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| DocScrutinizer | uk and usa have some special bits you prolly don't like to have | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | "You do it to yourself. Just you. And no-one else." | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: anybody ever release some analysis of what those special bits are? | 00:03 |
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| azilot | and what about "Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900" | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Everyone has got special bits! | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | azilot: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10126 | 00:04 |
| pupnik | how many berries is one cow worth | 00:04 |
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| azilot | it`s bulgarian ) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 00:05 |
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| azilot | but you have different options | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: not afaik | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are sometimes problems falshing cmt in US version that don't show on any of the others, so you *might* conclude the modem has some special bits to deal with US radio and GSM madness | 00:07 |
| azilot | DocScrutinizer: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10098?sort=0 Where can i get this applet? | 00:07 |
| azilot | for brightness | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | i can sell it to you for £50 | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | azilot: it appears when booting for first time (esp after battery been removed for longer than your cmos-battery buffers, which is like 10s...several weeks, depending whether it's already broken like on 80% of devices) | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, for brighness | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that simple brightness applet | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you ruined it, i was planning to sell it | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I wondered where and how to trigger this friggin nice time settings widget, which is magnitudes better than the standard hildon one | 00:10 |
| pupnik | no just charge for distribution.. | 00:10 |
| eichi | someone uses a bluetooth headset with n900? which one works okay? and a question: how fast to switch headset and bluetooth on...fast enaugh to answer a call? ;D or just if you start the call? | 00:11 |
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| azilot | i think, bluetooth will drain battery on lightspeed | 00:15 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | hi, if I lzma -9 the maemo zImage, how much space will it still take? | 00:30 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | (I've not maemo installed currently, that's why I ask) | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | probably around the same as it does now | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | If you mean the kernel only | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | yes | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It's already compressred | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | the kernel only | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | with lzma? | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly not. | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | But you won't save tha tmuch. | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | because lzma was added on recent kernel only | 00:31 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I want kexecboot + maemo kernel on its rootfs within the 2M barrier that the n900 has | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you care if you save 100k | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:32 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm | 00:33 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | else there is still a partition in the nand named | 00:33 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | initramfs or something like that | 00:33 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll ask in #meego-arm if they got NAND support on 2.6.38 | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Or SD? | 00:35 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm | 00:35 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | SD will be good for our distro but bad for maemo | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Or 3g? | 00:35 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | lol | 00:35 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi works in 2M of disk | 00:36 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | s/works/fits/ | 00:36 |
| infobot | GNUtoo|laptop meant: I don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi fits in 2M of disk | 00:36 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | the problem is that kexecboot doesn't have ubifs support | 00:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | else it would have been so easy | 00:37 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll ask to kexecboot people | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eichi: I think BT connecting is always too slow to do it prior to accepting an inbound call. And no, actually BT doesn't eat that much battery | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>BT enabled, no headset connected +2 mA with ~1/5 time spikes to +9 mA<< | 01:07 |
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| MohammadAG | BT sucks on the N900 | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't work well with an active WiFi connection | 01:11 |
| azilot | i prefer to speek with wired headphones and phone microphone | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't affect headphones only | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BT vs WLAN conflict is system imanent and depending on hw (2 / 3 wire coexistence) and config, one of both will always suffer when the dominant other tries to use the band | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even a fair scheduling doesn't mean both can coexist and work concurrently without degradation of quality | 01:44 |
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| ShadowJK | they share the antenna and there's a wire connected between the two, iirc | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, the big mystery of N900 BT: there are 4 wires going from WLAN module into a bus, and only 3 arrive at BT | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | WLAN_BT(3:0) but only 0, 1, and 2 go anywehere | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT_TX_CONFX, BT_RF_ALIVE, BT_STATUS | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | last one aka BT_PRIORITY on WLAN | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BT_FREQ enters another universe on its way from WLAN to BT | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The PCB has an imaginary layer. | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yours? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or did t-tan magically resurrect? | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen t-tan | 02:41 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 326d 4h 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 02:42 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 2h 13m 32s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. | 02:42 |
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| Guest40473 | the N8 is symbian, right? | 05:45 |
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| wmarone | yes | 05:52 |
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| Guest40473 | *trying to figure out this new direction nokia is going in | 05:56 |
| Guest40473 | i guess the N8 and it's peers still represent fairly strong sales for symbian | 05:57 |
| wmarone | they're going in whichever way Microsoft points | 05:57 |
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| wmarone | symbian will be around for a while yet, especially on the low end | 05:57 |
| Guest40473 | i got the impression no one really has been embedding symbian in automobiles lately though | 05:57 |
| Guest40473 | favoring linux instead | 05:58 |
| Guest40473 | the way this company ships win7 with an entirely custom interface http://www.exopc.com/en/exopc-slate.php | 05:59 |
| Guest40473 | kind of indicates the direction nokia might be going with win7 | 06:00 |
| wmarone | WP7 is not W7 | 06:00 |
| wmarone | as much "freedom" as MS is purportedly giving Nokia, I suspect it will be less than we imagine | 06:01 |
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| Guest40473 | i believe QT-based symbian app can be run on desktop windows though | 06:04 |
| Guest40473 | nokia seems to suggest a symbian app can be "deployed" on a maemo or meego handset as well | 06:05 |
| Guest40473 | if the nokia windows phone 7 is going to be "distinctive" vs other win7 products | 06:05 |
| Guest40473 | running the entire QT/maemo stack out of the box would be pretty distinctive | 06:06 |
| wmarone | if rebuilt (in both windows/meego cases) | 06:06 |
| wmarone | I doubt MS will allow Qt on WP7 | 06:06 |
| wmarone | it would detract from their push to make people use .NET, and allow an out | 06:07 |
| Guest40473 | .NET is a run time, though | 06:07 |
| Guest40473 | is it not? | 06:07 |
| wmarone | and the maemo stack is irrelevant due to its small size | 06:07 |
| Guest40473 | QT is a native toolkit | 06:07 |
| wmarone | it's a class library that runs on top of the CLR runtime, which basically does what Qt does | 06:07 |
| wmarone | and Microsoft is very opposed to "native" software on WP7 devices | 06:08 |
| Guest40473 | *reads up on wp7 | 06:08 |
| Guest40473 | i guess i assumed wp7 was built around a native windowing toolkit like iOS/qt | 06:08 |
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| wmarone | nope, all about "managed code" | 06:10 |
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| Guest40473 | hm, yeah | 06:28 |
