IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-05-15

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rtylerany of you fine chaps know what packages I would need to install on my laptop to use mobile hotspot properly? I can pull an IP but I can't seem to get a route autoconfigured02:16
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DocScrutinizeranybody using 0xffff instead of "silly flasher"?02:55
DocScrutinizeranybody still maintaining and developing it?02:56
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DocScrutinizernly one I ever heard actually using it lately been paul fertser03:07
* DocScrutinizer wonders where are the RE cracks of former times, when you could get a commented assembler listing (as a paperback) of Amiga kickstart WB. We'd love to see similar thing for NOLO03:12
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GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, I use it all the time03:36
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GNUtoo|laptopin fact I just used it to flash uboot for booting meego for finding the formats of the camera03:37
GNUtoo|laptopI think I got the pads right03:37
GNUtoo|laptopbut not the format03:37
GNUtoo|laptopI've tried tried tried several days(not consecutive)03:37
GNUtoo|laptopand I still don't get the camera running with 2.6.37 that had media controller03:37
GNUtoo|laptopnow I'm downloading newer meego since their camera  app segfaulted03:38
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, about nolo why not porting barebox to the n90003:41
GNUtoo|laptopit's small enough to fit inside the required size03:41
GNUtoo|laptopuboot is too big03:41
GNUtoo|laptopbug barebox could fit03:41
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wildcat86Hi, I just got a nokia n800, and I'm looking to put a few pentesting tools on there, but I'm having trouble updating the operating system to OS2008 HE. I was wondering if anyone had a valid WLAN code to plugin, as mine doesn't want to work.03:53
GNUtoo|laptopwhat's that?(the valid wlan code to plugin)03:55
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: I'm more interested in the way NOLO does secret crap like flashing cmt for example03:57
wildcat86GNUtoo, at , it asks for a 12 digit wlan code. Mine doesn't want to work with it.03:58
GNUtoo|laptopah ok, I've no n800 so I cannot help03:59
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DocScrutinizerfriggin check doesn't even accept WLAN MAC of N810 :-/04:21
DocScrutinizerGAN900: you got a N800?04:22
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c2pLaYtrying to run maemo sdk in vmware player04:31
c2pLaYw/e the most recent is04:31
c2pLaYin windows 7 x8604:31
c2pLaYbut the question is04:32
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c2pLaYopen vmware tools04:32
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c2pLaYthe script doesn't work04:32
c2pLaYis there something im missing04:32
c2pLaYlooked in the documentation04:33
c2pLaYyeah cause network isn't working04:34
c2pLaY./ line 97: dialog: command not found04:40
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c2pLaYnat works..04:48
jogaapparently it's missing the dialog program04:51
jogaif it's debian/ubuntu, apt-get install dialog04:51
c2pLaYwill give it a shot04:52
c2pLaYstill gotta get a network going04:52
jogaI gotta sleep, good night, or morning ;)04:52
c2pLaYnot really sure whats up with bridged connection04:52
c2pLaYgnight man04:52
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c2pLaYCan't open input file in dialog_tailbox().05:20
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yigaldoes anyone here know where I can look if a book is in the public domain, or has some less restrtive copyright on it?  That is it is legal to download the work for personal use?05:22
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SpeedEvilHow old is the book/05:25
SpeedEvilIn general, if it's earlier than ~1920 or so - maybe.05:26
SpeedEvilCopyright extension is stupid.05:26
SpeedEvilWhere are you yig?05:26
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yigalSpeedEvil: US, I found out the answer for the book I was interested in the authors have expressly allowed download of the PDF version for personal use, for now that's enough05:33
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Termanagood morning05:35
yigalevening, jk, well not really but good *, where ever your time zone05:35
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: yes.05:45
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snappyi'm very confused as to the naming of devices on the n900. Is /dev/mmcblk1 the external SD card in maemo?07:21
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infobotkerio: thanks09:55
kerioso cute ^_^09:55
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habmalaHi, I read this thread because i had LED-issues it said to remove the simcard, wich I tried, and to my big suprise i worked. Does anyone know that's actually happening, a regular reboot doesn't fix it?10:42
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MohammadAGthe lp5532 (I think) chip gets locked up10:44
MohammadAGapparently, it keeps receiving power even when the phone is off (I'm guessing this is for the LED to show when you hold the power button)10:45
MohammadAGthe only way to reset it is to remove the battery10:45
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MohammadAGyou don't have to remove the SIM btw10:46
robbiethe1stMohammadAG: It doesn't happen to have a reset line, or reset command(via i2C or w/e) does it?10:47
lcukMohammadAG, reseating the sim is a really good way to ensure the battery also gets removed10:47
MohammadAGlcuk, lies, I replaced my SIM with the device on!10:48
MohammadAGrobbiethe1st, no idea, I'm not the best person to give out i2c commands10:49
MohammadAGbtw, the sim replacement part with the device on is actually true :p10:49
habmalaokey, thanks MohammadAG10:50
habmalaand yes its for lighting up on power up, but also notifications and the keyboard backlight..10:50
habmalaooh, I just understood that last part MohammadAG.. hehe my bad ;) and yes that seems reasonable..10:52
MohammadAGI meant the blue light at startup :)10:53
habmalaYes, I re-read the message and realised I had misunderstood you ;)10:54
Evanescencecan I install hildon-desktop on my ubuntu system ?10:54
MohammadAGyes, not directly though10:54
MohammadAGsee cordia's repos10:54
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lcukMohammadAG, you did that because you are awesome :P10:59
lcukbut most mere mortals would have trouble10:59
MohammadAGoffline mode, connect charger, stop bme, remove battery, replace sim in under 25s, replace battery in under 5s, unplug charger, online mode, start bme11:00
MohammadAGeasy as 123...45...11:01
lcukMohammadAG, but that requires dexterity - like the superspeed cup stacker people11:05
lcukMohammadAG, this is how I imagine you doing what you just said:
MohammadAGthat was fast o_O11:08
toproHi, anyone here knows what's happened to eCoach development? Website and SVN seems dead for more than one year now.11:14
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lcuktopro, Sampo has been doing work stuff11:16
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toprolcuk, I would like to implement some stuff into ecoach, but first of all I would need the latest version, qt based especially. Would like to have it working on maemo and meego11:19
lcuktopro, then send sampo an email and ask him11:19
toprokk, thanks11:20
