IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-06-05

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Venemohas the issue with the codecs package been resolved?00:15
prontono clue00:15
VenemoI'm talking about the issue when the new version in devel failed to recognize/playback flac files00:15
bindiI have extras-devel but can't find nitroid-installer00:19
bindiuser error00:23
bindiis hard to type lol00:23
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Sicelowhy u want to install nitroid?00:25
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bindiwhy would I not?00:26
Sicelowas just asking... btw, u notice topic?00:28
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bindiI do, why?00:28
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Sicelou asking why the topic is like that?00:30
bindiI am asking00:30
bindiwhy are you asking me if I notice the topic00:30
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Siceloit seemed to me that u wanted to install nitdroid00:33
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cehtehare the times when the alarm goes off for an appointment somewhere configureable? i really need 1.5 and 2 hours01:35
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BCMMis is a bad mood?02:19
infobotBCMM meant: in is a bad mood?02:19
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BCMMinfobot: well, no i didn't. i was being pretty inaccurate, but a human would probably parse it correctly. thanks, though.02:20
FIQ|n900I guess he just failed to parse an s/foo/bar/ like you wanted it? :P02:25
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LantiziaLo can stuff compiled for arm run on armel or does it have to be compiled for armel?02:33
LantiziaGot an old ipk package from a Sharp Zaurus I'm desperate to use on the n90002:33
Lantizia(if possible)02:33
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ds3is OABI_COMPAT enabled in the N900 kernel?02:35
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ds3then zero chance02:40
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BCMMFIQ|n900: he parsed it correctly, even though i actually meant the other instance of is02:47
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Macersure wish gftp worked a little better in maemo03:14
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DocScrutinizerwireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 )03:56
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: ^^^^^^04:04
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NIN101DocScrutinizer: I know, I already installed the plugin while you fighted against RPM or something :-)04:06
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Termanagood morning04:35
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DocScrutinizerbbl, burgerbreak04:39
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hiemanshuI may be blind, but I can't find the password for the VM Appliance05:29
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Macerhiemanshu: maemo/maemo07:15
hiemanshuMacer: ?07:16
hiemanshuah, Macer I found it :P07:16
Macerthe sdk sucks07:18
Macerit is amazing that so many apps were even made07:19
Macerbut i am sure actual devs probably tweaked the hell out of their sdk07:19
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: jacekowski:
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Macerwow. hi luke-jr07:35
Macerhow goes gentoo on the n900?07:35
luke-jrhaven't had time to touch it for a while07:36
luke-jrand quite honestly, it seems N900 is dead07:36
luke-jras a platform07:36
luke-jrI don't know what I'm going to migrate to :/07:36
luke-jrmaybe we'll have another 5 years with nothing new07:37
luke-jrlike after Sharp killed the Zaurus07:37
Maceri dunno.. maemo has the cssu stuff going07:39
psycho_oreossounds like you've given up hopes and dreams compared to others whom still persistently work to make N900 usable07:39
psycho_oreosmaemo has meego hackers edition going, maemo has people still willing to port hildon UX to meego, etc07:40
psycho_oreosmaemo isn't dead community-wise07:40
Macerluke-jr: i almost gave up on it too but then i finally got my su8w working properly and haven't used my g2 in a month07:41
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: I never cared about Meego period07:41
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: just the hardware, which is obsolete now07:41
Maceri was really close to ebaying it.. but even if maemo has a lot less support than it had it still beats the crap out of android07:42
ketasi plan to get one used07:42
luke-jrMacer: yeah, I still use it occasionally, but I don't see it going anywhere :/07:42
Macerluke-jr: i use it more than my android phone07:43
luke-jrI don't have a phone.07:43
psycho_oreosluke-jr, there hasn't been another device that will run maemo platform :) unless you intend to say something like android or moblin07:43
luke-jrdon't want one either07:43
ketasi hope one day i can use such devices just like computers07:43
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: like I said, I don't care about Maemo.07:43
ketasinstall os i want07:43
Macerhonestly android sucks compared to maemo and realistically... what does maemo need?07:43
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: I run Gentoo07:43
Macerluke-jr: get a libretto07:44
luke-jrwtf is that?07:44
Macertiny toshiba laptop07:44
luke-jr7" isn't tiny07:44
luke-jrway too big07:44
Macerat least it used to be07:44
