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| Khertan | Hello | 00:01 |
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| Scorcerer | hi | 00:01 |
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| Scorcerer | DocScrutinizer: all done, now to make ls aut-color everything like gentoo does | 00:02 |
| Scorcerer | :s/aut/auto | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:02 |
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| Khertan | Someone have access to maemo extras assistant ? Seems broken | 00:03 |
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| Khertan | i got file upload error each time i try to upload a .changes filre | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | # You may uncomment the following lines if you want `ls' to be colorized: | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: check queue if somebody else started some build lately | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: that might indicate this user managed to upload | 00:05 |
| Khertan | queue is empty | 00:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer can't imagine this to happen when there's no problem with upload ;-D | 00:06 | |
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| alterego | Nokia really need better graphics designers | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh | 00:08 |
| Khertan | Tue May 31 01:12:47 EEST 2011 date of last build of the autobuilder | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | pester X-Fade ? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to me he's the only one known to have the powers to do sth about it (much to my concern about how to handle such things, there should be at very least one proxy) | 00:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer takes mental not to sort out exactly same issue for OM infra | 00:11 | |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer : there is many things that should be fixed on autobuilder | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/not /note / | 00:11 |
| mece | ´o | 00:11 |
| mece | I mean \o | 00:11 |
| Khertan | but why bother to do it for a dead plateform. | 00:12 |
| keks-n | Please, help me to set up uboot. I cann't figure out why it doesn't boot maemo's kernel | 00:12 |
| keks-n | There are modules for it | 00:12 |
| Scorcerer | DocScrutinizer: works like a charm now :) | 00:12 |
| keks-n | And it boots without u-boot | 00:12 |
| Khertan | obs is the way to go (or not to go) for MeeGo | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | glad to hear : | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | )) | 00:12 |
| keks-n | BTW, is there _any_ configuration files for it? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: you installed e.g the powerkernel46-uboot pkg? | 00:13 |
| keks-n | uboot-power | 00:13 |
| Khertan | X-fade : i always get file upload error while uploading .changes on Maemo Extras Assistant ? Can you check what happen please. Thx | 00:14 |
| keks-n | http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/ | 00:14 |
| keks-n | This one | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: alas this "crippled" version of uBoot doesn't use env, so no there's no live config | 00:14 |
| keks-n | So, how I can tell him what to boot? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | boottime | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | compiletime | 00:15 |
| keks-n | oh wow | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hardcoded | 00:15 |
| * mece is doing some drunk debugging. Always a good idea. | 00:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you set up your uBoot menu in any config file at compiletime | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think the pkg mentioned above comes with 2..4 boot options, like maemo/meego-from-uSD/meego-from-eMMC/dunno | 00:16 |
| keks-n | hm | 00:17 |
| keks-n | But I don't see any menus | 00:17 |
| keks-n | Just Nokia logo | 00:17 |
| keks-n | And then black screen and poweroff | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | proper fully fledged uBoot has a set of cmds to setup and save env vars that define the menu | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | open your kbd slide | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | to make uboot menu show up | 00:18 |
| keks-n | It's already opened | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | then sth went wrong | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I'm wrong ;-) | 00:18 |
| keks-n | Setting up uboot-power (0.2-1) ... | 00:19 |
| keks-n | initctl: Job not changed: softupd | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Version 0.4.4 started | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Waiting for messages | 00:19 |
| keks-n | flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010) | 00:19 |
| keks-n | 00:19 | |
| keks-n | Image 'kernel', size 2006 kB | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Using flashing protocol Mk II. | 00:19 |
| keks-n | ISI message from new source (10, 00) | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Entering update mode | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Beginning image update | 00:19 |
| keks-n | nand: Finishing % 0 / 2006 kB] | 00:19 |
| keks-n | nand: Flashing kernel image | 00:19 |
| Khertan | i think it was the thing near the camera | 00:19 |
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| keks-n | Slide is opened | 00:19 |
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| keks-n | And I see just Nokia logo -_- | 00:19 |
| keks-n | Will try to install uboot-pr13 | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you wait until nand: Flashing kernel image finished? | 00:20 |
| keks-n | I've waited about 6 sec after apt-get finished | 00:20 |
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| keks-n | Will now try to flash it from desktop | 00:20 |
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| keks-n | # flasher-3.5 -F kernel-power-46-uboot.fiasco -f -b | 00:22 |
| keks-n | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 00:22 |
| keks-n | 00:22 | |
| keks-n | Image 'kernel', size 2006 kB | 00:22 |
| keks-n | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 038. | 00:22 |
| keks-n | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 | 00:22 |
| keks-n | NOLO version 1.4.14 | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: uboot-power obviously needs an installed powerkernel (or those modules at least) I'd guess | 00:22 |
| keks-n | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 00:22 |
| keks-n | Sending kernel image (2006 kB)... | 00:22 |
| keks-n | 100% (2006 of 2006 kB, avg. 23066 kB/s) | 00:22 |
| keks-n | Flashing kernel... done. | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing kernel...done. sounds better | 00:22 |
| keks-n | The package has it listed in it's dependencies | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, ubot-power works just fine here | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problems neither with install nor with invocation | 00:23 |
| keks-n | I'll try to install uboot-pr13 | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | installed via HAM!! | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's known to "fail" via apt-get | 00:24 |
| keks-n | Hm | 00:25 |
| mece | hey, should I do a separate thing in qt .pro file for every different sized icon to get this thing working properly? | 00:25 |
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| keks-n | I've disabled HAM because it eats my GPRS-trffic | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: what *exactly* did you do to install uboot-power? | 00:27 |
| keks-n | aptitude install uboot-power | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and before? | 00:27 |
| keks-n | Removed multiboot and kernel-power | 00:28 |
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| keks-n | kernel-power was in version 47 | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, you're supposed to run this as root, no? | 00:28 |
| keks-n | Yep | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you used "root"? | 00:28 |
| keks-n | I've used sshd | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhmmmmmmmm | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh root@n900 ? | 00:29 |
| keks-n | yep | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | fail | 00:29 |
| keks-n | wut? | 00:29 |
| keks-n | locale problems? | 00:29 |
| keks-n | kernel-power-flasher works perfectrly in this way | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel-power tries to raise a notifier. It needs access to user's session-dbus | 00:30 |
| keks-n | Hm | 00:30 |
| keks-n | I see the notify from kernel-power-flasher | 00:30 |
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| keks-n | With a lot of text and buttons | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it will run via apt etc when run in a sudo gainroot environment | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but not in a real root environment | 00:31 |
| keks-n | hm | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway you need to accept that requester as well, otherwise install fails | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | best practice: use HAM to isntall it | 00:32 |
| keks-n | uboot-power doesn't ask anything | 00:32 |
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| keks-n | just flashes the kernel | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: it's not like I did 55 uboot-power installs to evaluate it, I'm just quoting things I heard eventually | 00:33 |
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| keks-n | At least I see "image flashed successfully" | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I know I installed uboot-power via HAM without problems | 00:34 |
| keks-n | WOW | 00:34 |
| keks-n | uboot-pr13 works fine | 00:34 |
| keks-n | I see menu and then it boots the original kernel | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here, with uboot-power | 00:35 |
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| keks-n | BTW, I can boot any kernel with U-Boot, right? | 00:39 |
| keks-n | And just have a menu item for kernel-power | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | basicaly yes, though the one packaged together with uboot has to fit into the nand partition | 00:39 |
| keks-n | Hm | 00:40 |
| keks-n | If I write kernel-power into initfs partition | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | uboot default is to load the adjacent kernel from same partition | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work | 00:40 |
| keks-n | hm | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then you also need the OS rootfs on the matching location | 00:41 |
| keks-n | Now I just want to boot at least kernel-power | 00:41 |
| keks-n | If it doesn't boot when packaged with u-boot | 00:42 |
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| keks-n | I'll boot it from initfs | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the menu entry of "standard" uboot is "kernel=<somewhere_on_uSD> rootfs=<somewhere_else_on_uSD>" | 00:42 |
| keks-n | Hm | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the maemo entry is "kernel=<adjacent> rootfs=mtd4(?)>" | 00:43 |
| keks-n | I have to convert it to uImage, right? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB uboot-power doesn't offer an alternative powerkernel in addition to stock maemo kernel. It replaces stock with powerkernel | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically allows to either boot maemo+powerkernel fron NAND, or meego+meegokernel from uSD | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of any method that allows choosing between stock maemo and pk-maemo | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it would be really interesting to clone maemo from NAND to uSD | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I planned to do that, for one weekend a year ago. But forgot about it ... | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't be *too* hard | 00:47 |
| keks-n | Looks like that this version supports only two kernels | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | there shouldn't be too much hardlinked_to_NAND stuff | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | all usual uBoot version only support 2 kernels | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 kernel-locations to be precise | 00:49 |
| keks-n | I just want to boot ubuntu + nitdroid + kernel-power | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND, and uSD | 00:49 |
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| mece | andre__, ping | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck with booting nitdroid - should have been done since ages | 00:49 |
| keks-n | Also "source" package comes without any sources | 00:49 |
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| andre__ | mece, pong | 00:50 |
| keks-n | Just binaries | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: :-/ | 00:50 |
| keks-n | -_- | 00:50 |
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| mece | andre__, hi, can I get a bugtracker for tweedsuit on bugs.maemo.org? | 00:50 |
| Zaakmmm | hey, when i do lock screen and keyboard and then unlock my screen it doesnt ask for my pin. Anyone know how i can set it so it does? | 00:51 |
| keks-n | >>U-Boot loads | 00:51 |
| keks-n | first, stores the environment, and then checks for boot files on the SD card, if | 00:51 |
| keks-n | present. If the bootfiles are not found, it will instead load the appended kernel | 00:51 |
| keks-n | image. This should in theory be totally transparent. | 00:51 |
| keks-n | hm | 00:51 |
| Zaakmmm | Like autolock instantly rather than lowest setting being five minutes. | 00:51 |
| keks-n | It looks for config, right? | 00:51 |
| andre__ | mece, sure. drop me an email with some info: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: if you manage to boot nitdroid via uBoot, then PRETTY PLEASE go to nitdroid folks and teach them how to do it, and prod them to bin multiboot in favour of uBoot | 00:52 |
| keks-n | I had an idea about using my own kernel+initramfs | 00:53 |
| keks-n | And then just kexec | 00:53 |
| keks-n | But it looks like that kexec is broken on our devices | 00:53 |
| keks-n | Even in 2.6.35 | 00:53 |
| javispedro | no one seems to care since uboot happened | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, kexec is borked | 00:54 |
| javispedro | well, I care, but I hardly do any kernel work these days... | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! :-) | 00:54 |
| keks-n | Is _any_ kernel capable of kexec? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 00:55 |
| * javispedro likes appearing from under the shadows | 00:55 | |
| keks-n | Tried one from Ubuntu | 00:55 |
| keks-n | Boots fine, loads initramfs | 00:55 |
| javispedro | keks-n: since pr1.3 all of them are capable. wheter you can boot into a determined state is an unknown. | 00:55 |
| javispedro | determined as in deterministic | 00:56 |
| keks-n | Hm | 00:56 |
| * javispedro 'd blame sgx | 00:56 | |
| keks-n | I'll try again and see what happens when I do kexec in the same kernel | 00:57 |
| javispedro | normal stock n900 still fails to boot one of every 30-60 boots for virtually no reason other than sgx being improperly reset. | 00:57 |
| keks-n | BTW, what if I use the kernel from Ubuntu to run Maemo or vice versa? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sample size? | 00:57 |
| keks-n | Why they are incompatable? | 00:58 |
| javispedro | lcuk: small :) | 00:58 |
| Zaakmmm | Anyone have any idea? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | my larger sample size does not experience boot problems | 00:58 |
| lcuk | and I would notice such things. | 00:58 |
| keks-n | >>CONFIG_CMDLINE="nit=/sbin/preinit... | 00:58 |
| lolcat | I have figured out how to fix microb | 00:59 |
| lolcat | Put the temp files in tempfs | 00:59 |
| keks-n | Looks like that I did something wrong while compiling the kernel -_- | 00:59 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: it is usually manifested as general slowness and some missed frames, and happens usually only after a cold boot | 00:59 |
