| alterego | DocScruHeh | 00:00 |
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| alterego | Heh .. | 00:00 |
| alterego | My N900? | 00:00 |
| alterego | I use it more than my "PC" ;) | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | show me your PC that has standby of weeks, with resume time <50ms | 00:00 |
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| alterego | Optimized power saving does not mean it's not a proper computer. | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know why meego epically fails on standby time? they think PC, not embedded | 00:01 |
| alterego | It just means it's very good when not being "in use" .. | 00:01 |
| alterego | It's true, we have about 15mA usage on stand by at the moment. | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | even my wrist watch has a 'proper computer' inside | 00:01 |
| alterego | Which is I think 3x maemo | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you NEVER do suspend-to-foobar on a system that has zeroclock | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Of that order. Depending on what you're calling standby | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you have entirely different power management paradigms on a system with e.g. SmartReflex | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Suspend to RAM saves about half of the minimal 'zero clock' power. (to annoy Doc) | 00:03 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: stand by in maemo's terms, touch screen off, system idle. | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare that to your "PC" | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the paradigm is incompatible | 00:03 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: indeed, but then my first PC was an SA1100 based system :P | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the sw devels fail at switching paradigm | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ~7.5W I think is the lowest I've gotten my PC. | 00:03 |
| infobot | okay, SpeedEvil | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | huh? | 00:03 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 00:04 | |
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| green-- | hi, anybody happens to know where n900 usb host mode devs sit? | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I know you know I know you want to annoy me | 00:04 |
| alterego | Hahahah | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we bth know about power in embedded | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | green--: What? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget 7.5W I think | 00:06 |
| infobot | i forgot 7.5w i think, DocScrutinizer | 00:06 |
| green-- | SpeedEvil: I just need somebody who has spruf98d.pdf and can share it with me ;) | 00:06 |
| alterego | So, who thinks Nokia will announce the N9(50) on Wednesday? | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not on the TI site still? | 00:06 |
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| green-- | seems not, they purged it long ago and replaced with the newer revisions apparently | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:07 |
| JZA | hi anyone know if there is subversion for fremantelle | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | green--: I sit on my arse ;-P | 00:07 |
| * SpeedEvil checks disk. | 00:07 | |
| JZA | i want to do some commits | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | What are you looking for in it? | 00:07 |
| JZA | speedevil need to commit some code | 00:07 |
| green-- | SpeedEvil: mode musb register details, as I am trying to force the hostmode (obviously) on another device | 00:08 |
| green-- | s/mode/more/ | 00:08 |
| infobot | green-- meant: SpeedEvil: more musb register details, as I am trying to force the hostmode (obviously) on another device | 00:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer coughs | 00:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:08 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if his DCC works. | 00:09 | |
| green-- | we can try ;) | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Guess not. | 00:10 |
| green-- | SpeedEvil: apparently you come from 10/8 network and your NAT does not rewrite it | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Do you have/want spru98f/spru98nosuffix | 00:13 |
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| javispedro | evening gentlemen. | 00:14 |
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| green-- | I am just getting the document from somebody else's link which I assume is spru98f, no idea what the nosuffix is | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | "spruf98" | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Uploading now - few mins | 00:15 |
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| javispedro | did TI remove it? | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I should have remembered to do it with something that will throttle upload. | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/ | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | when it stops increasing in sie | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | size | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | They regularly update it - adding/removing bits. | 00:18 |
| javispedro | latest is from apr 27 | 00:18 |
| javispedro | revision r | 00:18 |
| javispedro | and is still available at ti.com | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - but not the earlier ones. | 00:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some newer docs do not have all of the info of the later ones. | 00:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | green--: K - there | 00:21 |
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| green-- | SpeedEvil: thanks! | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 00:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | What platform? | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | green--: Also - #maemo-hostmode-discussion | 00:23 |
| green-- | SpeedEvil: the platform is nook color | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh - fun. | 00:24 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | That's got 256M RAM too? | 00:24 |
| green-- | 512 in mine | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 00:25 |
| * SpeedEvil thinks evil thoughts. | 00:25 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: don't be ashamed, everyone seems to want it... | 00:26 |
| green-- | it's a cool little device, and it's cheap | 00:26 |
| green-- | and given that people were able to unlock bt not so long ago (terrible range, though) and now the usbhost, all what is left is for somebody to solder in some 3g chip and have a supercool device ;) | 00:27 |
| green-- | (and there are 3g chip pads in place, just no chip) | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | 3g 'chip' ? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean 3g module? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I was actually pondering that broken nook colours might be a handy source for 512M CPU+POP memory. | 00:29 |
| green-- | SpeedEvil: well, I guess it's a combination ;) | 00:29 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it is 36xx series iirc | 00:29 |
| green-- | 3621 | 00:29 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: not necessarily pin compatible with 34xx aiaui (if the n900 is the target of your evil joke) | 00:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 00:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | AIUI the POP probably would be. | 00:30 |
| javispedro | there was a discussion about this nearly half a year ago (started by our master in solder abilities and general hackery abill_uk) | 00:30 |
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| javispedro | iirc I eventually found up a guide in TI docs that talks about the necessary hw changes to migrate from 34xx/35xx to 36xx/37xx | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't know. It's one of those things that is fundamentally possible, but unlikely to actually work. | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (RAM upgrade) | 00:31 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:32 |
| javispedro | "In general, AM37x is a drop in replacement for OMAP35x on same PCB if " | 00:32 |
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| javispedro | you need to change stuff though. | 00:33 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes again that the ipad was open, and cheaper. | 00:34 | |
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| GAN900 | Nook Color isn't a bad compromise. | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 00:35 |
| javispedro | am I the only that does not feel attracted to it? :D | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can see it would make a handy companion to the n900 | 00:36 |
| javispedro | I think it's way too small for a tablet and not useful as an ereader due to non eink. also, non resistive. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't you have a wepad? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget | 00:36 |
| javispedro | nope | 00:37 |
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| javispedro | I have a s10-3t (aka the lenovo ideapad) whose size is ok but weighs way too much and screen angle is abysmal. | 00:37 |
| Choom | what's the problem with NOT being resistive? | 00:37 |
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| Choom | if there's one thing I actually dislike in the N900 it'is the resistive touchscreen | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Ah. I sent my s10-e back due to the screen angle. | 00:38 |
| javispedro | Choom: don't get me started. | 00:38 |
| Choom | please do | 00:39 |
| Choom | I'd really like to read it | 00:39 |
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| Choom | never found anyone with a different opinion | 00:39 |
| javispedro | Choom: excuse me, are you from the future? | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I find that being able to not touch the screen is positive. Also - being able to use with gloves. | 00:39 |
| Choom | uh? | 00:39 |
| Choom | well there are capacitive styluses | 00:40 |
| javispedro | Choom: you did not found anyone wanting resistive in #maemo, virtually the last bastion of resistive fanatics in the entire world? | 00:40 |
| javispedro | *find | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro | 00:41 |
| javispedro | evening DocScrutinizer | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:41 |
| infobot | hmm... xyawn is sleep | 00:41 |
| Choom | I've never debated the subject with anyone else here | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? SEE?!?! | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:41 |
