| javispedro | because every time I refresh my page, the count of people I follow is different | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| javispedro | 16, 26, 22, 8 | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | delete the account | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | you will be sure that nobody follows you | 00:00 |
| javispedro | lcuk: so I bet they just do not care about keeping it consistent. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sounds like load balancing servers | 00:02 |
| lcuk | mine wibbles daily | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | mine doesnt | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | it's consistently at 0 | 00:02 |
| javispedro | congratulations | 00:04 |
| javispedro | ! | 00:04 |
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| mece | hey | 00:13 |
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| mece | Hello, I need some help with this c++ crap. How can I throw my qdeclarativeview as a contextproperty in itself? | 00:14 |
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| pauly_ | hi i broke my n900s screen any way to get my data out of it??? | 00:15 |
| strohi | boot it and ssh? x) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | pauly_, plug in the supplied video out cable and watch on your tv | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | pauly_: video cable | 00:19 |
| lcuk | hopefully your touch sensor will still work | 00:19 |
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| pauly_ | omg yeah i forgot | 00:21 |
| pauly_ | thank you | 00:21 |
| pauly_ | so much | 00:21 |
| pauly_ | i found a guy that can fix both the panel and screen and the usb for $150 | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | expensive | 00:34 |
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| jacekowski | it's $70 for parts | 00:35 |
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| Shoruken | indeed | 01:01 |
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| * javispedro needs is thirsty... needs new gadgets!! | 01:03 | |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/140560606120 | 01:04 |
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| jacekowski | £4 for shipping | 01:04 |
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| mece | Venemo, hey! | 01:13 |
| Venemo | hey mece, what's up? | 01:13 |
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| mece | Venemo, could you help me with a notification thing? | 01:14 |
| Venemo | mece, sure, what's the question? | 01:14 |
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| mece | I'm using your QMaemo5Notification that you posted somewhere, but I can't get that fracker to open in the same window, and not open a new one on every notification | 01:14 |
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| mece | same as the app that is | 01:15 |
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| Venemo | mece, "open in the same window"=? | 01:19 |
| Venemo | mece, first, use the q-extas library which contains this class (updated since that time) with some more options | 01:20 |
| mece | Venemo, well yes. my app is always visible (unlike the thing you used it for), so when I get a notifications a new window or app or whatever you call it, pops up. I'd like it to open on top of the actual app. | 01:20 |
| mece | Venemo, that's the one I'm using | 01:20 |
| mece | or maybe not. Well regardless. I don't want to break stuff that works right now.. | 01:21 |
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| Venemo | mece, in order to make the notifications appear as one, you will need to use the setCategory method on the instances. | 01:22 |
| Venemo | mece, you need to set the same category for them | 01:22 |
| mece | o--k.. | 01:22 |
| Venemo | mece, as for overlaying them over your app, you will need some more hacks | 01:22 |
| mece | no it's ok to just put them on top of eachoter as a new "app" | 01:23 |
| mece | I jsut don't want 100 windows if I leave it too long | 01:23 |
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| mece | or actually I want them to replace eachoter.. or something.. | 01:24 |
| mece | well regardless | 01:24 |
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| Venemo | mece, thp once explained to me that the overlaying can be configured in a config file in /etc/hildon-whatever (a very bad practice by the Hildon devs). you basically need to add a few lines to that file in your postinst and remove them in your prerm | 01:26 |
| Venemo | mece, the exact name of that file escapes me at the moment | 01:26 |
| mece | Venemo, ow... well that blows a tad. | 01:26 |
| Venemo | mece, but if you simply want them to appear as one, you'll need to set the same category on them | 01:27 |
| mece | Venemo, but can I replace an already existing notification with a new one? | 01:27 |
| mece | ok where, and to which object do I add the thing? | 01:27 |
| Venemo | mece, you can call hide() on the previous one | 01:27 |
| mece | how do I access it? | 01:27 |
| mece | or even tell if it exists? | 01:28 |
| mece | all I do is call QMaemo5Notification::nonExpiringInformation( ... ) | 01:28 |
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| Venemo | mece, if you want more advanced functionality, you will need a bit more coding | 01:28 |
| Venemo | http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qemaemo5notification.h | 01:28 |
| Venemo | QeMaemo5Notification *myNotification = new QeMaemo5Notification("Hello"); | 01:29 |
| Venemo | then you can call | 01:29 |
| Venemo | if (myNotification->isVisible()) myNotification->hide(); | 01:29 |
| mece | oo.. that looks pretty sweet :) | 01:30 |
| Venemo | mece, as I said, QMaemo5Notification is very old code, QeMaemo5Notification is the new one and it's more functional | 01:30 |
| mece | I'll replace with this lib. Seems much better :) | 01:30 |
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| mece | ok thanks. I hadn't found the code | 01:30 |
| Venemo | mece, as I said, just download the lib and the -dev package (you can install it into MADDE) | 01:30 |
| Venemo | mece, then all you will need is: | 01:31 |
| Venemo | CONFIG += link_pkgconfig | 01:31 |
| Venemo | PKGCONFIG += q-extras | 01:31 |
| Venemo | in your .pro file | 01:31 |
| mece | I'd rather build it inside the project, if that's possible | 01:31 |
| Venemo | mece, why is that? | 01:31 |
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| Venemo | it is possible of course, but I'd advise against it | 01:32 |
| mece | oh nevermind :) I guess I'd need to depend on the package then | 01:33 |
| Venemo | mece, you can add it as a maemo5-only dependency | 01:34 |
| mece | hm how do I install stuff into madde anyway? I've never done that I think.. | 01:34 |
| mece | yep | 01:34 |
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| Venemo | mad-admin xdpkg -i mypackage.deb | 01:34 |
| mece | erm | 01:34 |
| Venemo | mad-admin is located right where 'mad' is | 01:35 |
