IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-05-20

DocScrutinizer	not hardcoded but defined in a config for that applet	00:00
javispedro	nice idea	00:00
DocScrutinizer	maybe even returned by a call to "myapplet.sh --refreshtimer=?"	00:00
DocScrutinizer	so e.g we could set refreshtimer to 120s for battery discharging, and to 0.2s for batery-charging animation	00:01
MohammadAG	nah, as I said, use glib timer for wait, not a script block	00:02
DocScrutinizer	I didn't mention any scropt block	00:02
javispedro	I bet he says the script would return the number of seconds to sleep	00:02
DocScrutinizer	yes	00:02
DocScrutinizer	number of milliseconds actually	00:02
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javispedro	aha	00:03
MohammadAG	wouldn't that be in the config file holding the script list?	00:03
javispedro	just make the script emit something like	00:03
MohammadAG	after all, it should be a constant	00:03
DocScrutinizer	and of course it returns those immediately, without any block aka sleep	00:03
javispedro	image=/path/to/icon\ntext=some text if required\ntime to next event=1000	00:03
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: EXACTLY!	00:03
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DocScrutinizer	the queenbeecon for ststus applets	00:04
DocScrutinizer	in rev0.2 we can deal with buttons(/sliders/whatever) in status menu	00:05
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (should be constant) really? ;'(	00:06
javispedro	not necessarily afaik (but I am yet to ever make a status bar applet though)	00:06
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I'm sure we'll find a way to occasionally change the timer's timeout value	00:06
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javispedro	(i did make a desktop applet and it is not necessary)	00:06
DocScrutinizer	and if we had to reinintialize/retart the whole applet	00:07
MohammadAG	that can be done by opening the .desktop file and closing it	00:07
DocScrutinizer	ok, so be it if that's the only way	00:07
MohammadAG	again, inotify works fine	00:08
MohammadAG	profiled uses it	00:08
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javispedro	there's no technical problem at all here	00:08
MohammadAG	I wish someone would hack a Qt status-menu applets solution	00:08
DocScrutinizer	but that's actuall for version 0.1.1. Version0.1.0 though doesn't need a changeable timer, just the system() call and a hardcoded maybe 60s	00:08
javispedro	if required you could even spawn a thread	00:08
MohammadAG	isn't g_spawn() better than system()?	00:09
MohammadAG	(I'm actually crappy at glib stuff so...)	00:09
DocScrutinizer	probably	00:09
javispedro	g_spawn is more glib-y indeed, but it eventually calls system() ;)	00:09
DocScrutinizer	that's for you hackers to find the best call	00:09
DocScrutinizer	I'm a designer / system architect	00:10
* MohammadAG wants Qt applets nao		00:10
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: well, maybe you could do both ;-)	00:10
Venemo	MohammadAG, what Qt applets?	00:10
MohammadAG	Venemo, Qt status menu applets	00:10
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: the non-existing ones	00:10
Venemo	:)	00:11
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Venemo	MohammadAG, you could easily make it happen	00:11
DocScrutinizer	I bet a Qt wrapper around that generic-applet stuff is simple	00:11
DocScrutinizer	that's btw the beauty and main goal of all my designs: a most generalized API	00:12
MohammadAG	something bugs me	00:13
DocScrutinizer	yust relplace the hardcoded system() by a pointer to a callback function in Qt and done you are	00:13
MohammadAG	Gtk apps rotate to landscape when the N900 is placed flat	00:13
MohammadAG	Qt apps don't	00:13
MohammadAG	QProcess ftw	00:13
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javispedro	whoa the n9 thread already has 40 pages more	00:15
E0x	heh	00:16
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: since when? :-P	00:16
ThreeM	it will never be released	00:16
javispedro	last time I read it, which was less than 24h ago...	00:16
E0x	i think it will be released but i can be sure if will be good	00:16
DocScrutinizer	hmm, that's not entirely insane ;-D	00:16
DocScrutinizer	40p/h, that would scare me	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	it will get released as soon as nobody posting to that thread for 3 days XP	00:18
ThreeM	hrhr	00:18
javispedro	along with PR1.5 for the N900.	00:18
ThreeM	and final maemo.org ;)	00:18
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: you know what infobot says to ~pr1.5	00:19
javispedro	heh	00:19
ThreeM	maybe the N9 comes as "duke nukem forever" edition in 14years	00:19
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MohammadAG	~pr1.5	00:20
* infobot beats mohammadag with a Nostradamus papercopy 16.7 times. "That's your PR1.5!"		00:20
E0x	heh	00:20
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MohammadAG	~pr1.6	00:23
infobot	pr1.6 is probably the future man!	00:23
MohammadAG	~pr1.7	00:25
DocScrutinizer	meh	00:25
DocScrutinizer	~listkeys pr1	00:26
infobot	Factoid search of 'pr1' by key (14): pr1.3.3.7 ;; ~pr1.1.1 #DEL# ;; pr1.1.1 ;; pr1.3 ;; pr1.2 ;; pr1.4 ;; pr1.6 ;; pr1.2 #DEL# ;; netscape-6.00pr1 ;; pr1.3sdk ;; pr1.1 ;; pr1.5 ;; pr1.5 #DEL# ;; pr1.3 #DEL#.	00:26
DocScrutinizer	~factinfo pr1.6	00:27
infobot	pr1.6 -- created by kerio <kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92> at Mon Oct 25 17:44:22 2010 (206 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by MohammadAG, 4m 14s ago.	00:27
Sicelo_	~pr1.1.1	00:27
infobot	you are here. please wait, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1	00:27
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DocScrutinizer	~botsnack	00:29
infobot	DocScrutinizer: aw, gee	00:29
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DocScrutinizer	~shout	02:20
* infobot screams NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOoooooOOOOooo!!!1!!11!!!		02:20
* DocScrutinizer ponders creating an IRC keep-alive job, pasting ~cookie every 60min		02:21
DocScrutinizer	~cookie	02:21
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... usrealmip... you can find the IP address of all U.S. realms and their datacenters at http://www.wowwiki.com/US_Realm_List_By_Datacenter		02:21
merlin1991	wtf	02:22
merlin1991	infobot forget everything about wow!	02:22
infobot	merlin1991: i didn't have anything called 'everything about wow!' to forget	02:22
DocScrutinizer	oooh, there's life out there	02:22
merlin1991	go to sleep ;)	02:23
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DocScrutinizer	~yawn	02:31
infobot	YAWN I get YAWN tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired..	02:31
DocScrutinizer	I am not	02:31
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DocScrutinizer	~cookie	02:32
infobot	Hey docscrutinizer, weathercode k26b is Isle Of Shoals (Isle Of Shoals)	02:32
DocScrutinizer	~weather EDDN	02:33
infobot	Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.05.19 2320 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 87%; Temperature: 55 F (13 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT)	02:33
DocScrutinizer	cookies actually work	02:33
lolcat	What arm cpu is the best?	02:34
SpeedEvil	Meaningless noise.	02:34
SpeedEvil	There are ARM CPUs in 4*4mm packages that cost 2 dollars.	02:35
SpeedEvil	For some things, those are best.	02:35
lolcat	I mean for a maemo phone	02:35
SpeedEvil	omap3530	02:35
SpeedEvil	There is a 720MHz speed grade, that's the best.	02:36
lolcat	Better than the 1,2GHz dualcore in SGSII?	02:36
SpeedEvil	You can also get 512M RAM and flash memory chips to attach on top of it.	02:36
SpeedEvil	Which would make it the best of the best.	02:36
SpeedEvil	lolcat: There is only one CPU for a maemo phone.	02:36
lolcat	Why not 1gb?	02:36
SpeedEvil	Any other would be upgrades by wierd users.	02:36
lolcat	SpeedEvil: But what would be better?	02:37
SpeedEvil	lolcat: Because you cannot get parts that will fit.	02:37
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SpeedEvil	In principle, you could upgrade the n900 'drop in' - with a new processor that is 20% faster, and double the RAM.	02:37
SpeedEvil	In practice, this will be tricky.	02:37
lolcat	SpeedEvil: I didn't say for N900, I mean for a brand new Maemo 6 phone	02:37
SpeedEvil	There will be no maemo 6 phone.	02:38
SpeedEvil	It's meego.	02:38
lolcat	Harmattan	02:38
SpeedEvil	Or harmattan	02:38
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SpeedEvil	It's a pretty meaningless question, anyway.	02:38
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SpeedEvil	The CPU was chosen a large slice of a year ago.	02:38
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lolcat	Why? I want to know the best possible thing to hope for	02:39
SpeedEvil	xeon.	02:39
lolcat	Meego runs on arm...	02:39
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SpeedEvil	It could trivially be recompiled for Xeon.	02:40
lolcat	A xeon cpu is bigger than the phone -.-	02:41
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: wut? I guess it's been chosen like 2 years ago, if you're talking about the CPU in this critter: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333	02:41
SpeedEvil	2 is a very large slice of 1.	02:41
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SpeedEvil	Think of a pizza - made into a spiral.	02:41
DocScrutinizer	yay	02:42
DocScrutinizer	XD	02:42
SpeedEvil	2 is simply 2 turns.	02:42
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: you make my day :-D	02:42
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: Is it dual core?	02:43
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: supposedly part of the delay was due to a hardware change.	02:43
lolcat	GeneralAntilles: CPU change?	02:43
GeneralAntilles	Dunno	02:44
GeneralAntilles	Seems possible.	02:44
GeneralAntilles	OMAP3630 is a little dated these days.	02:44
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: sure, 'simple' hw changes like getting 802.11n instead of abg	02:44
DocScrutinizer	a change of CPU architecture is an absolutely nontrivial thing	02:45
SpeedEvil	Changing speed-grades of compatible parts is quite plausible - but that only goes so far.	02:45
DocScrutinizer	differen mechanical kbd layout (as you can see by watching enter key of the link above compared to that suspicious 'leaked promo'	02:46
DocScrutinizer	even larger RAM is possible, maybe even changing LCD->OLED	02:46
DocScrutinizer	but definitely not change of CPU architecture	02:46
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: It is amolead	02:47
DocScrutinizer	prolly	02:47
DocScrutinizer	otherwise they wouldn't have opted for that silly silly damn stupid silly white indicator LED	02:48
DocScrutinizer	oh, have I mentioned it's utterly silly?	02:48
GAN900	Well, OMAP4 wouldn't be out of the question.	02:49
DocScrutinizer	abysmal product requirement spec	02:50
lolcat	N9? or amolead?	02:50
DocScrutinizer	lolcat: the white (well monocolor anyway) indicator LED	02:50
lolcat	No idea what that means...	02:50
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DocScrutinizer	it's not like we don't know anything about RM-680(?)	02:51
lolcat	But I am sure it won't be the biggest drawback of the N9	02:51
DocScrutinizer	nah, the biggest shortcoming is the friggin bullshit c-ts	02:51
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DocScrutinizer	aka cocaine dispenser	02:52
DocScrutinizer	c-ts = cocaine spreader table (nobody knows who swapped the chars in acronym)	02:53
lolcat	But cocain is a sollution if you mix it with water	02:54
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DocScrutinizer	so what?	02:55
SpeedEvil	Cocaine is a suspension if you mix with water.	02:55
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lolcat	if elop did some we migth have had 10 maemo devices now	02:55
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GAN900	Elop is just the symptom	02:56
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SpeedEvil	Indeed.	02:56
GAN900	Nokia board is the problem.	02:56
DocScrutinizer	I dunno, always thought you're crushing and spreading it with your credit card on the c-ts and then snort it with a 100$ note	02:56
SpeedEvil	Things broke shortly before meego.	02:56
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: sounds about right	02:57
