IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-06-04

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DocScrutinizerRST38h: I know one thing now: I never should try real stock trading - I "bought" on NOK=7.01EUR, now they are down to 4.5100:16
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ShadowJKheh, how much?00:20
DocScrutinizervirtual 50.000 (ouch)00:20
_trinesell now00:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what video?00:21
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* MohammadAG can't figure out image uploads on facebook00:21
DocScrutinizerthen I have to realize a virtual loss of ~18.000EUR and have to get drunk with a lot of virtual beer ;-)00:22
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ShadowJKoh, virtual?00:23
DocScrutinizeryeah ;-D00:23
MohammadAGwhat exactly is that o_O00:23
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I've had that once00:23
MohammadAGssh in, you can see it's the SGX going nuts00:23
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly what I thought, also javispedro00:24
MohammadAGthat's exactly what dmesg said :P00:24
MohammadAGyou know, SGX Hardware recovery triggered00:24
DocScrutinizerI have to admit I didn't even consider looking at my ssh window of laptop nearby :-/00:25
MohammadAGand [sgx_miser] taking up 100% CPU time00:25
ShadowJKnice song :)00:25
DocScrutinizeranyway it's really nice and funny - considereng to build an alternative UX for meego based on that concept ;-P00:25
ShadowJKthat's pretty awesome with the triangles00:26
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: do you know it?00:26
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I had that too once00:26
DocScrutinizer(the song)00:26
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DocScrutinizerbtw I also called sb during that video ;-P00:27
DocScrutinizerdidn't even notice until he called me back next morning00:27
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DocScrutinizer(via SIP :-D )00:27
ShadowJK(i dont know the song)00:27
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* DocScrutinizer neither00:28
ShadowJKmaybe it was internet radio00:28
Jacklecould I ask a simple question about nitdroid here?00:29
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DocScrutinizernot really00:29
DocScrutinizerexcept if you wanna know if it sucks ;-)00:30
DocScrutinizeryou can try nevertheless00:30
Jacklelol its not a technical question at all00:30
Jackleif I was to install nitdroid n12 on my emmc then start my n900 with the keyboard closed what would happen?00:31
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Jacklebasicly I want to have nitdroid available but dont want a boot menu everytime I start my n90000:32
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cehtehhehe someone hack the bootmenu to query the accelerometer .. depending on how you hold the n900 a different OS would be booted :P00:33
DocScrutinizermhm, alas nitdroid folks are ignorant about fixing their boot scheme00:33
DocScrutinizerand it seems to me like nobody 'here' (=maemo) is interested in doing it for them00:33
Jackleso theres no way of getting around that screen and straight into maemo?00:34
DocScrutinizerit's using multiboot, and multiboot is a nasty 'dangerous' hack and strongly deprecated00:34
DocScrutinizerthat's why the chan /topic is the way it is00:35
DocScrutinizerif you are interested in sanitizing the nitridiot realated boot, I'd suggest you talk to folks at #nitdroid00:37
Jacklesorry I didnt know they had an irc channel00:38
DocScrutinizerunless it's about specifics of uBoot, the recommended multibooting bootloader00:38
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Jackleso anybody tried the qspot app?00:41
DocScrutinizerwhat is that?00:42
DocScrutinizermhm spotify00:45
Jackleyeah spotify, im thinking about getting a premium subscription if the app is good enough00:46
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Jacklethe nitdroid guys arnt responding00:48
DocScrutinizerthey're hiding, embarrassed ;-P00:49
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ThreeMmaybe they host there mails on sony servers ;)00:51
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Jacklenope not a peep on #nitdroid00:58
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DocScrutinizerwell, only 38 peeps there ;-)01:02
DocScrutinizerodds are you'd have to wait a bit til sb answers anyway01:03
DocScrutinizerI'd think even the SHR-on-N900 community aka #openmoko-* is more vivid than nitdroid01:04
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MohammadAG#nitdroid was quite alive in the days01:05
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Macerwtf is a .cbr file?01:08
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SpeedEvilConstant bitrate?01:08
SpeedEvilcanadian bacon roll?01:09
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Macercomic book reader01:10
Maceri think01:10
Jacklehas nitdroid development stopped then?01:12
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* SpeedEvil points at topic.01:12
SpeedEvilActually - it fails to mention ##nitrdorut01:13
SpeedEvil##nitdroid even01:13
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MohammadAGdrop the second #01:13
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: it also doesn't mention #ubuntu ;-)01:16
GeneralAntillesHoly shit these are good strawberries.01:16
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JackleMohammad AG could you help me? if I was to install nitdroid n12 on my emmc then start my n900 with the keyboard closed what would happen? basicly I want to have nitdroid available but dont want a boot menu everytime I start my n90001:16