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| mece | uhu... | 01:35 |
| mece | I just have no idea about that stuff. When things get weird I just pull the git to scratchbox and do it there :) | 01:36 |
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| Venemo | mece, no worries, this is not difficult | 01:37 |
| Venemo | mece, it _was_ difficult a year ago when I had to copy-paste the package contents into the sysroot | 01:37 |
| mece | hehe | 01:37 |
| mece | so where do I find mad-admin? | 01:38 |
| Venemo | same place as 'mad' | 01:38 |
| Venemo | which SDK do you use? | 01:38 |
| mece | where do I find mad? | 01:38 |
| mece | QtSDK wheteverversionthelatestis | 01:38 |
| Venemo | are you on Linux? | 01:38 |
| mece | 2.2.0 | 01:38 |
| mece | yes | 01:38 |
| Venemo | ~/QtSDK/Maemo5/4.6.2/madbin or something like that | 01:39 |
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| mece | k found it :) | 01:40 |
| mece | thanks | 01:40 |
| Venemo | some time ago I gave up on that SDK, because it's a huge piece of bloatware | 01:41 |
| Venemo | now I just have MADDE installed from the MeeGo SDK repo, and the newest Qt Creator from the Fedora repo :) | 01:41 |
| mece | Well it's quite convenient application several platforms | 01:43 |
| mece | there's no mad-admin here.. | 01:44 |
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| mece | there is dpkg tho.. | 01:45 |
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| mece | I think this was a bit too complicated for today... | 01:49 |
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| Venemo | then you found the bad location | 01:49 |
| Venemo | there is a mad-admin executable in one of those bin directories | 01:50 |
| Venemo | maybe use 'find' to find it? | 01:50 |
| mece | ok it worked \o/ | 01:54 |
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| mece | Package 'q-extras-dev' installed. | 01:54 |
| Venemo | mece, :) | 01:54 |
| Venemo | mece, you'll need both the lib and the -dev package | 01:54 |
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| Venemo | mece, btw, MohammadAG for one uses it the same way in his app as you said | 01:55 |
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| Venemo | mece, and he also depends on the library :) | 01:55 |
| mece | nice | 01:56 |
| mece | ah yes | 01:56 |
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| mece | how do I import it? | 01:57 |
| mece | erm include | 01:57 |
| mece | #include | 01:57 |
| Venemo | mece, http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/main.cpp | 01:58 |
| mece | thanks | 01:58 |
| Venemo | you're welcome :) | 01:58 |
| Venemo | you could check te app at http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/ -> it is very simple | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 06:29 |
| infobot | I'm on 115 channels: #debian/1052, #meego/429, #kde/328, #maemo/320, #gsoc/244, #asterisk/206, #oe/151, #wowuidev/142, #wowace/140, #wowhead/129, #webos-internals/111, #openmoko/100, #htc-linux/83, #openmoko-cdevel/77, #bzflag/69, #utah/68, #tomcat/59, #curseforge/53, #uclibc/51, #asterisk-dev/50, #edev/50, #sc2mapster/49, #slug/45, #elinux/34, #norganna/30, #gllug/29, #/28, #utos/27, #asterisk-bugs/26, #brlcad/26, #buglabs/25, ##kierra/24, ... | 06:29 |
| infobot | i've cached 4757 users, 3496 unique users, distributed over 115 channels. | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~uptime | 06:29 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/automatic_device_driver_synthesis/ | 09:04 |
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| eefo | hey chanserv | 09:19 |
| eefo | are you the admin here ? | 09:19 |
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| eefo | :$ | 09:21 |
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| Scelt | frals: hey mister! fmms should respect the general roaming settings? I have always allowed it but still fmms keeps asking about it and thus won't automatically fetch my mms :( | 12:22 |
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| Scelt | damn, it's hot in here. des Finlandes | 12:27 |
| Scelt | as we say: "this is no weather for white man" | 12:27 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:41 |
| Hurrian | ohai lardman | 12:41 |
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| lardman | hi Hurrian | 12:42 |
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| ryrych | hello | 12:55 |
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| lardman | hmm, could really do with a time & location triggered way of changing whether auto connect to the network is enabled | 13:40 |
| lardman | otherwise my phone keeps pinging at me as it reconnects overnight sat on my bedside table | 13:40 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yeah :-( | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | lardman: A really good time/location framework would be very useful | 13:58 |
| lardman | something I'd be tempted to do, if I knew what the next step in the overall masterplan was | 13:59 |
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| ShadowJK | i think the masterplan was "always online" | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | is there a masterplan? | 14:09 |
| * lcuk has been taking notes if there was | 14:09 | |
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| lardman | nah I meant hardware-wise | 14:17 |
| lardman | whether it's worth investing time in a platform which will move to Meego perhaps, or may all succumb to usb port failure before too long | 14:18 |
| lardman | that sort of masterplan | 14:18 |
| lardman | but yeah, it was supposed to be always on, that's fair enough, it's just that the noises are bloody annoying if your net connection drops while you're aslee | 14:19 |
| lardman | p | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Some kind of Qt Mobility-based app with a QML UI and a powerful pluggable engine should do | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Or, you're on hotel free wifi which times out whilst you're asleep | 14:19 |
| * lardman has no desire to use QML for things that don't need a ui | 14:19 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: exactly | 14:19 |
| lardman | I guess a daemon is the best bet, with some sort of control panel control | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Well, something needs to be configurable | 14:19 |
| lardman | I might code something up if I get bored over the weekend | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Trouble with Control Panel is you end up being OS-specific | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: But daemon, which won't drain power, would be good. | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: e.g. configurable liblocation level so cell-tower positioning or wifi is enough | 14:20 |
| lardman | yeah, but as long as the control panel applet is separate from the daemon, and you know the way to change the settings | 14:20 |
| lardman | I see what you mean though | 14:20 |
