IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-06-01

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ScorcererDocScrutinizer: all done, now to make ls aut-color everything like gentoo does00:02
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KhertanSomeone have access to maemo extras assistant ? Seems broken00:03
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Khertani got file upload error each time i try to upload a .changes filre00:03
DocScrutinizer# You may uncomment the following lines if you want `ls' to be colorized:00:04
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DocScrutinizerKhertan: check queue if somebody else started some build lately00:05
DocScrutinizerKhertan: that might indicate this user managed to upload00:05
Khertanqueue is empty00:05
* DocScrutinizer can't imagine this to happen when there's no problem with upload ;-D00:06
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alteregoNokia really need better graphics designers00:08
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KhertanTue May 31 01:12:47 EEST 2011 date of last build of the autobuilder00:08
DocScrutinizerpester X-Fade ?00:09
DocScrutinizerseems to me he's the only one known to have the powers to do sth about it (much to my concern about how to handle such things, there should be at very least one proxy)00:10
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* DocScrutinizer takes mental not to sort out exactly same issue for OM infra00:11
KhertanDocScrutinizer : there is many things that should be fixed on autobuilder00:11
DocScrutinizers/not /note /00:11
meceI mean \o00:11
Khertanbut why bother to do it for a dead plateform.00:12
keks-nPlease, help me to set up uboot. I cann't figure out why it doesn't boot maemo's kernel00:12
keks-nThere are modules for it00:12
ScorcererDocScrutinizer: works like a charm now :)00:12
keks-nAnd it boots without u-boot00:12
Khertanobs is the way to go (or not to go) for MeeGo00:12
DocScrutinizerglad to hear :00:12
keks-nBTW, is there _any_ configuration files for it?00:13
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: you installed e.g the powerkernel46-uboot pkg?00:13
KhertanX-fade : i always get file upload error while uploading .changes on Maemo Extras Assistant ? Can you check what happen please. Thx00:14
keks-nThis one00:14
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: alas this "crippled" version of uBoot doesn't use env, so no there's no live config00:14
keks-nSo, how I can tell him what to boot?00:14
keks-noh wow00:15
* mece is doing some drunk debugging. Always a good idea.00:15
DocScrutinizeryou set up your uBoot menu in any config file at compiletime00:15
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DocScrutinizerI think the pkg mentioned above comes with 2..4 boot options, like maemo/meego-from-uSD/meego-from-eMMC/dunno00:16
keks-nBut I don't see any menus00:17
keks-nJust Nokia logo00:17
keks-nAnd then black screen and poweroff00:17
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DocScrutinizerproper fully fledged uBoot has a set of cmds to setup and save env vars that define the menu00:17
DocScrutinizeropen your kbd slide00:18
DocScrutinizerto make uboot menu show up00:18
keks-nIt's already opened00:18
DocScrutinizerthen sth went wrong00:18
DocScrutinizeror I'm wrong ;-)00:18
keks-nSetting up uboot-power (0.2-1) ...00:19
keks-ninitctl: Job not changed: softupd00:19
keks-nVersion 0.4.4 started00:19
keks-nWaiting for messages00:19
keks-nflasher v2.8.2 (Jan  8 2010)00:19
keks-nImage 'kernel', size 2006 kB00:19
keks-nUsing flashing protocol Mk II.00:19
keks-nISI message from new source (10, 00)00:19
keks-nFound device RX-51, hardware revision 220400:19
keks-nEntering update mode00:19
keks-nBeginning image update00:19
keks-nnand: Finishing %       0 /    2006 kB]00:19
keks-nnand: Flashing kernel image00:19
Khertani think it was the thing near the camera00:19
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keks-nSlide is opened00:19
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keks-nAnd I see just Nokia logo -_-00:19
keks-nWill try to install uboot-pr1300:19
DocScrutinizeryou wait until  nand: Flashing kernel image finished?00:20
keks-nI've waited about 6 sec after apt-get finished00:20
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keks-nWill now try to flash it from desktop00:20
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keks-n# flasher-3.5 -F kernel-power-46-uboot.fiasco -f -b00:22
keks-nflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)00:22
keks-nImage 'kernel', size 2006 kB00:22
keks-nUSB device found found at bus 001, device address 038.00:22
keks-nFound device RX-51, hardware revision 220400:22
keks-nNOLO version 1.4.1400:22
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: uboot-power obviously needs an installed powerkernel (or those modules at least) I'd guess00:22
keks-nVersion of 'sw-release': <no version>00:22
keks-nSending kernel image (2006 kB)...00:22
keks-n100% (2006 of 2006 kB, avg. 23066 kB/s)00:22
keks-nFlashing kernel... done.00:22
DocScrutinizerflashing kernel...done. sounds better00:22
keks-nThe package has it listed in it's dependencies00:23
DocScrutinizerdunno, ubot-power works just fine here00:23
DocScrutinizerno problems neither with install nor with invocation00:23
keks-nI'll try to install uboot-pr1300:24
DocScrutinizerinstalled via HAM!!00:24
DocScrutinizerit's known to "fail" via apt-get00:24
mecehey, should I do a separate thing in qt .pro file for every different sized icon to get this thing working properly?00:25
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keks-nI've disabled HAM because it eats my GPRS-trffic00:27
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: what *exactly* did you do to install uboot-power?00:27
keks-naptitude install uboot-power00:27
DocScrutinizerand before?00:27
keks-nRemoved multiboot and kernel-power00:28
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keks-nkernel-power was in version 4700:28
DocScrutinizerI mean, you're supposed to run this as root, no?00:28
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DocScrutinizeryou used "root"?00:28
keks-nI've used sshd00:28
DocScrutinizerssh root@n900 ?00:29
keks-nlocale problems?00:29
keks-nkernel-power-flasher works perfectrly in this way00:30
DocScrutinizerkernel-power tries to raise a notifier. It needs access to user's session-dbus00:30
keks-nI see the notify from kernel-power-flasher00:30
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keks-nWith a lot of text and buttons00:31
DocScrutinizerso it will run via apt etc when run in a sudo gainroot environment00:31
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DocScrutinizerbut not in a real root environment00:31
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DocScrutinizeranyway you need to accept that requester as well, otherwise install fails00:32
DocScrutinizerbest practice: use HAM to isntall it00:32
keks-nuboot-power doesn't ask anything00:32
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keks-njust flashes the kernel00:33
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: it's not like I did 55 uboot-power installs to evaluate it, I'm just quoting things I heard eventually00:33
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keks-nAt least I see "image flashed successfully"00:34
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DocScrutinizerand I know I installed uboot-power via HAM without problems00:34
keks-nuboot-pr13 works fine00:34
keks-nI see menu and then it boots the original kernel00:35
DocScrutinizersame here, with uboot-power00:35
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keks-nBTW, I can boot any kernel with U-Boot, right?00:39
keks-nAnd just have a menu item for kernel-power00:39
DocScrutinizerbasicaly yes, though the one packaged together with uboot has to fit into the nand partition00:39
keks-nIf I write kernel-power into initfs partition00:40
DocScrutinizeruboot default is to load the adjacent kernel from same partition00:40
DocScrutinizershould work00:40
DocScrutinizerbut then you also need the OS rootfs on the matching location00:41
keks-nNow I just want to boot at least kernel-power00:41
keks-nIf it doesn't boot when packaged with u-boot00:42
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keks-nI'll boot it from initfs00:42
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DocScrutinizerthe menu entry of "standard" uboot is "kernel=<somewhere_on_uSD> rootfs=<somewhere_else_on_uSD>"00:42
DocScrutinizerthe maemo entry is "kernel=<adjacent> rootfs=mtd4(?)>"00:43
keks-nI have to convert it to uImage, right?00:44
DocScrutinizerNB uboot-power doesn't offer an alternative powerkernel in addition to stock maemo kernel. It replaces stock with powerkernel00:44
DocScrutinizerso basically allows to either boot maemo+powerkernel fron NAND, or meego+meegokernel from uSD00:45
DocScrutinizerI'm not aware of any method that allows choosing between stock maemo and pk-maemo00:46
DocScrutinizerthough it would be really interesting to clone maemo from NAND to uSD00:46
DocScrutinizerI planned to do that, for one weekend a year ago. But forgot about it ...00:47
DocScrutinizercan't be *too* hard00:47
keks-nLooks like that this version supports only two kernels00:48
DocScrutinizerthere shouldn't be too much hardlinked_to_NAND stuff00:48
DocScrutinizerall usual uBoot version only support 2 kernels00:49
DocScrutinizer2 kernel-locations to be precise00:49
keks-nI just want to boot ubuntu + nitdroid + kernel-power00:49
DocScrutinizerNAND, and uSD00:49
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meceandre__, ping00:49
DocScrutinizergood luck with booting nitdroid - should have been done since ages00:49
keks-nAlso "source" package comes without any sources00:49
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andre__mece, pong00:50
keks-nJust binaries00:50
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: :-/00:50
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meceandre__, hi, can I get a bugtracker for tweedsuit on
Zaakmmmhey, when i do lock screen and keyboard and then unlock my screen it doesnt ask for my pin. Anyone know how i can set it so it does?00:51
keks-n>>U-Boot loads00:51
keks-nfirst, stores the environment, and then checks for boot files on the SD card, if00:51
keks-npresent. If the bootfiles are not found, it will instead load the appended kernel00:51
keks-nimage. This should in theory be totally transparent.00:51
ZaakmmmLike autolock instantly rather than lowest setting being five minutes.00:51
keks-nIt looks for config, right?00:51
andre__mece, sure. drop me an email with some info:
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: if you manage to boot nitdroid via uBoot, then PRETTY PLEASE go to nitdroid folks and teach them how to do it, and prod them to bin multiboot in favour of uBoot00:52
keks-nI had an idea about using my own kernel+initramfs00:53
keks-nAnd then just kexec00:53
keks-nBut it looks like that kexec is broken on our devices00:53
keks-nEven in 2.6.3500:53
javispedrono one seems to care since uboot happened00:54
DocScrutinizeryes, kexec is borked00:54
javispedrowell, I care, but I hardly do any kernel work these days...00:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hi! :-)00:54
keks-nIs _any_ kernel capable of kexec?00:54
* javispedro likes appearing from under the shadows00:55
keks-nTried one from Ubuntu00:55
keks-nBoots fine, loads initramfs00:55
javispedrokeks-n: since pr1.3 all of them are capable. wheter you can boot into a determined state is an unknown.00:55
javispedrodetermined as in deterministic00:56
* javispedro 'd blame sgx00:56
keks-nI'll try again and see what happens when I do kexec in the same kernel00:57
javispedronormal stock n900 still fails to boot one of every 30-60 boots for virtually no reason other than sgx being improperly reset.00:57
keks-nBTW, what if I use the kernel from Ubuntu to run Maemo or vice versa?00:57
lcukjavispedro, sample size?00:57
keks-nWhy they are incompatable?00:58
javispedrolcuk: small :)00:58
ZaakmmmAnyone have any idea?00:58
lcukmy larger sample size does not experience boot problems00:58
lcukand I would notice such things.00:58
lolcatI have figured out how to fix microb00:59
lolcatPut the temp files in tempfs00:59
keks-nLooks like that I did something wrong while compiling the kernel -_-00:59
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javispedrolcuk: it is usually manifested as general slowness and some missed frames, and happens usually only after a cold boot00:59
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javispedronot a "failed boot" in the common sense, just some sgx initialization done the wrong way01:00
lcukjavispedro, self rectifying?01:00
lcukor persist until next reboot?01:00
javispedrothe latter.01:01
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lcukthe ideapad keyboard glows in the colour of the ui in liqbase01:03
