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| penster | is there a better device runnin maemo than n900 | 00:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | no, there isn't | 00:03 |
| penster | hmmm..... if it wasnt for battery life | 00:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | standby battery life for me is quite good. | 00:10 |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: well the problem is that most people want to use the device :) | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | True. | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It regrettably won't last a day if i'm out for 8 hoursish wanting it to entertain me for most of that. | 00:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Battery usage with 3g active is best described by the phrase 'nom nom nom' | 00:17 |
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| cehteh | whatching youtube on 3g ... i never tried but prolly your battery would last 1 hr or less | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | naah. | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Not less. | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | But not very close to 2h. | 00:19 |
| cehteh | but you can use the device as pizza oven :) | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | when I'm at 9km from base station, hspa seems to use about 700-900mA | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | screw flash, use your own player | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | I use either QtMultimediaKit or mplayer, both work well | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | within 1km indoor or 2km outdoor of same basestation, it's more like 350mA | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Sometimes you can't not use flash. | 00:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | unless you do hte 'work out the sites protocol, and reverse engineer a client' for it thing. | 00:26 |
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| MohammadAG | what sites need flash and open fine on the N900 anyway | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...meanwhile: kino.to down + 13 arrested. Germany had its first IPv6 test day. Facebook enable face detection for german site | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, youtube, MohammadAG | 00:32 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, use custom scripts to watch them in mplayer | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | or qmltube (it's actually good for a qml app) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | battery life | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that might be a point | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | and better quality | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | youtube plays at like 240p in the browser | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | qmltube can play 360p | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | (or 480p, not sure) | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | but either way, that's better than youtube.com | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | I also handle videos in Sociality, with QtMultimedia (which works quite well) | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I love how N900 works for this page: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=25707&mode=play | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | even on "dsl 1mb" over UMTS | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, no flash but avi or sth, in mediaplayer | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the way it *should* be | 00:41 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, a mozilla dev can easily help out | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | while this one http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/sendung/ts27094.html kinda sucks | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG | a plugin that calls some other app which plays the video would be very appreciated | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: help out on what? | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | the way the iPhone does it | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, forward the .flv or .swf link | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | I have no idea about microB/firefox plugin devel | 00:45 |
| hiemanshu | the way iPhone does is it to find if the site supports mp4 playback (not sure about 3gp), and if it does, it opens it up in quicktime | 00:47 |
| hiemanshu | Youtube is opened by the youtube app that opens it as mp4 | 00:47 |
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| hiemanshu | if there is no mp4 support, the video just wont play, which is why we have this other browser | 00:48 |
| * hiemanshu can't recall the namne | 00:48 | |
| hiemanshu | name* | 00:48 |
| hiemanshu | it supposedly can play flash stuff | 00:48 |
| lardman | re | 00:48 |
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| hiemanshu | skyfire is the name | 00:48 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, point is, it doesn't play videos it can play in the browser | 00:55 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes | 00:55 |
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| * lardman dislikes the Ubunto 11.04 launcher | 00:59 | |
| lardman | s/o/u | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | Unity? | 00:59 |
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| lardman | no idea, bar down the lefthand side | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | that's not just a launcher :p | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's Unity | 01:00 |
| lardman | am wondering how to get back to the old-skool stuff | 01:00 |
| * hiemanshu is yet to try installing scratchbox on a fedora machine | 01:00 | |
| MohammadAG | logout, select Ubuntu classic in the bottom thing before entering your pass | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | (and after selecting your username) | 01:01 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: delete Ubuntu and install Fedora? :P | 01:01 |
| lardman | I don't have that menu any more | 01:01 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: ;) | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | you should, Ubuntu 11.04 has it | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | 11.10 won't | 01:02 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: enter your username, hit enter, and it should show you the menu | 01:02 |
| lardman | well perhaps it has removed the other wms so doesn't show it? | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xTketT17548/Tc3r18TqTDI/AAAAAAAAAIk/pqVSSnyEDcI/s1600/regular-ubuntu11.04-desktop.png | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | no, there's a recovery console mode | 01:02 |
| hiemanshu | Ubuntu is meh | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | Fedora is meh | 01:02 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: :P | 01:03 |
| * MohammadAG puts on flamewar hat and foam finger | 01:03 | |
| * lardman doesn't care, but Maemo dev is at least possible under Ubuntu | 01:03 | |
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| lardman | ouch, foam will melt | 01:03 |
| * hiemanshu just ported one his PyQt to C++ | 01:03 | |
| MohammadAG | ~fedora | 01:03 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: it's a hat | 01:04 |
| lardman | ;) | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, I know :p | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | but ~ubuntu is umm, nsfw | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | just thought someone had a witty "definition" | 01:04 |
| lardman | :D | 01:04 |
| hiemanshu | someone once told me that a fedora would look nice on me | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | ~ubuntu | 01:04 |
| infobot | i guess ubuntu is caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg | 01:04 |
| hiemanshu | hah | 01:04 |
| lardman | hmm, not sure about witty :D | 01:04 |
| hiemanshu | Invalid domain :P | 01:05 |
| nox- | hiemanshu, ubuntu is an ancient african word for `i could not configure debian' | 01:05 |
| nox- | :P | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | damn imageshack | 01:05 |
| lardman | Ubuntu is certainly better than Mandrake | 01:05 |
| lardman | but still has no clue about multi-head support | 01:05 |
| hiemanshu | nox-: and debian is an ancient word for 'I couldn't use slackware, and rpm based stuff is too l33t for me' :P | 01:06 |
| nox- | :) | 01:06 |
| lardman | There are still, unfortunately, some things where Windows is light years ahead of Linux | 01:06 |
| hiemanshu | Mandrake? didn't they change names to Mandriva? | 01:06 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: like BSODs? | 01:06 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: probably, was a long time ago | 01:06 |
| wblaze | lardman: xorg autodetects all of my multihead setups | 01:07 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: bsod, not seen one of those recently, in fact seen more oopses tbh | 01:07 |
| wblaze | usually even gets the monitor placement right | 01:07 |
| lardman | wblaze: how many monitors and cards? | 01:07 |
| wmarone | wblaze: but how easy is it to reconfigure? | 01:07 |
| wblaze | dead simple, imo | 01:07 |
| lardman | wblaze: and do you have to have a separate X-server per monitor? | 01:07 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: I haven't seen one in ages too, mostly because my windows machine is only used for gaming and media | 01:08 |
| wmarone | ls | 01:08 |
| wmarone | doh | 01:08 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: I use one at work, it still has some serious usability advantages over Linux | 01:08 |
| wblaze | and depends on the system, 1x2, 2x4, 3x3 that i can think of off the top of my hea | 01:08 |
| wblaze | d | 01:08 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: I agree to that, but I am really more to used to the commandline now | 01:09 |
| lardman | I have 3 monitors, 2 cards, one nVidia one ATi, have to use the deprecated Xinerama, have to set up myself | 01:09 |
| wblaze | the 3x3 is seperate, but i think there was a reason I did that | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | buntkuh, meh! http://xkcd.com/424/ | 01:09 |
| wblaze | don't remember why, though | 01:09 |
| lardman | because it;s really hard for them to be joined? ;) | 01:09 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: eh, cant you just go into settings and change it? | 01:09 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: works for me | 01:09 |
| lardman | hiemanshu: nope, it is uninterested | 01:10 |
| lardman | Xorg.conf all the way unfortunately | 01:10 |
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| hiemanshu | lardman: WTF, I would just go to display settings, make a change, and it has always worked | 01:10 |
| lardman | display settings has never liked the fact I have 2 different vendors' cards | 01:11 |
| lardman | an when it does play ball it screws up the res | 01:11 |
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| lardman | considering the effort it takes to set it all up again, I'm loathe to move to something else while I want to do anything useful with the box | 01:12 |
| lardman | and let's not move onto hw accel across multi-head setups, especially those with multiple vendors ;) | 01:12 |
| * lardman is no Windows zealot, just likes the fact some simple things just work | 01:14 | |
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| GAN900 | Hellooo, OS X. | 01:22 |
| RST38h | OS X does not work for me | 01:22 |
| RST38h | WiFi can;t stay up for more than 5 minutes. Videos did not play out of the box. | 01:23 |
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| GAN900 | Video doesn't play out on the box on anything. | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | it does on my PS3 :p | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:57 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, meh indeed | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | my MEH day | 02:34 |
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| nox- | whats up? | 02:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meh U | 02:49 |
| * nox- none the wiser | 02:50 | |
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| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer51: how much paracord do i need? | 02:57 |
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| dangergrrl | is 30meters enough | 02:57 |
| dangergrrl | sorry you likely do not know | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's paracord? | 02:58 |
| dangergrrl | ultralight rope | 02:58 |
| dangergrrl | for living outside | 02:58 |
| dangergrrl | did not thing you would answer anyhow | 02:59 |
| dangergrrl | and i have been having bacardi 151 | 02:59 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, #liqbase ping | 02:59 |
| dangergrrl | if you were leaving to go explore europe how much rope would you bring? | 03:00 |
| dangergrrl | is 100 roman feet enough? | 03:01 |
| dangergrrl | a bit over 30 meters | 03:01 |
| dangergrrl | lcuk will you forgive me? | 03:02 |
| dangergrrl | no | 03:02 |
| dangergrrl | i refrain | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn IRC disconnects | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 03:04 |
| infobot | ~pong | 03:04 |
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| dangergrrl | 0x81 | 03:06 |
| Gh0sty | dangergrrl: depends which part of europe :p | 03:07 |
| dangergrrl | how much rope would you bring to the alps? | 03:07 |
| dangergrrl | i am going to the american continental divide | 03:07 |
| Gh0sty | ah alps | 03:07 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 03:07 |
| Gh0sty | what you plan to do? :p | 03:08 |
| Gh0sty | climbing | 03:08 |
| dangergrrl | just sleeping | 03:08 |
| dangergrrl | and there is this thing i saw at REI i think i want | 03:08 |
| Gh0sty | someone needs to rope you to get you to sleep? :p | 03:08 |
| Gh0sty | or to stay away from pcs? :p | 03:08 |
| Choom | LOL | 03:08 |
| dangergrrl | it says you can use your smartphone to sms from sat | 03:09 |
| Gh0sty | friend of mine was looking for paracord | 03:09 |
| Gh0sty | but he is the guy who is going for a hike in the woods not to be heard of for 15 days ... :) | 03:09 |
| Gh0sty | think thats a bit crazy :/ | 03:09 |
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| Choom | bear grylls style | 03:11 |
| Gh0sty | not drinking his pee though :p | 03:11 |
| Gh0sty | at least that i know of O_o | 03:11 |
| Choom | what about enemas? | 03:12 |
| Gh0sty | give me a trip to NYC | 03:12 |
| Gh0sty | not somewhere out in the middle of nowhere :/ | 03:12 |
| Gh0sty | went this year to sweden and finland capitals ... finland is already deserted enough for me ;p | 03:13 |
| Gh0sty | not much people out in spring ... | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | who stole my marker lines in xchat? >:-( | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hi | 03:27 |
| infobot | hello, docscrutinizer51 | 03:27 |
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| Psi | what pptp vpn client package is the best to install (with gui) | 06:10 |
| GAN900 | http://blog.flickr.net/en/2011/06/08/plane-trails/ | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | trying to download mp3 from a sansa sandisk mp3-clip. Looks completely empty when mounted as mass storage under linux :-( Any hints? | 06:16 |
