IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-05-13

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DocScrutinizerRST38h: you're probably pretty close to all fanatic islamists: "Our blood is no real blood. Only your blood is real blood"00:00
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RST38hDoc: Nah, that is too deep for me00:01
RST38hDoc: I simply suspect the whole bin Laden craze to be a hoax, on the basis of it being a little bit too convenient00:02
DocScrutinizerseems they have a tendency to think of *this* life as something unreal, and it's a good thing to escape from it00:02
DocScrutinizerso wait 50 years, I bet they tell us Bin Laden never existed as a real human being, but more like some incarnation of god that's immortal by definition00:03
RST38hDoc: This approach is not specific to Islam though, mostly specific to places with a lot of piss poor single 16-25 years old males with no prospects for advancement00:03
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yigalcrusades, poor ass Germany WWII00:04
RST38hDoc: In the middle ages, wars usually took care of weeding these out00:04
DocScrutinizeryou forgot "and with abysmal education"00:04
yigalstop the poor ass males from going crazy, please00:04
RST38hyigal: you find a solution for this problem, and they will give you a Nobel Peace Prize at the very least00:05
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RST38h[hint: concentration camps have been tried before, think harder]00:06
rm_workumm, huge porn drops?00:06
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rm_workjust keep them in their rooms all day00:06
HukkaRST38h: They weren't run by women00:06
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HukkaErgo not all of the poor ass males were on the right side00:06
rm_workIMO free porn == problem solved00:07
RST38hHukka: this does not actually matter at the end00:07
RST38hHukka: You have got male group A watching male group B. The only difference between those is the fence placement and the weaponry00:08
HukkaYeah, but if it was a female group watching the males it might end up differently00:08
RST38hHukka: Smarter dictators had constant rotation between these two groups00:08
HukkaMight be interesting if all the armed forces were changed female only00:08
RST38hHukka: "Female group watching the males" is pretty much a definition of any modern education system00:09
HukkaNot in our university it isn't00:09
yigalare you monks or are they all lezbians?00:09
RST38hOk, primary-through-high school education.00:09
HukkaAnd more often than not the principals even in lower levels are men00:10
yigalHukka: ah separation of the sexes, so sad00:10
rm_workI went to a private gradeschool where our principle actually WAS a nun T_T00:10
yigaldid she beat you with a meter stick?00:10
RST38hrm_work: Have you been shown a sculpture of some crucified guy and told his grades were really low? =)00:11
HukkaRST38h: Good one00:11
Hukka"Always look into the bright side..."00:11
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nox-at the bright side...00:12
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janiRST38h: url ?00:13
mc_teoIrlandais, douze points00:14
yigalgreat song either way00:16
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SpeedEvil - I wonder how much it'd be to get one of these vendors to release something useful.00:25
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cehtehSpeedEvil: as in an open operating system on it?00:35
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SpeedEvilWell - not this specific model.00:36
SpeedEvilThough it probably could run linux of a form - it's not going to do much well.00:36
cehtehgives a good punch :)00:37
janinot that much ui design effort in those screenshots00:37
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cehtehthese things are not made for brand recognition or sustainable user experience00:38
cehtehthe only point is to produce them as cheap as possible and sell them00:38
janino shit =)00:38
cehtehanyone ever tried to get a warranty repair for such a phone?00:39
cehtehthat must be an interesting experience00:39
SpeedEvilcehteh: Sure.00:40
janii wonder if they bought gsm licenses from nokia ? =)00:41
SpeedEvilcehteh: The problem the west has is that it's not going to stay this way.00:41
SpeedEvilOn the battery of above watch.00:42
SpeedEvil'To preven tinjury or burns'00:42
cehtehhaha n900 mini :)00:42
SpeedEvilDoesn't that just inspire you as to the quality and attention to detail in the product.00:42
cehtehthere where some really good n900 fakes00:43
cehteh(good as in looking almost like the original)00:43
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janicehteh: damn, it booted fast!00:46
SpeedEvilI love portrait mode hands.00:46
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Venemocehteh, lol01:12
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GAN900Ubuntu: Continually useless.01:18
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VenemoGAN900, why don't you give a try to F15?01:19
VenemoGAN900, it's still beta, but definitely worth a try01:19
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GAN900If a laptop is supposedly "Supported" shouldn't things actually work?01:21
GAN900Certified, I should say.01:22
Venemo"certified" is supposed to be better than just "supported"01:22
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SpeedEvilWhy smart devices are a bad idea.01:25
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clmbrhi all01:28
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BCMMif one submits a GPG key for one's Garage account, is one then compelled to sign everything one uploads?01:34
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JaffaHmm, trying to connect to my IrSSI session in screen via Terminus on the iPad. Seems to be working well :-)02:44
VenemoJaffa, you have an iPad?02:45
JaffaVenemo: bought it yesterday whilst in the US02:45
VenemoJaffa, does it worth its money?02:45
JaffaFor when the N900 is too small or battery life too shit.02:46
merlin1991Jaffa, can you lart X-Fade for me? :D02:46
JaffaI liquidated some other gadgets to get the xash02:46
merlin1991my cloak is still mia :P02:46
infobotJaffa meant: I liquidated some other gadgets to get the cash02:46
Venemofor such cases, I'd rather have some android tablet which I can hack meego on02:46
JaffaX-Fade: pping re merlin1991's cloak...02:47
SpeedEvilIs the ipad jailbroken yet?02:47
JaffaI played with some02:47
JaffaVenemo: It's still shit and the reviews are right.02:48
VenemoJaffa, "it"=?02:48
JaffaSpeedEvil: No, and that is one of my cpncerns02:48
JaffaVenemo: Honeycomb02:48
VenemoJaffa, well, that doesn't really matter much. as I said, I'd hack meego onto it02:48
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JaffaVenemo: There're still vendor-specific jailbreaks required, aren't there; or do those not required for the big boys?02:50
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Venemowhat I do know is archos for example opened up their devices02:50
GAN900Well, after the 10.10 installer helpfully nuked my W7 partition and I reinstalled 11.04 from scratch resume seems to be working.02:51
VenemoGAN900, congrats :)02:51
GAN900Jaffa, how's Detroit. Immigration control didn't abuse you too terribly I hope?02:51
Venemoanyway now, it's 2 AM and I'll have an exam tomorrow... so I'd better get some sleep02:51
Venemoso, good evening guys :)02:52
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yigalI have a UMPC that has a female micro usb port.  I've just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on it, I'm wondering if there's a way to ssh into the new device via usb as I would on an N900?  If someone has any clue and is willing to share I'd be grateful.02:53
xd13when i can actually afford it i want to buy an imac and put slackware on it put a ban sticker on the apple logo and a penguin one 2......the only problem is i'll b supporting apple by purchasing the laptop02:54
xd13macbook not imac02:54
SpeedEvilyigal: You need to setup sshd listening on the port, and then setup a USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port.02:55
Venemoxd13, lol02:55
SpeedEvilxd13: Steal it.02:55
xd13apple has to be the company i hate more than any other02:56
xd13i'm not saying they have bad products by any means they just control the living shit out of everything and i will hate them endlessly for it02:56
Venemoactually, google is even more evil02:56
yigalSpeedEvil: how do I do the "USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port" business?02:56
xd13google can turn super evil at any second02:57
Venemogoogle _is_ super evil02:57
xd13at least they give free products02:57
yigalSpeedEvil: is this a pretty standard business, should I just rtfm e.g. google it?02:57
GAN900xd13, Apple doesn't lie about it, though.02:57
xd13very true02:57
xd13but it sucks that people don't care02:57
GAN900xd13, Google just PRETENDS to be Open.02:57
xd13they just give in02:57
GAN900Which is fine02:58
Venemoxd13, android does the same thing as apple. the difference is, apple admits openly that it is evil, but google doesn't.02:58
SpeedEvilyigal: pretty much.02:58
xd13if they ever join forces02:58
Venemogoogle lies about itself; this makes it more evil02:58
SpeedEvilyigal: maemo isn't doing anything special.02:58
Venemo[01:57] <xd13> but it sucks that people don't care ----> sucks indeed02:58
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xd13i have an ipod video with rockbox on it02:58
yigalSpeedEvil: that's great! ok I have my next move planned then02:59
xd13best mp3 player ever right now but if this thing dies i will have 2 find me something that i can just drag and drop files onto no way am i dealing with a humongo piece of software just to copy my music over02:59
SpeedEvilyigal: This assumes that USB device functionality works.03:00
* SpeedEvil wishes rockbox would work on later ones.03:00
yigalSpeedEvil: the device has a regular, A female USB 2.0 port, and a micro female USB port, at least the "regular" one is working?03:01
xd13same time there are a lot of smaller mp3 players now with a lot of storage, i remember there was this sony 64gb one that was only in japan but oh man was it nice03:02
SpeedEvilI like my n900 as a media player.03:03
