IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-05-27

firstormalso i ntoiced if someone rings me the screen doesn't light up / flash n tell me it only shows when i slide screen up?00:00
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: orly? tell me more00:04
merlin1991who of you guys played with my notebooks monitor cable?00:05
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merlin1991it seems to have gottan a loose contact00:06
dangergrrldrwxr-xr-x  3 ariana ariana 4096 Sep 10  2010 /targets/FREMANTLE_X86/opt/00:11
dangergrrli presume the gui already did this step for me...00:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, opening systemui drops audio00:12
merlin1991now it doesn't boot anymore :(00:12
DocScrutinizernot really much of a surprise00:12
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the policy enforcer is *closed  *complex  *crap and **pukeaudio**00:14
DocScrutinizerand still I think it's nowere documented at all00:15
MohammadAGlibplayback? ha00:15
MohammadAGbug 6694 was lulz00:16
povbotBug libplayback missing -doc package00:16
DocScrutinizerso what do you expect from it when it comes to scenario where it has to switch from state B -> state green and back00:16
DocScrutinizerI doubt there's even a proper concept for that00:17
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DocScrutinizerfor mce LED patterns you at very least got a "stack" of signals, with priorities and all. Where's that thing for audio policies?00:18
merlin1991MohammadAG: new camera ui tells me: no access to memory, cannot save00:18
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dangergrrlso, once i have the whole SDK installed, what should i build? :)00:20
DocScrutinizerI.E. who's switching mixer back to the special setup I need for my telephone answering machine, when there's a high priority system alert (read bat low warning) firing during a managed call00:20
dangergrrlyes, i installed the sdk and had no specific thing i wanted to build yet00:20
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: try Qt's hello world ;-)00:21
dangergrrlthanks, that's a plan00:22
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I don't even get it how to adjust volume for sounds via cmdline playsound00:23
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: it's all just an incredible mess00:23
dangergrrlthat's kinda what i was asking for exactly something that should work without too much difficulty00:24
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dangergrrli want to try to port miro but may well give up once i start00:24
dangergrrlitś player is at least gstreamer based00:24
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dangergrrlkernels are more my speed than gui apps ;)00:25
DocScrutinizerseems javispedro knows a tiny tad more about how audio works00:25
cehtehhehe .. microsoft will be not amused00:28
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merlin1991hm reverted camera-ui to meamo version, that one DID work00:30
SpeedEvilSkype is down for lots.00:30
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merlin1991but what strikes me odd, is that the error was localized, but I see no localization in the new ui source00:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, sigh, I'm trying to find workarounds00:30
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merlin1991now upgraded again to cssu camera-ui and it still works, WTF?00:31
dangergrrlit is removing maemo-sdk-sounds when i add the nokia packages, i presume that is ok00:32
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm guessing you're restarting camera-ui between all this00:32
dangergrrl(since i don't have a choice)00:32
MohammadAGdangergrrl, fine00:32
merlin1991MohammadAG: yea restarting whole device00:33
MohammadAGthe SDK doesn't support sounds anyway00:33
MohammadAGtsk tsk tsk merlin199100:33
MohammadAGdsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui00:33
MohammadAGdsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui00:33
merlin1991I guess camera-ui starts to fail over time00:33
DocScrutinizermmmpf isn't there an event script for that?00:34
merlin1991got meego sd in my n900, tells me storage format not supported when trying to go to it on file manager00:34
merlin1991I think that'd be a good candiate for cssu00:35
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merlin1991updating the automount to ext filesystems too00:35
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DocScrutinizerno friggin camera-ui job in initctl00:43
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DocScrutinizergrrrm ofcourse, whatelse00:44
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DocScrutinizerthanks MohammadAG00:44
merlin1991so much for me doing some meego dev, my linux notebook went mental
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billmaniamerlin1991: Are you referring to the indication of your ubuntu notebook executing a periodic filesystem check? That's normal behavior, not a sign of mental illness.00:55
merlin1991billmania:  I refer to the err perfect screen00:55
firstormman windows sucks so badly!00:55
merlin1991them lines are not from the pic00:55
merlin1991they are there in reality too00:55
merlin1991and it doesn't get past boot screen00:55
merlin1991billmania: ^^00:56
billmaniamerlin1991: Ah. The fsck is still running? What is the size of your filesystem(s)?00:56
merlin1991nono fsck went through fine00:56
merlin1991but screen halts then00:56
merlin1991welcome sound starts play and then breaks in the middle00:56
merlin1991after that stalled screen with artifacts all over it00:57
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, graphics card fucked up by the looks of it01:01
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: resettle your chips (ram, cpu?, *cards...)01:06
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DocScrutinizerHDD, optical drive...01:07
DocScrutinizeralso check BIOS settings (and bios setting is working at all)01:07
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DocScrutinizertry booting a live cd01:08
DocScrutinizerflip the LCD back and forth and see if the patterns on screen change01:09
DocScrutinizerclosely watch POST logs on screen for anything suspicious01:10
jacekowskitry windows on it01:10
jacekowskiwindows works all the time01:10
jacekowskiit coule be some mess with KMS or stuff01:11
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DocScrutinizer(I assume you know how to get POST and linux boot console on buntkuh - ESC?)01:12
jacekowskiremove silent or quiet from kernel commandline01:14
jacekowskiin grub01:14
merlin1991somethings really fscked this should be the bios:
jogaheh, looks familiar...01:14
jogamerlin1991, overheated often? fan stuck=01:14
merlin1991none of that01:15
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jogatried pressing it? ;)01:15
jacekowskido some voodo01:15
jogaI have a laptop that does the same thing01:15
jogahad also another at work, both can be pressed hard and the image gets fixed if you keep pressing ;P the other on has definitely suffered some heat damage, a crappy amilo01:16
merlin1991the weird thing is, that it can't be only the display controler or something01:16
merlin1991because it doesn't get past the autologin to ubuntu01:16
jacekowskiit's probably memory01:16
merlin1991the welcom sounds starts, but then starts to repeate at some point01:16
merlin1991jacekowski: I removed both ram sticks once01:16
jacekowskior memory controller01:16
merlin1991what's the chance of both going to fail at the same time01:16
jogamerlin1991, but it does run cool? temperature is normal?01:16
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jacekowskijoga: laptops can run at 90C01:17
merlin1991temperature is normal01:17
jogajacekowski, yeah and die eventually01:17
merlin1991atm it's comepletely cold01:17
merlin1991the thing that really strikes me odd is, I used it not 2 hours ago and everything was fine back then01:17
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jogaI've found the ultimate fix for "can you do something about my laptop, it doesn't turn on / it shuts down randomly / it's messed up" is to disassemble it and blow out *all* the dust and crap on each and every part and especially the system fan01:18
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jogabut if you have it that bad I don't think a simple dusting will help anymore01:18
merlin1991dedusted it 2 weeks ago :D01:18
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merlin1991and also yea01:18
merlin1991if that's overheat damage it's past getting ok by dedusting again :D01:19
jogabut the amilo did exactly that when it got hot01:19
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jogaand eventually, it just stuck, the display was nothing but a mess01:19
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merlin1991I had it once in the summer running hot to about 75°C, but then it did flicker and stuff, but not this mess01:19
jacekowskitemperature doesn't damage electronics that easily01:20
merlin1991(but that was 2 years ago)01:20
jacekowskieverything spends quite a bit of time in reflow oven at 200C+01:20
MohammadAG<merlin1991> because it doesn't get past the autologin to ubuntu01:20
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jogajacekowski, that's what I thought too, but if you google for amilo temperature graphics problem or something there's a lot of stuff01:20
MohammadAGgraphics card, I'll  bet on it too01:20
jacekowskijoga: that's what people think01:20
jacekowskijoga: blaming temperature is easiest01:20
jacekowskijoga: but it's same graphic card as in other laptops01:21
jogajacekowski, I actually blame where they put the graphics chip01:21
* merlin1991 wants the laptop to be a newer model ffs01:21
jacekowskijoga: it's process related01:21
merlin1991it's old enough that the chip even though ati is still onboard01:21
jogabut I didn't care to study it because it was the worst laptop I had seen probably01:21
jacekowskijoga: soldering fails rather most often01:21
jacekowskijoga: because of mechanical stresses01:21
jacekowskijoga: when stuff is heating up/cooling down01:21
merlin1991my newer laptop has the graphics chip plugable01:22
jogajacekowski, yeah and these people throw around their laptops etc01:22
jacekowskii have old sony vaio01:22
jacekowski4th year now01:22
jogathe weirdest gfx related problem I've had will dell d63001:22
jacekowskibought in 200701:22
jacekowskiand it's still working fine01:22
jogaoh and it also has such a bug:
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jacekowskiand it took quite a bit of abuse01:23
jacekowskilike being dropped onto steel floor in container01:23
joga(s/will/has been with/)01:24
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jacekowskii had that kind of stuff happen to me01:27
jacekowskibut that was LCD grounding problem01:27
jogahardware quirks are the most entertaining though01:28
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: reseat all your plugged components, incl (flat)cables01:28