| infobot | well, xyawn is nap | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: you're a smartass | 00:42 |
| infobot | I know you are but what am I? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:42 |
| infobot | hmm... xyawn is big coffee | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmm | 00:43 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: don't enter pupnik mode =) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already left it behind ;-P | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | been a 13 minutes period during uotime=43 | 00:44 |
| javispedro | uh. people area ctually using my sdl gles tutorial... | 00:45 |
| * javispedro should update it | 00:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably infobot knows she has to answer sleep or nap on uptime>40h | 00:45 |
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| javispedro | the latest rumor about the n9 is one of the sanest so far imo | 00:53 |
| javispedro | it is about that nokia will "surprise" with some new haptic feedback technology | 00:53 |
| javispedro | I still wouldn't bet anything on it, | 00:53 |
| javispedro | but it might explain why dui/meegotouch had all those feedback stuff | 00:54 |
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| achipa | btw the wiki page is ambiguous about the nook color's BT but it's fully operational (hooks up to my BT headset just fine) | 01:03 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, it also explains the prototype N900 that had that | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | haptic = bigger vibrator? | 01:05 |
| javispedro | actually the current implementation is fully software (that is, some gfx/sfx effects) | 01:06 |
| javispedro | that's why I'm saying I wouldn't bet anything... so far. | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: OM*F*G | 01:06 |
| * MohammadAG was referring to http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html | 01:06 | |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: mmmmm | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing that word is it doesn't have a keyboard, it creates an on screen keyboard "feel" | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the *what*? | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it incidentally means that the display has to be resistive | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng electrofriction | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah \o/ | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 01:08 |
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| javispedro | I bet that means that it is surely not that. | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 01:08 |
| javispedro | because capacitive is already pretty much guaranteed. | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, hw kbd been guaranteed | 01:09 |
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| kerio | why do people like capacitive screens so much? | 01:09 |
| kerio | :| | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | **YAWN** | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, apparently, not on the consumer device | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | at least that's what most rumors are pointing at | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck NKIA | 01:09 |
| kerio | no keyboard = no sales | 01:09 |
| kerio | what the hell | 01:10 |
| kerio | how can they fuck it up so badly | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | the N800 worked I guess | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 is a delusion | 01:10 |
| javispedro | ++ | 01:10 |
| javispedro | it's just hardvaporware. | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | N9 doesn't exist, or if it does, it's probably a windows phone 7 device | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway there's been this idiotic enigma on twitter | 01:11 |
| kerio | i really just want a n900 with more ram and a faster CPU | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | saying "wait tik 6.1" | 01:11 |
| nox- | i hear duke nukem forever is coming too... | 01:11 |
| nox- | :) | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | nox-, the N950 has to replace something | 01:11 |
| javispedro | kerio: <glados>you want that? well I AIN'T LET YOU!! how does that feel?</glados voice> | 01:11 |
| nox- | MohammadAG, replace what, the n900? | 01:12 |
| Choom | I'd be happy with a capacitive touchscreen | 01:12 |
| * MohammadAG looks at 720p playback thread <wheatly>Tiny little wheatly did this</wheatly> | 01:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | "torture me, please torure me!!!" "Noooohohohooooooo, hrhrrrhrrrrhrrr" | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | nox-, no, DNF | 01:14 |
| nox- | haha ok | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wrong game | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 01:14 |
| kerio | some people already have DNF | 01:14 |
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| nox- | heh | 01:15 |
| nox- | it was mentioned on tv here too | 01:15 |
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| javispedro | the worst part is that it will just be a mediocre game ;) | 01:16 |
| * MohammadAG won't buy it | 01:16 | |
| * javispedro doesn't buy shooters at all | 01:16 | |
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| merlin1991 | but it's the DUKE | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: didn't you play portal2? | 01:17 |
| kerio | javispedro: i heard there's naked women in it | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 01:17 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: my entire steam collection is portal1&2. | 01:17 |
| kerio | merlin1991: portal 2 is not an fps | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | puzzle shooters ;) | 01:18 |
| kerio | no | 01:18 |
| javispedro | I like to call it a "3d plataformer" =) | 01:18 |
| kerio | that would be something like hl2 | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | technically it is, you just fire portals | 01:18 |
| kerio | it's a first person puzzle platformer | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yay, so there's someone like me! | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | yea, it's first person and you do carry a gun :D | 01:18 |
| kerio | javispedro: no, that would be super mario 64 | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | I also have alien swarm but that was free :p | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: try insurgency | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | (free too) | 01:19 |
| javispedro | sm64 is also "puzzle" platformer, and portal has some bits requiring timed presses and action | 01:19 |
| javispedro | so they're just the same. | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | Linux mohammad-i5laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 01:19 |
| javispedro | IMHO ;) | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | that means I cba with windows ^ :P | 01:19 |
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| kerio | javispedro: nah, the first person is the distinguishing tract for p2 | 01:19 |
| javispedro | might be, but "first person platformer" looks ridiculous and probably can be omitted | 01:19 |
| javispedro | so you end up with "platformer". | 01:19 |
| kerio | it's definetely a platform game | 01:20 |
| kerio | it's also a puzzle platformer | 01:20 |
| kerio | and also a first person platformer | 01:20 |
| kerio | and hey, what do you know, it's also a first person puzzle platformer | 01:20 |
| javispedro | and first person portal puzzle platform shooter | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: lemmings | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | third person platformer | 01:20 |
| kerio | no, you don't have a gun | 01:20 |
| kerio | you have an handheld portal device | 01:21 |
| javispedro | it just fires portals, and requires some precision | 01:21 |
| javispedro | and you can even kill evil turrets with it! | 01:21 |
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| kerio | it doesn't fire portals, it fires physics thingies that create portals when they hit a wall | 01:21 |
| kerio | and it's not even projectile-based | 01:21 |
| kerio | it's hitscan | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | my phone is (like) 01795088513. Got a missed call from 01785088512 - is this a known fraud? | 01:22 |
| Choom | probably someone poking the neighborhood | 01:23 |
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| kerio | really though, metroid prime fits the "shooter" definition better, and it's definetely *not* an FPS | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: yeah, or trying in vain to call himself | 01:24 |
| * javispedro tries to remember if there was any kind of gun in sm64.. | 01:24 | |
| kerio | javispedro: you can throw some blocks | 01:24 |
| javispedro | hm... cannon! | 01:24 |
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| kerio | oh right you fire yourself | 01:24 |
| kerio | and it's from a first person prospective! | 01:24 |
| kerio | definetely an fps then, right | 01:25 |
| javispedro | and this is why when the Smithsonian said they would create a videogame archive with limited places for each game _category_ everyone laughed. | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Is nethack a FPS? | 01:26 |
| kerio | category? what category? | 01:26 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: not first person, sadly | 01:26 |
| kerio | and no guns unless you're playing the unholy abomination that is slashem | 01:27 |
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| kerio | D: | 01:28 |
| kerio | stop shooting! | 01:28 |
| * javispedro shoots a portal on infobot for no reason | 01:28 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you just had to add something to this conversation, didn't you | 01:28 |
| kerio | and now NIN101 is dead | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | i'm suffering from IRC tourette | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~shoot javispedro | 01:30 |
| * infobot shoots javispedro in the foot with a cork gun! | 01:30 | |
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| Choom | kerio: LOL | 01:31 |
| merlin1991 | fps wise is tc:e still my fav | 01:31 |
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| Choom | * DocScrutinizer shoots his first person | 01:33 |
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| Choom | nothing deep | 01:33 |
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| dRbiG | hmm, i'm trying to connect to gprs net via dbus-send but the iap name contains @ and it doesn't work - connecting to wifi for ex. works as the name is the standard x-y-z-foo style | 02:28 |