| Psi | maybe it is partitioned | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several dirs that all are empty | 06:18 |
| Psi | and not just hidden files? | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | unplugged it now, but I recall dirs like MUSIC, RECORDINGS... | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, no, my konqueror is set up to show .files | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | there've been like 4 dirs, one 1.5MB file that had some binary content looking like a content listing judging by the strings I've seen... | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be some iSync crap, or dunno what | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm lost on that thing | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | cute little thing, even has an (empty) uSD slot, but when there's no content visible though device starts playback of a song on unplugging... | 06:24 |
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| GAN900 | Wipe it and start over? | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | "music->dirs->[internal storage] MTP->((lots of subdirs)) | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, that's not why I borrowed it :-P | 06:30 |
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| GAN900 | Ah | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange shit | 06:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | moaning | 06:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks it's cause by solar strom | 06:34 | |
| MohammadAG51 | exactly what I'm gonna do later today | 06:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, more like 3 hours of sleep | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly what I'm doing right now | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | mourning | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | (with MeeGo) | 06:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | I have 5 alarms set up each 2 minutes far apart in case I fall asleep | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a sansa with lots of nice music on it and can't access it via USB | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | They wont work. | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarms are fubar on maemo | 06:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | remind me to find a way to make the stop button segfault the dialog | 06:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer plugs in the sansa once more | 06:36 | |
| GAN900 | I hate when it hits sleep when I'm taking it out of my pocket. | 06:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | Sansas use Mass Storage afaik | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | they do, at least I get it mounted - alas the MUSIC is not there... | 06:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | I hope my lockscreen concept drives people to make more lockscreens to "replace" maemo's | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | AUDIBLE, AUDIOBOOKS, MUSIC, PODCASTS, RECORD - all dirs | 06:39 |
| GAN900 | And pretty soon we'll be Android! | 06:39 |
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| GAN900 | Who wants to start the 12 Days of Maemo 6? | 06:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, hit Ctrl+h | 06:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all empty, except RECORD, which has FM and VOICE | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-h?? | 06:41 |
| GAN900 | 1st day should be a burning platform. | 06:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: hitting ctrl-h has no reasonable meaning in konqueror | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the device has no kbd to do that | 06:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | ctrl+h shows hidden folders on nautilus | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine is set up to show hidden by dfault | 06:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | "find" the shit | 06:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/119276/ | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/119277/ | 06:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, I know and already said it's my MEH day | 06:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, go to sleep | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH! | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.fixya.com/support/t1742335-sandisk_2gig_no_longer_plays_mp3s | 07:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | exactly, on such a day you won't feel productive | 07:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | so that's what I'd do | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | listening to the songs that aren't there :-S | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2.1MB 4 files, 7 dirs - 392.5MB of 3.7BG free 90% full | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck that shit | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wondering if I should copy a .mp3 TO the piece of crap | 07:14 |
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| hiemanshu | flac FTW :D | 07:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | got an mp3 to flac converter in the sense that it finds flac versions of an mp3 song? :P | 07:16 |
| hiemanshu | naah | 07:17 |
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| hiemanshu | most of my music is AAC (iTunes) or m4a, haven't used mp3 in a while | 07:17 |
| hiemanshu | is there a twitter client out there? | 07:18 |
| cehteh | for the n900? | 07:18 |
| cehteh | about 2 dozen :) | 07:19 |
| hiemanshu | any good ones? | 07:19 |
| cehteh | what is twitter btw? :) | 07:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | sure it's not 3 dozen? | 07:19 |
| * cehteh doesnt use it | 07:19 | |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG51: where is the source to sociality? | 07:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's the one place where stalking is legal | 07:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | hiemanshu, gitorious.org/qtbook | 07:19 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG51: mars :) | 07:19 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG51: I am still learning C++, well I wrote a couple of apps in C++ last night (the ones I had in PyQt already) so yeah might look at the source and fix something if I can :) | 07:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | don't know if anything's broken and is an easy fix :P | 07:21 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG51: there is http://wiki.maemo.org/Sociality#Planned_.2F_Requested_Features:P | 07:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, they're not that easy to implement | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible... :-( Going have breakfast | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | banging my head against some nice all on my way | 07:23 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG51: sure, but well I know a lot more C++ than I thought I knew :P | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 07:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | your call, just follow the same syntax if you're going to provide patches :p | 07:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | if (foo) instead of if(foo) etc | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 07:24 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG51: Sure, well its going to be a learning experience after all, if nothing, I'll learn quite a bit :P | 07:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | I learned C++/Qt through examples | 07:25 |
| hiemanshu | Yeah, I have been through most of the examples | 07:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha, inserted a uSD, triggered "updating database" - OMFG | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I think it hangs halfway | 07:27 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, maemo.org Qt apps, not Qt examples :p | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope I nuked it now | 07:27 |
| MohammadAG | also my keyboard looks brighter at one side for some reason | 07:27 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah | 07:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, check brightness for the kbd(1..6)_led | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you fried one of those? | 07:30 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the thing about learning is that, its easy and fun until you do simple stuff, but once you look at a real world application, you freak :P | 07:32 |
| hiemanshu | freak out* | 07:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm betting it's my eyes though | 07:32 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, look at logs from last year, I "hated" C/C++/Qt | 07:32 |
| Shoruken | just found out my n900 won't flash cause i have some cheap "charging only" usb cable. didn't know they made those | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd call that broken | 07:33 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: lol | 07:33 |
| Shoruken | seriously why would they make a usb cable charging only | 07:34 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well, until a month ago I hated C/C++, but eventually gave in because almost everything I use is mostly C++ | 07:34 |
| Shoruken | nearly threw my phone out the window | 07:34 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: because its cheaper? | 07:34 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, prob right ;P | 07:34 |
| Shoruken | how's QT these days? | 07:35 |
| MohammadAG | I hated it cause I didn't know it | 07:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer trows some sandisk crap out the window | 07:35 | |
| MohammadAG | Qt is awesome | 07:35 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: like you said you bought a cheap USB cable, well I'd blame you for that | 07:35 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, i bought a charger, had no idea there existed usb cables that were so cheap as to not add a few wires for data xfer | 07:36 |
| hiemanshu | Qt sure is awesome | 07:36 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: well, it could be worse :P | 07:36 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, yeah i could have thrown my phone out da window ;) | 07:36 |
| Shoruken | that said I don't think i'll be installing nitdroid again | 07:36 |
| hiemanshu | there is a reason they charge extra for decent stuff, It works :P | 07:36 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: well, send it over to me, I have a few friends who want a N900 :P | 07:37 |
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| Shoruken | hiemanshu, i was seriously about to donate my n900 to someone in here like MohammadAG if i couldn't get it working :P | 07:37 |
| Shoruken | but now that i discovered the root of my prob i'll keep it! | 07:38 |
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| hiemanshu | Shoruken: MohammadAG probably has a lot of them, send it to me :P | 07:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer holds fingernail to the tip of that progressbar... does it move??... oh, it moves backwards... Nah, that's my fingernail growing ;-P | 07:38 | |
| MohammadAG | send it to someone else, I already have 2, thanks though :P | 07:38 |
| hiemanshu | I could probably use another one | 07:38 |
| Shoruken | how does Qt compare with .NET in noob friendliness? | 07:38 |
| MohammadAG | I think .NET is a bit more noob friendly | 07:38 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a doc, and the docs are very easy to use | 07:38 |
| MohammadAG | but only a bit | 07:38 |
| hiemanshu | s/doc/day/ | 07:39 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: Shoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a day, and the docs are very easy to use | 07:39 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's docs are the best docs though | 07:39 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 07:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if they used a 2bit processor in that thing, clocked @ 50Hz | 07:39 | |
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| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG: I saw you have been busy on the bubble front | 07:39 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, sort of, done the backends, Venemo's doing the frontends | 07:39 |
| Shoruken | that's good, I was about to get serious on Qt learnin' and lost myself by subbing to WoW | 07:40 |
| MohammadAG | it's mainly a go at Nokia Bubbles in pure Qt (without any QML) | 07:40 |
| Shoruken | i haven't kept up with maemo stuff lately, what's the future hold for the n900? | 07:40 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I might as well not bother then. | 07:40 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 07:40 |
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| MohammadAG | it's a matter of personal choice | 07:41 |
| MohammadAG | some mays like your screen, others may like the nokia bubbles clone | 07:41 |
| MohammadAG | having custom lockscreens is like having custom themes | 07:41 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I guess so. It is kind of duplicated effort though. | 07:42 |
| MohammadAG | well, no, you plan on using QML (ala quick-widgets), we don't | 07:43 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Still have the qt-components (qml) for maemo on my list. This theme stuff suck though ;-) | 07:43 |
| Shoruken | i wish someone would make swype work on maemo | 07:43 |
| GonzoTheGreat | getting all the info on margins/padding and so is laborious. | 07:43 |
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| hiemanshu | google doodle++ | 07:44 |
| MohammadAG | Shoruken, swype? no, some custom swype-like algorithm based keyboard, maybe | 07:45 |
| MohammadAG | either way, I'm not the guy for algorithms | 07:45 |
| Shoruken | i like the way swype feels though, and i've tried another thing that was similar didn't feel as good | 07:45 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Back to qml lock-screen. If I go for it I will probably wrap the backend stuff from the bubbles. That should be common functionality | 07:46 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: well swype isn't open source, so you would have to write most of the stuff on your own | 07:46 |
| Shoruken | true, there any swype opensource alternatives? | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG | imho, I did the backends well this time | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG | I plan to add MeeGo / Maemo 6 support, the code is ready for cross platform use | 07:47 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I'll see when I try to make bindings ;-) | 07:47 |
| Shoruken | google doesn't show anything i can use ;( | 07:47 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, basically, the UI is pure Qt, e.g you call SystemPlayer::resume(), and it resumes the default player | 07:48 |
| MohammadAG | on maemo 5, that's mafw, but you don't have to worry about that, the class handles it | 07:48 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: there is slide it, but that isn't free either | 07:48 |
