IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-05-16

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piggzachipa: ok, i was going to update to 1.2 anyway00:00
SpeedEvilmoo__: yes - that should be about what you should get.00:01
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SpeedEvilmoo__: In general - look at time in C4, rather than wakeups - at least in the first instance.00:01
DocScrutinizerqt-mobility, sensors, portrait - MUHAHAHAHAHAAAA00:03
moo__SpeedEvil: yeah00:03
moo__SpeedEvil: this is the longest I have evr seen00:03
moo__for some reason prior to flash I was getting >100000:03
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moo__now im gonna have to CHECK every peice that I install00:04
moo__to find the f***** that was causing all thos wkups00:05
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DocScrutinizermoo__: unplug charger, lsmod|grep bq200:07
moo__you are suggesting the bq module causes shitloads of WU?00:08
moo__because I have rmmod it and tested00:09
moo__loads of times00:09
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moo__sonovva bitch00:14
moo__pile of shite00:15
moo__causes an extra ~200 HW wakeups/second00:15
moo__kernel wakeups00:15
moo__interrupt 5600:15
moo__gp timers i believe00:15
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moo__well...extra profiles are over-rated anyway00:16
SpeedEvilReport it as a bug.00:17
moo__maemo seems totally fucked00:17
moo__there is complete fragmentation across all the repos00:17
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moo__yup, profilesx==gay00:23
moo__did anyone figure out how to convert a backupmenu style opt+rootfs archive into a flash bin yet?00:23
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kuzewthat would of been nice00:28
moo__DocScrutinizer: has quit?00:28
moo__SpeedEvil: so now I have apt-get purged profilesx, the WU wont go away00:29
moo__can you explain that?00:29
SpeedEvilI ave no clue.00:30
moo__SpeedEvil: is it possible to get rid of dsme?00:30
moo__i.e. turn of wd timers first00:31
SpeedEvilIn principle yes.00:31
moo__in practice?00:31
SpeedEvilIn practice, I question how much it'll help.00:31
SpeedEvilIn that it gets ~10 days of battery life offline.00:32
moo__you said before00:32
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SpeedEvilI gorget stuff.00:33
moo__SpeedEvil: have you installed the enhanced busybox package?00:33
SpeedEvilI see little or no point.00:33
SpeedEvilI have installed gnu tools though.00:33
moo__what is included in the gnu tools package?00:34
moo__I use the console a lot, is it wirth my investigation?00:34
SpeedEvilgnu find, ...00:34
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moo__SpeedEvil: do you use the BFS kernel?00:49
moo__for that matter does anyone here use BFS kernel?00:50
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moo__does hawaii hang out here?00:50
piggzachipa: i installed libqtm-12*, changed my qml to 'import QtMobility.sensors 1.2' and added the improt path in my main()...but it complains on startup that it cant find sensor 1.200:51
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SpeedEvilmoo__: no,00:56
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DocScrutinizermoo__: I sugest you stop posting for 300s after each line ending with a "?" or otherwise requiring any interaction. Your style is kinda spammy01:14
DocScrutinizerpushing out more questions in fast sequence will NOT result in more or better answers - the contrary is the case01:15
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Macerare there any maemo4 repos?03:11
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Maceroh... nm03:14
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djszapiN900has anybody tried to do an internet connection sharing from fremantle to the laptop without customized kernel ?04:32
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SpeedEvilbring USB-network connection up manually, and then use socks-proxy through ssh04:51
SpeedEvilOr just select 'pc-suite' mode when plugged in, and treat it as a normal USB modem04:51
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JZAhi how can I tether the n900 on Mandriva linux05:49
JZAI do get the usb N900 as well as an alternative port but none of the get's it05:50
SpeedEvilPlug it in, select 'pc suite' mode.05:52
SpeedEvilthen set it up as any other 3g modem05:52
JZASpeedEvil: great, I never set up a 3g modem05:53
SpeedEvilNo idea.05:53
JZAlike I said I found 2 interfaces05:53
JZAusb0 and another one05:53
SpeedEvilI did it last time with pppd, and /etc/05:53
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SpeedEvilGoogle to find out how to setup a 3g modem. It should appear as /dev/ttyACM0 I think.05:53
SpeedEvilThough the name may vary05:54
JZASpeedEvil: will do, thanks05:55
SpeedEvilSorry - no idea how to set it up 'normally' - I used pppd and /etc/pppd/peers/*05:57
JZAseems this might work
JZAwell I can try pppd05:58
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Macerwell... maemo4 ftw07:14
Macerback in the days where it was done right07:14
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DocScrutinizerMacer: (maemo4 ftw) for tethering modem to mandrax linux?08:57
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Dantonichey guys what's the cli command to turn to "phone mode" and to "tablet mode?"09:18
Dantonicis there one?09:20
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cehtehDantonic: the app which does this switch issues serveral dbus commands iirc, figure out with the source09:26
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cehteh(or dbus monitor)09:27
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Dantoniccehteh how do I monitor dbus?  do I have to install an app?09:42
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inzDantonic, with dbus-monitor, iirc included in stock image09:43
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Dantonicinz not sure do I just call dbus-monitor in terminal and then select tablet mode?09:45
inzDantonic, something like dbus-monitor --system type=method_call might do the trick09:47
inzDantonic, google gives you man page for more options09:47
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Dantonicinz I entered that command and it shows changes when I change from tablet to phone or viceversa... I'm just not sure that those are commands09:52
DantonicI'm not too savvy with linux09:52
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MacerDocScrutinizer: hahah10:14
Macerdamn. i just found it and it took a dive10:14
Maceri had it in my jacket pocket and it slid out.. slid down something... and smacked right into the ground10:14
Macerthe rails are a little messed up now  :-(10:14
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Macerand it got a little scratched.. not  the screen but the casing a bit10:15
DocScrutinizerare you talking about N8x0?10:15
Macerhad it been my htc and not a nokia it would have shattered into pieces10:15
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Maceri hate nokia a lot nowadays.. but they do make sturdy stuff10:16
* DocScrutinizer throws a few Freerunner pucks at Macer10:18
DocScrutinizerused to drop them 180cm to concrete, just for fun10:19
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Maceri like my n810 tho10:20
Macereven if it runs maemo410:20
DocScrutinizer(I probably wouldn't have done this if I hadn't built them and had to pay for each device)10:20
Macerit is the only device that doesnt run symbian that  works properly with my su8w10:20
Maceri might just go  ahead and get a new bt keyboard10:20
Macersomething that works properly with my g210:21
Macersince the n900 doesnt seem to like my su8w10:21
DocScrutinizerI actually wonder how hard it can be to get fremantle on N8x010:21
* DocScrutinizer sips his second coffee10:21
Macerprobably impossible and not worth it10:22
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Macerim debating getting the meego phone when  it comes out.. or if really10:22
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Maceri got the su8w for my n95 back in the symbian days10:23
Macerwhen symbian wasnt a bad os to have on a phone10:23
DocScrutinizer~wiki su8w10:23
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
Macer~wiki su-8w10:23
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
Macer~wiki nokia su-8w10:24
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
Macerah well10:24
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Dantonichey any of u familiar with dbus send commands?10:27
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Dantonictrying to figure out how to send a command to turn off cellular radio10:28
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DocScrutinizerphonecontrol wiki10:31
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cehtehDantonic: didnt dbus-monitor yield anything useable?10:35
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Dantoniccehteh it yields information of what's going on, just trying to figure out how to turn it into a command10:38
Macerhm. looks like i found an actual android bt kb10:39
Dantoniclike this10:39
cehtehDantonic: dbus-send10:39
Dantonicsignal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=6787 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=cellular_system_state_change10:39
Dantonicbyte 010:39
Macerwow. if i find a damn cups app and an office suite that  does od then im in business10:39