SpeedEvil	When did the ovi wierdness start happening - companies getting discoruaged from publishing.	02:58
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DocScrutinizer	about the time when Nokia thought they have to become a content provider now, rather than a hw manufacturer	02:58
* SpeedEvil wishes 802.11g supported client-client		02:59
DocScrutinizer	glaring in envy at iStore	02:59
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DocScrutinizer	then they realized you can't marry iStore with GPL and FOSS like they planned to do	03:01
DocScrutinizer	right about that time somebody of Nokia board or 1 step down in hierarchy started to plan cherry and shove it down nokia maemo devels' throat	03:02
DocScrutinizer	marriage with yahoo...	03:03
DocScrutinizer	damn, there's something rotten inside Nokia	03:03
GeneralAntilles	Why do surveys about internet speeds still have lists that look like: "Modem, ISDN, DSL, DSL, T1, DSL/Cable, LAN"	03:04
GeneralAntilles	and top out at 10Mbps	03:04
DocScrutinizer	because of the authors of those webpages are technical illiterates	03:04
trx	because these are actualy at say, Etiopia..	03:04
trx	actual*	03:05
trx	and LAN can be 1Gbps :)	03:06
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SpeedEvil	10	03:06
b-man`	hello all	03:07
trx	SpeedEvil 10?	03:07
DocScrutinizer	well, and FDDI / random other fibreoptics can go up to Tbps, and are actually offered by some telcos	03:07
SpeedEvil	10Gbps	03:07
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trx	well who has 10Gbps lan at home? :D	03:07
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DocScrutinizer	but those fibreoptics internet services are usually not meant for private customers, more for business	03:08
SpeedEvil	used 10G cards seem to be going for $120 or so	03:09
DocScrutinizer	meh, the cables are way too expensive	03:10
trx	and the switch	03:11
trx	i dont even want to know :)	03:11
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DocScrutinizer	oh, cat5a actually allows 10GBASE-T up to 50m	03:13
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DocScrutinizer	...if you never run two cables next to each other anywhere	03:18
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lolcat	I have a switch that allows 10gbps fibre optics	04:06
pronto	congrats?	04:23
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Zaakmmm	Is it just me or is maemo alot slower than the original promo video of n900.	05:22
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ShadowJK	I wouldn't say "alot"	06:15
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DocScrutinizer	Zaakmmm: you missed the 3pt writing at the bottom, didn't you?	06:18
DocScrutinizer	promo video - hehehehe	06:19
DocScrutinizer	seen promos of iPhone? ;-P	06:20
ShadowJK	The cool video is so abstract you can't really tell what's going on	06:21
ShadowJK	the abstract video is abstract	06:21
ShadowJK	and the finding maemo video's web browser loads pages instantly	06:22
ShadowJK	faster than my Core 2 Quad 9550	06:22
DocScrutinizer	sure, via 2G	06:22
DocScrutinizer	sorry Zaakmmm, we're in a nasty mood :-D	06:23
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Zaakmmm	Heh	06:24
ShadowJK	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U This video shows shapeshifting abilities, where are those :(	06:24
DocScrutinizer	hihihi	06:24
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timeless_xchat	@hel flying to sfo via ams	06:24
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DocScrutinizer	wtf, how did he manage that?	06:25
DocScrutinizer	airport wlan I guess	06:25
DocScrutinizer	"one packet for free - choose wisely" ;-D	06:25
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ShadowJK	hint: elisa-mobile	06:26
DocScrutinizer	umm, do I have to google, or will you give a clue ?	06:27
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DocScrutinizer	aah	06:27
ShadowJK	XChat on N900, mobile internets	06:27
DocScrutinizer	well, I can't tell from chanlog how long he's been here, but for sure was <60s	06:28
ShadowJK	ya	06:28
DocScrutinizer	probably he found a cross site scripting vulnerability in that airport's registration page ;-P	06:30
Macer	hm	06:30
Macer	i don't quite understand how these cups pkgs work	06:31
ShadowJK	I'm pretty sure he just used his N900 and the N900 cellular modem ;p	06:31
Macer	anybody have a good site for how to configure it?	06:31
DocScrutinizer	pushed one cmdline with irc login + that one post	06:31
DocScrutinizer	aah	06:31
Macer	even though there aren't any apps that have a print option	06:31
Macer	if the cups bsd stuff had a front end that would work	06:32
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer is like an old person seeing television first time, yelling "how do the people fit in there!?" ;P	06:32
DocScrutinizer	http://www.cups.org/documentation.php	06:33
Macer	heh	06:33
Macer	nothing maemo specific?	06:33
GeneralAntilles	EU female employment quota. Teehee	06:33
DocScrutinizer	cups isn't maemo specific	06:33
Macer	DocScrutinizer: but other distros like debian and ubuntu have cups wikis	06:34
Macer	:)	06:34
DocScrutinizer	well, then use those	06:34
Macer	although with ubuntu you really don't need any cups knowledge	06:34
DocScrutinizer	cups should be all the same anyway	06:34
Macer	not really. ubuntu and debian have gnome front ends... kubuntu has it set up in its setting panel	06:34
DocScrutinizer	mhm	06:35
Macer	but i will see if i can get it going. iw as just hoping there was a maemo walkthrough	06:35
DocScrutinizer	I bet there's a generic cups way to config a printer	06:35
Macer	i would love to figure out how to rebuild abiword with printer support in maemo	06:35
Macer	as well as gnumeric	06:35
Macer	DocScrutinizer: i am sure there is too. just wish there was a settings option	06:36
DocScrutinizer	http://localhost:631/	06:38
Macer	treid that	06:38
Macer	tried	06:38
Macer	;)	06:38
Macer	i thought cupsenable then localhost:631 would do it	06:39
Macer	ok	06:39
Macer	this is where i kick myself	06:39
Macer	didn't run it as root	06:40
DocScrutinizer	well, if localhost:631 isn't working, then maybe you're missing some parts/pkgs of cups system	06:40
Macer	oops	06:40
Macer	it is workign no	06:40
Macer	now..but i'm not at home to mess with the printer but i will do that when i get home	06:40
Macer	then work on getting a building box going so i can see about getting abiword and gnumeric built with printing support	06:40
DocScrutinizer	glad to hear :-)	06:40
Macer	let me disable it bfore it murders my battery	06:41
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Macer	heh	06:58
Macer	i went through the steps... it is simple.. if i were home i would do it now.	06:58
Macer	just need the brother ppd file which is pretty easy to get. damn.. sure wish abiword and gnumeric had printing support built in	06:59
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: >> CUPS understands many different types of files directly, including text, PostScript, PDF, and image files. This allows you to print from inside your applications or at the command-line, whichever is most convenient! Type either of the following commands to print a file to the default (or only) printer on the system:	07:01
DocScrutinizer	lp filename	07:01
DocScrutinizer	lpr filename	07:01
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DocScrutinizer	>>CUPS provides both the System V (lp(1)) and Berkeley (lpr(1)) printing commands for printing files. In addition, it supported a large number of standard and printer-specific options that allow you to control how and where files are printed.	07:04
DocScrutinizer	Macer: doesn't abiword export pdf?	07:05
Macer	yes	07:06
Macer	but would be nice to print directly	07:07
DocScrutinizer	so while it's not the most convenient way, it is possible to print at least	07:07
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Macer	yeah	07:07
Macer	printing on a phone is sweet	07:07
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: mohammadAG recently is fascinated by inotify. If you ask nicely, I bet he'll write you a daemon that watches for arbitrary /printer/* files, and as soon as such a file appears, starts a cmd "lp /printer/; rm /printer/"	07:10
DocScrutinizer	so you start printing by saving/exporting pdf or whatever to "/printer/myprinterjob1"	07:11
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: sweet -> you could even print over internet, from any location in the world, to your homesite printer	07:13
DocScrutinizer	aiui at least. CUPS should have some proper authentication so not everybody random hacker can abuse your printer	07:14
DocScrutinizer	you just need a cups running on any machine@home	07:14
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DocScrutinizer	or you pipe from your local N900 to home, like "cat myprfile \| ssh me@mydomain.home lpr"	07:16
DocScrutinizer	but definitely printing to a usb printer plugged to N900 via H-E-N is the most technically advanced and exciting thing to do ;-D	07:18
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Macer	DocScrutinizer: well.. cups is running on the n900 so i am guessing it is its own server	07:28
Macer	the printer itself supports ipp ldp etc	07:28
Macer	really... i am guessing that is why they have the ssh tunnel front end for maemo	07:28
Macer	so you can just use ssh for auth	07:28
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Macer	hm	08:16
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Macer	what to do what to do	08:23
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Macer	ok	08:33
Macer	there has to be an option for this somewhere	08:33
Macer	cssu does this thing where it shows you all the windows.. and they scroll and it totally sucks	08:34
Macer	:)	08:34
cehteh	you mean the task switcher layout?	08:35
Macer	yes!	08:35
Macer	lol	08:35
cehteh	yes i cant stand it and set that to default too	08:35
Macer	i want the old method.. is there a way to change it?	08:36
cehteh	yes css configurarion	08:36
cehteh	its named 'task switcher something'	08:36
slonopotamus	Macer: cssu task switcher by default acts same as maemo one.	08:36
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cehteh	on column, 2 cloumn, default	08:37
cehteh	some things on cssu are just useless playthings .. but some are actually nice :), one has to find out what suits him best	08:38
cehteh	parallax 2.1 makes desktop switching simpler :P	08:38
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Macer	awesome!	08:38
Macer	paeallex?	08:39
Macer	para	08:39
cehteh	see cssu config	08:39
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Macer	i just set the task switcher to default	08:39
cehteh	the parallax defines how much you need to swipe over the screen to switch the desktop	08:39
Macer	thank god it was driving me up the wall	08:39
Macer	ooooh	08:39
cehteh	with 2,1 its slightly less than half a screen full	08:40
Macer	is there a fix to the ugly bouncing scrolling in menus?	08:40
cehteh	bouncy scrolling?	08:40
Macer	like when you use the file manager for instance	08:40
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cehteh	then?	08:41
Macer	it seems a little awkward when scrolling down a file list	08:41
cehteh	not here	08:41
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cehteh	or at least i dont know what you mean	08:41
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Macer	well.. tapping on it to scroll makes the first selection you touch blink	08:42
cehteh	ah .. didnt it do that always? i dont care	08:42
cehteh	i turned on 'fast transitions'	08:42
cehteh	you can play a bit with different settings	08:43
Macer	ah ok	08:45
Macer	i will thanks	08:45
Macer	once i got that damn nokia su8w working and google syncing.. n900 turned into a monster heh	08:45
Macer	if the cups thing works out i will no longer require a laptop for basic office stuff	08:45
Macer	laptop in a pocket	08:45
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slonopotamus	Macer: what's wrong with n900 builtin kb? (well, except lack of some keys)	08:48
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mikejf	Can anyone gibe me some pointers for connecting to a WPA EAP TLS WiFi network?	08:48
mikejf	I can't figure out how to make the N900 use the private key file without using wpa_suplicant from the CLI.	08:49
Macer	huh?	08:58
Macer	you cant touch type on it	08:58