| dRbiG | any ideas? | 02:28 |
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| bindi | anyone used aircrack-ng with n900? | 02:29 |
| bindi | airdump-ng wants iw, installing iw removes aircrack-ng | 02:29 |
| bindi | lol | 02:29 |
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| bindi | airodump-ng even | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dRbiG: use proper 'enclosion' | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bindi: sounds relally funny | 03:15 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer51: fixed .P | 03:15 |
| bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1014947&postcount=10 | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how? | 03:15 |
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| GAN900 | Any good rumor mongering going on here? | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at some parts of the world the 1st of june might be near | 03:18 |
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| GAN900 | When did we decide the FCC confidentiality would expire? June 21st? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sth like that | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or 28 | 03:20 |
| GAN900 | Big event is supposed to be on the 21st. | 03:21 |
| nox- | i wonder how many devices get approval that never really get sold... | 03:21 |
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| GAN900 | I think I've made peace with it being capacitive. | 03:21 |
| GAN900 | I just want something to get excited about. | 03:22 |
| nox- | (fcc approval i mean) | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nox-: 50% | 03:22 |
| nox- | heh | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: MohammadAG suggested it's all about N9 and ultra innovative tactile feedback | 03:24 |
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| GAN900 | Looks interesting | 03:30 |
| GAN900 | We need something | 03:30 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo is in a bad spot. | 03:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil sets GAN900 on fire. | 03:33 | |
| * SpeedEvil watches GAN900 getting excited. | 03:33 | |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | The 'slow burn' - with meego turning up in IVI/... and second and third tier devices is looking more likely. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than massive announcements. | 03:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sets meego on fire | 03:43 | |
| * DocScrutinizer is really missing the foundation rationale to drive the whole thing | 03:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. why would I want to use meego? On a phone even? | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's been the supposed synergy? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's been the monster step ahead compared to a fixed maemo | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or evem smething funny like SHR (which meanwhile runs on some half dozen devices and geting better each day) | 03:47 |
| GAN900 | Multi-vendor synergy? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, wasn't the idea "it has more future"? | 03:48 |
| GAN900 | I guess the idea was Android with more open and more manufacturers involved. | 03:48 |
| GAN900 | But, well. | 03:48 |
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| GAN900 | Intel is arrogant as heel and incapable of shipping something for consumers | 03:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer pulls out the telescope to scan horizon for TRUE meego phones | 03:48 | |
| GAN900 | and Nokia is on fire. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and meego is running north headlessly, while the trousers are burning - hurry up guys, it's for sure nicely cool and refreshing up there | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego-arm that is | 03:50 |
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| GAN900 | S'too bad there's very little in the way of viable open alternatives without MeeGo. | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SHR | 03:52 |
| GAN900 | Meh | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | tiny but really rock solid concept | 03:52 |
| GAN900 | Something with some vendor buyer. | 03:53 |
| GAN900 | s/buyer/buy-in | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | in terms of MP, you might want to wait for alterego coming up with his news | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | take it, Nokia didn't cut it and let us down finally | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego is tablet for now, zero chance to get something decent for phone working (even if they do a great job, there's one thing missing in the picture: THE PHONE) | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Samsung / Raster? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | LG? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Intel x86-phones? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTC? | 03:57 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, it's a mess. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | time had come, time has gone | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | some key players dropped it | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now we're waiting for something COMPLETELY new | 03:58 |
| GAN900 | Hey, Asus has a netbook now! *g* | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | while trying home-improvement on maemo | 03:58 |
| GAN900 | Google should've dropped by the conference with free hardware for everybody. | 03:59 |
| GAN900 | Bet they'd have gotten a lot of converts. | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MOAR POWAAARRR | 03:59 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | /msg NickServ identify s1cuba0 | 05:03 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 05:03 | |
| * SpeedEvil decides not to go for the lulz. | 05:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil | None of you saw that - right? | 05:04 |
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| cehteh | [04:09] -NickServ- GonzoTheGreat has been ghosted. | 05:09 |
| cehteh | outch :) | 05:09 |
| cehteh | GonzoTheGreat_: need password changing assistance? .. i guess a lot people here will help :P | 05:10 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | very funny | 05:11 |
| cehteh | really change it now :) | 05:11 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | I am too stupid to use quassel | 05:11 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | how do I do it? | 05:11 |
| cehteh | /msg nickserv help | 05:11 |
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| cehteh | mhm seriously .... | 05:15 |
| cehteh | [04:15] -NickServ- You are now identified for GonzoTheGreat. | 05:15 |
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| cehteh | GonzoTheGreat_: seriously ... this channel is logged everyone will see your password | 05:16 |
| cehteh | i hope you dont use it for anything else | 05:16 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Nope | 05:16 |
| cehteh | so changed it yet? | 05:17 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | How the hell do I restet it? | 05:17 |
| cehteh | /msg nickserv identify GonzoTheGreat s1cuba0 | 05:17 |
| cehteh | /nick GonzoTheGreat | 05:17 |
| cehteh | /msg nickserv setpass newpassword | 05:18 |
| cehteh | (at least i hope that works :P) | 05:18 |
| cehteh | and do not use 'newpassword' literally :P | 05:18 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | chnaged now.... | 05:22 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | stupid interface to allow that to be posted | 05:23 |
| cehteh | :) | 05:23 |
| cehteh | [04:23] -NickServ- You are already logged in as GonzoTheGreat. | 05:23 |
| cehteh | haha now how i can log out of your account :P | 05:23 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | anything '/msg' should never make it through | 05:23 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Is there any way to reset everything | 05:24 |
| cehteh | yes dalnet has some security measures it accepts plain /identify or /msg nickserv@sevices.dal.net | 05:24 |
| cehteh | but well if you type a space in front of /msg you shoot in your own foot | 05:24 |
| * cehteh usually types identification messages into the server window | 05:25 | |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Must have been written by Nokia ;-) | 05:25 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Yeah yeah smartarse ;-) | 05:25 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | ceteh: so anybody who has is logged in can still change it. How do I change this? | 05:28 |
| cehteh | no idea | 05:29 |
| cehteh | ah there is a logout command .. dunno if that works for all | 05:30 |
| cehteh | rtfm :P | 05:30 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | could you log out please. You seem to be the only one | 05:30 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | bastard ;-) | 05:30 |
| cehteh | haha | 05:30 |
| cehteh | [04:30] -NickServ- You have been logged out. | 05:30 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | thanks | 05:31 |
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| cehteh | [04:31] -NickServ- 1 failed login since last login. | 05:31 |
| cehteh | [04:31] -NickServ- Last failed attempt from: pronto!~moo@unaffiliated/pronto on May 31 02:18:12 2011. | 05:31 |
| cehteh | haha pronto, nice try :P | 05:32 |
| pronto | cehteh: i had to try >.> | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I do hope you don't share that password with anything:? | 05:32 |
| pronto | cehteh: cant you blame me? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - note that using passwords that leak is grounds for an automatic k-line | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if you're only doing it 'as a joke' | 05:32 |
| pronto | heh | 05:33 |
| pronto | i'd just connect though another server | 05:33 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Nope only facebook, work, gmail and work email | 05:33 |
| cehteh | haha .. not ssh on your machine? | 05:33 |
| cehteh | damnit | 05:33 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | sorry ssh uses ALL CAPS | 05:34 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: stupid rule, when being helpful i want to have at least a bit fun | 05:34 |
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| cehteh | next time i charge money and have no fun instead | 05:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just pointing out that I've seen people banned for that. | 05:35 |
| cehteh | well i dont care, i think i give freenode more than it can take from me | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:36 |
