| DocScrutinizer | wam: so tun is a proxy based thing like e.g. VPN? | 00:00 |
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| wam | tun is a tunneling device | 00:01 |
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| wam | just a network device | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but tunneling ipv6 thru ipv4 needs a server that 'untunnels', no? | 00:01 |
| wam | yeaqh | 00:01 |
| wam | right | 00:01 |
| wam | all automatic | 00:01 |
| wam | apt-get install miredo | 00:02 |
| kwtm | ~seen kwtm | 00:02 |
| infobot | kwtm is currently on #maemo (13h 36m). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 6s, last said: '~seen kwtm'. | 00:02 |
| wam | and add /etc/miredo.conf | 00:02 |
| kwtm | No one has seen me? Oh, ok. | 00:02 |
| wam | InterfaceName teredo | 00:02 |
| wam | ServerAddress teredo-debian.remlab.net | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: fol, you're still here, so there's no sense in "was last seen..." | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: ok, zhink that'S exactly what I meant | 00:03 |
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| wam | DocScrutinizer: the bad thing is that the default browser doesn't do ipv4. | 00:04 |
| wam | DocScrutinizer: you can test with http://ipv6.google.com | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: (default browser) aka microB. That's why I asked where's timeless | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: btw IPv6 I guess | 00:06 |
| wam | ? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think microB does IPv4 | 00:07 |
| wam | sure | 00:07 |
| wam | modern browsers do * | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>...default browser doesn't do ipv4. | 00:08 |
| wam | right | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | not right? | 00:08 |
| wam | you are rig | 00:08 |
| wam | t | 00:08 |
| wam | default browser doesn't do ipv6. | 00:08 |
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| wam | ;) | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'd like to ask timeless why it doesn't | 00:09 |
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| wam | it just says "Server nicht gefunden" which means: "Server not found" for ipv6.google.com, where ff4 shows the page. | 00:10 |
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| pupnik | heroic dneary, greetings | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | or greetings to dneary's client then | 00:12 |
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| dneary | pupnik, There is such a thing as "doing something else" :) | 00:12 |
| dneary | Thanks | 00:12 |
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| pupnik | looks like the world of linux portables will remain boutique | 00:14 |
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| dneary | Greetings pupnik :) | 00:15 |
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| GAN900 | "All of those children's book say 'Printed in China'. Do I need to be worried about lead paint?" | 00:26 |
| pupnik | omg, scroll down for some awesome fantasy monster art... http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109977 | 00:26 |
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| wazd | pupnik: awesome contest :) | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Neat. | 00:28 |
| wazd | Though they are mostly just a combitation of existing animals :) | 00:30 |
| mtnbkr | GAN900: probably. | 00:30 |
| wazd | oh no, I judged too early :D | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~seen timeless | 00:32 |
| infobot | timeless <d4d5ddfe@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 5h 39m 33s ago, saying: 'hi'. | 00:32 |
| wam | boy, I didn't know that there are that many _different_ monsters. | 00:32 |
| * pupnik is overloaded | 00:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: you now also function as a small concrete bridge in germany? | 00:35 |
| pupnik | too matsch monsters | 00:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/10410361 | 00:37 |
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| GAN900 | OK, now Windows 7 has spontaneously uninstalled the UltraNav driver. | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | A question to all PC users of the world: How do you live like this?! *g* | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | What's "ultranav driver"? | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | In general when using windows I have 3 rules: 1) Don't install any drivers. 2) Don't install any programs. 3) Don't forget 1 and 2 | 01:20 |
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| GAN900 | Trackpad driver for Lenovo trackpoint/trackpad devices. | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, problem is, Ubuntu wont resume from sleep. | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | So I'm stuck with MS crap for the time being if I want to use it. | 01:21 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, which Ubuntu? | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | I had problems with Ubuntu 10.10 with Natty's kernel | 01:23 |
| mtnbkr | GAN900: I am a PC user, but my OS is Gentoo Linux (and I don't "deal with that type of stuff" ;) | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | but both Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 (Natty) resume fine from sleep | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | so you could try different kernels | 01:23 |
| jrayhawk | Whoa, a Lenovo user that actually *wants* a trackpad? | 01:24 |
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| ShadowJK | This is why I haven't upgraded my fedora install for years. I have older kernel than N900-Maemo5. :-) | 01:24 |
| * mtnbkr is just being pedantic again... after all the mac users he knows always interchanging the word windows with PC | 01:24 | |
| ShadowJK | There's always something that breaks :-( | 01:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: 11.04 | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrayhawk: it's the driver for both the trackpad and the touchpoint. :) | 02:21 |
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| jrayhawk | oh okay | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr: not interchanging. :) | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr: I'm including Linux with the bullshit pile. | 02:23 |
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| rtyler | hilfe! somehow the "Select Connection" dialog won't dismiss! | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, heard that just a few days ago | 02:26 |
| rtyler | time bomb! | 02:26 |
| rtyler | heh | 02:26 |
| rtyler | I think my n900 figured out I work on Android <_< | 02:27 |
| rtyler | DocScrutinizer: did the previous victim figure out a workaround, or just rebooted the sucker | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the sucker rebooted ;-P | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a pity as we couldn't investigate on it any further | 02:28 |
| rtyler | well, consider me a guinea pig for the next few minutes | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig, route, ping 8.8.8.8, cat /etc/resolv.conf, cat /var/run/resolv.conf.* | 02:30 |
| rtyler | where? | 02:31 |
| rtyler | on the device? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesg|tail -n 30 | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:31 |
| rtyler | I can't get to anything, the dialog keeps popping into the way | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you open the applauncher despite the dialog? | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | modal dialogs suck in Maemo 5 | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | if a dialog hangs, the only way to kill it is to reboot | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | (or ssh and kill it) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerbutton, kill current task | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | but I can think of a nasty way to counter it | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't work for dialogs | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | simply kills the window "behind" it | 02:33 |
| rtyler | I'm not fast enough to get a terminal open to spite it | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | great! :-/ | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, I have a nasty method | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | can you use flasher? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | and no, I don't want you to reflash | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | if you can... | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what do you have in mind | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, what's on your mind | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hmmmm | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | use android or any other OS to move/remove /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would that change anything? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | fix shit, reinstall it | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | (hildon-status-menu that is) | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | reboot help as well | 02:36 |