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Macer	su8w is a folding portable bt keyboard	08:58
Macer	cant type nearly as fast with my thumbs	08:59
Macer	i need to get a replacement keypad for this thing. mine is badly worn. the space key has a bit white blotch on it	08:59
Macer	taking apart the housing to replace it is probably a pain	09:02
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Macer	how do i refresh the movies list?	09:05
cehteh	tracerd should do that automatically	09:05
cehteh	trackerd	09:05
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cehteh	if not there is a tracker configuration applet which lets you do that .. and as well break your system with a click :)	09:05
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Termana	good morning	09:27
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Macer	haha	09:36
Macer	well... doesnt seem to have updated it well. ah well. no biggie	09:36
cehteh	justb wait .. trackerd ususally starts in the most unconvinient time :)	09:36
cehteh	like you have 5% battery left, are in the middle of the sahara and have to make an emergency call	09:37
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cehteh	mhmpf .. is there some "show on map" application for geotagged photos?	09:40
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cehteh	preferably integrated in the image viewer	09:40
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mece	hahaha topic!	09:49
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Macer	:)	10:22
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Macer	so i was trying to get nitdroid working when...	10:23
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mece	oo.. :D Peter@Maemo Marketing threw a "thanks" in N9 teaser thread. I hope he writes something	10:31
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Macer	n9 going to run meego?	11:21
Macer	i honestly havent kept up	11:22
cehteh	move along, nothing to see here	11:22
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chx	Macer: what i heard here it's a maemo backend with a meego ui?	11:22
cehteh	i wont be surprised if nokia makes a turn once again	11:23
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cehteh	symbian, wp7, whatever	11:23
Macer	haha	11:23
Macer	yeah.. i think i will definately hold off on that one	11:24
Macer	meego ui with a maemo backend?	11:24
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Macer	isnt the actual meego based on suse or something?	11:24
nid0	it has a loose fedora history	11:26
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MohammadAG_	Harmattan	11:27
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MohammadAG_	this news is at least a year old	11:28
cehteh	n9 is a dead horse, even before released	11:29
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Macer	heh	11:32
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Macer	i think circumstances like this are all up to marketing	11:32
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Macer	people like you and i could understand why it will suck... the masses just want shiny things with some gfx	11:33
Macer	plus.. regardless of anything nokia probably makes the best quality hardware.. even if i wish their entire board died in a fire on a plane while it was crashing	11:34
petteri	blaah, there are plenty of devs also waiting for n9	11:35
petteri	not expecting it to suck	11:36
Macer	for now	11:36
Macer	there were a lot of devs on the n900 as well with high hopes for it	11:36
petteri	n900 is best device around?	11:36
petteri	i think mostly the heavy user types were dissapointed	11:37
trx	what do you guys think so far : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1010776	11:41
MohammadAG_	chatwindow.cpp:39: error: no matching function for call to 'ChatWindow::connect(QXmppVCardManager, const char [36], vCardCache&, const char [36])'	11:42
MohammadAG_	grr	11:42
RST38h	...Heney, 23, was recorded by CCTV cameras stealing the phone from a young woman who had fallen to her death from a car park.	11:44
RST38h	Good moorning, gentlemen	11:44
trx	lol.	11:44
trx	morning..	11:44
trx	:)	11:44
RST38h	Meanwhile: Nokia's Windows Phones will feature dual-core ST-Ericsson U8500, says STMicroelectronics chief	11:46
RST38h	Seen that U8500-based Meego proto from Nokia? That is where it will go now =)	11:46
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MohammadAG_	lol	11:48
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MohammadAG_	is it me	11:50
MohammadAG_	or is this guy recording the video with an N950? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeZY6h9gBVM&feature=player_embedded#at=18	11:51
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MohammadAG_	yep, it does seem to be an N950/N9 in the reflection	11:52
nid0	could be	11:54
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Arkenoi	i guess it is just n8 or e7	11:59
RST38h	E7 is more like it, it has got crappy camera though	11:59
RST38h	Arkenoi: Wait. It can't be E7. E7 has fixed optics so it cannot shoot from this distance	12:00
Arkenoi	so it is n8	12:00
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nid0	it also cant be an e7 as the lights in the wrong place	12:05
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nid0	and the n8 light is in the right place, but is wider than the one in that reflection	12:05
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mece	interesting...	12:15
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* alterego is not almost packed :)		12:16
alterego	Need to print off a few things, tickets etc,	12:16
alterego	crap must remember to do the online check in	12:17
SpeedEvil	Oh jesus.	12:18
SpeedEvil	Analysing reflections from videos on youtube...	12:18
SpeedEvil	Just wait a week!	12:18
SpeedEvil	:)	12:19
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SpeedEvil	On an actual on-topic topic. I assume there is no other browser with flash yet on n900?	12:19
SpeedEvil	I've not been keeping up.	12:19
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mece	SpeedEvil, you can activate flash in firefox from about:config	12:21
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mece	SpeedEvil, the buzz is quite entertaining :)	12:21
RST38h	Speed: flash works in fennex	12:22
RST38h	need to enable it though	12:22
mece	MohammadAG_, well it's not the E7, (wrong shape led), not X7 (led is too far down) probably not N8 (led is too far down and wrong shape) but N9/50, based on leaky pics from 2010 has led in correct shape and in the right place, so yeah. N9/50 it could be.	12:23
mece	MohammadAG_, pic: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_l07vVnBw3l8/TG1fxfCD1uI/AAAAAAAACGs/OSzLs5yq4KU/s640/Nokia_N9%20%289%29.jpeg	12:24
SpeedEvil	No lens-cover?	12:25
SpeedEvil	That's somewhat annoying.	12:26
mece	SpeedEvil, such is life.	12:26
SpeedEvil	Though of course - the hardware is the less interesting bit...	12:26
mece	annoying.	12:26
SpeedEvil	brutish and short.	12:26
mece	SpeedEvil, well the hardware is interesting too :)	12:26
SpeedEvil	Or something similar.	12:26
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mece	MohammadAG_, of course it could be something from another manufacturer too.	12:28
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SpeedEvil	Of course - if intel finally get down with the low power stuff - things could change.	12:28
SpeedEvil	XP-phone? :)	12:28
mece	eek	12:29
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macmaN	whats up all	12:29
macmaN	does anyone here use anything to automatically enable bluetooth on incoming call?	12:29
macmaN	it doesn't so far, but i'm not finding any other applicable format string either	12:29
macmaN	ehh	12:29
macmaN	not finding anything from existing packages	12:30
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SpeedEvil	I assume leaving it on doesn't work for you for some reaon?	12:30
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SpeedEvil	mece: Thanks - FF	12:33
macmaN	SpeedEvil: battery life isn't that good as it is...	12:34
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mece	oh fuck	12:34
mece	I just found something...	12:34
mece	fuck	12:34
mece	sorry	12:34
mece	OMGOMGOMGOMG	12:34
macmaN	that reminds me too, i need a bt headset that doesnt take a 5 second press to turn on and off..	12:34
SpeedEvil	macmaN: I get ~5 days battery life logged into wifi and GSM with the phone idle	12:35
mece	I can now confirm that it's an n9 that he used to film the qtquick 3d.	12:35
macmaN	SpeedEvil: with a standard battery? i listen to mp3s too for maybe an 0.5hr/day avg	12:38
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macmaN	i can get about 3 days to empty	12:39
SpeedEvil	macmaN: yes - standard battery	12:39
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SpeedEvil	macmaN: About 12h of mp3 before batteries die.	12:39
SpeedEvil	battery	12:39
Macer	amazon has batteries for sale.. cheap :)	12:40
Macer	i hope my silicon case and screen protectors show up soon. i might get a repair kit and some spare parts for my n900 as well	12:41
macmaN	i dont have a good external charging solution and i think the hotswap strategy on tmo was quite experimental too	12:41
macmaN	an external micro-usb battery pack is something im looking into, but im not able to find anything that is on sale currently. everything seems to be from year 2007+	12:42
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SpeedEvil	yeah - hotswap hasn't been done yet.	12:42
Macer	there is a beast battery	12:42
SpeedEvil	And it's at b est a nadty hack	12:42
Macer	wasnt there some ungodly huge battery for an n900 that you could get?	12:42
Macer	it didnt add too much bulk but added some	12:43
psycho_oreos	was called mugen iirc	12:43
macmaN	i cant change the dimensions, its a fatty device as it is	12:43
macmaN	can somebody just make a new hardware design and slap maemo on it? instabuy for me	12:44
Macer	hahaha	12:44
macmaN	i wonder if that could be a kickstarter project	12:44
SpeedEvil	macmaN: You're looking at a large slice of a million dollars.	12:44
psycho_oreos	with mugen battery it does make N900 look more big.. even some of the hard cases you can buy for N900 e.g. otterbox makes N900 look fatter than orignal	12:45
psycho_oreos	s/orignal/original/	12:45
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: with mugen battery it does make N900 look more big.. even some of the hard cases you can buy for N900 e.g. otterbox makes N900 look fatter than original	12:45
Macer	n8 is symbian?	12:45
mece	yes	12:45
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macmaN	my buddy bought n8. he regrets it.	12:46
Macer	haha	12:46
Macer	im sure	12:46
mece	I think N8 is nice	12:46
Macer	last good symbian phone was an n900 or e71	12:46
Macer	n95	12:46
jjo	e51 actually and n900 was a really bad symbian phone.	12:47
psycho_oreos	lol N900 = symbian	12:47
Macer	oops	12:48
Macer	meant n95	12:48
Macer	i thought my n95 was pretty ok at the time	12:48
nid0	<3 e90	12:48
psycho_oreos	jjo apparently also made the same mistake or was that meant to be deliberate :p	12:48
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Macer	forgot about the e90 but it was way too rich for my blood	12:49
Macer	$1000	12:49
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nid0	I ended up getting mine as a £49 upgrade from my network lolz	12:49
jjo	psycho_oreos: deliberate	12:49
jjo	I think n900 was nice pocket size "debian" computer	12:50
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psycho_oreos	and there was other Nxxx series which also ran similar base off debian, along with OM freerunner	12:51
psycho_oreos	too bad none of those except N900 had phone capability	12:51
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Macer	wow...	12:51
Macer	http://www.eketshop.com/goods.php?id=2537	12:51
Macer	awesome	12:51
psycho_oreos	actually my bad OM freerunner does have phone capability but only 2G	12:51
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psycho_oreos	so apart from the fact that N900 would probably suck as symbian wannabe its still better in its own ways than symbian ever wished to be	12:52
macmaN	so there is another full-blown-linux based phone out there? i thought openmoko never got there, but havent been following that at all.	12:53
Macer	they have a gold replacement housing	12:54
Macer	hm. wonder if the white housing is in the front as well	12:55
