IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-05-14

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djszapiSpeedEvil: however it is not mounted according to the "mount" output.00:00
DocScrutinizerbut that might change on PR1.0 when no uSD is inserted00:00
DocScrutinizeror a defect one00:00
djszapiI am guessing the /home/user/MyDocs is the memory then00:00
DocScrutinizer(rename bug)00:00
DocScrutinizerMyDocs is the largest part of eMMC00:01
djszapibut not in this case, just in normal case00:01
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djszapi"eeh?" ?00:02
DocScrutinizersorry you lost me00:02
djszapiSpeedEvil: do you have any idea how to fix this issue ?00:03
DocScrutinizerif you'd a bit more precisely explain the issue, it would help00:03
djszapiwhat is not clear ?00:04
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DocScrutinizere.g if you see both mmcblk0* and mmcblk1* in output of mount, and what exactly they show00:05
djszapiofc I do not see.00:05
djszapias I said above00:05
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DocScrutinizerev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext300:08
DocScrutinizerso your eMMC seems to work on a hw level00:08
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DocScrutinizerbut I don't see neither MyDocs nor the uSD00:09
DocScrutinizertbh it looks like a system in mass storage mode00:11
vi__docscrutinizer, where can i find a list that details the numbers of all the interrupts.00:11
djszapihowever it is not00:11
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil's suggestion to reboot was a reasonable one00:11
DocScrutinizerthen watch dmesg output if there are any errors00:11
djszapiit happened almost 1000 times in the last months00:11
djszapialso after that saying tbh00:11
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DocScrutinizeryou *might* try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk* devices00:11
djszapivery fragile system /me sighs sighs00:11
DocScrutinizeryou *might* try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk0p1 particularly devices00:11
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: PR1.0 is obsolete like hell, and should've been updated since like a year or so00:12
djszapiwho cares about update, if the pdfreader is supposed to work on that00:13
djszapiI do not need the bleding edge features, just a simple pdf read...00:13
DocScrutinizerhell, PR1.0 wasn't even optified00:13
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DocScrutinizeryeah, and odds are the pdf viewing process opens a 200MB file in /tmp, then you're screwed on PR1.000:14
djszapiand as said, I do not have time for it at the airport, anyway00:14
merlin1991hell I remember the first n900 I got00:14
DocScrutinizersorry, I can't help any better00:14
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merlin1991had pr1.000:14
merlin1991crashed every 20 mins00:14
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merlin1991and after a fixed amount of crashes was bricked00:14
djszapimost likely I do not even have PR1.0.....00:14
merlin1991unless you go r&d mode00:15
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: "houston, we have a problem!" ;-P00:15
merlin1991I got the n90000:15
merlin1991was uberhappy00:15
DocScrutinizerthose were the gamnes00:15
merlin1991went to university00:15
merlin1991logged in to wireless00:15
djszapifsck did not help either...00:16
merlin1991had some fun and crashes for about 1hr00:16
merlin1991and after that it didn't boot anymore00:16
merlin1991"houston, we have a problem"00:16
djszapimerlin1991: please stop using enter after each 2-3 words.00:16
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: I am afraid nobody can help you instantly right now00:16
djszapiyeah, it seems a very difficult issue to me as well.00:17
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merlin1991I even called nokia support, but they were no help at all, but I found the solution on nokia forums some time later00:17
DocScrutinizerindeed, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see somebody help you out. But I think it's a hopeless case00:17
DocScrutinizerI'd suggest a full reflash00:17
djszapiVersion: 20.2010.36-200:18
DocScrutinizerbut that obviously doesn't help you right now00:18
merlin1991djszapi: that would be pr 1.3 o_O00:18
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: so try to mount it00:18
djszapitry to mount what into where ?00:19
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p1 into /home/user/MyDocs00:19
djszapimount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument00:20
DocScrutinizerfrom 'mount': /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat00:20
DocScrutinizerls -l /dev/mmcblk0*00:20
DocScrutinizerdo you see that device at all?00:21
DocScrutinizerls -l /dev/mmcblk*00:21
DocScrutinizermhm good enough00:22
djszapia laptop is very unhandy without a mouse00:22
DocScrutinizerls -l /hoem/user/M*00:22
DocScrutinizerls -l /home/user/M*00:22
djszapithat is the MyDocs00:22
djszapiand its content00:22
djszapimount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/00:23
djszapimount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument00:23
DocScrutinizerwell, that's your eMMC content then00:23
DocScrutinizershould be00:23
djszapimost likely not00:23
djszapisince emmc is not mounted00:23
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# df -h /home/user/MyDocs/00:24
DocScrutinizerDateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf00:24
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p1         28G   21G  6,6G  76% /home/user/MyDocs00:24
djszapiso you are from Germany, nice to know, that is00:24
djszapiI am heading to Berlin ;)00:24
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: as you see in the output of mount more times, it is the memory card00:25
djszapithe emmc is not mounted at all00:25
DocScrutinizer   17.339660] mmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 000100:26
DocScrutinizer[   17.358123] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB00:26
DocScrutinizer[   17.358459]  mmcblk1: p1 p2 p300:26
DocScrutinizerthere's a confusion about names of mmcblk0 vs mmcblk100:27
DocScrutinizerthey get swapped during boot eventually00:27
djszapiso what ?00:27
cehteh\o/ nokia00:27
DocScrutinizer/proc/partitons shows my uSD:  179        0   15663104 mmcblk0   --  and my eMMC:  179        9   28315648 mmcblk1p100:29