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| cehteh | btw logger bots, yes i mean you nslu2-log! should filter such accidental password revealing out | 05:36 |
| cehteh | generally i dont like logger bots anyways and usually i forbid them where i can :P | 05:37 |
| cehteh | (thats is public web/googleable logs, not logging per se) | 05:37 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Anyways, now the reason I am using this... | 05:39 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | As of last week I can't seem to get apt to work anymore with extras-devel in scratchbox (X86) | 05:40 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | I get: "Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-i386_Packages" | 05:41 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | Tried all the usual "apt-get update; dpkg configure etc" | 05:41 |
| cehteh | server broken? retry later .. or borked proxy on your way? | 05:41 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Anybody any ideas? Strangely "armel" seems to work. | 05:41 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | No proxies | 05:42 |
| cehteh | lemme try | 05:42 |
| cehteh | mhm works for me | 05:43 |
| cehteh | what filesystem? | 05:43 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | ext3 | 05:44 |
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| cehteh | no idea ... but iirc you can just delete that file (better move it out of the way in case i am wrong) ... and then apt-get update again | 05:45 |
| cehteh | that will re-fetch the data | 05:45 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | no luck there | 05:45 |
| cehteh | ah i dont have extras installed in the sdk | 05:47 |
| cehteh | well really sometimes the devel servers are out for lunch and a few hours later it suddenly works | 05:48 |
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| cehteh | can you give me the sources.list line for extras? | 05:48 |
| cehteh | copy'n'paste ftw :P | 05:49 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | extras or extras-devel? | 05:49 |
| cehteh | both | 05:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 05:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 05:49 |
| cehteh | i just installed the sdk a few days ago again .. didnt really used it yet | 05:49 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | apt-get update && apt-cache search qt-components | 05:50 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | boom | 05:50 |
| cehteh | d/l'ing | 05:50 |
| cehteh | yes same problem .. confirmed | 05:51 |
| cehteh | eek 'mysocials' contains binary data .. i wonder if thats legal | 05:52 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | huh? | 05:54 |
| cehteh | there is somewhere a syntax error in that file | 05:54 |
| cehteh | but anyways you can look and search it in less or your favorite editor | 05:55 |
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| cehteh | qt-components yields no result when grepping | 05:56 |
| cehteh | grep qt-comp /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | 05:56 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | which is odd | 05:56 |
| cehteh | i dont comment on that :) | 05:57 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | AFAIK It should be there | 05:57 |
| cehteh | it is not | 05:57 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | aah. It seems to be ARMEL only - WTF? | 05:59 |
| cehteh | ah | 06:00 |
| cehteh | yes some packages are amel only | 06:00 |
| cehteh | the x86 is not a general emulator but only a build environment | 06:00 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Can't see why that package is ARMEL only. | 06:01 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | Might need to build from source | 06:01 |
| cehteh | well the armel neither its just sufficient for building .. if you can run some other apps then thats pure coincidence but mostly unsupported | 06:01 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | I was thinking of looking into maemo5 qt-components | 06:01 |
| cehteh | guess why some people install the SDK on the device in a chroot | 06:02 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | oh well, everything builds under X86. So just a half-bottomed jb by the package uploader | 06:04 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | job | 06:04 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | just checked qt-components from git and the symbian ones kind of work. I assume the issues are qt version related. | 07:02 |
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| myuu | hey has anyone here used hatari? | 07:08 |
| myuu | on the n900 ofc | 07:08 |
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| wblaze | wow, this is going to take a lot of getting used to | 07:54 |
| wblaze | just picked up a n900 today. | 07:54 |
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| kerio | wblaze: did you install the CSSU already? | 08:26 |
| wblaze | not a thing | 08:26 |
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| kerio | do eeeeeeet | 08:28 |
| wblaze | honestly, I'd love a link to a page or thread of suggestions for new users :p | 08:28 |
| kerio | if you haven't already, install the latest version of maemo and then http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 08:28 |
| wblaze | I'm completely out of my depth at the moment, going through the config on the device and as much documentation as I can get my hands on, haha | 08:29 |
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| kerio | yeah, the n900 is weird | 08:29 |
| kerio | but awesome | 08:29 |
| wblaze | weirder still coming from all RIM devices for the past year | 08:30 |
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| myuu | whoa cssu? | 08:36 |
| wblaze | myuu: hm? | 08:36 |
| myuu | i havent heard of this lol | 08:37 |
| myuu | im still on titan | 08:37 |
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| krayon | myuu: CSSU is the community picking up where Nokia left off, fixing bugs, being awesome etc | 08:41 |
| myuu | yeah it sounds amazing | 08:41 |
| myuu | hope it doesnt mess with my stuff but honestly im always excited to flash my phone for something new | 08:42 |
| krayon | It's not really flashing, just installing packages. | 08:42 |
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| krayon | It's great to have a phone that's just like a linux box IMHO :D | 08:43 |
| myuu | doesnt really mess with much? | 08:43 |
| myuu | cause i have nitdroid/easydeb/shitidontneed | 08:43 |
| krayon | Ah, I dunno about all that. I've not used either of them. | 08:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | myuu, I have CSSU and am using pali's kernel (kernel-power-v47) | 09:57 |
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| myuu | yes I installed | 10:21 |
| myuu | it worked fine | 10:21 |
| myuu | fine is an understatement I suppose | 10:21 |
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| edheldil | speaking of CSSU, is there any effort to implement iCal/Webcal calendars in Calendar? | 10:27 |
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| krayon | edheldil: That'd be cool | 10:31 |
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| Juozapas | hi, why sometimes indicator led doesn't blink when i receive sms or im message? | 10:33 |
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| divan | Juozapas, maybe chat window is in focus at the moment the new message arrives? | 10:38 |
| Juozapas | possible :) | 10:39 |
| Juozapas | but even if the screen is locked (but conversation window is open) it doesn't blink | 10:40 |
| Juozapas | is it possible to somehow turn on this option ? | 10:40 |
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| divan | should blink if screen is locked, yeah | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:20 |
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| crashanddie | bi(k) = (1 − 2−8) bi(k − 1) + 2−7 sgn [dq(k)] sgn [dq(k − i)] | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | woop, woop | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | bi(k) = (1 − 2^−8) bi(k − 1) + 2^−7 sgn [d^^q(k)] sgn [d^^q(k − i)] | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | sorry | 11:22 |
| * chem|st falls through the door, his body bleeding all over the floor and with his last breath "The abill got me!" | 11:23 | |
| crashanddie | Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 11:23 |
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| * chem|st stands up "just kidding", dusts off his trousers "coffee anybody?" | 11:24 | |
| chem|st | nothing stands a good roleplay in the morning! | 11:25 |
| chem|st | but someone should wipe this floor in here | 11:25 |
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| El_Angelo | anyone knows why i can no longer call VOIP with cssu installed? | 11:26 |
| * crashanddie grabs chem|st by his trouser legs and mops the floor with his face | 11:26 | |
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| chem|st | hey that wasn't my party on hte weekends so stop it ;) | 11:33 |
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| chem|st | El_Angelo: to come back to you... please elaborate | 12:54 |
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| chem|st | El_Angelo: call voip is very generic... SIP is voip Jabber is voip msn is voip skype is voip... | 12:58 |
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| El_Angelo | it's ok | 13:03 |
| El_Angelo | i found the solution myself | 13:03 |
| El_Angelo | didn't google before i asked ; | 13:03 |
| El_Angelo | ;) | 13:03 |
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| Mece | hello | 13:16 |
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| Mece | can someone tell me the url to the rss2.0 feed of a thread? I think there is one, but there's no link to it. | 13:17 |
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| chem|st | Mece: you mean on tmo? | 13:20 |
| Mece | yes. | 13:21 |
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| chem|st | Mece: no idea | 13:26 |
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| chem|st | Mece: abills "report this" fanatism is just like an rss feed... | 13:28 |
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| robbiethe1st | chem|st: "DELETE FROM `forumDb`.`reports` WHERE `reportFrom`='abill'"? | 13:31 |
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| BCMM | ugh, this is taking ages... | 13:50 |
| BCMM | Anyone else had an N900 USB port go, and sent it to Nokia Care UK? How long did they take? | 13:51 |
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| lardman | BCMM: someone was saying the other day they were simply offered a replacement of an N8 as the N900 wasn't in production anymore | 13:52 |