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| Guest40473 | enabling QT on wp7 would involve entirely bypassing the intended phone's runtime | 06:30 |
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| Guest40473 | which could still be done in the name of 'distinctiveness' | 06:30 |
| Guest40473 | but considering how much cold water they've already tossed at the dev community | 06:31 |
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| Guest40473 | it does seem like they plan on relying on microsoft's prebuilt product 100% | 06:31 |
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| Guest40473 | it wouldnt make much sense to quash things now, then surprise announce that they've provided a pathway for QT apps on wp7 | 06:32 |
| Guest40473 | :\ | 06:33 |
| Guest40473 | i suppose anyone shipping in-car computers | 06:33 |
| Guest40473 | will just pick up QT and meego/linux | 06:33 |
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| c2pLaY | hiya | 06:51 |
| c2pLaY | flashing nokia n900 atm | 06:52 |
| c2pLaY | how do i know when its done :x | 06:52 |
| c2pLaY | flashing from windows | 06:52 |
| c2pLaY | ahh shit | 06:53 |
| c2pLaY | i was supposed to do the emmc first i guess | 06:53 |
| c2pLaY | w/e the hell that acronym stands for | 06:53 |
| c2pLaY | i have no idea | 06:53 |
| wmarone | eMMC = embedded multi media card | 06:56 |
| wmarone | basically a hardwired MMC card (which is a standard 90% compatible with the SD card standard) | 06:56 |
| wmarone | and the eMMC in the N900 gives it the 32GB of internal storage | 06:57 |
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| GAN900 | Ari really made a big image shift when he moved to HP. | 07:04 |
| GAN900 | Ari Jaaksi: Tech Bro | 07:04 |
| dangergrrl | ? | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | dangergrrl, Ari Jaaksi, former head of OSSO/Next Generation Software/Maemo Software/Maemo Devices | 07:06 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 07:06 |
| dangergrrl | sorry, i'm ariana strangelove :) | 07:07 |
| dangergrrl | you highlighted me | 07:07 |
| dangergrrl | but i pronounce it the russki way | 07:07 |
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| dangergrrl | stran gull lov | 07:07 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 07:07 |
| c2pLaY | wmarone, thnx | 07:08 |
| c2pLaY | so about how long should it take to flash? | 07:08 |
| GAN900 | 30s or less | 07:08 |
| c2pLaY | :x | 07:08 |
| dangergrrl | one minute or less | 07:08 |
| dangergrrl | last time i did it | 07:08 |
| dangergrrl | but i onlyu flashed root | 07:09 |
| c2pLaY | well it sure it taking a while | 07:09 |
| c2pLaY | i musta messed something up | 07:09 |
| dangergrrl | you did full flash? | 07:09 |
| c2pLaY | im flashing root | 07:09 |
| c2pLaY | put into flash mode | 07:09 |
| dangergrrl | flashing root should be wuick | 07:09 |
| GAN900 | Oh, right CMT | 07:09 |
| GAN900 | CMT takes forever. | 07:09 |
| dangergrrl | full flash has to zero the fatfs | 07:09 |
| c2pLaY | in cmd prompt | 07:09 |
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| c2pLaY | flasher.exe -F image.bin -f | 07:10 |
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| c2pLaY | and my terminal is blinking | 07:11 |
| c2pLaY | but not much else happening | 07:11 |
| yigal | well at least it's responding? | 07:11 |
| c2pLaY | file is in the same location as the flasher exe | 07:11 |
| c2pLaY | lol | 07:11 |
| c2pLaY | guess i should restart | 07:12 |
| GAN900 | OK, 3 machines and 11.04 wont wake from sleep on any of them. | 07:12 |
| c2pLaY | but im scared to screw it up by unplugging it | 07:12 |
| yigal | I'm not used to the WIndows flasher | 07:12 |
| GAN900 | I can't possibly be the only one. . . . | 07:12 |
| yigal | GAN900: #ubuntu | 07:12 |
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| yigal | GAN900: but seriously I'm using 11.04 and sleep is working for me so far, cross fingers | 07:12 |
| GAN900 | yigal, tried early, Was ignored. Just like every other time I've tried #ubuntu. ;) | 07:12 |
| c2pLaY | k | 07:12 |
| c2pLaY | about how long should the emmc take? | 07:13 |
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| c2pLaY | im gonna leave this thing in flash mode | 07:13 |
| c2pLaY | and open another terminal | 07:13 |
| yigal | wmarone: ? like Barnes and Nobles? | 07:13 |
| wmarone | yes | 07:13 |
| yigal | wmarone: sweet them and their color nook | 07:14 |
| wmarone | correct | 07:14 |
| dangergrrl | i use flashed from sabayon linux | 07:14 |
| yigal | I want to get one but I bought an oqo instead | 07:14 |
| wmarone | it'll be sweeter if I can get to the point I can burn Android off it completely | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | c2pLaY: first of all use full-path\to\image.bin | 07:15 |
| yigal | wmarone: it's not that open? | 07:15 |
| c2pLaY | ahh ok | 07:15 |
| c2pLaY | that might be part of the problem | 07:15 |
| wmarone | it's open enough and has a lot in common with the N900 | 07:15 |
| wmarone | SoC wise | 07:15 |
| c2pLaY | so about how long should the emmc take? | 07:15 |
| yigal | wmarone: hmm, I drool then | 07:15 |
| c2pLaY | just so i'll have an idea if i've screwed it up? | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | c2pLaY: less than 2min | 07:16 |
| c2pLaY | kk | 07:16 |
| c2pLaY | i think i got this | 07:16 |
| yigal | I like that enthusiasm | 07:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | plus there's some progress indicator | 07:17 |
| GAN900 | wmarone, MeeGo or? | 07:17 |
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| dangergrrl | btw how is a hacked nook color? | 07:18 |
| yigal | of course | 07:18 |
| wmarone | GAN900: meego of course | 07:18 |
| dangergrrl | can you run meego on it?? | 07:18 |
| wmarone | with luck the SGX drivers will... work | 07:18 |
| wmarone | maybe | 07:18 |
| yigal | if that happens I'm purchasing 1 | 07:18 |
| GAN900 | wmarone, let me know when you get it going. It's drawer fodder for me until Honeycomb AOSP or MeeGo. | 07:18 |
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| yigal | all these silly Android devices with their locked down hardware | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | the nook color i've heard some about | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | supposedly once hacked they are nice | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | i bought the n900 because nokia was doing something cool | 07:19 |
| wmarone | GAN900: I've gotten it to boot to console on the 2.6.29 kernel, but I'm trying to port the drivers and whatnot forward to 2.6.38 so I can be somewhat closer to 2.6.37 | 07:19 |
| yigal | who hasn't, if you're somewhat of a nerd :) | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | then they made a deal with the demon | 07:19 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: true that, double true | 07:20 |
| wmarone | GAN900: no joke, about the only thing I use it for at the moment is either hacking this stuff or for Firefox 4 | 07:20 |
| dangergrrl | don't they know that linux is from finland and windows from seattle? | 07:20 |
| yigal | wmarone: FF4 on Android correct? | 07:20 |
| wmarone | yes | 07:20 |
| yigal | wmarone: right | 07:20 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: I'm from Seattle :( | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | i wish ff4 didn't make my n900 useless | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | sorry yigal | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | i am from houston | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | sorry for me too | 07:21 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: thanks for caring, lol | 07:21 |
| yigal | :) | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | i worked in redmond | 07:21 |
| yigal | how was it? | 07:21 |
| wmarone | see | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | for a co making cell phone data colection hw | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | lynxos | 07:22 |
| yigal | nice | 07:22 |
| dangergrrl | i did scsi and x.25 drivers for them | 07:22 |
| yigal | I'm only starting to realize that I need to work in the tech industry | 07:22 |
| yigal | I got a degree in philosophy, then in physics | 07:22 |
| dangergrrl | multi initiator scsi is tricky | 07:22 |
| dangergrrl | uhm | 07:23 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: I really like scsi | 07:23 |
| yigal | I cam in with a Mac SE | 07:23 |
| dangergrrl | do you know the singularity is near? | 07:23 |
| wmarone | this shit makes me facepalm: http://pastebin.com/jiNVDg27 | 07:23 |
| yigal | singularity as in? | 07:23 |
| dangergrrl | as in we will create a sentient life form capable of improving itself | 07:24 |
| dangergrrl | and boom | 07:24 |
| dangergrrl | we are irrelavent | 07:24 |
| yigal | yes, that will be a beautiful occurance | 07:24 |
| dangergrrl | maybe we will make good pets | 07:24 |
| yigal | most of humanity is irrelavent in the sense I think you're refering to | 07:25 |
| wmarone | we'll make great pets, according to Porno for Pyros | 07:25 |
| yigal | at this moment | 07:25 |
| yigal | lol | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 07:25 |
| yigal | that's a nice song | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | it was an intentional reference | 07:25 |
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| yigal | we'll make great pets, we'll make great pets | 07:25 |
| GAN900 | I'd use it if FBReader had sync | 07:25 |
| yigal | lol | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | i'm a scholar of modern history | 07:25 |
| GAN900 | That'd be perfect. Read Nook at home and N900 everywhere else. | 07:25 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: modern refering to what times? | 07:25 |
| yigal | the here and now? | 07:26 |
| dangergrrl | 1960-today | 07:26 |
| yigal | cool | 07:26 |
| dangergrrl | kennedy forward | 07:26 |
| dangergrrl | and current events are ripe for conspiracy | 07:26 |
| yigal | very interesting times we live in :) Chinese insult | 07:26 |