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* javispedro ponders what to answer to a guy asking which would be the best cs degree for "learning PHP"01:04
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SpeedEvilGet a book, and save the cash.01:04
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javispedronice effect01:06
javispedroSpeedEvil: I am going to use your answer actually.01:06
lcuki was thinking the same01:06
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SpeedEviljavispedro: Actually - I change my answer to 'man php'01:07
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javispedroSpeedEvil: first one will do OK -- I am still pondering wheter this is a troll that has just read the recent slashdot stories or a genuine... "naive person".01:08
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lcukjavispedro, I made a few tweaks recently to liqbase01:09
lcuki have restored edit funcionality in the graffiti wall01:09
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lcukand and found out multiselect tagging is as addictive as I recall01:11
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lcuks/and and/and/01:11
infobotlcuk meant: and found out multiselect tagging is as addictive as I recall01:11
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javispedro"multiselect tagging"?01:12
javispedromultiple option tagging01:12
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keks-nHm. I have an opinion that the kernel needs cmdline when using kexec01:13
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DocScrutinizersounds reasonable01:14
javispedrosounds like a bug01:14
javispedrocmdline should be builtin01:14
keks-nkexec may override it with an empty one01:15
javispedroif kexec is discarding it is because it might pass some garbage for cmdline when you don't specify one01:15
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DocScrutinizerand then some little man in my head wispers "atag"01:15
DocScrutinizerdunno what he's all about01:16
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DocScrutinizeras I don't even know what atag might be01:16
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's your alter ego, kernel hacker DocS01:17
FunnyfaceI'm running a samba server on my N900 transferring files over wifi, but I only get speeds of like 346k/s, what could be the bottleneck?01:18
cehtehgot my otterbox today01:18
Funnyfacemy wifi is capable of at least 2.3MB/s01:18
cehtehno hole for the handstrap ... duh :P01:18
Funnyfaceand it's not CPU load01:18
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meceandre__, I don't actually see an email address there01:19
javispedroFunnyface: where did you get that samba from?01:19
Funnyfacewas some package in extras-devel01:20
javispedroah :P01:20
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: flash read speed?01:20
javispedronah, it must be something about smb itself01:20
javispedroI get 1MiB/s usually01:20
keks-nIt doesn't even show me tty01:21
FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: don't think so, I'm transferring to the device's internal memory which easilly does 20MB/s++ with USB cable01:21
javispedrobut this is my 3.0.xx build, same as n8x0 had, which is the only one that has a binary that is less than tens of mibs01:21
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keks-nThe fine thing - kexec works perfectly under QEmu01:21
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andre__mece, "Send an email to the bugzilla address mentioned at the bottom of every page in Bugzilla ("Questions about bugzilla")."01:22
andre__see the bottom of that page01:22
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keks-nsomething appeared01:22
Funnyfacejavispedro: something you put together yourself then?01:22
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DocScrutinizerFunnyface: PSM on WLAN?01:22
javispedroFunnyface: try using ssh01:23
DocScrutinizerset PSM to off01:23
javispedroFunnyface: to discard a wlan settings problem01:23
meceandre__, hah ok thanks *bonk self*01:23
Funnyfaceah sorry misread.. I can try having a look at it01:24
FunnyfacePSM = power saving mode I get it :P01:24
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keks-nI managed to run nitdroid kernel01:26
keks-nvia kexec01:26
keks-nBut it fails01:26
MohammadAGnow make Easy Nitdroid and get rid of multiboot01:26
DocScrutinizer /o\01:27
keks-nUnable to handle kernel NULL pointer01:27
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keks-nat address 0x0000000001:27
keks-nbut at least I see it's tty01:27
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javispedrokeks-n: I've been telling you, the state it boots on is random01:29
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keks-nIt's stable, lol01:29
javispedrowith meego, it might boot, then hang in xorg. or deadlock in the first process it's run.01:29
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keks-nI get this error every time when I try to exec Nitdroid01:30
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javispedrobecause you're not even getting as far as running init..01:30
* MohammadAG wonders how stable Linux 3.0 is...01:31
javispedrobtw, nokia is tanking already:
cehtehanyone surprised by that?01:31
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: it's really just 2.6.4001:32
meceandre__, srsly, this might be the alcohol talking but I'm not finding the Questions about bugzilla on this page:
cehtehhaha yes i've forgot01:32
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: There is nothing major architechturally about it.01:32
MohammadAGjavispedro, doubt it, think it was planned01:32
andre__mece, argh, maybe that's obsolete by the update to 3.4... might not be your fault :) let me check01:32
cehtehmeanwhile its time for another direction change at nokia .. hey the last one is more than one quarter ago!01:33
andre__mece, yeah, no good. let me fix the wikipage.01:33
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I see01:33
meceandre__, well might also be me. I happen to be a tiny bit tipsy due to a work celebration thing.01:33
meceandre__, ah ok, thanks :)01:33
keks-nLooks like that I have to move back to multiboot01:33
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, any reason they skipped 3 major version and some thousand subversions?01:33
javispedrokeks-n: did you research why they do not use uboot?01:34
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keks-nI can get it working even with kernel-power01:34
FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer and javispedro: turning off PSM made it a little better :)01:35
Funnyfacegetting 550k/s now instead of 33001:36
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: The king penguin wanted to.01:36
infobotkeks-n meant: I cann't get it working even with kernel-power01:36
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Also - 20 years01:36
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javispedrokeks-n: obviously. android needs its own kernel.... but why such kernel cannot be booted with uboot.01:38
andre__mece, fixed01:38
keks-nI cann't get uboot-power working -_-01:38
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keks-nBTW how can  I safely flash an image?01:41
keks-nFrom device01:42
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MohammadAGdefine safe01:42
MohammadAGan image of what01:42
SpeedEvilWhy from device?01:42
keks-ndd if=zImage of=/dev/mtd4 looks risky01:42
SpeedEvilYou can use flasher01:42
keks-nI'm trying to run ubuntu with multiboot now01:42
MohammadAGsoftupd -vv --local &01:43
MohammadAGflasher -k image -f --local01:43
keks-nDoes it needs something else?01:43
MohammadAGa reboot01:44
keks-nI. e. is it possible to call it from init?01:44
meceandre__, mail sent01:44
keks-nUbuntu looks incompatable with multiboot's boot sequence01:44
andre__mece, and received. will handle it tomorrow01:47
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DocScrutinizerkeks-n: calling it from init is almost close to multiboot01:48
meceokay. could you tell me an url to a bugtracker already? I'd like to publish an update that has the correct link?01:48
keks-n>>calling it from init is almost close to multiboot01:48
keks-nI have no choice now01:48
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keks-nBTF why Maemo says that sdcard is incompatable?01:49
keks-nIt has an vfat file system on the first partition01:50
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keks-nwhat the...01:53
keks-nkernel-power doesn't boot with multiboot now -_-01:53
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ioanhi. is there any way to enable the "dialing pad" in google talk?01:54
jacekowskikeks-n: read the topic01:54
javispedroioan: what you mean, emit dtmf tones while on a gtalk call or dial a random contact?01:55
ioanemit dtmf01:55
andre__mece, for filing a ticket it would be
meceandre__, thank you very much :)01:56
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ioanwhile in google talk call, if I try to open the dialing pad, I get "call doesn't support dtmf tones". Can I enable it anyway and send tones? How?01:58
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luke-jrsomeone needs to make elastic eink or LCD, so you can stretch out a handheld/phone to become a tablet without carrying the bulk around02:04
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SpeedEvilImagine the n900.02:04
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: long time no see :-D02:04
SpeedEvilBut with where the top quarter was - a roll of screen that you could unroll.02:05
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sorry, I hold the patent for that ;-)02:05
DocScrutinizerand eink by itself is basicaly flexible02:06
keks-nWhat the02:06
keks-nI've wrote CONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/ubuntuinit in the config02:06
keks-nBut it still uses /sbin/preinit02:07
luke-jrDocScrutinizer ☺02:07
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Macerafter using my n900 with maemo for over 3 weeks then using my g2 today02:14
Maceri think i am going to sell my g202:14
ioanwhat's the gconftool-2 key for gtalk settings?02:14
cehtehcan the camera chip detoriate or is it a firmware bug when images have a reddish hue in the center?02:16
cehteh(its not my illumination of the red led)02:16
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meceMacer, what's a G2?02:22
cehtehandroid phone02:22
Macerhtc vision02:23
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keks-n>>Unable to get SU_PARAM_PRODUCT_CODE02:23
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DocScrutinizercehteh: weird02:24
DocScrutinizercehteh: you placed it facing to the sun with open lens cover, or sth?02:25
cehtehhappens in brighter light situations02:25
keks-nWhy the flasher doesn't work?02:25
SpeedEvilcehteh: Most camera chips say 'don't make it stare at the sin'02:25
cehteheventually i photographed towards the sun a few times but never for long time02:25
DocScrutinizerno idea02:26
* cehteh applies some sun lotion to it02:26
DocScrutinizermight as well be some sort of bleeding or sth02:26
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keks-nI've dd'ed the kernel to /dev/mtd302:26
SpeedEvilSe the datasheet - I've not looked at it for sun02:27
keks-nAnd now it doesn't boot02:27
SpeedEvilAlso - clean the sensor.02:27
DocScrutinizercehteh: test it on a uniform white surface, with different illumination brightness02:27
cehtehDocScrutinizer: same results then02:27
cehtehi just dont have a bright white surface here at night02:27
MohammadAGlies, you're using a monitor to look at your IRC client02:28
DocScrutinizerwell, it shouldn't change with brightness when it's some sort of deterioration02:28
cehtehthe sensor shouldnt become dirty .. its not exposed normally or? .. i never disassembled it02:28
SpeedEvilcehteh: I mean the window02:28
cehtehthats not the sensor :)02:28
cehtehwell yes i cleaned it02:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: indeed, that's what I thought as well02:29
SpeedEvilcehteh: I know - I have a migraine at the moment.02:29
DocScrutinizeryou might want to disassemble device and clean the window glass and sensor lens02:29
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cehtehit looks pretty clean, disassembling will prolly worsen it02:30
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* cehteh shoot a white sheet of paper02:30
DocScrutinizeryou maybe can't tell things like nicotine condensation on the inside02:30
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cehtehi dont smoke02:31
DocScrutinizeryou can't even tell that easily that N900 front plastic actually isn't 100% transparent02:31
DocScrutinizer(btw a major design flaw for the unsensitive frontcam)02:32
cehtehi know02:33
cehtehsee the image above .. maybe enhance contrast a bit02:33
