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| Dantonic | Hey anyone here use xchat on the N900? | 03:26 |
| pronto| | i have | 03:26 |
| Dantonic | trying to figure out why I can't post multiple lines if I copy and paste for example | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Dantonic: xchat doesn't support multiline paste | 03:28 |
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| Dantonic | is that only on N900 or also the desktop version? | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quite a bit annoying | 03:29 |
| Dantonic | I know! | 03:29 |
| Dantonic | what the heck! | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno, no xchat on desktop | 03:29 |
| Dantonic | so there is no way around it huh? | 03:30 |
| nox- | wfm | 03:30 |
| nox- | on destkop | 03:30 |
| nox- | desktop even | 03:30 |
| Dantonic | ok so it's just on the N900 | 03:30 |
| nox- | apparently | 03:30 |
| cehteh | huh | 03:30 |
| luke-jr | Dantonic: *IRC* doesn't support multiple lines | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *might* be related to this idiotic NK-enter bug in kbd | 03:31 |
| Dantonic | luke-jr so how does mirc do it? | 03:31 |
| * merlin1991 wonders if multiline works in quassel2go | 03:31 | |
| cehteh | should be fixable in xchat then | 03:31 |
| nox- | well i prefer to manually remove the newlines too but they do end up in the input line... | 03:31 |
| luke-jr | Dantonic: it doesn't, it sends each line individually | 03:31 |
| nox- | s/input line/input box/ | 03:32 |
| infobot | nox- meant: well i prefer to manually remove the newlines too but they do end up in the input box... | 03:32 |
| Dantonic | ok... but xchat on N900 does not? | 03:32 |
| merlin1991 | Does | 03:32 |
| merlin1991 | it work? | 03:32 |
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| merlin1991 | does :D | 03:32 |
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| Dantonic | ? | 03:32 |
| merlin1991 | Dantonic: I tried multiline support in quassel2go | 03:33 |
| Dantonic | what's qussel2go? irc client? | 03:33 |
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| merlin1991 | yes | 03:33 |
| Dantonic | hmm | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's really strange why it does NOT work here | 03:34 |
| Dantonic | I'll give it a shot | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in xchat | 03:34 |
| Dantonic | yeah who maintains it? can it be worked on? :P | 03:35 |
| Dantonic | i like xchat | 03:35 |
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| Dantonic | is there a plugin maybe? | 03:35 |
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| nox- | i have to hit `end' and then cursor right to see the second line in the input box... | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you maintain it ;-) | 03:35 |
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| nox- | and n900 doesnt have `end' key (ok lots of cursor right would do it too...) | 03:36 |
| Dantonic | I'm very bad at linux/programming | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm wondering what's keymap in xchat for enter | 03:36 |
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| Dantonic | so is it confirmed? it works on desktop? | 03:37 |
| nox- | also insert is middle click here and ^v on n900, correct? | 03:37 |
| nox- | Dantonic, does for me | 03:38 |
| * nox- wonders if its to do with ^v... | 03:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I got an idiotic obviously nonfunct entry for KP-enter, in xchat | 03:39 |
| Dantonic | hmm | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sth about replacing words | 03:39 |
| Dantonic | it's as if it doesn't register the return... it stops at the first line | 03:40 |
| Dantonic | but if I keep pasting then it works | 03:40 |
| Dantonic | if I paste something multiple times I can keep pasting and it will post it | 03:40 |
| Dantonic | any idea what that means? | 03:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Auto correction pisses me off. | 05:08 |
| derf | So turn it off. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whining on the internets about resistive Wii U touchscreen is hilarious. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, just did. Not sure how it got turned back on. | 05:09 |
| derf | Gremlins. | 05:09 |
| derf | So they're whining because they don't know how to use a touchscreen that's good? | 05:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/wii-u-controller-has-a-ds-style-touch-screen/#comments | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Buuuut its not wat Apple uses!!!" | 05:10 |
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| Arcueid_ | Looks slow here today. | 05:59 |
| Arcueid_ | Wish Stephen Elop logged here. That would stir things up for sure. | 05:59 |
| cehteh | lol | 06:00 |
| cehteh | i guess we just hack his box and kickban him from the channel :P | 06:00 |
| Arcueid_ | Maybe that would be nice. lol | 06:01 |
| Arcueid_ | Lemme ask something: | 06:01 |
| Arcueid_ | Is windows just as pirated abroad as it is in my country? | 06:01 |
| Arcueid_ | I mean, everybody has windows on their machines here. | 06:02 |
| cehteh | depends on the country | 06:02 |
| cehteh | in S/E asia and china prolly much more | 06:02 |
| cehteh | here in germany many people have a legal copy (mostly just because it comes with the computer) | 06:02 |
| cehteh | recently steve ballmer stated they make less money in china than in holland :P | 06:03 |
| cehteh | (thats 1.5 billion people vs 12000000 or so, cant remember the exact numbers) | 06:04 |
| Arcueid_ | Wow. | 06:04 |
| cehteh | i dont care :) | 06:04 |
| Arcueid_ | I think I paid once for a copy of windows 95... | 06:05 |
| cehteh | i dont use windows and i buying computers without it | 06:05 |
| cehteh | even my laptop | 06:05 |
| Arcueid_ | Funny enough, that thing had a nasty tendency to forget com and irq pairings. It was plain weird. | 06:05 |
| Arcueid_ | Well... Maemo was my first linux device. | 06:06 |
| Arcueid_ | Loving it, so far. The fact that there's a lot of resources that one can run, from other distros, is just awesome. | 06:06 |
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| Arcueid_ | I at times wonder if M$ kinda felt... Frightened of the possibility of people migrating from maemo to a desktop distro... | 06:07 |
| Arcueid_ | Only reason I haven't done som myself so far is that I'm not sure how well linux handles most games. | 06:08 |
| cehteh | most games are prolly for windows | 06:08 |
| cehteh | so with some luck you can run them in wine | 06:08 |
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| cehteh | http://sauerbraten.org/ but there are enough nice free games | 06:09 |
| cehteh | well and all kinds of clones of some games | 06:09 |
| cehteh | i dont game *that* much | 06:09 |
| * Arcueid_ checking above link | 06:12 | |
| Arcueid_ | My desktop has been mostly build around gaming as a prerequisite, so that tells a lot... | 06:12 |
| Arcueid_ | I haven't experimented with free gaming, yet. | 06:12 |
| Arcueid_ | Man, I feel so that dude from "Easy rider", when the bikers offer him pot, saying that, lol | 06:13 |
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| hiemanshu | is there a decent email client for the N900 | 06:37 |
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| lardman | morning | 07:35 |
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| kerio | cehteh: red eclipse is a better game imo | 07:41 |
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| kerio | (same cube2 engine like sauerbraten) | 07:41 |
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| dangergrrl | is DocScrutinizer the owner of this chan? | 08:29 |
| dangergrrl | he seems pretty cool and such but just wondering | 08:29 |
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| crashanddie | dangergrrl, he's one of the ops, at one time, GeneralAntilles had ownership of the chan, but now I think it's X-Fade | 09:51 |
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| dangergrrl | guten morgens | 10:56 |
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| dangergrrl | trine i know there are other players but thank you | 10:57 |
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| chem|st | morning | 11:35 |
| lardman | remorning all | 11:36 |
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| hiemanshu | is there a custom 2.6.3x kernel out there yet? | 11:52 |
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| Termana | for.... the n900? | 11:52 |
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| hiemanshu | Termana: yes | 11:53 |
| hiemanshu | I want to use it with fedora arm rootfs, so wondering is there is one | 11:54 |
| Termana | Oh right. Well, you could just compile an upstream one, from what I've been told there are only a couple of out-of-tree patch differences between it and the MeeGo one. | 11:55 |
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| hiemanshu | what version is meego at? | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | ah, I can see a 2.6.37 one | 11:56 |
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| stef_204 | hi, using maemo 5 on N900. I have had a recent problem where I received a warning that some email accounts would be disabled as not enough space, until space was cleared (paraphrasing). | 11:58 |
| stef_204 | this is due to the fact that Modest downloaded all attachments on my IMAP email accounts. | 11:59 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, ah, I read what version you were requesting wrong :p | 11:59 |
| stef_204 | I have since cleared up space and used gconf to configure download "messages" instead of "messages-and-attachements" as key value (no idea if this will work) | 11:59 |
| stef_204 | but impossible to have modest restart updating the disable accounts | 12:00 |
| stef_204 | anyone here have any idea? | 12:00 |
| chem|st | never had that | 12:00 |
| chem|st | have you got 20GB attachments in you inbox? | 12:00 |
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| stef_204 | chem|st: I have or had lots of PDF attachments from work but of course not 20 GBS | 12:01 |
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| stef_204 | it seems to put the attachments on a 2GB /home partition and not on the 20GB one | 12:01 |
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| stef_204 | I can probably delete the email account and re-add it I suppose | 12:02 |
| stef_204 | mickey mouse workaround but might work | 12:02 |
| stef_204 | what about cgonf settings for modest? anyone here familiar with the key: download where the value is "messages-and-attachments" ? | 12:04 |
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| cityLights | I need packaging advice | 12:05 |
| cityLights | may I used pypackeger? | 12:06 |
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| divan | Is there any way to get rid of 'qtc_packaging' dir and tell QtCreator to use debian/ directory? | 12:10 |