| yigal | may you live in interesting times | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | why did they kill bin laden? | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | he should have had a trial | 07:27 |
| yigal | because it looks good in the media | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | sorry | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | not for here | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | maybe he knew something | 07:27 |
| yigal | something for everyone to center around | 07:27 |
| yigal | why the twin towers | 07:28 |
| dangergrrl | he was a CIA operative | 07:28 |
| yigal | quite possibly | 07:28 |
| dangergrrl | and i'm not sure he was rogue | 07:28 |
| GAN900 | lol | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | he fit the agenda | 07:29 |
| yigal | where in Texas? | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | me? | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | hutto | 07:29 |
| yigal | yes, of course | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | godawful | 07:29 |
| yigal | just wondering how underrepresented you are | 07:29 |
| yigal | I don't think I could do it | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | i get to try out my 0-60 skills just to get a beer | 07:29 |
| yigal | lol | 07:30 |
| dangergrrl | i'm a transsexual anarchist woman in texas | 07:30 |
| dangergrrl | i am nonrepresented here | 07:30 |
| dangergrrl | thankfully i vote in boulder colorado | 07:30 |
| yigal | well you're 4 sigmas away from the mean, go girl | 07:30 |
| yigal | at least | 07:31 |
| dangergrrl | i actually like jared | 07:31 |
| yigal | in reference to what? | 07:31 |
| yigal | the jewelery? | 07:31 |
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| dangergrrl | jared polis is my congresscreep | 07:31 |
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| yigal | ah, ok | 07:32 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 07:32 |
| yigal | lol | 07:32 |
| dangergrrl | "he went to jared" | 07:32 |
| dangergrrl | no | 07:32 |
| yigal | Princeton man | 07:32 |
| dangergrrl | i have a gay progressive congressman and come from a very forward thinking community | 07:32 |
| dangergrrl | boulder is the smartest city in america | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | forbes says so | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | bs | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | \i know | 07:33 |
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| yigal | that's really insane in Texas | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | how do we take over the world with personal linux handhelds? | 07:33 |
| yigal | joke? | 07:34 |
| dangergrrl | i think android helped more in egypt than maemo | 07:34 |
| dangergrrl | actually serious | 07:34 |
| dangergrrl | crowdsource reality | 07:34 |
| yigal | Android so far is primarily infotainment | 07:34 |
| dangergrrl | al jazeera has crowdsourced news now | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wlan/bt based mesh | 07:35 |
| yigal | that sounds good | 07:35 |
| dangergrrl | if we give the power to the commoners what will they do? | 07:35 |
| dangergrrl | make everything porn? | 07:35 |
| yigal | sex sells | 07:35 |
| yigal | :D | 07:35 |
| dangergrrl | and it is healthy is done responsibly | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | if | 07:37 |
| yigal | then it's great | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | but i fear that much of the public is influenced by murdock | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | i should go kill murloks | 07:38 |
| yigal | murlocks or murdocks? | 07:38 |
| GAN900 | lol, and now it's segfaulting on boot | 07:38 |
| GAN900 | Goooo, Canonical! | 07:38 |
| yigal | GAN900: fsck | 07:39 |
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| dangergrrl | oh wow like double entendre | 07:39 |
| yigal | yep | 07:39 |
| dangergrrl | triple or more? | 07:39 |
| yigal | no I'm not that good | 07:39 |
| dangergrrl | he means ubuntu i think? | 07:39 |
| yigal | fsck him | 07:40 |
| yigal | just fsck him | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | the little critters that gang rape low levels in WoW | 07:40 |
| yigal | man am I going to have hangover tomorrow | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | they are isomorphic to people who watch faux news | 07:40 |
| yigal | lol | 07:41 |
| yigal | I laugh because it's so true | 07:41 |
| dangergrrl | murdocks | 07:41 |
| yigal | ah, yes now I understand | 07:41 |
| RST38h | "Apple fanboys may have religious fervor, but so too does its exchief evangelist Guy Kawasaki, who reckons that Apple's continued existance is evidence that there must be a god." | 07:41 |
| dangergrrl | steve jobs needs to go away | 07:42 |
| RST38h | (sorry for the highlight, not sure what HTML character made it happen) | 07:42 |
| dangergrrl | didn't here | 07:42 |
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| yigal | nope | 07:42 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow how do we get linux handhelds to the masses and will that cause social change? | 07:43 |
| yigal | I just got an email informing me that the new iMac is quad core, wow | 07:43 |
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| yigal | i5 i7 | 07:43 |
| yigal | owell | 07:43 |
| RST38h | dangergreel: you are skipping the most important question. | 07:43 |
| yigal | sorry dangergrrl | 07:43 |
| yigal | RST38h: and that is ... | 07:44 |
| yigal | I wait with open ears | 07:44 |
| RST38h | yigal: "WHY?" | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | i want to know too | 07:44 |
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| yigal | yes! | 07:44 |
| yigal | no what? | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | because i believe people are worth preserving | 07:44 |
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| RST38h | Linux handhelds have nothing to do with the preservation of people | 07:44 |
| yigal | I believe consciousness, intelligence are worth preserving | 07:45 |
| yigal | humans eh | 07:45 |
| RST38h | Neither do they have anything with consciousness and intelligence | 07:45 |
| yigal | lol | 07:45 |
| RST38h | Do not believe me? Check Slashdot comments. | 07:45 |
| dangergrrl | i believe that the machi9nes will have an attachment to their progenitors | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | raspbeery jam to everybody! to save the world | 07:45 |
| dangergrrl | and they will all run nil | 07:45 |
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| yigal | DocScrutinizer51: the same as raspberry? | 07:46 |
| ds3 | dangergrrl: is that before or after skynet gains awareness? | 07:46 |
| yigal | DocScrutinizer51: then I'm all for it | 07:46 |
| dangergrrl | which i have not written yet because i am lazy and need to join acm | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | raspberry | 07:46 |
| yigal | DocScrutinizer51: that's a wonderful wonderful idea | 07:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: In at least one SF book I know about, the raspberry jam came from the sky and teleport whole planet population in unknown direction | 07:47 |
| dangergrrl | the internet already has awareness | 07:47 |
| RST38h | teleported | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ds3: too late, I already took over | 07:47 |
| RST38h | So, do not underestimate =) | 07:47 |
| yigal | this is too berry real for me | 07:48 |
| yigal | RST38h: I asked you question about becoming a software engineer, would you strongly discourage me from getting an MS in computer science to get a job as a software engineer - or anyone else out there =)? | 07:50 |
| dangergrrl | just watch some al jazeera | 07:50 |
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| yigal | I have an MS in physics but I just don't have the contacts necessary to get a job | 07:50 |
| ds3 | get a MSEE | 07:50 |
| ds3 | MSCS is a joke | 07:50 |
| yigal | ds3: but I want to be a software developer not a hardware guru | 07:51 |
| ds3 | don't matter | 07:51 |
| yigal | ds3: hmm> | 07:51 |
| ds3 | learn the real stuff | 07:51 |
| yigal | ;D | 07:51 |
| ds3 | MSCS is about writing huge bloated code because it is 'correct'; MSEE guys write tiny working code. | 07:51 |
| dangergrrl | yigal: what country? | 07:51 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: I live in California | 07:52 |
| dangergrrl | i recommend boulder colorado | 07:52 |
| dangergrrl | nist is hiring i think | 07:52 |
| yigal | hmm | 07:52 |
| dangergrrl | dept of commerce | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: heh! | 07:52 |
| William_Conquero | Hello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power? Or that module already comiled if it exists ? | 07:53 |
| dangergrrl | they have made the most signifigant discoveries of late | 07:53 |
| dangergrrl | einstein bose condensate | 07:53 |
| dangergrrl | and proof of the gravity effect on time | 07:54 |
| dangergrrl | from like a 1m distance | 07:54 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: I don't like physics too many people just doing poor science and getting funding for it | 07:54 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: It's time to get good at coding, something I really love | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | but the truth is out there! | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | it actually is | 07:55 |
| yigal | dangergrrl: thx ;D | 07:55 |
| yigal | yes | 07:55 |
| yigal | depending on what questions one has | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | some things are indeterminant | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | and important | 07:55 |
| yigal | allowing for freedom of a sort | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like Friday | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | that's why we need to learn to manipulate them from afar | 07:55 |
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| dangergrrl | i want a us troop withdrawal from afghanistan | 07:56 |
| yigal | yes, that's apparently a logical thought, regardless of what the powers at be want to do | 07:57 |