| BCMM | that would be extremely annoying. | 13:53 |
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| jaska | no sane person would accept :) | 13:53 |
| BCMM | that's a symbian phone, right? | 13:53 |
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| jaska | yeah | 13:53 |
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| BCMM | imho, that makes it a featurephone, in exchange for a smartphone | 13:54 |
| BCMM | lardman: do you know if said someone is in the UK? | 13:54 |
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| lardman | that I don't know | 13:55 |
| lardman | sorry | 13:55 |
| lardman | it was in this channel last week iirc, so you should be able to find out who it was | 13:55 |
| BCMM | i'll check the logs | 13:55 |
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| lardman | cool | 13:56 |
| BCMM | it says "Product received; in repair" on the tracking thing | 13:56 |
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| BCMM | it was Ikarus | 13:57 |
| chem|st | actually I would love to have nokia sell n900 upgrade kits... bare PCBs nothing changed but CPU RAM and a compass added (NFC maybe too), kit includes new keymat and spare stylus... make it -150eur and I buy it! | 13:57 |
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| alterego | BCMM: what was the nature of you nokia care issue? | 13:58 |
| BCMM | chem|st: and a redesigned USB port; please! | 13:58 |
| chem|st | BCMM: for sure | 13:58 |
| alterego | I got my N900 main board replaced only 3 weeks ago (in UK) | 13:58 |
| BCMM | alterego: USB port failed. didn't actually fall out, but is visibly twisted and transmits neither power nor data | 13:58 |
| alterego | BCMM: identical to my issue then | 13:59 |
| BCMM | Ikarus said it was a store warranty that offered an N8 | 13:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, 7 days, got it back on the 7th | 13:59 |
| BCMM | not nokia care | 13:59 |
| BCMM | alterego: it was gone for seven days? | 13:59 |
| alterego | Well gone for 6 I got it back on the 7th | 14:00 |
| flux | chem|st, cool, they would sell dozens of them! ;-) | 14:00 |
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| BCMM | oh, emails says "If we have not returned your items or contacted you within 7 days of receipt, please call Nokia Care, and we will be happy to assist you." | 14:00 |
| chem|st | flux: hundreds | 14:00 |
| BCMM | that's now, but i'll give them another day because of the bank holiday | 14:00 |
| BCMM | alterego: thanks, that's a relief | 14:00 |
| BCMM | alterego: so did they actually replace the mainboard instead of just giving you a new unit? | 14:01 |
| alterego | BCMM: probably best, it's literally the status page says what you just quoted, then suddly it's like "dispatched" hopefully this afternoon for you and I got it the next morning about 10am | 14:01 |
| Ikarus | yes it was | 14:01 |
| Ikarus | me | 14:01 |
| alterego | BCMM: yeah, same scuffed fucked case, new IMEI etc | 14:02 |
| BCMM | alterego: ah, ok. so it doesn't change until they've literally turned it over to DHL | 14:02 |
| Ikarus | and they where Nokia Netherlands and CoolBlue (largest smartphone store here) | 14:02 |
| alterego | Indeed | 14:02 |
| BCMM | Ikarus: thanks for the info :) | 14:02 |
| Ikarus | so perhaps Nokia in other countries still has parts stocked or has complete phones left | 14:02 |
| BCMM | alterego: thanks, somewhat reassured. i think, for some reason, i was getting jumpy at how the status doesn't change | 14:03 |
| alterego | BCMM: me too, I phoned them up aswell :d | 14:03 |
| alterego | But I phoned them up an literally 10 minutes later the status changed :D | 14:03 |
| lardman | BCMM: ah sorry, I seem to remember the store vs Nokia warranty thing now | 14:07 |
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| BCMM | lardman: don't worry | 14:07 |
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| Coke | Any idea why mplayer, gstreamer, etc get a green tint on the front camera? | 14:10 |
| alterego | Travel sickness? | 14:12 |
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| BCMM | Coke: i've been wondering about that | 14:15 |
| lardman | camera not setup correctly | 14:15 |
| lardman | ? | 14:15 |
| BCMM | or, more like wondering what applications that do not have a green tint do to avoid having it | 14:16 |
| lardman | do any? | 14:16 |
| BCMM | AFAIK mplayer doesn't do any setup | 14:16 |
| BCMM | lardman: in decent light, the mirror app | 14:16 |
| lardman | no I meant at the driver level | 14:16 |
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| lardman | BCMM: hmm, well that's open source isn't it, so you should be able to see what sort of gst pipeline it sets up | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | You could check the camera-ui in the cssu, maybe there's something in the code | 14:17 |
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| BCMM | lardman: heh, i had assumed it would all be waay over my head | 14:17 |
| BCMM | and then i remembered that i learned how to set up gst pipelines a few months ago, for fun | 14:17 |
| BCMM | (well, the basics) | 14:17 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: camera-ui can shoot front-cam? | 14:17 |
| * merlin1991 darkly remembers something | 14:18 | |
| merlin1991 | Hm actually can't find it now | 14:19 |
| lardman | looks like mirror applies some gamma correction | 14:20 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/usr/bin/mirror?root=mirrorapp&view=markup | 14:20 |
| lardman | L156 | 14:20 |
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| MohammadAG | that abill thread is lulz | 14:23 |
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| MohammadAG | be back in 6 hours | 14:23 |
| Coke | lardman: what setup do I need to do? | 14:26 |
| lardman | er? | 14:26 |
| Coke | I've used mplayer and gstreamer extensively with 4 different webcams and 2 different network cameras, NEVER had any problems except N900 | 14:26 |
| lardman | yeah it's the camera that is at fault | 14:27 |
| lardman | there is presumably some way to alter the gamma settings in mplayer, I don't know off hand though | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Coke: Color format? | 14:27 |
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| lardman | in gst you apparently need to add a gamma component and set its value to 2 (that's what Mirror does) | 14:27 |
| Coke | lardman: todesnt look like a gamma setting | 14:27 |
| Coke | its green, not too dark | 14:28 |
| Coke | it's as if it only reads the green component. | 14:28 |
| lardman | hey I'm simply reporting on the mirror source code ;) | 14:28 |
| Coke | mplayer handles YUYV, RGB and MJPEG | 14:28 |
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| Coke | here's another question: im binding my LAN IP port 9999 (tcp), but when I portscan my phone it's not open | 14:29 |
| Coke | is there some sort of secret fw in between? | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | How are you connecting the phone? | 14:31 |
| Coke | wifi | 14:32 |
| Coke | in fact, I can't even ping it | 14:32 |
| Coke | no icmp response | 14:32 |
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| Coke | but from the phone I can ping this machine | 14:32 |
| Coke | and now, for unknown reasons, after I ran ping on the phone, the phone is pingable again | 14:33 |
| Coke | WTH | 14:33 |
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| flux | perhaps it's some power saving related thing that doesn't quite work with your AP | 14:34 |
| flux | (of course, disabling power saving is a battery-suicide) | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Coke: Route problems? | 14:35 |
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| Coke | SpeedEvil: dunno. anyway, only tcp works, udp doesnt | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 14:37 |
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| singler | hello everyone, does anyone know if there is a way to forward/redirect incoming cellular N900 call to configured SIP account? | 14:57 |
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| chem|st | requested thread about vBulletin upgrade here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1019333#post1019333 | 15:04 |
| chem|st | singler: redirection is a provider service not one of your phone | 15:05 |
| chem|st | but sure you could write a program calling a SIP account and fwd everything on incoming calls | 15:06 |
| chem|st | singler: sipgate provides cellular numbers fwd (you get a cell number attached to your account) | 15:07 |
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| singler | chem|st: standart redirection is provider service, but theoretically it is possible to bridge calls, but no idea if N900 software provides this function (e.g. some sort interface to asterisk or other program) | 15:10 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, ping | 15:11 |
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| chem|st | singler: asterisk is in the repos... so in general it is available, but idk about anyone who did/tried to already | 15:21 |
| singler | I could not find information if asterisk can receive N900's cellular call. | 15:24 |
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| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: pong | 15:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, PM? | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | ok | 15:30 |
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| jacekowski | 14:32 <psycho_oreos> I don't accepting private messages or dialogs at this time. Please talk with me in the public channel. { Automessage } | 15:33 |
| merlin1991 | Lmao | 15:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, don't know why its blocking you when I've added you to the list before, I've added you again, apologies | 15:34 |
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| alterego | I'd be more worried about the grammer :P | 15:44 |
| billmania | Or the spelling? | 15:45 |
| alterego | All the words are spelt correctly | 15:46 |
| alterego | s/accepting/accept/ is a tense error imo | 15:46 |
| chem|st | +1 | 15:46 |
| billmania | How is grammar spelled in your native language? :-D | 15:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | the script was originally from Germany :) I cbf editing it, though I could and change a whole bunch of other things to make it more English friendly :þ | 15:47 |
| alterego | N9(50) will definitely be MTF for those that are interested. | 15:47 |
| alterego | billmania: well, now you're just being pedantic. :D | 15:48 |
| billmania | alterego: Yup, that's me. | 15:48 |
| billmania | alterego: I am interested. Can you tell me more about the N9(50)? | 15:49 |
| alterego | I can tell you most of what I know, which isn't really any more than anyone else knows. | 15:49 |