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| lardman | http://qt.nokia.com/products/qt-for-mobile-platforms interesting to see Harmattan mentioned there | 12:21 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, Harmattan is mentioned everywhere in Qt | 12:22 |
| lardman | oh right | 12:22 |
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| lardman | well come on Nokia let's have a device then! ;) | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | there's a define (Q_WS_MAEMO_6), Qt Creator has a Harmattan publish feature etc.. | 12:22 |
| lardman | oh right, I've been using a rather old SDK version for the N900 dev | 12:23 |
| lardman | and I don't read the docs either ;) | 12:23 |
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| MohammadAG | newest Qt Creator is way better than the one bundled with QtSDK 1.1 | 12:25 |
| lardman | I'm just installing now on my work Windows box as I have some UI dev to do there | 12:26 |
| flux | so, there doesn't appear to be a program to lock the n900 display, when proximity sensor says there is something near. | 12:26 |
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| flux | is it just plain bad idea or hasn't the thought crossed any developer's mind?-) | 12:26 |
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| MohammadAG | the former I'd guess :p | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | proximity sensor doesn't detect distance, it's either open or closed | 12:28 |
| flux | I get that | 12:28 |
| flux | but it should detect that it's in the pocket | 12:28 |
| flux | of course, should I stick my finger over it, it would react then as well | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 12:29 |
| flux | but, it would be nice to try | 12:29 |
| flux | because it's also a bother to make sure the device is locked before putting into pocket | 12:29 |
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| flux | then there is the thing that I assume using the sensor consumes power.. ? | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | proximity? it's always on | 12:30 |
| flux | oh, nice | 12:30 |
| flux | so in principle it could also unlock when the sensor says there's nothing there | 12:30 |
| lardman | what happens to the phone ui when you bloxk the sensor? does it just stop accepting input or does it blank the screen? | 12:32 |
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| cityLights | which scanner do the guys here use under linux? | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | scanner? | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | like for paper pages? | 12:36 |
| cityLights | yes | 12:36 |
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| merlin1991 | I have some old scanner here, it just works (TM) | 12:37 |
| cityLights | I used to have an epson 1500 and now think of buying a new one | 12:37 |
| cityLights | which? | 12:37 |
| robbiethe1st | I just used an older HP all in one cheapy | 12:37 |
| robbiethe1st | they work fairly nicely | 12:37 |
| robbiethe1st | ...Y'know, I think I found out the reason N900's seem to slow down, crash not work as well etc. | 12:38 |
| robbiethe1st | and why reflashing fixes it | 12:38 |
| robbiethe1st | It's the OptFS getting corrupt. Today, it took like 2 minutes for it to start, programs were sometimes sluggish, hildon-home went crazy for a bit... | 12:39 |
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| robbiethe1st | ran fsck on it, found a LOT of errors, and after fixing everything, running badblocks etc... it now boots in 30 seconds or so | 12:39 |
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| cityLights | I didnt see an answer so let me try again | 13:06 |
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| cityLights | may I use PyPackager to package my app for maemo5 or should I follow the http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#Creating_Debian_Packages | 13:06 |
| cityLights | ? | 13:06 |
| cityLights | ~seen Khertan | 13:07 |
| infobot | khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-179-16.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 21h 17m 15s ago, saying: 'i ll look thx'. | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | one of Nintendo's chief game designers, Katsuya Eguchi, confirmed that the system's proprietary disc format will hold 25 Gigabytes of data. | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not my idea she says "hello DocScrutinizer" | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: crashanddie: thanks for putting straight | 14:47 |
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| crashanddie | yw | 14:54 |
| chem|st | hmm, any guess how long n900s will be in stock at online retailers? | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good question | 14:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Is ebay a retailer? | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | In which case, I'd suspect you'll be able to buy them for at least a decade. | 15:00 |
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| hiemanshu | is there a decent N900 email client? | 15:01 |
| hiemanshu | modest is meh :P | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | nop | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | nope | 15:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes!... The gmail web client. :P | 15:02 |
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| robbiethe1st | Thanks to the browser, you get all sorts of webapps. | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu | possible to compile one for it? | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone up for coding Nokia Bubbles? | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it a simulation of what happens when you drop an Elop into lava? | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, is gitorious down or just being crappy atm? | 15:07 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, it's up AFAICT | 15:08 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: in Python sure, anyother language, no :P | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/24o850w.jpg proof of concept lockscreen "replacement" | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | feel free to write some custom lockscreens with QML :P | 15:13 |
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| andre__ | time is nice, but date is missing. ;-) | 15:13 |
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| MohammadAG | who cares, it's foss :p | 15:14 |
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| andre__ | hehe | 15:15 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, nice, where's the source? | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/maemo5-foss-lockscreen/lockscreen-concept | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's pretty much copy and paste what's there and code your own UI | 15:17 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, can we use a declarative view for this? | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | mece, sure, why not | 15:18 |
| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG thanks for the git link. | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | FYI I use Qt::Dialog to make hildon-desktop believe it's a dialog (it's a QMainWindow), that way CTRL+Backspace is ignored | 15:19 |
| mece | we could even leave the qml outside qrc, so people could hack the looks on device if they feel like it... | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, yw :) | 15:19 |
| mece | MohammadAG, sweet! | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | it needs one extra check | 15:20 |
| GonzoTheGreat | As I said in the thread. I will make declarativ version as well as static | 15:20 |
| mece | GonzoTheGreat, there's a thread? | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | it always assumes the screen is locked | 15:20 |
| hiemanshu | why isn't anything in python? :( | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | Python is slow | 15:20 |
| GonzoTheGreat | the iphone battery widget one | 15:20 |
| mece | what MohammadAG said | 15:20 |
| hiemanshu | not really no | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | (at least on a 600MHz device) | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73828 mece | 15:21 |
| GonzoTheGreat | The only problem I see with this is the memory usage | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, which UI toolkit? | 15:21 |
| mece | yeah I posted in that thread already, LOL *bonk self* | 15:21 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: Qt | 15:21 |
| hiemanshu | I know a bit of QML as well | 15:21 |
| mece | I looove qml | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | not a big fan of writing qml | 15:22 |
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| mece | mostly because I don't know c++ properly | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | requires way too much effort imo, but in the end you get a nice UI | 15:22 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Hopefully able to work on it tomorrow. | 15:22 |
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| MohammadAG | and lots of memory usage *cough* | 15:22 |
| mece | MohammadAG, effort from the device or the coder? | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | coder | 15:22 |
| GonzoTheGreat | both | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | you need to reimplement stuff | 15:22 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, it's heavy on the memory but sure is easy and fast to make cool stuff. | 15:23 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | For now I have lock unlock working using the power and slider buttons | 15:24 |
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| MohammadAG | that's what the concept shows | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | it overlays the stock lockscreen | 15:24 |
| mece | MohammadAG, does the concept replace the lock screen? | 15:24 |
| mece | ok overlays., | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | mece, replacing it is a huge effort | 15:24 |
| mece | ok | 15:25 |
| GonzoTheGreat | yep looks similar | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | since the same plugin that handles locking actually shows the UI | 15:25 |
| mece | does overlaying it cause problems? | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | (bad coding by whoever did it @ Nokia) | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG | nope | 15:25 |
| mece | well then who cares? I think we can live with the extra memory needed.. | 15:25 |
| mece | as long as we keep it simple enough | 15:26 |
