IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-05-14

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djszapi	SpeedEvil: however it is not mounted according to the "mount" output.	00:00
DocScrutinizer	but that might change on PR1.0 when no uSD is inserted	00:00
DocScrutinizer	or a defect one	00:00
DocScrutinizer	iirc	00:00
djszapi	I am guessing the /home/user/MyDocs is the memory then	00:00
DocScrutinizer	(rename bug)	00:00
DocScrutinizer	MyDocs is the largest part of eMMC	00:01
djszapi	sure	00:01
djszapi	but not in this case, just in normal case	00:01
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DocScrutinizer	eeh?	00:02
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djszapi	"eeh?" ?	00:02
DocScrutinizer	sorry you lost me	00:02
djszapi	thanks.	00:02
djszapi	SpeedEvil: do you have any idea how to fix this issue ?	00:03
DocScrutinizer	if you'd a bit more precisely explain the issue, it would help	00:03
djszapi	what is not clear ?	00:04
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DocScrutinizer	e.g if you see both mmcblk0* and mmcblk1* in output of mount, and what exactly they show	00:05
djszapi	ofc I do not see.	00:05
djszapi	as I said above	00:05
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djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65851/	00:07
DocScrutinizer	ev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3	00:08
DocScrutinizer	so your eMMC seems to work on a hw level	00:08
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DocScrutinizer	but I don't see neither MyDocs nor the uSD	00:09
DocScrutinizer	tbh it looks like a system in mass storage mode	00:11
vi__	docscrutinizer, where can i find a list that details the numbers of all the interrupts.	00:11
djszapi	however it is not	00:11
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil's suggestion to reboot was a reasonable one	00:11
DocScrutinizer	then watch dmesg output if there are any errors	00:11
djszapi	it happened almost 1000 times in the last months	00:11
djszapi	also after that saying tbh	00:11
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DocScrutinizer	you might try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk* devices	00:11
djszapi	very fragile system /me sighs sighs	00:11
DocScrutinizer	you might try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk0p1 particularly devices	00:11
DocScrutinizer	djszapi: PR1.0 is obsolete like hell, and should've been updated since like a year or so	00:12
djszapi	who cares about update, if the pdfreader is supposed to work on that	00:13
djszapi	I do not need the bleding edge features, just a simple pdf read...	00:13
DocScrutinizer	hell, PR1.0 wasn't even optified	00:13
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, and odds are the pdf viewing process opens a 200MB file in /tmp, then you're screwed on PR1.0	00:14
djszapi	and as said, I do not have time for it at the airport, anyway	00:14
merlin1991	hell I remember the first n900 I got	00:14
DocScrutinizer	sorry, I can't help any better	00:14
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merlin1991	had pr1.0	00:14
merlin1991	crashed every 20 mins	00:14
DocScrutinizer	yeah	00:14
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merlin1991	and after a fixed amount of crashes was bricked	00:14
djszapi	most likely I do not even have PR1.0.....	00:14
merlin1991	unless you go r&d mode	00:15
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DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: "houston, we have a problem!" ;-P	00:15
merlin1991	I got the n900	00:15
merlin1991	was uberhappy	00:15
DocScrutinizer	those were the gamnes	00:15
merlin1991	went to university	00:15
merlin1991	logged in to wireless	00:15
djszapi	fsck did not help either...	00:16
merlin1991	had some fun and crashes for about 1hr	00:16
merlin1991	and after that it didn't boot anymore	00:16
merlin1991	"houston, we have a problem"	00:16
djszapi	merlin1991: please stop using enter after each 2-3 words.	00:16
DocScrutinizer	djszapi: I am afraid nobody can help you instantly right now	00:16
djszapi	yeah, it seems a very difficult issue to me as well.	00:17
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merlin1991	I even called nokia support, but they were no help at all, but I found the solution on nokia forums some time later	00:17
DocScrutinizer	indeed, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see somebody help you out. But I think it's a hopeless case	00:17
DocScrutinizer	I'd suggest a full reflash	00:17
djszapi	Version: 20.2010.36-2	00:18
DocScrutinizer	but that obviously doesn't help you right now	00:18
merlin1991	djszapi: that would be pr 1.3 o_O	00:18
DocScrutinizer	djszapi: so try to mount it	00:18
djszapi	try to mount what into where ?	00:19
DocScrutinizer	/dev/mmcblk0p1 into /home/user/MyDocs	00:19
djszapi	mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument	00:20
DocScrutinizer	from 'mount': /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat	00:20
DocScrutinizer	ls -l /dev/mmcblk0*	00:20
DocScrutinizer	do you see that device at all?	00:21
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65893/	00:21
DocScrutinizer	even	00:21
DocScrutinizer	ls -l /dev/mmcblk*	00:21
djszapi	erm....	00:21
DocScrutinizer	mhm good enough	00:22
djszapi	a laptop is very unhandy without a mouse	00:22
DocScrutinizer	ls -l /hoem/user/M*	00:22
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65905/	00:22
DocScrutinizer	ls -l /home/user/M*	00:22
djszapi	that is the MyDocs	00:22
djszapi	and its content	00:22
djszapi	mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/	00:23
djszapi	mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument	00:23
DocScrutinizer	well, that's your eMMC content then	00:23
DocScrutinizer	should be	00:23
djszapi	most likely not	00:23
djszapi	since emmc is not mounted	00:23
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# df -h /home/user/MyDocs/	00:24
djszapi	dmesg: http://paste.kde.org/65911/	00:24
DocScrutinizer	Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf	00:24
DocScrutinizer	/dev/mmcblk0p1 28G 21G 6,6G 76% /home/user/MyDocs	00:24
djszapi	so you are from Germany, nice to know, that is	00:24
djszapi	I am heading to Berlin ;)	00:24
RST38h	Finally: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/war/110513/osama-bin-laden-pornography	00:24
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djszapi	DocScrutinizer: as you see in the output of mount more times, it is the memory card	00:25
djszapi	the emmc is not mounted at all	00:25
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65917/	00:26
DocScrutinizer	17.339660] mmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 0001	00:26
DocScrutinizer	[ 17.358123] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB	00:26
DocScrutinizer	[ 17.358459] mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3	00:26
DocScrutinizer	there's a confusion about names of mmcblk0 vs mmcblk1	00:27
DocScrutinizer	they get swapped during boot eventually	00:27
djszapi	so what ?	00:27
cehteh	\o/ nokia	00:27
