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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you're probably pretty close to all fanatic islamists: "Our blood is no real blood. Only your blood is real blood" | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Nah, that is too deep for me | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Doc: I simply suspect the whole bin Laden craze to be a hoax, on the basis of it being a little bit too convenient | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they have a tendency to think of *this* life as something unreal, and it's a good thing to escape from it | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so wait 50 years, I bet they tell us Bin Laden never existed as a real human being, but more like some incarnation of god that's immortal by definition | 00:03 |
| RST38h | Doc: This approach is not specific to Islam though, mostly specific to places with a lot of piss poor single 16-25 years old males with no prospects for advancement | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 00:04 |
| yigal | crusades, poor ass Germany WWII | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Doc: In the middle ages, wars usually took care of weeding these out | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you forgot "and with abysmal education" | 00:04 |
| yigal | stop the poor ass males from going crazy, please | 00:04 |
| RST38h | yigal: you find a solution for this problem, and they will give you a Nobel Peace Prize at the very least | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | [hint: concentration camps have been tried before, think harder] | 00:06 |
| yigal | damnit | 00:06 |
| rm_work | umm, huge porn drops? | 00:06 |
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| rm_work | just keep them in their rooms all day | 00:06 |
| Hukka | RST38h: They weren't run by women | 00:06 |
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| Hukka | Ergo not all of the poor ass males were on the right side | 00:06 |
| rm_work | IMO free porn == problem solved | 00:07 |
| RST38h | Hukka: this does not actually matter at the end | 00:07 |
| RST38h | Hukka: You have got male group A watching male group B. The only difference between those is the fence placement and the weaponry | 00:08 |
| Hukka | Yeah, but if it was a female group watching the males it might end up differently | 00:08 |
| yigal | :D | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Hukka: Smarter dictators had constant rotation between these two groups | 00:08 |
| Hukka | Might be interesting if all the armed forces were changed female only | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Hukka: "Female group watching the males" is pretty much a definition of any modern education system | 00:09 |
| Hukka | Not in our university it isn't | 00:09 |
| yigal | are you monks or are they all lezbians? | 00:09 |
| RST38h | Ok, primary-through-high school education. | 00:09 |
| Hukka | And more often than not the principals even in lower levels are men | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Depends. | 00:10 |
| yigal | Hukka: ah separation of the sexes, so sad | 00:10 |
| rm_work | I went to a private gradeschool where our principle actually WAS a nun T_T | 00:10 |
| yigal | did she beat you with a meter stick? | 00:10 |
| RST38h | rm_work: Have you been shown a sculpture of some crucified guy and told his grades were really low? =) | 00:11 |
| yigal | lol | 00:11 |
| Hukka | RST38h: Good one | 00:11 |
| rm_work | lol | 00:11 |
| nox- | haha | 00:11 |
| Hukka | "Always look into the bright side..." | 00:11 |
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| nox- | at the bright side... | 00:12 |
| nox- | :) | 00:12 |
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| jani | RST38h: url ? | 00:13 |
| mc_teo | Irlandais, douze points | 00:14 |
| yigal | great song either way | 00:16 |
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| RST38h | 11~1 | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n8-00-3-2-touch-screen-dual-camera-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-w-java-tf-red-71210 - I wonder how much it'd be to get one of these vendors to release something useful. | 00:25 |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: as in an open operating system on it? | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not this specific model. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it probably could run linux of a form - it's not going to do much well. | 00:36 |
| cehteh | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sm-w968-1-2-touch-screen-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-watch-with-bluetooth-headset-black-33641 | 00:36 |
| cehteh | haha | 00:36 |
| cehteh | 190grams | 00:37 |
| cehteh | gives a good punch :) | 00:37 |
| jani | not that much ui design effort in those screenshots | 00:37 |
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| cehteh | these things are not made for brand recognition or sustainable user experience | 00:38 |
| cehteh | the only point is to produce them as cheap as possible and sell them | 00:38 |
| jani | no shit =) | 00:38 |
| cehteh | anyone ever tried to get a warranty repair for such a phone? | 00:39 |
| cehteh | that must be an interesting experience | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Sure. | 00:40 |
| jani | i wonder if they bought gsm licenses from nokia ? =) | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The problem the west has is that it's not going to stay this way. | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | On the battery of above watch. | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | 'To preven tinjury or burns' | 00:42 |
| cehteh | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953 | 00:42 |
| cehteh | haha n900 mini :) | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Doesn't that just inspire you as to the quality and attention to detail in the product. | 00:42 |
| cehteh | there where some really good n900 fakes | 00:43 |
| cehteh | (good as in looking almost like the original) | 00:43 |
| cehteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t27QMN5AH2c | 00:44 |
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| jani | cehteh: damn, it booted fast! | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I love portrait mode hands. | 00:46 |
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| Venemo | cehteh, lol | 01:12 |
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| GAN900 | Ubuntu: Continually useless. | 01:18 |
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| Venemo | GAN900, why don't you give a try to F15? | 01:19 |
| Venemo | GAN900, it's still beta, but definitely worth a try | 01:19 |
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| GAN900 | If a laptop is supposedly "Supported" shouldn't things actually work? | 01:21 |
| Venemo | yeah | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | Certified, I should say. | 01:22 |
| Venemo | "certified" is supposed to be better than just "supported" | 01:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Why smart devices are a bad idea. | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | http://i.imgur.com/S0UZQ.jpg | 01:25 |
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| rm_work | ROFL | 01:28 |
| clmbr | hi all | 01:28 |
| nox- | haha | 01:28 |
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| BCMM | if one submits a GPG key for one's Garage account, is one then compelled to sign everything one uploads? | 01:34 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, trying to connect to my IrSSI session in screen via Terminus on the iPad. Seems to be working well :-) | 02:44 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, you have an iPad? | 02:45 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: bought it yesterday whilst in the US | 02:45 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, does it worth its money? | 02:45 |
| Jaffa | For when the N900 is too small or battery life too shit. | 02:46 |
| Venemo | mhm | 02:46 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa, can you lart X-Fade for me? :D | 02:46 |
| Jaffa | I liquidated some other gadgets to get the xash | 02:46 |
| merlin1991 | my cloak is still mia :P | 02:46 |
| Jaffa | s/xash/cash/ | 02:46 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: I liquidated some other gadgets to get the cash | 02:46 |
| Venemo | for such cases, I'd rather have some android tablet which I can hack meego on | 02:46 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: pping re merlin1991's cloak... | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the ipad jailbroken yet? | 02:47 |
| Jaffa | I played with some | 02:47 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: It's still shit and the reviews are right. | 02:48 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, "it"=? | 02:48 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: No, and that is one of my cpncerns | 02:48 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: Honeycomb | 02:48 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, well, that doesn't really matter much. as I said, I'd hack meego onto it | 02:48 |
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| Jaffa | Venemo: There're still vendor-specific jailbreaks required, aren't there; or do those not required for the big boys? | 02:50 |
| Venemo | dunno | 02:50 |
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| Venemo | what I do know is archos for example opened up their devices | 02:50 |
| GAN900 | Well, after the 10.10 installer helpfully nuked my W7 partition and I reinstalled 11.04 from scratch resume seems to be working. | 02:51 |
| GAN900 | Woo | 02:51 |
| Venemo | GAN900, congrats :) | 02:51 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, how's Detroit. Immigration control didn't abuse you too terribly I hope? | 02:51 |
| Venemo | anyway now, it's 2 AM and I'll have an exam tomorrow... so I'd better get some sleep | 02:51 |
| Venemo | so, good evening guys :) | 02:52 |
| GAN900 | Later | 02:52 |
| Venemo | bb | 02:52 |
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| yigal | I have a UMPC that has a female micro usb port. I've just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on it, I'm wondering if there's a way to ssh into the new device via usb as I would on an N900? If someone has any clue and is willing to share I'd be grateful. | 02:53 |
| xd13 | when i can actually afford it i want to buy an imac and put slackware on it put a ban sticker on the apple logo and a penguin one 2......the only problem is i'll b supporting apple by purchasing the laptop | 02:54 |
| xd13 | macbook not imac | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yigal: You need to setup sshd listening on the port, and then setup a USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port. | 02:55 |
| Venemo | xd13, lol | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | xd13: Steal it. | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:55 |
| xd13 | na | 02:55 |
| xd13 | apple has to be the company i hate more than any other | 02:56 |
| xd13 | i'm not saying they have bad products by any means they just control the living shit out of everything and i will hate them endlessly for it | 02:56 |
| Venemo | actually, google is even more evil | 02:56 |
| yigal | SpeedEvil: how do I do the "USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port" business? | 02:56 |
| xd13 | google can turn super evil at any second | 02:57 |
| Venemo | google _is_ super evil | 02:57 |
| xd13 | at least they give free products | 02:57 |
| yigal | SpeedEvil: is this a pretty standard business, should I just rtfm e.g. google it? | 02:57 |
| GAN900 | xd13, Apple doesn't lie about it, though. | 02:57 |
| xd13 | very true | 02:57 |
| xd13 | but it sucks that people don't care | 02:57 |
| GAN900 | xd13, Google just PRETENDS to be Open. | 02:57 |
| xd13 | they just give in | 02:57 |
| GAN900 | Which is fine | 02:58 |
| Venemo | xd13, android does the same thing as apple. the difference is, apple admits openly that it is evil, but google doesn't. | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yigal: pretty much. | 02:58 |
| xd13 | if they ever join forces | 02:58 |
| Venemo | google lies about itself; this makes it more evil | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yigal: maemo isn't doing anything special. | 02:58 |
| Venemo | [01:57] <xd13> but it sucks that people don't care ----> sucks indeed | 02:58 |
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| xd13 | i have an ipod video with rockbox on it | 02:58 |
| yigal | SpeedEvil: that's great! ok I have my next move planned then | 02:59 |
| xd13 | best mp3 player ever right now but if this thing dies i will have 2 find me something that i can just drag and drop files onto no way am i dealing with a humongo piece of software just to copy my music over | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yigal: This assumes that USB device functionality works. | 03:00 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes rockbox would work on later ones. | 03:00 | |