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: obviously there's something odd with addressing01:28
DocScrutinizerof ram01:28
merlin1991yea, taking it apart atm01:28
DocScrutinizervideo ram01:28
merlin1991video ram prob01:28
jogabut sleep time now...good night01:28
merlin1991tried to remove one of the ram slots each, but same story with only 1 slot (both of them)01:29
DocScrutinizeractually mostly looks like a short between a addr and data line01:29
merlin1991hm should it get till bios without system ram?01:30
DocScrutinizerbut it's actually hard to tell, except for the bit that it affects both video buffer and CPU opcode01:30
DocScrutinizerusually not nowadays01:31
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* merlin1991 is trying to remove as many components as possible01:31
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merlin1991hm removed everything but 1 ram (used another one here that should still work)01:38
merlin1991same result01:38
MohammadAGit's the graphics card :p01:39
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FIQ|n900Hi. Something doesn't feel right here. I was going to copy over my microSD card's content to MyDocs. Checked how much space it used -- 5G. Fine. Checking how much space left on MyDocs. 25G - Fine. Copying, but after 51MB, N900 completly stopped responding, and forced me to do a hard reboot. After doing so, MyDocs is read-only. How can I check why this is the case?01:44
merlin1991FIQ|n900: I had similar thing yestserday01:44
FIQ|n900Also checked space after that operation, and nothing is full or anything like that.01:44
merlin1991another reboot made mydocs normal again01:44
merlin1991in my case it was an unzip operation on some 400mb that cause it01:45
FIQ|n900One other thing I just noticed is that for just one hour ago, this appears in maemo-optify's log: 2011-05-27 00:30:55 :: not enough free space in /home (need at least 200 MB free), quitting.01:45
FIQ|n900That's incorrect, I have 1.5MB free in /home, which is enough, why does it say it's too short on space?01:46
FIQ|n900Er, 1.5GB*01:46
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FIQ|n900anyway, going to try a reboot01:47
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ever seen ?01:51
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MoonTigerhi guys :)01:51
FIQ|n900It worked, but only partially01:51
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FIQ|n900Started to copy agai, but after some copies, it went read-only again01:51
MoonTigeranybody know how i can get a cursor on the xephyr screen?01:51
FIQ|n900This time w/o reboot01:51
FIQ|n900Maybe the files it tries to copy over is corrupted?01:52
derfMore likely the filesystem you're copying too is corrupt.01:52
FIQ|n900That seems fair01:52
derfThe vfat driver makes the fs read-only when it finds a problem.01:53
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FIQ|n900Well, I haven't anything that I care of in that partition, so I guess I will just try a reformat, after doing a quick check if i want to keep anything in there01:54
* Sicelo has seen that before :)01:54
derfYou can probably just run fsck on it.01:54
Sicelo& iirc, DocScrutinizer mentioned the method here some time ago01:54
MohammadAGfirst time I've seen it01:54
derfFAT gets corrupted all the time, especially with a Maemo device that spontaneously reboots and runs out of battery all the time.01:55
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Siceloi'm not sure if he mentioned the link, but he did explain about the pinout and suggested some method to use it01:56
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ShadowJKMy device never reboots :P02:00
SpeedEvilMy leading cause of reboots is stopping the wrong watchdogged things.02:01
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ShadowJKI've had a couple of times when I ran out of battery without bme running, that's a harsh shutdown :)02:02
ShadowJKUsually with bme running, running out of battery is a clean shutdown02:02
SpeedEvilShadowJK: That too.02:02
SpeedEvilShadowJK: But 3280 (or wahtever it is) to 2750 is a useful amount of power.02:03
MoonTigerwow this sb stuff is so f***ing frustrating02:03
ShadowJKIt's not that useful really, just a few minutes :)02:03
SpeedEvilAround an hour of mp302:04
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FIQ|n900the fsck helped, ty02:06
derfYer welcome.02:07
merlin1991fu acer02:09
merlin1991poweron controller is part of the main frame02:09
merlin1991now I'll need to find the right pins02:10
Gizmokid2005is there any way I can see what exactly is causing my N900 to not connect to my Wifi network all of a sudden? Instead of just "network connection error."02:10
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: now I have seen it :-D02:19
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merlin1991hm I got it into enough parts to get to the graphics chip02:33
merlin1991bastard is soldered on the mainboard02:33
merlin1991I'll need a new board02:33
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: actually I mentioned exactly these pad some time ago here when we were discussing cradle designs, and I had same concerns back then as I posted now to this tmo thread02:36
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ping02:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I just had a closer look at the actually only 40 lines notification. Nice! One question though: AIUI there's that option to either close the taskswitcher thumbnail ( [x]), or click either of both the short notifier yellow bar or the taskswitcher yellow window to usually start e.g modest for new mails, phone for missed calls, dialogs for SMS... Could this be done with your code as well, e.g. by returning 0 when clicking on the03:00
DocScrutinizerthumbnail and 1 for closing the thumbnail in taskswitcher? (or am I totally off and the thing looks completely different to what I thought it does?)03:00
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: by any chance you have an acer aspire 1650 you don't need anymore lying around? :P03:06
DocScrutinizeralas not03:06
DocScrutinizerI have an old dusty EeePC701 with dead battery :-)03:07
merlin1991nope that motherboard doesn't fit :D03:07
DocScrutinizerlol, I bet it fits03:07
DocScrutinizerit's really small03:07
merlin1991btw I found out that for bluetooth in mine only the module is missing03:08
merlin1991even the cable is in the case03:08
DocScrutinizerthere's almost always something to plug in that's contained for next better model of that series03:09
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merlin1991in this case it's just the business version of the same thing :D03:09
merlin1991I think the model is too old, can't find any motherboards on ebay except for some crazy us deals03:10
DocScrutinizeralas the modules are prohibitively expensive to get as a spare part, usually03:10
merlin1991and original parts from acer resellers are 350€ and up03:10
DocScrutinizeryeah :-/03:11
DocScrutinizereither you get it fixed somehow, or you'll better get a new laptop03:11
merlin1991well I do have another one (the one I'm using atm)03:12
merlin1991but it's my first own pc/laptop I ever got, so it's sad to bin it :D03:12
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DocScrutinizerbtw did BIOS still "work" or was it also frozen?03:12
merlin1991bios did "work"03:12
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merlin1991but the graphics chip is soldered on, so no chance replacing that one03:13
merlin1991and it could be something on the board03:13
DocScrutinizerI'm not completely sold to the gfxchip idea03:13
merlin1991that was the bios
DocScrutinizerI've seen it03:13
DocScrutinizeryou don't get any POST beeps?03:14
DocScrutinizeryou tried VGA?03:14
merlin1991yep same result03:14
DocScrutinizerSAME result? o.O03:14
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merlin1991vga was the first thing I tried :D03:15
DocScrutinizeryeah it's definitely something hw/soldering then, if there's no short in one of the ram sockets03:15
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DocScrutinizeris this a UMA model? (or whatever it's called, the gfx which shares RAM with CPU ram)03:17
merlin1991it has 64 dedicated video ram03:17
merlin1991dunno if it shares too03:17
merlin1991I think it's some soldering issue, because if it hit it the pattern changes03:18
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merlin1991vga pic for the lulz
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snappyIm in the app manager, i've clicked update, and for some reason i can't see the openssh server/client or rootsh in the packages (i clicked all)03:46
snappyi think all the catalogues are updated, Ova, Nokia, maemo, etc.03:46
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merlin1991snappy: when you go to xterm and type "apt-cache policy openssh" what do you get?03:54
snappyoh heh, its installed03:55
snappyi must've instaleld all of this already then03:55
snappyoh yeah, duh, looks like i did03:56
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dangergrrl7.5G used for the 32 bit ubuntu vm with just maemo 5 sdk03:59
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: (hit it) that's great news04:38
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: no really. This means it can get fixed, not a burnout chip04:38
merlin1991yea but I got no equipment to solder that kind of stuff04:38
merlin1991not exactly the best idea to start soldering somthing where the soldering iron tip is 20 times the size of the pin :/04:40
merlin1991and I also don't know wich part is loose, because if I apply pressure pretty much anywhere on the board the pattern changes04:41
DocScrutinizerthat's an expert's job04:41
merlin1991aka expensive job :D04:41
DocScrutinizerhmm, depends04:41
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: Swapping out the motehraboard can be inexpenive in some cases via ebay if you get a smashed screen one04:42
DocScrutinizeryou could get away with sth like one hours alias 50EUR04:42
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: Wehre are you?04:42
merlin1991SpeedEvil: been looking around can't get any damaged models, only boards but that only from the us too04:42
merlin1991so I'm @ ~100€ min04:42
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SpeedEvilI forget - is Austria in the eurozone?04:43
merlin1991between germany and italy04:43
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I gather CPU is soldered as well?04:43
merlin1991actually not04:43
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could start poking it with a stick - and see what is most sensitive to poking.04:44
DocScrutinizeryou reseated it?04:44
merlin1991I didn't, but it's on a plastic sockel04:44
DocScrutinizeryeah, sure04:45
merlin1991where it says foxconn on it oO04:45
DocScrutinizerthose are always foxconn it seems04:45
merlin1991just took it out to really test, yep it's not soldered :D04:46
DocScrutinizerI'd not search for bad soldering before I checked *ALL* contact connectors04:47