xd13i should b getting that good rater battery soon03:04
xd13for some reason usps held on to it for 3 days without delivering03:04
yigalbetter than a Fedex delivery I had where the guy claimed to come in the night time and found no one at home, when it was 1pm and I was waiting for my package03:10
yigalI made sure to call Fedex and claim before the time the deliverer claimed to come by my house03:12
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cityLightshi , anyone awake?09:51
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krayoncityLights: I'd be in trouble if I wasn't, being at work an' all :P10:06
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cityLightsI worte a program that needs to stay resident10:07
cityLightsI now want to add a UI to start and stop it10:07
cityLightsshould my program be a class and I create an instance in the UI10:07
cityLightsor should it be a stand alone10:08
cityLightsI mean - I am new to UI10:08
cityLightsI would basiclly runthe program from a shell and use ctrl-c to kill it10:08
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cityLightscan anyone pls help me with the UI issue I asked about?11:30
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Papayawhiphey guys, i have some understanding problems with python and dbus. code:    both console commands and openBrowser() works fine, but the request in mafwNext() can not be found. can someone give me a hint whats going wrong?12:27
robbiethe1stI think your call is somwhat different12:30
robbiethe1stI've never used dbus really, but it looks like there's differences in format between the two calls - that dest option looks like it's missing in your call12:31
chem|stHukka: is tracker aware of flac? if not it wont show in media*12:31
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Papayawhip@robbiethe1st  yes you are right, but this missing text part came from try-and-error coding :D12:33
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robbiethe1sttry putting "" in there somewhere12:33
robbiethe1stProbably as the first string in bus.get_objexct12:34
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Papayawhipsame here: The name was not provided by any .service files12:36
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robbiethe1stKeep trying, messing with that and removing chunks12:37
robbiethe1stI've no clue really12:37
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Papayawhiphmh... when i add "--system --type=method_call" to the console command (like the browser command line) then it fails too... now whats the python code difference between "--system --type=method_call" and ""12:41
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Hukkachem|st: It used to be12:49
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psycho_oreosruskie, ping12:58
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Papayawhipaww dbus.SessionBus() instead dbus.SystemBus() :D13:01
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: (tracker aware...) depends on what codec support is installed, I think13:06
DocScrutinizerchem|st: iirc my tracker is aware of flac13:06
psycho_oreosruskie, disregard the ping, I've found an alternative :)13:06
DocScrutinizerbut only after I installed some codecs-extended support pkg13:07
ruskiepsycho_oreos, erm13:07
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DocScrutinizerHukka: apt-cache search flac13:30
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DocScrutinizerHukka: I think you need: decoders-support, tracker-extractor-flac13:31
DocScrutinizerpick others as you feel may fit13:32
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KhertanI m playing currently with qml and the rss demo, while it s load on desktop, it didn't load rss item on my Maemo n900. How can i debug that and understand what happen ?13:40
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SpeedEvil - wow.13:45
* SpeedEvil wishes all ISPs were this awesome.13:45
SpeedEvil(unfortunately, they charge a bit highly too)13:45
SpeedEvilI mean - allowing you to setup your APN to (effectively) point to a random internet IP.13:46
DocScrutinizerHukka: chem|st: HTH13:48
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: duh, what?13:48
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DocScrutinizerthey allocate arbitrary IPs for you?13:49
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DocScrutinizerfor sure not in public IP space, i.e. globally visible13:49
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SpeedEvilYou connect to - effectively - 'your' APN13:50
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DocScrutinizerI actually wonder how that's implemented13:52
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DocScrutinizerdarn, I wish coffee would kick in - I seem to have forgotten how IPs are assigned in internet :-o13:53
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DocScrutinizerisn't that a strictly hierarchical system where your "backbone switch" has to allow you some particular IP?13:55
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DocScrutinizerso if range - is of provider A and I get assigned a particular IP out of that range, how is this SIM service going to "steal" that IP?13:56
DocScrutinizersure the SIM APN could tunnel via VPN to 'my' APN, but that defeats the purpose of "backup hot standby" as they suggested in that website13:59
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nid0if im reading it right you're conjoining 2 different options for the service14:00
nid0you can simply get a data connection using a fixed block of ip addresses, *or* you can route the connection through your own l2tp server14:00
DocScrutinizer>>and can have your block of IPv4 addresses as DSL backup over 3G<<14:00
nid0if i'm reading it right14:00
DocScrutinizerI'm really lost on how that works14:01
DocScrutinizerI get the >> Our data SIMs all have fixed IPv4, and can hav..." part14:02
DocScrutinizerbut that's an IP out of their assigned IP range14:02
DocScrutinizernot possible to mimic the IP I get for my DSL14:03
chem|styes, yes, OT: is the someplayer doing fine, does it work with the mediaplayer widget or does it have it's own, is managing playlists easier?14:03
ruskiewhy does that service sound like we offer VoIP on a cell phone?14:04
DocScrutinizerI tested it, found it somewhat obfuscated, and forgot about it14:04
chem|stok so NO14:04
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chem|stthat 'home'IP fallback is considered to have your home internet on that provider so they manage it,no?14:05
DocScrutinizerit's versatile but somehow inconsistent non-intuitive GUI14:05
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DocScrutinizerwell, if my DSL and that SIM are same provider, then it's no problem14:06
chem|stback to init514:06
DocScrutinizerrc5.d ?14:07
edheldilchem|st:  are you looking for a better player than the default one? Me too ...14:08
chem|stedheldil: actualy something to manage playlist properly would be fine14:08
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edheldil(and why oh why can't that damned widget start player if it is not running already???)14:08
DocScrutinizerit is capable of doing that, but in a obscured way similarly non-intuitive to most other players I know of14:09
chem|sthad no problems with the widget since 1.314:09
DocScrutinizermaybe even worse14:09
DocScrutinizeredheldil: widget starting player works fine here14:09
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DocScrutinizer(it is capable) was about someplayer14:10
DocScrutinizergive it a try, YMMV14:10
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DocScrutinizerseems it has all you possibly want, if you manage to figure how to do  it14:10
DocScrutinizeralso iirc it's no real FOSS14:11
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  thanks ... strangely it started it now, so I was talking BS :)14:12
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edheldilMaybe I should create a table comparing different players, feature by feature14:13
DocScrutinizerthe pocketsphinx PoC- pythonscript also is doing weird controstions to start mediaplayer14:13
DocScrutinizerwhile there's a staightforward dbus-way to pop up mediaplayer on "playing now" tab14:14
DocScrutinizerwithout any errormsgs14:14
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edheldilDocScrutinizer:  the mediaplayer or a mediaplayer?14:15
chem|stthe 'mediaplayer'14:15
chem|stactualy both14:15
chem|stafair there is some start-default-player14:16
chem|stdon't know if it came through to pr1.3 as there was not made use of14:16
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DocScrutinizerof course you can have some mimetype assignment to start arbitrary apps on "clicking on" a *.mp314:19
DocScrutinizerbut I'm talking about thatdbus mafw thing14:20
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DocScrutinizeractully: dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer open_mp_now_playing  #(hail bash history!! \o/)14:24
DocScrutinizer>>dbus-send: Data item "open_mp_now_playing" is badly formed<<14:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: au secours14:27
Papayawhiphey, i have the same problem :D14:27
chem|stPapayawhip: which of the 365?14:28
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chem|stthat the buttons do not work?14:28
Papayawhipand dbus14:28
chem|stwhich dbus14:29
chem|stthe cmd14:29
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Papayawhipno, i mean the dbus call to check if the mediaplayer ist actually playing14:30
DocScrutinizerafaik that needs a fle to play as argument14:30
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Already had those installed14:31
chem|stDocScrutinizer: .play starts the current selected track from the beginning14:31
DocScrutinizerthen some reset cmd to tracker should make it re-index and consider flac as well14:31
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Doesn't help14:31
HukkaFirst thing I tried14:32
Papayawhipplaying a file: dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/mediaplayer string:"file:///..."14:32
Papayawhipworks good14:32
HukkaI'm trying to downgrade next, I saw a tip for that on t.m.o14:33