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robbiethe1stOk, f***. does anyone have a nice list of (py)QT4 widgets?11:23
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robbiethe1stLike, all of them, with pictures and such? I remember there being such a page, but I cannot find it anymore11:23
robbiethe1stoh, wait. there we go11:24
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zakkkkmif i have power-kernel.. could i use uboot?11:33
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MohammadAGrobbiethe1st, just use designer and look at the widgets there :)11:39
robbiethe1stTried that once; couldn't figure out the proper names of the widgets in my 5 minutes of fiddling11:40
RST38hPolice vs Zombies11:42
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habmalahey, robbiethe1st whats that site? sounds interesting ;)11:49
robbiethe1stSeems you have to search by "qt widgets" instead of "qt4 widgets" for some odd reason11:50
habmalak, thanks11:50
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* MohammadAG wants a spinning circle Qt widget11:54
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RST38hDoc: Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says the meltdown at the No.1 unit12:02
RST38hcreated holes in the reactor and damaged the containment vessel.12:02
RST38hA large amount of highly radioactive water is believed to be leaking out, but it is12:03
RST38hnot known where it is flowing.12:03
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DocScrutinizerwell, I always was sure there's been a meltdown, even though they claimed it's been not - fools12:43
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RST38hDoc: Meanwhile:
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DocScrutinizerwell, if they filled the groundwater with large amounts of caesium-137, then this will soon be a normal view in Japan13:03
DocScrutinizerzakkkkm: yes, there's a pk+uboot pkg courtesy MohammadAG13:05
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infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer13:16
RST38hDoc: I prefer the cat-eared schoolgirls version =)13:16
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: could you please set infobot +V13:17
ShadowJKRST38h, seen the robotic cat ears that read your brainwaves to determine your mood and moves the cat ears accordingly?13:17
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RST38hShadowJK: Yea, the technological progress is unbelieavable nowadays =)13:18
RST38hShadowJK: Now, of course, they will also have to make the tail...13:18
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MohammadAGbut it's power46 not power4713:19
maybeHereso, how much longer until ?13:19
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: and it's probably still missing the iso9660.ko and/or other modules needed to access DVD/CD13:31
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I don't handle modules in it13:33
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MohammadAGit's just a zimage13:33
Andy80a simple question about packaging: I'm going to package a library that is available on gitorious. It doesn't have any version number, but dh_make want the folder to be in the versione "application-version", so... what version number should I use instead?13:35
RST38h1.0.0 ?13:36
Andy80RST38h: but... using 1.0.0 looks like a stable version, while this one is far from being stable at the moment13:36
MohammadAG0.1 imo13:37
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RST38hJapanese government is extending the evacuation zone to the areas where annual radiation levels exceeded 20mSv13:37
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Andy80yeah... 0.1 or 0.1.0 would be better...13:38
RST38h+7700 people to evacuate13:38
MohammadAGstrictly speaking, that's the package version rather than the library's13:38
Andy80MohammadAG: oh, you're right!13:39
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MohammadAGThe credentials you provided cannot be determined to be authentic.13:49
RST38hThey won't be around for much longer anyway13:50
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DocScrutinizerAndy80: plus/minus a few chapters14:02
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MohammadAGthat's not related to debian packaging DocScrutinizer :p14:05
DocScrutinizerbut definitely to lib naming14:05
DocScrutinizerthought it could help if somebody doesn't even know the diff14:05
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Andy80just a note, it's not a library I've written... I'm just packaging14:06
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MohammadAGbesides rebuilding a kernel, is there a way to change the CMDLINE?14:07
MohammadAGuboot isn't an option, it can't read eMMC14:07
MohammadAG(or is there a way to decompress a zImage? I guess I could sed it)14:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: messing with libs is sth that needs quite a bit of expertise and taking responsibility, as other devs rely on your proper management of things like lib naming, ABI compatibility etc14:09
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Install meego on SD - then do whatever?14:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: of course you can decomrpess zimage, it's a normal gp/bz whatever14:11
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I don't have an SD card14:11
MohammadAGI already have MeeGo on my eMMC, I just need to permanently flash the kernel14:11
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MohammadAGI tried gzip -d, no dice14:11
DocScrutinizertry bzip14:11
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: not even a teeny 1G one?14:11
DocScrutinizeror try ark which has some heuristics to select the right decompressor14:12
MohammadAGbzip2, tried that too14:12
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, nope, had a 4GB one, it died14:12
MohammadAGand the 16GB one isn't for testing14:12
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm sure there are tools that are aware of the properties of the auto-decompressor code that's heading the plain compressed kernel code14:21
DocScrutinizermaybe even the decompressor itself in vmlinuz can get used to write the expanded linux kernel to somewhere14:21
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MohammadAGnone of the methods are working14:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I seem to recall there are scripts to `make vmlinuz` for maemo. The tools called there and files and filesizes used should straightly lead you to the answer how to decompress vmlinuz14:26
MohammadAGI wonder if it's not a vmlinuz image and meego's just using a wrong name14:26
ShadowJKI would have thought that since MeeGo uses uboot, it'd be a uImage?14:27
DocScrutinizergiven the limited amount of space on that kernel mtdpart, I bet it's a compressed image14:28
ShadowJKThough there's a long standing tradition by various distros to name bzimage and zimage as "vmlinuz" on the filesystem14:28
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: the kernel vmlinu? image is a selfextracting binary basically14:28
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so uBoot doesn't care, no bootloader does14:30
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ShadowJKdunno, for my Sheevaplug's uboot I have to make the kernel with "make uImage", iirc14:30
DocScrutinizerload vmlinuz into ram, jump to startaddr14:30
DocScrutinizerthe kernel then basically decompresses itself14:31
ShadowJK(and then the memory address in kernel .conf and uboot have to match)14:31