DocScrutinizer	/proc/partitons shows my uSD: 179 0 15663104 mmcblk0 -- and my eMMC: 179 9 28315648 mmcblk1p1	00:29
GAN900	/o\ Nokia	00:29
djszapi	okay, so what ?	00:29
DocScrutinizer	NB mount says different	00:29
djszapi	idea for a fix ?	00:29
djszapi	or workaround ?	00:29
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DocScrutinizer	df -h /home/user/MyDocs/	00:29
djszapi	you got it.	00:30
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65917/	00:30
djszapi	sorry, hard to type without mouse, that is why it is hard to repeat :)	00:31
DocScrutinizer	ohh missed that	00:31
djszapi	it is not arrogance or something like that	00:31
DocScrutinizer	it's not mounted, definitely	00:31
djszapi	it is not.	00:31
djszapi	I wonder why not.	00:31
DocScrutinizer	me too	00:31
DocScrutinizer	especially I don't get it why mount barfs	00:31
djszapi	mmh...it is odd....	00:31
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djszapi	it is not even in the /etc/fstab...	00:32
djszapi	http://paste.kde.org/65923/	00:32
djszapi	anyway, memory card or emmc, should not actually matter....I mean the pdfviewer should be capable to open both...	00:33
djszapi	however the settings/memory writes that my memory card is corrupted.	00:33
djszapi	no clue why	00:34
djszapi	DocScrutinizer: how about your /etc/fstab/ ?	00:34
djszapi	it is not a folder, that is just a typo :)	00:34
DocScrutinizer	I'm starting to shoot blind now, on your own peril: ke-recv-test m; ke-recv-test ej	00:34
djszapi	mh ?	00:35
DocScrutinizer	fstab: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0	00:35
djszapi	what about that line ?	00:36
DocScrutinizer	fstab is generated dynamically on boottime	00:36
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DocScrutinizer	if it's missing in yours, it means something went wrong during boot	00:36
djszapi	well, I gave you the dmesg output.	00:36
DocScrutinizer	:nod: but it's been a bit lengthy to scan each single line	00:37
djszapi	anyway, why cannot I mount it "manually" now as a hackaround ?	00:37
DocScrutinizer	I'll give it a second glance now	00:37
DocScrutinizer	yeah	00:37
DocScrutinizer	try mount with all the parameters above	00:37
DocScrutinizer	then check end of dmesg	00:38
djszapi	can you give me the command ?	00:38
djszapi	otherwise I just modify the fstab and mount -a ...	00:38
DocScrutinizer	mompls, don't know off top of my head either	00:38
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DocScrutinizer	fair enough, do that	00:38
djszapi	right, let me do it with fstab mod	00:38
djszapi	same	00:39
djszapi	invalid argument	00:39
DocScrutinizer	yay, you're fast :-)	00:39
DocScrutinizer	see at end of dmesg	00:39
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DocScrutinizer	should show some errors	00:39
djszapi	sorry	00:39
djszapi	checkin soon to Berlin ;-)	00:39
djszapi	Thank you for your time :)	00:40
DocScrutinizer	yw	00:40
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DocScrutinizer	good luck	00:40
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DocScrutinizer	and have a nice flight	00:41
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if /home is r/o and needs a fsck.ext3		00:43
DocScrutinizer	djszapi: just an idea: remove uSD and reboot	00:44
Papayawhip	whoo my LiveView is working with Maemo \m/	00:44
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: the ogg-support issue is getting weird	00:44
merlin1991	I reupgraded to 1.0.7 and it works	00:45
merlin1991	need to find out why	00:45
DocScrutinizer	HAHAHA	00:45
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: seen my comment about dbus-send in postrm?	00:46
merlin1991	saw it, the difference is, last time I upgraded via ham, this time ssh as root	00:46
DocScrutinizer	it breaks exactly when you try to rm the pkg (or update, for that behalf, I guess) vie apt-get in a true rootsh, or via fapman	00:47
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merlin1991	last time I upgraded with ham, and it did break :/	00:48
merlin1991	kulve: ping	00:48
DocScrutinizer	yeah, so odds are you only think you updated to 1.0.7 but actually it errored out on postrm of 1.0.6 this time	00:48
merlin1991	nope this time I used a ssh session	00:49
merlin1991	and apt-get	00:49
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: try run-standalone.sh apt-get foo bar	00:49
merlin1991	rebooting atm	00:49
DocScrutinizer	apt may even tell you you got 1.0.7 installed ind still you have the old 1.0.6 still	00:50
merlin1991	ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't referenced by 1.0.7	00:50
merlin1991	s/referenced/depended on/	00:50
infobot	merlin1991 meant: ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't depended on by 1.0.7	00:50
DocScrutinizer	you only can tell for sure by looking at the binary you meant to install, I guess	00:50
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merlin1991	ah yes, removed the leftover dependencies and it broke	00:51
DocScrutinizer	aiui apt-get install first runs postrm of ld version, then preinstall of new one	00:51
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DocScrutinizer	if postrm breaks due to dbus-send throwing error, you're quite screwed	00:52
merlin1991	btw if I remove a gstreamer package, do I have to reboot to make sure it isn't loaded to mem somewhere, or can I assume it is / use some command towards gstreamer	00:53
DocScrutinizer	wouldn't dare to guess :-)	00:53
merlin1991	rebuilding tracker db atm	00:54
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merlin1991	maybe I reduce the amount of media files on the n900 while I do that testing	00:55
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: tracker* runs as user. You can change perms of dir	00:58
merlin1991	cd /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds && mkdir .temp && mv * .temp	00:59
merlin1991	does it too	00:59
DocScrutinizer	sure?	00:59
merlin1991	yes	00:59
DocScrutinizer	;-D	00:59
merlin1991	tracker doesn't check in "hidden" folders	00:59
DocScrutinizer	well, when you do it as root, then sure	00:59
DocScrutinizer	nah	00:59
merlin1991	I got rid of my album art that way	00:59
DocScrutinizer	definitely tracker checks a lot of hidden folders	00:59
merlin1991	(album art in fotos)	00:59
merlin1991	I moved all the album art into the .mediaartlocal folders	01:00
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DocScrutinizer	.images, .sounds, .videos	01:01
DocScrutinizer	all typical dirs for tracker to index	01:01
merlin1991	they are in the tracker config explecitely named afaik	01:01
DocScrutinizer	maybe	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	chown root:root MyDocs/.sounds	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	chmod go-rwx .sounds	01:03
merlin1991	# List of directory roots to index and watch (separator=;)	01:03
merlin1991	WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/	01:03
DocScrutinizer	is a safe way	01:03
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	01:03
DocScrutinizer	probably yours wors as well	01:03
DocScrutinizer	works*	01:04
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DocScrutinizer	though there seems a diff between watchdirs and indexed dirs	01:04
