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| MoonTiger | ok well thats done | 00:06 |
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| MoonTiger | apparently i have sb done | 00:06 |
| MoonTiger | so now... do i have to work *inside* sb to edit and compile code? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | editing I use my normal user account/editor for | 00:08 |
| lcuk | hi MoonTiger btw \o | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | hey lcuk!! :) | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | you go into sb with /scratchbox/login | 00:08 |
| lcuk | compilation is done by signing into scratchbox console session | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | and simply compile away | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | just use normal tools but make sure to save into the sb home dir right? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | then compile from sb login session | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | got it | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | the FREMANTLEX86 you can run in the emulator | 00:08 |
| MoonTiger | right | 00:09 |
| merlin1991 | the ARMEL target obviously is for the phone :) | 00:09 |
| MoonTiger | xephyr | 00:09 |
| merlin1991 | yes xephyr | 00:09 |
| MoonTiger | for x86 | 00:09 |
| MoonTiger | ok cool | 00:09 |
| * MoonTiger goes to install geany | 00:09 | |
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| MoonTiger | where can i find the cmd lines for compiling? | 00:10 |
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| MoonTiger | ok found it all :) | 00:11 |
| MoonTiger | thnx for the help guys | 00:12 |
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| MoonTiger | ok sweet ... looks good ... thnx again ... off to beddy byes for me now | 00:15 |
| MoonTiger | laterz | 00:15 |
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| vi___ | hello | 00:36 |
| vi___ | are matans extended shortcuts available in the cssu? | 00:36 |
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| vi___ | anyone? | 00:42 |
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| licensed | maemo haves any gps navigator like garmin, igo, ndrive.. | 00:45 |
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| licensed | i found ndrive =D i have map licences since my other cellphone | 00:48 |
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| wam | The reason why a question mark is called "question mark" is because it marks questions. If it happens that you would like to write a question and you forget the question mark, or even worse: append any other punctuation, no sane brain will recognize your sentence as a question. This is the very reason why the question mark was invented and why it is among the very small 255 large character set that's understood all around the world. It is more likely that answe | 00:50 |
| wam | rs show up after using the question mark following a question than if not using the question mark at all. | 00:50 |
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| wam | So if you have a question and you really would like to receive answers for it, ask yourself if you shouldn't use a question mark to have a better chance to receive answers. | 00:52 |
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| wam | But in case you don't want any answers, please be more explicit that your sentence wasn't meant as a question so that I don't have to type all that crap. | 00:53 |
| wam | Or even just shut up. | 00:53 |
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| jacekowski | wam: it's 127 character set | 00:57 |
| wam | even worse | 00:58 |
| wam | I was just too lazy to verify that. | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | ASCII is 7bit | 00:58 |
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| wam | jacekowski: if you really want to know, even 5 bits are enough for a "?" | 00:59 |
| wam | pretty cheap character. | 01:00 |
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| user | was that aimed at me? | 01:04 |
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| wam | no | 01:05 |
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| vi___ | I am trying to enable the keyboard shortcuts detailed in the wiki WRT matan modified hildon desktop. | 01:05 |
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| vi___ | i want to know if ALL the functionality of MMHD was included in maemo CSSU? | 01:05 |
| vi___ | i.e. the global keyboard shortcuts. | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, could somebody tell vi to stay in channel when he's posting some question? | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | general advice: don't even think about posting a question when you're not prepared to wait at least 60min for anybody to answer. Or, if it's a question with a short "lifetime" then either clearly announce this, or cancel the question when you're no longer interested in the answer | 01:34 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: that should be: general advice: you're in irc post && wait && don't feed the trolls | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's quite rude to let others check to find an answer for your question, just to find you already left the channel | 01:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders why he /ns info vi__ just yesterday or the day before - generally not a good sign for vi__ | 01:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | the other extreme: | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like this, you know? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLZZZZZZZ!!!!eleven!1! | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | peoples, you got me? | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (sorry, in a grumpy mood) | 01:42 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer is using !!eineinseinself I think he needs help ;) | 01:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if smart_questions link shouldn't go to topic | 01:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 01:44 |
| infobot | rumour has it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems not enough | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | you'd just provoke "smart questions" about smart questions | 01:44 |
| dangergrrl | i think i'm going to have to give up on ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | ouch | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: indeed you should | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | ~maemosdk | 01:45 |
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| infobot | rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 01:45 |
| dangergrrl | i have scratchbox installed but it's failing installing stuff inside scratchbox | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we need to add DON'T USE THE GUI INSTALLER to that :D | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | dangergrrl: the nokia binaries? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a wiki :-) I never even tried to use it, so I'm not really qualified to comment | 01:46 |
| dangergrrl | this is all free components so far | 01:46 |
| dangergrrl | just i'm on an unreliable slow 3g connection and it's aborting and restarting with the tarballs when one file fails | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | ah the fun of the installer | 01:47 |
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| merlin1991 | tbh the non gui installer seems to be more stable than the gui one | 01:47 |
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| merlin1991 | whenever someone comes in complaining about sb install he/she used the gui | 01:47 |
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| dangergrrl | Installing packages on 'FREMANTLE_ARMEL'. | 01:48 |
| dangergrrl | it's trying to install like 449 packages | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | normal | 01:48 |
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| dangergrrl | but if one fails and i restart it starts from the rootstrap files again, if it fails again i'll try to follow another method for the rest :) | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the SDK is like 2GB of download volume I guess - at least that's about what it needs on your disk space later | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: the installer script is deprecated (by MohammadAG) just because of that. "No resume" | 01:50 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 01:50 |
| dangergrrl | well it did install all the scratchbox packages for me, i guess i'll have to start from there | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-25 22:04:34] <DocScrutinizer> and, as MohammadAG (?) said: there's no resume, so go thru dl-hell over and over again | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI one fyi | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | the sh ones are fine of course | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | use -c to resume | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: could you fix that wiki page? | 01:52 |
| ketas | grrl's | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | not now, in bed :P | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know what you have to change there, I'm ignorant, otherwise I'd do it | 01:52 |
| dangergrrl | ok, i'll get those, thanks, i don't like python anyway :) | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | just noticed the xchat notification while setting alarm | 01:52 |
| ketas | fixing wiki pages in bed? | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: night pal | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, remember the black/gray thing at the bottom of my screen? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck with your exams | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | it spread across the whole screen (bottom) | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 01:53 |
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| merlin1991 | pics? | 01:53 |
| ketas | panel failure? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:53 |
| ketas | not good | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect a leak in LCD sealing | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, pics don't show it well | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | lemme find the old pic | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: SLEEP! | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | oh nvm, it's on the N8 | 01:54 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: you mean lc comes out? | 01:54 |
| * MohammadAG looks at tinypic | 01:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:54 |
| ketas | weird | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I'd suspect first | 01:54 |
| ketas | your screen runs dry | 01:54 |
| ketas | :) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | or oil from touchpanel | 01:55 |
| ketas | err what oil | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | the screen had a protector on since day 8! | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik and afaicsee it's an oil-separated type of tp | 01:55 |
| merlin1991 | protector? eeew | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: a resistive touchpanel has two foils that need to be separated by a tiny space between them | 01:56 |
| ketas | i know | 01:56 |
| ketas | you mean there's substance there? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are ones with separator bumps and air, and those with oil | 01:57 |
| ketas | some kind of | 01:57 |
| ketas | oh | 01:57 |
| ketas | i thought it's bumps only | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oil type is way more sensitive and otically better | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | optically* | 01:58 |
| ketas | i'm wondering what 5800 uses | 01:58 |
| ketas | i heard bumps can fail | 01:58 |
| ketas | leading to short | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | look closely at different angles, if it's an air&bumper type you'll be able to tell by visible bumps | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: indeed | 01:59 |
| ketas | bumps then | 01:59 |
| ketas | i see pattern | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | night DocScrutinizer, and thanks :) | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 01:59 |
| ketas | or well wait | 02:00 |
| ketas | it wasn't that screen that had bumps | 02:00 |
| ketas | how about n900? | 02:00 |
| ketas | i don't remember | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is an oil type as far as I can tell | 02:01 |
| ketas | is that type more resistant (what a pun)? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no diff I guess | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's for sure one of the most sensitive r-ts I even seen | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't do that with bump type r-ts I think | 02:04 |
| ketas | better than 5800 one? | 02:04 |
| ketas | i might get used n900, then i'll see | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also quite possibly it's more durable as there's no bumps that get worn | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ketas: you can literally operate the N900 ts by the tip of a feather | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the soft end ;-D ) | 02:05 |
| ketas | hmm | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like 10 to 20 times more sensible than e.g Samsung Omnia | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (r-ts with bumps) | 02:07 |
| ketas | i really don't like capacitive ones | 02:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 02:07 | |
| ketas | but can't we have both? | 02:08 |
| ketas | :P | 02:08 |
| ketas | would be interesting! | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I missionated 90% of this chan as well ;-D | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: c-ts and r-ts don't work together nicely. The tech requirements are too conflicting | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: what's the c-ts property you miss in r-ts? | 02:09 |
| ketas | r on top of c | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: doesn't work, as r-ts is like a shielding | 02:09 |
| ketas | whoops | 02:10 |
| ketas | right | 02:10 |
| ketas | it conducts | 02:10 |
| ketas | doh, it's required | 02:10 |
| ketas | how about other way round | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | might work, but not really good | 02:10 |
| ketas | requires flexible c | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ye | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:11 |
| ketas | ah, sounds like crap | 02:11 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: is the freerunner resistive too? | 02:11 |
| ketas | iirc yes | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for do you need c-ts anyway? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: indeed | 02:11 |
| ketas | easy swipes | 02:11 |
| cehteh | my apple newton too :P | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | bump type | 02:11 |
| dangergrrl | well, i ride, i like that my n900 works with motorcycle gloves on :) | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: ok, there's no solution for that | 02:12 |
| ketas | yes, and it works with a fingernail, with a stylus | 02:12 |
| ketas | which is good | 02:12 |
| cehteh | dangergrrl: i bet Steves IStore has some motorcycle gloves for capacitative touchscreens too :) | 02:12 |
| * GAN900 yawns. | 02:12 | |
| GAN900 | How's everyone this fine afternoon? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: to swipe a r-ts, you need a minimum pressure. That's system immanent | 02:13 |
| Sicelo | ~nfc | 02:13 |
| infobot | somebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: anyway I always found swiping on N900 works just great | 02:14 |
| cehteh | well sometimes not *that* good .. and also clicking and stuff, but i think thats rather a software problem | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | well, don't feel tired so I'll sleep in 30 mins | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | the ts is fine | 02:15 |
| javispedro | GAN900: How's the afterlife? :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | modify libhildon to get "faster" scrolling | 02:16 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, sunny and pleasantly cool. | 02:16 |
| ketas | afterlife? | 02:16 |
| ketas | do they have internet there really? | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | you can practically "remove" friction and a list scrolls indifenitly | 02:16 |
| cehteh | not faster .. but more consistent registering of clicks, right clicks, double clicks .. | 02:16 |
| cehteh | and well 'near' clicks | 02:16 |
| ketas | :P | 02:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Qt's right click sucks | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | you have to hold the exact point you tapped | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | Gtk has some radius/threshold | 02:17 |
| cehteh | if you tap on a link in microb and wait for the menu to show up you have to hold your finger very calm | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | that's a software thing yes | 02:17 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: has it? is that configureable? | 02:17 |
| cehteh | i would like to increase it | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, probably, libhildon is open, so's Qt | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | you just have to find the right place | 02:18 |
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| cehteh | i hoped for some config entry | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | if it's not libhildon it's definately gtk | 02:18 |
| cehteh | yes | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | no, compiled | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: when I swipe with "upside" of my pointing finger's nail, I need like ~10g pressure | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | pressure is in newtons | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 02:19 |
| * MohammadAG is an SI nazi | 02:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pond | 02:19 |
| cehteh | for the xorg synaptics driver i made a patch to register a FingerPress .. thats a harder press than just a tap | 02:19 |
| cehteh | configureable | 02:19 |
| cehteh | used for the trackstick emulation | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh, it could also be xorg... | 02:19 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: of course | 02:20 |
| cehteh | prolly nobody uses it because it hardly discoverable :P | 02:20 |
| ketas | newtons is apples per minute | 02:20 |
| cehteh | (but its in mainline since a few years now :P) | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | ketas, i lol'd | 02:20 |
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| ketas | uApl/min | 02:21 |
| cehteh | i think the pressure (or area) detection on the n900 could be also used for 2 or 3 levels of pressure sensitivity (touch, tap, press) .. no more | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I wish synaptics would work for my tp in laptop, recently I can't get it do disable during typing anymore. Hell I can't disable it at all | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | rmmod psmouse | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmm | 02:22 |
| cehteh | well meanwhile i have a nipple on my laptop and a hardware switch to turn the touchpad off | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | s/rmmod/modprobe\ -r/ | 02:22 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: modprobe\ -r psmouse | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, read about escaping, please | 02:22 |
| cehteh | so my work on the synaptics driver is a bit unmaintained G*G | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot is not a shell, she only collects ice shells ;-D | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice even | 02:23 |
| cehteh | i like the trackpad way more (thats also why i added the emulation to the synaptics driver) | 02:23 |
| * MohammadAG can't wait for the Microsoft boob mouse device | 02:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I assume you have no clue how to get the third button on an external IBM keyboard with trackpoint connected over PS2 - to work? | 02:23 |
| ketas | boob? | 02:23 |
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| ketas | boobiemouse | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | they must be planning one with all these nipples on laptops these days | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it come in a pack of 6? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | or is it 8. | 02:24 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: no idea but i guess they extended the ps/2 protocol and send some extra events | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | How many breasts does a mouse have? | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, buy 2 get 1 free | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | one | 02:24 |
| ketas | girlfriend six-pack | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - mice have 10 nipples. | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | so we've had mice as nipples | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | and mice with balls (that sounds wrong) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: biologist's rule of thumb: twice the number of an average litter | 02:25 |
| ketas | that | 02:25 |
| cehteh | slightly unrelated but someone pasted this some days ago on irc: http://www.globalpov.com/images/triple.jpg | 02:25 |
| ketas | that's not nipple on laptop | 02:25 |
| ketas | it's clit | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wikipedia says male mice have no nipples. | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | yes, they have balls on the bottom side | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:26 |
| cehteh | haha | 02:26 |
| ketas | that's why laptops behave so bad sometimes | 02:26 |
| ketas | they are girls | 02:26 |
| ketas | :P | 02:26 |
| * javispedro hates students | 02:26 | |
