| DocScrutinizer | testing not really needed if you got devel | 00:00 |
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| MoonTiger | i know someone took over the project i started .... i auth'd him to do so | 00:00 |
| MoonTiger | ok | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as the version in devel always is newer | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, merlin1991 has backups | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | just one good advice: test the bare bones device/OS for a week or so, to get a feeling for how it's supposed to feel&work like | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a lot of users installed/enabled crap on day0, and then claim "the N900 is power hungry and has standby of <8h" while it's their skype, or battery-eye, or whatvere crap that's causing that | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of it from extras, not devel ;-D | 00:04 |
| MoonTiger | ok just added the repo | 00:04 |
| MoonTiger | whats the story with the USB connector thing these days? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | adding the repo alone usually doesn't hurt (except for HAM getting slow like geotectonics) | 00:05 |
| MoonTiger | yah im seeing that now :) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | still you shall take darn care not to break it | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never aply levering force to the USB plug | 00:06 |
| MoonTiger | right | 00:06 |
| MoonTiger | i filed off the hook things on the cables too | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I didn't | 00:07 |
| MoonTiger | is there some way to make it stronger *before* it breaks? | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | <MoonTiger> and qt is the target platform right? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | my USB works just nice now, even for force needed to un/mate | 00:07 |
| MoonTiger | oh and im geting an error from: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | Qt or Gtk, doesn't matter if you want it only on Maemo 5 :) | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | Gtk apps start and repaint faster, Qt is easier to work with imo | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is | 00:08 |
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| BCMM | do Qt apps still start slower if there is already another Qt app running? | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | 500ms | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: you might find some tiny useful bits there: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:09 |
| MoonTiger | i guess the qt libs have to load right? | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | at least that's the fastest I could get my mediaplayer to start | 00:09 |
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| * MohammadAG tests his facebook app | 00:09 | |
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| MoonTiger | interesting ... so the CSSU is recommended? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrrr, not yet | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | 945ms | 00:10 |
| * MoonTiger pauses over the button | 00:10 | |
| MoonTiger | ok | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | latest version introduced some nasty bugs | 00:11 |
| * MohammadAG still blames Qt upstream | 00:11 | |
| Macer | haha | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that doesn't help cssu | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | true, and #qt sucks in terms of Qt-related help | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | you know, building, bug fixing etc | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so KICK IT, MohammadAG | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | pinged w00t three times or something | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's with the cssu-semistable I requested | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, better idea, gimme two days | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | achipa mentioned Qt 4.7.4 being "interesting" maemo-wise | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | Ah, finally the stupid laptop fan isn't 100% all the time now. | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (as our cssu SID is called "testing" which I think is odd anyway) | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | last time a fan bugged me it spun its last spin | 00:13 |
| * MohammadAG pulled the plug on it | 00:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot the bastard! | 00:13 |
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| MohammadAG | funny enough, the desktop runs at 34C without it, so no harm done | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I assume it's not been the CPU fan then | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | 40-50 under load | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | It's actually reasonably quiet at full speed | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I think I unplugged all fans once | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | it ran quite well, not sure if I plugged them back in... | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | But I don't particularly need the laptop running at 40C all the time. | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | my laptop boots up at 40 | 00:15 |
| MoonTiger | thnx guys ... bbl :) | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | goes up to 80 sometimes... | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, shouldn't you be using F? :P | 00:15 |
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| GAN900 | Not for computer temps. | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | If I can run the fan at level 2000RPM and get 48C versus 3500 and 40, well. | 00:16 |
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| MohammadAG | the number of reboots hotswap saves is awesome | 00:19 |
| * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer for that | 00:19 | |
| BCMM | anyone know what uses MyDocs/.maps and MyDocs/.map_tile_cache? | 00:22 |
| BCMM | (doing backups, care about maep; don't care about Ovi) | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, when my CPU got throttled @ 100°C, I finally had to remove the new fabric plastic my laptop invented and manufactured inside, and now it's down to 40° again | 00:24 |
| BCMM | hate laptops. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: you hardly can tell who's using it. Tendencies are for all map apps to share same cache | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | or just string the binaries!!!1 | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a rather sane thing | 00:25 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: is there a standard format for the cache, or a library or something? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not all map apps are already doing it | 00:25 |
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| BCMM | i know there are a few different apps that use the same libs as maep | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno about lib, seems there's some sort of common format | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question? | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lsof|grep <appname> | 00:27 |
| BCMM | ok, i've got a backup from the backup app, and everything i want from MyDocs, and my ~/bin/ directory with scripts, and my custom bootvid - what have i missed? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs :-P | 00:28 |
| BCMM | i'm not going to do a complete copy of hte filesystem. | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why not, it's only 220some MB | 00:28 |
| BCMM | maybe i should | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:29 |
| BCMM | how useful is it? | 00:29 |
| BCMM | i mean, how would i go about restoring it, if the phone had been flashed clean? | 00:30 |
| BCMM | i have no idea how kernels and booting works | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | later on you'll curse when you're missing your LED patterns set up with pattern editor and stored in /etc/mce/mce.ini - or whatever random other detail | 00:30 |
| BCMM | good point | 00:30 |
| BCMM | actually, that's only an argument for keeping /etc/ | 00:30 |
| BCMM | which i should really do actually | 00:30 |
| BCMM | custom sshd config and so on | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc is about 98% of what'S worth backup | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | some stuff might hide under piles of crap in /var | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | also /var has lots of symlinks to eMMC so it's not a good idea to backup indiscriminately | 00:33 |
| BCMM | i sort of figure that a mostly-clean start from time-to-time isn't a bad thing | 00:35 |
| BCMM | especially since i've got some trouble from having used apt-get upgrade | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:35 |
| BCMM | i'm just working out the details of the compromise | 00:35 |
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| BCMM | hmm, how does restoring | 00:35 |
| BCMM | the application list from the backup program work? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | works | 00:36 |
| BCMM | i mean, will it carry over apt-get upgrade -related mistakes | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for apps that have vanished from repo meanwhile, of course | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it won't | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 00:37 |
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| BCMM | ah, just looked at the file format | 00:37 |
| BCMM | package names only | 00:37 |
| BCMM | well, that and some truely superflous XML | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and repo list | 00:37 |
| BCMM | that's a seperate file | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 00:38 |
| BCMM | i suppose this XML would help in the case that an application name included a \n | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | XML is en vogue | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:38 |
| BCMM | seriously, it's starts with <backup>, then every line until </backup> is like <pkg>openssh</pkg> | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 00:39 |
| BCMM | personally, i think i would've opted for a simple file of package names, seperated by newlines... | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got a DTD? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe there are unused easter eggs in the format | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, who cares | 00:41 |
| Macer | hm | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as it's 'plain text' and not a friggin binary dump | 00:41 |
| Macer | not for nothing... | 00:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: nah, <backup> is literally the first line | 00:41 |
| Macer | is there a way to backup the entire phone? | 00:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: oh, it's no trouble, but it's funny | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: backup-menu | 00:42 |
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| Macer | backup-menu? | 00:42 |
| Macer | heh | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | pkg backupmenu | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | a special bootmenu | 00:42 |
| BCMM | like, that generation for whom the first cool thing they learnt to do with a computer was write HTML? they're allowed to design things now. | 00:42 |
| Macer | not to throw it out there but i mean.. something similar to android recovery | 00:42 |
| * Macer ducks | 00:42 | |
| Macer | oh. ok. let me take a look | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | will tar up your / and /home | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and restore | 00:43 |
| Macer | broken packages | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | courtesy robbiethe1st | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 00:44 |
| Macer | backupmenu: Depends: bootmenu-n900 but it is not going to be installed | 00:44 |
| Macer | E: Broken packages | 00:44 |
| Macer | heh | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | install bootmenu first | 00:44 |
| Macer | trying to install bootmenu-n900 fais | 00:44 |
| Macer | fails | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | use an older version | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall they "fixed" sth recently | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fundamentally breaking API (i.e. directory structure and parameters for calling backupmenu) | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it's been a real mess so probably they did the right thing. I only hope for robbie to update backupmenu now | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/117518/ worked for me last time I tested. I guess you should use a way newer backupmenu | 00:52 |
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| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question? | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure about lsof, never worked properly on the N900 tbh | 00:53 |
| Technomike | MohammadAG | 00:53 |
| Technomike | I cannot find your sociality app. Is it definetly still in extras development | 00:53 |
| Technomike | ? | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O lsof didn't work properly? | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how much would it bug you to try and build foomatic-filters for fremantle? | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | Technomike, yes, I don't push to -testing | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | -testing's concept was nice, till it started requiring votes | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~extras-testing | 00:58 |
| infobot | i guess extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37 | 00:58 |