| yigal | SpeedEvil: the device has a regular, A female USB 2.0 port, and a micro female USB port, at least the "regular" one is working? | 03:01 |
| xd13 | same time there are a lot of smaller mp3 players now with a lot of storage, i remember there was this sony 64gb one that was only in japan but oh man was it nice | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I like my n900 as a media player. | 03:03 |
| xd13 | i should b getting that good rater battery soon | 03:04 |
| xd13 | for some reason usps held on to it for 3 days without delivering | 03:04 |
| yigal | better than a Fedex delivery I had where the guy claimed to come in the night time and found no one at home, when it was 1pm and I was waiting for my package | 03:10 |
| yigal | I made sure to call Fedex and claim before the time the deliverer claimed to come by my house | 03:12 |
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| cityLights | hi , anyone awake? | 09:51 |
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| krayon | cityLights: I'd be in trouble if I wasn't, being at work an' all :P | 10:06 |
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| cityLights | I worte a program that needs to stay resident | 10:07 |
| cityLights | I now want to add a UI to start and stop it | 10:07 |
| cityLights | should my program be a class and I create an instance in the UI | 10:07 |
| cityLights | or should it be a stand alone | 10:08 |
| cityLights | I mean - I am new to UI | 10:08 |
| cityLights | I would basiclly runthe program from a shell and use ctrl-c to kill it | 10:08 |
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| cityLights | back, | 11:30 |
| cityLights | can anyone pls help me with the UI issue I asked about? | 11:30 |
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| Papayawhip | hey guys, i have some understanding problems with python and dbus. code: http://pastebox.de/OPs34ahihF/ both console commands and openBrowser() works fine, but the request in mafwNext() can not be found. can someone give me a hint whats going wrong? | 12:27 |
| robbiethe1st | I think your call is somwhat different | 12:30 |
| robbiethe1st | I've never used dbus really, but it looks like there's differences in format between the two calls - that dest option looks like it's missing in your call | 12:31 |
| chem|st | Hukka: is tracker aware of flac? if not it wont show in media* | 12:31 |
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| Papayawhip | @robbiethe1st yes you are right, but this missing text part came from try-and-error coding :D | 12:33 |
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| robbiethe1st | try putting "com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer" in there somewhere | 12:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably as the first string in bus.get_objexct | 12:34 |
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| Papayawhip | same here: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files | 12:36 |
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| robbiethe1st | Keep trying, messing with that and removing chunks | 12:37 |
| robbiethe1st | I've no clue really | 12:37 |
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| Papayawhip | hmh... when i add "--system --type=method_call" to the console command (like the browser command line) then it fails too... now whats the python code difference between "--system --type=method_call" and "" | 12:41 |
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| Hukka | chem|st: It used to be | 12:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | ruskie, ping | 12:58 |
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| Papayawhip | aww dbus.SessionBus() instead dbus.SystemBus() :D | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (tracker aware...) depends on what codec support is installed, I think | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: iirc my tracker is aware of flac | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | ruskie, disregard the ping, I've found an alternative :) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but only after I installed some codecs-extended support pkg | 13:07 |
| ruskie | psycho_oreos, erm | 13:07 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morn | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: apt-cache search flac | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: I think you need: decoders-support, tracker-extractor-flac | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | pick others as you feel may fit | 13:32 |
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| Khertan | I m playing currently with qml and the rss demo, while it s load on desktop, it didn't load rss item on my Maemo n900. How can i debug that and understand what happen ? | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://aa.net.uk/telecoms-mobile.html - wow. | 13:45 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes all ISPs were this awesome. | 13:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | (unfortunately, they charge a bit highly too) | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - allowing you to setup your APN to (effectively) point to a random internet IP. | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: chem|st: http://paste.debian.net/116846/ HTH | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: duh, what? | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they allocate arbitrary IPs for you? | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure not in public IP space, i.e. globally visible | 13:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | You connect to - effectively - 'your' APN | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder how that's implemented | 13:52 |
| vldcnst | relayed? | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, I wish coffee would kick in - I seem to have forgotten how IPs are assigned in internet :-o | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't that a strictly hierarchical system where your "backbone switch" has to allow you some particular IP? | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if range 10.0.0.0 - 10.0.255.255 is of provider A and I get assigned a particular IP out of that range, how is this SIM service going to "steal" that IP? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure the SIM APN could tunnel via VPN to 'my' APN, but that defeats the purpose of "backup hot standby" as they suggested in that website | 13:59 |
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| nid0 | if im reading it right you're conjoining 2 different options for the service | 14:00 |
| nid0 | you can simply get a data connection using a fixed block of ip addresses, *or* you can route the connection through your own l2tp server | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>and can have your block of IPv4 addresses as DSL backup over 3G<< | 14:00 |
| nid0 | if i'm reading it right | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm really lost on how that works | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get the >> Our data SIMs all have fixed IPv4, and can hav..." part | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's an IP out of their assigned IP range | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not possible to mimic the IP I get for my DSL | 14:03 |
| chem|st | yes, yes, OT: is the someplayer doing fine, does it work with the mediaplayer widget or does it have it's own, is managing playlists easier? | 14:03 |
| ruskie | why does that service sound like we offer VoIP on a cell phone? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tested it, found it somewhat obfuscated, and forgot about it | 14:04 |
| chem|st | ok so NO | 14:04 |
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| chem|st | that 'home'IP fallback is considered to have your home internet on that provider so they manage it,no? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's versatile but somehow inconsistent non-intuitive GUI | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if my DSL and that SIM are same provider, then it's no problem | 14:06 |
| chem|st | back to init5 | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | init5? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | rc5.d ? | 14:07 |
| edheldil | chem|st: are you looking for a better player than the default one? Me too ... | 14:08 |
| chem|st | edheldil: actualy something to manage playlist properly would be fine | 14:08 |
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| edheldil | (and why oh why can't that damned widget start player if it is not running already???) | 14:08 |
| chem|st | ??? | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is capable of doing that, but in a obscured way similarly non-intuitive to most other players I know of | 14:09 |
| chem|st | had no problems with the widget since 1.3 | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even worse | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: widget starting player works fine here | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (it is capable) was about someplayer | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | give it a try, YMMV | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems it has all you possibly want, if you manage to figure how to do it | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | also iirc it's no real FOSS | 14:11 |
| edheldil | DocScrutinizer: thanks ... strangely it started it now, so I was talking BS :) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 14:12 |
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| edheldil | Maybe I should create a table comparing different players, feature by feature | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the pocketsphinx PoC- pythonscript also is doing weird controstions to start mediaplayer | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | while there's a staightforward dbus-way to pop up mediaplayer on "playing now" tab | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | without any errormsgs | 14:14 |
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| edheldil | DocScrutinizer: the mediaplayer or a mediaplayer? | 14:15 |
| chem|st | the 'mediaplayer' | 14:15 |
| chem|st | actualy both | 14:15 |
| chem|st | afair there is some start-default-player | 14:16 |
| chem|st | don't know if it came through to pr1.3 as there was not made use of | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course you can have some mimetype assignment to start arbitrary apps on "clicking on" a *.mp3 | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm talking about thatdbus mafw thing | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actully: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer open_mp_now_playing #(hail bash history!! \o/) | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmmpf | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>dbus-send: Data item "open_mp_now_playing" is badly formed<< | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: au secours | 14:27 |
| Papayawhip | hey, i have the same problem :D | 14:27 |
| chem|st | Papayawhip: which of the 365? | 14:28 |
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| Papayawhip | mafw | 14:28 |
| chem|st | that the buttons do not work? | 14:28 |
| Papayawhip | yep | 14:28 |
| chem|st | ok | 14:28 |
| Papayawhip | and dbus | 14:28 |
| chem|st | which dbus | 14:29 |
| chem|st | the cmd | 14:29 |
| chem|st | com.nokia.mafw.renderer.play | 14:29 |
| chem|st | ? | 14:30 |
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| Papayawhip | no, i mean the dbus call to check if the mediaplayer ist actually playing | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik that needs a fle to play as argument | 14:30 |
| Papayawhip | *is | 14:31 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Already had those installed | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 14:31 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: .play starts the current selected track from the beginning | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | then some reset cmd to tracker should make it re-index and consider flac as well | 14:31 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't help | 14:31 |
| Hukka | First thing I tried | 14:32 |
| Papayawhip | playing a file: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:"file:///..." | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 14:32 |
| Hukka | Yeah | 14:32 |
| Papayawhip | works good | 14:32 |
| Hukka | I'm trying to downgrade next, I saw a tip for that on t.m.o | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might run into some weird mimetype conflict when you got multiple players installed (only wild handwaving) | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your .desktop files (grep flac) | 14:34 |
| Hukka | I don't have any... | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 14:35 |
| Hukka | And opening from file manager works fine | 14:35 |
| Hukka | And the mediaplayer notices the metadata | 14:35 |