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cehtehat darker light its a green tint in the middle with a pink halo02:33
DocScrutinizeryou know about the artifacts that are created by the silver frame around lens when using flashlight? I wouldn't be surprised to see same for the blue plastic of slider on bright sunlight02:34
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cehtehyes but that looks differently, coming only from one side and not in the center02:35
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MohammadAGnicotine in the N900?02:35
cehtehbesides i painted the blue rim black02:35
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MohammadAGthat's new :p02:36
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how do you explain bright spots on the screen?02:37
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MohammadAGa friend of mine got them on his N900, probably from dropping it too much02:37
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: disturbing the diffusor layers?02:38
MohammadAGmy router's signal is 3/10 in the same room :/02:38
DocScrutinizerthere's an effect where LCD displays get spots when applying too much pressure so electrode surface structure gets destroyed02:38
cehtehwell that doesnt explain my sunburn problem :P02:38
MohammadAGso the only fix is screen replacement right?02:38
MohammadAGcehteh, your N900 got sunburnt?02:39
cehtehMohammadAG: my cam .. see photos above02:40
MohammadAGdirect link? I hate photo sites on the N90002:41
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cehtehwell yes02:42
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MohammadAGthat grass is supposed to be green eh?02:43
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Choomthat's quite interesting02:43
cehtehi didnt know that it is *that* sensitive to sunlight and easily damaged02:43
MohammadAGhmm, lots of noise on the right02:43
MohammadAGthat shouldn't happen02:43
ChoomI've always wondering what a sun burnt camera would be like02:43
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MohammadAGcehteh, change the outer lens I guess02:43
MohammadAGor disassemble the N900 and take a pic02:44
cehtehwell keep it as is, or replace the camera02:44
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SpeedEvilcehteh: The canera is repaceable.02:44
cehtehi know02:44
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, it could be the outer plastic02:45
cehtehbut for a end user its prolly not easy/cheap to order would prolly cost me 40+ Eur with shipping and all02:45
cehtehMohammadAG: the plastic is fine02:45
SpeedEvilcehteh: I forget where you are.02:45
SpeedEvilcehteh: not EU?02:45
cehtehyes EU02:46
SpeedEvilShould have 2 year warranty02:46
MohammadAGOnly the EU uses the € afaik :p02:46
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MohammadAGI wonder why Nokia wasted three keys for £$€02:46
MohammadAG| would've been better imo02:47
SpeedEvilI want shift-blue to work02:48
SpeedEvilThat gives you another 25 keys or so right there02:48
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SpeedEvilShift-blue-sym too - in principle - though that would probably be overkill02:49
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cehtehyou can configure that :)02:51
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cehtehah no .. blue/function key isnt a normal modifier right?02:52
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SpeedEvilI don't think so02:52
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cehtehbtw is there any mention about "dont point directly into the sun" in the nokia manual? .. maybe i just try a warranty repai02:57
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GonzoTheGreat_I noticed that the IRC log dutifully posted the password!03:10
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NIN101 I lold03:11
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cehtehNIN101: haha03:12
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cehtehsomeone kick that kid in the nuts03:13
timeless_xchathello from Toronto03:13
cehtehGonzoTheGreat_: loggers are great, aren't they? :)03:13
cehtehnow you dont need to remember your passwords anymore, the intarnetz do that for you!03:14
cehtehhi timeless03:14
GonzoTheGreat_I should set up some spoof account somewhere with the username and password and see who is  biting.03:14
timeless_xchathi cehteh03:15
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* timeless_xchat needs to unpair a dead phone from facebook03:15
timeless_xchatyou can lock a facebook account to a bunch of phones03:16
cehtehi never used facebook03:16
timeless_xchatand when you try to log in from an unrecognized device, it'll send an sms challenge03:16
timeless_xchatw/o that info you can't log in03:17
cehtehif you dont need that dead phone anymore, send me the camera module please :P03:17
timeless_xchatdead phone number technically03:17
timeless_xchatif you want the sim, i can send it somewhere03:17
timeless_xchatbut it was only good for 15 days03:17
cehtehi should head out for a damaged n900 to scrap it for spare parts :)03:17
cehtehmy cam got sunburn03:18
timeless_xchatit should work for keeping your classic symbian phone from refusing to exit offline mode03:18
cehtehwell i was lamenting earlier about that .. better i work something else now03:18
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timeless_xchatanyway, i'm using Wind here in Toronto03:18
timeless_xchatthey're relatively good - when compared to Canadian providers03:19
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timeless_xchatunlimited internet (10cad/mo) has a certain bandwidth limit, you pay an extra 10/mo for 7.4mbit ("tethering")03:24
SpeedEvilNot bad at all03:25
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timeless_xchati'm skipping the tethering fee for now03:27
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timeless_xchatand taking a 10/mo fee to call/msg usa03:27
timeless_xchatw/ a reasonable base of 25/mo03:28
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timeless_xchatmost canadian plans w/ data end up running 100/mo03:29
timeless_xchatw/ 5gb data caps03:29
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, how do you do that phone + facebook thing?03:36
* MohammadAG never noticed it, I only have to enter the new device's name03:36
MohammadAGnvm, found it03:38
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, what if I lose my phone number and cookies?03:40
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timeless_xchatthere is a recovery protocol03:43
timeless_xchatyou set up an emergency phone number03:44
timeless_xchatbut... try not to lose your cookies :)03:44
MohammadAGI mean, what if I can't find any phone :P03:44
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timeless_xchatthe emergency phone shouldn't be yours...03:46
timeless_xchatif you're on facebook, surely you have friends! :)03:47
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wblazetimeless_xchat: <3 wind.03:49
wblazebeen with them since last year, they've been great03:50
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wblazenetwork coverage isn't great, but the price and service more than make up for that since I'm not out of the GTA enough to worry about roaming03:51
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timeless_xchatwblaze: where are you? (geoping)03:57
timeless_xchatyeah, it reminds me of Cingular wireless around 200103:57
timeless_xchatwblaze: i'll be there starting Tuesday03:58
wblazeyes!  I made the same comparison with Cingular03:58
wblazehopefully Wind doesn't get bought out by one of the big three, like they did.03:58
timeless_xchatyeah ...03:58
wblazemoving, or visiting?03:59
timeless_xchatatm Canada has a bunch of upstarts03:59
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timeless_xchati'll live in downtown03:59
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timeless_xchati'm @The Element03:59
timeless_xchatactually, i'm eating @fresh (on Spadina ?)04:00
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timeless_xchatI need to pick up a Bike and find a bike route out to Mississauga ...04:01
wblazeI'm still learning the area, myself04:02
wblazeotherwise I'd offer to help04:02
timeless_xchatwhen did you arrive?04:03
* timeless_xchat should also try to see about picking up Jays tickets04:04
wblazeend of october04:04
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timeless_xchat7 months?04:09
wblazeso far04:10
timeless_xchatso.. where would you go shopping for things?04:11
* timeless_xchat needs a shaver04:11
wblazeshoppers or walmart, usually04:11
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* timeless_xchat should look up how the bike rentals work04:12
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GAN900timeless_xchat, congrats on arriving in one piece.04:12
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timeless_xchatgan900: thanks04:12
timeless_xchatoh right, i need to call TD bank and fix up telephone banking + paypal.ca04:13
wblazeunless you're looking for a good straight razor, in which case i have no idea other than pointing you towards Yorkdale or Square One04:13
* timeless_xchat is walking along Spadina @King04:13
timeless_xchatmy last was a Braun04:14
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GAN900There's an EPP deal you can get.04:15
timeless_xchati'm not so worried about models04:15
timeless_xchatmore about ease of acquisition04:15
wblazemalls would be my only suggestion, mostly because i gave up on electrics at least 8 years ago04:15
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timeless_xchatbtw, women here look much nicer than in HEL and they're friendlier too04:16
wblazeeverybody is friendler in canada04:17
timeless_xchatany tourist suggestions for a Wednesday?04:19
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wblazeCN Tower or Center Island would be my rather obvious suggestions04:20
* timeless_xchat just snapped some pictures of the former 04:21
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timeless_xchati think cycling around the latter is in order04:21
wblazesounds fun04:22
wblazethe parks off lakeshore are nice as well04:22
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timeless_xchati need to try cycling from the skydome to mississauga04:25
timeless_xchati'm hoping i can do it in around an hour04:25
DocScrutinizerlo timeless_xchat04:25
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timeless_xchathi docscrutinizer04:26
wblazeshouldnt be too hard to manage04:26
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wblazepay attention to traffic signs/aignals though04:27
DocScrutinizercehteh: there were spare cam modules on sale04:27
wblazecops can be a pain in the ass to cyclists04:27
ebzzryHi! What happens first, running of the items in /etc/event.d or mounting home?04:27
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wblazeebzzry: should be filesystem mounting, but i could be horribly mistaken assuming the boot order is sane04:28
timeless_xchatgan900, try loading
ebzzrywblaze: hmm04:29
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infobotfrom memory, xyawn is nap04:30
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timeless_xchatok, path is roughly 22km (80mins)04:36
timeless_xchatabout double optimal time via transit04:37
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* timeless_xchat investigates "shoppers"04:37
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timeless_xchatgan900 : so this place has braun, philips and "toni&guy"04:40
cehtehDocScrutinizer: where?04:40
GAN900timeless_xchat, only have experience with Panasonic.04:41
GAN900Though a couple of my friends use and enjoy Brauns.04:41
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cehtehnote to myself: next phone cam with a real shutter please04:42
cehteh(any phone exists with a real shutter cam?)04:42
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timeless_xchat ?04:42
cehtehIlluminated, blue LCD04:43
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cehtehguess i wait until mine fails more04:44
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cehteh40 eur isnt it worth yet04:44
cehtehmaybe i put it a daylong into sunlight then all dyes fade away and i have a nice b/w cam with 4 times resolution :P04:45
DocScrutinizercehteh: I'd think the cam driver (firmware?) should have a muladd static compensation04:47
timeless_xchati'll go for something cheap for now and fix it later04:47
DocScrutinizermaybe even a gamma compensation frame04:47
cehtehprolly yes .. since i have this sunburn it pumps in color when using it in viewfinder mode04:47
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cehtehso maybe its even more damaged than i see04:48
DocScrutinizerso possibly this compensation got nulled04:48
cehtehcan try a raw pic with bless900 .. but i dont really know how raw that is04:48
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DocScrutinizernot THAT raw04:49