| rtyler | MohammadAG: that's gross | 02:36 |
| rtyler | :) | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | rtyler, better than flashing :) | 02:36 |
| rtyler | looks like there's no means of working around this without a reboot, damnits | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it'd be interesting to have a forensic research | 02:37 |
| rtyler | hah | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:37 |
| rtyler | stupid maemo | 02:37 |
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| MohammadAG | it'd be interesting to have a fucking X button | 02:37 |
| rtyler | [Fucking X] | 02:37 |
| rtyler | ? | 02:37 |
| rtyler | :D | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be a bug in some DHCP server | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | I heard Maemo 4 had one | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that causes route or sth to fckup | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | regardless | 02:37 |
| rtyler | I can get the menu from the power button, which shows up above the connection dialog | 02:38 |
| rtyler | lolz | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | an X button = click it = App isn't responding = you can kill it | 02:38 |
| rtyler | ah | 02:38 |
| rtyler | cool | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | when the status menu hangs, you can kill it by clicking outside | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | the same doesn't happen for dialogs | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's sth desparately trying to get connectivity, and you have set up to "always ask", and the DHCP/DNS blows chunks | 02:39 |
| rtyler | alright, went into offline mode | 02:39 |
| rtyler | that killed the dialog | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | mind you, this is an easily reproduceable UI problem | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey :-D | 02:39 |
| rtyler | reconnecting, w00t | 02:39 |
| rtyler | I AM TEH CLEVER | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | make a quick QDialog, override QCloseEvent(), ignore the event | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's what I think, it will restart popping dialogs in a short while | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | add that dialog to init.d, and you ruined an N900 | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash and nothing is ruined | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | some people hate to reflash | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtyler: could you check dmesg / syslog now? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hey, ninstall messybox, much simpler to 'ruin N900' | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | even better, nuke NOLO | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | rm /sbin/preinit | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | (don't do that @ everyone) | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nuking nolo is much more evil >:-) | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, those were the times... when this channel had 500+ users | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah you can coldflash | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | *me* can | 02:46 |
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| Juozapas | hi can u recommend some mail client for n900? i'm using gmail | 02:54 |
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| mva | Juozapas: why you don't want to use default one? :) | 03:07 |
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| GAN900 | OK, this is serious idiocy. | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | Three comouters, none of them will resume from suspend | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Fuin. | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | Debuging doesn't come up with any hardware at fault. . . . | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | How do you release shit like this and call it ready? | 04:50 |
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| Lorisse | help: my app manager won't list down available apps for download. It says "operation failed" | 06:27 |
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| pupnik | flash sucks | 10:00 |
| pupnik | adobe sucks | 10:00 |
| pupnik | spending a whole minute of my life trying to stop a flash video | 10:00 |
| pupnik | which took 45 seconds to start | 10:01 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 11:03 |
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| chem|st | morning | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo, moo | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: how's life? | 12:28 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: as bad as always | 12:37 |
| chem|st | boring | 12:37 |
| chem|st | BUT my sailing trainer just called for this month sport boat license training | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, that sounds like fun | 12:39 |
| chem|st | so hopefully I have the license next month and am able to do the followup in july | 12:39 |
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| ruskie | followup being sink??? | 12:42 |
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| edheldil | followup being 2.2? | 12:45 |
| chem|st | followup being sport coast skipper license | 12:46 |
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| psychologe | hello i install nessus on easy debian,but when i update the plugins ,it suggest Could not write to all-2.0.tar.gz - No space left on device....can some one help me? | 14:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | probably the easy debian chroot image is already full? | 14:18 |
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| psychologe | i don't know ,i had't install any program on easy debian before | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | you've installed nessus, you do realise even without installing nessus, easy debian could fill up the space it was allocated with initially? | 14:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ping | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | pong | 14:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | I recall you were saying that you can charge the N900 whilst its running USB hostmode? if so how do you go about charging? | 14:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | possibly something like going through a hub | 14:32 |
| ruskie | and a cable properly setup I guess | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I was thinking of having N900 plugged into the hub and then have something like microUSB female to USB male going into one of the hub's ports? | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that's the tricky part :) I know h-e-n stops BME which won't show one the status of the battery on hildon-status iirc | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I did it by using a very commonly used Y-cable as comes with external drives | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 14:36 |
| infobot | it has been said that hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh those used on 2.5" ones | 14:36 |
| * psycho_oreos checks out the link | 14:36 | |
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| reenignEesreveR | someone nearby setup a fake gsm base station. My n900 got connected with it. While all other phones are working fine. Is there an implementation flaw in n900's authentication or what? | 14:37 |
| pupnik | interesting | 14:37 |
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| reenignEesreveR | scary for me! | 14:37 |
| ruskie | if the base station is outputing all the right stuff don't see why there would be | 14:38 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i received this SMS: Welcome to OpenBTS! AGPLv3 openbts.sf.net. Your IMSI is IMSI: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | 14:38 |
| ruskie | the implementation flaw is in the gsm encryption in general though iirc | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | There is generally no authentication on thephone. | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The phon e is quite happy to connect to any tower with the correct broadcast ID. | 14:38 |
