IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-05-06

KukaI am afraid of some unstability issues atm, cos have finals incoming and can't spend a day for reflash.. Should I wait some more?00:02
DocScrutinizerv47 has some additional features, but afaik no improved old functions00:03
DocScrutinizerimprovements are only in cssu00:03
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lolcatI got an HTC Desire to use while they determine wheater or not my phone does not work00:04
DocScrutinizeryou should do a proper backup, so you can restore - just in case. For me cssu worked rather nice for like some months now00:04
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DocScrutinizerKuka: there's #maemo-ssu where you find more specific answers00:05
KukaI am not into some injection job for these days, I didn't even try without lxp's drivers for WEP. So injection thing is not a "must have to" for me, at least for now. What does it bring new..?00:05
Kukaok, will ask CSSU questions there :)00:05
DocScrutinizerKuka: I hope PKv47 fixed a flaw of missing drivers for CD / DVD00:06
KukaCD? for host mode?00:06
Kukanah. I don't need that too.00:07
mceplit's weird ... now I switched back to the production mode, cleared rd flags, but now it doesn't want to boot at all00:07
DocScrutinizerwell, seeya folks00:08
KukaIf it doesn't contain anything I need then updating is now critical. v46 pretty stable for me atm.00:08
Kukathanks for answers, see you :)00:08
Kuka*updating is not critical.00:09
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mcepldamned ... it booted with switched off background light ... it is completely unreadable00:19
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DocScrutinizermcepl: keep in mind you need a properly charged battery for flashing. And probably none of your actions since a few hours charged the battery00:29
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mceplDocScrutinizer: given them when I connect phone to the power, it starts its crazy rebooting, not sure how to charge it00:31
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DocScrutinizerthat's what I meant00:32
KukaSeems you need a 5800 :S00:32
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mceplhopefully when it stays connected to the USB it can charge that way00:32
mceplOK, enough of fiddling, I think it is time to reflash ... sorry00:33
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DocScrutinizermcepl: no it won't charge unless it actually shows amber flashing LED, when you connect it to charger without powering up00:34
mceplI had pretty much fully charged before this craziness, so hopefully we'll survive ...00:36
mceplanyway, here we go ...00:36
Kukawish u luck00:38
mceplI think we have amber and booting ... let's see00:38
mceplno, amber is gone and now it's booting ... for a loooooooong time00:39
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mceplwe have a Nokia sound!00:41
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SpeedEvilmcepl: And Mr Hands?00:41
mceplyes, confirming language settings00:41
mceplawesome, I didn't even loose /home!00:42
nox-what image did you flash, cssu?00:42
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Kukacool :)00:44
mceplno, PR1.300:44
mceplis there a flashable image of CSSU somewhere?00:45
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nox-actually im not sure, maybe not...00:46
nox-Get 20.1010.36-2 image ->
nox-that's just 1.3 right?00:47
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mceplI think so00:48
mceplUpgrade from PR 1.3 global00:48
mceplis the table of the table00:48
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DocScrutinizerthere's no fiasco for cssu00:49
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DocScrutinizerwe couldn't even legally provide that00:49
nox-i c00:50
Kukais there any way to text in portrait mode except fastsms? Fastsms' "sender part" kills me actually.00:50
Kukait can be *even* symbianlike!00:51
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GNUtoo|laptopbut in another hand we could replace fiasco....with barebox(uboot v2)00:59
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GNUtoo|laptopaltough If I understand well xloader can't be replaced yet01:00
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SpeedEvilRandom - has anyone actually used a mirror LCD screen protector?01:33
SpeedEvilDo they suck as badly as I'm imagining?01:33
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil: rear-projection or front?01:33
SpeedEvilProtector, not projector.01:35
GeneralAntillesYes, that.01:36
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GeneralAntillesDunno, like the BoxWave anti-glare protector.01:36
SpeedEvilI was looking on ebay for actual solar  mirror film.01:37
SpeedEvil3m has some nice stuff that has >95% reflectance after a decade outside.01:37
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lolcatWhat do I need to do to get a maemo contributor cloak?01:47
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chxSacrifice a black rooster at full moon?01:50
chxlolcat: did you read this01:51
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lolcatchx: I want a maemo/opensrouceadvocate please01:52
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chxwhy ask me?01:52
chxi am noone , here01:53
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chxbut that page says above 500 karma01:53
chxdo you have 500 karma?01:53
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MohammadAGmaemo/opensrouceadvocate there's no such cloak anyways01:54
lolcatCloaks for Nokia employees and contractors should be as flexible as possible. For example, some valid cloak options might include:01:55
lolcat* Maemo/opensourceadvocate01:55
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lolcatI would say I am a Nokia contractor01:56
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lolcatMohammadAG: So is it OK?01:56
MohammadAGYou're not a Nokia contractor01:58
lolcatwhat do you know about that?01:58
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penguinbaitMaemo/community/detractor  ?01:58
lolcatMohammadAG: Do you have a full list of people that are contractors for Nokia and their irc handles?02:00
MohammadAGno, but usually Nokia contractors/employees have nat/nokia/* as their hostname02:00
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MohammadAGanyway, I don't handle cloaks02:01
MohammadAGand I've never seen that cloak for anyone02:01
lolcatI am not at work rigth now02:01
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lolcatAnd idependent contractors don't have those hostnames02:01
SpeedEvilEveryone from nokia hangs out in #wp7 nowadays.02:02
SpeedEvil(I doubt that exists)02:02
lolcatLooks like webOS is OK02:03
lolcatJust have to get aptitude to run on it02:03
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GAN900lolcat, we don't have trouble filtering out trolls. :)02:25
lolcatGAN900: from what?02:26
GAN900The cloak application process in particular, though.02:26
