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| rm_you | I AM BACK | 01:32 |
| rm_you | fscking windoze | 01:33 |
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| pupnik_ | Homeland security seizes domains. Firefox provides add-on that circumvents this. Homeland security demands that Firefox remove the add-on. Firefox responds to demand with list of inconvenient questions http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/14444714170/homeland-security-demands-mozilla-remove-firefox-extension-that-redirects-seized-domains.shtml | 01:39 |
| pupnik_ | hey rm_you | 01:39 |
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| rm_you | hey pupnik_ | 01:39 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: http://public.pipapo.org/Germany%20(Big).squash 3.9GB btw | 01:40 |
| cehteh | (anyone else here using monav?) | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: what's that? | 01:42 |
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| cehteh | http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ | 01:42 |
| cehteh | vector maps and insanely fast routing | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | That sounds too large. | 01:42 |
| cehteh | quote from christoph: "the bad thing about it is, that you dont even notice when you took the wrong way because it instantly reroutes" | 01:43 |
| cehteh | too large for what? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Is that in PBF? | 01:44 |
| cehteh | thats the german OSM maps with a very big windows into its neighbour countries | 01:44 |
| cehteh | monav format (thats a some dirs with a lot preprocessed files) | 01:44 |
| cehteh | i just squashfs'ed it | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:44 |
| pupnik_ | nice cehteh | 01:45 |
| pupnik_ | works on n900? | 01:45 |
| cehteh | normally unpacked its about 6GB | 01:45 |
| cehteh | yes | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems large -as all of europe in PBF is 5.6G | 01:45 |
| cehteh | (needs power kernel for squashfs and loopback) | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (8G in bz2) | 01:45 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: can that insanely fast route? | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the raw data format. | 01:46 |
| cehteh | so thats something completely different | 01:46 |
| cehteh | monav uses some new algorithm which packs the routing logic into the file data and then the device can just access the file in some special way to *have* the routes without expensive computations | 01:47 |
| nox- | cehteh, 403 | 01:47 |
| cehteh | moment | 01:47 |
| nox- | :) | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Compurtations are not that expnsive with properr heirarchies. | 01:47 |
| cehteh | try now | 01:47 |
| nox- | working | 01:48 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes but i am not aware of any other software for the n900 which does that | 01:48 |
| cehteh | any other mapping thing on the n900 uses either online routing or sucks | 01:49 |
| cehteh | possibly both | 01:49 |
| cehteh | you dont have good bike or pedestrian routing | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair, germany is probably unusually well served with OSM | 01:50 |
| cehteh | well works for me :) | 01:50 |
| pupnik_ | wonderful stuff cehteh | 01:50 |
| pupnik_ | ty | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | There seems to be something in the German mapper that is a little bit completist. | 01:51 |
| cehteh | well thank the monav people, not me, i only had the idea to squashfs the german map because i dont want to conserve some space on my sd card | 01:51 |
| cehteh | christoph also saied that there may be file format changes in the future, internet updates and so on .. lets see | 01:52 |
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| cehteh | i wonder how big a europe map would be compressed :P | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: thanks. Still wondering if I really need it | 01:57 |
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| nox- | oh yeah and thanx cehteh :) | 01:58 |
| cehteh | hehe dunno .. i just made it available for fun and because you have to install a backported squashfs gor compress it | 01:58 |
| cehteh | of course you can d/l the maps from the official site and use them uncompressed or squash them by yourself | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: should I mirror it on my box? | 01:59 |
| cehteh | dunno | 01:59 |
| cehteh | thats my hetzner box so traffic isnt a big problem | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd do that "just for you" to have a second source you can link to | 02:00 |
| cehteh | no need | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | (hetzner) I know | 02:00 |
| cehteh | it will prolly be outdated sometime soon when the monav people provide newer maps | 02:00 |
| cehteh | i then generate a new one for me personally and if anyone asks me i can upload it again | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how about generating the new one on your box ;-) | 02:01 |
| cehteh | if you want to .. feel free | 02:01 |
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| cehteh | you saied you played with monav .. how about a whole europe map? | 02:02 |
| cehteh | and canary islands please :P | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, just thought your box probably idles anyway, and you'd have to dl it locally anyway as well, while your box has a better backbone probably | 02:02 |
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| cehteh | i am very lazy at this and will only care as much i need it by myself | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | just was suggesting about a way to avoid dog slow upload | 02:04 |
| cehteh | i also asked christoph about putting the squashed maps on the osm server, but he replied that they then have to do that for all maps and for all squashfs versions which is a maintenance burden as well as the format will likely change soon | 02:04 |
| cehteh | that was my fault, otherwise i try to work on the server and only download then | 02:04 |
| cehteh | bittorrent on the hetzner server rocks ... getting a (free!) movie in 5 minutes down :P | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant :-D | 02:05 |
| cehteh | yeah i can do that on my server too | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | i just had the idea about squashing the cruft after i downloaded it to my home box, squashed it there and then uploaded it over serveral days :P | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hetzner backbone indeed rocks | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I did a wget of some MB, I thought "wtf went wrong??" when the cmd returned in NO time | 02:07 |
| cehteh | yeah | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | faster than my local HDD ;-D | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, booztime | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | l8r | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | cehteh: 5 minutes? | 02:23 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: i can do it in less than 60s | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: in ovh in france | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: on gigabit link | 02:24 |
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| tttw | Hello | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 03:14 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, on your poll, the "Other" entries have 17%, are they listable somewhere? | 03:52 |
| lcuk | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=42 | 03:52 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, they violate facebook's rules, so I didn't include them | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | (and one violates Apple's rules) :P | 03:54 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:56 |
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| MohammadAG | also, I'll include the iOS icons for now | 04:06 |
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| MohammadAG | hopefully some designer will help me replace them asap | 04:06 |
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| lolcat | MohammadAG: Cisco iOS or Apple iOS? | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | Apple iOS | 04:09 |
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| lolcat | I think it is confusing they named them the same | 04:13 |
| lolcat | They should have made a better name | 04:13 |
| lcuk | they need a poll to choose names! :P | 04:14 |
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| lolcat | lcuk: Nah, their name would just end up being: "Other" every single time | 04:15 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, nope, they can sue cisco | 04:22 |
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| fusi[n900] | oh crap | 04:32 |
| fusi[n900] | just overwrote /etc/modules accidentally | 04:33 |
| fusi[n900] | copypasta from website and copied terminating > | 04:33 |
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| fusi[n900] | so ended up executing nano > /etc/modules | 04:34 |
| fusi[n900] | :/ | 04:34 |
| fusi[n900] | would someone mind pastebinning what the contents of this file should like please | 04:34 |
| fusi[n900] | llook* | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Empty is functioanlly equivalent. | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's got nothing but comments | 04:35 |
| fusi[n900] | ah jolly good | 04:35 |
| fusi[n900] | thank you | 04:35 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | Google forced me to change my Youtube password due to suspicious activity | 04:40 |
| fusi[n900] | o.0 | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I wouldn't have expected anything else than suspicious activities when *you*'re using youtube ;-D | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just make sure it's not been this request that was the real suspicious activity - I.E. a phishing hoax | 04:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey, that's cool! freenode now filters your password, so you can't type it accidentally, like '****' | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whenever I type my password ******, it comes to channel as **** | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | now please change your facebook password, there's been suspicious activity! | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | old password: | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | <facebook> Please enter your old password: | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | <yawn> | 04:56 |
| fusi[n900] | wannawrite a script to make the n900 keyb leds do a knightrider thing when slid out :) | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, isn't that just *too* simple? | 04:56 |
| nox- | i doubt its single leds under each key... | 04:56 |
| fusi[n900] | there are 6 | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, but 6 LEDS | 04:57 |
| nox- | ah | 04:57 |
| fusi[n900] | doc im a shell noob :) | 04:57 |
| lcuk | fusi[n900], easy is making the script to do it. hard is integrating it into a complete app to make use of it - MohammadAG will show you the scripts to do KR | 04:57 |
| fusi[n900] | was hoping there was smt like init.d but for keyb events or smt | 04:58 |
| fusi[n900] | :D | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for I in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do echo 100 >LED$I/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0>LED$I/brightness; done | 04:58 |
| fusi[n900] | i have little grasp of linux :( | 04:58 |
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| fusi[n900] | kewl | 04:58 |
| lcuk | so to light a single led you have a bit of a learning curve! | 04:59 |
| * lcuk understands that dilemma | 04:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for linking to slider-open, search tmo for keyword playswoosh | 04:59 |
| fusi[n900] | cool thanks doc | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fusi[n900]: anyway you'll run into race problems with mce, which is controlling kbd LEDS | 05:02 |
| fusi[n900] | could i pause/block mce? | 05:02 |
| fusi[n900] | mm | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may want to assume all leds are 'on' and rather temporaray set /current to 0 and then back to it's original value | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusi[n900]: stopping mce is possible but highly troublesome | 05:03 |
| fusi[n900] | are the led levels readable? | 05:03 |
| fusi[n900] | mwaha | 05:03 |
| fusi[n900] | ok | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just cat kb-led$I/brightness | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or /current for this purpose | 05:04 |
| fusi[n900] | im thinking mce would only turn them on/off when ambient light thesh is passed | 05:04 |
| fusi[n900] | cool | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but also only when slider opened | 05:05 |
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| fusi[n900] | i could just store them, do the lil anim then restore | 05:05 |
| fusi[n900] | yea | 05:05 |
| fusi[n900] | im seeing things about dbus | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so whenever ambient light is low enough so you see your KR light, it will just get ramped up by mce the moment your slide open trigger fires | 05:05 |
| fusi[n900] | aye thers only 1 tevent | 05:06 |