| reenignEesreveR | but there should be authentication of the bts via the sim | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't. | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the other way round. | 14:38 |
| reenignEesreveR | then why other phones with same network provider aren't getting connected? | 14:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | The phone authenticates to the tower, not the tower to the phone. | 14:39 |
| ruskie | because they set the network manually? | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps your phone supports a band that they do not. | 14:39 |
| reenignEesreveR | so if someone sets up a fake tower, everyone can get connected to it? | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | reenignEesreveR: yes. | 14:39 |
| reenignEesreveR | thats a pretty simple MIM! | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?olo=rss&newsid=3233898 | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU8hg4FTm0g | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not quite MIM | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | As inbound calls don't work. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | However. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's also possible to fake your phone, with additional stuff. | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | reenignEesreveR: LOOOOL | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You (as the tower) ask the phone to authenticate with a cipher you can crack. | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | This gives you the secret keys from the SIM | 14:42 |
| reenignEesreveR | you really don't need that, do you? | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | This enables you to then use those secret keys to authenticate as a phone to the real network | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the link. Very interesting setup, though it looks like I may have to go buy at least an adapter (mUSB female -> USB male) + Y splitter. Seems a little complicated but its still interesting nonetheless | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | And you then proxy inbound calls to the phone, and inbound texts | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | reenignEesreveR: If you want a proper MITM, yes. | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | reenignEesreveR: Otherwise you just get a phone not connected to anything but you. | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - see the youtube link - 'practical cellphone spying' | 14:44 |
| lolcat | If I backup to a memorycard, will it be in a readable format for things that are not N900? | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM wasn't really designed with security in mind - from the POV of people pretending to be cellphone towers. | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: it's not complicated at all. Get shadowjk's charger script, then do bostoff; charge.sh.txt; ^C charge.sh.txt (you probably want to rename the charge.sh.txt to something more snae, like I did) | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, GSM has security for protecting the network from rogue users, not to preotect users from rogue networks | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | reenignEesreveR: Also - wherre ar eyou? | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Ans why do you think you're connected to a rogue towerr? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had that demonstrated on CCC 3(?) years ago, by Harald Welte | 14:47 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh ok thanks | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | Lolcat backups without a pw are just plain zip files | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | But you have an option to encrypt the backups with a pass | 14:50 |
| lolcat | merlin1991: Cool | 14:50 |
| lolcat | I don't want it to be difficult | 14:50 |
| lolcat | But today I am returning my phone | 14:50 |
| lolcat | Because I need money for my vacation | 14:50 |
| lolcat | Buying one for approximatly haf the price | 14:50 |
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| lolcat | But I need some help | 14:52 |
| lolcat | What features in the N900 is only found in the new Symbian phones? | 14:52 |
| lolcat | I really want a keyboard and I don't want android | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | Here. Quiet now. | 14:55 |
| pupnik | good day DocScrutinizer, RST38h | 14:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer imagines vacations without N900 and starts to cry | 14:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lo pupnik | 14:56 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I love the N900 for vacations, I can use all the computer features and have it awesome! | 14:56 |
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| merlin1991 | N900 > some vacation money ;) | 14:56 |
| lolcat | merlin1991: I will buy a new N900 | 14:57 |
| lolcat | But for WAY cheaper | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's just too weird | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can I do that too, maybe 10 times a day?? | 14:57 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: They fixed the charger port, and then it came loose again. 3rd repair == refund | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, aah | 14:58 |
| lolcat | The fun thing is that the next phone probably has the same issues (pretty sure it is from the same batch) | 14:58 |
| lolcat | So I will probably get the money back for it too after about a year | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might consider not using USB port anymore | 14:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer still loosely following his project to have a charging cradle | 14:59 | |
| RST38h | hey apupnik | 14:59 |
| lolcat | How will that work? | 15:00 |
| onion_ | funny, a friends N900 usb porting getting loose was fixed by him getting a N8 instead. "No N900 available anymore" was the answer to the obvious question. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably by drilling two small holes into battery cover | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus some small "hardware" inside | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering about connecting up Vbus, gnd, and D+ and D- from under the battery to outside. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Through protector | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I considered revamping pre's inductive charger, but it's too expensive for a poor EE | 15:01 |
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| lolcat | Inductive charging? How much would that be? How long distances? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly, but Vbus still unclear | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Other than solder, yes. | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: direct contact (like cradle) but without electrical contacts. Think of your electric toothbrush | 15:03 |
| Cor-Ai | If I'd like to alter the funktion of some of the HW buttons on my n900, how should i do that? :) | 15:03 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: My toothbrush is manual | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the pre inductive option is not exactly spare money | 15:03 |
| pupnik | possible great port candidate for maemo "Desktop Dungeons" - quick minimalistic roguelike http://www.qcfdesign.com/?cat=20 | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...and probably I'd trash a few until proper rework paper for everybody *might* be finished | 15:04 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, what's wrong with plain 'ol nethack exactly? | 15:05 |
| lolcat | How much in terms of numbers? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm not going to do this, no business model in it, just expense, lots of expense | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | I knew it all along, Doc is just a corporate spy ;) | 15:06 |
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| pupnik | ruskie: i don't know | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/14/evo-4g-receives-a-palm-pre-inductive-charging-transplant-video/ | 15:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't inductive charging slightly dangerous? I mean... you're subjecting the bits of the device to a very hefty magnetic field, and any antennas /will/ develop a charge... | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | inductive charging is in the kHz range, no threat for the antennae. And the 'bits' are immune to that magnetic field, whatever you exactly meant by 'bits' | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | most concern for me would be the magnets in device getting demagnetized ;-D That won't happen though, as the magnet field is too high freq and too weak | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, as mentioned above, that's too expensive for me, so I'll go for a way simpler solution | 15:22 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_no_thanks/ <-- seriously??? | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | along pogopins | 15:22 |