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SpeedEvil Damn, that's what we need.02:26
SpeedEvilmaemo/troll cloaks.02:27
Proteousif they ask you if you live under a bridge make sure you say no02:27
Proteousit's a trick question02:27
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GAN900SpeedEvil, yeah, but the cloakee has to agree to receive the cloak. :(02:28
DocScrutinizerthat's the point02:28
DocScrutinizerwhile others are even fine with appropriate nicks02:28
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: btw I dunno if you can drop a cloak attached to your account02:32
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GAN900You can with the help of a staffer.02:33
GAN900But not on your own as of yet.02:33
DocScrutinizerso some maemo/troll cloaks actually would be funny02:34
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SpeedEvilI suspect doing that would get the cloak giver defrocked.02:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you ever disassembled a BL-5J?02:45
SpeedEvilBoth mine work OK02:46
DocScrutinizermy 3 as well02:46
DocScrutinizerand I'd like to know how much and where I could mill off to make space for some additional electronic components02:47
DocScrutinizerwithout that changing02:47
DocScrutinizerusually the round sides are completely plastic - that should suffice for the *5300' component zoo02:49
DocScrutinizerthe top next to the contacts seems to hold even more unused space02:51
DocScrutinizerlooks likw 3*5*10mm^302:51
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SpeedEvilMy other idea was rather simpler.02:52
DocScrutinizermayb even 1502:52
DocScrutinizerwhich one?02:52
SpeedEvilMicrob plugs - the assemblable ones - don't stick out that far when not properly assembled.02:52
DocScrutinizeraaah USB plugs02:53
SpeedEvilSo a plug that plugs into the USB port is plausible02:53
SpeedEviloh - yes02:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, but clumsy02:54
DocScrutinizerI want a real charger cradle02:54
SpeedEvilI mean to provide one02:54
DocScrutinizerdrop-in type02:54
DocScrutinizerwith 2 pogopins02:55
DocScrutinizer2 holes in back cover02:55
DocScrutinizertwo copper pads sticked to the battery02:55
DocScrutinizera Zener, a capacitor, a choke02:56
DocScrutinizerflat connector to other side of battery, to some flimsy contact springs02:56
SpeedEvilI was imagining something similar - but directly connected to USB port02:56
DocScrutinizerwell, usb port is a pita no matter from witch angle you look at it02:57
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DocScrutinizeryou can't 'auto'-mate it as it doesn't center02:58
nox-wasnt the idea behind the usb charging that you'd no longer need a gazillion different chargers, all different?02:58
DocScrutinizeryou can't reach the solder pins02:58
SpeedEvilnox-: yes02:59
SpeedEvilnox-: And that's great.02:59
SpeedEvilnox-: The problem is it makes docking connectors harder.02:59
nox-i guess...02:59
SpeedEvilnox-: My 1992? nokia 3310 had a cradle available - slam the phone down on it, and it mates nicely and charges.02:59
DocScrutinizerbut a flimsy USB port that is a pain to plug that friggin gigantic plug in to it, is no nice thing on the long run02:59
SpeedEvilWithout any possibility of damaging the connectors, or needing to be careful02:59
DocScrutinizerand that's what I'm planning for the N90003:00
ds3has anyone made progress with getting a compass onto the N900?03:01
DocScrutinizernah, nobody starte real hw mods on N900 yet - afaik03:01
SpeedEvilds3: It's got plausible now to put one in a SD card.03:01
ds3yes, the SD card route03:02
SpeedEvilds3: As someone - freescale? has released a magnetometer that is just thin enough.03:02
ds3oh blah03:03
ds3what about a bluetooth compass? anyone make one?03:03
SpeedEvilDount it03:04
ds3does Maemo have a sensor API if a BT compass is made?03:07
SpeedEvilI doubt it.03:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you noticed my finding about J2000:6 ?03:13
ds3hmmm no one has that compass in stock03:14
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: btw you also got D+/- on that pair of TPs03:14
DocScrutinizerthe single pair03:15
DocScrutinizercomes in handy with hostmode03:16
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DocScrutinizerget a mugen back cover03:17
SpeedEvilds3: It's not quite released yetr.03:17
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: J2000 is where?03:17
DocScrutinizersee schematics03:17
ds3who else makes a cheap single chip compass that is available?03:17
SpeedEvilds3: They are all a bit thicker, and won't possibly fit in a microSD03:18
ds3SpeedEvil: I just want something to rig up with bluetooth03:18
SpeedEvilMany people.03:18
SpeedEvilhoneywell, analog I think, itg03:19
DocScrutinizernokia has a funny numbering for those 2-rows tp arrays03:19
ds3one that isn't $100 a pop03:19
ds3I have seen the honeywell stuff and it is $$$$$$$$$$$03:19
ds3heh, a $300 compass module (digikey)03:23
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DocScrutinizerduh, seems I'm on another ignore list...03:29
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: is that a 3-axis?03:30
DocScrutinizerthin 3-axis is hard to build03:30
SpeedEvilPrice is crashing.03:30
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DocScrutinizermaybe you can revamp some GMR heads form a HDD? ;-D03:31
T_Xjust read about this MADDE and also saw that there is this gitorious project. is this SDK completely open source?03:33
T_Xand which is the right channel to ask questions about it :)?03:33
SpeedEvil2 dollars in ones.03:34
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dangergrrldid i tell you today i LOVE my n900?05:47
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fusi[n900]i was just thinking exactly the same thing ^^05:56
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GeneralAntillesGOP debate candidates endorsing drug legalization and military non-interventionism on a national debate. These are exciting times.06:17
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Venemo_N900it would be very important for me to open a pdf now09:24
Venemo_N900but the built-in pdf viewer will say "not enough memory to open document" for all pdfs09:24
Venemo_N900could anyone help?09:25
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Venemo_N900tried with evince, but that opens them crappily09:25
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pupnik_i got an out of pizza error11:24
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merlin1991pupnik_: as long it's no entirely out of food error11:30
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pupnik_my wall-of-ramen is till there11:33
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pupnik_been out of cheese since march11:33
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* phryk has cheese but his box-o-ramen is empty…11:40
pupnik_i bought 13 different varieties and found an awesome one11:41
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pupnik_vifon - Mi Lau Thai (huong vi tom)11:42
