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| rtyler | any of you fine chaps know what packages I would need to install on my laptop to use mobile hotspot properly? I can pull an IP but I can't seem to get a route autoconfigured | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody using 0xffff instead of "silly flasher"? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody still maintaining and developing it? | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nly one I ever heard actually using it lately been paul fertser | 03:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders where are the RE cracks of former times, when you could get a commented assembler listing (as a paperback) of Amiga kickstart WB. We'd love to see similar thing for NOLO | 03:12 | |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, I use it all the time | 03:36 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | (0xffff) | 03:36 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | in fact I just used it to flash uboot for booting meego for finding the formats of the camera | 03:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I think I got the pads right | 03:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but not the format | 03:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I've tried tried tried several days(not consecutive) | 03:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and I still don't get the camera running with 2.6.37 that had media controller | 03:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | now I'm downloading newer meego since their camera app segfaulted | 03:38 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, about nolo why not porting barebox to the n900 | 03:41 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | it's small enough to fit inside the required size | 03:41 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | uboot is too big | 03:41 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | bug barebox could fit | 03:41 |
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| wildcat86 | Hi, I just got a nokia n800, and I'm looking to put a few pentesting tools on there, but I'm having trouble updating the operating system to OS2008 HE. I was wondering if anyone had a valid WLAN code to plugin, as mine doesn't want to work. | 03:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | what's that?(the valid wlan code to plugin) | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: I'm more interested in the way NOLO does secret crap like flashing cmt for example | 03:57 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 03:57 |
| wildcat86 | GNUtoo, at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php , it asks for a 12 digit wlan code. Mine doesn't want to work with it. | 03:58 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok, I've no n800 so I cannot help | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin check doesn't even accept WLAN MAC of N810 :-/ | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you got a N800? | 04:22 |
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| c2pLaY | hiya | 04:31 |
| c2pLaY | trying to run maemo sdk in vmware player | 04:31 |
| c2pLaY | w/e the most recent is | 04:31 |
| c2pLaY | in windows 7 x86 | 04:31 |
| c2pLaY | but the question is | 04:32 |
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| c2pLaY | open vmware tools | 04:32 |
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| c2pLaY | the script doesn't work | 04:32 |
| c2pLaY | is there something im missing | 04:32 |
| c2pLaY | looked in the documentation | 04:33 |
| c2pLaY | bridged | 04:33 |
| c2pLaY | yeah cause network isn't working | 04:34 |
| c2pLaY | ./install_open_vm_tools.sh: line 97: dialog: command not found | 04:40 |
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| c2pLaY | nat works.. | 04:48 |
| joga | apparently it's missing the dialog program | 04:51 |
| joga | if it's debian/ubuntu, apt-get install dialog | 04:51 |
| c2pLaY | will give it a shot | 04:52 |
| c2pLaY | still gotta get a network going | 04:52 |
| joga | I gotta sleep, good night, or morning ;) | 04:52 |
| c2pLaY | not really sure whats up with bridged connection | 04:52 |
| c2pLaY | gnight man | 04:52 |
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| c2pLaY | Can't open input file in dialog_tailbox(). | 05:20 |
| c2pLaY | :x | 05:20 |
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| yigal | does anyone here know where I can look if a book is in the public domain, or has some less restrtive copyright on it? That is it is legal to download the work for personal use? | 05:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | How old is the book/ | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | In general, if it's earlier than ~1920 or so - maybe. | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Copyright extension is stupid. | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Where are you yig? | 05:26 |
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| yigal | SpeedEvil: US, I found out the answer for the book I was interested in the authors have expressly allowed download of the PDF version for personal use, for now that's enough | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:33 |
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| yigal | http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~jabondy/ | 05:35 |
| Termana | good morning | 05:35 |
| yigal | evening, jk, well not really but good *, where ever your time zone | 05:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: yes. | 05:45 |
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| pronto | http://i.imgur.com/ddRQ0.jpg | 06:13 |
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| snappy | i'm very confused as to the naming of devices on the n900. Is /dev/mmcblk1 the external SD card in maemo? | 07:21 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 09:55 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 09:55 |
| kerio | so cute ^_^ | 09:55 |
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| habmala | Hi, I read this thread because i had LED-issues http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55821&highlight=error+status%3A+65280+failed+set+red+led+current&page=2 it said to remove the simcard, wich I tried, and to my big suprise i worked. Does anyone know that's actually happening, a regular reboot doesn't fix it? | 10:42 |
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| MohammadAG | the lp5532 (I think) chip gets locked up | 10:44 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, it keeps receiving power even when the phone is off (I'm guessing this is for the LED to show when you hold the power button) | 10:45 |
| MohammadAG | the only way to reset it is to remove the battery | 10:45 |
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| MohammadAG | you don't have to remove the SIM btw | 10:46 |
| robbiethe1st | MohammadAG: It doesn't happen to have a reset line, or reset command(via i2C or w/e) does it? | 10:47 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, reseating the sim is a really good way to ensure the battery also gets removed | 10:47 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, lies, I replaced my SIM with the device on! | 10:48 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 10:48 |
| MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, no idea, I'm not the best person to give out i2c commands | 10:49 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 10:49 |
| MohammadAG | btw, the sim replacement part with the device on is actually true :p | 10:49 |
| habmala | okey, thanks MohammadAG | 10:50 |
| habmala | and yes its for lighting up on power up, but also notifications and the keyboard backlight.. | 10:50 |
| habmala | ooh, I just understood that last part MohammadAG.. hehe my bad ;) and yes that seems reasonable.. | 10:52 |
| MohammadAG | I meant the blue light at startup :) | 10:53 |
| habmala | Yes, I re-read the message and realised I had misunderstood you ;) | 10:54 |
| Evanescence | can I install hildon-desktop on my ubuntu system ? | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG | yes, not directly though | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG | see cordia's repos | 10:54 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, you did that because you are awesome :P | 10:59 |
| lcuk | but most mere mortals would have trouble | 10:59 |
| MohammadAG | offline mode, connect charger, stop bme, remove battery, replace sim in under 25s, replace battery in under 5s, unplug charger, online mode, start bme | 11:00 |
| MohammadAG | easy as 123...45... | 11:01 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, but that requires dexterity - like the superspeed cup stacker people | 11:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, this is how I imagine you doing what you just said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY6fyRAGH78 | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG | that was fast o_O | 11:08 |
| topro | Hi, anyone here knows what's happened to eCoach development? Website and SVN seems dead for more than one year now. | 11:14 |
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| lcuk | topro, Sampo has been doing work stuff | 11:16 |
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| topro | lcuk, I would like to implement some stuff into ecoach, but first of all I would need the latest version, qt based especially. Would like to have it working on maemo and meego | 11:19 |
| lcuk | topro, then send sampo an email and ask him | 11:19 |