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DocScrutinizer	whatever, I fsckd my tracker by messing with those settings	01:05
merlin1991	:D	01:05
merlin1991	I'm in a manual reboot loop atm	01:05
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DocScrutinizer	I'm in too-late-for-breakfast, too-early for-yawning mode (and I'm yawning like a dog)	01:06
cehteh	manual reboot loop? .. lol :)	01:06
merlin1991	cehteh: remove 1 package reboot check, repeat	01:07
DocScrutinizer	ouch	01:07
DocScrutinizer	lrn2b-tree	01:07
DocScrutinizer	how often do you weigh to find the light screw out of 128?	01:08
merlin1991	and there are about 15 packages apt marks as to be removed when upgrading from 1.0.6 to 1.0.7 but after you do that falc's dead	01:08
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merlin1991	fu doc ;)	01:09
DocScrutinizer	;-P	01:09
ShadowJK	falc?	01:10
merlin1991	ShadowJK: flac	01:10
DocScrutinizer	flac	01:10
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: my suggestion wasn't correct. It's based on a false assumption of only one object to find in the crowd	01:12
merlin1991	I'm actually starting to get the idea where the problem might come from	01:12
DocScrutinizer	odds are there are more than one file spoiling the game	01:12
merlin1991	have to look at postinst of ogg-support 1.0.7 and postrm of gstreamer0.10-flac	01:13
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DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: eager to earn the title today? :-)	01:13
merlin1991	my bet is	01:14
DocScrutinizer	preinst?	01:14
merlin1991	that 1.0.7 works just fine	01:14
merlin1991	BUG	01:14
merlin1991	BUT	01:14
DocScrutinizer	removal of 1.0.6 fails	01:14
DocScrutinizer	?	01:14
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merlin1991	since gstreamer-flac stays around not depended on, so it gets removed later on, it propbably removes the the file type / mime association then	01:15
DocScrutinizer	so 1.0.7 can't install correctly	01:15
DocScrutinizer	haha	01:15
merlin1991	that's be hilarious	01:15
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merlin1991	a race condition in the install process since it switched package names	01:15
merlin1991	"race" in a broader sense here :P	01:16
DocScrutinizer	yeah	01:16
DocScrutinizer	kulve will owe you a booze eve	01:16
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# find /var -name 'mime'	01:19
DocScrutinizer	/var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonmime0.shlibs	01:19
DocScrutinizer	/var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonmime0.postinst	01:19
DocScrutinizer	FWIW	01:19
DocScrutinizer	...	01:19
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DocScrutinizer	IroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac *	01:21
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DocScrutinizer	IroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac *\|wc -l	01:21
DocScrutinizer	45	01:21
DocScrutinizer	ogg-support.postinst: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg	01:23
DocScrutinizer	ogg-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg	01:23
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merlin1991	that's on the wrong package level though	01:23
merlin1991	since at the point of 1.0.7 working ogg-support 1.0.7 is already installed	01:24
merlin1991	it only breaks later on when I remove the packages not longer depended on	01:24
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DocScrutinizer	decoders-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d application/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/vnd.rn-realaudio -d audio/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/x-musepack	01:25
DocScrutinizer	ogg-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg	01:25
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: maybe you could test if a simple >> /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg<< fixes everything	01:28
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DocScrutinizer	if filemanager fails to playback .flac, then we probably need to check were the actual assignment of audio/x-flac+ogg=*.flac is done	01:30
merlin1991	hm I broke it completely	01:30
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merlin1991	now 1.0.6 doesn't work either	01:30
merlin1991	FFS	01:30
DocScrutinizer	mehehe	01:30
DocScrutinizer	sorry	01:31
merlin1991	ah wait	01:31
merlin1991	I did redowngrade	01:31
merlin1991	but forgot to remove the 1.0.7 new packages	01:31
DocScrutinizer	yeah	01:31
merlin1991	wich again are not here anymore but still here	01:31
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merlin1991	still not working, but it's reboot time	01:33
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merlin1991	there has to be some way to completely reload gstreamer without rebooting :/	01:33
DocScrutinizer	you should mv /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real; echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho borktest:"$@" \n/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real "$@"' >/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype	01:34
DocScrutinizer	stop mafw?	01:34
DocScrutinizer	/etc/init.d/pulsaudio reload	01:35
DocScrutinizer	?	01:35
DocScrutinizer	I bet there's some way	01:35
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DocScrutinizer	but you also want system to regenerate all the mimetype caches	01:36
DocScrutinizer	which I'm not sure it does on anything except boot	01:37
merlin1991	so keep the manual rebooting it is then	01:38
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merlin1991	okay I just learned something the hard way	01:40
merlin1991	tracker-processes -r as root doesn't kill the right cache	01:40
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MohammadAG	it deletes $HOME/.tracker/whatever	01:46
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merlin1991	yep, the $HOME there is the problem	01:47
merlin1991	btw MohammadAG does the openmediaplayer work with opening files from file manager, or is that still tbd?	01:48
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DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: might be right - good find :-)	02:04
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merlin1991	okay removing tracker-extractor-flac didn't break it	02:05
merlin1991	going on to gstreamer0.10-flac	02:06
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MohammadAG	merlin1991, tbd	02:08
MohammadAG	or wtf is mime type in Qt	02:08
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merlin1991	I had such a nice uptime on the n900	02:09
merlin1991	just to break it with 30 reboots today :P	02:09
merlin1991	tbh I can't stand the handshake nokia video anymore	02:09
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cehteh	merlin1991: you can turn them off :P	02:10
MohammadAG	merlin1991, replace it with the Vista/7 startup logo	02:10
cehteh	haha	02:10
merlin1991	for sure :D	02:10
cehteh	wp7? :)	02:10
FIQ\|n900	nah	02:11