DocScrutinizeryou might run into some weird mimetype conflict when you got multiple players installed (only wild handwaving)14:34
DocScrutinizercheck your .desktop files (grep flac)14:34
HukkaI don't have any...14:35
HukkaAnd opening from file manager works fine14:35
HukkaAnd the mediaplayer notices the metadata14:35
HukkaIt just isn't in the album or artist index14:35
DocScrutinizerthat suggests you actually have a mimetype for .flac14:35
DocScrutinizerI once have seen a lengthy list of file extensions tracker is looking at, forgot where though14:36
DocScrutinizersome cfg or whatever file14:36
DocScrutinizeror a cfg.d/*14:37
DocScrutinizeror whatever14:37
chem|stPapayawhip: when your "what is playing now" doesn't work something else is wrong and th widget cannot handle a IDK state14:37
DocScrutinizeroutput of some tracker-* cmd14:37
DocScrutinizerI really fail to recall14:37
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Hukka"apt-get install --reinstall ogg-support=1.0.5" worked fine14:38
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: I'm DAMN sure I tested that dbus cmd and it opened player on "now playing" 'tab'14:38
Papayawhipchem|st: i know wich media file is selected (artist, album and so on) but i dont know if its playing... (to render a play or pause button)14:38
DocScrutinizerHukka: \o/ though :-o14:39
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DocScrutinizerpretty please consider to file a ticket on bugtracker14:40
DocScrutinizer(I can't ATM as I fsckd up my tracker completely lately)14:40
chem|stHukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music...14:42
DocScrutinizerhah!!! thanks chem|st14:42
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I bow down to fgrep14:42
robbiethe1stGood old Unix tools save the day14:43
DocScrutinizerevery single day14:44
chem|styeah and I am sitting on a windows machine having pendrivelinux running in a qemu 2 putty windows open...14:44
PapayawhipDocScrutinizer: did you mean dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer ?  there is a missing "."14:45
chem|stohm my mocp died...14:45
chem|stdebian qhezzy14:45
PapayawhipDocScrutinizer: last param, last section14:46
chem|stsomething is wrong with the playlistfile it seems14:46
DocScrutinizer51Papayawhip: so can't you paste the correct call here?14:47
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Papayawhipi did14:48
CokeYo guys. I'm looking at a web page that has an SVG image. Works fine in firefox, IE and iphone, but the image doesn't show up in my browser on the N900. Any ideas why the SVG option is disabled?14:49
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chem|stCoke: link pls14:49
Papayawhipsorry i meant "there _was_ a missing.." my fu**ing english :D14:49
DocScrutinizer51Papayawhip: you tested that?14:50
DocScrutinizer51I think it looks wrong14:50
Papayawhipyes, it works14:50
Papayawhipbj-n900:/opt/lv# dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer
Papayawhipmethod return sender=:1.237 -> dest=:1.307 reply_serial=214:51
DocScrutinizer51thanks, will test in 5min14:51
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chem|stCoke: ?14:51
Cokehang on14:52
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chem|st just tried that one and it worked...14:53
chem|stor as direct link14:54
Cokechem|st: that doesn't help me though14:54
CokeI want my SVG to show, I can't use another SVg.14:55
Cokejust validated the page and the SVG, it's all valid.14:55
chem|stCoke: you send a link to a page and not to an svg... where do I go there?14:55
CokeEven IE 8 shows it, albeit no animation14:55
Cokechem|st: that page is supposed to contain an SVG14:55
Cokethat's the actual SVG14:56
chem|stand how can I tell if it is missing if the page looks normal to me?14:56
Cokechem|st: because I wrote the page14:57
chem|stTävla&vinn... shows14:57
Cokeyeah its supposed to show in the lower right corner14:57
Cokeas it is rendered in every other browser ive tried14:57
Cokeff 3, 4, ie 8 and 9 and iphone14:57
Cokeff 3 was tested on linux and windows, both work nice even animates14:58
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chem|stmaemo browser has some issues where pages end14:58
DocScrutinizerchem|st: haha, what's the sound of a falling tree, when nobody listens to it?14:58
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ^^14:58
Cokemaemo has some issues, period. can't be 4 years behind the rest of the world.14:58
auenfCoke, does it work in fennec?14:59
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chem|stmaemo FF does render it14:59
chem|stCoke: file a bug14:59
chem|stauenf: yes15:00
DocScrutinizerchem|st: it's hard to tell if sth looks odd when you never looked at the right thing before15:00
auenfso its probably fixed by using a newer build of microb15:00
Cokechem|st: nah. i guess n900 owners just wont be able to compete then15:00
Cokeor get a real browser15:00
chem|stCoke: there is fennec...15:00
Cokechem|st: thanks for verifying tho15:00
chem|stwrite a bug report pls15:00
auenfmicrob buildconfig does have --enable-svg15:01
Cokechem|st: yeah, I just wanted to verify that it is indeed broken on N900, I'm good with 99.9999% accessibility15:01
DocScrutinizerPapayawhip: indeed, it works :-D15:01
Cokewasnt sure if it was the SVG, the HTML or maemo's browser, but now I know.15:01
Trewasthat page really doesn't look like any thought has been given to mobile browsers anyway15:01
auenfbut its gecko 1.9.2b615:01
CokeTrewas: works fine on my N900 except for the SVG not showing15:01
chem|stbut fennec is brkóke too15:01
auenfwonder if a firefox of that same gecko will fail the svg...15:01
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TrewasCoke: may work, but very big 1024xsomething page is not exactly phone-friendly15:02
CokeTrewas: my phone has a zoom15:03
chem|stCoke: I would say if you are sure it is not the code... as the svg can be loaded in the browser15:03
chem|stit just does not load on that page15:03
Cokechem|st: works fine on every other browser I've tried15:03
ShadowJKfennec is unusable :(15:03
Cokeand that covers 99.99999% of the users15:03
chem|stCoke: that is not important15:03
CokeYes it is.15:03
auenfCoke, which version of firefox did you try?15:03
CokeI can quite comfortably ignore myself and the three other N900 users in this country. :)15:03
Coke(i know both of them so I can just tell them)15:04
DocScrutinizeropera update for diablo \o/15:04
Cokeauenf: 3 and 4 on win and lin15:04
auenf3 or 3.5?15:04
Coke3.6 even i think15:04
chem|stCoke: if you want it on M5 microb it doesn't matter and as I am able to load that svg with microb I would say there might be something wrong at your side15:04
Cokechem|st: it is validated 100% on W3C15:04
chem|stbut as I do not know your code...15:05
Cokechem|st: and it work in browsers that do use gecko.15:05
Cokeand whatever it is MS is using15:05
Cokeand iphone, i think webkit?15:05
chem|stCoke: I can write websites w3c valid without anything loading in i.e opera...15:05
CokeI might try it on opera just to be safe and include the 0.1% that use opera.15:05
DocScrutinizerhmm, pester timele... *cough*15:05
* SpeedEvil sighs.15:06
DocScrutinizeroh yeah15:06
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PapayawhipDocScrutinizer: \o/ :D15:06
* DocScrutinizer too15:06
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chem|stCoke: again THE DAMN SVG loads in microb just not on the website15:06
Cokechem|st: works fine in Opera too15:06
chem|stso microb has no problem with the svg but how it is called15:06
Cokechem|st: I replaced the SVG with an animated GIF, still missing on N90015:07
Cokebut it's ok15:07
chem|stand it shows "alternative"15:07
chem|stI see the text instead15:07
Cokei dont even see that15:07
Cokeusing the default browser of N900 anyway15:07
CokeI gotta split and pick up a case of beer before they close.15:07
DocScrutinizerthere's a zillion ways to fsckup a html page, even a w3c tested one15:07
chem|stCoke: would you mind to pastebin the lines?!15:08
chem|stDocScrutinizer: +515:08
DocScrutinizerchem|st: can't you watch the 'source' e.g in konqueror?15:08
CokeDocScrutinizer: if this is indeed a case of really bad rendering options in my HTML, then so be it15:08
Cokeworks fine on all the browsers that matter15:08
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I am a lazy BOFH15:08
CokeI'm also not sure it's not a problem with the default browser15:08
Cokefor instance, default mail client can't handle attachments properly15:09
Cokeso I'm sort of skeptical that everyone else got it wrong and maemo default browser got it right15:09
chem|stif a .gif is not loading as well there is even more pointers that the call is w3c "true" but just wrong...15:09
Cokethese are all well known standards.15:09
Cokechem|st: it works on every browser I've tried now. maybe I should try midori also just in case15:09
DocScrutinizerodds are if there's e.g. a js line saying "if browser=*gecko* then load SVG" then all the browsers are right, and still some not showing it15:10
chem|stpdf is well known but have you ever tried to find a line of anything in a pdf-code?15:10
CokeDocScrutinizer: there's no such thing in there15:10
Cokechem|st: how does that relate to anything?15:10
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CokeThe bottom line is: works in every browser on the planet except N900 default one15:11
Cokejust like nested attachments work in every mail client I've used except the default one on N90015:11
Cokealso, animations were turned off for the SVG so I'm gonna have to stick with gif.15:11
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DocScrutinizerCoke: that's a long known problem15:11
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DocScrutinizer(microb and nested attachments)15:11
CokeDocScrutinizer: im ok with it15:12
CokeI mainly use my phone for chatting and SSH.15:12
DocScrutinizerto be precise attachements in only one part of alternative/text15:12
auenfok, the final 3.5.2pre nightly should tell us if svg is 100% working...15:12
DocScrutinizerala that's exactly what iPhone does when sending picture attachments15:12
CokeDocScrutinizer: I think OSX might do that too, not sure15:13
DocScrutinizeriirc it's attaching the picture to the html subpart only15:13
chem|stthe gif works btw15:13
Cokeworked fine in midori too, I think it's the latest webkit it's using15:13