psycho_oreos	there has been a few other linux based phone floating around. I think aava is another one but quite a pricey one	12:55
macmaN	there is only one way to get female support	12:55
macmaN	pink casing	12:55
Macer	hahahahaa	12:55
macmaN	white too, with gold elements	12:55
Macer	naw. there are bedazzled covers	12:55
Macer	those work better	12:55
macmaN	youre talking different female groups now	12:55
Macer	i am looking for replacement parts for my n900... for when there arent anymore	12:56
macmaN	the business woman still likes pink, but no more bedazzled	12:56
Macer	:)	12:56
macmaN	teenager takes either	12:56
Macer	ah. i see	12:56
macmaN	but i finally got my woman to finally start the dark side conversion process	12:57
macmaN	(i.e. on a device even off-hours)	12:57
macmaN	samsung galaxy tab did it,	12:58
macmaN	that experience has been good enough to start the conversion	12:58
macmaN	now the management process is still left. since i still need her to cook :)	12:58
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thopiekar	hi	13:03
thopiekar	what would be a good name for a infotainment application?	13:04
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macmaN	Infotainment?	13:05
macmaN	i dont think theres an app by that name yet	13:05
thopiekar	mediaplayer, OBD, etc..	13:05
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thopiekar	thinking about naming it pyCarmedia	13:05
macmaN	i still think "Infotainment" is better	13:05
thopiekar	i'll google for that to make sure it isn't used	13:06
macmaN	KISS works most of the time	13:06
macmaN	i for one cant help but feel some reluctance whenever i see a langAppBlah name	13:07
macmaN	makes the app feel hackish and not supported up front	13:07
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thopiekar	macmaN: thats why I think about renaming it..	13:08
thopiekar	formly this kind of solution is called "In car entertainment"	13:08
thopiekar	maybe I should call it simply ICE?	13:08
macmaN	non-obvious	13:09
macmaN	i stick by "Infotainment"	13:09
macmaN	so far	13:09
thopiekar	k	13:09
macmaN	make a name that is immediately understandable in the package list	13:09
macmaN	or at least gives a clue what it is	13:10
macmaN	ICE definitely doesnt do that	13:10
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thopiekar	kk	13:10
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edheldil	is not infotainment something else?	13:13
MohammadAG	mece, you don't have to confirm it, I'm sure it's an N950 :p	13:13
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edheldil	macmaN: e.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infotainment	13:16
macmaN	well its not my app, i didnt look into it at all	13:16
macmaN	just going by the authors thoughts here	13:16
edheldil	ah, sorry, thopiekar 's	13:17
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chem\|st	does someone have intel on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70780 ?	13:29
chem\|st	we talked about that issue but afair there was no solution	13:30
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dashavoo	Ok, can anyone explain this to me?	13:52
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dashavoo	My phone went off to be repaired, and came back with the lock-code reset.	13:52
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dashavoo	(reminder: I am the one who had an impossible lock-code)	13:53
dashavoo	oh man, I will be so angry if they have put an operator lock on my phone! I read about this company doing that to someone!	13:54
cehteh	the lock code is certainly not very secure .. nokia can flash it over	13:57
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dashavoo	hmm	13:58
cehteh	dunno if there are any simlocked n900's around, but thats rather pointless because you an reflash it completely	13:58
NIN101	and everyone else can crack it...	13:58
crashanddie	there is no simlock	13:58
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cehteh	crashanddie: is no .. or just not used? i bet there is some option for simlocking it	13:59
psycho_oreos	SIM PIN	13:59
dashavoo	sim pin? That is the villain that stole spiderman's phone, right?	13:59
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psycho_oreos	are you smoking pot or something? SIM PIN can be set on literally any decent phone. It also prompts the user/owner for it before the device can use the services/contacts/details provided by the SIM card	14:00
dashavoo	Why did they put horrible stuff on my screen? :(, scratches were better than this resin stuff they splashed onto it	14:00
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dashavoo	psycho_oreos: we weren't talking about sim pin numbers	14:01
dashavoo	or at least, I wasn't	14:01
crashanddie	There is no operator SIM lock on the N900	14:02
dashavoo	crashanddie: phew, that is a relief	14:03
psycho_oreos	and the only way to tell if they put an operator lock on the device is if you try to use another provider's SIM card	14:03
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crashanddie	except I've never seen an operator lock on the N900	14:05
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BCMM	i haven't even heard of one; is it possible/supported by Nokia?	14:06
chem\|st	the people from the island had something like a country lock... ;) stupid...	14:06
psycho_oreos	neither have I, I purchased my N900 prior to PR1.3 came out, and prior to PR1.3 there were no dialog boxes that allows you to enter to unlock your N900 from operator.	14:06
chem\|st	BCMM: possible but was never supported	14:06
crashanddie	"The people from the island"?? What is this, Lost?	14:07
crashanddie	psycho_oreos, yes, there were.	14:07
nid0	it was either in 1.2 or 1.3 that that unlock option was introduced, it didnt exist originally	14:07
chem\|st	crashanddie: the "not so europe" country on the island northwest of EU	14:07
psycho_oreos	I thought it was PR1.3 but meh	14:07
crashanddie	Actually, PR1.1 had it already.	14:07
crashanddie	PR1.2 introduced a label change of the button	14:08
chem\|st	vodafone uk requested it afair	14:08
psycho_oreos	they had their own firmware didn't they? that mob	14:09
dashavoo	psycho_oreos: I think they did	14:12
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RST38h	hemist: About that installer thing	14:17
RST38h	chemist: I think it may be possible to find out the parent(s) f a process and act based on wherher HAM is there	14:17
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chem\|st	RST38h: don't tell me... tell him!	14:19
RST38h	chemist: you are the one asking not him	14:21
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cehteh	mhm	14:32
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arvut	o/	14:36
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DocScrutinizer	damn, there for sure were SIMlocked N900, you can buy used ones on eBay	14:51
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DocScrutinizer	and why not, the BB5 is used in a plethora of Nokia phones	14:54
DocScrutinizer	ever wondered what for all the testpoints under battery?	14:55
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chem\|st	the dpkg -l from harmattan gives a clue about the rx-71, pretty bad o_O	14:59
chem\|st	RST38h: sry, was asking to reply there ;)	15:00
chem\|st	but didn't	15:00
DocScrutinizer	rx-71 seems dead	15:00
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: rx-71 == rm686	15:01
DocScrutinizer	uhuh, what did I miss?	15:01
chem\|st	the only thing called rm686 there is the policy-agreement...	15:02
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chem\|st	the stack itself describes as 71	15:02
DocScrutinizer	sorry, you completely lost me	15:02
Macer	haha	15:03
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Macer	let me try cups on this thing	15:03
chem\|st	there is a dpkg -l * from harmattan at http://people.collabora.com/~tester/pkgs and it is quiet new	15:03
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Macer	wish there were an X front end for it	15:03
chem\|st	the descriptions say rx-71 but for policy package	15:04
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DocScrutinizer	well, rx-71 note in keymap(?) also once suggested it has only two hw-buttons	15:06
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DocScrutinizer	well, 14 actually	15:06
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: hehe	15:07
DocScrutinizer	12 for the usual 0-9#* kbd	15:07
RST38h	There was also a reference to the 1kWt laser LED.	15:07
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RST38h	(ok, there wasn't, but if I were working on it, I would definitely inserted one into headers, just to make everyone wonder)	15:07
chem\|st	RST38h: the easter-egg they promised to me as I need that handy at work	15:07
chem\|st	the list is at max 4 weeks old as the google cache shows a different list	15:08
RST38h	AFAIK, RX-71 was an RX-51 prototype board	15:09
DocScrutinizer	I thought they used a gas-discharge laser for that, a smart dual usage of the built-in electron flash	15:09
RST38h	But I may be wrong	15:09
chem\|st	damn was cached again yesterday	15:09
RST38h	Aegis is there	15:10
chem\|st	maybe it is the same board again for testing	15:10
chem\|st	as the n900 was reference hardware	15:10
RST38h	Looks like it is coming out on Vodafone	15:10
RST38h	And includes Windows Live, of all things	15:10
chem\|st	and T9 xinput	15:11
DocScrutinizer	YAWN	15:11
chem\|st	s/xinput/oscrkbd/	15:11
* DocScrutinizer realizes it's friday		15:11
infobot	chem\|st meant: and T9 oscrkbd	15:11
RST38h	There is indeed no Flash Player	15:12
RST38h	Not in this list anyway	15:12
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chem\|st	I don't care about flash	15:13
chem\|st	at least not if its not a highfrequency discharge flash	15:14
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* DocScrutinizer feels like beamed back to the time where every day 5 trolls asked here "when will pr1.2 be available?"		15:25
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edheldil	When will PR1.2 be available?	15:26
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* DocScrutinizer considers if meego harmattan isn't maybe a ban'able subject. This is #maemo after all ;-P		15:28
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crashanddie	edheldil, 424 days before your ban was removed.	15:29
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DocScrutinizer	lol	15:29
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edheldil	eh :)	15:31
Macer	wtf	15:32
Macer	cups wont accept my root password	15:32
Macer	argh	15:32
crashanddie	try: "2girls"	15:32
DocScrutinizer	:-P	15:32
Macer	heh	15:33
Macer	i dont know why it wont accept it	15:33
DocScrutinizer	cups borked - using su - ?	15:34
Macer	i am using the web interface	15:35
Macer	it picks up my networked laser printer	15:35
Macer	i can choose it and in the end it asks me for a password	15:35
DocScrutinizer	well, I recall having issues with the friggin user acounts in cups more times than I'd like to recall	15:35
DocScrutinizer	I think there's been a "trick", but for the life of me I can't remember	15:36
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: harmattan is still m6	15:36
Macer	people in forums use easydeb	15:37
Macer	i dont want to use a chroot	15:37
DocScrutinizer	you don't need to	15:37
DocScrutinizer	I guess	15:37
DocScrutinizer	the "doesn't accept password" issue is a common one, also on "proper" linux	15:37
Macer	ok	15:40
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DocScrutinizer	lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/jr/.gvfs -- just in case anybody ever wnats to know where my hate for g* comes from	15:42
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DocScrutinizer	plus THIS IS A KDE SYSTEM!!eleven11!!	15:43
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: you looked at /var/log/cups/* ?	15:45
crashanddie	I just discovered a bug in my company's product	15:47
Macer	wtf	15:47
Macer	i just broke root	15:47
RST38h	crashanddie: OMG	15:47
DocScrutinizer	libsasl2, libpam, libkrb... wow this CUPS thing has to be secure	15:47
crashanddie	It only happens every 65536 calls, on wednesdays.	15:47
RST38h	crash: Is there a specific moon phase required?	15:47
crashanddie	Nope	15:47
crashanddie	I have no idea why	15:48
Macer	hm	15:48
Macer	DocScrutinizer: hahaha	15:48
RST38h	crash: Who cares, just replace all shorts with ints =)	15:48