merlin1991	random clips from q3 fragmovies would be awesome	02:11
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FIQ\|n900	KDE "startup video" :D	02:11
merlin1991	FIQ\|n900: I don't even know that one	02:11
MohammadAG	MeeGo crashed, yay	02:11
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FIQ\|n900	merlin1991, it's not a video, just a loading screen after logging in with KDM	02:12
merlin1991	MohammadAG: can it be that the current cssu takes really lowquality splashscreens?	02:15
MohammadAG	merlin1991, hildon-desktop takes those	02:16
merlin1991	when I open the openmediaplayer, the splashscreen looks like a low quality jpeg	02:16
MohammadAG	and PVRs are low quality by design	02:16
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merlin1991	MohammadAG: "meego crashed" are you using the de version?	02:39
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merlin1991	HAH	02:49
merlin1991	I FOUND THE EVIL PACKAGE	02:49
Proteous	what was in it?	02:50
merlin1991	of it was the 10th out of 11, but still :D	02:50
Proteous	candy?	02:50
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merlin1991	for some reason gstreamer0.10-ogg has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg in it's postrm	02:50
merlin1991	wait	02:50
merlin1991	no	02:50
merlin1991	looked at wrong file	02:50
merlin1991	but it still broke after I removed gstreamer0.10-ogg	02:51
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DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: wasn't that (has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d ) exactly what I searched for?	03:10
merlin1991	that was a mistake by me	03:10
merlin1991	looked into the wrong deb when checking	03:10
merlin1991	btw the issue is getting even weirder now	03:10
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merlin1991	I removed tracker-extractor-flac libvorbisfile3 gstreamer0.10-vorbis	03:11
merlin1991	tracker-extractor-vorbis gstreamer0.10-flac libvorbisenc2	03:11
merlin1991	gstreamer0.10-theora libtheora0 libflac	03:11
merlin1991	then I attempted to remove gstreamer0.10-ogg	03:11
merlin1991	where after the reboot flac didn't work anymore	03:11
merlin1991	but now I installed that package again	03:11
merlin1991	and it still doesn't work	03:11
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* merlin1991 is stating to think the he might have done a apt-get autoremove at some point that broke the device		03:19
merlin1991	for now I'll just revert to 1.0.6 and I'll flash as soon as I can to test that	03:19
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smackpotat	anything happening	04:50
smackpotat	in thhe maemo world	04:51
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SpeedEvil	Not really.	04:51
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smackpotat	iv abanded ship im chating on a playbook	04:52
smackpotat	not nearly as slick as the n810	04:52
SpeedEvil	It was a beautiful dream.	04:52
smackpotat	no apps at all	04:54
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dangergrrl	i'd like to read a doc on arm asm for the omap 3430, been looking around at ti.com, nothing i've gotten so far is that helpful	05:17
dangergrrl	still digging	05:17
SpeedEvil	What do you mean 'arm asm for'	05:17
dangergrrl	like the processor reference	05:17
dangergrrl	instruction set, addressing modes, etc	05:18
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SpeedEvil	The general core docs are on arm.com I think	05:18
dangergrrl	ti doesn't have a 'databook'	05:18
SpeedEvil	I don't recall seeing a programming databook	05:18
dangergrrl	and the other databooks seem more like sales brocures	05:18
dangergrrl	so cortex A8 and A9 are multivendor references from arm.com?	05:19
dangergrrl	(seem to remember nvidia has cortex A8 also)	05:20
SpeedEvil	look up the omap 3530	05:20
SpeedEvil	this is the similar processor that's not 'OEM only'.	05:20
SpeedEvil	http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html	05:21
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dangergrrl	was originally looking for docs for the pandaboard one(omap 4430) then decided i would like to read docs on both	05:22
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dangergrrl	love my n900, looking at eventually integrating an n900 into my motorcycle	05:25
dangergrrl	er a pandaboard	05:25
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dangergrrl	though dunno yet how i'll weatherproof it	05:25
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cehteh	the n900 alone .. not at all	05:26
cehteh	but with some protection it works well	05:27
cehteh	btw you get arm docs at arm.com	05:27
dangergrrl	the n900 i would not consider permamounting	05:28
dangergrrl	maybe permanent velcro fuzzy side stuck to some portion the the back	05:29
dangergrrl	of	05:29
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cehteh	http://www.christeck.de/wp/2009/02/28/nokia-n810-in-a-home-grown-bike-mount/	05:29
cehteh	christoph made a geek pr0n box :)	05:30
dangergrrl	but no, i was going to mount a pandaboard inside my fairing and use some sort of augmented reality display	05:30
cehteh	bad for touchscreen use .. but a car can run over it :)	05:30
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cehteh	i made a abs/neoprene pouch by myself, but its not weatherproof	05:31
dangergrrl	yes, the omap3503-hirel databook is pinouts and riming diagrams	05:31
dangergrrl	i'll look for stuff at arm.com	05:31
cehteh	(well i can put it in a ziplock bag)	05:31
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dangergrrl	i plan on taking the n900 camping with me	05:31
cehteh	i do so too	05:31
dangergrrl	my strategy for poor weather was ziplock	05:31
cehteh	should work .. just needs some more protection against rough abouse	05:32
dangergrrl	gonna try to get a cheap toughbook next month too	05:32
cehteh	there are a lot silicone rubber pouches meanwhile	05:32
dangergrrl	need something that will run madde	05:32
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cehteh	my compaq 2510p (with SSD meanwhile) is quite rugged .. and much cheaper than a toughbook	05:33
dangergrrl	i'm looking at doing some travel writing for extra income	05:33
cehteh	thinkpads as well	05:33
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dangergrrl	and have some potential ideas for maperro enhancements	05:33
* cehteh is amazed by monav now		05:34
dangergrrl	you can get a pentium M 256M toughbook for $200	05:34
cehteh	i dont use mappero much anymore	05:34
dangergrrl	but it's a puny pc by today's standards	05:34
cehteh	ah yes ok	05:34
dangergrrl	and may as well do native development as to try to use that	05:34
cehteh	well i need bit more horsepower	05:34
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dangergrrl	that one is too crippled for me	05:35
dangergrrl	must be expandable to 4G RAM	05:35
cehteh	1.2Ghz Dualcore 4GB ram isnt that much too .. but that works for me	05:35
cehteh	(and 64 bit)	05:35
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dangergrrl	i'm using a supercheap minitower dekstop with only 2g ram	05:35
dangergrrl	i end up page faulting to limbo on occassion	05:36