| pupnik | dog poppins | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen venemo | 15:24 |
| infobot | venemo <~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 52m 32s ago, saying: 'at all'. | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bme.hu ??? | 15:25 |
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| ruskie | what? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I meant there's no clear indication for any testpoint exposing Vbus yet | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | which would be a major obstake for a simple rework | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | obstakle* | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~spell obstacle | 15:27 |
| infobot | 'obstacle' may be spelled correctly | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | ~spell DocScrutinizer | 15:28 |
| infobot | possible spellings for DocScrutinizer: Scrutinize Scrutinies Scrutineers Scrutineer's Scrutiny's | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will take a while until I make it into meriam-websters or Duden | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer: Some Electronics Engineer most known for his contributions to famous epic fail Openmoko and his frequent ranting on several design details of maemo and meego. Allegedly died some years later while banging his head on desk | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 15:35 |
| infobot | you are probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ crashanddie | 15:37 |
| infobot | hmm... crashanddie is OMG!!! | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | also OK :-P | 15:37 |
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| crashanddie | ~ crashanddie | 15:53 |
| infobot | well, crashanddie is OMG!!! | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | ~ infobot | 15:53 |
| infobot | infobot is, like, in need of training, can someone train me? | 15:53 |
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| chem|st | ~ chem|st | 16:05 |
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| Mece | should I be able to use qtmobility 1.2 with maemo cssu? | 16:06 |
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| Mece | is libqt4-dev optified? | 16:14 |
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| psychologe | hello everyone,i need some help ,i replace libflashplayer.so with version10.now some network video ,i can't player .so can some one send me libflashplayer.so ,it in /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | Hehe: http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_i_give_up.jpg | 16:16 |
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| Mece | RST38h, funny and sad | 16:19 |
| psychologe | who can send me this file /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so .thanks | 16:20 |
| Mece | RST38h, ses the guy at a QtQuick seminar... | 16:20 |
| Mece | s/ses/says/ | 16:20 |
| infobot | Mece meant: RST38h, says the guy at a QtQuick seminar... | 16:20 |
| psychologe | hello infobot | 16:21 |
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| psychologe | can you help me | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psychologe: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/libflashplayer.so -- fool! ;-D | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | wakit til upload finished | 16:23 |
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| psychologe | OH thanks but Not Found | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait til upload finished | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/libflashplayer.so | 16:27 |
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| psychologe | ok thank you very very much!!!you are good man | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, if ou do a backup next time, prior to deleting/replacing stuff ;-D | 16:30 |
| psychologe | ok | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cp libflashplayer.so ~user/libflashplayer.so~ | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: there's obviously no simple way to contact Vbus :-(( | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | most easy point probably C5300 outer side | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | inside can though | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and behind fuse, which isn't that bad as we could get our own fuse | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | psychologe, you're Chinese or Indian, are you not? | 16:37 |
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| psychologe | chinese | 16:38 |
| psychologe | sorry my bad english | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nevermind what I said about Vbus | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: have to investigate further | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: \o/ J2000:6 is Vbus internal (i.e. after all the filtering, inner end of L5300) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so connecting this TP to a filter chain similar to the one around *5300 components, then route it to a gold plated copper/brass pad under a 1.2mm hole drilled into backside battery cover... DONE | 16:49 |
| pupnik | https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdDJQTElWS1VWbl9aZmZlUTZXY2lLdmc&hl=en&authkey=CNLP5MUH#gid=0 Guantanamo Bay Detainees: Name, ISN, Nationality, Code, ArrivalDate, Reason for transfer, Capture details | 16:50 |
| pupnik | secret no-more |:P | 16:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer stares at BL-5J, pondering how much 'empty' space is in there, to place some 1005 and 0603, 0402 there | 16:58 | |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what are 1005, 0603, and 0402? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.10*0.05" components, rsp .06*.03 and .04*.02 | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0402 is standard size for most small capacitors and all resistors on N900 | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: btw ->[2011-05-05 13:04:55] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: May 05 10:26:59 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: .... May 05 11:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I have more interest in lis302dl --- in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt | 17:01 |
| Venemo | will check it out | 17:02 |
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| Psi | http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/2011/05/03/how-china-recycles-millions-of-cellphones-every-year/ | 17:04 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, interesting discussion | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, alas to the point of no result | 17:34 |
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| iluminator101 | hey guys whats the best app to record a live phone call? | 17:35 |
| Venemo | iluminator101, there is an app for that in the repo, but I can't recall its name | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: the kernel gurus aren't interested in it, and the distro maintainers aren't interested in it either as that's not their domain | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | recaler | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | recall (-er?) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | REcord ALL | 17:36 |
| iluminator101 | have you used it, is it reliable | 17:36 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, well, there is an old proverb. "if you want something done properly, do it yourself". it is unfortunate that neither of us are kernel hackers. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | acted up on me some time back | 17:36 |
| Venemo | iluminator101, it's called "recaller" I think. never tried. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it didn't stop recording at end of call, maybe it got fixed meanwhile, or I messed it up. It was nice as long as it behaved | 17:37 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, could we make OM's driver to be API or ABI compatible with the upstream junk? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 17:38 |
| Venemo | why not? | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the API is what's botked | 17:38 |
| Venemo | polling at 20Hz is what's borked | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that too | 17:38 |