Macer	i think you have to be in the lpadmin grp	15:49
Macer	can i just edit /etc/group and add user,root to the end of it?	15:49
DocScrutinizer	err, basically yes, though not best practice	15:50
chem\|st	N900xray - not realy?!	15:50
RST38h	chemist: naaah	15:51
crashanddie	but there is actually a "if (call_id.get_seed() > MAX_SIZE_ID() && dayofweek() == 3)"	15:51
* DocScrutinizer hates fridays, headache, and no milk for coffee		15:51
RST38h	chemist: But I am sure you have got the equipment to test =)	15:51
chem\|st	RST38h: was just build...	15:51
chem\|st	RST38h: sure I have	15:51
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: I have a friggin deja-vu	15:52
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RST38h	crashanddie: Is there a comment // We fuck up here, because we can ?	15:52
crashanddie	oh RST38h, no, of course not.	15:52
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DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: you run this prank on us some year ago?	15:52
crashanddie	The only comments in the code are those where you remove lines but you're not sure.	15:52
RST38h	Probably got deleted by the version control system	15:52
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer, don't think so?	15:53
chem\|st	we are all in prep for tonights "night that creats knowing"	15:53
chem\|st	I love translat:google	15:53
* RST38h notices with morbid satisfaction that the word "Putin" is being replaced by "*****" in rbc.ru forums		15:53
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer, though I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened a few months ago, yeah	15:53
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crashanddie	But just looking at the sheer inconsistency of the code is giving me goosebumps	15:54
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: if this isn't a delusion induced by caffeine withdrawal, then we had a report of an error in code that only happend on particular days of week/month whatever, like months or years ago, here in this chan	15:54
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer, yeah, could be, it's the same dev	15:54
chem\|st	in german it is wordplaying as "creat knowledge" is "science" but with a space in between	15:54
crashanddie	well, I remember pulling out some hairy goofballs of computer science out of his mess	15:55
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crashanddie	the most beautiful one was checking if a file existed, and then opening another one in read-only, and opening yet another one in write-only, to end up never reading nor writing in either of the files	15:56
chem\|st	should I install?!	15:56
crashanddie	Yet still making the system crash because he tried to open a non-existing file, and didn't test the pointer.	15:56
RST38h	chemist: of course	15:56
RST38h	I mean, it won't make your N900 GENERATE xrays, will it?	15:57
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chem\|st	could test that as well...	15:57
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chem\|st	with enough power you can get anything to emit x-rays...	15:58
Macer	ugh	15:58
Macer	still cant get it	15:58
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crashanddie	chem\|st, could you get light to emit x-rays?	15:58
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DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: even with a deliberate typo? o.O "wissen schaft" - oh, how I hate those games	15:58
chem\|st	I backup first	15:58
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jaska	well, light of suitable wavelength is x-rays?:)	15:59
Macer	E [20/May/2011:07:56:00 -0500] cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 28 (Module is unknown)!	15:59
Macer	hah	16:00
DocScrutinizer	"die nacht der wissenschaft" vs "die nacht die wissen schafft"	16:00
chem\|st	crashanddie: x-ray is a form of "light" if light is a wave between 10m^-8 and 10m^-12 wavelength...	16:01
chem\|st	crashanddie: don't play me pls	16:01
RST38h	chemist: by heating it up until its spectrum reaches xray range? =)	16:01
crashanddie	and accelerating its frequency	16:02
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: the first is a campus only thing the second is from our city projected for science facilities all around the campus... we are located at the "science-mile" the street that passes through between campus and university-residence-area	16:03
chem\|st	RST38h: accelerating	16:04
chem\|st	RST38h: what he said...	16:04
RST38h	Ah	16:04
chem\|st	sry distracted over here :)	16:04
Macer	got it	16:05
Macer	but now i am missing foomatic?	16:05
Macer	wtf	16:05
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crashanddie	this being said, AFAIK, we don't really know how to manipulate photons, unless you somehow (and I'm really out of my knowledge field here, feel free to correct me) bounce them off electrons, so my initial point still stands: You can't really play with a photon without getting it back to the electron state first.	16:06
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chem\|st	crashanddie: gimme light I give you a solar-charged-xray-gun human mountable	16:07
Macer	Unable to start filter "foomatic-rip" - No such file or directory.	16:07
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crashanddie	chem\|st, and you have to shoot someone 30 times so that it kills him 40 years later, I'll pass, thanks.	16:07
DocScrutinizer	Macer: what's been the problem?	16:08
crashanddie	Considering I can buy a gun that shoots black powder for a hundred quid, and is legal to own and carry around.	16:08
chem\|st	I would estimate 2 weeks to build it, and the guy wearing the suit should be able to handle 60kg for at least 10min	16:08
chem\|st	crashanddie: actualy no about one hit if a head shot	16:09
crashanddie	The thing that always cracked me up was Superman	16:09
crashanddie	He was told to have X-Ray vision	16:09
crashanddie	But..., ok, so his eyes shoot out x-rays, cool. How does his xray retina get the information back, if it doesn't bounce on anything?	16:09
chem\|st	x-ray vision does not work with x-rays afaik	16:10
Macer	DocScrutinizer: i got the printer added	16:10
chem\|st	it is just a made up name as you can look through like with x-rays	16:10
Macer	but there isnt a foomatic-filters in any repos	16:10
Macer	:(	16:10
* DocScrutinizer points one of the lead rods of his orbital xray laser at crashanddie's position		16:10
crashanddie	chem\|st, ok, fair enough	16:11
crashanddie	yet again, it's something that goes through objects	16:11
crashanddie	how does it bounce back?	16:11
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chem\|st	yeah it is just the name not the technique	16:11
nid0	it only goes through as many objects as you conveniently happen to want it to, then bounces off the next thing back through them all	16:11
nid0	duh	16:11
DocScrutinizer	Macer: yes, but how did you solve the "wrong password" issue?	16:12
Macer	installed libpam-modules	16:13
Macer	now i am stuck on foomatic-filters	16:13
DocScrutinizer	nid0: sounds like a combination of a ion-gun and a gama detector	16:13
DocScrutinizer	gamma*	16:14
DocScrutinizer	Macer: nice. thanks	16:14
chem\|st	crashanddie: don't know if the base is soundwaves	16:14
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RST38h	Doc: Will you use the lead road as a ...mhmm... kinetic weapon? =)	16:15
RST38h	s/road/rod	16:15
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DocScrutinizer	nah, lead rods are the laser medium of a nuclear powered xray laser that definitely doesn't take 30 years to kill anything, no matter if living or a rocket	16:16
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edheldil	crashanddie: we (as in ... we Earth ;-)) can manipulate photons with gravity. And you will make x-ray photons from visible-light ones by moving fast enough towards the light source, I think	16:17
Macer	im lost	16:18
Macer	i need foomatic-filters but cssu doesnt have it	16:18
DocScrutinizer	aiui those aren't arch specific	16:18
Macer	meaning i can use an x86 deb?	16:19
Macer	:)	16:19
DocScrutinizer	well, maybe not directly	16:19
DocScrutinizer	but you should definitely look into that deb and maybe extract a few files and copy to N900	16:20
DocScrutinizer	I'm not at all sure about that, but it's the idea I'd try	16:21
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Macer	i found a deb	16:22
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chem\|st	edheldil: accelerating electrons emits x-rays so "accelerating" onto a light source will for sure emit x-rays ;)	16:22
chem\|st	and x-rays are visible	16:23
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chem\|st	hehe	16:25
chem\|st	the scanner detects if the screen is open or closed and shows a x-rayed n900 afterwards with the right possition - lol	16:25
Macer	hm	16:26
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DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative#X-ray_laser	16:41
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RST38h	Doc: Proposed by Edward Teller, who else!	16:42
Khertan	Hello !	16:42
RST38h	ehlo khertan	16:42
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: you know x-rays will kill your N900 quite fast	16:42
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DocScrutinizer	x-rays are a quite effective way to erase all flash memory. Also the small ones you tend to forget about (ALS, camera, BT, accelerometer, modem[not so small], whatnot)	16:45
DocScrutinizer	also they kill the microphone, if it's a electret type	16:46
DocScrutinizer	if you're interested, I can send you a link to the ds of mic used in FR, it has detailed info about max kEV and whatnot, that the component can stand for N times	16:47
psycho_oreos	that would be troublesome for carrying it onboard the aircraft by means of putting the electronic goods on yourself	16:48
DocScrutinizer	psycho_oreos: well, those x-ray machines are even photo-film safe nowadays, afaik	16:49
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: nvm... yes I know that EM-pulses and X-rays are the most effective things against electronics	16:50
psycho_oreos	that's good :D otherwise my N900 wouldn't have had a nice journey being exposed to excessive X-rays in a short amount of timeframe	16:50
Khertan	Debate of the day : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qeZY6h9gBVM#t=51s < is it an n950 ?	16:52
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RST38h	chemist: Sledgehammer is more effective though	16:52
RST38h	And a blender of course!	16:53
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psycho_oreos	Khertan, what the device being filmed?	16:55
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DocScrutinizer	eh?	17:01
Macer	wtf	17:01
Macer	where does maemo put gcc?	17:01
DocScrutinizer	there's no gcc on maemo	17:01
Macer	i installed gcc-4.2-base	17:01
Macer	escription: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) This package contains files common to all languages and libraries contained in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)	17:02
zakkkkm	"which gcc"	17:02
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Macer	?	17:04
Macer	i am trying to build foomatic-filters on the device	17:04
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n951evil	build-essentials	17:06
n951evil	not just gcc	17:06
jaska	why not on sdk?:)	17:06
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Macer	n951evil: there is no build-essentials pkg	17:08
Macer	ah well. worked on this for a bit too long as it is	17:09
Macer	going to take a time out	17:09
Khertan	psycho_oreos: the reflect on the filmed device :)	17:11
Macer	jaska: i remember the sdk being a total pain	17:15
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jaska	macer: sortof.. probably slightly less painful than compiling stuff on phone tho	17:21
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DocScrutinizer	Khertan: I suggest searching for details about N9??? in chicken giblets or goose innards	17:23
Khertan	:)	17:23
Khertan	http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/samsung/phones/3.jpg <<< hum ... finally there is android phone with hw keyboard	17:23
DocScrutinizer	also white noise aka snow on old unrecorded video tapes might be a good source of reliable info	17:24
Khertan	http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/htc/8.jpg	17:25