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Dantonicso I need to change that setting to byte 0 for it to be turned off10:40
Dantonicbyte 1 is 2G10:40
Dantonicbyte 2 is 3g10:40
Dantonicbut idk how to turn that into a command10:40
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* cehteh doesnt know the details, only the tools, i would have to figure out whats exactly going on too10:40
cehtehDantonic: another way would be to get the source of the tablet/phone switching app and make a commandline tool out of it10:41
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cehteha bit C hacking i assume :) (i dont even know if its implemented in C)10:41
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Dantonicya I'll probe around some more maybe I can find that code10:42
Dantonicthanks for your help10:43
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cehtehnot an app at all, just a config option for systemui10:48
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cehtehbut this can be easily turned into a dbus-send script10:48
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DocScrutinizerDantonic: you seen the link I gave you??10:50
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if he +q himself :-/10:51
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DocScrutinizerreally, no more spoon feeding available here10:52
DocScrutinizereven the URL was exactly to the point10:53
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Dantonicthanks I saved those links, I'll check them out in the morning11:23
Dantonicty very much11:23
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* RST38h moos for the moorning11:32
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DocScrutinizercehteh: why do you suggest some xml code when somebody is asking a simple dbus-send cmd question? Something missing that I missed to notice, on phone_control?11:37
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eichihello ;) on n900 maemo. how do you do contacts like doctor? just first name "doctor <firstname> and on lasname the lastname?11:42
DocScrutinizerbtw what dantonic pasted here was a dbus-SIGNAL, which usually isn't worth anything for giving commands. Signals are 1 to many broadcasts without response, easy to tell by "signal" and "dest=(null destination)11:42
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DocScrutinizer >>dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/phone/SSC boolean:true<<11:44
DocScrutinizersoory folks, grumpy mood today11:46
DocScrutinizereichi: good question. I'm still without any decent standard for that11:47
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DocScrutinizereichi: luckily (at least pr1.3) contacts search does instring matches just fine, at least for first- and last-name11:49
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chem|steichi: what are you trying to achieve?11:51
DocScrutinizerso <firstname>Dentist</firstname> <lastname>Smith, Dr.</lastname> is found by searchstr "dr"11:51
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chem|stDr. Samuel Jackson11:51
trxcan be found like Dr S too i think11:51
DocScrutinizerdunno if <company> is searched as well11:51
chem|stI sort by surname and put anything sorting by in front of it11:52
DocScrutinizeralas number at least is NOT searchable (a PITA sometimes)11:52
chem|stin your case <lastname>doctor who</lastname>11:54
chem|stso you get in portrait mode all doctor sorted in "D"11:54
DocScrutinizeras there are no sub-addrbooks, I even got entries like <lastname>ttt query account</lastname> <number>*103#</number>, where ttt stands for "technical&admin"11:55
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DocScrutinizerI'll find it nicely listed among other ttt, when looking at "t" in sort order, but also can search for "balance"11:56
chem|stcompany abreviations I use like DocScrutinizer uses his "ttt"11:56
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eichiDocScrutinizer okay thanks. but fact is, dr. or dr. dent. should be in the NAME ;)11:56
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: I'll find it nicely listed among other ttt, when looking at "t" in sort order, but also can search for "account"11:56
chem|stDocScrutinizer: just put balance as firstname so you find both^^ as you get irritated by writing it here already!11:57
DocScrutinizerwell, there's fieldname "profession" and "company", but no "title"11:58
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chem|stmmh lmc if it searches for it11:58
DocScrutinizerchem|st: actually it's been a beautified makeup11:59
chem|stnope it only searches for names11:59
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DocScrutinizeractually it's firstname Konto, lastname ttt11:59
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DocScrutinizerand the missing search in "comment" field is a real major flaw and PITA12:00
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DocScrutinizerthe whole contact app is so plain vanilla without any advanced functions, it could only get better when opening up the source12:01
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eichihm, and adress should be work with maemo mappers ;) i dont like the avi maps thing12:03
chem|stat least some functionality is available12:03
chem|steichi: you can script that your own12:03
eichiokay. is this python somewhere=12:03
DocScrutinizeryeah, like a nasty hack to get ringtone per contact into it, but only via app menu and not as a proper field in the contact12:04
chem|stidk but the location api does support all kind of extraction and conversion12:04
eichido you all use avi maps or maemo mappers?12:04
DocScrutinizers/avi/OVI/ ?12:04
eichiops, yes ;)12:05
chem|stmappero - columbus12:05
DocScrutinizermappero, marble12:05
chem|stonshore - offshore12:05
DocScrutinizerand yes, I'm missing the integration into contacts12:05
chem|stsome setup defaults file would be nice12:05
chem|stlike default browser default mplayer default maps-app etc12:06
eichioh, i should try marble too. only use it on desktop at the moment12:07
* DocScrutinizer wonders if there isn't such a thing already12:07
eichii just thought, marble would be very slow on n90012:08
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I don't know about changing the dbus calls12:08
DocScrutinizernach, it's quite nice12:08
eichik, i will give it a try12:08
DocScrutinizermight be related to mimetypes12:08
chem|ststreet address is a mimetype?12:09
DocScrutinizerprolly not12:09
chem|stits the dbuscall behind that button12:09
DocScrutinizergeo-coords might be though12:09
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DocScrutinizerand afaik geo-coords is what contacts stores to a contact, to refer to map12:10
chem|stthe location api is bound to ovi-maps afair12:10
DocScrutinizerchem|st: well, there are dbus policies ;-)12:11
chem|stno the address is stored in plain text and gets geo-coords via a dbus call12:11
DocScrutinizerforbid contacts to talk to location, and use dbus-scripting to fire up whatever you want instead12:11
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: (stored plain text) right12:13
chem|stboth ways should be made available in some tools, a workaround would be a "mapstarter" as the contacts ar readable12:13
chem|stso you read from contacts and whatever the map-tool you like reads gets converted by a dbus call12:14
chem|stthe location api converts in both ways12:14
chem|stfrom coords to streetaddress and the other way round12:14
chem|stafair "show" starts the ovi-map12:15
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* DocScrutinizer wonders where he seen the 'geo address' added as tuple of coords to the contact. Must've been winmoob612:17
chem|stShowPlaceGeo on interface
DocScrutinizeraka route6612:18
chem|stif you know how to change MapProvider12:18
DocScrutinizernavigation. is evidently OVI maps app12:18
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DocScrutinizeryou can try via .desktop edit12:19
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DocScrutinizernot *exactly* mimetype, but close12:19
chem|stwell we want to change the behaviour of the contacts address button right?12:19
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DocScrutinizerless nokia-maps.desktop12:22
DocScrutinizerchem|st: thought we want to change the semantics/behaviour of a certain dbus message12:23
chem|stdoes it call from anywhere else than contacts?12:24
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DocScrutinizerchem|st:  gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A10 '/apps/osso/navigation'12:29
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DocScrutinizerchem|st:  gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A4 '/apps/osso/navigation'12:31
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chem|stthats the converters12:33
chem|stif we get another "service" it might work12:34
chem|stso replacing the location service with one more "configurable"12:34
DocScrutinizerwell, messing up one gconf key and checking if opening ovimaps from contacts still works, that's simple enough12:35
DocScrutinizernot for me ATM though, rather exhausted12:36
chem|stare you ill?12:36
DocScrutinizerdon't feel like messing with maemo system settings right now12:37
chem|stlooking backwards in the irc history... it is again us two...12:37
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hajSpeedEvil: did you try this?