GAN900 /o\ Nokia00:29
djszapiokay, so what ?00:29
DocScrutinizerNB mount says different00:29
djszapiidea for a fix ?00:29
djszapior workaround ?00:29
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DocScrutinizerdf -h /home/user/MyDocs/00:29
djszapiyou got it.00:30
djszapisorry, hard to type without mouse, that is why it is hard to repeat :)00:31
DocScrutinizerohh missed that00:31
djszapiit is not arrogance or something like that00:31
DocScrutinizerit's not mounted, definitely00:31
djszapiit is not.00:31
djszapiI wonder why not.00:31
DocScrutinizerme too00:31
DocScrutinizerespecially I don't get it why mount barfs00:31 is odd....00:31
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djszapiit is not even in the /etc/fstab...00:32
djszapianyway, memory card or emmc, should not actually matter....I mean the pdfviewer should be capable to open both...00:33
djszapihowever the settings/memory writes that my memory card is corrupted.00:33
djszapino clue why00:34
djszapiDocScrutinizer: how about your /etc/fstab/ ?00:34
djszapiit is not a folder, that is just a typo :)00:34
DocScrutinizerI'm starting to shoot blind now, on your own peril: ke-recv-test m; ke-recv-test ej00:34
djszapimh ?00:35
DocScrutinizerfstab: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 000:35
djszapiwhat about that line ?00:36
DocScrutinizerfstab is generated dynamically on boottime00:36
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DocScrutinizerif it's missing in yours, it means something went wrong during boot00:36
djszapiwell, I gave you the dmesg output.00:36
DocScrutinizer:nod: but it's been a bit lengthy to scan each single line00:37
djszapianyway, why cannot I mount it "manually" now as a hackaround ?00:37
DocScrutinizerI'll give it a second glance now00:37
DocScrutinizertry mount with all the parameters above00:37
DocScrutinizerthen check *end* of dmesg00:38
djszapican you give me the command ?00:38
djszapiotherwise I just modify the fstab and mount -a ...00:38
DocScrutinizermompls, don't know off top of my head either00:38
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DocScrutinizerfair enough, do that00:38
djszapiright, let me do it with fstab mod00:38
djszapiinvalid argument00:39
DocScrutinizeryay, you're fast :-)00:39
DocScrutinizersee at end of dmesg00:39
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DocScrutinizershould show some errors00:39
djszapicheckin soon to Berlin ;-)00:39
djszapiThank you for your time :)00:40
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DocScrutinizergood luck00:40
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DocScrutinizerand have a nice flight00:41
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if /home is r/o and needs a fsck.ext300:43
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: just an idea: remove uSD and reboot00:44
Papayawhipwhoo my LiveView is working with Maemo \m/00:44
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: the ogg-support issue is getting weird00:44
merlin1991I reupgraded to 1.0.7 and it works00:45
merlin1991need to find out why00:45
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: seen my comment about dbus-send in postrm?00:46
merlin1991saw it, the difference is, last time I upgraded via ham, this time ssh as root00:46
DocScrutinizerit breaks exactly when you try to rm the pkg (or update, for that behalf, I guess) vie apt-get in a true rootsh, or via fapman00:47
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merlin1991last time I upgraded with ham, and it did break :/00:48
merlin1991kulve: ping00:48
DocScrutinizeryeah, so odds are you only think you updated to 1.0.7 but actually it errored out on postrm of 1.0.6 this time00:48
merlin1991nope this time I used a ssh session00:49
merlin1991and apt-get00:49
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: try apt-get foo bar00:49
merlin1991rebooting atm00:49
DocScrutinizerapt may even tell you you got 1.0.7 installed ind still you have the old 1.0.6 still00:50
merlin1991ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't referenced by 1.0.700:50
merlin1991s/referenced/depended on/00:50
infobotmerlin1991 meant: ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't depended on by 1.0.700:50
DocScrutinizeryou only can tell for sure by looking at the binary you meant to install, I guess00:50
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merlin1991ah yes, removed the leftover dependencies and it broke00:51
DocScrutinizeraiui apt-get install first runs postrm of ld version, then preinstall of new one00:51
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DocScrutinizerif postrm breaks due to dbus-send throwing error, you're quite screwed00:52
merlin1991btw if I remove a gstreamer package, do I have to reboot to make sure it isn't loaded to mem somewhere, or can I assume it is / use some command towards gstreamer00:53
DocScrutinizerwouldn't dare to guess :-)00:53
merlin1991rebuilding tracker db atm00:54
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merlin1991maybe I reduce the amount of media files on the n900 while I do that testing00:55
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: tracker* runs as user. You can change perms of dir00:58
merlin1991cd /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds && mkdir .temp && mv * .temp00:59
merlin1991does it too00:59
merlin1991tracker doesn't check in "hidden" folders00:59
DocScrutinizerwell, when you do it as root, then sure00:59
merlin1991I got rid of my album art that way00:59
DocScrutinizerdefinitely tracker checks a lot of hidden folders00:59
merlin1991(album art in fotos)00:59
merlin1991I moved all the album art into the .mediaartlocal folders01:00
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DocScrutinizer.images, .sounds, .videos01:01
DocScrutinizerall typical dirs for tracker to index01:01
merlin1991they are in the tracker config explecitely named afaik01:01
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DocScrutinizerchown root:root MyDocs/.sounds01:02
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DocScrutinizerchmod go-rwx .sounds01:03
merlin1991# List of directory roots to index and watch (separator=;)01:03
DocScrutinizeris a safe way01:03
DocScrutinizerprobably yours wors as well01:03
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DocScrutinizerthough there seems a diff between watchdirs and indexed dirs01:04