DocScrutinizerCPU socket is a popular point of failure04:47
merlin1991there's nothing left04:47
merlin1991except for the cpu socket04:47
merlin1991so I reseated cpu, time to try again :D04:48
DocScrutinizereven if it doesn't work instantly - as long as *anything* changed on symptoms that's be a good sign04:51
merlin1991same symptoms04:51
DocScrutinizertake a hard stick (glass, spoon) and gently tap all chips04:52
DocScrutinizerknock knock, anybody home?04:53
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merlin1991I'll do that tomorrow, now I'm too tired :D04:55
DocScrutinizerI feel withya04:55
merlin1991night #maemo04:56
* DocScrutinizer glares at MX revolution mouse with its fsckdup switches >:-(04:56
merlin1991oh I had several logitech mice who decided to have broken buttons one day04:57
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DocScrutinizerall have same dirt cheap crappy chinese switch04:58
merlin1991my current razer survived abour 3 years by now though :D04:58
DocScrutinizerand I guess I won't find a matching high quality cherry switch to replace them04:59
DocScrutinizerswitches are a real pita, as they have so many parameters (mechanically) that need to match exactly for the spare part05:01
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dangergrrlmein headrspinnen07:01
dangergrrlwhere do i find /etc/apt/sources.list for $(TARGET)?07:01
dangergrrli have an emacs running in the development guest07:02
dangergrrlitś not /scratchbox/etc/apt07:02
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dangergrrlwhere is the scratchbox chroot? pls?07:19
dangergrrlif you can ride a motorcycle to colorado iĺl marry you off to a friend if you help :P07:20
ds3trying to raffle off Ogres?07:21
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GonzoTheGreat_cd /scratchbox/users/<YOU>/targets/FREMANTLE_<XYZ>/etc/apt07:25
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GonzoTheGreat_dangergrrl: that was for you of course08:01
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dangergrrli am losing mental functions08:37
dangergrrlhi KMFDM08:37
dangergrrlnot with the band i presume they are in seattle last i read08:38
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lolcatThe EEE Pad Transformer has a dual core Cortex cpu, does that mean it will be like the N900?11:10
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psycho_oreosI wonder how does it become like N90011:22
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psycho_oreosIt doesn't run maemo, it doesn't have slide out keyboard, it doesn't have cellular capability, and I'm sure there's more other things missing compared to N90011:26
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robbiethe1stSpeaking of other devices... I just saw one of those Motorola xoom tablets at Fred Meyer's today. Looks cool, UI's OK I suppose... But damn does it feel laggy!11:29
ccookerobbiethe1st: an unfortunate name, then :-/11:30
ccookeMy n900 died last night. I may have to steal my wife's11:30
robbiethe1stWebpages load fast, but pressing the "list program"/dashboard button(i.e. ctrl+backspace on the n900) takes like 200+ms before it starts to respond, then renders a beautiful animation for another couple hundred11:30
robbiethe1stMeaning that it /feels/ sluggish.11:31
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psycho_oreosccooke, what, how11:34
ccookepsycho_oreos: pass. Won't turn on. I *is* one of the first retail ones, and has had the USB socket repaired twice.11:35
ccookeIt, even11:35
* ccooke is now stuck on the desire Z, which... well, I *like* android in theory, but... 11:36
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psycho_oreosah that, I guess you could try a nasty hack of using 3000mAh battery hack with mugen back cover and getting a 2mm charge port wired up11:36
ccookehmm. Hadn't heard that one.11:36
ccookeI'll pass, I think :-)11:37
psycho_oreosits nothing special, and you won't get your USB functionality back11:37
ccookeI'm due an upgrade soon. Might have to look at the n9, see if it's decent11:37
psycho_oreosthat's if they do release it11:37
ccookewell, it's looking more promising than it was a few weeks back11:38
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ccookeand Nokia did actually claim to be doing long-term meego work a day or two ago11:38
ccookewhich came as a surprise11:38
psycho_oreosfor now it is :D11:38
ccookeQuite possibly to the meego people11:38
ccookepsycho_oreos: thing is... I like the n900, and that is an orphan phone. If the n9 is a similar level of nice-to-use, I won't actually care much if it becomes an orphan11:39
ccookeit'll give me another two years or so before I need to think of trying Android again, for a start :-)11:39
robbiethe1stI may be interested, so long as it's still got a good old Xterm on it, with root available11:40
robbiethe1stand an unlocked bootloader11:40
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ccookeIt's a damn shame it won't be running maemo, though11:41
psycho_oreosits partially a good thing that N900 is deemed as `rare' and `occult' for people who still hold onto theirs. However truth be told that it does get irritating seeing fancy addons not for N900 but for other common brands11:41
robbiethe1stIt.. may. Apparently, it's part maemo, with the MeeGo UI... at least, that was the plan 5 months ago11:41
ccookerobbiethe1st: huh. That's not what the meego people were saying a few months back11:42
robbiethe1stI'm just saying what I heard from one of my contacts, who left nokia about 5 months ago said...11:42
psycho_oreosI'll see what people say about N9 (if it ever rolls) before buying one. For now I remain highly skeptical of what sort of hardware will be made available in N9. They really didn't combine the best of the technologies for the N90011:42
robbiethe1stBut what I /really/ want is something with all that(or even Android with unlocked bootloader) and a 1024x600 5" or so screen. High res like our N900, but slightly bigger.11:43
ccookepsycho_oreos: I disagree. The N900 was a great phone for the time and lineage11:43
robbiethe1stVery true.11:43
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ccookerobbiethe1st: if the n9 fails to pan out, I'll be looking at the droid 3. 4" screen, five row keyboard...11:44
ccookeof course, it could be a larger keyboard like the n810...11:44
ccooke(which was at best "okay")11:44
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psycho_oreosccooke, heh I don't agree to that. If it was such a great phone of its time then why was it not so popular and why weren't critical hardware flaws were quickly addressed? Nor was there any minor revision updates (apart from cpu rev changes) to keep holding the fort? :)11:46
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robbiethe1stMohammadAG: I haven't tried it yet, but is there anything in HEN that'd preclude the use of a  standard USB->serial adaptor(shows up on my Linux desktop as /dev/ttyUSB0)?11:46
ccookepsycho_oreos: okay, let's answer that :-)11:46
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MohammadAGrobbiethe1st, yes, someone did that in the hostmode thread11:46
robbiethe1stOh, good. thanks11:47
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robbiethe1stI'm gonna get an adaptor setup, and thanks to Minicom on easy debian, I'll be able to use my n900 to send/recieve data to my CNC Mill11:47
ccookepsycho_oreos: 1) It wasn't popular because it was a "new" phone platform with very little marketing. Look how long it took android to get to the position it's in - everything has to start small, and Nokia did not push the n900.11:47
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psycho_oreosccooke, more like Nokia frowned at the idea of turning maemo into a full fledged phone like they did with symbian. Hence it was probably released on a whim to test its fate11:48
ccookepsycho_oreos: Nokia saw the n900 as a developer phone, for research purposes. More of a mainstream device than the NITs before it, but not actually something to push on that device.11:48
ccookepsycho_oreos: and the hardware stuff that wasn't fixed? Because nokia saw the n900 as and r&d exercise. Why fix the thing, if it had already served its purpose?11:49
psycho_oreosccooke, then again, if it was a research phone its a bit weird to have it released to the public without all the necessary warnings? or were they there to sham the linux community by releasing a half assed device with fundamental hardware issues?11:49
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ccookepsycho_oreos: well, Nokia were clear that it was a research device to the community11:50
psycho_oreossure they've achieved their r&d purposes by turning their maemo fans into nothing more than guinea pigs and continues to despise them to this very day11:50
ccookepsycho_oreos: it was said several times at the Maemo conference11:50
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ccookethe n900 was never planned to be the mainstream break-out device11:51
psycho_oreosccooke, not on the packaging box, an average joe wouldn't have picked that up if they wanted to tinker with something and didn't realise it was a test device11:51
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ccookepsycho_oreos: An average joe would have been no worse off using it than most phones, if they had no massive preferences11:51
ccookethe n900 is a nice phone11:52
psycho_oreoseven so it shows the quality of how Nokia treated its fans, so they've axed their reputation because of that11:52
psycho_oreosccooke, I'm not saying N900 is a bad/crap/shit phone. Its just a let down how Nokia treated maemo right from the word go11:52
ccookepsycho_oreos: you appear to be making an assumption that Nokia knew what it was doing. I think pas evidence shows that this was not the case11:52
ccookeI believe that the maemo team at nokia did the best they could, from what I saw11:53
flux"never attribute to malice that can be explained by incompetence"11:53
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psycho_oreosccooke, I'm only making assumptions based on what you have said and how maemo was targeted. It was targeted for the niche market. Granted that it did get some of that effect. However an average joe would have still picked up the thing, saw all the flaws, gets pissed off and finds another phone.11:53
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ccookepsycho_oreos: so?11:54
psycho_oreosand also free maemo devs are leaving rapidly :)11:54
ccookepsycho_oreos: That would actually give Nokia valid data.11:54
psycho_oreoscommunity maemo devs actually11:54
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ccookeWell, of course they are. Maemo is *dead*11:54
fluxboohoo, they didn't make n900 for everyone?11:54
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psycho_oreosccooke, don't know what you meant by Nokia valid data11:55
ccookewell, a shambling zombie corpse kept mobile by the community that remains :-)11:55
ccookepsycho_oreos: several things, actually. Firstly... the n900 is a decent phone for people who don't have a preference for phones.11:56