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Necchow i can fix broken inode table when that goodamn crappy /home is mounted and no way to umount it?12:56
ruskieuse a rescue kernel12:57
ruskieiirc meego has something like that12:57
robbiethe1stBackupmenu'd do it, IIRC12:58
Neccrobbiethe1st your backupmenu fails12:58
robbiethe1stSo connect it to a PC, login via terminal, and run the command yourself?12:59
Neccit says (translated) sorry i can't fix it. error code: 412:59
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robbiethe1stThat'll be because FSCK won't fix it without user input, because it could destroy your data instead of fixing it13:00
Neccsec, i copy&paste the full error code13:00
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Neccusb networking also doesn't works13:00
robbiethe1stUh, what?13:00
robbiethe1stwhy not?13:00
Neccif i would have any idea, i would know... but shortly: does it works under windows?13:00
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robbiethe1stHave you configured your host PC properly?13:00
robbiethe1stUh, it should... but it'd need some configuration.13:01
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Neccaaah damn headache...13:01
Neccthere's no network device for it so nothing to configure.13:01
robbiethe1stI'd just boot your PC into a Linux LiveCD, then follow the Linux instructions13:01
Necc(under windows)13:01
Necclinux fails to load13:02
Neccit crashes right after login13:02
robbiethe1stUh... Ubuntu LiveCD?13:02
robbiethe1stWhjat version?13:02
Neccuhm... 9.x :D13:02
robbiethe1stGrab 10.1013:03
robbiethe1stEither that, or go in and edit Backupmenu to do what you want: Just edit /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item (it's a shell script)13:03
robbiethe1stsearch for fsck and add the options you want13:03
Neccbtw... fsck fails on directory structure13:05
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robbiethe1stWell, erm... I'm not sure what I can say13:05
Neccwhen i tried to fix it when optFS was mounted, i killed everything (-> backupmenu -> restore -> happy)13:05
Neccbut it happened again -.-13:06
robbiethe1sttry the following: go into backupmenu, and use the Extra functions -> Wipe optfs13:06
robbiethe1stthen run fsck, then restore13:06
robbiethe1stMight work13:06
Necci will see...13:07
robbiethe1stAlternately, go in and find the fsck line, and add "-y" to it.13:07
robbiethe1st#525 IIRC13:07
robbiethe1st(line #)13:07
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Necci'm so dumb that i just don't roll13:08
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Necclooking for the file while phone in backupmenu mode13:08
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robbiethe1st*sigh* Next version, yea, I'll add a format optfs section...13:09
Neccthat's not in extras already? (extras menu)13:09
robbiethe1stI can't get it into Extras until all dependancies are there I think...13:10
robbiethe1stand I have no clue how to actually /promote/ it either13:10
Neccin extras menu under backupmenu13:10
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robbiethe1stformat? no. It just wipes it(rm /opt -rf basically)13:10
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robbiethe1stfdisk may be loaded now, but unless you've got a serial console... no way to run it13:11
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Neccfsck -p -v $backup_optFS_part_loc 2> /tmp/fsckstatus13:13
Neccthis is that line right?13:13
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SpeedEvilhaj: yes - that did not fix.13:51
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hajSpeedEvil: mine has just now started just saying that all communication is disabled when I boot it.... going to try another SIM later today, if that doesn't help it'll go to service... just annoying... :/13:57
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SpeedEvilIt diddn't ever do communication disabled for me.13:58
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DocScrutinizer"communication disabled" sounds like post-boot flashing to me14:06
DocScrutinizerhaj: do you by any chance use the USA version of fiasco image?14:07
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DocScrutinizerwhen flashing the device14:07
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rdI just read the n900 spec on the German Nokia page: it says 280h standby time for GSM, 250h UMTS (3G). Does anybody get close to that?14:08
rdhow do you get that?14:08
rdWhat do you disable, switch-off?14:08
ruskieI get 4 days idle time14:09
ruskiewith auto disconnect, and switch to 2g when not in use14:09
DocScrutinizerleaving device alone, on a place with good 2G signal, locked to 2G, no app or crap running, no APN configured, no data14:09
jacekowskird: it's like with car fuel consumption figures14:09
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DocScrutinizerno autoconnectiong to any wlan or GPRS!14:10
ruskiebut 10 days... I don't think so...14:10
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rdhow do you switch to 2g?14:10
ruskieyou can select it someplace under settings iirc14:10
DocScrutinizererr, got some applet for that14:10
rdI think I can only choose between UMTS and GSM.14:10
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ruskiegsm == 2g14:11
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ruskiebut there is an app that will keep it 2g until you initiate a data connectiong14:11
rdisn't gsm==2g or 2.5g ?14:11
ruskiethen switch to 3.5/3g14:11
ruskieedge is 2.514:11
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DocScrutinizer2.5 is data, you won't see it as long as not connected to an APN14:11
edheldil2g is less secure, though14:11
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ruskieif you consider any phone network secure then you have other problems14:12
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chem|struskie: +114:12
DocScrutinizeroh yeah, almost as insecure as your DSL wires running to the exchange, way safer than WEP though14:12
edheldilLook at a GSM hacking defcon video :-P14:13
DocScrutinizerI almost *did* that video ;-P14:13
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rdHow much difference is between auto-disconnect and no APN configured?14:14
DocScrutinizera lot14:14
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rdIs there an Applet which allows you to quickly deconfigure and re-configure an APN?14:15
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psycho_oreosfAPN, but it doesn't do with the ones provided by your telco14:15
SpeedEvilWith APN configured, GSM connected, in a not very good posiiton on the floor, I get 5 days or so.14:15
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: fAPN, but it dealesn't do with the ones provided by your telco14:15
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psycho_oreoss/doesn't do/doesn't deal/14:16
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: fAPN, but it doesn't deal with the ones provided by your telco14:16
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SpeedEvilAnyone have experience with charges for nokia repairs if they fail to find anything wrong?14:16
rdSpeedEvil, what have you done to get such a long standby time?14:17
SpeedEvilrd: nothing14:17
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  ok :). How does having no apn configured makes difference against disconnected data?14:17
edheldil(just asking)14:17
SpeedEvilDon't install stuff that is active.14:17
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rddo you use auto-disconnect?14:18
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rdI install auto-disconnect and disable jabber....let me check where that brings me to.14:23
SpeedEviljabber or any active IM will kill battery.14:24
rdWhat is the minimum-traffic volume for a GPRS/connection??14:24
rdHmm....can I configure the interval in which emails are checked in an imap account?14:25
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rdHow? Inside modest, I did not find anything.14:28
rdI found it, thanks.14:29
rdNeeded to wait until if completed email check.14:29
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ruskie <-- hmm14:42
SpeedEvilWell - they've been trying to do that for ages.14:43
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jaskawell, i hadnt heard of ovi until someone mentioned it here14:44
ruskiethey are actually rebranding it to nokia ;)14:44
Maceri'm still a little sad inside my damn n810 took a damn dive14:45