psycho_oreosluke-jr, some bloke had debian on maemo, and no, not in a chroot environment. I don't know if the bloke is still working on it or not07:44
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: I have Gentoo on N900.07:44
Macerdamn. last time i saw it it was like 4 :)07:45
luke-jrMacer: yes that's what google said07:45
ketascan't put that into pocket07:45
psycho_oreosluke-jr, though you're not going to improve that? :D07:45
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: no, N900 is obsolete already07:46
ketasdepends what you mean07:46
psycho_oreosluke-jr, obsolete without a successor :)07:46
ketasnokia is going too07:47
Macerno n950 with meego?07:47
luke-jrMacer: Nokia went Windows, forget?07:47
ketasnokia just ends i'm afraid07:47
ketasno windows, nothing07:47
luke-jrWindows = end07:49
ketaswhen i heard win8 having tile-based interface used with vertial touch screen... yes07:50
ketaspretty much end07:50
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Macerno. i didn't forget ;)07:53
Maceris that how large it is opened?07:53
Maceroh. .907:53
ketascan't put that into pants pocket i'm afraid07:54
Macerthat looks pocket sized07:55
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ketasonly wifi?07:56
ketasthere is a way07:57
Maceradapter for it07:57
Macerwow i want one of those07:57
Macerthat thing is a beast07:58
ketasdoh, adapter for it?07:58
Macersome optional accessory according to the specs07:58
Macerintel gma50007:58
Macershared mem tho07:58
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ketas450g weight08:01
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Maceri cant find out where to buy one08:03
ketasi want something smaller08:03
ketasmore like n90008:04
Maceroh. it won't be produced08:05
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Macertoo bad that looks awesome08:05
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psycho_oreosany of you tinkered with the contents of osso-backup made backups? trying to find the list of applications that the user has previously installed08:54
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DocScrutinizerit's a simple dir, with a, that holds a /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/(catalogs|applications).backup "file" with plain text XML content09:54
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, thanks a million! I was barking up the wrong tree that whole time *grumbles*, I was constantly searching for that in settings.zip09:57
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: thanks you for pushing me at it. I mentioned to _trine lately how nice it'd be to have a "backup" publicly available, that has only applications, but then *all* available applications, so you could work around that annoying "install one app at a time, then wait 5min" issue in HAM10:01
DocScrutinizerjust "restore" that public "backup", and select the apps to install from the multiple choice list that HAM is showing when called via backup-app10:03
psycho_oreosI guess that issue isn't as bad as installing packages that are not publicly available :) you get a big list of packages that cannot be installed due to this or that after waiting for x amounts of hours10:03
DocScrutinizercan't follow10:04
DocScrutinizerprolly I'm tired10:04
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: could you rephrase please? maybe a real life example?10:05
psycho_oreoswell normally when one restores application list from osso-backup. the user gets prompted upon reboot that HAM needs to be turned on for restoring of applications. When the user does that, the user has to wait for HAM to finish checking individual applications that the user has installed and comparing that to the repository to see if its available before prompting the user the list of packages that cannot be installed or can be installed. The user clicks10:06
psycho_oreoson what to install/restore however there's some applications that cannot be installed because they don't meet certain requirements. This is after several hours of waiting :)10:06
psycho_oreosI was in the process of doing just that :D10:06
psycho_oreoshumm there was an application whereby HAM popped up to say this package is not installable due to blah blah case. Continue installing? and you get Yes/No question10:08
psycho_oreosI can't quite remember the name of the package off the top of my head but due to the amounts of restore I have had to do and the last time I did restore which was not long ago I have some memories of it10:13
psycho_oreosI think it was called nQapp or something, audiobook player/reader10:13
psycho_oreoswoot! caching all the apps so that I won't have to get hacked HAM to download as much on next restore (hopefully)10:16
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ShadowJKwtf, Cordia banner?11:24
ShadowJK(hildon on meego)11:24
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: thanks for stopping me before I invested time into this backup-all idea11:25
ShadowJKon tmo, there's ad banner for cordi11:28
ShadowJKI think cordia is project to run gtk+hildon (maemo) on meego :P11:28
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, sometimes the more I think of it, the more it makes sense for one to use backupmenu imo11:28
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DocScrutinizerbackupmenu is KING - kudos to robbiethe1st11:29
DocScrutinizernow if it also would do on-board fiaskogen, it'd be just too good to be true11:31
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* ShadowJK has new battery for his N81011:31