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| mece | GonzoTheGreat, so.. merge with MohammadAG's concept? | 15:26 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Have you tried to remove the tk.so and seel what happens. I wasn't brave enough/ in flashing mood | 15:26 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | sure. I will clone the git | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Yes, again that handles locking | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | so you'd need handle screen blanking, connect with mce and read when to lock the screen etc | 15:27 |
| GonzoTheGreat | doing all that | 15:27 |
| mece | I was looking in to replacing the whole locking bit, but seemed like a lot of hard work | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | basically, you're rewriting an mce plugin | 15:27 |
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| mece | I wanted the lock screen to pop up when you touch the screen (if proximity sensor not active) instead of having to poke at powerswitch | 15:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I was wondering if removing the plugin will crash anything or just stops it from showing the lock screen | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, you can't lock the device in any way | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | nothing will crash | 15:28 |
| mece | well the signals would go nowhere | 15:29 |
| mece | right | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | mece, there won't be any signals | 15:29 |
| mece | is it a dbus signal that locks the device? | 15:29 |
| GonzoTheGreat | yep | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | yes, and it's handled by that .so file | 15:29 |
| GonzoTheGreat | ok. I get it now | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | which is wrong, again, bad coding by Nokia | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | here's a binary if anyone wants to give it a shot http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/lockscreen-concept | 15:30 |
| mece | so replacing the dbus service and making it point to something else? | 15:30 |
| GonzoTheGreat | frustrating | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | mece, so write a library that reads mce's config and handles blanking without breaking anything :p | 15:30 |
| mece | well therein lies the problem | 15:31 |
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| mece | as I said, a lot of hard work. And I don't need that feature (show lockscreen when screen touched and proximity sensor = 0) that much. And I'm glad that overlaying works. | 15:32 |
| mece | One could implement all sorts of cool stuff. A widget type lock screen with custom info and stuff :) | 15:32 |
| mece | stuff and stuff | 15:32 |
| GonzoTheGreat | That's what I am working on | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG | mediaplayer controls, notifications, possibilities are endless | 15:33 |
| mece | anyway I've got to go.Perhaps a new thread could be started in development on tmo GonzoTheGreat | 15:34 |
| mece | tata | 15:34 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | As I said we can do it quick-widgets style. I willm create some bindings so people can customize | 15:34 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if the qml files in Nokia Bubbles' .sis file are encrypted | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | or compiled | 15:35 |
| T-Co | Is it possible to have voice guidance to the Ovi Maps navi? | 15:36 |
| T-Co | (on N900) | 15:36 |
| divan | So, is there any way to make both dpkg-buildpackage and qtcreator happy? I mean to keep one debian/qtc_packaging directory or smth like that. | 15:36 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Bubbles. Interesting. | 15:38 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Has probably a fair bit of c++ backing | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | I can write that, no problems there | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | (with proper signals/slots) | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if there's a way to unpack a sis on linux | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo moh | 15:43 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I know we could do it. I was talk | 15:43 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | about te usefulness of the qml if available | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 15:44 |
| javispedro | mooouuu | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | o/ DocScrutinizer & javispedro | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: is alsaped open? | 15:45 |
| javispedro | away from workstation atm | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you might know off top of your head | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, well, if it uses signals/slots we could use the same method names in the C++ code | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm then | 15:46 |
| GonzoTheGreat | sure but I think the qml is the least amount of work. | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | to you, maybe, to me? not so much :p | 15:46 |
| GonzoTheGreat | for custom stuff it is alm | 15:47 |
| GonzoTheGreat | ost all c++ anyway | 15:47 |
| GonzoTheGreat | oops | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search alsa-policy-enforcement | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you ever got aware of a thing named /usr/lib/alsa-lib/smixer/smixer-python.so ? | 15:49 |
| lcuk | > apt-cache search awesome_developer | 15:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat | apt-cache show MohammadAG | 15:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat | :P | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks... | 15:50 |
| javispedro | DOCSCRUTINIZAR | 15:50 |
| javispedro | OOPS | 15:50 |
| javispedro | Fscking autocompletion | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it's shining up as missing when I use amixer --abstract basic | 15:50 |
| javispedro | my magic 8 ball says alsaped is closed | 15:51 |
| javispedro | either way, does not seem interesting | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to be a way to mess with alsa properties like control names etc, maybe | 15:51 |
| javispedro | probably easily replacabe by a python script, but I bet its C for performance | 15:52 |
| javispedro | as it seems to set tens of mixers every time | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed an proper spec and manpage about alsaped would be way more interesting | 15:52 |
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| javispedro | from what I remember from fmradio policy daemon just sends a dbus msg saying sth like | 15:53 |
| javispedro | src=microphone, out=speaker | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | this friggin smixer-python.so is available for buntkuh and mint and a few other, but seems is not a generally adopted bit of sw | 15:54 |
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| javispedro | and alsaped goes through its .ini-like settings file and sets smixers as appropiate | 15:54 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG: about mce again. Do you know whats's happening on lock. disable keyboard, backlight? | 15:54 |
| javispedro | Docscrutinizer: why are you interested in python? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | just interested in amixer --abstract and what it's doing in a broader view of ALSA concept | 15:55 |
| javispedro | ah | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | disable keyboard -> emit appropriate signal, disable backlight -> emit appropriate signal, disable touchscreen -> emit signal | 15:55 |
| javispedro | and I bet its written in Python =) | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | dim and blank screen -> emit signal | 15:55 |
| GonzoTheGreat | are all these accessible? | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I fail to get a grip on it so far | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: not even fekkin `man amixer` even mentions --abstract | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 15:57 |
| javispedro | no idea what that does | 15:57 |
| javispedro | but tbh I do not want to learn about yet more alsalib ABSTRACTion crap. | 15:57 |
| lcuk | omg my sister wants me to remove beard | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think iz's a hook into smixer lib(?) to mess with all sorts of control properties | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, having two apps emitting signals on the same DBus path/interface isn't a good thing to do | 15:58 |
| lcuk | and just have a 'tache | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, I'm not sure if DBus will handle it | 15:58 |
| javispedro | lcuk: rebel. | 15:58 |
| * lcuk needs more people voting for full beard | 15:58 | |
| lcuk | javispedro, I did by growing it in the first place | 15:58 |
| GonzoTheGreat | what if we remove the tklock.so? | 15:58 |
| lcuk | * replace | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you're kindly invited to link to my avatar | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | GonzoTheGreat, I suggest dropping that idea completely | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | unless you want to rewrite it as a proper mce plugin | 16:01 |
| javispedro | I cannot believe morons are bashing Nintendo for going resistive | 16:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's been "the idea" fist place | 16:01 | |
| MohammadAG | OMG resistive sucks!!!1 | 16:01 |
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| * javispedro puts on trolling hat and robe and clicks "reply" | 16:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 16:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer fetching popcorn and asking "LINK?" | 16:02 | |
| GonzoTheGreat | Ok so we should stick with the overlay?! | 16:03 |
| javispedro | Docscrutinizer: anonymous trolling is more effective, so no link =) | 16:03 |
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| hiemanshu | so I wrote my first C++ Qt app :D It takes two numbers and add em, well its a start :) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | GonzoTheGreat: could you give me a timestamp or unique keyword to search for, so I find out what's been your idea? | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | hiemanshu, congratulations :) | 16:05 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: thank you, Qt is nice, know quite a bit of it, its the C++ part thats kinda scary :P | 16:06 |
| lcuk | now you can use your "addition" machine logic to create "multiplication" | 16:06 |
| GonzoTheGreat | No name: I suggest having two lock screen options. 1) c++ static with configuration to turn things on/off e.g. battery status, song info etc | 16:06 |
| lcuk | with the simple inclusion of a loop | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: duh, Qt *is* C++ | 16:06 |
| lcuk | no | 16:06 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I meant, I know PyQt :P | 16:07 |