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MohammadAGJackle, no idea, haven't touched nitdroid since last summer01:21
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DocScrutinizer(northern hemisphere)01:22
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Jacklenevermind im off to bed now bye bye01:23
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Termanagood morning03:42
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, they're talking about your app:
DocScrutinizermy app?04:25
balrog-k1nhi there, i've added a bunch of markers in Mappero / maemo-mapper. how do i save them to a gpx now?04:27
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: thanks04:33
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balrog-k1nhmm, i added a new Mark with "insert mark..." and now it appears in a <desc> element in the gpx04:49
balrog-k1nso what happened to all the earlier marks i added?04:50
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GAN900"If You Don't Have An iPhone" commercials are mindnumbingly irritating.06:23
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moofree* commercials are mindnumbingly irritating06:24
GAN900Well, yeah.06:25
GAN900But specifically.06:25
moofreei haven't seen them :P06:26
moofreethere are certain advantages to downloading all the shows i watch06:26
moofreeno commericals06:26
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GAN900Only thing I watch on TV are sports.06:28
moofreethat's one thing i specifically try not to watch :)06:29
moofreeit's just one big commercial06:29
moofreei love when i attend a sporting event in real life06:29
moofreeand they have timeouts just to run commercials for t06:29
GAN900Gotta pay for it somehow.06:29
GAN900Commercials are the reality of not living in a communist hell.06:30
GAN900North Korean doesn't have any advertising. :P06:30
moofreeone of the original selling points of cable television was no commercials06:31
moofreeah the promises of the future06:31
moofreecommercial free television, moon bases, food in pill form, flying cars06:31
moofreemeego phones06:31
moofreeetc.. :P06:32
GAN900It's all a matter of patience.06:32
GAN900"Just wait a little longer."06:32
moofree"any time now!"06:32
GAN900The one thing MeeGo actually took from Nokia that they really shouldn't have.06:34
myuulol meego06:35
myuuoh hey06:35
myuuactually nvm06:35
moofreeamigaone x1000!06:38
moofreeavailable by the end of 201006:38
moofreei can't wait06:38
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dotCOMmieI had a problem where my phone would reboot a minute or less after loading desktop. I disabled lifeguard-reset with flash tool and now phone is running ok. And I think I see the underlaying problem06:49
dotCOMmieModest sent an alert about an incomming email and it seems to be stuck in some queue06:50
dotCOMmieThe notice keeps opening and closing even after I killall on modest06:50
dotCOMmieI guess this causes the hildon-desktop to perform suboptimally and the watchdog restarts the phone06:51
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dotCOMmieIs there a way to clear the notification queue?06:51
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dotCOMmieoh also as a result my desktop doesn't show any icons on it06:52
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mikhasGAN900, after seeing some sports here on US TV, I cannot help but think that US sports were *designed* around commercials ...06:57
GeneralAntillesmikhas, I nearly fell asleep at the futbol game in Dublin.06:57
GeneralAntillesEuropean sports really don't do it for me.06:58
mikhasAt least "futbol" doesnt have those frickin timeouts =p06:59
mikhasGeneralAntilles, but the mavericks did an amazing job so far at making basketball interesting for me06:59
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mikhas(despite the commercials)06:59
GeneralAntillesBasketball's problem is that the game result is largely dependent upon the whims of the refs.07:00
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mikhaswith my limited experience, I cannot comment on that07:00
GeneralAntillesSame with hockey07:01
GeneralAntillesand baseball.07:01
GeneralAntillesUS Football is the one sport where the play-calling is somewhat clean.07:01
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myuuyou guys im experiencing crashes with skype video calls07:20
cehtehwell crashes what? .. the phone call disconnects?07:22
cehtehnot the whole os07:22
myuusorry i should be more specific07:22
myuuthe phone call hangs up as soon as I start my video07:22
myuuI can see others video and have a voice convo07:22
cehtehnah not that, i have sometimes complete disconnects or very stuttery connections07:23
cehtehvideo over GSM just doesnt work07:23
cehtehumts maybe .. wlan works most of the time, but i use video chat rarely07:24
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myuuoh it doesnt work over gsm07:33
myuuthat should be obv lol07:34
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myuuoh my camera issue might not even be skype related08:13
myuumy camera just shows a black screen08:13
myuufront and back I think08:16
myuufcam drivers were the problem08:18
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dm8tbrkhertan: cool a KIRF11:11
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SiceloQWERT keyboard11:51
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JaffaMorning, all13:13