ShadowJKthird battery so far :P11:31
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I swapped the old one against a "new" unused one from my spare, and reboots still happen11:32
ShadowJKThe out of box charge is higher than fully charged 2 yo genuine nokia batt11:32
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robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer: Well, you're welcome to mess with it. There's a nice "t"(test) command area you can add whatever code you want to; make things simple.11:33
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: I'm afraid I got NFC about fiascogen11:33
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DocScrutinizerlearned about its existence like 2 weeks ago11:34
DocScrutinizerfor sure we'd not want to create the fiasco during backupmenu running, this should become a post-backup task11:35
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DocScrutinizertriggered somewhere in system boot, or "cron"/"at"11:35
DocScrutinizermaybe even not at all on-board but on x86 linux?11:36
DocScrutinizer(sorry win/mac-users)11:36
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DocScrutinizermaybe this one: /usr/bin/pnmtofiasco ;-P11:38
DocScrutinizerthought I got a complete SB SDK here, but no fiascogen or similar anywhere11:39
* DocScrutinizer wonders where this thing came from, and where it hides11:40
robbiethe1stWell, the only thing I can say about this is that it'd have to be done at very low priority if the system was running: unzipping/zipping a large file will cause the system to be unresponsive, and sometimes crash it(I'm guessing when it doesn't send watchdog pulses fast enough11:40
robbiethe1stI'm guessing the creation process would be just as demanding11:40
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Ex-OpesaHI, any preenv users here? I installed asphalt 5, the games works but I can't hear any sound during the race/menus.12:35
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alterego"The epic Android thread" not so epic anymore.13:05
alteregoWhat we need is a few more random rumours, then t.m.o will be super popular.13:06
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sleibtEx-Opesa, dunno if it's usefull but "some" programs can't output sound in silent mode on N900 / Maemo 5. Took me quite some time to figure out why audible navigation would not say anything ;-)13:20
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Ex-Opesasleibt, My mobile is not on silent mode. Normal as usual.13:38
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sleibtEx-Opesa, "unfortunate" as it's the only suggestion I had...13:45
Ex-Opesasleibt, its okay. :)13:46
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ShadowJKit's so weird seeing my N810 hit 800mAh charge and still far from full14:30
DocScrutinizerhow would you reset kbd controller of a laptop without powercycling or suspending?14:32
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ShadowJKcosmic rays14:35
DocScrutinizerwon't help to reset14:36
DocScrutinizeris there any rmmod or somesuch?14:36
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: is it a USB kb?14:38
ShadowJKdoes you laptop have PS/2 ports?14:38
BCMMalso, what sorta reset?14:38
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MohammadAG51ShadowJK, I think all touchpads are PS/214:38
DocScrutinizerusing crappy usb kbd now14:38
MohammadAG51or recognized as that14:39
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ShadowJKMohammadAG, I just want to know if he has external ports or not14:39
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ShadowJKit's mostly reset at boot by the bios anyway14:40
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ShadowJKthese things are like multifunction chips that start emulating the old historic dedicated chips once initialized?14:41
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DocScrutinizer'funny' is both tp and kbd freeze same time14:43
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Khertan_n810Hello ... i ve revived my n810 :)14:47
Khertan_n810does there is a qt version of n810 that support qml ?14:48
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MohammadAGKhertan_n810, there's no 4.6, so there's no 4.714:49
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Khertan_n810qml could be the way to use qt without hikdonization, isn't it ?14:51
Khertan_n810it s funny to see that ham is really faster on Diablo14:55
lcukKhertan_n810, \o14:56
* lcuk uses his n810 regularly14:56
* Khertan_n810 revive his n810 ... repair screen connector14:57
Khertan_n810and now i m thinking ... who i prefere the n810 screen size14:58
compengihow come i can browse shared folders on the same network from media player?14:59
compengithis is very weird]15:00
psycho_oreosupnp sharing15:00
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compengihmm.. but why from the media plsyer15:00
ruskiebecause that's what upnp is meant from15:01
ruskiemedia sharing15:01
compengihmm.. nice15:02
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GNUtoohi, how to install tcpdump in maemo 1.3?15:05
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GNUtooI've added freemantle-tools repo but still nothing15:06
psycho_oreoshave you refreshed the lists?15:07
GNUtooand it's a fresh install15:07
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psycho_oreosactually the one in tools is older than the one in free15:08
ShadowJK... "free"?15:08
GNUtooah I get it with apt-get15:08