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| MohammadAG | hah | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | most | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | most N900s I've seen had -devel enabled | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Testing is a good concept - but it doesn't really work with a tiny pool of testers who are often not motiovated for various reasons. | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see chanlog ^^^ | 01:05 |
| Technomike | hmmm can't find it. going to refresh catalogues... | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | just add -devel already | 01:06 |
| * SpeedEvil needs more battery life. | 01:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* what's that? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reading package lists... Done | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I was around and about today with 2 batteries, and ran out. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I run out with 4 batteries | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to make a leetle battery pack. | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: has cssu issues? with apt-get update? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that ^^^ then? repos down? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or borked? | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | that's extras | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | paste your sources.list.d/* files | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do I have to enable cssu repo to make apt-get update work? | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | nope, apt-get update works fine | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | your sources.list files are borked it seems | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | W: = warning anyway | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which sources.list? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | FQN please | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | all I guess, /etc/apt/sources.list is usually empty | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | cat $(find /etc/apt/ -name "*.list") | pastebinit | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/117520/ jr@halley:~> cat /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no other file there | 01:15 |
| * MohammadAG has deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 01:15 | |
| MohammadAG | also, remove -testing | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | -testing is a subset of -devel | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | apt will prefer -devel, meaning you're wasting time in each apt-get update | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I already did | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | change fremantle-1.3 to fremantle | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | afaik it's not available for -devel | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never ever edited anything there | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but indeed, those don't exist afaik | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither for devel nor for testing | 01:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what he's doing during the time others would call sleeping | 01:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 01:19 |
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| MohammadAG | you see me awake... | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure others are awake | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install is clean | 01:21 |
| Macer | it is 5pm in chicago | 01:23 |
| Macer | why would people be asleep? | 01:23 |
| Macer | heh | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | 1:23 AM here | 01:23 |
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| Macer | oh | 01:23 |
| Macer | well... then nm | 01:23 |
| Macer | :) | 01:23 |
| Macer | i'm wondering if installing the sdk is possible in natty | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF? can you doublecheck my steps please? | 01:24 |
| Macer | only boxes i have are ubuntu 11.04 | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ll /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 460 19. Mai 22:42 /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:24 |
| Macer | it would be nice to have a login to the phone | 01:25 |
| Macer | like kdm or gdm :) | 01:25 |
| Macer | and more than just user as a user | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> grep devel /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, nonsense | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | change those to fremantle | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# grep devel /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 01:27 |
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| Macer | heh | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | still in HAM I have an absolutely proper definition of devel | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | WITHOUT -1.3 | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | then remove the extras line | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | extra* | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | which extra line? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | HAM reads from an xml file btw | 01:28 |
| Macer | hm | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | not /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | AHAAA | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | so I guess removing the line from the list file and reopening ham should rewrite the xml | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think something should rewrite the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* when I edit catalogs in HAM | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, HAM does that from the xml file | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not always though, it seems | 01:29 |
| Macer | ah well. going to take a nap | 01:30 |
| merlin1991 | morning | 01:31 |
| merlin1991 | macer the backups MohammadAG mentioned are @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/ | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/6AtRHLnY | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: might cssu have caused HAM not to update /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 01:33 |
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| Macer | huh? | 01:33 |
| Macer | merlin1991: ah. those are repo backups? | 01:34 |
| merlin1991 | yep complete apt-mirrors | 01:34 |
| Macer | for when nokia shuts down maemo.org :) | 01:34 |
| Macer | i am sure it is a matter of time | 01:34 |
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| Macer | how big is all of it? | 01:35 |
| merlin1991 | lemme du it | 01:35 |
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| merlin1991 | 81 GB | 01:35 |
| Macer | oh.. wow that is pretty small | 01:36 |
| Macer | i should back it up locally | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even has old pkgs that got removed on nokia repos afaik :-D | 01:36 |
| Macer | heh. like chromium? | 01:36 |
| Macer | :) | 01:36 |
| Macer | i thought it would be larger | 01:37 |
| Macer | this weekend i am going to work on maemo.rancorous.net | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's just large enough :-S | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | i have some backups as well | 01:37 |
| Macer | heh... 80GB is peanuts nowadays | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | but cleaned up sometimes | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on my disks ;-) | 01:38 |
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| Macer | haha | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, I have one 160GB here, but it's mostly filled with backups now | 01:38 |
| merlin1991 | it has everything that was there on feb 16 and everything that got added since then | 01:38 |
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| Macer | /dev/sda1 6.3T 1.4T 4.9T 22% /mnt/Storage | 01:39 |
| Macer | ;) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8-) | 01:39 |
| merlin1991 | it adds about 540 mb per day | 01:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 01:40 | |
| Macer | well.. i would like to make a local maemo dev box | 01:40 |
| Macer | so hopefully it will work | 01:40 |
| Macer | on my quad core amd opteron hahaha | 01:40 |
| Macer | old school dual socket 940 box | 01:41 |
| Macer | with its awesome pci-x areca raid | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | LVM? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or what's that sda1? | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | raid0 probably | 01:41 |
| Macer | 8 x 1TB hw raid5 | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 01:41 |
| merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer fremantle-1.3 not existing for -devel? what's that then: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/ | 01:42 |
| Macer | nice enough for a good maemo dev project server | 01:42 |
| Macer | ;) | 01:42 |
| Macer | although i am not sure how well my upstream would handle it | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I have N F C :-o | 01:42 |
| Macer | as a matter of fact i have never really tested my upstream | 01:42 |
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| merlin1991 | ;) | 01:43 |
| Macer | hahahaaha | 01:43 |
| Macer | thanks :) | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | it's quite funny how different upstream is even withing the same provider having the same deal in the same flat | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | we switched our all in one router we got from the provider to a generic modem, and the upstream tripled | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: maybe those are symlinks, while for extras1.3 it's a really separate thing from extras? | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | yea they look like symlinks to me | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ ?! | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | but at least it should work with fremantle-1.3 | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^ | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | my apt-mirror.list for example uses fremantle-1.3 for -devel too | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/NyWGCiHY | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm lost on that friggin warning, on why my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* isn't in sync with /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues, on why there are *-1.3 for testing and extras anyway, and I'm out for booze now | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | gl :) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all I planned was updating backupmenu to test the recent version :-S | 01:47 |
| Macer | heh | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | l8r folks | 01:48 |
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| Macer | wow | 01:49 |
| Macer | only 200KB? | 01:49 |
| Macer | that cant be right | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | they are, on extras, not -devel or -testing afaik | 01:50 |
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| Macer | hm | 01:55 |
| Macer | wow my upstream only gives 300KB/s | 01:55 |
| Macer | friggin lame | 01:55 |
| Macer | that does not sound like the 12mbit i am supposed to get | 01:56 |
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| Macer | damn thing is giving me only 4.77 upstream? | 01:59 |
| Macer | tomorrow SOMEONE is getting a call | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, I thought the world's ending tomorrow | 02:07 |
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| nox- | .oO(end of the world predicted, film at 11...) | 02:09 |
| nox- | :) | 02:09 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, maemo.org down? | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea. Is it? | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, no idea why I thought backupmenu had pkg versions of 1.x and eve 2.x - actually 0.65 is the most recent | 03:56 |
| Macer | word | 04:01 |
| Macer | does that mean it will install now? | 04:02 |
| Macer | :) | 04:02 |
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| Macer | hah | 04:04 |
| Macer | guess so :) | 04:04 |
| Macer | so what do i do after installing it? | 04:05 |
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| xd13 | was there an update not to long ago ? i can't seem to run an update right now all catalogs don't get connection | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: backup-menu? boot with kbd slider open | 04:13 |
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| Macer | yeah | 04:20 |
| Macer | figured that out by accident lol | 04:20 |
| Macer | wow backing up with compression takes forever | 04:20 |
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| Macer | i am moving all my m3ps off of the internal memory to the sd | 04:20 |
| Macer | maybe that will help a bit | 04:20 |
| Macer | but 40MB took like 15 mins.. and booting i got some weird libacl error | 04:21 |
| Macer | maybe a pkg is missing? | 04:21 |
| Macer | wow.. moving internally between the internal storage and the sd is slow as hell | 04:22 |
| Macer | i'm moving 1700 mp3s and it is going like 2 mp3s per second | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, known | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | backupmenu WARNs about "compression is SLOW!" | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | my backup of rootfs (280MB?) took 90s | 04:24 |
| Macer | really slow | 04:25 |
| Macer | :) | 04:25 |
| Macer | what is the error i get on booting tho | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | opt is at 376 now, and 220s | 04:25 |
| Macer | the libacl.so or something like that | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite probably unrelated to backupmenu | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500MB 305s | 04:26 |
| Macer | ok | 04:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compression sucks, I'd not even consider to use it | 04:26 |
| Macer | heh.. yeah well.. slow is an understatement | 04:27 |