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* Dhraakellian wonders if it's possible to make Marble/Monav avoid highways13:29
* RST38h wondersif it's possible to make Marble avoid hanging the N900 for several minutes at a time13:30
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Dhraakellianmethinks monav's routing is... odd13:37
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jacekowskimethinks that it's slow14:02
jacekowskias in i would route faster with analogue map + stopping every time i wasn't sure where to go14:03
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sq-onehey where maemo stores the favorites of the internet browser?14:47
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sq-oneOkay I figured out they're stored in /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml but if I delete an entry there manually it is still present on the phone.15:00
sq-oneI have to add, that the bookmark is not removable via UI-interaction on the phone15:01
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sq-oneokay after /etc/init.d/minireboot the undeletable bookmark is gone :)15:05
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goiboithanks jani15:10
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Neccwhy the new cssu has to offer ISO800/1600 why?? x.x18:09
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Maceranybody know a good app to measure distance when jogging?18:37
Macerawesome. let me check it out18:37
Macerwhy must installing apps in maemo be like pulling teeth :)18:39
* Macer waits for it to update catalogs18:39
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fralsMacer: thats why you use apt-get instead ;)19:47
Macerit was too late19:48
Maceri already had it going and was committed :)19:48
Macerecoach is pretty awesome tho19:48
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Maceri just ran 2 1/2 miles to test it out19:48
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infobothello, catface20:02
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DocScrutinizermoo javispedro20:09
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DocScrutinizer2.5miles in <60min - hey20:11
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myuuMacer at least use fast app manager20:24
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hiemanshuso to compile apps for maemo you need to setup the scratchbox env?20:34
hiemanshuI need to compile opencv for something, I dont want to setup the whole thing now, is there a way to compile it on the phone?20:34
trxyes but you need to install dev packages and build essentials20:39
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trxits faster to setup scratchbox20:39
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hiemanshuah cool, I'll do that then20:42
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Ikarusanyone here using Sharing plugin for linux21:12
Ikarusanyone here using Sharing plugin for Twitter21:13
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DocScrutinizerplugin to where?21:16
DocScrutinizer(not that I'd use anything related to twitter)21:16
DocScrutinizertalking about twitter: what became of #nokia obscure threat on twitter (or was it facebook?) to do *something* on June 1st21:17
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vldcnstmass suicide21:17
IkarusDocScrutinizer: it's a sharing plugin like the share on faebook etc21:18
Ikarusbut the setup a account crashes21:18
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DocScrutinizerstill nfc where to plug it in - microb, modest, conversations, you PC's firewire port?21:19
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DocScrutinizernm, I don't care21:20
vldcnst(his answer: I don't have a firewire port)21:20
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DocScrutinizervldcnst: that's why I've chosen firewire and not USB21:21
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* DocScrutinizer would guess "conversations"21:21
DocScrutinizerfigured it while writing21:22
vldcnsttwitter is for uncool people21:22
DocScrutinizerI'll never get the catch of twitter, and facebook just earned the "I'm top of EVIL" award - google cried about losing it21:23
jacekowskii had a breakfast today21:23
jacekowskii just had a shit21:23
vldcnstI see facebook as a money making machine21:23
jacekowskiand other kind of shit like that21:24
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I think that's related to twitter, right?21:24
jacekowskiit's for exhibitionists21:24
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: yes21:24
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vldcnstyou have the biggest cluster of "GONNA PAY ANOTHER 1$ TO SEE WHATS BEHIND THIS SECRET SCRATCH AND MAYBE I GET A NICE PRIZE"  kind of people21:25
vldcnstlike seriously, "scratch & win" 75,242 monthly active users21:26
DocScrutinizerwe got a official lottery in Germany "Lotto" - commonly attributed as "special tax for idiots"21:27
hiemanshuI am too lazy to setup the SDK right now21:28
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DocScrutinizergood idea21:28
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hiemanshuyeah, more over I have fedora21:28
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DocScrutinizerthere's also MADDE - aiui strictly for Qt GUI stuff21:28
DocScrutinizerallegedly easier that ScareBox21:29
hiemanshuI just wanna compile opencv21:29
* DocScrutinizer ponders to finally set up SB on his centOS box21:30
DocScrutinizerthis way I don't need to run this monster at my own flat and local IT infra ;-P21:31