DocScrutinizerof course you can 'easily' create a userland tool that does exactly the same, and stopps execution after decompressing14:33
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MohammadAGShadowJK, I have both14:36
MohammadAG(a uImage and a zImage)14:36
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MohammadAGI'm out of ideas :/14:38
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: learn to build a maemo z/uImage, check and understand the used tools, and you got your answer how to reverse the process14:41
MohammadAGI know how to build a maemo image...14:42
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MohammadAGit uses simple tools like gzip14:42
DocScrutinizerfine, so step 1 acomplished14:42
MohammadAGbut a zImage is self-decompressing, so the actual gzip file isn't at the start of the file14:42
MohammadAGthe gzip header is 8b1f14:42
DocScrutinizeryes, obviously while building the zImage somebody gets a file of binary decompressor code and glues that at head of zImage14:43
MohammadAGI found 008b1f0 2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c91314:43
DocScrutinizerfind out who's doing that and what size the used code is, and you're done14:44
MohammadAGthis isn't a maemo image, it's a meego image14:44
MohammadAGand I can't find the kernel sources for that exact image, and chances are if i do find them, they'll be heavily based off RPM stuff14:44
DocScrutinizeror you use the brute force approach and try to unzip from addr:0 to addr:30000 and see where unzip doesn't barf ;-)14:45
MohammadAGI thought of that14:46
MohammadAGis there a sane way to do it? :P14:46
DocScrutinizerfor ((i=0; i<30000; i++)); do...14:46
DocScrutinizertest you script with a dummy first! create a (small) .bz and add 20bytes of filler to head - feed that to your script14:48
MohammadAGhow do I break a loop in bash?14:49
DocScrutinizermake sure your script prints "20" or even stops with uncompressed .bz file14:49
DocScrutinizerhelp break14:50
DocScrutinizerbreak: break [n]14:50
DocScrutinizer    Exit for, while, or until loops.14:50
MohammadAGthis'll take a while :/14:50
DocScrutinizerof course a exit works as well ;-)14:50
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MohammadAGtechnically, this'll take 112.6 days14:55
MohammadAGeach attempt takes 5s14:55
SpeedEvilread man hexdump14:55
SpeedEvilfind out how to get it to output a single line of hex digits14:55
MohammadAGI tried hexdump and got 008b1f0 2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c91314:56
SpeedEvilnow, search for the magic string14:56
MohammadAGthat's it ^14:56
SpeedEvilif this is at position 3993940, then divide this by two, and use dd14:56
SpeedEviljob done.14:56
MohammadAGdidn't get the last part14:56
SpeedEvilHexdump is configurable. It can also be set to output a single unbroken line with two output bytes representing one input byte14:57
SpeedEvilyou can then simply text search for your desired string14:57
MohammadAGisn't that the line I pasted above?14:58
MohammadAGI'm not sure how to get the number to use with dd from that14:58
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: wut? on a beagleboard?14:58
SpeedEvil2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c91314:59
SpeedEvilremove the spaces14:59
SpeedEvilthen search for that string in the unbroken line from your kernel14:59
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SpeedEvilprobably only the first several bytes14:59
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DocScrutinizerumm, what's that byte sequence?15:01
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DocScrutinizersome kinda global magic word?15:02
DocScrutinizeror maybe it's x86 specific?15:02
MohammadAGthat shouldn't matter in this case though, I only want the gzipped image which is arch independent15:02
MohammadAG(at least as a compressed image)15:03
DocScrutinizerok, so it's a magic word then15:03
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DocScrutinizerI.E header of the (b)ziped kernel15:03
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MohammadAGyeah 8b1f15:04
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MohammadAGthough I'm not sure what's meant by unbroken line15:05
* DocScrutinizer wonders if unzip had a repair option that does all this magic by itself15:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: no linefeeds, CRs, or white spaces15:06
DocScrutinizerwhich could break your search pattern15:06
DocScrutinizerif you're searchin for FFFFFFFF, the a sequence like "FF FF\nFF FF" won't match15:06
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MohammadAGbut I already found the magic header15:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I also cloudly seem to recal meego changed compression algo (like from gzip to b2zip) eventually15:08
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DocScrutinizerthat's a minor change as only the autoexec decompressor header of zImage is affected usually. Not in your case though15:09
DocScrutinizerjust take care15:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: 468b 1f2e15:12
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: od -t x1 -w30000 <file> might help15:21
MohammadAGthat displays one line, yeah15:23
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DocScrutinizerprobably a veritable hexeditor is even better as it shows offset, and doesn't (shouldn't - i've seen others) care about "linebreaks"15:34
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AcTiVaTeHey all, after a recent flash and restore I am having some problems. One of the biggest is the recent calls in my phonelist not showing any entries or updating anymore.15:36
AcTiVaTeAny repair I have to do on any sqlite db's for this or do I simply have to recreate a db?15:37
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AcTiVaTerecreating the DB seems to be the answer15:43
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DocScrutinizerseems the format of db changed from some PRn-1 to PRn15:48
DocScrutinizerso restore breaks that db15:48
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DocScrutinizermere handwaving, I couldn't share a pointer to some ticket or tmo thread about it15:49
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n900-dkIs there a way to see apps installation log? I guess I have installed something eating my batteri the other day, but can't remember the name of the app..15:53
infobotn900-dk meant: Is there a way to see apps installation log? I guess I have installed something eating my battery the other day, but can't remember the name of the app..15:53
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n900-dkor maybe a tool to see what is eating battery..16:01
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* n900-dk puts on the glasses to interpret powertops output..16:07
SpeedEvilSee also
SpeedEvilerr - not that.16:08
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n900-dkheh, like the first one better :) But thanks16:09
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rddoes anybody know which qemu version the autobuilder includes?16:15
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merlin1991SpeedEvil: lurks on b ?16:42
SpeedEvilJust for the pictures of kittys.16:43
merlin1991that wash-basin is defenitely awesome :D16:44
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: ??17:20
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: ??17:20
DocScrutinizerwhich wash-basin17:20
merlin1991SpeedEvils 4chan link17:21
merlin1991prob 404 by now17:21
DocScrutinizerweird shit, I never even take notice of URLs containing /b/17:21