| Hukka | It just isn't in the album or artist index | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that suggests you actually have a mimetype for .flac | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once have seen a lengthy list of file extensions tracker is looking at, forgot where though | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | some cfg or whatever file | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a cfg.d/* | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever | 14:37 |
| chem|st | Papayawhip: when your "what is playing now" doesn't work something else is wrong and th widget cannot handle a IDK state | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | output of some tracker-* cmd | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really fail to recall | 14:37 |
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| Hukka | "apt-get install --reinstall ogg-support=1.0.5" worked fine | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I'm DAMN sure I tested that dbus cmd and it opened player on "now playing" 'tab' | 14:38 |
| Papayawhip | chem|st: i know wich media file is selected (artist, album and so on) but i dont know if its playing... (to render a play or pause button) | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: \o/ though :-o | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pretty please consider to file a ticket on bugtracker | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I can't ATM as I fsckd up my tracker completely lately) | 14:40 |
| chem|st | Hukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music... | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah!!! thanks chem|st | 14:42 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I bow down to fgrep | 14:42 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 14:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Good old Unix tools save the day | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | every single day | 14:44 |
| chem|st | yeah and I am sitting on a windows machine having pendrivelinux running in a qemu 2 putty windows open... | 14:44 |
| Papayawhip | DocScrutinizer: did you mean dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing ? there is a missing "." | 14:45 |
| chem|st | ohm my mocp died... | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | where? | 14:45 |
| chem|st | debian qhezzy | 14:45 |
| chem|st | whezzy | 14:45 |
| chem|st | weird | 14:45 |
| Papayawhip | DocScrutinizer: last param, last section | 14:46 |
| chem|st | something is wrong with the playlistfile it seems | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Papayawhip: so can't you paste the correct call here? | 14:47 |
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| Papayawhip | i did | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 14:48 |
| Coke | Yo guys. I'm looking at a web page that has an SVG image. Works fine in firefox, IE and iphone, but the image doesn't show up in my browser on the N900. Any ideas why the SVG option is disabled? | 14:49 |
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| chem|st | Coke: link pls | 14:49 |
| Papayawhip | sorry i meant "there _was_ a missing.." my fu**ing english :D | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Papayawhip: you tested that? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it looks wrong | 14:50 |
| Papayawhip | yes, it works | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o.O | 14:51 |
| Papayawhip | bj-n900:/opt/lv# dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing | 14:51 |
| Papayawhip | method return sender=:1.237 -> dest=:1.307 reply_serial=2 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks, will test in 5min | 14:51 |
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| chem|st | Coke: ? | 14:51 |
| Coke | hang on | 14:52 |
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| Coke | chem|st: http://lohmanders.se/test/index.sv.html | 14:52 |
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| chem|st | http://palita.net/wiki/Datei:Tux.svg just tried that one and it worked... | 14:53 |
| chem|st | or http://palita.net/w/images/3/35/Tux.svg as direct link | 14:54 |
| Coke | chem|st: that doesn't help me though | 14:54 |
| Coke | I want my SVG to show, I can't use another SVg. | 14:55 |
| Coke | just validated the page and the SVG, it's all valid. | 14:55 |
| chem|st | Coke: you send a link to a page and not to an svg... where do I go there? | 14:55 |
| Coke | Even IE 8 shows it, albeit no animation | 14:55 |
| Coke | chem|st: that page is supposed to contain an SVG | 14:55 |
| Coke | http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg | 14:56 |
| Coke | that's the actual SVG | 14:56 |
| chem|st | and how can I tell if it is missing if the page looks normal to me? | 14:56 |
| Coke | chem|st: because I wrote the page | 14:57 |
| chem|st | Tävla&vinn... shows | 14:57 |
| Coke | yeah its supposed to show in the lower right corner | 14:57 |
| Coke | as it is rendered in every other browser ive tried | 14:57 |
| chem|st | mhh | 14:57 |
| Coke | ff 3, 4, ie 8 and 9 and iphone | 14:57 |
| Coke | ff 3 was tested on linux and windows, both work nice even animates | 14:58 |
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| chem|st | maemo browser has some issues where pages end | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: haha, what's the sound of a falling tree, when nobody listens to it? | 14:58 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ^^ | 14:58 |
| Coke | maemo has some issues, period. can't be 4 years behind the rest of the world. | 14:58 |
| auenf | Coke, does it work in fennec? | 14:59 |
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| chem|st | maemo FF does render it | 14:59 |
| chem|st | Coke: file a bug | 14:59 |
| chem|st | auenf: yes | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: it's hard to tell if sth looks odd when you never looked at the right thing before | 15:00 |
| auenf | so its probably fixed by using a newer build of microb | 15:00 |
| Coke | chem|st: nah. i guess n900 owners just wont be able to compete then | 15:00 |
| Coke | or get a real browser | 15:00 |
| chem|st | Coke: there is fennec... | 15:00 |
| Coke | chem|st: thanks for verifying tho | 15:00 |
| chem|st | write a bug report pls | 15:00 |
| auenf | microb buildconfig does have --enable-svg | 15:01 |
| Coke | chem|st: yeah, I just wanted to verify that it is indeed broken on N900, I'm good with 99.9999% accessibility | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Papayawhip: indeed, it works :-D | 15:01 |
| Coke | wasnt sure if it was the SVG, the HTML or maemo's browser, but now I know. | 15:01 |
| Trewas | that page really doesn't look like any thought has been given to mobile browsers anyway | 15:01 |
| auenf | but its gecko 1.9.2b6 | 15:01 |
| Coke | Trewas: works fine on my N900 except for the SVG not showing | 15:01 |
| chem|st | but fennec is brkóke too | 15:01 |
| auenf | wonder if a firefox of that same gecko will fail the svg... | 15:01 |
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| Trewas | Coke: may work, but very big 1024xsomething page is not exactly phone-friendly | 15:02 |
| Coke | Trewas: my phone has a zoom | 15:03 |
| chem|st | Coke: I would say if you are sure it is not the code... as the svg can be loaded in the browser | 15:03 |
| chem|st | it just does not load on that page | 15:03 |
| Coke | chem|st: works fine on every other browser I've tried | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | fennec is unusable :( | 15:03 |
| Coke | and that covers 99.99999% of the users | 15:03 |
| chem|st | Coke: that is not important | 15:03 |
| Coke | Yes it is. | 15:03 |
| auenf | Coke, which version of firefox did you try? | 15:03 |
| Coke | I can quite comfortably ignore myself and the three other N900 users in this country. :) | 15:03 |
| Coke | (i know both of them so I can just tell them) | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | opera update for diablo \o/ | 15:04 |
| Coke | auenf: 3 and 4 on win and lin | 15:04 |
| auenf | 3 or 3.5? | 15:04 |
| Coke | 3.6 even i think | 15:04 |
| chem|st | Coke: if you want it on M5 microb it doesn't matter and as I am able to load that svg with microb I would say there might be something wrong at your side | 15:04 |
| Coke | chem|st: it is validated 100% on W3C | 15:04 |
| chem|st | but as I do not know your code... | 15:05 |
| Coke | chem|st: and it work in browsers that do use gecko. | 15:05 |
| Coke | and whatever it is MS is using | 15:05 |
| Coke | and iphone, i think webkit? | 15:05 |
| chem|st | Coke: I can write websites w3c valid without anything loading in i.e opera... | 15:05 |
| Coke | I might try it on opera just to be safe and include the 0.1% that use opera. | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, pester timele... *cough* | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah | 15:06 |
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| Papayawhip | DocScrutinizer: \o/ :D | 15:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 15:06 | |
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| chem|st | Coke: again THE DAMN SVG loads in microb just not on the website | 15:06 |
| Coke | chem|st: works fine in Opera too | 15:06 |
| chem|st | so microb has no problem with the svg but how it is called | 15:06 |
| Coke | chem|st: I replaced the SVG with an animated GIF, still missing on N900 | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:07 |
| Coke | but it's ok | 15:07 |
| chem|st | and it shows "alternative" | 15:07 |
| chem|st | I see the text instead | 15:07 |
| Coke | i dont even see that | 15:07 |
| Coke | using the default browser of N900 anyway | 15:07 |
| Coke | I gotta split and pick up a case of beer before they close. | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a zillion ways to fsckup a html page, even a w3c tested one | 15:07 |
| chem|st | Coke: would you mind to pastebin the lines?! | 15:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: +5 | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: can't you watch the 'source' e.g in konqueror? | 15:08 |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: if this is indeed a case of really bad rendering options in my HTML, then so be it | 15:08 |
| Coke | works fine on all the browsers that matter | 15:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I am a lazy BOFH | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:08 |
| Coke | I'm also not sure it's not a problem with the default browser | 15:08 |
| Coke | for instance, default mail client can't handle attachments properly | 15:09 |
| Coke | so I'm sort of skeptical that everyone else got it wrong and maemo default browser got it right | 15:09 |
| chem|st | if a .gif is not loading as well there is even more pointers that the call is w3c "true" but just wrong... | 15:09 |
| Coke | these are all well known standards. | 15:09 |
| Coke | chem|st: it works on every browser I've tried now. maybe I should try midori also just in case | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are if there's e.g. a js line saying "if browser=*gecko* then load SVG" then all the browsers are right, and still some not showing it | 15:10 |
| chem|st | pdf is well known but have you ever tried to find a line of anything in a pdf-code? | 15:10 |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: there's no such thing in there | 15:10 |
| Coke | chem|st: how does that relate to anything? | 15:10 |
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| Coke | The bottom line is: works in every browser on the planet except N900 default one | 15:11 |
| Coke | just like nested attachments work in every mail client I've used except the default one on N900 | 15:11 |
| Coke | also, animations were turned off for the SVG so I'm gonna have to stick with gif. | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Coke: that's a long known problem | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (microb and nested attachments) | 15:11 |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: im ok with it | 15:12 |
| Coke | I mainly use my phone for chatting and SSH. | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be precise attachements in only one part of alternative/text | 15:12 |
| auenf | ok, the final 3.5.2pre nightly should tell us if svg is 100% working... | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ala that's exactly what iPhone does when sending picture attachments | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas* | 15:13 |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: I think OSX might do that too, not sure | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's attaching the picture to the html subpart only | 15:13 |
| chem|st | the gif works btw | 15:13 |
| Coke | worked fine in midori too, I think it's the latest webkit it's using | 15:13 |
| Coke | 1.4.0 | 15:13 |
| Coke | chem|st: you see it on the site? | 15:13 |
| Coke | Oh, I do too | 15:14 |
| Coke | So the default browser just can't handle it. | 15:14 |
| auenf | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100315 Namoroka/3.6.2pre | 15:14 |
| auenf | and it shows up | 15:14 |
| Coke | OK. well, IE doesn't animate the SVG anyway (nor does iphone or n900) so I guess I'll have to stick with the patented, non-free, non-standard image format to be compliant with modern browsers. | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | err s"alternative/text"multipart" | 15:14 |