| javispedro | well, sometimes. | 02:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 02:27 | |
| merlin1991 | I rmember a women == pc link in here | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, I can't find that image attractive | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, that's racist against me and offends me | 02:27 |
| cehteh | i didnt say you should | 02:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, but they've got nothing but good things to say about you. | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | I demand an apology! | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:27 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: but 3 is better than 1 | 02:27 |
| javispedro | GAN900: heh =) | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, not sure I've seen women with 1 :P | 02:28 |
| ketas | s/with 1// | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no mammal with one brest, according to biologist's rule of thumb | 02:29 |
| javispedro | heeeeeeello there are women on this channel. | 02:29 |
| ketas | where? | 02:29 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: i am pretty sure google image search will find some | 02:29 |
| * ketas looks around | 02:29 | |
| cehteh | http://everythingaboutplasticsurgery.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mstc.jpg | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: they left when you entered | 02:29 |
| cehteh | sfw :P | 02:30 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: good | 02:30 |
| javispedro | cehteh: sfw? where do you work? | 02:30 |
| cehteh | home office :) | 02:30 |
| ketas | hahaha | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 02:30 |
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| * javispedro ponders for a moment wheter to ban everyone... | 02:31 | |
| *** javispedro sets mode: -o javispedro | 02:31 | |
| merlin1991 | damn it | 02:31 |
| merlin1991 | that'd been fun | 02:32 |
| cehteh | including yourself? :) | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | if you banned only yourself that would've had the same effect :p | 02:32 |
| cehteh | yeah | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | regardless, /mode +i and /mkick ftw | 02:32 |
| cehteh | ok .. lets do something serious .. bbl | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | I never knew javispedro had ops here | 02:33 |
| * javispedro didn't either | 02:33 | |
| * javispedro goes back to grading.. | 02:34 | |
| MohammadAG | you're a teacher? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | No, I TA. | 02:34 |
| merlin1991 | he hates students | 02:34 |
| merlin1991 | gotta be ateacher :D | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | I thought he hates fellow students :p | 02:34 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I was a fellow student.. until previous week that is... | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: at university? | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | what's a "TA" btw? | 02:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yep | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you must be hating students ;-D | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Conversion of the Nipple to Hair-Bearing Epithelia by Lowering Bone Morphogenetic Protein Pathway Activity at the Dermal-Epidermal Interface | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 02:36 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I am seriously starting to consider your channel fsckups are intentional =) | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | you read interesting stuff SpeedEvil | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I was copying and pasting between stuff and hit alt-tab once too many between ctrl-v's. | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, sure sure. | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I gather your lightning reporter intermezzo on #eegoconf is over? So I can remove the special highlight on your nick? | 02:42 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 02:42 |
| GAN900 | Conference is done | 02:42 |
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| GAN900 | Sorry I didn't report anything useful. :P | 02:42 |
| javispedro | ah, and no devices | 02:42 |
| * javispedro grabs popcorn and goes to see tmo | 02:42 | |
| jonaskoelker | Hello all. I have Modest grab my email from my dovecot@home. Modest only alerts me when I have new mail in my inbox. It'd like to have new mails for some other boxes too. How do I get that? | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: well, when there's nothing usefull to report, what can you do? | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | Tried to start a TMO rumor. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | GAN900: omg tell me, I have popcorn to spare so far | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: I doubt modest can do that | 02:44 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, tweeted about Something big coming | 02:45 |
| javispedro | hahaha | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | only with nokia messaging | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | Uploaded a blurrycam of some "devices" to Flickr. | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | Qole tweet about them coming for everyone at the conference | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: BOFH | 02:46 |
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| GAN900 | Then we uploaded a picture of the buses that came to take us to the Exploratorium last night | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | "They've got windows!" | 02:46 |
| javispedro | hehe | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf exploratorium? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like abuse by aliens | 02:47 |
| javispedro | I bet exploratorium was at least better than that old badtasting-beer factory | 02:47 |
| * javispedro hides | 02:47 | |
| javispedro | if you want to find where the latest trolling is on TMO, just follow the latest posts abill_uk thanked | 02:49 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 02:51 |
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| cehteh | btw what does the n900xray app do? is it a virus? :) | 03:00 |
| * cehteh thinks its a good way to sneak in malicious software with such kinds of apps :P | 03:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I think it's a walpaper, no? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | If I were to sneak in malware, I'd chainload it from postinst script | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nobody seems to ever check complex postinsts | 03:09 |
| javispedro | does anyone check anything? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, except SpeedEvil | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I've read I think install scripts twice. | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice. | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | If yuou think people are reading even popular maemo apps for malware ... | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | pah | 03:10 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, they had a cloud chamber. | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | I bet if you hide some maleware in the code you could even get it into extras | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I faintly recall some underground guerrilla action to demonstrate testing is worth nuttin | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Sure. | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea what became of it | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible it turned out to be no exciting challenge after all | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the expected educational effect most likely would backfire | 03:13 |
| GAN900 | Also: 80s cover band. | 03:14 |
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| GAN900 | sjgadsby may or may not have gotten video of part of the shadow council dancing. | 03:14 |
| javispedro | the shadow council | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you lost me | 03:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to start some tmo trolling just for fun, and to cure boredom | 03:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | until chem|st bans me :-P | 03:16 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: banned, yay :D | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 03:17 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, ssssh. They don't exist. | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | yay for insomnia | 03:18 |
| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: oh :( can any other mail client do that? | 03:19 |
| * javispedro remembers something | 03:19 | |
| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: thanks, by the way | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: dunno, seems there are few other MUAs that are really hildonized | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for cli muas i think you can find several that work and are easily or already ported | 03:21 |
| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: that do the hildon-alert-thing?? | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not | 03:21 |
| * nox- just ssh's to an *ix box and runs mutt | 03:22 | |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests $random-webmail | 03:22 | |
| jonaskoelker | great solutions to the problem I'm not having | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | those web frontends are usually quite nice nowadays | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and if there's a valid usecase then it's on a phone | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for IMAP especially | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, when IMAP is the alternative - I meant to say | 03:23 |
| javispedro | develop your own email client | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | again, Nokia Messaging... | 03:24 |
| javispedro | nokia messaging doesn't exist | 03:24 |
| nox- | i think i still sort thru mail faster using mutt than i could on webmail... | 03:24 |
| javispedro | nokia doesn't exist | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, living in denial eh? :P | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: red or blue pill? | 03:25 |
| javispedro | this student doesn't exist | 03:25 |
| javispedro | damn it doesn't disappear. | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | is that supposed to be a paradox? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: please describe "hildon-alert-thing" | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I guess there are some CLI MUAs that can execute arbitrary cmds when new mail arrives | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: so if it's just about a hildon-notfication, you could implement that via dbus-send. If it's about vibrator or indicator blue flashing: same thing, dbus-send | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG | don't think there's hildon-notification dbus method | 03:28 |
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| javispedro | http://static.arstechnica.com/2011/05/24/pain-civilized-internet.jpg | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, I meant that age old yellow thingie | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | email style? no dbus for that :/ | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure there's no simple way to get proper "you missed 3 calls/mails/sms" with that blinking of upper-left | 03:29 |
| * MohammadAG has a binary for that | 03:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | with arbitrary text for the thumbnail in taskswitcher? | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | Usage: /root/notify123 <title> <subtitle> <icon> | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'd be probably friggin useful | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: see? ^^^ | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | of course, the time is hardcoded | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | since I only did it for tests | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you even get that from the cli mailer of your choice, as long as you can make it start a binary | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | but I'll post sources tomorrow | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, now SLEEP! | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | can't | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or get up and wash and brush your teeth as you gotta go to school in 2 hours | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/notify12 | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/notify123 a | 03:33 |
| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | grr, drop the a | 03:33 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, 6 hours | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, ok | 03:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 03:34 |
| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: what were you saying to me? There's no way to get the blinking upper left? | 03:34 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer sending kids to school since 1985 | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: you asked for a mailer that does imap and hildon-notification-thingie | 03:34 |
| jonaskoelker | yep | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | lol merlin1991 | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you there's a plethora of commandline MUAs to run in xterm | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: and you get that hildon-notification-thingie via one of the suggested methods | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | umm, miscalculated, 8 hours | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | but I'm waking up in 5 | 03:35 |
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| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: I think I missed the suggestions -- my internets were down | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: wb | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 03:36 |
| javispedro | is it morning already? | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonaskoelker: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | in some places yes | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: good (UGT) morning :-) | 03:37 |
| * javispedro goes back to bed | 03:38 | |
| javispedro | gnite folks | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | night javispedro | 03:38 |
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| jonaskoelker | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:40 |
| jonaskoelker | MohammadAG: you had a notifier binary? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-26 02:33:46] <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/notify123 | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/notify123 | 03:40 |
| jonaskoelker | By the way, anyone knows if modest advertises its mail receipts anywhere (i.e. dbus?) | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | no idea, but dbus-monitor --session would help | 03:40 |
| jonaskoelker | got source? | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | it helped me code the mediaplayer clone :p | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | notifier? on the laptop yeah | 03:41 |
| jonaskoelker | pastebin? | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | can't, not on my laptop | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-26 02:32:41] <MohammadAG> but I'll post sources tomorrow | 03:42 |
| jonaskoelker | ah, fair | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | or in 5h | 03:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer swears as can't sit nor stand nor lay down anymore, back hurts like hell | 03:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please fix the hardcoded timer | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sure thing | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | gimme 5h till I wake up | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | well, sleep and wake up | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, NOOO | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | I wish I could IRC while I'm asleep | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | or code | 03:46 |
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| MohammadAG | my facebook app got most features in one sleepless day | 03:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 03:46 | |
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| Pavlz | hello | 04:56 |
| Pavlz | how to update the nokia tablet 770 to the last OS ? | 04:56 |
| Pavlz | i got again OS2006 | 04:57 |
| Pavlz | i need something more recent | 04:57 |
| Pavlz | for the simple situation: SSL's certificate opera expired | 04:58 |
| Pavlz | SSL'S certificate google expired | 04:59 |
| Pavlz | old flash | 04:59 |
| Pavlz | how to do it ? | 04:59 |
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| andre__ | Pavlz, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device | 05:42 |
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| pauly | hi | 06:36 |
| pauly | i have n900 with broken usb is there anyway to reflash it or "start fresh" without usb? | 06:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does it boot? | 06:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you can install meego bootloader, boot meego, and flash the normal image from meego. | 06:43 |
| SpeedEvil | This is very non-trivial though. | 06:43 |
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| pauly | i have n900 with broken usb is there anyway to reflash it or "start fresh" without usb? | 06:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (04:42:57 AM) SpeedEvil: Does it boot? | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (04:43:21 AM) SpeedEvil: In principle, you can install meego bootloader, boot meego, and flash the normal image from meego. | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (04:43:28 AM) SpeedEvil: This is very non-trivial though. | 06:48 |
| pauly | ya it boots? | 06:50 |
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| pauly | just usb is broken | 06:50 |
| pauly | i have pr 1.3 | 06:51 |
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| pauly | is there a way to SSu? | 06:55 |
| pauly | ssu | 06:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can't update to what you have. Where are you? | 07:00 |
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| pauly | im in usa | 07:04 |
| pauly | \maryland usa | 07:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - OK - warranty expired then. | 07:05 |
| SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do? | 07:05 |
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| pauly | my n900 seems slow battery sucks microb is slow i just wanna go back to stock | 07:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Probably better to ask about 8 hours ago, or in another 8, when more people are awake. | 07:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's lots more active then. | 07:08 |
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| pauly | ya | 07:08 |
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| pauly | i like it its just battery sucks and without usb its hard to use | 07:09 |
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| pauly | any new neat apps or anything useful? | 07:09 |
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| pauly | speedEvil: any idea how to increase wifi speed; im using a linksys router as a repeater to steal wireless internet but its too slow to use? | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Too slow? | 07:12 |
| pauly | btw nothing to do with n900 | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by too slow? | 07:12 |
| pauly | data rate | 07:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | The person you're leeching from may not have fast internet. | 07:12 |
| pauly | signal rate 4-8 % and the repeater is at the window | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | get a big antenna and point it. | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Join ##ddwrt | 07:13 |
| {Sergiu} | =) on my 2mb/s wireles hotspot, my n900 can run with 500kb/s MAX | 07:13 |
| {Sergiu} | :) | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | or maybe with one # | 07:13 |
| pauly | i tried to flash their router with dd-wrt firmware so i can boost the Tx Level on their side | 07:13 |
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| blizzow | My n900 just puked up all of it's guts. It is locked at updating firmware, do not interrupt %20. | 09:32 |
| blizzow | I downloaded the flasher and was wondering what the difference between the global and US versions of maemo are? | 09:33 |
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| blizzow | gah, NM, google/maemo.org tells me | 09:33 |
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| blizzow | ewwww, gross, is my N900 bricked? | 09:38 |
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| blizzow | It still says installing software update. Please do not interrupt. 20% | 09:38 |
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| kerio | blizzow: you could try waiting | 09:46 |
| kerio | if it's really stuck... sucks2beu | 09:46 |
| kerio | but it's not bricked | 09:47 |
| kerio | you'll lose your data though :( | 09:47 |
| blizzow | kerio: 1+hour on 20% | 09:47 |
| blizzow | :( | 09:47 |
| kerio | i'd reflash | 09:47 |
| blizzow | I tried re-flashing just now and it just came up at that same screen again. | 09:47 |
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| kerio | well you failed at reflashing then :) | 09:47 |
| kerio | follow the instructions | 09:48 |
| blizzow | I didn't think it was that hard to plug a usb cable in while holding the U key. | 09:48 |
| kerio | did you remove the battery? | 09:48 |
| blizzow | yeah. | 09:48 |
| kerio | then idk \_o_/ | 09:49 |
| blizzow | I'm waiting until it's a little recharged after waiting for this update, I think I drained the battery a fair bit. | 09:49 |