| topro | kk, thanks | 11:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | Ok, f***. does anyone have a nice list of (py)QT4 widgets? | 11:23 |
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| robbiethe1st | Like, all of them, with pictures and such? I remember there being such a page, but I cannot find it anymore | 11:23 |
| robbiethe1st | oh, wait. there we go | 11:24 |
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| zakkkkm | if i have power-kernel.. could i use uboot? | 11:33 |
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| MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, just use designer and look at the widgets there :) | 11:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Tried that once; couldn't figure out the proper names of the widgets in my 5 minutes of fiddling | 11:40 |
| RST38h | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pThp9ZQe0Jc/Tc-H1TMWe1I/AAAAAAAADa8/X2yTbfisB8g/s640/zombie-orig.jpg | 11:42 |
| RST38h | Police vs Zombies | 11:42 |
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| habmala | hey, robbiethe1st whats that site? sounds interesting ;) | 11:49 |
| robbiethe1st | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.5/gallery-cleanlooks.html | 11:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Seems you have to search by "qt widgets" instead of "qt4 widgets" for some odd reason | 11:50 |
| habmala | k, thanks | 11:50 |
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| * MohammadAG wants a spinning circle Qt widget | 11:54 | |
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| RST38h | Doc: Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says the meltdown at the No.1 unit | 12:02 |
| RST38h | created holes in the reactor and damaged the containment vessel. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | A large amount of highly radioactive water is believed to be leaking out, but it is | 12:03 |
| RST38h | not known where it is flowing. | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I always was sure there's been a meltdown, even though they claimed it's been not - fools | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Meanwhile: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5604/bender008.20/0_66075_4d7424e4_orig | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if they filled the groundwater with large amounts of caesium-137, then this will soon be a normal view in Japan | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: yes, there's a pk+uboot pkg courtesy MohammadAG | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~uptime | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 13:16 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 13:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: I prefer the cat-eared schoolgirls version =) | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: could you please set infobot +V | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, seen the robotic cat ears that read your brainwaves to determine your mood and moves the cat ears accordingly? | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Yea, the technological progress is unbelieavable nowadays =) | 13:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Now, of course, they will also have to make the tail... | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 13:18 |
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| MohammadAG | but it's power46 not power47 | 13:19 |
| maybeHere | so, how much longer until http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhjkhtbRR31qh3bh2o1_500.jpg ? | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and it's probably still missing the iso9660.ko and/or other modules needed to access DVD/CD | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I don't handle modules in it | 13:33 |
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| MohammadAG | it's just a zimage | 13:33 |
| Andy80 | a simple question about packaging: I'm going to package a library that is available on gitorious. It doesn't have any version number, but dh_make want the folder to be in the versione "application-version", so... what version number should I use instead? | 13:35 |
| RST38h | 1.0.0 ? | 13:36 |
| Andy80 | RST38h: but... using 1.0.0 looks like a stable version, while this one is far from being stable at the moment | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.1.0? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.0.1? | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | 0.1 imo | 13:37 |
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| RST38h | Japanese government is extending the evacuation zone to the areas where annual radiation levels exceeded 20mSv | 13:37 |
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| Andy80 | yeah... 0.1 or 0.1.0 would be better... | 13:38 |
| RST38h | +7700 people to evacuate | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | strictly speaking, that's the package version rather than the library's | 13:38 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: oh, you're right! | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 13:41 |
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| MohammadAG | symbian.nokia.com sucks | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | The credentials you provided cannot be determined to be authentic. | 13:49 |
| RST38h | They won't be around for much longer anyway | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Andy80: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html plus/minus a few chapters | 14:02 |
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| MohammadAG | that's not related to debian packaging DocScrutinizer :p | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | but definitely to lib naming | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it could help if somebody doesn't even know the diff | 14:05 |
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| Andy80 | just a note, it's not a library I've written... I'm just packaging | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 14:07 |
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| MohammadAG | besides rebuilding a kernel, is there a way to change the CMDLINE? | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | uboot isn't an option, it can't read eMMC | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | (or is there a way to decompress a zImage? I guess I could sed it) | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: messing with libs is sth that needs quite a bit of expertise and taking responsibility, as other devs rely on your proper management of things like lib naming, ABI compatibility etc | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Install meego on SD - then do whatever? | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: of course you can decomrpess zimage, it's a normal gp/bz whatever | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I don't have an SD card | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | gz* | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | I already have MeeGo on my eMMC, I just need to permanently flash the kernel | 14:11 |
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| MohammadAG | I tried gzip -d, no dice | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | try bzip | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: not even a teeny 1G one? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or try ark which has some heuristics to select the right decompressor | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | bzip2, tried that too | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, nope, had a 4GB one, it died | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | and the 16GB one isn't for testing | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://www.google.de/search?q=decompress+zImage | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.codeguru.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-415186.html | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm sure there are tools that are aware of the properties of the auto-decompressor code that's heading the plain compressed kernel code | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even the decompressor itself in vmlinuz can get used to write the expanded linux kernel to somewhere | 14:21 |
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| MohammadAG | none of the methods are working | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I seem to recall there are scripts to `make vmlinuz` for maemo. The tools called there and files and filesizes used should straightly lead you to the answer how to decompress vmlinuz | 14:26 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if it's not a vmlinuz image and meego's just using a wrong name | 14:26 |
| ShadowJK | I would have thought that since MeeGo uses uboot, it'd be a uImage? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the limited amount of space on that kernel mtdpart, I bet it's a compressed image | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | Though there's a long standing tradition by various distros to name bzimage and zimage as "vmlinuz" on the filesystem | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the kernel vmlinu? image is a selfextracting binary basically | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so uBoot doesn't care, no bootloader does | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | dunno, for my Sheevaplug's uboot I have to make the kernel with "make uImage", iirc | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | load vmlinuz into ram, jump to startaddr | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | the kernel then basically decompresses itself | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | (and then the memory address in kernel .conf and uboot have to match) | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can 'easily' create a userland tool that does exactly the same, and stopps execution after decompressing | 14:33 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, I have both | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | (a uImage and a zImage) | 14:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm out of ideas :/ | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: learn to build a maemo z/uImage, check and understand the used tools, and you got your answer how to reverse the process | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | I know how to build a maemo image... | 14:42 |