| auenf | so really need a new microb build ;) | 15:14 |
| Coke | MS says IE 9 has animated SVG support, but I dunno. | 15:15 |
| Coke | GIF89a it is· | 15:15 |
| chem|st | Coke: the gif shows | 15:15 |
| chem|st | on n900 | 15:16 |
| chem|st | microb | 15:16 |
| Coke | Yeah. Ofcourse it does, it's non-standard | 15:16 |
| Coke | 2011 non-standards still work better than the standards. :) | 15:16 |
| Coke | I'll have to add "inferior non-standard" since GIF really sucks ass. | 15:16 |
| Coke | Thanks for testing it guys. | 15:17 |
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| Coke | Does animated SVG work on OSX at all? | 15:18 |
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| Coke | anyway gotta rush to buy booze already | 15:18 |
| Coke | bb | 15:18 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: w3c gives 20 Errors on his page... that much about "it is all w3c proof" | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | words are cheap | 15:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the html is fine... | 15:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer scrolls up to find the URL | 15:21 | |
| chem|st | only the css is screwed, and thats the way I would turn off IE ;) | 15:21 |
| chem|st | http://lohmanders.se/test/index.sv.html | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, and where's the svg | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | what does the SVG look like? | 15:23 |
| chem|st | http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg | 15:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer might consider "open in firefox" | 15:23 | |
| chem|st | the svg opened in microb solely but not within the page... | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, konqueror shows empty page | 15:23 |
| chem|st | hehe | 15:24 |
| chem|st | windows FF4 doesnt animate it.... | 15:24 |
| chem|st | it just converts to png haha | 15:25 |
| chem|st | I open the picture and look at details and it shows as png, link on top says svg | 15:25 |
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| chem|st | "optified for Win IE8"... ROFL | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already wondered about the friggin *.sv.png links in source | 15:28 |
| chem|st | auenf: btw some of those closed-partly open only distributed things solely by nokia need some upstream love | 15:28 |
| chem|st | firefox just converts the svg to png | 15:28 |
| chem|st | to display | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: congrats for finding another well designed sneaky bomb of M$ to 'conquer the world (of internet)" | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | they love to do that on all their "cute" tools like frontpage at al | 15:29 |
| chem|st | bomb in terms of browsers always reminds me of the safari carpetbomb | 15:29 |
| auenf | chem|st, theoretically you can build microb off one of the newer mozilla trees | 15:30 |
| chem|st | "cut(e)" tools | 15:30 |
| auenf | but i havent got around to doing it | 15:30 |
| auenf | and i'd probably add mng back in if i bothered ;) | 15:30 |
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| chem|st | ~carpetbomb | 15:31 |
| chem|st | ~safari | 15:31 |
| infobot | methinks safari is ORA (plus others) books online (http://safari.oreilly.com/) or Apple's web browser (http://www.apple.com/safari/) | 15:31 |
| chem|st | ~safaricarpetbomb | 15:31 |
| chem|st | ~safari-carpetbomb | 15:31 |
| chem|st | ~useless | 15:31 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from chem|st in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 15:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki safaricarpetbomb | 15:31 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=safaricarpetbomb&go=Go | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki carpetbomb | 15:32 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=carpetbomb&go=Go | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~+listkeys carpet | 15:32 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'carpet' by key (5): red-carpet ;; the_carpet's mailadress ;; redcarpet ;; redcarpet (a redhat product) ;; carpet. | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 15:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 15:32 |
| chem|st | safari carpet bomb was that safari downloads runlevel windows dlls to the desktop without asking the user, and windows looks on the desktop first for those dlls (instead of just system32) | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | safari been designed for a sane real OS | 15:34 |
| chem|st | so you build a page for safari injecting dlls to the desktop and then you tell the gui that he has to start IE to see this page BOOM! | 15:34 |
| merlin1991 | hm wtf is up with kernel-power? http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ tells me 2.6.28-maemo46 is the latest, but ham shows me an update for 2.6.28-10power47 | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Version table: | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1:2.6.28-10power47 0 | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2.6.28-maemo46 0 | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 15:37 |
| sezuan | are there any other voip clients for the n900? | 15:37 |
| chem|st | sezuan: yes | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power47 | 15:38 |
| chem|st | sezuan: the question is funny as if you are asking for a "second" | 15:38 |
| chem|st | there are actualy many | 15:38 |
| sezuan | chem|st: can you recommend one? | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: how did you get that version table? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks thoroughly messed up | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache policy kernel-power | 15:39 |
| chem|st | well there is skype there is jabber/xmpp there is SIP | 15:39 |
| sezuan | I mean another SIP client. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | none integrated into dialer that nicely | 15:40 |
| chem|st | sezuan: don't know if you get twinkle to work but that is a good one (easy debian not integrated to telpathy) | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually noone succeeded in building twinkle for embedded | 15:40 |
| sezuan | I'm not very happy with audio quality. A desktop softphone and the Nokia E71 works perfect in the same network with the very same server. | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs too many unsupported libs, or sth, also qt3 | 15:41 |
| chem|st | sezuan: uh got no problems | 15:41 |
| sezuan | mayben a try linphone-cli | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course audio of twinkle has no pukeaudio support, and alsa support of maemo PA is flaky at best | 15:41 |
| sezuan | chem|st: at least every few minutes, it seems some rtp gets lost, or sometimes there seem to be bursts of several seconds. I've seen no special pattern. | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sflphone | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seem to have seen it ported to fremantle | 15:43 |
| sezuan | It also seems almost codec independed. So far, g729 seems to be the most robust codec. | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sflphone-common - SIP and IAX2 compatible softphone - Core | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to say I'm not too happy with that implementation of SIP in maemo via telepathy-sofiasip | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it nicely integrates into telepathy-based dialer framework, but same time does way too much abstraction and hides away many of the nicer features/setting-options of SIP from user | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | audio problems however are usually caused by connectivity problems, like WLAN issues with AP and PSM | 15:49 |
| sezuan | what I'm also missing is a proper callerid handling. | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that as well | 15:49 |
| merlin1991 | anyone know where the 1:2.6.28-10power47 power kernel came from? | 15:49 |
| sezuan | DocScrutinizer: What is PSM? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | some guy pipin? took over maintainership of PK | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | power savings mode | 15:50 |
| sezuan | ah yes. I've read about it. | 15:50 |
| sezuan | hmm... sflphone-client-gnome is too new for sflphone-common. | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I guess there could be done more to ToS in IP packets and to bandwidth management than what sofiasip and maemo wifi does | 15:51 |
| Venemo | ~wtf ToS | 15:51 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what ToS means... | 15:51 |
| Venemo | ~ToS | 15:52 |
| infobot | tos is probably type of service, or the operating system for the Atari ST.. Terms of Service | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | type of service | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | a header byte of IP packets, to priorize etc | 15:52 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | see man ping for example | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Which many ISPs ignore. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure, but many APs obey it | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping -Q tos | 15:53 |
| sezuan | i assume the most critical part is the connection to the ISP. After that, the should be enough bandwidth. | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course net neutrality of ISP | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | some deliberately add jitter to packets identified as RTP by stateful packet inspection, to mess up VoIP | 15:57 |
| sezuan | maybe someday they artificially disturb rtp traffic and charge for stop doing it. | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | they do now | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except for the chargeing part | 15:57 |
| sezuan | bastards | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course way more common on GPRS data connections than on DSL | 15:59 |
| sezuan | yes. | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | for obvious commercial reasons | 15:59 |
| Venemo | ~RTP | 15:59 |
| sezuan | in germany you pay an extra fee to use voip on mobile networks... | 15:59 |
| infobot | from memory, rtp is The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets. | 15:59 |
| Venemo | ah | 15:59 |
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| sezuan | end of neutrality. *sigh* | 16:00 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer, chem|st: So... upgrading the ogg-support removes flac from the default.services? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: is this a find of yours, or a question? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know for sure if it is the root cause for that problem | 16:03 |
| Hukka | Question, since obviously downgrading the package helped, and chem|st mentioned that file | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't duplicate right now here | 16:03 |
| Hukka | Well, you have the new version of ogg-support, right? | 16:04 |
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| Hukka | I have the downgraded version, I'll check what tha file says | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't even know which version I have | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: you could check mdate/cdate of that file | 16:04 |
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| Jaffa | re | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Was good. Glad to be back and get a proper cup of tea, though | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: iPad 2 exchange rate is shiny | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Not so much if you have to pay import and VAT | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: *cough* | 16:06 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Well, based on time stamp downgrading did write to that file | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (& Jaffa ?) could you have a short look at kernel-power v47 please? there's something severely fishy | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (I have not, for the purposes of avoiding doubt - purchased an ipad.) | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I am actually looking at purchasing an ipad screen - sortof. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It would make a silly upgrade to my old laptop. | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: then you could do community a favour, copy that file to a backup now, then update and diff the both files | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ipad screen (which fits beautifully), beagleboard type processor, and reuse the shell. | 16:07 |
| merlin1991 | hm I just realized flac playback in the mediaplayer stopped working for me | 16:07 |
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| merlin1991 | but it works as a ringtone | 16:08 |
| merlin1991 | wtf? | 16:08 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Hm. why not, yeah | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, Detroit looks like a warzone these days. Bored with the iPad yet? :P | 16:09 |