Macerat least it isn't too damaged.. i wonder if i can find some new tracks for it14:45
jaskamy n810 hung and had to be rebooted :(14:46
jaskait barely had a year of uptime14:46
Macerdo they even have casings for it?14:46
Macerif i wanted to replace the exterior of it since it got scratched14:46
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ruskieprobably could find some third party stuff14:46
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Maceri just got my su8w hooked up to it :)14:47
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Macerto replace the parts is just as expensive as just buying a new one14:49
Macerisn't worth it just because it doesn't slide smoothly anymore heh14:49
Macernobody hasthe aliding assembly ins tock14:50
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MacerSpeedEvil: no  big deal.. i am ebaying a new used one for $5015:03
Macerno point in hunting down a slider assembly or parts that would make it a waste15:03
Macerplaces charge $30 for just the slider assembly.. the front and back got scratched pretty bad too and the kickstand is out of place.. so buying new parts for this old ass thing would be p ointless15:04
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Macerthe one thing that made me love the n810 was that my nokia bt keyboard worked with it out the box.. wtf happened with that option in maemo 5?15:04
Macerthen the devs were total pricks when it came to bugs15:05
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Maceri hope the whole lot of them got fired when ms took over the os15:05
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GNUtoo|laptopMacer, then you would have more bugs because it would be more proprietary15:13
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crashanddieGNUtoo|laptop, that's stupid.15:24
GNUtoo|laptopI think it's more a company policy issue15:25
GNUtoo|laptopif the company(nokia) don't care about bugs15:25
GNUtoo|laptopwhat could user do15:25
GNUtoo|laptopif they don't have the source15:25
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cityLightshi all15:27
cityLightscant find this obvius question15:27
cityLightsdoes maemo check the rootfs on boot using fsck?15:28
RST38hNokia finally gives Ovi brand a mercy bullet15:28
cityLightsin case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs?15:28
MohammadAGRST38h, seriously?15:28
MohammadAGcityLights, I doubt maemo even uses fsck by default15:29
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RST38hPeople at their Boston research center must be packing now15:29
cityLightsno more Ovi?15:29
cityLightsMohammadAG: hi there15:29
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cityLightswhat can I do to check the rootfs in case I lost power?15:30
cityLightslike taking the battary out15:30
MohammadAGRST38h, so it's Nokia App Store now?15:30
MohammadAGyou don't need to do anything15:31
cityLightsthanks mate15:32
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cityLightsdid you see the wazes version for N900?15:32
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cityLightsseem a guy in the forum made it available for us15:34
cityLightsin talk.maemo.org15:34
cityLightswish I knew QT like you and could help....15:34
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MohammadAGnope, haven't seen it15:36
RST38hMohammad: It is Nokia Services Application Store :)15:36
MohammadAGAnd if you want to learn Qt, you can15:36
RST38hMohammad: But I guess it will be Microsoft Live from now on15:36
cityLightsI need a reason to learn QT15:37
RST38hcityLights: The "I wish I knew computer programming so I could help" thing is really lame, avoid it.15:37
MohammadAGIndeed, I used to say that :p15:37
RST38hIf you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =)15:37
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merlin1991I whis I knew how to help so I could help15:37
merlin1991but what is waze?15:38
LynourecityLights: plenty of other ways to help, too.15:38
RST38hsome gps app15:38
MohammadAG<RST38h> If you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =)15:38
MohammadAGor learn how to help15:38
LynourecityLights: what can you do, what kinda stuff?15:38
MohammadAGQt is very easy15:39
MohammadAGQt taught me C++ and C, in a way15:39
RST38hLooks liek Waze is pretty useless outside of some parts of the US where developers live15:39
MohammadAGtbh, all map applications are useless for me15:40
RST38hMohammad: No .IL maps?15:40
RST38hI mean, NOT .IL maps at all???15:40
MohammadAGIsrael's maps are only available on iOS's google maps15:40
MohammadAGthe API doesn't show them15:40
merlin1991ouch, according to waze I live 3 blocks from my actually house (I did put in the address)15:41
merlin1991MohammadAG: o israel maps on openstreetmap?15:41
RST38hMohammad: Weird. Why?15:41
MohammadAGno idea, the API returns a white map15:42
cityLightsI am currently finishing up this:15:42
cityLightsan applet to quiet the phone when the calender sees I am in a meeting15:42
cityLightsthen when the meeting ends - return the profile to normal15:42
MohammadAGmerlin1991, no idea about that, but I doubt it15:42
RST38hShould I ask some giigkers?15:42
RST38hgooglers, sorry15:42
MohammadAGwould be helpful to know tbh15:42
MohammadAGonly and the official iPhone maps can show them15:42
Macerno su-8w layout in extkbd :(15:43
MohammadAGeven maps shown through Facebook for iOS return a white map15:43
cityLightsI made this run as a service15:43
cityLightsand added a UI to start/stop it15:43
cityLights, but I still need to finish it up15:43
cityLightshope to publish this soon15:43
Macerthis is like the twilight zone getting these damn keyboards to work15:43
Macersomeone should sell a phone with an included bt keyboard :)15:43
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chem|stMacer: there is15:43
cityLightsI am so happy maemo is debian based, as start-stop-service is very helpfull15:44
Macerchem|st: do you know how i can make my enter key work on this with the phone closed?15:44
chem|sttwo piece slider phone where you can detach the keyboard15:44
merlin1991MohammadAG: using mappero with openstreetmap as map backend gives me maps on israel15:44
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Macerhitting enter on the keyboard brings up the vkb when the phone is closed15:44
cityLightswaze = navigation with traffic updates, supplied from other users15:44
Macerit's driving me nuts.15:44
Macerdisabling it makes enter do nothing at all15:44
merlin1991MohammadAG: package name is maemo-mapper15:44
chem|stMacer: no idea15:45
merlin1991but you'll have to edit the settings, I think it uses google maps by default, but that's in the ui so easily done15:45
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RST38hMohammad: got the answer15:45
chem|stremap the key to KP_Enter15:45
MacerRST38h: where does it keep the layout?15:45
chem|stMacer: you are on a 810 right?15:45
LynourecityLights: the app sounds nice. Though it would backfire on me.15:46
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RST38hMohammad: The googler says they are restrcted by map data license15:46
MohammadAG<RST38h> WHO? was this the answer?15:46
LynourecityLights: Example: my meeting starts. The other person is not there yet. They call about delay/cancel.15:46
MohammadAGRST38h, oh15:46
RST38hMohammad: They simple do not have the license right to show this data through apps15:46
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MacerRST38h: RST38h there has to be two mappings15:46
Macerone for opened qwerty and one for closed15:46
RST38hMohammad: What about Ovi Maps data though? Is it any better?15:46
fluxlynoure, wouldn't you typically take out your phone if the person doesn't seem to be there, though15:47
MohammadAGRST38h, why Israel though?15:47
RST38hMacer: Ah, that15:47
Macerwould you happen to know what exactly i would have to edit in order to get it to work with it closed?15:47
RST38hMohammad: They are getting maps from different sources. The .IL ones were licensed this way15:47
chem|stMacer: I think it works with turned of vKB15:47
MacerRST38h: yes. with the kb opened it works fine15:47
infobotchem|st meant: Macer: I think it works with turned off vKB15:47
Macerchem|st: no. doesn't. tried to disable it15:47
RST38hMacer: Have to admit I no longer remember, been a while since I had to tweak it15:47
Macerif i disable it the enter key won't work at all15:47
Macerif the vkb is enabled the vkb opens when pressing enter15:48
chem|stsorry do not remember how that worked15:48