cehteh	my desktop was less powerful than my laptop for quite some time	05:36
dangergrrl	like 20 minutes to get to a text console from X	05:36
cehteh	well and now my wife has the biggiest computer :P	05:36
pigeon	does anyone remember the name of that project to run android apps under maemo? any status update?	05:36
dangergrrl	i have a phenom 2 x4 945 8gb ram in storage... maybe	05:37
cehteh	alien dalvic? .. no idea about its state	05:37
pigeon	thanks	05:37
dangergrrl	it would be neat to be able to use the google voice recognition without the rest of android	05:37
dangergrrl	especially if you could use their cloud to do it :)	05:38
cehteh	i wonder if some vendor eventually releases an open android platform	05:38
cehteh	that would be partially nice	05:38
cehteh	(not exactly what i want but getting closer)	05:38
dangergrrl	some hacked android platforms seem to have some buzz around them	05:38
dangergrrl	hacked nook color are popular	05:39
cehteh	i dislike this jailbreaking .. i dont want to support a vendor which is nannying his users	05:39
dangergrrl	sadly by that view you shouldn't buy a new n900 even today	05:39
cehteh	vendors should become committed to open/free platforms	05:40
dangergrrl	nokia isn't supporting us and is discontinuing further development along these lines	05:40
cehteh	well the n900 is the closest you can get currently	05:40
cehteh	(freerunner aside)	05:40
dangergrrl	the pandaboard isn't a handheld	05:40
cehteh	yes i am after a smartphone/internet tablet	05:41
dangergrrl	but it looks like it could end up having a free handheld spring out of it's community	05:41
cehteh	well i ahve my n900	05:41
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cehteh	nothing else in sight which could replace it	05:41
cehteh	if it would die now then i take a dumb phone out of the drawer for the next time	05:41
dangergrrl	my poor friend had his truck looted recently and they got his n800	05:42
dangergrrl	bet a pawn shop won't give the thief a thing for it	05:42
dangergrrl	not a cell phone	05:42
SpeedEvil	http://www.dealextreme.com/p/herotab-8-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-3-tablet-pc-w-wi-fi-usb-host-hdmi-tf-cortex-a8-59631	05:42
* SpeedEvil idly wonders if dx does a referral program.		05:43
dangergrrl	http://picasaweb.google.ca/astrangelove/disassembled/	05:44
dangergrrl	i have plenty of room to mount a pandaboard on my bike	05:44
dangergrrl	huge bike	05:44
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/fascia.jpg	05:45
SpeedEvil	(above was the result of believing the repair manual, and attempting to change the heater control knobs.	05:46
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dangergrrl	i started taking lots of pictures disassembling my bike because the pics in the manual for putting it back together and inadequate	05:48
cehteh	haha	05:49
dangergrrl	my bike you have to take that far apart just to0 do a normal tuneup	05:49
SpeedEvil	That is a good plan, yes.	05:49
SpeedEvil	Video also helps.	05:49
dangergrrl	well, i would be putting it back together and my memory isn't as good as when i was 20	05:49
SpeedEvil	For when you forgot to take pictures.	05:49
cehteh	when i disassemble a laptop or such you usually place the screws on a plate refering to the positions they where build in	05:50
SpeedEvil	yeah	05:50
dangergrrl	and some of the parts are damned difficult to put back on	05:50
SpeedEvil	cardboard can work well too	05:50
cehteh	but it sux when you thow that plate over	05:50
SpeedEvil	draw little diagrams	05:50
SpeedEvil	of the part, and put screws in the cardboard	05:50
dangergrrl	i used to have a photomimetic memory for the insides of machine	05:50
dangergrrl	s	05:51
cehteh	you are not 40 yet? :)	05:51
dangergrrl	all things pass with time :)	05:51
dangergrrl	i'm 43	05:51
cehteh	haha	05:51
cehteh	ok	05:51
dangergrrl	not as easy as when i was young :)	05:52
cehteh	look at the bright side .. years ago i could go into cinema and would remember every movie in detail .. now i can watch and enjoy them a 2nd time :P	05:52
dangergrrl	lol	05:52
dangergrrl	hell	05:52
dangergrrl	i fall asleep watching movies	05:52
dangergrrl	they are new the 4th time	05:52
cehteh	haha	05:53
dangergrrl	i had a head injury an ever sense if i concentrate that long on one thing i sleep	05:53
cehteh	ok	05:53
dangergrrl	gotten better	05:53
dangergrrl	i can usually watch an hour at a time	05:54
dangergrrl	i've watched 8 episodes of cosmos in 2 days one at a time	05:54
dangergrrl	that's 30 years old and still a good science program	05:54
dangergrrl	but i swear he NEVER says: 'Billions and Billions'	05:55
dangergrrl	he does use large numbers an awful lot though	05:55
Psi	anyone using the "latitude & buzz" app?	05:55
dangergrrl	the scale of the universe from small to large is boggling	05:55
dangergrrl	i use the lattitude app	05:56
Psi	on n900?	05:56
dangergrrl	stopped working right a while back	05:56
dangergrrl	not tried recently	05:56
dangergrrl	yes	05:56
Psi	yeah, it says it cant find my friends list	05:56
Psi	was wondering if anyone knew what the problem was	05:56
dangergrrl	i think last time i tried it worked	05:56
dangergrrl	i'm gonna do my own geoloc sharing solution i think	05:57
dangergrrl	i have a friendly server	05:57
dangergrrl	latitude would be great if it allowed control to the level that picasa does	05:57
dangergrrl	sometimes i want my location to be public to anyone who knows the url	05:58
dangergrrl	sometimes i want only friends	05:58
dangergrrl	sometimes i want only some friends	05:58
dangergrrl	i have a broken package on my n900 and haven't bothered debugging to fix spkg	05:59
dangergrrl	dpkg	05:59
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dangergrrl	i know fixing it starts with dpkg --pending --reconfigure	05:59
dangergrrl	and then i think if i reinstall the one that starts the huge cascade of failure i should be able to fix it	06:00
dangergrrl	too much like qwork	06:00
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djszapi	morning DocScrutinizer	08:32
djszapi	I got stucked in Riga, Latvia, currently in a "Coffee Buffet" and all of us are waiting for the airline to provide a flight to Berlin.	08:33
djszapi	I can try to remove the uSD and reboot.	08:33
djszapi	there will be no other choice than the emmc then, good idea :)	08:33
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, btw, I just went over the hotswap thread again	11:16
MohammadAG	I forgot to say that hotswapping the sim works in the same way	11:16
MohammadAG	just put the device into offline mode before doing it	11:16
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sweb	meamo project is going on ?	12:14
SpeedEvil	sweb: No.	12:15
sweb	SpeedEvil, why Nokia do this ?	12:15
sweb	all platform going to Linux, Nokia going on Windows mobile !?!	12:15
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jacekowski	sweb: because linux sucks	12:49
jacekowski	on desktop linux has still same problems as it had 5 years ago	12:50
jacekowski	graphics and sound	12:50
sweb	jacekowski, yeah companies wants to tell you, you are our slave, follow us	12:51