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DocScrutinizerwhatever, I fsckd my tracker by messing with those settings01:05
merlin1991I'm in a manual reboot loop atm01:05
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DocScrutinizerI'm in too-late-for-breakfast, too-early for-yawning mode (and I'm yawning like a dog)01:06
cehtehmanual reboot loop? .. lol :)01:06
merlin1991cehteh: remove 1 package reboot check, repeat01:07
DocScrutinizerhow often do you weigh to find the light screw out of 128?01:08
merlin1991and there are about 15 packages apt marks as to be removed when upgrading from 1.0.6 to 1.0.7 but after you do that falc's dead01:08
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merlin1991fu doc ;)01:09
merlin1991ShadowJK: flac01:10
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: my suggestion wasn't correct. It's based on a false assumption of only one object to find in the crowd01:12
merlin1991I'm actually starting to get the idea where the problem might come from01:12
DocScrutinizerodds are there are more than one file spoiling the game01:12
merlin1991have to look at postinst of ogg-support 1.0.7 and postrm of gstreamer0.10-flac01:13
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: eager to earn the title today? :-)01:13
merlin1991my bet is01:14
merlin1991that 1.0.7 works just fine01:14
DocScrutinizerremoval of 1.0.6 fails01:14
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merlin1991since gstreamer-flac stays around not depended on, so it gets removed later on, it propbably removes the the file type / mime association then01:15
DocScrutinizerso 1.0.7 can't install correctly01:15
merlin1991that's be hilarious01:15
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merlin1991a race condition in the install process since it switched package names01:15
merlin1991"race" in a broader sense here :P01:16
DocScrutinizerkulve will owe you a booze eve01:16
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# find /var -name '*mime*'01:19
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac *01:21
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac *|wc -l01:21
DocScrutinizerogg-support.postinst:   /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg01:23
DocScrutinizerogg-support.postrm:     /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg01:23
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merlin1991that's on the wrong package level though01:23
merlin1991since at the point of 1.0.7 working ogg-support 1.0.7 is already installed01:24
merlin1991it only breaks later on when I remove the packages not longer depended on01:24
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DocScrutinizerdecoders-support.postrm:        /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d application/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/vnd.rn-realaudio -d audio/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/x-musepack01:25
DocScrutinizerogg-support.postrm:     /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg01:25
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: maybe you could test if a simple >> /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg<< fixes everything01:28
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DocScrutinizerif filemanager fails to playback .flac, then we probably need to check were the actual assignment of audio/x-flac+ogg=*.flac is done01:30
merlin1991hm I broke it completely01:30
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merlin1991now 1.0.6 doesn't work either01:30
merlin1991ah  wait01:31
merlin1991I did redowngrade01:31
merlin1991but forgot to remove the 1.0.7 new packages01:31
merlin1991wich again are not here anymore but still here01:31
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merlin1991still not working, but it's reboot time01:33
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merlin1991there has to be some way to completely reload gstreamer without rebooting :/01:33
DocScrutinizeryou should mv /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real; echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho borktest:"$@" \n/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real "$@"' >/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype01:34
DocScrutinizerstop mafw?01:34
DocScrutinizer/etc/init.d/pulsaudio reload01:35
DocScrutinizerI bet there's *some* way01:35
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DocScrutinizerbut you also want system to regenerate all the mimetype caches01:36
DocScrutinizerwhich I'm not sure it does on anything except boot01:37
merlin1991so keep the manual rebooting it is then01:38
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merlin1991okay I just learned something the hard way01:40
merlin1991tracker-processes -r as root doesn't kill the right cache01:40
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MohammadAGit deletes $HOME/.tracker/whatever01:46
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merlin1991yep, the $HOME there is the problem01:47
merlin1991btw MohammadAG does the openmediaplayer work with opening files from file manager, or is that still tbd?01:48
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: might be right - good find :-)02:04
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merlin1991okay removing tracker-extractor-flac didn't break it02:05
merlin1991going on to gstreamer0.10-flac02:06
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, tbd02:08
MohammadAGor wtf is mime type in Qt02:08
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merlin1991I had such a nice uptime on the n90002:09
merlin1991just to break it with 30 reboots today :P02:09
merlin1991tbh I can't stand the handshake nokia video anymore02:09
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cehtehmerlin1991: you can turn them off :P02:10
MohammadAGmerlin1991, replace it with the Vista/7 startup logo02:10
merlin1991for sure :D02:10
cehtehwp7? :)02:10
merlin1991random clips from q3 fragmovies would be awesome02:11
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FIQ|n900KDE "startup video" :D02:11
merlin1991FIQ|n900:  I don't even know that one02:11
MohammadAGMeeGo crashed, yay02:11
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FIQ|n900merlin1991, it's not a video, just a loading screen after logging in with KDM02:12
merlin1991MohammadAG: can it be that the current cssu takes really lowquality splashscreens?02:15