cehtehwhat really scares me, i checked recent photos and it happend really fast after one short exposure to direct sunlight04:49
DocScrutinizerhmm, you're sure it's related to sun exposure?04:49
GAN900timeless_xchat, yeah, I can't recommend that Panasonic highly enough.04:50
cehtehnot sure, but thats the only explanation i have04:50
GAN900Had it for about a year and a half now.04:50
DocScrutinizerfirmware got messed up04:50
cehtehare the filter dyes mositure instable? .. condensation perhaps?04:50
DocScrutinizeris another explanation04:51
cehtehyes that could be too04:51
cehtehmaybe i do a cold reboot with removing battery (normal reboot didnt fixed it)04:51
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DocScrutinizerI doubt that'll change anything, but won't hurt04:52
cehtehmy first thought was firmware too .. second was sunburn .. i cant think of anything else04:52
DocScrutinizerdirty window/lens04:52
cehtehnope thats not04:53
DocScrutinizeryou can't know04:53
cehtehcleaning makes no difference and it doesnt look like a lens artifact04:53
DocScrutinizerthere are THREE "exposed" surfaces of transparent object, before light hits sensor04:54
DocScrutinizeryou only cleaned one04:54
cehtehthree? ... more likely 5 :)04:54
cehtehwhile the inner surfaces are reasonable encapsulated (not completely but still)04:55
DocScrutinizerI said "exposed"04:55
* SpeedEvil notes that air is a transparent object.04:55
DocScrutinizerwhere's the surface?04:55
cehtehfront glas, (2 surfaces, both sides), single lens (also 2 sides), IR filter, bayer filter, sensor surface04:56
cehtehfor the filters i dont know how they are assembled04:56
cehtehir is usually a glass or plastic piece in front04:56
SpeedEvilcehteh: The bayer filter is deposited on the sensor.04:56
SpeedEvilcehteh: There may also be microlenses in there too.04:57
cehtehwhile the bayer is directly on the chip04:57
cehtehyes plus microlenses but i doubt this camera has that04:57
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timeless_xchatit looks like i'll have to go to Best Buy to get that shaver04:58
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timeless_xchatand i'll probably need to fix my credit card04:59
cehtehwoot .. no torx screws on the back ...04:59
cehtehmhm but still i dont want to disassemble my device now04:59
cehtehah 2 torx at the bottom05:00
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DocScrutinizeryou need phillips and torx05:00
* timeless_xchat objects to calling air an object 05:00
cehtehi dont even know if my torx set is here or on our other flat :P05:00
timeless_xchat... a substance,  maybe, but not an object :)05:00
DocScrutinizeranyway, you could implement your own calibration. Just multiply by a picture of a white surface05:01
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cehtehhaha .. how many bit resolution does the camera output? 10 in pseudo raw mode?05:02
cehtehif its 8 bit then any afterward callibration is doomed05:02
DocScrutinizerthere MUST be some way to calibrate that, as you can take pictures as well05:04
cehtehyes thats usually done internally by uploading a lut to the readout circruit05:04
DocScrutinizerif you had to use dithering, use dithering05:05
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DocScrutinizerbut I honestly doubt it's 8bit per channel05:05
cehtehfor jpeg it should be05:06
cehtehand 8bit per channel is really the mimimum standard05:06
DocScrutinizercehteh: find the sensor's datasheet!05:06
cehtehsensors are crappy in other ways adding noise and uneveness05:06
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cehtehprolly internal it scans at 10bit05:07
cehtehso rebootet .. lets try05:07
cehtehnot better ..05:07
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DocScrutinizerexpected that05:08
DocScrutinizerdarm, what BS am I telling that I *don't* notice?05:08
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cehtehi should watch out for some dead n900 for scavenging05:09
DocScrutinizeror even not - seems expected is closer to anticipated than I thought05:10
* cehteh really wonders if thats covered by warranty, i didnt do some abuse05:11
cehtehi mean that one points the camera into sun direction for a few seconds is just to be expected use05:12
DocScrutinizercehteh: I'd expect (this time SIC) to find some calibration somewhere, like the CLUT you mentioned. Not sure if it may be a per-pixel calibration that is based on a video frame of data05:12
cehtehwell i give up for now05:12
DocScrutinizercehteh: I wouldn't even mention that, esp since you're not sure if it happened at all and if that's been the cause05:13
DocScrutinizeryes, it's guarantee05:13
DocScrutinizerand I'm absolutely not buying the sunburn theory. Way to smooth and even an effect05:13
cehtehyou seen the photo .. that day i was on a hill here in the black forrest and for the first time i photograped in real bright sunlight05:13
cehtehwell maybe05:14
cehtehbut i have no other explanation yet, if its firmware a reboot should have it fixed or?05:14
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DocScrutinizerI expect some firmware inside the sensor module05:14
cehtehmoisture? ... sweaty pocket? .. i doubt05:14
cehtehor no .. maybe its done all in the DSP05:15
cehtehto make the sensor module cheaper :P05:15
DocScrutinizerpossibly as unflashable as the one in e.g the accelerometer05:15
SpeedEvilcehteh: It sounds unlikely that a few moments will kill the sensor05:15
cehtehok but i still have no idea what caused it05:15
DocScrutinizerand if it did, it had a spot or scar, not an evenly distributed wrong color05:16
cehtehyes usually firmware does some color correction for the lens .. but i didnt changed the lens :P05:17
DocScrutinizeryes, but the firmware might have "changed"05:17
cehtehmaybe fcam or bless900 sends some odd sequence which cripples it05:18
DocScrutinizerif you have guarantee on it still, then my suggestion is to use that05:18
DocScrutinizerotherise my first advice is to disassemble and clean thoroughly05:18
DocScrutinizercehteh: might be05:18
DocScrutinizerget the datasheet05:19
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cehtehmhm .. maybe it looks a bit better now? .. well i have to try tomorrow in daylight05:19
DocScrutinizerI have looked into it, but only for max framerate and zoom05:19
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infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer05:20
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: do you know about correction for main cam?05:21
DocScrutinizerevidently for frntcam they improved it with pr1.1(?)05:22
cehtehmhm i really think it looks better now .. but its too dark here05:22
DocScrutinizerthe effect should depend on illumination05:22
DocScrutinizershould NOT05:22
cehtehdepends from where it comes05:23
DocScrutinizerif it's deterioration of any sensor parameter05:23
cehtehand with too dark i mean i cant even get a good example shot :)05:23
DocScrutinizernow that's for sure a limit05:23
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It's got all sorts of shizzle - from vignetting correction onwards in the DSP05:24
DocScrutinizerI'm starting along lines of excessive UV irritating the sensor05:24
cehtehmy neon desk lamp is too flickery, i tried to photograph my monitor with a big white termial .. that looks better but says close to nothing05:24
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DocScrutinizers/ting /ting to think /05:25
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: I'm starting to think along lines of excessive UV irritating the sensor05:25
* DocScrutinizer tired?05:25
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DocScrutinizerUV at least would match the distribution pattern of the effect05:27
cehtehfreaky :)05:28
cehtehsolarize effect and moire while photographing my monitor05:29
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cehteh(white screen)05:29
SpeedEvilThat's normal05:29
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cehtehi should sell that as desktop background for 3.99 at the apple app store :)05:30
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bistongood morning06:07
bistoni just wanna ask a quick question. if my ham is giving me the msg that i need to upgrade the CSSU package thru PC Suite, is it safe to alternatively update the package via fapmanager ?06:08
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bistonor i can always do it via terminal06:09
bistonwhich is better ?06:09
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DocScrutinizernever use fapman, at least for system pkgs07:01
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DocScrutinizerfor apt-get ask mohammad, I dunno. But I'd think if HAM complains about "you need to use pc suite..." then there are conflicts that you can't sort with apt the easy way either07:02
myuujust check the problems tab07:03
myuuoh he left07:03
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DocScrutinizermoo myuu07:05
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DocScrutinizerlooks like a jandel poem07:06
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keks-nNow I see multiboot menu when booting Ubuntu's kernel07:10
keks-nBut it doesn't react on any keys07:10
keks-ni. e. these keys appear in the console07:11
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keks-nActually I see q,w,e07:16
keks-nOr Q W E with shift07:16
keks-nHm, it uses /dev/event107:18
keks-nThere is no such device when system is loaded07:18
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keks-nWill try to fix it to /dev/input/event107:20
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keks-nlol, something went wrong07:23
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keks-nIt should use /dev/input/event0 instead of /dev/input1 when running Ubuntu kernel07:53
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keks-nIt won't flash the kernel -_-08:09
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DocScrutinizerincredible what you're doing just to get nitdridiot running08:11
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keks-nI want to run Ubuntu, not nitdroid08:12
DocScrutinizeris it really worth the hassle?08:12
dm8tbroh, yes because everything has to run ubuntu... ;)08:12
dm8tbrkeks-n: which version?08:12
dm8tbrkeks-n: good luck, the n900 SoC has broken thumbs...08:12
dm8tbrpun intended08:13
keks-nI saw some Illegal instruction errors while running the second stage of debootstrap -_-08:13
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DocScrutinizerso you need multiboot to boot buntkuh now? o.O08:14
dm8tbrkeks-n: yes, you need to go back at least two versions...08:14
keks-nI have an idea of integrating uboot into multiboot sequence08:14
DocScrutinizerthat's impossible08:14
DocScrutinizeras it's completely different methods08:15
keks-nIt boots maemo kernel, it runs /sbin/preinit aaaannnnddd Multiboot is here!08:15
keks-nI just have to extract zImage from FIASCO image08:15
dm8tbrso that's a kexec based boot menu?08:16
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keks-nkexec is broken08:16
DocScrutinizerso what? next time it won't boot maemo kernel, as last time you used multiboot, it flashed ubuntu kernel to NAND @.@08:16
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keks-nMultiboot flashes u-boot, u-boot loads Ubuntu from SD08:17
keks-nWhen I decide to start Maemo, I just tell it u-boot08:17
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keks-nAnd it loads maemo kernel which brings me back  to multiboot08:18
DocScrutinizerso WTF do you need multiboot then?08:18
keks-nNitdroid and kernel-power08:18
keks-nI still cann't run u-boot with kernel-power08:18
DocScrutinizersorry, I got N*F*C how to run uBoot-kernelPower via multiboot08:19
DocScrutinizerbut I'm sure I'm absolutely happy with that and NEVER want to learn08:19
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DocScrutinizergood luck anyway, and don't forget to occasionally reread /topic08:21
keks-nUnfortunately I need android for development08:23
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: multiboot opens a menu, asks what OS to run, then reflashes(!!!) the kernel on NAND and reboots that new kernel, aiui08:25
keks-nIs there any other way of having nitdroid and ubuntu?08:25
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: 'interesting'08:25
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: so always have a second device handy to reflash your unit in case you know the menu zaps the kernel...08:26
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: obviously if *anything* went wrong on that procedure, when you update kernel the normal way, or mess with kernel modules, you're screwed on bootloop and got to reflash08:26
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: yes08:26
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dm8tbrkeks-n: u-boot can boot from MMC or NAND/eMMC - so?08:27