| RST38h | yigal: I won't | 07:59 |
| RST38h | too many people just doing poor <coding> and getting funding for it =) | 07:59 |
| yigal | RST38h: :D | 07:59 |
| RST38h | (inser your own word into angular brackets) | 07:59 |
| yigal | I need connections, and all of the internships I've found tell me I have to be a full time student at some institution | 08:00 |
| yigal | so that an MS becomes a vehicle to a job | 08:01 |
| yigal | when I did my MS I did very well academically but I didn't take crap from anyone and that burnt major bridges | 08:01 |
| yigal | 4.0 1500GRE but I can only ask 2 people for a recomendation, anyways we are all different, I'm not genius and I want a job thanks for the help | 08:03 |
| yigal | so where is the raspberry jam? | 08:03 |
| dangergrrl | have you tried techtronix? | 08:06 |
| dangergrrl | or bell labs? | 08:06 |
| dangergrrl | you must enroll in a phd program for either | 08:06 |
| yigal | hmm | 08:06 |
| dangergrrl | tek would likely take you in portland | 08:07 |
| yigal | I'll check it out | 08:07 |
| dangergrrl | they have magic money | 08:07 |
| yigal | I like Oregon | 08:07 |
| dangergrrl | they own the hdtv patents | 08:07 |
| yigal | oh | 08:07 |
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| dangergrrl | and they are in beaverton not portland in actuality | 08:08 |
| dangergrrl | near wher i worked in hillsboro | 08:08 |
| dangergrrl | jones farm 1 | 08:08 |
| yigal | I'm pretty much a hippy, as long as I can work on pen and paper problems and chillax I'm good | 08:09 |
| yigal | not sure if that makes sense, I'm sorry for making this about me | 08:09 |
| yigal | s/hippy/huge nerd | 08:10 |
| dangergrrl | same thing i think | 08:10 |
| dangergrrl | i am going to the rainbow in washington state in june | 08:10 |
| yigal | right on | 08:11 |
| dangergrrl | i believe in peace | 08:11 |
| dangergrrl | the alternative seems stupid | 08:11 |
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| dangergrrl | war | 08:11 |
| yigal | yes, :D | 08:11 |
| dangergrrl | what is it good for | 08:11 |
| dangergrrl | absolutely nothing | 08:11 |
| yigal | heehee | 08:12 |
| yigal | true that double true | 08:12 |
| dangergrrl | that song is older than me i think | 08:12 |
| dangergrrl | we need to come together as friends and figure out how we all can be healthy and productive and free | 08:13 |
| yigal | 1969 | 08:13 |
| RST38h | the alternative is to kill ourselves and save the environment | 08:13 |
| yigal | :D | 08:13 |
| RST38h | you do want to save the environment, don't you? | 08:13 |
| yigal | 1 with the Universe that's all we have to be, damn I'm drunk | 08:15 |
| pupnik__ | dangergrrl: that 'we' is the dangerous part of your brain | 08:15 |
| yigal | Jungian collective unconsciousness | 08:16 |
| yigal | let's do it | 08:16 |
| Tronic | RST38h: I think that is rather harsh. Maybe we could simply moderate our breathing to cut the exhaling CO2 emissions? | 08:16 |
| c2pLaY | man :( | 08:16 |
| c2pLaY | flashing emmc | 08:16 |
| yigal | breathe out to a plant | 08:16 |
| c2pLaY | paths have been specifiec | 08:16 |
| c2pLaY | but i can't tell if its working or not | 08:16 |
| c2pLaY | just got this phone | 08:16 |
| yigal | c2pLaY: why do you give us programming problems when we're drunk on love | 08:16 |
| yigal | jk | 08:16 |
| dangergrrl | RST38h: you are making an irrational argument | 08:17 |
| c2pLaY | :( | 08:17 |
| c2pLaY | i don't have much time | 08:17 |
| yigal | c2pLaY: oh | 08:17 |
| c2pLaY | full time job | 08:17 |
| yigal | sorry | 08:17 |
| pupnik__ | You should see how the logic of 'we' ends up | 08:17 |
| dangergrrl | part of healthy is to not corrupt the biosphere | 08:17 |
| yigal | +1 | 08:17 |
| dangergrrl | when i say we i mean me | 08:17 |
| yigal | -1 | 08:17 |
| yigal | :D | 08:18 |
| dangergrrl | sorry i am an empress | 08:18 |
| dangergrrl | i rule the orion arm of the milky way | 08:18 |
| dangergrrl | just these softskulls do not recognizse me | 08:19 |
| dangergrrl | fiction | 08:19 |
| c2pLaY | i got 2 cursors blinking around in my command prompt | 08:20 |
| c2pLaY | is that a good thing :( | 08:20 |
| c2pLaY | sry to break up the convo tho :( | 08:20 |
| dangergrrl | but my delusions of grandeur nonwithstiding | 08:20 |
| dangergrrl | humans need to realize we are one and stop killing | 08:20 |
| dangergrrl | osama bin laden was part of me and you | 08:20 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: I am making a completely rational argument, just not a human-centricone | 08:21 |
| dangergrrl | i am a humanist | 08:22 |
| dangergrrl | we are what can change the universe through intent | 08:22 |
| dangergrrl | i don't know that yhere are nonhumans who can | 08:22 |
| ruskie | to early for philosophy... | 08:23 |
| dangergrrl | are you soviet? | 08:24 |
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| ruskie | what makes you think that | 08:25 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: of course they are | 08:25 |
| dangergrrl | do you participate in lenin's day of cleaning? | 08:25 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: ants, for example | 08:25 |
| c2pLaY | soviet or communist? | 08:25 |
| ruskie | what's that? | 08:25 |
| c2pLaY | you probably meant communist right? | 08:25 |
| dangergrrl | no i meant soviet | 08:25 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | what about commonism? | 08:25 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: corals, | 08:25 |
| dangergrrl | there was a day of cleaning last week in moscow | 08:25 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: bats and birds with their massive dropping deposits, they all change the world | 08:26 |
| dangergrrl | started by nicholai lenie | 08:26 |
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| dangergrrl | lenin | 08:26 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow prove they have intent | 08:26 |
| RST38h | they do not change the universe, but neither do humans :) | 08:26 |
| dangergrrl | humans do | 08:26 |
| RST38h | ants definitely have intent to build housing for themselves=) | 08:27 |
| dangergrrl | we have a little toy car or three on mars | 08:27 |
| dangergrrl | nasa is a joke | 08:27 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | what lenin did wasn't communism, it was tirany | 08:27 |
| pupnik__ | GNUtoo|laptop: maybe the two are the same thing | 08:27 |
| * RST38h sighs: Westerners and their perception of Lenin... | 08:27 | |
| c2pLaY | that or marxism | 08:27 |
| c2pLaY | but we're being a bit picky aren't we | 08:28 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I don't think he followed marksism | 08:28 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and we aren't in capitalism either now | 08:28 |
| dangergrrl | lenin is my hero | 08:28 |
| c2pLaY | :/ | 08:28 |
| doc|home | which just goes to show, some people never learn | 08:28 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | s/either/anymore/ | 08:28 |
| infobot | GNUtoo|laptop meant: and we aren't in capitalism anymore now | 08:28 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: You can always come here and admire the corpse! | 08:28 |
| ruskie | GNUtoo|laptop, sadly we are in capitalism | 08:28 |
| doc|home | GNUtoo|laptop: very true | 08:28 |
| pupnik__ | there is no such thing as capitalism | 08:28 |
| doc|home | ruskie: this is not capitalism. | 08:28 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | capitalism is about capital, we're in something else where there is finance, protection of monopolism etc... | 08:29 |
| c2pLaY | i'd call it an oligarchy actually | 08:29 |
| pupnik__ | you might as well say we have 'laborism' | 08:29 |
| pupnik__ | or 'machinism' | 08:29 |
| c2pLaY | its gone beyond capitalism | 08:29 |
| doc|home | ruskie: when you can be made/destroyed by a government, it's not capitalism | 08:29 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | indeed | 08:29 |
| pupnik__ | capital is just one essential ingredient of economic production | 08:29 |
| doc|home | c2pLaY: or hasn't gotten to that far yet | 08:29 |
| doc|home | what we have now is practically fascism | 08:29 |
| doc|home | states control a lot of production through private companies | 08:29 |
| c2pLaY | corporatism? | 08:29 |
| RST38h | are you guys all talking about the same place?>\ =) | 08:30 |
| ruskie | no clue | 08:30 |
| c2pLaY | lol no | 08:30 |
| ruskie | I'm confused as well | 08:30 |
| doc|home | c2pLaY: sure, though in case you forget, corporations are, by definition, government entities. | 08:30 |
| pupnik__ | c2pLaY: corporatism is a word with a well-defined meaning | 08:30 |
| dangergrrl | he was faulty | 08:30 |
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| c2pLaY | i think we're referring to western civilization in general | 08:30 |
| c2pLaY | im in canada | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Corporations are NOT, by definition, gvernment entities. | 08:30 |
| dangergrrl | if corporations are government entities we live in a soviet state | 08:30 |
| c2pLaY | there's some small differences | 08:30 |
| c2pLaY | but not really | 08:31 |
| doc|home | RST38h: yes, they are. | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Some pretty much are, nowadays, but not by definition | 08:31 |
| c2pLaY | maybe totalitarianism would be a better term | 08:31 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl<-- never lived in a soviet state =) | 08:31 |
| dangergrrl | do you have a choice in government? | 08:31 |
| c2pLaY | either way we're all scewed | 08:31 |
| doc|home | RST38h: they're not government run, but corporations are organisations that come about due to government requirements/incentives. Look up the history of "corporation". | 08:31 |
| RST38h | no | 08:32 |
| dangergrrl | i got a choice between a man who promised 100 years of war and a man who lied through his teeth about what he would do | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | unless people start kicking out the bums and voting in the right representitives | 08:32 |
| doc|home | RST38h: no to ? | 08:32 |