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| javispedro | not a "failed boot" in the common sense, just some sgx initialization done the wrong way | 01:00 |
| lcuk | javispedro, self rectifying? | 01:00 |
| javispedro | nope | 01:00 |
| lcuk | or persist until next reboot? | 01:00 |
| javispedro | the latter. | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | the ideapad keyboard glows in the colour of the ui in liqbase | 01:03 |
| javispedro | hehe | 01:03 |
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| * javispedro ponders what to answer to a guy asking which would be the best cs degree for "learning PHP" | 01:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Get a book, and save the cash. | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, http://liqbase.net/20110531_007.jpg | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | nice effect | 01:06 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I am going to use your answer actually. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | i was thinking the same | 01:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Actually - I change my answer to 'man php' | 01:07 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: first one will do OK -- I am still pondering wheter this is a troll that has just read the recent slashdot stories or a genuine... "naive person". | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, I made a few tweaks recently to liqbase | 01:09 |
| lcuk | i have restored edit funcionality in the graffiti wall | 01:09 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | and and found out multiselect tagging is as addictive as I recall | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | s/and and/and/ | 01:11 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: and found out multiselect tagging is as addictive as I recall | 01:11 |
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| javispedro | "multiselect tagging"? | 01:12 |
| javispedro | ah | 01:12 |
| javispedro | multiple option tagging | 01:12 |
| javispedro | =) | 01:12 |
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| keks-n | Hm. I have an opinion that the kernel needs cmdline when using kexec | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable | 01:14 |
| javispedro | sounds like a bug | 01:14 |
| javispedro | cmdline should be builtin | 01:14 |
| keks-n | kexec may override it with an empty one | 01:15 |
| javispedro | if kexec is discarding it is because it might pass some garbage for cmdline when you don't specify one | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and then some little man in my head wispers "atag" | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what he's all about | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I don't even know what atag might be | 01:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's your alter ego, kernel hacker DocS | 01:17 |
| Funnyface | I'm running a samba server on my N900 transferring files over wifi, but I only get speeds of like 346k/s, what could be the bottleneck? | 01:18 |
| cehteh | got my otterbox today | 01:18 |
| Funnyface | my wifi is capable of at least 2.3MB/s | 01:18 |
| cehteh | no hole for the handstrap ... duh :P | 01:18 |
| Funnyface | and it's not CPU load | 01:18 |
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| mece | andre__, I don't actually see an email address there | 01:19 |
| javispedro | Funnyface: where did you get that samba from? | 01:19 |
| Funnyface | was some package in extras-devel | 01:20 |
| javispedro | ah :P | 01:20 |
| javispedro | hm. | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: flash read speed? | 01:20 |
| javispedro | nah, it must be something about smb itself | 01:20 |
| javispedro | I get 1MiB/s usually | 01:20 |
| keks-n | It doesn't even show me tty | 01:21 |
| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: don't think so, I'm transferring to the device's internal memory which easilly does 20MB/s++ with USB cable | 01:21 |
| javispedro | but this is my 3.0.xx build, same as n8x0 had, which is the only one that has a binary that is less than tens of mibs | 01:21 |
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| keks-n | The fine thing - kexec works perfectly under QEmu | 01:21 |
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| andre__ | mece, "Send an email to the bugzilla address mentioned at the bottom of every page in maemo.org Bugzilla ("Questions about bugzilla")." | 01:22 |
| andre__ | see the bottom of that page | 01:22 |
| keks-n | wow | 01:22 |
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| keks-n | something appeared | 01:22 |
| Funnyface | javispedro: something you put together yourself then? | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: PSM on WLAN? | 01:22 |
| Funnyface | WLAN | 01:23 |
| javispedro | Funnyface: try using ssh | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | set PSM to off | 01:23 |
| javispedro | Funnyface: to discard a wlan settings problem | 01:23 |
| mece | andre__, hah ok thanks *bonk self* | 01:23 |
| andre__ | hehe | 01:23 |
| Funnyface | ah sorry misread.. I can try having a look at it | 01:24 |
| Funnyface | PSM = power saving mode I get it :P | 01:24 |
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| keks-n | Wow | 01:25 |
| keks-n | I managed to run nitdroid kernel | 01:26 |
| keks-n | via kexec | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 01:26 |
| keks-n | But it fails | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | now make Easy Nitdroid and get rid of multiboot | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | /o\ | 01:27 |
| keks-n | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer | 01:27 |
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| keks-n | at address 0x00000000 | 01:27 |
| keks-n | wtf | 01:27 |
| keks-n | but at least I see it's tty | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | keks-n: I've been telling you, the state it boots on is random | 01:29 |
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| keks-n | It's stable, lol | 01:29 |
| javispedro | with meego, it might boot, then hang in xorg. or deadlock in the first process it's run. | 01:29 |
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| keks-n | I get this error every time when I try to exec Nitdroid | 01:30 |
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| javispedro | because you're not even getting as far as running init.. | 01:30 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how stable Linux 3.0 is... | 01:31 | |
| javispedro | btw, nokia is tanking already: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/31/nokia-shares-dive-profit-warning | 01:31 |
| cehteh | anyone surprised by that? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | elop? | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's really just 2.6.40 | 01:32 |
| mece | andre__, srsly, this might be the alcohol talking but I'm not finding the Questions about bugzilla on this page: https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 01:32 |
| cehteh | haha yes i've forgot | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: There is nothing major architechturally about it. | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, doubt it, think it was planned | 01:32 |
| andre__ | mece, argh, maybe that's obsolete by the update to 3.4... might not be your fault :) let me check | 01:32 |
| cehteh | meanwhile its time for another direction change at nokia .. hey the last one is more than one quarter ago! | 01:33 |
| andre__ | mece, yeah, no good. let me fix the wikipage. | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I see | 01:33 |
| mece | andre__, well might also be me. I happen to be a tiny bit tipsy due to a work celebration thing. | 01:33 |
| mece | andre__, ah ok, thanks :) | 01:33 |
| keks-n | Looks like that I have to move back to multiboot | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any reason they skipped 3 major version and some thousand subversions? | 01:33 |
| javispedro | keks-n: did you research why they do not use uboot? | 01:34 |
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| keks-n | I can get it working even with kernel-power | 01:34 |
| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer and javispedro: turning off PSM made it a little better :) | 01:35 |
| Funnyface | getting 550k/s now instead of 330 | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: The king penguin wanted to. | 01:36 |
| keks-n | s/can/cann't/ | 01:36 |
| infobot | keks-n meant: I cann't get it working even with kernel-power | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Also - 20 years | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | keks-n: obviously. android needs its own kernel.... but why such kernel cannot be booted with uboot. | 01:38 |
| andre__ | mece, fixed | 01:38 |
| keks-n | I cann't get uboot-power working -_- | 01:38 |
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| keks-n | BTW how can I safely flash an image? | 01:41 |
| keks-n | From device | 01:42 |
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| MohammadAG | define safe | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | an image of what | 01:42 |
| keks-n | kernel | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Why from device? | 01:42 |
| keks-n | dd if=zImage of=/dev/mtd4 looks risky | 01:42 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaargh. | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You can use flasher | 01:42 |
| keks-n | I'm trying to run ubuntu with multiboot now | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | softupd -vv --local & | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | flasher -k image -f --local | 01:43 |
| keks-n | thanks | 01:43 |
| keks-n | Does it needs something else? | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | a reboot | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:44 |
| keks-n | I. e. is it possible to call it from init? | 01:44 |
| mece | andre__, mail sent | 01:44 |
| keks-n | Ubuntu looks incompatable with multiboot's boot sequence | 01:44 |
| andre__ | mece, and received. will handle it tomorrow | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: calling it from init is almost close to multiboot | 01:48 |
| mece | okay. could you tell me an url to a bugtracker already? I'd like to publish an update that has the correct link? | 01:48 |
| keks-n | >>calling it from init is almost close to multiboot | 01:48 |
| keks-n | I have no choice now | 01:48 |
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| keks-n | BTF why Maemo says that sdcard is incompatable? | 01:49 |
| keks-n | It has an vfat file system on the first partition | 01:50 |
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| keks-n | what the... | 01:53 |
| keks-n | kernel-power doesn't boot with multiboot now -_- | 01:53 |
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| ioan | hi. is there any way to enable the "dialing pad" in google talk? | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | keks-n: read the topic | 01:54 |
| keks-n | lol | 01:55 |
| javispedro | ioan: what you mean, emit dtmf tones while on a gtalk call or dial a random contact? | 01:55 |
| ioan | emit dtmf | 01:55 |
| andre__ | mece, for filing a ticket it would be https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=TweedSuit | 01:56 |
| mece | andre__, thank you very much :) | 01:56 |
| andre__ | np | 01:57 |
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| ioan | while in google talk call, if I try to open the dialing pad, I get "call doesn't support dtmf tones". Can I enable it anyway and send tones? How? | 01:58 |
| ioan | :-) | 01:58 |
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| luke-jr | someone needs to make elastic eink or LCD, so you can stretch out a handheld/phone to become a tablet without carrying the bulk around | 02:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Imagine the n900. | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: long time no see :-D | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | But with where the top quarter was - a roll of screen that you could unroll. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sorry, I hold the patent for that ;-) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and eink by itself is basicaly flexible | 02:06 |
| keks-n | What the | 02:06 |
| keks-n | I've wrote CONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/ubuntuinit in the config | 02:06 |
| keks-n | But it still uses /sbin/preinit | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer ☺ | 02:07 |
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| Macer | well | 02:14 |
| Macer | after using my n900 with maemo for over 3 weeks then using my g2 today | 02:14 |
| Macer | i think i am going to sell my g2 | 02:14 |
| ioan | what's the gconftool-2 key for gtalk settings? | 02:14 |
| cehteh | can the camera chip detoriate or is it a firmware bug when images have a reddish hue in the center? | 02:16 |
| cehteh | (its not my illumination of the red led) | 02:16 |
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| cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/rY3Nh.jpg | 02:19 |
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| mece | Macer, what's a G2? | 02:22 |
| cehteh | android phone | 02:22 |
| Macer | htc vision | 02:23 |
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| keks-n | >>Unable to get SU_PARAM_PRODUCT_CODE | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: weird | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you placed it facing to the sun with open lens cover, or sth? | 02:25 |
| cehteh | happens in brighter light situations | 02:25 |
| keks-n | Why the flasher doesn't work? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Most camera chips say 'don't make it stare at the sin' | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | sun | 02:25 |
| cehteh | eventually i photographed towards the sun a few times but never for long time | 02:25 |
| cehteh | well | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 02:26 |
| cehteh | sunburn | 02:26 |
| * cehteh applies some sun lotion to it | 02:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | might as well be some sort of bleeding or sth | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor | 02:26 |
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| keks-n | I've dd'ed the kernel to /dev/mtd3 | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Se the datasheet - I've not looked at it for sun | 02:27 |
| keks-n | And now it doesn't boot | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - clean the sensor. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: test it on a uniform white surface, with different illumination brightness | 02:27 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: same results then | 02:27 |
| cehteh | i just dont have a bright white surface here at night | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | lies, you're using a monitor to look at your IRC client | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it shouldn't change with brightness when it's some sort of deterioration | 02:28 |
| cehteh | the sensor shouldnt become dirty .. its not exposed normally or? .. i never disassembled it | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I mean the window | 02:28 |
| cehteh | thats not the sensor :) | 02:28 |
| cehteh | well yes i cleaned it | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed, that's what I thought as well | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I know - I have a migraine at the moment. | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to disassemble device and clean the window glass and sensor lens | 02:29 |
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| cehteh | it looks pretty clean, disassembling will prolly worsen it | 02:30 |
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| * cehteh shoot a white sheet of paper | 02:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you maybe can't tell things like nicotine condensation on the inside | 02:30 |
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| cehteh | http://imgur.com/rs1g7 | 02:31 |
| cehteh | i dont smoke | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't even tell that easily that N900 front plastic actually isn't 100% transparent | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw a major design flaw for the unsensitive frontcam) | 02:32 |