pupnik_really good, with lemon grass, tapioca, roasted onions11:42
merlin1991actually I got a still no breakfast error :D11:43
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merlin1991gotta fix that asap11:43
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Cor-Ailunch time :D11:44
merlin1991Cor-Ai: that's going to be soon too :D11:52
merlin1991I was only a lil late for breakfast :P11:53
Cor-Ailunch, breakfast, same shit different name! :p11:53
merlin1991I guess that depends on where you life .)11:54
merlin1991in my case it's 2 completely different things :D11:55
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Cor-Aibreakfast at 05, lunch 10 dinner 17 :D11:56
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merlin1991breakfast anywhere between 08 and 13, lunch somewhere 13 to 1511:57
merlin1991and dinner 20+11:57
Cor-Ailol! you youngsters! no rutin! :p11:57
Cor-Aiohh a little frenchboy :D11:59
merlin1991what where?12:00
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Cor-Aiyou! :D12:01
merlin1991what? :D12:01
Cor-Ainotihng... me stupid...12:02
merlin1991as long as you're ready to admit it ;)12:02
Cor-Aihaha why wouldn't I? :D12:03
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merlin1991X-Fade: ping12:03
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meceOMG! qml map api with qt mobility 1.2! It's it's it's awesome!12:50
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ruskie <-- hmm12:53
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Venemo_N900morning :)13:01
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lardmananyone here reading the -community list?13:02
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Venemo_N900lardman: I don't, why do you ask?13:03
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lardmanJust wondering who Cosimo Kroll is13:03
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lardmanand whether he has links to Nokia in any way, as he was hinting about the new device being released soon, and I was wondering if he knows what he's talking about13:04
Venemo_N900I recall his nick from TMO13:04
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Venemo_N900what did he write? can you post a link to the mailing list archive?13:05
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lardmanyeah let me find a link, I'm subscribed13:05
lardmanthis morning's thread13:05
Venemo_N900thx, I'll look at it13:06
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Jaffalardman: zehjotkah13:06
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Jaffalardman: He's working/sub-contracting for Intel at the moment, I think13:06
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lardmanso he probably doesn't know what he's talking about then?13:07
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Venemo_N900lardman: spreading MeeGo-related "News"/FUD is a popular thing nowadays13:08
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Jaffalardman: He's doing a lot of teasing and leading questions on Twitter about how fantastic the Intel-based products are going to be.13:08
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Venemo_N900I hope their price is going to be fantastic too... :P13:08
lardmanhmm, I had hoped simply that he had dropped a hint that Nokia were going to do something in the near future, but apparently not13:08
SpeedEvillardman: Is there a way to get mbarcode to simply output recognised barcodes to a file - fsynced so it's up-to-date, or output on dbus - I'm trying to avoid writing a plugin.13:09
Venemo_N900who cares about Nokia?13:09
lardmanJaffa: yeah well fantastic and Intel, where batteries are involved, don't currently go hand in hand, so we'll see13:09
Venemo_N900intel'll do better13:09
SpeedEvillardman: I downloaded the 'oak trail' datasheet. It looks quite interesting low-power wise.13:09
ruskieintel is still trapped in the x86 land...13:09
lardmanthis the 3D thing?13:09
SpeedEvillardman: no.13:10
Venemo_N900lardman: that's what they've been working on for the past x years. they'll get it right.13:10
lardman3D etching13:10
robbiethe1struskie: Well, at least it'll mean being able to play old x86 games natively...13:10
SpeedEvillardman: It's the new 'we can do low-power x86, really' chipset.13:10
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lardmanI'd be quite happy with Intel, as long as the form factor is right and it will last the day13:10
ruskierobbiethe1st, cause that worked so well from 386 -> latest cpus...13:10
SpeedEvillardman: It even has the display directly connected to the CPU!13:10
SpeedEvillardman: Though not anything else much.13:10
robbiethe1struskie: Uh, yes. Thanks to Wine or Dosbox, I can play loads of old games.13:10
SpeedEvilAlso - intel not being able to do mobile is bullshit.13:11
ruskieso basically what you need is an x86 emulator...13:11
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SpeedEvilI have a portable x86 device trhat uses 4 AA cells, and gets 12h  battery life.13:11
SpeedEvil(garmin GPS-12, 386ex)13:11
lardmanb&w lcd screen?13:11
lardmangreyscale even13:12
SpeedEvilI was at one point contemplating porting linux to it, but I got sane.13:12
robbiethe1struskie: Sort of; though our arm processor simply doesn't have enough power to emulate x86 at a decent rate...13:12
SpeedEvil64*64 pixels?13:12
robbiethe1struskie: And, of course, dosbox will do "light" emulation on a true x86 proc, so... that'd be nice.13:12
lardmanin which case the display power draw is very low, so only 12h from the thing isn't so great13:12
SpeedEvillardman: Sure - I wasn't being completely serious. 386ex will struggle running firefox. :)13:13
robbiethe1stlardman: Just need bigger batteries! :D13:13
ruskie12h isn't a good use case for me13:13
lardmanrobbiethe1st: lol13:13
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robbiethe1stI'd be really happy if someone came up with a decent dual-battery model(tablet, probably), so you could hotswap the battery without shutting down or even stopping.13:14
robbiethe1st2 seconds and you've got hours more life.13:14
SpeedEvilrobbiethe1st: You can in principle do that with the n900, with the right software, and plugged into a USB charger. So you'd need 3 batteries.13:15
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ruskieSpeedEvil, I thought the n900 power goes through the battery... irrelevant of the usb port having power...13:16
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meceSpeedEvil, why would you need 3 batteries?13:16
robbiethe1stRuskie: Yes, but the charger /can/ power the cpu in one mode13:16
meceSpeedEvil, ah right, to hold charge while changeing13:16
robbiethe1stYes, but it's that second bit that's the problem; you basically have to "standby" things, as well as having a usb port handy.13:16
SpeedEvilIndeed - hence the 'software' comment13:17
robbiethe1stIf you had a second small battery(something larger than the clock battery), it might be possible - flip the screen off, pull the battery out, and stick a new one in. easy. It'd be even easier if such a device had the backplate being part of the battery like old Nokia dumbphones13:18