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| Hukka | Weid, apt doesn't suggest upgrading the ogg-support | 16:09 |
| GAN900 | Every iOS product I've ever handled goes something like this "Damn. Shiny. ... Bored now." | 16:09 |
| Hukka | Does it remember my old command to use the older version? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: see Hukka | 16:09 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: I never had problems with flac playback | 16:10 |
| Hukka | I could play them from the file manager | 16:10 |
| Hukka | The problem was purely with tracker | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: nevertheless it adds more mystery to that whole flac issue | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have a hard time thinking it's mere coincisdence | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | every flac file has a duration of 59:59 an unkown artist / unkown album | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | and the file name as title in the playlist | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's tracker | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | and doesn't play | 16:11 |
| Hukka | merlin1991: Have you tried playing from file manager? | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | but I think that's no implemented in openmediaplayer atm | 16:12 |
| Hukka | But do you see the files in the album view in the media player? | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Not bored yet, no. For the use cases I want it (web browsing at home, device at conferences with decent battery life) it works well :-) | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | so I'm trying to revert to the stock player atm | 16:12 |
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| Hukka | merlin1991: Err, so you have a problem that something that never has worked, isn't working? | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | Hukka: I see them under unkown artist | 16:12 |
| Hukka | I've never used anything but the stock player with addons | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | Hukka: it worked just fine | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | some time ago | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | (with open mediaplayer from the album view) | 16:12 |
| Hukka | Oh, ok. You said it wasn't implemented | 16:12 |
| Hukka | Ok, so only the file manager doesn't see that | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's obviously a rogue/broken new version for flac support out there somewhere | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | but I'll revert my mediaplayer now and see if it works from file manager then | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: Hukka fixed his issue | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by downgrading some ogg-support | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | see backscroll | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | yea I read it | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | but that fixed a tracker issue for him | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | but playback still worked | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yours as well is a tracker issue | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | so I want to narrow my problem down | 16:14 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure if ogg-support has been pulled... | 16:15 |
| Hukka | Because I can't find a version higher than 1.0.5 anymore | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should've checked what's your installed version prior to downgrade - maybe merlin can help out | 16:16 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: That's true | 16:16 |
| merlin1991 | at least the package interface says that there's still 1.0.7~rc1 see http://maemo.org/packages/view/ogg-support/ | 16:17 |
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| Hukka | merlin1991: Yeah, that's right | 16:17 |
| Hukka | I don't know why apt doesn't see it | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# dpkg -l ogg-support ->>ii ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n900 | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | and the file is still in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/o/ogg-support/ | 16:18 |
| Hukka | Err | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | also: apt-cache policy ogg-support | 16:18 |
| Hukka | I only have extras-testing enabled now | 16:18 |
| merlin1991 | ah that's it | 16:19 |
| merlin1991 | testing and extras only have 1.0.5 | 16:19 |
| Hukka | That is, my extras-devel has disappeared from the sources.list completely | 16:19 |
| sezuan | DocScrutinizer: it seems that disabling the power saving mode helped. | 16:19 |
| Hukka | merlin1991: Yeah, but that makes it really interesting how my mediaplayer got updated just a few days ago | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sezuan: \o/ | 16:19 |
| Hukka | Anyway, if you or DocScrutinizer can upload your default.service, I'll make a diff | 16:20 |
| Hukka | Or I can just upload mine | 16:20 |
| * sezuan looks for his additional battery. | 16:20 | |
| * merlin1991 needs MohammadAG | 16:20 | |
| merlin1991 | where's the .service file for mediaplayer? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-13 13:42:13] <chem|st> Hukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music... | 16:21 |
| Hukka | Here's mine: http://pastebin.com/my9tq1Mz | 16:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I mean another .service file | 16:21 |
| merlin1991 | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.mediaplayer.service is what I was looking for | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: (duck and cover, 6 lines paste!) | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# grep -C1 flac /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | TileMetadata=Audio:Title;Audio:Artist;Audio:Album;Audio:Genre;Audio:Duration;Audio:ReleaseDate; | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mimes=audio/ogg;application/ogg;audio/x-flac;audio/x-flac+ogg;audio/x-vorbis+ogg;audio/mpeg;audio/x-mp3;audio/x-mpeg;audio/mp3;audio/x-wav;audio/wav;audio/x-m4a;audio/x-mp2;audio/mp2;audio/x-amr;audio/AMR;audio/x-ms-wma;audio/basic;audio/mp4;audio/AMR-WB; | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShowServiceFiles=true | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, only 4 | 16:23 |
| merlin1991 | ffs ofc I didn't back it up, can you paste me the exec line from that one ? :$ | 16:23 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Same as mine | 16:23 |
| Hukka | So I suppose that wasn't the problem | 16:24 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Btw, do your flacs show in album lists? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Exec=/usr/bin/mediaplayer | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: I killed my tracker lately | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: actually | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | [D-BUS Service] | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Name=com.nokia.mediaplayer | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Exec=/usr/bin/mediaplayer | 16:25 |
| merlin1991 | I only needed the exec part :) | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | (3 lines in that file) | 16:25 |
| Hukka | I have the problem that I am not even sure what was updated when the problem happened | 16:25 |
| Hukka | I did it via the official application manager, and that's always very sneaky | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's our recent problem right now | 16:26 |
| Hukka | Told me that it's updating my "media player", nothing else | 16:26 |
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| Hukka | But at least the package "mediaplayer" hasn't been updated since last october | 16:26 |
| merlin1991 | media can't be played, media format not support | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | tells me the stock player | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | how on earth does it work as my ringtone then? | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: can you do a full backup (maybe via sftp://) of rootfs, then downgrade to ogg-support1.0.5 as Hukka suggested? | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ringtones are converted to a hidden .wav file somewhere in your home | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it never uses the original file | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it'd take way too long to set up the needed gstreamer pipe for all the random mediafile formats | 16:30 |
| Hukka | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39299&page=18 also mentions that removing packages is essential | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so dialer is using the always same hidden auxilary f.wav file | 16:30 |
| merlin1991 | so I still have a .wav file from back when it still worked | 16:30 |
| Hukka | For me they got autoremoved, but someone claims that if that doesn't happen, you need to remove them yourself | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: exactly | 16:31 |
| Hukka | (Though I only had the tracker-extractor-flac, not the gstreamer packages) | 16:31 |
| merlin1991 | what's the apt command to install a specific version again? | 16:32 |
| merlin1991 | nm found it | 16:32 |
| merlin1991 | another question, any way to poke tracker to rebuild it's db? | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | (other than rebooting the n900) | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, you can purge the old db, but no idea how to force tracker to do a new one *now* | 16:33 |
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| merlin1991 | Hukka: I'll try reverting to 1.0.6~rc1, because I think I had that one working stable | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | (and it does flac tags) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | stop trackerd;rm;start trackerd | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: there's a tracker-* cmd | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mentioned in this chan like 1 week ago | 16:35 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: tracer-processes -r | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | +k ;-D | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -r, --hard-reset This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases | 16:37 |
| Hukka | It actaully also restarts them, and then it starts rebuilding | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | downgrading ogg-support now | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, I really fscked my tracker. It's not reindexing since I tracker-processes -r'd last week | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should restore my /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg.ORIG | 16:40 |
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| merlin1991 | LMAO | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | dpkg -l gstreamer0.10-flac | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | status pn | 16:42 |
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| merlin1991 | hm seems like the install of ogg-support takes care of tracker | 16:44 |
| merlin1991 | it restarted it and touched all .flac files | 16:44 |
| Papayawhip | is there an example python code to get the mafw player state? | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | hm | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | downgrade to 1.0.6~rc1 brought me back tracker infos | 16:46 |
| Papayawhip | mafw.Rederer has no usefull methods.. | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | but I still can't play flac files? | 16:47 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: any ideas on why I can't play flac? mediaplayer tells me mediaformat isn't supported, but gstreamer0.10-flac is installed? | 16:51 |
| chem|st | re | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: not really, I assume you rebooted? | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc I had to install ogg-support to make mediaplayer aware of flac | 16:55 |
| Hukka | merlin1991: Do you decoders-support? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 16:55 |
| merlin1991 | I installed ogg-support | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | (reinstalled to 1.0.6) | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather it pulls in dependencies that aren't downgraded properly | 16:57 |
| chem|st | apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer0.10-flac libflac8 | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: nope | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | apt-get autoremove | 16:57 |