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| Venemo | having a non-polling driver with a "borked" API is still better than not having it at all. | 17:39 |
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| Venemo | anyway, is there an IRC channel for kernel devs? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | OM lis302 driver has a nice sane /dev/inputX interface aka API | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfi | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: you noticed the roaring silence from stskeeps when I posted that note to him in #meego? | 17:41 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, nope, I wasn't around then | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I'm really fed up with that shit, as obviously *nobody* cares, of all the dudes who actually ought | 17:42 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I think alterego may also be able to help or at least add his voice. remember, he promised to do something about it if we can prove that MeeGo is affected. | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if #meego-arm folks are ignorant about problems in their distro that are "upstream", then why should I grow a headache? | 17:43 |
| Venemo | hm | 17:44 |
| Venemo | isn't there an IRC channel for kernel hackers/developers? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego already asked about that stuff on #meego-arm and as well got no interest | 17:44 |
| Venemo | mhm | 17:45 |
| Venemo | so at the end, we'll need to do it ourselves. | 17:45 |
| Venemo | or just convince Sts to use the better driver in the N900 adaptation and forget about the rest. | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems there are two policies: either write your own accelerometer driver and keep it local in the branch specific to your device/distro, or simply use "upstream" however crappy it might be - meego chosen 2nd approach, OM first one | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither of both cares about "upstream", as long as it is about getting something fixed there | 17:48 |
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| Venemo | so, we should crap on MeeGo and take this issue to upstream ourselves | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to do this as the frontman. I might join in helping, as I'd get flamed about my ignorance regarding "best practice" at "upstream kernel development" which I really don't get the point of | 17:51 |
| Venemo | I'll open a bug about this on kernel.org | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems like every fool can push a crappy piece of shit driver upstream, and nobody ever will care about a proper solution after that | 17:52 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | my idea of sw development and system architecture been fundamentally different | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, not even Harald Welte - the original author of the OM driver and also a known kernel hacker (netfilters et al) - bothered to push this driver upstream | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's definitely sth fishy, either in the driver, or in the way upstream kernel maintenance is done | 17:55 |
| Venemo | after a quick search of lis302 on kernel.org bugzilla, I get "Zarro Boogs found. " | 17:55 |
| Sicelo_ | just a quick question: cat /proc/cpuinfo needs root access on N900? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the upstream driver isn't buggy - it's just braindamaged crap | 17:56 |
| Venemo | yeah | 17:56 |
| Venemo | being braindamaged crap fits into "buggy" | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll /proc/cpuinfo | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2011-05-05 16:56 /proc/cpuinfo | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo_: the answer is "NO" | 17:57 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, is the chip called "lis302"? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lis302dl | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 17:57 |
| Venemo | ~iirc | 17:58 |
| infobot | somebody said iirc was "if I recall correctly" | 17:58 |
| Venemo | thx | 17:58 |
| Venemo | google doesn't find anything either on "lis302dl" site:https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to mention me ;-D | 17:58 |
| Venemo | what? | 17:59 |
| Venemo | oh, okay :P | 17:59 |
| Sicelo_ | ty DocScrutinizer :) | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you're going to open a ticket | 17:59 |
| Venemo | yes, I think I'm going to | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: what's your problem with google? first hit here is the datasheet | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/12726.pdf | 18:01 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I was specifically looking for any possibly extisting bugreport. so I added site:https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ to my search query | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 18:01 |
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| Venemo | you know, maybe someone has noticed this before? | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=lis302dl+bug&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= | 18:03 |
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| Venemo | no bugs at kernel.org anyway, nor any "upstream" places as I can see | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lis3lv02+bug&aq=f&aqi=&oq= | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | check lis3lv02, iirc that's the name of the braindead upsteam driver | 18:04 |
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| Venemo | lis3lv02 seems to be a totally different chip | 18:05 |
| Venemo | or I dunno, but it sounds differently | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, actually it sounds a little bit different | 18:08 |
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| Venemo | maybe lis3lv02 doesn't even support the stuff that lis302dl does? so actually maybe the braindamaged driver isn't that braindamaged after all? | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: the register mapping seems to mach 1:1 on a fast scan | 18:14 |
| Venemo | hmm | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | match* | 18:14 |
| Venemo | then what's the difference? | 18:14 |
| Venemo | I also don't understand how can this stuff be used for joysticks too? | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | upper sample freq for lis302dl=400 , for lis3lv02 aiui 640 | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | range lis302dl +-8g, lis3lv02 +-6g | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (joysticks) freehand | 18:16 |
| Venemo | freehand? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not mounted to a desk | 18:17 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | a stick with a cable on it | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The lv partt has a bit less noise, and no doubleclcikc | 18:17 |
| Venemo | ahh, that kind of joystick | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: maemo driver is named lis302dl | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:17 |
| Venemo | okay | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you could argue meego is even using the WRONG driver | 18:18 |
| Venemo | what if we pretended we don't know anything about the crappy "lis3lv02" driver and would just submit the lis302dl driver to upstream. | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and larsc can't say there's already a driver upstream | 18:18 |
| Venemo | hahaah! | 18:18 |
| Venemo | exactly my thinking :) | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll ask larsc | 18:19 |
| Venemo | who is larsc? | 18:19 |
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| Venemo | so the braindamaged driver could still be used on the lis3lv02 chips, and the lis302dl from OM would be used for the lis302dl. then everyone would be happy. | 18:23 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, whatdooyouthink? | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chating with larsc | 18:24 |
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| shanttu | any ideas why video recording lags? just flashed cssu away, tried with and without oc (voltage default) | 18:40 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, the braindamaged crap claims to "support" the lis302dl too... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I still think it is crap, and claiming it supports lis302dl doesn't change that. But meh, it makes things difficult of course | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, obviously it's crap. "But meh, it makes things difficult of course" <--- this is what I'm concerned about. | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | does anyone have a fix for the silent alarm> | 19:15 |