| cehteh | i know | 02:33 |
| cehteh | see the image above .. maybe enhance contrast a bit | 02:33 |
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| cehteh | at darker light its a green tint in the middle with a pink halo | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know about the artifacts that are created by the silver frame around lens when using flashlight? I wouldn't be surprised to see same for the blue plastic of slider on bright sunlight | 02:34 |
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| cehteh | yes but that looks differently, coming only from one side and not in the center | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:35 |
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| MohammadAG | nicotine in the N900? | 02:35 |
| cehteh | besides i painted the blue rim black | 02:35 |
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| MohammadAG | that's new :p | 02:36 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do you explain bright spots on the screen? | 02:37 |
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| MohammadAG | a friend of mine got them on his N900, probably from dropping it too much | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: disturbing the diffusor layers? | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | my router's signal is 3/10 in the same room :/ | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's an effect where LCD displays get spots when applying too much pressure so electrode surface structure gets destroyed | 02:38 |
| cehteh | well that doesnt explain my sunburn problem :P | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | so the only fix is screen replacement right? | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, your N900 got sunburnt? | 02:39 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: my cam .. see photos above | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | direct link? I hate photo sites on the N900 | 02:41 |
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| cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/rs1g7.jpg | 02:41 |
| cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/rY3Nh.jpg | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | sepia-ish | 02:42 |
| cehteh | well yes | 02:42 |
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| MohammadAG | that grass is supposed to be green eh? | 02:43 |
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| Choom | that's quite interesting | 02:43 |
| cehteh | i didnt know that it is *that* sensitive to sunlight and easily damaged | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, lots of noise on the right | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | that shouldn't happen | 02:43 |
| Choom | I've always wondering what a sun burnt camera would be like | 02:43 |
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| Choom | wondered* | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, change the outer lens I guess | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | or disassemble the N900 and take a pic | 02:44 |
| cehteh | well keep it as is, or replace the camera | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The canera is repaceable. | 02:44 |
| cehteh | i know | 02:44 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it could be the outer plastic | 02:45 |
| cehteh | but for a end user its prolly not easy/cheap to order would prolly cost me 40+ Eur with shipping and all | 02:45 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: the plastic is fine | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I forget where you are. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: not EU? | 02:45 |
| cehteh | yes EU | 02:46 |
| cehteh | germany | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Should have 2 year warranty | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | Only the EU uses the € afaik :p | 02:46 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder why Nokia wasted three keys for £$€ | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | | would've been better imo | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I want shift-blue to work | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | That gives you another 25 keys or so right there | 02:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shift-blue-sym too - in principle - though that would probably be overkill | 02:49 |
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| mr_jrt | Agreed. | 02:51 |
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| cehteh | you can configure that :) | 02:51 |
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| cehteh | ah no .. blue/function key isnt a normal modifier right? | 02:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think so | 02:52 |
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| cehteh | btw is there any mention about "dont point directly into the sun" in the nokia manual? .. maybe i just try a warranty repai | 02:57 |
| cehteh | are | 02:57 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | I noticed that the IRC log dutifully posted the password! | 03:10 |
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| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1019826#post1019826 I lold | 03:11 |
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| cehteh | NIN101: haha | 03:12 |
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| cehteh | someone kick that kid in the nuts | 03:13 |
| timeless_xchat | hello from Toronto | 03:13 |
| cehteh | GonzoTheGreat_: loggers are great, aren't they? :) | 03:13 |
| cehteh | now you dont need to remember your passwords anymore, the intarnetz do that for you! | 03:14 |
| cehteh | hi timeless | 03:14 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | I should set up some spoof account somewhere with the username and password and see who is biting. | 03:14 |
| timeless_xchat | hi cehteh | 03:15 |
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| * timeless_xchat needs to unpair a dead phone from facebook | 03:15 | |
| cehteh | unpair? | 03:16 |
| timeless_xchat | you can lock a facebook account to a bunch of phones | 03:16 |
| cehteh | ah | 03:16 |
| cehteh | i never used facebook | 03:16 |
| timeless_xchat | and when you try to log in from an unrecognized device, it'll send an sms challenge | 03:16 |
| timeless_xchat | w/o that info you can't log in | 03:17 |
| cehteh | if you dont need that dead phone anymore, send me the camera module please :P | 03:17 |
| timeless_xchat | dead phone number technically | 03:17 |
| cehteh | damn | 03:17 |
| timeless_xchat | if you want the sim, i can send it somewhere | 03:17 |
| timeless_xchat | but it was only good for 15 days | 03:17 |
| cehteh | i should head out for a damaged n900 to scrap it for spare parts :) | 03:17 |
| cehteh | my cam got sunburn | 03:18 |
| timeless_xchat | it should work for keeping your classic symbian phone from refusing to exit offline mode | 03:18 |
| cehteh | well i was lamenting earlier about that .. better i work something else now | 03:18 |
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| timeless_xchat | anyway, i'm using Wind here in Toronto | 03:18 |
| timeless_xchat | they're relatively good - when compared to Canadian providers | 03:19 |
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| timeless_xchat | unlimited internet (10cad/mo) has a certain bandwidth limit, you pay an extra 10/mo for 7.4mbit ("tethering") | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Not bad at all | 03:25 |
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| timeless_xchat | i'm skipping the tethering fee for now | 03:27 |
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| timeless_xchat | and taking a 10/mo fee to call/msg usa | 03:27 |
| timeless_xchat | w/ a reasonable base of 25/mo | 03:28 |
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| timeless_xchat | most canadian plans w/ data end up running 100/mo | 03:29 |
| timeless_xchat | w/ 5gb data caps | 03:29 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, how do you do that phone + facebook thing? | 03:36 |
| * MohammadAG never noticed it, I only have to enter the new device's name | 03:36 | |
| MohammadAG | nvm, found it | 03:38 |
| timeless_xchat | :) | 03:38 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, what if I lose my phone number and cookies? | 03:40 |
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| timeless_xchat | there is a recovery protocol | 03:43 |
| timeless_xchat | you set up an emergency phone number | 03:44 |
| timeless_xchat | but... try not to lose your cookies :) | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, what if I can't find any phone :P | 03:44 |
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| timeless_xchat | the emergency phone shouldn't be yours... | 03:46 |
| timeless_xchat | if you're on facebook, surely you have friends! :) | 03:47 |
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| wblaze | timeless_xchat: <3 wind. | 03:49 |
| wblaze | been with them since last year, they've been great | 03:50 |
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| wblaze | network coverage isn't great, but the price and service more than make up for that since I'm not out of the GTA enough to worry about roaming | 03:51 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 03:53 |
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| timeless_xchat | wblaze: where are you? (geoping) | 03:57 |
| wblaze | Mississauga | 03:57 |
| timeless_xchat | yeah, it reminds me of Cingular wireless around 2001 | 03:57 |
| timeless_xchat | wblaze: i'll be there starting Tuesday | 03:58 |
| wblaze | yes! I made the same comparison with Cingular | 03:58 |
| wblaze | hopefully Wind doesn't get bought out by one of the big three, like they did. | 03:58 |
| timeless_xchat | yeah ... | 03:58 |
| wblaze | moving, or visiting? | 03:59 |
| timeless_xchat | atm Canada has a bunch of upstarts | 03:59 |
| timeless_xchat | working | 03:59 |
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| timeless_xchat | i'll live in downtown | 03:59 |
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| timeless_xchat | i'm @The Element | 03:59 |
| timeless_xchat | actually, i'm eating @fresh (on Spadina ?) | 04:00 |
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| timeless_xchat | I need to pick up a Bike and find a bike route out to Mississauga ... | 04:01 |
| wblaze | I'm still learning the area, myself | 04:02 |
| wblaze | otherwise I'd offer to help | 04:02 |
| timeless_xchat | when did you arrive? | 04:03 |
| * timeless_xchat should also try to see about picking up Jays tickets | 04:04 | |
| wblaze | end of october | 04:04 |
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| timeless_xchat | 7 months? | 04:09 |
| wblaze | so far | 04:10 |
| timeless_xchat | so.. where would you go shopping for things? | 04:11 |
| * timeless_xchat needs a shaver | 04:11 | |
| wblaze | shoppers or walmart, usually | 04:11 |
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| * timeless_xchat should look up how the bike rentals work | 04:12 | |
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| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, congrats on arriving in one piece. | 04:12 |
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| timeless_xchat | gan900: thanks | 04:12 |
| timeless_xchat | oh right, i need to call TD bank and fix up telephone banking + paypal.ca | 04:13 |
| wblaze | unless you're looking for a good straight razor, in which case i have no idea other than pointing you towards Yorkdale or Square One | 04:13 |
| * timeless_xchat is walking along Spadina @King | 04:13 | |
| timeless_xchat | electric | 04:14 |
| timeless_xchat | my last was a Braun | 04:14 |
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| GAN900 | Panasonic | 04:15 |
| GAN900 | ES-LA93K | 04:15 |
| GAN900 | There's an EPP deal you can get. | 04:15 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm not so worried about models | 04:15 |
| timeless_xchat | epp? | 04:15 |
| timeless_xchat | more about ease of acquisition | 04:15 |
| wblaze | malls would be my only suggestion, mostly because i gave up on electrics at least 8 years ago | 04:15 |
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| timeless_xchat | btw, women here look much nicer than in HEL and they're friendlier too | 04:16 |
| wblaze | everybody is friendler in canada | 04:17 |
| timeless_xchat | yep | 04:18 |
| timeless_xchat | any tourist suggestions for a Wednesday? | 04:19 |
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| wblaze | CN Tower or Center Island would be my rather obvious suggestions | 04:20 |
| * timeless_xchat just snapped some pictures of the former | 04:21 | |
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| timeless_xchat | i think cycling around the latter is in order | 04:21 |
| wblaze | sounds fun | 04:22 |
| wblaze | the parks off lakeshore are nice as well | 04:22 |
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| timeless_xchat | i need to try cycling from the skydome to mississauga | 04:25 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm hoping i can do it in around an hour | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo timeless_xchat | 04:25 |
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| timeless_xchat | hi docscrutinizer | 04:26 |
| wblaze | shouldnt be too hard to manage | 04:26 |
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| wblaze | pay attention to traffic signs/aignals though | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: there were spare cam modules on sale | 04:27 |
| wblaze | cops can be a pain in the ass to cyclists | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | "cheap" | 04:27 |
| ebzzry | Hi! What happens first, running of the items in /etc/event.d or mounting home? | 04:27 |
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| wblaze | ebzzry: should be filesystem mounting, but i could be horribly mistaken assuming the boot order is sane | 04:28 |
| timeless_xchat | gan900, try loading http://search.toronto.ca/search?sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=Toronto&proxystylesheet=Toronto&site=TorontoWebsite&q=bike | 04:28 |
| ebzzry | wblaze: hmm | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 04:30 |
| infobot | from memory, xyawn is nap | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | blah | 04:31 |
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| timeless_xchat | ok, path is roughly 22km (80mins) | 04:36 |
| timeless_xchat | about double optimal time via transit | 04:37 |
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| * timeless_xchat investigates "shoppers" | 04:37 | |
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| timeless_xchat | gan900 : so this place has braun, philips and "toni&guy" | 04:40 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: where? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ownta? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls... | 04:40 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, only have experience with Panasonic. | 04:41 |
| GAN900 | Though a couple of my friends use and enjoy Brauns. | 04:41 |
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| cehteh | note to myself: next phone cam with a real shutter please | 04:42 |
| cehteh | (any phone exists with a real shutter cam?) | 04:42 |
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| timeless_xchat | https://panasonic.ca/english/personalhealth/mensgrooming/ESLA93.asp ? | 04:42 |
| cehteh | Illuminated, blue LCD | 04:43 |
| cehteh | whaha | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4767_Original-Nokia-N900-CAMERA-Module-5-Megapixel.html | 04:44 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 04:44 |
| cehteh | thanks | 04:44 |
| cehteh | guess i wait until mine fails more | 04:44 |
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| cehteh | 40 eur isnt it worth yet | 04:44 |
| cehteh | maybe i put it a daylong into sunlight then all dyes fade away and i have a nice b/w cam with 4 times resolution :P | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd think the cam driver (firmware?) should have a muladd static compensation | 04:47 |