DocScrutinizeror 4chan17:22
DocScrutinizertbh I have no idea what this is all about17:22
merlin1991then you miss out on those 0,000001% of good links :D17:22
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merlin1991(within all the 4chan links)17:22
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infobotmsg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan17:24
merlin1991pupnik: ftw17:25
vldcnst#politics part was right on!17:25
* merlin1991 wonders what nsfw link pupnik posted17:25
pupniknow playing
DocScrutinizerno link, just plain insulting XXX17:26
vldcnstDocScrutinizer: can I get a 'greeting' too?17:26
pupnikit's hard to switch modes when coming off other channels17:26
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n900-dkHow can I see, which processes is using swap mem?17:28
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DocScrutinizervldcnst: no17:29
pupnikwanted to drop this:  if you want to du -s * in MyDocs, and want to see .sounds, .video, and you're using bash, type "shopt -s dotglob"  and bash will show you hidden directories with du17:29
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DocScrutinizernice hint17:30
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n900-dkhmm, there is no swap column in htop17:32
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compengiwhen i install a new application, the new created shortcut icon in the main menu section isn't set. it's only updated after rebooting the device. does anyone knows why?17:52
trxthats normal17:52
DocScrutinizerseems this possibly is related to a buggy sequence of installing files. The desktop monitors the .desktop dir and recaches icon cache as soon as a new file appears there17:53
trxyou need to clear the cache17:53
trxreload, etc17:54
DocScrutinizerif a packet installs .desktop first, then the icon file17:54
trxcant remember exactly17:54
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DocScrutinizertouch your.desktop should do the trick17:54
DocScrutinizerif that hypothesis is true17:54
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if that recaching process could use a 'sleep 5' after detecting inotify for *.desktop17:56
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DocScrutinizeras .deb are rarely built in a way so dependency files like an icon get installed prior to the files depending on them like .desktop17:59
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DocScrutinizerI only wish I could bother to investigate this enough for opening a ticket against it18:01
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compengiDocScrutinizer, yeah, it's annoying18:04
compengii don't remember this before cssu update18:04
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DocScrutinizercompengi: it's a race and always been there (always assuming my explanation holds some truth)18:06
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nevertheless we might be able to fix ^^^this in cssu, no?18:06
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DocScrutinizerjust add a usleep(5000000) after the inotify callback, in whatever does that icon cache update18:08
* GAN900 yawns.18:09
GAN900Have I missed anything interesting?18:09
* DocScrutinizer reyawns18:09
DocScrutinizerunless I missed it too ;-D18:09
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* MohammadAG reads18:12
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DocScrutinizerwell, to whom it may concern: SHR got call audio semi-working on N90018:12
MohammadAGit's not related to the CSSU18:13
DocScrutinizerit's actually a matter of days rather than months now18:13
MohammadAGit happened ever since PR1.1 removed the gtk-icon cache script18:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's well understood18:13
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MohammadAG<compengi> i don't remember this before cssu update18:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nevertheless we could *fix* it in cssu18:13
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DocScrutinizermake that a usleep(15000000)18:16
DocScrutinizerjust to be on safe side of fence18:16
DocScrutinizereven better: "batch" it (means only start the icon cache update when CPU load drops to a level indicating HAM/apt is done)18:18
DocScrutinizerhmm, the sleep is quite probably just 'nifty' enough18:19
DocScrutinizerand a nice one-liner patch18:19
DocScrutinizerwhile batching might get awkward to do18:20
n900-dkHow come Sociality can start so quickly, when I click the icon? It pops up immediately. When I start it from terminal it takes a little before I see it18:21
trxit would be better to implement it in HAM18:21
DocScrutinizerif update-icon-cache is a spwned process, you could lower prio (aka nice) of it to be below that of apt-worker18:21
DocScrutinizern900-dk: fake, and mirrors ;-P18:22
trxn900-dk it loads an image first afaik18:22
trxor w/e18:22
n900-dkbut it runs the same command from shortcut as from terminal, right?18:22
trxcheck the .desktop file for more info18:23
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DocScrutinizerthat's this unbearable "show a screenshot" default behaviour of PR1.3 hildon, which I'd love to kill all together on my system18:23
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DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG18:25
DocScrutinizerhe knows better about the right names, and how it's working exactly18:25
n900-dkok thanks, just wondering, maybe Sociality was running in the background or something :)18:26
MohammadAG<n900-dk> How come Sociality can start so quickly, when I click the icon? It pops up immediately. When I start it from terminal it takes a little before I see it18:26
DocScrutinizerno, hildon has a dir with screenshots18:26
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MohammadAGI fake startup, iPhone-style18:27
MohammadAGwell, hildon-desktop does, I just found a way to do it in Qt apps :p18:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, make /home/user/.cache/launch non-writable18:27
MohammadAGthen delete all pvrs in it18:27
DocScrutinizerthanks :-D18:27
DocScrutinizerpvr was the friggin buzzword18:28
trxMohammadAG maybe that could be used as a splash screen?18:28
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DocScrutinizerit IS a splashscreen18:28
trxoh, its like that18:29
DocScrutinizerjust it's a friggin "autogenerated" screenshot18:29
trxmakes more sense to why it exists :)18:30
trxi allways found it rather stupid..18:30
* DocScrutinizer is pondering to imagemagic -dim 50% *.pvr18:30
DocScrutinizerso you at least can tell there's no use to click like a fool on settings screen, as it's only the splash and you need to wait another 3s18:31
DocScrutinizertrx: it's definitely stupid18:32
trx50% dim is actually good idea18:33
trxor whatever effect18:33
DocScrutinizersuperinpose a stinky finger ;-P18:33
MohammadAGThat's not a bad idea, except making it configurable would be better18:34
DocScrutinizeralso more robust as multiple processing doesn't change an already processed image18:34
n900-dkDoes powerkernel eat more battery, even when overclocking is not enabled?18:35
DocScrutinizerwhile multiple dim50 would result in a black screen eventually18:35
DocScrutinizernot per se18:35
DocScrutinizerthere are some quirks that may affect your battery management and cpu load, which show up as soon as you do certain things only possible on PK though18:36
DocScrutinizerlike modprobe bq2720018:37
n900-dkIPv6 one of them?18:37
trxor do dim 100%18:37
DocScrutinizeryeah :-P18:37
trxthen do -10% over few seconds18:37