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DocScrutinizeralas this vbox has as little as 30GB storage, so I doubt SB will go easy there21:32
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javispedroopencv = sbox21:53
javispedroI believe opencv is on extras already.21:53
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DocScrutinizerls -l /media/mmc1/core-dumps |pastebinit --   -->
GAN900Guy just did a demo for me.21:56
GAN900Signed ebooks.21:56
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DocScrutinizerno I recall why I "binned" it21:59
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GAN900I miss the MX Revolution21:59
GAN900That clutched scroll wheel was the greatest thing ever made21:59
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DocScrutinizerI damn fsckng have a disassembled MX rev just gere in front of me, switches are all going to act up22:00
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licensedit haves any good gps software for maemo? like ndrive, igo..22:01
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DocScrutinizerwhat's "GPS sw"? there's quite some nice navi/map and also a few mere GPS-reader22:01
DocScrutinizercheck out marble, mappero22:02
licensedi like any with voice navigation.. i will to try these22:02
DocScrutinizerheard columbus is nice ;-D22:02
licensedthank you =D22:02
DocScrutinizermappero and marble both have voice navi now22:02
DocScrutinizermarbe even has on-board route calculation22:03
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Neccand witch one of them functions fully offline?22:03
Necchmmm i may try it out22:04
licensedyes i need fully offline functions.. i will to try this22:04
DocScrutinizersee Monav22:05
DocScrutinizer"Marble Onboard NAVigation" ?22:05
DocScrutinizerall those apps usually load map tiles dynamically from internet. You'll have to use the map-dl functions to "install" the map tiles you need during offline22:07
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SpeedEvilAlso - note that if you're using openstreetmap - if you're downloading tiles from the server, pick the smallest area you can at the lowest resolution - the servers are on donated bandwidth.22:09
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NIN101Well, I hope some of you guys could tell me what at the hell this is. So, I'm sniffing right now phonet0, the GSM interface. Everyrtime I open the slide on my N900, some stuff is send to the GSM network. I censored some stuff because I do not know what it means, so maybe you could use it to get some information about me :-) But it is always the same. So yes, this is send when I open the keyboard slide, b22:12
NIN101ut not always: If you do it fast multiple times, it won't happen. You have to wait a little bit. However, it seams to be not only connected to the slide. It is send when the screen turns on, or off, but then it is 0100 instead of 020a. Probably nothing anyway, but interesting for me.22:12
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SpeedEvilNIN101: the signal sterngth of the cellphone changes singificantly.22:15
SpeedEvilWhen you open the slide.22:15
SpeedEvilThe cellmo will report this22:16
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NIN101ok thx. Was also one of my assumptions, but anyway, couldn't it be used in theory by my provider to track a little bit of my activities(if and when am I using the phone or it is always just in my pocket)?22:22
SpeedEvilThe signal changes.22:23
SpeedEvilIt's not changing in a predictable way22:23
SpeedEvilIt changes at ohter times22:23
NIN101hmm, true.22:24
trxsignal only matters to the tower afaik, it doesnt go further than that in the cell network22:24
trxso they can't/won't be able to record that info22:24
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DocScrutinizerbasically they can record all info, question is to which purpose22:27
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DocScrutinizerthe old FAQ: "I want to use internet, but my provider shouldn't be able to notice when I do" ;-P22:28
trxyeah, good luck with that :P22:28
DocScrutinizer"I want to do phonecalls, but my telco mustn't spy on me about when and to whom I call"22:29
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: you know there's a wireshark plugin to dissect the ISI packets on phonet IF?22:32
DocScrutinizermost of them at least22:32
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NIN101Sounds interesting, I will look into it. Thx.22:34
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DocScrutinizerNIN101:;a=summary mrmoku branch22:51
NIN101hmm, i compiled this
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NIN101ok the plugin you linked seams to have an SMS dissector, which the one I found does not have.22:52
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DocScrutinizerJun 04 19:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: where's the most evolved ISI dissector plugin for wireshark?22:53
DocScrutinizerJun 04 19:41:49 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: the most evolved one probably is mine ;)22:53
DocScrutinizerJun 04 19:42:12 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer:;a=summary22:53
DocScrutinizerJun 04 19:42:15 <mrmoku> mrmoku branch22:53
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* RST38h moos evilly22:54
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NIN101ok. Then I will just compile mrmoku's plugin. Thx doc.22:54
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: yw22:55
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