| fusi[n900] | mm | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, wait 1s for mce to finish its cruft, store values, do your thing, then restore values to original | 05:06 |
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| MohammadAG | but first, he'll paste a link to his facebook app http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1001474#post1001474 | 05:06 |
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| fusi[n900] | ill have a play and let u know :) | 05:07 |
| MohammadAG | KR.sh, good times, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/KR.sh | 05:07 |
| fusi[n900] | thanks for the help :) | 05:07 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I actually modified the vumeter app to pulsate the keyboard, just never released it (I think?) | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fusi[n900]: just don't mess with current too much. It's unclear how much current the LEDs really can cope with. So you might kill them by setting ledN/current to a too high value | 05:08 |
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| fusi[n900] | eep | 05:08 |
| fusi[n900] | kk | 05:08 |
| fusi[n900] | they really do give you full controldont they :D | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometmes they do, yes :-P | 05:09 |
| lcuk | on the plus side, the hot leds will be nice finger warmers | 05:09 |
| fusi[n900] | i came from a winmo touchpro >.< | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: not really | 05:09 |
| fusi[n900] | lol | 05:09 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, a better finger warmer; get kernel sources, while true; do make -j 9 && make clean; done | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the flash LEDs will, not the kbd LEDs though | 05:10 |
| fusi[n900] | hrhr | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: exactly | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG | I use it as a room heater more than a finger warmer though | 05:11 |
| MohammadAG | it's cheaper than gas these days | 05:11 |
| fusi[n900] | yer savecpu is warning me regularly | 05:11 |
| fusi[n900] | :F | 05:11 |
| MohammadAG | my laptop goes up to 80C when compiling | 05:11 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure that shortens its life span, but by the time it dies I'm sure we'll have i12s and i20s around | 05:12 |
| fusi[n900] | i had a p3 1ghz that i topped 100c with :D | 05:12 |
| fusi[n900] | aah the good ol days | 05:12 |
| fusi[n900] | abit vp6 mobo <3 | 05:12 |
| GAN900 | P3 pff | 05:13 |
| GAN900 | I had a dual G5 | 05:13 |
| fusi[n900] | heh | 05:13 |
| GAN900 | One of the liquid cooled models. | 05:13 |
| GAN900 | So hot Apple had to replace it with a Mac Pro for fear of lawsuits. *g* | 05:14 |
| fusi[n900] | i had a stock fan Mwah | 05:14 |
| fusi[n900] | lol | 05:14 |
| fusi[n900] | oh dear | 05:14 |
| fusi[n900] | win4u | 05:14 |
| GAN900 | What was everybody's takeaway from Intel's "3D" chip process announcement? | 05:14 |
| fusi[n900] | wasnt listening ;o | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: next week meego meeting in Paris?? | 05:16 |
| fusi[n900] | i can has to write script me go now byebye! | 05:16 |
| GAN900 | Paris? | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 00:44:26] <khorben> I'll be at their dev event next week in Paris | 05:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 00:44:53] <khorben> yeah during solutions linux | 05:17 |
| GAN900 | Dunno. Is it an AppUp thing? | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | a wut? | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 00:45:00] <khorben> intel appup | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 05:19 |
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| pauly | hi i have n900 | 05:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Congratulations. | 05:49 |
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| Natanaiel | can u open https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ ? it tells me Access Denied! | 09:20 |
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| vldcnst | 403 here, too. | 09:27 |
| Natanaiel | 3 of my catalogues are unavailable for this reason | 09:29 |
| Natanaiel | nokia SSU, nokia applications & OVI | 09:29 |
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| pupnik__ | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/14444714170/homeland-security-demands-mozilla-remove-firefox-extension-that-redirects-seized-domains.shtml Homeland security is an illegal organization | 10:08 |
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| Termana | good morning | 11:26 |
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| pupnik__ | moo | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | Pupnik "Evil Ram" version: http://www.beastsofwar.com/rama/minirama-scifi/pupnik-evil-ram-version/ | 12:10 |
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| rcg | pupnik: i got no clue what this is.. looks pretty damn nice though ;) | 12:59 |
| pupnik | that artist has a whole website full of amaaazing miniatures | 13:00 |
| pupnik | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wdkIFdzbrpY/TB4YboSR5gI/AAAAAAAABZw/pEqv0y9eXJY/s1600/Untitled-2.jpg about the size of a bottle cap | 13:01 |
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| rcg | sweet.. must be a hell of a lot of work.. gotta hit the road though... bbl | 13:03 |
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| pupnik | yeap | 13:05 |
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| Natanaiel | can anybody open https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ ? | 14:00 |
| Natanaiel | Access denied for me! | 14:00 |
| Natanaiel | I cant's access to Nokia SSU, Nokia applications & OVI | 14:00 |
| Natanaiel | I don't know what's wrong with thease catalogues?! | 14:01 |
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| ShadowJK | you always get access denied with the browser | 14:14 |
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| Natanaiel | ShadowJK: I always get access denied! with or without browser! | 14:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | you're trying to download it how? | 14:34 |
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| Natanaiel | thoses catalogues don't upgrade & I always get error 403 for them | 14:35 |
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| Natanaiel | they failed to refresh | 14:39 |
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| cityLights | hi, I am tring to use gobject.timeout_add in a python script and somehow it all loops | 14:46 |
| cityLights | http://dpaste.com/539788/ | 14:46 |
| cityLights | can anyone pls explain what I did wrong? | 14:46 |
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| otwieracz | Hello. | 14:54 |
| otwieracz | Is available, to communicate from PC with my n810 through virtual com ports by usb cable? | 14:56 |
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| robbiethe1st | otwieracz: Yes, I think. How, I dunno. | 14:58 |
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| otwieracz | I want use mapping program basing on NMEA data send from PC. | 15:00 |
| otwieracz | usbserial at n810, I think. | 15:01 |
| otwieracz | But what at Windows? | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/photos/Summer_Skin_Beetle_sm.html | 15:02 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, ping | 15:21 |
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| Guest73711 | So I'm about to reflash my phone as it's stuck in a reboot loop. I'm wondering what's the latest and greatest that I should flash? The forum has become quite a mess with the 200+ page long threads. How is the community version coming? | 15:41 |
| otwieracz | How to get /dev/ttyUSB0 at n810? | 15:41 |
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| Venemo | Guest73711, see | 15:41 |
| Venemo | ~flashing | 15:41 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:41 |
| Venemo | after the reflash, you can install the Community SSU, but I'd recommend not to until a recent issue with Qt will be solved | 15:41 |
| Guest73711 | Ok, see that's the type of thing I'd have no clue about. | 15:42 |
| Guest73711 | Thanks. | 15:42 |
| Guest73711 | So PR 1.3 then? | 15:45 |
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| Venemo | Guest73711, PR 1.3 Global Combined | 15:45 |
| Guest73711 | Venemo: how usable is the community SSU? I'd image a problem with qt is going to cause pretty big dependency issues but assuming that gets resolved how workable is it? | 15:46 |
| Venemo | Guest73711, it is very nice stuff | 15:46 |
| Guest73711 | Hmm I don't see "Global Combined" under tablets-dev.nokia.com | 15:47 |
| Venemo | Guest73711, the only problem is that the updated Qt version (4.7.2) has a borked raster graphics system | 15:47 |
| Venemo | Guest73711, RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 15:47 |
| Guest73711 | Ok, cool. | 15:47 |
| Guest73711 | Thanks. | 15:47 |
| Guest73711 | And what eMMC should I use? | 15:48 |
| Venemo | latest | 15:48 |
| Venemo | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin 262090105 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 | 15:48 |
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| Guest73711 | Ok, any current issues with the Power Kernel? | 15:50 |
| Venemo | if there are, I don't know about 'em | 15:51 |
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| Guest73711 | Cool, thanks. I know last time I flashed there were issues with fcamera | 15:52 |
| pupnik | hey are there any more dev units for n900? | 15:53 |
| pupnik | i have some people who deserve developer n900s | 15:53 |
| pupnik | X-Fade: Jaffa | 15:53 |
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| markinfo | is there Obex server installed in n900? | 15:58 |
| markinfo | I get always in Blueman from my Notebook - Failed to open "obex://[5C:57:C8:77:DD:69]/" | 16:00 |
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| Venemo | [14:53] <pupnik> i have some people who deserve developer n900s -> contact qgil | 16:12 |
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| pupnik | where can i upload a mp3 | 16:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | youtube | 16:26 |
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| otwieracz | How to enable virtual COM communication between PC and n810 through bluetooth? | 16:42 |
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| cityLights | SpeedEvil: do you use python? | 16:46 |
| cityLights | I seek help | 16:46 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: The Council manage the Developer Device Queue, for which there is a wiki page | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: what devices are you managing there? | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now? | 17:14 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: BE PART OF THE | 17:14 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: DO YOU SUCK THE COCK | 17:15 |
| pupnik | DO YOU SLURP THE JISM | 17:15 |
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| pupnik | sorry | 17:16 |
| pupnik | i hate the doofus murderers | 17:17 |
| pupnik | i have so much awesome music to share | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: you gotta hear my music | 17:19 |
| pupnik | doc|home: you suck israeli cock | 17:19 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: was waiting | 17:19 |
| cityLights | can you pls look at http://dpaste.com/539788/ | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: next one is a kickban | 17:19 |
| pupnik | why | 17:20 |
| pupnik | jew ? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a worksafe channel | 17:20 |
| pupnik | reality free? | 17:20 |
| cityLights | right, and I need gobject help | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and insults are not tolerated | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I know you for ages now, I'll help you... | 17:21 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i'll discuss things with you | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ping me if you got sober again | 17:22 |
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| cehteh | uhm .. popcorn time? | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, my backscroll visible is like 30 lines | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm just looking at it fist time since hours | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 16:15:32] <pupnik> DocScrutinizer: DO YOU SUCK THE COCK | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the first thing somebody says to me, before I even got my morning coffee | 17:26 |
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| lolcat | Why is Android so flashy? | 17:33 |
| lolcat | The N900 is the best communications device I know | 17:33 |
| lolcat | But android looks so SLICK | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: afaik there are no more devel devices available from Nokia. Quim last time said "this is the last devdev shipping ever" - ask GAN900 | 17:35 |
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| lolcat | I didn't get a device from Nokia :( | 17:36 |
| cehteh | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/05/07/1215246/Micro-SD-Card-Slot-Abused-As-VGA-Port | 17:36 |
| cehteh | haha .. nice hack | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you're applying for a /nokia/troll cloak, you can't get both | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: SD card slot is good for a lot of things | 17:38 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Who is our GC? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | x-fade | 17:38 |