| timeless_xchat | i'll go for something cheap for now and fix it later | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even a gamma compensation frame | 04:47 |
| cehteh | prolly yes .. since i have this sunburn it pumps in color when using it in viewfinder mode | 04:47 |
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| cehteh | so maybe its even more damaged than i see | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so possibly this compensation got nulled | 04:48 |
| cehteh | can try a raw pic with bless900 .. but i dont really know how raw that is | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not THAT raw | 04:49 |
| cehteh | what really scares me, i checked recent photos and it happend really fast after one short exposure to direct sunlight | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you're sure it's related to sun exposure? | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, yeah, I can't recommend that Panasonic highly enough. | 04:50 |
| cehteh | not sure, but thats the only explanation i have | 04:50 |
| GAN900 | Had it for about a year and a half now. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | firmware got messed up | 04:50 |
| cehteh | are the filter dyes mositure instable? .. condensation perhaps? | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | is another explanation | 04:51 |
| cehteh | yes that could be too | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | possuble | 04:51 |
| cehteh | maybe i do a cold reboot with removing battery (normal reboot didnt fixed it) | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I doubt that'll change anything, but won't hurt | 04:52 |
| cehteh | my first thought was firmware too .. second was sunburn .. i cant think of anything else | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dirty window/lens | 04:52 |
| cehteh | nope thats not | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't know | 04:53 |
| cehteh | cleaning makes no difference and it doesnt look like a lens artifact | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are THREE "exposed" surfaces of transparent object, before light hits sensor | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you only cleaned one | 04:54 |
| cehteh | three? ... more likely 5 :) | 04:54 |
| cehteh | while the inner surfaces are reasonable encapsulated (not completely but still) | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I said "exposed" | 04:55 |
| * SpeedEvil notes that air is a transparent object. | 04:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's the surface? | 04:55 |
| cehteh | front glas, (2 surfaces, both sides), single lens (also 2 sides), IR filter, bayer filter, sensor surface | 04:56 |
| cehteh | for the filters i dont know how they are assembled | 04:56 |
| cehteh | ir is usually a glass or plastic piece in front | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The bayer filter is deposited on the sensor. | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: There may also be microlenses in there too. | 04:57 |
| cehteh | while the bayer is directly on the chip | 04:57 |
| cehteh | yes plus microlenses but i doubt this camera has that | 04:57 |
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| timeless_xchat | it looks like i'll have to go to Best Buy to get that shaver | 04:58 |
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| timeless_xchat | and i'll probably need to fix my credit card | 04:59 |
| cehteh | woot .. no torx screws on the back ... | 04:59 |
| cehteh | mhm but still i dont want to disassemble my device now | 04:59 |
| cehteh | ah 2 torx at the bottom | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need phillips and torx | 05:00 |
| * timeless_xchat objects to calling air an object | 05:00 | |
| cehteh | i dont even know if my torx set is here or on our other flat :P | 05:00 |
| timeless_xchat | ... a substance, maybe, but not an object :) | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, you could implement your own calibration. Just multiply by a picture of a white surface | 05:01 |
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| cehteh | haha .. how many bit resolution does the camera output? 10 in pseudo raw mode? | 05:02 |
| cehteh | if its 8 bit then any afterward callibration is doomed | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | there MUST be some way to calibrate that, as you can take pictures as well | 05:04 |
| cehteh | yes thats usually done internally by uploading a lut to the readout circruit | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you had to use dithering, use dithering | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I honestly doubt it's 8bit per channel | 05:05 |
| cehteh | for jpeg it should be | 05:06 |
| cehteh | and 8bit per channel is really the mimimum standard | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: find the sensor's datasheet! | 05:06 |
| cehteh | sensors are crappy in other ways adding noise and uneveness | 05:06 |
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| cehteh | prolly internal it scans at 10bit | 05:07 |
| cehteh | so rebootet .. lets try | 05:07 |
| cehteh | not better .. | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | expected that | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anticipated | 05:08 |
| cehteh | yes | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | darm, what BS am I telling that I *don't* notice? | 05:08 |
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| cehteh | i should watch out for some dead n900 for scavenging | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even not - seems expected is closer to anticipated than I thought | 05:10 |
| * cehteh really wonders if thats covered by warranty, i didnt do some abuse | 05:11 | |
| cehteh | i mean that one points the camera into sun direction for a few seconds is just to be expected use | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd expect (this time SIC) to find some calibration somewhere, like the CLUT you mentioned. Not sure if it may be a per-pixel calibration that is based on a video frame of data | 05:12 |
| cehteh | well i give up for now | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I wouldn't even mention that, esp since you're not sure if it happened at all and if that's been the cause | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, it's guarantee | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm absolutely not buying the sunburn theory. Way to smooth and even an effect | 05:13 |
| cehteh | you seen the photo .. that day i was on a hill here in the black forrest and for the first time i photograped in real bright sunlight | 05:13 |
| cehteh | well maybe | 05:14 |
| cehteh | but i have no other explanation yet, if its firmware a reboot should have it fixed or? | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I expect some firmware inside the sensor module | 05:14 |
| cehteh | moisture? ... sweaty pocket? .. i doubt | 05:14 |
| cehteh | yes | 05:15 |
| cehteh | or no .. maybe its done all in the DSP | 05:15 |
| cehteh | to make the sensor module cheaper :P | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly as unflashable as the one in e.g the accelerometer | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: It sounds unlikely that a few moments will kill the sensor | 05:15 |
| cehteh | ok but i still have no idea what caused it | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if it did, it had a spot or scar, not an evenly distributed wrong color | 05:16 |
| cehteh | yes usually firmware does some color correction for the lens .. but i didnt changed the lens :P | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but the firmware might have "changed" | 05:17 |
| cehteh | maybe fcam or bless900 sends some odd sequence which cripples it | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you have guarantee on it still, then my suggestion is to use that | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherise my first advice is to disassemble and clean thoroughly | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: might be | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | get the datasheet | 05:19 |
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| cehteh | mhm .. maybe it looks a bit better now? .. well i have to try tomorrow in daylight | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have looked into it, but only for max framerate and zoom | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~s/have// | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | imeh | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 05:20 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: do you know about correction for main cam? | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | evidently for frntcam they improved it with pr1.1(?) | 05:22 |
| cehteh | mhm i really think it looks better now .. but its too dark here | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the effect should depend on illumination | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | should NOT | 05:22 |
| cehteh | depends from where it comes | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's deterioration of any sensor parameter | 05:23 |
| cehteh | and with too dark i mean i cant even get a good example shot :) | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's for sure a limit | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's got all sorts of shizzle - from vignetting correction onwards in the DSP | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm starting along lines of excessive UV irritating the sensor | 05:24 |
| cehteh | my neon desk lamp is too flickery, i tried to photograph my monitor with a big white termial .. that looks better but says close to nothing | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/ting /ting to think / | 05:25 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: I'm starting to think along lines of excessive UV irritating the sensor | 05:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer tired? | 05:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | UV at least would match the distribution pattern of the effect | 05:27 |
| cehteh | yes | 05:27 |
| cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/9cEcO.jpg | 05:28 |
| cehteh | freaky :) | 05:28 |
| cehteh | solarize effect and moire while photographing my monitor | 05:29 |
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| cehteh | (white screen) | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | That's normal | 05:29 |
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| cehteh | i should sell that as desktop background for 3.99 at the apple app store :) | 05:30 |
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| biston | good morning | 06:07 |
| biston | i just wanna ask a quick question. if my ham is giving me the msg that i need to upgrade the CSSU package thru PC Suite, is it safe to alternatively update the package via fapmanager ? | 06:08 |
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| biston | or i can always do it via terminal | 06:09 |
| biston | which is better ? | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never use fapman, at least for system pkgs | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for apt-get ask mohammad, I dunno. But I'd think if HAM complains about "you need to use pc suite..." then there are conflicts that you can't sort with apt the easy way either | 07:02 |
| myuu | biston | 07:02 |
| myuu | just check the problems tab | 07:03 |
| myuu | oh he left | 07:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo myuu | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks like a jandel poem | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 07:06 |
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| keks-n | Hm | 07:10 |
| keks-n | Now I see multiboot menu when booting Ubuntu's kernel | 07:10 |
| keks-n | But it doesn't react on any keys | 07:10 |
| keks-n | i. e. these keys appear in the console | 07:11 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | 1-2-3? | 07:13 |
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| keks-n | yep | 07:15 |
| keks-n | Actually I see q,w,e | 07:16 |
| keks-n | Or Q W E with shift | 07:16 |
| keks-n | Hm, it uses /dev/event1 | 07:18 |
| keks-n | There is no such device when system is loaded | 07:18 |
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| keks-n | Will try to fix it to /dev/input/event1 | 07:20 |
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| keks-n | lol, something went wrong | 07:23 |
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| keks-n | Hm | 07:53 |
| keks-n | It should use /dev/input/event0 instead of /dev/input1 when running Ubuntu kernel | 07:53 |
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| keks-n | Argh | 08:09 |
| keks-n | It won't flash the kernel -_- | 08:09 |
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| keks-n | Hm | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible what you're doing just to get nitdridiot running | 08:11 |
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| keks-n | I want to run Ubuntu, not nitdroid | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it really worth the hassle? | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | oh, yes because everything has to run ubuntu... ;) | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^ | 08:12 |
| keks-n | lol | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | keks-n: which version? | 08:12 |
| keks-n | 11.04 | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | keks-n: good luck, the n900 SoC has broken thumbs... | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | pun intended | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 08:13 |
| keks-n | I saw some Illegal instruction errors while running the second stage of debootstrap -_- | 08:13 |
| keks-n | Hm | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you need multiboot to boot buntkuh now? o.O | 08:14 |
| dm8tbr | keks-n: yes, you need to go back at least two versions... | 08:14 |
| keks-n | I have an idea of integrating uboot into multiboot sequence | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's impossible | 08:14 |
| keks-n | Why? | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's completely different methods | 08:15 |
| keks-n | It boots maemo kernel, it runs /sbin/preinit aaaannnnddd Multiboot is here! | 08:15 |
| keks-n | I just have to extract zImage from FIASCO image | 08:15 |
| dm8tbr | so that's a kexec based boot menu? | 08:16 |
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| keks-n | Nope | 08:16 |
| keks-n | kexec is broken | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? next time it won't boot maemo kernel, as last time you used multiboot, it flashed ubuntu kernel to NAND @.@ | 08:16 |
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| keks-n | lol | 08:16 |
| keks-n | Multiboot flashes u-boot, u-boot loads Ubuntu from SD | 08:17 |
| keks-n | When I decide to start Maemo, I just tell it u-boot | 08:17 |
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| keks-n | And it loads maemo kernel which brings me back to multiboot | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WTF do you need multiboot then? | 08:18 |
| keks-n | Nitdroid and kernel-power | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzzz | 08:18 |
| keks-n | ^__^ | 08:18 |
| keks-n | I still cann't run u-boot with kernel-power | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I got N*F*C how to run uBoot-kernelPower via multiboot | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm sure I'm absolutely happy with that and NEVER want to learn | 08:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good luck anyway, and don't forget to occasionally reread /topic | 08:21 |
| keks-n | Unfortunately I need android for development | 08:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: multiboot opens a menu, asks what OS to run, then reflashes(!!!) the kernel on NAND and reboots that new kernel, aiui | 08:25 |