psycho_oreosccooke, for the time being though11:56
psycho_oreosccooke, more like those who knew what maemo was truly capable of kept the phone to this very day11:57
psycho_oreosi.e. purpose built device11:57
fluxI know some non-developer n900 owners. they seem quite happy with it.11:57
fluxbut they are technically aligned11:57
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psycho_oreosas one would have to be in general11:58
ccookeI know non-technical people who like the n90011:58
ccookeThey don't make full use of it, but they wouldn't have made full use of any other phone11:58
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ccookebut it does the job for them very well11:58
chem|stShadowJK: it is not reading the hardware "fuel gauge" right but something gets messed up afaik11:59
chem|stccooke: the point is that there is no other "phone" alike device with it's capabilities12:00
psycho_oreosthe only cases I've came across with are those who don't use the device as a whole rather, they use it for whatever specific purpose they have on their mind. E.g. FM Transmitter + music player, pentesting wifi networks, or multibooting12:00
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: wouldn't count multibooting as purpose in that case if you are not looking at devel for the other OS12:01
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chem|stmy device is used for what I need if there is no other computer reachable or missing capabilities12:02
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psycho_oreoschem|st, though you gotta admit the youtube videos are feeding the crowd with whatever wants to show. I'm sure there's a fair few youtube videos with people multibooting other OS namely *droid12:02
chem|stlike my girl's mother's TV has no PC-in so I transfer the movie to the n900... batched12:02
chem|stpsycho_oreos: yeah and booting droid does what? nothing useful for now12:03
psycho_oreoschem|st, to some people its a bit of boast factor to show off their device can do this and others can't easily12:03
chem|st"look my device can even boot android" and crap is for showoffs12:03
dashavooMy laptop hates my N900, because when I have my phone with me, my laptop goes unused for 6 months at a time12:04
chem|stdashavoo: kind of12:04
psycho_oreosthat's what the non devs of other OS installed on N900 generally are ;) they just experiment, see the results and off it goes to presentation12:04
chem|stmy netbook was bought for testing and proof of concept and to increase my own linux learning curve12:05
chem|stnow it is server and skype station12:05
chem|stonce a year it is picked for vintage gaming at my sibbling's12:05
chem|stand key element in watching youtube btw is to go fullscreen, as rendering in-site doesn't work that well12:07
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* psycho_oreos thinks instead the idea is to run a custom kernel (with BFS+200 `lines of miracle code) + custom transitions and other tweaks to make N900 go faster for viewing youtube videos12:08
psycho_oreosbut then again there's always apps like zoutube for instance12:08
chem|stwaht have transitions to do with youtube?12:09
chem|stand I do not ahve any custom kernel parts...12:09
psycho_oreosmight shave off mem usage. Then there's the auto-orientation12:09
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chem|stand even FF does fine if going fullscreen12:10
psycho_oreosyou meant microB :)12:10
chem|stmicroB and FF do fine with youtube12:10
psycho_oreosFF as in firefox right? specifically you meant Nightly/Fennec12:11
dashavooIts a shame Opera doesn't do flash12:12
psycho_oreosit can do flash, its just the devs aren't going to bother putting up with having to go through all that crap with adobe licensing12:14
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dashavoopsycho_oreos: it can do it as in I can do something on my phone to make it work?12:19
psycho_oreosdashavoo, no12:20
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psycho_oreosthough I haven't looked into it, I somewhat think it might be possible but if that were the case others would have beaten me to it12:20
dashavoopsycho_oreos: then it doesn't do flash. My original statement stands.12:21
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psycho_oreosdashavoo, what I meant was had the opera devs went through the effort of making it to work then your case wouldn't stand :) its not exactly opera's fault12:22
dashavooThat is like me saying that I can fly, because if I went through the effort of taking lessons I would be able to12:23
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dashavooI don't blame Opera for it, I just think it is a pity, as being as Opera is the nicest browser on my N900 by far12:23
psycho_oreosheh not the exact same analogy. Its a bit more like, I can fly but in order for me to fly I must comply with all these rules and regulations before I can actually fly :)12:25
dashavoohmm, maybe12:26
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Ikarussilly, not quite on topic question, but anyone know a store within Europe that still sells new N900s12:31
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IkarusI send mine in for warranty for broke USB connector12:31
Ikarusand they decided, can't fix, replacing with N8 (which isn't equivilent, nor run Maemo)12:31
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psycho_oreoslol ouch12:34
Ikarusyeah, not funny12:35
psycho_oreosso the warranty is void from Nokia but not from that store?12:35
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Ikaruspsycho_oreos: hrm, the warranty isn't void12:39
Ikarusbut my warranty is with the store, not Nokia in the first place12:40
psycho_oreosbah so its kinda pointless then :)12:40
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Ikaruspsycho_oreos: I can still claim the Nokia warranty aswell12:41
Ikarusbut this is a bloody mess12:41
Ikarusand I want to fucking beat them to a pulp for it12:41
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IkarusN8, equivilent, what ARE they smoking12:41
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Venemo -> LOL12:44
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chem|stVenemo: lovely12:52
chem|stIkarus: still ships it12:52
Ikaruschem|st: cool12:53
Ikarusbut wrong keyboard12:53
chem|stIkarus: order a keyboard or make them ship your old device back to you, changing the kbd is 2mins12:54
Ikaruschem|st: hmmm, k12:54
Ikarusnot amused with this vendor12:55
chem|stIkarus: gsmeasy in .nl has stock too12:55
Ikaruschem|st: hah, going to demand them ordering one there :)12:55
chem|stok it doesn't...12:56
PolarFoxIkarus: I got an N8 too..12:56
PolarFoxIkarus: Out of replacement N900s and boards.. :(12:57
chem| ships a qwerty for 557€12:57
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IkarusPolarFox: I'm going to settle for either 650 euro back or a N90012:57
Ikarusno other option12:57
lardmanthat N9 hits FCC TMO thread really is full of crap, pardon my French12:59
psycho_oreosIkarus, the only reason why I laughed was the fact that I had faced a very similar sort of case when it came to me wanting to purchase another N900 in .hk. Of many retailers I've asked, they either said, "Out of stock", "Company ceased production", or "Would you be interested in N8?". It seems like N900 customers are getting slugged to switch to symbian and makes me wonder if this was Nokia's doing.13:00
Ikaruslardman: if only the N9 would be out this month :)13:01
lardmanprobably not and just a replacement for the top of the line N-series13:01
psycho_oreosand no I don't live in Europe so I wouldn't have known where else to buy them over there13:01
lardmanIkarus: indeed, well FCC timelimit for the photos expires in a month and a week or so13:01
Ikarusmeh, might have to bribe them into an Android phone13:03
Ikarusif they really don't want to find a N90013:03
Ikarusofcourse I'll buy a used one aswell13:03
lardmannot much with a kb though13:03
chem|stIkarus: ebay got lots of13:03
Ikaruschem|st: so does Marktplaats at quite decent prices13:04
dashavooyuck, Ikarus, don't do it13:04
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chem|stehrm 150eur?13:04
dashavooSay "no!" to Android13:04
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Ikarusdashavoo: I fear that Symbian is the worse choice for me13:05
psycho_oreosthe alternatives isn't that much better if it isn't android13:05
lardmanAndroid does have a couple of good things - maps that work and sync with google calendar13:05
chem|stIkarus: I would go for E7+100€refund13:06
lardmanI would rather like either or both of those on my N900/future device13:06
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Ikaruslardman: neither of those I want13:06
IkarusGoogle is NOT my friend13:06
Ikaruschem|st: perhaps, it's just so lame13:07
chem|stlardman: you should start reading some threads! we have working maps... and google cal WFM13:07
robbiethe1stLet me just say: DebianPhone > Maemo > Meego >  Android .....> Symbian > WP713:07
Ikarusrobbiethe1st: exactly13:07
lardmanchem|st: Hmm, google cal sync has never worked for mwe13:07
dashavoopsycho_oreos: I agree, the alternatives are not much better, but they are still better than google having your phone on a string13:07
Ikarusdashavoo: problem is Symbian is just a pig13:08
chem|strobbiethe1st: swap symbian with android and I agree13:08
psycho_oreoslol no moblin, blackberry, iOS in sight there robbiethe1st13:08
robbiethe1stThing about Android is if I ever go with one, I'll go with one with an unlocked bootloader: Stick CM on it, and it can't be that bad13:08
psycho_oreosdashavoo, I'd have no choice but to go with android if it isn't maemo/meego/moblin13:08
chem|stmotorola just releases one with unlocked BL13:08
robbiethe1stiOS's about down there with WP7; blackberry about the same...13:08
Ken-Youngrobbiethe1st, What is CM?13:08
dashavooI am bold enough to say that I will never have an android phone13:08
psycho_oreosoh and there's bada13:08
chem|stah not motorola it is HTC13:08
Ken-Youngrobbiethe1st, THanks13:09
robbiethe1sti.e. Pure Android, in a custom package13:09
psycho_oreosdashavoo, so you'd rather have symbian? ew13:09
dashavooI intend to make my N900 last as long as I possibly can. If it ever dies, I will have to re-evaluate the market.13:09
robbiethe1stSo, rootable with some sort of terminal at least...13:09
psycho_oreosNexus branded devices (currently Nexus and Nexus S) have unlocked bootloaders, allowing one to freely install other OS of their choice13:10
psycho_oreosthe rest of android based devices are a bit of hit and miss when it comes to trying to install other OS and booting off it natively, some can do it, some can't13:11
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dashavoopsycho_oreos: what other OS can you install on them then?13:12
dashavooah, cool13:13
psycho_oreosdashavoo, and that's the one thing I like about android phones, if I really despised Google (I'm not a big fan either but at least Google did base their android platform on linux kernel to the very least) I can always install something like meego13:13