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| Venemo | wut? | 19:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | occasionally my alarm will simply not emit any sound | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon | it almost always happens when you leave it ringing | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon | it'll eventually stop, but it won't ring again | 19:17 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 19:18 |
| Sazpaimon | on every other nokia phone that I've ever used in the past 10 years, it'll automatically snooze the alarm | 19:18 |
| Sazpaimon | occasionally however, the alarm will neglect to make any sound during normal operation | 19:18 |
| Sazpaimon | thats what really bugs me | 19:18 |
| Sazpaimon | the alarm screen will come up, but it wont make any sound | 19:19 |
| Sazpaimon | its as if the alarm keeps ringing but the phone just won't emit any sound | 19:19 |
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| lolcat | Do I have to install backup-whatever to take a full backup? | 19:38 |
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| merlin1991 | the inbuild back up should take care of backing up contacts / sms / calendar and a few system settings | 19:45 |
| psychologe | has someone install nessus in easy debian | 19:47 |
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| merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: indeed the maemo alarm in calendar is absolutely useless, and the alarm in clock is quite errr "better use a real alarm clock" | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: fix would be to use another alarm app | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gave up on it more or less, and I'm using N810 alarm which is really way better in my opinion | 20:31 |
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| ShadowJK | N810 alarm has been much less reliable for me | 20:34 |
| Toba | what kind of consumer are you? buy the newest gadget, which will surely work better | 20:34 |
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| pupnik | when i was a kid, high-tech was a digital clock radio by my bedside | 20:39 |
| pupnik | a different world... | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I was a child "digital clocks" had mechanical latches falling down every minute to show the new digit | 21:10 |
| gn00b | you're as old as i am | 21:10 |
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| mcepl | I have N900 with the latest Community SSU constantly rebooting after second or so of booting up, so it never completes boot. I cannot find this recorded on bugzilla. Anybody seen this? Is there any work around it? | 21:35 |
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| Wizzup | is there an easy way to add additional mounts to my startup? fstab is auto generated, I just want a bind mount | 21:38 |
| mcepl | looks like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12017 but it doesn't seem to have much workaround. | 21:39 |
| povbot | Bug 12017: N900 stuck in boot loop | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: hmm, multiboot? nitdroid? | 21:41 |
| mcepl | no, plain Maemo (w/Community SSU repo though) | 21:41 |
| mcepl | and advanced kernel (if it still matters in CSSU age) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, rootfs filled up? | 21:43 |
| mcepl | hmm, no idea ... cannot check when I am not able to boot :( | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: add a file to etc/init.d/* and link it to etc/rcX.d/S* | 21:49 |
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| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: do you think there is anything else to do than Reflash? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: boot to another system (e.g. meego, rescue-initrd), mount the maemo rootfs, and check and clean | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: thanks, I suppose I have to be really careful? | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't do much harm | 21:55 |
| Wizzup | ok | 21:56 |
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| Wizzup | last time I tried to edit it I bricked my device | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | just avoid to mount the wrong partition | 21:56 |
| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: do you have any URL how to do it (rescue-initrd)? | 21:56 |
| Wizzup | oh, but it's a -o bind | 21:56 |
| Wizzup | So it doesn't involve partitions :) | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mixed you two guys up | 21:57 |
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| Wizzup | ? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: there can't be much problems in what I suggested to you | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: mompls | 21:58 |
| Wizzup | ok | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 21:58 |
| Wizzup | So, if I understand this correctly: rcX.d/S* is automatically launched? | 21:59 |
| Wizzup | everything in it | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | S99* I suggest. Yes all starting with S are autolaunched | 21:59 |
| Wizzup | ok, ty | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about the correct runlevel | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | the X in rcX.d | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | checj etc/inittab | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | as maemo is somewhat nonstandard here | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's 2 | 22:00 |
| Wizzup | ok | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's 2, yes | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# runlevel | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | N 2 | 22:02 |
| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: thanks, will try | 22:02 |
| Wizzup | weird | 22:02 |
| Wizzup | ok, thx | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: just use the shortest other file there as a pattern | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | example | 22:04 |
| Wizzup | What do you mean? I think it works now | 22:04 |
| * Wizzup just rebooted | 22:04 | |
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| Wizzup | I wonder... since the mount -o bind uses the /media/mmc1 partition, am I not called it too early? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I just suggested you have a look at e.g. /etc/init.d/hwclock and copy&edit for your own file | 22:06 |
| Wizzup | o, sorry. | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | S99 is last one to get caled | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are cmdline tools that check the lengthy comment for info about dependencies, and create the correct symlink from /etc/init.d/XX to /etc/rcM.d/SNN-XX | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for your own system you probably get away with not bothering about anything of that | 22:09 |
| Wizzup | I didn't see any deps in hwclock | 22:09 |
| Wizzup | But perhaps that's why you suggested it | 22:09 |
| Wizzup | :) | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually it has no requered-start: | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look at hal | 22:10 |
| Wizzup | hm | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | . /lib/lsb/init-functions | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | is kinda notable | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as is the | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | case "$1" in | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | start) | 22:12 |
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| Wizzup | I don't follow, why exactly is that notable? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin maemo, other distros have a init.d/skel | 22:13 |
| Wizzup | Yeha, I've written some gentoo init scripts before | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the case "$1" is mandatory for the way init calls those scripts in rcX.d | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the source /lib/lsb/init-functions includes some common notification function and other auxiliary helpers used by init | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably don't need it if you have absolutely none of them | 22:15 |
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| Wizzup | I really just have a mount command in start and unmount in stop, and the case "$1" in stuff from hwclock | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sufficient then | 22:17 |
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| Wizzup | Also, now that I'm here... Any suggestion for a folder based music player? | 22:18 |