| keks-n | Is there any other way of having nitdroid and ubuntu? | 08:25 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: 'interesting' | 08:25 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: so always have a second device handy to reflash your unit in case you know the menu zaps the kernel... | 08:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: obviously if *anything* went wrong on that procedure, when you update kernel the normal way, or mess with kernel modules, you're screwed on bootloop and got to reflash | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: yes | 08:26 |
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| dm8tbr | keks-n: u-boot can boot from MMC or NAND/eMMC - so? | 08:27 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I use this to run Meego and power kernel - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1007601&postcount=1 | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: uBoot can even boot from all three | 08:27 |
| keks-n | No I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power | 08:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Strictly not nitwits stuff | 08:28 |
| keks-n | s/No/Now/ | 08:28 |
| infobot | keks-n meant: Now I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power | 08:28 |
| keks-n | Hm | 08:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat | It's a combo of multiboot and uboot | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: your problem. Toldya uBoot-power pkg installs and works like a charm here | 08:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat | power47 | 08:29 |
| keks-n | At least I managed to integrate uboot into multiboot | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: last time I tried that there was something unsatisfied in the deps IIRC | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't bother to build on my own | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I said "intall", not "build" | 08:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | open HAM, search for uboot, install uBoot-power pkg, done | 08:31 |
| GonzoTheGreat | the installing uboot-pr13 section in the above link is teh key part | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if you maybe need to have powerkernel (modules) instelled prior to that | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway multiboot is *DEPRECATED* | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I fail to see any sane reason to use it | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want nitridiot, make it boot thu uBoot - hell, it seems to boot from NOLO, so why shouldn't it boot from uBoot | 08:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'd think the kernel doesn't really care where from it gets loaded to ram | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I guess I'll have to reflash 1.3 and retry. last time HAM complained that it couldn't find the power_46_ modules when I tried the _47_ uboot-power | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if it's an insane nitridiot kernel | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, that might be a problem. I guess you might need to install powerkernel plain vanilla prior to uboot-power | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache policy uboot-power | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | uboot-power: | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 0.2-1 | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | *** 0.2-1 0 | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway seems I got uboot-power46 | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly 47 got a bug, dunno | 08:39 |
| GonzoTheGreat | There is a thread about it. | 08:40 |
| GonzoTheGreat | Hence the link I posted above | 08:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got it that link posted to noise about multiboot | 08:41 |
| GonzoTheGreat | huh? | 08:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, I really read all that weird stuff (can't believe it) - and there ARE people using nitridiot on eMMC even. Don't tell me you need multiboot to get it booted! quite obviously there's very little difference between meego and what nitdriod seems to need/use/do for boot | 08:59 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Why not write up how to do it "properly". All I want is have power47 and meego of sd. | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bootloader points to a location for kernel - this is obviously a vmlinuz file on a VFAT partiton for both meego and nitdroid - and BL pints to the partition where your rootfs lives - this is a ext2/3 formated partition for both | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main diference between meego and nitridiot seems to be the sequence of partitions on uSD | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then maybe you also make sure the vmlinuz kernel file has same full path and name for both your OS | 09:03 |
| keks-n | What the | 09:03 |
| keks-n | uboot doesn't recognize uImage | 09:04 |
| keks-n | On the SD card | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the you should be able to swap between uSD with meego and uSD with nitdroid | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course you can use uBoot-power as well as uBoot-pr13 to boot uSD and nand-based maemo | 09:05 |
| keks-n | Now I'm unable to use uboot-power | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see any reason to get both stock pr13 kernel and powerkernel on N900 concurrently | 09:06 |
| keks-n | It even doesn't show it's menu | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: surprise surprise, don't you use multiboot? | 09:06 |
| keks-n | Lol, how multiboot can be related with uboot? | 09:07 |
| keks-n | It just replaces /sbin/preinit | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT????????????? | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot is flashing the kernel | 09:07 |
| keks-n | How can it interact with u-boot BEFORE something is mounted? | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's hat they told mew | 09:07 |
| keks-n | I've flashed U-Boot throght flasher-3.5 and nolo | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 09:08 |
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| keks-n | And even after it I saw only black screen | 09:08 |
| keks-n | I did it after removing multiboot | 09:08 |
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| robbiethe1st | ls | 09:08 |
| keks-n | kernel-power boots from NOLO perfectly | 09:08 |
| keks-n | But not uboot-power | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I can't help - maybe multiboot mean while has worn out your NAND - you know you can write/erase it only a limited number of times | 09:09 |
| keks-n | But I've flashed several own kernels after it | 09:09 |
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| keks-n | And they also work | 09:09 |
| keks-n | And uboot-pr13 works | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | read topic please | 09:10 |
| keks-n | lol | 09:10 |
| keks-n | I'm sure that problem is caused not by multiboot | 09:10 |
| keks-n | BTW how to make u-boot recognize the kernel from sd-card? | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: isn't that what uBoot is all about? | 09:11 |
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| keks-n | -_- | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that what boot up each meego ever running out there? | 09:12 |
| keks-n | >>Wrong image format for bootm command | 09:13 |
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| keks-n | mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu" -d ./zImage ./uImage | 09:14 |
| keks-n | Where I'm wrong? | 09:14 |
| keks-n | $ mkimage -l uImage | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Image Name: Ubuntu | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Created: Wed Jun 1 10:00:05 2011 | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Data Size: 1601364 Bytes = 1563.83 kB = 1.53 MB | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Load Address: 80008000 | 09:16 |
| keks-n | Entry Point: 80008000 | 09:16 |
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| keks-n | Argh. Why debootstrap is so slow? | 09:49 |
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| khertan_ | Hello ! | 11:13 |
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| keks-n | damn | 11:21 |
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| keks-n | ubuntu kernel in the repo doesn't recognize my ext3 partition -_- | 11:21 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, why not? | 11:22 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 11:23 |
| khertan_ | X-Fade: are you here ? | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | khertan_: BTW, Khweeteur 0.5.17-1 doesn't work for me. It starts, but never shows anything. After realising my Twitter account wasn't migrated from the old version, I recreated it. Still no luck. However, in the console I get "Pyside Mobility is not installed or is broken". pyside-mobility is installed & "latest version". What does "broken" mean? | 11:25 |
| khertan_ | Jaffa: i can upload to extras devel | 11:25 |
| khertan_ | 0.5.24 will fix the problem | 11:25 |
| khertan_ | :) | 11:25 |
| khertan_ | s/i/if i | 11:25 |
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| khertan_ | and morning Jaffa | 11:27 |
| khertan_ | :) | 11:27 |
| khertan_ | and thx for reporting the error. | 11:27 |
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| khertan_ | What does "broken" mean? ... it s mean that a maemo 1.0.1-3 release have wrong dependancies and mix older binary with newer or something like that ... i didn't remember well | 11:28 |
| khertan_ | s/maemo/maemo pyside | 11:28 |
| keks-n | Hell yeah | 11:31 |
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| keks-n | because sshd is broken | 12:16 |
| * b0unc3 good morning | 12:17 | |
| ruskie | hehe | 12:17 |
| keks-n | So I write commands from PC and see the output on the device | 12:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/31/nokia-shares-dive-profit-warning | 13:47 |
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| ruskie | SpeedEvil, so basically expected... | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Yup. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone not expecting a profits warning hasn't actually been paying attention. | 13:49 |
| ruskie | they really did put bullets all over themselves with the WinPho7 blunder | 13:49 |
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| Arkenoi | whut, again? | 13:51 |
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| edheldil | ruskie: interestingly though, the analysts don't see the connection :) | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia has 11 billion euro in cash on hand. | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - that's from 2007 | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG | that guy on #meego is lulz | 14:13 |
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| keks-n | I think installing ubuntu to the phone from scratch via debootstrap was a bad idea... | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | took me 12 hours | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | +- 10 | 14:18 |
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| keks-n | Now I'm trying to install at least gdm and gnome-session | 14:19 |
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| firstorm | can any one help, my phone got abit wet it had been in drying cuppboard for 5 days now, just turned it on and still got no screen, i've plugged the av cable in but get no output on the t.v ! is it dead and need rpairing? | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Did you take the battery out? | 14:25 |
| firstorm | yup | 14:25 |
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| firstorm | took it out had been left open and in there for 5 days give or take! | 14:26 |
| firstorm | it boots up cause i got txts msg on it and the keyboard lights up | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Clean water? | 14:26 |
| firstorm | well it was on a car and it rained | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 14:26 |
| firstorm | but it was like 3 drops of water on it | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 14:26 |
| firstorm | nothing special so i'm going for the fact it's just got mostier ? sp in it! | 14:26 |
| firstorm | but there was a wet patch on the screen but thats gone | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Moisture. | 14:27 |
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| firstorm | thats the word lol | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd try leaving it for another couple of days. | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Water damage would generally not be covered by warranty | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | The screen can be replaced. | 14:27 |
| firstorm | i know! :( and it's not insured either! | 14:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry. | 14:28 |
| firstorm | yer not good is it! :( | 14:28 |
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| firstorm | not to fussy about the phone but got some data on there i need off it! | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the screen visible at all? | 14:28 |
| firstorm | nope get nothing! | 14:28 |
| firstorm | so i thought i would plug the phono lead in and i could see it on a tv | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you've not setup ssh or whatever? | 14:28 |
| firstorm | nar :( | 14:29 |
| firstorm | i never got that fa with it lol! | 14:29 |
| firstorm | on the 3rd screen in just over a year | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 14:29 |
| firstorm | tell me about it! | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | AFK - brb | 14:29 |
| vldcnst | So what happens if you plug the USB cable? | 14:30 |
| firstorm | it beps at me and starts to charge | 14:30 |
| firstorm | beeps* | 14:30 |
| vldcnst | Hmmm, what kind of data are you trying to backup? | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | there was some guy who experimented recovering his device after letting it expose to excess amounts of water by putting it into a bucket of rice or something and let the rice soak up the moisture. That is of course after opening the device apart and then letting rice soak up the water | 14:32 |
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| firstorm | well the laptop died on me so i chucked some video n docs onto the phone till i rebuilt the laptop | 14:32 |
| firstorm | and just never transgred it back! | 14:32 |
| firstorm | wish the bloody phone would once u plug the usb cable in if ud idn't select option it would auto time out and select one! | 14:33 |
| vldcnst | the touch screen is dead too? | 14:33 |
| firstorm | well it seems it | 14:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | the device isn't setup to do that by default, it acts like literally every other nokia phones out there when the user charges the phone when the battery inside the phone is flat. It basically acts dead | 14:35 |
| vldcnst | do you have an SD card? | 14:35 |
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| firstorm | nar cause i was stupid and saved it on the phone lol! | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Rice is largely bullshit. | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Consider what happens if you put rice out in the air. | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think you could call that stupidity, if anything it was laziness that prevented you from transferring the data from the device back. You had to use your phone as a backup medium at that time which was probably a swift choice | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it become soggy? | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | I think it just gets a bit softer | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | It doesn't really | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Notice also that rice is cheaper than silica gel. | 14:37 |
| psycho_oreos | then why do people put rice in with salt for example in the cases of shakers? or even garlic salt and stuff like that? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | And you don't see packets of rice in electronics. | 14:37 |
| firstorm | i've never used rice to dry stuff | 14:38 |
| psycho_oreos | its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's chooice | 14:38 |