| MohammadAG | I love multiple closed source efforts | 07:49 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, i'm surprised no one has anythign open source on something like this at this point in time | 07:49 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: well for most people swype works, and really it doesn't matter to me much if it isn't open source if it does the stuff its supposed to do | 07:49 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: (I own an iPhone too :P) | 07:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG: Have you done telepathy access yet? | 07:50 |
| Shoruken | there any swype-like keyboard for iphone? i'll be owning one soon as a hand me down ;) | 07:50 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: nope there are none | 07:50 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, for what? | 07:50 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, you sure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS9exNHoD3M | 07:51 |
| GonzoTheGreat | number of sms, IMs, missed calls etc | 07:51 |
| Shoruken | omg | 07:51 |
| Shoruken | it's in an app thing only | 07:51 |
| Shoruken | can't replace keybaoard with it | 07:51 |
| MohammadAG | no, sure that's provided by telepathy? | 07:52 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: you type elsewhere, then copy paste :P | 07:52 |
| Shoruken | yeah lame | 07:52 |
| GonzoTheGreat | IS there anything in qtmobility? | 07:53 |
| GonzoTheGreat | or do we have to use dbus | 07:53 |
| Shoruken | i broke my arm not too long ago and only had one barely functioning hand and was using some windows swype-like program for awhile... was really useful | 07:53 |
| MohammadAG | look at .config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db | 07:55 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: when I broke my arm quite a while ago, I had someone to type stuff for me most of the time :P | 07:56 |
| Shoruken | i can't believe how diligently MohammadAG and docscrutinizer have been working on maemo stuff | 07:56 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: they have nothing better to do | 07:56 |
| * hiemanshu runs for his life | 07:56 | |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, sadly my one finger typing was faster than most my family's two handed typing | 07:56 |
| * MohammadAG follows hiemanshu | 07:57 | |
| Shoruken | i was at 140ish wpm before i broke my arm, one handed i did 40 and my brothers could do like 30ish | 07:57 |
| MohammadAG | I'll probably disappear when I'm at uni | 07:57 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: true, but I broke my right arm, and my left arm barely knew how to message :P | 07:57 |
| MohammadAG | oh and my modem appears to be broken | 07:58 |
| Shoruken | actually the arm breaking wasn't the big part, severing my radial nerve was the worst | 07:58 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, yeah that sucks to lose the dominant arm. luckily for me it wasn't the case | 07:58 |
| Shoruken | MohammadAG, you telling me you in high schooL? | 07:58 |
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| hiemanshu | Shoruken: well yeah, thats true, its still recovering though | 07:58 |
| hiemanshu | isn't MohammadAG like 17? | 07:59 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, boring as hell | 07:59 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu, yeah me too... | 07:59 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, indeed :p | 07:59 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: keep up the work kid :P | 07:59 |
| Shoruken | damn MohammadAG i thought you were some 30 year old engineer | 07:59 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: naah | 07:59 |
| Shoruken | your age I was playing MMORPGs nonstop | 07:59 |
| hiemanshu | hah | 07:59 |
| hiemanshu | I started learning python when I was 17 | 08:00 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG is annoyingly awesome for his age. | 08:00 |
| Shoruken | well i started doing VB at 10, made a few windows forms programs and discovered Quake 3... | 08:00 |
| hiemanshu | I think I even broke my arm when I was 17, kept me off computers for a while | 08:00 |
| Shoruken | yeah MohammadAG makes me look incompetent | 08:00 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 08:01 |
| Ikarus | hiemanshu: unlikely to do the trick for most people here :P | 08:01 |
| hiemanshu | Ikarus: heh | 08:01 |
| Shoruken | MohammadAG, if you don't mind me asking, whereabouts in the world do you live? | 08:01 |
| Ikarus | keep me off computers, not since I was 10 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | whe I was 10 there was nothing to run VB on it :-P | 08:02 |
| MohammadAG | Shoruken, Jerusalem, IL :P | 08:02 |
| Shoruken | aha | 08:02 |
| hiemanshu | IL? | 08:02 |
| Shoruken | short for israel? | 08:02 |
| MohammadAG | not Illinouis, yeah :p | 08:03 |
| hiemanshu | ah, Israel :P | 08:03 |
| MohammadAG | or palestine, indifferent tbh | 08:03 |
| hiemanshu | heh | 08:03 |
| SpeedEvil | when i was 10, I was programming in ZX basic | 08:03 |
| Shoruken | isn't it difficult living there if your'e not jewish? | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah | 08:04 |
| MohammadAG | nah, the media makes it look bad | 08:04 |
| hiemanshu | When I was 10, I was eating mud, and watching cartoons | 08:04 |
| hiemanshu | </joking> | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been no ZX basic either | 08:04 |
| MohammadAG | brb, shower then exam | 08:04 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: all the best for that | 08:04 |
| Shoruken | i don't even know what zx basic is | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 08:05 |
| hiemanshu | Well when I was 10, I knew how to format Windows machine, fix most of their issues, and knew quite a bit of Basic | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki zx81 | 08:05 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zx81 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | name = Sinclair ZX81 | image = | caption = | developer = Sinclair Research | manufacturer = Timex Corporation | type = Home computer | generation = | releasedate = {{Start date|df=yes|1981|03|05}}Crisp (6-3-1981) | lifespan = | price = £49.95 kit, £69.95 assembled (in 1981) (equivalent to £{{formatnum:{{inflation|UK|49.95|1981|r=0}}}} – ... | 08:05 |
| Shoruken | yeah there's a ton of these old weird computers with weird names before i knew what anything was | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a lot of old farts like me that were waiting to those weird computers to get to know me | 08:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It was one of the first generation of home microcomputers. | 08:06 |
| hiemanshu | I still have my own Win 3.1 box, with 4M RAM and stuff | 08:07 |
| SpeedEvil | That wasn't a bare board, but had a case, and plugged into a TV. | 08:07 |
| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG: re notifications, I was thinking of something cross-platform ;-) | 08:08 |
| Shoruken | i learned to read on a windows 3.1 game called "treasure mountain" | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki nascom-ii | 08:08 |
| Shoruken | i still remember the music | 08:08 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=nascom-ii&go=Go | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki nascom | 08:09 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nascom (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Nascom' 1 and 2 were single-board computer kits issued in 1977 and 1979, respectively, based on the Zilog Z80 and including a keyboard and video interface, a serial port that could be used to store data on a tape cassette using the Kansas City standard, and two 8-bit parallel ports. At this time, including a full keyboard and video display interface was uncommon, as most ... | 08:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nascom1 actually | 08:11 |
| Shoruken | so DocScrutinizer is the 40 year old engineer :P | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, thanks | 08:11 |
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| * GonzoTheGreat is waiting expectantly for a rant | 08:13 | |
| hiemanshu | ah | 08:13 |
| * hiemanshu is still a kid too | 08:13 | |
| * GonzoTheGreat has kids - two | 08:14 | |
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| Shoruken | how does this irc community affect productivity for you guys that're doing things? | 08:15 |
| Shoruken | always felt like my problem was that I had no friends interested in programming | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | IRC is killing me | 08:15 |
| Shoruken | how so | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | withdrawal symptoms are unbearable | 08:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IRCing 24/7 also is | 08:17 |
| Shoruken | you addict! | 08:17 |
| GonzoTheGreat | BTW, which IRC client are people using under maemo? | 08:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xchat | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | FTW | 08:18 |
| Shoruken | i think last time I was on here was approx a year ago, for several weeks. saw you here all the time DocScrutinizer | 08:18 |
| hiemanshu | GonzoTheGreat: irssi | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shoruken: I never left since ;-P | 08:18 |
| Shoruken | i'm using Xchat for windows ;)... but it says ychat | 08:18 |
| * GonzoTheGreat thinks DocScrutinizer is a bot | 08:19 | |
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| Shoruken | prob a deviation of cleverbot | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, he found out | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 08:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 08:19 |
| Shoruken | what other eastereggs this infobot have? | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~docsnack | 08:20 |
| * infobot snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack | 08:20 | |
| hiemanshu | well, most of us have bouncers :D | 08:20 |
| GonzoTheGreat | well designed and open-source though ;-) | 08:20 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat too here. | 08:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunatly it eats battery on gsm, or worse 3G | 08:22 |
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| Shoruken | i was prettty impressed with xchat on maemo last time i used it ~year ago | 08:22 |
| Shoruken | it actually seemed more solid than this windows version | 08:23 |
| Shoruken | i can't seem to find a windows irc client that works as nicely the ones in linux | 08:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting - latest battery measurement - 1167mAh. One I dug up from last year - 1263 | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: who are you | 08:25 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: I think you lost me on that one | 08:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Somewhat better than i'd have thought. | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: what are you | 08:25 |
| infobot | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> | 08:25 |
| Shoruken | so infobot is what DocScrutinizer talks to whenever everyone else is idling | 08:26 |
| Shoruken | gotcha ;P | 08:26 |
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| hiemanshu | Shoruken: quassel? | 08:34 |
| Shoruken | VAT? | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew, skynet is shaking | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | VAT: 19% | 08:34 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: Quassel is a pretty awesome cross platform client written in Qt | 08:34 |
| Shoruken | brb d/ling quassel | 08:34 |
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| Shoruken_ | this looks kinda weird | 08:37 |
| hiemanshu | looks weird? | 08:38 |
| Shoruken_ | padding on main input textbox doesn't center text | 08:38 |
| Shoruken_ | and there's an invisible column i'm assuming based on biggest username | 08:38 |
| hiemanshu | works for me | 08:39 |
| Shoruken_ | COLORS?! | 08:39 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 08:39 |
| Shoruken_ | xchat didn't have colors | 08:39 |
| hiemanshu | yes | 08:39 |
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| hiemanshu | thats why I love this, so many features | 08:39 |
| Shoruken_ | well i'm sold | 08:39 |
| hiemanshu | and its not that old | 08:40 |
| hiemanshu | I use this on all 3 OSs just fine | 08:40 |
| Shoruken_ | padding is kinda annoying but whatever | 08:40 |
| hiemanshu | you'll get used to that | 08:40 |
| hiemanshu | brb reboot | 08:41 |
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| hiemanshu | hmm, setting up scratchbox on fedora is a pain :/ | 08:56 |
| Shoruken | gui installer doesn't work? | 08:58 |
| hiemanshu | well no, the .py needs to be patched | 08:59 |
| hiemanshu | I downloaded the VMware image, but VMs are too slow on a laptop :( | 08:59 |
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| Shoruken | aye esp on mine ;) | 09:00 |
| Shoruken | but i've got two laptops so i kinda just use the one that i don't use as a test system | 09:01 |
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| hiemanshu | ah, well I run Fedora, and Ubuntu isn't something I'd want to install :P | 09:03 |
| Shoruken | i'm actually blown away at how awesome my ultraportable alienware laptop has been for me, coming from my built desktops | 09:03 |
| Shoruken | esp that it only cost me $569 and it has been my main comp the past 5 months | 09:04 |
| Shoruken | why do you liek fedora over ubuntu? | 09:05 |
| hiemanshu | well first off its not debian based :P, next it has bleeding edge software, which is just awesome for devs, and you need to always support the latest version of software when you are building something | 09:06 |
| hiemanshu | there quite a lot of things | 09:06 |
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| Shoruken | i thought the ubuntu repositories had bleeding edge stuff too? | 09:06 |
| hiemanshu | fedora doesn't mess with the placement of config files in /etc, the way ubuntu/debian does | 09:06 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: naah, you need PPAs and stuff for that | 09:07 |
| Shoruken | oh cool i like how quassel shows someone is talking to me | 09:07 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 09:07 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: tried gentoo? | 09:07 |
| hiemanshu | orange lines | 09:07 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: yup, but not enough time to sit and compile from source :P | 09:07 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: ya i spent a full week compliing kernels trying to get "the right one" | 09:08 |
| hiemanshu | I got the kernel just right, I have a .config saved up | 09:08 |
| Shoruken | but my touchpad had issues | 09:08 |
| Shoruken | in every single one | 09:08 |
| hiemanshu | but I couldn't get sound working, so I just left it :P | 09:08 |
| Shoruken | it'd jump around randomly while touching it | 09:08 |
| hiemanshu | and when I got sound working, I didn't have enough time to complete the rest of the setup, so I poped in the fedora DVD and re-installed | 09:09 |
| Shoruken | I've personally only really liked fedora core, suse, and ubuntu and i've tried just bout all of 'em | 09:09 |
| Shoruken | fedora core is the only thing i could get compiz working on 6 years ago | 09:09 |
| Shoruken | i've not dabbled around much at all recently | 09:09 |
| Shoruken | and my alienware has some discrete graphics that can be turned off that isn't really supported in linux | 09:10 |