| chem|st | hehe | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | + reboot | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO!!!!! | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get autoremove kills quite some other bits | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: my autoremove isn't broken :D | 16:57 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: if you want no audio till reflash proceed | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | it only removed gstreamer0.10-av gstreamer0.10-maemo-xiph | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | then it still didn't work | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | --> reboot | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you did it before | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | works now | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | my autoremove for example kills SIP | 16:58 |
| chem|st | autoremove is a lazy bitch and there is a reason why it is not in bash_completion | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | works fine on my device | 16:59 |
| chem|st | flac works? | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | yes now it works | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | downgraded to 1.0.6 | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | removed the leftover packages from 1.0.7 | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | reboot | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, fool! autoremove works, but your system breaks | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | and it worked | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: autoremove works like it should here! | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes it does!!!! | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | because I have a flashed 1.3 and not upgraded | 16:59 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: nope autoremove works like it should on a non-embedded system | 16:59 |
| merlin1991 | autoremove totally is broken when you did a ota upgrade | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a non-messed up system like maemo | 17:00 |
| chem|st | ROFL | 17:00 |
| merlin1991 | having directly flashed pr 1.3 keeps your system debs around when autoremoving :) | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:00 |
| chem|st | it prolly uninstalled some libs you didn't try to use yet | 17:01 |
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| Hukka | chem|st: He just said what it uninstalled... | 17:01 |
| Hukka | gstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph | 17:01 |
| chem|st | Hukka: he prolly used the cmd before so... | 17:02 |
| merlin1991 | anyway, to keep all the info in 1 place ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 is broken | 17:02 |
| merlin1991 | 1.0.6~rc1 works | 17:02 |
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| merlin1991 | and to downgrade sucessfully you need to remove gstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph after the --reinstall | 17:02 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: and I have a flashed 1.3 too... | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools >># autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: maybe I'm just lucky, or it is indeed the fact that there are some libs wich I simply don't try to use | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: maybe both ;) | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I checked with dpkg -l rtcom-accounts-voip-support it is still installed | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing | 17:04 |
| Hukka | I'm still wondering where I got a newer ogg-support if my extras-devel is not enabled | 17:04 |
| Hukka | Though I'm pretty sure I installed something from -devel last week | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | that's indeed weird | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | btw Hukka 1.0.6~rc1 works just fine and has tag extractor as opposed to 1.0.5 | 17:05 |
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| Hukka | merlin1991: tag extractor? | 17:05 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you need to do some apt magic to get it removed by autoremove... but flicking in apt on cli is just enough magic to get some flags changed | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I'm absolutely sure I didn't anything except apt-get install | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I'm an apt noob | 17:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already removed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag | 17:06 |
| Hukka | Depending on what apt you use some packages are marked as "automatic" and some not | 17:06 |
| Hukka | I mean in some frontends all the dependencies autoinstalled are marked like they were manually installed | 17:07 |
| chem|st | s/removed/installed/ | 17:07 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: DocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already installed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag | 17:07 |
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| merlin1991 | ~lart merlin1991s wireless ap | 17:07 |
| * infobot decapitates merlin1991s wireless ap conan the destroyer style | 17:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:07 |
| chem|st | Hukka: autoremove removes only apps installed with some other stuff | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | can't use powersaving with the n900 | 17:08 |
| Hukka | New or old conan? | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | or ssh doesn't work | 17:08 |
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| chem|st | means install something by hand and the flags change from system to pulled-in-from-app and get recognized in autoremove | 17:08 |
| Hukka | chem|st: Yeah, but depending on what front end is used to install, different stuff is marked as autoinstalled | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a decent AP | 17:08 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Are there any? | 17:09 |
| Hukka | Well, I suppose there are decent, if not good | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 17:09 |
| chem|st | I mean --reinstall does that for sure and if the program you try to install is already installed the flags change as well | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems my d-link mostly works | 17:09 |
| chem|st | at least as long there is only one dependency | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with PR1.3 ;-P | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: scary | 17:10 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: apt is indeed scary | 17:10 |
| kulve | merlin1991: DocScrutinizer: if you know why the 1.0.7 rc1 didn't work for you, please send me a mail | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | mail??? ll | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol even | 17:10 |
| kulve | I'm planning to put it to testing later but it should work for everybody by then | 17:10 |
| merlin1991 | kulve: I have no idea why it didn't work | 17:11 |
| chem|st | watch your hdd buffer on your local machine for stuff getting touched... | 17:11 |
| merlin1991 | but with it I neither had tags in tracker | 17:11 |
| merlin1991 | nor playback in mediaplayer | 17:11 |
| kulve | DocScrutinizer: well, you can complain here too, if you wish but don't expect it to magically repair itself. Bugzilla works too. | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'll try /whois | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no mail addr in your /whois | 17:12 |
| kulve | DocScrutinizer: use the bugzilla then | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure merlin1991 will do, once he finds out - or Hukka | 17:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer has no waorking tracker at all ATM | 17:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I can just help, but no way open up a proper ticket | 17:14 |
| merlin1991 | kulve: is there anything I can do to find out why it didn't work for me? | 17:14 |
| merlin1991 | atm I can just tell you what symptoms I had :D | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: first thing: diff your downgraded working system rootfs to the backup you made | 17:15 |
| kulve | merlin1991: you can try from the command like with gst-launch but it takes a bit work and knowledge to get good reports about what's happening | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you get a list of affected files | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody with apt/dpkg knowledge probably also can tell you what files actually come with 1.0.7 | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and which dependencies get pulled in | 17:16 |
| merlin1991 | that part I can even manage myself | 17:16 |
| Hukka | kulve: So, did tracker work fine with flac for you? | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | with such a list it should be easy to make a qualified diff and see what looks suspicious | 17:17 |
| Hukka | kulve: The only symptoms I had was that I couldn't see my flac tracks via mediaplayer, worked via file manager | 17:17 |
| kulve | DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=ogg-support | 17:17 |
| kulve | Hukka: yes, the flacs worked too, but I did only quite a quick testing.. | 17:18 |
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| kulve | this usually tells quite a lot what's happening: gst-launch -v playbin2 url=file:///foo/bar.ogg | 17:18 |
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| Hukka | Shouldn't that only show problems with playback? | 17:19 |
| kulve | and that's close to what the Media Player does as well | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or .flac here | 17:19 |
| Papayawhip | have someone an idea howto get the playing state from the mediaplayer? | 17:19 |
| kulve | Hukka: yes, the tracker is a bit different | 17:19 |
| Hukka | kulve: Yeah, because playing did work, media player even showd the right album and artist info | 17:19 |
| Hukka | But the tracks just weren't in the media database | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Papayawhip: MohammadAG should know, and source of mediaplayerwidget should show some example | 17:19 |
| kulve | "tracker-files -m audio/x-vorbis+ogg" should list all ogg files with that mime type | 17:20 |
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| kulve | "tracker-files -s Music" should list all music files | 17:20 |
| kulve | "tracker-info file.ogg" should list what tracker can find out about the file | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're talking about .flac still | 17:20 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Well, we can extrapolate the commands ;) | 17:20 |
| Papayawhip | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks, but the widget is written in c. the c library has a documentation, but the python-bindings are useless -.- | 17:20 |
| kulve | DocScrutinizer: yeah, just replace those parts. I had those in my notes, so I just cut'n'pasted them | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | just felt like mentioning it to save anybody's time | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, I know why I don't accept any 1st level helpdesk jobs :-D | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | "please type: dir<ENTER>" | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ": dir<ENTER> : command not found" | 17:25 |
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| auenf | DocScrutinizer, cause you cant read the level 1 script you have to work off? | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, I just get headache when reading it | 17:26 |
| auenf | but it is unreadable | 17:26 |
| chem|st | I don't speak japanese in chinese translated english | 17:27 |
| auenf | work colleague was trying to get his isp to finish installing his adsl | 17:27 |
| auenf | aparently the pair was connected to the MDF, but not to his unit/apartment | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | major fail | 17:28 |
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| auenf | went thru the whole page with level1, and then the guy actually said 'you have reached the end of all that TPG can help you with' | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | they need to find a second pair, and need to start over with a new job to do so | 17:28 |
| auenf | it was worse than that | 17:28 |
| auenf | aparently the tech that did it, didnt tag the pair cause he hooked it up to a unit | 17:29 |
| auenf | and someone else made a call to it ;) | 17:29 |
| auenf | err, call on it | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | had that some 6 months ago, at the bar of a friend | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he's been waiting like 10 weeks for some dude to come and connect the last mile to the feed from cellar to his bar | 17:30 |
| auenf | trying to explain the problem to the l1 guy was impossible | 17:30 |
| auenf | he kept insisting to reset the modem | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I called a friend at telekom and asked him which are the numbers on the pair, and fixed it in like 30min | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | gave the line a call and checked the multiplexer connector block in cellar, to find the line ringing proper | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, of course I wasn't supposed to touch that sh*t | 17:33 |