robbiethe1stSpeedEvil: Which means(among other things), shutting down a game or w/e that's taking loads of power. Very sub-optimal. Oh well13:18
SpeedEvilIt doesn't actually.13:18
SpeedEvilIt means - sort-of - suspending to RAM13:19
SpeedEvilAnd then coming back again13:19
SpeedEvilIt does mean offlining the modem.13:19
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robbiethe1stYou get what I mean, though, right?13:20
SpeedEvilWell - it's not really sub-optimal.13:21
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robbiethe1stSeriously? Having to have a usb port or charger handy isn't sub optimal?13:21
SpeedEvilIf you have the software right - it does rthis when the battery cover is opened - before you can get to the battery - when it's gor power from USB, and then you plug in the other batery13:21
SpeedEvilI mean - yes - other than that13:21
SpeedEvilAlso - I was planning a mini charger13:21
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BCMMwhy is MyDocs read-only on my system?13:24
ruskiefs issue maybe?13:24
ruskiemaybe check dmesg13:24
BCMMah, there is indeed some stuff there13:25
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robbiethe1stUmount it, run fsck, remount it13:25
BCMMany idea? fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 19709960)13:25
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BCMMrobbiethe1st: is ordinary umount / mount using fstab OK?13:26
robbiethe1stUh, sure.13:26
BCMMonly asking because a bunch of "normal" linux stuff behaves oddly13:27
BCMMhuh, two files sharing clusters. how does that happen?13:29
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robbiethe1stNo clue13:34
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SpeedEvilFilesystem corruption.13:35
SpeedEvilFilename record getting written, then FART not updated, so file header points to allocated block, or FAT getting updated, and power removed before FAT is fully updated.13:36
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BCMM_not sure what FART is, but does that basically mean poweroff (or USB disconnection) before proper sync?13:37
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BCMM_well, on the plus side i now know that my application will tell the user nicely if it can't save...13:38
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SpeedEvilBCMM: probably13:40
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BCMMfixed, thanks13:42
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Venemo_N900eh... my N900 is lying to me13:48
Venemo_N900"No recent calls" - an obvious lie13:49
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BCMM_Venemo_N900: date wrong?13:57
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BCMM_what are the criteria for calls to show in the phone app anyway?13:58
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DocScrutinizerFART looks about right14:06
* infobot farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!"14:06
DocScrutinizerinfobot: idiot! Sulfur dioxide???14:07
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dominikbhow can one temporarily disable the possibility to close a QDialog on maemo5?14:18
Venemo_N900dominikb: umm?14:19
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MohammadAGdominikb, override its closeEvent() and ignore the event14:20
dominikbVenemo_N900: i am opening a QDialog which allows to fetch updates. while these updates are running the user shall no be able to close the dialog.14:21
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MohammadAGmind you, that's a bad UI thing, besides the incoming call dialog14:21
MohammadAGdominikb, see
MohammadAGbe sure the dialog is parented, otherwise the user can't do anything to see other windows14:22
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dominikbVenemo_N900, MohammadAG: thanks a lot for your help!14:23
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pupnik_   cool tiny computer14:32
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nid0saw that earlier14:33
nid0would certainly buy a few if they become available14:33
SpeedEvilI emailed them saying what I'd use it for14:34
BCMMpupnik_: that is ADORABLE14:34
pupnik_i have ideas too14:35
BCMMthe specs aren't at all bad either...14:35
pupnik_wonder about the camera module14:35
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ray27monhello everyone14:37
ray27mondoes anyone know when will be the release of NOkia N8 PR 2.014:37
ruskienokia does14:38
ray27monbut when itwill be?14:38
ray27monmy friend, do you know where i can ask for help to look for firmware 2.014:38
ray27monfor nokia14:38
wamwhat'll be special about a new n8? Even worse user interface?14:38
ray27monmy friend, i want to know if nokia's will going to release the firmware 2.014:39
wamray27mon: is that linux based? I thought that'd be symbian14:39
meceQtM1.2 is sweet!14:39
ray27monyes my not linux14:41
pupnik_whoever updated dosbox thanks14:41
ray27monit is sympbian14:41
ruskieray27mon, then why are you in here?14:41
ruskiethis has nothing to do with nokia really14:41
pupnik_maemo does14:41
wamnot anymore ;)14:42
mecesymbian? Symbian?! THIS - IS - MAEMO! *kicks ray27mon down a well*14:42
ray27monoh my14:42
ray27monim sorry guys14:42
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meceray27mon, no problem :) anyway, no idea when "anna" is out.14:42
ray27monahh okies14:42
ray27monthanks for info.14:42
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mecedoh, he left. I was just about to give him some actual info.14:43
meceoh well.14:43
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DocScrutinizer\o/ sybian14:47
DocScrutinizerdrive-by askers, I *love* those14:48
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DocScrutinizerwell, he's been definitely in wrong channel anyway14:48
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* DocScrutinizer wonders what in #channel or /topic makes people join here and ask about N814:49
ccookeDocScrutinizer: "Oh, I have a vague memory that had something to do with Nokia. They *must* know everything about my question!"14:50
DocScrutinizerwell, given the enormous population in #nokia it isn't completely weird a thinking14:51
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MohammadAGdoes #nokia even exist?14:57
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sure15:00
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DocScrutinizeryo Venemo15:03
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lolcatNow I am the only population in Nokia15:04
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DocScrutinizersee? you scared all the other users out of that great channel ;-P15:05
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Venemoyo DocScrutinizer15:10
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, what's up?15:12
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Venemo[13:34] <SpeedEvil> I emailed them saying what I'd use it for -> any what is that then?15:12