Khertan	DocScrutinizer: of course !	17:25
DocScrutinizer	Khertan: umm, so what's been this: http://handylist.de/images/handys/453/original_Motorola-Milestone.jpg ??	17:26
derf	Khertan: I've had an Android phone with a hw keyboard for 6 or 8 months now.	17:26
Khertan	DocScrutinizer: in fact for the moment i'm more interested by a new battery for my n900 not too much priced but which aren't a fake	17:27
n951evil	macer build essentials is in the sdk repo.	17:27
n951evil	not optified	17:27
Khertan	derf: oh ... didn't know there was ...	17:27
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: "even" photofilm? you need a larger amount of energy to see x-ray images on photofilm than with those luminance-films	17:27
Khertan	DocScrutinizer: motorola... i ll never buy a product from them	17:27
derf	Khertan: Droid2 has been out for a while now.	17:27
derf	Of course, it's from Motorola.	17:28
Khertan	:(	17:28
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: luminance-film?	17:28
Khertan	derf: did there is some apps done in python in the stores ?	17:29
derf	Gekk if I know.	17:29
derf	I only use it for development.	17:29
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DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: ancient style x-ray "phosphor" screens?	17:29
Macer	n951evil: ah ok	17:29
Macer	let me add the repo	17:29
derf	For which the hw keyboard is a godsend... I find it physically impossible to type on the vkb.	17:30
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Khertan	DocScrutinizer: http://www.meegofrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Clone-N9-03.jpg ;)	17:30
DocScrutinizer	n951evil: who are you, and what's that weird nick?	17:30
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: there is a x-ray-active material with photo-active material mixed in a film - that is what they use today - state of the art is digital	17:31
Khertan	derf: this is why i ask i ll use it for dev only ... but i like to do onboard dev ... so sometime i do python code for the device i use :)	17:31
Khertan	derf: so if i can't release any python app with it ... it s a no go for me :)	17:31
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DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: sure	17:32
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: a reuseable chassis-box in the size of the old film boxes to be useable with the older machines too	17:33
DocScrutinizer	costs more than gold I guess	17:34
chem\|st	sure	17:34
chem\|st	the weight in gold would be cheaper I guess	17:34
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DocScrutinizer	hundereds of 1" camera sensors, plus maybe special leadglass based fibreoptics, dunno what they actually use	17:36
crashanddie	guys, are you seriously still talking about the xray thingy?	17:36
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DocScrutinizer	it's friday :-S	17:36
crashanddie	FRIDAY FRIDAY GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY	17:37
DocScrutinizer	for now I'm most excited about n951evil and his nick ;-P	17:37
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DocScrutinizer	not registered	17:38
crashanddie	Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday. To day it is Friday, Friday. We we we so excited. We so excited. We gonna have a ball today. Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday, comes afterwooooords.	17:38
DocScrutinizer	while speedevil has vanished :-/	17:38
crashanddie	I DON'T WANT THIS WEEKEND TO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND	17:39
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DocScrutinizer	sounds like a therapeutic song straight from the manager burnout treatment closed facility	17:40
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer, you don't know this song?	17:41
DocScrutinizer	no?	17:41
crashanddie	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0	17:42
crashanddie	Most "disliked" song on YouTube.	17:42
DocScrutinizer	lemme guess why ;-P	17:42
crashanddie	It's the male version of Justin Bieber.	17:42
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Khertan	crashanddie: i can clearly understand what it s the most disliked	17:46
Khertan	crashanddie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlY3ZTrBkw&feature=related	17:48
crashanddie	yeah yeah, I know it :)	17:48
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Khertan	crashanddie: there is really many parody ... even metal	17:49
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n951evil	docs: It's just my n900 with a broken n900 xchat as I forgot my password. I'm currently sitting under a tree, waiting for a bus.	17:51
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jaska	better than sitting under a bus, waiting for a tree.	17:53
crashanddie	Better than bussing a tree, sitting on a wait.	17:55
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trx	lol	17:56
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Termana	Why are you all obsessing over Rebecca Black when we are all about to die!	17:59
Termana	:p	17:59
n951evil	Because it's Friday?	18:00
ShadowJK	friday friday friday	18:00
Termana	No it's not. It's Saturday fools	18:00
chem\|st	Termana: what do I do at work then?	18:00
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Termana	Talk to me when your on the right part of the world	18:00
Termana	chem\|st, tell your boss to STICK IT	18:01
chem\|st	up his	18:01
Termana	the post it note on the wall that is	18:01
Termana	Besides, this is all further evidence that the world is ending	18:02
crashanddie	Termana, really, it's already 2187, you're just on the retarded part of the galaxy.	18:02
chem\|st	we got some time left... at least one year and a few month	18:03
crashanddie	the year 2187, that is.	18:03
Termana	The IRC channel is talking about Rebecca Black, thereby the IRC channel has become worse than tmo	18:03
Termana	MUST BE END TIMES	18:03
chem\|st	crashanddie: actualy 2012	18:03
Termana	chem\|st, lol	18:03
crashanddie	chem\|st, only if you're a light year away	18:03
chem\|st	WTF is Rebecca Black?	18:03
crashanddie	chem\|st, we're 2187 here.	18:03
DocScrutinizer	Termana: YOU are talking about that subject	18:03
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: WTF is Alice - that's the correct wording!	18:04
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chem\|st	crashanddie: you are talking about the misscalculations because of 40th birthdays set to 1700 and stuff alike right?!	18:04
crashanddie	I am not.	18:05
crashanddie	I am talking to you from the other end of the galaxy	18:05
crashanddie	Hence the difference timestamp.	18:05
chem\|st	I am going nuts by learnin ishihara images by heart and you, you talk about Rebecca Black!	18:05
crashanddie	I'm just reading the historical logs from your era, and sending hyper-powerful wifi bursts to earth.	18:05
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DocScrutinizer	I'm talking to you from virtual space, and I tell you your time sucks	18:06
Termana	crashanddie, I don't believe you. You are still running on a 32-bit machine and it's past 2038	18:06
crashanddie	I'm not running 32-bit	18:06
chem\|st	crashanddie: good morning then!	18:06
chem\|st	crashanddie: lmg 256?!	18:06
crashanddie	Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die.	18:06
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crashanddie	Woops, recursion fail.	18:06
DocScrutinizer	even your idea of time is... solly	18:06
DocScrutinizer	silly*	18:06
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crashanddie	Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: http://media.fukung.net/images/15853/4bb7d70a15ceeaa0aa68188f0a12514f.jpg#	18:07
chem\|st	there is no time	18:07
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: I know "there is no spoon"...	18:07
crashanddie	The only measure of a clock in another clock.	18:07
trx	there is only time	18:07
chem\|st	trx: wrong, there is only files	18:07
trx	space is a snapshot at a time fragment	18:07
trx	chem\|st true :)	18:08
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: hey, you got a glimpse at the truth	18:08
chem\|st	trx: wrong, that is what is left on my sdd...	18:08
crashanddie	Termana, you suffer of koro.	18:08
chem\|st	in your case maybe only ssd	18:08
chem\|st	and I suffer from cyberbrain sclerosis...	18:11
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DocScrutinizer	even spam goes friday madness - got a job offer from "NOBLE RECRUITMENT NIG LTD" "Chevron Nigeria Limited", sender: NOBLE CONSULTANT <redneckchris@gmail.com> reply-to: noblerecruitment@w.cn - LOL	18:11
crashanddie	"redneckchris". Seems legit for a "noble" person.	18:12
DocScrutinizer	indeed	18:12
DocScrutinizer	w.cn also looks rather assuring	18:12
DocScrutinizer	no to mention "NIGERIA" at large	18:13
chem\|st	ew my tachikoma drank natural oil again	18:13
DocScrutinizer	sure I'll send my full resume - I'll even include bank account details	18:13
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: don't forget your credit card details^^	18:14
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Termana	crashanddie, what are you doing looking at Richard anyway?	18:17
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crashanddie	sorry?	18:17
Termana	<crashanddie> Termana, you suffer of koro.	18:17
Termana	You're telling me I'm suffering of dick shrinkage	18:18
Termana	What are you looking for anyway?	18:18
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Termana	Yeah, that's what I thought you had to say on the matter.	18:22
Termana	:p	18:22
crashanddie	You should /nick MrAnderson	18:22
crashanddie	Because if you keep going like this, in a few minutes you won't have a mouth anymore	18:23
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Termana	Aww. You poor little flower. Did I hurt your feelings?	18:25
crashanddie	Termana, good morning: http://media.fukung.net/images/28684/d5da64aa431d57517a2578fe830247f6.jpg	18:26
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DocScrutinizer	Termana: your trolling isn't really amusing most of the time	18:40
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, probably I should +q myself, as I'm in a really grumpy mood now	18:48
DocScrutinizer	time for 12648430 ☕	18:48
kerio	crashanddie: haha	18:48
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lolcat	Any news on the N9?	19:03
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, somebody seen a giant version of it (>500ly length) at the border of our neighbour galaxy	19:05
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DocScrutinizer	(somebody picked up a one and hit your head with it)	19:07
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DocScrutinizer	Bone even	19:07
DocScrutinizer	the new 'leaked promo' in 3D, soon to come	19:08
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lolcat	DocScrutinizer: Do you need glasses and a 600hz tv to see it?	19:23
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DocScrutinizer	no, it'll use a revolutionary new tech that will show it 3D movie even when printed on a sheet of paper	19:24
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DocScrutinizer	does only work for human eye, not for arbitrary cameras etc, as it's using some neuronal effects in retina	19:26
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BCMM	what can i do to reduce the n900's power usage, while backing things up over wlan?	19:52
BCMM	i've already removed the SIM	19:52
cehteh	disable desktop widgets when there are active ones, dont play music, keep display off	19:55
cehteh	disable gsm maybe too (but standby doesnt suck much power)	19:56
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cehteh	when you dont charge, then dont connect usb, that keeps the cpu quite busy too, but i guess you ask because the usb port came loose? :)	19:57
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Sc0rpius	what I would do is backup everything to the microSD card and then take it out	20:00
Sc0rpius	instead of backing everything up over WiFi	20:00
Sc0rpius	and I'm assuming the USB port came loose as well	20:00
RST38h	Google has shut down its five-year old effort to digitizes back issues of the world's newspapers.	20:02
BCMM	cehteh: is there a way to make GSM more disabled than it is with no SIM?	20:02
cehteh	mhm no :)	20:02