| auenf | of course | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it saved my friend another 3 months of waiting | 17:33 |
| auenf | if the line was tagged properly, i would have hooked it up to the unit | 17:33 |
| auenf | which reminds me, he tried to ring his number | 17:33 |
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| auenf | and someone 3 suburbs over answered | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: cable company decided we need to get another modem for phone so guy came installed new modem, everything fine | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | besides the fact, that the number was wrong after that | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | calling support | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | "no we don't change numbers, that's impossible" | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | where the fuck am I calling you from then? | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | ... | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | oh | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | SILENCE | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | VoIP? | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | it took them a week to fix that | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | phone over "telekabel" however that's called | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, yeah | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sheds some light about their security policies and vulnerability | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | I bet if you connect any modem to the line with some random id, you'd still get a line | 17:37 |
| auenf | talk about telco privacy | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you could use arbitrary numbers of your country, as long as you manage to find a number that'S hosted by them and you break the credentials | 17:37 |
| auenf | ex boss had about 6 mobiles on a group plan, so single bill | 17:37 |
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| RMCampos | hi everyone | 17:37 |
| auenf | then some other number showed up one month | 17:37 |
| auenf | when he rang up to sort it out, they couldnt tell them anything cause it was a different password to see those details | 17:38 |
| auenf | but this other person could ring up and see all the details for all the numbers on the group | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 17:39 |
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| auenf | and its not like the addresses were similar | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, database reused the index primary key, or sth | 17:39 |
| auenf | 2785km between the addresses too | 17:40 |
| auenf | the 2 different states dont even share a border | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter for the index :-D | 17:40 |
| auenf | nope, its just the crappy telco ;) | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | kulve: what do you want me to add to the bug report when I do my 10.0.7~rc1 doesn't work rant? | 17:41 |
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| kulve | merlin1991: well, getting the bug about it is the first thing. You can add all the info you thing might be relevant. Others can then ask questions or add more details | 17:43 |
| kulve | s,bug,bug report, | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: add the hotfix at very least! | 17:44 |
| merlin1991 | "hotfix" :P | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | detailed instructions | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | will serve both for others dealing with same problem, and for devels narrowing down the issue | 17:45 |
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| merlin1991 | hm theore is the video and vorbis is the audio codec, right? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the ringtone aux file is ~user/.local/share/sounds/*.<original-format-ext>.wav | 17:50 |
| RMCampos | when i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this http://pastebin.com/6Q0kbFbP, someone can help? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: afaik yes | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | theora | 17:51 |
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| merlin1991 | nitpicker ;) | 17:51 |
| RMCampos | when i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this http://pastebin.com/6Q0kbFbP, someone can help? | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RMCampos: are you sure you're root and don't use some weird shell? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think my root on maemo talks to me in any locale other than C | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. english | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, actually LANG=de_DE, so this was not a correct statement | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway a 'LANG=C <whatever-was-the-command-you-did-that-borked>' would help a lot | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also pastebinning your cmdline as well, instead of only the cmd's stderr output also helps | 18:04 |
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| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: yes, /bin/sh I try with bash4 also, but the problem persist | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nota bene you got busybox as your default shell on maemo | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /bin/sh doesn't mean much | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -l `which sh` does though | 18:07 |
| RMCampos | hm | 18:07 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 13 16:38 /bin/sh -> busybox | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks ok | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's 'id' | 18:08 |
| RMCampos | id? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | id | 18:08 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: where? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | in xterm | 18:08 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's 'echo $HOME" | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's 'echo $HOME' | 18:09 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: /home/ricardo | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that doesn't look like maemo | 18:10 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: hm | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be /root | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no /home/ricardo on maemo/N900 | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 18:12 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: the user "ricardo" is for ssh, is an user only ssh | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | gotta go | 18:12 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: look: | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to use 'root' for proper login to root, never use 'sudo gainroot' | 18:13 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: echo $HOME: | 18:13 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: /root | 18:13 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: yes, i see that now | 18:13 |
| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: but the problem is the same | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you have to check the postrm file in that .deb | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems there's some odd command in there | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 18:14 |
| RMCampos | ok, thanks | 18:15 |
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| RMCampos | DocScrutinizer: where is the postrm file? /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems there's also /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm a noob with all this dpkg/apt stuff | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevermind: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2010-06-23 06:03 /var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt | 18:31 |
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| n900-space | hey all \o | 18:35 |
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| n900-space | i'm performing a big dd operation on n900, what i am looking for is a way to make the device beep several times to get my attention when the dd operation is done. Any ideas? | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, in ogg-support:postrm -> dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches" | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | this doesn't usually work from root, without run-standalone.sh | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | rcg: your problem might be similar | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | RMCampos: ^^^ | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry rcg - ETAB | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | RMCampos: this might actually be a case where you need to do 'sudo gainroot', but *from user account* | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or do 'run-satndalone.sh apt-whatever-you-did' | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | kulve: see my last 5 lines | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 7 actually | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hukka: merlin1991: ^^^ | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kulve: -->rationale: root's session-dbus is not what you'd expect it to be, so calls like those to session dbus will most likely throw an error when run under proper root account | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kulve: -->fix: afaik, doing "/path/to/run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org..." should work | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it's still kinda deprecated as you won't see what's going on on your N900 screen when logged in via remote ssh | 18:51 |
| * GAN900 needs to find a good backpack for SF. | 18:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | we hat that topic like <24h ago, not for the first time | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: how would a script find out about real file/device-type of stdout (i.e. if it runs in a xterm, on console, or as a subprocess of e.g. HAM)? | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | For a .deb? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for anything | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | What's the goal here? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know shell itself has a notion about it being 'interactive' | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the goal is to figure if we have a proper stdout that can show stderr | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g. to decide if there's any sense in output of "echo "continue (Y/n)?" 1>&2" | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of programs/scripts have a notion about this, and behave differently depending on it | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the particular goal here however is for preinstall/postrm scripts | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course something like 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches" || :' would help a bit as well | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 'if dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches"; then :; fi' if you like that better | 19:02 |
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| kulve | DocScrutinizer: that has been working for the past 18 months. Why wouldn't it work now? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on what you call 'working'. It works from HAM, but usually fails from a root xterm apt-get foo... | 19:03 |
| kulve | if the dbus-send fails, does the whole postinst fail? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB only fails on a true root shell, not a "fake" one that you get by "sudo gainroot" | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, afaik it aborts | 19:05 |
| kulve | I guess it should be then like: dbus-send ... | true | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | had that problem iirc with starhash | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or : which is a lil bit shorter than true | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw || if I'm not mistaken | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe a 'dbus-send .... || echo "dbus failed, so I'm telling you this way about X" 1>&2' could work nicely | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/had that problem iirc with starhash/had a bugreport with starhash that is still unfixed/ | 19:13 |
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| Surjikal | Hey guys, is there package for the haskell computer? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think fapman also doesn't care about run-standalone.sh to cal apt, as HAM obviously does | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so iirc uninstalling or updating *# broke when a user tried it via fapman | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ah, I see. No idea. :P | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surjikal: search for haskell? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surjikal: http://maemo.org/packages/ | 19:17 |