| Macer | i will try backing it back up again in a bit.. but it'd be awesome if it worked properly | 04:27 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: have you tried recovering? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually not | 04:27 |
| Macer | heh | 04:28 |
| Macer | my fear is that it won't work for the recovery | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but as it's tarballs... | 04:28 |
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| Macer | i got socket errors with /tmp as well | 04:28 |
| Macer | don't know what that was about | 04:28 |
| Macer | i will try again in a bit once i move all my music off the internal memory | 04:28 |
| Macer | is 32GB still the largest sd out there? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, uSD | 04:29 |
| Macer | $50 huh? | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | allegedly 64 are near | 04:30 |
| Macer | that's not too bad. right now i have a 16GB | 04:30 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how you'd get the device to boot if it did not have onenand. | 04:30 | |
| Macer | are they? i thought 64GB was xd | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 04:30 |
| Macer | is the xdhc stuff just a matter of an update for the n900? | 04:31 |
| Macer | or is the physical connection for the SD going to change? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I seem to remember even 32 is outa HC specs | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | XC | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the protocol changes afaik | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sd, sdhc, sdxc | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Does the interface change - or only the 'software' side. | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's simply the packet format alters a bit to accomodate more bits. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And you go to exfat | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the change is like sd->ddr | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. electrically diferent | 04:34 |
| * SpeedEvil hates non-public specs. | 04:34 | |
| Macer | heh | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | though probably backward compatible | 04:34 |
| Macer | well i gues once they release one | 04:35 |
| Macer | we will find out :) | 04:35 |
| Macer | i would like to add 64GB to my n900 tho | 04:35 |
| Macer | 128GB heh | 04:35 |
| * Macer pictures 1TB SD in his n900 | 04:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I've found surrpising amounts of stuff on edonkye | 04:35 |
| Macer | music... videos etc | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | searching for random specs | 04:35 |
| Macer | portable porn | 04:36 |
| Macer | etc etc | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - I was looking for linux distributions. | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it way simpler to swap cards? | 04:36 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: no | 04:36 |
| Macer | how is swapping cards easier than just leaving one in with all the space you need? :) | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck time, just one argument | 04:37 |
| * SpeedEvil drops ext3 on DocScrutinizer. | 04:37 | |
| Macer | haha | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | larger storage needs larger buffers in ram as well | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (though that just postpones the fsck) | 04:37 |
| Macer | does maemo even have exfat support? | 04:37 |
| Macer | meh. i would use ext | 04:38 |
| Macer | actually... no i wouldn't .. would kind of be stuck with fat so my windows user loser friends can get stuff off my phone if they need it | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | more storage also tends to eat more power | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | then the mere time to fill such a card is unbearable | 04:39 |
| Macer | adding music to it is usually incremental | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp if it can't be mounted on the phone as it's in your PC, or your phone is tied to PC's USB | 04:40 |
| Macer | anyways.. i gotta go out. enjoy your night | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | wikipedia claims SDXC is same interface electrically | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course... | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | same timing? | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno. | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | same clockrates? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | no multilevel on datalines? | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I should go into it - but in practice, making some nice oatcakes is higher on my stack. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm wondering where's the "special thanks to H-EN, ShadowJK & jOERG, for battery charging" acknowledgement in backup menu | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ever pondered about a vkbd on a r-ts actually is rather protected against all sorts of eavesdropping | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | accoustic? no dice. EM? it's mostly DC | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - it's not. | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | You can snoop the LVDS easily. | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might be able to listen to the ADC | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LVDS holds nuttin about me entering the PIN, as long as there's no stupid feedback | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming button going a colour to register a touch | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is invariably the normal case | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's not helping | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking with my EE hat on | 04:54 |
| * SpeedEvil puts a comedy duck hat on DocScrutinizer. | 04:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | quack | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the friggin "autostart=always" or whatever it's called that you set in .desktop to make an app autostart on boot - it also REstarts the app once you close it, MUHAHAHAHA | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | autostart=true or what's been suggested in desktop-file-format_wiki, doesn't work at all for me | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | not being able to close xchat, well it kinda sucks, sometimes | 04:59 |
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| ShadowJK | "Charging? What about flash10 720p 1080p 4kp?!" | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you contributed flash10 720p for bootmenu? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't really shine up ;-P | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in fact that flash looks pretty much like ncurses, or worse | 05:03 |
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| ShadowJK | nah I meant it in a "throwing pearls at swines" kinda thing | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 05:08 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't matter what you do, they'll always whine about flash current-version+1 and video resolution+1 | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not the devels, not all of them at least | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/backupmenu/0.61-1/ could miss the missing dependency and use a "courtesy DocScrutinizer&ShadowJK" after the note about charger | 05:14 |
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| ShadowJK | I discovered the past few days on tmo people talking about mjy charge script | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | I should like, add disclaimers and maybe error recovery.. | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | how come? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually charging got introduced here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/backupmenu/0.60-1/ | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I now remember talking him thru it | 05:30 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 05:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how anyone of you can discover *anything* on tmo :-o | 05:32 | |
| ShadowJK | they also found my reswap script, and I don't even remember uploading that, or why | 05:32 |
| ds3 | wait til something goes boom ;) | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | reswap? | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | swap swap ;-D | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean multiple swapfiles? | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:33 |
| ShadowJK | Speaking of, | 05:33 |
| * ShadowJK runs a reswap while logging disk access to uSD, this is going to hurt :D | 05:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | I had that idea ages ago. | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | we all had that idea | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK however wrote a script for it :-) | 05:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | while I just thought "duh, look! there's an unused swap partition on my FR uSD. Let's try some fancy" | 05:34 |
| ShadowJK | reswap is more like "defragment", by means of temporary swap partition and cycling your main swap off/on | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Te annoying issue is that swapoff is atomic | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | So to get decent performance I guess you'd need a few hundred swapfiles. | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Which isn't impossible I suppose. | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 05:37 |
| ShadowJK | But doesn't really play nice | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | a cronjob will do | 05:37 |
| * SpeedEvil should write that NBD shim. | 05:37 | |
| ShadowJK | you get horrible access patterns with multiple small swaps | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | better than Sony P1 rebooting via "cronjob" | 05:38 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, linaro is thinking of doing it through llvm(?) | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, is kswapd SO daunting? | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so nobody dares to give some love to it, and fix the damn thing? | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I understand how to do it in nbd. It's simple userspace code. | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | And it would be a proof of concept. | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | So you could point someone with more clue at it. | 05:39 |
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| ShadowJK | this swap defragmentation scheme I have has the side effect of pushing random bits of apps and cache out of ram, so some things respond sluggishly for awhile after | 05:39 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it's not a trivial fix | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | The nbd hack has the major flaw that it doesn't know about pages being thrown out but not overwritten on disk. | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh I guess kswapd is "trivial", on a kernel metric | 05:40 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia has done alot already to it actually. | 05:41 |
| ShadowJK | What's missing is "garbage collection", or "runtime defragmentation", whatever you want to call it | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | coupled with CPU load detection | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus IO load of course | 05:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, back in the days they defragmented HDDs while the system been used | 05:42 |
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| Macer | heh | 05:44 |
| Macer | maybe i should work on installing the sdk soon | 05:44 |
| Macer | anybody here running it on a natty box? | 05:44 |
| Macer | still uses scratchbox? | 05:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Defragmentation would be pretty much working out the least allocated 256K block - say - reading it and compacting, then writing out new. | 05:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Rumours of compcache used on N900+1 by default | 06:13 |
| ShadowJK | (sauce: tmo wastelands) | 06:13 |
| ShadowJK | I shoudl investigate that thing | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder how it decicdes between swapout and compressing | 06:14 |
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| timsamoff | Bring jackets to MeeGoConf. It's chilly. | 06:42 |
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| RST38h | "Since the rapture is tomorrow (May 21) at 6:00 pm local time (everywhere), I was just wondering: what plans does everyone have? I've got no specific plans for what to do. What will you be doing around 6:00 pm tomorrow?" -- Slashdot | 08:06 |
| Sc0rpius | 6 pm local time everywhere? | 08:07 |
| RST38h | No, US time. Also, I suspect only Americans will be taken. =) | 08:07 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe a stupid new TV series start at that time or something and it was just publicity | 08:08 |
| RST38h | So, if you were walking the streets looking for nice cars with fish signs on them, forget it =) | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | Sc0rpius: No, just another mad "christian" preacher. | 08:09 |
| yigal | ya I'd pass | 08:10 |
| Sc0rpius | the only thing that will collapse is twitter with these #rapture tweets everywhere | 08:10 |
| RST38h | not a bad thing. | 08:10 |
| Sc0rpius | indeed :) | 08:10 |
| yigal | ough Facebook and Twitter please humans, please think, thanks, sorry but in general that's my though | 08:11 |
| yigal | t | 08:11 |
| Sc0rpius | I've heard this Harold Camping guy already predicted the end of the world in 1994 and failed | 08:12 |
| yigal | and of course there was 2000 | 08:12 |
| yigal | and we have 2012 coming up as a big one | 08:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and all weird dates like 11/11/11 | 08:12 |