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DocScrutinizertrx: you are thinking of pvr. and about dynamic effects. I suggested a onetime processing of *.pvr, as that's easy to implement with a initscript18:39
MohammadAG<trx> MohammadAG maybe that could be used as a splash screen?18:39
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MohammadAGin PSFreedom I implemented it as "PSFreedom is loading, please wait..."18:39
MohammadAGrather than a fake startup18:39
trxill have a look at that18:40
trxDocScrutinizer yeah good point18:40
DocScrutinizercould anybody find me a gfx tool available on maemo, to superimpose something into those *.pvr?18:40
MohammadAGit's just a PVR I created externally18:40
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trxlol @ post date18:41
MohammadAGsays 10-11-10 for me :P18:43
trxi am in GMT+118:45
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MohammadAGGMT +3 here18:46
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MohammadAG(well, +2 +1 DST)18:46
trxwell that explains it then :)18:46
DocScrutinizerto the point (pvr):
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compengianyone here uses maemo sdk on gentoo?18:49
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BigWookiehi, i know this sounds ridicolos but any advice to kernel debugging on a n900?18:50
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jacekowskidon't do it18:51
BigWookieI use uboot to boot from mmc and try to run webos, the kernel starts but at a certain stage it hangs and flashes the display18:52
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: how would I *edit* *.pvrs?18:52
jacekowskiBigWookie: well, you would have to connect to debug ports under the battery18:53
BigWookieokay, so best thing is forget about the whole thing ;_;18:53
DocScrutinizerkernel debugging without a serial console working from very start is rather hard18:54
DocScrutinizerthat's why OM shipped debug board with Neo18:55
BigWookie:/ yeah18:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what a format are those *.pvr?18:56
rdI compiled navit myself and the menu icon disappeared. Can somebody tell, where it should be located?18:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, PowerVR18:57
MohammadAGI found no way to make them outside hildon-desktop18:57
MohammadAGbesides the iPhone SDK I think, though I never tried that18:57
DocScrutinizerwtf PowerVR? o.O18:58
trxrd opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/*18:58
MohammadAGPVR = PowerVR image18:58
DocScrutinizernever heard of it18:58
MohammadAGit's used extensively on iOS18:58
DocScrutinizermeh!!! :-/18:59
MohammadAGkinda like PNGs, except they're accelerated by the SGX18:59
MohammadAGthough the quality of them is like 24-bit BMPs tbh18:59
DocScrutinizerso is there any converter pvr-> <any-sane-common-format> ?18:59
DocScrutinizerI gather your pvr-creator is just converting png -> pvr, but not the other way round19:00
MohammadAGno, it's just taking a screenshot of the window using libhildon's methods19:01
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DocScrutinizerwell, whatever the source19:01
DocScrutinizercould you add a function to manipulate the resulting pvr?19:02
DocScrutinizerlike superimposing some png?19:02
DocScrutinizeror simply dimming19:03
DocScrutinizerdimming should be rather simple19:03
MohammadAGlemme point you to the function19:03
DocScrutinizersure, go ahead19:03
GAN900Ah, gaffer's tape is the best19:03
GAN900No more rattlin' Lenovo battery.19:03
DocScrutinizerbut then, wait a minute, the friggin pvr for e.g settings is autogenerated by hildon, no pvr-creator involved at all19:04
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's a hildon-desktop function19:05
MohammadAGall devs can add it into apps19:05
DocScrutinizerI'd like to tweak it19:06
MohammadAGmy app just sets the image you provide as a background then takes a screenshot19:06
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DocScrutinizerwell, that all is awkward for my purpose. I simply want to *edit*  the *.pvr files, no matter who created them19:07
rdwhy is /opt needed, why is /usr/share/icons/hicolor/* not ok?19:08
rdseems marble uses just /usr, no opt...19:08
infobotfrom memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence319:09
MohammadAGdon't use /opt19:10
MohammadAGuse /usr/share/icons directly, the folder is optified anyways19:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, don't think it's possible19:10
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -ld /usr/share/icons19:10
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2010-06-23 06:03 /usr/share/icons -> /opt/usr/share/icons19:10
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rdThanks, DocScrutinizer19:11
DocScrutinizerso aiui I need to exploit the hildon function that loads that friggin pvr to screen, then take a screenshot to get a proper format image, edit that with whatver tool I find, and feed the result to pvr-creator19:12
MohammadAGthere are apps to edit PVR images, but they seem to need parts of the iPhone SDK or Mac OS X19:13
DocScrutinizerlol, sure19:13
* DocScrutinizer ponders about gimp19:13
DocScrutinizerif gimp can't edit pvr, then doomsday19:14
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: couldn't you add that 'tiny bit of additional functionality' to pvr-creator? :-D19:16
DocScrutinizerquite a few users would adore that option to call `pvr-creator --edit "dim50" ~user/.cache/launch/*.pvr` on sysinit19:18
DocScrutinizerpvr-creator --edit "exec:gimp --foo --bar %file%" ~user/.cache/launch/*.pvr19:21
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think you need the actual hardware19:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'd even contribute the script to avoid multiple processing of same *.pvg19:24
MohammadAGie a PowerVR19:24
MohammadAGor not, it works in the maemo 5 sdk19:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'll rewrite it in Qt/C++, my Gtk skills suck19:25
DocScrutinizerI never thuoght about running this on my laptop ;-D19:25
DocScrutinizerit's a true maemo app19:26
DocScrutinizercalled pvr-splashscreen-stamper19:26
MohammadAGwell, Qt allows easy image manipulation19:27
DocScrutinizeraka settings-nosuck19:27
lcukMohammadAG, from which APIs, and are they available directly from qml?19:27
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DocScrutinizerwell, provide whatever you find easy to implement: superimpose another png, blurr, dim...19:28
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DocScrutinizerI'm almost fine with all of that, as long as it makes for clearly distinguishable pvr "splashs"19:29
DocScrutinizermy only alternative was to create a (identical) *.pvr from a "SUCKS" image, for all apps using that *.pvr shit19:30
DocScrutinizeror completely killing it the way you suggested19:31
DocScrutinizers/"SUCKS"/"LOADING... please wait"/.19:32
DocScrutinizerthis screenshot fake is so utterly silly and annoying19:33
DocScrutinizerand even worse, takes up some more time on app-start19:33
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DocScrutinizerI'd accept this additional 0.5s when I get a proper feedback. But definitely not for getting fooled by the settings-syndrome19:34
DocScrutinizerMAAAN, this pissed me so many times. And now ( I learn I'm not the only one19:36
n900-dkPlease fix DocScrutinizer ;)19:37
DocScrutinizerI'm unfixable fubar19:37
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, they should do what Apple does.19:38
DocScrutinizeruhuh, what is it that apple does?19:39