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| hiemanshu | Shoruken: are you old too? :P | 09:10 |
| Shoruken | 25 | 09:10 |
| hiemanshu | ah, not much older than me | 09:10 |
| hiemanshu | well, I have been using linux for about 5 years now | 09:10 |
| hiemanshu | 4-5 years | 09:10 |
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| Shoruken | in between my MMO addictions i'd install every popular distro and stick witht he one i liked for a few months | 09:11 |
| Shoruken | until going back to windows to game | 09:11 |
| ruskie | never tried any of the linux games? | 09:11 |
| hiemanshu | well I always dual booted | 09:11 |
| ruskie | or maybe wine? | 09:11 |
| Shoruken | only reason i'm not using it now is cause my laptop gets ~7 hours battery life in windows | 09:11 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: Crysis 2 on wine? | 09:11 |
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| ruskie | I'd get a ps3 or xbox for gaming in that case really ;) | 09:12 |
| Shoruken | i was playing WoW in wine for awhile and it was acceptable, but after seeing what it looked like in windows i switched | 09:12 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: I tried about 40 different distros before settling on fedora :P | 09:12 |
| Shoruken | dayum | 09:12 |
| Shoruken | more than me! | 09:12 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well I have a gaming machine that only runs windows :P | 09:12 |
| ruskie | that works as well I guess | 09:12 |
| ruskie | only place I use windows every so often is @work | 09:13 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: yeah, new to linux back then, so wanted to try out everything | 09:13 |
| Shoruken | i still need to sit down and learn to use vim | 09:13 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: vimtutor :P | 09:13 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: i've done that whole thing twice | 09:13 |
| Shoruken | but i don't use it enough to remember lol | 09:13 |
| ruskie | not worth it really | 09:13 |
| ruskie | just start using it | 09:13 |
| ruskie | important to know how to start editing, stop and save|not save | 09:13 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: hah | 09:14 |
| ruskie | everything else you'll pickup along the way | 09:14 |
| hiemanshu | well, I used vimtutor once | 09:14 |
| Shoruken | i got fed up when i coudln't get c++ code completion working | 09:14 |
| hiemanshu | and then I kept using vim | 09:14 |
| hiemanshu | and kept googling on how to do stuff | 09:14 |
| hiemanshu | and well I know quite a bit of vim, but not enough to be counted l33t :P | 09:14 |
| ruskie | I started using vim the first week I started running linux... along with rolling my own kernel | 09:14 |
| Shoruken | how much faster would you say vim is than using a normal editor? | 09:15 |
| Shoruken | for you personally | 09:15 |
| hiemanshu | well vim is much better than nano yeah, but Kate > vim :P | 09:15 |
| Shoruken | oh i hated nano | 09:15 |
| ruskie | hehe | 09:15 |
| ruskie | I actually used nano for quite some time | 09:16 |
| ruskie | but in the end switched to vim | 09:16 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, I used nano in the starting for basic edits, until I learnt not systems have nano, and learnt vi | 09:16 |
| ruskie | it gets slow if you want to do syntax highlighting | 09:16 |
| hiemanshu | only later to discover, some called it pico | 09:16 |
| ruskie | they don't actuall | 09:16 |
| ruskie | y | 09:16 |
| Shoruken | isn't pico just like nano? | 09:16 |
| ruskie | pico is the pine editor | 09:16 |
| ruskie | actually pine composer | 09:16 |
| ruskie | nano is a clone of pine | 09:17 |
| ruskie | erm | 09:17 |
| ruskie | pico | 09:17 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 09:17 |
| ruskie | gah | 09:17 |
| ruskie | can't type today | 09:17 |
| ruskie | pico had license issues | 09:17 |
| ruskie | hence why nano got started | 09:17 |
| ruskie | now pico no longer has license issues | 09:17 |
| Shoruken | i'll prob start vimming it up if i someone decides to buy me the macbook air | 09:18 |
| hiemanshu | well I am waiting for the refresh of the MBAs | 09:18 |
| hiemanshu | should happpen later this month | 09:18 |
| Shoruken | refresh? | 09:18 |
| Shoruken | i don't keep up on apple stuff what's going on? | 09:18 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: refresh = change in processor and stuff | 09:18 |
| hiemanshu | they will upgrade the MBAs to SB | 09:19 |
| ruskie | the usual... we'll add a new bit of colour to it and charge twice as much as the old ones... | 09:19 |
| Shoruken | so what's gonna happen | 09:19 |
| Shoruken | SB? | 09:19 |
| Shoruken | sandy bridge? | 09:19 |
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| hiemanshu | yeah sandybridge, and thunderbolt | 09:20 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: naah, its actually getting cheaper | 09:20 |
| Shoruken | oooh really they'll have thunderbolt?! | 09:20 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 09:20 |
| Shoruken | will they be teh same price? | 09:20 |
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| hiemanshu | yes, they should be | 09:21 |
| Shoruken | when do you expect them coming out? | 09:21 |
| hiemanshu | this month | 09:21 |
| Shoruken | well damn. | 09:21 |
| Shoruken | found it: http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/06/macbook-air-due-for-a-refresh.html | 09:22 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 09:22 |
| * hiemanshu follows hardware closely | 09:22 | |
| Shoruken | ya thunderbolt is amazing | 09:22 |
| Shoruken | any idea if the i5 is going to affect battery life? | 09:23 |
| hiemanshu | I am expecting in about the 3rd week or starting of the 4th week at the max | 09:23 |
| hiemanshu | well i5 should increase it | 09:23 |
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| Shoruken | i know that my m11x core2duo has much lower voltage cpu than the other cpus the m11x can be configured with | 09:24 |
| hiemanshu | well the m11x has a ULV | 09:24 |
| Ikarus[N900] | meh @ twitter plugin for contacts and conversations | 09:24 |
| Ikarus[N900] | keeps breaking for me | 09:24 |
| hiemanshu | SU7300 if I am right | 09:24 |
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| Shoruken | aye SU7300 | 09:24 |
| Shoruken | i did a pin mod on the PLL overclocked it to 2GHz | 09:24 |
| hiemanshu | never do a pin mod ever | 09:25 |
| hiemanshu | you'll end up blowing up the CPU | 09:25 |
| Shoruken | i didn't increase the voltage or anything and it works pretty well | 09:25 |
| Shoruken | same temps | 09:25 |
| hiemanshu | that isn't the thing | 09:26 |
| hiemanshu | laptops aren't meant to be overclocked | 09:26 |
| hiemanshu | there is a reason you have desktops and water cooling :P | 09:26 |
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| Shoruken | seems i phase out hardware so fast it doesn't matter | 09:27 |
| Shoruken | everything i've OC'd in my life thus far has not failed me yet | 09:28 |
| hiemanshu | I just give away older hardware most of the time | 09:28 |
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| ruskie | this is why I prefer a console... ;) | 09:28 |
| Shoruken | and i've a desktop e6400 overclocked to 3.2GHz on air nonstop | 09:28 |
| Shoruken | but it's not with me ;( | 09:29 |
| Shoruken | only thing i want a console for is guitar hero :) | 09:29 |
| Shoruken | and i wanna try out demons souls | 09:29 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: PC has much better graphics than console, and well I am one who cares a lot about how everything on the screen looks | 09:30 |
| Shoruken | well i'm pretty happy that you've told me about this mba refresh | 09:31 |
| Shoruken | are you buying one too? | 09:31 |
| Shoruken | it'd be my first mac ever owned | 09:31 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, ahh I prefer the it just works mentality that I never had on PC | 09:31 |
| Ikarus[N900] | hmz anyone want to recommend a twitter app ? can't pick which works best | 09:31 |
| ruskie | and the stupid upgrade every 3 months to be able to play whatever | 09:31 |
| Shoruken | what | 09:32 |
| Shoruken | my 5 year old computer can play most current games | 09:32 |
| Shoruken | and i'ver only upgraded the vid card once | 09:32 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: yes I am getting one | 09:32 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: 11 or 13? | 09:32 |
| hiemanshu | Ikarus[N900]: mobile.twitter.com? | 09:32 |
| ruskie | I'm assuming you already put quite a bit of cash in the initial one anyway | 09:32 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: 13, 11 is too small for my huge hands :P | 09:32 |
| Shoruken | i heard the 13 one out now had viewing angle problems | 09:32 |
| hiemanshu | naah | 09:33 |
| hiemanshu | its just fine | 09:33 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: are the keys actually diff size? | 09:33 |
| Ikarus[N900] | hiemanshu: quite suboptimal | 09:33 |
| hiemanshu | slightly yeah | 09:33 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well sure, it just works, I get most of my stuff from steam, so well, "It Works"(TM) | 09:34 |
| Shoruken | ruskie: ya but i'm a PC enthusiast and i kinda like dealing with broken things | 09:34 |
| Shoruken | and from what i've heard PSN was down for like a month ors o? | 09:34 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes | 09:34 |
| robbiethe1st | it was | 09:34 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: esp if you are using linux, you shouldn't be used to "It just works" :P | 09:34 |
| Shoruken | so ps3 online gaming seems terrible | 09:34 |
| Shoruken | at least recently | 09:34 |
| robbiethe1st | hiemanshu: Erm, Linux "just works" a lot more than Windows | 09:35 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, I never had issues with linux just working | 09:35 |
| Shoruken | robbiethe1st: on some hardware ya | 09:35 |
| ruskie | Shoruken, same here... still doesn't mean I'll waste my money on a windows license | 09:35 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well not every time :P | 09:35 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: not true | 09:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Shoruken: Most hardware I've found. occasionally had to install a wifi driver, but again, easy. | 09:35 |
| ruskie | Shoruken, as for the psn downtime... gameing was restored start of may sometime | 09:36 |
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| ruskie | it was the other functionality that was delayed | 09:36 |
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| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: I couldn't get anything working decently when I got this laptop (i3 processor with intel GPU) | 09:36 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: I had to install fedora alpha, and wait for a month, till Intel released proper drivers | 09:36 |
| hiemanshu | but Windows just worked | 09:36 |
| Shoruken | the only reason i don't even have ubuntu installed on a diff partition on my current comp is that it has discrete graphics | 09:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, that's a matter of brand new hardware and the company not releasing proper drivers | 09:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Can't exactly blame Linux for that | 09:37 |
| ruskie | or the spocs for the drivers | 09:37 |
| ruskie | erm specs | 09:37 |
| Shoruken | i'm not hating on linux, im just justifying why i'm not in it right now ;P | 09:37 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: sure, but in that case it doesn't really work OOB perfectly | 09:37 |
| ruskie | the one thing I do with any hw purchase is examine if all the hw I'm buying is supported for the OS I'm using(whatever that OS is) | 09:37 |
| ruskie | if it isn't supported well enough I just won't buy it | 09:38 |
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| hiemanshu | well dell is known to support linux on all its laptops | 09:38 |
| hiemanshu | and well it works just fine now | 09:38 |
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| Shoruken | my m1530 works flawlessly with ubuntu | 09:38 |
| Shoruken | in every regard | 09:38 |
| ruskie | as for 3d acceleration on linux... I don't really care since most of my work is done in terminals | 09:38 |
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| hiemanshu | well I need the 3D for the occasional games | 09:39 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: when the new MBA comes out will they sell the other ones super discounted? | 09:39 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm very impressed with Nvidia | 09:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Their proprietary drivers work nicely | 09:39 |
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| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: because they haven't ported optimus to linux? and never will? | 09:39 |
| ruskie | I'm more impressed with AMD... they actually release specs for their cards | 09:39 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: the people who sstill have stocks will yes | 09:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Haven't run into it | 09:40 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: thats the reason, I am not getting any new laptop with a nvidia card | 09:40 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: how much can we expect? | 09:40 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: no idea | 09:40 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: sure, but the drivers barely work | 09:40 |
| hiemanshu | Intel is a safe bet right now if you want mainly for web and coding and stuff | 09:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, yea, I'd make sure whatever doesn't have unsupported tech | 09:40 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, hell AMD even recommends using the open source drivers for their older cards | 09:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Then again, my T500 laptop with switchable AMD graphics doesn't have switching on Linux... But then it doesn't have it on XP, nor W7(at least, it didn't a few months ago) | 09:41 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well yeah, but nouveau works much better IMHO | 09:41 |
| Shoruken | still can't believe thunderbolt is coming out this soon | 09:41 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, really? last I heard it doesn't even do 3d accell | 09:42 |
| Shoruken | robbiethe1st: so jsut vista? | 09:42 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: there is thunderbolt on the iMacs and MBPs | 09:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Apparently | 09:42 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: it works fine on fedora | 09:42 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: when is it coming out on non apple hardware? | 09:42 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, you sure you're not actually using nvidia_driver on there? | 09:42 |
| robbiethe1st | I, of course, have never had it work not having Vista, but I don't care. I set it in the bios to AMD graphics, and that's good for me | 09:42 |
| crashanddie | and here I was, thinking this channel was about an embedded Linux operating system, and not ##amd-vs-intel-vs-nvidia-flamewars | 09:42 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: yes | 09:42 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well atleast it works on my card just perfectly | 09:43 |