| alterego | I know it's coming, don't know when, but I think soon. | 15:49 |
| alterego | I know that MeeGo DE will be targetting it as well as N900 post release | 15:50 |
| alterego | I also know Harmattan is still MTF | 15:50 |
| alterego | But all that info is public already, tbh. | 15:50 |
| billmania | An N950 Maemo/Meego tablet from Nokia, as a successor product to the N900? Does MTF mean "more to follow"? | 15:50 |
| alterego | MeeGo Touch Framework | 15:50 |
| alterego | The Qt based application graphics toolkit | 15:51 |
| _berto_ | not to be confused with WTF | 15:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:51 |
| * billmania runs off to read about MeeGo Touch Framework. | 15:51 | |
| alterego | That crazy thread on tmo is hillarious | 15:51 |
| alterego | Making wild guesses, when nothing has really changed wrt Harmattan device. | 15:52 |
| alterego | I don't know about this so-called second device. | 15:52 |
| alterego | I'm still sceptical about that one. | 15:53 |
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| chris_ | How's the CSSU coming along? | 15:54 |
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| Guest62372 | Anyone know the current status of the Community SSU? | 15:59 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/31/review_samsung_solid_immerse_gt_b2710/ | 16:02 |
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| NIN101 | Guest62372 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 16:16 |
| NIN101 | Guest62372 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog | 16:16 |
| Guest62372 | How up-to-date is that? Last I inquired there were still some pretty big package conflict issues. | 16:19 |
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| theoriginalgri | Guest62372: "This page was last modified 12:01, 30 May 2011. | 16:56 |
| theoriginalgri | " | 16:56 |
| theoriginalgri | I have updated today and had no conflicts | 16:57 |
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| Guest62372 | theoriginalgri, Thanks. | 17:01 |
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| cityLights2 | I am spending may last hrs in Germany now | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | general advice to cssu new adopers: mkdir /home/user/stock-backup; cp /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch /home/user/stock-backup/ | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | *prior* to installing cssu | 17:40 |
| cityLights2 | so gray near karlsruhe | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights2: hope you enjoyed our rather nice weather | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: Are you seeing title bar garbage with the latest CSSU? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | karlsruhe maybe a bit too far to the west today | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: still reluctant in testing it | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (general advice) maybe installing backupmenu and doing a full image of rootfs and /opt is the best thing you could do prior to messing with your maemo OS | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you also can forget about the cp suggested above | 17:44 |
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| inz | If anyone is interested, I'm letting maemo-hackers.org expire. | 18:14 |
| inz | Most of you probably didn't even know it existed ;) | 18:15 |
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| theoriginalgri | cityLights: also gray and rain in Augsburg | 18:26 |
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| trumee | Contacts on my desktop dont show their availability now. I even restarted the device, but they dont show their gtalk status. anybody know what could be the issue | 19:11 |
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| trumee | i noticed that Sociality (facebook) app brought with it some qt dependencies, could that be the issue? | 19:11 |
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| trumee | ah, crap. somehow my merged contacts became unmerged. | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 19:17 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.05.31 1550 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 46%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: 75 F (24 C); Wind: from the WNW (290 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) | 19:17 |
| cityLights2 | I am starting to understand why gortex is so importent in germany | 19:17 |
| cityLights2 | I mean running shows with gortex | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're not England ;-) | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually way too little rain recently | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rivers and lakes falling dry | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ad still bright sunny weather here, everybody with a garden hoping for rain | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen MohammadAG | 19:22 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 4h 59m 8s, last said: 'be back in 6 hours'. | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a proper post | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:23 |
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| cityLights2 | maybe next time I can meet maemo developers | 19:36 |
| cityLights2 | btw my UI issue is still unsolved | 19:37 |
| cityLights2 | but I may have a lead | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | o hai | 19:56 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 20:25 |
| b0unc3 | could someone tell me how to fix this error : QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' ? | 20:25 |
| cityLights2 | o o where is the best coffee in frankfurt air port? | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | trying to access a priva5e class? | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | damn hildon | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b0unc3: hard to tell anything, without any context (not that *i* could possibly help when there's better context, but at least I can tell this is a hard to answer question when put this way) | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also see | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 20:38 |
| infobot | methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ask | 20:38 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 20:38 |
| Sicelo | who's here against their will? ;P | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | me!!! | 20:39 |
| Sicelo | lolz.. let me help u out.. /kicban DocScrutinizer | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | joking :) | 20:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 20:41 | |
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| b0unc3 | DocScrutinizer: I know, but it's hard to provide a context sometimes ;) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, the one sourcode line causing the error would actually help a lot, I guess | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | change any var names, const names etc if you think that might be needed | 20:52 |
| b0unc3 | DocScrutinizer: the problem is that I'm trying to run a pure qml code | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:53 |
| b0unc3 | and this problem has no sense for me :( | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm out then, on this particular topic :-) | 20:53 |
| b0unc3 | DocScrutinizer: np | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | but stating the error happened on running QML already provided some context | 20:54 |
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| b0unc3 | DocScrutinizer: ok you convinced me ;) | 20:57 |
| b0unc3 | here is a snippet that cause the error : http://pastebin.ca/2072883 | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now I think that entitles your question to see an answer as soon as somebody familiar with QML runs into it :) | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why does QML code like http://pastebin.ca/2072883 throw an error like >>'QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | b0unc3: on your behalf ;-) | 21:04 |
| b0unc3 | DocScrutinizer: thank you :) | 21:04 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hello ! | 21:07 |
| Khertan_n900 | It s me or maemo extras assistant seems down | 21:07 |
| Khertan_n900 | everytime i try to send a .changelog file i got file upload error | 21:08 |
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| b0unc3 | uhm..another strange thing... it looks like I can't input special chars (like ^) on a qml TextInput, anyone can confirm ? | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this *might* be a known qt bug | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ ? | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if QML is just a C++ wrapper in the end | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, only bug on maemo related to QNAM is some weird shit "was called more than once" | 21:24 |
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| b0unc3 | insert chars from keyboard ( also with fn ) works fine | 21:26 |
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| BCMM | So Nokia Care phoned me (about my USB-less N900). They say they can't fix it, and will replace it. They also said they were out of stock of N900s, and I could either have an N8 or wait another five days. | 21:29 |
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| BCMM | how much can one ebay an unopened n8 for? how much can one get a new n900 for? | 21:30 |
| BCMM | oh wow, has the price of an n900 gone up since they stopped making them? | 21:32 |
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| bindi | ugh | 21:35 |
| bindi | my n900 battery seems to be draining really fast since i installed CSSU and enhanced kernel-power (ulv, 125-850) | 21:35 |
| bindi | in 4 minutes, it has drained a whole 2% D: | 21:36 |
| bindi | and it's 2G and no internet connection | 21:36 |
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| jacekowski | have you overclocked or some other kind of shit like that? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | he said 850 so... | 21:38 |
| bindi | sure, but that's less volts than the stock 600 | 21:38 |
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| lcuk | bindi, battery charge level and available power is also temp controlled, perhaps as your device cooled down it lowered? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | 2% is statistically a blip normally? | 21:39 |
| bindi | it's down to 26.7% now | 21:39 |
| bindi | from 32 something, 8 mins ago | 21:39 |
| lcuk | a watched kettle never boils. | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 21:41 |