MohammadAGmerlin1991, hildon-desktop takes those02:16
merlin1991when I open the openmediaplayer, the splashscreen looks like a low quality jpeg02:16
MohammadAGand PVRs are low quality by design02:16
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merlin1991MohammadAG: "meego crashed" are you using the de version?02:39
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Proteouswhat was in it?02:50
merlin1991of it was the 10th out of 11, but still :D02:50
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merlin1991for some reason gstreamer0.10-ogg has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg in it's postrm02:50
merlin1991looked at wrong file02:50
merlin1991but it still broke after I removed gstreamer0.10-ogg02:51
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: wasn't that (has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d ) exactly what I searched for?03:10
merlin1991that was a mistake by me03:10
merlin1991looked into the wrong deb when checking03:10
merlin1991btw the issue is getting even weirder now03:10
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merlin1991I removed tracker-extractor-flac libvorbisfile3 gstreamer0.10-vorbis03:11
merlin1991tracker-extractor-vorbis gstreamer0.10-flac libvorbisenc203:11
merlin1991gstreamer0.10-theora libtheora0 libflac03:11
merlin1991then I attempted to remove gstreamer0.10-ogg03:11
merlin1991where after the reboot flac didn't work anymore03:11
merlin1991but now I installed that package again03:11
merlin1991and it still doesn't work03:11
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* merlin1991 is stating to think the he might have done a apt-get autoremove at some point that broke the device03:19
merlin1991for now I'll just revert to 1.0.6 and I'll flash as soon as I can to test that03:19
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smackpotatanything happening04:50
smackpotatin thhe maemo world04:51
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SpeedEvilNot really.04:51
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smackpotativ abanded ship im chating on a playbook04:52
smackpotatnot nearly as slick as the n81004:52
SpeedEvilIt was a beautiful dream.04:52
smackpotatno apps at all04:54
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dangergrrli'd like to read a doc on arm asm for the omap 3430, been looking around at, nothing i've gotten so far is that helpful05:17
dangergrrlstill digging05:17
SpeedEvilWhat do you mean 'arm asm for'05:17
dangergrrllike the processor reference05:17
dangergrrlinstruction set, addressing modes, etc05:18
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SpeedEvilThe general core docs are on I think05:18
dangergrrlti doesn't have a 'databook'05:18
SpeedEvilI don't recall seeing a programming databook05:18
dangergrrland the other databooks seem more like sales brocures05:18
dangergrrlso cortex A8 and A9 are multivendor references from
dangergrrl(seem to remember nvidia has cortex A8 also)05:20
SpeedEvillook up the omap 353005:20
SpeedEvilthis is the similar processor that's not 'OEM only'.05:20
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dangergrrlwas originally looking for docs for the pandaboard one(omap 4430) then decided i would like to read docs on both05:22
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dangergrrllove my n900, looking at eventually integrating an n900 into my motorcycle05:25
dangergrrler a pandaboard05:25
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dangergrrlthough dunno yet how i'll weatherproof it05:25
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cehtehthe n900 alone .. not at all05:26
cehtehbut with some protection it works well05:27
cehtehbtw you get arm docs at arm.com05:27
dangergrrlthe n900 i would not consider permamounting05:28
dangergrrlmaybe permanent velcro fuzzy side stuck to some portion the the back05:29
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cehtehchristoph made a geek pr0n box :)05:30
dangergrrlbut no, i was going to mount a pandaboard inside my fairing and use some sort of augmented reality display05:30
cehtehbad for touchscreen use .. but a car can run over it :)05:30
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cehtehi made a abs/neoprene pouch by myself, but its not weatherproof05:31
dangergrrlyes, the omap3503-hirel databook is pinouts and riming diagrams05:31
dangergrrli'll look for stuff at arm.com05:31
cehteh(well i can put it in a ziplock bag)05:31
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dangergrrli plan on taking the n900 camping with me05:31
cehtehi do so too05:31
dangergrrlmy strategy for poor weather was ziplock05:31
cehtehshould work .. just needs some more protection against rough abouse05:32
dangergrrlgonna try to get a cheap toughbook next month too05:32
cehtehthere are a lot silicone rubber pouches meanwhile05:32
dangergrrlneed something that will run madde05:32
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cehtehmy compaq 2510p (with SSD meanwhile) is quite rugged .. and much cheaper than a toughbook05:33
dangergrrli'm looking at doing some travel writing for extra income05:33
cehtehthinkpads as well05:33
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dangergrrland have some potential ideas for maperro enhancements05:33
* cehteh is amazed by monav now05:34
dangergrrlyou can get a pentium M 256M toughbook for $20005:34
cehtehi dont use mappero much anymore05:34
dangergrrlbut it's a puny pc by today's standards05:34
cehtehah yes ok05:34
dangergrrland may as well do native development as to try to use that05:34
cehtehwell i need bit more horsepower05:34
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dangergrrlthat one is too crippled for me05:35
dangergrrlmust be expandable to 4G RAM05:35
cehteh1.2Ghz Dualcore 4GB ram isnt that much too .. but that works for me05:35
cehteh(and 64 bit)05:35
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dangergrrli'm using a supercheap minitower dekstop with only 2g ram05:35
dangergrrli end up page faulting to limbo on occassion05:36
cehtehmy desktop was less powerful than my laptop for quite some time05:36
dangergrrllike 20 minutes to get to a text console from X05:36
cehtehwell and now my wife has the biggiest computer :P05:36
pigeondoes anyone remember the name of that project to run android apps under maemo? any status update?05:36
dangergrrli have a phenom 2 x4 945 8gb ram in storage... maybe05:37
