 20:02 |
| ZinovaS | there are some .ko files for wifi adapter.. | 20:02 |
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| lardman | you may find it says what to use in the kernel source tarball from the manufacturers | 20:02 |
| lardman | ah ok, so you will want to make sure it all works then | 20:02 |
| lardman | but that's some way down the line | 20:02 |
| lardman | booting it is the first step | 20:03 |
| * lardman pops to the shop quickly bbiam | 20:03 | |
| ZinovaS | ok, so i should grab source from kernel.org (probably latest) and play with it? | 20:06 |
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| ZinovaS | maybe it would support wifi out-of-box ;) | 20:07 |
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| lardman | re | 20:20 |
| lardman | hmm, you'd be lucky | 20:20 |
| lardman | I'd try to at least get the output of dmesg from Android | 20:20 |
| lardman | then you can see whether the modules are likely to be in mainline | 20:21 |
| lardman | also your manuf should have provided a tarball | 20:21 |
| lardman | or even a git repo if you're very lucky | 20:21 |
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| nicofs | I have recently bought a nokia n900 and am very pleased so far - but i can't get instantmessaging to work. ICQ refuses to connect and MSN is "activated" but i don't see any contacts in the list... | 21:03 |
| nicofs | i'm trying to use the on board "conversations" program... if i try pidgin, all is fine... | 21:04 |
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| Ken-Young | Is there a Hildon widget for selecting a file name? If not, is gtk_file_selection_get_filename the preferred file selection dialog widget for maemo 5? | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new | 21:15 |
| Ken-Young | MohammadAG, Thanks! | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | yw | 21:17 |
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| nicofs | has someone any idea why icq is not working? | 21:22 |
| Ken-Young | nicofs, What is icq? | 21:23 |
| nicofs | instant messaging protocol | 21:23 |
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| cehteh | haha Ken-Young is really young :) | 21:35 |
| nicofs | still... i can't connect... | 21:39 |
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| Ken-Young | cehteh - Actually, I'm an old coot. Very, very few N900 owners are as old as I am. | 22:00 |
| cehteh | heh .. and you dont know icq then? back in 1997 or so they where the first instant messenger in place and everyone wanted to use it | 22:01 |
| cehteh | brb | 22:02 |
| Ken-Young | cehteh, Old can be either too young, or too old, to remember things from 1997. | 22:02 |
| Ken-Young | s/Old/One/ | 22:02 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: cehteh, One can be either too young, or too old, to remember things from 1997. | 22:02 |
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| * SpeedEvil thinks he remembers using software from Ken-Young in 1997 | 22:07 | |
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| lollingtons | lll | 22:09 |
| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Maybe so - I wrote my first program in 1970. | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, I started with "hardcoded" statemachines soldered together with TTL74xx back when ;-D | 22:11 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, That's still more maintainable than Perl code. | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually exploiting a pocket calculator by interfacing key matrix and display | 22:12 |
| nicofs | i don't want to be rude... but that doesn't solve my problem... *g* | 22:12 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Did you drool for years looking at the HP-65 like I did? | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | ok I *still* have punched cards from a PDP-11 that I use as bookmarks | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | with Fortran programming on them | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - it was 1997 - I was using xephem to locate hale-bopp | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, especially when some other dude had it borrowed from our physics teacher ;-) | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And completely failing to find it due to the light pollution. | 22:13 |
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| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Hyakutake completely ruined me for comets. I saw it at closest approach on Mauna Kea. It was bright blue, with a tail twice as long as the Big Dipper. | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:14 |
| lardman | hmm, are these things in the sky without strobes? | 22:16 |
| lardman | not sure I see many of those these days ;) | 22:17 |
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| Ken-Young | Hyakutake moved across the sky at one degree per our at closest approach - you could see its position change relative to background stars in a couple of minutes. | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it was cloudy , and again I was living in a bright area for hyakutake | 22:18 |
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| Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, That's a terrible shame. I don't think I'll live to se a better comet than that one. | 22:19 |
| alecjw | hi there, why won't my maemo loopmount? when i try to mount -o loop, it says "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on <mountpoint> failed: No such device" (sorry if this message appeared more than once, connection issues...) | 22:19 |
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| lardman | alecjw: does that device exist? | 22:20 |
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| ShadowJK | is loop.ko loaded | 22:21 |