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| lardman | definitely, would be a very power conscious daemon | 14:21 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I'd guess that just using cell ids would be enough for most people, and if people need more accuracy one would use the cell id to trigger the gps to switch on for the accuracy | 14:22 |
| lardman | would have to maintain an offline cell tower id list though, or at least download the relevant ones when some condition is set | 14:22 |
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| MohammadAG | bb in 5h | 14:26 |
| lardman | completely different topic - I was standing in the bank yesterday waiting behind some chap who was trying to show some details on his iPad to the cashier, and I thought that NFC and a standard file format would be quite useful for passing document snippets between people | 14:26 |
| lardman | cu MohammadAG | 14:26 |
| chem|st | lardman: what about BT? | 14:28 |
| lardman | I guess that could stand in | 14:28 |
| lardman | NFC is closer though, which would mean you'd have fewer devices showing up for you to decide which to connect to | 14:28 |
| chem|st | and you do not have to hold the devices against each other... the same room is just enough | 14:28 |
| lardman | makes it hard to know who is who though, but yeah the same system could go ontop | 14:29 |
| chem|st | a blank secure connection protocol could help that | 14:29 |
| lardman | ? | 14:30 |
| chem|st | and to not connect to the wrong you could gen random pins | 14:30 |
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| lardman | sure, but you still need to pick the right one from a list | 14:30 |
| lardman | I was thinking of it "just working" | 14:31 |
| chem|st | BT stack got no secured connection prot you can pan and tunnel | 14:31 |
| phellarv | Anyone struggling to use the N900 as an USB-modem? | 14:31 |
| chem|st | phellarv: plugin -> use | 14:31 |
| phellarv | Phonet unknown PEP type :1 | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | umm vague? | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | which host OS? | 14:32 |
| phellarv | chem|st: Please fell free to elaborate. | 14:32 |
| phellarv | psycho_oreos: Natty Narval | 14:33 |
| chem|st | lardman: what about qr-code implementation for something like this | 14:33 |
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| lardman | yep that's a definite possibility | 14:33 |
| lardman | anyway was just a random thought | 14:33 |
| chem|st | so the program opens cam for connectiing and not a connection dialogue | 14:34 |
| lardman | I'd also quite like to be able to flick documents in the right direction a la CSI wall screens and have them arrive elsewhere :) | 14:34 |
| phellarv | psycho_oreos: Power-kernel v47 and CSSU | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | phellarv, that's more like a linux distribution but meh, I've never really have issues using N900 as a USB wireless broadband modem, though I get messages like that along with others appearing in dmesg all the time | 14:34 |
| lardman | perhaps I should talk to lcuk about adding such a feature to liq* | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lardman: no, stay with it! it is a very good idea | 14:34 |
| phellarv | psycho_oreos: What do you use as tethering software? Script? | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lardman: g-speak? | 14:34 |
| lardman | chem|st: what's that? | 14:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | phellarv, nah networkmanager, though it may also work if I tried umtsmon as well | 14:35 |
| lcuk | pardon lardman ? | 14:35 |
| lardman | lcuk: just some random ideas :) | 14:35 |
| chem|st | lardman: you know the police's data terminal from minority report (movie) | 14:36 |
| lardman | ah yeah | 14:36 |
| chem|st | that thing is real! | 14:36 |
| lardman | the flicking in the right direction is difficult though as location accuracy is too low | 14:36 |
| lardman | plus we lack a compass | 14:36 |
| lcuk | lardman, I am distracted by many things in meego atm | 14:36 |
| lardman | lcuk: tbh I'm bored of trying to make things work, I'd just like to make some end-user apps work | 14:37 |
| chem|st | lardman: http://oblong.com/ | 14:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah I know that feeling | 14:37 |
| lardman | messing about with bootloaders and kernel initramfs is rapidly losing its appeal | 14:37 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:37 | |
| lardman | chem|st: /me looks | 14:38 |
| chem|st | the guy inventing it got famous with minority report and was able to start business | 14:38 |
| korhojoa | yay, ice-cream truck ! | 14:38 |
| lcuk | that is why I am pushing for default simple usecases on n900-CE | 14:38 |
| lcuk | (I adore that new name for the meego community stuff :) | 14:38 |
| lardman | chem|st: cool, I'll have a watch of the vid once I've finished messing about with these pics for a report | 14:38 |
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| lardman | with that said, the location/time scheduler is something I will have a crack at this weekend | 14:39 |
| lardman | just think of all the minutes over the year I'll save not needing to go to control panel > internet connections to switch on/off the auto connection time ;) | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | lardman, :) good idea | 14:41 |
| lcuk | fiferboy has experience also with making desktop widget / apps | 14:42 |
| lcuk | so you could talk to him about the gui bit for it | 14:42 |
| lcuk | to perhaps have an override button on desktop | 14:42 |
| lcuk | (if maemo related of course) | 14:42 |
| lardman | GUI? nah, command line control of the daemon ;) | 14:42 |
| lardman | yeah is Maemo related, or Meego, or at leasrt something portable (device and sw) | 14:43 |
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| lardman | chem|st: interesting video, shame they don't say how it works | 14:53 |
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| frals | Scelt: doh, it just checks if its roaming or not actually, not what the user setting for it is | 14:54 |
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| Scelt | frals: yeah but it should. pretty annoying to download manually all the mms | 14:55 |
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| frals | yeah, didnt even think of it tbh | 14:55 |
| frals | someone at work complained about no roaming warning so i just added that | 14:56 |
| Scelt | yeah :) | 14:56 |
| frals | bah, flight about to take off, flight mode time i guess | 14:56 |
| frals | o/ | 14:56 |
| Scelt | bye | 14:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys know how to check the firmware version you are running (N900) without relying on Settings > About Product ? | 15:35 |
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| nid0 | *#000#? | 15:37 |
| Venemo | *#0000# | 15:38 |
| nid0 | ah yes, missed a 0 | 15:38 |