GonzoTheGreatI use this to run Meego and power kernel -
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: uBoot can even boot from all three08:27
keks-nNo I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power08:28
GonzoTheGreatStrictly not nitwits stuff08:28
infobotkeks-n meant: Now I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power08:28
GonzoTheGreatIt's a combo of multiboot and uboot08:28
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: your problem. Toldya uBoot-power pkg installs and works like a charm here08:28
keks-nAt least I managed to integrate uboot into multiboot08:29
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: last time I tried that there was something unsatisfied in the deps IIRC08:29
DocScrutinizerI didn't bother to build on my own08:29
DocScrutinizerI said "intall", not "build"08:30
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DocScrutinizeropen HAM, search for uboot, install uBoot-power pkg, done08:31
GonzoTheGreatthe installing uboot-pr13 section in the above link is teh key part08:31
DocScrutinizerdunno if you maybe need to have powerkernel (modules) instelled prior to that08:32
DocScrutinizeranyway multiboot is *DEPRECATED*08:32
DocScrutinizerand I fail to see any sane reason to use it08:33
DocScrutinizerif you want nitridiot, make it boot thu uBoot - hell, it seems to boot from NOLO, so why shouldn't it boot from uBoot08:34
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DocScrutinizeryou'd think the kernel doesn't really care where from it gets loaded to ram08:34
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: I guess I'll have to reflash 1.3 and retry. last time HAM complained that it couldn't find the power_46_ modules when I tried the _47_ uboot-power08:35
DocScrutinizereven if it's an insane nitridiot kernel08:35
DocScrutinizermhm, that might be a problem. I guess you might need to install powerkernel plain vanilla prior to uboot-power08:36
DocScrutinizert900:~# apt-cache policy uboot-power08:38
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 0.2-108:38
DocScrutinizer *** 0.2-1 008:38
DocScrutinizer        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status08:38
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DocScrutinizeranyway seems I got uboot-power4608:39
DocScrutinizerpossibly 47 got a bug, dunno08:39
GonzoTheGreatThere is a thread about it.08:40
GonzoTheGreatHence the link I posted above08:40
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DocScrutinizerI got it that link posted to noise about multiboot08:41
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DocScrutinizerhell, I really read all that weird stuff (can't believe it) - and there ARE people using nitridiot on eMMC even. Don't tell me you need multiboot to get it booted! quite obviously there's very little difference between meego and what nitdriod seems to need/use/do for boot08:59
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GonzoTheGreatWhy not write up how to do it "properly". All I want is have power47 and meego of sd.09:01
DocScrutinizerthe bootloader points to a location for kernel - this is obviously a vmlinuz file on a VFAT partiton for both meego and nitdroid - and BL pints to the partition where your rootfs lives - this is a ext2/3 formated partition for both09:02
DocScrutinizerthe main diference between meego and nitridiot seems to be the sequence of partitions on uSD09:03
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DocScrutinizerthen maybe you also make sure the vmlinuz kernel file has same full path and name for both your OS09:03
keks-nWhat the09:03
keks-nuboot doesn't recognize uImage09:04
keks-nOn  the SD card09:04
DocScrutinizerthe you should be able to swap between uSD with meego and uSD with nitdroid09:04
DocScrutinizerand of course you can use uBoot-power as well as uBoot-pr13 to boot uSD and nand-based maemo09:05
keks-nNow I'm unable to use uboot-power09:06
DocScrutinizerI don't see any reason to get both stock pr13 kernel and powerkernel on N900 concurrently09:06
keks-nIt even doesn't show it's menu09:06
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: surprise surprise, don't you use multiboot?09:06
keks-nLol, how multiboot can be related with uboot?09:07
keks-nIt just replaces /sbin/preinit09:07
DocScrutinizermultiboot is flashing the kernel09:07
keks-nHow can it interact with u-boot BEFORE something is mounted?09:07
DocScrutinizerthat's hat they told mew09:07
keks-nI've flashed U-Boot throght flasher-3.5 and nolo09:08
DocScrutinizerso what?09:08
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keks-nAnd even after it I saw only black screen09:08
keks-nI did it after removing multiboot09:08
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keks-nkernel-power boots from NOLO perfectly09:08
keks-nBut not uboot-power09:08
DocScrutinizersorry I can't help - maybe multiboot mean while has worn out your NAND - you know you can write/erase it only a limited number of times09:09
keks-nBut I've flashed several own kernels after it09:09
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keks-nAnd they also work09:09
keks-nAnd uboot-pr13 works09:10
DocScrutinizerread topic please09:10
keks-nI'm sure that problem is caused not by multiboot09:10
keks-nBTW how to make u-boot recognize the kernel from sd-card?09:11
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: isn't that what uBoot is all about?09:11
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DocScrutinizerisn't that what boot up each meego ever running out there?09:12
keks-n>>Wrong image format for bootm command09:13
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keks-nmkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu" -d ./zImage ./uImage09:14
keks-nWhere I'm wrong?09:14
keks-n$ mkimage -l uImage09:16
keks-nImage Name:   Ubuntu09:16
keks-nCreated:      Wed Jun  1 10:00:05 201109:16
keks-nImage Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)09:16
keks-nData Size:    1601364 Bytes = 1563.83 kB = 1.53 MB09:16
keks-nLoad Address: 8000800009:16
keks-nEntry Point:  8000800009:16
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keks-nArgh. Why debootstrap is so slow?09:49
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khertan_Hello !11:13
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keks-nubuntu kernel in the repo doesn't recognize my ext3 partition -_-11:21
robbiethe1stUh, why not?11:22
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khertan_X-Fade: are you here ?11:23
JaffaMorning, all11:23
Jaffakhertan_: BTW, Khweeteur 0.5.17-1 doesn't work for me. It starts, but never shows anything. After realising my Twitter account wasn't migrated from the old version, I recreated it. Still no luck. However, in the console I get "Pyside Mobility is not installed or is broken". pyside-mobility is installed & "latest version". What does "broken" mean?11:25
khertan_Jaffa: i can upload to extras devel11:25
khertan_0.5.24 will fix the problem11:25
khertan_s/i/if i11:25
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khertan_and morning Jaffa11:27
khertan_and thx for reporting the error.11:27
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khertan_What does "broken" mean? ... it s mean that a maemo 1.0.1-3 release have wrong dependancies and mix older binary with newer or something like that ... i didn't remember well11:28
khertan_s/maemo/maemo pyside11:28
keks-nHell yeah11:31
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keks-nI've got login promt on tty711:32
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Termanagood morning11:57
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keks-nI'm using netcat as a "remote shell" now12:16
keks-nbecause sshd is broken12:16
* b0unc3 good morning12:17
keks-nSo I write commands from PC and see the output on the device12:17
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ruskieSpeedEvil, so basically expected...13:49
SpeedEvilAnyone not expecting a profits warning hasn't actually been paying attention.13:49
ruskiethey really did put bullets all over themselves with the WinPho7 blunder13:49
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Arkenoiwhut, again?13:51
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edheldilruskie:  interestingly though, the analysts don't see the connection :)13:53
SpeedEvilNokia has 11 billion euro in cash on hand.13:54
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SpeedEvilOh - that's from 200713:54
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MohammadAGthat guy on #meego is lulz14:13
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keks-nI think installing ubuntu to the phone from scratch via debootstrap was a bad idea...14:17
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MohammadAGtook me 12 hours14:18
MohammadAG+- 1014:18
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keks-nNow I'm trying to install at least gdm and gnome-session14:19
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firstormcan any one help, my phone got abit wet it had been in drying cuppboard for 5 days now, just turned it on and still got no screen, i've plugged the av cable in but get no output on the t.v ! is it dead and need rpairing?14:25
SpeedEvilDid you take the battery out?14:25
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firstormtook it out had been left open and in there for 5 days give or take!14:26
firstormit boots up cause i got txts msg on it and the keyboard lights up14:26
SpeedEvilClean water?14:26
firstormwell it was on a car and it rained14:26
firstormbut it was like 3 drops of water on it14:26
firstormnothing special so i'm going for the fact it's just got mostier ? sp in it!14:26
firstormbut there was a wet patch on the screen but thats gone14:27
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firstormthats the word lol14:27
SpeedEvilI'd try leaving it for another couple of days.14:27
SpeedEvilWater damage would generally not be covered by warranty14:27
SpeedEvilThe screen can be replaced.14:27
firstormi know! :( and it's not insured either!14:27
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firstormyer not good is it! :(14:28
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firstormnot to fussy about the phone but got some data on there i need off it!14:28
SpeedEvilIs the screen visible at all?14:28
firstormnope get nothing!14:28
firstormso i thought i would plug the phono lead in and i could see it on a tv14:28
SpeedEvilI assume you've not setup ssh or whatever?14:28
firstormnar :(14:29
firstormi never got that fa with it lol!14:29
firstormon the 3rd screen in just over a year14:29
firstormtell me about it!14:29
SpeedEvilAFK - brb14:29
vldcnstSo what happens if you plug the USB cable?14:30
firstormit beps at me and starts to charge14:30
vldcnstHmmm, what kind of data are you trying to backup?14:31
psycho_oreosthere was some guy who experimented recovering his device after letting it expose to excess amounts of water by putting it into a bucket of rice or something and let the rice soak up the moisture. That is of course after opening the device apart and then letting rice soak up the water14:32
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firstormwell the laptop died on me so i chucked some video n docs onto the phone till i rebuilt the laptop14:32
firstormand just never transgred it back!14:32
firstormwish the bloody phone would once u plug the usb cable in if ud idn't select option it would auto time out and select one!14:33
vldcnstthe touch screen is dead too?14:33
firstormwell it seems it14:34
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psycho_oreosthe device isn't setup to do that by default, it acts like literally every other nokia phones out there when the user charges the phone when the battery inside the phone is flat. It basically acts dead14:35
vldcnstdo you have an SD card?14:35
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firstormnar cause i was stupid and saved it on the phone lol!14:35
SpeedEvilRice is largely bullshit.14:36
SpeedEvilConsider what happens if you put rice out in the air.14:36
psycho_oreosI don't think you could call that stupidity, if anything it was laziness that prevented you from transferring the data from the device back. You had to use your phone as a backup medium at that time which was probably a swift choice14:36
SpeedEvilDoes it become soggy?14:36
psycho_oreosI think it just gets a bit softer14:37
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SpeedEvilIt doesn't really14:37
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SpeedEvilNotice also that rice is cheaper than silica gel.14:37
psycho_oreosthen why do people put rice in with salt for example in the cases of shakers? or even garlic salt and stuff like that?14:37
SpeedEvilAnd you don't see packets of rice in electronics.14:37
firstormi've never used rice to dry stuff14:38