Cokechem|st: you see it on the site?15:13
CokeOh, I do too15:14
CokeSo the default browser just can't handle it.15:14
auenfMozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv: Gecko/20100315 Namoroka/3.6.2pre15:14
auenfand it shows up15:14
CokeOK. well, IE doesn't animate the SVG anyway (nor does iphone or n900) so I guess I'll have to stick with the patented, non-free, non-standard image format to be compliant with modern browsers.15:14
DocScrutinizererr s"alternative/text"multipart"15:14
auenfso really need a new microb build ;)15:14
CokeMS says IE 9 has animated SVG support, but I dunno.15:15
CokeGIF89a it is·15:15
chem|stCoke: the gif shows15:15
chem|ston n90015:16
CokeYeah. Ofcourse it does, it's non-standard15:16
Coke2011 non-standards still work better than the standards. :)15:16
CokeI'll have to add "inferior non-standard" since GIF really sucks ass.15:16
CokeThanks for testing it guys.15:17
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CokeDoes animated SVG work on OSX at all?15:18
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Cokeanyway gotta rush to buy booze already15:18
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: w3c gives 20 Errors on his page... that much about "it is all w3c proof"15:19
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DocScrutinizerwords are cheap15:20
chem|stDocScrutinizer: the html is fine...15:20
* DocScrutinizer scrolls up to find the URL15:21
chem|stonly the css is screwed, and thats the way I would turn off IE ;)15:21
DocScrutinizerhmm, and where's the svg15:22
DocScrutinizerwhat does the SVG look like?15:23
* DocScrutinizer might consider "open in firefox"15:23
chem|stthe svg opened in microb solely but not within the page...15:23
DocScrutinizerlol, konqueror shows empty page15:23
chem|stwindows FF4 doesnt animate it....15:24
chem|stit just converts to png haha15:25
chem|stI open the picture and look at details and it shows as png, link on top says svg15:25
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chem|st"optified for Win IE8"... ROFL15:26
DocScrutinizerI already wondered about the friggin *.sv.png links in source15:28
chem|stauenf: btw some of those closed-partly open only distributed things solely by nokia need some upstream love15:28
chem|stfirefox just converts the svg to png15:28
chem|stto display15:28
DocScrutinizerchem|st: congrats for finding another well designed sneaky bomb of M$ to 'conquer the world (of internet)"15:29
DocScrutinizerthey love to do that on all their "cute" tools like frontpage at al15:29
chem|stbomb in terms of browsers always reminds me of the safari carpetbomb15:29
auenfchem|st, theoretically you can build microb off one of the newer mozilla trees15:30
chem|st"cut(e)" tools15:30
auenfbut i havent got around to doing it15:30
auenfand i'd probably add mng back in if i bothered ;)15:30
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infobotmethinks safari is ORA (plus others) books online ( or Apple's web browser (
* infobot starts crying and hides from chem|st in the darkest corner of the room. :(15:31
DocScrutinizer~wiki safaricarpetbomb15:31
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
DocScrutinizer~wiki carpetbomb15:32
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
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DocScrutinizer~+listkeys carpet15:32
infobotFactoid search of 'carpet' by key (5): red-carpet ;; the_carpet's mailadress ;; redcarpet ;; redcarpet (a redhat product) ;; carpet.15:32
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infobotDocScrutinizer: :)15:32
chem|stsafari carpet bomb was that safari downloads runlevel windows dlls to the desktop without asking the user, and windows looks on the desktop first for those dlls (instead of just system32)15:33
DocScrutinizersafari been designed for a sane real OS15:34
chem|stso you build a page for safari injecting dlls to the desktop and then you tell the gui that he has to start IE to see this page BOOM!15:34
merlin1991hm wtf is up with kernel-power? tells me 2.6.28-maemo46 is the latest, but ham shows me an update for 2.6.28-10power4715:35
DocScrutinizer  Version table:15:37
DocScrutinizer     1:2.6.28-10power47 015:37
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages15:37
DocScrutinizer     2.6.28-maemo46 015:37
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages15:37
sezuanare there any other voip clients for the n900?15:37
chem|stsezuan: yes15:38
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power4715:38
chem|stsezuan: the question is funny as if you are asking for a "second"15:38
chem|stthere are actualy many15:38
sezuanchem|st: can you recommend one?15:38
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: how did you get that version table?15:39
DocScrutinizerlooks thoroughly messed up15:39
DocScrutinizerapt-cache policy kernel-power15:39
chem|stwell there is skype there is jabber/xmpp there is SIP15:39
sezuanI mean another SIP client.15:39
DocScrutinizernone integrated into dialer that nicely15:40
chem|stsezuan: don't know if you get twinkle to work but that is a good one (easy debian not integrated to telpathy)15:40
DocScrutinizeractually noone succeeded in building twinkle for embedded15:40
sezuanI'm not very happy with audio quality. A desktop softphone and the Nokia E71 works perfect in the same network with the very same server.15:41
DocScrutinizerneeds too many unsupported libs, or sth, also qt315:41
chem|stsezuan: uh got no problems15:41
sezuanmayben a try linphone-cli15:41
DocScrutinizerand of course audio of twinkle has no pukeaudio support, and alsa support of maemo PA is flaky at best15:41
sezuanchem|st: at least every few minutes, it seems some rtp gets lost, or sometimes there seem to be bursts of several seconds. I've seen no special pattern.15:42
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DocScrutinizerseem to have seen it ported to fremantle15:43
sezuanIt also seems almost codec independed. So far, g729 seems to be the most robust codec.15:43
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DocScrutinizersflphone-common - SIP and IAX2 compatible softphone - Core15:44
DocScrutinizerI have to say I'm not too happy with that implementation of SIP in maemo via telepathy-sofiasip15:45
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DocScrutinizerit nicely integrates into telepathy-based dialer framework, but same time does way too much abstraction and hides away many of the nicer features/setting-options of SIP from user15:47
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DocScrutinizeraudio problems however are usually caused by connectivity problems, like WLAN issues with AP and PSM15:49
sezuanwhat I'm also missing is a proper callerid handling.15:49
DocScrutinizerthat as well15:49
merlin1991anyone know where the 1:2.6.28-10power47 power kernel came from?15:49
sezuanDocScrutinizer: What is PSM?15:49
DocScrutinizersome guy pipin? took over maintainership of PK15:49
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DocScrutinizerpower savings mode15:50
sezuanah yes. I've read about it.15:50
sezuanhmm... sflphone-client-gnome is too new for sflphone-common.15:51
DocScrutinizeralso I guess there could be done more to ToS in IP packets and to bandwidth management than what sofiasip and maemo wifi does15:51
Venemo~wtf ToS15:51
infobotGee...  I don't know what ToS means...15:51
infobottos is probably type of service, or the operating system for the Atari ST..  Terms of Service15:52
DocScrutinizertype of service15:52
DocScrutinizera header byte of IP packets, to priorize etc15:52
DocScrutinizersee man ping for example15:52
SpeedEvilWhich many ISPs ignore.15:52
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sure, but many APs obey it15:53
DocScrutinizerping -Q tos15:53
sezuani assume the most critical part is the connection to the ISP. After that, the should be enough bandwidth.15:55
DocScrutinizerand of course net neutrality of ISP15:56
DocScrutinizersome deliberately add jitter to packets identified as RTP by stateful packet inspection, to mess up VoIP15:57
sezuanmaybe someday they artificially disturb rtp traffic and charge for stop doing it.15:57
DocScrutinizerthey do now15:57
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DocScrutinizerexcept for the chargeing part15:57
DocScrutinizerof course way more common on GPRS data connections than on DSL15:59
DocScrutinizerfor obvious commercial reasons15:59
sezuanin germany you pay an extra fee to use voip on mobile networks...15:59
infobotfrom memory, rtp is The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets.15:59
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sezuanend of neutrality. *sigh*16:00
HukkaDocScrutinizer, chem|st: So... upgrading the ogg-support removes flac from the
DocScrutinizerHukka: is this a find of yours, or a question?16:02
DocScrutinizerI'd like to know for sure if it is the root cause for that problem16:03
HukkaQuestion, since obviously downgrading the package helped, and chem|st mentioned that file16:03
DocScrutinizercan't duplicate right now here16:03
HukkaWell, you have the new version of ogg-support, right?16:04
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HukkaI have the downgraded version, I'll check what tha file says16:04
DocScrutinizerI don't even know which version I have16:04
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DocScrutinizerHukka: you could check mdate/cdate of that file16:04
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JaffaGAN900: Was good. Glad to be back and get a proper cup of tea, though16:05
JaffaGAN900: iPad 2 exchange rate is shiny16:05
SpeedEvilNot so much if you have to pay import and VAT16:05
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JaffaSpeedEvil: *cough*16:06
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HukkaDocScrutinizer: Well, based on time stamp downgrading did write to that file16:06
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (& Jaffa ?) could you have a short look at kernel-power v47 please? there's something severely fishy16:06
SpeedEvil(I have not, for the purposes of avoiding doubt - purchased an ipad.)16:06
SpeedEvilThough I am actually looking at purchasing an ipad screen - sortof.16:07
SpeedEvilIt would make a silly upgrade to my old laptop.16:07