| cehteh | but in many devices you have only one to fry :P | 17:38 |
| dm8tbr | that's because it's simply SDIO :) | 17:38 |
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| dm8tbr | wifi is often connected by SDIO | 17:38 |
| lolcat | X-Fade: May I have a /nokia/opensourcesomething cloack? | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: this is maemo, not nokia | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: exactly | 17:40 |
| lolcat | Is there any issues in buying display N900's? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the dummy devices? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think SpeedEvil found they're largely useless, except for the stylus | 17:41 |
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| lolcat | No, there is a shop in Norway who has two real N900eds used as display models | 17:44 |
| lolcat | THey use real models so you can try them out in the shop | 17:44 |
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| lolcat | They apparently have two | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It was a friend - but yes. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 100% custom | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: nothing special with these, except I would get me a fresh battery same time I buy any of those | 17:48 |
| cityLights | when I issue this command gobject.timeout_add(wait_duration,callback) does it issue the callback straight away or does it wait first? | 17:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I saw display models in a shop. Some cheeky cunt had entered a lock code. | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: make sure you get them with original package and accessory, or a decent rabate on price | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, yeah. make sure there's no lockcode as well, or even more substantial down on price | 17:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | make sure the accessory works and there's no accessory left out | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Making sure it's not barred or locked too | 17:56 |
| psycho_oreos | the display models I saw were all fake (you can easily tell they had silver case for the screen portion). Also the cheeky assistant installed a few things like frozen-bubble, IME input method and few other things (which screwed up the ability to bring up extra chars) | 17:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | for me, I also make sure that I had the hw rev of 2204 not 2101 | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: that's hard to accomplish | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as those salesmen have no clue how to determine hw rev | 18:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'd demo the device prior to purchasing. They allow you do that when I was in HK (though they were rather amused at me tapping away on the console) | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if you can check the device before purchase, then no problem anyway, no? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was thinking along ebay purchase | 18:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | not always :) but at least you've ruled most of the potential issues with N900 or better yet if they tried to sell you a fake N900 :D | 18:05 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh those | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't there an app called healthcheck or sth? ;-D | 18:06 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Should I buy both? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | never tested it, but I'd think it ought to be the exactly right app for this purpose | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: how do you think I could possibly answer that question? | 18:08 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh yeah I've ran that program before, couldn't understand what was its usefulness when you could pretty much do everything from the console :D | 18:08 |
| lolcat | First time I bougth a display model it was without the carger. So I got a usb cable and some converter thing. It had a tiny scratch in the screen, and the stylus was gone (didn't notice the stylus untill afterwards) but I got it quite cheap. | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'd like to get working devices that are <100$ anyway | 18:09 |
| psycho_oreos | my second n900 didn't come with nokia A/V cable and headset doesn't work with n900 (it worked with n95-1 however on the contrary) | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd stop eating for a week to afford it | 18:10 |
| lolcat | Les than $100? I think that would be hard | 18:10 |
| psycho_oreos | well with a functional n900 at this rate :) | 18:10 |
| psycho_oreos | let alone running actual maemo OS not symbian dressed up as maemo | 18:10 |
| lolcat | I love the IM and skype integration | 18:11 |
| lolcat | Everything at one place | 18:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | I liked it because it was an actual linux powered phone, I didn't really care if it was nokia (and not anymore because of Elop). | 18:12 |
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| lolcat | If only they could get the next one with the latest debian. 1gb ram, 1ghz cpu, a better gpu and I can't think of anything else my N900 needs | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Screen taking up a bit more orf the bezel might be nice. | 18:19 |
| psycho_oreos | only time will tell | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Some better solution to usb socket | 18:20 |
| lolcat | We have USB hostmode, isn't that good enough? | 18:20 |
| lolcat | I just have to figure out where it is | 18:20 |
| lolcat | The shop with the two N900's | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean mechanical. | 18:20 |
| lolcat | Ahh | 18:20 |
| lolcat | That I agree with. My N900 is dead for the second time because of it | 18:21 |
| lolcat | err, thrid | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'easy' solution would be to make a low-profile cable | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets-accessories/wired-headsets/nokia-digital-radio-headset-dab/gallery | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | They even make one | 18:22 |
| lolcat | That is why I am asking for a refund, to buy a 'new' N900 and have a few hundred extra for new batteries and such. And a new 5 year warrant will be nice (if the price is over $400, less and it will be 2 years). | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 5r year? | 18:22 |
| lolcat | Yep | 18:22 |
| lolcat | By law | 18:22 |
| lolcat | Wich is awesome, since only a fraction of phones lasts longer than 5 years | 18:23 |
| lolcat | They have 2 chances to repair the same error. On the thrid time it appears you can demand a refund / a new device. | 18:23 |
| lolcat | Could I just go into the shop, get a friend to set a lock code, and then demand a huge discount on one of them. THen I buy the other one at $400 so I get the 5 year warranty. Wichever breaks first I return on the 5 year warranty... | 18:25 |
| lolcat | or on the two year probably | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | You do realize that government-mandated warranty periods are just factored into the product price, right? | 18:25 |
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| lolcat | GAN900: Yes and? Most people don't utilize them. I argue every time, say I work customer support so I need to borrow a smartphone while mine is in for repairs. | 18:26 |
| lolcat | And I can have NO cost in having phones for the rest of my life | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4215741/Nokia-may-lag-shift-to-dual-core-phones?cid=NL_EETimesDaily | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | hahahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahah | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *NEED* 8 cores at minimum!!1!111!!!!eleven!!1 | 18:29 |
| lolcat | Do maemo support dual-core? | 18:29 |
| cehteh | linux supports smp | 18:29 |
| lolcat | I would think it does if you make a custom kernel | 18:29 |
| lolcat | smp? | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lolcat: In principle if you had a dual-core ARM and kernel | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki smp | 18:29 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smp (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'SMP' is a three letter abbreviation that can refer to the following: * In computing, Symmetric multiprocessing, the use of multiple CPUs. * In computing, Symbolic Manipulation Program, a computer algebra system and predecessor of Mathematica. * In cryptography, Socialist Millionaire Problem, a protocol for two parties to verify the identity of the remote party through the use of a shared ... | 18:29 |
| lolcat | SpeedEvil: Or just two of the cpu that is in it? | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | You'd need arbitrartion logic - the ARM does not support that | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin fools | 18:30 |
| cehteh | which was the phone with one slow very power conserving cpu and one high performance core? asymetric multiprocessing | 18:30 |
| cehteh | i think i like this idea | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | those smp fanboys | 18:31 |
| psycho_oreos | if the kernel can be made SMP you still need apps to take advantage of SMP | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, sort of pointless with voltage and mhz scaling. | 18:31 |
| cehteh | GAN900: nope its not | 18:31 |
| cehteh | even scaling cant be work as well as a chip explicitly designed to run at slow speed | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's been GTA03-v0.4 | 18:31 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i meant some commercial one recently released | 18:32 |
| lolcat | Why does Nokia repeatedly shoot temselves in the leg? | 18:32 |
| cehteh | masochism | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | At the extremes, but when do you really need a 50MHz CPU running all the time? | 18:33 |
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| cehteh | GAN900: look at the n900 there are plenty of maintenance tasks which wake up the cpu | 18:33 |
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| cehteh | handling interrupts, caring for watchdogs, sync filesystem, and such | 18:34 |
| cehteh | and you know that the 125Mhz mode isnt really power conserving at the normal cpu | 18:35 |
| cehteh | but there are arm cores around 100mhz which work *very* power conserving much more than the cortex a7 | 18:36 |
| lolcat | Can't they do like the SandyBridge where you turn off the cores that isn't needed? That way dual-core won't use more | 18:36 |
| GAN900 | lolcat, they do that and way more | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | ARM designs have been doing Sandy Bridge powersaving since forever. | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: we did even way more - our 2nd aux CPU been a really small one that handles all the peripheral things, and it been clocked at some 20NHz afaik | 18:38 |
| cehteh | nanohertz awesome :) | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's called SmartReflex | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | M ;-D | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idle power consumption in the uW range | 18:39 |
| cehteh | yeah | 18:39 |
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| lolcat | oO | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | would've served for a better replacement for LP5523 et al | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | even check WiFi for relevant pkgs to wake main CPU | 18:40 |
| lolcat | How much would it cost to make a new N900? With new debian, and the same features. | 18:40 |
| * cehteh wonders what powering up a cpu and switching the frequencies alone costs without doing any work | 18:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, only ~53mio | 18:40 |
| lolcat | ~$53 millions? | 18:41 |
| lolcat | Did they use THAT much on the N900? Oo | 18:41 |
| cehteh | btw any news on the gta04? | 18:42 |
| lolcat | I thougth, steal the motherboard, improve the usb port, change cpu/ram, add a new 4G modem. Get a better battery, and a hdmi port. Then you need software, a dialer, modem drivers, skype, and the maemo layout. | 18:42 |
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| lolcat | Oh, and a new GPU | 18:42 |
| lolcat | What license is Maemo? | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | A variety | 18:43 |
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| cehteh | lolcat: the hardware is very tightly integrated you cant just exchange some parts | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you'll NEVER get skype | 18:45 |
| cehteh | cpu, dsp, ram are on one die .. the gpu maybe as well i dont know, DocScrutinizer prolly knows | 18:45 |
| * lolcat is frustrated for the lack of announcments regarding N900'eds sequell | 18:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: is as wee | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well | 18:45 |
| cehteh | is baseband on another die? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:46 |
| lolcat | 4G isn't really a big deal | 18:46 |