| Wizzup | I found someplayer to be a bit uneasy | 22:19 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't seem to be started on boot yet, any idea? http://paste.villavu.com/show/622/ | 22:23 |
| Wizzup | Starting it manually works | 22:23 |
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| jrayhawk | I've noticed mplayer tends to just stop abruptly in the face of various system events, such as the GPIO phone slide or any message alerts; is that the sort of uneasiness you're talking about? | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you made a link from the file to /etc/rc2.d/S99-bindmount-user ? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you set it to executable? | 22:30 |
| Wizzup | yes | 22:30 |
| Wizzup | # ls -l S99mount_wizzup | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 May 5 21:02 S99mount_wizzup -> /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | # ls -l /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1496 May 5 21:17 /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | ( I hope that wasn't too much paste :) ) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the S99 is in /etc/rc2.d/ ? | 22:32 |
| Wizzup | yes | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weird, should get started | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it gets started but your cmd fails? | 22:32 |
| Wizzup | I was a bit unsure about the levels that you give in the file | 22:32 |
| Wizzup | Well, it works when I run it manually | 22:32 |
| Wizzup | eg /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup start | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, never assume $PATH to be set to anything, in scripts | 22:33 |
| Wizzup | Don't think I use it | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's your command? | 22:33 |
| Wizzup | Did you see the paste? I don't understand otherwise | 22:34 |
| Wizzup | It's a mount call with absolute paths | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, npo | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | call mount with full path | 22:34 |
| Wizzup | oh. | 22:34 |
| Wizzup | Good idea | 22:34 |
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| Wizzup | dang, it's still not called | 22:37 |
| * Wizzup will add a touch /somefile to see if it's actually called | 22:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | insert `touch /root/test` | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 22:38 |
| Wizzup | yeh, was going to use /tmp | 22:38 |
| Wizzup | root is a better idea | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | this wasn't an answer | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a race | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually "echo one >>/root/testlog" ... "echo two, three, exit >>/root/testlog" | 22:40 |
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| Wizzup | nothing in /root/ | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | /sbin/mount -o bind,foo,bar X Y >>/root/testlog | 22:41 |
| Wizzup | Isn't it /bin/ ? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 22:41 |
| compengi | hello.. after i rebooted n900, the virtual keyboard stopped working. maybe the process is still up somewhere? or how do i know what's wrong? | 22:42 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: perhaps the Default-Start is wrong | 22:42 |
| Wizzup | I think it needs an S | 22:42 |
| Wizzup | hwclock has it, and I think hal doesn't because it's a dep of others | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: that'S only for adding a symlink to rcS.d which isn't what you want I guess | 22:43 |
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| Wizzup | ok | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and only if tools like insserv deal with installing that file | 22:44 |
| compengi | by stopped working i mean, stopped popping out | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: check your settings | 22:44 |
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| compengi | DocScrutinizer, i did that, it's enabled there | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I have to admit I have no idea | 22:46 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: Shall I just add every runlevel to it? | 22:47 |
| * Wizzup is out of ideas | 22:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | should work on 2 | 22:47 |
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| Wizzup | I see not every init scripts has all that parseable info | 22:47 |
| Wizzup | ssh doesn't have it | 22:48 |
| Wizzup | nvm, it's probably not in rcX.d | 22:48 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, i clicked the turn off button and then accidentally clicked on lock device button, it asked me to insert the code so i tapped on the outside region, then it asked me if i want to turn off the device, i clicked on yes. i started the device again, inserted the unlock code and the sim code, maemo loaded then i noticed that the virtual keyboard doesn't work | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that info isn't used on maemo I think | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: add it to 2,3,4,5 | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | as your INIT INFO says | 22:49 |
| Wizzup | Perhaps touch didn't work, because I didn't use the complete path...? | 22:49 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: ah, ok | 22:49 |
| Wizzup | I could also remove 3,4,5? Don't know if that matters | 22:50 |
| Wizzup | Better to add to multiple I suppose | 22:50 |
| Sicelo_ | ~wut | 22:51 |
| infobot | rumour has it, wut is a lamer way of saying what | 22:51 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, maybe the virtual keyboard process is running, do you know the process's name? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's runing, maybe not. who cares? Didn't say you rebooted? | 22:51 |
| compengi | yeah | 22:52 |
| Wizzup | reboot kills all processes | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such process I guess, well not exactly and always at least | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: you're aware you have to click to set focus, so the vkbd pops up? | 22:53 |
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| compengi | DocScrutinizer, of course.. i actually use it more than the hardware keyboard. i tried to tap with my finger and with the stylus in several applications, nothing happened | 22:55 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: no dice :( | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure your links in /etc/rc2|3|4.d look like lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2009-10-30 12:40 S99zzinitdone -> ../init.d/zzinitdone | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 992 2009-10-26 08:41 /etc/init.d/zzinitdone | 22:57 |
| Wizzup | yeah, I used ln -s | 22:57 |
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| Wizzup | The *only* difference is that my ln is an absolute path | 22:58 |
| Wizzup | Whereas theirs is relative | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, noticed that | 22:58 |
| Wizzup | And that can't be it. If that's it, I'll eat something close to me, don't know what yet | 22:58 |
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| Wizzup | Could I use event.d? | 22:59 |
| Wizzup | \o/ | 23:01 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, ah.. it works again after reboot | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you could, but I always felt it's more clumsy | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | really, I don't get it. You have a link in /etc/rc2.d/S99whatever that points to /etc/init.d/foobar which is set 755 and has shebang and yet your file isn't executed at all, not even first line after shebang when you add a `echo xxx >>/root/test` there? | 23:03 |
| Wizzup | no, I added the touch to start() | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | add it before | 23:04 |
| Wizzup | ok,sec | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | to ""main"" | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | event.d seems to work, back to the other method | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | also make sure you got that link in rc2.d, rc3.d, and rc4.d | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | give me a sec | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | and rc5.d | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, nope prolly not | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | hm, but I have the number 5 in there too? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik rc5 is act_dea aka charging | 23:06 |
| Wizzup | oh | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | act_dead | 23:06 |