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DocScrutinizerHukka: then you could do community a favour, copy that file to a backup now, then update and diff the both files16:07
SpeedEvilipad screen (which fits beautifully), beagleboard type processor, and reuse the shell.16:07
merlin1991hm I just realized flac playback in the mediaplayer stopped working for me16:07
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merlin1991but it works as a ringtone16:08
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Hm. why not, yeah16:08
GAN900Jaffa, Detroit looks like a warzone these days. Bored with the iPad yet? :P16:09
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HukkaWeid, apt doesn't suggest upgrading the ogg-support16:09
GAN900Every iOS product I've ever handled goes something like this "Damn. Shiny. ... Bored now."16:09
HukkaDoes it remember my old command to use the older version?16:09
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: see Hukka16:09
HukkaDocScrutinizer, merlin1991: I never had problems with flac playback16:10
HukkaI could play them from the file manager16:10
HukkaThe problem was purely with tracker16:10
DocScrutinizerHukka: nevertheless it adds more mystery to that whole flac issue16:10
DocScrutinizerI have a hard time thinking it's mere coincisdence16:11
merlin1991every flac file has a duration of 59:59 an unkown artist / unkown album16:11
merlin1991and the file name as title in the playlist16:11
DocScrutinizerthat's tracker16:11
merlin1991and doesn't play16:11
Hukkamerlin1991: Have you tried playing from file manager?16:11
merlin1991but I think that's no implemented in openmediaplayer atm16:12
HukkaBut do you see the files in the album view in the media player?16:12
JaffaGAN900: Not bored yet, no. For the use cases I want it (web browsing at home, device at conferences with decent battery life) it works well :-)16:12
merlin1991so I'm trying to revert to the stock player atm16:12
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Hukkamerlin1991: Err, so you have a problem that something that never has worked, isn't working?16:12
merlin1991Hukka: I see them under unkown artist16:12
HukkaI've never used anything but the stock player with addons16:12
merlin1991Hukka: it worked just fine16:12
merlin1991some time ago16:12
merlin1991(with open mediaplayer from the album view)16:12
HukkaOh, ok. You said it wasn't implemented16:12
HukkaOk, so only the file manager doesn't see that16:13
DocScrutinizerthere's obviously a rogue/broken new version for flac support out there somewhere16:13
merlin1991but I'll revert my mediaplayer now and see if it works from file manager then16:13
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: Hukka fixed his issue16:13
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DocScrutinizerby downgrading some ogg-support16:14
DocScrutinizersee backscroll16:14
merlin1991yea I read it16:14
merlin1991but that fixed a tracker issue for him16:14
merlin1991but playback still worked16:14
DocScrutinizeryours as well is a tracker issue16:14
merlin1991so I want to narrow my problem down16:14
HukkaDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure if ogg-support has been pulled...16:15
HukkaBecause I can't find a version higher than 1.0.5 anymore16:15
DocScrutinizeryou should've checked what's your installed version prior to downgrade - maybe merlin can help out16:16
HukkaDocScrutinizer: That's true16:16
merlin1991at least the package interface says that there's still 1.0.7~rc1 see
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Hukkamerlin1991: Yeah, that's right16:17
HukkaI don't know why apt doesn't see it16:17
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# dpkg -l ogg-support  ->>ii  ogg-support               1.0.7~rc1                 Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n90016:17
merlin1991and the file is still in the repo:
DocScrutinizeralso: apt-cache policy ogg-support16:18
HukkaI only have extras-testing enabled now16:18
merlin1991ah that's it16:19
merlin1991testing and extras only have 1.0.516:19
HukkaThat is, my extras-devel has disappeared from the sources.list completely16:19
sezuanDocScrutinizer: it seems that disabling the power saving mode helped.16:19
Hukkamerlin1991: Yeah, but that makes it really interesting how my mediaplayer got updated just a few days ago16:19
DocScrutinizersezuan: \o/16:19
HukkaAnyway, if you or DocScrutinizer can upload your default.service, I'll make a diff16:20
HukkaOr I can just upload mine16:20
* sezuan looks for his additional battery.16:20
* merlin1991 needs MohammadAG16:20
merlin1991where's the .service file for mediaplayer?16:20
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-13 13:42:13] <chem|st> Hukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music...16:21
HukkaHere's mine:
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I mean another .service file16:21
merlin1991 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ is what I was looking for16:22
DocScrutinizerHukka: (duck and cover, 6 lines paste!)16:23
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# grep -C1 flac /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service16:23
DocScrutinizerhmm, only 416:23
merlin1991ffs ofc I didn't back it up, can you paste me the exec line from that one ? :$16:23
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Same as mine16:23
HukkaSo I suppose that wasn't the problem16:24
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Btw, do your flacs show in album lists?16:24
DocScrutinizerHukka: I killed my tracker lately16:24
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: actually16:25
DocScrutinizer[D-BUS Service]16:25
merlin1991I only needed the exec part :)16:25
DocScrutinizer(3 lines in that file)16:25
HukkaI have the problem that I am not even sure what was updated when the problem happened16:25
HukkaI did it via the official application manager, and that's always very sneaky16:26
DocScrutinizeryeah, that's our recent problem right now16:26
HukkaTold me that it's updating my "media player", nothing else16:26
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HukkaBut at least the package "mediaplayer" hasn't been updated since last october16:26
merlin1991media can't be played, media format not support16:27
merlin1991tells me the stock player16:27
merlin1991how on earth does it work as my ringtone then?16:27
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: can you do a full backup (maybe via sftp://) of rootfs, then downgrade to ogg-support1.0.5 as Hukka suggested?16:28
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: ringtones are converted to a hidden .wav file somewhere in your home16:28
DocScrutinizerit never uses the original file16:28
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DocScrutinizerit'd take way too long to set up the needed gstreamer pipe for all the random mediafile formats16:30
Hukka also mentions that removing packages is essential16:30
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DocScrutinizerso dialer is using the always same hidden auxilary f.wav file16:30
merlin1991so I still have a .wav file from back when it still worked16:30
HukkaFor me they got autoremoved, but someone claims that if that doesn't happen, you need to remove them yourself16:30
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: exactly16:31
Hukka(Though I only had the tracker-extractor-flac, not the gstreamer packages)16:31
merlin1991what's the apt command to install a specific version again?16:32
merlin1991nm found it16:32
merlin1991another question, any way to poke tracker to rebuild it's db?16:33
merlin1991(other than rebooting the n900)16:33
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DocScrutinizererr, you can purge the old db, but no idea how to force tracker to do a new one *now*16:33
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merlin1991Hukka: I'll try reverting to 1.0.6~rc1, because I think I had that one working stable16:34
merlin1991(and it does flac tags)16:34
SpeedEvilstop trackerd;rm;start trackerd16:34
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: there's a tracker-* cmd16:34
DocScrutinizermentioned in this chan like 1 week ago16:35
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HukkaDocScrutinizer, merlin1991: tracer-processes -r16:36
DocScrutinizer+k ;-D16:36
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DocScrutinizer  -r, --hard-reset     This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases16:37
HukkaIt actaully also restarts them, and then it starts rebuilding16:38
merlin1991downgrading ogg-support now16:38
DocScrutinizerhell, I really fscked my tracker. It's not reindexing since I tracker-processes -r'd last week16:39
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DocScrutinizershould restore my /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg.ORIG16:40
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merlin1991dpkg -l gstreamer0.10-flac16:41
merlin1991status pn16:42
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merlin1991hm seems like the install of ogg-support takes care of tracker16:44
merlin1991it restarted it and touched all .flac files16:44
Papayawhipis there an example python code to get the mafw player state?16:46
merlin1991downgrade to 1.0.6~rc1 brought me back tracker infos16:46
Papayawhipmafw.Rederer has no usefull methods..16:46
merlin1991but I still can't play flac files?16:47
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: any ideas on why I can't play flac? mediaplayer tells me mediaformat isn't supported, but gstreamer0.10-flac is installed?16:51
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: not really, I assume you rebooted?16:54
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DocScrutinizeriirc I had to install ogg-support to make mediaplayer aware of flac16:55
Hukkamerlin1991: Do you decoders-support?16:55
merlin1991I installed ogg-support16:56
merlin1991(reinstalled to 1.0.6)16:56
DocScrutinizerI gather it pulls in dependencies that aren't downgraded properly16:57
chem|stapt-get install --reinstall gstreamer0.10-flac libflac816:57
merlin1991chem|st: nope16:57
merlin1991apt-get autoremove16:57
merlin1991+ reboot16:57
DocScrutinizerapt-get autoremove kills quite some other bits16:57