| cehteh | with gps .. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | RAPUYAMA (+ GAZOO) BB5 modem chipser | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | chipset | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main problem is the sourcing | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | So, any bets on what the N950 is running? | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | If it's not OMAP3630 | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you simply can't buy small amounts of those nice new SOCs | 18:48 |
| lolcat | GAN900: 1GHz dual core, 1GB ram, 60GB ssd, 4G, and mini hdmi | 18:49 |
| cehteh | any bets if the n950 will be withdrawn? :) | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | lolcat, good for you. | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, I wouldn't be surprised at this point. | 18:49 |
| cehteh | hey its nokia ... nothing surprises me | 18:49 |
| lolcat | GAN900: They should have made it like an oQo, they have pretty impressive specs. | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | Given the announcements that'd been reversed over the past few years. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask timeless | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui he's no Nokian anymore | 18:50 |
| lolcat | Where can you chat to Nokia people? | 18:50 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, oh? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowhere | 18:50 |
| cehteh | is stefan kost still at nokia? | 18:50 |
| GAN900 | The MeeGo Devices team is actually making commits to WP7, they just don't realize it. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I mixed sth, but I seem to recall sth that's not been a dream | 18:51 |
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| GAN900 | "Man, this Qt stuff looks a lots like .NET. . . ." | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: who's Stefan Kost? | 18:51 |
| cehteh | i dont care about nokia .. and my next smartphone will be a free linux again, if not from nokia then from someone else (not sony :P) | 18:51 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: gstreamer guy | 18:52 |
| lolcat | Does Nokia own the trademark N950? | 18:52 |
| lolcat | cehteh: Wich one? | 18:52 |
| cehteh | lolcat: i dont plan to buy one soon, my n900 still works | 18:52 |
| cehteh | i decide when the n900 falls apart | 18:52 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, that's the problem. Who is the someone else? | 18:52 |
| cehteh | gta05 :) | 18:52 |
| lolcat | I can't wait to get my new N900 back | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I plan to buy a 3rd N900 to make sure this doesn't change next time | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I already dropped it one time, and one time dropped, saved from falling into street drain but then stepped on it. Still works but a scary statistic for 18 months usage | 18:54 |
| bekoz | who else makes good free linux phones? | 18:55 |
| cehteh | hehe mine dropped on the stree while biking | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody | 18:55 |
| cehteh | street | 18:56 |
| cehteh | my self build case worked, prevented any damage | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 18:56 |
| bekoz | that just bites | 18:56 |
| lolcat | bekoz: N900 is free? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | photo or it didn't happen | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Was thisthat wierrd polycarbonate one? | 18:56 |
| bekoz | yeah I have one | 18:56 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes | 18:56 |
| bekoz | Just wondering | 18:56 |
| lolcat | I don't know any other real linux phones that are usable | 18:57 |
| bekoz | I couldn't find any others | 18:57 |
| cehteh | for now the n900 is certainly the best | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There are open-source phones - but not linux. | 18:57 |
| bekoz | ti will be a shame if this one ever dies on me and I can't replace it | 18:57 |
| cehteh | there are some expensive niche products | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/products/287 | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are open-source linux phones, but obsolete ;-D | 18:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Open-source phone. | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Not linux though. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are also anti-vendor ports | 18:58 |
| bekoz | yeah but how long will they stay open-source | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g on palm pre, HTC dunnowhat, milestone iirc | 18:59 |
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| cehteh | http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/road-keeps-their-linux-handy-pc-concept-alive/ is ROAD still alive? | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, it ever been? | 18:59 |
| bekoz | http://www.sparkfun.com/products/287 - LOL SpeedEvil | 18:59 |
| cehteh | yes i seen them | 18:59 |
| bekoz | hard to carry | 18:59 |
| cehteh | theh had real working hardware | 18:59 |
| cehteh | but underpowered and too expensive | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, for 9999 gold | 19:00 |
| cehteh | on the good side they wanted to make a very rugged phone for workers and so on | 19:00 |
| dangergrrl | i know people who are very happy with their ols openmoko phones | 19:00 |
| dangergrrl | old | 19:00 |
| flux | recently I discussed with friends, that it would be great to have a rotary voip phone | 19:00 |
| cehteh | but i dont know how they progressed | 19:00 |
| dangergrrl | but openmoko is old now | 19:00 |
| flux | you could rotate in the ip digits.. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | obsolete as I said | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: ^^^ | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 19:00 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 19:00 |
| cehteh | if i had expected the gta04 upgrade path some years ago i would have buyed a openmoko instead a n900 | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | Portrait phones are useless. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | "phones" w/o hw kbd are useless as pocket PC | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, I'd not even like to use a tablet/pad | 19:02 |
| cehteh | http://www.road-gmbh.de/ | 19:03 |
| cehteh | aha ... ok | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:03 |
| cehteh | another one bites the dust :/ | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | try gizmo4you | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly vanished as well | 19:04 |
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| dangergrrl | i'm really considering getting a handykey twiddler2 for use with my n900 except i wonder how using usb host mode would effect battery life #1 and #2 when i sit and use the n900 i'm almost always plugged into power so using a usb kb would prevent that | 19:04 |
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| cehteh | thats the problem .. you cant do this business as startup with small series | 19:04 |
| cehteh | you can not compete | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: NAK for #2 | 19:05 |
| dangergrrl | i'm already having an issue with my planned use for mine in that the fm transmitter won't work while charging | 19:05 |
| cehteh | so over & out | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~powered-hostmode | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hhmpf | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 19:05 |
| infobot | it has been said that hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: there's also a workaround for the FMTX-while-charging issue | 19:06 |
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| dangergrrl | i was looking at a 'car cassette adaptor' that lists n810 but not n900 as supported but i'm not sure the 3mm plug is the same | 19:07 |
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| dangergrrl | oh, i should look that up | 19:07 |
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| bekoz | I just use a generic casette adapter | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: car cassette adapters are plain headsets for all that matters | 19:08 |
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| bekoz | works just fine | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bekoz: ack | 19:08 |
| bekoz | works great actually | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should work flawlessly with N810 as well as N900 | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as any arbitrary "walkman" type device | 19:10 |
| dangergrrl | well i know the n900 provided headset i get mono if i plug it into the pc, seems it should work, maybe my pc headphone jack is a bit off spec | 19:10 |
| dangergrrl | so i thought there was a slight alignment issue | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is compatible to standard 3pole 3.5mm plugs for headphones | 19:10 |
| dangergrrl | so the $2 cassette adaptor from amazon should be fine | 19:11 |
| dangergrrl | awesome | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB there are also "hacks" to make FMTX work "always" | 19:12 |
| dangergrrl | i'm gonna try one more time with a charger at radio shack because i'm already $20 invested there, nokia branded chargers actually cost less than what i've spent on a charger that fails | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 19:12 |
| dangergrrl | the fmtx works always hack i would like better | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG if we got that in CSSU | 19:13 |
| dangergrrl | i like to keep the n900 in my fairing pocket and carry it inside with me when i stop, less wires == better | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it was of the class that can't easily get deployed via extras(-devel) | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | nah, it's illegal to distributed patched binaries | 19:14 |
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| dangergrrl | oh | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok then | 19:14 |
| dangergrrl | you have to hack it yourself? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you at least got a link? | 19:14 |
| bekoz | for informational purposes ofcourse | 19:15 |
| bekoz | :) | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski.org | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hail jacekowski | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | a fsckng genius | 19:16 |
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| merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: it's weekend | 19:17 |
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| merlin1991 | there's always a chance :D | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | getting less of a chance month by month | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm actually waiting for several of Nokia infra getting orphaned | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | lol @ http://www.youtube.com/user/NokiaHomebase | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | buildhosts, IRC... | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | wtf MohammadAG that ad is fail :D | 19:19 |
| dangergrrl | awesome, i will very much use that, thanks again DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG :) | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:20 |
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| dangergrrl | the jacekowski thing does exactly what i wanted | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | spread the word! maemo not dead, just nobody knows how alive it is | 19:20 |
| dangergrrl | other than not turning the fm transmitter off at random times | 19:20 |
| dangergrrl | i'm honest with people when i recommend the n900 | 19:21 |
| dangergrrl | maemo support form nokia is dead | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:21 |
| dangergrrl | but the community still lives | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly there's never been too much :-P | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (maemo support from Nokia) | 19:22 |
| dangergrrl | the community is what i bought the device for | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and community is pretty much here on IRC | 19:23 |
| dangergrrl | i still don't know if it's just nokia were clueless or there is no way to make money with a device this open | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | history will tell | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia forgot they are a HARDWARE manufacturer | 19:23 |
| dangergrrl | amazon is back up to asking $550us for n900, i got mine at $350 from amazon in december | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | they tried to play the content provider game | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and failed epically | 19:24 |
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| GAN900 | dangergrrl, Nokia is clueless. | 19:24 |
| GAN900 | Run by a bunch of arrogant Finnish dinosaurs. | 19:25 |
| RST38h | Moo, ladies and gentlemen | 19:25 |
| dangergrrl | i've been using mappero and really see no reason i would use ovi maps instead except maybe for offline mode | 19:25 |
| RST38h | routing. | 19:25 |
| dangergrrl | i like the google router better | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're going to make money with open phones, you won't play the content provider game to add value. Your added value is good documentation of the HW so your customers are really free | 19:26 |
| dangergrrl | the ovi router has no option for motorcycle routes | 19:26 |