| yigal | lol | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | Please remind me, when time() is supposed to expire? :) | 08:14 |
| yigal | lol | 08:14 |
| Termana | good morning | 08:14 |
| yigal | Termana: good morning, though in my time zone it's the evening | 08:14 |
| Termana | yigal, it is in mine too but: | 08:15 |
| Termana | ~ugt | 08:15 |
| infobot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 08:15 |
| yigal | lol | 08:15 |
| Sc0rpius | haha | 08:15 |
| Sc0rpius | I didn't know that | 08:15 |
| yigal | so it is always evening with an international gathering | 08:16 |
| Sc0rpius | from that link: | 08:16 |
| Sc0rpius | "Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. Your ass will be laminated. (geoman is exception to this rule - his ass will be fried instead). " | 08:16 |
| yigal | well refrences from the Borg and laminated sound pretty scarry | 08:17 |
| yigal | but in general I'm not ruled by fear :D | 08:18 |
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| yigal | ah Beck, Mellow Gold what a worthwhile album | 08:19 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:03 |
| Macer | well.. let me see if i can understand these instructions on how to set up the maemo sdk | 09:04 |
| Macer | is there a newer one for cssu? | 09:04 |
| Macer | or is it still 1.3 | 09:04 |
| Macer | shit.. my n900 is about to die... need to track down a charger | 09:05 |
| Macer | figures | 09:05 |
| yigal | die of what cause? | 09:05 |
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| Macer | er | 09:11 |
| Macer | battery? | 09:11 |
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| alterego | Macer: if by SDK you mean scratchbox, it's the same. | 09:14 |
| alterego | madde on the other hand for the qt12 libs is tricky | 09:14 |
| Macer | alterego: ok. well. just tying to make a build environment | 09:16 |
| Macer | and learn how to pkg stuff | 09:16 |
| MohammadAG | packaging stuff in Qt Creator is meh at best | 09:16 |
| Macer | heh | 09:16 |
| Macer | well.. i have never done it before | 09:17 |
| Macer | so what it is is how i will learn | 09:17 |
| alterego | Anyway, I've gotta go, I've got a plane to catch | 09:17 |
| alterego | Packaging is better done in scratchbox | 09:17 |
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| alterego | madde/qt-creator packaging is pretty pointless imo | 09:17 |
| MohammadAG | wiki.maemo.org/mohammad7410/Packaging | 09:17 |
| alterego | (though I've not tried the latest version of Qt Creator 2.2) | 09:17 |
| alterego | Was gonna try that on the plane. | 09:18 |
| alterego | Anyway, see you all later. | 09:18 |
| alterego | I'll be back in about 15 hours (FROM SAN FRAN) :) | 09:18 |
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| Jay_BEE | safe travels | 09:26 |
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| * alterego is on coach to airport :) | 09:56 | |
| alterego | and still hung over. | 09:57 |
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| lolcat | Any news on the N9? | 10:53 |
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| alterego | N9 averted rapture comensing :P | 11:45 |
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| alterego | Holy cow, 1,111 posts in 3 days .. | 11:46 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 11:47 |
| alterego | At that rate it'll kill the android thread .. | 11:47 |
| RST38h | How many of these are from abill_uk? | 11:47 |
| alterego | Hah | 11:47 |
| alterego | How many of them are from people who only a week ago were saying they'd never get a Nokia again ... | 11:47 |
| RST38h | dunno | 11:49 |
| alterego | I'd say at leats 99% | 11:49 |
| RST38h | I surveyed the area this morning, most posts are from happy android/iphone users being "clever" | 11:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:49 |
| alterego | Are you at the conf? | 11:50 |
| RST38h | nope | 11:50 |
| alterego | I'm stuck on a boiling coach to the air port. | 11:51 |
| alterego | The air con isn't working | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Will be over soon | 11:51 |
| alterego | But there is a really hot girl sitting right behind me stairing at the back of my head. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Is it a good thing or a bad thing? | 11:52 |
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| alterego | Not great, I'd rather be staring at the back of her head :) | 11:53 |
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| alterego | Threads like that are just ridiculous. | 11:57 |
| alterego | It's impossible to catch up | 11:57 |
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| alterego | I doubt there's anything too interesting in there either. | 11:58 |
| RST38h | If you have got a good chocolate bar, slowly show it above your seat back, do not turn! =) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | alterego: I checked a few more intelligent ones, it is the same shit | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Stops being interesting after you figure out all the 4-5 possible outcomes | 11:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:59 |
| alterego | Whoops, I accidentally skipped 20 odd pages | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | One amusing thing is how many people think that WP7 is a "completely new codebase". | 12:02 |
| alterego | Yeah | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Another amusement is how many of these lemmings still wonder if N9 is "Harmattan or Meego" | 12:03 |
| RST38h | I mean, wasn't there a clear announcement about this? | 12:03 |
| alterego | God, I've tried drumming that into their brains so many times. | 12:03 |
| robbiethe1st | It;s Harmattan with a Meego frontend, right..? | 12:03 |
| RST38h | brains? what brains? | 12:03 |
| alterego | And still, it seems like I'm fighting a battle that is impossible to win. | 12:03 |
| alterego | robbiethe1st: no | 12:03 |
| RST38h | A zombie would starve on tmo posters... | 12:04 |
| alterego | it's just f'ing Harmatten until Nokia says otherwise. | 12:04 |
| alterego | The whole MeeGo certification debacle is Nokia trying to keep face. | 12:04 |
| alterego | Great, no another girl to the right of me is throwing up. | 12:05 |
| alterego | now .. | 12:05 |
| robbiethe1st | It's just that I happen to know a former Nokia employee who told me that they apparently had Harmatten ready to go, then had to change some stuff for the MeeGo deal, and it's ended up being a whole mess of incompatible bits | 12:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course, some stuff may have happened in the last 5 months, but... | 12:05 |
| * alterego blames robbiethe1st for making my energy cause her to vomit. | 12:05 | |
| RST38h | alterego: Consider it a mental preparation for the security check at the airport | 12:06 |
| alterego | They're probably adding some meego apis, but it's still not meego | 12:06 |
| alterego | It's not a meego core. | 12:06 |
| alterego | It's not a meego handset | 12:06 |
| alterego | it's harmatten all the way through :P | 12:06 |
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| alterego | Luckily I can't hear the baby screaming because my music is so loud. | 12:07 |
| lolcat | Any news on N9? | 12:07 |
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| * RST38h does not understand the excitement about Meego switch | 12:08 | |
| RST38h | Maemo, Meego, Moblin, who cares? It has to be open/hackable enough and provide a decent user experience. | 12:08 |
| alterego | RST38h: exactly | 12:09 |
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| alterego | I do a lot of stuff with MeeGo at the moment and I'm pretty happy about how it's coming together, problem is, no one has taken the initiative and actually shown us what a real meego device (handset) looks like. | 12:10 |
| slonopotamus_ | RST38h: and, actually, i don't understand what was bad with maemo so that it was abandoned in favor of meego | 12:10 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: Same here | 12:11 |
| alterego | Well, maemo is better really | 12:12 |
| RST38h | slono: finally, the third choice: http://l-pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/014fkt5a.jpg | 12:12 |
| alterego | But for the sake of some eutopean vision Nokia and Intel want this universal platform. | 12:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | Shoulda stuck with Debian... | 12:12 |
| RST38h | alterego:I do suspect either company wanted something different from the deal, something for itself | 12:13 |
| alterego | Hopefully it'll be great for Linux, not so great for Maemo or us because it'll take ages before we have a system as stable and optimized as maemo. | 12:13 |
| slonopotamus_ | alterego: what universal platform? ain't there separate ui in meego for each device type? | 12:13 |
| RST38h | alterego: But it is too late to guess now. | 12:13 |
| alterego | slonopotamus_: seperate ux, same apis | 12:13 |
| RST38h | slono:anything below the UI is the same | 12:13 |
| RST38h | The UI choice is dictated by the use cases though | 12:13 |
| slonopotamus_ | alterego: ... how glib on meego is more universal than on maemo? | 12:14 |
| alterego | slonopotamus_: likewise for vendors, they can make their own UXs | 12:14 |
| slonopotamus_ | or libxml, or whatever "anything below the ui" | 12:14 |
| alterego | slonopotamus_: glib isn't an official api for meego (though it is there below apis that are) | 12:15 |
| alterego | slonopotamus_: your argument is basically what Nokia is arguing, I'm not going to agree or disagree. | 12:15 |
| alterego | It's a dead horse :) | 12:15 |
| RST38h | slono: Why are you concentrating your argument on GLib? There are way more APIs than just GLib | 12:16 |
| alterego | And nothing to do with me :) | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | slono: and yes, I am afraid alterego is right and it is a dead horse | 12:16 |
| RST38h | The more interesting question to ask would be why Intel suddenly switched from Debian to Fedora in Meego2? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Sorry, Moblin2 | 12:17 |
| slonopotamus_ | moblin2? | 12:17 |
| alterego | slonopotamus_: meegos mother | 12:17 |
| alterego | maemo being the father that left ;) | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Well, there was a Debian based Moblin1, then Fedora based Moblin2 that got renamed to Meego. | 12:17 |
| * slonopotamus_ thought there was only one moblin | 12:18 | |
| RST38h | alterego: Father that got eaten, spider-style | 12:18 |
| RST38h | slono: Oh, no. | 12:18 |
| alterego | :) | 12:19 |
| alterego | zehjotkah has now explicitly said Nokia have been planning on distributing N9/50s in sf | 12:20 |
| alterego | Interesting | 12:20 |
| alterego | I'm still somewhat skeptical. | 12:20 |
| alterego | If it true, I think I might give away one of my N900s to a needy cause, developer, maybe a competition. | 12:21 |
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| alterego | Or maybe a friend who's been eying mine up for ages :) | 12:22 |
| Jay_BEE | gn.... can't wait to get to the conference w00b w00b | 12:22 |
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| alterego | :) | 12:23 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: How're you doing? | 12:38 |
| * Jaffa is on the Heathrow Express | 12:38 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, you are heading for SF aren't you? | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I am | 12:39 |
| lcuk | awesome | 12:40 |
| Jaffa | Looking forward to it. Although I flew business class to the US last week, so 10 hrs in economy is suddenly unaopealing ;-) | 12:40 |
| Jaffa | s/unaop/unapp/ | 12:41 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Looking forward to it. Although I flew business class to the US last week, so 10 hrs in economy is suddenly unappealing ;-) | 12:41 |
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| Necc | robbiethe1st, accidently around here? | 13:37 |
| robbiethe1st | uh | 13:37 |
| Necc | if i re-format the optfs to ext3/ext4 i still can use backup made by backupmenu? or it stores the partition table too or such things witch may prevents this? | 13:38 |
| jacekowski | optfs is ext3 | 13:39 |
| Necc | ext2 | 13:39 |
| jacekowski | and formatting it will make your phone not bootable | 13:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Necc: You may have to go in and change the mount line so it can mount it as ext3/4, but otherwise there isn't any problem with /my/ application | 13:40 |
| Necc | backupmenu related files stored on rootfs and that´s what i need to restore the files | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm... | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | Necc: it will still make your phone not bootable | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, make sure you can access SSH mode before you do it | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | Necc: ext2 is hardcoded in couple scripts | 13:41 |
| robbiethe1st | you may have to go in and re-format the partition as ext2 if you don't get everything fixed. | 13:41 |
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| jacekowski | and ext3 will wear your flash much faster | 13:41 |
| jacekowski | and ext3 is slower on emmc | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo jacekowski robbiethe1st | 13:42 |
| Necc | ext2 collapsed 2 times in a row so far! | 13:44 |
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| jacekowski | Necc: then you have a hardware problem | 13:44 |
| Necc | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/console_out.txt | 13:45 |
| Necc | nah, i´m 99.9% sure it is a software issue | 13:46 |
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| Necc | as when it first happened i just simply restored a backup with backupmenu and didn formatted or something | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n99-mount: /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 even | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now how hard was this? | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw ext3 is backward compatible to ext2 | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e. you can mount an ext3 part as ext2 any time (given it umounted cleanly last time) | 13:48 |