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: my autoremove isn't broken :D16:57
chem|stmerlin1991: if you want no audio till reflash proceed16:57
merlin1991it only removed gstreamer0.10-av gstreamer0.10-maemo-xiph16:58
merlin1991then it still didn't work16:58
merlin1991--> reboot16:58
DocScrutinizerthen you did it before16:58
merlin1991works now16:58
DocScrutinizermy autoremove for example kills SIP16:58
chem|stautoremove is a lazy bitch and there is a reason why it is not in bash_completion16:58
merlin1991works fine on my device16:59
chem|stflac works?16:59
merlin1991yes now it works16:59
merlin1991downgraded to 1.0.616:59
merlin1991removed the leftover packages from 1.0.716:59
DocScrutinizersure, fool! autoremove works, but your system breaks16:59
merlin1991and it worked16:59
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: autoremove works like it should here!16:59
DocScrutinizeryes it does!!!!16:59
merlin1991because I have a flashed 1.3 and not upgraded16:59
chem|stmerlin1991: nope autoremove works like it should on a non-embedded system16:59
merlin1991autoremove totally is broken when you did a ota upgrade17:00
DocScrutinizeron a non-messed up system like maemo17:00
merlin1991having directly flashed pr 1.3 keeps your system debs around when autoremoving :)17:00
chem|stit prolly uninstalled some libs you didn't try to use yet17:01
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Hukkachem|st: He just said what it uninstalled...17:01
Hukkagstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph17:01
chem|stHukka: he prolly used the cmd before so...17:02
merlin1991anyway, to keep all the info in 1 place ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 is broken17:02
merlin19911.0.6~rc1 works17:02
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merlin1991and to downgrade sucessfully you need to remove gstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph after the --reinstall17:02
chem|stmerlin1991: and I have a flashed 1.3 too...17:02
DocScrutinizer  >># autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support17:03
merlin1991chem|st: maybe I'm just lucky, or it is indeed the fact that there are some libs wich I simply don't try to use17:03
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chem|stmerlin1991: maybe both ;)17:03
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I checked with dpkg -l rtcom-accounts-voip-support it is still installed17:04
HukkaI'm still wondering where I got a newer ogg-support if my extras-devel is not enabled17:04
HukkaThough I'm pretty sure I installed something from -devel last week17:04
merlin1991that's indeed weird17:04
merlin1991btw Hukka 1.0.6~rc1 works just fine and has tag extractor as opposed to 1.0.517:05
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Hukkamerlin1991: tag extractor?17:05
chem|stDocScrutinizer: you need to do some apt magic to get it removed by autoremove... but flicking in apt on cli is just enough magic to get some flags changed17:05
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: I'm absolutely sure I didn't anything except apt-get install17:06
DocScrutinizeras I'm an apt noob17:06
chem|stDocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already removed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag17:06
HukkaDepending on what apt you use some packages are marked as "automatic" and some not17:06
HukkaI mean in some frontends all the dependencies autoinstalled are marked like they were manually installed17:07
infobotchem|st meant: DocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already installed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag17:07
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merlin1991~lart merlin1991s wireless ap17:07
* infobot decapitates merlin1991s wireless ap conan the destroyer style17:07
chem|stHukka: autoremove removes only apps installed with some other stuff17:08
merlin1991can't use powersaving with the n90017:08
HukkaNew or old conan?17:08
merlin1991or ssh doesn't work17:08
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chem|stmeans install something by hand and the flags change from system to pulled-in-from-app and get recognized in autoremove17:08
Hukkachem|st: Yeah, but depending on what front end is used to install, different stuff is marked as autoinstalled17:08
DocScrutinizerget a decent AP17:08
HukkaDocScrutinizer: Are there any?17:09
HukkaWell, I suppose there are decent, if not good17:09
chem|stI mean --reinstall does that for sure and if the program you try to install is already installed the flags change as well17:09
DocScrutinizerseems my d-link mostly works17:09
chem|stat least as long there is only one dependency17:09
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DocScrutinizerwith PR1.3 ;-P17:09
DocScrutinizerchem|st: scary17:10
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: apt is indeed scary17:10
kulvemerlin1991: DocScrutinizer: if you know why the 1.0.7 rc1 didn't work for you, please send me a mail17:10
DocScrutinizermail??? ll17:10
DocScrutinizerlol even17:10
kulveI'm planning to put it to testing later but it should work for everybody by then17:10
merlin1991kulve: I have no idea why it didn't work17:11
chem|stwatch your hdd buffer on your local machine for stuff getting touched...17:11
merlin1991but with it I neither had tags in tracker17:11
merlin1991nor playback in mediaplayer17:11
kulveDocScrutinizer: well, you can complain here too, if you wish but don't expect it to magically repair itself. Bugzilla works too.17:11
DocScrutinizerwell, I'll try /whois17:11
DocScrutinizerno mail addr in your /whois17:12
kulveDocScrutinizer: use the bugzilla then17:12
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure merlin1991 will do, once he finds out - or Hukka17:13
* DocScrutinizer has no waorking tracker at all ATM17:13
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DocScrutinizerso I can just help, but no way open up a proper ticket17:14
merlin1991kulve: is there anything I can do to find out why it didn't work for me?17:14
merlin1991atm I can just tell you what symptoms I had :D17:14
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: first thing: diff your downgraded working system rootfs to the backup you made17:15
kulvemerlin1991: you can try from the command like with gst-launch but it takes a bit work and knowledge to get good reports about what's happening17:15
DocScrutinizerso you get a list of affected files17:15
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DocScrutinizersomebody with apt/dpkg knowledge probably also can tell you what files actually come with 1.0.717:16
DocScrutinizerand which dependencies get pulled in17:16
merlin1991that part I can even manage myself17:16
Hukkakulve: So, did tracker work fine with flac for you?17:17
DocScrutinizerwith such a list it should be easy to make a qualified diff and see what looks suspicious17:17
Hukkakulve: The only symptoms I had was that I couldn't see my flac tracks via mediaplayer, worked via file manager17:17
kulveHukka: yes, the flacs worked too, but I did only quite a quick testing..17:18
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kulvethis usually tells quite a lot what's happening: gst-launch -v playbin2 url=file:///foo/bar.ogg17:18
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HukkaShouldn't that only show problems with playback?17:19
kulveand that's close to what the Media Player does as well17:19
DocScrutinizeror .flac here17:19
Papayawhiphave someone an idea howto get the playing state from the mediaplayer?17:19
kulveHukka: yes, the tracker is a bit different17:19
Hukkakulve: Yeah, because playing did work, media player even showd the right album and artist info17:19
HukkaBut the tracks just weren't in the media database17:19
DocScrutinizerPapayawhip: MohammadAG should know, and source of mediaplayerwidget should show some example17:19
kulve"tracker-files -m audio/x-vorbis+ogg" should list all ogg files with that mime type17:20
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kulve"tracker-files -s Music" should list all music files17:20
kulve"tracker-info file.ogg" should list what tracker can find out about the file17:20
DocScrutinizerwe're talking about .flac still17:20
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HukkaDocScrutinizer: Well, we can extrapolate the commands ;)17:20
PapayawhipDocScrutinizer: ok thanks, but the widget is written in c. the c library has a documentation, but the python-bindings are useless -.-17:20
kulveDocScrutinizer: yeah, just replace those parts. I had those in my notes, so I just cut'n'pasted them17:21
DocScrutinizerjust felt like mentioning it to save anybody's time17:21
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DocScrutinizerhell, I know why I don't accept any 1st level helpdesk jobs :-D17:23
DocScrutinizer"please type: dir<ENTER>"17:24
DocScrutinizer": dir<ENTER> : command not found"17:25
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auenfDocScrutinizer, cause you cant read the level 1 script you have to work off?17:25
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DocScrutinizernah, I just get headache when reading it17:26
auenfbut it is unreadable17:26
chem|stI don't speak japanese in chinese translated english17:27
auenfwork colleague was trying to get his isp to finish installing his adsl17:27
auenfaparently the pair was connected to the MDF, but not to his unit/apartment17:27
DocScrutinizermajor fail17:28
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auenfwent thru the whole page with level1, and then the guy actually said 'you have reached the end of all that TPG can help you with'17:28
DocScrutinizerthey need to find a second pair, and need to start over with a new job to do so17:28
auenfit was worse than that17:28
auenfaparently the tech that did it, didnt tag the pair cause he hooked it up to a unit17:29
auenfand someone else made a call to it ;)17:29
auenferr, call on it17:29
DocScrutinizerhad that some 6 months ago, at the bar of a friend17:30
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DocScrutinizerhe's been waiting like 10 weeks for some dude to come and connect the last mile to the feed from cellar to his bar17:30