| infobot | methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that it's causing powerdrain by itsef, neither does PK | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor cssu (for all we know so far) | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | other N900's been on for a week, running CSSU and stock kernel | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | bindi: so? | 21:46 |
| bindi | maybe I should get rid of the enhanced kernel | 21:46 |
| bindi | jacekowski: hm? | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | bindi: it's not voltage that affects power consumption | 21:46 |
| bindi | I already went back to default clock settings just for lulz | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | bindi: frequency affects it a lot more | 21:46 |
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| bindi | the device seems oddly warm | 21:49 |
| bindi | top doesnt have anything interesting though | 21:49 |
| bindi | hmm | 21:50 |
| bindi | /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/X0rg.0.log -logverbose ... was eating 15 cpu as I opened top | 21:50 |
| bindi | now it's going 2-4%, normal? | 21:50 |
| bindi | 22.2% btw :P | 21:51 |
| bindi | (the battery) | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | check dmesg | 21:53 |
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| bindi | nothing interesting | 21:54 |
| b0unc3 | ok, forget about the last complaint it was my fault ( a focus fault ) | 21:55 |
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| bindi | 18.9% :/ | 21:59 |
| bindi | and it's sitting on the table, screen off obviously | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | what does top show? | 22:00 |
| bindi | that log thingy eats the most | 22:00 |
| bindi | 2-4% | 22:00 |
| dRbiG | DocScrutinizer: lol - the @32@ tokens in the IAP name have to be replaced with single space, and then you have to enclose the whole string | 22:00 |
| dRbiG | great, @32@ what an invention | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | Xorg is the X server, not a "log" thing | 22:01 |
| bindi | hmm | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | so I'd assume your SGX is messed up, and won't be fixed till you reboot | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | of course knowing bme, by the time you reboot you'll have 0 battery | 22:02 |
| bindi | MohammadAG: I know but i referred to it as the log thing :-) | 22:02 |
| bindi | gonna reboot | 22:03 |
| bindi | I pressed pgdn in terminal, Xorg ate 75% and hildon-desktop 14%.. normal? | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | not really, no | 22:04 |
| bindi | lol | 22:05 |
| bindi | 5.9% battery now | 22:05 |
| lcuk | bindi, are those battery levels normalised and inclusive or exclusive of the default system low battery buffering? | 22:05 |
| bindi | wait what | 22:06 |
| lcuk | (because if battery got flat totally you owuld not be able to instantly retry booting from it ;) | 22:06 |
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| bindi | I have no idea what you just said lol | 22:06 |
| bindi | 73 mAh left D: | 22:06 |
| lcuk | I am not so sure either, just carry on with your monitoring | 22:06 |
| lcuk | btw | 22:06 |
| lcuk | "it is just before five past eight." | 22:07 |
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| bindi | so what exactly is the problem here | 22:07 |
| bindi | <.< | 22:07 |
| lcuk | "it is five past eight." | 22:08 |
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| MohammadAG | reboot | 22:08 |
| bindi | Again? D: | 22:08 |
| lcuk | bindi, nothing, you are giving status updates about your battery | 22:08 |
| lcuk | I am reporting on the time | 22:08 |
| bindi | ah, ok | 22:08 |
| lcuk | "it is just after five past eight" | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the device shuts down at 1 past 5 | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | mAh | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, does it use a spoon to do that? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | Again? I assume you rebooted? | 22:09 |
| bindi | yes | 22:09 |
| bindi | and 15% of the charge disappeared | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | what does top say now? | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | well, bme is retarded so that 15 percent probably never existed | 22:09 |
| bindi | I just charged it 3 hours ago <.< | 22:10 |
| Juozapas | is it very difficult to write a script which checks when connect to wireless network if is it Network1 and if it is then open terminal window and run command ? | 22:10 |
| bindi | Xorg is still 2-5%, others <1% | 22:10 |
| lcuk | bindi, I am reciting from: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_200647.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | 2-5 is acceptable | 22:10 |
| bindi | good for you | 22:10 |
| bindi | MohammadAG: still pressing pgup/dn makes xorg jump to 70% | 22:11 |
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| willer_ | maemo extra assistant seems to be down, anyone can confirm? I got: "File upload error." | 22:11 |
| bindi | perhaps I should charge it full and see how the battery drains now? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | osso-xterm causes that, I suggest reading over ssh | 22:11 |
| Juozapas | and this bug still on grr http://www.flickr.com/photos/59703047@N05/5460137490/in/photostream | 22:11 |
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| bindi | dont see anything out of order in here | 22:12 |
| bindi | omap2_mcspi jumping to 1-2% every now and then but thats it | 22:13 |
| bindi | top and sshd eating 1%, and others barely anything | 22:14 |
| bindi | barely nothing even | 22:15 |
| bindi | the drain seems to be stable now though | 22:16 |
| bindi | and the device is colder | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | is per chip/feature power drain now detectable? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | or is it still a general overall and guestimate? | 22:17 |
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| Sazpaimon | is there a way to use the N900 as a USB bluetooth adapter | 22:24 |
| Sazpaimon | like, say I wanted to use my BH-905 on my desktop, but lack a bluetooth adapter, can I use the N900 with the usb cable as a passthru to the desktop? | 22:26 |
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| teilzeitstudent | that would actually be fun. but i dont think it'll work the way you describe it. but maybe you can use a pc suite mode/pulse audio server combo? no idea how, though. | 22:32 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah probably a better way would be to make the N900 become a bluetooth dongle | 22:33 |
| Sazpaimon | wouldnt a pulseaudio server require i stream all sound to my N900? | 22:34 |
| Sazpaimon | kind of overkill if you ask me | 22:34 |
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| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: you could do it | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: as in hardware can do it | 22:35 |
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| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: there is no software however | 22:35 |
| teilzeitstudent | you can use different "sound cards" for different applications. i.e. make everything use the default, built-in stuff and your audio player the n900 one. at least under linux it works | 22:35 |
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| Sazpaimon | jacekowski, you mean no drivers that can communicate with the bluetooth reciever on the pc side? | 22:36 |
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| jacekowski | no drivers on n900 side | 22:38 |
| Sazpaimon | ah | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | n900 can emulate any usb device | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | as long as you write drivers for that | 22:38 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I'll bite the bullet and get one of those cheapo usb bluetooth dongles | 22:39 |
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| jacekowski | i have small one that's barely bigger than usb port itsef | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | itself | 22:40 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 22:40 |
| Sazpaimon | if I can spend $200 on headphones, I can spend another $5 on a usb dongle | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | $200 on bluetooth headphones? | 22:41 |
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| Sazpaimon | its the nokia bh-905i | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | i have "nice" motorola headphones | 22:41 |
| Sazpaimon | they're really not bad for noise cancelling headphones | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | bluetooth ones | 22:42 |
| _trine | how can you remove an update notification for an update you dont want | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | and i've never seen worse headphones | 22:42 |
| Sazpaimon | _trine, hold back the package | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | i mean it works nicely over cable | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dRbiG: sounds like you're talking about wpa keys or sth - sorry I lost context somewhere on my stack | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | but over bluetooth it's piece of crap | 22:42 |
| _trine | Sazpaimon, yes how would I do that | 22:42 |
| Sazpaimon | jacekowski, thats what I was afraid of with these phones, but they actually perform really well over bluetooth | 22:42 |
| Sazpaimon | _trine, sudo echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections | 22:43 |
| Sazpaimon | or aptitude hold packagename | 22:44 |
| Sazpaimon | if you have aptitude | 22:44 |
| Sazpaimon | im not completely sure if that stops HAM for annoying you, but it should | 22:44 |
| _trine | Its telling me to update the firmware but its already at 1.3 | 22:45 |
| _trine | I have 2 n900's and they have both got the same update today | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that sounds strange | 22:46 |
| Sazpaimon | are you sure that isn't CSSU? | 22:47 |
| _trine | Maemo 5 | 22:47 |
| Sazpaimon | there was a CSSU update yesterday | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been no maemo5 update lately | 22:47 |
| _trine | dont know what a CSSU is | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | the community softeware-repository | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 22:47 |
| infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 22:48 |
| _trine | Maemo 5 20.20.10.36-2 is what its saying | 22:49 |
| _trine | it says it has problems which are | 22:49 |
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| keks-n | sup | 22:50 |
| keks-n | I've got a reboot loop | 22:50 |