| pupnik__ | right dangergrrl | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | heh | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | yeah the choices aren't that great | 08:32 |
| RST38h | A corporation is a way for a business owner to protect himself from the risks related to the running of business | 08:32 |
| dangergrrl | and satrah palin | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | in a majority of situations | 08:32 |
| dangergrrl | she scared me | 08:32 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Take the Sarah, for the LULZ! | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | lol | 08:32 |
| c2pLaY | sure | 08:33 |
| doc|home | RST38h: that's an incentive, but not the only one, and definitely not the originating one. | 08:33 |
| c2pLaY | corporations shouldn't be liable? | 08:33 |
| c2pLaY | is that really what ur saying? | 08:33 |
| c2pLaY | you don't actually believe that do you? | 08:33 |
| RST38h | doc: It is a legal incentive, but it does not make corp a government entity, sorry | 08:33 |
| RST38h | c2play: No | 08:33 |
| dangergrrl | we should al be liable | 08:33 |
| doc|home | RST38h: you haven't looked up the history, have you? | 08:33 |
| c2pLaY | kk just making sure | 08:33 |
| pupnik__ | there was a great choice in 2007 | 08:33 |
| RST38h | c2play: What I am saying is that a business owner is not PERSONALLY liable for the losses accrued by his incorporated business | 08:33 |
| doc|home | RST38h: "A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members." | 08:34 |
| dangergrrl | i take responsibility for my actions | 08:34 |
| dangergrrl | should not you? | 08:34 |
| RST38h | doc: Ok, and where is the government here? | 08:34 |
| dangergrrl | union carbide | 08:34 |
| doc|home | RST38h: given "legal" = what the governments decide is law, that makes it a government (perhaps I should have added designated?) entity. | 08:34 |
| * RST38h sighs again | 08:34 | |
| dangergrrl | should they pay 5mil? | 08:34 |
| RST38h | doc: You have got a driver's license, haven'tyou? | 08:34 |
| dangergrrl | or more perhaps? | 08:34 |
| doc|home | RST38h: no | 08:34 |
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| c2pLaY | the corporatoins and government are on the same team | 08:34 |
| RST38h | doc: Ok. Got a passport then? | 08:35 |
| doc|home | c2pLaY: many are | 08:35 |
| doc|home | RST38h: yes | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | should union carbide pay the people in india they injured? | 08:35 |
| c2pLaY | so they pretty much are part of the government | 08:35 |
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| c2pLaY | now | 08:35 |
| c2pLaY | not officially | 08:35 |
| c2pLaY | but that's the way it is | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | they don't | 08:35 |
| RST38h | doc:Nice. Passport makes you a legal entity, acting under the laws of the state which issued you a passport | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | yes men | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | is a great film | 08:35 |
| c2pLaY | it was entertaining for sure | 08:35 |
| c2pLaY | that phoney news conference was the best part for sure | 08:36 |
| c2pLaY | i was loling so hard | 08:36 |
| dangergrrl | and they were morally right | 08:36 |
| doc|home | RST38h: I don't see a parallel. | 08:36 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: I think Union Carbide should detonate whatever they release into atmosphere, with a huge bang and flash that can be seen from space | 08:36 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: For the LULZ | 08:36 |
| doc|home | RST38h: I'm still an individual, I just hold a passport from my country. | 08:36 |
| dangergrrl | no for the principals | 08:36 |
| dangergrrl | les? | 08:36 |
| doc|home | RST38h: corporations are not the same. They are separate entities. | 08:36 |
| ruskie | just like you are a separate entity | 08:37 |
| dangergrrl | is microsoft bill gates? | 08:37 |
| dangergrrl | is whoracle larry ellison? | 08:37 |
| c2pLaY | corporations were created with jurisdiction in mind | 08:37 |
| RST38h | doc: so are you | 08:37 |
| c2pLaY | its all about contracts | 08:37 |
| dangergrrl | those people are outside the law | 08:37 |
| doc|home | RST38h: what? | 08:37 |
| c2pLaY | and law | 08:37 |
| c2pLaY | that's why your name on your drivers licence | 08:38 |
| c2pLaY | is all capital letters | 08:38 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Bonus points for radioactive pollution, sufficient to scare humans off, yet insufficient to seriously harmthe wildlife | 08:38 |
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| c2pLaY | cause you are a fictional corporate entity | 08:38 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow i was trying to tal about how we can bring freedom to the world with handsets | 08:38 |
| RST38h | doc: you are a separate legal entity | 08:38 |
| c2pLaY | under maritime jurisdiciton | 08:38 |
| doc|home | c2pLaY: it's still you though, it's not the license itself that's the entity. | 08:38 |
| RST38h | doc: if you kill someone, YOU get prosecuted, not your family or school or city | 08:38 |
| doc|home | RST38h: yes, and the license doesn't change that. | 08:38 |
| dangergrrl | my name is legally all lowercase | 08:38 |
| c2pLaY | you are correct doc | 08:38 |
| RST38h | Hence: SEPARATE legal entity | 08:38 |
| c2pLaY | but there are two different entities | 08:39 |
| doc|home | RST38h: separate from what? the passport changes nothing | 08:39 |
| dangergrrl | and spelled with alpha | 08:39 |
| c2pLaY | the human being and the fictional entity | 08:39 |
| c2pLaY | yes they are very seperate | 08:39 |
| RST38h | doc: Separate from other legal entities of course, same as any corporation in fact | 08:39 |
| c2pLaY | except for in criminal matters im pretty sure | 08:39 |
| RST38h | dangegrrl: no digits though? | 08:40 |
| doc|home | RST38h: that doesn't make any sense. A corporation is separate from its owners. | 08:40 |
| doc|home | as you said. | 08:40 |
| dangergrrl | alpha r i alpha na | 08:40 |
| RST38h | doc: correct. so what? | 08:40 |
| c2pLaY | or maybe criminal law applies to common law jurisdiction | 08:40 |
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| doc|home | RST38h: so it's not the same. I am not separate from my passport. | 08:40 |
| dangergrrl | no but i am into body mod | 08:40 |
| doc|home | my passport is not an entity in its own right. | 08:40 |
| c2pLaY | you are seperate from your passport | 08:40 |
| RST38h | doc: Your passport is not a separate legal entity. It is a document, a piece of paper | 08:40 |
| dangergrrl | i think i will get magnets in my fingers soon | 08:41 |
| doc|home | RST38h: that's what I've been saying since the very beginning!! :) | 08:41 |
| c2pLaY | cause you can choose when to be an "individual" and or " fictional entity" | 08:41 |
| doc|home | RST38h: so they are not parallels! | 08:41 |
| doc|home | RST38h: anyway, time for me to eat. | 08:41 |
| RST38h | doc: But YOU are a separate legal entity. So is a corporation. | 08:41 |
| RST38h | Your passport is the proof of you being a separate legal entity | 08:41 |
| c2pLaY | RST38h is correct | 08:41 |
| RST38h | For the coporation, the proof is probably going to be the rules of incorporation or something | 08:42 |
| doc|home | RST38h: I am a person. I can not be dissolved, or created. A corporation can. It is not the same thing. | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Also a piece of paper, when it comes down to it | 08:42 |
| RST38h | doc: Of course you can be dissolved | 08:42 |
| doc|home | RST38h: a corporation only exists because a government permits it to. By definition. | 08:42 |
| doc|home | what? how? | 08:42 |
| RST38h | doc: plenty of ways to do that | 08:42 |
| RST38h | doc: various chemicals mostly | 08:42 |
| ruskie | hehe | 08:42 |
| c2pLaY | disolved isn't the same as dead | 08:43 |
| doc|home | RST38h: I live in a civilised country where they don't do that kind of thing :P | 08:43 |
| doc|home | brb | 08:43 |
| RST38h | c2play: no, but there is an arrow there | 08:43 |
| c2pLaY | but depends on which jurisdiction you are talking about | 08:43 |
| RST38h | doc: Unless they absolutely need it of course. | 08:43 |
| c2pLaY | a natural person cannot be disolved | 08:43 |
| c2pLaY | just dead | 08:43 |
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| c2pLaY | :) | 08:43 |
| c2pLaY | like kennedy | 08:44 |
| yigal | it's a bit unsettling when one does as well at chess drunk if not better than one is sober | 08:44 |
| c2pLaY | 0_o | 08:44 |
| yigal | I must relax | 08:44 |
| dangergrrl | yigal: i suck at chess | 08:45 |
| dangergrrl | how about spades? | 08:45 |
| RST38h | yigal: think of the giraffes. the color. the neck. the spots. | 08:45 |
| * RST38h goes to work. Screw the giraffes. | 08:46 | |
| yigal | err, .. lol | 08:46 |
| dangergrrl | i would love a 4 player spades now | 08:46 |
| dangergrrl | i have never done bridge | 08:46 |
| yigal | I here that it can be quite a complex adventure | 08:46 |
| dangergrrl | supposed to be more computational than chess | 08:47 |
| yigal | well then there's Go | 08:47 |
| yigal | the master of these types of games, I'm not so good at that | 08:47 |
| dangergrrl | which is deceptivly simple | 08:47 |
| yigal | as is so much of the good stuff | 08:48 |
| dangergrrl | spades is an emotional play in person | 08:48 |
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| dangergrrl | you read your partner | 08:48 |
| yigal | I like games, they rock | 08:48 |
| yigal | how many pages/minutes jk | 08:48 |
| dangergrrl | i lijke partner games | 08:49 |
| yigal | ya it's a great way to learn to work together | 08:49 |
| dangergrrl | btw the finns are the most lethal army | 08:49 |
| yigal | how do you make that assesment | 08:49 |
| doc|home | 50 year old statistics need not apply! | 08:50 |
| dangergrrl | finns vs stalin 1939 winter war | 08:50 |
| * doc|home saw that coming | 08:50 | |
| dangergrrl | so you win | 08:50 |
| yigal | lol | 08:50 |
| doc|home | the russians didn't have nukes in 39 | 08:50 |
| yigal | guerilla war | 08:50 |