GNUtooI'll try to install it15:08
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ShadowJKYes it wont show in application manager15:08
psycho_oreos500 fremantle/free Packages15:09
psycho_oreosit won't show with a stock setup HAM :)15:09
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GNUtoothanks for the help15:16
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ShadowJK1400mAh from battery low to full charge on my new Pisen N810 battery :)15:23
ShadowJKthat's more than genuine nokia battery last time15:23
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MohammadAGKhertan_n810, QBadgeButton looks interesting, I might use it in a QListWidgetItem (C++ though)15:57
MohammadAGso thanks for that :)15:58
Khertan_n810it s not perfect15:58
Khertan_n810but it didn t look too bad15:58
MohammadAGit needs more white in the red gradient15:58
Khertan_n810oh you think ?15:59
MohammadAGyeah, I use facebook for iOS a lot :P15:59
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Khertan_n810it s take me less time to do it with qwidget than qml16:06
Khertan_n810it s took me 15min to do it in qwidget and 4 hours in qml16:07
Khertan_n810and it s not working well in qml16:07
* alterego just discovered ctrl+o in microb16:09
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MohammadAGKhertan_n810, lol16:12
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MohammadAGhow does PyQt get around /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qpainter.h:534: error: ‘QPainter::QPainter(const QPainter&)’ is private ?16:13
MohammadAGI see you passing QPainter in one function16:13
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alteregoPython wraps everythin in pointers16:14
alteregoA pyobject isn't merely a QObject, it's a QObject pointer wrapped in a Python binding16:15
MohammadAGpointers, right16:15
MohammadAGI usually use QPainter as an object, but it's actually a pointer in a delegate :P16:16
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MohammadAGthumbnailitemdelegate.cpp:77: error: passing ‘const ThumbnailItemDelegate’ as ‘this’ argument of ‘void ThumbnailItemDelegate::drawBadge(QPainter*, int, int, int, QString, QBrush)’ discards qualifiers wtf16:23
MohammadAGI'm not even passing this16:23
alteregoCan you like me the source file16:24
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alteregolink ...16:25
alteregoOh right16:27
MohammadAGit's a translation of , sort of16:27
MohammadAGline 59 is the one erroring out16:28
alteregoYes, I gathered that16:30
alteregoBut I can't see why it thinks it's a const pointer16:30
alteregoAnyway, just do a cast16:30
alteregowhen passing the paramter.16:30
alteregoOh I see, it's a const _function_ ..16:31
alteregopaint(...) const16:31
alteregoYou need to make drawBadge(..) const also16:32
alteregoSo forget what I said about casting the painter object ;)16:33
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Ex-OpesaThis is weird. My n900 didn't have sound on Asphalt 5 and now even Bubble Bash (newly installed) don't got it. Any fix for this guys?16:34
alteregoTurn off & on16:35
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Ex-OpesaRestarting n900 would help, you mean?16:36
Ex-OpesaAny reason behind that?16:37
Ex-OpesaI am restarting though.16:37
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alteregoIt's worked for me in the past.16:37
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Ex-OpesaIt didn't work. NFSU got sound though. :S16:40
Ex-OpesaAlso Asphalt5's intro video has sound.16:41
Ex-OpesaAngry Birds also has sound.16:42
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Venemogood morning16:43
Ex-OpesaG'Morning, Venemo.16:44
Venemohi Ex-Opesa :)16:44
Ex-OpesaHow are you doing?16:45
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alteregoReally enjoying using this exo pc :)17:03
alteregoNow I can start working on some of these cool projects I've got in mind for larger touch screen devices.17:04
Khertan_n810alterego: does it run meego ?17:05
Khertan_n810if yes does qt is themed ?17:05
alteregoI'm running ubuntu 11.0417:06
alteregoI've run meego on it (came with a relatively old  version pre installed, also used the wetab os, which is quite neat.17:07
alteregoBut my development will probably just using qml on top of Ubuntu until I've prototyped my UX, then I'll work on a meego instance.#17:07
Khertan_n810so good luck with qml :)17:08
alteregoI'm not going to be using handset or tablet ux, need to develop my own ;)17:08
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alteregoI've been using qml for ages :P17:08
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Khertan_n810i ll wait qml 2.0 before doing other try17:09
alteregoI don't have that luxury :P17:09
alteregoI've been developing the qml reference dialer application for meego btw17:10
Khertan_n810i didn t have it too17:10
piggzso, it seems someone decided to fake a score on my hi-score system already :/17:10
Khertan_n810but as doing syntax hilighting isn t doable yet with qml, as many part aren't working on maemo17:11
Khertan_n810each time i try to do something with qml i got bugs, limitations and slow result on n900, i ll wait 2.017:12
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alteregoAh, you don't use meeego then ;)17:14
Khertan_n810and meego is definitively not a target for me17:15
Khertan_n810no theme on qt17:15
Khertan_n810problem with qml17:15
Khertan_n810it s a NoGo17:16
alteregoMeh, fixed in 1.3 ;P17:16
Khertan_n810what qt theme or all qml bugs ?17:17