| dangergrrl | google []avoid highways gives nice motorcycle routes | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | customers will even pay more for same hw, when it comes with a warranty for open docs | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course not joe average-user | 19:27 |
| dangergrrl | that's my only gripe even going to this is the warantee is basicly useless | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | but those who are concerned about their freedom | 19:27 |
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| dangergrrl | if you actually use the n900 you are going to void the warantee in under a day | 19:28 |
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| dangergrrl | why even say it has one year warantee when the warantee is void if you use the device the way most users will | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, and also that's not what I referred to by "warranty" | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | voiding warranty starts with OCing | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not with using whatever sw | 19:29 |
| dangergrrl | the hardware waranee is void if you install the power kernel at all i think even if you don't overclock | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 19:29 |
| dangergrrl | oh, because i have it installed | 19:30 |
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| dangergrrl | but only oc if something doesn't work | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't really matter unless your failure pattern is OC caused | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and believe me, EE can tell what's due to OC and what is a clear warranty case | 19:31 |
| dangergrrl | i've had one or two video files that have stalls unless i oc | 19:31 |
| dangergrrl | my copy of lain | 19:32 |
| dangergrrl | which i can't read the subs on without using the ntsc out cable anyhow :) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so while Nokia probably can tell you installed the PK, they usually won't mind as long as your warranty case is clearly unrelated | 19:33 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 19:34 |
| dangergrrl | that's fine then | 19:34 |
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| Kilroo | Watching some of my friends with their ipads has got me considering both installing nitdroid to my n900 emmc, and shopping around for tablets that can theoretically dual-boot android and meego. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but NB it's easy to kill the device in a number of ways, no matter whether with PK, nitdroid, or plain stock kernel | 19:35 |
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| dangergrrl | nothing at all like a hacked psp then if you send a psp in hacked to sony they won't fix it whether the failure is hacking related or not | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, think they've got EEs in their repair centers? :P | 19:35 |
| nid0 | dangergrrl: a consideration is also how much the service centres care - if your device is dead and the moisture strips arent flagged and it hasnt clearly been dropped, chances are theyll just bin it and send you a new one | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I think they got instructions at repair center about which falure patterns to send to special care EE department | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: ^^^ to you as well | 19:37 |
| dangergrrl | sony has a policy to check what firmware is on the device for psp if they can read the flash at all but they actually replaced the water damaged psp i sent them | 19:37 |
| dangergrrl | but sony obviously does not care about your freedom :) | 19:38 |
| psychologe | has someone know how to use dbus or x-termini command close current application? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good question | 19:38 |
| nusse | hi there | 19:38 |
| cityLights | when I issue this command gobject.timeout_add(wait_duration,callback) does it issue the callback straight away or does it wait first? | 19:39 |
| nusse | should the sdk install work on the latest ubuntu? failes for me, eg creating the sbox group | 19:39 |
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| dangergrrl | but if certain thinks are known to burn up when oc too much it should be easy to look for those | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a button "close current task" on powerbutton menu. I think investigating there you could find an answer | 19:39 |
| Kilroo | ...wouldn't a terminal command to close the current application close the...er...terminal? | 19:39 |
| trx | he wants to execute that cmd from the program itself i guess | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: of course it will wait first | 19:40 |
| Kilroo | Ah. | 19:40 |
| cityLights | thanks, I need to find my bug then | 19:40 |
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| psychologe | i want use "shortcutd" set long press focus key to close current,when current on full screen | 19:41 |
| cityLights | I am three days , trying to understand what is wrong | 19:41 |
| cityLights | the program is not that big | 19:41 |
| dangergrrl | i actually would like to play with meego, can you install it fully to a microsd and boot it with flasher? | 19:41 |
| dangergrrl | i have a 4gb microsd i'm not using | 19:41 |
| dangergrrl | (i know the flasher recovery boot thing is actually a meego kernel) | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: yes | 19:42 |
| Kilroo | I wish my 32gb microsd weren't fail. | 19:42 |
| psychologe | i want use "shortcutd" set long press focus key to close current application ,when current application on full screen | 19:42 |
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| dangergrrl | i should look into that | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | psychologe: check the powerbutton sub-function that does exactly that | 19:43 |
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| psychologe | i think it's quicker faster | 19:44 |
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| dangergrrl | and also figure out how best to get madde under gentoo/sabayon but i don't know how to rewrap for portage | 19:45 |
| Kilroo | Triple-booting maemo, meego and nitdroid is still a pain in the nether regions, right? | 19:45 |
| RST38h | yes | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nitdroid *is* a pain on booting | 19:45 |
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| Kilroo | Wonder if anything will ever come of that briefly-mentioned idea of making multiboot and uboot play nice together. | 19:46 |
| dangergrrl | nitdroid seems neat but last i checked half the hardware was still unsupported | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as those lazy ignorant maintainers of nitdroid refuse to care about proper integration into uBoot, and still rely on fsckdup deprecated multiboot that breaks things for everybody else except nitdroid | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, meego works with uBoot. Nitdroid could as well, if only they'd care | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need for multiboot really | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | multibood is a genius friggin nasty hack | 19:48 |
| Kilroo | I thought at one point I saw a post where someone claimed to have gotten nitdroid to boot with uboot...but there was never any explanation of how so I'm assuming I misunderstood. | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's prone to break the whole system and make you have to reflash, on every single boot and even more any update | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly if you're interested in andidiot, get yourself a decent cheap andridiot device | 19:50 |
| dangergrrl | is this the same multiboot that is the standard grub file format or am i thinking of something else? | 19:50 |
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| dangergrrl | there seems to be a community thing around the hacked nook color | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: completely different thing. They FLASH KERNEL on each boot :-O | 19:51 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 19:51 |
| dangergrrl | yes the grub thing is just some tweaks on a standard ELF file iirc | 19:52 |
| Kilroo | Yeah, I was looking at some information about the nook color to see if it could run meego...I have a friend who was about to root hers the last time I saw her. Apparently the answer is no, though. I'm considering an archos. | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | interrupt boot (aka kernel flashing) -> borked, reflash. Update kernel of maemo ) -> borked, reflash. | 19:53 |
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| bekoz | dangergrrl: what is google router? | 19:53 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninstall nitdroid -> borked, reflash. | 19:53 |
| dangergrrl | sounds no fun | 19:53 |
| otwieracz | Is this available to use gcc 4.x in Diablo scratchbox SDK? | 19:53 |
| dangergrrl | google router? no clue... | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | boot multiboot (aka flash kernel) -> uBoot borked | 19:54 |
| bekoz | weren't yopu talking about it earlier | 19:54 |
| bekoz | ? | 19:54 |
| dangergrrl | i don't think so | 19:54 |
| nid0 | you mean their travel routing? | 19:55 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 19:55 |
| dangergrrl | yes | 19:55 |
| bekoz | yeah | 19:55 |
| dangergrrl | that | 19:55 |
| bekoz | maps | 19:55 |
| dangergrrl | you can choose to use the google map router in mappero if you like | 19:55 |
| bekoz | Kewl thanx | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ergo -> stay AWAY from multiboot, so stay away from nitdroid! Seriously | 19:55 |
| dangergrrl | and if you choose both avoid highways and avoid tolls it gives great cross country routes that avoid superhighways | 19:56 |
| bekoz | that's what I was looking for | 19:56 |
| dangergrrl | ideal for motorcycle rides | 19:56 |
| bekoz | TY | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...until those nitdroid fools care to sanitize their boot process so it's in line with what maemo and meego do | 19:56 |
| dangergrrl | i HATE the superhighways in cities | 19:57 |
| dangergrrl | on a bike it's no fun | 19:57 |
| bekoz | same here | 19:57 |
| bekoz | nothing but concrete | 19:57 |
| bekoz | to see | 19:57 |
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| dangergrrl | stop and go on a bike is a pain too | 19:57 |
| dangergrrl | coming home from the store here i drive 20-30mph through a neighborhood to avoid stop lights | 19:58 |
| dangergrrl | at least i'm moving | 19:58 |
| dangergrrl | the google router also does bicycle for usa and canada now | 20:00 |
| bekoz | How do you choose Google router ? | 20:00 |
| bekoz | or is it just the maps? | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | Proper (not Maemo) Ovi Maps also do that | 20:01 |
| dangergrrl | in mappero | 20:02 |
| RST38h | They are surprisingly good too, tried them on an E7, best GPS I ever had | 20:02 |
| dangergrrl | when you click 'find a route to...' after tapping on the map | 20:02 |
| dangergrrl | the bottom option is 'Router' | 20:02 |
| bekoz | IC | 20:03 |
| dangergrrl | then the button on the right that says options brings up different options for different routers | 20:03 |
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| dangergrrl | odd, didn't list public transport, maybe because i picked a highway destination | 20:05 |
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| dangergrrl | mappero brings in espeak and says it gives voice notifications but i've never heard it do so | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I did | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: seems mappero espeak language is related to kbd-mapping you set | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a lot of mappings have no matching espeak vocabulary | 20:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | dangergrrl, there was a TMO thread about the developer requesting sound files in various languages | 20:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm not sure how far they got at the end | 20:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~tomorrow | 20:13 |
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| infobot | Tomorrow will probably suck too. | 20:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ~tomorrow | 20:14 |
| infobot | Tomorrow will probably suck too. | 20:14 |
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| dangergrrl | oh | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's quite some bits I think should have gathered in mappero - settings - general rather than hardcoded or linked to such nonsense like kbd mapping | 20:18 |
| dangergrrl | i flashed from world, no idea which keyboard mapping i have, is "C" a valid answer? echo $LANG says 'en_US' that's a good sign | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's open source, feel free to contribute | 20:19 |
| dangergrrl | fork? | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm talking about contributing, not forking | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I know, but I've not enough clones (aka fork(me) )to contribute to all the projects I have suggestions for | 20:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yo DocScrutinizer | 20:20 |