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jacekowski	no, linux just sucks	13:03
jacekowski	if nobody can fix same problem for 5 years then what is the point	13:03
chx	jacekowski: come on, we have added power management and wifi since to the problem list :p	13:05
chx	jacekowski: with a product lifecycle measured in months who would bother writing drivers for an obscure OS?	13:06
jacekowski	it's just that i sort of help people sometimes on one of ubuntu channels	13:06
jacekowski	and people have same problems as they used to have 5 years ago	13:06
nid0	tbh most of those are probably the same problems they had 10 years ago on debian, suse, and redhat	13:07
jacekowski	yeah	13:07
chx	wish there was a solution	13:07
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sweb	jacekowski, what's your problem exactly ?	13:08
robbiethe1st	Erm... to be fair, I'm playing TF2 via Wine on my Linux desktop right now... and getting 40+fps at 1920x1080, 4x AA.///	13:08
robbiethe1st	and perfect sound	13:08
jacekowski	since i moved to windows i have no problems	13:08
chx	sweb: that noone writes even remotely proper drivers on Linux	13:08
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jacekowski	chx: well, nvidia makes proper drivers	13:08
jacekowski	chx: but ubuntu people instead of packaging them in user friendly way decided to go noveau way	13:09
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chx	jacekowski: very honest question. Not a jab. Malware? I have no idea of the malware situation on newer Windows versions	13:09
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nid0	malware's not hard to avoid.	13:09
sweb	chx, wifi cards or etc ?	13:09
jacekowski	chx: well, thing is that most of malware is using bugs in 3rd party apps	13:09
jacekowski	chx: like firefox, flash or acrobat reader	13:10
nid0	malware protection these days on windows is basically	13:10
nid0	1) keep java up to date	13:10
chx	sweb: wifi, graphics, printer, power management, you name it.	13:10
nid0	2) repeat step 1	13:10
jacekowski	chx: and most of these bugs are on linux	13:10
chx	yeah but noone exploits them on Linux	13:10
chx	:)	13:10
jacekowski	chx: it's just that nobody bothers to exploit them on linux	13:10
chx	correct.	13:10
chx	that's totally correct.	13:10
nid0	security by obscurity is a very risky game to play	13:10
chx	you tell me.	13:11
chx	I really dunno, these days i browse, watch movies, listen to music -- and webdevelop	13:11
jacekowski	microsoft came up with nice thing, UAC virtualisation	13:11
chx	and the last gives me pause to go Windows	13:11
jacekowski	which is sandboxing for applications	13:11
jacekowski	not perfect and many apps have problem with it so it's disabled for most applications	13:12
jacekowski	but maybe in windows 8 they will make it work for every application	13:12
sweb	jacekowski, for example my laptop have NVIDIA GPU. so bad and awe full, so warm and reduce system performance but check ATI and check it. NVIDIA work with Microsoft and AMD and ATI supported by open architecture. so problem is for hardware not software	13:12
robbiethe1st	Erm, Nvidia and ATI both have propretary drivers for Linux	13:13
jacekowski	sweb: ati drivers are not half as good as nvidia drivers	13:13
robbiethe1st	There are OSS drivers being worked on for both	13:13
chx	jacekowski: is the software uninstall nightmare solved in Windows 7? I am trying to judge wheher i should yield.	13:13
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jacekowski	chx: pretty much yes	13:13
jacekowski	chx: and another thing, dynamic linking in linux is fubar	13:14
sweb	jacekowski, ATI is sub of AMD. AMD is linux sponser. ATI and Intel graphic cards have open architecture	13:14
jacekowski	sweb: so?	13:14
jacekowski	sweb: drivers are still shit	13:14
robbiethe1st	They're still crap	13:14
jacekowski	sweb: open nouveau drivers for nvidia are shit as well	13:15
jacekowski	intel drivers are not so bad but their cards are shit instead	13:15
jacekowski	chx: upgrading single lib may take down whole system	13:15
chx	jacekowski: correct	13:15
jacekowski	chx: and as some people tried, dynamic linking isn't really saving disk space	13:16
jacekowski	chx: and it's slowing things down	13:16
chx	jacekowski: look, listen, i wrote a desperate blog post about how i am left without a usable OS	13:16
chx	jacekowski: i dread going Windows. I have used Windows for 10+ years from 3.1 to XP and the experience is horrendous	13:17
chx	jacekowski: at least on Linux the operating system does not do more than what i tell it to do. I went bonkers that Windows always made up its mind and i couldnt do jack shit.	13:17
jacekowski	chx: windows 7 is lot more user friendly than xp	13:17
chx	jacekowski: yes, Linux is broken because of the drivers and more but Windows, man, i dunno. And web development? I really dunno.	13:18
chx	jacekowski: is it, however, more power user friendly?	13:18
jacekowski	it is	13:18
jacekowski	anyways	13:19
jacekowski	i have stuff to do	13:19
chx	me too. it's called sleep. goodnight	13:19
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sweb	jacekowski, so have fun with windows. pay back to gates to get more slaves ;)	13:22
jacekowski	bill is at least giving me usable os	13:23
jacekowski	that works ootb	13:24
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mece	hey what's the section called for the Network stuff in app manager?	13:59
mece	section: user/network	13:59
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jhb	H*, my 3g/2g doesn't show me status of my selection anymore (no highlight), even though clicking the buttons has the desired effect. Any ideas?	14:12
jhb	http://baach.de/static/3g2g.png	14:12
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trist4n	hey guys! i am looking at the reflashing page on the maemo wiki	15:23
trist4n	and it says something about 'hacker edition' firmware. wahts that?	15:23
mece	trist4n, it's for Nokia 770	15:26
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trist4n	oh i see. what does it do?	15:28
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psycho_oreos	probably more features than the standard firmware provided for that tablet	15:29
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mece	hello	16:05
mece	any developers around?	16:06
mece	MohammadAG, ping?	16:06
MohammadAG	pong	16:06
mece	MohammadAG, could you help me with a thing? Seems I'I'm not sure whic	16:07
mece	erm	16:07
mece	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/tweedsuit_0.6.1-3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt	16:07
mece	seems I'm missing some builde deps. mce apparently.	16:07
MohammadAG	add mce-dev to Build Depends in the control file	16:07
mece	thanks	16:07
MohammadAG	yw :)	16:08
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mece	another problem is that it can't find the qrc file. It's in the same directory as the .pro file, so what's up with that?	16:09
MohammadAG	check the path's correct in the .pro file	16:10
MohammadAG	RESOURCES += resourcefile.qrc I think	16:10
GAN900	Who wants to take odds on a hardware announcement from Nokia in SF?	16:13