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| MohammadAG | it uses simple tools like gzip | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, so step 1 acomplished | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | but a zImage is self-decompressing, so the actual gzip file isn't at the start of the file | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | the gzip header is 8b1f | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, obviously while building the zImage somebody gets a file of binary decompressor code and glues that at head of zImage | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | I found 008b1f0 2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c913 | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | find out who's doing that and what size the used code is, and you're done | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | this isn't a maemo image, it's a meego image | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | and I can't find the kernel sources for that exact image, and chances are if i do find them, they'll be heavily based off RPM stuff | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you use the brute force approach and try to unzip from addr:0 to addr:30000 and see where unzip doesn't barf ;-) | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | I thought of that | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | is there a sane way to do it? :P | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for ((i=0; i<30000; i++)); do... | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | (bashism!) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | test you script with a dummy first! create a (small) .bz and add 20bytes of filler to head - feed that to your script | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | how do I break a loop in bash? | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure your script prints "20" or even stops with uncompressed .bz file | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | help break | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | break: break [n] | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Exit for, while, or until loops. | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | this'll take a while :/ | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course a exit works as well ;-) | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | technically, this'll take 112.6 days | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | each attempt takes 5s | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | umm... | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | read man hexdump | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | find out how to get it to output a single line of hex digits | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | I tried hexdump and got 008b1f0 2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c913 | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | now, search for the magic string | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | that's it ^ | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | if this is at position 3993940, then divide this by two, and use dd | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | job done. | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | didn't get the last part | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Hexdump is configurable. It can also be set to output a single unbroken line with two output bytes representing one input byte | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | you can then simply text search for your desired string | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | isn't that the line I pasted above? | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure how to get the number to use with dd from that | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wut? on a beagleboard? | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | 2432 82c6 3474 32dd 96a8 8588 e377 c913 | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | remove the spaces | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | then search for that string in the unbroken line from your kernel | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | probably only the first several bytes | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, what's that byte sequence? | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some kinda global magic word? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's x86 specific? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | that shouldn't matter in this case though, I only want the gzipped image which is arch independent | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | (at least as a compressed image) | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so it's a magic word then | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E header of the (b)ziped kernel | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah 8b1f | 15:04 |
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| MohammadAG | though I'm not sure what's meant by unbroken line | 15:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if unzip had a repair option that does all this magic by itself | 15:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no linefeeds, CRs, or white spaces | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | which could break your search pattern | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're searchin for FFFFFFFF, the a sequence like "FF FF\nFF FF" won't match | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | but I already found the magic header | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P1ZVUP2u | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I also cloudly seem to recal meego changed compression algo (like from gzip to b2zip) eventually | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a minor change as only the autoexec decompressor header of zImage is affected usually. Not in your case though | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just take care | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 468b 1f2e | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: od -t x1 -w30000 <file> might help | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | that displays one line, yeah | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably a veritable hexeditor is even better as it shows offset, and doesn't (shouldn't - i've seen others) care about "linebreaks" | 15:34 |
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| AcTiVaTe | Hey all, after a recent flash and restore I am having some problems. One of the biggest is the recent calls in my phonelist not showing any entries or updating anymore. | 15:36 |
| AcTiVaTe | Any repair I have to do on any sqlite db's for this or do I simply have to recreate a db? | 15:37 |
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| AcTiVaTe | recreating the DB seems to be the answer | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems the format of db changed from some PRn-1 to PRn | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so restore breaks that db | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mere handwaving, I couldn't share a pointer to some ticket or tmo thread about it | 15:49 |
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| n900-dk | Is there a way to see apps installation log? I guess I have installed something eating my batteri the other day, but can't remember the name of the app.. | 15:53 |
| n900-dk | s/batteri/battery/ | 15:53 |
| infobot | n900-dk meant: Is there a way to see apps installation log? I guess I have installed something eating my battery the other day, but can't remember the name of the app.. | 15:53 |
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| n900-dk | or maybe a tool to see what is eating battery.. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | powertop | 16:01 |
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| * n900-dk puts on the glasses to interpret powertops output.. | 16:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | See also http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1305463695361.jpg | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | err - not that. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 16:08 |
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| n900-dk | heh, like the first one better :) But thanks | 16:09 |
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| rd | does anybody know which qemu version the autobuilder includes? | 16:15 |