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| Hurrian | odd, the n900 doesn't have all the starhashes of the symbian phones | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | bah apart from that :D | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | trying to find a way through the command line/console so to speak | 15:40 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, for exmaple no *#7370# | 15:40 |
| hiemanshu | which resets the phone | 15:40 |
| hiemanshu | and there were a few clock lock mods | 15:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | goes back to the age old saying,`N900 is not a phone, it is a computer with phone capability added to it' | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | psycho_oreos, run osso-product-info in an xterm | 15:51 |
| psycho_oreos | mgedmin, thanks! | 15:52 |
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| nok_fan | need help with nitdroid | 15:55 |
| nok_fan | have the latest version of rootsh | 15:55 |
| nok_fan | however, nitdroid-installer gives a message saying this: | 15:56 |
| nok_fan | Depends: rootsh (>= 1.8) but 1.5 is to be installed | 15:56 |
| Hurrian | don't use nitdroid-installer | 15:57 |
| Hurrian | download the tarball | 15:57 |
| Hurrian | partition the uSD card | 15:57 |
| Hurrian | format it ext4 | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | *ext3 | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | mount to /and, untar N12 | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | install nitdroid-kernel | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | reboot | 15:58 |
| nok_fan | may i pls have the link to that tarball? | 15:59 |
| Hurrian | http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/N12_UMay.tar.bz2 | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | ~rape quentin | 15:59 |
| * infobot takes quentin behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 15:59 | |
| nok_fan | cool i'll chk it out | 16:00 |
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| crashanddie | ~nuke roman | 16:02 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at roman ... B☢☢M! | 16:02 | |
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| lardman | re | 16:10 |
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| lardman | how do I share a document in Google Docs? | 16:20 |
| lardman | am writing down conditions and actions for the location/time/etc daemon | 16:20 |
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| KMFDM | lardman, in teh top right there's a button that says share | 16:25 |
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| lardman | ah, thanks KMFDM | 16:41 |
| lardman | and how would I allow public access? | 16:41 |
| KMFDM | lardman, share>sharing settings | 16:42 |
| KMFDM | at the top where it presumably says private | 16:42 |
| KMFDM | select change | 16:42 |
| KMFDM | and make it public | 16:42 |
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| lardman | thanks | 16:43 |
| lardman | https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai6d6M5t99WJdGJ4dEpLbk1YVkpheEJ2ZzQ0OGZkS0E&hl=en_GB&authkey=CNH4-KAF | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you are making a state table | 16:44 |
| lardman | yes, basically | 16:45 |
| lardman | I was thinking a state editor with boolean operators and some action that should then be performed | 16:45 |
| lcuk | it seems large enough to become a banquet! | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | lardman, do you intend for this to be scriptable? | 16:45 |
| lardman | yes, for there to be an editor in which people can add their own combinations of states + actions | 16:46 |
| lardman | also have pluggable actions | 16:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, | 16:46 |
| lcuk | have you used parental controls on windows 7? | 16:46 |
| lardman | nope | 16:47 |
| lcuk | it has a nice grid that you can assign allowed/not allowed to use the computer | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | very simple ui but easy enough | 16:47 |
| lcuk | based on hours of the week | 16:47 |
| lcuk | if you have just a few primary states you can colour in easily | 16:47 |
| lcuk | without needing a mathematical formula | 16:48 |
| lcuk | just a mo | 16:48 |
| lardman | yeah I understand | 16:48 |
| lcuk | http://img.ampercent.com/post/set-up-time-limits-parental-controls.png | 16:48 |
| lardman | well you can change the ui, but the underlying structure must be based on something more fundamental | 16:48 |
| lcuk | similar to other things of course, but that is the case I see yours closest to | 16:49 |
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| lardman | easy to convert that to a bunch of state + actions | 16:49 |
| lardman | the issue I do see is mutually conflicting state changes | 16:49 |
| lcuk | nod | 16:50 |
| lardman | will have to have priorities established too | 16:50 |
| lcuk | yeah | 16:51 |
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| Jaffa | There is one of these for another platform. Hmm, what is it. Maybe for Android - may be something to get inspiration from or, if nothign else, avoid | 16:54 |
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| lardman | sure, if anyone can think of the name that would be useful | 16:57 |
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| lardman | Android app called "Near to there" which gives you a reminder when you get close to somewhere | 17:03 |
| lardman | http://www.near2there.com/index.aspx | 17:03 |
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| lardman | I've no desire to implement this directly, but it could work ontop of this daemon with e.g.a within X m of location then run some app to display message | 17:04 |
| lardman | http://forums.precentral.net/hedami/217570-geostrings-location-based-reminders.html is another view, location based task reminders | 17:05 |
| lardman | again could be built ontop | 17:05 |
| lardman | I'll need an api for other apps to add and remove and check the rules that are currently set in that case | 17:05 |
| * lardman adds that to the list | 17:05 | |
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| lardman | http://www.appbrain.com/app/llama-location-profiles/com.kebab.Llama | 17:06 |
| lardman | might be closer to what we were originally thinking of | 17:07 |
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| lardman | wiki page might be better than a spreadsheet me thinks | 17:08 |
| lardman | anyone got any ideas for a cool name? | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | Proximus | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | Mix of "proximity" and "tempus" - the original use cases | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Proximus Min | 17:10 |
| lardman | tempox ;) | 17:11 |
| lardman | probably needs an r in there | 17:12 |
| lcuk | :D can go roller skating in white shorts | 17:12 |
| lardman | temprox | 17:12 |
| lardman | anyway good call Jaffa, proximus sounds good | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | tempox also sounds like something that alarms once a month. | 17:13 |