GAN900What Jaffa proposed years ago.19:39
GAN900When the application opens it shows the widget outlines.19:39
GAN900Then fills them in when it actually opens.19:40
DocScrutinizerwhat I proposed last millenium ;-P19:40
DocScrutinizerGAN900: well, another nice way of saying "this is a splash screen"19:40
DocScrutinizerI'd be happy with blurr or dim as well19:41
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DocScrutinizerway easier to implement, though of course is missing the coolness factor of apple19:41
GAN900Improving Application Startup Mockup19:42
DocScrutinizerGAN900: my suggestion some 30 min ago been quite along that line19:42
DocScrutinizerGAN900: and seems MohammadAG bitten19:43
MohammadAGlcuk, not sure about QML, but QPixmap and QImage are very interesting19:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, are you sure it takes more time?19:44
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it doesn't19:44
n900-dkhmm, wonders why I suddenly have no catalogs in HAM..19:45
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: loading an image from eMMC takes some CPU cycles that aren't available for app startup19:46
DocScrutinizerprobably not much, but definitely some19:47
DocScrutinizerthose 0.5s were straight from my ass though19:47
DocScrutinizeryou know my ass has good numbers most of the times19:47
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, there might be a way to dim the pvr, rather than edit each one19:48
MohammadAGbut this requires a modded hildon-desktop19:48
DocScrutinizerYEAH!!! go for it!!19:49
MohammadAGI'm not sure I'm C-skilled enough19:49
DocScrutinizerthat's a true cssu improvement19:49
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DocScrutinizerthough.... It will take even more time, for doing something over and over again that could easily get applied to the *.pvr once and done19:51
n900-dkIs there a way to prefer specific connections over another? I have an MMS APN, and the device shouldn't autoconnect to this APN19:52
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DocScrutinizerso while it sounds cute, it actually seems the inferior design from a optimization and system performance PoV19:52
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lcukMohammadAG, C skills you have I am in no doubt19:53
DocScrutinizern900-dk: there is, but I lost the link. You need to edit some weird stuff in connection manager config files or sth19:54
lcukC in specific libraries and APIs are usually more difficult to remember and know19:54
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DocScrutinizerit's always the api and libs - c is simple19:54
MohammadAGwell, the image is a ClutterActor19:55
MohammadAGso if there's a way to dim that...19:55
n900-dkDocScrutinizer: ok, maybe I will find it at TMO19:55
DocScrutinizeryeah n900-dk I think it's been there19:55
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MohammadAGthink I found an easy way19:58
DocScrutinizerI hope it's also a fast way :-/20:01
n900-dkoh, I could just delete the MMS APN - fMMS don't need it anymore :)20:01
DocScrutinizerunless you're talking about the pvr-creator improvement20:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it uses existing code20:01
MohammadAGfrom hildon-desktop20:01
* MohammadAG compiles20:02
DocScrutinizerstill wondering if it's a patch to hildon-desktop20:02
DocScrutinizeror to pvr-creator20:02
DocScrutinizerI'd not really like the patching H-D isea20:03
MohammadAGmeh, my internal battery came loose again20:03
MohammadAGdate and time going back to 6:00 and 1/1/09 :/20:04
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DocScrutinizerit's the more intrusive patch, makes the feature non-optional to install for all those using cssu, and introduces additional potential bugs for a concept that's suboptimal20:04
MohammadAGit can be made configurable20:05
MohammadAGbut before that, it needs to work20:05
MohammadAG=> Segmentation fault20:05
DocScrutinizerwile a design along an augmented pvr-creator editing *.pvr is a plain user pkg you can install and purge any time, use it on all maemo systems, and it's more resource saving20:06
DocScrutinizerall of these points are knockout arguments NOT to implement it into H-D20:07
MohammadAGoh btw DocScrutinizer20:08
MohammadAGthe loop's still running20:08
MohammadAGI forgot about that20:08
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DocScrutinizerit's plain weird it takes 5s per iteration20:08
MohammadAGwell, dd, and it tries to gzip20:09
DocScrutinizeroh hum, maybe you shoul've piped it, so unzip errs out on beginning of dd shuffling MBs, not first copying the whole crap then try to unzip20:10
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DocScrutinizerdd with a blocksize of 1, well that's for sure slow ;-)20:11
DocScrutinizer2 mio write()20:11
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DocScrutinizerI guess you can kill that loop20:12
DocScrutinizer(I'd even unzip >/dev/null)20:13
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DocScrutinizer(H-D pvr patch) plus the idea of multiple times editing the same picture same way, for each start of app when you are interested in a fast execution and low overhead - that's really no smart design20:14
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DocScrutinizer(you can see how my mind sometimes is changing a 180° in a short while - not always first impression is the right one)20:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's a ClutterActor20:17
MohammadAGyou're not editing anything, you're just showing it dimmed20:17
MohammadAGit's the same as dimming what's behind dialogs20:17
DocScrutinizerthat's also the reason why it takes me the longer to start on writing specs the more complex a task is - it just needs longer to evaluate all the aspects of each possible solution20:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: to get just in vicinity of a on-par with the editing-.pvr concept, this H-D patch would at very least need a per-app config in .desktop20:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, or a config where it belongs, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini20:20
DocScrutinizeror that20:20
DocScrutinizerthough I'm yet undecided on that20:21
DocScrutinizerit's no general transition but a per-app startup detail20:21
DocScrutinizeryou don't want to have per-app settings in transitions.ini20:22
DocScrutinizerper-app things in global files always cause lots of headache20:23
MohammadAGwhy per app?20:23
MohammadAGeither it affects all apps or none20:23
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DocScrutinizera user might want to have proper pvr for one app, dimmed pvr for second one, his own undimmed pvr-creator made custom splash on third, and plain no pvr on 4th20:24
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DocScrutinizerIf I create my own custom splash with pvr creator then I don't want this to get dimmed, though I might want dimming for all other apps20:26
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DocScrutinizeryou see the shortcoming adding up for the H-D patch concept20:27
DocScrutinizeraugment pvr-creator to pvr-editor, it's the way better approach20:27
DocScrutinizerand works on plain maemo as well ;-D20:28
DocScrutinizernever patch system bits if you can achieve same (or even better, here) effect with a plain user app20:29
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DocScrutinizerdevelopment is not about simplicity of implementation20:30
DocScrutinizeror more precise, simplicity is a criterion after best approach has been selected20:30