MohammadAGRST38h, nah, ovi's worse15:48
merlin1991MohammadAG: use mappero with openstreetmap :D15:48
merlin1991I just checked and it does give me maps for israel15:49
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Lynoureflux: not right away, I'm a patient person when it comes to others15:49
cityLightsLynoure: 1. nice handle 2. I can solve that issue15:49
Lynoureflux: also, some of my meetings are phone conferences15:49
cityLightsmy next app will solve that issue too15:49
fluxlynoure, ..even more so reason to take our your phone?-)15:49
Lynoure(or rather, scheduled phonecalls)15:49
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Lynoureflux: two separate issues. and just because I take it 'out' does not mean I make a call, sometimes I expect one.15:50
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cityLightsok, thanks MohammadAG , for the fsck advice15:50
fluxlynoure, in any case, putting the phone on vibration would perhaps address that problem15:50
cityLightsdid anyone saw this issue I am having:15:50
Lynoureflux: yes, probably :)15:51
cityLightswhen I open the N900 keyboard the screen dims and power is lost15:51
cityLightsthe N900 shuts down15:51
cityLightsthis happens when battry is half15:51
cityLightsis the battry dead? its a new one15:51
MacerRST38h: sucks searching tons of forums trying to find a solution15:51
Macerthere has to be an easy fix for this15:52
scoobertronI can't mount my n900 on my debian box.  dmesg shows it as recognising 2 disks -sdb and sdc- but no partitions.  the phone works fine and fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p1 comes in clean.  any ideas?15:52
Maceri bet it is a one liner15:52
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scoobertronoh, and fdisk can't see it either.15:54
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Macerugh. i will find this later15:54
RST38hMohammad: If you have a good scan of the Israeli map, it can be used for display15:54
RST38hMohammad: Inside Mappero at least15:54
Trewasscoobertron: there is no partition table, it mounts directly as /dev/sdx15:55
scoobertronTrewas: ok, now I feel like a fool.  thanks, it worked right away.15:57
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Necc14:28 cityLights • in case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs? -> only FAT filesystems needs such thing. In case of power faulire no files are corrupted, normally. However this is the 2-nd time when i suck with optFS, contains billions of errors and system goes slow like hell next day -.-16:05
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Neccif you want to use it, you can check manually by: fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0pX -n -v16:05
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Maceromg you would think this would be the easiest thing to find16:11
Macerbut evidently there aren't any clear cut instructions on how to remap the fucking key!16:12
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cityLightsNecc: one needs to umount before fsck16:18
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khertana n950 ?16:19
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khertan <- 0:1616:21
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SpeedEvilLooks fake.16:23
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khertanSpeedEvil: of course it s a movie :)16:33
khertanSpeedEvil: like in tron the n8 was looking fake :)16:33
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khertanand the ui is surely fake :)16:34
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djszapican I use the internet of my phone on my laptop/desktop with no customized kernel somehow ?17:02
djszapihi btw :)17:02
djszapiit was easily viable on Symbian, but it seems to be a bit harder action on fremantle and N900.17:03
WizzupTry Mobile Hotspot17:03
djszapithat requires custom kernel, actually.17:03
WizzupIt makes your phone a little hot, but it works. Otherwise try USB Networking17:03
Wizzupdjszapi: I thought you meant kernel on the laptop/desktop ;p17:04
merlin1991djszapi windows -> ovi suite17:04
SpeedEvildjszapi: you mean USB tethering?17:04
* Wizzup was assuming he used Linux17:04
djszapiWizzup: no, on the phone.17:04
merlin1991Linux -> use as modem17:04
SpeedEvilPlug in - select 'pc suite' - then configure it as a normal 3g modem17:04
djszapiWizzup, you are right, linux on the desktop/laptop.17:05
* Wizzup should call himself merlin199017:05
WizzupWell, it's my name plus birth year.17:05
djszapiSpeedEvil: how to configure ?17:05
djszapiI am just reading it:
merlin1991in my case it's only the birthyear :P17:06
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djszapimobile hotspot would be all kind of brilliand, if I had not to use this custom kernel...17:07
* Wizzup has no problems with power kernel17:07
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SpeedEvildjszapi: That's entirely a question about your distribution17:08
* merlin1991 remembers he still has to install power kernel after the last reflash17:08
SpeedEvildjszapi: you configure it exactly as you would a 3G modem dongle.17:08
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djszapiSpeedEvil: usb networking is a distribution independent thing17:08
djszapisame command everywhere I used it heretofore.17:09
merlin1991Ubuntu has it in the ui afaik17:09
djszapioh sure, ui solutions are different things, I meant the console way.17:10
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MacerSts helped me out.. got it working17:10
Macerit's working like a champ now .. typing from it now with the slider closed :)17:10
Maceri need to try out abiword17:11
djszapiWizzup: are you using this custom kernel with mobilehotspot ?17:12
WizzupIt's a pretty known kernel, kernel for power users17:13
Wizzups/kernel/custom &/17:13
infobotWizzup meant: It's a pretty known custom &, kernel for power users17:13
djszapiWizzup: how about that output ?17:13
* Wizzup doesn't know what you're trying to do atm17:14
djszapiinstall mobilehotspot17:14
djszapiand this package is a dependency17:14
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merlin1991The flasher version would be the normal way17:15
djszapi -> that is also an output, actually.17:15
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merlin1991while the img is for uboot17:16
djszapimy sources.list is empty somehow.17:16
merlin1991It's in sourses.lisdt.d/something17:17
merlin1991While something is the only file in that folder17:17
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* djszapi has no clue what is going on17:17
djszapiwhy cannot I install this mobilehotspot stuff ?17:18
WizzupTry installing the kernel for power users from the application manager17:18
* lardman is glad to hear Nokia are killing Ovi off17:18
edheldildoes it mean there won't be ovi shop anymore?17:19
lardmanthat's all I know17:19
djszapiWizzup: why17:20
djszapiconsole is just a fine interface.17:20
djszapiI would not like to use any gui, sorry.17:21
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djszapiit is a simple apt-get install whatever, anyway...17:21
WizzupIf you want to do it the hard way then don't ask silly questions :) IMO17:21
djszapisilly questions ?17:21
djszapihard way as in apt-get install whatever, huh ?17:22
WizzupWell it seems to be hard...17:22
merlin1991Apt-get install kernel-power-flasher17:22
Wizzupkernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel17:22
Wizzupapt-cache search power17:22
djszapinice to hear I am asking silly questions :(17:22
WizzupThey're not particularly silly, but they seem silly to me if you insist on doing it with the console17:23
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merlin1991~lart apt-worker17:24
* infobot flings poo at apt-worker17:24
infobot:), chem|st17:24
* djszapi fails to see how it is a silly question if someone would like to use a cli for solving issue because he prefers it.17:25
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djszapiI think it is arrogant to say it and not to respect it, actually.17:25
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chem|stdjszapi: console solves problems the time you know your way around on console17:25
djszapimerlin1991: sigterm after installing the power kernel:
djszapichem|st: yeah, I would like to know ofc.17:25
djszapiwhat is your point ?17:26
chem|stdjszapi: solving "issues" or "problems" when you don't know what the way is gives even "more" problems17:26