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| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: lurks on b ? | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Just for the pictures of kittys. | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | that wash-basin is defenitely awesome :D | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ?? | 17:20 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ?? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | which wash-basin | 17:20 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvils 4chan link | 17:21 |
| merlin1991 | prob 404 by now | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird shit, I never even take notice of URLs containing /b/ | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 4chan | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no idea what this is all about | 17:22 |
| merlin1991 | then you miss out on those 0,000001% of good links :D | 17:22 |
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| merlin1991 | (within all the 4chan links) | 17:22 |
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| infobot | msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan | 17:24 |
| pupnik | lol | 17:25 |
| merlin1991 | pupnik: ftw | 17:25 |
| vldcnst | #politics part was right on! | 17:25 |
| * merlin1991 wonders what nsfw link pupnik posted | 17:25 | |
| pupnik | now playing http://dissentradio.com/radio/11_05_13_woods.mp3 | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no link, just plain insulting XXX | 17:26 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: can I get a 'greeting' too? | 17:26 |
| pupnik | it's hard to switch modes when coming off other channels | 17:26 |
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| n900-dk | How can I see, which processes is using swap mem? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | htop | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: no | 17:29 |
| pupnik | wanted to drop this: if you want to du -s * in MyDocs, and want to see .sounds, .video, and you're using bash, type "shopt -s dotglob" and bash will show you hidden directories with du | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice hint | 17:30 |
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| n900-dk | hmm, there is no swap column in htop | 17:32 |
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| compengi | when i install a new application, the new created shortcut icon in the main menu section isn't set. it's only updated after rebooting the device. does anyone knows why? | 17:52 |
| trx | thats normal | 17:52 |
| compengi | oh | 17:53 |
| compengi | really? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems this possibly is related to a buggy sequence of installing files. The desktop monitors the .desktop dir and recaches icon cache as soon as a new file appears there | 17:53 |
| trx | you need to clear the cache | 17:53 |
| trx | reload, etc | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if a packet installs .desktop first, then the icon file | 17:54 |
| trx | cant remember exactly | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | touch your.desktop should do the trick | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that hypothesis is true | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:54 |
| trx | :) | 17:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if that recaching process could use a 'sleep 5' after detecting inotify for *.desktop | 17:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | as .deb are rarely built in a way so dependency files like an icon get installed prior to the files depending on them like .desktop | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I only wish I could bother to investigate this enough for opening a ticket against it | 18:01 |
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| compengi | DocScrutinizer, yeah, it's annoying | 18:04 |
| compengi | i don't remember this before cssu update | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compengi: it's a race and always been there (always assuming my explanation holds some truth) | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nevertheless we might be able to fix ^^^this in cssu, no? | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just add a usleep(5000000) after the inotify callback, in whatever does that icon cache update | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon-desktop? | 18:08 |
| * GAN900 yawns. | 18:09 | |
| GAN900 | Have I missed anything interesting? | 18:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer reyawns | 18:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless I missed it too ;-D | 18:09 |
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| * MohammadAG reads | 18:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, to whom it may concern: SHR got call audio semi-working on N900 | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's not related to the CSSU | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually a matter of days rather than months now | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | it happened ever since PR1.1 removed the gtk-icon cache script | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's well understood | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | <compengi> i don't remember this before cssu update | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nevertheless we could *fix* it in cssu | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | true | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make that a usleep(15000000) | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | just to be on safe side of fence | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | even better: "batch" it (means only start the icon cache update when CPU load drops to a level indicating HAM/apt is done) | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, the sleep is quite probably just 'nifty' enough | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a nice one-liner patch | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | while batching might get awkward to do | 18:20 |
| n900-dk | How come Sociality can start so quickly, when I click the icon? It pops up immediately. When I start it from terminal it takes a little before I see it | 18:21 |
| trx | it would be better to implement it in HAM | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if update-icon-cache is a spwned process, you could lower prio (aka nice) of it to be below that of apt-worker | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: fake, and mirrors ;-P | 18:22 |
| trx | n900-dk it loads an image first afaik | 18:22 |
| trx | or w/e | 18:22 |
| n900-dk | but it runs the same command from shortcut as from terminal, right? | 18:22 |
| trx | probably | 18:23 |
| trx | check the .desktop file for more info | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's this unbearable "show a screenshot" default behaviour of PR1.3 hildon, which I'd love to kill all together on my system | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | he knows better about the right names, and how it's working exactly | 18:25 |
| n900-dk | ok thanks, just wondering, maybe Sociality was running in the background or something :) | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | <n900-dk> How come Sociality can start so quickly, when I click the icon? It pops up immediately. When I start it from terminal it takes a little before I see it | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, hildon has a dir with screenshots | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | I fake startup, iPhone-style | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | well, hildon-desktop does, I just found a way to do it in Qt apps :p | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, make /home/user/.cache/launch non-writable | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | then delete all pvrs in it | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | pvr was the friggin buzzword | 18:28 |
| trx | hmm | 18:28 |
| trx | MohammadAG maybe that could be used as a splash screen? | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it IS a splashscreen | 18:28 |
| trx | oh, its like that | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | just it's a friggin "autogenerated" screenshot | 18:29 |
| trx | makes more sense to why it exists :) | 18:30 |
| trx | i allways found it rather stupid.. | 18:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer is pondering to imagemagic -dim 50% *.pvr | 18:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so you at least can tell there's no use to click like a fool on settings screen, as it's only the splash and you need to wait another 3s | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: it's definitely stupid | 18:32 |
| trx | 50% dim is actually good idea | 18:33 |
| trx | or whatever effect | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | superinpose a stinky finger ;-P | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | That's not a bad idea, except making it configurable would be better | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | also more robust as multiple processing doesn't change an already processed image | 18:34 |
| n900-dk | Does powerkernel eat more battery, even when overclocking is not enabled? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | while multiple dim50 would result in a black screen eventually | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not per se | 18:35 |
| n900-dk | cool | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are some quirks that may affect your battery management and cpu load, which show up as soon as you do certain things only possible on PK though | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | like modprobe bq27200 | 18:37 |