| kerio | you don't need to update, you need to reflash though | 09:52 |
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| Macer | heh | 09:54 |
| dangergrrl | reading a bedtime story on SS7, GSM, and LAPD | 09:55 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 09:57 |
| derf | Moo. | 10:00 |
| RST38h | hey derf | 10:01 |
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| derf | How's tricks? | 10:04 |
| MohammadAG | oh policy system, why do you suck so hard | 10:06 |
| Macer | haha | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | derf: Tired. Know how to solve all the world problems. Do not know how to utilize all the bodies though. | 10:10 |
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| derf | RST38h: Kill them and turn them into zombies. | 10:17 |
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| RST38h | derf: Clean methane energy! | 10:19 |
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| dangergrrl | the problem with zombies is they run out of brains to eat too quickly | 10:21 |
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| RST38h | dangergrrl: clean methane energy is the only answer. | 10:21 |
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| dangergrrl | so | 10:22 |
| dangergrrl | are papers on gsm recommended bedtime reading material? | 10:22 |
| RST38h | no. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | and do avoid anything about SMS or MMS infrastructure. | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | will leave you fucked up for the rest of your life. | 10:23 |
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| dangergrrl | as soon as they even mention SS7 and LAPD my eyes start to get glossy | 10:24 |
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| RST38h | unhealthy reading, indeed | 10:24 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 10:25 |
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| dangergrrl | well, if i remember to breathe deep and calm and that ss7 is all based on x.25 and x.25 is simple... | 10:27 |
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| dangergrrl | at least iḿ not reading itu docs | 10:27 |
| dangergrrl | i´m? | 10:28 |
| dangergrrl | bah, where is single quote on this keymap :) | 10:28 |
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| RST38h | X.25 is where insanity begins | 10:29 |
| dangergrrl | fount some tutorials but most of them are in german | 10:29 |
| dangergrrl | and my german is not so good (read nonexistant_ | 10:29 |
| RST38h | That is because X.25 was invented by nazis during WWII as a covert plan to destroy the best engineering minds of the free world | 10:30 |
| dangergrrl | rofl | 10:30 |
| dangergrrl | this is possible | 10:30 |
| dangergrrl | those nazis were insidious | 10:30 |
| RST38h | IBM supplied them with experimental subjects | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Who later continued working for the company | 10:31 |
| dangergrrl | i thought ibm sold them basically the same tabulating machines used for the us census | 10:31 |
| jaska | and x.400 to catalog all the "untermensch" | 10:31 |
| RST38h | As a side note, anyone knows how to make NANO/PICO *not* to convert ends-of-line from Windows to Unix? | 10:31 |
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| RST38h | dangergrrl: Yep, up until 1942 or something | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Never let a few thousand dead Jews interfere with the business... | 10:32 |
| ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/BlueStacks/ <-- erm... WHY???? | 10:32 |
| dangergrrl | i have a book on ibmś involvement | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | dangergrrl: seen it at bookstores for a while, but satisfied myself with wiki | 10:33 |
| dangergrrl | there good evidence that Watson knew exactly whet the machines were used for | 10:33 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Like there were many possible uses... | 10:34 |
| dangergrrl | i bought the softcopy when it was discounted well for kindle | 10:34 |
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| dangergrrl | though it is looking like i may have to use actual windows to break the kindle drm on my books so i can read them on n900 | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | dangergrrl: there is an easier way | 10:36 |
| dangergrrl | (a violation of the DMCA here in the states) | 10:36 |
| snappy | just powered up a new n900 for the first time, is there anyhting special i need to do to keep it uptodate? or does app manager handle all of this? | 10:36 |
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| dangergrrl | app manager does it but if you just powered up you probably have major updates :) | 10:39 |
| dangergrrl | i think mine came from the factory with PR1.2 | 10:40 |
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| snappy | for some reason it says no updates in app manager, sort of new to all of this heh. | 10:41 |
| dangergrrl | that´s suprising | 10:43 |
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| snappy | ah nevermind, here we go, maemo 5 | 10:44 |
| snappy | i must've missed something or something | 10:44 |
| dangergrrl | should be a big one :) | 10:45 |
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| edheldil | snappy: read on MyNokia fiasco before putting in SIM card | 10:53 |
| snappy | all good, no simcards going in this | 10:55 |
| snappy | thanks for the warning though | 10:56 |
| petteri | edheldil: what are you talking about. I have been happily using SIM in my n900? | 10:57 |
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| edheldil | about the SMS sent to nokia etc. | 11:02 |
| stonda | oh noes! | 11:04 |
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| petteri | edheldil: ah, the one sms nokia sent to me? | 11:09 |
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| dangergrrl | i was just reading that feature phones store your contact list on the SIM card, do we actually do that? (or is it even true?) | 11:12 |
| robbiethe1st | We don't. | 11:13 |
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| robbiethe1st | It's possible to store some stuff on a SIM card, I'm pretty sure... but at best it's like 64K - not enough for a real contact list with all the features | 11:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Nothing like a spare GB of program memory to store /any/ data you want! | 11:14 |
| petteri | at least basic nokia phones can store contacts in the SIM | 11:14 |
| tonypercy | most can but you have limited fields...basically name and number i think? | 11:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | Ours stores it in the OptFS... TBH, it should store it in the RootFS - OptFS is too easily damaged on our device. | 11:15 |
| dangergrrl | i was thinking that my skype and sip contacts would be of limited use on other devices anyhow :) | 11:17 |
| edheldil | dangergrrl: I have some contacts on SIM preloaded, the contact app can import them to addressbook. | 11:17 |
| edheldil | but it's indeed just name+phone | 11:18 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 11:19 |
| tonypercy | edhedil i do the same so i can sms essential numbers from a dongle on a laptop/netbook | 11:19 |
| dangergrrl | just trying to understand what i read :) | 11:19 |
| robbiethe1st | You can pull any data you want out of our addressbook, for use on other devices(if you can find an input) | 11:19 |
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| blizzow | Is there a way to force a flash? My N900 keeps booting into the nokia screen and says "installing software update. Please do not interrupt. 20%" I've tried holding down the U key but that doesn't seem to work. | 11:21 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/nokia-response-to-mynokia-subscription-in-pr1-2/ | 11:21 |
| dangergrrl | this MyNokia fiasco? | 11:22 |
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| dangergrrl | i used mine on wifi for months before i had a SIM card | 11:26 |
| dangergrrl | never noticed SMS to/from MyNokia | 11:26 |
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| snappy | If I repartition/format the /home/users/MyDocs partition, is there anyhting i should be aware of? | 11:43 |
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| snappy | ah nevermind, it sjust the MyDocs heh | 11:45 |
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| dangergrrl | the MyNokia thing is funny | 11:48 |
| dangergrrl | does it really say ¨registration via SMS required¨ somewhere in the unreadably tiny print on the back of the box? | 11:48 |
| dangergrrl | like i can read that | 11:49 |
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| snappy | I'm using nitdroid, and i was messing around with partitioning schemes. Is there a way to reinstall multiboot? | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | snappy: see /topic | 12:36 |
| snappy | haha, totally missed that. | 12:37 |
| snappy | so is that tacitly saying don't bother us with nitdroid shit, or is there a solution here? | 12:38 |
| dangergrrl | oh, they did not do the MyNokia thing to usa users | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | snappy: search in chanlog for multiboot / anrdidiot / batshit | 12:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nitdridiot | 12:43 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 12:44 |
| dangergrrl | thatś somewhat demeaning | 12:44 |
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| dangergrrl | so the shell script for the sdk install fails also but thereś manual step by step instructions later on | 12:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone know how to use opera with a socks proxy? | 12:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Also... my touchscreen is starting to go bust | 12:49 |
| Shapeshifter | quite sad | 12:49 |
| RST38h | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam | 12:49 |
| RST38h | Yesssss | 12:49 |
| RST38h | The Tentacled One approves. | 12:49 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:58 |
| lardman | did I miss a last minute N9/50 release at the conference? | 12:58 |
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| andre__ | lardman, no. | 13:10 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 13:11 |
| lardman | andre__: ah well | 13:11 |
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| Creteil | can someone know if it's possible to edit the web link contained in a shortcut on the desktop ? | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Creteil: tweakr | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Creteil: I bet there's also either a file somewhere, or a gconf key. | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | as tweakr can edit just one of both: either title OR URL, forgot which one | 13:15 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer : | 13:15 |
| Creteil | -bash-2.05b# apt-cache search tweakr | 13:15 |
| Creteil | tweakr - Control panel applet for tweaking various settings | 13:15 |
| Creteil | But I prefer the gconf option ... | 13:15 |
| Creteil | I need to find where is located the key right now ... | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, a peek to tweakr's source might tell | 13:16 |
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| Creteil | Good idea, let me see ... | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you do a `gconftool-1 -R / >before` then create a new shortcut, then do >after and diff before after, also use `find` (the real one, not messybox crap) to find any file in /etc and ~user which is new and of ctime when you made the shortcut | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/-1/-2/ | 13:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: or you do a `gconftool-2 -R / >before` then create a new shortcut, then do >after and diff before after, also use `find` (the real one, not messybox crap) to find any file in /etc and ~user which is new and of ctime when you made the shortcut | 13:18 |
| dangergrrl | iḿ sorry but that is bizarre and kinda creepy (chinese political prisoners gold farming) | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 13:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer takes mental note to update to bash4 on maemo | 13:19 | |
| Shapeshifter | mh. been traveling for a month, what is all this 'N950' talk about | 13:20 |
| dangergrrl | the link from RST38h | 13:20 |
| Shapeshifter | some conference and what leaked video? | 13:20 |
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| lardman | Shapeshifter: the apparently forthcoming device, though no-one knows quite when | 13:21 |
| lardman | there's a set of FCC docs up | 13:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | meego? keyboard? | 13:22 |
| lardman | harmattan presumably | 13:23 |
| lardman | iirc there was a comment in the FCC docs about test with kb open | 13:24 |
| dangergrrl | and we should be excited why? like Nokia has treated n900 customers so well :) | 13:24 |
| lardman | but you'd have to check | 13:24 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 13:24 |
| lardman | dangergrrl: new hw | 13:24 |
| lardman | dangergrrl: I've no problem with the N900 treatment | 13:24 |
| dangergrrl | so maybe itĺl have flash 10 | 13:24 |
| Shapeshifter | where would I buy a replacement touchscreen for the N900 in Europe? | 13:24 |
| lardman | who gives a shit about flash? | 13:24 |
| javispedro | moo | 13:25 |
| dangergrrl | but that will never be updated | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mine's acting up badly | 13:25 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: if it's a dev device don't send it for warranty as it will be eaten | 13:25 |
| dangergrrl | i would like to be able to watch hulu | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: eaten? dev device? | 13:25 |
| * RST38h feeds javispedro a turnip | 13:25 | |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: as in not sent back | 13:26 |
| Shapeshifter | howso? | 13:26 |
| javispedro | lardman: that is amsterdam device? | 13:26 |
| lardman | pre-Amsterdam | 13:26 |
| javispedro | ah. | 13:26 |
| lardman | they said it belongs to Nokia, you can't have it back | 13:26 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: the charger21.sh is buggy and doesn't charge, some of the i2cset commands give errors, I managed to reset the battery without *sweat* | 13:26 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: reset CI=0 | 13:27 |
| Shapeshifter | ah, no no, it's a normal N900. I thought you were supposed to send back the dev devices anyway? | 13:27 |
| Shapeshifter | But I remember there was an online shop selling replacement touch screens and displays. | 13:27 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: this one had an extension | 13:27 |
| javispedro | depends. DDT went through warranty fine. | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: \o/ | 13:27 |
| javispedro | er.. DDP. | 13:27 |
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| lardman | Mine did say "Propery of Nokia, Prototype" or words to that effect; even though the MAC apparently meant it qualified for warranty after a couple of years | 13:28 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: was dropping fast from that point and the charger script did't work... starting bme gave a black screen at first but I managed to recover just in the right time | 13:28 |
| lardman | anyway it does belong to them, so I said no worries | 13:28 |
| Shapeshifter | 'maemo presents the meego coding competition'? hah... | 13:29 |
| javispedro | maemo.org endorses Meego! you know.. | 13:29 |
| chem|st | just before that pagelookup died and I wasn't even able to ping over wifi | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: forget all the FUD/rumour about "new devices" | 13:29 |
| chem|st | dnslookup I mean | 13:29 |
| * javispedro remembers that "endorsement" happened during my council term... | 13:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: try saremi | 13:29 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: and say hello to shahin (old friend of our family) | 13:30 |
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| supervacuo | Hi all, could someone point me in the direction of the best place to ask Pimlico-related questions? ("here" is an acceptable answer too :) ) | 13:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what *is* an "endorsement", anyway? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | psychologe: seems you missed a "/" | 13:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: PR-speak-style kind words. | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | supervacuo: what's that? | 13:31 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: want the bq27-log file? | 13:31 |
| psychologe | oh thanks | 13:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nothing more back then. | 13:31 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 13:32 |
| RST38h | not much more nowadays either | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sure | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: found sth? | 13:32 |
| supervacuo | DocScrutinizer: EDS-integrated single-function apps that work on maemo and GNOME (I'm using them on GNOME): Tasks, Contacts, Dates | 13:32 |
| chem|st | /msg email pls | 13:32 |
| javispedro | supervacuo: pimlico ML might be better | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: joerg at openmoko org | 13:32 |
| javispedro | supervacuo: (ML = mailing list) see http://www.pimlico-project.org/index.html | 13:32 |
| supervacuo | javispedro: OK, thanks. | 13:33 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: still looking | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: no need for /msg, that addr is quite publicly known | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html | 13:35 |
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| * javispedro needs to remember to buy a replacement stylus... | 13:36 | |
| javispedro | before they stop making them that is... | 13:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks. will probably need one of those | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 13:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Didn't expect the touchscreen to die so early though :| | 13:37 |
| Shapeshifter | I even have a foil on it and it never dropped or anything | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite strange. What happened to it? | 13:37 |
| chem|st | grml | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe the foil/protector is the cause of the problem? | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | not unusual | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | log sent | 13:38 |
| Shapeshifter | if I press on the left or bottom parts of the screen, the cursor is all jumpy, as if I were tapping with another stylus somewhere in the middle if the screen. It's like jumping left/right rapidly | 13:39 |
| chem|st | got two emails... as usual I did't attach teh file at first... | 13:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ;-D | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | waiting for #2 | 13:39 |
| Shapeshifter | If I then really do tap on the right side, it 'stabilizes' between the two spots and then it's fine for a short while before jumping around again | 13:39 |
| chem|st | already sent | 13:39 |
| javispedro | sadly, ich spreche kein Deutsch... | 13:39 |
| chem|st | javispedro: thats not a problem most of the germans don't either | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: that may easily be caused by protector | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: stylus? | 13:40 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll take it off when I get home | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | Shapeshifter: have you tried without foil and recalibrate? | 13:40 |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: will try back home | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: don't recalibrate | 13:41 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: mine went like that, eventually I could press in one place and it would randomly register a touch elsewhere, then it failed ocmpletely | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the symptoms are not like offset | 13:41 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I get an (recogniyable) offset after about 15 days | 13:41 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: awesome | 13:41 |
| lardman | back it up now, very hard with no TS | 13:42 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the recalibration resets the resistance table | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: those symptoms are different though | 13:42 |
| chem|st | afair | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, fair enough | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | #2 :-) | 13:42 |
| chem|st | so if the file got currupted somehow that may work | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, but honestly I doubt. Either the protector is applying some tension so outer plane gets bent, or separator oil oxidized/deteriorated by protector glue solvent diffusing thru plane into oil | 13:44 |
| chem|st | sometimes I'd love to have a little reset button for the hardware layer... | 13:44 |
| javispedro | total cost for 3 stylus pack plus versandkosten = 24€ | 13:45 |
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| * javispedro goes look ebay | 13:45 | |
| chem|st | oh they still use glue on those screenprotectors? | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed, they cost more than gold, literally | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: dunno Shapeshifter 's protector | 13:45 |
| chem|st | that is highly known to damage touchscreens especially the cheap ones from china/taiwan/korea | 13:45 |
| chem|st | javispedro: ehrm found a single one once for 6€ | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly they are more cheap at nokia repair ;-) | 13:47 |
| javispedro | I'm pondering wheter to ask them | 13:47 |
| javispedro | maybe they're in a good mood | 13:47 |
| javispedro | hm... will ask and see what happens. | 13:48 |
| chem|st | javispedro: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4645_Original-Nokia-N900-Stylus-Pen-3pcs.html | 13:48 |