djszapiplease do not be tiring, if I would like to know how to solve it from cli, then that is my question, that is17:26
merlin1991Uh oh did you have uboot installed djszapi?17:27
djszapimerlin1991: indeed17:27
djszapiI use maemo, meego dual boot with uboot.17:27
djszapiwith this "run noloboot" command for maemo17:27
chem|stdjszapi: you don't learn your way around by doing things from a list of cli lines but from proper how-to's17:28
djszapitime to ignore you ;)17:28
chem|st~ignore djszapi17:28
* infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, djszapi!"17:28
djszapimerlin1991: so I should not use the flasher then ?17:29
merlin1991Iirc then flashing a kernel while having uboot ruins your boot17:30
djszapimmh, kernel-power-bootimg went fine17:30
djszapimerlin1991: still the same error while trying to install this mobilehotspot application.17:31
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merlin1991Docscrutinizer: was it uboot that broke kernel flashes?17:32
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merlin1991Djszapi did you read the error at the end?17:33
merlin1991Could not resolve host: (Could not contact DNS servers)17:33
djszapiyes, no idea what that means and how to solve it.17:33
djszapithat is why I am asking, really :)17:33
merlin1991And then: : Unable to fetch some archives17:33
merlin1991It fails todo a dns lookup for
djszapiapt-cache search wireless-tools17:34
djszapiwireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions17:34
merlin1991Djszapi apt is fine you connection isn't17:34
djszapiyes, but no idea why17:34
djszapinameserver -> from the /etc/resolv.conf17:35
merlin1991What does nslookup give you?17:35
djszapiAddress 1:
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djszapimerlin1991: nslookup: can't resolve ''17:37
merlin1991Can you even ping
merlin1991Because I did a dns lookup against it and it resolved fine17:38
djszapino, I cannot, actually.17:39
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merlin1991Wich should work anyway, I made it just to be sure :D17:39
merlin1991Well there's your problem17:39
merlin1991No connection to dns17:39
djszapithat is fairly odd...17:39
djszapino clue what is going on :o17:40
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djszapiany idea ?17:41
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merlin1991How's your n900 connected?17:42
djszapipc suite mode17:42
merlin1991No I mean the n900 <> internet connection17:43
djszapi can be solved, but not the, odd...17:43
djszapiactually com, not org, but still17:45
djszapiany idea17:49
WizzupYeah, repository was still cached. Your DNS no work17:50
djszapiyes, obviously, why not17:50
* Wizzup shrugs17:51
merlin1991Well I have no idea why you can't reach the dns17:52
merlin1991try another one?17:52
djszapianother what ?17:52
djszapiok, mobilehotspot is installed manually now.17:54
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djszapimh...just wep encryption...does not sound good...17:55
merlin1991Another dns server I meant17:55
djszapihow to do that ?17:55
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djszapianyway, no need for that really after the installation was fine manually.17:56
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djszapiI could start by using the button in the mobilehotspot application, but it cannot really be seen from the desktop/laptop, what do I do wrong ?18:05
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djszapior at least how to debug it, etc.18:08
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djszapior does this wep mean "wpa" in fact ?18:25
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djszapiI always get "WPA Authentication/Association Failed", anyway18:26
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djszapiit does not even work with open, odd stuff :)18:27
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chem|st <-- for consideration, just in general -->
chem|stdjszapi: ^^ thats for you18:34
djszapiwell, read them18:34
chem|stlistening to the backend should show whats wrong, there is no WPA or even WPA2... only WEP18:35
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djszapithat is too bad...18:38
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crashanddieOvi getting the boot18:44
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crashanddiethat's probably one of the only Elocalypse actions that I don't mind18:45
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ShadowJKoh, just the brand18:48
djszapimobilehotspot is not a working application here.18:48
djszapithis is too bad.18:48
djszapihow about the commercial tool, has anybody any experience about that ?18:48
ShadowJKOvi Music is the only musicstore that is actually usable for me, excluding piracy which aren't stores :P18:48
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DocScrutinizerdjszapi: mobile HS needs PK19:18
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djszapipardon ?19:19
djszapiso what ... ?19:19
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, did you watch eurovision?19:19
djszapiI could not install the tool without that really.19:19
DocScrutinizerso do you have PK installed?19:19
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: nah, I'm already depressed19:20
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, the german could've changed your mind19:21
djszapiDocScrutinizer: no idea what is going on really.19:21
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, she was kinda good looking last year, hot this year.19:21
djszapiDocScrutinizer: this tool seems to be very hard to use to me.19:21
DocScrutinizerI think she's a stupid bitch19:21
djszapinothing else I did then installing it.19:21
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, hey, I'm taking about her looks, not her brain19:21
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: really sorry I can't help, as I never gave MHS a shot19:22
djszapiDocScrutinizer: time to give :p19:23
djszapithere is a "business" reason for it ;)19:23
DocScrutinizerusually I resort to my friends ifconfig, route, and ping though19:23
djszapiit is odd really why it does not work. What bugs me is that, Symbian works like a charm, out-of-the-box.19:23
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: and there are couple of bugs in this small application, fex. if I type a wep password, it inserts X zeros at the end.19:26
slonopotamushow i downgrade from cssu to stock maemo?19:26
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* slonopotamus has the feeling that over time this channel gets less and less useful19:34
khertanslonopotamus:  sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R19:34
slonopotamuskhertan: that's too bruteforce. you could even suggest buying new n900 or going back in time.19:36
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slonopotamuskhertan: is there any normal apt-get way?19:36
khertanslonopotamus: it s not bruteforce it s the proper way !19:36
khertanthe apt way is hackish, unstable and will bring more problem19:36
slonopotamusno, it isn't. maemo has a package manager after all.19:37
khertanslonopotamus: even debian warn about downgrade using apt19:37
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slonopotamusgentoo gets +1 point again19:38
khertannone gentoo couldn't be considered as Stable19:38
khertanslonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr19:39
khertanslonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr19:40
slonopotamuskhertan: complains about unsatisfied deps, too new versions of packages installed19:40
khertanwhich package exactly ?19:40
* khertan will probably remove it too too much qt problem19:41
* khertan and for testing apps with old qt version :)19:41
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slonopotamusmodest, qt, several hildon packages19:41
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khertanexcept qt i didn 't have other problem19:42
khertanslonopotamus: so it s perfectly normal ... what s the problem ?19:43
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slonopotamusnothing depends on newer qt packages, why this thingie cannot simply uninstall them?19:44
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khertanslonopotamus: let me try19:44
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slonopotamusbtw, what does "selecting previously deselected package X" mean?19:45
* khertan currently downloading new version of qt19:45
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khertanslonopotamus: that it s selection deselected package19:45