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| Necc | it is a bit hard as i remember maemo completely re-generates /etc/fstab each reboot | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's your plan/problem? | 13:51 |
| Necc | my problem is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/console_out.txt | 13:51 |
| Gyjf | what would be the easiest way to share your 3g connection and act like a wifi access point on the n900? | 13:52 |
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| Gyjf | i have tried with airbase-ng and failed | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | Gyjf: it drains battery in like half an hour | 13:52 |
| Necc | there´s a dedicated app for that, called ¨mobile-hotspot¨ | 13:53 |
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| Necc | it requires titan´s kernel or something else then the built-in one | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: 1) your mmcblk0p2 is ext3, NOT ext2. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2) | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Warning! /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check. | 13:53 |
| Gyjf | Necc yes i looked at it but it says it can mess the kernel up | 13:53 |
| Necc | DocScrutinizer, fsck.ext3 and fsck.ext2 calls the same binary: e2fsck | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 13:54 |
| Necc | fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 -n -v outouts exactly the same. 100% the same | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you expect a live mounted fs to be "clean" in a e2fsck way? | 13:55 |
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| Necc | would be easier if i could ssh when it is not mounted (via backupmenu) but i fail at setting up USB-networking under windows | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | your only option: use bootmenu to run a fsck on the non-mounted partition | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr backupmenu | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if backupmenu builtin fsck doesn't cut thru it, due to a suboptimal cmdline+parameters, pester robbiethe1st | 13:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Or add -y to it yourself... | 13:58 |
| Necc | Gyjf, the kernel is read-only, it doesn´t messes up anything, i used it many times in the past | 13:59 |
| Gyjf | ok | 13:59 |
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| Necc | i added -y (replaced arguments to -y -v) by myself and i got that mess since then | 13:59 |
| Gyjf | will it work with the custom wireless bleading edge drivers for injection? | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | depends on who made the custom wireless drivers, in most cases it should work however. Though you cannot get wl1251 in proper AP mode, only IBSS/AdHoc | 14:06 |
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| Technomike | Hey guys | 14:08 |
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| Gyjf | any usb device should work with the n900 in hostmode right? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | basicaly yes | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | What he said. | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, mustn't eat too much power | 14:11 |
| Gyjf | then i just need to get a converter | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And it must have ARM drivers. | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Many wireless cards will eat too much power. | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not be too picky about timing etc | 14:11 |
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| Gyjf | but most usb wificards and keyboards? | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | most wireless things I've seen want 300mA | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | keyboards yes | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | wifi no | 14:12 |
| Necc | USB keyboards will work, most of them | 14:12 |
| Gyjf | :( | 14:12 |
| Necc | wifi however, not. Or you need huge luck | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You would need a teeny powered hub. | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wifi needs drivers, and usuallly a Y-cable or powered hub | 14:12 |
| Technomike | is extras-devel down? | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems there've been problems and reports/questions since ~15h | 14:13 |
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| Gyjf | extras-testing seems to be down for me | 14:13 |
| Technomike | yeah | 14:13 |
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| Technomike | it says the hash sum is wrong/doesn't match | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | usual weekend holiday ;-) | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky it's only an issue of some of the boxes, and occasionally load ballancing will route you to a working one | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you jump the stepstones thru DNS and dig/host, and use an IP directly | 14:16 |
| Technomike | must be. just started working now ;) | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 14:16 |
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| Gyjf | how about hdds then? they should be fine? | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | generally yes, as long as not too much power again | 14:17 |
| Gyjf | if its externaly powerd ones | 14:17 |
| Gyjf | 3.5" | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 H-E-N can deliver 200mA. Usual USB host does 500 | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3.5" - no dice usually | 14:17 |
| Gyjf | nice, unlimited space for the phone :) | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | but those quite frequently come with a dedicated powersupply anyway | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: 3.5" needs way too much power on spinup | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for N900 | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some of them don't even work with standard USB hosts of laptops | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you definitely need a powered hub or dedicated wallwart PSU | 14:20 |
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| Gyjf | i mean ones with their own power | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, you already anticipated that >> <Gyjf> if its externaly powerd ones | 14:22 |
| cehteh | slapping an 4TB disk on the back of the phone? :) | 14:22 |
| Gyjf | heh | 14:23 |
| Gyjf | nah just 2tb atm | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not :-D | 14:23 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: can one enable hostmode and charging the same time (yes thats in no way standard conforming) | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | liskeys hostmode | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~liskeys hostmode | 14:24 |
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| cehteh | :P | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys hostmode | 14:24 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'hostmode' by key (3): hostmode-powered ;; hostmode ;; hostmode #DEL#. | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 14:24 |
| cehteh | thanks for the ~answer :P | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 14:24 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging is see hostmode-powered | 14:25 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 14:25 |
| infobot | it has been said that hostmode-charging is see hostmode-powered | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget hostmode-charging | 14:26 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot hostmode-charging | 14:26 |
| * cehteh imagines a n900 dock ... disk, network, charging, usbhub with keyboard and TV out to a monitor haha | 14:26 | |
| Gyjf | ok, have anyone goten mumble to work propperly? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 14:27 |
| infobot | well, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: well, I'm thinking about the same basically | 14:29 |
| cehteh | there was this hack which does framebuffer over usb to displayport .. but i think that stretches the limits a bit :) | 14:31 |
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| cehteh | while tvout is crap but welll | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ping | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: indeed, to both | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, you should - iirc - talk to javispedro about the USB-fb thing | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it kinda worked for him | 14:44 |
| Macer | OK | 14:44 |
| cehteh | yes i know .. but i dont really need it | 14:44 |
| Macer | so where can i find instructions on installing the sdk in natty? | 14:44 |
| Macer | :) | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 14:44 |
| cehteh | getting some reasonable higher res out without degrading performance would be nice | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget it | 14:45 |
| cehteh | but in either way this cant work well .. usb is to slow, ram is too low | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: nfc. You searched the wiki? | 14:45 |
| Macer | i'm looking now | 14:46 |
| cehteh | xvnc works ok ... but i guess thats the best you can get, while it needs a computer on the other side | 14:46 |
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| cehteh | no direct monitor | 14:46 |
| Macer | so do i use the fremantle sdk? | 14:46 |
| Macer | i lose track of these names | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 14:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Gyif: Yea, mumble works excellently last I tried it | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're using fremantle OS | 14:47 |
| Macer | maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py | 14:47 |
| Macer | python script to install it huh? :) | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI installer sucsk | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | sucks* | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, sounds like nice pain | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: listen to MohammadAG - he knows his stuff | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | well, you can't resume for one | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | and the packages aren't small | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | a resume option is usually handy | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | the packages are 915MBs | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: just talk him thru a std install | 14:49 |
| Macer | using sdk on x86_64 is not supported but you can install it anyways | 14:49 |
| Macer | so does that mean it doesn't work or that it is simply unsupported? | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | Linux mohammad-i5laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | does that answer your question? :P | 14:49 |
| Macer | thanks | 14:49 |
| Macer | :) | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: first thing: you need LOTS of free disk space, usually on / | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | add vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0 to /etc/sysctrl.conf | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | err, sysctl.conf | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | then sudo sysctl -p | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | then just follow this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 14:51 |
| Macer | ok. it's installing | 14:51 |
| Macer | i have 62GB free | 14:51 |
| Macer | that isn't enough to install this? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is :-) | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | (\n are actually newlines, just cut them off for IRC) | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | will only need 15% of this | 14:52 |
| Macer | that's on this one tho.. if push comes to shove i can always just use my nfs | 14:52 |
| Macer | can't be too bad over gbit | 14:52 |
| Macer | so i'm guessing all this downloading is going to take a while.. so is it just like using the n900 except you have building tools? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 14:53 |
| Macer | i need a pkg building 101 class.. going to start with these damn foomatic filters | 14:53 |
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| Macer | and maybe work on building an abiword that can print | 14:53 |
| Macer | if that doesn't require mad dev skills :) | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 14:54 |
| Macer | this is a weaker box.. i should have put this on the quad core | 14:54 |
| Macer | does scratchbox thread well? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin scratchbox needs quite some skills, esp if you're used to use a *decent* unix environment, and not this crippled chroot shell | 14:54 |
| Macer | heh | 14:55 |
| Macer | so realistically.. can i build an entire maemo from this? similar to the base and flash it to my phone? | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | 2GBs are enough | 14:56 |
| Macer | after testing everything out in xeyphr? | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox is basically a stripped maemo | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | lacks camera, phone app, ovi maps, etc | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen Venemo | 14:57 |
| infobot | venemo <~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 14h 46m 23s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, you could easily make it happen'. | 14:57 |
| Macer | ah ok | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: basically you have a chroot environment that has bare minimum, in SB. So you probably want to edit/whatever using sth like 'myeditor /scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/starhash-enabler.foo' then change to the xterm with SD and kick off a compile/build run | 14:58 |