cehtehalien dalvic? .. no idea about its state05:37
dangergrrlit would be neat to be able to use the google voice recognition without the rest of android05:37
dangergrrlespecially if you could use their cloud to do it :)05:38
cehtehi wonder if some vendor eventually releases an open android platform05:38
cehtehthat would be partially nice05:38
cehteh(not exactly what i want but getting closer)05:38
dangergrrlsome hacked android platforms seem to have some buzz around them05:38
dangergrrlhacked nook color are popular05:39
cehtehi dislike this jailbreaking .. i dont want to support a vendor which is nannying his users05:39
dangergrrlsadly by that view you shouldn't buy a new n900 even today05:39
cehtehvendors should become committed to open/free platforms05:40
dangergrrlnokia isn't supporting us and is discontinuing further development along these lines05:40
cehtehwell the n900 is the closest you can get currently05:40
cehteh(freerunner aside)05:40
dangergrrlthe pandaboard isn't a handheld05:40
cehtehyes i am after a smartphone/internet tablet05:41
dangergrrlbut it looks like it could end up having a free handheld spring out of it's community05:41
cehtehwell i ahve my n90005:41
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cehtehnothing else in sight which could replace it05:41
cehtehif it would die now then i take a dumb phone out of the drawer for the next time05:41
dangergrrlmy poor friend had his truck looted recently and they got his n80005:42
dangergrrlbet a pawn shop won't give the thief a thing for it05:42
dangergrrlnot a cell phone05:42
* SpeedEvil idly wonders if dx does a referral program.05:43
dangergrrli have plenty of room to mount a pandaboard on my bike05:44
dangergrrlhuge bike05:44
SpeedEvil(above was the result of believing the repair manual, and attempting to change the heater control knobs.05:46
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dangergrrli started taking lots of pictures disassembling my bike because the pics in the manual for putting it back together and inadequate05:48
dangergrrlmy bike you have to take that far apart just to0 do a normal tuneup05:49
SpeedEvilThat is a good plan, yes.05:49
SpeedEvilVideo also helps.05:49
dangergrrlwell, i would be putting it back together and my memory isn't as good as when i was 2005:49
SpeedEvilFor when you forgot to take pictures.05:49
cehtehwhen i disassemble a laptop or such you usually place the screws on a plate refering to the positions they where build in05:50
dangergrrland some of the parts are damned difficult to put back on05:50
SpeedEvilcardboard can work well too05:50
cehtehbut it sux when you thow that plate over05:50
SpeedEvildraw little diagrams05:50
SpeedEvilof the part, and put screws in the cardboard05:50
dangergrrli used to have a photomimetic memory for the insides of machine05:50
cehtehyou are not 40 yet? :)05:51
dangergrrlall things pass with time :)05:51
dangergrrli'm 4305:51
dangergrrlnot as easy as when i was young :)05:52
cehtehlook at the bright side .. years ago i could go into cinema and would remember every movie in detail .. now i can watch and enjoy them a 2nd time :P05:52
dangergrrli fall asleep watching movies05:52
dangergrrlthey are new the 4th time05:52
dangergrrli had a head injury an ever sense if i concentrate that long on one thing i sleep05:53
dangergrrlgotten better05:53
dangergrrli can usually watch an hour at a time05:54
dangergrrli've watched 8 episodes of cosmos in 2 days one at a time05:54
dangergrrlthat's 30 years old and still a good science program05:54
dangergrrlbut i swear he NEVER says: 'Billions and Billions'05:55
dangergrrlhe does use large numbers an awful lot though05:55
Psianyone using the "latitude & buzz" app?05:55
dangergrrlthe scale of the universe from small to large  is boggling05:55
dangergrrli use the lattitude app05:56
Psion n900?05:56
dangergrrlstopped working right a while back05:56
dangergrrlnot tried recently05:56
Psiyeah, it says it cant find my friends list05:56
Psiwas wondering if anyone knew what the problem was05:56
dangergrrli think last time i tried it worked05:56
dangergrrli'm gonna do my own geoloc sharing solution i think05:57
dangergrrli have a friendly server05:57
dangergrrllatitude would be great if it allowed control to the level that picasa does05:57
dangergrrlsometimes i *want* my location to be public to anyone who knows the url05:58
dangergrrlsometimes i want only friends05:58
dangergrrlsometimes i want only some friends05:58
dangergrrli have a broken package on my n900 and haven't bothered debugging to fix spkg05:59
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dangergrrli know fixing it starts with dpkg --pending --reconfigure05:59
dangergrrland then i think if i reinstall the one that starts the huge cascade of failure i should be able to fix it06:00
dangergrrltoo much like qwork06:00
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djszapimorning DocScrutinizer08:32
djszapiI got stucked in Riga, Latvia, currently in a "Coffee Buffet" and all of us are waiting for the airline to provide a flight to Berlin.08:33
djszapiI can try to remove the uSD and reboot.08:33
djszapithere will be no other choice than the emmc then, good idea :)08:33
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, btw, I just went over the hotswap thread again11:16
MohammadAGI forgot to say that hotswapping the sim works in the same way11:16
MohammadAGjust put the device into offline mode before doing it11:16
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swebmeamo project is going on ?12:14
SpeedEvilsweb: No.12:15
sweb SpeedEvil, why Nokia do this ?12:15
sweball platform going to Linux, Nokia going on Windows mobile !?!12:15
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jacekowskisweb: because linux sucks12:49
jacekowskion desktop linux has still same problems as it had 5 years ago12:50
jacekowskigraphics and sound12:50
sweb jacekowski, yeah companies wants to tell you, you are our slave, follow us12:51
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jacekowskino, linux just sucks13:03
jacekowskiif nobody can fix same problem for 5 years then what is the point13:03
chxjacekowski: come on, we have added power management and wifi since to the problem list :p13:05
chxjacekowski: with a product lifecycle measured in months who would bother writing drivers for an obscure OS?13:06
jacekowskiit's just that i sort of help people sometimes on one of ubuntu channels13:06