| robbiethe1st | crashanddie: You think wrong, obviously. | 09:43 |
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| hiemanshu | crashanddie: where there is linux, there is flamewares :P | 09:44 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, so 2D only? | 09:44 |
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| hiemanshu | ruskie: nope, 3D with compiz | 09:44 |
| Shoruken | hiemanshu: the intel graphics on the new MBA will be worse than the nvidias? | 09:44 |
| ruskie | crashanddie, we simply are having a civil discusion about it | 09:44 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, compiz isn't 3D | 09:44 |
| crashanddie | ruskie, it's still completely off-topic ;) | 09:44 |
| ruskie | crashanddie, nobody was really discussing anything | 09:44 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: well yeah, but most of the games worked | 09:44 |
| hiemanshu | Shoruken: thtas not decided yet | 09:45 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, which ones? | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | ruskie, oh, OK then | 09:45 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: nouveau with mesa-dri-experimental | 09:45 |
| ruskie | ahh | 09:45 |
| ruskie | hmm mabye I should try that on my new work box | 09:45 |
| ruskie | which has a nvidia card | 09:45 |
| hiemanshu | games like openarena and stuff worked fine | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | ruskie, just FYI, do you also use cemeteries as camping ground because "no one else was using it"? | 09:45 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, nice to hear | 09:46 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | meh, need to patch xchat | 09:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:47 |
| Ikarus[N900] | to remove or move the close button so you can't fat finger it | 09:47 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: we have it from fedora 13, which will be EOL soon | 09:47 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | well, khweeteur simply doesn't work... next | 09:53 |
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| ruskie | hiemanshu, I run from source so not an issue from me | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ikarus[N900]: please publish that patch, or send me a copy of the binary :-) | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | Ikarus[N900], why doesn't it work? | 10:01 |
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| crashanddie | Ikarus[N900], the dev is relatively easy to get a hold of, and he's very responsive. | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | I'm sure he'd be happy to improve his application. | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | If only you have the common courtesy of telling him if it's broken. | 10:02 |
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| hiemanshu | ruskie: ah | 10:03 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | crashanddie: hmhm, I'll post a bug report but it seems to be a rather obscure bug | 10:04 |
| ruskie | but I do require stability on a work system | 10:04 |
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| acidjazz | alright | 10:04 |
| Ikarus[N900] | ie, it hangs at a random point when first adding an account | 10:04 |
| acidjazz | i got one hour at sfo and i need to reset this n900 | 10:04 |
| Ikarus[N900] | doc|home: will do | 10:04 |
| Ikarus[N900] | err,miscomplete | 10:04 |
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| acidjazz | so where is the image | 10:11 |
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| acidjazz | the latest n900 firmware/etc | 10:11 |
| hiemanshu | acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:12 |
| hiemanshu | the links are there | 10:12 |
| acidjazz | yea im there | 10:12 |
| acidjazz | i go to osx then gui w/ 770 then the link to dl the image goes nowhere | 10:12 |
| acidjazz | here ? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 10:12 |
| hiemanshu | acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device | 10:13 |
| hiemanshu | yeah there | 10:13 |
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| acidjazz | ah got it | 10:14 |
| acidjazz | ok i entered my code | 10:14 |
| acidjazz | so then latest maemo 5 USA release? | 10:14 |
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| acidjazz | or a vanilla version? | 10:15 |
| hiemanshu | take anything, just grab the pr1.3 image | 10:15 |
| acidjazz | sweet | 10:16 |
| acidjazz | tnx | 10:16 |
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| acidjazz | gogo airport wifi | 10:17 |
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| acidjazz | suitable usb device not found .. waiting | 10:36 |
| acidjazz | should my n900 be on to flash it? | 10:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Take the battery out. | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | plug into USB port, in the 'waiting' state. put teh battery in. | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | leave device face-down on table | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't need to press anything | 10:38 |
| hiemanshu | acidjazz: well, hold u before you put your USB in, that way its easier | 10:40 |
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| hiemanshu | the key 'u' :) | 10:41 |
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| acidjazz | i see tnx | 10:42 |
| acidjazz | lol take the battery out? | 10:42 |
| acidjazz | that owrks? | 10:42 |
| hiemanshu | well yeah, take it out, put it back in, (dont switch it on) | 10:42 |
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| acidjazz | ethat in combination of the u ? | 10:43 |
| acidjazz | that* | 10:43 |
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| hiemanshu | hold the key 'U' and then plug in the USB, leave the U key once you see a USB icon on the top right | 10:43 |
| hiemanshu | well just hold U, when you put in the USB | 10:43 |
| acidjazz | how long | 10:43 |
| acidjazz | battery out and hodl 'u' before plugging it in? | 10:44 |
| hiemanshu | err no | 10:44 |
| Ken-Young | A couple of days ago, my N900 stopped being able to sync with Google's calendar and contacts from my gmail account. It had worked properly for over one year, and then it just stopped working. I get the message "Error in communication with Exchange Server". Has anyone else seen that problem? | 10:44 |
| hiemanshu | battery out, back in | 10:44 |
| hiemanshu | hold u, plug in USB, wait for 5 seconds, release U | 10:45 |
| hiemanshu | and it should flash | 10:45 |
| kerio | hiemanshu: never a miscommunication! | 10:45 |
| hiemanshu | kerio: ? | 10:45 |
| acidjazz | no usb thing ont he screen... ill troy anyways | 10:45 |
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| hiemanshu | acidjazz: the updating the firmware page has everythign | 10:46 |
| acidjazz | yea i know i read it all | 10:48 |
| acidjazz | tried this 10 times | 10:48 |
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| acidjazz | no little usb light thingy holding the 'u' | 10:48 |
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| acidjazz | should the charger light be on or off or pulsating? | 10:48 |
| hiemanshu | wait, what exactly are yo udoing/. | 10:48 |
| hiemanshu | ?( | 10:48 |
| hiemanshu | ?* | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | trying to flash my n900 | 10:49 |
| hiemanshu | I mean while flashing :P | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | ok its starting to boot up now | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | im gonna boot it up .. shut it down | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | remove battery | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | put battery back in | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | hold u .. connect usb | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | then run 770 flash | 10:49 |
| hiemanshu | 770 flash? | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | 770flasher | 10:49 |
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| hiemanshu | acidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 10:50 |
| hiemanshu | use the flasher from there | 10:50 |
| acidjazz | k tnxs brb goin to terminal | 10:51 |
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| hiemanshu | darned SDK installer, why does it have to redownload everything? :/ | 11:14 |
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| Etu | Hey, im trying to flash my N900 with maemo, to reset it completly. | 11:31 |
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| Etu | Im in a Ubuntu 11.04 system and Im unable to run the flasher | 11:32 |
| Etu | ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 | 11:32 |
| robbiethe1st | You need to install the ia32-libs packages | 11:33 |
| robbiethe1st | it's a 32-bit application | 11:33 |
| Etu | Where do I find it? Im not used to apt, I usualy runs gentoo | 11:34 |
| alterego | sudo apt-get install ia32-libs | 11:35 |
| Etu | okok | 11:36 |
| Etu | There we go, thanks :) | 11:36 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:49 |
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| * RST38h wonders what is making Mozilla people continue releasing Fennec for N900 | 11:55 | |
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| RST38h | The thing is completely unusable. | 11:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh, it /works/ I'll give it that | 11:56 |
| robbiethe1st | slow, yes | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I wondered if it was just some crond build bot constantly building the same source but with different dates appended to the filename lol | 11:56 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd be very happy if I could simply toss it's rendering engine behind the stock browser, which has a *much* better gui | 11:56 |
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| Venemo | morning | 11:58 |
| Venemo | ~seen MohammadAG | 11:58 |
| infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 53m 57s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'. | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | they need to cut lots of bloat off on their `Nightly' version. Apart from version numbers going up very slowly and maybe slightly different dates it just seems like hardly anything has changed apart from the naming of the product | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | That is not bloat, that is features!!! | 12:02 |
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| * chem|st forgot how lone it takes to write random numbers to 1TB over usb2^^ 16h 68% done (for some reason usb3 got a hickup) | 12:10 | |
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| RST38h | But....why? | 12:10 |
| phap | Hi everyone! | 12:10 |
| phap | I have a little annoying problem: In the settings I have already disabled network positioning, but still, every time I open sygic or another program which requires gps, it always ask: 'enable network-based positioning', and I don't want this. Any ideas? | 12:13 |
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| kerio | chem|st: why do you need that? :< | 12:29 |
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| chem|st | kerio: http://paste.debian.net/119294/ | 12:33 |
| chem|st | or do you mean the encryption? | 12:33 |
| chem|st | ah sorry encryption^^ | 12:34 |
| chem|st | and the pastebin is my xhci throw-up | 12:34 |
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| lardman | hmm, CTO news doesn't look very promising | 12:58 |
| lardman | unless they get rid of Elop of course | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | lardman, news where? | 13:15 |
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| petteri | rich green is leaving nokia | 13:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | so? | 13:21 |
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| summel | anyone got blessn900 working? :/ | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | vague question | 13:30 |
| summel | if i install the fcam drivers no camera app at all is working anymore | 13:31 |
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| summel | and i cant install the newer version from the website :O | 13:31 |
| chem|st | summel: any modifications like OC'ed kernel-power or special devel things? | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | which kernel are you using? | 13:32 |
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| summel | chem|st: no | 13:32 |
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| summel | im running the latest one from nokia | 13:32 |
| summel | did not yet enable cssu | 13:32 |
| summel | but thought about doing that now | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | latest one = nokia's stock kernel | 13:33 |
| psycho_oreos | you might be able to get it working if you installed fcam from extras-devel | 13:33 |
| chem|st | blessn900 + old-fcam did not work | 13:34 |
| summel | :o so i have to enable extras-devel? :/ | 13:35 |
| hiemanshu | finally the sdk installer is setting up targets | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | summel: but don't install anything but fcam! | 13:36 |
| summel | :o ok | 13:36 |
| summel | and then disable it :) | 13:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't know, I've stopped using stock kernel for sometime now | 13:36 |
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| chem|st | summel: yes | 13:36 |
| MetalGearSolid | are u using titan's kernel ? | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | who? | 13:37 |
| chem|st | MetalGearSolid: he doesn't | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | no he said he uses the latest one from nokia.. that's just stock kernel | 13:37 |
| summel | oh i actually have kernel power | 13:38 |
| summel | for the wifi hotspot | 13:38 |
| summel | but i dont need that anymore :o | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | that is really confusing.. print the output of your `uname -r' | 13:38 |
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| summel | it said kernel power from the application manager | 13:38 |
| MetalGearSolid | KP version ?? | 13:38 |
| summel | which you need for the wifi hotspot? | 13:38 |
| chem|st | yes | 13:39 |
| summel | seco | 13:39 |
| summel | nd | 13:39 |
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| Ikarus | it's not hotspot, it's adhoc mode | 13:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | the last I recall you don't need KP for wifi hotspot, it just gives you a warning that its not stable, yadda yadda yadda | 13:39 |
| summel | yees :P but it works the same :D | 13:39 |
| Ikarus | summel: no it doesn't | 13:39 |
| summel | psycho_oreos: really? :o | 13:39 |
| Ikarus | you can't use WPA2 security in ad-hoc mode | 13:39 |
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| summel | Ikarus: for me it does | 13:39 |
| summel | yes thats true :/ | 13:39 |
| summel | 2.6.28.10power42 | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | summel, that's awhile ago, I don't know the status of it now. I remembered wifi hotspot included the drivers for stock kernel but it was rather flaky and not working basically | 13:40 |
| summel | im not using that anyways | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | summel, so you're using titan's power kernel not stock kernel, there's a huge difference | 13:40 |
| chem|st | summel: /topic | 13:40 |
| summel | since the n900 is not my main phone anymore :o | 13:40 |