| bekoz | wish mapero brought in addresses from contacts | 20:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, sometimes I feel like that too - there should be another me who does the hard stuff and then I could just focus on improving the software I have ideas for | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, saturday night fever ("ooops, need to buy some $food...") - l8r | 20:22 |
| dangergrrl | i must have something misconfigured | 20:22 |
| dangergrrl | i didn't even hear interlingua | 20:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol @ interlingua. What a funny useless idea | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye | 20:23 |
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| dangergrrl | i like the idea of lojban but haven't bothered to learn it | 20:27 |
| dangergrrl | it is parsable with lex/yacc though :) | 20:27 |
| dangergrrl | probably a silly idea for a language for humans to speak but i like it (the idea) | 20:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks own ass for checking another detail rather than hurrying for shopping | 20:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | general advice regarding maemo-OS: http://paste.debian.net/116294/ | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye, now for real | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (also a funny way to hide files) | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only way to access this -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jan 2 2009 x is to umount the MyDocs | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if espeak/mappero is going to install voice files to MyDocs/* (a sane concept) that this will fail epicaly if N900 is in ass-rage mode | 20:43 |
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| derf | Though that'll cause lots of fun if mappero is running while you plug the device into your PC. | 20:44 |
| derf | I enjoyed Android's solution, which was to forcibly unmount the SD card when you do that, causing any programs using a file on it to crash. | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | my X keeps disappearing every now and then :/ | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: that's exactly what maemo in fact does with MyDocs | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | see that pastebin | 20:47 |
| psychologe | mappero has a defect , can't search place used google data | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not exactly, it fails to umount then | 20:47 |
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| derf | Though one thing that can be said for the Android approach: it's easy to find out what programs were using the SD card when you want to mount it on the PC. | 20:48 |
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| derf | I've given up and rebooted my N900 before. | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, too late :-S | 20:57 |
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| GAN900 | Usually tracker is the culprit | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuser -k kill processes accessing the named file (not on messybox shit) | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I'm missing psmisc-gnu | 21:12 |
| jacekowski | i've seen domebody mentioned me | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | busybox-symlinks-psmisc cell-modem-ui | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | psmisc | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O D-: | 21:15 |
| chx | cell-modem-ui does not sound good | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I wonder how the heck installing psmisc can cause cellmodem-ui do vanish | 21:17 |
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| ShadowJK | apt-cache show on both psmisc and cell-modem-ui? | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | It's probably because one is installing debian package in maemo :P | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | just doing that | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't help other than giving me headache | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache show cell-modem-ui is unbearable | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | *I HATE MESSYBOX* | 21:22 |
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| ShadowJK | I can't even see a psmisc | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I can't figure how to use messybox fuser for *anything* | 21:32 |
| renato | hi guys I have already uploaded the pyside package twice to the fremantle builder, I have received the e-mail with the OK log, but the package did not appear on repository | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy psmisc | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Version table: | 21:34 |
| ShadowJK | cell-modem-ui depends on busybox-symlinks-psmisc, so whoever packaged psmisc fucked up if he didn't put it elsewhere to avoid conflicts, or tested it functional with the system so that you could have had a Replaces | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22.6-1 0 | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 20:12:39] <DocScrutinizer> actually I'm missing psmisc-gnu | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | renato: are you maintainer of pyside pkg? | 21:37 |
| kwtm | quick question: it says PR 1337 version 7 has "Landscape orientation lock". Does this include "Portrait orientation lock"? If not, does a subsequent version have it? (I am at v6.5, trying not to upgrade too quickly, in order to avoid usability bugs) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my 7 doesn't have portait lock | 21:41 |
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| Jaffa | kwtm: THere is no portrait orientation lock yet, no. | 21:41 |
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| Jaffa | kwtm: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog is accurate and up-to-date | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | just this friggin useless icon in status bar when landscape lock is set | 21:41 |
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| kwtm | Ok, thanks. Wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand. | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd actually love to keep things with portrait like they were in maemo stock | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I know I'm not exactly mainstream with this notion | 21:43 |
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| kwtm | Wait, so "this friggin useless icon in status bar when landscape lock is set" means that when I rotate from portrait to landscape, it will rotate (since it's unlocked) into landscape mode, whereupon it locks since it is now landscape-locked? That would actually be useful to me. | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry you lost me | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good idea indeed | 21:45 |
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| kwtm | Jaffa: WHen you say that wiki "is accurate and up-to-date", it still doesn't necessarily tell the whole story, including about bugs. I notice, in version 8, a note that "Fixed bug #11831: Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover ", so now I'm leery of version 9 coming out with "Fixed bug: N900 no longer explodes when you double-tap." Right now v6.5 seems fairly usable except for this ridiculous tendency to rotate when | 21:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11831 Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover | 21:48 |
| kwtm | the device is still 20 degrees from the horizontal | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | kwtm: You should look at the bug reports: "breaks apt autoremover" has been in there since the first version | 21:48 |
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| kwtm | Jaffa: Ok, so now I need to look at bug reports. How long to go through 11831 of them, since there are apparently that many? | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | kwtm: If you're not willing to test, don't test. Wait for the stable version - and, indeed, start a conversation on maemo-developers about how and/when that could be | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | kwtm: Those are all the Maemo bugs. You're extrapolating from a line in a changelog that a bug in the CSSU is fixed, and assume it was introduced in the previous version. That's almost certainly not true in the majority of cases. | 21:50 |
| kwtm | Jaffa: I have already asked maemo developers about that. In the meanwhile, I wanted to see if the landscape lock included portrait lock. | 21:50 |
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| Jaffa | kwtm: And if it did, it'd say "landscape/portrait orientation lock" or just "orientation lock" | 21:51 |
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| Jaffa | kwtm: "asked maemo developers about that"? | 21:51 |
| kwtm | Jaffa: You are right that it would mention "portrait lock", but I wanted to see if the portrait lock had already been introduced in an earlier version, or otherwise was somehow subsumed into that. | 21:51 |
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| kwtm | Jaffa: Meanwhile, what I meant about the Changelog is that there may be changes not listed in the log. | 21:52 |
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| kwtm | Jaffa: I continue to be wary about the text highlighting bug that DocScrutinizer mentioned, for which he (and now I) has been avoiding going beyond v7. | 21:53 |
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| Jaffa | kwtm: Well, it doesn't look like the Qt upgrade is going to be reverted so it's a question of drumming up Qt developers to investigate & fix. | 21:54 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I see that v7, which you have, is listed as having "Improved press effect " whereas in the next version, it says "Reverted improved zoom on press effect. " Is the "press effect" the same as "zoom on press effect"? If yes, then what is this "press effect" which the developers decided to revert in the next version? | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea, seems you had to enable it in transitions.ini or sth, which is fine for me | 21:56 |
| kwtm | Jaffa: Ok. I will hold off on anything beyond v7 then, till a fix is in. | 21:56 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. That's good news. Up to v7 I go, then. | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | kwtm: Kinda breaks the covenant of being able to test the damned thing and get it stabilised, but <shrug/> | 21:57 |
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| kwtm | Jaffa: Well, I do believe that further testing of versions that are not the newest is also of value, partly because not all features are updated in the next version, and partly because I seem to have a knack for digging up bugs in the darndest places. | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in my notion cssu is already halfway down the "introduce new bleeding edge feature, fix one bug, introduce 4 new ones - nobody cares about a testing not to mention stable branche due to missing manpower" road of no return | 22:03 |
| kwtm | In an unrelated question, how would I tell HAM to check for updates every 30 years instead of the default which is too frequent for my taste (and connection and battery)? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | see cistomizing-maemo wiki | 22:04 |
| kwtm | will search. thx | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | Somebody should really downgrade Modest in the CSSU: it crashes way too often | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (road of no return) that's the path that SHR is following since like 2 years now, and it started quite like cssu does right now | 22:07 |
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| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: thanks, got the auto updates frequency tweak. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 22:08 |
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| Sazpaimon | Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to talk.maemo.org | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | oh bou | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | *boy | 22:08 |
| kwtm | SHR, DocScrutinizer? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the most popular OM FR distro | 22:09 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Useful info! Thanks. | 22:09 |
| kwtm | Okay, I'm off. Bye all! | 22:10 |
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| compengi | what's the sudo password on maemo? | 22:11 |
| Guest24091 | So I installed a crud load of software on my n900 about a month ago. Bad idea, it crashed and went into a reboot loop. Since then I've reflashed 5 times. Every time I reflash it works until I reboot and then it goes back into a reboot loop. Any ideas what would cause this? | 22:11 |
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| Sicelo_ | multiboot, perhaps Guest24091 ? | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Guest: Have you installed any dual loaders, nitroid, meego, etc? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | flash emmc? | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, don't install nitdroid/multibot | 22:14 |
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| Guest24091 | At one point I think I installed nitroid, but that was many flashes ago (both eMMC and FIASCO) | 22:14 |