jacekowskiand people have same problems as they used to have 5 years ago13:06
nid0tbh most of those are probably the same problems they had 10 years ago on debian, suse, and redhat13:07
chxwish there was a solution13:07
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sweb jacekowski, what's your problem exactly ?13:08
robbiethe1stErm... to be fair, I'm playing TF2 via Wine on my Linux desktop right now... and getting 40+fps at 1920x1080, 4x AA.///13:08
robbiethe1stand perfect sound13:08
jacekowskisince i moved to windows i have no problems13:08
chxsweb: that noone writes even remotely proper drivers on Linux13:08
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jacekowskichx: well, nvidia makes proper drivers13:08
jacekowskichx: but ubuntu people instead of packaging them in user friendly way decided to go noveau way13:09
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chxjacekowski: very honest question. Not a jab. Malware? I have no idea of the malware situation on newer Windows versions13:09
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nid0malware's not hard to avoid.13:09
swebchx, wifi cards or etc ?13:09
jacekowskichx: well, thing is that most of malware is using bugs in 3rd party apps13:09
jacekowskichx: like firefox, flash or acrobat reader13:10
nid0malware protection these days on windows is basically13:10
nid01) keep java up to date13:10
chxsweb: wifi, graphics, printer, power management, you name it.13:10
nid02) repeat step 113:10
jacekowskichx: and most of these bugs are on linux13:10
chxyeah but noone exploits them on Linux13:10
jacekowskichx: it's just that nobody bothers to exploit them on linux13:10
chxthat's totally correct.13:10
nid0security by obscurity is a very risky game to play13:10
chxyou tell me.13:11
chxI really dunno, these days i browse, watch movies, listen to music -- and webdevelop13:11
jacekowskimicrosoft came up with nice thing, UAC virtualisation13:11
chxand the last gives me pause to go Windows13:11
jacekowskiwhich is sandboxing for applications13:11
jacekowskinot perfect and many apps have problem with it so it's disabled for most applications13:12
jacekowskibut maybe in windows 8 they will make it work for every application13:12
sweb jacekowski, for example my laptop have NVIDIA GPU. so bad and awe full, so warm and reduce system performance but check ATI and check it. NVIDIA work with Microsoft and AMD and ATI supported by open architecture. so problem is for hardware not software13:12
robbiethe1stErm, Nvidia and ATI both have propretary drivers for Linux13:13
jacekowskisweb: ati drivers are not half as good as nvidia drivers13:13
robbiethe1stThere are OSS drivers being worked on for both13:13
chxjacekowski: is the software uninstall nightmare solved in Windows 7? I am trying to judge wheher i should yield.13:13
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jacekowskichx: pretty much yes13:13
jacekowskichx: and another thing, dynamic linking in linux is fubar13:14
swebjacekowski, ATI is sub of AMD. AMD is linux sponser. ATI and Intel graphic cards have open architecture13:14
jacekowskisweb: so?13:14
jacekowskisweb: drivers are still shit13:14
robbiethe1stThey're still crap13:14
jacekowskisweb: open nouveau drivers for nvidia are shit as well13:15
jacekowskiintel drivers are not so bad but their cards are shit instead13:15
jacekowskichx: upgrading single lib may take down whole system13:15
chxjacekowski: correct13:15
jacekowskichx: and as some people tried, dynamic linking isn't really saving disk space13:16
jacekowskichx: and it's slowing things down13:16
chxjacekowski: look, listen, i wrote a desperate blog post about how i am left without a usable OS13:16
chxjacekowski: i dread going Windows. I have used Windows for 10+ years from 3.1 to XP and the experience is horrendous13:17
chxjacekowski: at least on Linux the operating system does not do more than what i tell it to do. I went bonkers that Windows always made up its mind and i couldnt do jack shit.13:17
jacekowskichx: windows 7 is lot more user friendly than xp13:17
chxjacekowski: yes, Linux is broken because of the drivers and more but Windows, man, i dunno. And web development? I *really* dunno.13:18
chxjacekowski: is it, however, more power user friendly?13:18
jacekowskiit is13:18
jacekowskii have stuff to do13:19
chxme too. it's called sleep. goodnight13:19
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sweb jacekowski, so have fun with windows. pay back to gates to get more slaves ;)13:22
jacekowskibill is at least giving me usable os13:23
jacekowskithat works ootb13:24
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mecehey what's the section called for the Network stuff in app manager?13:59
mecesection: user/network13:59
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jhbH*, my 3g/2g doesn't show me status of my selection anymore (no highlight), even though clicking the buttons has the desired effect. Any ideas?14:12
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trist4nhey guys! i am looking at the reflashing page on the maemo wiki15:23
trist4nand it says something about 'hacker edition' firmware. wahts that?15:23
mecetrist4n, it's for Nokia 77015:26
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trist4noh i see. what does it do?15:28
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psycho_oreosprobably more features than the standard firmware provided for that tablet15:29
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meceany developers around?16:06
meceMohammadAG, ping?16:06
meceMohammadAG, could you help me with a thing? Seems I'I'm not sure whic16:07
meceseems I'm missing some builde deps. mce apparently.16:07
MohammadAGadd mce-dev to Build Depends in the control file16:07
MohammadAGyw :)16:08
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meceanother problem is that it can't find the qrc file. It's in the same directory as the .pro file, so what's up with that?16:09
MohammadAGcheck the path's correct in the .pro file16:10
MohammadAGRESOURCES += resourcefile.qrc I think16:10
GAN900Who wants to take odds on a hardware announcement from Nokia in SF?16:13
meceno it's correct. It's this problem:
MohammadAGGAN900, probably a 300-device giveaway as in Amsterdam16:14
GAN900MohammadAG, yes, and you wont be there. :P16:15
* MohammadAG grumbles16:15
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MohammadAGGAN900, you can always pick up another device for me can't you? :P16:16