| n900-dk | IPv6 one of them? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | potentially | 18:37 |
| trx | or do dim 100% | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-P | 18:37 |
| trx | then do -10% over few seconds | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: you are thinking of pvr. and about dynamic effects. I suggested a onetime processing of *.pvr, as that's easy to implement with a initscript | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | <trx> MohammadAG maybe that could be used as a splash screen? | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | in PSFreedom I implemented it as "PSFreedom is loading, please wait..." | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | rather than a fake startup | 18:39 |
| trx | ill have a look at that | 18:40 |
| trx | DocScrutinizer yeah good point | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | could anybody find me a gfx tool available on maemo, to superimpose something into those *.pvr? | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a PVR I created externally | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=837973#post837973 | 18:40 |
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| trx | lol @ post date | 18:41 |
| trx | 10-10-10 | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | says 10-11-10 for me :P | 18:43 |
| trx | 23:48 | 18:44 |
| trx | i am in GMT+1 | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG | GMT +3 here | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | (well, +2 +1 DST) | 18:46 |
| trx | well that explains it then :) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | to the point (pvr): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1001784#post1001784 | 18:47 |
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| compengi | anyone here uses maemo sdk on gentoo? | 18:49 |
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| BigWookie | hi, i know this sounds ridicolos but any advice to kernel debugging on a n900? | 18:50 |
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| jacekowski | don't do it | 18:51 |
| BigWookie | I use uboot to boot from mmc and try to run webos, the kernel starts but at a certain stage it hangs and flashes the display | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how would I *edit* *.pvrs? | 18:52 |
| jacekowski | BigWookie: well, you would have to connect to debug ports under the battery | 18:53 |
| BigWookie | okay, so best thing is forget about the whole thing ;_; | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel debugging without a serial console working from very start is rather hard | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why OM shipped debug board with Neo | 18:55 |
| BigWookie | :/ yeah | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what a format are those *.pvr? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | special? | 18:56 |
| rd | I compiled navit myself and the menu icon disappeared. Can somebody tell, where it should be located? | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, PowerVR | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | I found no way to make them outside hildon-desktop | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | besides the iPhone SDK I think, though I never tried that | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf PowerVR? o.O | 18:58 |
| trx | rd opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/* | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | PVR = PowerVR image | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of it | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's used extensively on iOS | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh!!! :-/ | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | kinda like PNGs, except they're accelerated by the SGX | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | though the quality of them is like 24-bit BMPs tbh | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so is there any converter pvr-> <any-sane-common-format> ? | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather your pvr-creator is just converting png -> pvr, but not the other way round | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's just taking a screenshot of the window using libhildon's methods | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, whatever the source | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you add a function to manipulate the resulting pvr? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | like superimposing some png? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply dimming | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dimming should be rather simple | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | lemme point you to the function | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, go ahead | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | Ah, gaffer's tape is the best | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | No more rattlin' Lenovo battery. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then, wait a minute, the friggin pvr for e.g settings is autogenerated by hildon, no pvr-creator involved at all | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-home.c#line1031 | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's a hildon-desktop function | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | all devs can add it into apps | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to tweak it | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | my app just sets the image you provide as a background then takes a screenshot | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that all is awkward for my purpose. I simply want to *edit* the *.pvr files, no matter who created them | 19:07 |
| rd | why is /opt needed, why is /usr/share/icons/hicolor/* not ok? | 19:08 |
| rd | http://pastebin.ca/2060493 | 19:08 |
| rd | seems marble uses just /usr, no opt... | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 19:09 |
| infobot | from memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | don't use /opt | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | use /usr/share/icons directly, the folder is optified anyways | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, don't think it's possible | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | rd: | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -ld /usr/share/icons | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2010-06-23 06:03 /usr/share/icons -> /opt/usr/share/icons | 19:10 |
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| rd | Thanks, DocScrutinizer | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so aiui I need to exploit the hildon function that loads that friggin pvr to screen, then take a screenshot to get a proper format image, edit that with whatver tool I find, and feed the result to pvr-creator | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burrrp* | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | there are apps to edit PVR images, but they seem to need parts of the iPhone SDK or Mac OS X | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, sure | 19:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders about gimp | 19:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if gimp can't edit pvr, then doomsday | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: couldn't you add that 'tiny bit of additional functionality' to pvr-creator? :-D | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite a few users would adore that option to call `pvr-creator --edit "dim50" ~user/.cache/launch/*.pvr` on sysinit | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pvr-creator --edit "exec:gimp --foo --bar %file%" ~user/.cache/launch/*.pvr | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I think you need the actual hardware | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd even contribute the script to avoid multiple processing of same *.pvg | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | ie a PowerVR | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | or not, it works in the maemo 5 sdk | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll rewrite it in Qt/C++, my Gtk skills suck | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never thuoght about running this on my laptop ;-D | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a true maemo app | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | called pvr-splashscreen-stamper | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | well, Qt allows easy image manipulation | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka settings-nosuck | 19:27 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, from which APIs, and are they available directly from qml? | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, provide whatever you find easy to implement: superimpose another png, blurr, dim... | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm almost fine with all of that, as long as it makes for clearly distinguishable pvr "splashs" | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | my only alternative was to create a (identical) *.pvr from a "SUCKS" image, for all apps using that *.pvr shit | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or completely killing it the way you suggested | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/"SUCKS"/"LOADING... please wait"/. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | this screenshot fake is so utterly silly and annoying | 19:33 |