psycho_oreosyeah what lardman said, or others (with some porting if the user desires)13:13
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lardmanmeego also requires porting though13:13
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psycho_oreossymbian phones afaik have signed bootloaders, apart from hearing one that N8 possibly does not have locked bootloader, you can't boot other OS of your choice on symbian based phones.. that to me is a nail in the coffin13:14
psycho_oreostrue but better than where other phone's OS are generally sitting at (minus the obvious maemo based devices + OM)13:14
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, it's locked by default13:27
MohammadAGyou have to change it I think13:27
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, you meant N8? meh well that's no different to other symbian devices then :D13:27
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, yeah13:32
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robbiethe1st...What's always struck me as funny about the n900 is that message about "be sure to unplug the charger" when you disconnect it's charging cord.13:58
Lynourerobbiethe1st: chargers eat power too, most of them, even when they are not charging or connected to a phone.13:59
robbiethe1stSee, the default n900 charger is just about as effecient as they come: With my crude kill-a-watt meter, it shows 0W when it's not connected.13:59
Lynourerobbiethe1st: oh, cool :)13:59
robbiethe1stWith an old transformer model, yea, I could see unplugging it. But with that one? It's probably not worth it.13:59
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psycho_oreosI guess its a friendly reminder to save power :)14:11
macmaNyeah, that largely depends on the timezone14:13
macmaNin quite many parts of the world, esp. nokias home region, it doesnt make one bit of difference what exactly heats your house14:13
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psycho_oreosfor all we know it might be a thing to keep greenies happy :þ14:16
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SpeedEvilOf course it is.14:18
SpeedEvilIt's greenwash.14:18
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SpeedEvilPure and simple.14:18
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, btw I almost have two N900 working with USB networking :) I got a big hint from a bloke in #kernelnewbies on oftc14:28
macmaNi wouldnt go to extremes with that claim either14:28
macmaNits pretty clear that the ecosystem is getting fucked by the overpollution that comes from making gazillions of these beloved devices14:28
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robbiethe1st is what I want for a proper hostmode cable, isn't it?14:29
macmaNyet inside that one still need to consider local conditions when trying to apply stuff like widespread energy policies14:29
macmaNthe LED lighting is another example of that14:29
robbiethe1stSame witb CCFLs.14:30
psycho_oreosthe funny thing is that even though the organisations are largely responsible for polluting the environment and our heads. A greenie would probably be happy to be reminded to remain being `green', had they not been reminded they may pick that up elsewhere and then whinge at respective companies who did not remind them to be green imo14:31
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psycho_oreosrobbiethe1st, never tried that but I'm not too big of a fan when it comes to having a cable of that length. I bought an adapter which is no longer (in length) than a small bluetooth adapter with one end being uUSB male on one end with USB female on the other14:33
robbiethe1stI've heard, though, that you've got to be really careful with that lest you break something14:34
robbiethe1sti.e. by strain on the conectors14:34
Ikarusyup, the N900 internal USB connector is notorious *grmbls*14:34
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, heh, stopped using USB networking for now14:34
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, o.O going through wireless/bluetooth?14:35
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psycho_oreosrobbiethe1st, *shrugs* apart from the `teeth' on the bottom of the uUSB connector on the adapter, the only other thing to worry about is dropping your device with that attached or being inconsiderate and somehow banged the device with the connector on something hard (and it is the connector being hit not the device)14:37
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, wireless14:37
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I had that going initially but I had different thing in mind (especially now using USB networking, it all seems like there's less interference to worry about on the 2.4GHz network ;)14:38
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, I don't get interference but USB Networking simply kills wifi on the N90014:39
psycho_oreosIkarus, I personally believe (and I could be wrong), that only certain revisions of N900 were affected by the improper implementation of uUSB socket. So far I'm assuming that revision 2101 are the ones heavily affected14:40
macmaNMohammadAG: wdym kills?14:40
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, weird, can't see how that would happen :) then again by me using USB networking I leave wireless free to do other things14:40
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, I'm guessing the N900 tries to use the USB network instead of wifi14:41
MohammadAGso telepathy keeps trying to connect, etc14:41
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Ikaruspsycho_oreos: the problem is that the USB socket is a surface mount one in general14:41
Ikarusthat is just asking for trouble14:41
SpeedEvilNon-surface-mount USB are very rare.14:41
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah that's routing and probably libicd-network-null affecting imo :). I've had before a `broken USB networking setup' where I could SSH into N900 through USB network but have N900 going through wireless to get internet access because host computer denies N900 access14:42
psycho_oreosIkarus, well that is true, however I haven't had my N900 uUSB socket falling out.. I guess it'll be a matter of time before it actually falls out. I have already bought a replacement socket (though I wouldn't know how to solder it on myself nor would I have the tools to do it properly)14:43
IkarusSpeedEvil: uh, I've got a whole box of them, the connector is SMD, but it has two pins through the PCB to hold it in place14:44
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SpeedEvilIkarus: I was just going off disgikey - they say that there are only 2 through-hole variants - of 86 SMD14:48
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IkarusSpeedEvil: it's still a design fault imo14:50
Ikaruseven if they are hard to get14:50
SpeedEvilUI'm not arguing.14:50
SpeedEvilI'm just saying that it's a fairly common design fault.14:50
SpeedEvilIUt could be fairly easily fixed by them shipping: -14:51
SpeedEvilor siilar as a connector14:51
SpeedEvil(not the phones)14:51
SpeedEvil(though they are not phoneS)14:51
IkarusI assume that is a more soft connector ?14:52
SpeedEvilRight angle14:52
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IkarusSpeedEvil: not sure if that helps alot14:58
Ikarusmeh, come on, idiots give me a phone call14:59
SpeedEvilThe right thing would be an actual dock connector.14:59
IkarusSpeedEvil: I actually designed a dock for tne N900, printable by makerbot15:00
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Ikarusbut never got around to printing it15:00
SpeedEvilThe problem is that you can't dock microusb sanely15:00
SpeedEvilwhere sanely = just slam it in the dock15:00
IkarusSpeedEvil: true15:00
SpeedEvilMy best idea along those lines would be a key into the lanyard and speaker grille.15:01
SpeedEvilThen extend the connector on a little servo when those are seated15:02
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mece"Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked."15:23
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meceso I just have to replace all import QtQuick 1.0 with import Qt 4.7 if I want to promote this thing..15:23
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MohammadAGsed -i 's/QtQuick\ 1.0/Qt\ 4.7/g' * mece15:31
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Ikarusheh, they found a ex-demo N900 in their shop in Antwerp, with 2 minor scratches to the backplate, my old one had a huge crack there15:39
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: thruhole is rare for micro-SB, but actually most of the smd varaints seem to have mechanical supports that are designed to at least snap into some holes on board, to fix against torsion15:43
IkarusDocScrutinizer: yes, the type I have are like that15:45
DocScrutinizerwon't help when you're pressing down the plug 'lever'15:45
DocScrutinizerpulling up is secrued by case, forth and back by those poles15:45
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DocScrutinizerI even considered drilling holes to N900 PCB for those posts15:46
Ikarussomeone should sell a securing kit15:46
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DocScrutinizercradle with USB and charging via pads and pogopins15:47
IkarusDocScrutinizer: heh, design one15:47
DocScrutinizeralready did15:47
DocScrutinizerit's all ready in my head ;-)15:48
IkarusDocScrutinizer: I've got a 3D model of the reverse of that side of the phone15:48
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Ikarusso you could use that if I can upload it15:48
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IkarusDocScrutinizer: I already designed a hackish  dock15:48
Macermail for exchange seems reluctant to sync a lot of calendar entries15:48
Ikarusbut if you can come up with a nicer design15:49
chem|st~hail DocScrutinizer15:49
* infobot bows down to DocScrutinizer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"15:49
DocScrutinizerI'm just a bloke technician15:49
DocScrutinizerEE to be precise15:49
Macerseems kind of silly to have to add one or two entries at a time then sync15:50
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DocScrutinizerI know how to build the electrical part of that, and I'd get an acryl glass bend to shape to hold the phone when dropped in15:51
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: Can you read and display STL files?15:51
DocScrutinizerno, no idea what it is15:51
billmaniaA fellow N900 owner created a 3D model of an N900 "cradle" for me, which I plan to use on the dashboard of my car.15:51
billmaniaIt might be useful with your N900 docking station design.15:52
DocScrutinizerof course15:52
chem|stMacer: DocScrutinizer stereolithograph .stl15:52
DocScrutinizerthe changes needed to N900 are tiny15:52
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chem|stehrm Macer for you I had something on my mind like adding MfE to the /topic exception!15:53
DocScrutinizerjust drill 4 small (1.2mm) holes to the back cover, above battery15:53