alteregoI imagine most of your issues17:17
alteregoqwidget is deprecated17:17
Khertan_n810qml is immature17:17
Khertan_n810try to do syntax highlighting on text17:18
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Khertan_n810try playing sound in loop17:18
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alteregoThat's where you use C++17:18
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MohammadAGI agree that QML is immature tbh17:18
alteregoOr submit fixes17:19
Khertan_n810try to do fast listview with a bit more complex display17:19
alteregoI think it's, erm, adolescent :)17:19
alteregoI wouldn't say immature as much as it's almost there#17:19
Khertan_n810i ll call it baby17:19
alteregoAnd we need more people to help extend it into different use cases.17:19
alteregoIt's not really enough to just give up and moan about it. Get involved and help shape it17:20
Khertan_n810alterego ? almost ? if all you need is display rectangle or image with iphonic animation, yes it s ready17:20
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Khertan_n810i m sorry but i didn t have enought time to help to make it working17:21
Khertan_n810i ve enough to do with my own project17:21
alteregoI think you think QML is supposed to do everything qwidgets do, but it's not17:21
alteregoqt-components implements widget set17:21
Khertan_n810exactly ... so why deprecated qwidget17:21
alteregoAnything specialised you have to implement yourself just like you do with qwidget.17:22
Khertan_n810qt-component ? which one ?17:22
trx[16:18] <alterego> qwidget is deprecated <- oO17:22
trxhow come?17:22
alteregotrx: it's deprecated in Qt517:22
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alteregoIt's being replaced with qml217:22
Khertan_n810yep but implementing hilighting on textedit is as slow as a ahsmatic moskito17:22
trxoh, i wasnt aware of that17:22
Khertan_n810so no it s not ready for everything17:23
trxKhertan_n810 dont user textedit17:23
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trxdraw your own control17:23
alteregoKhertan_n810: I agree with you really, but it's more supposed to be a glue and animation framework to seperate logic and make it easier to develop different UXs for different display profiles, when binding together your customer C++ components.17:23
trxdont use*17:23
Khertan_n810and why not do you own framework ?17:23
trxno need17:23
alteregocustom ..17:24
Khertan_n810altergo: it s worse ... it s require to design a ui for each device, plateform17:24
trxcheck txpad, it has a custom control for text editing17:24
alteregoKhertan_n810: not really.17:24
trxno problems with syntax higlighting17:24
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Khertan_n810txpad do syntax hilighting ?17:25
alteregoIf you do it write you can write a single qml app that runs across multiple verticals17:25
trxKhertan_n810 and code folding17:25
trx(not all languages supported atm)17:25
Khertan_n810txpad use qwidget17:25
trxnot exactly17:26
trxit uses its own methods for text controls17:26
trxand those use LCL from Lazarus17:26
trxso when qwidget gets deprecated, it is simply replaced in the LCL interface17:27
trxbasicaly, it only uses qt to draw the controls on the screen and interface with it17:27
Khertan_n810i can use also pygment but displaying result in qml is slow17:28
Khertan_n810while it s not with a qtextedit17:28
trxnever heard of pygment17:29
trxits a highlighing framework or what?17:29
trxi am very satisfied with highlighting i have17:31
trxbut to implement code folding for more languages takes time17:31
Khertan_n810and i m too on khteditor17:31
trxit should have been simpler17:31
trxbut it is what it is..17:32
Khertan_n810i m just angry by the future of qt17:32
Khertan_n810qml is a pain17:32
trxnever tried qml myself17:33
Khertan_n810it s took 20 or 50 more time to do something worse than with qwidget17:33
trxthat sucks17:33
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trxwhy did they go that way, will it have improvements over QWidget eventualy?17:34
Khertan_n810and many things are missing, not yet ready or buggy17:34
Khertan_n810why did they switch for wp717:34
trxgood point..17:34
Khertan_n810gtk is almost inexistant now for mobile dev17:35
Khertan_n810qt will become an ugly webruntime17:35
Khertan_n810which choice now17:35
MohammadAGdeprecated doesn't mean won't work17:37
Khertan_n810it s mean won t work17:38
SpeedEvilIt means bugs don't tend to get fixed.17:38
Khertan_n810no theme for apps17:38
SpeedEvilSo over time...17:38
MohammadAGKhertan_n810, nope17:39
MohammadAGQHttp works, but it's deprecated17:39
Khertan_n810yeah but without theme on qt apps you cqn t use qwidget17:39
Khertan_n810and what will be the future17:40
Khertan_n810using qml17:40
trxthere littraly are no themes for qt apps?17:40
trxdamn, that adds much more work to port17:40
trxcurrent apps17:40
Khertan_n810look like the same when you run qt app qs root on maemo17:41
Khertan_n810no theme17:41
Khertan_n810no kinetic scroll17:41
Khertan_n810no rotation17:41
MohammadAGMeeGo will have a Qt theme17:41
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Khertan_n810and many other things like that17:41
trxdamn kinectic scroll, i hate that thing17:41
Khertan_n810are you sure ?17:41
trxi had to reinvent kinetic scrolling17:41
trxfor my controls17:41
Khertan_n810they said no17:41
Khertan_n810trx indeed i ve reinvent some part too17:43
MohammadAGwho said no17:43
MohammadAGcause the theme exists but was disabled17:44
MohammadAG-style meegotouch when they get it working again17:44