mece	no it's correct. It's this problem: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1881	16:13
MohammadAG	GAN900, probably a 300-device giveaway as in Amsterdam	16:14
GAN900	MohammadAG, yes, and you wont be there. :P	16:15
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mece	ffs!	16:16
MohammadAG	GAN900, you can always pick up another device for me can't you? :P	16:16
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mece	ok so I have to move the source tree within the source tree to make this fucking thing work! Dammit!	16:16
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MohammadAG	patience is a virtue mece	16:16
mece	meh	16:16
MohammadAG	After 10 attempts to install the MeeGo SDK, I found out it simply puts Invalid instead of Ubuntu if it can't know the version	16:17
mece	heh	16:17
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MohammadAG	also, dl speed is bad	16:19
MohammadAG	51% [1 arm-2009q1 22.7 MB/44.3 MB 51%] 30.0 kB/s 12min 2s	16:19
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MohammadAG	I hope the repos/servers get better when MeeGo's functional	16:19
mece	whoa.. that was an easy move at least :) I'm actually starting to like using qmake :)	16:20
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mece	compiles lokally at least :)	16:20
mece	let's see what it does.	16:20
mece	ls	16:20
mece	oops	16:20
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mece	oops seem to have forgotten a whole bunch of stuff.	16:26
GAN900	MohammadAG, that's the one where I shave the beard and go back for seconds? :P	16:27
mece	dammit how am I supposed to know what packages contain t his stuff?	16:27
MohammadAG	GAN900, nah, just take a second one and put it in the package then ship it straight from SF :P	16:31
mece	I really hope I can get my filthy mittens on one of those devices..	16:32
mece	ok.. autobuilding take 5	16:33
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mece	come on schwartz, come on schwartz!	16:35
mece	failed. But almost there!	16:35
MohammadAG	lmfao	16:36
MohammadAG	why did you specify the dbg package when none is being built	16:36
mece	stupid mistake that time.	16:36
mece	I don't remember	16:36
mece	I've rewritten that file 20 times or so.	16:36
mece	anywya	16:37
mece	I'll just comment that line	16:37
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MohammadAG	NO	16:37
MohammadAG	keep dh_strip	16:37
mece	eh.. ok	16:37
DocScrutinizer	GAN900: don't forget the chelaba and hidschab	16:37
MohammadAG	remove the parameter	16:38
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: find some awful sunglasses and sb to step on your toes, then you can impersonate me and get me one as well ;-D	16:39
mece	MohammadAG, heh I was 1 second from moving to autobuilder :)	16:39
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mece	comeon autobuilder gaddammit! I can hear the kids destroying stuff in the other room!	16:41
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mece	woo!	16:41
mece	Success! the child does not want to swear!	16:41
mece	curious. the douchy builder says warning: dependency on libQtNetwork.so.4 could be avoided if "debian/tweedsuit/opt/tweedsuit/tweedsuit" were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols). , yet I'm pretty sure it's actually used. wtf?	16:42
MohammadAG	ignore that	16:44
mece	I am ignoring it.	16:44
MohammadAG	it also shows it for sociality	16:44
MohammadAG	doesn't happen locally though	16:44
mece	nope	16:44
mece	I guess autobuilder is just a bit of a douche that way :)	16:44
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mece	anyway, thanks for the help MohammadAG :)	16:51
MohammadAG	you're welcome mece :)	16:51
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mece	yay it seems to work :)	16:55
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GAN900	Watch, Nokia's going to have some WP7 event in June after the MeeGoConf and give away the N950s there	18:08
GAN900	Along with free Will It Blend blenders.	18:09
ShadowJK	let me guess, free WP7 phones at the meegoconf?	18:11
ShadowJK	(Or then google shows up again and hands out free Samsung Nexus S)	18:12
GAN900	Ugh, kill me.	18:12
GAN900	Getting rid of that damn Nexus One was hard enough.	18:16
* RST38h kills GAN ritually		18:16
GAN900	I don't know how people happily use Android.	18:16
RST38h	what is wrong with it?	18:16
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GAN900	It's not Maemo	18:21
GAN900	For all of Maemo's warts, at its core is something I want to use.	18:21
ShadowJK	A guy at work has Samsug Galaxy something or other. flash doesn't work. upgrading os doesn't work. Other guy has a htc cheapo. Flash works, but 1GHz snapdragon is way underpowered for flash...	18:22
GAN900	Not only are both Android and Google perniciously evil, but Android just isn't something I want to use.	18:22
RST38h	Not being Maemo isn't a sufficient problem to hate it though	18:22
GAN900	Worse, it's covered in warts.	18:22
RST38h	ShadowJK: Just about any CPU is underpowered for flash =)	18:22
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ShadowJK	true	18:22
ShadowJK	Seemed underpowered compared to flash on n900 is what I meant	18:23
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SpeedEvil	It's depressing.	18:23
RST38h	<lcuk-mode-on>	18:24
RST38h	You should look at the bright side and start learning C#! writing C# apps for WP7 is really easy and you can sell them in the app store and make $$$!	18:25
GAN900	It just works!	18:25
GAN900	:P	18:25
ShadowJK	The only reason I want to code is to glue together missing bits	18:25
RST38h	And the phones are cool, they have got good specs, and integrate well with your Windows apps!	18:25
RST38h	</lcuk-mode-off>	18:25
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GAN900	I have a deep moral and philosophical disagreement with Google.	18:25
ShadowJK	Like gluing openvpn and openssh on so I can access my damn email	18:26
RST38h	GAN: Given that Google is a corporation which (not being sentient or even human) cannot have morals or philosophy, I think you should reconsider =)	18:26
ShadowJK	All the things I'd want to code are things that you couldn't do in wp7, and probably would never qualify as a MeeGo compliant app either	18:29
RST38h	ShadowJK: I am sure WP7 does all thesethings by default, there is noneed to code them!	18:33
ShadowJK	lol	18:33
ShadowJK	When is putty for WP7 coming	18:34
ShadowJK	and vnc	18:34
ShadowJK	that's the bare minimum :-)	18:34
RST38h	There is going to be RDP =)	18:35
RST38h	and what would you need putty for? typing commands into your windows7 desktop? =)	18:35
ShadowJK	for getting anything useful done	18:36
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Wizzup	Recently I did this, http://wiki.maemo.org/Disable_the_ambient_light_sensor . But apparently it also disabled blacking the screen when actually _calling_ with the phone. So my ear had pressed random buttons and actually send a mail.	18:38
DocScrutinizer	haha	18:40
Wizzup	Explains why the mail was empty	18:40
DocScrutinizer	yeah, that's inevitable	18:40