chem|stDocScrutinizer: a wireless charging system would be neat15:53
DocScrutinizerindeed, but way too expensive15:54
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: The fellows at the local hackerspace create a lot with 3D printers and we're planning to "print" a few of these cradles. No modifications to the N900 required.15:54
chem|stthought of using one of the toothbrush stands 30€...15:54
billmaniaMail for Exchange.15:55
Macerno talking about mfe here? :)15:55
DocScrutinizerbillmania: no mods? so how are you going to chare the thing then?15:55
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chem|stbillmania: friends try to get a reprap working... as soon as I will have a look at car mounts15:55
Macerboo... it is good when it works15:56
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: We plan to use the existing connections, through the micro USB.15:56
Macerbut it doesn't work that well with google15:56
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billmaniaMacer: I noticed that as well, the unhappiness between the latest MfE and Google calendar.15:56
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DocScrutinizermy major goal was to spare the USB, and have an alternative15:57
billmaniachem|st: Yes, there are several repraps in progress at Pumping Station:One in Chicago.15:57
chem|stMacer: MfE is a thread in the forums started by the guy who hacked it by nokia, and NO there wont ever be proper google support15:57
chem|stbillmania: another idea for my 300€ spare o_O15:57
billmaniachem|st: Yes, no shortage of places to pour money. I also own a sailboat, which serves the same purpose. :-D15:58
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chem|stbillmania: ouw what kind of boat is it15:59
jaskai want a car cradle :|15:59
chem|stjaska: then buy one!15:59
billmaniachem|st: 1981 C&C Landfall 38 sloop, masthead rig.15:59
jaskanot sure where to look15:59
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chem|stbillmania: I started dreaming about ever owning a bavaria 55...16:00
billmaniachem|st: I think I've only seen photos of Bavaria's in Cruising World magazine. Nice looking yachts.16:01
chem|stbut a 30 year old boat is something you can put all your spare money in and be short anyways...16:01
billmaniaWe better be careful before we're banned from #maemo for being too off-topic.16:01
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chem|stbillmania: yeah the smaller ones are not that of my type as they managed to have too much wasted space16:02
billmaniajaska: I haven't found a car cradle suitable for the N900 either.16:02
jaskaplus mine has a mugen battery cover, probably limits the options :)16:03
chem|stbillmania: then back to topic, last turn I used columbus and gps recorder to track and navigate16:03
billmaniaAh, a columbus user. I'm about to remove that package and re-install gpsrecorder.16:03
billmaniacolumbus seems way too unstable to be of any use.16:03
chem|stbillmania: jaska brodit active car mount16:03
billmaniagpsrecorded has been very stable for me.16:03
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chem|stbillmania: yeah crashes a lot, used it to find the boat in the harbours again ;)16:04
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DocScrutinizeroff-topic policy: nothing is off-topic unless somebody complains. After any complaint got raised, it's up to the chanops to honestly check and counteract OT discussions16:05
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billmaniaThat's very nice, but a bit expensive.16:05
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DocScrutinizerbillmania: I'm unsure if you seriously can complain about your own OT posts ;-D16:06
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* merlin1991 raises complain ;)16:06
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: Wasn't complaining, just expressing fear of being censured. :-D16:06
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cehtehbillmania: looks like it fixes the device with the usb jack .. not a brilliant idea :)16:07
billmaniacehteh: Yeah. I've never had trouble with mine, but many co-N900 owners have had their USB jack repaired.16:07
DocScrutinizerwe, well I, never censor for OT in itself16:07
cehtehi dont have trouble with mine either yet .. but i take it quite careful16:08
cehtehi wont mount the device using the usb jack :)16:08
merlin1991yesterday night this chan turned into a notebook support chan xD16:08
DocScrutinizertrolling yes, XXX yes, not listening to requests to stay on topic yes, but mere OT... meh16:08
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billmaniaDoes anyone actually own one of these:
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billmaniaAre they worth the 23 Euros?16:09
merlin1991the only on topic part of that was that somewhere on the borken piece of hw there was sb installed :)16:09
lardman|homejust a quickie, has anyone had any troubles with SB and Maemo development in general with Natty Narwhal?16:11
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DocScrutinizerlardman|home: is there anybody who had *no* troubles with SB? ;-D16:13
lardman|homeworks ok for me16:14
lardman|homebut then I've probably blocked the bad bits out16:14
lardman|homestrange how I can't remember much of the past 2 years.....16:14
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DocScrutinizeras Mr Freud, I think it's a common strategy of humans to cope with this :-)16:15
DocScrutinizerthough the typo made sense as well :-P16:15
lardman|homeso to reiterate, has anyone had any more troubles than usual with SB using Natty Narwhal?16:16
lardman|homewhatever the case I need to get rid of this version of Gnome, it's crap16:16
lardman|homealmost as bad as windows not letting you open a term in the current dir16:17
DocScrutinizerdoes anybody even know what's natty narwhal and has used it with SB?16:17
lardman|homeand worse in that it has no way of searching in the current dir16:17
lardman|homeI thought it would be fairly well know, latest Ubuntu release and all that ;)16:17
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: Thought as much, but <no answer> to your original question is a rather ambiguous result16:18
Macermail for exchange isnt open src right?16:18
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Maceris there anything that is that does the same thing? like gpe that can sync with google?16:19
lardman|homethere is supposed to be something16:19
lardman|homecan't remember the name now though, should be searchable though, in Extras16:20
lardman|homesyncs the main calendar, not gpe though16:20
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: ""has anybody tested to stick a steel nail into the holes of this wall mains outlet? Does it hurt?"" ... ""nobody, ok then - I'll try it""16:21
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: I wasn't suggesting a null result was the same as a non-bad result!16:21
Macerlardman... so just look for "calendar" ?16:21
lardman|homeMacer: erming?16:22
Macerhm. let me see :)16:22
Macerthe calendar keeps making mfe stay stuck at sync when you add more than 4 entries16:22
merlin1991lardman|home: my sb still runs on lucid16:22
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lardman|homemerlin1991: same here, I'll just leave it be for the time being I guess16:23
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: nah, just everybody who tried to run SB on natty now is in a health care facility that doesn't allow them to answer here ;-D16:23
lardman|homeMacer: I could never get the built-in exchange stuff to finish its first sync16:23
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: lol16:23
Macerlardman|home: i have16:23
Macerbut the email won't send16:23
merlin1991Macer: it works fine for me, but I'm not syncing calendar nor contacts16:24
Macerand the calendar get stuck with 4+ entries16:24
merlin1991only mail16:24
lardman|homeok, so not much of an improvement then16:24
Macermerlin1991: the contacts work too16:24
merlin1991I have it running mail only and that works16:24
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lardman|homehmm, not sure I'd want to suck mail onto the N900 if I could avoid it16:24
Macermerlin1991: mail was the one messing me up16:24
lardman|homeit's funny, I have my N900, but try to avoid using the web browser, maps, mail and calendar16:25
Macerlardman|home: i use imap for the mail16:25
lardman|homemust get writing some better apps16:25
lardman|homeMacer: ah I didn't know how the GMail stuff works16:25
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Macerlardman|home: yeah. that is what i am using it for16:28
Macerthe contacts are the most important16:28
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: (natty&Q) that's "asking_smart_questions" master class level ;-)16:28
Macerbut i would like the calendar to work as well16:28
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: I try to keep the questions simple to avoid scaring people ;)16:28
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lardman|homecal works, but just on device, but it could be so much better16:29
lardman|homemore usable16:29
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lardman|homeand being able to share it with my wife would be a start16:29
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: so first find people that have actually tried it. Then poll their notion about if there've been special problems16:30
* lardman|home starts writing an online poll16:32
lardman|homeor probably better I should head back to work, and not upgrade just yet ;)16:32
SpeedEvilFor calendar, my main annoyance is that I can't schedule buiweekly 'appointments' on it. I want to set it up so I can tell when I need to put my bin out.16:32
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lardman|homeI dislike the following: lack of multiple alarms on e.g. meetings; input with only date not day; poor presentation of the data full stop (blue lines, no text); fixed alarm reminder times16:36
lardman|homeprobably more once I really start thinking :)16:36
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you ever have investigated the database format, and what happens if you edit an appointment to a different interval there?16:36
lardman|homelack of sync with Google Calendar or some other online system is up there too16:37
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: the backend probably allows arbitrary alarm times, just the ui that needs fixing16:37
lardman|homeprobably, I'd need to check16:37
* DocScrutinizer looks at bags of trash that are waiting to move out next Tuesday morning, as they already did since 4 weeks16:38
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: (backend) my point16:38
lardman|homeor ergh16:38
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: ?? recycling - biweekly16:39
lardman|homeoh recycling not rubbish then16:39
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LantiziaWhat do we think of this purportedly 1500mah battery for n900?