Khertan_n810some guys on #qt-arm17:44
Khertan_n810didn t remember17:44
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MohammadAGask on #meego-arm17:45
Khertan_n810i got similar answer if i remember well17:46
Khertan_n810hum meegotouch style didn t seem to works on meego de17:48
Khertan_n810it s even worse17:49
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MohammadAGtake this to #meego-arm17:49
MohammadAG#maemo isn't the right place for MeeGo's stuff :p17:50
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Khertan_n810but the main problem was how to do soft  that work truely multi plateform17:51
Khertan_n810html5 + python + a stupid loader seems the only answer17:52
trxthe only way i see is to create a custom theme17:52
trxand use it17:52
trxeverywere, so it will be independent17:52
trxbut that sucks17:52
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javispedrobill gates wants to force uefi on arm18:11
javispedrofor windows 818:11
javispedroso that's how they want to do it.18:12
javispedroEFI "2"18:12
MohammadAGdoesn't ring any bells18:12
bindiextensible firmware interface18:13
javispedrothat is because you haven't bought any sandy bridge platform yet ;)18:13
bindiu for unified18:13
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javispedro~= BIOS 2.018:13
javispedrothis will be interesting to follow, as ms still has much more "persuasion" than meego, linaro, etc.18:14
javispedroor maybe not.18:15
javispedrointeresting times ahead.18:15
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Venemowithout any ARM based products, MeeGo won't really go anywhere, so no wonder MS has more "persuasion"18:17
javispedroI'm not talkinga bout the kind of influence that needs product18:18
javispedroe.g. Linaro won't have products18:18
javispedro(where product is shipping consumer device; ofc they have other kinds of products)18:19
javispedrorather, this is about standarization.18:19
javispedrowho will settle the PC-like reference standard that everyone will follow for the next decade? Android? MS?18:20
* javispedro bets MS. But tightly followed by my second option, "No one".18:21
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_trineIs there a way I can open 2 or 3 terminals at the same on the N900 ?18:28
hiemanshu_trine: yeah, open the app multiple times, it should open in a new terminal18:29
_trinewhen I try that it just comes back to the same terminal18:30
Choomjust use screen18:30
hiemanshuopens up in a new one for me18:30
Choomand setup .screenrc to make switching terminals easier18:31
hiemanshu_trine: oh you have to click the name X Terminal on top18:31
hiemanshuand hit new18:31
_trineI tried apt-get install screen and there wasnt one18:31
hiemanshu_trine: ^18:31
_trinehiemanshu, you are right18:32
_trineI can choose new18:32
hiemanshuyeah, and it should open a new one18:32
_trineyes it does thanks18:32
_trineI did not find screen,, has anyone else got screen on their n90018:33
_trinedoes anyone use faircrack here18:35
_trinethere does not seem to be a way to use deauth18:35
Choomhmm, screen is really missing18:35
Choomusually I use it remotely so I never thought about it much18:36
SpeedEvilscreen is there18:36
SpeedEvilIt's in one of the repos I have enabled - I forget18:36
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hiemanshuits in the extras-devel18:38
Choomweird, I think I'm using it18:38
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GNUtoohi, is the power kernel capable of kexec-ing another kernel or to be kexec-ed?18:44
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magnetophonHi, first of all: hats off to all the devs of the most polished Debian I have ever seen! I love it! Now for the question: Where do i start looking if i get a memory leak/cpu boom as soon as i click on reply in 'modest', but only in one mail, and not the others (afaik). I'm running extra's, and I have had testing enabled for a second, to install strongswan (which was later purged).18:50
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GAN900magnetophon, might play with the newer version in the CSSU18:53
infobotrumour has it, cssu is
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magnetophonGAN900: doesn't mention modest. Are you saying this is a known bug?18:55
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GAN900magnetophon, couldn't say offhand, but it's probable19:04
GAN900Modest is pretty sucky19:04
magnetophonGAN900: Well, does mention modest, quite a lot. Not my bug though. Guess I could upgrade and see if it improves. Would you say cssu stable is as reliable as extra's?19:05
magnetophonGAN900: and what don't you like about modest? What do you use?19:06
GAN900But it's just badly put together19:06
GAN900CSSU is a bit less stable than Extras, arguably.19:07
GAN900But it works better than PR1.3.19:07
magnetophonwhat do you mean by less stable but works better?19:08
magnetophonand what do you suggest for mail on the N900?19:08
magnetophonah you mean more features but also more bugs, right?19:09
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magnetophonGAN900: doesn't mention any real alternatives to Modest...19:12
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nid0modest is a lot sucky19:12
nid0the n900's implementation of it, at least19:12
magnetophonnid0: so waht are the alternatives?19:13
nid0my alternative is my E90 running s60 3rd ed with Profimail19:13
magnetophonwait, I thought maemo was the topic, and it only runs on n***, right?19:14
javispedroand 770 ;P19:15