auenftrying to explain the problem to the l1 guy was impossible17:30
auenfhe kept insisting to reset the modem17:31
DocScrutinizerI called a friend at telekom and asked him which are the numbers on the pair, and fixed it in like 30min17:31
DocScrutinizergave the line a call and checked the multiplexer connector block in cellar, to find the line ringing proper17:32
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DocScrutinizerwell, of course I wasn't supposed to touch that sh*t17:33
auenfof course17:33
DocScrutinizerbut it saved my friend another 3 months of waiting17:33
auenfif the line was tagged properly, i would have hooked it up to the unit17:33
auenfwhich reminds me, he tried to ring his number17:33
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auenfand someone 3 suburbs over answered17:33
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: cable company decided we need to get another modem for phone so guy came installed new modem, everything fine17:34
merlin1991besides the fact, that the number was wrong after that17:34
merlin1991calling support17:34
merlin1991"no we don't change numbers, that's impossible"17:34
merlin1991where the fuck am I calling you from then?17:34
merlin1991it took them a week to fix that17:35
merlin1991phone over "telekabel" however that's called17:36
DocScrutinizermhm, yeah17:36
DocScrutinizersheds some light about their security policies and vulnerability17:36
merlin1991I bet if you connect any modem to the line with some random id, you'd still get a line17:37
auenftalk about telco privacy17:37
DocScrutinizerprobably you could use arbitrary numbers of your country, as long as you manage to find a number that'S hosted by them and you break the credentials17:37
auenfex boss had about 6 mobiles on a group plan, so single bill17:37
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RMCamposhi everyone17:37
auenfthen some other number showed up one month17:37
auenfwhen he rang up to sort it out, they couldnt tell them anything cause it was a different password to see those details17:38
auenfbut this other person could ring up and see all the details for all the numbers on the group17:39
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auenfand its not like the addresses were similar17:39
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DocScrutinizernah, database reused the index primary key, or sth17:39
auenf2785km between the addresses too17:40
auenfthe 2 different states dont even share a border17:40
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter for the index :-D17:40
auenfnope, its just the crappy telco ;)17:41
merlin1991kulve: what do you want me to add to the bug report when I do my 10.0.7~rc1 doesn't work rant?17:41
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kulvemerlin1991: well, getting the bug about it is the first thing. You can add all the info you thing might be relevant. Others can then ask questions or add more details17:43
kulves,bug,bug report,17:43
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: add the hotfix at very least!17:44
merlin1991"hotfix" :P17:44
DocScrutinizerdetailed instructions17:44
DocScrutinizerwill serve both for others dealing with same problem, and for devels narrowing down the issue17:45
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merlin1991hm theore is the video and vorbis is the audio codec, right?17:50
DocScrutinizerbtw the ringtone aux file is ~user/.local/share/sounds/*.<original-format-ext>.wav17:50
RMCamposwhen i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this, someone can help?17:50
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: afaik yes17:51
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merlin1991nitpicker ;)17:51
RMCamposwhen i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this, someone can help?17:54
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DocScrutinizerRMCampos: are you sure you're root and don't use some weird shell?17:59
DocScrutinizerI don't think my root on maemo talks to me in any locale other than C17:59
DocScrutinizerI.E. english18:00
DocScrutinizerumm, actually LANG=de_DE, so this was not a correct statement18:01
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DocScrutinizeranyway a 'LANG=C <whatever-was-the-command-you-did-that-borked>' would help a lot18:03
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DocScrutinizeralso pastebinning your cmdline as well, instead of only the cmd's stderr output also helps18:04
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RMCamposDocScrutinizer: yes, /bin/sh I try with bash4 also, but the problem persist18:04
DocScrutinizernota bene you got busybox as your default shell on maemo18:06
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DocScrutinizer/bin/sh doesn't mean much18:06
DocScrutinizerls -l `which sh`    does though18:07
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            7 Apr 13 16:38 /bin/sh -> busybox18:07
DocScrutinizerlooks ok18:08
DocScrutinizerwhat's 'id'18:08
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: where?18:08
DocScrutinizerin xterm18:08
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: uid=0(root) gid=0(root)18:09
DocScrutinizerwhat's 'echo $HOME"18:09
DocScrutinizerwhat's 'echo $HOME'18:09
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: /home/ricardo18:10
DocScrutinizerthat doesn't look like maemo18:10
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: hm18:10
DocScrutinizershould be /root18:11
DocScrutinizerthere's no /home/ricardo on maemo/N90018:11
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: the user "ricardo" is for ssh, is an user only ssh18:12
DocScrutinizergotta go18:12
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: look:18:13
DocScrutinizeryou need to use 'root' for proper login to root, never use 'sudo gainroot'18:13
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: echo $HOME:18:13
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: /root18:13
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: yes, i see that now18:13
RMCamposDocScrutinizer: but the problem is the same18:14
DocScrutinizerthen you have to check the postrm file in that .deb18:14
DocScrutinizerseems there's some odd command in there18:14
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RMCamposok, thanks18:15
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RMCamposDocScrutinizer: where is the postrm file? /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?18:17
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DocScrutinizerseems there's also /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives18:27
DocScrutinizersorry, I'm a noob with all this dpkg/apt stuff18:27
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DocScrutinizernevermind: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2010-06-23 06:03 /var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt18:31
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n900-spacehey all \o18:35
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n900-spacei'm performing a big dd operation on n900, what i am looking for is a way to make the device beep several times to get my attention when the dd operation is done. Any ideas?18:36
DocScrutinizermeh, in ogg-support:postrm -> dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches"18:36
DocScrutinizerthis doesn't usually work from root, without run-standalone.sh18:37
DocScrutinizerrcg: your problem might be similar18:37
DocScrutinizerRMCampos: ^^^18:37
DocScrutinizersorry rcg - ETAB18:38
DocScrutinizerRMCampos: this might actually be a case where you need to do 'sudo gainroot', but *from user account*18:39
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DocScrutinizeror do ' apt-whatever-you-did'18:39
DocScrutinizerkulve: see my last 5 lines18:41
DocScrutinizer7 actually18:41
DocScrutinizerHukka: merlin1991: ^^^18:42
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DocScrutinizerkulve: -->rationale: root's session-dbus is not what you'd expect it to be, so calls like those to session dbus will most likely throw an error when run under proper root account18:48
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DocScrutinizerkulve: -->fix: afaik, doing "/path/to/ dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org..." should work18:50
DocScrutinizerthough it's still kinda deprecated as you won't see what's going on on your N900 screen when logged in via remote ssh18:51
* GAN900 needs to find a good backpack for SF.18:51
DocScrutinizerwe hat that topic like <24h ago, not for the first time18:51
DocScrutinizerGAN900: how would a script find out about real file/device-type of stdout (i.e. if it runs in a xterm, on console, or as a subprocess of e.g. HAM)?18:53
GAN900For a .deb?18:53
DocScrutinizerfor anything18:53
GAN900What's the goal here?18:54
DocScrutinizerI know shell itself has a notion about it being 'interactive'18:54
DocScrutinizerthe goal is to figure if we have a proper stdout that can show stderr18:55
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DocScrutinizere.g. to decide if there's any sense in output of "echo "continue (Y/n)?" 1>&2"18:55
DocScrutinizera lot of programs/scripts have a notion about this, and behave differently depending on it18:56
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DocScrutinizerthe particular goal here however is for preinstall/postrm scripts18:58
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DocScrutinizerof course something like 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches"  || :' would help a bit as well19:01
DocScrutinizeror 'if dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches"; then :; fi' if you like that better19:02
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kulveDocScrutinizer: that has been working for the past 18 months. Why wouldn't it work now?19:03
DocScrutinizerdepends on what you call 'working'. It works from HAM, but usually fails from a root xterm apt-get foo...19:03
kulveif the dbus-send fails, does the whole postinst fail?19:04
DocScrutinizerNB only fails on a true root shell, not a "fake" one that you get by "sudo gainroot"19:05
DocScrutinizeryup, afaik it aborts19:05
kulveI guess it should be then like: dbus-send ... | true19:05
DocScrutinizerhad that problem iirc with starhash19:05