| Guest24091 | If that's the problem is there something else I have to do to get rid of it? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reflash, then on restoring your "data" from backup-app make sure you don't install nitdroid/multiboot again | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a comfortable per-app selection option in backup-restore | 22:16 |
| Guest24091 | I actually haven't been restoring anything from the backup app. Just using exchange to sync all of my google contacts, installing fcamera and a few widgets. | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you should try to reboot before you do that | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and see if that works | 22:17 |
| Guest24091 | This time it crashed in the middle of installing apps via fast app manager and then went into a reboot loop. | 22:18 |
| renato_filho | DocScrutinizer, yes I'm the maintainer of PySide pkg | 22:18 |
| Guest24091 | Ok | 22:18 |
| Guest24091 | Worth a try. | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you as wel might do wrong by flashing eMMC after fiasco/rootfs, and so destroying /opt | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it wouldn't boot out of flashing mode after you do that | 22:19 |
| Guest73711 | No, I'm definitely flashing the eMMC first. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so check if you can boot a 'virgin' system several times | 22:20 |
| Guest73711 | (I can follow directions once I've been bitten by not following them) | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | then come back and report | 22:20 |
| Guest73711 | Ok, just rewiped and am doing that. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of your widgets may make hildon reboot | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had that once | 22:21 |
| Guest73711 | (App search and Touch search?) | 22:21 |
| compengi | what's the sudo password on maemo? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nome | 22:22 |
| compengi | i want to issue apt-get | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | none | 22:22 |
| compengi | oh | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | #~> root | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: And what's your proposal to fix that situation, then? :-p | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: hard to give good advice. By al means care about a testing branch that's focused on usability/stability rather than bleeding edge | 22:23 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, i want to issue apt-get update, what should i do? | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compengi: type `root>ENTER>whatever-apt-get-you-like....' | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | root | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the magic word | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sudo | 22:24 |
| compengi | it says not found | 22:24 |
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| Guest73711 | Wait, seriously? No need to install gainroot or rootsh? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | root is kinda short for "sudo gainroot" | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compengi: install rootsh pkg | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | try sudo gainroot first | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it says "enable R&D to brick your ..." then you need to install rootsh pkg | 22:26 |
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| compengi | yeah | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I don't disagree, but it's a question of trying to steer people towards the goal of releasing something stable. | 22:26 |
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| renato_filho | DocScrutinizer, Who I can ask for more info about these packages? Only the i386 package was uploaded to repository | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to have milestones and developers assigned to the task | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need feature freeze dates | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you even might need to freeze -devel work until -testing is done | 22:27 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, my package manager is hallucinating, it says there are no protocols configured and it happened when i stopped updating portage process | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, no idea | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: disable all catalogs except extras (and the Nokia catalogs of course) | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, ping | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: for now probably 7 is a good base for a testing or even stable release to easy users' access to cssu | 22:30 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: No-one's volunteered to organise and pitch that though, AFAICT. | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the problem that will kill cssu if not tackled NOW | 22:31 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: If no-one's got the itch enough to scratch, maybe it'll stay niche then because the community is really too small to sustain any such project. | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu will become the playground of the devels rather than a valid option for all users | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, exactly that'll going to happen | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it did on SHR | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | SHR? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are so many users not even aware of IRC or CSSU and just disappointed about bugs in maemo5proper | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 21:08:51] <DocScrutinizer> http://shr-project.org | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 21:09:12] <DocScrutinizer> the most popular OM FR distro | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer |  | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU is targeted to give hope to those users, instant relieve | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | they don't care about FOSS replacement for cam or mediaplayer, first instance | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I've been trying to get the people who can help polish it to help, but little repsonse | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | what they care about is broken enter key in shell, CPU rape on catorize | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Both of which are fixed, of course | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, in CSSU they are of course | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but nobody of those 'noobs' will go for an unstable cssu that gives them more new problems than it fixes | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and FUD is another big factor here | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | they won't even go for ANY cssu as long as it's labled '-devel' | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | the only two critical bugs that need to be resolved ASAP are the QTBUG 18720 and the modest crashes | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lot of N900 users NEED a working phone | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fine, them make a roadmap: fix those two bugs, feature freeze, test, move to stable | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not like I'm not trying to get it fixed | 22:42 |
| Venemo | hey again guys | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the feature freeze is the key bit | 22:42 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer ++ ++ ++ | 22:43 |
| trx | is TMO down? | 22:43 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, can I make phone calls with SHR? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | feature freeze NOW, make a milestone for stable-rc0, fix the known bugs, test, publish | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: on some devices yes | 22:44 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, N900? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet, but we're close | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | took like 5 months to get shit sorted, but last 2 weeks there's been great progress | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I fully agree, but the fact is, Qt bugs seem to be assigned to /dev/null | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then go for 7 | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | declare that version your feature freeze | 22:45 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, btw, is SHR an abbreviation? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | review, fix things that need to be fixed, then test and publish that one | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stable Hybrid Release | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 22:46 |
| nox- | hah | 22:46 |
| Venemo | "Hybrid release"? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hybrid like meego | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | union of old OM2008 and FSO | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 22:47 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:47 |
| Venemo | ~iirc | 22:47 |
| infobot | well, iirc is "if I recall correctly" | 22:47 |
| Sicelo_ | ~fud | 22:47 |
| infobot | fud is probably Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: yeah, tmo down or dog slow | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | down for me too | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, RL is calling | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | go CSSU crew, goooo, GOOOOOOO!! :-D | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad:Please, do something about Modest | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: If it is impossible to fix, downgrade it: right now it coredumps on many emails | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | declare rev7 the base for stable feature freeze. Modest been ok in 7 afaik | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, thoughts? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if it reliably coredumps - do the bisect thing | 22:51 |
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| * Sc0rpius readsa | 23:01 | |
| * Sc0rpius reads | 23:01 | |
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| cityLights | guys, | 23:02 |
| cityLights | I need help | 23:02 |
| cityLights | I wrote this program | 23:02 |
| cityLights | and somehow it loops | 23:02 |
| Sc0rpius | and what RST38h needs exactly in Modest? | 23:02 |
| cityLights | and I just cant find why | 23:02 |
| cityLights | http://dpaste.com/539788/ | 23:02 |
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| cityLights | I got no clue as to why timer_callback is called every time | 23:03 |
| Sc0rpius | RST 38H as in the 8080 instruction? hehe | 23:03 |
| cityLights | I tried adding debug messeges | 23:03 |
| cityLights | but just dont understand it | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: are you sure yu give correct value for timeout to qtimerfoo? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might as well be millisec, even microsec | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | check that | 23:04 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: I want it not to crash when viewing seemingly random emails | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | since exactly when that is happening to you? since CSSU, or since a specific version of CSSU? | 23:05 |
| cityLights | yes | 23:05 |
| cityLights | you can also see this in the plot near the bottum | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: Since a few last iterations of CSSU | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: Ok, since CSSU started including Modest :) | 23:06 |
| Sc0rpius | CSSU has always included Modest | 23:06 |
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| Sc0rpius | since the very first one | 23:06 |
| Sc0rpius | but I noticed a few crashes since 14.2 | 23:06 |
| Sc0rpius | and the other day I was thinking it was very weird since the last commit I made to Modest it was working fine and severely tested | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: prepare a conveniently installable version7, declare that -test | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOW | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: I do suspect the crashes were in whatever version got imported into CSSU | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no fixing, nuttin | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | Sc0rpius: So it is unlikely to be your personal changes but the damn thing still crashes, which is hardly tolerable =( | 23:08 |
| Sc0rpius | a downgrade from 3.90 to 3.4 (stock Maemo) will not be considered | 23:08 |
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| paulyn900 | hi | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: please test on 1337-7-rc0 soon to come | 23:09 |
| Sc0rpius | well gitorious isn't helping me right now to see what was the last changes in Modest and who made them | 23:09 |
| paulyn900 | i have n900 and. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1337-7-testing-rc0 even | 23:09 |
| Sc0rpius | RST38h: it crashes viewing mails? | 23:09 |
| RST38h | Yes | 23:09 |
| paulyn900 | want to restore it to default factory but my usb is broken? any ideas? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | paulyn900: you're pretty much fsckd | 23:10 |
| Sc0rpius | RST38h: are you using tree view mode or normal list mode? | 23:10 |