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meceMaking mapping apps with pure qml! So sweet!15:20
meceQtMobile 1.215:21
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meceI made a 140 chracter howto :)
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mecemean you can make apps with maps and location based stuff in pure qml15:23
infobotmece meant: means you can make apps with maps and location based stuff in pure qml15:23
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Venemomece, nice15:38
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: just saying hi15:39
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, I did a new puzzle-master release15:41
VenemoDocScrutinizer, just in case you (or your "tester" :P) wanna give it a try15:41
* DocScrutinizer curses Qt. The missing hotkeys to set focus to a treeview selector (like e.g. in Konversation - config_screen left side) and the idiocy you can only toggle checkboxes but not SET or CLEAR them15:42
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, sure you can15:43
DocScrutinizerVenemo: I already updated yesterday, but haven't tested yet15:44
DocScrutinizerVenemo: how?15:44
DocScrutinizermeh, I meant user, not code15:45
Venemodunno about tree views (haven't used them in qt yet)15:45
Venemoaah. well, idunno15:45
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DocScrutinizerhotkeys to be precise15:45
DocScrutinizerno way to automatise things15:45
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DocScrutinizeras you got no defined origin, so you can't guarantee what any sequence of hotkeys will really do15:46
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Venemounless you actually look at the screen15:46
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DocScrutinizerI can jump to a checkbox, I can *toggle* it by spacebar, but I have no way to define a hotkey sequence that definitely SETS a checkmark15:47
DocScrutinizersame for friggin treeviews, like in KDE systemsettings, or Konversation, or whatever15:47
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DocScrutinizeryou can't select the needed "tab"15:48
Venemowell, maybe it would worth a feature request15:48
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DocScrutinizeryeah, definitely15:48
VenemoI think that noone though about this kind of use case.15:48
VenemoI usually use the mouse on GUIs (sometimes spacebar to toggle), so it never occoured to me either15:49
DocScrutinizerNB you actually CAN navigate in a treeview once focus is set, but there's no hotkey to set focus15:49
Venemocan't you tab-select the tree view?15:49
DocScrutinizersure, IF I knew where my focus is right now ;-P15:49
Venemowell then, just use the mouse15:50
DocScrutinizerkhotkeys knows no shit about mouse15:50
DocScrutinizerand even if it did, there's still the toggle checkmark problem15:52
Venemowut's khotkeys?15:52
DocScrutinizerumm, a component of KDE settings?15:52
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DocScrutinizerusecase example: I often need to switch on/off the Konversation "hide join/part/nick events" option. There's definitely no other way than use the mouse and ~6 clicks to do this15:55
Venemowhy do you need to switch it?15:55
Venemoor, why don't you ask Konversation devs to make a shortcut for this?15:56
Venemoit is trivial to make a shortcut in Qt15:56
DocScrutinizerbecuase I usually don't want those rubbish lines spam my IRC15:56
DocScrutinizerI know it's trivial to make a shortcut15:56
DocScrutinizerthe anoying thing is there's no generic way15:56
Venemothere is a class named QShortcut15:57
Venemoanyway, you could head on to #konversation and ask for this - they are pretty friendly fellows there15:57
E0xor use another irc client15:57
DocScrutinizeras this is a) hidden behind a treeview to select a subscreen from settings, and b) there's no set/clear key for checkboxes15:57
DocScrutinizerVenemo: I already did and they even offered to make an interim version just for me15:58
DocScrutinizerbut I think this is a flaw in Qt GUI specs15:58
Venemoso, take their offer15:58
Venemothen open an enhancement request at Qt's bugzilla15:59
DocScrutinizernow we're talking15:59
DocScrutinizerexactly, pester Qt bugzilla15:59
DocScrutinizeronce there has even been a generic scripting language and API to Qt16:00
DocScrutinizeralas discontinued before I noticed the existence16:01
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DocScrutinizerl8r o/16:01
Venemoanyway, I'm gonna take a nap now16:03
BCMMpupnik_: on wow, just saw that mini-computer thing on slashdot. it's fantastically cheap...16:03
Juozapascan u recommend some email client for n900, gmail acc ?16:03
Venemowill be back later :)16:03
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pupnik_Juozapas: i use webmail16:04
pupnik_since 1998 i don't bother with mail clients16:05
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pupnik_that's one of the few obvious things that belongs online imo16:05
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GAN900pupnik_, paul kicked ass during the debate last night.16:11
GAN900Gary Johnson looked good, too.16:11
pupnik_oh i totally missed that16:13
pupnik_but they were both in the debate?  that's great :D16:13
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pupnik_i think it's gonna be hard for repubs to ignore the message as much this time16:14
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GAN900Unfortunately Hannity came on after with a Frank Luntz Patented Stacked Focus Group16:18
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Natanaielis there any way to show the phone number in terminal?16:18
GAN900Totally different takeaway.16:18
GAN900They lurv the statist assholes!16:18
GAN900pupnik_, they had a series of questions bringing up past gaffes for each candidate.16:19
GAN900Paul got to field one on him be against laws against prostitution and drugs.16:20
GAN900He went radical libertarian on it and didn't try to pander to socons like he did in 08.16:20
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GAN900Something along the lines of: "Come on, if heroin were legalized today, how many of you would start using it just because the government says it's legal."16:27
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GAN900When asked the "Oh nooo, drugzzzz!" follow up16:27
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GAN900pupnik_,'s blog has an excellent snarky summary.16:27
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pupnik_latest blogpost 'Two Heads Are Better Than One' sums up my view quite well16:31
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derfDouble the trouble, triple the fun?16:41
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GAN900derf, I hope so.16:49
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RST38hHELO ladies and gentlemen16:50