| lardman | I'll create a wiki page | 17:13 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah, I thought it sounded sort of nasty | 17:13 |
| lcuk | it is far from nasty, it is the time when ladies go swimming and do sports activities | 17:14 |
| lcuk | don't you watch the adverts? | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Watersports too. | 17:14 |
| * lcuk never understood why they could only do these things once a month | 17:14 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Natural law. | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | They could tell us, but they'd have to kill us. | 17:15 |
| lcuk | thanks all by the way | 17:15 |
| * SpeedEvil remembers the Natural Law party. | 17:15 | |
| lcuk | I now have the bodyform advert song in my head :| | 17:15 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | fuck | 17:23 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | i was working on a freerdp/remmina port for a while | 17:23 |
| Sazpaimon_ | then someone else does it | 17:23 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | oh looks like he only did freerdp | 17:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | remmina is still fair game | 17:25 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus | 17:25 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ping | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Cool. | 17:32 |
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| divan | Does debian/optify handle python modules installations? | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | divan: If your Python modules go into the right place, they are already in an optified volume | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | divan: Python makes /usr/lib/python (and a few other places) optified | 17:35 |
| divan | Jaffa, ah, right. Thanks. | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | divan: You can see them by typing "mount" in X Terminal | 17:35 |
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| lardman | so what do we think about implementation, I guess fork is not the thing to do in Qt? ;) | 17:50 |
| lardman | QtService? | 17:51 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Filled in a gap in the Proximus spec - and proposed some syntax. Once you've got syntax the rest of the design can be derived :) | 17:57 |
| lardman | cool, /me looks now | 17:58 |
| Jaffa | lardman: The engine's going to have to be quite smart about when push events (e.g. timers or dbus signals) might contribute to trigerring a rule | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | lardman: It's basically an inference engine like JBoss Drools | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: the BB5 RAPUYAMA "modem" in N900 however is a mature phone chip(set) used in several *phones* of Nokia | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: so there's no excuse for N900 not supporting *full* functionset of those | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except obvious things like "reset all to factory: **1570*yes#" or similar foo, as that'd need the modem controlling the APE, which is definitely sth nobody wants to have | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lenovo's UEFI can't actually boot GPT. What a surprise. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | still thinking UEFI was meant for booting GPT, and MBR/partitiontab was just a legacy extension | 18:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, in terms of software standards, maemo however is really half baked if anything | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you have to code the msdos loader extension in UEFI yourself, in fourth | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course Lenovo vehemently claims it does. | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is why I'm still primarily a consumer of Apple hardware. | 18:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is not a fan of dicking around with this shit. | 18:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | when lenovo claims it does, it should do, no? | 18:10 |
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| lardman | ~lart TalkTalk | 18:16 |
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| lardman | So I have indeed been talking to myself, I see from checking the logs | 18:17 |
| lardman | lardman> presumably one structures this like a tree, with a join at the top and each join containing two joins/conditions? | 18:17 |
| lardman | <lardman> anyone have any experience of this? | 18:17 |
| lardman | <lardman> I'm thinking a class called e.g. Boolean_item, which is subclassed by Condition, Joins, and Brackets | 18:17 |
| lardman | <lardman> might as well split NOT away from Joins too | 18:17 |
| lardman | <lardman> so each join has a root and is root for two more Boolean_items | 18:17 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I see your comment in the log re push events | 18:22 |
| lardman | will there be non-push events? | 18:22 |
| lardman | if a given condition receives a push event (these will probably have to be managed with condition objects registering for a notification to provide a single point of access), then it can signal its root join/Boolean object to check the state, and keep propagating the signal up as long as it is true | 18:24 |
| lardman | at least that would be my first thought | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yes, for a non-push event I imagine it's triggered by another push event (e.g. a timer) | 18:26 |
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| lardman | timers are reasonably easy, but location will be less so | 18:27 |
| lardman | as the events we want require some analysis of the location, not just the provided push event that it has changed | 18:28 |
| lardman | but still that can be abstracted away in a location manager type object with which location events must register | 18:28 |
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| edheldil | lardman: proximus reminds me of profile switcher for PalmOS. | 18:32 |
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| lardman | edheldil: well that is part of what we would like to achieve | 18:32 |
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| lardman | but it may as well be made very flexible, as both an interesting challenge, and to avoid lots of apps all doing the same thing | 18:33 |
| lardman | needing to do the same thing | 18:33 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yeah, so the "push" event isn't raw and without processing | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | lardman: They can be artificially generated | 18:44 |
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| lardman | timer events probably could be raw, with each of the condition object just waiting to be signalled, but even then it might make sense to use a timer manager to only have the minimum of active timers required | 18:46 |