| dangergrrl | they still beat 100:1 | 08:50 |
| yigal | locals got home team advtange | 08:50 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: that's nothing compared to what a few nukes can do :) | 08:50 |
| dangergrrl | nukes are off the table | 08:51 |
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| doc|home | nonsense | 08:51 |
| doc|home | nukes are never off the table | 08:51 |
| dangergrrl | fighting is off the table for me | 08:51 |
| doc|home | so your deadliness ratio is 0:1, with you being the 1 they get :) | 08:51 |
| yigal | as has already been mentioned a thousand times over the firebombing in WW2 was far more damaging than nukes for Nihon | 08:51 |
| dangergrrl | you want to hurt me? | 08:52 |
| yigal | ;D | 08:52 |
| dangergrrl | i will not resist | 08:52 |
| dangergrrl | so what | 08:52 |
| doc|home | yigal: not on a per bomb basis :) | 08:52 |
| dangergrrl | kmfdm | 08:52 |
| yigal | 4 sure | 08:52 |
| yigal | good band | 08:53 |
| yigal | ? | 08:53 |
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| dangergrrl | seattle | 08:55 |
| yigal | when? | 08:55 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow what news should i watch? | 08:55 |
| dangergrrl | they moved to seatlle | 08:55 |
| dangergrrl | like 10 years ago | 08:56 |
| yigal | there are many "news" media sources | 08:56 |
| yigal | kpfa or kpfk are fun | 08:56 |
| dangergrrl | i like rt | 08:56 |
| yigal | I think you would like them | 08:56 |
| dangergrrl | kpft | 08:56 |
| yigal | yep | 08:56 |
| yigal | for CA | 08:56 |
| dangergrrl | i grew up on kpft | 08:56 |
| dangergrrl | houston | 08:57 |
| yigal | kpfa is the first pacifica, berekley | 08:57 |
| yigal | kpfa 2nd in los angeles | 08:57 |
| dangergrrl | kpfk is la? | 08:57 |
| yigal | and then it spread | 08:57 |
| yigal | yep | 08:57 |
| dangergrrl | peace | 08:57 |
| yigal | peace | 08:57 |
| dangergrrl | at any cost | 08:57 |
| yigal | in love's name | 08:57 |
| dangergrrl | would you love hitler? | 08:58 |
| dangergrrl | or obama? | 08:58 |
| yigal | hypothetical question to a Jew | 08:58 |
| yigal | yes I love all | 08:58 |
| dangergrrl | what he does is wrong | 08:58 |
| yigal | love isn't right or wrong | 08:58 |
| doc|home | it's blind | 08:59 |
| yigal | wrong is wrong and right is right and they are unrelated to love | 08:59 |
| dangergrrl | osama deserved the light of truth | 08:59 |
| yigal | it's universeal | 08:59 |
| doc|home | all he got was the light from a flash of a muzzle | 08:59 |
| dangergrrl | and that was unrighteous | 08:59 |
| doc|home | meh, righteousness is overrated for mass murderers | 09:00 |
| dangergrrl | obama is a mass murderer | 09:00 |
| yigal | complexity is unrelated to mass adoption | 09:00 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: no argument here | 09:00 |
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| dangergrrl | bush too | 09:00 |
| doc|home | agreed | 09:00 |
| dangergrrl | why are we different? | 09:00 |
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| doc|home | dangergrrl: dunno about you, but I'm not a mass murderer | 09:01 |
| dangergrrl | i am not either | 09:01 |
| dangergrrl | i may be a rapist | 09:01 |
| dangergrrl | we are all somewhat evil | 09:01 |
| yigal | bush pretended to be an idiot and gave up his chance for me to respect him | 09:01 |
| dangergrrl | but i do not believe in original sin | 09:01 |
| dangergrrl | bush lied | 09:02 |
| dangergrrl | people died | 09:02 |
| dangergrrl | obama lied too though | 09:02 |
| yigal | how dare a person pretend to be an idiot and start a war, when he isn't | 09:02 |
| yigal | of course both are at fault for this | 09:02 |
| yigal | what's to do | 09:02 |
| yigal | ? | 09:02 |
| dangergrrl | and he covered up bush lie by killing the evidence | 09:02 |
| dangergrrl | bush brought down the wtc | 09:03 |
| yigal | obama the lesser of 2 evils Cheney/Palin vs. Obama? | 09:03 |
| yigal | never a reasonable choice | 09:03 |
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| dangergrrl | his best friend is osama bin laden brother | 09:04 |
| dangergrrl | jello for president | 09:04 |
| dangergrrl | my homeboy | 09:04 |
| dangergrrl | but he does not run | 09:05 |
| dangergrrl | he sponsors nader | 09:05 |
| yigal | how related are Bush and Obama? | 09:05 |
| dangergrrl | y | 09:05 |
| dangergrrl | very | 09:05 |
| doc|home | yigal: same father, and mother | 09:05 |
| kerio | yigal: they were US presidents at some point in their life | 09:05 |
| yigal | lol | 09:05 |
| dangergrrl | not true | 09:05 |
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| doc|home | but ssshhh, don't tell the demopublicans | 09:05 |
| yigal | no no, 11th cousins ok | 09:05 |
| dangergrrl | same falsehoods | 09:05 |
| yigal | still a bit odd | 09:05 |
| doc|home | indeed | 09:06 |
| doc|home | yigal: politically speaking, they could be twins | 09:06 |
| dangergrrl | we deserve better | 09:06 |
| kerio | so why do you keep voting them | 09:06 |
| chx | if you believe that policitcally Obama and Bush could be twins I feel pity for you | 09:06 |
| dangergrrl | doc|home: none observes that but amy goodman | 09:06 |
| yigal | we deserve someone with an iq of 180 who is interested in world peace but we're not going to get it without a fight, and do we really want an oligarchy anyways | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | they both represent opression of the lower class | 09:07 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: plenty observe that, though I'm no fan of amy goodman either personally. Not since she started inviting Naomi Klein onto the show. What a moron. | 09:07 |
| doc|home | chx: really, then where's the change? | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | amy tells truth | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | who do you believe? | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | glenn beck? | 09:07 |
| chx | doc|home: there has been change even if not enough. it's slow hard work. | 09:08 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: thanks for the assumptions. Much appreciated. | 09:08 |
| dangergrrl | no i assume nothing | 09:08 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: you just did. | 09:08 |
| dangergrrl | but what did she do wrong? | 09:08 |
| doc|home | chx: like the troops being taken out of iraq, and the closing of gitmo? How about the patriot act? wait, no, he voted *for* that. Erm... erm... hmmm... | 09:08 |
| yigal | I believe Beck Hansen | 09:08 |
| dangergrrl | glenn beck is obviously an idot | 09:09 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: naomi klein is more than enough | 09:09 |
| dangergrrl | what did naomi say? | 09:09 |
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| doc|home | dangergrrl: and there's the guy who wrote the blackwater book whose name I can't remember offhand. Talk about a weird way of viewing things. A company funded by the government is somehow an example of what private security would be?! | 09:10 |
| dangergrrl | ino amy is not impartial | 09:10 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: aye | 09:10 |
| dangergrrl | she is partial to my views | 09:10 |
| dangergrrl | wisconsin is a mess | 09:10 |
| doc|home | anyway, eating time. bye | 09:10 |
| yigal | peace | 09:11 |
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| dangergrrl | we need socialixation | 09:11 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: you really don't. | 09:11 |
| dangergrrl | i should try sleep(0) | 09:11 |
| dangergrrl | yes | 09:11 |
| dangergrrl | we need bandwidth | 09:11 |
| dangergrrl | madnated | 09:12 |
| doc|home | no you don't | 09:12 |
| dangergrrl | 1 gb | 09:12 |
| doc|home | you *want* bandwidth | 09:12 |
| yigal | ;) | 09:12 |
| doc|home | need != want | 09:12 |
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| dangergrrl | no we need | 09:12 |
| doc|home | why? | 09:12 |
| dangergrrl | democracy and freedom need it | 09:12 |
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| doc|home | I want 1gb, but you know what, I won't pay for it. Why? it's not worth it. 10mb is more than enough... | 09:12 |
| dangergrrl | so i can watch my heroine live in hd | 09:12 |
| doc|home | so why expect everyone else pay for it? | 09:12 |
| doc|home | dangergrrl: you can do that on 10mb | 09:13 |
| dangergrrl | it should be avail | 09:13 |
| dangergrrl | chatanooga has 1gb | 09:13 |
| doc|home | also, watching your heroine is a want, not a need | 09:13 |
| dangergrrl | cost 350/mp | 09:13 |
| dangergrrl | o | 09:14 |
| * doc|home gone | 09:14 | |
| dangergrrl | anyhow amy is sweet | 09:14 |
| dangergrrl | love her | 09:14 |
| dangergrrl | and she plays on n900 | 09:14 |
| dangergrrl | \so we should make a 1000 tablet | 09:14 |
| dangergrrl | needs 8gb ram | 09:15 |
| dangergrrl | handheld | 09:15 |
| dangergrrl | runs gebtoo | 09:15 |
| dangergrrl | gentoo | 09:16 |
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| Mece | hey, anyone here work with qml on mac? | 10:18 |
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| RST38h | back | 11:03 |
| RST38h | anything important? | 11:03 |
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| RST38h | hey wazd, how are things | 11:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya :) Workin' hard on my presentation :) | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ah, isn't it going to be interactive? =) | 11:17 |
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| crashanddie | "Dude, did I hear you talk to your weed?" "Yeah" "Haha, does it have a name?" "Q'ran" "Haha... Wait... what? Why?" "Cuz when you burn and smoke it, you get stoned." | 11:30 |
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| chem|st | morning | 11:34 |
| chem|st | hey crashanddie long time no see | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | yeah, been busy | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | how's you, chem|st? | 11:35 |
| chem|st | fine | 11:35 |
| chem|st | like in I am ready to shoot a bullet in my head but still try to get over these QM forms | 11:36 |
| chem|st | but fine ;) | 11:36 |