| n900-dk | +1 | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even worse, takes up some more time on app-start | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd accept this additional 0.5s when I get a proper feedback. But definitely not for getting fooled by the settings-syndrome | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MAAAN, this pissed me so many times. And now (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1001784#post1001784) I learn I'm not the only one | 19:36 |
| n900-dk | Please fix DocScrutinizer ;) | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm unfixable fubar | 19:37 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, they should do what Apple does. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, what is it that apple does? | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | What Jaffa proposed years ago. | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | When the application opens it shows the widget outlines. | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | Then fills them in when it actually opens. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I proposed last millenium ;-P | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: well, another nice way of saying "this is a splash screen" | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be happy with blurr or dim as well | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | way easier to implement, though of course is missing the coolness factor of apple | 19:41 |
| GAN900 | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa?blog=6&page=1&paged=5 | 19:42 |
| GAN900 | Improving Application Startup Mockup | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: my suggestion some 30 min ago been quite along that line | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: and seems MohammadAG bitten | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, not sure about QML, but QPixmap and QImage are very interesting | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, are you sure it takes more time? | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it doesn't | 19:44 |
| n900-dk | hmm, wonders why I suddenly have no catalogs in HAM.. | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: loading an image from eMMC takes some CPU cycles that aren't available for app startup | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not much, but definitely some | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | those 0.5s were straight from my ass though | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know my ass has good numbers most of the times | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there might be a way to dim the pvr, rather than edit each one | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | but this requires a modded hildon-desktop | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH!!! go for it!! | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure I'm C-skilled enough | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a true cssu improvement | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though.... It will take even more time, for doing something over and over again that could easily get applied to the *.pvr once and done | 19:51 |
| n900-dk | Is there a way to prefer specific connections over another? I have an MMS APN, and the device shouldn't autoconnect to this APN | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so while it sounds cute, it actually seems the inferior design from a optimization and system performance PoV | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, C skills you have I am in no doubt | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: there is, but I lost the link. You need to edit some weird stuff in connection manager config files or sth | 19:54 |
| lcuk | C in specific libraries and APIs are usually more difficult to remember and know | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's always the api and libs - c is simple | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | well, the image is a ClutterActor | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | so if there's a way to dim that... | 19:55 |
| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer: ok, maybe I will find it at TMO | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah n900-dk I think it's been there | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG | think I found an easy way | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope it's also a fast way :-/ | 20:01 |
| n900-dk | oh, I could just delete the MMS APN - fMMS don't need it anymore :) | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you're talking about the pvr-creator improvement | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it uses existing code | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | from hildon-desktop | 20:01 |
| * MohammadAG compiles | 20:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | still wondering if it's a patch to hildon-desktop | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or to pvr-creator | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | h-d | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not really like the patching H-D isea | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | meh, my internal battery came loose again | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | date and time going back to 6:00 and 1/1/09 :/ | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's the more intrusive patch, makes the feature non-optional to install for all those using cssu, and introduces additional potential bugs for a concept that's suboptimal | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | it can be made configurable | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | but before that, it needs to work | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | => Segmentation fault | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | wile a design along an augmented pvr-creator editing *.pvr is a plain user pkg you can install and purge any time, use it on all maemo systems, and it's more resource saving | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | all of these points are knockout arguments NOT to implement it into H-D | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw DocScrutinizer | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | the loop's still running | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | I forgot about that | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's plain weird it takes 5s per iteration | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | well, dd, and it tries to gzip | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh hum, maybe you shoul've piped it, so unzip errs out on beginning of dd shuffling MBs, not first copying the whole crap then try to unzip | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dd with a blocksize of 1, well that's for sure slow ;-) | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 mio write() | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess you can kill that loop | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I'd even unzip >/dev/null) | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (H-D pvr patch) plus the idea of multiple times editing the same picture same way, for each start of app when you are interested in a fast execution and low overhead - that's really no smart design | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (you can see how my mind sometimes is changing a 180° in a short while - not always first impression is the right one) | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's a ClutterActor | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | you're not editing anything, you're just showing it dimmed | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | it's the same as dimming what's behind dialogs | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's also the reason why it takes me the longer to start on writing specs the more complex a task is - it just needs longer to evaluate all the aspects of each possible solution | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: to get just in vicinity of a on-par with the editing-.pvr concept, this H-D patch would at very least need a per-app config in .desktop | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or a config where it belongs, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm yet undecided on that | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's no general transition but a per-app startup detail | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't want to have per-app settings in transitions.ini | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | per-app things in global files always cause lots of headache | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | why per app? | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | either it affects all apps or none | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a user might want to have proper pvr for one app, dimmed pvr for second one, his own undimmed pvr-creator made custom splash on third, and plain no pvr on 4th | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If I create my own custom splash with pvr creator then I don't want this to get dimmed, though I might want dimming for all other apps | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you see the shortcoming adding up for the H-D patch concept | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | augment pvr-creator to pvr-editor, it's the way better approach | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and works on plain maemo as well ;-D | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | never patch system bits if you can achieve same (or even better, here) effect with a plain user app | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | development is not about simplicity of implementation | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or more precise, simplicity is a criterion after best approach has been selected | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact a simple suboptimal approach has killed off any work on the optimal one so many times | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | kulve: I'm going to reflash now, and then I'll retry ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a recent example see how lis3lv02.ko module botch upstream completely blocks any proper implementation of a lis302dl driver going upstream, as "there is already a driver for that" | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | better partially implement a complicated but wel designed concept, than have a simple-to-implement botch nicely done so nobody ever will touch it again | 20:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 20:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably already too late :-/ | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...and another bleeding edge patch to cssu that's neither needed nor tested nor discussed, and probably will give us another step away from cssu-stable | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e. more possible bugs | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: cssu has no team that wants to push it towards -stable | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | evidently | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | too boring | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | exactly | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | implemeting a patch to dim pvr splashscreens is way more fun, and exciting | 20:43 |
| khertan | fixing that qt bugs should be the priority ! | 20:43 |
| khertan | the raster engine is too much bugged ! | 20:43 |
| lcuk | khertan, how many other qt bugs should be prioritised? | 20:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer declares cssu lethaly sick | 20:44 | |
| khertan | lcuk: i count 2 | 20:44 |
| merlin1991 | hm how long does it usually take to boot after a flash? | 20:44 |
| khertan | lcuk : the one which prevent qt hildon widget to works, and the qt18720 | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | I'm looking at the dots for qutie some time now and beginning to worry | 20:45 |
| khertan | lcuk: at the least this are the both that i found blocking | 20:45 |
| khertan | lcuk: and i didn' t found where it s come from | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: might take minutes | 20:45 |
| khertan | lcuk: i ve even try to uncommit many git commit without success | 20:46 |
| khertan | lcuk: at least for the shift click selection bug, we have a patch | 20:46 |
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| kuzew | Hello, has anyone attempted to mount maemo's rootfs on nitdroid? I'm trying to fix a multiboot item so I can get back into maemo | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh *eg* | 20:51 |
| kuzew | the multiboot rescue shell works, but I can't type in any special chars14] | 20:52 |
| kuzew | [#maemo] ell works, but I can't type in any special chars | 20:52 |
| kuzew | err | 20:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer wishes he got a € for each "multiboot issue" | 20:52 | |
| kuzew | the rescue shell works, sorta | 20:52 |
| n900-dk | does nitroid have landscape mode? | 20:52 |
| kuzew | n900-dk: yeah | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck nitdroid | 20:53 |
| kuzew | hey, I was only playing with it | 20:53 |
| kuzew | I want to go back to maemo! :P | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, they were playing with you ;-P | 20:53 |
| n900-dk | but no phone yet? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they played evel prank on you, as it seems it's impossible to uninstall nitdroid | 20:54 |
| kuzew | n900-dk: no phone yet, I can't even read the sim card correctly | 20:54 |
| n900-dk | damit | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reflash | 20:54 |
| kuzew | yeah, I'm fearing I'd have to do that... :/ | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I haven't heard of a single recover from borked mutiboot | 20:55 |
| kuzew | If Android has the jffs2 kernel module, I'd be able to mount the partition to fix my mutliboot item | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nitdroid dudes are happy when you get THEIR system to run. Don't care at all about concurrent alternative OS or even uninstalling nitdroid (and multiboot) | 20:56 |
| kuzew | it's funny, I can mount my home and opt (ext3 and vfat) fine | 20:56 |
| kuzew | hmm, not cool | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubifs | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not jffs2 | 20:57 |
| kuzew | oh? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 20:57 |
| kuzew | it's ubifs+jffs2 I think | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's that? | 20:59 |
| kuzew | hmm, I'm confused now | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, like all nitdroid devels | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:59 |
| kuzew | haha | 20:59 |
| kuzew | you're right DocScrutinizer | 20:59 |
| kuzew | ubifs | 21:00 |
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| kuzew | the flasher doesn't have anyway to dump the rootfs image, right? | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | multiboot is *EVIL* and deprecated, as it breaks/conflicts with any other normal action of kernel, like installing powerkernel, updating stock kernel, adding uBoot for meego, you name it | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you can't dump rootfs via flasher (unless there's a hidden cmdline option for that) | 21:02 |
| kuzew | heh, right then | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *could* dump the raw NAND image under nitdroid | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe even loopmount that dumpfile via ubifs later | 21:03 |
| kuzew | yeah, I was just looking into that | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | of curse if friggin nitridiot supports mounting ubifs, that'd be even better | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, curse - yeah :-P | 21:05 |
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| kuzew | I'm working with the android debug bridge, likes to crap out a lot, I'm even surprised to see it working | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfi | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could as well tell me about win-P7 secret registry tunes ;-) | 21:06 |
| kuzew | I don't run windows | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't run google | 21:06 |
| kuzew | heh, otherwise you could find out where I am and what I search for the most... | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | just heard they invented new craplocks there, while all the sane unix world tries to get rid of *locks as much as possible ;-D | 21:08 |
| kuzew | hah | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait... wastelocks? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah wakelocks | 21:09 |
| kuzew | oh now I get it | 21:10 |
| kuzew | haha | 21:10 |
| kuzew | yeah, the big kernel lock was removed a few revs ago | 21:10 |
| kuzew | # cat /proc/wakelocks | 21:12 |
| kuzew | yep! still there | 21:12 |
| kuzew | now, time to figure out which /dev/mtd I can dump | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://lwn.net/Articles/319860/ (<-wakelocks) | 21:14 |
| kuzew | yeah, I was just reading that :P | 21:14 |
| merlin1991 | kulve: I reflashed the n900 | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | installed extra decoders from -devel | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | and 1.0.7 works just fine | 21:15 |
| kuzew | damn, I wish the power47 kernel update didn't remove my uboot | 21:18 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you need some *locks | 21:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: to make sure that other thread isn't messing up your memory | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure, like mutex. But I don't like fakelocks | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I don't like andridiot | 21:22 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well implementation is other thing | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, adridiot's wakelocks are definitely wrong | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I want to protect my embedded device against runaway processes, I get some ulimits, quotas, and OOMd and busy-process-killer-daemon | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | we discussed that at Openmoko several times (particularly me and raster) | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSO has a resource "CPU" that you can allocate | 21:26 |
| n900-dk | MohammadAG: How come Sociality isn't named Sociality? | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you think you need BS like dsme to auto-restart segfaulting processes, then that DSME as well needs to handle CPU resource, to avoid system suspending when such a supervised app segfaults | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and maemo evidently obviously doesn't need any such things like wakelocks, CPU resource and suspend-to-ram, as SmartReflex and a proper driver design handle power just nicely | 21:30 |
| kuzew | that I agree with | 21:31 |