DocScrutinizerin fact a simple suboptimal approach has killed off any work on the optimal one so many times20:32
merlin1991kulve: I'm going to reflash now, and then I'll retry ogg-support 1.0.7~rc120:32
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DocScrutinizerfor a recent example see how lis3lv02.ko module botch upstream completely blocks any proper implementation of a lis302dl driver going upstream, as "there is already a driver for that"20:34
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DocScrutinizerbetter partially implement a complicated but wel designed concept, than have a simple-to-implement botch nicely done so nobody ever will touch it again20:36
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* DocScrutinizer sighs20:38
DocScrutinizerprobably already too late :-/20:39
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DocScrutinizer...and another bleeding edge patch to cssu that's neither needed nor tested nor discussed, and probably will give us another step away from cssu-stable20:41
DocScrutinizeri.e. more possible bugs20:42
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: cssu has no team that wants to push it towards -stable20:42
DocScrutinizertoo boring20:42
DocScrutinizerimplemeting a patch to dim pvr splashscreens is way more fun, and exciting20:43
khertanfixing that qt bugs should be the priority !20:43
khertanthe raster engine is too much bugged !20:43
lcukkhertan, how many other qt bugs should be prioritised?20:44
* DocScrutinizer declares cssu lethaly sick20:44
khertanlcuk: i count 220:44
merlin1991hm how long does it usually take to boot after a flash?20:44
khertanlcuk : the one which prevent qt hildon widget to works, and the qt1872020:45
merlin1991I'm looking at the dots for qutie some time now and beginning to worry20:45
khertanlcuk: at the least this are the both that i found blocking20:45
khertanlcuk: and i didn' t found where it s come from20:45
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: might take minutes20:45
khertanlcuk: i ve even try to uncommit many git commit without success20:46
khertanlcuk: at least for the shift click selection bug, we have a patch20:46
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kuzewHello, has anyone attempted to mount maemo's rootfs on nitdroid?  I'm trying to fix a multiboot item so I can get back into maemo20:51
DocScrutinizermeh *eg*20:51
kuzewthe multiboot rescue shell works, but I can't type in any special chars14]20:52
kuzew[#maemo] ell works, but I can't type in any special chars20:52
* DocScrutinizer wishes he got a € for each "multiboot issue"20:52
kuzewthe rescue shell works, sorta20:52
n900-dkdoes nitroid have landscape mode?20:52
kuzewn900-dk: yeah20:53
DocScrutinizerfsck nitdroid20:53
kuzewhey, I was only playing with it20:53
kuzewI want to go back to maemo! :P20:53
DocScrutinizerno, they were playing with you ;-P20:53
n900-dkbut no phone yet?20:54
DocScrutinizerand they played evel prank on you, as it seems it's impossible to uninstall nitdroid20:54
kuzewn900-dk: no phone yet, I can't even read the sim card correctly20:54
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kuzewyeah, I'm fearing I'd have to do that... :/20:55
DocScrutinizerI haven't heard of a single recover from borked mutiboot20:55
kuzewIf Android has the jffs2 kernel module, I'd be able to mount the partition to fix my mutliboot item20:56
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DocScrutinizernitdroid dudes are happy when you get THEIR system to run. Don't care at all about concurrent alternative OS or even uninstalling nitdroid (and multiboot)20:56
kuzewit's funny, I can mount my home and opt (ext3 and vfat) fine20:56
kuzewhmm, not cool20:57
DocScrutinizernot jffs220:57
kuzewit's ubifs+jffs2 I think20:58
DocScrutinizerhow's that?20:59
kuzewhmm, I'm confused now20:59
DocScrutinizeryeah, like all nitdroid devels20:59
kuzewyou're right DocScrutinizer20:59
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kuzewthe flasher doesn't have anyway to dump the rootfs image, right?21:00
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DocScrutinizermultiboot is *EVIL* and deprecated, as it breaks/conflicts with any other normal action of kernel, like installing powerkernel, updating stock kernel, adding uBoot for meego, you name it21:01
DocScrutinizerno, you can't dump rootfs via flasher (unless there's a hidden cmdline option for that)21:02
kuzewheh, right then21:02
DocScrutinizeryou *could* dump the raw NAND image under nitdroid21:03
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DocScrutinizermaybe even loopmount that dumpfile via ubifs later21:03
kuzewyeah, I was just looking into that21:04
DocScrutinizerof curse if friggin nitridiot supports mounting ubifs, that'd be even better21:04
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DocScrutinizerooh, curse - yeah :-P21:05
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kuzewI'm working with the android debug bridge, likes to crap out a lot, I'm even surprised to see it working21:05
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DocScrutinizeryou could as well tell me about win-P7 secret registry tunes ;-)21:06
kuzewI don't run windows21:06
DocScrutinizerI don't run google21:06
kuzewheh, otherwise you could find out where I am and what I search for the most...21:07
DocScrutinizerjust heard they invented new craplocks there, while all the sane unix world tries to get rid of *locks as much as possible ;-D21:08
DocScrutinizerwait... wastelocks?21:09
DocScrutinizeraaah wakelocks21:09
kuzewoh now I get it21:10
kuzewyeah, the big kernel lock was removed a few revs ago21:10
kuzew# cat /proc/wakelocks21:12
kuzewyep! still there21:12
kuzewnow, time to figure out which /dev/mtd I can dump21:13
DocScrutinizer (<-wakelocks)21:14
kuzewyeah, I was just reading that :P21:14
merlin1991kulve: I reflashed the n90021:15
merlin1991installed extra decoders from -devel21:15
merlin1991and 1.0.7 works just fine21:15
kuzewdamn, I wish the power47 kernel update didn't remove my uboot21:18
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you need some *locks21:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: to make sure that other thread isn't messing up your memory21:21
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure, like mutex. But I don't like fakelocks21:21
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DocScrutinizerand I don't like andridiot21:22
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well implementation is other thing21:22
DocScrutinizernah, adridiot's wakelocks are definitely wrong21:22
DocScrutinizerif I want to protect my embedded device against runaway processes, I get some ulimits, quotas, and OOMd and busy-process-killer-daemon21:24
DocScrutinizerwe discussed that at Openmoko several times (particularly me and raster)21:25
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DocScrutinizerFSO has a resource "CPU" that you can allocate21:26
n900-dkMohammadAG: How come Sociality isn't named Sociality?21:27
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DocScrutinizerif you think you need BS like dsme to auto-restart segfaulting processes, then that DSME as well needs to handle CPU resource, to avoid system suspending when such a supervised app segfaults21:28
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DocScrutinizerand maemo evidently obviously doesn't need any such things like wakelocks, CPU resource and suspend-to-ram, as SmartReflex and a proper driver design handle power just nicely21:30
kuzewthat I agree with21:31