| summel | chem|st: ? i dont have a problem with multiboot or android or stuff :o | 13:41 |
| chem|st | kernel-power just the same! | 13:41 |
| summel | its in the repository | 13:41 |
| summel | and i can just uninstall it :o | 13:41 |
| summel | camera did not work without that (and fcam installed) :o | 13:42 |
| summel | im uninstalling it now | 13:42 |
| MetalGearSolid | i am using KP 42 nd fcam v1.7-1 | 13:43 |
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| summel | MetalGearSolid: extras-testing? :o | 13:45 |
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| MetalGearSolid | dunno found it on TMO | 13:45 |
| MetalGearSolid | search the threads | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah the maintainer created custom fcam package that time | 13:48 |
| summel | what is tmo? :o | 13:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | talk.maemo.org | 13:49 |
| summel | ah | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | I sort of personally can't see how much it would be of an issue if you used all the stuff from extras-devel if you said that N900 isn't your main phone anymore | 13:50 |
| summel | i still want stuff to work and not crash :D | 13:51 |
| summel | and the last time i mentioned extras-devel/-testing i got yelled at for not being a developer :o | 13:52 |
| hiemanshu | so the end result of the SDK install is the same as a vanilla N900 right? | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | I doubt it | 13:52 |
| hiemanshu | I mean except with the extra -dev packages | 13:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | summel, it depends on what you install, and of course the general thing is when things break whilst using extras-devel you're meant to be more collaborative rather than demanding a fix or something to be more stable :) | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, if anything it resembles a figment of N900. There's no N900's kernel (which is obvious), the ARM emulation is slow if you for example use xephyr. You can't chroot inside a chroot, etc | 13:56 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: I dont want an emulation, I just want to compile my apps for it, and then I can test it on my phone directly | 13:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, well yes SDK should be sufficient for that | 14:00 |
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| hiemanshu | woohoo, my first maemo non-python app, works :D | 14:59 |
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| kerio | heh, nokia CTO | 16:19 |
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| Jaffa | kerio: Doesn't bode well, does it. | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | kerio: Adds some weight to the out-there rumour about the Harmattan device not being released :-( | 16:40 |
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| Hurrian | how can they not release it? | 16:41 |
| psycho_oreos | because they are nokia | 16:41 |
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| Hurrian | Nokia practically burned money at the 770, 800, 810/WIMAX and N900 | 16:42 |
| Hurrian | with the huge profit margins that they're making off crappy hardware phones such as the N8 and E7 | 16:42 |
| Hurrian | they'll probably give it one last push | 16:42 |
| Hurrian | e.g. Step 5/5 | 16:43 |
| psycho_oreos | and that was before signing a deal with microsoft | 16:43 |
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| Hurrian | but they got it to the FCC | 16:43 |
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| Hurrian | at the very least, it's going out to devs Maemo Summit 2009 style | 16:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | only time will tell | 16:44 |
| Hurrian | i guess so | 16:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I wouldn't say they "burned" money on it, when you compare with the massive symbian R+D spending :) | 16:45 |
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| Hurrian | shadowjk: LOL | 16:46 |
| Hurrian | indeed | 16:46 |
| Hurrian | S60 5th was the worst... ever | 16:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | My hildon-desktop is completly broken as of latest reboot. Could be related to latest CSSU update | 16:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | I have no taskswitcher, no menu, no Sym (so.. not working dialogs), etc | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | FIQ, any hildon-statusmenu plugins such as AIS? | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | the only time i've broken hildon is when i accidentally rm -rf'd /home | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | >mount -obind /home /and && rm -rf /and | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | BIG WHOOP | 16:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | Nah, don't have any plugins for hildon-* except upgraded hildon things for CSSU | 16:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | Just to start xchat, i did a ctrl+shift+x, xchat, so.. well, not that useful desktop atm | 16:49 |
| Hurrian | that's odd | 16:49 |
| Hurrian | i have the latest CSSU and i'm totally fine | 16:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | Can't switch back to xchat if i open a new xterm so.. well, i'm "stuck" atm :P | 16:50 |
| Hurrian | other than AIS burning thru battery, which resulted in uninstalling it | 16:50 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: no ctrl+backspace? | 16:50 |
| FIQ|n900 | No task switcher | 16:50 |
| FIQ|n900 | it just freezes then | 16:50 |
| chem|st | ouch | 16:50 |
| chem|st | at least you got a term... | 16:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | yea | 16:51 |
| chem|st | what about trying to start them by hand | 16:51 |
| Hurrian | damn nokia, you already made the phone as laptop-like as possible, why not go all the way and move the rootfs to the EMMC? | 16:51 |
| chem|st | actualy if not started you get a reboot loop | 16:51 |
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| FIQ|n900 | <chem|st> what about trying to start them by hand | 16:52 |
| Hurrian | i bet the money they save on not buying onenand parts can easily be used to bump up the emmc's speed class | 16:52 |
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| FIQ|n900 | I might try killing hildon* | 16:52 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: dsmetool -k hildon-desktop | 16:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | then everything will restart | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, it's a different issue | 16:52 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: no not killing | 16:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 16:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | sh: dsmetool: not found | 16:53 |
| Hurrian | shadowjk, it'd be a lot easier to fix broken event.d scripts if it was on the emmc | 16:53 |
| chem|st | use dsmetool -k to stop it properly (well it kills the process but tells the watchdog to shutup! | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, actually in benchmarks lower class microsdhc cards have booted operting systems faster than class 10. emmc/sd/cf are optimized for digital cameras | 16:53 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: as root | 16:53 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | Opened friend window by mistake and got screwed | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, when I messed around with scripts I had a backup script simple enough to always be correct, which moved back the old scripts ontop of new ones when booting slider open :P | 16:54 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | uh... gief pipe | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | There exists no good (e)mmc/sd/cf as far as I know :( | 16:55 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | yay for no sym - and no ipe | 16:55 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | eh | 16:55 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | pipe | 16:55 |
| chem|st | dsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-home to be precise | 16:55 |
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| chem|st | or equivalent for others | 16:56 |
| chem|st | to stop | 16:56 |
| chem|st | to start s/-k/-t/ | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda revealing too that Sandisk isn't quoting any usable performance figures for their "embedded ssd" :) | 16:57 |
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| hiemanshu | is there like a guide to use for cross compiling? | 16:58 |
| hiemanshu | I can get it working with FREMANTLE_X86, but not _ARMEL | 16:59 |
| Hurrian | hiemanshu, if you set up sbox right, it should be automagic | 16:59 |
| Hurrian | fakeroot {BUILD COMMAND}, fakeroot {PACKAGING COMMAND} | 17:00 |
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| hiemanshu | Hurrian: make: /usr/bin/qmake-qt4: Command not found | 17:00 |
| hiemanshu | thats the error when I run build | 17:00 |
| Fredrik1994n900 | Everything was screwed up then, so I rebooted | 17:00 |
| Fredrik1994n900 | then things work again | 17:01 |
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| Fredrik1994n900 | weird... but fine | 17:01 |
| Hurrian | install qmake then | 17:01 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: http://fpaste.org/Tx5G/ | 17:02 |
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| Hurrian | http://www.google.com/search?q=libqt4-dev+maemo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 17:02 |
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| Hurrian | these things make it really hard to port stuff to maemo | 17:03 |
| Hurrian | missing deps everywhere | 17:03 |
| Hurrian | you have to build the packages for the deps if they dont exist yet | 17:03 |
| Hurrian | what a huge pita | 17:03 |
| lcuk | how did all the other people manage to make apps then? | 17:03 |
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| Hurrian | make apps or port? | 17:04 |
| Hurrian | sbox is supposed to be the reference environment | 17:04 |
| Hurrian | if it works there, it should work on maemo | 17:04 |
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| hiemanshu | well it installs fine with target as X86 | 17:04 |
| lcuk | it depends | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | I can install many targets within sbox | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | the maemo sdk target within sbox should be and generally is the target | 17:05 |
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| Hurrian | also, not exactly maemo related, but cordia+meegocore seems promising | 17:07 |
| chem|st | Hurrian: visually... | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | seems conceptually like a cool upgrade path, if it enables using old apps on meego | 17:09 |
| chem|st | Hurrian: at least some libraries could be thrown onto autocompilers | 17:09 |
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| Hurrian | shadowjk, would be great if we can bring hildon to other phones | 17:12 |
| Hurrian | mostly because i do not want to go to any other UI | 17:12 |
| Hurrian | android kids can have their Launcher/LauncherPro/etc | 17:12 |
| Hurrian | i think i'll enjoy Hildon on a 4" screen | 17:13 |
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| ShadowJK | it was nice on 4" | 17:15 |
| Hurrian | ah, the NIT's? | 17:16 |
| Hurrian | never had one, but I think the actual usable space on them would be ~3.5, subtracting the double menubars on top and on the left | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | You usually run stuff fullscreen | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | there's hardware button for entering/exiting fullscreen, as well as button for bringing up task switcher, and a back button for browser and such | 17:18 |
| Hurrian | ah | 17:19 |
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| ShadowJK | oh and a button for bringing up what in Maemo5 is the titlebar menu :P | 17:19 |
| Hurrian | that makes more sense than the N900 then | 17:19 |
| Hurrian | but imo shortcutd is all i need | 17:19 |
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| ShadowJK | only the +/- buttons are left on n900 :( | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 17:22 |
| Hurrian | checking the user list... | 17:23 |
| Hurrian | k | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing menu hw button or shortcut = MAJOR fail | 17:23 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer: at least we have the menubar up top | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think a UI that *needs* mouse/touchscreen to work is a faulty design | 17:25 |
| Hurrian | easy debian, then | 17:26 |
| Hurrian | personally, the only time i need to slide open the N900 is when I need to type | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | launcher and menu are not operable via kbd-shortcuts | 17:26 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if that same system is used in shop windows then its a fail to require it | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | *regression* compared to diablo | 17:26 |
| lcuk | keyboard shortcuts are like sprinkles on an ice cream cone | 17:26 |
| lcuk | nice to have but for use where designed it isn't such an issue | 17:27 |
| Hurrian | come to think of it, the only keyboard shortcut i've ever used was the screenshot one | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | I use ctrl-backspace all the time | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: don't get apologetic again please - it's a FAILURE of UI designers | 17:27 |
| lcuk | do the Windows Phones include a dedicated Ctrl-Alt-Del shortcut? | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | If apps could be sanely maximized without losing dunctionality I'd probably do that too, because screen space is wasted by the menubars :/ | 17:28 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I am not apologetic | 17:28 |
| lcuk | I don't even have mouse scroll wheel support in my apps | 17:28 |
| lcuk | I was just pondering this morning how to do it | 17:28 |
| Hurrian | shadowjk : maximize apps, use camera half-press to go back to desktop | 17:28 |
| lcuk | see: | 17:28 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> when I plug in the mouse onto ideapad scrolling does not scroll | 17:28 |
| lcuk | <KotCneo> it just sends mouse event 'wheel up' | 17:28 |
| lcuk | <KotCneo> repeatedly | 17:28 |
| lcuk | <KotCneo> think of it as a mouse click | 17:28 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> ok will peek at the events | 17:28 |
| bindi | how hard would it be to implement a simple yes/no popup after closing the camera program? | 17:28 |
| andre__ | so I can't use Maemo6 with a joystick? How could they dare? FAIL FAIL FAIL! | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, that's not the issue | 17:29 |
| lcuk | so :P DocScrutinizer I do appreciate comforts like you do | 17:29 |
| lcuk | but I can also understand why they were forgotten | 17:29 |
| bindi | I'd like it to ask if I want to upload (scp) the pictures after I've taken some | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | Hurrian, ctrl-backspace is basically in muscle-memory now. I meant you can't access the titlebar menus if fullscreened :P | 17:30 |
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| Hurrian | for all it's unpolished-ness, i like the hildon-desktop in maemo 5 | 17:31 |