| GonzoTheGreat | 2) blank slate qml. with just bindings provided thta you can do your own | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:07 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I have written quite a few PyQt apps | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, then you had rather little to deal with C++ | 16:07 |
| GonzoTheGreat | option two will most likely use more memory. | 16:07 |
| GonzoTheGreat | except all the bindings. | 16:08 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Unless you use the qprocess binidings I have done for quick-widgets | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see | 16:09 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, all I did was use Qt Designer to design ui, then pyuic4 to convert it to python code, include it and done | 16:09 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Options 2) is what I will do first. | 16:09 |
| GonzoTheGreat | All you get is auto-rotation and an unlock binding | 16:10 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | to start with | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably nothing wrong with it, GonzoTheGreat - aiui it takes memory only during state=locked | 16:11 |
| GonzoTheGreat | nope. because it will only be unmapped not destroyed | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | <GonzoTheGreat> Ok so we should stick with the overlay?! | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | yes, what's wrong with it? | 16:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses QML for being another tool designed to ease developers' daywork at the expense of eating *everybody's* RAM | 16:13 | |
| ruskie | hehe | 16:13 |
| ruskie | of course | 16:13 |
| ruskie | anything that eases development will goble up ram | 16:13 |
| GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG: what do you mean? | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | what's wrong with the overlay? | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't break stuff | 16:14 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | In your example is the original lock scre | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | what | 16:15 |
| GonzoTheGreat | en flashing up briefly? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | "look, this calculator can do + - * /, and it's expensive because it needs 2MB RAM - this is needed as it allowed our sw devels to use a tool that cut our sw development expense by 50%" | 16:15 |
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| MohammadAG | no, it can't flash briefly since it's stacked under the example | 16:16 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | ok. sorry I didn't get a chance to try it yet. | 16:16 |
| GonzoTheGreat | sounds good then. | 16:16 |
| javispedro | Docscrutinizer: ram is cheap, programmers are expensive | 16:17 |
| GonzoTheGreat | SoC RAM isn't | 16:17 |
| javispedro | (battery life, on the other side..) | 16:17 |
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| javispedro | GonzoTheGreat: a gigabyte or so for $100? cheap. | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, and RAM gets paid by assraped end users while developers are only doing a poor job to proove their own awesomness | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. get poor untalented devels to give you a cheap sw you can run on expensive hw | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: but 100 users buying ram are not so cheap anymore | 16:19 |
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| jacekowski | and if you think about piece of shit called SAP | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | that needs like gazillion servers to run | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, just wait until the next generation come about | 16:19 |
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| jacekowski | and lot of companies are using it | 16:19 |
| javispedro | I bet you mean shipping 100 devices with +$100 RAM | 16:20 |
| lcuk | those who will use New Super Wooooot inducing paradigm that grows on QML | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: can't wait for it... | 16:20 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:20 |
| javispedro | vs shipping 100 devices without that many RAM and hiring real developers. | 16:20 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 16:20 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, this is not qml: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_220246.liqdesign2.scr.png | 16:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: And of course - 'upgrade' - has been the mantra of devs for the last 20 years. 'ram is cheap' | 16:20 |
| lcuk | javispedro, ^ also | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And indeed it is - generally - if it's a 2-3 year old desktop. | 16:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Otherwise - not so much. | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | ram is cheap but i prefer to spend £50 on something else | 16:21 |
| lcuk | where do I plug in ram upgrade on my n900? | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Exacly. | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | into memory card slot | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Well - the strict answer is 'on top of the processor, after desoldering existing RAM' | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | it's called swap | 16:22 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs jacekowski. | 16:22 | |
| * DocScrutinizer announces the international QML bashing day | 16:22 | |
| jacekowski | hmm | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | thinking about that | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Yeaaaah | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | it could work | 16:22 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, and plaster of paris is an ideal replacement for a pair of jeans. | 16:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | SD - RAM card would be somewhat cool. | 16:22 |
| javispedro | you need more memory => you run less things. don't ya ever learn from master steve jobs? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Speed: will still be slow | 16:22 |
| RST38h | there is a controller between you and the card | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Though optimised for flash swap, and SD supporting TRIM could be not quite as shitty. | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: controller can do more than average sd card | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Of course. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | An 8bit or 16bit controller, with an 8bit or 16bit data path | 16:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: But 12 meg a second is a hell of a lot better than most swap gets. | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (and I know it's not nearly enough) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | And with no more than 8bit path to the SD card (this is for MMC+ only) | 16:23 |
| Dibblah | I find it amusing that the SD card itsself has a CPU that's faster than my oldest phone's main CPU. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | For your standard plasticky SD cards it is no more than 4 bits | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | <javispedro> you need more memory => you run less things. don't ya ever learn from master steve jobs? <-- is that why it took Apple that long to enable multitasking on their iphones since the beginning when it couldn't even really multitask? | 16:24 |
| GonzoTheGreat | /me is amused at the tangent | 16:24 |
| javispedro | psycho_oreos: you! | 16:24 |
| javispedro | psycho_oreos: you'll find current iphones can't even multitask. | 16:24 |
| Dibblah | Very good read - http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 | 16:24 |
| Dibblah | Bunnie decapsulates a bunch of micro-SD cards. | 16:25 |
| GonzoTheGreat | how do I do /me in the irc conversation plugin? | 16:25 |
| psycho_oreos | javispedro, still! lol must be epic despite all the people moaning about the lack of multitasking capabilities. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick that plugin, get a decent IRC client! | 16:25 |
| hiemanshu | multitask what is that? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: known, but thanks | 16:26 |
| GonzoTheGreat | convenienent | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | ~google multitask | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | lol damn | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | google made her blow chunks | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki multitask | 16:27 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitask (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Multitasking' may refer to any of the following: *Computer multitasking - the apparent simultaneous performance of two or more tasks by a computer's central processing unit *Media multitasking could involve using a computer, mp3, or any other form of media in conjunction with one another. *Human multitasking - The ability of a person to perform more than one task at the same time. " | 16:27 |
| psycho_oreos | nice! too bad google had to go though :) rather handy to harness a big search machine | 16:27 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I know, its just I use an iPhone too, and well it mutlitasks decently | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 16:28 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: good bot | 16:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 16:29 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | off to bed for me. Back tomorrow. | 16:33 |
| javispedro | as decently as my palm pilot. | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't think there's much confusion around apple's strategy regarding multitasking in iPhones. They didn't like the andridiot approach, and were scared about the maemo syndrome | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so they invented their own way to deal with the issue | 16:37 |
| psycho_oreos | like they do with every other case | 16:37 |
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| javispedro | they didn't, they just replicated the way palm solved the issue last decade | 16:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | e.g. antennagate issue, their solution? `We're not the ones at fault, other handsets have this issue as well.' | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that it turns out maemo approach *can* work, apple is going to slowly gradually adopt this, by allowing a few "multitasking" bits | 16:38 |
| javispedro | I bet they will do the android way first | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly I'd prefer to go back to QML bashing - iPhone bashing is lame and boring | 16:40 |
| javispedro | that is, your app is active but can TERM at any moment if not used in last N time units, and apps are STOPped when screen off | 16:40 |
| javispedro | qml sucks. just go the html5 route | 16:41 |