Wizzup	For a moment I thought the phone had been rooted, lol	18:40
DocScrutinizer	nah wait	18:40
DocScrutinizer	the ALS????	18:40
Wizzup	hm-hm, it no longer blacks the screen when calling	18:40
DocScrutinizer	what got ALS to do with blanking the screen during a call?	18:41
Wizzup	I don't know, it just didn't.	18:41
DocScrutinizer	also I wonder why anybody would want to disanle ALS at all	18:42
Wizzup	It's the only thing I've changed in a long time	18:42
DocScrutinizer	disable*	18:42
Wizzup	Well, I disliked the way it changed the backlight	18:42
DocScrutinizer	fair enough	18:42
GAN900	RST38h, you know what I mean.	18:46
SpeedEvil	http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spraav2/spraav2.pdf - TI assembly guidelines for POP	18:46
SpeedEvil	Somewhat randomly	18:47
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Papayawhip	an other python dbus question :) -> bus=dbus.SessionBus(); x=dbus.Interface(getobject blabla); x.set_property('volume', 30); then i get an dbus timeout message, but the volume is set. what i need to change that no reply is expected?	19:36
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RST38h	Samsung has unveiled a brand new 10.1-inch display that supports a maximum of 2560?1600 pixel resolution that could be ripe for next generation tablets.	20:25
trx	sounds nice	20:29
GAN900	Weee	20:30
Cor-Ai	o rly?	20:34
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Arkenoi	Is it true pixels or that "subpixels" fraud when 2 counts as 3?	20:41
GAN900	Pixel doubling for games will actually work there.	20:41
GAN900	Probably true pixels	20:41
RST38h	Pixel doubling as in "doubling" or as in "2xSAI"?	20:42
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GAN900	As in playing at 1280x800	20:48
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RST38h	Ah, that... Good luck finding games that will do that.	20:51
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lcuk	RST38h, cpu/gpu will need to improve drastically!	20:53
RST38h	lcuk: memory bandwidth will need to improve	20:54
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lcuk	RST38h, many things will	20:56
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lcuk	especially for modern titles	20:56
VladNistor	hello. I seem to be locked out of my n900. I turned it off for a while and turned it back on and it asks for the lock code. 12345 doesn't work. I have found a solution at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808&highlight=lock+code but I can't figure out how to get into the device and run it. please provide assistance if you can. thanks.	20:56
lcuk	but I note, that will look awesome with line drawing	20:56
lcuk	no need for AA, super fast perfectly clear	20:56
lcuk	RST38h, where is the news article about it?	20:57
RST38h	lcuk: CPU/GPU may actually be ok, as strange as it sounds	20:57
Sc0rpius	well	20:57
Sc0rpius	I changed the N900 keypad with one of those chinese keypads you find in the web	20:57
VladNistor	I understand I need to run echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1\|tail -1): , but I don't know how to get to the device and run it :)	20:57
Sc0rpius	they are terrible but at least they are complete.	20:57
RST38h	lcuk: As the physical screen size is the same 10", you won't be able to put morevisual elementsanyway	20:57
RST38h	Sc0rpius: BTW, found a way to fix Camel?	20:58
Sc0rpius	it's hard if it never crashes on me	20:58
RST38h	oh	20:58
lcuk	RST38h, but the visual elements you have can be rendered clearer	20:58
lcuk	ie fonts lines etc	20:58
RST38h	Didn't crash on me for the last few days too, probably got afraid of retaliation =)	20:59
Sc0rpius	heh	20:59
Papayawhip	VladNistor: have you a ssh deamon running?	20:59
RST38h	lcuk: Correct. But this doesnot require much CPU or GPU power, just memory bandwidth as more data is being transferred	20:59
VladNistor	Papayawhip, nope, it asks for the lock code when I turn the device on for some reason	21:00
nid0	VladNistor: step 1 is reflashing the device.	21:01
Papayawhip	VladNistor: when you have a ssh deamon installed then you can conntect through ssh to your device	21:01
Papayawhip	and then send a dbus call to unlock it	21:01
VladNistor	nid0, yeah, I was hoping to escape that	21:02
Papayawhip	or reflash :)	21:02
VladNistor	Papayawhip, it's not connected to a network, so even if ssh is running i couldn't connect to it	21:02
VladNistor	i've tried usb networking via rescue initrd, but busybox won	21:03
lcuk	afaik reflash does not clear lockcode	21:03
nid0	no it doesnt	21:03
nid0	but it clears the requirement to enter it	21:03
VladNistor	won't let me enter $ and :	21:03
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nid0	and the info VladNistor has found is the way to recover the current code	21:03
VladNistor	but won't the phone still ask for the lock code after i reflash?	21:03
nid0	no	21:03
nid0	the current code will still be in place, but it wont be enabled	21:04
VladNistor	alright, reflash it is then i guess :( thanks nid0, Papayawhip	21:04
lcuk	nid0, hm so user data will remain?	21:05
Papayawhip	but wait, isn't is possible to overwrite a single file with the flasher binary?	21:05
Papayawhip	reflash will kill the contactlist and more...	21:05
VladNistor	i do regular backups of my contacts, so that's not a problem, but reinstalling everything is indeed a pain in the but	21:06
Papayawhip	don't you backup the software list?	21:07
VladNistor	what's weird is the phone asking for the code out of the blue :( I may have a list but it's outdated, i don't do that backup that often :)	21:07
Papayawhip	it's included in regular backups, if you dont uncheck it	21:08
VladNistor	haven't done one of those in a while unfortunately, i do export my contacts every once in a while :P	21:08
vldcnst	VladNistor: backups backups backups!	21:08
VladNistor	i know, i know :) but i never expected for it to ask for a lock code ;)))	21:09
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Papayawhip	VladNistor: reinstalling via commandline isn't a pain :)	21:10
VladNistor	yeah, aptitude does a good job, but I need to have the list	21:10
VladNistor	so i only need to flash the rootfs, correct?	21:11
Papayawhip	jep	21:12
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VladNistor	thanks	21:13
Papayawhip	and thanks for the backup reminder :D	21:13
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VladNistor	my pleasure!	21:17
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topro	Hi, anyone here knows what's happened to eCoach development? Website and SVN seems dead for more than one year now.	21:42
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rtyler	SpeedEvil: which brings me to my other weekend project, getting that MeeGo n900 MMC image working	22:44
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rtyler	the silly flasher doesn't run properly or have source I can compile for my arch	22:44
SpeedEvil	Sigh.	22:44
rtyler	heh	22:45
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paul___	where can I get the original busybox binary that came with the n900?	23:45
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