| Hurrian | my only beef with it is the internet connections settings menu | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: you really got strange problems | 17:31 |
| Hurrian | that shit's ugly | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | removing the buttons feels a bit like some ignoramus thought "what's the point of touchscreen if we don't force people to use it? :) | 17:32 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, you're welcome, especially when I see you crying out FAIL at every opoortunity you get :) | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: ShadowJK and mine are more down to earth though: not touching touchscreen when using kbd | 17:32 |
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| ShadowJK | huh | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ctrl-bs | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, probably for the better, didn't someone decide it'd be a good idea for accelerometers to pretend they're joysticks? :P | 17:36 |
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| Hurrian | shadowjk, that wouldnt work pretty well upside down wouldn't it? | 17:38 |
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| ShadowJK | I hate this rotation crap. If I'm lying on my side in bed trying to read a webpage and the damn thing rotates it upwards relatve to gravity it's now sideways relative to myself :( | 17:40 |
| Hurrian | >using the N900 in portrait | 17:40 |
| Hurrian | gotta be one of the worst things to do, ever | 17:40 |
| Hurrian | i actually got CSSU just to lock it in landscape | 17:40 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 17:41 |
| inz | shadow, you need to install a wireless 3D accelerometer to your head ;) | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: indeed | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | i think it's only firefox that rotates for me now | 17:42 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: well it finally worked, had to add the nokia repos | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | and when i try figure out the magic keypress to do CLIENT_REFRESH in browser I accidentally activate rotation.. | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | (hint: there's no such keypress in mobile microb and firefox :( ) | 17:43 |
| hiemanshu | how do you pronounce that? as micro-bee or mic-rob | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | some expert (matan?) gave me a insider hint about most programs on hildon have menu function linked to F<?>, so mapping this dunno F7 to some kbd combo might turn out to be handy | 17:45 |
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| Hurrian | hiemanshu, micro-bee | 17:46 |
| Hurrian | probably means microbrowser though | 17:46 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, iirc F6 was fullscreen in Maemo4 | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer microb like amoeba | 17:46 |
| Hurrian | uhh, micro | 17:46 |
| Hurrian | *microbe | 17:46 |
| ShadowJK | midori on pc, remote X to N810, and midori configured to understand the F6,etc keys sent by hw buttons on N810 :) | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's been the menubutton's mapping? | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | nfi :) | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe worth finding out | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ill check my mails if I can find matan's tip | 17:49 |
| Hurrian | oh wow | 17:49 |
| Hurrian | i just rebooted my N900 | 17:49 |
| Hurrian | battery went from 40% to 14.1% | 17:50 |
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| hiemanshu | Hurrian: Nokia does that a lot, one of my older phones (I think my N73?) used to go from all bars to 2 bars after a rebooot | 17:52 |
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| Hurrian | the pre-symbian phones never did this to me | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: never mind, bme is teling lies | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | andre__: imagine you paired a BT kbd to N900 and plugged AV to a TV to edit some text - might get annoying to reach out for N900's touchscreen every time you need a menu function of editor, or want to switch to another task, whatever | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't a UEFI, by definition, be able to boot GPT. . . . | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't? | 18:02 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, in that case, use a mouse too | 18:02 |
| Hurrian | doesnt UEFI require gpt? | 18:02 |
| andre__ | yeah, that sounds like a quite common usecase to me... | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: sarcasm not appreciated, when not based on good facts | 18:03 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: eh? no :P | 18:03 |
| andre__ | I don't care about appreciation anyway... | 18:03 |
| * ShadowJK actually used N810 + bluetooth keyboard on trips | 18:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | andre__: well - then your ranting is just of a different flavour than mine | 18:05 |
| andre__ | hehe. might be :) | 18:05 |
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| Hurrian | hiemanshu, what uefi shell are you using? | 18:05 |
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| hiemanshu | Hurrian: the asus one | 18:08 |
| hiemanshu | http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H67I/ | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how comes *none* of the major OS/GUI is following that arrogant paradigm? When this is "not a phone, it's a computer" then I'd expect kbd-shortcuts like on any other random computer | 18:09 |
| Hurrian | ah | 18:09 |
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| Hurrian | hiemanshu, you still need to install a EFI bootloader | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | even windoze has them | 18:09 |
| Hurrian | GRUB2-EFI, EDK2-based hackintosh shells, and windows' very broken EFI bootloader on win7 | 18:10 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: I got GPT to boot just fine, that isn't an issue | 18:11 |
| hiemanshu | but MBR boots up | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | windows now hides them :) | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, no more underlines? :-P too bad | 18:12 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/fhz.jpg | 18:12 |
| Hurrian | see image | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I bet that's just another registry key you have to toggle | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: funny detail: desktop qt even autogenerates accelerator keys for menu entries, if devel missed to pick one | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least it's been like that last time I messed around with Qt on desktop | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the Qt source had some rather funny comments in the sections dealing with auto accelerators | 18:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders where his patches for this Qt parts went | 18:36 | |
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| RST38h | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1642987 | 19:50 |
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| Itschue | moin moin | 19:53 |
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| dangergrrl | how many days until the n9/950 manual is released? | 20:10 |
| dangergrrl | 15? | 20:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | 42 | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, iirc it's like now+19d or sth | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask GeneralAntilles | 20:20 |
| lardman | I think it's on the 23rd or perhaps 24tgh iirc | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't that 27th | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | 21st, right? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 20:21 |
| lardman | well somewhere there anyway ;) | 20:21 |
| merlin1991 | what did I miss, where did everyone get dates from? | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not like I'm excited like a child on xmess eve | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: FCC | 20:21 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: really? ;) | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: more like bored and stressed like it's ok for old farts facing x-mess hassle | 20:23 |
| lardman | I am still excited, but also getting bored | 20:24 |
| lardman | and this bloody Tab keyboard is driving me mad, I hate on screen keyboards! | 20:24 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is finally excited. | 20:28 | |
| lardman | ah finally - who creates an on screen keyboard without the ability to have any cursor keys?! | 20:28 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'm getting more worried the longer it takes, and wondering what the delay is | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Cursor keys are outdated! You simply select where you want to put the cursor with the mouse. | 20:29 |
| lardman | "delay" that is | 20:29 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: hmm, not with my big finger + capacitive screen + terminal emulator so I need to scroll up a line | 20:29 |
| lardman | stupid Android | 20:29 |
| * lardman backs up kernel to flash Meego on | 20:29 | |
| lardman | though first I have to go to the shop and get a red onion so I'm told :) | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In soviet russia, all onions are red onions! | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: maemo vkbd is similarly evil on missing cursor | 20:31 |
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| derf | RST38h: Where do I sign up for your newsletter? | 20:38 |
| RST38h | derf: Google Reader, I guess | 20:39 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: yeah but that hw has a physical cursor while the Tab doesn't | 20:43 |
| lardman | we now have some russian onions and wine | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, meego install runs under wine? | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really surprising, but still... X-P | 21:03 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | I like how two prominent IRCD developers (w00t and stskeeps) left their work to move on to NIT development, only to realize it was a mistake in the end | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hey maybe stskeeps will return to unreal and it'll stop being bad | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | (haw) | 21:10 |
| Gh0sty | and pigs will fly! | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i wanted w00t to go back to inspircd development after he abandoned his NIT fling | 21:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | development on inspircd really stagnated when he left | 21:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | funny, one of the last things he said on the inspircd site was " I'm first in line to purchase a Nokia N900 next week and I think you should be to." | 21:12 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so much for that | 21:12 |
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| ShadowJK | What do you mean "so much for that"? | 21:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | because he pretty much abandoned any work on maemo | 21:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and the N900 in general | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | I thought he was still fulltime on N900 :P | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its probab ly still his primary device | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i never see him around anymore | 21:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i figure he pretty much abandoned the maemo communit | 21:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *community | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | He left this channel because of some loud whiners ruining it | 21:15 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | doesn't that go for pretty much everyone who left | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | No, some left because they were whiners and nobody gave them attention | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | point there | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'd still like him to work on inspircd again | 21:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the current developers have kinda just left it as is and fixed a some bugs here and there | 21:17 |
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| mece | Sazpaimon_, Stskeeps works fulltime on MeeGo N900 adaptation. He just got tired of whiners on tmo | 21:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh that's good | 21:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so he's just leaving the cesspool forum | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | the moderation by comittee model has failed so hard :) | 21:18 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i really wish the staff there would just stop being so passive | 21:18 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it doesn't work | 21:18 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't run under wine, but wine helps with the porting effort ;) | 21:22 |
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| mece | It is very difficult to moderate such as abill_uk. He is super annoying and everything he says is wrong, but he (mostly) doesn't directly break the rules. | 21:26 |
| mece | If everyone would just ignore him then he wouldn't hijack every thread with his shit | 21:26 |
| mece | so what the hell is the big thing planned for maemo community that Zehjotkah is tweeting about? | 21:27 |
| lardman | Sazpaimon_: it's quite hard to join the staff ;) | 21:28 |
| mece | lardman, what staff? | 21:28 |
| lardman | I used to be a mod, but my privs were removed and I never did get an answer about how to get them back | 21:28 |
| mece | lardman, why were they removed? | 21:28 |
| lardman | "staff" on TMO I think | 21:28 |
| mece | ah | 21:28 |
| lardman | I've no clue | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because he's lardman. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really. | 21:28 |
| mece | as council | 21:28 |
| mece | hehe | 21:29 |
| mece | LOL | 21:29 |
| lardman | I was busy for a month or two and didn't post much and I am lardman | 21:29 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, I'm glad you clarified that. | 21:29 |
| lardman | perhaps it happened around the same time X-Fade removed my avatar from the front page, grrr! | 21:29 |
| mece | whaat? I've missed this bit of drama... | 21:30 |
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| lardman | mece: I was stuck on the front page for a year or so | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | His avatar was on the front page under the "random" community members heading | 21:30 |
| lardman | :) | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | When X-Fade finally fixed it, lardman lost all of his powers. | 21:31 |
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| lardman | like my credit rating being downgraded to a mere BBB- ;) | 21:31 |
| lardman | or should that be a bondage rating | 21:31 |
| lardman | or bond even | 21:31 |
| lardman | ;) | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | lardman, so staff dont ever ban anyone because theyre afraid of getting their prvis revoked | 21:31 |