| Wizzup | heh | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | won't hurt to keep your stuff mounted there, but actually I'd discourrage to add it there | 23:07 |
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| Wizzup | yeah, I removed it | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, this works for a virtually unlimited number of other apps | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you made your call look like /bin/mount ..... ? | 23:08 |
| Wizzup | yes | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm puzzled | 23:09 |
| Wizzup | Let's see if it works now | 23:09 |
| Wizzup | :/ no dice | 23:10 |
| Wizzup | http://paste.villavu.com/show/623/ | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | please use echo, not /bin/touch | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | Hm, perhaps because I don't have a force-reload command? Just wondering, perhaps there's some ``syntax error'' | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | ok | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no parameter check in init | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | ok | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it simply calls all S* with parameter start | 23:12 |
| Wizzup | changed to echo "HI" >> /root/wizzup | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all K* with parameter stop | 23:12 |
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| Wizzup | I've turned it into an echo. Do I need to use /bin/echo or just echo? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | just echo, it's a busybox builtin for all I understand | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | case "$1" in | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | start) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ ! -e /tmp/first-boot-flag-tmp ]; then | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo -n "Starting $DESC: " | 23:15 |
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| Wizzup | I simply don't know anymore | 23:17 |
| Wizzup | event.d worked, so I suppose I could put it in there :/ | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | all I can see is the usuall exit 0 missing at very end of your file | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | eally don't get it | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, bbl | 23:20 |
| Wizzup | thx for the help | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for that | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of course your symlink been absolute rather than relative. If init runs in a chroot or pivotroot (aka initrd), but I think in never did on maemo5... .oO(???) | 23:23 |
| compengi | are there any packages to change the slider type screen unlock to a pattern type? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall somebody hacked sth | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about pattern, but differnet backgrounds, and maybe also different widgets | 23:25 |
| compengi | aha.. can you point it out for me please? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no clue | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | try http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=lock&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same soory for al the blocks and clocks | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't think there's really anything | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but check for yourself | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually changing slider lock to pattern lock doesn't make much sense | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least to me right now | 23:32 |
| compengi | nope.. nothing :/ | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why do you need that? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with slider? | 23:34 |
| compengi | because it's a higher security than a slider and a more confusing and more styler than a code lock | 23:36 |
| compengi | styler/stylish | 23:37 |
| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: any idea how to find free space on drive when the image you suggested doesn't have df? | 23:37 |
| mcepl | somewhere in /proc I guess ... | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compengi: you're aware that he slider unlock as well unlocks with lockslider switch on right side of device? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: ooof | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 23:39 |
| mcepl | ? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nfc | 23:40 |
| infobot | from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue | 23:40 |
| evilbulgarian | anyone have issues with multiboot-kernel-power and the recent upgrade? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: you're lost on intrd? | 23:40 |
| mcepl | lost? I have booted from the image/initrd you suggested, but it is so plain, that its busybox doesn't have even df | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:41 |
| mcepl | and I am too lazy to look for another image :( but I probably will have to. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | suggested method is to first mount some other fs where some proper tools can get started from | 23:42 |
| mcepl | ha, | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never had a look into it, maybe somebody else here can help | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are other gotchas as well, with e.g. missing keys on kbd, like / etc | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: can you help out? | 23:43 |
| mcepl | what's R&D mode? | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it enables root, and also allows you to stop some watchdogs | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | switches on tty console interface on testpoints under bat | 23:44 |
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| mcepl | ok, let's try that ... it cannot be much more useless than this | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't help most probably | 23:45 |
| mcepl | MohammadAG was suggesting it in #maemo-ssu ... | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | try it | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but actually it won't help in itself, maybe one of the watchdog options I always forget their name | 23:47 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, of course it use that too.. but i was thinking of something nicer and more secured | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: mount -t ubifs /dev/mtd4?? /some/local/dir | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PATH=$PATH:/some/local/dir/bin:/some/local/dir/sbin... | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to access the original busybox of maemo, plus other tools | 23:50 |
| Kuka | hello, I have some noob questions about CSSU and v47, will someone help me by pm? | 23:50 |
| mcepl | BTW, the result in R&D mode is the same, except no shaking on bootup | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, plus other funny gimmiks | 23:51 |
| mcepl | Kuka: not by PM, ask here | 23:51 |
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| Kuka | Ok, promise me not to have fun with me. :P | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: try flasher --help and chose that R&D flag that says sth like --no-restart-on-foobar | 23:52 |
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| mcepl | I don't see it here | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 23:53 |
| mcepl | that I had there | 23:53 |
| Kuka | As I read, CSSU is a cool project, which is pure member work. It has things like portraid mode which I need badly, so planning to update to CSSU now. But it was unstable at the beggining. Is it stable now? | 23:53 |
| mcepl | Kuka: it was very stable to me ... until now ;) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kuka: kinda | 23:54 |
| Kuka | O_o why until now? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | because he filled up his / probably, and got a bootloop | 23:54 |
| mcepl | I have now some troubles (might be unrelated to Community SSU image and given by something else) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: you got backups? | 23:55 |
| Kuka | hm.. I am walking on a rope, I will fall to one side but dunno which :) DocS' uncertain answer was strong enough though. Now need some couragement for update to CSSU :S | 23:56 |
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| Kuka | ok, now v47. Same question for that too, I see it has some probs like battery widget is not properly working, and some sms issues. What is con's for v47? Better responsiveness, more coverage area for wifi (was something like that) and? | 23:59 |
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