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GAN900magnetophon, CSSU updates don't go through the same QA as Nokia updates. There are lots of bugfixes, but also some experimental features.19:15
javispedro(but it wasn't called maemo then..)19:15
GAN900javispedro, aargh.19:15
prontodoes anyone have a good method of turning the n900 into a webcam, using the back camera?   having issues with the gstreamer method19:16
magnetophonso what's good for mail on the n900? Or: how do I find the cause of massive memory/cpu consumtion when i click reply in this one email (but not others)19:16
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SpeedEvilIn principle, you could write a UVC gadget.19:16
SpeedEvilOr convince someone to.19:16
SpeedEvilThat would be a compleelty generic way19:16
SpeedEvilAnd would work with 'any' PC19:16
javispedrothere was one already iirc19:17
javispedrok-mode though19:17
nid0magnetophon: there are no good n900 mail clients. your choices are modest, claws, or easydebian and a desktop client. The last two are immensely difficult options to use as they arent hildonised19:17
magnetophonpronto: did you try:
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prontomagnetophon: video streaming over x11 fowarding? that sounds horrible19:19
prontoi'll give it a try though19:19
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magnetophonnid0: so everyone is using webmail? or sold their n900? Hey man, I'm on my N900 honeymoon here, don't kill the buzz!!  ;)19:20
Arkenoiclaws is not for weak hearts19:21
nid0I think most are just accepting the fact that the device has a crappy email client19:21
ArkenoiAnd there are some things that *could* be fixed, but no one cares19:21
Arkenoiit has new fancy UI with "tree view" in CSSU, but it still takes 4 taps to get to inbox!19:22
Arkenoiiirc there is WIP for QML-based all singing and dancing email client19:23
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magnetophonArkenoi: Well i'm migrating from hotmail so i'm ALREADY in my inbox after 4 quick taps!   ;)19:24
magnetophonSo, no ideas on the freak cpu/mem usage?19:24
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nid0tbh using hotmail with modest isnt too terrible as a lot of modest's suckiness is with imap rather than MfE19:25
Arkenoiwell, you may use gmail web "optimized for iphone and android", it looks pretty nice on n90019:26
nid0but, i've never seen any problems with resource usage replying to messages19:26
magnetophonnid0: i'm migrating TO imap! What are the main problems I should be watching for?19:26
nid0well, the huge ones for me are lack of imap idle (modest should support it but Nokia in their infinite wisdom decided to remove the ability entirely rather than just make it an option) and total lack of the ability to set local folder subscriptions19:28
magnetophonArkenoi: one of my reasons for moving to imap was "big brother"...19:28
nid0I also had a load of other annoyances and limitations, but its been a while since i've even had my work imap account setup on the device19:28
mer_geI also just can use modest jo get email notifications. nothing more19:28
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mer_geI use sylpheed in little debian atm19:29
magnetophonnid0: let me google that..19:29
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magnetophonnid0: so imap idle could use less battery because it doesn't need to "ping " the server? or what's the big deal?19:31
magnetophonnid0: just asking...19:32
nid0imap idle uses more battery than intermittently polling the server, but it allows for new messages to be delivered instantly19:32
nid0the fact that it uses more power is why nokia decided to remove the feature19:32
magnetophonnid0: me likes :D19:32
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mer_gedoes anyone use "eduroam" with maemo?19:35
javispedroeduroam settings are wildly variable between campuses.19:36
mer_geoh, didnt know that19:36
mer_geI couldn't get it to work here in austria although it seemed it was supported through the UI19:37
javispedrowhat's the configuration there?19:37
magnetophonThe info I have now (about the resource-bug) is not going to lead to a very useful bug report (i think). What is my next step in researching this? Are there email headers or something that I could attach to the bug-report? (so the Modest devs can find out what made that mail different)19:38
mer_gejavispedro that's it
magnetophonnid0: did you mean subscribe to a folder as it is used here: ? (the thunderbird waw)19:42
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javispedromer_ge: note that TU is on the whitelist, so it should work :)19:43
mer_geoh nice, havent seen the page before! awesome19:43
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* timeless_xchat grumbles19:44
timeless_xchatham, apt-get and dpkg all hung when i asked them to remove 'katana'19:44
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timeless_xchatnow apt-get autoremove is hanging19:44
timeless_xchathow do i ask dpkg why it's hanging (short of using strace)19:45
MohammadAG51a reboot fixes it, a killall doesn't19:45
MohammadAG51happened to me on ubuntu a couple of times19:45
nid0magnetophon: thunderbird and most mail clients support obeying server-side subscriptions and setting local subscriptions as well19:46
MohammadAG51couldn't find a reason19:46
nid0modest only does the former19:46
Maceri want an oko 2+19:48
Maceri bet the damn thing will be impossible to find19:49