| paulyn900 | i cant reflash | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 with broken USB is a semi-brick, a zombie | 23:11 |
| paulyn900 | lol | 23:11 |
| paulyn900 | i know | 23:12 |
| RST38h | normal | 23:12 |
| paulyn900 | u think someone would buy it in its condition? | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | BUg 11961? | 23:12 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11961 Random email application (modest) crashes with CSSU | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | There are stack traces and stuff on there, and a comment which may link it to a widget or something | 23:13 |
| RST38h | yeaaaa | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | paulyn900: under battery is a single pair of 2 gold dots, these are USB D+/- | 23:13 |
| paulyn900 | i think im goona move away from maemo / nokia | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | Although I've got the widget enabled and don't have any Modest crashes at all | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: ^^^ | 23:13 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 23:13 |
| paulyn900 | ahhh really | 23:13 |
| paulyn900 | i have a spare usb cable | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | paulyn900: Where in the world ar eyou? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when those 2 dots are upper left, counting down the rows, vbus 5V is on 2nd row down, leftmost dot | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | paulyn900: Also - it's possible that there is debris in the connector - look carefully nder a strong light | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnd is everywhere ;-D | 23:15 |
| RST38h | OMG they have found a videotape of Osama watching TV feature about himself! | 23:15 |
| paulyn900 | baltimore, md usa | 23:15 |
| RST38h | How cute! | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | paulyn900: Ah - EU has 2 year warranties - guess that doersn't help. | 23:15 |
| paulyn900 | no worries | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wait til you see the awesome rest | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | RU has walk-in electronics repair shops - guess that doesn't help either | 23:16 |
| paulyn900 | lol im using a t mobile my touch 3g slide i found at the mall | 23:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: Will there be Osama porn?!?!? | 23:16 |
| paulyn900 | feel bad for whoever lost it | 23:17 |
| RST38h | paul: Have you tried returning it to whoever lost it? | 23:17 |
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| paulyn900 | yes | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yeah, coloring his beard, pondering if he looks alright for taking a video | 23:18 |
| paulyn900 | no awnser | 23:18 |
| paulyn900 | so its mines now | 23:18 |
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| paulyn900 | Android is quite nice for end user but i cant figure out how to close a program quite odd | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Doc:Playing with his golden AK-54! | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I found pointers to the QTBUG | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | remember that it also made the fcamera manual focus circle disappear? | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | I dug around fcamera's sources | 23:19 |
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| * Sc0rpius is trying to reproduce the bug scrolling fast or viewing mails or anything that ppl have reported to cause the crash | 23:20 | |
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| paulyn900 | anyone want to buy n900 with broken usb? in usa | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: it is not from scrolling, for sure | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: For me, it consistently crashes when OPENING certain emails | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | may be a friggin detaol in mails | 23:21 |
| Sc0rpius | RST38h, do you use MfE?= | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | No | 23:21 |
| RST38h | God, no | 23:21 |
| Sc0rpius | just IMAP accounts? | 23:21 |
| RST38h | A GMail account and a POP3 account | 23:21 |
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| Sc0rpius | does it crash viewing a gmail mail? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Good question...I *think* I only saw it crash with POP3 emails | 23:22 |
| RST38h | May be wrong though: not receiving a lot of GMail stuff | 23:22 |
| paulyn900 | i think maemo shoud have used webkit browser its so quick | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: shame on you. You should know how to open tickets | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and provide proper info | 23:22 |
| Sicelo_ | paulyn900: i would be wary of putting my sim card in an unknown phone.. if owner reports it as lost..you could find yourself answering stupid questions :/ | 23:22 |
| paulyn900 | midori port is alright | 23:23 |
| Sc0rpius | do you autodownload images in your emails or you press the image button to download them after viewing emails? also, does it crash in texts emails or heavy HTML with images mails' | 23:23 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 23:23 |
| paulyn900 | its okay ill just say i bought it from someone | 23:23 |
| Sicelo_ | too bad i'm in southern africa.. i'd certainly buy your n900 | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Looks like the ticket is already open | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | Doc:And I am not yet pissed off enough to open a ticket and insist on maintainers' attention to it | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you are the one who can dissect the issue and track it down | 23:24 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway I would be the one with the ticket :P | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Doc: Lack any time =( | 23:25 |
| Sc0rpius | but wow I haven't creashed the Modest and I'm vieweing and scrolling mails like crazy | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | send the offending mail to somebody else who's interested | 23:25 |
| RST38h | Doc: I mean, literally. Don't have enough time to sleep even. | 23:25 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe it's kinda of private but do you have an email that always crashes? | 23:25 |
| derf | RST38h: As long as you have time to IRC. | 23:26 |
| RST38h | Sc0rpius: I think I had. Once I catch another one, I will keep it there and contact you. | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like a plan | 23:26 |
| RST38h | derf: Yea, but this is happening in parallel with some development | 23:26 |
| paulyn900 | n900 needs like an external portable power source for it to last one day | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: don't mess with modest bugfixing, make a 1337-7-testing release - NOW | 23:27 |
| paulyn900 | and i canf even charge it my external charger take 3hours to fully charge | 23:28 |
| Sc0rpius | I wish I could reproduce the crash :( | 23:28 |
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| t_s_o | how much free space is recommended to ensure diablo-turbo installs cleanly? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | those were the times :-) | 23:29 |
| * Sicelo_ understands DocScrutinizer's point | 23:29 | |
| paulyn900 | i love maemo just frustrated with my broken device bbl | 23:29 |
| Sicelo_ | how much u selling it for? | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | paulyn900: get "your" hw fixed | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, modest isn't "assigned" to me | 23:30 |
| paulyn900 | i know | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | and downgrading Qt means downgrading hildon-desktop | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, all doesn't matter | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | even good, so you don't have to bother with it | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | get 1337-7 and move it to a testing branch | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | prepare a way for normal mortals to install it, and publish the news cssu got a testing now | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after one or two weeks, decide whether to call it stable now | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG | ... | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG | you do realize that up to maemo7, nothing new was there? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu7? | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG | without fixing the Qt bug in one way or another, I won't push a stable release | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah I realize, and that's exactly why this version is OK for a first testing that is exclusively targeted at fixing maemo bugs | 23:34 |
| paulyn900 | sicelo_ 250 usd | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | also, I'd appreciate it if extras-devel got new versions of Qt Mobility, the current ones suck | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, which Qt bug - in 1337-7??? | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | mameo7 doesn't have any new features | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never heard of mameo7 | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | Features frozen on current release | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm talking about 2010.36-2maemo13 | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka 1337-7 | 23:37 |
| Sc0rpius | wow I can't crash this | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, I only encountered a modest crash once | 23:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | it crashed on me yesterday actually | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | this version has actually been tested at very least by me for several weeks, maybe months, and it kinda works. No use in moving bleeding edge to testing after fixing most annoying recently known bugs, there'll be no better version to backport bugfixes from | 23:40 |
| Sc0rpius | just once too | 23:40 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm downloading the core dumps somebody posted in the bug | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole point of a testing version *is* it's *not* bleeding edge | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I say let's use 2010.36-2maemo13 | 23:41 |
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| Sc0rpius | what you don't like about cssu 14? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the bugs that MohammadAG thinks he has to fix before he can release that one for a testing version | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple as that | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-07 22:40:33] <DocScrutinizer> this version has actually been tested at very least by me for several weeks, maybe months, and it kinda works. No use in moving bleeding edge to testing after fixing most annoying recently known bugs, there'll be no better version to backport bugfixes from | 23:43 |
| * Jaffa also thinks that the new Qt version could perhaps use more in-depth testing, and having the first CSSU release out would alleviate the pressure on that | 23:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, it's a testing(!!!) release | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | means we're rather sure we fixed all the bugs we knew, but we expect some more to appear | 23:44 |
| * Sc0rpius just wants to crash Modest | 23:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/unique-bluetooth-handset-pink-6-hour-talk-160-hour-standby-24476 | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill -SIGSEGV $(pidof modest) | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so pretty please go for 1337-7 for first testing release, and do it *now* | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fixing bugs in <bleeding edge> isn't like preparing a testing release, it's the contrary | 23:48 |
| kerio | i think bleeding edge is a pretty cool guy | 23:50 |
| kerio | eh introduces new features and bugs and doesn't afraid of anything | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I see what you were talking about | 23:52 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I've looked at the SHR video | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's quite some months old | 23:56 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, seems that the GUI was designed by two persons - one who knows about usability and one who doesn't. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the N900 one | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be right | 23:56 |
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| Venemo | why do you make your own UX anyway? you could use an existing one | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think much of that stuff based on raster's illume | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | enlightenment, whatever | 23:58 |
| Venemo | well I don't really care what it's based on. and it really doesn't matter | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but, as always, there are some gifted devels, and some not so gifted, and if your team is short on manpower, you're happy about every helping hand | 23:59 |
| Venemo | what really matters is how good it looks ans how comfortable it is to use. | 23:59 |
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