| chem|st | an you? what kept you busy so long | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | work :) | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | Life. | 11:36 |
| chem|st | reminds me to buy the t-shirt reading "what for this shit I logged off?" | 11:37 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I hope not :D | 11:58 |
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| wazd | RST38h: don't have enough time to make interactive demos :( | 11:59 |
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| Khertan1 | Morning | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: No, I thought you were going to ask for UI designs from the audience and work through them? | 12:20 |
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| wazd | RST38h: Nope, the idea is to tell about latest trends in UI/UX using existing community software :) | 12:24 |
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| wazd | RST38h: for example: http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1105/46/f461a91955e5.jpg (wip) | 12:27 |
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| wazd | RST38h: Ed Page's audiobook player :) | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: ! | 12:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Does it run under Maemo5? =) | 12:28 |
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| wazd | RST38h: it only runs under photoshop currently :) | 12:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: but I don't see a big problem to run it under m5 :) | 12:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: As long as Photoshop runs there, indeed =) | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: 4.8" Acer phone hits the FCC | 12:32 |
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| ShadowJK | 4.8? awesome :) | 12:36 |
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| pupcow | PID PPID USER STAT RSS %MEM %CPU COMMAND | 12:38 |
| pupcow | 16515 16514 user R 24672 10.0 16.3 ./daimonin --server=1 | 12:38 |
| pupcow | WINNING!!!!! | 12:38 |
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| joga | winning what? | 12:42 |
| joga | you mean running the daimonin server on fone? ;) | 12:42 |
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| pupcow | joga no, client | 13:45 |
| pupcow | idling at about 22.2% atm, 305mA current drain | 13:46 |
| pupcow | i have no idea how it got below 20 | 13:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | hawt. | 13:47 |
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| Hukka | Is there a way to prevent "pocket blank", that is the display won't activate when receiving a call, if it's in a pocket? | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | what's daimonin? | 13:50 |
| pupcow | a simple online roguelike with decent looking isometric graphics | 13:50 |
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| ShadowJK | 305mA sounds high :) | 13:51 |
| pupcow | if i let it run full-bore it pulls 470 mA | 13:51 |
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| pupcow | been at it a couple of weeks to get it down from 370 :/ | 13:51 |
| pupcow | now it's back around 330 | 13:51 |
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| pupcow | even if i reduce screen updates to 1 fps it still wants to pull 280mA | 13:54 |
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| robbiethe1st | 'Cause it's not the CPU that uses power, realy | 13:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Screen uses /far/ more | 13:54 |
| pupcow | bout 120 mA atm | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupcow: powertop | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn - I need to finish this | 13:56 |
| pupcow | what do you think i can learn from powertop | 13:57 |
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| pupcow | how much the backlight is using? | 13:57 |
| pupcow | tell me SpeedEvil | 13:57 |
| pupcow | i know how much the backlight is using | 13:57 |
| pupcow | so tell me | 13:57 |
| pupcow | btw powertop segfaults here | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | Hukka: what are you trying to achive? | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The power used on the backlight is essentially negligable usually if you have it set to the dimmest | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | see 'advanced backlight widget' | 13:59 |
| chem|st | pupcow: powertop wfm | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or whatever it's called | 13:59 |
| pupcow | wow, so is my car if i don't drive it | 13:59 |
| Hukka | chem|st: I have a transparent pocket that the proximity sensor sees as opaque. I can operate the phone just fine through it, but when I'm called the screen does not activate | 13:59 |
| Hukka | chem|st: If there was a way to enable/disable that, I could use it when I put my phone in the pocket and take it out | 14:00 |
| chem|st | pupcow: from powertop you can learn in more detail what exactly is using the 330mA | 14:00 |
| pupcow | for example what | 14:00 |
| pupcow | powertop segfaults btw | 14:00 |
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| chem|st | pupcow: read it and don't knwo why your powertop segfaults... | 14:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yes, it does. it always does | 14:01 |
| robbiethe1st | It returns some good data, though | 14:01 |
| ShadowJK | run powertop as root | 14:01 |
| chem|st | Hukka: why are you using a transparent pocket? | 14:01 |
| chem|st | just cut out the bit on top of the sensor... | 14:01 |
| Hukka | chem|st: Ummm, I really don't like that idea | 14:02 |
| Hukka | As it is, the pocket is weatherproof | 14:02 |
| chem|st | Hukka: why? | 14:02 |
| chem|st | ah ok, n900 resists 0.5L cokeed-wheat-beer, smells funny but survived | 14:03 |
| Hukka | Well, even then wouldn't want to risk it, nor let rain go into the rest of the pocket | 14:03 |
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| Hukka | And it's not really a matter of "surviving" as "operating as usual" | 14:04 |
| chem|st | rain? are you living in the rain forest or england that rain is a big issue | 14:04 |
| Hukka | Just Finland | 14:04 |
| pupcow | water can kill your n900 | 14:04 |
| chem|st | pupcow: so can staring at it | 14:04 |
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| pupcow | ok SpeedEvil what does this mean | 14:05 |
| pupcow | usbhost |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | sgx |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | per |OFF: 0%|RET: 50%|INA: 0%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | dss |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 100%| now:(ON) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | cam |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | core |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | neon |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) | 14:05 |
| pupcow | mpu |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) | 14:05 |
| Hukka | pupcow: Next time, pastebin | 14:05 |
| psycho_oreos | ugh flood | 14:05 |
| chem|st | the point is that answering phonecalls in a sealed pocket wont give good results at the earpiece volume | 14:05 |
| Hukka | chem|st: Of course not | 14:06 |
| chem|st | so why answer them? | 14:06 |
| Hukka | But there are speaker and handsfree options | 14:06 |
| chem|st | handsfree options do not need a working display if chosen right | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | but I understand your issue | 14:06 |
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| Hukka | Also it's a matter of even noticing the call, if I'm not wearing the earplugs | 14:07 |
| chem|st | pupcow: pastebin the whole output! | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | pupcow: The Off refers to how much the functional unit is switched off. The on to how much it's used, the ina to how much timr it's on but inactive | 14:08 |
| pupcow | what's "per"? | 14:10 |
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| pupcow | what's "dss" | 14:10 |
| Hukka | Also it would be nice to make the display activate on touch when it has gone to idle sleep | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | peripheral | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | Hukka: search for "not deactivating touchscreen when going blank" or something in tmo | 14:17 |
| chem|st | Hukka: read about it somewhere | 14:17 |
| Hukka | I'll try that. I've been searching, but not with those keywords | 14:18 |
| chem|st | Hukka: that means that you have to lock the touchscreen by hand - gets anoying over time | 14:18 |
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| Hukka | Sure, but given a proper command line spell, I would make a small app that would toggle it | 14:19 |
| chem|st | as if it is laying there screen off you have to remember if it is idle off or not as you want to put it in oyur pocket | 14:19 |
| Hukka | I was thinking about making the same script change the notification light | 14:20 |
| Hukka | Would be easy to see when it's in special mode | 14:20 |
| chem|st | yeah but gets interupted with anything from mce | 14:20 |
| chem|st | sounds like a battery drainer | 14:21 |
| Hukka | chem|st: It might not work sure, but don't shoot the idea down before I have even managed to try it! | 14:21 |
| Hukka | If you don't know how to do it, just say so, not tell me that I don't want it at all | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | MCE does not flash lights with MCE | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MCE uses the hw LED flasher | 14:23 |