| chem|st | 14€ | 13:48 |
| javispedro | chem|st: plus shipping costs / versandkosten | 13:48 |
| javispedro | = 24€ | 13:48 |
| javispedro | also VAT | 13:48 |
| chem|st | 10€ shipping? | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | just *sometimes* manufacturers surprise you. E.G. I sometimes get manuals for free while everybody else is charging $$ for a cheap copy | 13:48 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: was it at saremi you where looking? | 13:49 |
| javispedro | chem|st: yep | 13:49 |
| chem|st | javispedro: where are you at? | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | spain | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | still insane | 13:49 |
| javispedro | yep, for some reason I can't copy the URL of the page listing shipping costs | 13:49 |
| javispedro | stupid browser | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | they might send as standard letter, for 55€ct | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10€ is clearly prohibition | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 3 plastic stick a` 1g each | 13:51 |
| chem|st | 8.90€ to spain | 13:51 |
| javispedro | chem|st: remember VAT | 13:51 |
| javispedro | aka taxes | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | insane | 13:51 |
| chem|st | thats EU no VAT | 13:51 |
| dangergrrl | i found N900 stylus here in the states for $7.99 for 2 | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I might get them for you and send via surface mail | 13:52 |
| javispedro | chem|st: oh yes, 19% | 13:52 |
| chem|st | the 19% are included | 13:52 |
| chem|st | inkl. 19 % MwSt. | 13:52 |
| chem|st | it reads | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | chem|st, what kind of errors? | 13:53 |
| dangergrrl | they will ship international via postal service | 13:53 |
| javispedro | so, 23.79€, not 24€ =) | 13:53 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.mangowalk.com/index.php?sku=65052 | 13:53 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: i2cget some line ~167 | 13:53 |
| dangergrrl | probably have to pay VAT in europe | 13:53 |
| chem|st | i2cset comamnd not found is the first | 13:54 |
| dangergrrl | (I lost my stylus too so i looked) | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: huh? | 13:54 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: i2cset it is | 13:54 |
| chem|st | line 197 | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger script? | 13:54 |
| chem|st | jep | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | check $PATH | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | find where your I2C* are located | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | generally you never should rely on $PATH in scripts | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | always use FQN | 13:55 |
| chem|st | well my path is full of everything wher usual programs are.. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | YOUR path, but maybe not script's path ;-) | 13:56 |
| chem|st | so the script has to be where my I2C is at?! | 13:56 |
| chem|st | find for i2c* does not find any but your i2cget script | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally a good idea to do `I2CGET=/usr/local/sbin/i2cget` | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you haven't installed i2ctools pkg | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither h-e-n ;-) | 13:58 |
| chem|st | nope | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor backupmenu | 13:58 |
| chem|st | what for do I need h-e-n? | 13:58 |
| chem|st | or backupmenu | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 13:58 |
| chem|st | a descent rsync script does my backups | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you anyway need i2ctools nevertheless, for charger script | 13:58 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh. seems like it was the scrren protector. I ran some tests in mypaint drawing straight lines and it got worse and worse, now I took it off and everything is fine. And not a scratch on the display. It's so nice and smooth ;) I should probably get a new protector... | 13:58 |
| Shapeshifter | The old one looked like crap after these odd 15 months | 13:59 |
| chem|st | the i2ctools is in devel right? | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: \o/ | 13:59 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you're not using a protector, right? | 14:00 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: 15 month without protector... no scratch | 14:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer asks for his sacrificed goat | 14:00 | |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: heh | 14:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I prefer sheep! | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: right, on N900 I don't | 14:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | chem|st: well I _am_ careful with the thing as hell but even just the stylus scratched the foil a couple of times because some dust particle got trapped on the stylus tip or so | 14:01 |
| chem|st | javispedro: should we order some and ship you? | 14:01 |
| Shapeshifter | how do you manage to not scratch it | 14:01 |
| javispedro | chem|st: na, going to ask to nokia care | 14:02 |
| Creteil | Nokia N900 resurection :-) : | 14:02 |
| Creteil | http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/05/25/kingmax-introduces-worlds-first-64gb-microsd-card/ | 14:02 |
| javispedro | the guy was very friendly last time | 14:02 |
| javispedro | let's see if they make me a reasonable price. | 14:02 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: those scratches I got too but you cannot see them if not looked at the device in 48° sun:64° eyes correlaion | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: oh, I actually got a scratch cat 2 when some sharp dust was on my fingernail, plus several microscars that are hardly to spot even with mag glass | 14:02 |
| Shapeshifter | meh I have good eyes | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't see either of those scars without a lightsource reflecting on panel in right angle | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | Shapeshifter: that is not the problem... the thing is that I can only guess where they are as fingerprints are more of an issue... | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hardly ever have fingerprints as I usually use nails | 14:04 |
| Shapeshifter | I guess I'll risk it and just buy a spare touch screen just in case | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but don't ask what panel looks like after a phonecall ;-P | 14:05 |
| Shapeshifter | now that it's over a year old I guess I'm not overprotective anymore | 14:05 |
| Shapeshifter | heh | 14:05 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: +1 | 14:05 |
| Shapeshifter | I was thinking about improving the stylus | 14:05 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not super polished | 14:05 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: new screen isn't that expensive although I would buy a new device after warranty anyways (mean new n900) | 14:06 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact I thought that would be the only property of stylus that justifies the price | 14:06 |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: why? hardware seems pretty sturdy | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | ? | 14:06 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's my worst fear about buying a cheap chinese one | 14:06 |
| javispedro | well, apart from it not even fitting in the n900 slot. | 14:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | chem|st: I mean, what good is warranty if the device is sturdy and replacement parts are available | 14:07 |
| chem|st | what for do I need a pentacore 4GB ram 4TBssd phone? | 14:07 |
| javispedro | omg 4TB porn | 14:07 |
| chem|st | there is no need to mirror my desktop to my phone... | 14:08 |
| Shapeshifter | I would enjoy faster browing and faster multitasking. though IO really seems to be the killer bottleneck on the n900 | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: though SpeedEvil did | 14:08 |
| nid0 | tbh, if you had a pentacore phone with that kind of memory and storage | 14:08 |
| nid0 | why have a desktop? | 14:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 32GB hdd in his desktop? | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe same here | 14:08 |
| Lynoure | nid0: keyboard and large screen is nice. | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | my home partitions is like 20, root like 14 | 14:09 |
| Lynoure | nid0: as the phone does not do mindreading yet :) | 14:09 |
| * Shapeshifter loves his SSD... | 14:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | then there's that C and D carp | 14:09 |
| chem|st | nid0: because of the fermi-graphics in my desktop | 14:09 |
| nid0 | Lynoure: you can plug keyboards and large screens into most phones. | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (C / D) which more and more becomes a PITA | 14:10 |
| Lynoure | nid0: give me a docking station, sure, the phone would then be my desktop | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the 60GB disk is kinda obsolete anyway | 14:10 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: system is 20 in sum then there is 160 home and 2TB crypt | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, this is a dirt cheap fujiSie esprimo | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | like 4 y old | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a 160 usb | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | for backups | 14:12 |
| chem|st | if I manage to afford a 1TB 2.5" sata I may have another 160gb usb... | 14:13 |
| Lynoure | nid0: but currently the phones fall far short of that. :) | 14:13 |
| chem|st | my netbook got 160gb more than enough, BUT to mirror my desktop... I would need 1TB at least | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, your 'netbook' seems better than my main PC (which is this laptop) | 14:14 |
| chem|st | I want a TX100 | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I don't do mp3 collect-the-world or dl of whole films except for an occasional DrHouse | 14:15 |
| chem|st | my mp3 collection is not that big but I started to collect old series like GIS SAC | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I usually stream movies | 14:17 |
| chem|st | to force my kids some day to watch the "good'ol" | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I do at all | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (this LCD is a PITA, esp the SIS graca) | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if I watch movies, I stream to N900 linked to my TV ;-) | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I kinda hate the quality, but it's magnitudes better than on this laptop junk | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SiS968 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 01) <--- don't even consider to use this pile of silicon crap for watching movies! | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp not when screen is 1280*800 but driver can't do beter than *768 with interpolation | 14:23 |
| chem|st | my netbook renders 720p just fine, and that is mostly cpu afaik | 14:24 |
| chem|st | ouch | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no X driver for this fsckng chip | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tink it's VESA | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or HERCULEs ;-) | 14:25 |
| dangergrrl | are there still hercules drivers in X? | 14:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably | 14:27 |
| dangergrrl | do any old hercules cards still function? :) | 14:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. Not on modern hardware, no... but there's a few still out there | 14:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Along with everything else of that vintage | 14:28 |
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| dangergrrl | i suppose i was using one until 1993 | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's that friggin XORG startup log? | 14:32 |
| dangergrrl | are there are still pdp-11ś functioning from the 1970s | 14:32 |
| dangergrrl | and there are | 14:32 |
| dangergrrl | as if my typing did not suck | 14:32 |
| jaska | *shrug* i did break into a pdp-11 during a security checkup in the late 90s | 14:32 |
| jaska | dunno if its still there | 14:32 |
| jaska | was controlling some manufacturing gear | 14:33 |
| dangergrrl | i still remember some default passwords on some vintage equipment | 14:33 |
| jaska | rsx-11m | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, probably my first PDP11 been the one 1990-- at university I contacted via datex-p dialup and found the guest account had kinda root rights | 14:34 |
| dangergrrl | old vms had systest/uetp | 14:34 |
| jaska | sounds like ancient vms | 14:34 |
| dangergrrl | 1983 or so | 14:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: have you ever seen bme rebooting if battery fails to charge in N time? | 14:36 |
| chem|st | dangergrrl: and I got one of those just next door | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nope | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: but I guess dsme will reboot when bme segfaults N times due to bq27200.ko modprobed | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: elaborate pls | 14:38 |
| javispedro | just pondering due to a recent tmo message | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you told me about that, on diablo | 14:38 |
| javispedro | yep | 14:38 |
| dangergrrl | chem|st: i just like to play with simh sometimes when i am bored | 14:38 |
| javispedro | that's why I am interested. | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never looked into my diablo bme | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's baeh | 14:39 |
| javispedro | but the question was about the n900 one, due to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1014031 | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ we're at >10^6 posts at TMO - omfg | 14:40 |
| javispedro | I would have expected to reboot endlessly | 14:40 |
| javispedro | but seems that the n900 one doesn't share that behaviour | 14:40 |
| javispedro | hehe | 14:40 |
| dangergrrl | must be naptime, the sun is up here | 14:40 |
| dangergrrl | btw, installing the SDK with the ¨Manual¨ instructions is working well for me thanks for saying the gui was garbage :) | 14:42 |
| javispedro | imho all installers are garbage, /me always installs sb1 first then all targets one by one | 14:42 |
| javispedro | this way I can still install chinook and diablo targets on recent sb1 =) | 14:43 |
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| dangergrrl | restarting with rootstrap because apt failed on 1 out of 450 files is nuts | 14:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if MohammadAG will fix that wiki page, to deprecate the pyscript installer hoax | 14:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess it caused an economic damage of some tenthousands of $ til now | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming an average wages/h for poor trapped users of like 30$ | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not taking into account any damage done to reputation, CR, and all the devels in spe repelled | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a mere bold abomination | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | a mean prank on users of that wiki intruction | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, we had like 5 requests for help with exactly this shit, during last 2 days | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemosdk | 14:59 |
| infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | chem|st: I have - typically - a 16G / - this means I can back it up easily. | 15:01 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: backups are collected from several machines so a 16g pendrive is not an option | 15:13 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess I should add a check for i2c utils :) | 16:06 |
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| Volvagia356 | alright | 16:27 |
| Volvagia356 | I'm have NITDroid on my N900 (eMMC), I want to overclock Maemo, can I just install titan's kernel or is there some thing else I should do? | 16:28 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: would you mind to add the Overclocking to the last bit of the topic? | 16:31 |
| psycho_oreos | titan's power kernel should be enough for starter | 16:31 |
| * psycho_oreos waits for a user to complain a dead device after excessively overclocking | 16:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omapoc | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 16:32 |
| infobot | rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: duh, you need even more of those reports? | 16:33 |
| Volvagia356 | so installing titan's kernel won't affect multiboot? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I was hoping to see it realtime this time :) | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | `ZOMG! my N900 is dead!!! help!!!!!11!1!!!' | 16:34 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so go ahead, tell Volvagia356 how to oc to 1.2GHz and then do video playback while on host-mode and maemo-hotspot | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to take pictures when LiIon cell explodes :-P | 16:35 |
| Volvagia356 | ==; | 16:35 |
| * psycho_oreos isn't keen on guiding someone too far in on overclocking knowing that he never overclocked his N900 and has a pair working just lovely @ 600MHz | 16:36 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: love the one where BCMM says "not-on-fire way" | 16:36 |
| psycho_oreos | probably burnt plastic smell :D hazardous too | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably best thing we can do is to tell Volvagia356 to simply install PK, then when he comes back complaining about no-more-booting_nuttin-helps point him to topic | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: sorry, some of us are fed up with some particular topics | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really planning to play evil pranks on you | 16:40 |
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| Volvagia356 | I see | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're just angry about the OC fanbois that have no clue but claim 'it's safe', and also we are angry on nitdroid guys for using multiboot which is a stinking pile of sh*** | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you were unlucky to mention both buzzwords in just one question ;-) | 16:42 |
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| * dashavoo tries not to laugh out loud in the office | 16:43 | |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, ah but is there a uboot method for nitdroid yet? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nitdridiot dudes just don't care | 16:44 |
| psycho_oreos | probably not publicly available | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 16:44 |
| chem|st | afaicare... | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 16:45 |
| Volvagia356 | so OCing is generally not recommended? | 16:45 |
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| chem|st | Volvagia356: nope | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | my standard advice: if you're interested in android, get a dedicated device. Works way better than N900-nitdroid and is probably really cheap | 16:46 |
| chem|st | and gets less updates than n900... | 16:46 |
| chem|st | 84% of sold droids ever got updates | 16:46 |
| chem|st | n*ever | 16:47 |
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| Volvagia356 | I see | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's also #nitdroid afaik | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway this is #maemo | 16:49 |
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| dashavoo | The latest power-kernel did weird things to my N900 (as being as we are vaguely on the topic)... the "turn on device" option after my alarm clock went off stopped turning the phone on | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | we might accept occasional excursions to meego | 16:49 |
| dashavoo | I thought I was just experiencing early morning brain-fails the first few days it happened | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: good find, get someone to confirm it, then open a ticker on bugtraq | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ticket even | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: were you the one with uboot and kernelpower? | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno who's maintaining PK now | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got this combination, yes | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: why? | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | got a fresh microsd here | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | wanna try meego with uboot | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | but have powerkernel | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | so how did you do it? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | get MohammadAG 's pk+uboot pkg | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be in extras-devel | 16:53 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, you know you said paid for ovi packages are on a diff server? is that still an apt repo - can it be used with http auth perhaps (ovi login details) | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's pk46, but who cares (see dashavoo above ;-D ) | 16:53 |
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| Lantizia | Hey I've got the flashlight-applet installed but it doesn't show up on the drop down (the one with clock, internet, profile, bluetooth etc) | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I'm using the modified powerkernel for the wifi driver, guess I'll have to get MohammadAG to tell me how he did his uboot 46 pkg | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be documented around / next to uBoot though - possibly meego wiki | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | i looked at uboot source | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | nothing there | 16:57 |