| rm_work | uck | 16:41 |
| javispedro | license webos! | 16:41 |
| javispedro | but hp! | 16:41 |
| rm_work | hate that "fake multitasking" | 16:41 |
| javispedro | (or, be bought by HP!) | 16:41 |
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| rm_work | what are we talking about that might do that | 16:41 |
| rm_work | ? | 16:41 |
| javispedro | rm_work: the one I described? that is android. | 16:42 |
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| rm_work | yes | 16:42 |
| rm_work | but you said "I bet they will do the android way first"... who is "they"? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | apple | 16:42 |
| javispedro | el jobso | 16:42 |
| rm_work | but iOS already has a method for that? | 16:42 |
| rm_work | why would they be just starting it | 16:43 |
| javispedro | na, their current one is palmos-like | 16:43 |
| rm_work | right, so what do you mean "first"? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | just sigstop | 16:43 |
| rm_work | they already have a multitasking method | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, that's a bit confusing | 16:43 |
| javispedro | palmos: only one UI process. every app gets stopped when you get back to homescreen/launcher, started when you launch it | 16:44 |
| javispedro | devs get to implement their own state loading/saving routines | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | iOS is way beyond that internally | 16:44 |
| javispedro | and you have notificacions so that not running apps can get exec() when something interesting happens | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | they already have real dispatcher, and only simulate the palm way | 16:45 |
| javispedro | like "audio buffer nearly empty" or "network activity on port 7777" | 16:45 |
| javispedro | Docscrutinizer: if you mean they have a preemptive multitasking base Os, | 16:45 |
| javispedro | be prepared to be surprised. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 16:45 |
| javispedro | the palm pilot also had one. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 16:46 |
| javispedro | the rule is : just one UI process. | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's kinda like maemo with no apps but desktop widgets ;-P | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers for QML, fits in there quite nicely X-P | 16:47 |
| psycho_oreos | didn't the old iOS lacked widgets? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's cause every app is a "widget" | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | on iOS | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | j/k | 16:48 |
| javispedro | well i do not think ios puts all all of them in the same process | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | just kidding a lil bit | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, iOS is way beyond that, that's what I said | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't see iOS adopt that concept now | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what rm_work said | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | on pos the ui process just exec()d into app X, and expected app X to eventually exec() back into the launcher | 16:51 |
| javispedro | I'd expect ios to have a bit more "protection" :P | 16:51 |
| rm_work | wouldn't it be *EASIER* just to do proper multitasking? >_> | 16:51 |
| javispedro | even if the core idea is the same | 16:51 |
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| rm_work | or is all this about saving battery | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: batter life | 16:52 |
| javispedro | rm_work: benefit: week long batterylife for pilot | 16:52 |
| rm_work | heh | 16:52 |
| javispedro | compare with wince models of the day | 16:52 |
| rm_work | or maemo <_< | 16:52 |
| rm_work | i get ~18h battery life | 16:52 |
| rm_work | ok no, *sometimes* i can get 36-40 hours | 16:53 |
| rm_work | but that's with "light usage" | 16:53 |
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| rm_work | (I put that in quotes because light usage for me might be what some consider moderate usage) | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | heh. nintendo admits using xbox360 footage for yesterdays wiiU demo. | 16:58 |
| kerio | not for all the footage though | 16:59 |
| kerio | the bird one was the most impressive one | 16:59 |
| kerio | independant cameras with independant blur, 1080p and 480p | 16:59 |
| javispedro | I'd expect to be disappointed when the specs are announced | 16:59 |
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| javispedro | according to random internet guy mr. guy the sdk had 4 core ppc with smt clocked at 3.5, so that's the upper bound :) | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | ...he intends to exterminate Australia's vast population of feral camels by means of gunfire from helicopters and jeeps, so preventing the beasts from unleashing a deadly planet-wrecking miasma of greenhouse gas from their rumbling guts... | 17:11 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, I'm all for it | 17:19 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, as long as the camel meat is sent to countries where they need it | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: I get like 7 days of standby here, same as with palmpilot basically | 17:20 |
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| krayon | Where are these camels anyway? There's none here in Melbourne that I can see :/ | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and palmpilot also was dead after 4 hours of playing a game that had constantly moving sprites | 17:20 |
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| cityLights | ~seen Khertan | 17:25 |
| infobot | khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-179-16.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 1h 35m 11s ago, saying: 'i ll look thx'. | 17:25 |
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| GAN900 | Speculation time. | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | So, assume we've got some sort of announcement coming up on the 21st. | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | But, as of right now, we have no real information about hardware or software. | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | Most notably: no SDK. | 18:31 |
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| GAN900 | Given the rumors about the consumer and the dev device | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a t-shirt. | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | does that mean the announcement coming up will basically be an SDK release with hardware? | 18:32 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: plain, or does it have a print? | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, and how much RAM? | 18:33 |
| merlin1991 | also WHAT DOES IT HAVE ON THE BACKPRINT? | 18:33 |
| * merlin1991 out | 18:33 | |
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| SpeedEvil | When was the n900/maemo 5 SDK released? | 18:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Before/after announce/ | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | aanounce of what? | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | N900 | 18:39 |
| lardman | It was released before announcement iirc, but only to some devs | 18:39 |
| javispedro | that a N810+1 would be released was known since forever, like we know a N900+1 will be released these days | 18:39 |
| javispedro | by that logic, sdk was after announcement | 18:39 |
| lardman | ah no, it was released beforehand to everyone wasn't it, and Nokia asked everyone to prepare their packages | 18:39 |
| javispedro | now, official announcement of the device happened way after SDK... | 18:39 |
| javispedro | *beta sdk | 18:39 |
| lardman | yep | 18:40 |
| lardman | GAN900: I have the same questions though, if we do see some hw, will it just be for devs and come with an SDK and api docs all prepared | 18:40 |
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| lardman | in preparation for some other consumer device to come at a later date for example | 18:41 |
| lardman | or perhaps Harmattan is good enough to not need developers' apps to begin with :) | 18:41 |
| javispedro | or they do not care any more | 18:41 |
| javispedro | an option that gets my vote.. | 18:41 |
| lardman | possible, hard to know what's going on with the dearth of communications | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, a months before hardware. | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Ah - thanks | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ | 18:43 |
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| RST38h | Wait. Harmattan SDK out? | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 18:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh wow! http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_6/ | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (is completely blank) | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | nope, says 404 for me | 18:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Qt Creator says Maemo 6/Harmattan somewhere | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: that's all my hope - "meego harmattan turns out to be just maemo5 with some custom themes" see http://xkcd.com/424 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, really WHO would want to see devels move to a platform that's neither backward compatible to maemo5, nor forward compatible to anything never to come | 18:57 |
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| MohammadAG | wasn't there a 3D version of xkcd at some point? | 18:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer waiting for the usual apologetics to jump up and shouting "BUT, BUT... there's Qt!!!" | 18:59 | |
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| Cor-Ai | MohammadAG: 1 och april i think | 19:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer not seeing the rationale behind a proof about Qt allegedly can safe future of a stillborn OS | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | save* | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | found it http://3d.xkcd.com | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...as we could do same proof on maemo5 as well | 19:01 |
| yigal | hey I like qml cutetube? | 19:02 |
| yigal | I don't know about saving an os either, though | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and should have done it since ages, tho be brecise since meego came with bold statements about the code-once-just-recompile compatibility to maemo | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay, "... to be precise..." | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo ruined Qt imo | 19:03 |
| yigal | how so? | 19:03 |
| lardman | Well I guess that Qt should be more fully supported in the backends dept, which would make migration easy | 19:03 |