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RST38hWhy are you discussing such sad libertarian topics, when ayatollas just delivered the latest batch of lulz? =)16:51
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derfI was discussing terrible 80's music.16:53
infobotderf meant: I was discussing awesome 80's music.16:53
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RST38hderf: does not sound all that bad nowadays, when the new benchmarks or "terrible" are available =)17:04
GAN900RST38h, I had about 5 minutes of optimism last night. Don't bring me down. :P17:04
GAN900It's bad when South Park covers of modern music sound better than the originals.17:04
RST38hGAN900: Here, have fun:
GAN900Goddamn wizards17:05
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Natanaielis there any way to show the phone number in terminal?17:56
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lardmanbye chaps17:58
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DocScrutinizerNatanaiel: which phone number? You can show arbitrary phonenumbers in terminal by `echo 00190045634523`18:14
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NatanaielDocScrutinizer: no, I mean the phone number of SIM card that the phone uses!18:31
DocScrutinizernot all SIMs do actually have that afaik18:34
GAN900Jaffa, ping?18:35
lolcatDocScrutinizer: What is you employed as?18:35
DocScrutinizerthere's some AT comand to send to modem via pnatd, to get that number if there's any (might also be up to 4)18:35
DocScrutinizerlolcat: your entertainer?18:35
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: I dont think so. I am just curious18:36
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DocScrutinizerwell, I'm a freelancer looking for a new intriguing task/contract18:45
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: now you're any wiser?18:47
lolcatDocScrutinizer: Yes, yes I am18:48
lolcatHow much would the fee to eliminate to persons be?18:48
DocScrutinizerduh, that's not one of my main professional domains18:49
DocScrutinizerthough some might think I'm looking like that18:49
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lolcatMy neighboer is so annoying18:50
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DocScrutinizerI'm used to apply more subtle methods for such cases18:53
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lolcatI am not sure I follow18:55
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GAN900Drive them insaaaaaneee18:57
DocScrutinizerNatanaiel: -->>18:57
DocScrutinizerbash-3.2$ pnatd18:58
DocScrutinizer+CNUM: ,"+49179609****",14518:58
DocScrutinizer+CNUM: ,"0000000",12918:58
DocScrutinizerand for god's sake somebody tell me how to kill that friggin pnatd18:58
Natanaieltnx DocScrutinizer18:58
SpeedEvilkillall pnatd18:59
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# killall pnatd19:00
DocScrutinizermeh, been aware of THAT19:00
DocScrutinizerthanks anyway19:00
DocScrutinizera ~. works as well19:01
DocScrutinizer(on ssh)19:01
DocScrutinizerfriggin pnatd however seems to be ignorant even about ETX19:02
DocScrutinizererrr EOF19:02
DocScrutinizerprobably they need that property for transparent data19:02
DocScrutinizerbut it's soooooooo annoying19:03
DocScrutinizerAT%POFF ;-P19:03
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: see? GAN900 is more on my wavelength19:05
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lolcatGAN900: How do I become worse than them? I'd have to shit on the floor, and piss in their food19:05
lolcatIf I am worse than them, Id get evicted19:06
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DocScrutinizerorder 10 metric tons of instant concrete at next supply shop. Fill their apartment, by opening a window and tagging it with "fill in here please, throw invoice in letterbox"19:07
pupnik_time seems to go by faster because your brain changes less quickly19:08
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: That won't work in most construction19:08
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: the concrete hydrostatic pressure will blow out the walls19:08
DocScrutinizerthere's a zillion similar "pranks"19:09
JaffaGAN900: pong19:09
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DocScrutinizerwhich I'm not going to discuss here and now19:09
JaffaWas going to suggest:19:09
Jaffaachipa: Would be really good to see some docs about using that with Nokia Qt SDK and/or MeeGo SDK to a) not have too much installed; b) target Symbian, Maemo & MeeGo from one IDE19:10
DocScrutinizerlo Jaffa19:10
JaffaActually, it seems the "Maemo target" in Qt Creator 2.2 can target MeeGo :-)19:10
JaffaAs well as autobuilder tarballs (which I'd read before)19:11
Jaffa'lo DocScrutinizer19:11
RST38hwell. moo.19:11
DocScrutinizer(maemo target can meego) it damn better does. It's the suggested migration path after all19:11
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DocScrutinizerand my suggestion from beginning been to test this particular property of the whole meego SDK/IDE from day one, so we won't lose the maemo folks on meego while the migration path is bitrotting19:13
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DocScrutinizerfrom a maemo POV the sourcecode and building compatibility maemo->meego for at least plain Qt based sourcecode is the most important property of whole meego project. Alas after meego folks convinced enough of maemo folks, that migration path requirement silently banished in oblivion19:17
DocScrutinizermy uneducated 2 cents19:18
RST38hno, notreally :)19:19
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DocScrutinizeryesterday I' ve read somewhere here that meego is 95% moblin and 2% maemo (3% random noise), and so isn't really what maemo community expected meego to be19:22
GAN900Jaffa, looking to organize a dinner Sunday night as a segway into dragooning for mwkn.19:23
MohammadAGI'd love to compile for Symbian from Linux19:24
GAN900(or to get some people together for a nice dinner)19:24
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GAN900Jaffa, slightly related, Will you have a US number?19:25
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ruskie <_- fun...19:27
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JaffaGAN900: No, will probably still use my UK number.19:31
JaffaGAN900: Actually, I'll have my Blackberry with me a lot too so work can pay ;-)19:31
RST38hruskie: predictable19:32
ShadowJKWell, you could argue maemo is 95% debian :-)19:32
RST38hShadowJK: Which is just fine19:32
RST38hNo, Mohammad, you will still have to have your WinXP for Symbian compilation =)19:33
JaffaOr use the Remote Compiler19:34
JaffaWhich isn't *too* bad19:34
Jaffa(better than a VM)19:34
JaffaWould be cool if someone made a hack which used an instance of the SDK running in a VM be invoked from my Linux one19:34
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JaffaMohammadAG: There's also the stuff people have done to get the SDK running in gnupoc19:34
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ponyofdeathhi, anyone use these guy's firmware to jailbreak the ps3?