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| Surjikal | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: echo $TERM ?? | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | Shouldn't something tell you whether it's interactive? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, *sth* should | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I asked ;-D | 19:23 |
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| GAN900 | Teehee | 19:24 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah, dunno what specifically, though. | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, so I don't feel that much stupid anymore at least | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | Seems like that's got to be a common thing. | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:27 |
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| Surjikal | how can I find the cpu architecture of my device (n900)? | 19:28 |
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| slonopotamus | Surjikal: slide kb out, turn n900 screen back from you and read what you see | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | uname -m in console will also work | 19:31 |
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| Surjikal | slonopotaus, LOL thank you | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo $MACHTYPE ->arm-unknown-linux-gnu | 19:33 |
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| jacekowski | Surjikal: it will work on other N900 phones as well | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | Surjikal: however results will be the same every time | 19:34 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: that doesn't work | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, doesn't work? | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | of course | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: WFM | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it's what he's interested in is of course another wuation | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | question even | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | MACHTYPE isn't set in almost all distros (except the exotic one you use, i guess) | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, the exotic one called maemo, or opensuse | 19:38 |
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| slonopotamus | there is no such env variable in maemo | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# echo $MACHTYPE | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | arm-unknown-linux-gnu | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | oh, i see that, it's bashism | 19:39 |
| slonopotamus | btw, that string isn't very useful, it doesn't say what arm variant it is | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then it says it's linux-gnu ;-D | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin usefull | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never claimed it's the answer to the question about live, universe, and all. That'd be 42 | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | life* | 19:43 |
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| pupnik_ | blessn900 does a wonderful job with exposure | 20:17 |
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| merlin1991 | http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2011_1/linux-world-map-large.png | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | even has the meego island :D | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | there should be a huge penguin playing the role of the turtle and elephants | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where is maemo? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | stallman sea, owowowowwwww | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | not on there :/ | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | love it how small the gpc sea is :D | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | buntkuhstan hehe | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPL sea? | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noob desert \o/ | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart Logitech, for using such crappy switches | 20:44 |
| * infobot shoots Logitech, in the head for using such crappy switches | 20:44 | |
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| merlin1991 | yea gpl sea | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw re twinkle: you probably should find less problems to get a cmdline-only version of twinkle built on maemo | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least original author michel de boer put much effort into making it truly platform/arch independent | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why twinkle uses named pipes rather than dbus | 20:52 |
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| Saz|Mobile | alright guys | 21:06 |
| Saz|Mobile | i cannot for the life of me get this usb networking to work on my n900 | 21:06 |
| Saz|Mobile | i plug my device into the pc, and feed it the rndis drivers | 21:07 |
| Saz|Mobile | it installs, but then gives me "device cannot start (code 10)" | 21:08 |
| Saz|Mobile | what am I doing wrong | 21:08 |
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| BCMM | Saz|Mobile: what OS does the pc run? | 21:15 |
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| GAN900 | 50/60s in SF | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | It'll be like a vacation from the heat | 21:26 |
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| E0x | anyway for put extension number | 21:44 |
| E0x | in contacts ? | 21:44 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Didn't read all the backlog, but I originally updated my N900 on the device itself | 21:48 |
| Hukka | I only did the downgrade via ssh | 21:48 |
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| Teth | your mothers all suck cocks in hell | 21:54 |
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| GAN900 | Well your mother sews socks that smell! | 21:59 |
| E0x | Teth: you mothers suck cocks now in life | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: aren't you canop? :-D | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | chanop even | 22:06 |
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| * DocScrutinizer frowns about -NickServ- Information on Teth (account Teth): -NickServ- Registered : May 02 08:29:14 2010 (1 year, 1 week, 4 days, 10:37:50 ago) | 22:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I like to think of it as another case of "sorry, my little drunken brother grabbed my N900" | 22:12 |
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| Teth | E0x: my mother only sucks my father's cock | 22:29 |
| Teth | homofags | 22:30 |
| E0x | that is what you think | 22:30 |
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| Teth | hey, what i think: is truth | 22:30 |
| cehteh | the only truth is my /ignore | 22:30 |
| E0x | lol | 22:30 |
| Teth | cehteh has just admitted he's a pussy | 22:31 |
| Teth | who's next? | 22:31 |
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| Teth | FAGS | 22:35 |
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| GAN900 | Lame troll. | 22:47 |
| GAN900 | It's a competitive market out there these days. Gotta step it up. | 22:47 |
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| marthd | hi, i'm new to maemo and i have a problem setting up the qt-sdk. i always get "cannot execute binary file" for qmake. i googled a bit and found out that it might have something to do with the target, but what exactly do i have to do? can anyone help me? | 22:49 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: +b Teth!*@* | 23:01 | |
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| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: -b Teth!*@* | 23:02 | |
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| phap | peace to all of you | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the (chan)record: [Whois] Teth ist noway@cpe-184-58-4-1.woh.res.rr.com (caius@fu.org) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the (chan)record: cpe-184-58-4-1.woh.res.rr.com. 86393 IN A 184.58.4.1 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: woh.res.rr.com. 33630 IN NS dns-sec-01.ohiordc.rr.com. woh.res.rr.com. 33630 IN NS dns-pri-01.ohiordc.rr.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: dns-pri-01.ohiordc.rr.com. 3313 IN A 65.24.0.164 | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: weird, a troll on a years old nameserv account | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err nickserv of course | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ] -NickServ- Registered : May 02 08:29:14 2010 (1 year, 1 week, 4 days, 10:37:50 ago) | 23:19 |
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| djszapi | why does my fremantle (N90) not see the emmc, just the memory card after launching the pdfreader ? | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it plugged into USB? | 23:43 |
| djszapi | I am trying to click on the open option there, but it does not see the emmc meaning that it does not see the /home/user directory either | 23:43 |
| djszapi | it is not. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this a n900 which has never been over-the-air upgraded, and is still on PR1.0? | 23:44 |
| djszapi | yep | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that this is the symptom you see if the emmc has failed. | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | However, it could also be that reflashing will fix it, as it's merely corrupt. | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd start looking at dmesg to see if there are any errors listed. | 23:45 |
| djszapi | I am at the airport and the route map is in pdf | 23:45 |
| djszapi | I would like to take a look at it somehow, is there a possible workaround ? | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm | 23:46 |
| djszapi | from cli ? | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | does /home/user appear in the cli? | 23:46 |
| djszapi | yep | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | In that case - ignore above comments. First I'd try rebooting. Then I'd try copying the pdf over - cp - from the home dir to the SD card | 23:47 |
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| djszapi | it writes the sd card format is not supported. | 23:48 |
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| djszapi | so I am afraid the copy would not help | 23:48 |
| djszapi | cannot I just run the pdfviewer from cli ? | 23:48 |
| djszapi | what is the name of the pdfviewer binary ? | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | osso something | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be tricky | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Much stuff doesn't work well from CLI | 23:49 |
| djszapi | true, osso_pdfviewer | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can find the pdf on a google search, you can click on the 'quick view' link to get it to render as pdf | 23:50 |
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| djszapi | however, it does not open any pdf | 23:50 |
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| djszapi | seems this system is completely broken somehow | 23:52 |
| djszapi | there is no even error message on the stdout/err | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Most of the included programs don't reallyu do normal stfout | 23:53 |
| djszapi | well I have no idea how to fix it | 23:53 |
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| djszapi | should I reinstall the pdfviewer ? | 23:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | The pdf viewer is working as normal. | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | osso_pdfviewer opens it for me | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to work out why it's not mounting the emmc | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Or that. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/partitions - does it list the emmc? | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | However - first - if the web browser is working - I'd be looking for some service I cnn use to convert pdfs to html | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | pr1.0 ??!? o-O :-o | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt anybody here still remembers all the quirks it had | 23:57 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil what is the name of the emmc that I should see there ? | 23:57 |
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| GAN900 | That was 1997 or so, right? | 23:57 |
| djszapi | mmcblk1p* I see | 23:57 |
| * GAN900 wonders how many are left who remember OS2005. | 23:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk1p* | 23:58 |
| djszapi | yes, it it is there | 23:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | They should be listed with sizes - 32 million blocks or so | 23:58 |
| djszapi | yep it is | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat | 23:59 |
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