| Macer | is that where it stores by default? /scratchbox? | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:59 |
| Macer | ok. | 15:00 |
| Macer | well once it is done with its 2 hr install i will tinker | 15:00 |
| Macer | get the foomatic src and track deps down | 15:00 |
| Macer | then nag you guys to teach me how to pkg it hahaha | 15:00 |
| Macer | maybe start my macer abomination repo | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> du -s /scratchbox/ | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4378204 /scratchbox/ | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, that's with kernel | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can edit in scratchbox's shell | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | suuuuuure | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it got vi | 15:02 |
| * MohammadAG has a /Scratchyhome symlink though | 15:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | good plan | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: also BEWARE as SB does some tricky bindmounts. Never do a poorly thought rm -rf /scratchbox/foo/bar - MohammadAG killed his whole system like that | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG | worse, my 100km-away-from-where-I-was server | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG | a reboot should fix it, but `reboot` won't work without /dev | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | or /tmp | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | or /sysfs... | 15:05 |
| licensed | hey how can i get root on terminal? | 15:05 |
| licensed | i didn't know password =( | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | type >>root<< | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is no password | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to install rootsh pkg first | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (if all this is about maemo :-D ) | 15:06 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, hehehehe yes.. i would like to install nitdroid-installer pkg.. but i need root to do this | 15:07 |
| licensed | and to get root i need a pkg? how can i install a package without root? sorry i'm noob on maemo | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know you're about to fsckup your system? | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nitdroid is *BAD* | 15:07 |
| licensed | i love android =( | 15:08 |
| licensed | i would like to try nitdroid =P | 15:08 |
| licensed | what is fsckup? i'm sorry it's my first time on maemo | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | never uninstalls, you need a reflash to get rid of it. But to compensate that, it borks your maemo every other week | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | s=u | 15:08 |
| mer_ge | is firefox mobile 5 (beta) available for maemo ? | 15:09 |
| licensed | my friend uninstall android with software update on OVI.. back to factory defaults | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | if I'm not here when Venemo's on | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's basically a full flash I guess | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | tell him he shouldn't include ALL of QtCore :/ | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell licensed about flashing | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: /msgserv help | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lots of users miss memos | 15:11 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, yeah, he did this | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, *sigh* | 15:11 |
| Macer | newgrp: group 'sbox' does not exist | 15:11 |
| Macer | V [07:03:42 21.05.2011]: Failed to install SDK | 15:11 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Does anybody know if a Qt window can be manipulated to appear above the task manager. I am trying to work around the lock screen to make it customisable. | 15:11 |
| Macer | awesome | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | licensed: if you're not afraid to lose all your nicely configured wallpapers, apps, etc then go ahead with friggin nitdroid. If you're not a poor man though, I suggest you go for a used moto milestone and try proper andriod there | 15:12 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, i bought my n900 yesterday.. have nothing =D | 15:12 |
| licensed | and i'm sorry my poor english =x | 15:12 |
| licensed | my n900 it's empty =D it's new | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | best time to try, and get fed up and done with, nitdridiot | 15:13 |
| Macer | well... hopefully manually creating the group won't cause that again | 15:13 |
| Macer | ugh :) | 15:13 |
| Macer | i should have done this remotely from my n900 | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: your english is good enough. Anyway see /topic | 15:14 |
| Macer | so i don't have to sit here and watch this | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | Today is going to be a long day. | 15:14 |
| licensed | i already saw.. i'm there right now =D thank you man | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | GreatGonzo_, see MediaBar | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | however, the task manager will always gain focus | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | Qt::X11BypassWindowManagerHint set this attribute | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: do I get it right you ignored MohammadAG's advice about NOT to use the installer-script as it will cause exactly that: abort @ 70% done, no resume, start over again | 15:17 |
| GreatGonzo_ | That's what I am doing but as you said it doesn't ork with the task manager. | 15:17 |
| Macer | oh | 15:17 |
| GreatGonzo_ | work not ork | 15:18 |
| Macer | didn't se that | 15:18 |
| Macer | it was more like 40 :) | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | macer in a week you're up to 70 ;-P | 15:18 |
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| Macer | hahahaha | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a download volume of 500GB :-P | 15:20 |
| Macer | i scrolled up and i don't see a warning | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: >>[2011-05-21 13:50:45] <MohammadAG> add vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0 to /etc/sysctrl.conf [...] ff | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: >>> [2011-05-21 13:48:32] <DocScrutinizer> Macer: listen to MohammadAG - he knows his stuff [2011-05-21 13:48:45] <MohammadAG> well, you can't resume for one | 15:22 |
| licensed | hey.. maemo is debian basead? pure linux.. coool | 15:23 |
| licensed | can i have idle (python interpreter) on maemo? | 15:23 |
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| Macer | ok | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is python on maemo | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost inevitably | 15:23 |
| billmania | licensed: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:24 |
| Macer | do i have to do anything special after editing sysctrl.conf? | 15:24 |
| Macer | like logout or reboot or some craziness? | 15:24 |
| licensed | cooooool!! | 15:25 |
| licensed | thank you | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe a reboot won't hurt, as it is changing some kernel parameters. Might be not needed, but for sure won't hurt | 15:25 |
| Macer | doh! ok :) brb | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: you seen the next line | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-21 13:51:08] <MohammadAG> then sudo sysctl -p | 15:26 |
| Necc | DocScrutinizer, as i said hour(s) ago, there´s no difference if i run fsck with robbiethe1st´s bakupmenu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/P1000138.JPG | 15:26 |
| Macer | oh | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | (sorry, sysctl noob here) | 15:27 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: what time is it where you are? | 15:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, you've evidently got a problem with your optfs | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 14:27 | 15:27 |
| Macer | ok.... | 15:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Try wiping it, then fsck | 15:27 |
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| robbiethe1st | You may need to put it into USB Mass Storage mode, connect to a Linux PC, and reformat the partition from there | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | then reflash anyway as whiping /opt will render it useless :-P | 15:28 |
| robbiethe1st | No; he'll be able to restore an image over the new filesystem then | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, indeed | 15:29 |
| robbiethe1st | and yes, BM works /without/ the OPtfs | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as he's using backupmenu for that | 15:29 |
| GreatGonzo_ | MohammadAG, is there a way to send a signal to the task manager to "hide"? | 15:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Or, yea... reflash, install BM, reload BM backup | 15:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Anyway, I'm off. | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: o/ | 15:30 |
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| MohammadAG | GreatGonzo_, no, but you can play around with X to do that | 15:30 |
| licensed | oh shit! i get a error trying install nitdroid :: formatting /dev/mmcb1k1p1 (vfat) FAILURE. Bailing out... anybody can help me? | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no help for nitdroid here :-) | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | wmctrl -k on | 15:31 |
| licensed | oh i'm sorry | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | #nitdroid | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join errrrr, #nitdroid ? | 15:31 |
| Necc | i´m trying to re-format it but i can not set up USB networking because no proper driver for win x64 -.- | 15:31 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, likes people here hates nitdroid, right? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic | 15:32 |
| licensed | LOOOL | 15:32 |
| GreatGonzo_ | MohammadAG, I was afraid I had to. X11 knowledge is minimal. | 15:32 |
| Macer | uhm | 15:32 |
| Macer | error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key | 15:33 |
| Macer | oh | 15:33 |
| Macer | read that wrong | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 15:34 |
| Macer | error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key | 15:34 |
| Macer | is he yanking my chain or something? :) | 15:35 |
| Macer | error: "nabi.vsyscall32" is an unknown key | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'm temped to say "google is your friend", but probably that's explained on the wikipage as well | 15:36 |
| Macer | no. the wiki only has one thing required for the sysctl.conf | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, two of the three keys should fail | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | s/should/will | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: btw \nabi isn't nabi, but <newline>abi | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: please reread your channel scrollup *carefully* and completely (for that few lines) | 15:38 |
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| Macer | i noticed that DocScrutinizer | 15:39 |
| Macer | i changed it and placed them on different lines | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo -e "vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0" | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, so as MohammadAG said, two of the 3 are expected to throw error | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui as long as one gets accepted, everything just fine | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | it depends on the kernel being used I guess | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo sysctl -p | error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key | abi.vsyscall32 = 0 | error: "kernel.vdso" is an unknown key | 15:41 |
| licensed | hey last thing... what the best 3d game on maemo? (to shows graphics powerfull) | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | same old bounce | 15:42 |
| Macer | none of them are :) | 15:42 |
| Macer | all 4 are invalid keys | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | nah, bounce is neat | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | they're only three keys... | 15:42 |
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| Macer | google directed me to a 4th in the threads | 15:43 |
| Macer | http://www.pastie.org/1937922 | 15:43 |
| Macer | am i missing something here? | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: there's been that free game that comes with maemo, maybe it's called bounce | 15:46 |
| licensed | i got.. thank you =D | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Bounce is awesome. | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a pity there were no more levels. | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real hype is angry birds though | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | no 3D but nonetheless | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | my personal favourite is numpty physics | 15:48 |
| Macer | oh.. i can do it with sysctl | 15:48 |
| Macer | well.. guess i should read this wiki :) thanks. i'll get it going | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I spent most hours on 'blocks' | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or closely tied with angry birds. | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm clearly spending all my time on xchat :-P | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - that's not really a game as such. | 15:50 |
| GreatGonzo_ | MohammadAG, btw sorry about the lack of progress on the OMP entertainmentview. I tried to get an answer re reparenting of components on the qml mailing list but there was only silence. | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ vivid community there | 15:50 |
| Macer | got it | 15:50 |