slonopotamuswhat is a deselected package?19:46
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khertana package which hasn't been selected19:46
khertanor installed19:46
slonopotamusselected == installed?19:46
khertanThe following packages have unmet dependencies:19:47
khertansame problem here :)19:47
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wazdkhertan: Nokia N01 :P19:47
wazdLooks like iPhone 1  tho :)19:48
wazdAnyway I'd watch Real Steel just because of Evangeline Lilly19:51
slonopotamusaccording to google, downgrade should be doable via apt-get dist-upgrade, but it is broken on maemo, wants to pull in coreutils for some reason19:51
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Corsacdowngrade through dist-upgrade? I don't think so19:52
lcukwazd, I would agree too19:52
piggzhas anyone used qtmobility 1.2 in qml yet?19:52
slonopotamusedit: it wants to pull in debianutils that conflicts with busybox and wants to purge half of maemo :)19:52
slonopotamusCorsac: that doesn't change the fact that dist-upgrade is broken in maemo19:53
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slonopotamuskhertan: nice :)19:54
slonopotamussmth like that here19:54
slonopotamusat least, it will free 234mb :)19:54
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slonopotamusnow i see why debian had to invent epoch number19:55
Corsacslonopotamus: don't use it19:56
slonopotamusCorsac: debian? okay19:56
slonopotamusno, i should ask "what", not you19:57
slonopotamusCorsac: loop?19:57
Corsacyou don't make any sense19:57
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slonopotamusCorsac: practice that for several years already :)19:58
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slonopotamusokay, you said "don't use it". what "it"?19:58
Corsacthe “it” which is broken in maemo?19:59
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Darth_Rooti've got a problem20:01
Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic20:01
Darth_Rootan unexpected reboot happend20:01
Darth_Rootand whenever i try to load any easy debian app20:01
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Darth_Rooti got error, for example, while running apt=get20:02
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Darth_Root"error while loading shared library:"20:02
Darth_Rootwhat should i do?20:02
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: honestly I don't think there's any proper clean way to downgrade from cssu to stock, other than flashing COMBINED20:03
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DocScrutinizeror restoring a full image backup done by backupmenu20:03
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Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library:". what should i do?20:09
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Darth_Rootcould somebody help?20:10
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Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib20:15
Darth_Root any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem20:15
Darth_Rootas if no libs were seen20:15
Darth_Rootwhat should i do?20:16
khertanDocScrutinizer: indeed20:17
khertanthere is so many cross dependancies20:17
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DocScrutinizerbtw downgrading pr1.3->pr1.2 as well doesn't work. And apt-get dist-upgrade is notorious to break your system, even for upgrading20:19
khertanthere is a really easy solution20:21
khertanreinstalling all package with the previous version20:21
khertanand the easiest way is :20:21
khertanapt-get install aptitude20:21
khertanapt-get remove mp-fremantle-community-pr20:22
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khertanaptitude install mp-fremantle-generic-pr20:22
Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib20:23
Darth_Rootas if no libs were seen20:23
Darth_Root any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem20:23
Darth_Rootwhat should i do?20:23
DocScrutinizereven that is nonsense. What do you do with the arbitrary config file that got additional keys unknown to prior PR version? Downgrade KDE4->KDE3, enjoy! Downgrading has immanent issues that can't get fixed on a general basis20:23
piggzis the version of libqtm-12 in extras the latest?20:23
piggz(ie, final released)20:23
Darth_Rootwhat should i do with easy debian20:24
piggzversion string looks like ~tp1-0fn~fremantle1320:24
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piggzah, i guess its in the failed
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DocScrutinizerkhertan: you had to not only remove but also purge(?) all packages, and that's really silly as it will take hours and *at best* will result in a system you get via flashing in seconds20:26
Darth_Rootwhat should i do with easy debian20:27
DocScrutinizerthere simply is no such thing like downgrade, for a whole system. You can downgrade a single app, if you *completely* remove it - incl all config files, data and proj files etc - then nstall the lower version20:28
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Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib20:29
Darth_Rootwhat should i do with easy debian20:29
Darth_Root any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem20:29
DocScrutinizerif you do that for each pkg of a whole system, then you for sure are better off with a fresh install20:29
Darth_Rootas if no libs were seen20:29
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Darth_Rootis anybody familiar with easy debian here??!20:30
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khertanDocScrutinizer: in seconds not sure as it will take time to redownload applications package20:32
DocScrutinizerhm, granted20:32
DocScrutinizerrestore a backuped image, best you can do20:33
khertanDocScrutinizer: it s didn't take hours ... it s take 5 min20:33
DocScrutinizerbecause you didn't do it properly20:33
Darth_Rootwhat should i do with easy debian20:34
DocScrutinizersmoke it?20:34
Darth_Rootwhile installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib20:34
Darth_Rootas if no libs were seen20:34
Darth_Root any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem20:34
Darth_Rootany debian app, after all20:34
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* DocScrutinizer starts to squint up/down20:35
khertanDocScrutinizer: lol downgrade successful :)20:37
DocScrutinizerDarth_Root: avrg reply delay on this chan is from 5s...12h20:37
Darth_Rootsh*t.... i'm frustrated with that easy debian, which ain't easy :P20:37
DocScrutinizerkhertan: definitely not. You got no clean system20:37
khertanDocScrutinizer: are you sure ?20:38
DocScrutinizeryes, as you can't tell for sure which config files were altered by a new version in a way the old version blows chunks at20:38
DocScrutinizeremphasis on "for sure"20:38
khertanDocScrutinizer: which config does cssu change ?20:39
khertanit just add optional option in config file20:39
DocScrutinizerexcept you'd do a md5 hash across your whole storage and compare to a virgin PRn-1 system20:39
idontmy package seems to be stuck in the autobuilder, is there anyone in here who can help me with that?20:39
khertanDocScrutinizer: of course !20:39
khertanDocScrutinizer: hum i'm not talking about pr n-1 downgrade20:40
idontboth the armel and i386 build look finished (there are debs in the results/ folder), but the autobuilder hasn't completed the build process yet for some reason (it's 'building' for 1:15h+ now)20:40
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khertanbut pr1.3 community testing ssu to pr1.320:40
khertannot the same20:40
DocScrutinizersure the same20:40
khertannope ... look at the package20:41
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DocScrutinizerbtw since when we got a cssu-testing?? o.O20:41
khertanit s called testing ... but i ll more call that cssu-dev20:42
DocScrutinizermeh, ohmy20:42
DocScrutinizerthis should be "unstable"20:42
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DocScrutinizerwe only could declare that "testing" when all the hacking would've been done outside cssu, in some private space like it's been before cssu20:44
n900-dkWhich app is the best at the moment for voice navigation?20:44
DocScrutinizermatan's H-D been tested for several month, hosted on some random webpage, when it finally got into cssu20:44
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DocScrutinizernowadays bleeding edge crap goes directly into cssu before it even ran on >10 systems20:45