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| lardman | e.g. if you had a couple of timers both elapsing at the same time, would make sense to just have one and farm out the result | 18:47 |
| lardman | s/farm/send | 18:47 |
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| * lardman thinks it would be nice to Qtcreator to provide a nice tree view of the class hierarchy | 18:57 | |
| lardman | s/to/for | 18:57 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | oh god | 18:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | this freerdp port is awful | 18:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it takes over the entire desktop | 18:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and there's no way to quit without pressing the power button and selecting to end the task | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA | 19:01 |
| lardman | 1 miiiilion dollars | 19:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer found canola to be the same, that's why it got binned here | 19:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: +1000 | 19:02 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't want to close from dashboard with ctrl-backspace | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I admit I forgot how ctl-bs is supposed to work on non-M hd | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | canola is a stinking pile of bio-fertilizer when it comes to GUI | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw ovi-maps isn't really so much better ;-) | 19:05 |
| edheldil | it's POS too, 'tis for sure | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | non-M hd? | 19:06 |
| RST38h | <yawn> What is new and exciting, gentlemen? | 19:06 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't seen a good map app yet, but ovi is most usable so far I think.. | 19:06 | |
| Jaffa | lardman: It might also be worth trying to think about not being too granular on the timers, so only 5 minute accuracy? | 19:07 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, command line sms sending, where do I dig in the wiki for thee details? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: phone_control | 19:07 |
| lcuk | :D thanks | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | at bottom of page | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:08 |
| lardman | Jaffa: agreed, and same on the location stuff | 19:08 |
| lardman | bbiam, /me moves to the living room + netbook | 19:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Maep | 19:08 |
| edheldil | lardman: 5 minutes is rather lot ... | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | The biggest thing that makes Ovi usable is that it has good map data :P | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | Sygic has that too, but its crashiness and crappy search are friggin annoying. | 19:09 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But you better reboot your N900 every time you use it | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Huge swap hog | 19:10 |
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| ShadowJK | why would I reboot.. | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Being a web app and all | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Shadow: So that you have got fresh swap partition =) | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | it only uses marginally more than browsing tmo :-) | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | I don't need to reboot to have fresh swap partition | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: I no longer browse with the microb either | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Opera. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: modified/matan's HD | 19:11 |
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| ShadowJK | well in stock install you arrive at dashboard? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, so it's same | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | just you have that nice additional rotation of thumbnails *in* dashboard | 19:13 |
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| lardman|home | re | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | with MHD | 19:13 |
| lardman|home | that took a while | 19:13 |
| lardman|home | long walk from the study to the living room | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye, will take a while | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, Ovi has the worst map data here :p | 19:13 |
| lardman|home | certainly has the worst map application | 19:16 |
| lardman|home | argh, bloody unity | 19:16 |
| * lardman|home tries to work out how to get rid of it | 19:17 | |
| lardman|home | Ubuntu have signed their death warrant making this the default in 11.04 | 19:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: GNOME3 is not that much different | 19:19 |
| RST38h | The whole thing feels like regression from the normal desktop concept | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, aiming to make a touchable presence I believe | 19:22 |
| lardman|home | touchable is good on the right platform | 19:23 |
| lardman|home | any ideas what I should try to install then to get rid of Unity? | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: still not sufficient explanation | 19:23 |
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| lardman|home | lcuk: they also need to make the applications touch friendly | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, just flip to classic? | 19:24 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, yes | 19:24 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: that is the major issue with Ubuntu on the Tab | 19:24 |
| lcuk | that is the connunderum most face | 19:24 |
| lcuk | it is the same on windows | 19:24 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: yeah, how do I do that? | 19:24 |
| lcuk | apps designed for mouse are tricky to modify | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, I already told you yesterday | 19:24 |
| RST38h | First of all, they need bloody touchscreens everywhere | 19:25 |
| RST38h | And I do notsee those too much | 19:25 |
| lcuk | they need apps designed for touchscreens | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | no, we obviously need mind control | 19:25 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: did you? I must pay more attention | 19:25 |
| lcuk | i made you type that MohammadAG | 19:25 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Just need a human secretary | 19:25 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, you were paying attention :p | 19:25 |
| lardman|home | RST38h: to operate the computer for me? | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | logout, click your name, click ubuntu classic in the bottom menu, login | 19:26 |
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| lardman|home | oh that | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, you did? | 19:26 |