| yigal | MohammadAG: that's a funny xkcd | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | first they encouraged MeeGo Touch Framework (which wasn't that bad, except not portable) | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | then they deprecated it | 19:04 |
| * lardman heads home, will continue the conversation there | 19:04 | |
| yigal | but just once recompile it? | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia also encouraged Qt development | 19:04 |
| yigal | right | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | then they dropped QWidget for QML | 19:04 |
| yigal | yes | 19:04 |
| yigal | but then that's on Nokia not Meego | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | which is as we all know, very very very light on memory | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | insert massive sarcasm quotes | 19:05 |
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| yigal | :D | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo lacks a Qt theme (last I checked), only QML is actually usable | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | Sociality for example, uses about 27MBs of RAM when displaying a full 250-ish photo album | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so bottom line: if maemo6 aka meego_harmattan is anything else than just a 100% compatible upgrade to maemo5, it's worthless and my favourite target for bitching and hate | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | with QML, I'd expect that to be 50ish | 19:06 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: make a qml ui for sociality just for the lulz | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | then "benchmark" it :P | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, waste of time :p | 19:10 |
| yigal | nothing like pancakes in the morning | 19:11 |
| yigal | with black coffee | 19:11 |
| merlin1991 | cut the coffe part | 19:11 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: 100% compatible upgrade? How much have you been with Nokia? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | s/much/long | 19:11 |
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| yigal | merlin1991: :D | 19:14 |
| javispedro | fscking ms support site changes URL so much they basically already dump all of the URL path components into bing and redirect you into the first result. | 19:15 |
| javispedro | no matter what link you follow. | 19:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good afternoon | 19:17 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, let me promise that it's worthless for you, by your definition | 19:17 |
| yigal | cb22 is developing this alternative email client called immoral, it would have been funnier if he called it arrogant | 19:18 |
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| yigal | or some like ImBetter email client | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: that's what I'm hosestly afraid of, for maemo/meego's sake | 19:19 |
| yigal | does the Cordia project make you feel a bit better? | 19:20 |
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| yigal | I guess not | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | yo DocScrutinizer | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | I seem to be late from an interesting discussion | 19:23 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: between diablo and fremantle the main differences were... the compositor. and a few upgraded libraries. now ask anyone how much effort costs to keep a single piece of software between the two platforms. | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yigal: cordia makes me feel better about meego, not though about the use of that meego_harmattan chimera | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/use ( purpose / | 19:24 |
| javispedro | I mean, Nokia and seeamless upgrade on the same sentence... | 19:24 |
| javispedro | seamless, compatible, etc. | 19:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, it doesn't cost me more than a bunch of ifdefs | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: my point | 19:25 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: probably because you don't have software that triggers gcc bugs on diablo =) | 19:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro :P | 19:26 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: but this is not new then, as andre__ says, by that definition you can rest 100% assured Meego will suck for you :P | 19:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, with meego (not harmattan), nokia's crappyness is out of the picture for good | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's simply no obvious benefit out of that meego_harmattan thing. It's just yet another incompatible platform with no parents and no future | 19:26 |
| javispedro | I have other requeriments, like, will we really see the supposedly faster/lessmemoryconsuming Qt, well, faster and less memory consuming? | 19:27 |
| javispedro | or, will the increased number of components be worth it? | 19:27 |
| javispedro | *open components | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and harmattan IS NOT meego, for all I got | 19:27 |
| javispedro | well, replace Meego with Harmattan. | 19:27 |
| javispedro | in my previous sentences. | 19:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | harmattan is crap | 19:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I think we have all agreed on that a long time ago | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the crux, replacing meego by harmattan changes the meaning of it all | 19:28 |
| javispedro | Well, not sure. | 19:28 |
| javispedro | Meego I've seen. | 19:29 |
| javispedro | Harmattan I am yet to see, but hey, if they plan to sell it, it _must_ work. | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | harmattan != meego != maemo | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so WTF *is* harmattan supposed to be? | 19:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | fortunately because of meego's branding policy, they won't be able to brand harmattan as meego | 19:29 |
| javispedro | has that been decided already? | 19:30 |
| yigal | a level of crap, right? | 19:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: harmattan = maemo 6. | 19:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, I think so, but I'm not 100% sure | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, IF it really is then my concerns are down to "will they get it right THIS time?" | 19:30 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: I doubt it at this point. | 19:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, no they won't | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: big NO. better question. "Will it be good enough?" | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | also "will it be worth the effort of upgrading?" | 19:31 |
| andre__ | upgrading what? | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | both Diablo and Fremantle were "good enough" | 19:31 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900++ | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | upgrading maemo5 to maemo6 | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I don't think I would ever buy the harmattan device | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 19:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | I _may_ "upgrade" my N900 to MeeGo once it becomes usable enough | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | that will never happen. | 19:32 |
| javispedro | forget about it. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 19:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | harmattan is just another "don't care" thing for me | 19:32 |
| javispedro | statistics says the N900+1 and Harmattan will be "good enough". | 19:32 |
| andre__ | MeeGo N900 DE != Harmattan | 19:32 |
| javispedro | so, everyone will quickly migrate to it. | 19:33 |
| javispedro | N900 will be completely forgotten. | 19:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, why, I think MeeGo DE is almost good enough on N900 right now | 19:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyhow, I doubt that I'll replace my N900 in the foreseeable future | 19:34 |
| javispedro | well, tell that to Stskeeps, that's surely to cheer him up after the abill_uk fiasco :) | 19:34 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: you remind me of myself, 2 years younger, with my N810 in hand. | 19:34 |
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| javispedro | Venemo_N900: to quoth myself, "I'll port the DIablo UI to the N900". | 19:35 |
| javispedro | guess what. never really cared enough. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | so I've learnt not to repeat the same mistake. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | the quote must be still somewhere in this channel's logs... | 19:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, if someone gets a real meego device out of their door with a decent enough UX, I'll probably buy | 19:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | but that will highly likely not be nokia | 19:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like his linux desktop distro announced the'll ship each new rev with KDE++ now, so KDE5 in 2 months, KDE6 in 8 months and so on. That's what Nokia's concept about maemo, harmattan, meego etc feels like | 19:36 | |
| Venemo_N900 | I doubt that harmattan's ux will be that good. | 19:37 |
| javispedro | as said, you're echoing the feelings I had two years ago. | 19:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, the ridiculous thing about it is that harmattan was already late in its schedule at the point when they announced "the merge" | 19:37 |
| javispedro | "the fremantle ux sucks. task switching using 2 taps! no fullscreen mode in all apps!" | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | so I don't understand why they didn't just drop the whole project | 19:38 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 19:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, why, task switch took 2 taps with diablo too | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: oh? | 19:39 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: no -- task navigator. | 19:39 |
| MOUD | I have reflashed my n900 but the Repositories: Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel are not working. Is there any change for them? | 19:39 |
| vldcnst | ?seen pupkin | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to be able to click a limited number of tasks directly on left lower side | 19:39 |
| vldcnst | !seen pupkin | 19:39 |
| vldcnst | seen bot? | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, yeah, but only for the first few apps | 19:40 |
| vldcnst | -seen pupkin | 19:40 |