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nid0the oqo2 that got cancelled?19:50
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Macerit was cancelled??19:50
Macerwell.. there goes that then it seems19:50
Macerdamn that thing looks totally awesome19:50
Macera damn shame19:51
SpeedEvilIntel atom?19:51
Maceryeah heh19:52
SpeedEvilAh - that's a chunky battery.19:52
Macernothing wrong with atoms :-P19:52
SpeedEvilMy n900 has lots of them in.19:52
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SpeedEvilBut a MID with a fan is ...19:53
Macerbut that thing looks like it is pretty cool19:53
Maceryeah. the fan kind of threw me off :)19:53
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Macerbut the specs on that thing are awesome for its size19:53
Macerplus the docking bay thing looks pretty neat19:53
Macerthat thing looks like it could seriously pick up if they actually make it19:55
Maceri am curious if they actually sold a few of them because i could have sworn i saw on on ebay or amazon19:55
Macerbut that might have been a model 219:55
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MacerWe are sorry to report that OQO Inc. is out of Business as of April 2009, OQO has closed.19:56
Macerdamn :)19:56
SpeedEvil We are sorry to report that OQO Inc. is out of Business as of April 2009, OQO has closed.     The "OQO Model 03" being marketed in China is a Fake/Clone. The website is NOT an official site. OQO never sold any IP to the  Beijing based AudioTone.19:56
SpeedEvilIn april 2009?19:56
SpeedEvilThat was pretty ambitious.19:56
Maceri know :(19:56
Macertoo bad they started off during the economic collapse19:57
Macerthey had absolutely awesome hardware19:57
Macermaybe i will try to get an older model 1 to see how it is.. but damn that 2+ looks like it seriously could have been something19:58
SpeedEvilOr did they have awesome slides?19:58
Macermaybe i can write a letter to dell to tell them to pick it up haha19:58
SpeedEvilWith the upcoming oak-trail and ... thingies from intel.19:58
Maceryeah :)19:59
Macerit is a shame that the best things come to an end19:59
Maceri guess if you are a start up things never work out anymore19:59
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Macerthat oqo stuff looked great but they just didn't have the money to keep going i bet20:00
javispedroit was über expensive20:00
Macerhow much?20:00
Maceri think for something like that i would pay $2000 :) a 1.8GHz atom in the palm of a hand is nice20:01
javispedrothey did sell models with that price20:01
SpeedEvilYou've got all the costs of a notebook.20:01
SpeedEvilAnd then 1.5* the cost as it's a small vendor, maybe 2* the cost as it's small volume, ...20:01
MacerSpeedEvil: prices would have dropped as supply and demand would increase20:02
Macerbut they were around during the worst of the economies20:02
javispedronot when they started20:02
Macerso their failure was already fated :)20:02
SpeedEvilMacer: True.20:02
SpeedEvilMacer: If they can hit volume20:02
Macerjavispedro: yeah but releasing stuff during 200920:02
Maceronly apple could pull that one off20:03
Macerok. i have to go. too bad about that oqo. that thing looks like it would have been pretty damn great20:03
Maceri'd have bought one20:03
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MohammadAG51was the guy who wrote the password generator that gen'd "maemo" ever thanked?20:05
javispedro...hmmm active digitizer20:07
* javispedro drools20:07
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hiemanshudammit, second freaking time, I rm -rf 'ed in the wrong dir :/20:12
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myuuI dont know why im reminded of the openpandora when I look at that thing20:15
GAN900Does anybody actually have one?20:16
GAN900I like how it sort of dropped off the face of the planet when it started shipping.20:16
javispedrobecause it did exactly what Nokia might be going to do in af ew months20:16
javispedrorelease a long-due outdated gadget when everyone is already on the next generation.20:16
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moo_is there any alternetive flashlight application?20:57
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hiemanshuwhats wrong with the current one?20:58
moo_it causes a bunch of wakeups20:58
moo_i.e. decreases battery life significantly20:59
moo_so i want a binary or a command I can simply run to turn on the leds20:59
hiemanshuah, well I use flashlight-extra, never really had a problem21:00
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hiemanshuslide the cover, and it asks me if I want camera or flashlight21:00
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yigalso silent21:09
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Ikarusanyone have working ? it isn't popping up the browser when it says it would22:24
Neccthe biggest problem in the world22:26
Neccany hope that there will be ever a stable, useful dropbox client for N900?22:27
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MohammadAGit's been quiet in here lately23:28
meceit's weekend and summer23:28
SpeedEvilOn that topic.23:29
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vldcnstI see no peppers in that pic23:30
SpeedEvilI don't think I have any peppers.23:31
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MohammadAG51hmm, accessing music off the uSD should reduce load times right?23:37
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meceSpeedEvil, wow23:52
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