| lardman|home | I didn't see that again | 19:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: for example, yes | 19:26 |
| lardman|home | hang on, I'll give it a go | 19:26 |
| lardman|home | bbiam | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | and that. | 19:26 |
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| lardman|home | MohammadAG: you're a star | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | nah, I just give advice that doesn't work for me | 19:28 |
| RST38h | heh | 19:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer controls MohammadAG 's mind | 19:28 | |
| lardman|home | anyway good riddance to that Unity crap | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | gnome-panels are broken, can't initialize applets here, so I either 1) reinstall Ubuntu 2) fix what's wrong (no idea) or 3) stick to unity | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on 3 atm | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | I like bacon | 19:28 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | nothing wrong with liking bacon | 19:29 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, install windows xp | 19:29 |
| * lcuk hides | 19:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm BACON | 19:29 |
| lcuk | mmm bacon | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 19:29 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: I have WinXP installed on the netbook too, but I find it easier developing Linux applications on Linux... ;) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | Francis Bacon? | 19:30 |
| lardman|home | mmmm bacon | 19:30 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, ping | 19:31 |
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| lardman|home | MohammadAG: I only upgraded because dpkg started throwing fits about repos without something or other | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, I upgraded and that broke my applets | 19:34 |
| lardman|home | well I can feel happy that it seems to be working | 19:34 |
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| lardman|home | an indeed even the wifi seems to work better now | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | haha placebo, the best upgrade ever | 19:36 |
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| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer51: indeed ;) | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman|home, can you paste me the output of ls /usr/lib/gnome-panel/ | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | and gnome-applets | 19:38 |
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| lardman|home | simon@simon-N140:~$ ls /usr/lib/gnome-panel/ | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | clock-applet gnome-panel-add notification-area-applet | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | fish-applet modules wnck-applet | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | simon@simon-N140:~$ ls /usr/lib/gnome-applets/ | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | accessx-status-applet geyes_applet2 null_applet | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | charpick_applet2 gweather-applet-2 stickynotes_applet | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | cpufreq-applet invest-applet trashapplet | 19:39 |
| lardman|home | drivemount_applet2 multiload-applet-2 | 19:39 |
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| RST38h | Authorities in Spain say they have arrested three members of the hacktivist collective Anonymous and seized at least one computer used in the attacks on Sony. | 19:59 |
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| lardman|home | I'm sure that will take a chunk out of the DoS capabilities | 20:03 |
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| Jef91 | Anyone know of a good set of instructions for installing debian ARM on the n900? | 20:12 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I've applied for a Garage project and have started writing some code to get some ideas down | 20:17 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Cool | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, does hermes import contacts? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | or just update them a bit? | 20:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | Wifi power saving mode doesn't work with dd-wrte? | 20:25 |
| Sc0rpius | dd-wrt? | 20:25 |
| Sc0rpius | that sucks man | 20:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sc0rpius: worked here. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | DD-WRT is shit, though. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sc0rpius, usually the issue is the router and not the N900. | 20:27 |
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| Sc0rpius | well I like DD-WRT since it can measure bandwidth consumption | 20:28 |
| Sc0rpius | but if there's another (OpenSource) option out there I could try it out no problem | 20:29 |
| Sc0rpius | it seems DD-WRT doesn't work well with ANY Nokia with WifI power-saving mode enabled. If it's turned off it works alright | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tomato is nice | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try a different version | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | dd-wrt has no problems with power saving here. | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's not just DD-WRT. | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | the N900 has a intermediate power-saving option, if I use that, it works | 20:32 |
| Sc0rpius | but I use the default power-saving mode, I lose connectivity after a few seconds | 20:32 |
| Sc0rpius | but I lose it TO the N900, not FROM the N900 | 20:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean: I ssh to the N900, it won't work unless the N900 is doing something, like a constant ping | 20:32 |
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| Sc0rpius | or something else that uses the network | 20:33 |
| wmarone_ | Sc0rpius: what router do you have (hardware)? | 20:33 |
| Sc0rpius | I have a Linksys WRT54G2 | 20:34 |
| Sc0rpius | with DD-WRT v24-sp2 micro - build 14896 I can change that to whatever it shows mrtg-like graphics | 20:34 |
| Sc0rpius | or at least let me turn on a snmpd | 20:34 |
| wmarone_ | hmm | 20:34 |
| Jef91 | Anyone know of a good set of instructions for installing debian ARM on the n900? | 20:35 |
| Sc0rpius | with the Linksys stock firmware it worked like a charm | 20:35 |
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| Sc0rpius | Jef91, there's already a package called something like Easy Debian that has wizard and everything | 20:35 |
| Sc0rpius | that you can look for it in your Application Mananager | 20:36 |
| Jef91 | No | 20:36 |
| Jef91 | I want to actually install it as a second OS | 20:36 |
| Jef91 | not just run it in a chroot | 20:36 |
| wmarone_ | Sc0rpius: if you're feeling adventurous, you could try openwrt and see if that fixes things | 20:36 |