psycho_oreosits meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's chooice14:38
firstormbut i've put salt in a pot in a car before etc!14:38
SpeedEvilThe rice bangs the salt free14:38
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's choice14:38
firstormbut when u cook rice it expends in the water which is the same thing.14:38
nid0well, rice is a dessicant, its just not an amazingly good one14:38
SpeedEvilfirstorm: But it doesn't expand if you leave it in a humid place.14:39
vldcnsthow about booting the n900 with the USB cable plugged in, then ctrl+shift+x and then /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh14:39
vldcnstwould that work?14:39
SpeedEvilAnyway - simply heating for 50C for a couple of days is lots better.14:39
firstormbut yes psycho_oreos 100% my problem cause i didn't do it! but that not the poitn here my dad would kick my arse!14:39
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psycho_oreosvldcnst, minus the fact that the user might have phone/SIM lock enabled on the device? :)14:39
SpeedEvilfirstorm: Does the device respond to presses on the screen - does the vibrator go on?14:40
firstormi could understand if it sat in water or t was pissing it down silly heavy etc yer but it was not even rain!14:40
vldcnstpsycho_oreos: he already said he can receive TXT's so I assumed it's not locked14:40
firstormnar lock on the phone14:40
firstormSpeedEvil nope nothing14:40
firstormwindows beeps to say it sees that usb cable is plugged in!14:40
psycho_oreosfirstorm, either way its probably a good idea to let the electronics to dry from the point it was exposed to water/moisture14:40
firstormpsycho_oreos i have it's been in the airing cuppboard for 6 days14:41
firstormi get nokia song on load up14:41
firstormkeyboard lights up14:41
firstormjust no screen :(14:41
psycho_oreosvldcnst, interesting maybe certain other parts were affected14:41
nid0well, you've obviously got several broke bits, as well as the screen14:41
vldcnstfirstorm: where did the water enter the n900?14:42
firstormbut it boots up ok! and it seems happy lol!14:42
nid0if you got no working tv out or touch response14:42
psycho_oreosfirstorm, I meant pulling the device apart and drying but meh. It's probably too late, you might not even have touch screen functionality if you touched the screen and the vibrator or speaker does not make noises14:42
firstormit was screen up on top of a car14:42
firstormsee it's charging and i get keyboard lights14:43
firstormjust seems like the screen has died!14:43
psycho_oreoshave you tried touch screen functionality?14:43
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firstormin theory if i press some where down the bottom i should be able to select what usb mode i want14:44
nid0obvious question, does the keyboard actually work?14:44
firstormwell i can press buttons14:44
firstormbut no screen so i can't tell lol14:45
nid0did you actually try the advice given by vldcnst a while ago?14:45
nid0if the device boots, and the keyboard works, you can just launch xterm and enable mass storage mode14:45
vldcnstnid0: not sure he can close the select usb mode thingy14:45
vldcnstnid0: without a touchscreen14:45
firstormbut i cant see what i'm doing.14:45
SpeedEvilfirstorm: open keyboard, wait for led to turn off.14:45
SpeedEvilpress key14:46
firstormbut if the usb mode is still open? surley u can only clear that but clicking on screen14:46
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SpeedEvilI can't clear it with the keyboard, yes.14:48
firstormso that means if it's still up i can't do nothing with it?14:48
firstormcause the phone can't multi task?14:48
SpeedEvilIt can.14:49
SpeedEvilIt's just that that's a system modal dialog.14:49
nid0is the device set to auto connect to any net connection?14:49
SpeedEvilAnd it's meant not to take keypresses.14:49
Venemogood morning14:49
firstormit might auto connect to my wireless infact14:49
firstormcause it's got no sim in it so can't find 3g.14:49
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nid0if so and you've got a keyoard, you can just install openssh then scp your files from it14:50
nid0even if not, you can still bring up a wifi connection then do that, its just a bit more complex14:50
firstormso really what they need is to create a set of key presses that would automatically let u select mass storage device!14:50
vldcnstSpeedEvil: what does ctrl+shift+n do?14:50
firstormso does the av output run through the screen?14:50
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could flash a 'rescue' image that'd let you login14:51
firstormbecause when i cracked the screen before i could plug in av and i could see it!14:51
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SpeedEvilThe AV output does not 'run through thte screen'14:52
SpeedEvilBut eactly how the jack is enabled is a bit comlex.14:52
firstormdam smart phones lol!14:52
firstormlet me fire up some sort of network scanner then! see if it's picked the phone up!14:53
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nid0your router would probably be the easiest to check14:53
firstormyer for some reason router doesn't detect stuff connected via wireless :S got a seperate ap14:53
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firstormnope not connected to wireless :(14:57
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firstormwhats next step then lol :(15:00
SpeedEvilI don't have a good suggestion.15:01
vldcnstSpeedEvil: how about doing a ctrl+shift+x and then sleep 10; /usr/sbin/ and then plug USB cable?15:01
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could reflash an image which would let you access the data over USB without the dialog.15:02
SpeedEvilvldcnst: I have not tried that - in principle that - or something similar - might work15:02
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cityLightsha ha back at this hot contry15:03
firstormvldcnst should work?15:03
vldcnstfirstorm: maybe.15:03
cityLightsso, are there any news DocScrutinizer ?15:03
firstormwhat does the ctrl shift x do then?15:03
cityLightsnew CSSU?15:03
vldcnstfirstorm: it opens up a terminal15:03
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firstormah ok!15:04
firstormis there anything i could write to make it beep so i know it works?15:05
nid0you could reboot the device from terminal, thatll let you know you had it open15:06
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nid0if you've got espeak installed you can have the device respond to you15:07
firstormnar nothings installed on this phone :(15:07
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vldcnstcan he even run the mass storage script without gainroot?15:08
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nid0probably not15:09
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nid0I generally kind of assume that rootsh is an installed pre-requisite on any n900 though15:09
SpeedEvilapt-get install sshd15:09
nid0he has no wifi up15:10
SpeedEvilthen type in the password you want15:10
nid0so hes gotta sort that out via shell first15:10
* firstorm picks n900 up and lunches it across the room!15:10
firstormits ok it landed on my bed lol!15:11
nid0mmm, lunch15:11
firstormlol i saw that nid015:11
firstorm:( i'm thinking of food thats why!15:11
firstormurm vldcnst tried that nothing!15:11
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vldcnstfirstorm: I think the easiest way would be to plug a microsd card and ctrl+shift+x and cp15:22
firstormbut i don't know file names / folders15:23
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vldcnstfirstorm: cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /media/mmc115:24
firstormsee i dont' mind sending it back but i know they would format it!15:24
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VenemoMohammadAG, ping15:26
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nussehi there16:15
nusseanyone using syncevolution on the n900 and might share the config?16:16
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hiemanshuso is there a git client for N900? or is there a guide to set up an environment to compile stuff for the N90016:29
hiemanshumeego? isn't this the maemo channel?16:31
merlin1991hiemanshu: there's git in the extras repo16:32
lcukhiemanshu, lol yeah sorry16:32
hiemanshumerlin1991: I dont seem to find it for some reason16:33
infobotThe Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com16:33
infobotit has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at
merlin1991the installer link was in there at some point I'm sure16:33
merlin1991that would be the environment to compile for the n90016:34
nusseapt-get install git16:34
hiemanshumerlin1991: yeah, I am reading that16:34
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hiemanshunusse: apt-cache search git doesn't show it16:34
merlin1991hiemanshu: do you have -devel enabled?16:35
merlin1991it's only in devel16:35
hiemanshumerlin1991: ah ok, you said it was in extra16:35
merlin1991you can choose between and
merlin1991extras is -devel for me nowadays :D16:35
merlin1991the 2nd contrains a more recent version afaik16:35
infobotmerlin1991 meant: the 2nd contains a more recent version afaik16:36
hiemanshumerlin1991: ah, ok16:37
hiemanshuwell I just got the N900 a few days ago, a month old one from a friend16:37
hiemanshuso far loving it :)16:37
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hiemanshuI know rpm packaging, humm, should learn packaging debs too16:38
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hiemanshumerlin1991: so do -devel actually break your system in a way that can't be fixed without reflashing? because being a fedora dev, we always have a way around16:39
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merlin1991you can fix pretty much everything with reflashing, and most things without too16:40
merlin1991but devel also contains stuff like ic2-tools wich can brick your phone16:40
hiemanshuyeah well I can stay away from that for sure16:41
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merlin1991as long as you stay away from installing random stuff, and only upate packages you need to update you're save with -devel16:42
hiemanshubut installing random stuff and bricking your phone is fun </sarcasm>16:44
hiemanshumerlin1991: I will take care of that :)16:44
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merlin1991hiemanshu: you might be interested in
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hiemanshumerlin1991: sounds awesome16:51
hiemanshuthis is a secondary phone, basically no calls, no texts, so I can pretty much do anything with it :)16:52
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merlin1991I have the CSSU installed on my primary (only) phone :)16:54
BCMMsame, though mine is broken16:54
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BCMM(i should point out that i don't think CSSU is what caused the USB port to fall off)16:55
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hiemanshuBCMM: you are the 5th person to tell me that the USB port is breaking, I wonder why that happens16:57
BCMMhiemanshu: it's pretty much a known issue now16:57
BCMMit just isn't soldered down very well16:57
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BCMMnokia replaces them if that happens, though16:57
hiemanshuBCMM: yeah, but is it mishandling or just nokia's fault16:57
BCMMhiemanshu: well, it's not durable.16:58
BCMMprobably doesn't break if you are extremely careful of it; on the other hand, other phones' ports won't break even if you do use them a lot16:59
hiemanshuBCMM: makes sense17:00
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hiemanshuif only the processor on this thing was faster17:02
an0therb0xhello.. is it possible to sync my contacts from the n900 to google contacts ?17:02
keks-nSync it with outlook first17:03
keks-nvia PC Suite17:03
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hiemanshuBCMM: well technically you dont need a USB port, just get another battery, and one of those universal chargers, and you are set :D17:12
hiemanshuas far as syncing is concerned, scp++17:13
KrayoN900everytime you swap you have to power down though :-(17:13
hiemanshuwell yeah, its better than spending some $$ every month, esp if its a secondary phone17:14
rm3lHi - did someone ever found a working solution on how to set up a Google Apps account as an Exchange account within N900?17:14
KrayoN900i have to swap once or twice on a day i don't have a usb port handy :-/17:14
hiemanshuKrayoN900: the battery is that low?17:15
KrayoN900yeah n900 power doesn't do good once you're using 3G and bluetooth all day17:16
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KrayoN900i always have ogg podcasts playing and am usually connected with 3G17:16
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hiemanshuwell with 2G data all day long here, I get about a day and half, but I dont use it to listen to music or anything17:18
KrayoN900i listen to them with bluetooth headphones too17:18