| firstorm | but i've put salt in a pot in a car before etc! | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The rice bangs the salt free | 14:38 |
| psycho_oreos | s/chooice/choice/ | 14:38 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's choice | 14:38 |
| firstorm | but when u cook rice it expends in the water which is the same thing. | 14:38 |
| nid0 | well, rice is a dessicant, its just not an amazingly good one | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | firstorm: But it doesn't expand if you leave it in a humid place. | 14:39 |
| vldcnst | how about booting the n900 with the USB cable plugged in, then ctrl+shift+x and then /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 14:39 |
| vldcnst | would that work? | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - simply heating for 50C for a couple of days is lots better. | 14:39 |
| firstorm | but yes psycho_oreos 100% my problem cause i didn't do it! but that not the poitn here my dad would kick my arse! | 14:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | vldcnst, minus the fact that the user might have phone/SIM lock enabled on the device? :) | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | firstorm: Does the device respond to presses on the screen - does the vibrator go on? | 14:40 |
| firstorm | i could understand if it sat in water or t was pissing it down silly heavy etc yer but it was not even rain! | 14:40 |
| vldcnst | psycho_oreos: he already said he can receive TXT's so I assumed it's not locked | 14:40 |
| firstorm | nar lock on the phone | 14:40 |
| firstorm | SpeedEvil nope nothing | 14:40 |
| firstorm | windows beeps to say it sees that usb cable is plugged in! | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | firstorm, either way its probably a good idea to let the electronics to dry from the point it was exposed to water/moisture | 14:40 |
| firstorm | psycho_oreos i have it's been in the airing cuppboard for 6 days | 14:41 |
| firstorm | i get nokia song on load up | 14:41 |
| firstorm | keyboard lights up | 14:41 |
| firstorm | just no screen :( | 14:41 |
| psycho_oreos | vldcnst, interesting maybe certain other parts were affected | 14:41 |
| nid0 | well, you've obviously got several broke bits, as well as the screen | 14:41 |
| vldcnst | firstorm: where did the water enter the n900? | 14:42 |
| firstorm | but it boots up ok! and it seems happy lol! | 14:42 |
| nid0 | if you got no working tv out or touch response | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | firstorm, I meant pulling the device apart and drying but meh. It's probably too late, you might not even have touch screen functionality if you touched the screen and the vibrator or speaker does not make noises | 14:42 |
| firstorm | it was screen up on top of a car | 14:42 |
| firstorm | closed! | 14:43 |
| firstorm | see it's charging and i get keyboard lights | 14:43 |
| firstorm | just seems like the screen has died! | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | have you tried touch screen functionality? | 14:43 |
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| firstorm | yer | 14:44 |
| firstorm | lol | 14:44 |
| firstorm | in theory if i press some where down the bottom i should be able to select what usb mode i want | 14:44 |
| nid0 | obvious question, does the keyboard actually work? | 14:44 |
| firstorm | well i can press buttons | 14:44 |
| firstorm | but no screen so i can't tell lol | 14:45 |
| nid0 | did you actually try the advice given by vldcnst a while ago? | 14:45 |
| nid0 | if the device boots, and the keyboard works, you can just launch xterm and enable mass storage mode | 14:45 |
| vldcnst | nid0: not sure he can close the select usb mode thingy | 14:45 |
| vldcnst | nid0: without a touchscreen | 14:45 |
| firstorm | but i cant see what i'm doing. | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | firstorm: open keyboard, wait for led to turn off. | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | press key | 14:46 |
| firstorm | but if the usb mode is still open? surley u can only clear that but clicking on screen | 14:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't clear it with the keyboard, yes. | 14:48 |
| firstorm | so that means if it's still up i can't do nothing with it? | 14:48 |
| firstorm | cause the phone can't multi task? | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It can. | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just that that's a system modal dialog. | 14:49 |
| nid0 | is the device set to auto connect to any net connection? | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's meant not to take keypresses. | 14:49 |
| Venemo | good morning | 14:49 |
| firstorm | it might auto connect to my wireless infact | 14:49 |
| firstorm | cause it's got no sim in it so can't find 3g. | 14:49 |
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| nid0 | if so and you've got a keyoard, you can just install openssh then scp your files from it | 14:50 |
| nid0 | even if not, you can still bring up a wifi connection then do that, its just a bit more complex | 14:50 |
| firstorm | so really what they need is to create a set of key presses that would automatically let u select mass storage device! | 14:50 |
| firstorm | hmm | 14:50 |
| vldcnst | SpeedEvil: what does ctrl+shift+n do? | 14:50 |
| firstorm | so does the av output run through the screen? | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could flash a 'rescue' image that'd let you login | 14:51 |
| firstorm | because when i cracked the screen before i could plug in av and i could see it! | 14:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | The AV output does not 'run through thte screen' | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | But eactly how the jack is enabled is a bit comlex. | 14:52 |
| firstorm | dam smart phones lol! | 14:52 |
| firstorm | let me fire up some sort of network scanner then! see if it's picked the phone up! | 14:53 |
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| nid0 | your router would probably be the easiest to check | 14:53 |
| firstorm | yer for some reason router doesn't detect stuff connected via wireless :S got a seperate ap | 14:53 |
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| firstorm | nope not connected to wireless :( | 14:57 |
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| firstorm | whats next step then lol :( | 15:00 |
| firstorm | SpeedEvil? | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't have a good suggestion. | 15:01 |
| vldcnst | SpeedEvil: how about doing a ctrl+shift+x and then sleep 10; /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh and then plug USB cable? | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could reflash an image which would let you access the data over USB without the dialog. | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | vldcnst: I have not tried that - in principle that - or something similar - might work | 15:02 |
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| cityLights | ha ha back at this hot contry | 15:03 |
| firstorm | vldcnst should work? | 15:03 |
| vldcnst | firstorm: maybe. | 15:03 |
| cityLights | so, are there any news DocScrutinizer ? | 15:03 |
| firstorm | what does the ctrl shift x do then? | 15:03 |
| cityLights | new CSSU? | 15:03 |
| vldcnst | firstorm: it opens up a terminal | 15:03 |
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| firstorm | ah ok! | 15:04 |
| firstorm | is there anything i could write to make it beep so i know it works? | 15:05 |
| nid0 | you could reboot the device from terminal, thatll let you know you had it open | 15:06 |
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| nid0 | if you've got espeak installed you can have the device respond to you | 15:07 |
| firstorm | nar nothings installed on this phone :( | 15:07 |
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| vldcnst | can he even run the mass storage script without gainroot? | 15:08 |
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| nid0 | probably not | 15:09 |
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| nid0 | I generally kind of assume that rootsh is an installed pre-requisite on any n900 though | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install sshd | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | then | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | sshd-client-server | 15:10 |
| nid0 | he has no wifi up | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | then type in the password you want | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 15:10 |
| nid0 | so hes gotta sort that out via shell first | 15:10 |
| * firstorm picks n900 up and lunches it across the room! | 15:10 | |
| firstorm | :( | 15:10 |
| keks-n | -_- | 15:10 |
| firstorm | its ok it landed on my bed lol! | 15:11 |
| nid0 | mmm, lunch | 15:11 |
| firstorm | lol i saw that nid0 | 15:11 |
| firstorm | :( i'm thinking of food thats why! | 15:11 |
| firstorm | urm vldcnst tried that nothing! | 15:11 |
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| vldcnst | firstorm: I think the easiest way would be to plug a microsd card and ctrl+shift+x and cp | 15:22 |
| firstorm | but i don't know file names / folders | 15:23 |
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| vldcnst | firstorm: cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /media/mmc1 | 15:24 |
| firstorm | ty! | 15:24 |
| firstorm | see i dont' mind sending it back but i know they would format it! | 15:24 |
| firstorm | :( | 15:24 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, ping | 15:26 |
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| nusse | hi there | 16:15 |
| nusse | anyone using syncevolution on the n900 and might share the config? | 16:16 |
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| hiemanshu | so is there a git client for N900? or is there a guide to set up an environment to compile stuff for the N900 | 16:29 |
| lcuk | http://developer.meego.com/ | 16:30 |
| hiemanshu | meego? isn't this the maemo channel? | 16:31 |
| merlin1991 | hiemanshu: there's git in the extras repo | 16:32 |
| lcuk | :O | 16:32 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, lol yeah sorry | 16:32 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/ | 16:32 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: I dont seem to find it for some reason | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | ~sdk | 16:33 |
| infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | arf | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | ~scratchbox | 16:33 |
| infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | fu | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | the installer link was in there at some point I'm sure | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | well | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | hiemanshu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | that would be the environment to compile for the n900 | 16:34 |
| nusse | apt-get install git | 16:34 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: yeah, I am reading that | 16:34 |
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| hiemanshu | nusse: apt-cache search git doesn't show it | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | hiemanshu: do you have -devel enabled? | 16:35 |
| hiemanshu | nope | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | it's only in devel | 16:35 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: ah ok, you said it was in extra | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | you can choose between http://maemo.org/packages/view/git/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/ | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | extras is -devel for me nowadays :D | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | the 2nd contrains a more recent version afaik | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | s/contrains/contains/ | 16:36 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: the 2nd contains a more recent version afaik | 16:36 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: ah, ok | 16:37 |
| hiemanshu | well I just got the N900 a few days ago, a month old one from a friend | 16:37 |
| hiemanshu | so far loving it :) | 16:37 |
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| hiemanshu | I know rpm packaging, humm, should learn packaging debs too | 16:38 |
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| hiemanshu | merlin1991: so do -devel actually break your system in a way that can't be fixed without reflashing? because being a fedora dev, we always have a way around | 16:39 |
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| hiemanshu | s/do/does | 16:39 |
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| merlin1991 | you can fix pretty much everything with reflashing, and most things without too | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | but devel also contains stuff like ic2-tools wich can brick your phone | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | s/ic2/i2c | 16:41 |
| hiemanshu | yeah well I can stay away from that for sure | 16:41 |
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| merlin1991 | as long as you stay away from installing random stuff, and only upate packages you need to update you're save with -devel | 16:42 |
| hiemanshu | but installing random stuff and bricking your phone is fun </sarcasm> | 16:44 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: I will take care of that :) | 16:44 |
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| merlin1991 | hiemanshu: you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ | 16:48 |
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| hiemanshu | merlin1991: sounds awesome | 16:51 |
| hiemanshu | this is a secondary phone, basically no calls, no texts, so I can pretty much do anything with it :) | 16:52 |
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| merlin1991 | I have the CSSU installed on my primary (only) phone :) | 16:54 |
| BCMM | same, though mine is broken | 16:54 |
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| BCMM | (i should point out that i don't think CSSU is what caused the USB port to fall off) | 16:55 |
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| hiemanshu | BCMM: you are the 5th person to tell me that the USB port is breaking, I wonder why that happens | 16:57 |
| BCMM | hiemanshu: it's pretty much a known issue now | 16:57 |
| BCMM | it just isn't soldered down very well | 16:57 |
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| BCMM | nokia replaces them if that happens, though | 16:57 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: yeah, but is it mishandling or just nokia's fault | 16:57 |
| BCMM | hiemanshu: well, it's not durable. | 16:58 |
| BCMM | probably doesn't break if you are extremely careful of it; on the other hand, other phones' ports won't break even if you do use them a lot | 16:59 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: makes sense | 17:00 |
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| hiemanshu | if only the processor on this thing was faster | 17:02 |
| an0therb0x | hello.. is it possible to sync my contacts from the n900 to google contacts ? | 17:02 |
| keks-n | Sync it with outlook first | 17:03 |
| keks-n | via PC Suite | 17:03 |
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| hiemanshu | BCMM: well technically you dont need a USB port, just get another battery, and one of those universal chargers, and you are set :D | 17:12 |
| hiemanshu | as far as syncing is concerned, scp++ | 17:13 |
| KrayoN900 | everytime you swap you have to power down though :-( | 17:13 |
| hiemanshu | well yeah, its better than spending some $$ every month, esp if its a secondary phone | 17:14 |
| rm3l | Hi - did someone ever found a working solution on how to set up a Google Apps account as an Exchange account within N900? | 17:14 |
| KrayoN900 | i have to swap once or twice on a day i don't have a usb port handy :-/ | 17:14 |
| hiemanshu | KrayoN900: the battery is that low? | 17:15 |
| KrayoN900 | yeah n900 power doesn't do good once you're using 3G and bluetooth all day | 17:16 |