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pupnik_as far as pop memes go, unrecognizable anime ponies isn't the worst imaginable19:41
RST38hponies are notproper anime afaik19:42
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DocScrutinizerhmm, #meego* is lame, so here: is GPRS on N900 meego working?19:44
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rdI get a compile error for navit for maemo5. Can anybody check ? Am I doing something obviously wrong?19:47
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MohammadAGJaffa, I don't think I could compile libraries then use them for compilation19:49
rdCan I get more details on "skipping incompatible /usr/lib/ when searching for -lQtDeclarative"?19:49
MohammadAGrd, file /usr/lib/
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MohammadAGand paste the output19:50
rdHmm....I get an armel library in x86 configuration.19:50
rd[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] > file /opt/lib/
rd/opt/lib/ ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped19:50
rd[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] >19:50
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rdFrom package management it clearly looks like it should be x86 (?).19:53
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rdapt-get remove libqt4-declarative and apt-get install libqt4-declarative solved the problem.19:58
rdNow I am wondering, if I missed something....19:58
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rd....I always thought I can switch with "sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86|FREMANTLE_ARMEL" between the two architectures.19:59
rdBut not it seems that I see armel libraries inside x86, is that expected?19:59
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MohammadAGrd, no, it's not20:25
MohammadAGswitching should switch targets, and libraries live in two different targets for each arch20:25
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hajhm .. wonder if it's possible to make the N900 stop popping up with "mass storage/pc suite" selector when inserting the usb cable from the computer... 19 out of 20 times I just use it to charge it...20:50
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cehtehhaj: yes thats possible20:54
cehtehone of the tweak apps, i forgot which one can do that20:54
cehtehat least i disabled it for me :)20:54
cehtehah i think 'powatool' is it20:55
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NIN101@MohammadAG: Do you plan to upgrade the kernel power source package to v47?20:56
MohammadAGNIN101, don't have time atm :/20:56
NIN101hm, ok.20:57
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hajcehteh: hmm .. i can't really see an option for that in powatool..21:01
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hajcehteh: what would it be called?21:01
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hajcehteh: ah.. i can remove the status applet.. but then i can't make it go to mass storage when i need it ;)21:03
cehtehone of the usb things .. try it out "USB sync" or so21:04
cehtehwell i dont use usb sync at all and turned it entirely off21:04
cehtehbut iirc some time ago i configured it only not to nag automatically but still be able to manually switch it21:05
cehtehtry disabling 'sync plugin'21:06
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hajJust did.. didn't do any different..21:09
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cehtehwell dunno you have to play a bit around21:12
cehtehi once configured that but i cant remmeber how exactly21:12
cehtehcould also systemui.conf21:12
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hajcalvaris: it is the usb status bar that does the popup..21:14
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hajcehteh: even21:17
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RST38hScientists Afflict Computers With Schizophrenia!21:46
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user_Anybody home?21:48
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user_Answer me!21:52
user_N900 or motorola xoom21:53
user_what would you choose??21:53
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user_ok im going21:54
Sicelo :/21:54
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* Sicelo knows nothing of xoom.. but n900 any day21:54
user_my first indication this actuall works21:54
user_yesss n90021:54
Sicelolol.. this your first time on irc?21:55
user_yesss n900!21:55
user_Yes lol21:55
Sicelook. kewl21:55
user_I just downloaded Xchat off of extras dev21:55
Siceloone lesson you will soonest learn is that patience pays here21:55
user_lol you sound like a wise man..21:55
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Siceloyou're on n900 atm?21:56
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Sicelonot wisdom :) but the thing is that people here are just contributing of their time freely... the only price you must be willing to pay is a bit of waiting time21:56
user_true true21:57
Siceloi have no N900, unfortunately.. but working towards getting myself one21:57
user_I can wait21:57
user_why do you choose to buy one this 'late'21:58
Venemouser_, what is 'motorola xoom'?21:58
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user_as far as i know, its the first decent tablet running honeycomb21:59
user_ok kool21:59
Venemoand what is your question?21:59
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user_whatmisma ctcp version21:59
esaym153anyone here using Maemo Mapper? I am wondering if it can build a track that also includes time stamps.22:00
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user_honeycomb looks like it could be good22:00
user_maemo mapper was so good on n81022:01
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norayrpeople of maemo22:10
norayrdo you know what happens22:10
norayrif you upload a source to the builder, it builds the source22:11
norayrand then you try to find your package, find it22:11
norayrget a link22:11
norayrand - there's another maintainer22:11
norayrit means there was a package with the same name22:11
pupnik_what package22:12
pupnik_i hadn't heard of this22:12
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norayrmay be by any chance marcello mansueto is here?22:14
norayrpupnik_: I've just uploaded file to the autobuilder22:14
norayrit created the package22:14
norayrbut there were another package with the same name22:14
norayrbut doing different thing22:14
norayrI just found it out22:14
norayrWriting letter to the maintainer of the package22:15
norayrwill change the name of mine, obviously22:15