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meceok so I have to move the source tree within the source tree to make this fucking thing work! Dammit!16:16
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MohammadAGpatience is a virtue mece16:16
MohammadAGAfter 10 attempts to install the MeeGo SDK, I found out it simply puts Invalid instead of Ubuntu if it can't know the version16:17
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MohammadAGalso, dl speed is bad16:19
MohammadAG51% [1 arm-2009q1 22.7 MB/44.3 MB 51%]                       30.0 kB/s 12min 2s16:19
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MohammadAGI hope the repos/servers get better when MeeGo's functional16:19
mecewhoa.. that was an easy move at least :) I'm actually starting to like using qmake :)16:20
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mececompiles lokally at least :)16:20
mecelet's see what it does.16:20
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meceoops seem to have forgotten a whole bunch of stuff.16:26
GAN900MohammadAG, that's the one where I shave the beard and go back for seconds? :P16:27
mecedammit how am I supposed to know what packages contain t his stuff?16:27
MohammadAGGAN900, nah, just take a second one and put it in the package then ship it straight from SF :P16:31
meceI really hope I can get my filthy mittens on one of those devices..16:32
meceok.. autobuilding take 516:33
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mececome on schwartz, come on schwartz!16:35
mecefailed. But almost there!16:35
MohammadAGwhy did you specify the dbg package when none is being built16:36
mecestupid mistake that time.16:36
meceI don't remember16:36
meceI've rewritten that file 20 times or so.16:36
meceI'll just comment that line16:37
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MohammadAGkeep dh_strip16:37
meceeh.. ok16:37
DocScrutinizerGAN900: don't forget the chelaba and hidschab16:37
MohammadAGremove the parameter16:38
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: find some awful sunglasses and sb to step on your toes, then you can impersonate me and get me one as well ;-D16:39
meceMohammadAG, heh I was 1 second from moving to autobuilder :)16:39
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mececomeon autobuilder gaddammit! I can hear the kids destroying stuff in the other room!16:41
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meceSuccess! the child does not want to swear!16:41
mececurious. the douchy builder says warning: dependency on could be avoided if "debian/tweedsuit/opt/tweedsuit/tweedsuit" were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols). , yet I'm pretty sure it's actually used. wtf?16:42
MohammadAGignore that16:44
meceI am ignoring it.16:44
MohammadAGit also shows it for sociality16:44
MohammadAGdoesn't happen locally though16:44
meceI guess autobuilder is just a bit of a douche that way :)16:44
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meceanyway, thanks for the help MohammadAG :)16:51
MohammadAGyou're welcome mece :)16:51
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meceyay it seems to work :)16:55
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GAN900Watch, Nokia's going to have some WP7 event in June after the MeeGoConf and give away the N950s there18:08
GAN900Along with free Will It Blend blenders.18:09
ShadowJKlet me guess, free WP7 phones at the meegoconf?18:11
ShadowJK(Or then google shows up again and hands out free Samsung Nexus S)18:12
GAN900Ugh, kill me.18:12
GAN900Getting rid of that damn Nexus One was hard enough.18:16
* RST38h kills GAN ritually18:16
GAN900I don't know how people happily use Android.18:16
RST38hwhat is wrong with it?18:16
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GAN900It's not Maemo18:21
GAN900For all of Maemo's warts, at its core is something I want to use.18:21
ShadowJKA guy at work has Samsug Galaxy something or other. flash doesn't work. upgrading os doesn't work. Other guy has a htc cheapo. Flash works, but 1GHz snapdragon is way underpowered for flash...18:22
GAN900Not only are both Android and Google perniciously evil, but Android just isn't something I want to use.18:22
RST38hNot being Maemo isn't a sufficient problem to hate it though18:22
GAN900Worse, it's covered in warts.18:22
RST38hShadowJK: Just about any CPU is underpowered for flash =)18:22
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ShadowJKSeemed underpowered compared to flash on n900 is what I meant18:23
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SpeedEvilIt's depressing.18:23
RST38hYou should look at the bright side and start learning C#! writing C# apps for WP7 is really easy and you can sell them in the app store and make $$$!18:25
GAN900It just works!18:25
ShadowJKThe only reason I want to code is to glue together missing bits18:25
RST38hAnd the phones are cool, they have got good specs, and integrate well with your Windows apps!18:25
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GAN900I have a deep moral and philosophical disagreement with Google.18:25
ShadowJKLike gluing openvpn and openssh on so I can access my damn email18:26
RST38hGAN: Given that Google is a corporation which (not being sentient or even human) cannot have morals or philosophy, I think you should reconsider =)18:26
ShadowJKAll the things I'd want to code are things that you couldn't do in wp7, and probably would never qualify as a MeeGo compliant app either18:29
RST38hShadowJK: I am sure WP7 does all thesethings by default, there is noneed to code them!18:33
ShadowJKWhen is putty for WP7 coming18:34
ShadowJKand vnc18:34
ShadowJKthat's the bare minimum :-)18:34
RST38hThere is going to be RDP =)18:35
RST38hand what would you need putty for? typing commands into your windows7 desktop? =)18:35
ShadowJKfor getting anything useful done18:36
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WizzupRecently I did this, . But apparently it also disabled blacking the screen when actually _calling_ with the phone. So my ear had pressed random buttons and actually send a mail.18:38
WizzupExplains why the mail was empty18:40
DocScrutinizeryeah, that's inevitable18:40
WizzupFor a moment I thought the phone had been rooted, lol18:40
DocScrutinizernah wait18:40
DocScrutinizerthe ALS????18:40
Wizzuphm-hm, it no longer blacks the screen when calling18:40
DocScrutinizerwhat got ALS to do with blanking the screen during a call?18:41