Lantiziavia hong kong :S16:40
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer:  I have not. I understand it works.16:40
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lardman|home is the recurrence stuff16:41
psycho_oreosI wouldn't trust it, it might not even be 1500mAh, plus did you check out that thread on massive battery test? its in t.m.o.16:41
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It doesn't bug me that much - I just now have a web link on the desktop that I click, which takes me to my online collection calendar, that I hit any wednesday I'm confused16:41
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dangergrrlso this ljprm-680 is the mythical n9/950?16:43
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dangergrrlthe docs on are not much help16:45
lardman|homewhen does the 45 day confidentiality on some docs run from?16:45
lardman|homedate of the letter, or presumably date of the FCC granting a licence?16:45
dangergrrllooks like maybe june 25th?16:46
DocScrutinizerwhatever - GAN900 (?) said it ends in june16:46
LantiziaAnyone ever seen alternate back covers for the N900 (not the mugen one)... perhaps one with a longer stand so it doesn't wobble?16:46
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lardman|homeso something like the 24th of June anyway assuming it was approved on 10th May?16:46
lardman|homearound then anyway16:46
dangergrrlthese documents were available may 11th16:47
dangergrrlone of which says 45 day delay16:47
lardman|homesubmitted on the 10th16:47
lardman|homeanyway, close enough16:47
dangergrrlso the withheld ones should be available june 26th +/-16:48
lardman|home31 days in May16:48
dangergrrljune 17 then :P16:48
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: dirt cheap shellscript exploiting sqlite3 to edit interval of selectable recurring events in calendar?16:48
lardman|homeno, subtract one16:48
dangergrrli just woke up16:49
lardman|homeat least we know it has a keypad16:49
lardman|homewhat are all those people on TMO waffling on about it not having one?16:49
SpeedEvilIt's not worth the several minutes it'd take me to ...16:49
DocScrutinizeryeah, and that's about all we know16:49
lardman|homeand wifi n and cdma as well as normal, etc16:50
lardman|homeI thought someone said it had that16:50
* lardman|home looks at the test report16:50
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: echo "" >>/etc/hosts16:51
lardman|homeGPRS850, WCDMA850 WCDMA1700/2100 2-slot GPRS1900 WLAN245016:51
DocScrutinizerdone, next16:51
lardman|homenot the same?16:52
* lardman|home doesn't know16:52
DocScrutinizerWCDMA == 3G, while CDMA == this weird US thing for cellphones, that's != GSM16:52
lardman|homeoh I see, my mistake, I thought it was going to support strange Americans16:53
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lardman|homethe difference a little W makes :)16:53
lardman|homeright, back to work, bbiabn16:54
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cehtehyou mean you can shove a aspirin in the ass of a stallion to run faster?16:59
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dashavoocehteh: no, that is ass-sprint, not aspirin17:04
dangergrrlthey have cdma in india too17:04
dangergrrlthough i hate to think the us is as backwards as india17:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: btw aspirin is a very good/aggressive flux when soldering ... ever tried to solder a oxidized copper cent? .. works without further cleaning with a bit aspirin17:05
LantiziaAny ideas which git wrote this???
Lantiziano links or anything - I'm dying or an alternate kickstand (like the n810's)17:06
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Lantiziabeen scanning through that - but there is a lot of history17:10
dashavooHmm... how difficult is it to replace the digitiser?17:11
dangergrrlthis doc does say gsm later17:11
lardmandangergrrl: they also have gsm in India17:13
dangergrrland gsm900/1800 outside the usa17:13
dangergrrlyes, but a cdma only device could be intended for india17:14
lardmanfair enough17:14
dangergrrlit is a poor country but a LOT of people17:15
lardmanhmm, quite exciting really, thought of some new cool hw :)17:15
lardmanthey are also mad drivers17:15
LantiziaDoes an "ezcola" ever frequent here? I HAVE QUESTIONS :P HE VILL TTTTAAALK!17:16
lardman~seen ezcola17:16
infoboti haven't seen 'ezcola', lardman17:16
lardmanthanks infobot17:16
Lantiziahmmmf... it seems it was him who put in the wiki that n810 style kickstands were available for the n900 - with nothing to back it up :(17:17
Lantiziai hate false hope17:17
psycho_oreosLantizia, there isn't a kickstand that comes attached to N900 but there was this:
Lantiziapsycho_oreos, seen it17:18
psycho_oreosLantizia, suppose you didn't like it? :)17:19
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Lantiziameh - you'd have to carry it around with you... would rather have it built in17:19
psycho_oreos*nods* fair enough17:19
Macerhow do you use this google albums downloader thing?17:21
Macerfor the cover art17:22
Macerthere is no doc anywhere17:22
Macernot even on google ironically enough17:22
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dangergrrltesting for phones is apparently called EMC also17:25
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dangergrrlsame as for Class A computing devices17:25
lardmanis Reggie employed by Nokia these days?17:25
dangergrrlwe had an anechoic chamber at IBM and did our own FCC testing17:25
lardmanjust thinking that in the past we used to see some logs of browser user agent strings around the time of the release of new hw17:26
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dangergrrlmy n900 is still under warantee and i'm poor i can't replace it until at least the warantee is up17:36
dangergrrleven if they had a new one with 1gb ram and dual core17:36
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chem|stis bada worth a try yet, how open is it?17:38
lardmanit looked terrible when I downloaded an SDK for it by accident17:38
lardmaninfobot: name the council17:39
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, council is The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information."
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lardmanachipa: are you about in your Council capability?17:42
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DocScrutinizerI'm not exactly a karmawhore or too concerned about it at all (karma >300 is useless anyway) BUT: WTF is my karma *dropping* by one or two points every now and then? o.O18:57
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SpeedEvilblog posts being downvoted?19:00
SpeedEvilPeople removing thanks?19:01
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DocScrutinizerpeople removing thanks? wtf?19:06
DocScrutinizerI got no blogposts19:07
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psycho_oreosbahahahaha I love my hacked attempt at comparing the previously installed packages (list being backed up by osso-backup) against the currently installed packages. It just seems as though HAM can only restore applications once. If user/owner tried to add/remove other packages or probably finishes restoring, they lose that list of packages that didn't get installed.19:07
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DocScrutinizerbtw Itt-thanks are SQRT()*foo, so to drop karma by one, quite a number of thanks would need to get removed19:08
SpeedEvilSomething that the karma calculator can't track anyumore?19:09
SpeedEvilcan bugs be deleted?19:09
dangergrrlso iḿ not finding much in this SAR report19:09
dangergrrlit is a quad band GSM device with wifi, bluetooth, mobile hotspot, camera, and slide keyboard19:10
psycho_oreosmaybe some really old thanked threads got moved into archive and probably karma are being reduced as a result19:10
dangergrrllots of pretty pictures of how much rf it will put into your skull19:10
SpeedEvildangergrrl: FMTX?19:13
DocScrutinizernow that'd be funny if karma calculator would ignore closed bugs19:14
dangergrrlwill have to go back to the beginning19:14
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dangergrrli'm 105 pages in and other than what bands it uses and that it has a slide and lens cover it doesn't provide much info19:15
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: WUT? **MY** posts - even some that earned thanks - got moved to some obscure archive?? UNBEARABLE19:15
dangergrrland nokia did the testing theirself which is not suprising19:15
dangergrrlDocScrutinizer: i hacked the database and downvoted you!19:16
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I don't know :) I don't know how the site operates, its all black magic as far as I'm concerned ;D19:16
SpeedEvildangergrrl: Done any googling of the numbers?19:16
SpeedEvildangergrrl: numbers and ID strings in the report19:16
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: cam cover??? o.O19:17
DocScrutinizernot the device we have seen so many sketches and prorotype photos of19:17
dangergrrlhsupa is 4g?19:17
psycho_oreosdoubt it19:17
DocScrutinizernah. 3.519:17
DocScrutinizerexactly what N900 does19:18
dangergrrli thought it said it had a camera cover maybe that was boilerplate19:19
psycho_oreosisn't camera cover made of plastic? :þ19:19
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dangergrrlthis may be some entirely different device19:20
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dangergrrli didn't notice any of the tests with slide open19:21
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psycho_oreosoh.. that stillborn :þ19:21
dangergrrlin the beginning it says devices with a slide must be tested with it open19:21
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timeless_xchathow do i get *out* of meetup groups?19:21
dangergrrlbut why would all the tests say slide closed if there was no slide19:22
dangergrrldon't go?19:22
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timeless_xchatit spams me!19:23
timeless_xchata lot!19:23
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SpeedEvildangergrrl: may mean keyboard slide19:24
psycho_oreostimeless_xchat, under Account > Membership & Communication19:24
psycho_oreosyou should be able to set it in a way that won't spam you I think19:25
timeless_xchati just tried that19:25
timeless_xchatis meetup worth it19:25
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timeless_xchator should i ask to kill my account, and if so, how?19:25
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dangergrrli dunno :)19:27
psycho_oreosheh I wouldn't know how to remove account, I know you can set it to leave group or not receive updates from a group, etc19:27
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dangergrrlthis sar test report does not mention fm radio band testing19:27
psycho_oreosthere's an unsubscribe completely from thingy on that same page.. it probably won't remove your account but maybe in theory it might stop all that spamming19:28
dangergrrlpresumably a device with an fm band transmitter would be subject to sar testing on that band but i don't know19:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: btw the thanks are displayed on each post upper right, and never really dropped for me19:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: maybe devels leaving my groups without me even noticing?19:29
DocScrutinizer(not that there are that many ;-D )19:29
dangergrrlthe SAR report on that page on page 6 lists the bands it was tested on19:31
dangergrrlwireless n-mode but single band like so many other devices19:31