| Macer | :) | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | GreatGonzo_, no worries, I wouldn't expect a reply from Qt lists anyway :P | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nuke it!!! | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't be 2 days, rather 2 months ;-) | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply never makes it upstream | 15:53 |
| GreatGonzo_ | I could work in something like the lyrics widget but you have plans for that alread ;-) | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | monitoring mafw is actually pretty easy | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | your widget has better looks anyway :p | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, thought you were about to fix borked qt4.7.? | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | nah, OMP | 15:56 |
| GreatGonzo_ | That is saying something. I am normally all thumbs when it comes to design. | 15:56 |
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| MoonTiger | hi guys :) | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorta like parrots or chameleons | 16:02 |
| MoonTiger | i'm trying to get hold of that mobwebgmail thingy but having no luck | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi MoonTiger | 16:02 |
| MoonTiger | any idea where i can get it from? | 16:02 |
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| Macer | mobwebgmail thingy? | 16:03 |
| MoonTiger | the gmail app browser thing | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr, there's some sort of gmail-sync iirc | 16:03 |
| Macer | uhm | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: MoonTiger got his first N900 yesterday | 16:04 |
| Macer | MoonTiger: have no idea what you are talking about | 16:04 |
| MoonTiger | Crochik Mobwebmail | 16:04 |
| MoonTiger | its in the maemo talk forums and in ovi store | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah Mr Crochik | 16:05 |
| MoonTiger | but there is supposed to be a download avilable | 16:05 |
| MoonTiger | problem? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 16:05 |
| Necc | noob question, but not mkfs is the ¨format¨ under linux? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a known name | 16:05 |
| Macer | Necc: yes | 16:05 |
| MoonTiger | any idea where i can download the app? | 16:05 |
| Necc | ._. | 16:05 |
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| Necc | rob´s backupmenu doesn includes mkfs.ext3 ._. | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/ | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Necc: indeed, it's not supposed to format partitions | 16:07 |
| Macer | Necc: i just started using backupmenu today to backup.. dont think it formats | 16:07 |
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| MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, thnx ... very odd ... i tried that link an hour ago and it failed | 16:07 |
| MoonTiger | and yes i am a n900 beginner BUT i have had an n810 for years | 16:08 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 16:08 |
| Necc | ._. | 16:08 |
| Macer | it is the maemo equal of android recovery | 16:08 |
| Macer | but doesnt part/format the sd | 16:08 |
| Necc | i want to format /dev/mmcblk0p2 FFS! | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobwebmail/ | 16:08 |
| Macer | Necc: then do it from within maemo in xterm | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mail&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 16:08 |
| MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, yes i have a deb file now but it wasnt there earlier i swear :| | 16:08 |
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| Necc | /home/ or /opt/ is not formatable under maemo! (filesystem is in use) | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Necc: indeed | 16:09 |
| Macer | MoonTiger: i found the mail for exchange + imap for gmail works great | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's rather tricky to do, almost impossible | 16:09 |
| MoonTiger | ahhhhhhh cool ... when i connect usb in mass storage mode it is only the memory card that gets mounted :) | 16:10 |
| MoonTiger | macer ... really? | 16:10 |
| MoonTiger | can you decide what folders to subscribe to? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | eMMC and uSD, yes | 16:10 |
| Macer | yes. contacts and calendar sync | 16:10 |
| Necc | i want to mount up root, and run the mkfs.ext3 from there... but i has no idea what should be the root in /dev/ now (under bacupmenu´s /dev) | 16:10 |
| MoonTiger | oh wow i will try it | 16:10 |
| Macer | oh. dont think so :/ | 16:10 |
| MoonTiger | do i need to grab a package? | 16:10 |
| Macer | no | 16:10 |
| Macer | it is in settings | 16:11 |
| MoonTiger | i will try it | 16:11 |
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| MoonTiger | :) | 16:11 |
| Macer | mail doesnt work with it tho | 16:11 |
| Macer | you have to set up imap in a client | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: probably best practice is what robbiethe1st suggested: make a backup, reflash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu again and restore | 16:11 |
| MoonTiger | hmmmmmmm but calendar and contacts sounds good | 16:11 |
| Macer | but my contacts and calendar sync | 16:11 |
| MoonTiger | i have an android device too and my contacts are in my gmail acc | 16:11 |
| Macer | me too | 16:11 |
| Macer | i have a g2 | 16:11 |
| Macer | so it helps | 16:12 |
| MoonTiger | htc desire rooted and running oxygen :) | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: moment please (for mount rootfs) | 16:12 |
| Macer | especially the contacts | 16:12 |
| Macer | i dont really use the calendar much but got it going | 16:12 |
| Necc | reflashing with vanilla is not an option, i have custom partitions as i store the debian image (for easydebioan) inside optFS instead of the MyDocs | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) | 16:12 |
| MoonTiger | yah i dont have that many calendar items but its useful for flights and appts etc | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | man mount | 16:12 |
| Necc | thx | 16:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: SYN | 16:13 |
| Macer | the calendar has to be empty i think | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ACK | 16:13 |
| chem|st | SYN | 16:13 |
| Macer | and i set it to "device takes priority" | 16:13 |
| Macer | so far so good | 16:13 |
| MoonTiger | Macer, i'll try it out ... think i really have to get my mgcal applet running on the N900 | 16:13 |
| Macer | instructions are online somewhere | 16:14 |
| Macer | but like i said... mail doesnt work :( | 16:14 |
| Macer | it can receive but not send | 16:14 |
| Jartza | RST | 16:14 |
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| Macer | hangs when trying to send via exchange | 16:14 |
| MoonTiger | ok | 16:15 |
| Macer | so did the world end? | 16:15 |
| * Macer peeks outside | 16:15 | |
| Macer | waiting on these earthquakes all day yesterday | 16:16 |
| MoonTiger | oh and today i tried the bless camera thing ... wow ... the hdr mode really takes awesome pics :) | 16:16 |
| Macer | wait until next year.. all the cooks will come out of the woodwork | 16:16 |
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| Macer | i never understood bless | 16:16 |
| MoonTiger | takes awesome pictures | 16:17 |
| Macer | does the standard cam app not use the hardware well? | 16:17 |
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| Macer | i am curious as to how or why it takes better pics | 16:18 |
| Necc | blessn900 does series of images and makes a better quality one by some kind if software interpolation | 16:18 |
| Necc | *of | 16:18 |
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| Macer | ah ok | 16:18 |
| Necc | aaaaah | 16:19 |
| Necc | i? gona reinstall backupmenu 0.56 after this mess | 16:19 |
| Necc | using the lock screen doesn´t reboots my device... | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: yes - Elop got taken. | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: maemo is back on. | 16:23 |
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| Necc | maemo is back on? how? why? | 16:34 |
| Necc | because new device will be released soon? | 16:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | (02:15:50 PM) Macer: so did the world end? | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm not fully woken up today | 16:36 |
| Necc | same over here | 16:36 |
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| toresbe | world not ended here | 16:44 |
| toresbe | not quite 18:00 yet though | 16:45 |
| Necc | >.> | 16:45 |
| toresbe | I'll keep y'all posted. | 16:45 |
| Necc | what? | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dr Dre will go first. Can't have rapture without Rap. | 16:50 |
| amti | Hmm... I was downloading stuff via application manager, and then it interupted and now when syncing email with my exchange-account it says "storage full". gmail account works. any ideas how to fix that? | 16:52 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hopes he isn't forgetting anything. | 16:53 | |
| amti | well I'm not really used with working with linux.. | 16:54 |
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| amti | okay... weirdly after reboot apt-get autoclean fixed that. | 17:03 |
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| jacekowski | have you heard that if you go to random english wikipedia page | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | and then click first link on that page | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | and few next pages | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | you will always end up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy | 17:18 |
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| amti | well theorically if you have endless time and buch of monkeys, they will write some works of Shakespeare eventually. | 17:21 |
| Necc | all works of all writer | 17:22 |
| maybeWTF | does it have to be a certain kind of monkey | 17:22 |
| maybeWTF | or will any kind do? | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | any kind | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | amti: thing is that it's more than random | 17:23 |
| Necc | since it is endlesss time, it doesn matter | 17:23 |
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| maybeWTF | wouldn't it be faster if you got some monkeys that are better suited to handle writing equipment | 17:23 |
| amti | I would just go to library and pick one of the already written ones... | 17:24 |
| Necc | better to make acode witch sandomgenerates text, and push a lot TB capacity to store it | 17:24 |
| Necc | in theory, part of that random generated code will be actually shakespeare :| | 17:25 |
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| maybeWTF | wouldn't you infringe an awful lot of copyright since you give the monkeys endless time? | 17:26 |
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| amti | or would be monkeys do everything what is possible so if no one else owns that specific copyright, you would own everything? | 17:30 |
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| amti | so basically after "endless time" you would own copyright to everything possible because "you already startet working on it ages ago"? | 17:37 |
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| arvut | do you own a n900 and have a invisible shield on it? | 18:20 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, the airport. | 19:52 |
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| * GAN900 managed to avoid any "Opt out!" theatrics. | 19:52 | |
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| ShadowJK | oh wow | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | I saw a tv ad for a Nokia phone | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | C7 + 6 months spotify premium | 20:03 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what happened to Ovi^WNokia Music Unlimited | 20:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | It seems 'comes with music' won't die | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | That reminds me, I forgot to claim my free tracks for the n900. | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | ah it was CWM | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ timsamoff | 20:55 |
| GAN900 | timsamoff, make it through the TSA gauntlet OK? | 20:55 |
| timsamoff | TSA is my nemesis. | 20:55 |
| GAN900 | I just play it really friendly | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | Usually gets me through without any groping. | 20:56 |
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| timsamoff | Unfortunately, I have parts that make TSA buzz. | 20:57 |
| loft306 | e there taking your baggage off the plane to toss through it | 20:57 |
| loft306 | rofl | 20:57 |
| GAN900 | Ah, that'll make it fun. | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Playing friendly isn't worth it | 20:59 |
| RST38h | They do not give a damn about your friendliness | 21:00 |
| timsamoff | Search for the Twitter hashtag #preflightmassage . ;) | 21:00 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, usually works better than being an asshole. | 21:02 |
| GAN900 | The average TSA agent isn't a bad person. | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Being asshole also isn'tworth it | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Treating them as unsentient fixtures works though | 21:03 |
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| GAN900 | This is also more-or-less the South, people respond to friendly. ;) | 21:04 |
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| GAN900 | I had to break the winter clothes back out for SF. | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Ah, true. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | To a certain degree, anyway | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | New York they'll be lubing up their latex. | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | moo javispedro | 21:21 |
| javispedro | evening | 21:22 |
| javispedro | so, how's stuff, getting ready for conf? | 21:22 |