BCMM	actually, can you make emergency calls without a SIM?	20:02
Sc0rpius	no	20:02
DocScrutinizer51	BCMM: set wlan TX pwr to 10mW	20:03
Sc0rpius	I don't think so, but there's an offline mode that turns off all the GSM radio even if the SIM is inserted	20:03
cehteh	old dumbphone once could, but that was abused to often so they dropped support for it	20:03
BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: thanks! forgot about that one	20:03
BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: what effects does that have? simply reducing range?	20:03
DocScrutinizer51	yes	20:03
BCMM	i mean, it won't effect transfer speed, provided it's close enough to the router?	20:04
cehteh	the normal 'offline mode' also disables wlan .. but there is an applet for switching to tablet mode	20:04
DocScrutinizer51	meh, without SIM there's no need for tablet mode	20:04
BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: that's probably why that applet disappears when the SIM is out	20:05
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edheldil	I think you should be able too	20:07
DocScrutinizer51	not that it matters much, at least here in D, as they switched off the 911 calls without SIM	20:08
BCMM	84.4M MyDocs/backups/FailedUSB/comm_and_cal.zip <-- what?	20:08
edheldil	my treo was able to call emergency numbers even without SIM, I have found out when I gave it to my baby daughter while she was crying and she managed by pure luck to dial police :)	20:08
BCMM	edheldil: heh, i've been told that i once called emergency services when i was small too	20:09
BCMM	i mean, too small to know the number, just by mashing buttons on a landline	20:09
edheldil	yes, here it's 112	20:10
DocScrutinizer	and doesn't work anymore, without SIM	20:10
edheldil	and treo's lock was intuitively unlockable by infants	20:10
BCMM	ah, the communications and calendar backup seems to contain the profile pics of everybody i know	20:10
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BCMM	that's still bit though	20:11
BCMM	i don't think i have 84 megabytes of facebook friends	20:11
BCMM	s/bit/big/	20:11
edheldil	I think that here it's mandatory, you have to be able to eg call 112 even without credit	20:11
BCMM	ah	20:11
BCMM	a copy of my inbox	20:11
DocScrutinizer	edheldil: general requirements say you must be able to call 911/112/foo even when you don't know PIN or lockcode of device	20:12
edheldil	ah, true	20:12
DocScrutinizer	edheldil: here in Germany you still can call 112 without credit, but not anymore without SIM inserted (seems they got too many "testcalls" - and never heard of IMEI)	20:14
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lolcat	edheldil: NOrway!	20:19
toresbe	YAY NORWAY!	20:20
toresbe	Wait, what are we discussing...	20:20
lolcat	toresbe: Emergency numbers	20:21
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toresbe	aha. Yeah, 112 is an EU standard.	20:22
DocScrutinizer	actually	20:22
jaska	also gsm afaik	20:22
toresbe	Even though Norway has had the good sense to avoid an EU membership (huzzah!) we've still implemented it.	20:22
DocScrutinizer	jaska: not really	20:22
toresbe	Yeah. 112 is the GSM standard emergency number.	20:23
toresbe	If your country does not use 112, the carrier is obligated to forward you to the equivalent.	20:23
jaska	maybe not de jure	20:23
toresbe	It works like + for the int'l prefix.	20:23
jaska	used to be 000 here	20:24
DocScrutinizer	toresbe: the carrier / GSM standard provides a way for ME to query actual emergency numbers	20:24
toresbe	jaska: wow, unless you're in Sweden that's a seriously bad idea	20:25
jaska	finland	20:25
toresbe	Hm. Finland uses the standard rotary dial, right?	20:25
jaska	used	20:25
DocScrutinizer	everybody did ;-D	20:26
toresbe	no, uses, you can still pulse dial on a POTS line, try it. :)	20:26
jaska	yeah	20:26
jaska	i have accidentally dialed 112 with the hook before	20:26
toresbe	DocScrutinizer: Nope. Sweden had 0 at the other end of the scale.	20:26
DocScrutinizer	LOL	20:26
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jaska	iirc 0 was the longest pull on rotary	20:26
toresbe	yep, precisely	20:26
toresbe	DocScrutinizer: And the city of Oslo and New Zealand go 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 with ascending number of pulses.	20:27
DocScrutinizer	10 pulses	20:27
DocScrutinizer	OUCH	20:27
DocScrutinizer	insane	20:27
jaska	hmm.. but 1 was 1 or 2 pulses	20:27
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toresbe	Yes, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 with ascending number of pulses is the international standard.	20:28
DocScrutinizer	10 pulses = 0	20:28
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toresbe	yes, everywhere but Sweden.	20:28
BCMM	toresbe: iirc, touch tone exchanges don't have to support pulse-dialing	20:28
* DocScrutinizer shakes head		20:28
BCMM	(though i don't know of a country where they don't)	20:28
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toresbe	DocScrutinizer: it wasn't until some time like the 70s or 80s that one could get from one phone company to another by way of direct dialling, so it's not a big a weirdness as you might think.	20:29
BCMM	my stupidest emergency call was trying to get australian customer services in the UK (roaming)	20:29
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: it doesn't really matter nowadays, as the network signalling is out-of-band anyway	20:29
toresbe	in most countries...	20:29
BCMM	the SIM came with a contact for customer services. i didn't even see that it started with 999 till i rang it...	20:29
toresbe	You can still hear MF if you know where to listen. :)	20:29
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jaska	mf? i bet they have filters for that most places :D	20:30
toresbe	An acquaintance of mine managed to get a hold of a US phone number which was all the same digit.	20:30
toresbe	Being a phone geek, he was very happy about it, until he started getting phone calls with nobody on the other end.	20:30
jaska	best so far for me was having 0505053666	20:31
DocScrutinizer	HAH	20:31
toresbe	Or baby sounds followed not long after by "Hey what are you doing with that phone over there?"	20:31
jaska	back in the 90s	20:31
toresbe	He had to give it up eventually, to his chagrin.	20:31
DocScrutinizer	funiest thing about pulse dialing were 11/12/13 pulses	20:32
toresbe	?	20:32
DocScrutinizer	quite a lot of funny stuff you can reach on these "numvers"	20:32
SpeedEvil1	There are DTMF equivalents.	20:33
SpeedEvil1	Well - there were.	20:33
DocScrutinizer	e.g Germany ha "00" 11th hole in rotary, on the manual international exchanges only	20:33
SpeedEvil1	You used to be able to get stuff on dialing A-F	20:33
SpeedEvil1	A-D	20:33
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DocScrutinizer	not anymore afaik, SpeedEvil	20:34
jaska	yeah, i added a switch to my old dtmf phone to dial a-d	20:34
jaska	and some dtmf phones came with the keys	20:34
SpeedEvil	I know.	20:34
toresbe	like the AUTOVON phones	20:34
SpeedEvil	See 'used'	20:34
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DocScrutinizer	even some beeper keyrings used for TAM remote	20:34
DocScrutinizer	and it was rather convenient to use those beeper things on public phones built in the pulse dial area	20:35
DocScrutinizer	you could place call free of charge, though only for 0.5s until the first fee was due	20:36
DocScrutinizer	on airports and railway stations there used to be phones with a board with "shortdial" keys for caling hotels. Those were really handy for placing arbitrary free calls by using DTMF	20:38
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DocScrutinizer	me wonders where's the "DTMF generator" app for N900	20:40
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DocScrutinizer	via speakers of course	20:41
DocScrutinizer	good ole 6210 could do this, though quite a tad to low volume usually	20:42
DocScrutinizer	ootb	20:42
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer: turns out the bootvid wasn't the version i use on the phone	20:46
BCMM	i have one with the framerate matched to the n900 screen refresh, much smoother	20:46
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DocScrutinizer	mhmmmm	20:46
BCMM	(found now that i've got my battery charged)	20:46
BCMM	i'll upload	20:46
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DocScrutinizer	great	20:52
DocScrutinizer	lo javispedro	20:52
DocScrutinizer	o/ bbl	20:52
javispedro	afternoon	20:52
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: smooth version of boot vid: http://benmorris.org.uk/dontpanic.avi	20:52
BCMM	no, that's a 404	20:52
BCMM	ttp://benmorris.org.uk/bootscreen/dontpanic.avi	20:52
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BCMM	you know, i'll give up at this point. add an h to that, i'm clearly not competent to.	20:53
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BCMM	how does the backup app decide what to include as settings?	21:02
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alterego	Just got on a bus into town, there's only some random guy with an N900 sitting next to me.	21:03
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BCMM	alterego: reckon he's in this channel?	21:04
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SpeedEvil	alterego: I assume you weren't in Scotland?	21:05
alterego	Heh, he's just listening to music at the moment.	21:05
SpeedEvil	If so, that was me!	21:05
SpeedEvil	You aren't a hot girl with purple hair?	21:05
alterego	No heading from Bar Hill to Cambridge	21:05
alterego	SpeedEvil: yes? :P	21:05
* SpeedEvil imagines alterego as a hot girl with purple hair anyway.		21:05
BCMM	that's the magic of IRC	21:06
alterego	:)	21:06
alterego	hello big boy	21:06
BCMM	i'm looking inside settings.zip, and i really don't get it - is there some system to register your application with the backup app?	21:06
alterego	Is that an N900 in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?	21:06
alterego	Okay, that's weird, he's talking to it like a star trek communicator.	21:07
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alterego	I should have bought out my three and just stuck them to my body	21:08
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BCMM	ah, one puts files in /etc/osso-backup/	21:11
BCMM	alterego: three star trek communicators?	21:12
BCMM	or three n900s?	21:12
BCMM	do you carry a cluster for faster calculations or something?	21:12
MohammadAG	no, he wants 9*3 homescreens	21:12
alterego	Yes, 3 N900s	21:13
MohammadAG	the N900 still sells for about $500 locally	21:14
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alterego	I'm keeping one for a museum peice.	21:15
slonopotamus	the fact that something sells doesn't mean it is bought...	21:15
DocScrutinizer	alterego: clearly he's using pocketsphinx	21:15
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jacekowski	does anybody have a job for me	21:34
jacekowski	in the UK	21:34
jacekowski	paid job	21:34
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GAN900	Ubuntu keeps deciding I have a 700Wh battery	21:41
ds3	Nice	21:42
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* GAN900 wishes		21:43
jacekowski	ubuntu sucks	21:45
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: eeew, welcome to the club :-/	21:51
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Sicelo_	which club DocScrutinizer? seeking employment?	21:56
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DocScrutinizer	yep	22:01
Sicelo_	~DocScrutinizer	22:05
infobot	from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko	22:05
DocScrutinizer	well, that's correct, apart from the fact OM the Inc. doesn't exist anymore	22:06
Sicelo_	ok. i didn't know about OM till i started hanging out in this chan	22:08
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ZogG	Sicelo_ don;t believe him	22:16
ZogG	he is a liar	22:16
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ZogG	he is bot	22:16
ZogG	sup Doc	22:16
ZogG	it reminds me of bug bunny	22:16
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Sicelo_	who's lying ZogG ?	22:22
Technomike	hey guys :D	22:22
ZogG	DocScrutinizer,	22:23
Technomike	finally got my n900 back from Nokia Care. The USB port came out of the phone. They just did a replacement and have given me a whole new N900.	22:24
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DocScrutinizer	Sicelo_: nevermind ZogG	22:27