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| kuzew | SmartReflex doesn't work for me though | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so all it'd need in e.g. maemo to achieve a fool-app proof thing was a kind of automatic powertop killing runaway apps | 21:32 |
| kuzew | then again, I just hit a checkbox, so I don't know what they are doing is proper | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | kuzew: what you think of is just a little part of the whole SR thing | 21:33 |
| kuzew | SR? | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smartreflex | 21:33 |
| kuzew | ah | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SR is a bunch of measures to minimize system power consumption. Most of them are on a chip level and can't get switched on/off | 21:35 |
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| kuzew | ah, I didn't read the ARM docs | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | others are for example suspending of particular subsystems when not in use, like the ULPI bus from CPU to MUSB core USB controller | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the /sys/*/smartreflex is only about the voltage regulators *automatic* adjustment via a dedicated I2C connection to CPU | 21:37 |
| kuzew | ah | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you still can adjust the voltages 'manually', i.e. via software, which maemo (kernel) is doing. AFAIK | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | other aspects of whole SR are not at all affected | 21:39 |
| kuzew | I was going to ask, but yeah | 21:39 |
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| kuzew | Hmm, ULPI is neat | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and it's from MUSB to PHY, not to CPU. I was wrong there, that's in fact yet another bus that has its own suspend control | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and this is one of the features of SR: fine grained suspend/power control for subsystems | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so suspending whole system like adridiot does is a rather awkward thing | 21:44 |
| kuzew | yeah, I see that a _LOT_ in dmesg | 21:44 |
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| kuzew | does the OMAP/DSP also have a sleep state you can put it in? | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:45 |
| kuzew | rather, is it being used? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet it is | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | _everything_ has a sleep state. | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though that's quite probably burried inside the closed drivers for DSP | 21:46 |
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| kuzew | yuck, they are closed as well? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, DSP lib is closed | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not the kernel/sys api though, I'd guess | 21:47 |
| kuzew | yeah, I'd think that would be open, the drivers I would understand being closed | 21:47 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I saw on oe some dsp bios stuff, but I was told at the same time that the DSP side was proprietary | 21:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | basically there are some CPU side FLOSS stuff | 21:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | for instance gst-dsp | 21:48 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | but personally I prefer the CPU | 21:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | the CPU reads more formats | 21:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | maybe it consumes more battery tough | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And uses more power | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not - so - important if you have the screen at maximum. | 21:49 |
| kuzew | DSP can be more efficient at times, depending what you are doing | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | But at minimum brightness it makes quite a difference. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | DSP bridge: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | DSP is not per se better on power conservation. It's simply faster on some special tasks | 21:51 |
| kuzew | yes | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | DSP easily might eat more power when idling than the CPU | 21:51 |
| kuzew | you'd hope it be in a sleep state then | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the topic we just discussed | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you should't expect e.g. mp3-playback via DSP to be always better on power than doing same thing via CPU | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | should *not* | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | IMO, you probably should, if you are just asking about mp3 decoding. | 21:56 |
| kuzew | welll | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And not streaming to the DAC | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | That reminds me - I meant to look at the functional block diagram, and find out if the DMA unit can stay awake without the CPU core, DMAing a decoded raw audio to the DAC | 21:57 |
| kuzew | you mean DMAed into the DSP then to the DAC | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the DSP can decode your whole song in 0.4s while CPU takes 3s for that. But then the DSP keeps eating power for the rest of the song, pushing bytes out the DAC, while CPU could sleep most of the time, or even offload to a DMA and sleep all of the time | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - if the DSP can be used to decode - say - 3s of audio, and go back to sleep, and then the CPU setup DMA to push this to the speakers, go back to sleep, and wakeup when there is .5s later | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | .5s left, and repeat | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that'd maybe the optimum, depending on how much better DSP is, compared to the overhead in CPU setting it up and moving data around | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | where 3 may be 30 | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a non trivial evaluation | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'd finally have to implement both concepts and compare | 22:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not really. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'if it can DMA it out to the DAC' is a clear winner if it's the CPU or the DSP doing it | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | the rest is a matter of question. | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:03 |
| kulve | merlin1991: ok, good to know | 22:03 |
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| haj | annoying.. my N900 seems to loose contact with the SIM all the time... I tried cleaning the connectors but it doesn't seem to help... | 22:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | haj: Same here - I need to return it for warranty. It is a known failure mode apparantly. | 22:25 |
| haj | uhm... mine is out of warranty... wonder if it's an expensive fix.. | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that it's a simple fix. | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I would quite like to know what's wrong. | 22:28 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: when did yours start doing it? | 22:29 |
| haj | did you try another sim? | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | haj: umm... hangon | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | At least last august | 22:32 |
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| haj | annoying... | 22:36 |
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| davide | hello | 22:36 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: does your phone also keep asking you for the PIN-code? Mine did that the other day, but now it seems it just looses contact for a few sec. and then it works again.. | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | No | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never set a pin. | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haj: check syslog/dmesg | 22:53 |
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| wazd | woo, congats finns :) | 23:42 |
| wazd | oooooh | 23:44 |
| achipa | they're really on fire | 23:46 |
| wazd | humiliation :) | 23:47 |
| sp3000 | well now I feel bad for fasth | 23:49 |
| sp3000 | that like totally messes up his avg | 23:49 |
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| moo__ | good evening | 23:50 |
| moo__ | riddle me this | 23:50 |
| moo__ | why does power kernel cause 1000 wakeups/second | 23:51 |
| moo__ | where as stock only causes 300/s? | 23:51 |
| moo__ | this was tested on a freshly flashed device | 23:52 |
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| moo__ | son of a bitch | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Pastebin. | 23:55 |
| moo__ | its blood! | 23:55 |
| moo__ | Who wrote the pastebinnit in devel? | 23:55 |
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| moo__ | ok, scratch everything I just said | 23:56 |
| piggz | does qputenv("N900_PORTRAIT_SENSORS", "1"); work for a qml app? it doesnt seem to be | 23:56 |
| moo__ | just ran another powertop and got the longest sleep time I have ever seen | 23:56 |
| moo__ | 2957ms! | 23:57 |
| moo__ | not even offline mode! | 23:57 |
| achipa | piggz: which mobility are you using ? | 23:59 |
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| piggz | achipa: 1.1 | 23:59 |
| achipa | i don't think anything prior to 1.2 final has that tweak... | 23:59 |
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