WizzupI don't know, it just didn't.18:41
DocScrutinizeralso I wonder why anybody would want to disanle ALS at all18:42
WizzupIt's the only thing I've changed in a long time18:42
WizzupWell, I disliked the way it changed the backlight18:42
DocScrutinizerfair enough18:42
GAN900RST38h, you know what I mean.18:46
SpeedEvil - TI assembly guidelines for POP18:46
SpeedEvilSomewhat randomly18:47
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Papayawhipan other python dbus question :)   -> bus=dbus.SessionBus(); x=dbus.Interface(getobject blabla); x.set_property('volume', 30);   then i get an dbus timeout message, but the volume is set. what i need to change that no reply is expected?19:36
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RST38hSamsung has unveiled a brand new 10.1-inch display that supports a maximum of 2560?1600 pixel resolution that could be ripe for next generation tablets.20:25
trxsounds nice20:29
Cor-Aio rly?20:34
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ArkenoiIs it true pixels or that "subpixels" fraud when 2 counts as 3?20:41
GAN900Pixel doubling for games will actually work there.20:41
GAN900Probably true pixels20:41
RST38hPixel doubling as in "doubling" or as in "2xSAI"?20:42
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GAN900As in playing at 1280x80020:48
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RST38hAh, that... Good luck finding games that will do that.20:51
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lcukRST38h, cpu/gpu will need to improve drastically!20:53
RST38hlcuk: memory bandwidth will need to improve20:54
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lcukRST38h, many things will20:56
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lcukespecially for modern titles20:56
VladNistorhello. I seem to be locked out of my n900. I turned it off for a while and turned it back on and it asks for the lock code. 12345 doesn't work. I have found a solution at but I can't figure out how to get into the device and run it. please provide assistance if you can. thanks.20:56
lcukbut I note, that will look awesome with line drawing20:56
lcukno need for AA, super fast perfectly clear20:56
lcukRST38h, where is the news article about it?20:57
RST38hlcuk: CPU/GPU may actually be ok, as strange as it sounds20:57
Sc0rpiusI changed the N900 keypad with one of those chinese keypads you find in the web20:57
VladNistorI understand I need to run echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): , but I don't know how to get to the device and run it :)20:57
Sc0rpiusthey are terrible but at least they are complete.20:57
RST38hlcuk: As the physical screen size is the same 10", you won't be able to put morevisual elementsanyway20:57
RST38hSc0rpius: BTW, found a way to fix Camel?20:58
Sc0rpiusit's hard if it never crashes on me20:58
lcukRST38h, but the visual elements you have can be rendered clearer20:58
lcukie fonts lines etc20:58
RST38hDidn't crash on me for the last few days too, probably got afraid of retaliation =)20:59
PapayawhipVladNistor: have you a ssh deamon running?20:59
RST38hlcuk: Correct. But this doesnot require much CPU or GPU power, just memory bandwidth as more data is being transferred20:59
VladNistorPapayawhip, nope, it asks for the lock code when I turn the device on for some reason21:00
nid0VladNistor: step 1 is reflashing the device.21:01
PapayawhipVladNistor: when you have a ssh deamon installed then you can conntect through ssh to your device21:01
Papayawhipand then send a dbus call to unlock it21:01
VladNistornid0, yeah, I was hoping to escape that21:02
Papayawhipor reflash :)21:02
VladNistorPapayawhip, it's not connected to a network, so even if ssh is running i couldn't connect to it21:02
VladNistori've tried usb networking via rescue initrd, but busybox won21:03
lcukafaik reflash does not clear lockcode21:03
nid0no it doesnt21:03
nid0but it clears the requirement to enter it21:03
VladNistorwon't let me enter $ and :21:03
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nid0and the info VladNistor has found is the way to recover the current code21:03
VladNistorbut won't the phone still ask for the lock code after i reflash?21:03
nid0the current code will still be in place, but it wont be enabled21:04
VladNistoralright, reflash it is then i guess :( thanks nid0, Papayawhip21:04
lcuknid0, hm so user data will remain?21:05
Papayawhipbut wait, isn't is possible to overwrite a single file with the flasher binary?21:05
Papayawhipreflash will kill the contactlist and more...21:05
VladNistori do regular backups of my contacts, so that's not a problem, but reinstalling everything is indeed a pain in the but21:06
Papayawhipdon't you backup the software list?21:07
VladNistorwhat's weird is the phone asking for the code out of the blue :( I may have a list but it's outdated, i don't do that backup that often :)21:07
Papayawhipit's included in regular backups, if you dont uncheck it21:08
VladNistorhaven't done one of those in a while unfortunately, i do export my contacts every once in a while :P21:08
vldcnstVladNistor: backups backups backups!21:08
VladNistori know, i know :) but i never expected for it to ask for a lock code ;)))21:09
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PapayawhipVladNistor: reinstalling via commandline isn't a pain :)21:10
VladNistoryeah, aptitude does a good job, but I need to have the list21:10
VladNistorso i only need to flash the rootfs, correct?21:11
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Papayawhipand thanks for the backup reminder :D21:13
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VladNistormy pleasure!21:17
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toproHi, anyone here knows what's happened to eCoach development? Website and SVN seems dead for more than one year now.21:42
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MohammadAG~seen timeless_xchat21:52
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rtylerSpeedEvil: which brings me to my other weekend project, getting that MeeGo n900 MMC image working22:44
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rtylerthe silly flasher doesn't run properly or have source I can compile for my arch22:44
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paul___where can I get the original busybox binary that came with the n900?23:45
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