KrayoN900it all adds up17:18
hiemanshuI have an iphone for that17:18
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KrayoN900when I bought my girlfriend one I was so surprised because she gets days out of her battery :-P17:18
hiemanshuyeah, but I dont have music playing all day long17:20
hiemanshumy computer does that for me17:20
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hiemanshuif only there was something in python, I could help develop to17:23
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BCMMshiny new n900!17:25
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BCMMso, how should i go about restoring things? will restoring a package list from the backup app get me back to CSSU or do i want to to do that first?17:27
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KrayoN900damn, i accidentally dismissed a dialog when i started midori. let's hope it wasn't important :-/17:27
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hiemanshuis any part of maemo in python at all?17:28
BCMMhiemanshu: what are you counting as "maemo"?17:29
trxi hope not17:29
hiemanshuBCMM: the base system17:29
BCMMtrx: why, what's wrong with python?17:29
trxnothing, i just wouldnt like parts of the kernel in python17:30
BCMMhiemanshu: i happen to have a just-out-of-the-box n900 here, and it hasn't even got python installed17:30
hiemanshuBCMM: ah17:31
hiemanshuBCMM: that means no17:31
hiemanshuI know Qt and Python17:31
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BCMMhiemanshu: as in PyQt, or as in C++ too?17:32
hiemanshuBCMM: pretty good with PyQt, and quite a bit of C++ plus, still learning C++17:33
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hiemanshuwhat is the difference between the generic and the country wise firmwares17:58
Jaffahiemanshu: Not much18:00
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hiemanshufor one I know the Indian firmware doesn't have skype18:00
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hiemanshuw00t, my PyQt apps run just fine on the phone, I just need to make the GUI for a 800 x 480 size18:26
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MohammadAGcan someone paste the output of lshal | grep battery.charge_level.capacity_state on a non low battery device?18:34
MohammadAGor is there a way to find all possible values?18:34
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* MohammadAG pokes merlin1991 18:39
merlin1991 oops I read low battery device18:39
merlin1991instead of non low battery device18:39
merlin1991can do, gimme a sec18:39
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MohammadAGI'd guess possible values are "low" and "full" but not sure what in between is18:40
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merlin1991  battery.charge_level.capacity_state = 'ok'  (string)18:40
merlin1991battery icon shows about 1/5 missing18:41
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bindii've 4 bars18:42
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MohammadAGok? -.-18:49
MohammadAGthat's probably the stupidest string to have, but oh well18:49
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GAN900Wee, out of the ER with some anti-nausea drugs.18:53
GAN900Finally going to get out of California.18:53
SpeedEvilGAN900: Congratulations!18:54
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GAN900Stuoid foreigners and their diseases.18:54
* GAN900 suspects the Finns.18:55
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SpeedEvilThe information given out by the Marine Hospital Service that since Feb.  22 there have been thirty-one deaths from bubonic plague in San  Francisco18:56
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GAN900Well, no sores.18:58
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hiemanshuis there like a Qt Designer template for the N900?19:09
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, no, should there be one?19:10
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: well it would be easier for most people to use it as a starting point, I could probably write one19:11
* hiemanshu is porting some of his basic PyQt apps to the N90019:11
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BCMMany idea what i'm doing wrong with making my SSH keys work again on this new phone?19:22
BCMMi've restored /home/user/.ssh/ and /etc/ssh/19:22
BCMMand fixed /etc/passwd19:22
BCMMwhat have i missed?19:22
BCMM(it still asks for a pass when i try to log in)19:22
MohammadAGjust use ssh-copy-id19:23
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BCMMMohammadAG: restoring /home/user/.ssh/ should really achieve that19:24
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BCMMalso, wouldn't i first have to create a password for user so i could log in?19:24
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BCMMoh i bet i know what happened19:25
BCMMi bet the backup app set the wrong permissions on .ssh/19:25
BCMMyep, 077719:25
MohammadAGBCMM, sure it's not /root/.ssh?19:26
BCMMMohammadAG: trying to log in as user here19:26
BCMMi used to be able to ssh user@n900, and it would work19:26
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BCMMthis did involve modifying /etc/passwd19:27
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BCMMfixed permissions and restarted sshd and it's still broken...19:29
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BCMMargh, why not parellel fetch in HAM?19:31
BCMM^no parallel19:31
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BCMMah! fixed somehow19:36
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BCMMthe backup app really needs to preserve permissions in the settings backup, and the user account being locked is just weird </rant>19:37
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MohammadAGJaffa, may I suggest offline_access for future versions of Hermes?20:18
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divodurumhow do i install msn on n90021:36
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divodurumno clue eh21:43
ruskiepidgin or the protocols for telepathy21:44
ruskielook in the app manager21:44
ruskieshould be able to find it21:45
ChoomI use MSN (Pecam)21:45
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Choomworks decently, doesn't support multiple logins though21:45
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BCMMmsn has multiple login now?21:47
Choomhas had for a while21:47
Choomyou can login from multiple places at the same time21:47
Choomunfortunately, logging in from my phone logs me out from everywhere else, that's the only downside of MSN (Pecan) for me, and it doesn't bother me much21:48
ruskiereally no reason with jabber with a jabber msn transport21:48
ruskieif you still actually use anything other than jabber that is21:48
Choomeveryone I know is on MSN and only a select few are on jabber, so MSN makes more sense as a default choice21:49
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Neccand sadly, noone of the apps out there actually supports network change (wifi<>2G/3G) without a high change to fail21:50
Choomwhat do you mean by fail?21:51
ChoomI have no problems with the transition, when I leave home the phone automatically switches to the mobile network and the clients reconnect21:51
Choomas soon as it finds an access point that it knows, it switches back to it21:52
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Necccase 1) when i change wifi<>2G/3G it simply doesn't even tries to reconnect automatically case 2) MSN tries to reconnect, but with sometime with a chance, it simply fails (gives up too early) and it doesn't even tries anymore21:52
Choomdo you have automatic mobile network connections enabled?21:53
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ChoomMSN (Pecan) never fails to reconnect for me21:53
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NeccMSN (pecan) fails to reconnect after a specific timeout, and never ever retries until another wifi<>2G/3G switch comes21:54
Venemo_Necc, neither MSN plugins work correctly, but I think butterfly is the least broken21:55
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Neccsame applies to MSN (haze), MSN, Skype, and even occasionly to OVI21:55
Choomthat's not my experience with it, I don't think I've ever seen it fail, in fact up until the latest version it would even fight with my windows client over the connection21:55
Neccall MSN apps for maemo simply sucks, it doesn't works as expected, and years ago now, nobody attempted to fix it normally -.-21:56
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Choomare you sure it's not a network issue?21:56
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VenemoNecc, newer versions of butterfly should work, the problem is that noone cares for updating it.21:56
ChoomI'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access21:56
NeccChoom, cause a timeout for login, somehow (like force 2G) and you will see all MSN on the N900 chainfailing21:56
ChoomI'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) *disconnect* for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access21:57
Necci am 100% sure it is not a network issue21:57
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Neccit is 1) application design fail 2) bug (timeout, and after no automatic re-attempts)21:57
Choomthat could be it then, I'm 3.5G covered everywhere where I live21:57
Neccwhere i live, i got 2.5G only21:57
VenemoNecc, Pecan is just crap21:58
Neccthe only one perfect application so far is X-fire for the situation, but it doesn't exist for N90021:58
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divodurumhey, what about openarena21:58
divodurumhwhere to get it for example21:58
Choomvodafone is stable enough here to use IRC over ssh without many issues21:59
NeccVenemo, MSN (all versions for telepathy), pidgin, aMSN, etc, all MSN app simply fails to work fully-automatized21:59
SpeedEvilChoom: Except battery.21:59
VenemoNecc, I see, but Butterfly works correctly on my laptop. so I assume that it has been fixed, and the N900 version is just too old21:59
Choomyeah, I can run out of battery in an afternoon's worth of excessive usage22:00
rm3lHi guys - Has anyone of you ever found a working solution on how to set up Google Apps as an Exchange account on N900? Thanks for sharing any experience!22:00
VenemoChoom, hehe, yeah22:00
MohammadAGI use Haze22:01
divodurumwhere can i download haze22:02
Macerrm3l: google apps?22:02
Venemodivodurum, extras-devel22:03
rm3lMacer: I mean, an existing Google Apps account!22:03
Macerrm3l: only way i was able to sync google was to use mail for exchange for contacts22:03
Macerimap for mail22:04
Neccthe only one 99.9% fix workaround to make MSN-telepathy work, is to install 2 different edition of MSN, and install "Automatic connection" and set up for example MSN (haze) to be connected when you are on 2G/3G, and connect to MSN(pecan) when you are connected to anything else network. So far, this work for me22:04
Macerand ermining for calendar22:04
Macerusing mail for exchange by itself didnt work well22:06
Neccbtw Venemo, did you noticed decreased accuracy when you use location service of telepathy?22:06
divodurumwhere can i dl pecan, lol22:06
VenemoNecc, I wasn't aware that telepathy has a location service22:06
rm3lMacer: Tried to do that, but I was wondering if one had ever used the ' Exchange' setup capability in N900 Settings!22:07
Venemodivodurum, extras or extras-devel22:07
Macerrm3l: it half works22:07
Macerif at all22:07
Neccthen whatever use "My location"22:07
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rm3lMacer: Anyway, thanks for the ideas - will try to do the same!22:07
VenemoNecc, ?22:07
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VenemoNecc, so far I've only tried ovi maps, but the GPS eats away the battery so quickly that I didn't find any normal use case for it22:09
VenemoNecc, I only use it when I'm completely lost22:09
Macerrm3l: it was the only way i was able to do it22:09
Maceri really wish mail for exchange worked fully with google22:10
Neccit uses network based positioning only, and you loose unnoticable usage time with it22:10
MacerVenemo: ovi is horrible22:10
Macerall maemo gps apps are horrible heh22:10
ChoomNecc: I repeat, that's not the experience I have with MSN (Pecan)22:11
Neccexcept sygic... it is somewhat-useable22:11
Venemoso, which GPS app is the best?22:11
Choomwhen the phone auto-switches from one network to the other, MSN stays down for like 10 seconds22:11
Choomand has never failed to reconnect back22:12
Macerovi maps22:12
NeccChoom, and if it timeouts at login, it stays at that state22:12
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ChoomNecc: the only case where it stays down (and that was a recent addition) is when I log in from elsewhere, and I actually like that behavior22:14