| * vldcnst slaps infobot | 19:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bite vldcnst | 19:40 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of vldcnst's jugular vein | 19:40 | |
| vldcnst | ~seen pupnik | 19:40 |
| * vldcnst slaps infobot harder | 19:40 | |
| infobot | pupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 7h 9m 2s ago, saying: 'o/'. | 19:40 |
| javispedro | er... hello pupnik, how ya going | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik got banned on own explicit request | 19:41 |
| vldcnst | political reasons? | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask him, not me | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | MOUD: since everyone is busy finding pupnik, what do you mean with not working? | 19:44 |
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| javispedro | Venemo_N900: an ages improvement over the fremantle approach to task switching, due to 90% / 10% rule. Most of the time I'm switching between 2 apps only. | 19:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, I understand | 19:44 |
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| merlin1991 | also monsoon style rain here atm, wtf= | 19:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | but the good side is that this way you get more screen space for each app | 19:45 |
| MOUD | merlin1991: Those 2 repositories gives me error 404. Are the links changed or removed? | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | what urls do you have? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's why MHD made my day, meh year | 19:45 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: that's where the second complain comes in. On N810 you had pervasive full screen support | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | MOUD: I have "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free" for devel in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MOUD: nothing known, maybe you added a typo when adding the repos? | 19:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, ah, yeah. I never used that feature because it prevented me from effective task switching | 19:46 |
| MOUD | I'm checking the web link i used | 19:47 |
| * javispedro notes the irony of the situation, but hw buttons save the day. | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | one-click add of repos | 19:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | javispedro :) | 19:48 |
| MOUD | going to use the link | 19:48 |
| MOUD | just restarted my phone | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | buahahaha diablo-based n900 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/nokiarover-1.jpg | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't look half bad :p | 19:51 |
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| javispedro | includes what seem to be hardware front buttons! | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: one of the awesome fakes | 19:52 |
| javispedro | let's rumour on it like it was 2009. | 19:52 |
| javispedro | since we have no interesting 2011 fakes. | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, I'll LOVE this device | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope it'll come with a resistive touchpad as god as my N810's | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the kbd layout... EEEW | 19:53 |
| merlin1991 | ctrl on the right end, wtf? | 19:54 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's it, that's the spirit! | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | where are the fekkin cursor keys? | 19:54 |
| javispedro | good point. | 19:55 |
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| javispedro | meanwhile, apple plans to build a mothership | 19:58 |
| javispedro | as new HQs. | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | will it hover over SF? | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | xD | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | no, it will orbit mars | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | will some nerd bring it down with a virus from a windows laptop? | 19:59 |
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| MOUD | DocScrutinizer, I think it worked. | 19:59 |
| MOUD | Thanks merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer for the support :) | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no need, just jailbreak the beta | 20:07 |
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| javispedro | so nitdroid is stupidly overclocked to 700Mhz by default? | 20:20 |
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| lardman | re | 20:20 |
| javispedro | hi lardman | 20:21 |
| * lardman realises he didn't do a very good job of re-joining the conversation | 20:21 | |
| lardman | hey javispedro | 20:21 |
| lardman | javispedro: you were indeed right about Ubuntu and the umounting using the ui stuff | 20:21 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:21 |
| javispedro | lardman: it is on my todo list to understand what is happening behind the scenes | 20:21 |
| javispedro | because i have nfi why it happens | 20:22 |
| lardman | do let me know if you find out | 20:22 |
| lardman | :) | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Surrounded by top Republicans and Democrats, President Obama signs the $858 billion tax cut deal that extends the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for another two years. | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Hehehe | 20:22 |
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| lardman | I thought he was faced with a cap on the total borrowings? | 20:22 |
| lardman | or debt if you will | 20:23 |
| * lardman has troubles re-adjusting to windows not moving focus with the mouse. Argh | 20:23 | |
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| RST38h | lardman: he was faced with angry republican lobbyists who wanted their tax cut | 20:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: fuck the cap... | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | More tax cuts, less entitlement spending. | 20:27 |
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| derf | lardman: The debt ceiling gets raised regularly like clockwork. | 20:27 |
| derf | It doesn't actually limit anything. | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Gen: Getting any sizable tax cuts? :) | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me, personally? Don't think so. | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Gen: make some conclusions. | 20:30 |
| lardman | derf: I was laughing yesterday at the potential jump from BBB- to junk for Nokia bonds - seems like they have limited the available alphabet a little, like our GCSE and A-levels over here | 20:31 |
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| derf | lardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_credit_rating | 20:33 |
| derf | BBB- is the last prime or "investment grade" rating in the S&P scheme. | 20:34 |
| derf | There are of course a lot of varieties of "junk". | 20:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to buy Nokia on penny stock level | 20:37 | |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Apple has become the world's largest OEM buyer of seminconductors, leaving both Hewlett-Packard and Samsung in the dust, according to industry research outfit IHS iSuppli | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Doc: then burn it, while dancing around the fire and giggling? | 20:37 |
| javispedro | probably to be used into their mothership | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 20:38 |
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| lardman | thanks derf | 20:47 |
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| maybeHere | http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/steve-jobs-full-bars.jpg | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | Looks more like an "operation in progress" icon | 20:50 |
| javispedro | is it me or does el jobso resemble Spock more and more every day | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: it is the vice versa | 20:52 |
| RST38h | Steve invented Spock! | 20:52 |
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| javispedro | in a few years they'll hire him for the Nth StarTrek reboot. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | s/hire/cast | 20:54 |
| RST38h | He won't live this long =( | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor bastard. | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apple's not going to be the same without him. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | Yep, as much as I hate the cult | 20:56 |
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| swordi | hello guys | 21:02 |
| swordi | anyone running maemo on hd2? | 21:03 |
| swordi | i tried it, but it didn't work for me, so i switched back 2 android | 21:03 |
| RST38h | good for you, except that maemo does not run on hd2 | 21:03 |
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| swordi | why | 21:03 |
| swordi | there are maemo builds out there | 21:04 |
| RST38h | because it is square while hd2 is round. | 21:04 |
| swordi | i'm not sure if this has something to do with the shape of the hd2 | 21:05 |
| wmarone | there are no "maemo" builds for anything but the N900 | 21:05 |
| wmarone | I think you mean "MeeGo" | 21:05 |
| wmarone | #meego | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | (and the N810, N800, and 770) | 21:05 |
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| wmarone | GeneralAntilles: but are they really the same? | 21:05 |
| swordi | is there a n900 emulator for the hd2 ? | 21:06 |
| wmarone | no | 21:06 |
| javispedro | they are all square. | 21:06 |
| swordi | but i want maemo on my hd2 | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Ah, the trolls nowadays... | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Easily replacable with a small Perl script. | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if it's lowercase maemo, then yes. :P | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | swordi, then you want an N900. | 21:06 |
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| swordi | GeneralAntilles, ok, i will buy one | 21:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: maybe he/she wants a 770. | 21:07 |
| swordi | thank you for you help | 21:07 |
| RST38h | swordi: You ave said you are already running maemo on your hd2 | 21:07 |
| swordi | no i said i tried it | 21:07 |
| RST38h | swordi: So, how come you "want it"? | 21:07 |
| swordi | but it didnt work as i already mentioned | 21:07 |
| swordi | because i want it working | 21:07 |
| swordi | anyway, will order a n900 now | 21:08 |
| swordi | thank you guys for your help! | 21:08 |
| javispedro | yw | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | N9 is going to be out week after next and swordi's going to be so disappointed. | 21:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | heheh | 21:10 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I was going to congratulate RST38h on assing such a hard sale | 21:10 |