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DocScrutinizeror : which is a lil bit shorter than true19:06
DocScrutinizerbtw || if I'm not mistaken19:06
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DocScrutinizermaybe a 'dbus-send .... || echo "dbus failed, so I'm telling you this way about X" 1>&2' could work nicely19:09
DocScrutinizers/had that problem iirc with starhash/had a bugreport with starhash that is still unfixed/19:13
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SurjikalHey guys, is there package for the haskell computer?19:14
DocScrutinizerI think fapman also doesn't care about to cal apt, as HAM obviously does19:14
DocScrutinizerso iirc uninstalling or updating *# broke when a user tried it via fapman19:15
GAN900DocScrutinizer, ah, I see. No idea. :P19:16
DocScrutinizerSurjikal: search for haskell?19:16
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SurjikalDocScrutinizer, thanks19:19
DocScrutinizerGAN900: echo $TERM  ??19:20
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DocScrutinizerhmm, no19:21
GAN900Shouldn't something tell you whether it's interactive?19:21
DocScrutinizersure, *sth* should19:22
DocScrutinizerthat's what I asked ;-D19:23
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GAN900Yeah, dunno what specifically, though.19:25
DocScrutinizerwell, so I don't feel that much stupid anymore at least19:25
GAN900Seems like that's got to be a common thing.19:26
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Surjikalhow can I find the cpu architecture of my device (n900)?19:28
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slonopotamusSurjikal: slide kb out, turn n900 screen back from you and read what you see19:29
slonopotamusuname -m in console will also work19:31
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Surjikalslonopotaus, LOL thank you19:33
DocScrutinizerecho $MACHTYPE   ->arm-unknown-linux-gnu19:33
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jacekowskiSurjikal: it will work on other N900 phones as well19:33
jacekowskiSurjikal: however results will be the same every time19:34
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: that doesn't work19:34
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DocScrutinizererr, doesn't work?19:36
slonopotamusof course19:36
DocScrutinizer:shrug: WFM19:37
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DocScrutinizerif it's what he's interested in is of course another wuation19:37
DocScrutinizerquestion even19:37
slonopotamusMACHTYPE isn't set in almost all distros (except the exotic one you use, i guess)19:37
DocScrutinizeryeah, the exotic one called maemo, or opensuse19:38
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slonopotamusthere is no such env variable in maemo19:38
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# echo $MACHTYPE19:38
slonopotamusoh, i see that, it's bashism19:39
slonopotamusbtw, that string isn't very useful, it doesn't say what arm variant it is19:40
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DocScrutinizerbut then it says it's linux-gnu ;-D19:41
DocScrutinizerfriggin usefull19:41
DocScrutinizerI never claimed it's the answer to the question about live, universe, and all. That'd be 4219:42
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pupnik_blessn900 does a wonderful job with exposure20:17
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merlin1991even has the meego island :D20:33
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RST38hthere should be a huge penguin playing the role of the turtle and elephants20:34
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DocScrutinizerwhere is maemo?20:37
DocScrutinizerstallman sea, owowowowwwww20:37
merlin1991not on there :/20:37
merlin1991love it how small the gpc sea is :D20:38
DocScrutinizerbuntkuhstan hehe20:38
DocScrutinizerGPL sea?20:41
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DocScrutinizernoob desert \o/20:42
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DocScrutinizer~lart Logitech, for using such crappy switches20:44
* infobot shoots Logitech, in the head for using such crappy switches20:44
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merlin1991yea gpl sea20:47
DocScrutinizerbtw re twinkle: you probably should find less problems to get a cmdline-only version of twinkle built on maemo20:50
DocScrutinizerat least original author michel de boer put much effort into making it truly platform/arch independent20:51
DocScrutinizerthat's btw the reason why twinkle uses named pipes rather than dbus20:52
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Saz|Mobilealright guys21:06
Saz|Mobilei cannot for the life of me get this usb networking to work on my n90021:06
Saz|Mobilei plug my device into the pc, and feed it the rndis drivers21:07
Saz|Mobileit installs, but then gives me "device cannot start (code 10)"21:08
Saz|Mobilewhat am I doing wrong21:08
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BCMMSaz|Mobile: what OS does the pc run?21:15
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GAN90050/60s in SF21:26
GAN900It'll be like a vacation from the heat21:26
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E0xanyway for put extension number21:44
E0xin contacts ?21:44
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HukkaDocScrutinizer: Didn't read all the backlog, but I originally updated my N900 on the device itself21:48
HukkaI only did the downgrade via ssh21:48
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Tethyour mothers all suck cocks in hell21:54
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GAN900Well your mother sews socks that smell!21:59
E0xTeth: you mothers suck cocks now in life22:00
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: aren't you canop? :-D22:06
DocScrutinizerchanop even22:06
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DocScrutinizerwell, I like to think of it as another case of "sorry, my little drunken brother grabbed my N900"22:12
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TethE0x: my mother only sucks my father's cock22:29
E0xthat is what you think22:30
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Tethhey, what i think: is truth22:30
cehtehthe only truth is my /ignore22:30
Tethcehteh has just admitted he's a pussy22:31
Tethwho's next?22:31
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GAN900Lame troll.22:47
GAN900It's a competitive market out there these days. Gotta step it up.22:47
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marthdhi, i'm new to maemo and i have a problem setting up the qt-sdk. i always get "cannot execute binary file" for qmake. i googled a bit and found out that it might have something to do with the target, but what exactly do i have to do? can anyone help me?22:49
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: weird, a troll on a years old nameserv account23:15
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djszapiwhy does my fremantle (N90) not see the emmc, just the memory card after launching the pdfreader ?23:43
SpeedEvilIs it plugged into USB?23:43
djszapiI am trying to click on the open option there, but it does not see the emmc meaning that it does not see the /home/user directory either23:43
djszapiit is not.23:43
SpeedEvilIs this a n900 which has never been over-the-air upgraded, and is still on PR1.0?23:44
SpeedEvilI vaguely recall that this is the symptom you see if the emmc has failed.23:44
SpeedEvilHowever, it could also be that reflashing will fix it, as it's merely corrupt.23:45
SpeedEvilI'd start looking at dmesg to see if there are any errors listed.23:45
djszapiI am at the airport and the route map is in pdf23:45
djszapiI would like to take a look at it somehow, is there a possible workaround ?23:46
djszapifrom cli ?23:46
SpeedEvildoes /home/user appear in the cli?23:46
SpeedEvilIn that case - ignore above comments. First I'd try rebooting. Then I'd try copying the pdf over - cp - from the home dir to the SD card23:47
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djszapiit writes the sd card format is not supported.23:48
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djszapiso I am afraid the copy would not help23:48
djszapicannot I just run the pdfviewer from cli ?23:48
djszapiwhat is the name of the pdfviewer binary ?23:48
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MohammadAGosso something23:49
SpeedEvilIt may be tricky23:49
SpeedEvilMuch stuff doesn't work well from CLI23:49
djszapitrue, osso_pdfviewer23:50
SpeedEvilIf you can find the pdf on a google search, you can click on the 'quick view' link to get it to render as pdf23:50
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djszapihowever, it does not open any pdf23:50
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djszapiseems this system is completely broken somehow23:52
djszapithere is no even error message on the stdout/err23:52
SpeedEvilMost of the included programs don't reallyu do normal stfout23:53
djszapiwell I have no idea how to fix it23:53
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djszapishould I reinstall the pdfviewer ?23:54
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SpeedEvilThe pdf viewer is working as normal.23:55
MohammadAGosso_pdfviewer opens it for me23:55
SpeedEvilYou need to work out why it's not mounting the emmc23:55
SpeedEvilOr that.23:55
SpeedEvilcat /proc/partitions - does it list the emmc?23:56
SpeedEvilHowever - first - if the web browser is working - I'd be looking for some service I cnn use to convert pdfs to html23:56
DocScrutinizerpr1.0 ??!? o-O :-o23:56
DocScrutinizerI doubt anybody here still remembers all the quirks it had23:57
djszapiSpeedEvil what is the name of the emmc that I should see there ?23:57
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GAN900That was 1997 or so, right?23:57
djszapimmcblk1p* I see23:57
* GAN900 wonders how many are left who remember OS2005.23:57
SpeedEvil /dev/mmcblk1p*23:58
djszapiyes, it it is there23:58
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SpeedEvilThey should be listed with sizes - 32 million blocks or so23:58
djszapiyep it is23:59
DocScrutinizer?? /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat23:59

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