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| * javispedro reads /topic and wonders why nitdroid still uses multiboot... | 21:25 | |
| * GAN900 is now exactly as close to boarding as he was 20 minutes ago. | 21:25 | |
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| jacekowski | that's why if i have a choice between plane or train i'll go for train | 21:29 |
| loft306 | yepyep | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | Trains are for hippies. | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | you're saying it like it's something bad | 21:31 |
| loft306 | though the stinky amish are if enough complain relagated to there own car | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | Trains are currectly pointless for most potential routes in the US. | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | well, here i can go to big part of europe faster on train than on plane | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | Metropolitan density. | 21:32 |
| loft306 | wel/l you got a decent system that ppl iuse there | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | and stupid anti-travel regulations. | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | (abolish the TSA) | 21:32 |
| loft306 | the TSA feeling you up again? | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | if it would be my choice there would be no security at all | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | I avoided it. | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | Yes, I agree. | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | It's all theater. | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | It just hurts everybody economically (which is the whole point of terrorism operations). | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Not the beuraeuoeoereuruecrats of the TSA. | 21:38 |
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| GAN900 | It actually does hurt them | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Increased budget never hurts! | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't matter what you do with it - it's how you measure your success in government. | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | And how you get a good job at a lobbying firm after you leave. | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Won't you please think of all the poor high-priced-call-girls and cocaine! | 21:40 |
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| xd13 | anything official with meego on that phone ? | 21:51 |
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| GAN900 | Which phone? | 21:51 |
| xd13 | n9 | 21:51 |
| GAN900 | No, nothing official. | 21:51 |
| xd13 | damn | 21:51 |
| xd13 | i love my n900 | 21:51 |
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| xd13 | but shit need faster processor more ram | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that you can in principle double the amount of rAM, and bump the processor speed by 20%. | 21:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've not found somewhere that will source small quantities of the memories though. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - there are major issues with upgrade yields. | 21:53 |
| xd13 | they will almost def decrease flash space | 21:53 |
| xd13 | that 30gb on the n900 came out of nowhere | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash space is 100^ pountless | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 100% | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 32G now is a _lot_ cheaper than it was 2 years ago. | 21:54 |
| xd13 | true but i would easily trade off that much space for a faster processor and more ram | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough. | 21:54 |
| xd13 | i'm fine with my 16gb sd cartridge | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The ROM/RAM in the n900 case is soldered ontop of the chip. | 21:54 |
| xd13 | i prey for hdmi out but i don't think its going to happen | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | on top of the CPU | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | upgrading it to 512M/512M (and leaving the 32G RAM there would be a completely trivial mod. | 21:55 |
| xd13 | hehe prey 4 hdmi | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (for nokia) | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's literally a case of 'solder on a different chip'. | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | They are completeyl compatible. | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | nothing is compatible | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: ? | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | there are always some differences | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Compatible as in specced to work with the omap3530 | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | and doubling amount of ram means 2xmore transistors | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | lot of stuff can go wrong | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | power consumption may change | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's similar. | 21:58 |
| * SpeedEvil suspects jacekowski is just playing the devils avocado. | 21:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | In practice - you can't get these chips in singles. | 21:59 |
| xd13 | thats the other thing they better do right, battery on n900 was prolly its worst aspect, even though the scud battery is awesome | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | xd13: It depnds. | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm just saying that that kind of stuff is working on thin border between working and not working at all | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Battery life can be very good. | 22:00 |
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| jacekowski | and modification like that isn't just plug&play | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I get closing on 10 days in the truly minimal case. | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | you have to do loads of testing after that | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | (5 days practically) | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (truly minimal = suspend-RAM, modem off, wifi off | 22:01 |
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| xd13 | ya allow me to turn the wifi and internets off | 22:01 |
| xd13 | i don't mind waiting for a few seconds to connect online | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Practically, 5 days with ssh over wifi active once a minute. | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | If you bring up 3G, and do intermittent transfer over that, battery life drops into the toilet. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | More constant transfer, and teh toilet flushes. | 22:02 |
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| xd13 | hahah | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and those aren't numbers out anybody's arse, see SpeedEvil's incredible awesome power-consumption_hardware wikipage | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I went through 2 batteries yesterday. | 22:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Being out from 10AM to 6PM | 22:06 |
| xd13 | ya | 22:07 |
| xd13 | if you consistently use the phone battery is horrible | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought that as I had 2, I didn't really need to bother with power saving, so I left it on 3G, not force it to 2G | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair - 3G is pretty much inheerently a power hog. | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | inherently. | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~power | 22:09 |
| infobot | i heard power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power, or the derivative of energy with respect to time | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo power | 22:10 |
| infobot | #maemo power is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in fact infobot is right again, it *ought* be N900_Hardware_Energy_Consumption | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but as we all do it.. ;-D | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ummm, maybe it's just the "consumption" part that's a bit odd :-) | 22:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be energy if it was specified as over a constant period of time. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a power consumption if it's a power measurement | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is, in fact | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | all on that page is | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (a power measurement) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the correct German term translated would be "power intake" | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as opposed to power output | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or power yielding | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a lightbulb has 60W power intake, and an energy consumption of 3600J/s | 22:19 |
| cehteh | wouldnt "Energieumsatz" be the better word? :) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | an idle N900 has a power intake of 3.6mA * 4V = 14.4mW, and a energy consumption of 0.0144Wh/h | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: "Leistungsaufnahme" | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | a BP-5J - according to writing on it - holds an energy of 4.9Wh | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~4.9 / 0.0144 | 22:26 |
| infobot | 340.277777777778 | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hours standby | 22:26 |
| cehteh | unless trackerd starts up :P | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3600J/minute of course | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 3600 Ws / 60seconds | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 60Wh / h | 22:34 |
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| Necc | i need a little help: witch package uses /opt/qtm12/plugins directory? | 22:41 |
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| Arkenoi | ovi xmpp service just stopped working today | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | Forget Ovi | 22:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Necc, libqtm-12-multimedia | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | funny that I'm playing with that (and failing) right now | 22:57 |
| Necc | ty ty ty | 22:57 |
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| trumee | any merit in this, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012180#post1012180 ? | 23:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I hate undocumented shit. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Downloaded patch - but tl;dr | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | one hint "cgroup" | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | it probably fiddles with the priorities | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | Only so much you can do with that though, as main source of jitter is I/O starvation | 23:11 |
| Macer | alrighty | 23:11 |
| Macer | going line for line with this scratchbox install | 23:12 |
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| Macer | weeeeeeeee | 23:13 |
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| licensed | i have space problems when i try to install nitdroid my installer.log http://pastebin.ca/2066349 | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I saw the cgroup stuff, but I'd have to read on what it does | 23:20 |
| chx | licensed: topic | 23:20 |
| Macer | licensed: there is a #nitdroid | 23:21 |
| licensed | omg | 23:22 |
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| licensed | wrong channel i'm so sorry chx Macer | 23:22 |
| Macer | i'm still trying to install the sdk heh | 23:23 |
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| Macer | /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh has not been run! | 23:25 |
| Macer | ln: creating symbolic link `/scratchbox/users/mace/home/user': No such file or directory | 23:25 |
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| Macer | /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh has not been run! | 23:28 |
| Macer | wtf. there IS NO run_me_first.sh | 23:28 |
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| Macer | ok i'm lost | 23:30 |
| Macer | wtf | 23:30 |
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| Macer | i am trying to add a scratchbox user but get run_me_first has not been run but there isn't a /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh to run | 23:31 |
| Macer | anybody ? | 23:31 |
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| Macer | omg this is retarded | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't recall that script | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | or having to run it... | 23:40 |
| Macer | well.. i installed scratchbox from the maemo wiki | 23:40 |
| Macer | and tried to install the sdk | 23:41 |
| Macer | and i get an error saying user mace not scratchbox user... and to add the user | 23:41 |
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| Macer | and when i try to run thScratchbox installation found... yes | 23:43 |
| Macer | Scratchbox home directory... no | 23:43 |
| Macer | i downloaded the run_me_first.sh script from scratchbox.org | 23:43 |
| Macer | and ran it | 23:43 |
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| Macer | ugh... FINALLY | 23:44 |
| Macer | the sdk is installing now. what a pain. the scratchbox pkg for the sdk has GOT to be broken | 23:44 |
| Macer | but then again i am sure there is no further dev on the sdk | 23:45 |
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| Macer | WELL.. looks like this is going to take a while :) | 23:46 |
| Macer | omg wtf | 23:50 |
| Macer | installing this scratchbox shit is like pulling teeth | 23:50 |
| Macer | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of maemo-core-runtime: | 23:51 |
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