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khertanDocScrutinizer: the worst part i think is the qt version 4.7.2 which is the official qt one, but the raster engine have some crappy bug20:47
khertanDocScrutinizer: but some bug are fixed in this version ... and some new appears20:48
DocScrutinizeryeah, and it's evidently not been tested anywhere, prior to dumping that shitload to the enduser20:48
Darth_Rootok i found out what was the key to easy debian20:48
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DocScrutinizerdefinitely bold20:49
Darth_Rooti had to replace the .ext2.lzma and .ext2 with the original ones20:49
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Darth_Rootand now everything's allright20:49
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DocScrutinizerkhertan: when even the experienced hackers start to moan and swear and ask for a downgrade or alternatively please finally get a true testing based on the release 2 steps ago, then you know you are in severe trouble with your distro project. RST38h asks for a modest downgrade, everybody frowns and swears about qt4.7.2... - tell me how is cssu *ever* going to become the better alternative to a stock maemo5 that users know all the bugs it has20:58
DocScrutinizerand learned to live with them? CSSU is doomed if it continues that path20:58
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ShadowJKI used to be afraid of Nokia's software updates. CSSU makes those seem like non-events :)21:01
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DocScrutinizerthe aim of fixing bugs in stock fremantle got completely forgotten in favour of a featuritis that doesn't care about end users at all, neither about quality control21:05
DocScrutinizer(in cssu)21:05
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FrieTieps.. Do any of you guys know where the files queued for upload using the "share" service are stored?21:06
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E0xi think everything relate to the share framework at maemo 521:06
E0xis close source21:06
DocScrutinizernot really, I'd start searching in /var21:07
FrieTi looked inside /var for a few minutes already21:07
FrieTfind nor grep show up much21:07
FrieTnot in gconf eiter21:07
DocScrutinizerfind is your friend ;-)21:07
FrieTi know, but not in this case :p21:07
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FrieTi need to cancel one of those uploads, and the GUI just barks at me21:08
FrieTit shows the dialog and it immediately closes it21:08
DocScrutinizershare a file, look at clock, find for files changed/created at that time21:08
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FrieTyou are a genius /D21:08
DocScrutinizerheh, how could I know you already borked it?21:09
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FrieTi did not mean sarcasm21:09
FrieTi'll schedule a new file21:09
FrieTand check for most recently modified files21:09
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FrieTit makes sense21:09
FrieTi just figured it might be in the user dir21:10
FrieTand it is:D21:10
FrieThurray for me, and thanks DocScrutinizer;-)21:11
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FrieTi found this chan to be weird before.. people actually trying to help out..21:11
FrieTfreaky stuff21:11
FrieThmmm can any of you still use the facebook photo upload thing?21:14
FrieTthat and flickr freak out on me21:14
DocScrutinizernever used it21:14
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DocScrutinizerreminds me to ponder how long ovi share will work21:15
FrieTyeah trying that now21:15
FrieTwasn't that partly shut down already?21:15
DocScrutinizerheard some rumour today21:16
FrieThmh it just hangs21:16
FrieTprogress is "sending"21:16
FrieT0%. zip.21:16
FrieTbut an incoming phonecall ;D21:16
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FrieTmk share via service on ovi ain't working here21:19
FrieTditto for flickr21:19
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FrieTwhat did i bork21:21
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infobotsomebody said wfm was (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications..  Works For Me21:26
infoboti guess hah is everone's second favorte word (see bah, heh)21:27
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DocScrutinizermuhahaha, click on "HOME" upper left of a ovishare page. browser either explodes or spits a "recursive link!" at you21:30
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FrieTis that the thing signups have been closed for for ages?21:30
DocScrutinizerEs liegt eine auf sich selbst verweisende Verknüpfung vor   Adresse:
FrieTnice loop21:32
FrieTundercover apache benchmark?21:32
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DocScrutinizermasochism - when your server helps create the DoS attack21:32
FrieThmmm is there a way of exporting and importing all gconf entries?21:33
Venemoall of them? probably by copying and pasting gconf's data files21:33
FrieT--dump & --load ?21:34
FrieTthat's not what i'm looking for21:34
FrieTi think i'm lacking some entries21:34
FrieTi'd restore the old ones, and then reimport my current ones21:34
VenemoFrieT, I meant 'cp /usr/share/gconf.....'21:34
FrieTleaving the missing ones in place21:34
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FrieTthe builtin backup tool doesn't back up the full gconf tree does it?21:38
Wollihey, is it possible to add more touch-buttons to xterm?21:38
FrieT(i'm assuming that since that'd make this too easy...)21:38
FrieThmmm seems it just might do that21:41
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DocScrutinizer--dump and --load sound just fine21:44
DocScrutinizeralso restore isn't supposed to unset keys, as the backups might be partial21:45
FrieTthat's what i was counting on21:45
FrieTload not unsetting keys21:45
FrieTso i can overwrite and keep current settings while restoring the ones that are missing21:45
FrieTor just fail miserably and roll back to a month ago :<21:46
FrieTdoes anyone here still have omweather working properly?21:48
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FrieTit broke down for me a month or 2 ago21:48
FrieTsaying it can't fetch updates21:48
Sicelo_thanks madalu :)21:52
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DocScrutinizeralas it seems impossible to add qualifier keys like AltGr21:57
FrieTanyone else here having trouble running the power kernel? A few releases ago worked just fine for me21:59
FrieTnow all i get is ext3 corruption22:00
FrieTstock kernel does no such thing, and i'm not over/down/* clocking22:00
FrieTor volting22:00
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Jef91My n900 is telling me there is a maemo update - is that from nokia or the community SSU I added?22:03
FrieTwhen you see a microsoft update, it's nokia.22:04
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Jef91FrieT its also telling me I need to plug it into my computer to update it - does that mean there is an SSU image somewhere I need to download and flash?22:08
FrieThuh? you sur it's not telling you to plug in a charger?22:08
FrieTthat's what it usually tells me.. "not enough battery to update", yadayada22:09
Jef91oh good call22:10
Jef91let me try that...22:10
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FrieTkay guys i should be going.. thanks!22:11
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SpeedEvilCan someone PM me something?22:59
SpeedEvilthanks all.23:01
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merlin1991SpeedEvil: how many pms did you get? :D23:09
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RST38hThe company is showing off a range of LCDs for cellphones that top out at an almost imperceptibly fine 367ppi on its 4-inch HD (720 x 1280) model. (Toshiba)23:16
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Macergoing to see if tablet-encode really works23:27
Macerhaha.. the damn mp4 is bigger than the avi :)23:27
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Jef91Anyone know how I can use the power kernel with the multi boot menu?23:46
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Jef91just got there merlin1991 thanks :)23:55
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Jef91googling as I post the questions here23:55
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Jef91getting "can't flash kernel, required files not found"23:59

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