| lardman | Sazpaimon_: I never banned anyone | 21:32 |
| lardman | tbh they probably get bored like I did of the amount of noise on the forum | 21:32 |
| mece | LOL | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | then they, as staff, should oh | 21:32 |
| mece | abill_uk has been banned | 21:32 |
| lardman | but equally when I do pop in, it's annoying to not be able to fix things like thread headings | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i dont know | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | do something about i | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | really | 21:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh happy day | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh joyous happy happy day | 21:33 |
| lardman | Sazpaimon_: only if paid, otherwise it's a free service | 21:33 |
| mece | not now. It was a while ago | 21:33 |
| mece | it was just for a week or so. | 21:33 |
| lardman | bbiab, supper time | 21:33 |
| mece | he did calm down | 21:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | mece, you really know how to make me sad | 21:33 |
| mece | the douchebaggery has escalated again lately though. | 21:33 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, sorry | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | personally i think something needs to be done about the idiotic 4chan type posts on the board more than anything | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and the tags | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | theyre obviously useless | 21:34 |
| mece | meh | 21:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nobody uses tag searching anyway, because the tag search page is broken | 21:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and nobody seems to have noticed that | 21:35 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | the tag search page will only show the top thread, and all other threads will appear below the recent posts bar | 21:35 |
| mece | curious | 21:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | since nobody has ever seemed to report this, it leads me to believe that tags have no real functionality anyway | 21:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | though, I do like searching for threads tagged "just shoot me" | 21:37 |
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| mece | There should be a a special kind of ban for people who provoke the most thanked member of the forum to leave. Permaban and all posts removed perhaps? | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itt-thanks are are rather volatile and random currency | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | just number_of_Itt_posts is more useless in my book | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | abill_uk quoted a post of me to make his point - WAAAAH!! | 21:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels abused and raped | 21:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | of course is a partially wrong point, to make things worse | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which in a weird sense makes my post wrong as well | 21:51 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, if you only watch thanks or only watch post count then they make no sense, but together they make some sense imo. | 21:55 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, where did abill quote you? | 21:55 |
| lardman | yeah rather than thanks you need an agree/disagree/thanks trio | 21:55 |
| lardman | also one should be able to see who set any given tag | 21:56 |
| mece | lardman, you do! | 21:56 |
| lardman | but equally they don't have any use | 21:56 |
| lardman | mece: I do?! | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025496#post1025496 | 21:56 |
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| mece | lardman, well it says "The Following User Says Thank You to lardman For This Useful Post:" | 21:57 |
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| lardman | no I meant the silly tags that are added to threads | 21:57 |
| mece | oh | 21:57 |
| mece | yeah. | 21:57 |
| lardman | might shame people into not posting silly tags | 21:58 |
| mece | I tend look at posts/thanks ratio to decide if I need to pay extra attention to someone. | 21:58 |
| mece | erm thanks/posts ratio I mean :) | 21:58 |
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| mece | usually if it's around 1 the sum is somewhat significant (like 1000 or so) you can conclude that it's a somewhat productive member :) | 22:00 |
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| maour | i added this repository http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel but still don't have libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql/ !!! anyidea ? | 22:19 |
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| hiemanshu | maour: what do you want? libqt4-sql should do it | 22:20 |
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| maour | hiemanshu: i want to read from mysql on another server | 22:21 |
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| hiemanshu | maour: install libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql-mysql | 22:21 |
| hiemanshu | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-sql-mysql/ | 22:22 |
| maour | hiemanshu: i don't have any package with these name ! | 22:22 |
| hiemanshu | maour: after adding the repo did you run apt-get update? | 22:22 |
| maour | i used application manager ! | 22:23 |
| maour | and it get updated ! | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: mine dropped to an abysmal ratio from an almost 7/1 thanks/posts some 8 months ago | 22:23 |
| maour | i'm sure i have extra-devel | 22:23 |
| maour | there is too many update after that | 22:23 |
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| hiemanshu | maour: if its enabled it should be there | 22:24 |
| hiemanshu | or use the command-line to install it | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: to many answers to fools, I guess | 22:25 |
| A03o | some one give me a link to all the bugs found in the final n900 firmware release by nokia | 22:25 |
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| maour | hiemanshu: maybe i added something wrong! distribution : fremantle and components : free non-free | 22:25 |
| maour | is that right ? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: don't ask about the flames I received when I vaguely announced I *might* consider removing posts that got no thanks, for the mere reason to reduce noise on the forum ;-P | 22:26 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: my *own* posts, nota bene | 22:26 |
| A03o | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11908 | 22:27 |
| povbot | Bug 11908: Java application support | 22:27 |
| A03o | ? | 22:27 |
| A03o | and whats this about | 22:27 |
| A03o | hows this a bug? | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually they are called tickets .may as well be an improvement request | 22:28 |
| maour | hiemanshu: worked from command linr | 22:28 |
| maour | line* | 22:28 |
| hiemanshu | well yeah it has to :P | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | A03o: >>Importance: Unspecified enhancement | 22:29 |
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| A03o | aha | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | definitely not labeled "bug" | 22:31 |
| A03o | DocScrutinizer : this even possible ? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 22:31 |
| maour | hiemanshu: but still same error on my program! QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded" | 22:31 |
| A03o | Bug 11908 - Java application support | 22:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11908 Java application support | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall somebody mentioning some java runtime environment for maemo | 22:32 |
| maour | now i have mysql-common libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libmysqlclient15off | 22:32 |
| maour | hiemanshu: but still same error on my program! QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded" | 22:32 |
| maour | now i have mysql-common libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libmysqlclient15off | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | A03o: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=java&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 22:33 |
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| A03o | :O | 22:34 |
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| summel | anyone has a mac? the flasher-3.5 setup does not work here :( | 22:47 |
| bindi | is there a way of executing a script when the camera app is closed? | 22:49 |
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| merlin1991 | btw about java http://maemo.org/packages/view/icedtea6/ | 22:51 |
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| phap | hello | 22:59 |
| mece | my wife just beat me in a scalextrix race. The shame! | 23:00 |
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| Venemo | ~seen MohammadAG | 23:00 |
| infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 56m 15s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'. | 23:00 |
| phap | Maybe someone can help me: my net connection is fine, but whenever I use FAM it keeps saying 'unable to open a network connection' and still does the job. It's annoying... Any clue? | 23:00 |
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| Venemo | phap, what is FAM? | 23:01 |
| phap | Faster application manager | 23:01 |
| Venemo | that is bloatware | 23:01 |
| phap | It worked fine until today | 23:01 |
| Venemo | just use apt | 23:01 |
| phap | well sure I can use apt but I like also this way | 23:02 |
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| merlin1991 | phap: afaik it's fapman :) | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | moo | 23:24 |
| phap | well fapman then :-) | 23:24 |
| javispedro | so, anything new and interesting? | 23:24 |
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| javispedro | apart from the end being near with so many people leaving news today... | 23:26 |
| RST38h | I only know of CTO | 23:27 |
| RST38h | Who else? | 23:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is not clear how relevant meego is any more | 23:27 |
| * RST38h in wait-and-see mode | 23:28 | |
| MohammadAG | so, I bought a Galaxy S2... | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure if I should keep the N900 | 23:28 |
| javispedro | RST38h: stskeeps. | 23:28 |
| javispedro | in a sense =) | 23:28 |
| javispedro | and MohammadAG | 23:29 |
| javispedro | is also leaving. | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | I gave up on waiting for the RM-680 | 23:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Where are they leaving to? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | Android | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | XDA Devs seems nice | 23:30 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Android development is a major PITA | 23:30 |
| javispedro | XDA Devs, nice????' | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, MeeGo's development isn't sane | 23:30 |
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| javispedro | it's like tmo with 200x the trolls and 0.5x the developers | 23:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: btw, where is Stskeeps leaving? | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | Anyway, it's been fun | 23:31 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: he's leaving tmo only | 23:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: so, to meego. | 23:32 |
| lardman | XDA is even more confusing than meego.com re instructions ;) | 23:32 |
| RST38h | ah, tmo...no big deal | 23:32 |
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| lardman | RST38h: yeah, well I can always keep my fingers crossed about the relevancy | 23:32 |
| * RST38h wondered why Stskeeps answered to the abill character today | 23:32 | |
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| * javispedro starts hitting "follow" buttons on twitter | 23:38 | |
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| lcuk | javispedro, you are already following me on http://twitter.com/lcuk :P | 23:40 |
| javispedro | yes | 23:40 |
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| javispedro | you just ate some buttered toast. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | I still get a follow even if I leave right? :P http://twitter.com/MohammadAG | 23:40 |
| javispedro | =) | 23:40 |
| javispedro | okkk | 23:41 |
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| * javispedro decides not to follow "selop", though. | 23:42 | |
| lcuk | damn, I tohught you were selop | 23:43 |
| javispedro | lcuk: was it selling the company to steve ballmer the act that blew my cover? | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | no that was your ghostwriter | 23:44 |
| lcuk | all the best twitter folks have em :P | 23:44 |
| * lcuk has a team offering tweets and DMs | 23:45 | |
| vldcnst | tweets about sliced bread | 23:46 |
| vldcnst | yum | 23:46 |
| lcuk | vldcnst, see! | 23:46 |
| * lcuk runs back to #liqbase for some code mangling | 23:46 | |
| vldcnst | what kind of butter? | 23:47 |
| lcuk | vldcnst, store brand ICBINB | 23:47 |
| * lcuk forgets which store | 23:47 | |
| javispedro | see, twitter is useful. | 23:47 |
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| javispedro | let's if I can get a personalized home page with lotsa news of maemo, a bit of meego, a bit of webos, and few about the rest. | 23:48 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 23:48 |
| vldcnst | lcuk: have you tried la motte? | 23:48 |
| javispedro | gnite RST38h | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | Error, <sleep> requires parameter time | 23:48 |
| lcuk | nn moh \o | 23:49 |
| vldcnst | http://www.president-food.com/franc/produits/beurre/img_motte_autre/motte_seldemer.jpg | 23:49 |
| lcuk | by the way, I have a sketch smile gallery | 23:49 |
| vldcnst | truly unique | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | not going to sleep :p | 23:49 |
| vldcnst | sea salted | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | though I'd love to, tired as hell | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | oh and the me leaving for Android was actually me bored, ignore what I said :p | 23:49 |
| javispedro | funny how the @wearemeego account basically died in the happy days of the past. | 23:49 |
| lcuk | vldcnst, sounds expensive | 23:49 |
| vldcnst | right | 23:50 |
| Sicelo | you were writing exam by the way MohammadAG ? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | I shall add it onto the sketch wall | 23:50 |
| lcuk | and when I can afford it I will buy a pack | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | vldcnst, :) I added you to the graffiti wall | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | Sicelo, that was over 12 hours ago | 23:51 |
| vldcnst | lcuk: that's the only butter I use. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, twitter time, eh? ;) | 23:55 |
| javispedro | yep, today, twitter, tomorrow, real life. | 23:55 |
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| javispedro | ;P | 23:56 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: you had problems with the twitter followers counter, didn't you? | 23:59 |
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