ZogG	DocScrutinizer тщ шкщтн =)	22:28
ZogG	no irony	22:28
DocScrutinizer	badmouthing won't earn you karma	22:29
ZogG	DocScrutinizer i'm not a karma whore	22:30
ZogG	damn iPhone sucks	22:30
ZogG	i can't even sync music as any app needs hal	22:30
ZogG	hal is so yesterday	22:30
DocScrutinizer	ZogG: you know why you're not yet kickbanned? Just because it's been me you called a liar, and I'm very reluctant to (ab)use chanop power when it's about me. Do this to anybody else and I promise you'll be banned faster than you can ponder to add "just kidding"	22:33
ZogG	DocScrutinizer are you F serious?	22:33
DocScrutinizer	yes, dfinitely	22:33
ZogG	than i can't help you	22:34
ZogG	sorry for you	22:34
Cor-Ai	hehe why is the rum gone? hehe because i drank it all! hehe	22:34
ZogG	or you probably forgot me and what and how i write or you have women's days in a month right now =)	22:34
DocScrutinizer	ZogG: it's NOT about me - it's about the other 371 users here	22:35
ZogG	DocScrutinizer i do love you but right now you acting like a childish jerk if you even considered to take it seriously	22:35
DocScrutinizer	who most likely don't get your screwed humour	22:36
ZogG	DocScrutinizer do you really care what anyone will think of you over internet?	22:36
DocScrutinizer	definitely	22:36
ZogG	or you really need to prove to those 371 user (as we don't count) who you are and what you worth	22:36
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DocScrutinizer	and you're a fool if you don't	22:36
ZogG	i do not care	22:36
ZogG	ok, Sicelo_, actually DocScrutinizer is one of the guys who do understand a lot in hardware and did help me a lot and he is smart and good guy, i'm just fooling around	22:37
DocScrutinizer	tomorrow my next customer will google for my email and irc nicks, and I don't like him to find a "doc is a liar" in chanlog	22:37
ZogG	Sicelo_, i'm serious here	22:37
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, now i restored your honor and you can ban me	22:38
DocScrutinizer	I won't now :-)	22:38
ZogG	but i do want	22:38
ZogG	as you are acting too serious and it's boring	22:38
ZogG	i used to you being Skynet	22:38
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DocScrutinizer	skynet is deterministic, even for the pseudorandom human factor implemented for your convenience	22:39
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Macer	how do i extract a .deb?	22:57
Macer	so i can get a file out of it	22:57
Macer	i am trying to find a non-foomatic ppd file to use on the n900	22:58
Macer	for the life of me i can't find a foomatic that will work on the n900 :(	22:58
Sicelo_	xarchiver should be able to do it	23:00
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: mc did a great job for me	23:01
DocScrutinizer	Macer: but all those CUPS filters rely on quite a number of converter tools, which maybe aren't included as RDEPENDS in CUPS.deb for fremantle	23:02
Macer	ar vx does it	23:02
Macer	;)	23:03
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Macer	oh	23:03
Macer	yeah well then.. i guess i give up on cups on the n900 :(	23:03
DocScrutinizer	at least that's my 2 cents	23:03
Macer	i was able to add the printer but without foomatic it is useless	23:03
DocScrutinizer	Macer: you should talk to the maintainer of the package	23:03
Macer	there is no foomatic pkg ;)	23:04
Macer	or do you mean of cups?	23:04
DocScrutinizer	it's a sane assumption he packed a .deb that did something useful for him	23:04
Macer	i suppose	23:04
Macer	there are probably printers that do not require foomatic	23:04
Macer	foomatic is called by the ppd	23:04
DocScrutinizer	I meant the n900-cups maintainer	23:04
Macer	yeah i will. ther is a forum about it but it wasn't very useful	23:05
Macer	just people with the same problem but no solid solution	23:05
Macer	some were saying to use a different ppd file but i can't seem to find one	23:05
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DocScrutinizer	depends on printer I guess. I know for a lot of printers there are alternative ppd which don't use foomatic but maybe gutenprint or even other tools to convert (cups noob speaking here!)	23:06
Macer	heh. i will keep looking	23:07
DocScrutinizer	what's your printer model?	23:07
Macer	but i am pretty sure foomatic is the norm	23:07
Macer	brother hl-2170w	23:07
Macer	i was trying to find an alternate one but can't seem to find it	23:07
DocScrutinizer	hmm, brother seems to have usually good support in cups	23:07
DocScrutinizer	well, the simplest solution is to ask n900-cups maintainer to build a foomatic pkg for you, or a cups pkg that contains foomatic	23:08
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DocScrutinizer	if he's just a bit concerned about his pkg, he will either find an alternative for you, or provide a fixed update	23:09
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: you're not working too?	23:12
DocScrutinizer	right now, nope	23:12
DocScrutinizer	just for you all day and night :-)	23:13
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DocScrutinizer	Brother/HL-2170W-pxlmono.ppd.gz is the file it suggests to me for this printer	23:15
DocScrutinizer	alas the only file, no alternatives	23:15
MohammadAG	http://jobs.intel.com/deu/jobs/ ?	23:16
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: there's also a lot of CUPS+Gutenprint, CUPS+omni, and BR3 ppd files for Brother printers	23:23
DocScrutinizer	you might find a semi-compatible one, for e.g the next better/smaller model of your series	23:24
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: http://jobs.intel.com/nuremberg-deu/system-verification-engineer/76703/job/ THANKS	23:31
DocScrutinizer	though I think those guys are paper fetishists, and I only got references, but really few papers	23:32
DocScrutinizer	(actually none since flat burndown :-/ )	23:32
MohammadAG	I'd give it a shot anyways :)	23:33
DocScrutinizer	yeah, it's matching ~90%. Better than usual	23:35
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DocScrutinizer	even location :-D - while still a lot of traveling which I like quite a bit	23:38
Macer	DocScrutinizer: well. that seems like way too much work	23:38
Macer	i think i might actually install the cssu sdk and try to build foomatic	23:38
DocScrutinizer	goooood plan :-D	23:38
Macer	but that's a whole new can of worms that is going to have to wait	23:38
DocScrutinizer	ask MohammadAG what he's thinking about cups and foomatic. Maybe he can spot some idiocy in dependencies or whatver	23:39
DocScrutinizer	I'm just searching webwide for pkgs for you	23:40
Macer	ok. i will when i get the chance	23:40
Macer	i might be able to build a printing support abiword too	23:40
Macer	and gnumeric	23:40
Macer	those are my goals. ;)	23:40
Macer	too bad i have absolutely no coding experience	23:41
Macer	otherwise i would probably go out of my way to build a ton of stuff for maemo	23:41
Macer	but i have a kubuntu box i'm sure making the sdk work on it shouldn't be too tough	23:42
Macer	just never really did it before. i'm guessing it just uses some sort of arm emulated chroot?	23:42
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MohammadAG	well, I haven't integrated gtk with cups yet	23:43
MohammadAG	I still need to ping X-Fade about that	23:43
MohammadAG	we need a build-depends CSSU	23:43
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DocScrutinizer	>>	23:44
DocScrutinizer	foomatic-filters - Filter Scripts Used by Printer Spoolers	23:44
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DocScrutinizer	Filter scripts used by the printer spoolers to convert the incoming PostScript data into the printer's native format using a printer and driver-specific, but spooler-independent PPD file.	23:44
Macer	?	23:44
Macer	DocScrutinizer: is that a maemo pkg?	23:45
Macer	i was looking all over for one.. i didn't see one	23:45
DocScrutinizer	obviously not, it's the package found searching for foomatic on my x86 machine	23:46
Macer	oh	23:46
DocScrutinizer	anyway the magic word in there is "scripts"	23:46
Macer	i thought you had some obscure maemo repo heh	23:46
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Macer	well.. the filter is a script i'd assume.. probably calls it from the ppd and runs certain commands through a foomatic wrapper	23:46
DocScrutinizer	yo	23:47
Macer	i would rather get foomatic working and see about adding the printer support to maemo apps	23:47
Macer	most linux ppds call on foomatic for laser printers	23:47
DocScrutinizer	Provides:	23:47
DocScrutinizer	foomatic-filters = 4.0.1-2.1	23:47
DocScrutinizer	foomatic-filters(x86-32) = 4.0.1-2.1	23:47
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Macer	got my bt keyboard working.. all i want is a self contained office suite in my pocket that can print :)	23:48
Macer	if i had enough skills i wish i could make a front end for cups	23:48
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DocScrutinizer	Requires: libm.so, perl, a2gs(!!), libgs.so	23:49
Macer	instead of having to use the web interface heh	23:49
DocScrutinizer	plus defaults	23:49
Macer	doesn't cups install perl and libgs?	23:49
DocScrutinizer	dunno	23:49
Macer	in maemo	23:49
Macer	heh.... well.. this is a task that is going to require a weekend off.. i work tonight so maybe in my 3 days off i can get the sdk going and see about building thigns	23:49
Macer	i've never pkgd before so it will be a nice little learning experience.. maybe i can even set up my own little macer repo heh	23:50
Macer	maemo.rancorous.net	23:50
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MohammadAG	personal repos ftl :p	23:51
DocScrutinizer	we could ask MohammadAG if he's willing to give foomatic-filters a shot	23:51
Macer	lol	23:51
Sicelo_	~ftl	23:51
infobot	For the Lose!	23:51
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DocScrutinizer	it's a separate pkg, so no direct dependencies to CUPS	23:52
DocScrutinizer	might built right away	23:52
DocScrutinizer	build	23:52
Macer	MohammadAG: i figured it was just a matter of time before nokia cost cut maemo.org out	23:52
Macer	dont they still own it?	23:53
Macer	i wanted to archive it all but i only have a few TB of space here	23:53
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MoonTiger	hi guys :)	23:54
MoonTiger	is this the right place for N900 questions?	23:54
DocScrutinizer	the only right place :-D	23:54
Macer	as long as it isnt a nitdroid question	23:55
Macer	hahaha	23:55
DocScrutinizer	indeed	23:55
MoonTiger	hehe cool ... got mine today ... late to the party but after feeling burned by the N810 i hesitated	23:55
MoonTiger	now i see what the fuss was about	23:55
DocScrutinizer	congrats, enjoy	23:55
MoonTiger	why the f**k did they abandon this device/os?	23:55
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Macer	MoonTiger: because they are stupid :)	23:56
DocScrutinizer	they didn't really just stopped active development	23:56
MoonTiger	anyways ... quick question... i cannot find the blessn900 camera package in the repos ... am i doing something wrong?	23:56
Macer	and ms was widdling their os into nokia	23:56
MoonTiger	i really didnt expect it to be this good after the N810 ... but wow	23:56
DocScrutinizer	umm, yes. You probably are missing extras-devel repository	23:56
MoonTiger	is it safe to enable that for normal use?	23:57
DocScrutinizer	depends on your def of "safe"	23:57
MoonTiger	well i am a dev but i would like my system to mostly work :)	23:57
DocScrutinizer	a lot of pkgs in there are higher quality than some crap that made it to extras	23:57
MoonTiger	i run arch linux on my main systems so a little leading edge is good	23:57
MoonTiger	ok cool	23:57
DocScrutinizer	so no worries :-D	23:58
MoonTiger	just be smart before allowing a massive update right?	23:58
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:58
MoonTiger	cool thnx	23:58
DocScrutinizer	and thoroughly check each aspect of your system after installing things from devel	23:58
MoonTiger	i wrote the lil maemo google calendar applet for the N810	23:58
DocScrutinizer	never install bunch of things	23:58
MoonTiger	think i might try to update it for the N900 now :)	23:58
DocScrutinizer	great!! :-D	23:59
MoonTiger	and qt is the target platform right?	23:59
DocScrutinizer	you'll gasp to learn what's in devel and testing	23:59
MoonTiger	ok so i should enable both those repos	23:59

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