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kuzewSmartReflex doesn't work for me though21:32
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DocScrutinizerso all it'd need in e.g. maemo to achieve a fool-app proof thing was a kind of automatic powertop killing runaway apps21:32
kuzewthen again, I just hit a checkbox, so I don't know what they are doing is proper21:32
DocScrutinizerkuzew: what you think of is just a little part of the whole SR thing21:33
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DocScrutinizerSR is a bunch of measures to minimize system power consumption. Most of them are on a chip level and can't get switched on/off21:35
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kuzewah, I didn't read the ARM docs21:36
DocScrutinizerothers are for example suspending of particular subsystems when not in use, like the ULPI bus from CPU to MUSB core USB controller21:36
DocScrutinizerthe /sys/*/smartreflex is only about the voltage regulators *automatic* adjustment via a dedicated I2C connection to CPU21:37
DocScrutinizeryou still can adjust the voltages 'manually', i.e. via software, which maemo (kernel) is doing. AFAIK21:38
DocScrutinizerother aspects of whole SR are not at all affected21:39
kuzewI was going to ask, but yeah21:39
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kuzewHmm, ULPI is neat21:40
DocScrutinizeryeah, and it's from MUSB to PHY, not to CPU. I was wrong there, that's in fact yet another bus that has its own suspend control21:41
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DocScrutinizerand this is one of the features of SR: fine grained suspend/power control for subsystems21:43
DocScrutinizerso suspending whole system like adridiot does is a rather awkward thing21:44
kuzewyeah, I see that a _LOT_ in dmesg21:44
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kuzewdoes the OMAP/DSP also have a sleep state you can put it in?21:45
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kuzewrather, is it being used?21:45
DocScrutinizerI'd bet it is21:45
SpeedEvil_everything_ has a sleep state.21:45
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DocScrutinizerthough that's quite probably burried inside the closed drivers for DSP21:46
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kuzewyuck, they are closed as well?21:46
DocScrutinizeryes, DSP lib is closed21:46
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DocScrutinizernot the kernel/sys api though, I'd guess21:47
kuzewyeah, I'd think that would be open, the drivers I would understand being closed21:47
GNUtoo|laptopI saw on oe some dsp bios stuff, but I was told at the same time that the DSP side was proprietary21:48
GNUtoo|laptopbasically there are some CPU side  FLOSS stuff21:48
GNUtoo|laptopfor instance gst-dsp21:48
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GNUtoo|laptopbut personally I prefer the CPU21:48
GNUtoo|laptopthe CPU reads more formats21:48
GNUtoo|laptopmaybe it consumes more battery tough21:49
SpeedEvilAnd uses more power21:49
SpeedEvilIt's not - so - important if you have the screen at maximum.21:49
kuzewDSP can be more efficient at times, depending what you are doing21:49
SpeedEvilBut at minimum brightness it makes quite a difference.21:49
DocScrutinizerDSP bridge:
DocScrutinizerDSP is not per se better on power conservation. It's simply faster on some special tasks21:51
DocScrutinizerDSP easily might eat more power when idling than the CPU21:51
kuzewyou'd hope it be in a sleep state then21:52
DocScrutinizerthat's the topic we just discussed21:52
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DocScrutinizeryou should't expect e.g. mp3-playback via DSP to be always better on power than doing same thing via CPU21:54
DocScrutinizershould *not*21:54
SpeedEvilIMO, you probably should, if you are just asking about mp3 decoding.21:56
SpeedEvilAnd not streaming to the DAC21:56
SpeedEvilThat reminds me - I meant to look at the functional block diagram, and find out if the DMA unit can stay awake without the CPU core, DMAing a decoded raw audio to the DAC21:57
kuzewyou mean DMAed into the DSP then to the DAC21:58
DocScrutinizerwell, the DSP can decode your whole song in 0.4s while CPU takes 3s for that. But then the DSP keeps eating power for the rest of the song, pushing bytes out the DAC, while CPU could sleep most of the time, or even offload to a DMA and sleep all of the time21:58
SpeedEvilI mean - if the DSP can be used to decode - say - 3s of audio, and go back to sleep, and then the CPU setup DMA to push this to the speakers, go back to sleep, and wakeup when there is .5s later21:59
SpeedEvil.5s left, and repeat21:59
DocScrutinizeryes, that'd maybe the optimum, depending on how much better DSP is, compared to the overhead in CPU setting it up and moving data around22:00
SpeedEvilwhere 3 may be 3022:00
DocScrutinizerit's a non trivial evaluation22:01
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DocScrutinizeryou'd finally have to implement both concepts and compare22:02
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SpeedEvilWell - not really.22:03
SpeedEvilThe 'if it can DMA it out to the DAC' is a clear winner if it's the CPU or the DSP doing it22:03
SpeedEvilthe rest is a matter of question.22:03
kulvemerlin1991: ok, good to know22:03
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hajannoying.. my N900 seems to loose contact with the SIM all the time... I tried cleaning the connectors but it doesn't seem to help...22:17
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SpeedEvilhaj: Same here - I need to return it for warranty. It is a known failure mode apparantly.22:25
hajuhm... mine is out of warranty... wonder if it's an expensive fix..22:26
SpeedEvilI'm unsure that it's a simple fix.22:28
SpeedEvilI would quite like to know what's wrong.22:28
hajSpeedEvil: when did yours start doing it?22:29
hajdid you try another sim?22:29
SpeedEvilhaj: umm... hangon22:30
SpeedEvilAt least last august22:32
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hajSpeedEvil: does your phone also keep asking you for the PIN-code? Mine did that the other day, but now it seems it just looses contact for a few sec. and then it works again..22:37
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SpeedEvilI've never set a pin.22:40
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DocScrutinizerhaj: check syslog/dmesg22:53
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wazdwoo, congats finns :)23:42
achipathey're really on fire23:46
wazdhumiliation :)23:47
sp3000well now I feel bad for fasth23:49
sp3000that like totally messes up his avg23:49
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moo__good evening23:50
moo__riddle me this23:50
moo__why does power kernel cause 1000 wakeups/second23:51
moo__where as stock only causes 300/s?23:51
moo__this was tested on a freshly flashed device23:52
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moo__son of a bitch23:55
moo__its blood!23:55
moo__Who wrote the pastebinnit in devel?23:55
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moo__ok, scratch everything I just said23:56
piggzdoes qputenv("N900_PORTRAIT_SENSORS", "1");  work for a qml app?  it doesnt seem to be23:56
moo__just ran another powertop and got the longest sleep time I have ever seen23:56
moo__not even offline mode!23:57
achipapiggz: which mobility are you using ?23:59
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piggzachipa: 1.123:59
achipai don't think anything prior to 1.2 final has that tweak...23:59

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