| wmarone_ | I know my router and n900 never worked with power saving modes, but I don't know if it was a dd-wrt or a hardware thing | 20:37 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder if that supports my router, Tomato doesn't (I just checked it) | 20:37 |
| wmarone_ | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt54g#info | 20:38 |
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| wmarone_ | I think it does | 20:38 |
| wmarone_ | hm | 20:39 |
| wmarone_ | the WRT54G2 is not the WRT54G v2.0 | 20:39 |
| Sc0rpius | no heh | 20:39 |
| wmarone_ | maybe not (yet) | 20:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | the WRT54G2 is the one that looks like a cockroach and doesn't have antennas | 20:39 |
| wmarone_ | oh, ouch | 20:39 |
| wmarone_ | it's one with a tiny amount of flash | 20:40 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah, 16 MB I think | 20:40 |
| wmarone_ | 16? | 20:40 |
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| wmarone_ | everything I see says it's using vxworks and needs the "micro" builds of dd-wrt | 20:41 |
| wmarone_ | which would indicate 2-4MB | 20:41 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 20:41 |
| Sc0rpius | checking... | 20:41 |
| wmarone_ | yeah, 2MB flash, 16MB RAM | 20:41 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah that is | 20:42 |
| Sc0rpius | 16MB of RAM and 2MB flash | 20:42 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: It can create them, yes | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: e.g. birthday only from Facebook, or full info from LinkedIn | 20:44 |
| MetalGearSolid | @Jef91 .. try this https://elektranox.org/n900/ (haven't tested myself :D ) | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? | 21:12 |
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| dangergrrl | my bandwidth reset | 21:31 |
| dangergrrl | i will be listening to Rammstein in an hour! :) but i need to kill ff to run the sdk vm | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | Ah, ehlo dangergrrl | 21:33 |
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| dangergrrl | oh hai | 21:34 |
| dangergrrl | i thought i was in trouble | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...how do I disablepage previews in google search? | 21:40 |
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| Proteous | the same way you disable instant serch, you don't | 21:46 |
| Proteous | you just let your phone browser crawl along | 21:46 |
| Proteous | and curse google | 21:46 |
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| RST38h | I disabledinstant search via settings | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Log into google - click the 'gear' to the far right of the page on the top | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | then click search settings, - scroll down to goolge instant - and deselect it | 21:48 |
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| RST38h | freaking previews are not disableablethough | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes they are | 21:51 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, want to try to push the TSG issue to the next meeting agenda? | 22:13 |
| * Jaffa was thinking of mailing Imad :) | 22:14 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Is there a meeting schedu;ed? | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no, which makes this a good time to start filling up an agenda. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, what was the tweet for? | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: fingers falling off | 22:14 |
| lcuk | :D:D:D | 22:15 |
| lcuk | it is just a bit squashed but had forgotten that | 22:15 |
| lcuk | / strange for me | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Heh. Good plan. I'm up for it, if ppl think it's a good idea | 22:15 |
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| * Jaffa 's choices of OS never ends well though, I could be the death knell for MeeGo: Acorn & RISC OS, Psion & EPOC, Nokia & Maemo... | 22:16 | |
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| divan | Does anyone knows why garage autobuilder replaces #!/usr/bin/python with #!//scratchbox/tools/bin/python ? And how to tell it not to replace? | 22:17 |
| lizardo | divan: make sure your code (including debian/rules) use python2.5 instead of just "python" | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | divan: Python in Scratchbox is special. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | jaffa, you missed amiga workbench thankfully | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Thankfully indeed. | 22:18 |
| * lcuk admired that OS greatly | 22:18 | |
| lizardo | divan: also see last question in http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | You look like an Amiga user :-p | 22:19 |
| lcuk | by the way jaffa <lcuk> liqbase liqstar liq* liqOS | 22:19 |
| Jaffa | ^lcuk: | 22:19 |
| * lcuk has gutu meditations occasionally | 22:19 | |
| divan | lizardo, thanks a lot. | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yes, it's a good idea. | 22:19 |
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| javispedro | jaffa4tsg! | 22:21 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 22:21 |
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| javispedro | you don't really have a choice, it's that or sharing a room with abill_uk for the next ten years! | 22:24 |
| javispedro | ;P | 22:25 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Those are the exact two options? | 22:36 |
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| javispedro | well, no, abill_uk may or may not be having a meego-based device with him. | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a world of false dichotomies. Get used to it. | 22:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, abill_uk gets a new meego device. | 22:39 |
| SpeedEvil | But it has 120gramms of C4 in it. | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a 120++g device? :-o | 22:44 |
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| Macer | m.google.com stopped working with mfe | 23:16 |
| Macer | wtf | 23:16 |
| Macer | :) | 23:16 |
| Macer | would be nice to have a google syncing app for maemo that worked | 23:16 |
| Macer | syncevolution seems to work | 23:17 |
| Macer | i have to run 3 apps just to sync google.. awesome | 23:17 |
| KMFDM | i ended up paying up for nuevasync | 23:18 |
| Macer | works with google? | 23:18 |
| Macer | i have to use syncevolution for contacts.. erminig for calendar and imap for mail :) | 23:19 |
| Macer | it's kind of retarded | 23:19 |
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| Macer | i might be able to sync it all with syncevolution but i don't want to screw up my contacts | 23:20 |
| Macer | er... calendar | 23:20 |
| Macer | syncevolution doesn't do email anyways.. and i don't think the gmail "exchange" server works too well to begin with | 23:21 |
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