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| KrayoN900 | i always have ogg podcasts playing and am usually connected with 3G | 17:16 |
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| hiemanshu | ah | 17:17 |
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| hiemanshu | well with 2G data all day long here, I get about a day and half, but I dont use it to listen to music or anything | 17:18 |
| KrayoN900 | i listen to them with bluetooth headphones too | 17:18 |
| KrayoN900 | it all adds up | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | I have an iphone for that | 17:18 |
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| KrayoN900 | when I bought my girlfriend one I was so surprised because she gets days out of her battery :-P | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, but I dont have music playing all day long | 17:20 |
| hiemanshu | my computer does that for me | 17:20 |
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| hiemanshu | if only there was something in python, I could help develop to | 17:23 |
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| BCMM | shiny new n900! | 17:25 |
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| BCMM | so, how should i go about restoring things? will restoring a package list from the backup app get me back to CSSU or do i want to to do that first? | 17:27 |
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| KrayoN900 | damn, i accidentally dismissed a dialog when i started midori. let's hope it wasn't important :-/ | 17:27 |
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| hiemanshu | is any part of maemo in python at all? | 17:28 |
| BCMM | hiemanshu: what are you counting as "maemo"? | 17:29 |
| trx | i hope not | 17:29 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: the base system | 17:29 |
| BCMM | trx: why, what's wrong with python? | 17:29 |
| trx | nothing, i just wouldnt like parts of the kernel in python | 17:30 |
| trx | :) | 17:30 |
| BCMM | hiemanshu: i happen to have a just-out-of-the-box n900 here, and it hasn't even got python installed | 17:30 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: ah | 17:31 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: that means no | 17:31 |
| hiemanshu | :/ | 17:31 |
| hiemanshu | I know Qt and Python | 17:31 |
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| BCMM | hiemanshu: as in PyQt, or as in C++ too? | 17:32 |
| hiemanshu | BCMM: pretty good with PyQt, and quite a bit of C++ plus, still learning C++ | 17:33 |
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| hiemanshu | what is the difference between the generic and the country wise firmwares | 17:58 |
| Jaffa | hiemanshu: Not much | 18:00 |
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| hiemanshu | for one I know the Indian firmware doesn't have skype | 18:00 |
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| hiemanshu | w00t, my PyQt apps run just fine on the phone, I just need to make the GUI for a 800 x 480 size | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | can someone paste the output of lshal | grep battery.charge_level.capacity_state on a non low battery device? | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | or is there a way to find all possible values? | 18:34 |
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| * MohammadAG pokes merlin1991 | 18:39 | |
| merlin1991 | oops I read low battery device | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | instead of non low battery device | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | can do, gimme a sec | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd guess possible values are "low" and "full" but not sure what in between is | 18:40 |
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| bindi | 'ok' | 18:40 |
| merlin1991 | battery.charge_level.capacity_state = 'ok' (string) | 18:40 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:41 |
| merlin1991 | battery icon shows about 1/5 missing | 18:41 |
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| bindi | i've 4 bars | 18:42 |
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| MohammadAG | ok? -.- | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | that's probably the stupidest string to have, but oh well | 18:49 |
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| GAN900 | Wee, out of the ER with some anti-nausea drugs. | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | Finally going to get out of California. | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Congratulations! | 18:54 |
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| GAN900 | iknorite? | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | Stuoid foreigners and their diseases. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Plague? | 18:54 |
| * GAN900 suspects the Finns. | 18:55 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70F1EFE395911738DDDAB0894D9415B828CF1D3 | 18:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | The information given out by the Marine Hospital Service that since Feb. 22 there have been thirty-one deaths from bubonic plague in San Francisco | 18:56 |
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| GAN900 | Shit | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | Well, no sores. | 18:58 |
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| hiemanshu | is there like a Qt Designer template for the N900? | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no, should there be one? | 19:10 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well it would be easier for most people to use it as a starting point, I could probably write one | 19:11 |
| * hiemanshu is porting some of his basic PyQt apps to the N900 | 19:11 | |
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| BCMM | any idea what i'm doing wrong with making my SSH keys work again on this new phone? | 19:22 |
| BCMM | i've restored /home/user/.ssh/ and /etc/ssh/ | 19:22 |
| BCMM | and fixed /etc/passwd | 19:22 |
| BCMM | what have i missed? | 19:22 |
| BCMM | (it still asks for a pass when i try to log in) | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | just use ssh-copy-id | 19:23 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: restoring /home/user/.ssh/ should really achieve that | 19:24 |
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| BCMM | also, wouldn't i first have to create a password for user so i could log in? | 19:24 |
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| BCMM | oh i bet i know what happened | 19:25 |
| BCMM | i bet the backup app set the wrong permissions on .ssh/ | 19:25 |
| BCMM | yep, 0777 | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, sure it's not /root/.ssh? | 19:26 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: trying to log in as user here | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 19:26 |
| BCMM | i used to be able to ssh user@n900, and it would work | 19:26 |
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| BCMM | this did involve modifying /etc/passwd | 19:27 |
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| BCMM | fixed permissions and restarted sshd and it's still broken... | 19:29 |
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| BCMM | argh, why not parellel fetch in HAM? | 19:31 |
| BCMM | ^no parallel | 19:31 |
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| BCMM | ah! fixed somehow | 19:36 |
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| BCMM | the backup app really needs to preserve permissions in the settings backup, and the user account being locked is just weird </rant> | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, may I suggest offline_access for future versions of Hermes? | 20:18 |
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| divodurum | hi | 21:35 |
| divodurum | how do i install msn on n900 | 21:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | msn? | 21:40 |
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| divodurum | yeah | 21:40 |
| divodurum | mesenger | 21:40 |
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| divodurum | no clue eh | 21:43 |
| ruskie | pidgin or the protocols for telepathy | 21:44 |
| ruskie | look in the app manager | 21:44 |
| ruskie | should be able to find it | 21:45 |
| Choom | I use MSN (Pecam) | 21:45 |
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| Choom | works decently, doesn't support multiple logins though | 21:45 |
| Choom | s/pecam/pecan | 21:46 |
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| BCMM | msn has multiple login now? | 21:47 |
| Choom | has had for a while | 21:47 |
| Choom | you can login from multiple places at the same time | 21:47 |
| Choom | unfortunately, logging in from my phone logs me out from everywhere else, that's the only downside of MSN (Pecan) for me, and it doesn't bother me much | 21:48 |
| ruskie | really no reason with jabber with a jabber msn transport | 21:48 |
| ruskie | if you still actually use anything other than jabber that is | 21:48 |
| Choom | everyone I know is on MSN and only a select few are on jabber, so MSN makes more sense as a default choice | 21:49 |
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| Necc | and sadly, noone of the apps out there actually supports network change (wifi<>2G/3G) without a high change to fail | 21:50 |
| Choom | what do you mean by fail? | 21:51 |
| Choom | I have no problems with the transition, when I leave home the phone automatically switches to the mobile network and the clients reconnect | 21:51 |
| Choom | as soon as it finds an access point that it knows, it switches back to it | 21:52 |
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| Necc | case 1) when i change wifi<>2G/3G it simply doesn't even tries to reconnect automatically case 2) MSN tries to reconnect, but with sometime with a chance, it simply fails (gives up too early) and it doesn't even tries anymore | 21:52 |
| Choom | do you have automatic mobile network connections enabled? | 21:53 |
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| Necc | yes | 21:53 |
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| Choom | MSN (Pecan) never fails to reconnect for me | 21:53 |
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| Necc | MSN (pecan) fails to reconnect after a specific timeout, and never ever retries until another wifi<>2G/3G switch comes | 21:54 |
| Venemo_ | Necc, neither MSN plugins work correctly, but I think butterfly is the least broken | 21:55 |
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| Necc | same applies to MSN (haze), MSN, Skype, and even occasionly to OVI | 21:55 |
| Choom | that's not my experience with it, I don't think I've ever seen it fail, in fact up until the latest version it would even fight with my windows client over the connection | 21:55 |
| Necc | all MSN apps for maemo simply sucks, it doesn't works as expected, and years ago now, nobody attempted to fix it normally -.- | 21:56 |
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| Choom | are you sure it's not a network issue? | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | Necc, newer versions of butterfly should work, the problem is that noone cares for updating it. | 21:56 |
| Choom | I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access | 21:56 |
| Necc | Choom, cause a timeout for login, somehow (like force 2G) and you will see all MSN on the N900 chainfailing | 21:56 |
| Choom | I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) *disconnect* for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access | 21:57 |
| Necc | i am 100% sure it is not a network issue | 21:57 |
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| Necc | it is 1) application design fail 2) bug (timeout, and after no automatic re-attempts) | 21:57 |
| Choom | that could be it then, I'm 3.5G covered everywhere where I live | 21:57 |
| Necc | where i live, i got 2.5G only | 21:57 |
| Venemo | Necc, Pecan is just crap | 21:58 |
| Necc | the only one perfect application so far is X-fire for the situation, but it doesn't exist for N900 | 21:58 |
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| divodurum | hey, what about openarena | 21:58 |
| divodurum | hwhere to get it for example | 21:58 |
| Choom | vodafone is stable enough here to use IRC over ssh without many issues | 21:59 |
| Necc | Venemo, MSN (all versions for telepathy), pidgin, aMSN, etc, all MSN app simply fails to work fully-automatized | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Choom: Except battery. | 21:59 |
| Venemo | Necc, I see, but Butterfly works correctly on my laptop. so I assume that it has been fixed, and the N900 version is just too old | 21:59 |
| Choom | yeah, I can run out of battery in an afternoon's worth of excessive usage | 22:00 |
| rm3l | Hi guys - Has anyone of you ever found a working solution on how to set up Google Apps as an Exchange account on N900? Thanks for sharing any experience! | 22:00 |
| Venemo | Choom, hehe, yeah | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | I use Haze | 22:01 |
| Macer | word | 22:02 |
| divodurum | where can i download haze | 22:02 |
| Macer | rm3l: google apps? | 22:02 |
| Venemo | divodurum, extras-devel | 22:03 |
| rm3l | Macer: I mean, an existing Google Apps account! | 22:03 |
| Macer | rm3l: only way i was able to sync google was to use mail for exchange for contacts | 22:03 |
| Macer | imap for mail | 22:04 |
| Necc | the only one 99.9% fix workaround to make MSN-telepathy work, is to install 2 different edition of MSN, and install "Automatic connection" and set up for example MSN (haze) to be connected when you are on 2G/3G, and connect to MSN(pecan) when you are connected to anything else network. So far, this work for me | 22:04 |
| Macer | and ermining for calendar | 22:04 |
| Macer | using mail for exchange by itself didnt work well | 22:06 |
| Necc | btw Venemo, did you noticed decreased accuracy when you use location service of telepathy? | 22:06 |
| divodurum | where can i dl pecan, lol | 22:06 |
| Venemo | Necc, I wasn't aware that telepathy has a location service | 22:06 |
| rm3l | Macer: Tried to do that, but I was wondering if one had ever used the ' Exchange' setup capability in N900 Settings! | 22:07 |
| Venemo | divodurum, extras or extras-devel | 22:07 |
| Macer | rm3l: it half works | 22:07 |
| Macer | if at all | 22:07 |
| Necc | then whatever use "My location" | 22:07 |
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| rm3l | Macer: Anyway, thanks for the ideas - will try to do the same! | 22:07 |
| Venemo | Necc, ? | 22:07 |
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| divodurum | ehm. | 22:08 |
| divodurum | extras-devel? | 22:09 |
| Venemo | Necc, so far I've only tried ovi maps, but the GPS eats away the battery so quickly that I didn't find any normal use case for it | 22:09 |
| Venemo | Necc, I only use it when I'm completely lost | 22:09 |
| Macer | rm3l: it was the only way i was able to do it | 22:09 |
| Macer | i really wish mail for exchange worked fully with google | 22:10 |
| Necc | it uses network based positioning only, and you loose unnoticable usage time with it | 22:10 |
| Macer | Venemo: ovi is horrible | 22:10 |
| Macer | all maemo gps apps are horrible heh | 22:10 |
| Choom | Necc: I repeat, that's not the experience I have with MSN (Pecan) | 22:11 |
| Necc | except sygic... it is somewhat-useable | 22:11 |
| Venemo | so, which GPS app is the best? | 22:11 |
| Choom | when the phone auto-switches from one network to the other, MSN stays down for like 10 seconds | 22:11 |
| Choom | and has never failed to reconnect back | 22:12 |
| Macer | ovi maps | 22:12 |
| Macer | heh | 22:12 |
| Necc | Choom, and if it timeouts at login, it stays at that state | 22:12 |
| Macer | bbl | 22:12 |
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| Choom | Necc: the only case where it stays down (and that was a recent addition) is when I log in from elsewhere, and I actually like that behavior | 22:14 |
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| Choom | Necc: as soon as I leave my home network and the phone auto-switches to mobile net it reconnects back | 22:14 |
| divodurum | is there any ms paint like application around? | 22:14 |
| divodurum | i have the mypaint but dont really like it | 22:15 |
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| Venemo | divodurum, sure: build-in "Sketch" app, mypaint, and penpen | 22:15 |