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dangergrrli looked at like 105 pages and all the stuff that looked interesting was at the beginning19:33
dangergrrllinked from
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timeless_xchatah, thanks for the hint about unsubscribe completely19:42
timeless_xchatthat requires me to know my password19:43
dangergrrlwhich also mentions that osso is 'open source software operations'19:43
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psycho_oreoshope that works :)19:43
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khertan <<< RX-71 same report ?19:51
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dangergrrlrx-71 is an omap 3 device with possibly less keys according to the codenames page19:57
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MohammadAGyay timeless_xchat is still around20:00
MohammadAGdangergrrl, wasn't that thing from N8x0 times?20:00
timeless_xchatkinda, catching a plane out of SJC in ~2hrs20:01
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dangergrrlno idea20:03
dangergrrlthe tmo thread is 2009 though20:04
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MohammadAGdangergrrl, I doubt that thing still exists, it's way too old of a rumor20:13
JaffaRX-71 was coincident with N900, IIRC. RX-51 & RX-71.20:16
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GAN900Jaffa, can I send revisions this afternoon (PDT)?20:19
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GAN900Jaffa, nevermind. Sent now.20:22
JaffaGAN900: Sure20:23
JaffaGAN900: Ah, cool.20:23
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dangergrrlwell, khertan linked the rx-71 report so i looked20:33
dangergrrlbut that is indeed old20:33
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ZogGMohammadAG hey20:42
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MohammadAGheya ZogG20:46
ZogGMohammadAG sup20:47
ZogGMohammadAG, when you used iphone4 how did you sync music on linux? as all i try to install wants hal and i don't have it and it makes conflicts // do not want to recompile everything with hal as got rid of it long time ago20:48
MohammadAGZogG, rythmbox should work fine20:48
MohammadAGor Banshee20:49
ZogGbanshee is no go20:50
ZogGwhen i use iphone flag it tries to get hal20:50
ZogG[blocks B      ] sys-apps/hal ("sys-apps/hal" is blocking sys-power/upower-0.9.10)20:50
ZogGsame as rhythmbox20:50
MohammadAGwhat system is this?20:50
MohammadAGcause no sane system uses hal20:50
MohammadAGoh, no idea20:51
MohammadAGhal is deprecated20:51
ZogGhaha that's what you think20:51
MohammadAGhal isn't there on all new systems20:51
ZogGMohammadAG yeah i know and i got rid of it a long time ago before bubuntu =)20:51
ZogGthat's why it's problem for me20:51
MohammadAGthen recompile rythmbox20:52
ZogGsys-apps/hal required by (media-libs/libgpod-9999::local_overlay, ebuild scheduled for merge)20:52
ZogGi found the problem20:53
ZogGi use /libgpod-9999 that is oooold =)20:53
ZogGactually it's ironic but 0.8.0 is new one =)20:54
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dangergrrlwas gonna say USE="-hal" might help21:08
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DocScrutinizernice read (recommended, and yes, please point *me* at it as well, whenever due :-D ):
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piggz_my latitude desktop widget seems more stable now (touch wood) ... hasnt crashed all day, anyone wanting to update their position, feel free to use it :)22:04
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jogastill encoding22:14
jogaI lost my cursor from the laptop screen but it showed up on the projector :)22:14
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blizzowI re-flashed my n900 but left the 32GB intact.  The media player doesn't see any songs now.   I've rebooted the phone and even seen the "please wait while media player searches for files" dialog.  But nothing is showing up.  Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?22:41
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Itschuehello i need help flashing my n900 few days ago it shutdown and dont start only the white nokia screnncomes up and then it shutdown. i flashed fiasco but didnt help. then i want to flash vanilla but the usb symbol goes away when i tried to flash and the flasher is waiting what can i do now?22:45
kerioblizzow: wait22:45
kerioor tracker-processes -k22:45
kerio(or something like that)22:45
MohammadAGblizzow, it should show a timer22:47
DocScrutinizerpleae help Itschue with flashing, and be gentle with his english.22:47
MohammadAGif that doesn't work, check that /home/user is writable, and check it has space22:47
MohammadAGItschue, try flashing fiasco then vanilla without -R22:48
MohammadAGI realize this isn't the "right" way, but it's flasher that's retarded22:48
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Itschueok i flash fiasco wihout -r than vanilla and then ?22:49
DocScrutinizerthne you should be done if all works well22:50
MohammadAGYep, just unplug the USB22:50
MohammadAGI'm interested in what else MkII flashing mode can do, but meh22:50
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Itschueei am back22:51
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> thne you should be done if all works well22:52
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> Yep, just unplug the USB22:52
DocScrutinizerItschue: prohint: pastebin your flasher cmdline and reply of flasher program22:52
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DocScrutinizerwe can tell by a single glance if all worked smooth22:53
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infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.22:55
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dangergrrlthe sdk doesn't support talking to Xephyr over tcp/ip22:55
DocScrutinizeror use 'cat [filename] | netcat 123422:56
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Itschueedoc in german plz22:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, there's pastebinit :p22:57
DocScrutinizerkopiere deine commandozeile im terminal (die mit flasher-3.5 dideldumdidum...) und die antwort von flasher nach http://www.pastebin.com22:57
DocScrutinizerdoesn't work here MohammadAG22:57
DocScrutinizerall pastebin services changed their API22:58
MohammadAGantwort = output? :P22:58
DocScrutinizergot no new version22:58
MohammadAGsure about that?22:59
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# echo sometest | pastebinit22:59
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DocScrutinizerItschuee: then give us the URL you got from http://www.pastebin.com22:59
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's true on N900, but not for my PC22:59
MohammadAGGuessing translations is fun, "Copy the command into terminal (the ??? flasher-3.5 ???...) and the output from flasher on"?23:00
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, copy the pastebinit from the N900 to your PC, it's python :p23:00
DocScrutinizeranyway I know "cat | 1234" by heart23:01
Sicelothis might be ot... but i have 90% linux knowledge i have was gleaned from this chan :) .. like this one just now 'cat [filename] | netcat 123423:01
Sicelothanks DocScrutinizer23:01
Itschueesame error as befor want flash vanilla usb symbol goes away and flasher is waiting23:02
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MohammadAGItschuee, says unknown paste ID23:02
DocScrutinizerItschuee: ^^^23:02
Sicelo/s/but i have/but/23:03
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Itschueeand why shows my laptop it?23:07
dangergrrlwgetpaste doesn't work anymore?23:07
Itschueei can dowbnload it23:08
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Itschueei can it only see on my laptop on my desktop not why?23:10
DocScrutinizeryou haven't sent it yet?23:10
Itschueei configured public etc and klick on submit23:11
DocScrutinizerhmm, so it should give you  a new URL23:12
Itschueeno i tri it from my desktop23:12
MohammadAGlooks empty to me too23:14
DocScrutinizereither submit failed, or he missed the new URL, or he set even "private"23:15
DocScrutinizerclick on "CREATE NEW PASTE"23:15
DocScrutinizeredit, click "SUBMIT"23:16
DocScrutinizerpost NEW url here23:16
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Itschueei set public23:16
Itschueethe txt from linux to windows didnt work23:16
DocScrutinizerItschuee: in your terminal highlight all the relevant text with left mousbutton23:17
Itschueeand prees ctrl+c23:18
DocScrutinizeror just that :-)23:18
DocScrutinizerctrl-c doesn't work for copy in terminal23:18
Itschueethen it was the mouse23:18
DocScrutinizeranyway you found your way23:18
Sicelolol.. knoppix too, like me :)23:18
DocScrutinizerit's here now, and I'm gone now23:19
Itschueei had my way but i dondt why it isnt visible to you23:19
DocScrutinizerit is now23:19
Itschueepastebin is it?23:20
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Itschueeoh jyes there is it fine23:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, private means no one sees it in pastebin logs, but anyone can see it with a link23:21
MohammadAGCTRL+C doesn't copy, it sends a terminate signal23:21
DocScrutinizerone *last* note (I'll never get away from here...): seems this is the known linux distro related problem23:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: modprobe crap23:21
DocScrutinizerFound device RX-51, hardware revision 220423:22
DocScrutinizerNOLO version 1.4.1423:22
DocScrutinizerBooting device into flash mode.23:22
DocScrutinizerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.23:22
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r phonet etc pp23:23
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DocScrutinizeralso :
Itschueesoll ich irgendwas mit modprobe machen?23:24
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DocScrutinizerI'm GONE now, somebody might help Itschuee with this23:24
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DocScrutinizeralso don't forget 'U'23:25
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Itschueewhat for a U ?23:26
Itschueeso i diasbled ehci now flash vanilla or fiasko first?23:30
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lcukDocScrutinizer, even though you have gone, I tried to take a photo of liqbase on my ideapad
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trumeeseems like Phonet module is broken in kernel power v4723:33
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trumeeIts a pity i will have downgrade to v46.23:34
trumeePhonet unknown PEP type :123:34
trumeeis what i get if i start sharing wifi of my N900 with laptop23:35
Itschueewhere can i vind v46?23:35
ItschueemohammanAG same error as befor and now?23:36
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Sicelowhile you wait for help, Itschuee, is your battery charged?23:46
Sicelofrom wiki, If the USB logo does not appear, and the device turns off - ensure the battery is charged by connecting to the wall charger for an hour and try again23:47
DocScrutinizerItschuee: make sure your battery isn't too low - try *)boot your PC *)start flasher command for VANILLA *)plug in N900 with battery removed *)insert battery to N900 (while holding 'u' key on N900) - flashing of VANILLA img should start instantly23:48
DocScrutinizerread the wiki page completely, incl troubleshooting section23:49
* DocScrutinizer is gone again23:49
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
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DocScrutinizer(do NOT attach N900 to frashly booted PC until flasher cmd is started!)23:50
DocScrutinizerafter that do same procedure for COMBINED23:52
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