| swordi | what advantages has n9 | 21:10 |
| swordi | in comparison to n900 | 21:10 |
| swordi | i don't see any differences, except its more expensive | 21:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | noone knows yet | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | no one even knows the price | 21:11 |
| javispedro | no one _should_ know the differences | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | or the specs | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | insert javispedro's should in all my statements | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | Heck, it's getting difficult to know the price of N900 too | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | still $500 in local stores here | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | swordi: basically it comes down to it being 2.5 years newer, though. ;) | 21:14 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: wait until the announcement before making that statemement. | 21:14 |
| javispedro | "just in case". | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah I was going to say 1-1.5 years newer :P | 21:15 |
| swordi | well, if someone would ask me if i would buy a hd7 or hd2, i would choose hd2, same hardware, other case | 21:15 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, hehe | 21:15 |
| javispedro | all I know is that we can safely assume it is 0.5 years newer. | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure about that? | 21:17 |
| GAN900 | Well | 21:17 |
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| GAN900 | The first announcement came during Amsterdam. | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it might as well be N900 predecessor that got postponed due to availability of SoC ;-P | 21:18 |
| javispedro | well, I do not think it's going to be an OMAP2. | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | but who knows maybe they fixed the mbx drivers. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, OMAP4 been around as vaporware since ages | 21:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Omap4 has been sampling on panda only for a few months I think | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually not unheard that a design gets postponed to go for a downgraded successor | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It may have been sampling before then | 21:19 |
| javispedro | what was announced on Amsterdam was OMAP36. | 21:20 |
| javispedro | *OMAP36xx | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | hasn't the N950 been available/leaked in 2010? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I never seen any hw design getting started only after first samples of key components shipped from the chip manufs | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you start way earlier | 21:20 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: even earlier. | 21:20 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: but, "N950"? cmon. | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | then eventually sometimes you learn your components are discontinued prematurely or simply late by years, and you bin the whole thing, or postpone it | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, N9? That's WP7 | 21:21 |
| javispedro | yes, a keyboard-ed WP7 device.. | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; yeah - I know. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: N950 is a metaphor. | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | no, it's the last best hope for peace. | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for all we know the omap36 N999 could actually be N900 predecessor ;-P | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | for Duke Nukem Forever? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, we don't actually have a model name for N900+1 (N9 is currently still the most likely, though). | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, didn't Nokia say it was N950? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, that was an illustration device. To say the N900+1 was more like an N950 than anything else. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | (N900, but more) | 21:25 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles++ | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia didn't say anything, as they *never* do | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | k, I'll use RM-680 till it's announced | 21:25 |
| javispedro | pfft. | 21:25 |
| javispedro | use N900+1. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Use the "Last1" | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, that's like N900/0 to me | 21:25 |
| RST38h | it sounds more hip | 21:25 |
| javispedro | or just say "the thing", like I do in RL casual conversation. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2L8 | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's hip. | 21:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heh | 21:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | why N950? why not N910? | 21:26 |
| javispedro | heh | 21:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | whatever, I don't care | 21:27 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: indeed, potentially the best name :) | 21:27 |
| RST38h | "2L8" is definitely ultra hip | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Nokia 2L8 | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Venemo_N900: because it's more of an upgrade than the N800 -> N810. | 21:27 |
| Trewas | if the huge thread in TMO is to be believed there are actually two N900+1 devices, a developer-only model with keyboard and a keyboardless device they will actually sell, the consumer device presumably being newer/better hardware | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the N810 was just an N800 with a keyboard and a transflective screen. | 21:28 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: as I was saying, wait until the announcement to make those bold statements. | 21:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | then let's call it N1000 | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Trewas: do not believe stuff you see on tmo | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The first person to mention the n950 was acidjazz on the 20th of october | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | 2009 | 21:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, source wasn't TMO. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd put some faith in that one. | 21:28 |
| RST38h | will see | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Given the number of RM-* codes. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed we will. | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | 2009-10-20.021943+0100BST.txt:(10:00:38 PM) acidjazz: oh wait this is the n950 no wonder its 1/2 as thick w/ 1024x768 res and a 5 row kb. oh an umbrella too nice. | 21:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, that 'N950' was just a concept drawing from some random guy | 21:28 |
| RST38h | to me, TWO Harmattan devices sounds like one too many | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Given the clusterfuck | 21:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | two harmattan devices are two too many | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I dunno. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | and since I believe a dev-only device is commercial suicide, it'll be probably cancelled. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I could believe two harmattan devices released - each released by a seperate arm of Nokia that diddn't know of the other. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:29 |
| javispedro | specially when Elop gets news of that =) | 21:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | xD | 21:29 |
| javispedro | or. | 21:30 |
| javispedro | maybe it's part of Elops plan to bring nokia stock to the penny. | 21:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | xD | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then Nokia can buy them up for pennies! | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Nokia/MS/ | 21:30 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Then MS can buy them up for pennies! | 21:30 |
| javispedro | those kinds of Nokia buying Nokia stock jokes remind me of Palm/PalmSource/PalmOne | 21:31 |
| javispedro | another clusterfsck. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | yes but that one was well deserved | 21:32 |
| RST38h | REALLY bad engineering at the end there | 21:32 |
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| MohammadAG | where are gconf values stored? | 21:52 |
| pronto | over there *points* | 21:52 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: on Maemo? /var/lib/gconf/sth | 21:52 |
| javispedro | 770-days heritage iirc. | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ty javispedro | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | expected somewhere in $HOME | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | so, why does MohammadAG appear as maintainer of multiboot? | 22:13 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, I helped with packaging and stuff | 22:21 |
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| javispedro | aha. | 22:22 |
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| GAN900 | Evil bastard. | 22:34 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, sue me | 22:39 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm under 18, you can't sue a minor | 22:41 |
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| Gh0sty | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 | 22:59 |
| povbot | Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses | 22:59 |
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| Gh0sty | since this is ipv6 day after all :p | 22:59 |
| Macer | wtf | 23:00 |
| Macer | m.google.com won't work with mfe | 23:00 |
| Macer | did google get rid of exchange support? | 23:01 |
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| alterego | Hrm, how to keep two N900s in sync .. | 23:02 |
| alterego | Maybe rsync, but that'd be quite heavy me thinks. | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | question is, why sync two N900s :P | 23:04 |
| acidjazz | [18:28] < SpeedEvil> 2009-10-20.021943+0100BST.txt:(10:00:38 PM) acidjazz: oh wait this is the n950 no wonder its 1/2 as thick w/ 1024x768 res and a 5 row | 23:04 |
| acidjazz | kb. oh an umbrella too nice. | 23:04 |
| acidjazz | lollll | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG | this changes everything http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/periodic-table-welcomes-two-new-ultraheavy-elements-jury-still/ :P | 23:39 |
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