| hiemanshu | how much do new N900s cost? | 22:15 |
| divodurum | cant get colors on penpen/sketch | 22:16 |
| Venemo | heh? | 22:16 |
| divodurum | mypaint seems to "lag" a bit | 22:16 |
| divodurum | i draw something and wait for it to appear on screen | 22:16 |
| divodurum | i got mine for 180€ | 22:17 |
| divodurum | used one though | 22:17 |
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| hiemanshu | divodurum: how old? | 22:22 |
| Venemo | heh | 22:22 |
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| Venemo | I tried both butterfly and pecan... neither one accepts my password | 22:22 |
| Venemo | LoL | 22:22 |
| kerio | League of Legends? | 22:23 |
| Venemo | kerio :) | 22:23 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: I installed accounts-plugin-haze or something like that | 22:24 |
| hiemanshu | and everything works fine for me | 22:25 |
| divodurum | 1 year old | 22:25 |
| divodurum | so 1 year warranty left | 22:25 |
| hiemanshu | mine is like a month or so old | 22:25 |
| hiemanshu | I got it for $210 | 22:25 |
| divodurum | ive had this for only few days but seems to be in mint condition | 22:25 |
| divodurum | wow, nice | 22:26 |
| hiemanshu | I still need to get a microsd card for it | 22:26 |
| divodurum | well, everything costs you shitloads in finland | 22:26 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, microsd? what for? 32 GB isn't enough for ya? | 22:26 |
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| divodurum | you installing nitroid or something? | 22:27 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I am going to try nitdroid, fedora, meego on it | 22:27 |
| Venemo | divodurum, me? nitdroid? NEVER! | 22:27 |
| divodurum | no that was meant for hueman | 22:27 |
| divodurum | hieman i mean | 22:28 |
| Venemo | no problem | 22:28 |
| Venemo | nitdroid is utter crap | 22:28 |
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| divodurum | anyways you can have both installed so i see no prob in that | 22:28 |
| hiemanshu | well its fun because I want to see why everyone likes droid so much | 22:28 |
| Venemo | okay, nor Butterfly, nor Haze, neither Pecan accepts my password | 22:29 |
| divodurum | theres nice applications for android which could be worth a try | 22:29 |
| divodurum | if you have overclocked n900 and use nitroid for that android psx emulator you'll prolly get close to full speed | 22:29 |
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| Venemo | overclock? YUCK | 22:31 |
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| Macer | hm | 22:32 |
| Macer | i am wondering if i should make the attempt to work on this cups stuff again | 22:32 |
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| divodurum | hey btw, i tried yoshis island on drnoksnes and clouldnt get it to start | 22:34 |
| divodurum | only a black screen | 22:34 |
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| Venemo | hm | 22:59 |
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| Venemo | I added my facebook account to my voip and IM accounts in my N900 | 23:05 |
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| Venemo | it retrieves photos for my contacts, but all of them are extemely ugly low-res crap | 23:05 |
| alecjw | hi there, the card reader in my N900's died since i dropped it in the toilet. it does't show up at all in the file manager or in /dev. anyone know what might be worth trying? | 23:05 |
| Venemo | alecjw, warranty repair | 23:05 |
| alecjw | and my magnet isn't gone, although i'm starting to think maybe the magnetic sensor is | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: How long did you leave it to dry with the batteyr out? | 23:06 |
| alecjw | Venemo: any more honest way of doing it? :P i doubt the warranty covers accidental damage | 23:06 |
| Venemo | alecjw, just don't tell them about the accident | 23:06 |
| alecjw | SpeedEvil: it was quite a while ago, so i don't really remember for sure. but i think it was about 24 hours. i sprayed the insides with IPA too just to make sure the last drops of water were gone | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: I'd want to dry it for a bit more - thought the IPA is probably a good plan | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Though IPA can kill some plastics | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | i killed my laptop screen that way | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | front part of it was ok | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The SIM works? | 23:08 |
| alecjw | yeah, everything else works fine, it's just the SD card reader | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | but somehow it got in between many layers deeper inside of lcd | 23:08 |
| vldcnst | n900 and water, starting to become a trend | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - was this a 'pre' or a 'post' toilet? | 23:09 |
| alecjw | this happened months ago, at the time i gave up and just told myself i was an idiot and would have to live without an SD card reader | 23:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 'my magnet is gone' - you mean it thinks the back is off? | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it will unmount the SD | 23:09 |
| alecjw | the toilet hadn't been used since the last flush if that's what you mean :P | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Eww | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 23:09 |
| * SpeedEvil parsed that wrong. | 23:10 | |
| alecjw | the magnet's there, i can see it behind the stand whatsit | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm | 23:10 |
| alecjw | but i'm starting to think the hall effect sensor or whatever it is might be gone | 23:10 |
| Venemo | LoL | 23:10 |
| alecjw | the fact that the SD card reader completely dissapeared from /dev rather than corrupting data and stuff seems to imply to me that it's something wrong with the sensor | 23:12 |
| alecjw | or is that a silly assumption? | 23:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm tired - and not finding where the switch readout shoudl be in /sys | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not in /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/ wehre I'd expect it | 23:15 |
| alecjw | ooh its in /sys eh? i'll have a look | 23:15 |
| alecjw | or could /proc/acpi be worth trying? | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a PC | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | no ACPI | 23:16 |
| alecjw | good point | 23:16 |
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| alecjw | SpeedEvil: couldnt it be /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity? | 23:24 |
| alecjw | it always says open for me | 23:24 |
| vldcnst | alecjw: thats the front sensor | 23:24 |
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| alecjw | oh right | 23:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | No. | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch | 23:27 |
| Venemo | anyone tried the app called Hermes? | 23:27 |
| hiemanshu | is it possible to backup install of apps I have installed via apt-get and then reinstall them once I reflash | 23:27 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, yes, use the app called Backup | 23:27 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, make with it a new backup and check the option to save the app list | 23:28 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: ah cool | 23:28 |
| * hiemanshu is a new user | 23:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: see my apt-get wrapper on wiki/user:joerg_rw/tools | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: might fail for apps installed via apt-get | 23:29 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: cool thanks | 23:29 |
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| hiemanshu | I installed multiboot and it screwed up kernel-power settings, the installation should actually search for it and use it | 23:30 |
| hiemanshu | instead of the default kernel | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see /topic | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's there for some reason ;-) | 23:31 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: I have seen it, but just a suggestion, if I knew deb packaging I could have done it | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: multiboot is fubar | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | by design | 23:32 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: what is suggested to be used then? | 23:32 |
| alecjw | SpeedEvil: thanks! i just tried it and it is working. i guess i've wrecked my card reader then | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a baseball bat to make nitridiot devels comply with uBoot | 23:33 |
| alecjw | don't suppose anyone knows if nokia can check for water damage? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they can, believe me. But they may just not care | 23:34 |
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| hiemanshu | w00t, I managed to screw up my install :D | 23:35 |
| hiemanshu | so everytime I flash I have to flash both the eMMC and fiasco image? | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC usually not needed | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: As far as I see it - the power supply to the mmc just goes straight from the main power managment chip. | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd wonder if a careful cleaning of the SD contacts - maybe bendin them out a hair - may help. Also - you have replaced the SD? | 23:39 |
| divodurum | so, hey | 23:39 |
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| divodurum | if i want a working msn client, what-a-do? | 23:39 |
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| hiemanshu | divodurum: accounts-plugin-haze or something like that | 23:41 |
| hiemanshu | that works for me | 23:41 |
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| Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer51, how're you? | 23:44 |
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| hiemanshu | so what the best way to resize paritions? edit the flasher image? | 23:44 |
| alecjw | SpeedEvil: the card itself works fine, but i might try bending them out a bit. wouldnt the drive still show up in /dev and the file manager if there was no card in though? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, boot rescue initrd, enable usb host, then repartition using gparted or any tool of your choice | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eating | 23:45 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: is there a guide? | 23:46 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, it is non-recommended for anyone without proper expertise | 23:46 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, I'm not aware of a guide, but MohammadAG once guided me through it | 23:46 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: well I have linux expertise, and I am a fedora dev if it helps | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | alecjw: Don't remember | 23:46 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, that is nice :) | 23:47 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, in that case, see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 23:47 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, boot this and enable its usb mass storage mode, and connect the N900 to your computer | 23:48 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, then unmount if your computer mounts it | 23:48 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, after this, launch gparted and do as you please | 23:48 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, note that the N900 is _UNABLE TO CHARGE_ while running the rescue initrd | 23:48 |
| azilot | Hello | 23:49 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: makes sense | 23:49 |
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| hiemanshu | I dont know what I rm -rf ed by mistake | 23:50 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, also note that Maemo 5 has the partition list hard-coded, so if you want a new partition, put that to the end of the disk | 23:50 |
| hiemanshu | but all I see on my screen are boxes | 23:50 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, what did you do? | 23:50 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I dont know, I was removing some stuff from /home/ | 23:50 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 23:50 |
| hiemanshu | I remove /home/opt by mistake :P | 23:51 |
| hiemanshu | removed* | 23:51 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, oooops... | 23:51 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: thats cool though, I just got this device and messing with it | 23:51 |
| azilot | i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root. | 23:51 |
| hiemanshu | its a seconday phone, so that is never an issue | 23:51 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, for me it's primary :) | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I have an iPhone as a primary phone | 23:52 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, lol | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | which is basically because I need music | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | and it works | 23:52 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, and N900 doesn't work? :P | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I just got it | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: also well I game a lot | 23:52 |
| hiemanshu | while waiting for class to start and stuff, I game | 23:53 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, I recommend tuxrace on your N900 | 23:53 |
| hiemanshu | so N900 doesn't do that really well | 23:53 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I will install it soon | 23:53 |
| hiemanshu | once I get this running again, its charging right now | 23:53 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, yeah, not too many games for Maemo 5 | 23:54 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, I also recommend you my puzzle-master | 23:54 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, I've also packaged that for Fedora | 23:54 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: oh nice, I should try it | 23:54 |
| divodurum | sure theres the emulators but tyou can get thm on iphone too | 23:54 |
| hiemanshu | I had just finished porting a couple of my desktop apps for the N900 | 23:55 |
| hiemanshu | they are in PyQt | 23:55 |
| Venemo | which ones? | 23:55 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: there is this xkcd game me and my friend made, it gives you alt text or a dialogue, and you choose the correct answer | 23:55 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: http://i51.tinypic.com/23hakp2.png | 23:56 |
| hiemanshu | all I did was change the dimension and reorganize it for 800x440 | 23:56 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, nice :) | 23:57 |
| hiemanshu | and then there was the qr code generator | 23:57 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: https://github.com/hiemanshu/exkayseedee/blob/master/n900.py | 23:58 |
| hiemanshu | I need to fix the code though, I wrote this quite some time ago when I was learning to code Qt | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: thanks, I'm fine :-) | 23:58 |
| Venemo | I don't know a thing about Python hiemanshu | 23:58 |
| hiemanshu | so there are some stuff I did in a stupid way, but well it works | 23:58 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51, that's nice to hear :) | 23:58 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: ah, C/C++? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you? | 23:58 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, C/C++/C#/etc. | 23:59 |
| hiemanshu | I know a little of C / C++ | 23:59 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51, I'm fine too... I'm having a math exam tomorrow, I hope for the best :) | 23:59 |
| hiemanshu | and a fat ass C# book sitting here in front of me | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good luck | 23:59 |
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