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| merlin1991 | meego wiki neither | 16:57 |
| Lantizia | nvm i'm being dense | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's most probably not really related to source | 16:58 |
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| merlin1991 | well I hoped to find stuff in the readme :D | 16:58 |
| Volvagia356 | so, anything else I should know? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | btw yay for Mohammads description of the uboot pkg | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mehehe | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat hater? | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | DO NOT USE THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. RISK OF REBOOT LOOPS! MAY EAT YOUR BRAIN | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: nothing comes to mind | 17:00 |
| merlin1991 | now it's time to see if I can extract enough info from regular uboot power uboot and other docs todo hacked power uboot :D | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: except maybe to mention the really cool stuff is happening in CSSU nowadays | 17:00 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: what do you think about uploading the wifi modules to -devel | 17:01 |
| merlin1991 | the latest power kernel does include the kernel side stuff but not the modules | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lxp or what's been his nick promised to do that, no? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: go ahead | 17:01 |
| merlin1991 | afaik in the tmo thread the new maintainer said he's not going todo the modules but included the kernel side stuff | 17:02 |
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| Volvagia356 | I'm not sure if it's possible, but is it possible to force the system so that the back cover is always attatched and the camera slider is always open? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | new maintainer of PK, yeah | 17:02 |
| edheldil | Could the process of pushing packages to extras be enhanced with request for more descriptive descriptions? :) | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: whatever that means, the answer is: basically no, but on linux everything is 'possible' | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: possibly | 17:04 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a hardware hack for that, check mugen's battery cover for N900, it doesn't have camera slider and makes N900 look more slightly bulky | 17:04 |
| Volvagia356 | here's what happened | 17:04 |
| Volvagia356 | the magnet is gone | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | eew | 17:05 |
| edheldil | Lantizia: open lens cover and close photo app first | 17:05 |
| Volvagia356 | I've put my own magnet in there, it works | 17:05 |
| Lantizia | edheldil, yeah i figured that out :) hence... <Lantizia> nvm i'm being dense | 17:05 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 17:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer considers to get proper spare magnets and sell those | 17:06 | |
| Lantizia | edheldil, don't suppose there's a way of stopping the camera app from autostarting? | 17:06 |
| Volvagia356 | however, the sensor won't detect the camera slider openning unless I shine a laser into it (the sensor) | 17:06 |
| merlin1991 | anoyone got the link to the tmo thread for the 47 pk, can't find it with search | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: wut? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 17:06 |
| Volvagia356 | yeah, pretty odd case | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your black/white thing attached to cam slider | 17:06 |
| Volvagia356 | it's there | 17:07 |
| Volvagia356 | it's a used unit by the way | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | clean sensor | 17:07 |
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| Volvagia356 | it looks as if someone used a knife and pryed out the magnet | 17:07 |
| b0unc3 | I'm trying to build a qml app that loads images from network and build a listview, but I'm getting this error: QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' | 17:07 |
| b0unc3 | (Make sure 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().) | 17:07 |
| edheldil | Lantizia: when something is already using the camera, the camera app does not start. Does not help with flashlight, though :) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: make sure your replacement magnet doesn't interfere with sensor (they are really close to each other | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | some "transparent" scotch tape might suffice to spoil things | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | ffs where's that tmo thread about the new kernel power, I need to find the dev / his email | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, as suggested, clean the sensor carefully with some q-tip or similar | 17:11 |
| Volvagia356 | I see | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | gently | 17:11 |
| Volvagia356 | that's kinda obvious | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: if you got a second IR sensitive camera, you also could check sensor for emitting short IR strobes | 17:15 |
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| Volvagia356 | ah, I didn't know that | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda similar to that: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10033 | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though I failed with N900 cam for the proxy sensor, other used better cams and were able to tell proxy is flashing like 5/s) | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the camslide seens same type of sensor as proxy | 17:19 |
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| Volvagia356 | I can see the IR light from the proximity sensor, but not the camera slider sensor | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then odds are it's broken | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall PR1.0 had that funny detail to open up camera whn you removed back cover and placed device on a bright surface | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | US warranties suck. | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | EU++ | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe first owner had those issues when magnet got lost, or - even worse - thought sensor needs cleaning/messing when camera didn't start on door-open when magnet been gone. So that might explain why sensor is broken | 17:23 |
| arvut | I just had the most awesome quad espresso, with 85% chocolate and orange juice. effin sweet munchies that is. | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first owner killed it, in an attempt to fix things | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the knife traces where magnet supposed to be suggest the first owner did some nasty attempts to fix sth | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nasty clueless attempts | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you *might* be able to patch camera-ui to ignore state of cam-door | 17:27 |
| Volvagia356 | the problem is not camera-ui | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, try the FOSS camera-ui replacement | 17:27 |
| Volvagia356 | that can be solved by removing the back cover | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what else is the problem? | 17:28 |
| Volvagia356 | other apps | 17:28 |
| Volvagia356 | that insist on the camera slider being open | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you said you fixed the magnet with a replacement, and your camdoor sensor seems broken | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could probably patch those as well | 17:29 |
| Volvagia356 | too bad my programming experience is limited to PHP | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's for sure some string in those apps that tells about /sys/foo/bar/GPIO/switches/camdoor/state or similar | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sys and state is confirmed, rest is made up by me | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the sysnode telling about state of camdoor | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | patch that string to point to sth that returns "open" or "1" (whatever state says usually) | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g. replace sys by szz, and create a stack of directories with a file named state at the end, which has "open" in it | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsof|grep <yourapp> might help | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | then open the binary with a hex editor, and search for the "sys/....../state" string, edit it, store | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't change length of string! | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | might or might not pan out | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course if you got the source of <yourapp> then it's way simpler | 17:36 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=71879 | 17:37 |
| Volvagia356 | I see, thanks | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also could decide to patch the kernel to deliver whatever you like in that particular sysnode, but that's kinda tedious | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | thanks psycho_oreos | 17:38 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, just be warned there's some issues with this unofficial kernel | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, a really strange and weird idea: send device to nokia repair (or another qualified repair shop) | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | get it fixed | 17:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer scrolls back to reread that comment about mugen backdoor | 17:40 | |
| Volvagia356 | I guess he means this http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm that hardware hack most likely is a magnet and a white patch of sticky tape | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't help with broken sensor | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought newer mugen back covers have a "switch" for camdoor? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as those clowns not even realized the problem with their first version, and had to replace all the 1st-gen covers | 17:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's an on/off switch on the back from that picture | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so that's V2 | 17:46 |
| psycho_oreos | yup, it even says its redesigned back-cover | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>UPDATE: Comes with new re-designed back cover! microSD and Camera works!<< | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 17:47 |
| psycho_oreos | looks a lot better than v1, v1 with N900 looked like an old fat remote | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't like the price | 17:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | that also includes the battery, supposedly you can get it without the battery: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=872436&postcount=2 | 17:53 |
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| chem|st | ok got a 300€ spare now... new n900? I wait till n9x if it is capa then I buy another n900! | 18:00 |
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| dashavoo | chem|st: I never have money spare, how have you managed that? | 18:03 |
| psycho_oreos | if and when n9x comes out I'll probably purchase it, for now I'm more than happy with a spare N900 that I use for emergencies | 18:05 |
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| Lantizia | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1016093 | 18:09 |
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| Lantizia | thought I'd put up my "how to make MyDocs ext3" guide for others | 18:09 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: wiki not TMO pls and then link from tmo to wiki | 18:14 |
| chem|st | but good work! | 18:15 |
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| chem|st | if it is in the wiki you dont have to find the thread ever again | 18:16 |
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| chem|st | dashavoo: have to pay some things and clean my deposit and then there are 300€ left for fun | 18:16 |
| Itschue | hello can can someone help my device hang up until boot the white screen with NOKIA comes the led lights white and then it shut off | 18:17 |
| chem|st | Itschue: is it charged? | 18:19 |
| chem|st | "device hang up until boot" is not a proper description... please elaborate | 18:19 |
| chem|st | the point you describe is where powermanagement kicks in and if uncharged it just shuts down again | 18:20 |
| Itschue | befor it shut down it has 70% bat load | 18:21 |
| chem|st | Itschue: that doesn't matter, the readings can be wrong | 18:21 |
| chem|st | the driver is more like guessing percentage than actualy telling the truth | 18:22 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, ah ok - will get to that when i get back from the shops bbl | 18:22 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: cool, thanks | 18:22 |
| Itschue | some days ago after installing over fapman device did not work then i flashed it it work but it reboot by itself error was sw_rst then i flash vanilla and combined and it worked but in the night it reboots by itself again(but only one time) and yesterday evening it shutdown by itself | 18:22 |
| chem|st | if you need help setting up proper descriptions and stuff you will find ppl here to help you! | 18:23 |
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| chem|st | Itschue: there might be some issue with the battery then | 18:23 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: your turn ;) ^^ | 18:24 |
| Itschue | that was my thougt but im wasnt sure | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 18:24 |
| Itschue | yrsterday evening i orderd a new bat and the dt-33 | 18:24 |
| chem|st | Itschue: I just reset the battery myself yesterday, wrong readings are pain | 18:24 |
| cehteh | is it somehoe possible to put links to webradio urls on the desktop? | 18:24 |
| Itschue | pls in german | 18:25 |
| chem|st | cehteh: directly no, could do desktop shortcuts... | 18:25 |
| chem|st | cehteh: occasionally or repeatingly used? | 18:26 |
| Itschue | ist mein akku tot? kann man den prüfen | 18:26 |
| chem|st | Itschue: dead no, test yes | 18:26 |
| Itschue | and sure it is the batt? | 18:27 |
| Itschue | test how? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather | 18:27 |
| chem|st | Itschue: no not sure but sounds like my battery | 18:27 |
| Itschue | ok | 18:27 |
| chem|st | if properly charged again you may test some stuff | 18:27 |
| chem|st | s/charged/booted/ | 18:28 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: if properly booted again you may test some stuff | 18:28 |
| cehteh | chem|st: i just wonder that there is no "put shortcut on desktop" menu in the mediaplayer | 18:28 |
| chem|st | cehteh: the stuff is all basics, nothing advanced... | 18:28 |
| chem|st | generating playlists is a pain | 18:29 |
| Itschue | my english inst the best i need a working device to test battery ? or can i test it with a digitalmultimeter | 18:29 |
| chem|st | would love to have playlist shortcuts too | 18:29 |
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| cehteh | chem|st: yes but its not present | 18:29 |
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| chem|st | Itschue: as long as the device is booting something and shuts down again the battery seems OK but there is hardware in the battery and in the device working together te determine readings | 18:30 |
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| Itschue | and these hardware can be brickd? | 18:30 |
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| Itschue | yesterday i thougt something goes wrong while flashing and i tried to flash vanilla and i cant flash it | 18:31 |
| cehteh | my cheap 2nd battery just died too .. prolly too much bending in the briefcase | 18:31 |
| cehteh | lost contact or so | 18:31 |
| Itschue | sorry i back laterin aprox 45min | 18:32 |
| chem|st | Itschue: yes but no, the hardware has learning cycles to determine the "real" capacity of your battery, removeing the batt and charging it in between in the first few cycles can affect these logic elements | 18:33 |
| chem|st | bad drivers too | 18:33 |
| chem|st | so I am out for dinner then bye lads | 18:34 |
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| ShadowJK | chem|st, removing the battery for long does for sure reset the hw "fuel gauge" to defaults, which are 2000-ish mAh battery, which is obviously not the case on our N900 | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | bme doesn't use the hw fuel gauge (bq27200) chip though | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://correlate.googlelabs.com/search?e=n900&e=farmville&t=weekly# | 19:03 |
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| CaCO3 | Hi DocScrutinizer or cehteh or ShadowJK | 19:10 |
| cehteh | or? | 19:11 |
| CaCO3 | well, I am lookin for one of you guys :) | 19:11 |
| * cehteh runs | 19:11 | |
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| CaCO3 | ;) dont panic :) | 19:12 |
| CaCO3 | I saw a irc log from january 2010, where you guys discussed charging current | 19:12 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer is the expert there | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 19:12 |
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| CaCO3 | I am building an external bvattery pack for the usb port. Now, when I shorten the D+, D- line, I get max 450mA | 19:12 |
| CaCO3 | do you know how to reach the stated 1.2A? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, who's stating 1.2A? | 19:13 |
| cehteh | the charger can deliver 1.2A | 19:13 |
| CaCO3 | with 450mA, the charging e3fficiency I calculated is only 66% | 19:13 |
| CaCO3 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Battery_Charger | 19:13 |
| cehteh | CaCO3: well charge current depends on how full the battery is too | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | we all know that page, but I dunno what's your point | 19:14 |
| cehteh | tried with an empty battery? | 19:14 |
| CaCO3 | I supply 5V and only can charge with 450mA max | 19:14 |
| cehteh | and also what kind of electronics and battery do you use | 19:14 |
| CaCO3 | jup, battery at 0% | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger limits USB current to 950mA for fastcharging, to treat battery nice | 19:15 |
| cehteh | i soldered a usb cable with D pins shortened recently and it works well | 19:15 |
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| CaCO3 | the external power device doesnt matter, I also tried a dc svoltage supply | 19:15 |
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| cehteh | you shortened them on the device side? :) | 19:15 |
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| CaCO3 | normaly I use 200 ohms, but tried also shortening them | 19:16 |
| cehteh | yeah shortening them is a hack .. 200ohms or so are speced | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: the charger does a CC/CV charging, that means it won't go above the configured current nor above the configured voltage of LiIon cell, whatever kicks in first | 19:16 |
| CaCO3 | 950 would be fine as well ;) | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: BS | 19:17 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: wikipedia says so :P | 19:17 |
| CaCO3 | whats CC/CV? | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shortening is the spec, where your short must be <200 | 19:17 |
| cehteh | ah | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: constant current / constant voltage | 19:17 |
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| cehteh | anyway i never measured the charge current .. i only noticed with bad cables that it wont charge at all .. or that charging takes very long | 19:19 |
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| CaCO3 | well, shortening (0 ohms) gives me at 5.05V only 470mA (battery level at 44%) | 19:19 |
| cehteh | while here at my desk i just plug it in over the normal usb cable to a hub .. that charges slowly but acceptable | 19:19 |
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| CaCO3 | I made myself a usb extention cable with 200 ohms, as most chargers else do not work | 19:20 |
| CaCO3 | (wall chargers) | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: that's what the charger chip does when no support from sw kicks in: detect D+- short, and switch to max500mA@3.7V | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, forget that 200ohm BS | 19:20 |
| CaCO3 | I know, but I didnt like a pure shortcut ;) | 19:21 |
| CaCO3 | so how could we tell it to go higher? | 19:21 |
| * cehteh just shortened it and it works | 19:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bme will usually tell charger to go to 950mA@4.20V | 19:21 |
| cehteh | i bet this cheap usb hub has no limiting and acknowledgement of power and i can use my rigged charge cable to fast charge the device on the hub :P | 19:22 |
| CaCO3 | so I would have to request it by software | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your battery only takes 226mA@4.2V then what can charger do? | 19:22 |
| CaCO3 | its the original battery | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at ~50% charge the LiIon charging curve enters CV branch | 19:23 |
| cehteh | but when its already 44% full it may take less ... most currentl flows when its empty at the first 20 minutes or so | 19:23 |
| CaCO3 | you know, it is not really that important, just hoped the charging efficiency could go up. and also the time :) 3..4h is just a lot | 19:23 |
| CaCO3 | the nokai charger doies it much faster | 19:23 |
| cehteh | then shortening the pins and dont use 200 ohms and see | 19:23 |
| CaCO3 | ok, will try that | 19:23 |