| _trine | missing 0sso-wlan(=3.0.20+0m5) | 22:50 |
| keks-n | with kernel power | 22:50 |
| keks-n | It booted perfectly with multiboot before | 22:50 |
| keks-n | But I've removed multiboot and installed kernel-power and kernel-power-flasher | 22:51 |
| _trine | it might be because I updated the osso I think yesterday so it could be related | 22:51 |
| _trine | but I would just like to get rid of the notification | 22:51 |
| keks-n | Still can boot the original kernel from the original firmware | 22:51 |
| keks-n | Any ideas? | 22:51 |
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| _trine | how do I type the pipe command on the n900 KB | 22:56 |
| keks-n | You have to modify the keymap | 22:57 |
| _trine | ah ok | 22:57 |
| keks-n | BTW, how does uboot work? | 22:57 |
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| keks-n | I've tried to flash it, but see no any menus | 22:58 |
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| keks-n | only reboots in a loop | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sigh!!!! | 23:03 |
| myuu | hi | 23:04 |
| Creteil | http://www.youtube.com/v/k2H-SOqbQoA lol | 23:04 |
| myuu | no menus? | 23:04 |
| _trine | keks-n, you could reflash the phone completely | 23:04 |
| myuu | I dont use uboot per say | 23:04 |
| myuu | but my boot manager requires the keyboard to be open | 23:05 |
| keks-n | I can just reinstall multiboot, I think | 23:05 |
| myuu | otherwise it will boot into the last one | 23:05 |
| _trine | plug it into the usb cable and keep the 'u' key pressed | 23:05 |
| _trine | then it will let you flash it | 23:05 |
| keks-n | But I want to have ubuntu running on my device | 23:05 |
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| keks-n | And I cann't run it with multiboot | 23:05 |
| myuu | have you tried easydeb? | 23:05 |
| myuu | I mean I know its not the same | 23:05 |
| keks-n | It's very slow -_- | 23:06 |
| Creteil | http://www.youtube.com/v/T819usZLQtE :-) | 23:06 |
| keks-n | And it's just lenny | 23:06 |
| keks-n | Which is outdated | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:26:52] <DocScrutinizer> the worst thing about it: if it does, you're back to a rootfs+kernel reflash | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:27:35] <DocScrutinizer> usual diagnose: kernel doesn't match modules -> bootloop -> you have to reflash | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:28:09] <DocScrutinizer> recover other than reflash is difficult at best, usually mere impossible | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:29:28] <DocScrutinizer> standard user quote: "I installed nitdroid, then I installed powerkernel, now device does bootloop. HLP PLZZZ!" | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:30:19] <DocScrutinizer> s/installed powerkernel/updated to new powerkernel/ | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-31 18:31:03] <DocScrutinizer> there are an arbitrary number of variations to the theme ;-) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLEASE SEE /topic!!! | 23:07 |
| myuu | lol | 23:07 |
| keks-n | Hm, I've managed to run kernel-power-46 | 23:07 |
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| keks-n | But still have no idea about setting up multiboot | 23:08 |
| keks-n | s/multiboot/uboot/ | 23:08 |
| infobot | keks-n meant: But still have no idea about setting up uboot | 23:08 |
| keks-n | wow | 23:08 |
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| Scorcerer | is there a way to create shortcut to command line app (bash) on desktop? | 23:09 |
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| keks-n | You should run osso-xterm | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | queenBeecon | 23:10 |
| keks-n | with your app in the cmdline | 23:10 |
| Scorcerer | yeah, but i'm trying to replace busybox/ash with coreutils/bash, and don't want to end with dev that needs reflash (so no digging in shadow) | 23:11 |
| keks-n | Ehm | 23:12 |
| Scorcerer | and i figured the easiest way would be shortcut to xterm/bash and all coreutils aliased in .bashrc | 23:12 |
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| Scorcerer | or there is better way ? | 23:12 |
| keks-n | Did you tried usermod -s /bin/bash user? | 23:12 |
| Scorcerer | after reading some forum posts i thought it will result in my n900 not booting anymore... | 23:13 |
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| keks-n | [1|root@Nokia-N900|~]uname -a | 23:14 |
| keks-n | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power47 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 3 20:40:52 EEST 2011 armv7l unknown | 23:14 |
| keks-n | wtf | 23:14 |
| keks-n | So I have to rebuild uboot-power with new kernel image, right? | 23:14 |
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| cityLights2 | where is 0x47 ? | 23:16 |
| keks-n | wut? | 23:16 |
| keks-n | key <AB04> { [ v, V, slash, bar, Cyrillic_em, Cyrillic_EM, slash, | 23:18 |
| keks-n | I have something like that | 23:18 |
| keks-n | For | | 23:18 |
| keks-n | When I press Shift+Fn+V | 23:18 |
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| Scorcerer | ok, so i changed ma default user shell to bash, now i've got a couple of new questions: | 23:21 |
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| Scorcerer | 1. can i add keychain startup to .bashrc, or will that stop my device from booting ? | 23:21 |
| keks-n | Ehm | 23:21 |
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| keks-n | Just try, lol | 23:22 |
| keks-n | Anyway you can boot a resque image | 23:22 |
| Scorcerer | 2. why isn't defalt prompt look like user@device~: but smth like bash-2.0~: ? | 23:22 |
| keks-n | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ - did you read it? | 23:23 |
| Scorcerer | no, but i will in a moment | 23:23 |
| keks-n | The simplest prompt would be a single character, such as:[giles@nikola giles]$ PS1=$ | 23:23 |
| keks-n | $ls | 23:23 |
| keks-n | bin mail | 23:23 |
| keks-n | $ | 23:23 |
| Scorcerer | is there an easy way to replace busybox with coreutils, or i need to alias all commands in bashrc ? | 23:23 |
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| keks-n | I think you can just fix the PATH variable | 23:24 |
| keks-n | It your /etc/profile (it looks like that .bashrc isn't executed always | 23:24 |
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| keks-n | s/It /In / | 23:25 |
| infobot | keks-n meant: In your /etc/profile (it looks like that .bashrc isn't executed always | 23:25 |
| Scorcerer | thanks :) | 23:26 |
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| Arkenoi | If i switch to an alternative browser, can i kill browserd forever so it would not eat up memory? | 23:34 |
| keks-n | You may lose chats in this case | 23:35 |
| Arkenoi | damn | 23:35 |
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| ruskie | what do chats have to do with browserd? | 23:39 |
| Robot101 | the chat UI embeds browser views to render the chats | 23:40 |
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| ruskie | well wouldn't it just lanuch it if it needs it? | 23:40 |
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| Robot101 | yeah but that means it will keep being started - so it wouldn't be "killed forever" like Arkenoi asked | 23:41 |
| D_Cent | hi, how can i get the lock screen with a slider for my n900? i don't want it to ask me for a code every time i lock it | 23:41 |
| ruskie | erm | 23:42 |
| ruskie | disable the code? | 23:42 |
| ruskie | to get the slider hit the power button while the screen is offline | 23:42 |
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| D_Cent | how can i do that? if i press change and leave the code empty, i cannot press the accept button | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scorcerer: I got bash installed, coreutils and *-gnu installed, and I have /usr/bin/gnu first pos in my $PATH | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scorcerer: I'm not sure if changing user's default shell is safe meanwhile - has and still may cause bootloop | 23:44 |
| Scorcerer | i managed to get keychain auto-starting with bash (i copied my bashrc rom laptop, where it first checks if it's interactive shell...) | 23:44 |
| Scorcerer | didn't cause bootloop here | 23:44 |
| Scorcerer | at least, not yet (i rebooted it once, like 5 mins ago) | 23:45 |
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| Scorcerer | DocScrutinizer: and if you don't have bash as default shell, then after each xterm start you first type 'bash' ? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's not bash that's causing bootloops, but some of the idiosyncrasies of busybox builtins that the initscripts rely on. So a setup with bash as default shell may work as long as it's still calling busybox for things like ls, ln, mount, whatnot. It may break at random time when you install the related *utils pkg | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scorcerer: indeed I'm doing this right now, though feeling a bit foolish with it | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I can't give advice as I haven't tested better ways to setup | 23:48 |
| Scorcerer | that's where my first question comes in: is it possible to make custom shortcut on desktop ? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, you could call xterm with some ENV var set | 23:49 |
| Scorcerer | if it's doable, then we'll make custom xterm running bash and whatnot :) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even call xterm to execute bash | 23:49 |
| Scorcerer | see? much better :) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | xterm itself is agnostic about the shell it runs I'd guess | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | It may run /bin/sh, dunno | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | had to RTFM | 23:51 |
| Scorcerer | for now it rund default shell | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | check how midnight-commander icon works | 23:51 |
| Scorcerer | where are desktop shortcuts stored ? | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/share/application/hildon or sth | 23:52 |
| keks-n | Still cann't run u-boot | 23:52 |
| keks-n | Even with compiled with the new kernel | 23:53 |
| Scorcerer | thanks | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Exec=osso-xterm -e mc | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for midnight-commander | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -e bash should suffice | 23:55 |
| Scorcerer | yup | 23:56 |
| Scorcerer | it works | 23:56 |
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| Funnyface | wow samba is slow on the N900 :S | 23:57 |
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| Funnyface | 0.3MB/s | 23:58 |
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