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ChoomNecc: as soon as I leave my home network and the phone auto-switches to mobile net it reconnects back22:14
divodurumis there any ms paint like application around?22:14
divodurumi have the mypaint but dont really like it22:15
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Venemodivodurum, sure: build-in "Sketch" app, mypaint, and penpen22:15
hiemanshuhow much do new N900s cost?22:15
divodurumcant get colors on penpen/sketch22:16
divodurummypaint seems to "lag" a bit22:16
divodurumi draw something and wait for it to appear on screen22:16
divodurumi got mine for 180€22:17
divodurumused one though22:17
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hiemanshudivodurum: how old?22:22
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VenemoI tried both butterfly and pecan... neither one accepts my password22:22
kerioLeague of Legends?22:23
Venemokerio :)22:23
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hiemanshuVenemo: I installed accounts-plugin-haze or something like that22:24
hiemanshuand everything works fine for me22:25
divodurum1 year old22:25
divodurumso 1 year warranty left22:25
hiemanshumine is like a month or so old22:25
hiemanshuI got it for $21022:25
divodurumive had this for only few days but seems to be in mint condition22:25
divodurumwow, nice22:26
hiemanshuI still need to get a microsd card for it22:26
divodurumwell, everything costs you shitloads in finland22:26
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Venemohiemanshu, microsd? what for? 32 GB isn't enough for ya?22:26
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divodurumyou installing nitroid or something?22:27
hiemanshuVenemo: I am going to try nitdroid, fedora, meego on it22:27
Venemodivodurum, me? nitdroid? NEVER!22:27
divodurumno that was meant for hueman22:27
divodurumhieman i mean22:28
Venemono problem22:28
Venemonitdroid is utter crap22:28
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divodurumanyways you can have both installed so i see no prob in that22:28
hiemanshuwell its fun because I want to see why everyone likes droid so much22:28
Venemookay, nor Butterfly, nor Haze, neither Pecan accepts my password22:29
divodurumtheres nice applications for android which could be worth a try22:29
divodurumif you have overclocked n900 and use nitroid for that android psx emulator you'll prolly get close to full speed22:29
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Venemooverclock? YUCK22:31
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Maceri am wondering if i should make the attempt to work on this cups stuff again22:32
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divodurumhey btw, i tried yoshis island on drnoksnes and clouldnt get it to start22:34
divodurumonly a black screen22:34
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VenemoI added my facebook account to my voip and IM accounts in my N90023:05
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Venemoit retrieves photos for my contacts, but all of them are extemely ugly low-res crap23:05
alecjwhi there, the card reader in my N900's died since i dropped it in the toilet. it does't show up at all in the file manager or in /dev. anyone know what might be worth trying?23:05
Venemoalecjw, warranty repair23:05
alecjwand my magnet isn't gone, although i'm starting to think maybe the magnetic sensor is23:05
SpeedEvilalecjw: How long did you leave it to dry with the batteyr out?23:06
alecjwVenemo: any more honest way of doing it? :P i doubt the warranty covers accidental damage23:06
Venemoalecjw, just don't tell them about the accident23:06
alecjwSpeedEvil: it was quite a while ago, so i don't really remember for sure. but i think it was about 24 hours. i sprayed the insides with IPA too just to make sure the last drops of water were gone23:07
SpeedEvilalecjw: I'd want to dry it for a bit more - thought the IPA is probably a good plan23:07
SpeedEvilThough IPA can kill some plastics23:08
jacekowskii killed my laptop screen that way23:08
jacekowskifront part of it was ok23:08
SpeedEvilThe SIM works?23:08
alecjwyeah, everything else works fine, it's just the SD card reader23:08
jacekowskibut somehow it got in between many layers deeper inside of lcd23:08
vldcnstn900 and water, starting to become a trend23:08
SpeedEvilAlso - was this a 'pre' or a 'post' toilet?23:09
alecjwthis happened months ago, at the time i gave up and just told myself i was an idiot and would have to live without an SD card reader23:09
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SpeedEvil'my magnet is gone' - you mean it thinks the back is off?23:09
SpeedEvilThen it will unmount the SD23:09
alecjwthe toilet hadn't been used since the last flush if that's what you mean :P23:09
* SpeedEvil parsed that wrong.23:10
alecjwthe magnet's there, i can see it behind the stand whatsit23:10
alecjwbut i'm starting to think the hall effect sensor or whatever it is might be gone23:10
alecjwthe fact that the SD card reader completely dissapeared from /dev rather than corrupting data and stuff seems to imply to me that it's something wrong with the sensor23:12
alecjwor is that a silly assumption?23:12
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SpeedEvilI'm tired - and not finding where the switch readout shoudl be in /sys23:14
SpeedEvilit's not in /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/ wehre I'd expect it23:15
alecjwooh its in /sys eh? i'll have a look23:15
alecjwor could /proc/acpi be worth trying?23:16
SpeedEvilIt's not a PC23:16
SpeedEvilno ACPI23:16
alecjwgood point23:16
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alecjwSpeedEvil: couldnt it be /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity?23:24
alecjwit always says open for me23:24
vldcnstalecjw: thats the front sensor23:24
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alecjwoh right23:24
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Venemoanyone tried the app called Hermes?23:27
hiemanshuis it possible to backup install of apps I have installed via apt-get and then reinstall them once I reflash23:27
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Venemohiemanshu, yes, use the app called Backup23:27
Venemohiemanshu, make with it a new backup and check the option to save the app list23:28
hiemanshuVenemo: ah cool23:28
* hiemanshu is a new user23:28
DocScrutinizer51hiemanshu: see my apt-get wrapper on wiki/user:joerg_rw/tools23:28
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DocScrutinizer51Venemo: might fail for apps installed via apt-get23:29
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer51: cool thanks23:29
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hiemanshuI installed multiboot and it screwed up kernel-power settings, the installation should actually search for it and use it23:30
hiemanshuinstead of the default kernel23:30
DocScrutinizer51see /topic23:30
DocScrutinizer51it's there for some reason ;-)23:31
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer51: I have seen it, but just a suggestion, if I knew deb packaging I could have done it23:31
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DocScrutinizer51hiemanshu: multiboot is fubar23:31
DocScrutinizer51by design23:32
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer51: what is suggested to be used then?23:32
alecjwSpeedEvil: thanks! i just tried it and it is working. i guess i've wrecked my card reader then23:33
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DocScrutinizer51a baseball bat to make nitridiot devels comply with uBoot23:33
alecjwdon't suppose anyone knows if nokia can check for water damage?23:33
DocScrutinizer51they can, believe me. But they may just not care23:34
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hiemanshuw00t, I managed to screw up my install :D23:35
hiemanshuso everytime I flash I have to flash both the eMMC and fiasco image?23:36
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DocScrutinizer51eMMC usually not needed23:37
SpeedEvilalecjw: As far as I see it - the power supply to the mmc just goes straight from the main power managment chip.23:38
SpeedEvilI'd wonder if a careful cleaning of the SD contacts - maybe bendin them out a hair - may help. Also - you have replaced the SD?23:39
divodurumso, hey23:39
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divodurumif i want a working msn client, what-a-do?23:39
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hiemanshudivodurum: accounts-plugin-haze or something like that23:41
hiemanshuthat works for me23:41
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Venemoyo DocScrutinizer51, how're you?23:44
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hiemanshuso what the best way to resize paritions? edit the flasher image?23:44
alecjwSpeedEvil: the card itself works fine, but i might try bending them out a bit. wouldnt the drive still show up in /dev and the file manager if there was no card in though?23:44
Venemohiemanshu, boot rescue initrd, enable usb host, then repartition using gparted or any tool of your choice23:45
hiemanshuVenemo: is there a guide?23:46
Venemohiemanshu, it is non-recommended for anyone without proper expertise23:46
Venemohiemanshu, I'm not aware of a guide, but MohammadAG once guided me through it23:46
hiemanshuVenemo: well I have linux expertise, and I am a fedora dev if it helps23:46
SpeedEvilalecjw: Don't remember23:46
Venemohiemanshu, that is nice :)23:47
Venemohiemanshu, in that case, see
Venemohiemanshu, boot this and enable its usb mass storage mode, and connect the N900 to your computer23:48
Venemohiemanshu, then unmount if your computer mounts it23:48
Venemohiemanshu, after this, launch gparted and do as you please23:48
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Venemohiemanshu, note that the N900 is _UNABLE TO CHARGE_ while running the rescue initrd23:48
hiemanshuVenemo: makes sense23:49
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hiemanshuI dont know what I rm -rf ed by mistake23:50
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Venemohiemanshu, also note that Maemo 5 has the partition list hard-coded, so if you want a new partition, put that to the end of the disk23:50
hiemanshubut all I see on my screen are boxes23:50
Venemohiemanshu, what did you do?23:50
hiemanshuVenemo: I dont know, I was removing some stuff from /home/23:50
hiemanshuI remove /home/opt by mistake :P23:51
Venemohiemanshu, oooops...23:51
hiemanshuVenemo: thats cool though, I just got this device and messing with it23:51
aziloti have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root.23:51
hiemanshuits a seconday phone, so that is never an issue23:51
Venemohiemanshu, for me it's primary :)23:52
hiemanshuVenemo: I have an iPhone as a primary phone23:52
Venemohiemanshu, lol23:52
hiemanshuwhich is basically because I need music23:52
hiemanshuand it works23:52
Venemohiemanshu, and N900 doesn't work? :P23:52
hiemanshuVenemo: I just got it23:52
hiemanshuVenemo: also well I game a lot23:52
hiemanshuwhile waiting for class to start and stuff, I game23:53
Venemohiemanshu, I recommend tuxrace on your N90023:53
hiemanshuso N900 doesn't do that really well23:53
hiemanshuVenemo: I will install it soon23:53
hiemanshuonce I get this running again, its charging right now23:53
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Venemohiemanshu, yeah, not too many games for Maemo 523:54
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Venemohiemanshu, I also recommend you my puzzle-master23:54
Venemohiemanshu, I've also packaged that for Fedora23:54
hiemanshuVenemo: oh nice, I should try it23:54
divodurumsure theres the emulators but tyou can get thm on iphone too23:54
hiemanshuI had just finished porting a couple of my desktop apps for the N90023:55
hiemanshuthey are in PyQt23:55
Venemowhich ones?23:55
hiemanshuVenemo: there is this xkcd game me and my friend made, it gives you alt text or a dialogue, and you choose the correct answer23:55
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hiemanshuall I did was change the dimension and reorganize it for 800x44023:56
Venemohiemanshu, nice :)23:57
hiemanshuand then there was the qr code generator23:57
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hiemanshuI need to fix the code though, I wrote this quite some time ago when I was learning to code Qt23:58
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: thanks, I'm fine :-)23:58
VenemoI don't know a thing about Python hiemanshu23:58
hiemanshuso there are some stuff I did in a stupid way, but well it works23:58
VenemoDocScrutinizer51, that's nice to hear :)23:58
hiemanshuVenemo: ah, C/C++?23:58
Venemohiemanshu, C/C++/C#/etc.23:59
hiemanshuI know a little of C / C++23:59
VenemoDocScrutinizer51, I'm fine too... I'm having a math exam tomorrow, I hope for the best :)23:59
hiemanshuand a fat ass C# book sitting here in front of me23:59
DocScrutinizer51good luck23:59

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