| cehteh | well whats the inner resistance of your power source .. can it deliver more current without voltage drop? | 19:24 |
| CaCO3 | after I force drained the battery again :) | 19:24 |
| CaCO3 | 3A should be enough .) | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it starts with 950mA and voltage going up from maybe 3.5V to 4.2V, then it stays at 4.2V and current goes down from 950mA to finally zero(virtually) | 19:24 |
| CaCO3 | and my external USB battery pack is designed to supply at least 1A | 19:24 |
| cehteh | at 5V? | 19:25 |
| cehteh | self made pack? | 19:25 |
| CaCO3 | I have 2 3.7 LiIon in series to have enough voltage and use a dc dc converter to generate 5V | 19:25 |
| CaCO3 | yup | 19:25 |
| CaCO3 | at the moment only on the table, but I will pack it into a nice case | 19:25 |
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| * cehteh buyed the bike Reecharge thingy .. too lazy to build one by myself | 19:26 | |
| CaCO3 | the problem is the efficiency :( the charger has only 66% and my circuit as well. that makes it less than 50% efficient in tola | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: there's definitely nothing to optimize with charging, except to go for D+- short rather than this odd ill 200R | 19:26 |
| cehteh | yes not much you can do | 19:27 |
| CaCO3 | cehteh: whats the capacity of your batteries | 19:27 |
| CaCO3 | (bike charger) | 19:27 |
| cehteh | 1600 mah LiPoly | 19:27 |
| cehteh | http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack | 19:27 |
| CaCO3 | how many charges do you get out of it? | 19:27 |
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| cehteh | barely 1 i'd guess. i never used it for that | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly one | 19:28 |
| cehteh | its only for buffering at stops, usually its suppiled by the hub dynamo | 19:28 |
| CaCO3 | :( thats also what I expect | 19:28 |
| CaCO3 | I will use 4x a LiIon 980mAh | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw bq27200 should be way better than 66% | 19:28 |
| CaCO3 | might buy bigger batteries if it works well | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | @ 66% charging would overheat device | 19:29 |
| cehteh | well any electronics cant be worse than the nokia CA-146C :) | 19:29 |
| CaCO3 | well, I charged it with a wall charger and measured the current over time | 19:29 |
| CaCO3 | then I calculated the used maH and got to roughly 66% | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what's the unit of the resulting value? I don't get what you're reading out of that? | 19:30 |
| CaCO3 | (very quickly measured) | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: you considered the device running and consuming power while charging? | 19:30 |
| CaCO3 | if i charge 4h with average 350mAh that gives 1400mAh | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite a bit of power | 19:31 |
| CaCO3 | yup, I considered that, no apps running, cpy mostly idle, display off | 19:31 |
| cehteh | how does the bq27200 massage the charging, DCDC converter too or linear? | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dc/dc | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | step down | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shominimumuld be at 80% | 19:32 |
| cehteh | yeah .. so you have quite some losses at all ends | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmpf | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be at 80% min | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | FWIW, I built my own charger too, and it turned out I was losing a non-zero amount of volts in the cable I used (butchered some generic usb extension cable) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly more like 90% | 19:32 |
| cehteh | efficiency? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:32 |
| CaCO3 | well, I did it very roughly, might be a bit higher, expecially if I use 0 ohms instead 200 ohms | 19:32 |
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| cehteh | yes i guessed too something between 80-90% | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | this doesn't make any diff on digital | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | just 200R are ABS MAX | 19:33 |
| cehteh | but if your battery feeds a dcdc stepdown with 80-90% first and then the device has another dcdc then its not terriby efficient anymore | 19:33 |
| CaCO3 | the biggest problem is, when the battery is fully empty, it will limit the current to 100mA as the OS is off, even I would give it more. | 19:33 |
| cehteh | but there isnt much you can do | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It boots once it hits 3.?V | 19:34 |
| CaCO3 | dono, never tried | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | And then negotiates. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, the charger is a tiny chip with a small choke. If you charge 1A@5V * (100%-66%) you'd melt down that thing | 19:34 |
| cehteh | for massaging the dynamo's current there are some good reasons to use a good old linear regulator too :) | 19:35 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: heatsink, massive Fan :) | 19:35 |
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| CaCO3 | ah, thats the nose my N900 always makes :) | 19:35 |
| CaCO3 | first I did the dc dc converter myself with PWM and a micro controller. But its responding too slow when the current rises. this makes the N900 to deny the charging :( | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: there's NO way to get OS off when charging | 19:36 |
| CaCO3 | now I use a chip (MC34063) which works well | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | except battery undervolt | 19:37 |
| CaCO3 | well, if the battery is dead it will shut down :) | 19:37 |
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| CaCO3 | and only start again when the voltage raised | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and when you charge it will boot up | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which happens after ~2min at max | 19:37 |
| cehteh | http://www.nokiausers.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/3814186139_0ddc2ef5b0.jpg when heat wants to go out, it finds its way :) | 19:37 |
| CaCO3 | hmm, most time (even with the nokai wall charger) I cant boot it up | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't boot to system maybe | 19:38 |
| CaCO3 | lol, I read about the danger of that converter | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the hw is all up and working | 19:38 |
| CaCO3 | ok, that is right, the logo comes on | 19:38 |
| CaCO3 | and then goes dark again | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | still up | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | called act_dead | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | init 2 | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 19:39 |
| CaCO3 | :) all right, I understand | 19:39 |
| CaCO3 | will give it another try when I have a few hours time. | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and odds are it *might* consume even more in that state than during some states you'd consider "booted up" | 19:40 |
| cehteh | btw there is some standby mode which is not in use, is that suspend to ram or what? | 19:40 |
| CaCO3 | I hope to get at least one full charge out of my 4x 980mAh | 19:40 |
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| CaCO3 | as I have quite a few of those laying around | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll definitely get a full charge when system is idle | 19:41 |
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| cehteh | should be possible .. just dont expect 100% as full charge but be happy with 95% | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | CaCO3, as for efficiency measurements, consider that device power consujption is 80-100mA minimum while on charger | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:41 |
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| cehteh | if its USB (with data enabled) then even more .. some stupid interrupts keep the cpu warm and cuddly | 19:42 |
| kerio | cehteh: suspend-to-ram works, but you need a bit of support for stuff like the clock | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | system quite busy with charging | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:42 |
| CaCO3 | so when I charge with 500mA I already "lose" 20% | 19:42 |
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| kerio | but of course you need to not be charging and you need to turn on the offline mode | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for powering the device | 19:42 |
| kerio | otherwise the radio will just keep waking your phone up :( | 19:42 |
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| kerio | radio and bme, i suppose | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so better charge while using the device | 19:42 |
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| kerio | stupid bme :( | 19:43 |
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| cehteh | my device gets warmer when charging on usb hub than on wall charger .. while wall charger is faste | 19:43 |
| kerio | no, really, why doesn't the n900 have support for fully softwareless charging? :( | 19:43 |
| cehteh | are | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: s2ram works but is worthless for almost everything | 19:43 |
| CaCO3 | it has, just with low current | 19:43 |
| CaCO3 | ond power off :) | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: because the chip is built that way | 19:44 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats prolly the reason why its disabled by default | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr who's disabled? | 19:45 |
| cehteh | suspend to ram | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, yeah | 19:45 |
| cehteh | i was just thinking before a transcontinental flight .. | 19:45 |
| cehteh | but then again .. shutting it down is better | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | either you lose all connectivity plus charging, or you resume in a second | 19:45 |
| CaCO3 | BTW: does anybody know why the N900 can not handle the battery level propperly of noname batteries? | 19:45 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: bme is not disabled, bme is retarded | 19:45 |
| CaCO3 | I have 2 of them, and it always shows either 100% or 0% | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, in quite some ways | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: wrong BSI resistor | 19:46 |
| CaCO3 | the one in the battery? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be 100k | 19:46 |
| CaCO3 | did you ever try to fix that? | 19:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer ? | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | never had that problem | 19:47 |
| CaCO3 | (if possible at all?) | 19:47 |
| CaCO3 | are you using othe rbranded batteries? | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probe BSI to err, plus? nah minus, err plus? | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have 3 batteries all fine | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you get sth other than 100k then either fix or dump the battery - or live with it | 19:48 |
| CaCO3 | well, except the status they are fine :) So I started to use the voltage as an indication, that works quite well :) | 19:49 |
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| CaCO3 | Its more as a backup, in case I run out of battery | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:49 |
| CaCO3 | and to tease my Iphone friends :) | 19:49 |
| kerio | i suppose the thing i'm the most bummed about is the lack of "hardware" charging at the bootloader level | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway if you know how to 'short' d+. with 200R you also know how to probe bsi | 19:50 |
| CaCO3 | so is the BSI resistance just between GND and the 3th pin? | 19:50 |
| * ShadowJK runs without bme | 19:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: indeed NOLO *could* do charging, unless Nokia was so scared about their bse^Hbme unknown software | 19:51 |
| CaCO3 | allright, both of my noname batteries have 67kOhms | 19:51 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: bsbme? | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, the bootloader actually supports charging.. it charges until it thinks there's enough to boot the kernel :) | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | BSE | 19:52 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: until there's not | 19:52 |
| kerio | :( | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: indeed | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | But it "doesn't work" if user fucks up their install so that kernel+os crashes | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't charge though during flashing | 19:53 |
| CaCO3 | so do you think adjustiing the BSI resistor to 100k would fix that issue? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:53 |
| CaCO3 | I always thought thats kind of a data/measurement line) | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | it will fix it if: battery capacity is sufficiently close to 1320mAh | 19:54 |
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| cehteh | my battery is meanwhile degraded enough :P | 19:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hands over to ShadowJK who clearly is more experienced with BSI R | 19:55 | |
| CaCO3 | well, the one I got on ebay has 1300 or so (guessing) and the one I got in westafrica (dont laught :) has the halve capacity | 19:55 |
| vi__ | yo | 19:55 |
| cehteh | after my cheap replacement got broken (it worked well for some time) i disassmebled it | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess bme is completely derailed when it comes to batteries != ~1300mAh | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter what'sBSI | 19:56 |
| cehteh | on the outside is 1300mah or so .. but 950mah printed on the cell directly | 19:56 |
| kerio | nobody still wrote a full, opensource replacement for bme? | 19:56 |
| vi__ | so I am a lvl57 hyper-naab. I am trying to get scratchbox to change to the 'armel'target as oppose to x86. EVerytime I enter: | 19:56 |
| vi__ | sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 19:56 |
| vi__ | I am told: | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: it's hard | 19:56 |
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| vi__ | sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first | 19:56 |
| CaCO3 | vi__ sb-menu | 19:57 |
| vi__ | however I have not got any other SB sessions open | 19:57 |
| CaCO3 | and restart scratchbox | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's not only bse err bme, there's also IPC between this pile of sh*t and other closed stuff | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even to cellmo | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | and management of usb cable, and usb power restrictions | 19:57 |
| vi__ | CaCO3: Thank you! | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course *all* undocumented and not even completely understood to the purpose of it | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | espeically the cable management is "annoying" in the sense that if you do it wrong your device ends up eating the battery in 12 hours | 19:58 |
| kerio | omnomnom | 19:58 |
| vi__ | CaCO3: can you point me to any resources I may read that can help me avoid asking such dumbass Qs in the future? | 19:58 |
| kerio | batteries are delicious! | 19:58 |
| CaCO3 | check the maemo wiki | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi__: you especially can avoid leaving chan 10min after asking question, without waiting for an answer - for the future ;-) | 19:59 |
| vi__ | sorry, sometimes my connection craps out and I dont notice :( | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 20:00 |
| CaCO3 | :) | 20:00 |
| CaCO3 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: yes, afaik cssu MMHD is a full version incl shortcuts | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: if you wanna be sure ask MohammadAG | 20:01 |
| vi__ | thank you | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:01 |
| kerio | mmhd? | 20:01 |
| CaCO3 | all right, thank you all for your advice/feedback! was nice to chat with you | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | modified mhd | 20:02 |
| kerio | also, does cssu include good unix tools? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:02 |
| vi__ | however after a little reading I can see I need to have dbus-scripts installed to take advantage of any of the shortcuts | 20:02 |
| kerio | how about a compiler? | 20:02 |
| kerio | i like a compiler | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:02 |
| vi__ | and I wanna avoid dbus-scripts | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | funny how I just started XChat... | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu is about REPLACING stuff of stock PR | 20:02 |
| CaCO3 | I once installed/used gcc on the N900, until I run out of root space and had to reflash :) | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not adding arbitrary crap that can go extras-devel | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | CaCO3, i think your "950mAh" battery is lost cause for bme charge tracking | 20:02 |
| CaCO3 | It worked, and due my backup I didnt loose anything :) | 20:03 |
| CaCO3 | you mean its not possible? | 20:03 |
| CaCO3 | Doesnt really matter that much, I was just wundering | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's gnu-* for unix tools | 20:03 |
| CaCO3 | and asked before I cut the nokia charger cable to measure the current there ;) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | in extras-devel | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it will NEVER go to CSSU | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless we decide to kick out messybox | 20:04 |
| Volvagia356 | DocScrutinizer, I'm curious, what made NITDroid into a "buzzword"? | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the devels over there not getting their shit together with multiboot (and generally being quite ignorant about coexistence) | 20:05 |
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| vi__ | a buzzword like 'ecosystem' or 'vertical integration'? | 20:06 |
| Volvagia356 | what's with multiboot? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | a buzzword like "do you want the ban with shugar?" | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | btw, I tried enable 1250mA charging once...but, the device gets unreasonably warm, and the battery wear&tear was noticeable after 50 cycles | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot breaks systems, every day like 500 | 20:07 |
| * ShadowJK is back to 0.7C 950mA | 20:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not compatible, can't get deinstalled | 20:07 |
| Volvagia356 | only on install, or even after a successful install? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the time | 20:07 |
| Volvagia356 | so it just happens, regardless of how it installed | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't deinstall, and you can't update maemo kernel | 20:08 |
| Volvagia356 | unless you reflash everything, right? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter what you do, you end with a broken system | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why /topic | 20:08 |
| Volvagia356 | I can see that | 20:09 |
| Volvagia356 | what about the fact that by default, it uses 500MHz min and 700MHz max? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | will eat CPU a lil bit too fast for me to feel good with it | 20:10 |
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| vi__ | ow, your talking about nitroid? | 20:10 |
| vi__ | the biggest con is that android is complete ass | 20:11 |
| Volvagia356 | and that's basically why I spent a month going all over the place hunting for a 1.5 year old phone | 20:11 |
| jonaskoelker | MohammadAG: have you posted sources for the hildon notifier program? (It feels like "tomorrow" now...) | 20:23 |
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| ShadowJK | I wouldn't want to try modify bme | 20:27 |
| vi__ | neither would I! | 20:27 |
| vi__ | can anyone suggest a begginers guid to making .deb s? | 20:28 |
| CaCO3 | what are you packing? | 20:28 |
| CaCO3 | python? | 20:28 |
| blizzow | Today I Learned: You can charge the N900 battery in an N97 chassis! | 20:28 |
| vi__ | no | 20:28 |
| vi__ | a C program | 20:29 |
| vi__ | I have a binary | 20:29 |
| CaCO3 | you shouldnt actually build the deb yourself. | 20:29 |
| vi__ | that is what I intend to do | 20:29 |
| CaCO3 | but rather pack a tar gz and let the builder build it | 20:29 |
| vi__ | oh? | 20:29 |
| CaCO3 | there are also some tips in the wicki | 20:29 |
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| vi__ | I cannot find them! | 20:29 |
| vi__ | what must I search for? | 20:29 |
| CaCO3 | what I did, I took another project and hstudied it | 20:29 |
| CaCO3 | mean used it as an example | 20:30 |
| vi__ | aaah | 20:30 |
| vi__ | ok | 20:30 |
| CaCO3 | if you have all the right files at the right place, use scratchbox to generate the needed files to upload them | 20:30 |
| CaCO3 | there is a command in scratchbox which does that | 20:31 |
| CaCO3 | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S | 20:31 |
| CaCO3 | just look in the wiki and sudy existing packages | 20:31 |
| CaCO3 | so, I have to go now, cu all | 20:31 |
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| HCl | }:-) | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | who knows how to convert an int to a char? | 20:38 |
| ds3 | isn't that like putting a quart in a pint? | 20:39 |
| Itschue | verry great chat here thanks a lot docscrutinizer and all other how helped me | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, come back soon | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope all work out nicely with your N900 | 20:39 |