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| lardman | have you run losetup? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the way loopmounts work and maybe even the semantics and syntax changed a bit since I last looked at it ;-) | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nicofs: might be difficult to find a significant number of experts for ICQ, to help you out | 22:27 |
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| alecjw | sorry. connection went again. did i miss anything? | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | nicofs: i just found out icq stuff is down | 22:28 |
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| Sicelo | hmmm.. but you say it works for pidgin? (/me thinks to retract that... but not working for me..) | 22:29 |
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| ShadowJK | alecjw, is loop.ko loaded, do you have it | 22:32 |
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| Jaffa | mikhas: fine by me :) | 22:34 |
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| alecjw | ShadowJK: sorry, was afk. i tried modprobe loop, but it says module not found. do i need to compile it? | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 22:57 |
| alecjw | actually my phone doesn't have a toolchain... shouldnt it come with loop.ko? | 22:57 |
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| ShadowJK | It's not used for anything, so it probably doesn't come with it | 22:57 |
| alecjw | the meego chroot tutorial tells you to loopmount a file, and doesnt mention anything about loop.ko | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | I guess the tutorial fails :P | 22:58 |
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| alecjw | i can't find any reports of anyone else having trouble with it though, which is a bit odd.... | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego! | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try PK | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah the tutorial probably assumed power kernel | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | they should have mentioned it | 22:59 |
| alecjw | ah, can i get that from the repos? | 22:59 |
| alecjw | DocScrutinizer: pk? | 23:00 |
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| alecjw | oh, powerkernel :P | 23:00 |
| alecjw | i'm not trying to install meego btw, just gentoo | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /dev/loop0..7 exists on my IroN900 CSSU w/o PK(?) | 23:02 |
| cehteh | is there udev .. or had-wired device nodes without anything behind? | 23:03 |
| alecjw | DocScrutinizer: it exists for me when i ls it too... | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux | 23:03 |
| alecjw | i think cehteh's on the money there | 23:03 |
| alecjw | i'm installing "enhanced kernel for power users" now, i'm guessing that's what i want | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toilet valves replaced. No more running toilets. Woo | 23:05 |
| ds3 | gysers plugged? | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alecjw: what's the losetup cmd you used? | 23:06 |
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| alecjw | DocScrutinizer: mount -t ext4 filename mountpoint -o loop, i'm going to try again with the new kernel though | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | losetup, not mount | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui mount -o loop doesn't work | 23:09 |
| alecjw | oh, i thought losetup and mount -o loop were the same | 23:09 |
| nox- | was there something about it needing power kernel? | 23:09 |
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| alecjw | mount works now with powerkernel | 23:10 |
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| nox- | ah | 23:12 |
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| Venemo | good evening | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> This type of mount knows about four options, namely loop, offset, sizelimit and encryption, that are really options to losetup(8).<< seems mount is just an interface to losetup | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi Venemo | 23:19 |
| alecjw | bloomin' 'eck - i didn't realise maemo was without bzip2 | 23:20 |
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| Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 23:22 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 23:22 |
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| alecjw | excellent, i've got into my gentoo chroot | 23:31 |
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| alecjw | hmm, anyone know what software i can use to handle all the GSM stuff? ie phone calls and texts? | 23:36 |
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| cehteh | dbus? | 23:37 |
| alecjw | i mean a frontend | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | KenaleWhat are you trying to do? | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: It's not possible to really take over the phone functions on maemo without doing truly major lobotomies. | 23:38 |
| alecjw | i don't know how realistic this is, but i was thinking of trying to build my own setup from the ground up for my phone | 23:39 |
| alecjw | start off with a gentoo stage3 and build up | 23:39 |
| cehteh | took nokia some manyears to develop :P | 23:39 |
| alecjw | true, i'm probably being an idiot :P | 23:40 |
| alecjw | i'm just so frustrated with everything about maemo | 23:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | meego has gotten the phone working AIUI - that might be a beter starting point | 23:44 |
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| yigal | can the radiostation on an n8x0 be changed via the command line? | 23:53 |
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