norayrbut... how to solve it quicker?22:15
pupnik_rename and upload again?22:15
norayrOf course22:16
norayrBut I am afraid for his project22:16
pupnik_you're already in wiki!22:16
norayrI hope mine wouldn't replace his in the repo22:16
jacekowskihow do you know it was built?22:16
norayrOn the right side22:17
norayrI can see that just couple of minutes ago it was build22:17
norayrand if I click on the link name22:17
jacekowskiit may still reject the build22:17
norayrit appears there's another project22:17
jacekowskias in not import it22:18
norayrI hope so.22:18
jacekowskino it wont22:18
jacekowskiyou used higher version number22:18
jacekowskiJaffa: we have a customer for you22:18
norayrJaffa: I was using your wiki explanations :)22:18
norayrMay it possible to find some maintainer of the whole repository?22:19
norayrSo he can delete the package, and I can upload it again with the different name22:19
jacekowskiit's Jaffa22:19
norayrnice :)22:19
norayrJaffa: hey22:19
jacekowskithing is that if it get's importent22:20
jacekowskiold version will be cleaned up22:20
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jacekowskinorayr: download old source for that package22:20
jacekowskinorayr: and reupload it with never version number22:20
jacekowskithat's option one22:21
jacekowskioption two wait for Jaffa22:21
jacekowskibut having copy of sources may help22:21
norayrJaffa would be the best solution22:22
norayrbecause the package maintainer may not want to change the version number22:22
norayrand then jaffa will be needed again22:22
RST38h...In accordance with SCP-775 containment protocols, Overwatch has been notified of the restocking of the 'Selective Genocide' service...22:28
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MohammadAGnorayr, then you overwrote that package22:29
IHateHayfeverI wish blemaemo was fully supported22:29
MohammadAGand it'll be shown as an update to users of the old package22:29
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping22:29
MohammadAGalso, I'm lagging like shit22:30
MohammadAGjacekowski, I think only X-Fade can change repo stuff22:31
norayrYeah, I see, I desperately need Jaffa22:31
IHateHayfevercan you transfer files on this thing?22:34
pupnik_on n900?22:35
pupnik_many ways22:35
IHateHayfeveri was just taght the ctcp command so...22:35
IHateHayfeverso how would one transfer say... a screemshot22:36
IHateHayfeverand i know many ways to send files using my n90022:37
IHateHayfeverbut, not on XCHAT22:37
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jacekowskinorayr: then you need X-Fade22:38
norayrX-Fade: I need you22:38
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pupnik_IHateHayfever: to send to an irc chatter, look up how to do a DCC SEND22:39
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lolcatThe browser in the HTC Desire seems smoother than with the N90022:41
pupnik_the sending client's firewall needs to open/forward a specific port for DCC22:41
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WizzupWhen using an extra mmc card, is that also supported to be shared when using usb mass storage?22:44
infobotWizzup meant: When using an extra mmc card, is that also supposed to be shared when using usb mass storage?22:44
Wizzuphm, I formatted it ext2 and it isn't shared ;_;22:45
WizzupProbably because of that22:45
pupnik_i think so22:45
WizzupIt was shared if the main care was ``in use''22:45
Wizzupso it does work22:45
WizzupIt just doesn't export both at the same time22:45
pupnik_main card?22:46
pupnik_you shoved two cards into the n900? :)22:46
Wizzupwell, it has support for an extra one, right?22:46
WizzupI guess I should call it microsd22:46
Wizzupthat's the one I formatted to ext222:47
Wizzupso mmcblck122:47
pupnik_'extra' means what22:47
Wizzupif you open the cover, there's room for an microsd card22:47
pupnik_one, yes22:47
Wizzupthat's what I call extra22:47
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pupnik_extra implies a second one22:47
Wizzupnot in my book, extra because it isn't shipped with two, just one :)22:48
WizzupAside from the miscommunication, it is supposed to advertise both?22:48
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IHateHayfeveri found an eaisier way22:49
pupnik_partitions from  mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 should be visible from PC over usb, if i recall correctly22:49
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IHateHayfeveryou don't have to accept22:49
IHateHayfeverthis x chat is pretty good22:50
norayrokay, I'll try to write a private message to jaffa22:50
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IHateHayfeversomeone send me somthing22:51
IHateHayfeverim that bored22:51
IHateHayfeverhow do i change my font to white.. or black22:51
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norayrjacekowski: is this that Jaffa?
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norayrthe right Jaffa22:53
pupnik_oh sorry IHateHayfever - i missed your dcc send22:54
IHateHayfeveris the n950 really going to happen?22:54
IHateHayfeverthats kool22:54
IHateHayfeverjust one of my desktops22:54
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IHateHayfeverfinaly got that htc widget22:54
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IHateHayfeverim trying to download yours and upload mine but both are frozen...22:57
MohammadAGnorayr, he'll reply here when he's on, no need to PM him22:58
MohammadAGand again, X-Fade manages the repo, not Jaffa22:58
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IHateHayfeverpupnik try again22:59
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norayrJaffa: hey, hey23:00
norayrX-Fade: hey hey23:00
keriohey! listen!23:00
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pupnik_k trying IHateHayfever23:03
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rdMohammadAG, can you post your output of ls -l in the scratchbox root dir?23:07
MohammadAG/scratchbox or the target's /?23:08
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IHateHayfeverim off23:09
IHateHayfeverand thanks :)23:09
Sicelobye IHateHayfever23:09
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IHateHayfeverbi guys23:10
rdthe one from /scratchbox23:10
IHateHayfeveror girls23:10
IHateHayfeveri assume guys23:10
IHateHayfeverbut its just text23:10
IHateHayfeverhow the hell am i supposed to know23:10
rd(I think somehow /opt was created by some utility and replaced the link to /targets for /opt)23:11
rdthen sb-conf select is not updateing the link /opt anymore (?)23:11
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