| Itschue | i hope so too | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/SmUfaE8M | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, a char into an it | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | basically, argv to int | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | someone fix line 21 there ^ :P | 20:40 |
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| Volvagia356 | After some browsing, MultiBoot feels very hackish now | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: mompls | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask the coders, there's a simple strtoint() or sth | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Volvagia356: extremely hackish | 20:42 |
| ds3 | MohammandAG: I donno what gint tries to be but I am guessing - atoi(argv[.... is likely to be worth a try | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | atoi? | 20:42 |
| ds3 | argv['s are a string. atoi converts from ascii string to an integer | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | atoi | 20:43 |
| Choom | MohammadAG: strtol(), strtoul() | 20:43 |
| Volvagia356 | come on, reflashing the kernel on OS change? | 20:43 |
| ds3 | or strol or stroul | 20:43 |
| ds3 | strtol | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember atoi been kinda obsolete ? | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | atoi() | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, part of standard libs? | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | strtod() | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a bit stubborn, or retarded, or sth? | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | snscanf() | 20:44 |
| ds3 | atoi should be a stock thing | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | snscanf() thats it | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | atoi might be ancient bsd, *scanf is often a bit overkill | 20:44 |
| ds3 | man page claims it is even posix | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | atoi has "issues" | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 20:45 |
| ds3 | it doesn't do errors | 20:45 |
| cehteh | atoi is standard, itoa isnt | 20:45 |
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| cehteh | sometimes atio is just ok .. when you dont need to care about errors | 20:46 |
| Volvagia356 | well this will hopefully be my final question here for now | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | atoi might segfault or sth - can't recall the details | 20:46 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: nope | 20:47 |
| ds3 | cehteh: is atoi(NULL) defined? | 20:47 |
| Volvagia356 | Is it possible to dump kernel, rootfs and emmc into suitable files for flashing using flasher-3.5? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 20:47 |
| cehteh | none of the stdlib string (cough .. char*) functions is null pointer safe | 20:47 |
| cehteh | strcmp(NULL,NULL) segfaults too | 20:48 |
| ds3 | just saying, it might just segfault ;) | 20:48 |
| cehteh | anything might segfault when used in a undefined way | 20:48 |
| ds3 | heheh | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some reason I decided for the *scanf versions last time I digged into that | 20:49 |
| cehteh | the more interesting thing what does atoi(" 0123") return? .. how about atoi("\n0123") and so on | 20:49 |
| Itschue | anyone now what the different is of the nokia n8 and n900 usb cable or what can happen wenn i use the usb cable from n900 to plug zhe n8 on the pc(i dont want to do that but a friend want it and i sy no use your cable becaus there are different nokia numbers) | 20:49 |
| Volvagia356 | DocScrutinizer: was that 'no' directed at me? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:49 |
| Volvagia356 | I see | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | backupmenu, as close as it gets | 20:50 |
| cehteh | if you have the slightiest doubt that the string is not a well formed number and may over/underflow the integer then you must not use atoi | 20:50 |
| ds3 | cehteh: as long as it is something like 0, that's should be fine | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's the notification source anyway | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noticed that :-) | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | passing 0 to timeout would make the notification permanent, till clicked | 20:50 |
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| cehteh | atio returns 0 in case of an error but you cant tell if it was beause of an error or the string was "0" | 20:51 |
| ds3 | but that's falling into the category of doing dumb things aka GIGO | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's just fine here | 20:51 |
| ds3 | you could always do if (strcmp("0",str) ==0 && .... | 20:51 |
| ds3 | ;) | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | invalid parameter := 0 is just acceptable | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: maybe that'S why I decided for *scanf() | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | string handling in C is awesome, because everyone is an expert | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems common sense it atoi is ok | 20:52 |
| ds3 | hehe | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: actually a really god trolling ;-) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | good* | 20:53 |
| ds3 | anyways, that was the shortest (character wise) fix for the question on hand. | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask for converting 13.4 to an int ;-D | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The string is a lie! | 20:54 |
| ds3 | atoi should handle 13.4 to int | 20:54 |
| ds3 | behaves just like casting | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, it does? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 20:54 |
| ds3 | it stops at the first character that isn't valid so it truncates | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | would it also handle +13 ? | 20:55 |
| ds3 | I know it does do -13, never tried +13 | 20:56 |
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| vi__ | heres a question for you | 21:09 |
| vi__ | how do I get xbindkeys to run at boot? | 21:09 |
| ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Skype-dumps-Asterisk/ <-- that took long | 21:09 |
| vi__ | I have tried creating an event.d script, it runs but doesnt work | 21:10 |
| vi__ | I have tried editing real_af_startup, but that doesnt work | 21:10 |
| vi__ | I have tried piggybacking it into other services event.d scritps but that doesnt work | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | ruskie, microsoft | 21:11 |
| vi__ | I have tried rc.local but that doesnt work | 21:11 |
| vi__ | How, for the love of god in all that is holy do I get xbindkeys to run at boot? | 21:11 |
| frals | MohammadAG, id be surprised if that was not already the plan before ms bought them | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: I gather from name xbindkeys is a prog for X | 21:13 |
| vi__ | ye | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't work until X started | 21:13 |
| vi__ | agree | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | .xsession | 21:13 |
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| Zucca | Is the usb host mode hack already in extras-testing? | 21:22 |
| Zucca | For N900, to be precise. | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | a) it's not a hack. b) no, h-e-n is still in extras-devel, and depends on hostmode-enabled kernels | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:25 |
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| Zucca | Ah. So "KernelPower" doesn't have hostmode enabled? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | at time of this writing, hm-enabled kenels are; the powerkernel v45 and later | 21:26 |
| Itschue | on the n900 are directory beginning with . with which command in x-term can i find these ones | 21:27 |
| Zucca | Ok. But I thought it was a hack since the hardware "wasn't cabable" of enabling host mode. | 21:27 |
| Zucca | Itschue: ls -a | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | hardwarre is incapable of otg | 21:29 |
| Zucca | Itschue: Or did you meant all of them. In the whole filesystem? | 21:30 |
| Itschue | sure i know that ls - are many things but yes last time i used morr -commands that was on my wrt54g router yes id diddnt tried this on n900 thanks | 21:30 |
| Itschue | io kno a command that schows all but not the . | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: so yes, in this way it's a great hack | 21:30 |
| Zucca | ShadowJK: Some (long) time ago there was a thread about N900 not being able of OTG, but hostmode yes that needs to be triggered first. | 21:32 |
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| Zucca | Itschue: ls | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: we need to exploit diagnostic functions of the hw to implement hostmode | 21:32 |
| Zucca | Itschue: It shows all but not those beginning with a dot (.). | 21:33 |
| Itschue | ok tanks | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | with -a (or --all) it shows the hidden .files as well | 21:33 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: Good to hear that it's not actually a hack. | 21:34 |
| Zucca | I' about to buy a USB touch display. It would be great when navigating. | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on you definition of hack, it somewhat sounded disrespectful the way you asked | 21:35 |
| Zucca | Actually it doesn't need to be touch enabled even. | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: and h-e-n never will go -testing as it has no chance to go extras, it depends on powerkernel which at least for me is an argument not to promote it | 21:37 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: Didn't mean to be disrespectful at all. And yes, hack sounds a bit like "built fast to do the thing", like gludge sounds. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, others think different, see the friggin overclocking GUI | 21:38 |
| Zucca | I use power kernel because of Mobile Hotspot. Although I don't use it much... | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't feel like promoting h-e-n to extras, really | 21:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I wouldn't feel like promoting anything depending on kernel-power to extras | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then in the end moh maintains the GUI pkg, and dunno who the PK | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: my rationale, see above | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | but that's just my opinion after discovering the monolithinc patch style development :P | 21:40 |
| Zucca | Also I use that OC GUI, but to lower the clockspeed. I have noticed it saves battery time when I keep ssh connection open to my server. | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: now that's a rather interesting find | 21:41 |
| ShadowJK | Mostly the ssh will consume radio power if it's updating something frequently. A single packet is roughly equivalent to 5s talk-time on 3g. 5s of straming music is also roughly equivalent to 5s talk-time :P | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ssh remote sessions shouldn't keep transmitting things or hog the cpu all the time | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if lowering cpu speed helps there has to be sth odd in there | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I have 3 open, had them open 2 weeks without noticing any extra drain (but I also have xchat open) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is ls --author ? | 21:46 |
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| ShadowJK | smells of gnu | 21:47 |
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| ShadowJK | and I don't mean the animal | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 21:48 |
| mece | LOL | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root root 43008 20. Okt 2009 mc.1.gz | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:51 |
| Venemo | hey | 21:51 |
| Sicelo | rtfm ;P | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe there are FS out there that have author in extended file attributes? | 21:52 |
| * Sicelo never knew that either | 21:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: what do you think I did before I cam e with this | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | what IS the *author* of a file? | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | of course DocScrutinizer. the rtfm wasn't directed to you | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | i was just thinking about how much information is hidden away in man pages | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> man 1 ls >x | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ls -l --author x | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users jr 7813 26. Mai 20:55 x | 21:55 |
| Sicelo | please accept my sincere apologies | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> sudo chown root: x | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ls -l --author x | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root root 7813 26. Mai 20:55 x | 21:57 |
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| Sicelo | what language is your N900 set to DocScrutinizer ? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, de? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | --author == nonsense | 21:59 |
| Sicelo | lol | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | done, next | 21:59 |
| dangergrrl | my slow net connection says ill have nokia-sources and nokia-apps for X86 in like 2 hours | 22:02 |
| dangergrrl | yay | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 22:02 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, wut? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: wut wut? | 22:02 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, nokia-sources and nokia-apps? | 22:03 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: you probably know or know of the guys who wrote the GSM papers i've been reading | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 22:03 |
| Venemo | are you installin the SDK? | 22:03 |
| dangergrrl | yes | 22:03 |
| dangergrrl | the closed parts of SDK | 22:03 |
| Venemo | ah | 22:03 |
| Venemo | so how will he get the sources? | 22:03 |
| dangergrrl | i tried to get the gui installer to work like for days | 22:03 |
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| Venemo | dangergrrl, it worked for me every time I used it | 22:04 |
| dangergrrl | finally after advisment followed the "Manual" instructions | 22:04 |
| dangergrrl | you probably were not installing over bandwidth clamped 3G | 22:05 |
| dangergrrl | i used the limit on my unlimited* internet like 3 days into the month | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's way too many points of failure, and no resume | 22:05 |
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| dangergrrl | right, like any one file fails to xfer and it wants to erase all of them and start over | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so welcome to spinning the big download wheel | 22:06 |
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| dangergrrl | most of the nokia blob dependent packages are relatively small, nationalizations and such | 22:07 |
| Venemo | dangergrrl, you're correct, I would never attempt to dl it over 3G | 22:07 |
| dangergrrl | if i had a local caching nameserver it would help | 22:08 |
| dangergrrl | average rtt to my isp is running like 2000ms | 22:08 |
| Venemo | http://www.speedtest.net/result/491981526.png | 22:09 |
| dangergrrl | i don't think tmobile actually cuts the ttl as much as the rfc suggests it should | 22:09 |
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| dangergrrl | 3G is what i have for internet this month | 22:10 |
| Venemo | for a long time, I was also dependant on a 3G connection | 22:11 |
| Venemo | that one had HSDPA though | 22:11 |
| dangergrrl | oh, i have it but only until i xfer 5Gb in a month | 22:11 |
| dangergrrl | then they rate limit me to 7.5kB/s | 22:12 |
| Venemo | heh | 22:12 |
| Venemo | my limit was also 5GB, and they overcharged above that. but I never reached that limit | 22:13 |
| dangergrrl | i was taking some 720p video subs on cable internet, those ate my 5GB in no time | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | well, be smart. don't download HD videos on 3G | 22:13 |
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| dangergrrl | tmobile doesn't charge me for overage | 22:13 |
| dangergrrl | they just make it very slow | 22:14 |
| dangergrrl | that will probably end next year when the clowns at FCC who work for the telecom industry and not the public approve the att/tmobile purchase | 22:14 |
| dangergrrl | i mean DT is evil but att will have a monopoly on gsm service in the us | 22:15 |
| dangergrrl | verizon and sprint and all the small cell companies here are cdma | 22:16 |
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| dangergrrl | fcc likely won't see it as a big deal because they already try to keep you captive with locked handsets so what if i own a device thatś now att only in the usa | 22:17 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:23 |
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| promgvm | hello all# | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | hey MohammadAG | 22:24 |
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| merlin1991 | how did you do the power kernel uboot package? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | download blu ray rips! | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | wtf? | 22:26 |
| dangergrrl | MohammadAG: thanks for all your wonderful postings to maemo-talk and such i haven't needed to ask more questions to get this to install :) | 22:26 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 22:26 |
| dangergrrl | naah, i subscribe to category5.tv and a lot of nasa HD stuff | 22:27 |
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| dangergrrl | itś legal HD content | 22:28 |
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| dangergrrl | joachim göller has some good papers on GSM but most are in german and i can look at them but don't understand much :) | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I had a kernel-power-source package so I just did some stuff :P | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | uboot-pr13 does it from binaries, I do it from sources :p | 22:32 |
| promgvm | danger: what do you want to know? i'm german but my english isnt very well | 22:32 |
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| dangergrrl | actually i read the one paper he has in english | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I want to achive the same for another flavour of power kernel (the wifi one) | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | so source is there too | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | that just leaves the question what you actually did | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, debian/rules :P | 22:33 |
| dangergrrl | GSMDmChannels.pdf learning a lot from it | 22:33 |
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| dangergrrl | i found osmocom.org yesterday and am just learning what i can | 22:34 |
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| dangergrrl | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/papers/gsm_phone-anatomy-latest.pdf this paper <-- explains a lot about why open hardware is so difficult to do | 22:35 |
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| dangergrrl | iǘe actually wanted to learn more about GSM ever since i watched the demo from last years DEFCON on spoofing a GSM cell tower | 22:37 |
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| promgvm | and you a translation now? | 22:40 |
| dangergrrl | i am guessing that the part of the stack you would need to modify to be aware of the trick they did in that demo is closed | 22:40 |
| promgvm | i forgot the "need" | 22:40 |
| dangergrrl | well, his one english paper is good and i haven finished it | 22:40 |
| dangergrrl | no need, i just want to understand more | 22:41 |
| dangergrrl | one point in the defcon demo is than almost no handsets notify the user if the cell tower tels them to drop encryption | 22:41 |
| promgvm | to understand german or GSM? | 22:42 |
| dangergrrl | GSM | 22:42 |
| dangergrrl | iǘe been watching vids on german on deutsche welle but thatś not getting me up to speed for tech papers :) | 22:43 |
| dangergrrl | so iĺl try to find different papers | 22:43 |
| dangergrrl | itu lets you download some docs for free don't they? | 22:43 |
| dangergrrl | or is it all pay? | 22:43 |
| dangergrrl | i'm pretty sure i got rec X.25 for free on a job 13 or 14 years ago :) | 22:44 |
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| promgvm | i dont know | 22:44 |
| dangergrrl | i don't know enough about GSM to even have questions yet | 22:46 |
| dangergrrl | it is comforting to know that what i do know about ISDN applies | 22:47 |
| Arkenoi | something is wrong with my phone. call UI after it starts ringing appears more and more slowly | 22:48 |
| joga | Arkenoi when was the last time you rebooted it? | 22:49 |
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| Arkenoi | 5 days ago | 22:49 |
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| Arkenoi | but it seems to be some not so local effect depending on uptime | 22:50 |
| Arkenoi | it does not behave well even after reboot | 22:50 |
| Arkenoi | and it becomes worse -- slower and slower | 22:50 |
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| dangergrrl | indeed all itu docs are free now | 22:53 |
| cehteh | Arkenoi: happens for me too | 22:53 |
| cehteh | just too much swapped out | 22:54 |
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| zakkkkm | Hey, according to bottom of http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/QA/Performance , it seems that running OS off microsd is faster? | 22:55 |
| zakkkkm | running say a class 10 microsd, would maemo be much faster? | 22:55 |
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| cehteh | .o(my next phone should have real 1GB memory not just in marketing terms) | 22:55 |
| cehteh | zakkkkm: may be or may not be .. depends on filesystem and card | 22:56 |
| zakkkkm | cehteh: my next internet speed will come in bytes, and not bits :) | 22:56 |
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| zakkkkm | my next harddrive wont come in "1,000,000 bytes" either. | 22:56 |
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| zakkkkm | the graph for meego, shows that it comes with better performan e than the emmc | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, I think nobody has found a class 10 that's fast for OS use yet | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | class 4 and class 6 are probably better | 22:57 |
| zakkkkm | http://wiki.meego.com/images/Randomseeks.jpg for instance | 22:57 |
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| zakkkkm | class 4 and 6 are better than class 10? | 22:58 |
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| dangergrrl | not all, just a lot | 22:58 |
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| dangergrrl | (itu recs free) | 22:58 |
| cehteh | the controler has some limit too i dont know if it scales for class 10 cards | 22:58 |
| zakkkkm | doesnt class specify minimum write speed, therefore making a class 10 better? | 22:58 |
| zakkkkm | ah | 22:58 |
| cehteh | and ext4 gave some solid performance improvement here | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, controller doesn't really matter in this case | 22:58 |
| zakkkkm | trying to find ways to enhance the phone :) | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, class specified minimum SEQUENTIAL write speed in the "IDEAL STATE". | 22:59 |
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| ShadowJK | for OS use, it's mostly random write | 22:59 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: well i dont know whats the max speed and configuration the n900 supports | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, about class 20, if such a thing existed | 22:59 |
| cehteh | overall SD specs are reasonable well defined but there are so much corner case and strange modes | 22:59 |
| zakkkkm | ah | 22:59 |
| dangergrrl | 64GB microsd announced yesterday :) | 23:00 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: ok on my laptop for example the Ricoh controler doesnt scale well with fast cards | 23:00 |
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| zakkkkm | cehteh, running OS on ext4 ? | 23:00 |
| zakkkkm | or just sd card | 23:00 |
| cehteh | zakkkkm: only mydocs and sd card .. and only maemo, never tried meego yet | 23:01 |
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| zakkkkm | i have, its way too slow | 23:01 |
| zakkkkm | i was just using that graph since its very recent on performance chart | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 looked nice in my own unrelated (to maemo) tests :P | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: wel, the paper of harald should be good, he knows his GSM stuff | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least he did when we talked away the nights in taipei | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, I wouldn't trust their SD/EMMC benchmarks.. swap is on emmc, and that gets hit pretty heavily once you start such a benchmark, which would have a negative impact on measured speed | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen laf0rge | 23:03 |
| infobot | laf0rge <n=laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 568d 18h 41m 41s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'. | 23:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what happened to harald :-o | 23:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe he just changed the irc network | 23:04 |
| * cehteh sets laptop_mode to 600 .. delaying writes, gives better opportunity to reorder writes, delayed allocation and generally less wear on flash | 23:04 | |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, also some combination of OS and OS Version performs very poorly on flash based (USB keys, SD, MMC, etc) media, and that's amplified by class 10 cards which are even more heavily optimized for sequential-only access :P | 23:04 |
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| zakkkkm | cehteh, swappotube stuff? | 23:05 |
| cehteh | zakkkkm: first i did that manually later i did that with swappolube, (not using all their defaults just use it as UI for my stuff) | 23:05 |
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| zakkkkm | ah | 23:06 |
| cehteh | on my laptop i even have it at 3600 and for a friends CF-Card based terminal computer we set it on a insanely high level (about a week in seconds) ... there isnt much write activity anyways | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | I thought laptop_mode was 0 or 1 setting | 23:07 |
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| zakkkkm | ShadowJK , so you think i should get high sd card, and switch swap to the microsd card? | 23:07 |
| cehteh | note that you should know its implications as in loosing uncommited data | 23:07 |
| cehteh | zakkkkm: there is another bug in the kernel which sometimes makes it hang on high io load | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, I'd get a Sandisk Mobile Ultra, and put swap on it :P | 23:07 |
| cehteh | i tried to distribute swap load on emmc and sd card (both same priority) | 23:08 |
| cehteh | which in theory should scale ... the linux kernel would do that and the hardware could do that too | 23:08 |
| zakkkkm | Ohh, nevermind.. took me a bit | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | I found better improvement from having swap only on microsd, because there's already /home /opt and MyDocs on emmc | 23:08 |
| cehteh | but it doesnt work reliable | 23:08 |
| cehteh | ack | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | It works quite reliably for me :) | 23:09 |
| cehteh | i'd like to have compcache/zram on the n900 ... | 23:09 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: most of the free papers i've found so far have ties to openmoko unsuprisingly | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:09 |
| zakkkkm | cehteh, is there any progress on that? | 23:10 |
| zakkkkm | ShadowJK: balance out the bandwidth? | 23:10 |
| cehteh | zakkkkm: on what? zram/compcache? guess not | 23:10 |
| cehteh | not for the n900 kernel | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, well first stop thinking of it as bandwidth | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | you don't have bandwidth | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | you have IOPS, you can do about 4 of them per second | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 23:11 |
| cehteh | haha | 23:11 |
| zakkkkm | have a "high" class 4 / 6 card right now in microsd, would it help to use that for swap you think? | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | (compared to 50,000 on a OCZ SSD) | 23:11 |
| zakkkkm | cehteh, yeah. zram/compcache | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah. You need to use a swap partition though, swap files don't work very well. | 23:11 |
| cehteh | yes there is no much you can do | 23:11 |
| zakkkkm | I remember Stskeeps trying that i believe, like years ago | 23:11 |
| zakkkkm | 4?! | 23:12 |
| dangergrrl | n900 doesn't have calypso/iota/rita chipset for the GSM part i'm guessing | 23:12 |
| * ShadowJK checks | 23:12 | |
| zakkkkm | true i guess it is more iops | 23:12 |
| zakkkkm | im just surprised microsd's are so low | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, 4 | 23:12 |
| zakkkkm | i only think of IOPs of harddrives and such, not small storage | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | But it's 4 whether your write is 4k or 1M | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | Actually the sandisk I mentioned tested out at 7-8 | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | Transcend full size SD 80X 1GB: 13 | 23:14 |
| zakkkkm | 4 for emmc or sd? | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't tested emmc, but it's probably similar | 23:14 |
| zakkkkm | so SD is considerably faster? | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | That Transcend card is "special" :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: definitely not | 23:15 |
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| zakkkkm | ShadowJK: where are you removing emmc's swap, and adding the sd one? | 23:16 |
| zakkkkm | you using fstab? | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | I dunno whenever I read dangergrrl I read dangergirl instead, wishfull thinking on my side? | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, I just do it manually on boot | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | fstab does nothing. | 23:17 |
| zakkkkm | i see a /dev/mmcblk0p3 none swap sw 0 0 , in /etc/fstab. .you just changing the dev node, with mmcblk1p1 (being one and only swap partition. | 23:17 |
| zakkkkm | i see normal swap getting mounted though in fstab | 23:17 |
| zakkkkm | it ignores it? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: fstab is a fake | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | gets rebuilt on every boot | 23:17 |
| zakkkkm | blk0p1 mounted to /home/user/MyDocs .. blk0p2 = /home , and blk0p3 - swap | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | fstab is autogenerated AFTER things have been mounted. So, it only reflects what hte scripts did. Nothing ever acts on it. | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: one of the nice idiosyncrasies of mameo | 23:18 |
| zakkkkm | ah | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, if you start meddling with the init scripts, you better backup first, because it's very easy to shoot yourself in the foot. | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | hm I think the ati driver on my notebook went crazy | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | or something more serious, now sounds stuttering too and the screen hangs on login animation | 23:18 |
| zakkkkm | im thinking "regular" linux here, dont know how maemo works well | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely *very* easy | 23:19 |
| zakkkkm | so should i umount /dev/mmcblk0p3 , and swapon /dev/mmcblk1p1(i putting it to mmcblk1p1. ) | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | It's complicated a bit by that there's no initfs anymore (*shake fist at people wanting it gone*), and emmc is only available relatively late in boot | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the good news however are that backupmenu will still work | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | zakkkkm, no, swapon microsd first, then swapoff mmcblk0p3 | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | If you do it the other way, apps start panicing when there's suddenly alot less memory available. | 23:20 |
| zakkkkm | so i mount , then umount? | 23:20 |
| zakkkkm | kk :) | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't mount swap | 23:21 |
| zakkkkm | ah, sorry yeah. | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think like it's been mount some 15 years ago, but not nowadays | 23:21 |
| zakkkkm | i consider it mounting cause its being used somewhere.. whether or not in filesystem | 23:21 |
| zakkkkm | i guess a better word is "turn it on" | 23:22 |
| dangergrrl | merlin1991: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Grrl - i wear copious amounts of leather and ride a big motorcycle and listen to industrial music :) | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aslo the friggin mkswap been relatively new to me recently | 23:22 |
| zakkkkm | alright.. .4gb swap lol | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | insane | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | way too much overhead | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kswapd needs to keep some data tables in ram | 23:23 |
| zakkkkm | swapon : /dev/mmcblk1p1: Invalid argument | 23:23 |
| zakkkkm | yeah i got confused myself, im like what is the make swap filesystem command? *googles* | 23:24 |
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| zakkkkm | what the, didnt create swap | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4gb is insane | 23:26 |
| zakkkkm | setting up swapspace version 1, size = 3997167616 bytes | 23:26 |
| zakkkkm | but it didnt format it at all? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mkswap? | 23:27 |
| zakkkkm | DocScrutinizer, i jsut want to see it done, going to partition it properly later. | 23:27 |
| zakkkkm | mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 23:27 |
| dangergrrl | if you get 4gb into swap on a n900 you will be very sad | 23:27 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 23:28 |
| zakkkkm | when i do mkswap it says Usage: mkswap DEVICE | 23:28 |
| dangergrrl | setting up swapspace means it put a swap signature in the partition | 23:28 |
| dangergrrl | thatś all the formatting it needs | 23:28 |
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| zakkkkm | dangergrrl: amaze you? :) | 23:29 |
| zakkkkm | why? | 23:29 |
| zakkkkm | adding swap doesnt instantly make it slower | 23:29 |
| dangergrrl | no, but if you were actually using that much it would be so slow... | 23:30 |
| zakkkkm | swapon doesnt work, guess i need to change partition ID? | 23:30 |
| zakkkkm | yeah of course | 23:30 |
| dangergrrl | should be 83 | 23:30 |
| zakkkkm | i dont use sd card at all , figured it would be best if i just do whole thing now, while people are still here.. i can set like 800mb to it properly later tonight.. mess with partitioning it and such | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>> The maximum useful size of a swap area depends on the architecture and the kernel version. It is roughly 2GiB on i386, PPC, m68k, ARM, | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | CAN'T YOU LISTEN WHEN i TELLYA 4gb IS *INSANE* | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OOPScapslock | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 23:33 |
| dangergrrl | actually i used 4gb of swap on my phenom ii x4 945 with 8gb of ram | 23:34 |
| zakkkkm | Im not gonna have 4gb swap.. | 23:34 |
| dangergrrl | but it was way less than my ram | 23:34 |
| zakkkkm | i also need storage for camera pics, and such you realize. | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: phenom ii is i386? | 23:34 |
| zakkkkm | i just want to see this done .. then i will work on partitioning it | 23:34 |
| dangergrrl | and it did get used when i compiled openoffice from source code in tmpfs | 23:34 |
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| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: x86_64 | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what do we learn from that for max allowable swapsize, particularly on ARM? | 23:35 |
| dangergrrl | that it should be much lower on 32 bit :P | 23:36 |
| dangergrrl | 2 sounds like a useful max for 32 bit | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: RTFM, I.E. man mkswap | 23:36 |
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| firstorm | how good r the n900's r drying out? | 23:37 |
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| firstorm | how good are the n900's at drying out? - proper english lol | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | firstorm: ? First remove the battery. What happened? | 23:38 |
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| firstorm | well it's fallen out my pocket in a banger | 23:38 |
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| firstorm | and been on the floor | 23:38 |
| firstorm | and we had abit of rain, but it didnt look that wet | 23:38 |
| firstorm | but on top right of screen there is condesation? under it but don't look to bad | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Remove the battery. Do you have a drying cabinet ro similar that will be at >60C? | 23:39 |
| firstorm | it's been in room for couple hours now and it powred up i get nokia logo then nothing after that and it's just got backlight on and nothing. when i ring it i get nothing but other phone rings | 23:39 |
| firstorm | i can put it in the laundry room be warm in there ? | 23:40 |
| firstorm | so it's not being soaking wet just got damp by looks of it! | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireFly|n900: device *now* working doesn't mean it's dry. It may continue to erode inside and fail in a week | 23:40 |
| firstorm | never said it's now working lol! i just said i turn it on and i get the nokia logo | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | emove battery, place in a warn and dry place, slide it up, keep it open as much as possible, dry for several days(!) | 23:41 |
| firstorm | servral days! :o :( nothing but hassle with this phone! | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | do NOT place into a bag of rice or similar BS nonsense | 23:42 |
| firstorm | had 3 screens in it only had it a year1 | 23:42 |
| cehteh | just microwave it for drying }:> | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, no don't do that | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | firstorm: Or 12h if you put it in oven set at 80C. (first verify that the tehrmostat is accurate) | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, ping | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2nd make sure battery is out, it will explode at 80°C | 23:44 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pong | 23:44 |
| firstorm | yer batterys on the side! bloody phone! :( | 23:45 |
| firstorm | i'm lost with out it | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I got two of them ;-D | 23:45 |
| firstorm | yer well thats a good idea but i don't really use functions enoguh etc i only txt / call / fb from it! | 23:45 |
| firstorm | it's currently got a hair dryer pointed at it ! | 23:46 |
| firstorm | it must been on the deck for like 2 minutes if that! and it wasn't even wet :( | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | check hairdryer's temperature, phone will brak at 100..150° | 23:47 |
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| firstorm | can't make no difference to it now! it's broken lol! | 23:47 |
| firstorm | nar it's on low setting | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | firstorm: well you said you got condesation in screen | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, update sociality and click on a youtube vid | 23:48 |
| firstorm | it looks like it! | 23:48 |
| firstorm | but no idea why it's not as i i dropped it in a puddle or anything | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | firstorm: you got to understand that the phone won't break from humidity, but from battery inserted while it's not completely dry | 23:48 |
| firstorm | well it got wet and went flat | 23:49 |
| firstorm | so i just left it on the side to dry | 23:49 |
| firstorm | for couple hours! | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so do not test if it works until you're damn sure it's dry again | 23:49 |
| firstorm | i thought it was dry lol! | 23:50 |
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| jacekowski | it's not water that kills it | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | firstorm: take to sheets of transparent plastic, place some drops of water on one and cover with the other. Try to dry that. So you got an idea how long it'll take for water to dry between chip and mainboard | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | it's corrosion | 23:51 |
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| firstorm | oh i know how long it takes to dry things | 23:51 |
| firstorm | i'm nto stupid | 23:51 |
| firstorm | but the fact it's sat on top of a pc for the last 3 hours i thought it would dry seems it didn't really get wet at all! | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | ffs MohammadAG I've waited 10 mins for ham to give me the update view updated | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | to realize that you didn't upload to devel :D | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: haha, disable some useless repos! | 23:53 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I only have devel | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | nothing else | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's just enough ;-P | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | (some nokia repo too because you somtimes need stuff from there) | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | yeah with extras only using ham update is ok | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | with devel you're fscked | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed, you should do that during night when you're sleeping | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I usually do | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | btw MohammadAG you need a busy sign on loading stuff like your wall too (not only in the news feed) | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't stand waiting like 6 minutes | 23:55 |
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| merlin1991 | lol | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: click a youtube vid and then go to task switcher | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | so much win there :P | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | also going back then doesn't stop playback | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I had stacked window attribute set on a non stacked window | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | I figured you might want to browse facebook while listening | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | oh and maemo 5's QtMultimedia sucks | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | ah k | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | actually, the pulseaudio policy system sucks | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | but the video playing instead of desktop in taskswitcher is lol | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | and you still have to reduce the height of comment and like buttons in portrait | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | they are too huge | 23:59 |
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