| Hukka | Heh, I found the opposite; how to keep the display on without touch control | 14:24 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: how precise are the accelerometers in the n900 | 14:26 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: or you could know that ^^ | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Not very | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | From memory - 18mg is the resolution | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, you got the datasheet - no? | 14:26 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nope | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The accuracy is 4 or 5 lsbs | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | google lsm303dlh | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | for the datasheet | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | whut? | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it gets more complex - there is noise - which is not listed in the datasheet. | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lis302 | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | errr | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry, yes | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been looking at the lsm303 datasheet, and got confused. Above answers are correct though | 14:27 |
| chem|st | I am looking for something to log accel over time with sensitivity <0.4G | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It can do that then. | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | why 0.4g? | 14:28 |
| chem|st | machine specification is <0.4G vibrations | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy | 14:29 |
| chem|st | so I need something thats noise is lower than <0.4G | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It's much more complex thern. | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you'll want to use full fledged 400Hz samplefreq | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | As while at rDC the resolution is comfortably under 0.4Hz - resonances in the case and other things would make me suspect any frequencies much over 10hz | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: what is the full name of it as I get various lis302xxx things | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lis302dl | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | is there an cli for it or have I to mess with bare I2C | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a sysnode | 14:33 |
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| chem|st | configurable | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sensitivity 18mg/digit | 14:34 |
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| dangergrrl | morning :) | 14:35 |
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| chem|st | +- 10mg at 20°C | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that's 10 digits, not miligee | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lsbs | 14:36 |
| chem|st | is says zero g +-0.5 mg/°C | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | That's the drift | 14:36 |
| chem|st | yeah | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't work that way | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | The zero is not at 0C | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It's probably at 25C | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | There is an additional accuracy spec | 14:37 |
| chem|st | max delta at 25°C it says | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ok - loaded now | 14:38 |
| chem|st | so I have 5*0.5mg for 20°?! | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Table 3. | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mechanical characteristics(1) | 14:38 |
| chem|st | +-40mg for 2G range | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (All the parameters are specified @ Vdd=2.5 V, T = 25°C unless otherwise noted) | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | TyOff - typical zero g level offset accuracy - +-40mg | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Or 60 at high range | 14:38 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thats table 2 but nvm | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's offset, completely irrelevant for your usecase | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It will then drift by .01% of fullscale per C | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Max. | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | So for +-2g, that's 4 milligee per C | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | From 25C nominal | 14:40 |
| chem|st | so how do I put that thing in 0 bit mode and the frequency to 400kHz and log it? | 14:40 |
| * chem|st has no clue about that thing | 14:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | Then you haver the 18mg resoluition, and noise. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I had shell script, but I lost it | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: check what sysnodes you got | 14:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | echo 400 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/rate | 14:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | while true | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | do | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | cat coord | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | done | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you *might* want to add a `sleep 0.0025` | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as there's no proper event driven sync to datarate afaik | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course the overhead in a shellscript starts to become unbearable on that usecase. Just the 400 times /s opening and closing the sysnode is crap | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you definitely want to implement that in c | 14:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't know what's up | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | That used to go at 400/sec | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And not use too much CPU | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually (as you need root) you will freeze the device with such a script | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe waiting for IO (here I2C) made it work | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | still all the stat(), open(), close() in cat are fugly | 14:51 |
| chem|st | you people are the hackers here I have no idea... simplest setup: set 400kHz, read coord and write to accel.log in current folder till ctrl-c'ed, reset rate to 100kHz | 14:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 14:51 |
| linuxparanoid | Hello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hz | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Hz | 14:51 |
| chem|st | 400Hz... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's xt_owner?? | 14:52 |
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| linuxparanoid | DocScrutinizer, for iptables | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a netfilter or whatever they're calling it these days - module to allow filtering of net connections by owner | 14:53 |
| linuxparanoid | I need it for transparent torifying | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: try tail instead cat, and exec >accel.log | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I use it with rtmpsuck to copy flash content | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It only outputs one | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | one reading | 14:54 |
| Mece | hey, i'm trying to build for maemo from qtsdk on a mac, and I have trouble with glibc.h missing. how does one go about adding external library headers to the sysroot thing? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then maybe exec < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord >accel.log and simply use cat without any parameters | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, write a proper c proggie | 14:56 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: shiprolling seems to have a logger functionality | 14:57 |
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| linuxparanoid | <SpeedEvil> And where did you get it? I cannot find a package "rtmpsuck" through apt|aptitude | 15:01 |
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| chem|st | it says it exports a logfile... try to find / it as it isn't in MyDocs... | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | linuxparanoid: it's part of rtmpdump | 15:02 |
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| linuxparanoid | SpeedEvil, and how it can load a module which is not in the system? | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It can't. | 15:05 |
| linuxparanoid | # find / -name "*xt_owner*"/lib/xtables/libxt_owner.so | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to compile it, or get it compiled for your kernel. | 15:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: what are the readings in? mg? | 15:06 |
| linuxparanoid | but I have no it in /lib/kernel | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly | 15:06 |
| chem|st | ok | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -54 -54 -1008 - so yes, mg | 15:07 |
| linuxparanoid | SpeedEvil, when I can get sources for its compiling? Compatible with my installed kernel and architecture of my device? | 15:07 |
| chem|st | so 0 is parallel to ground and -1000 is antirectangular... | 15:08 |
| chem|st | and so on | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Wherever you got your current kernel, under the proivisions of the GPL licence. | 15:08 |
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| Mece | oh oh.. is there a simple way to upgrade sdk to cssu? | 15:08 |
| Mece | maemo sdk | 15:09 |
| E0x | i think you just need add the repo | 15:09 |
| E0x | and apt-get upgrade | 15:09 |
| E0x | or something | 15:09 |
| Venemo | hmmm | 15:10 |
| Venemo | I discovered that allowing make to compile with more than one process simultaneously increases the build speed by a ridiculously large amount | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | who has a facebook account? | 15:11 |
| linuxparanoid | SpeedEvil, I get it from extras-devel repository. There is "kernel-power-source" there. Do I need all kernel sources and compile the whole kernel? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually not, if you keep the version etc | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: On n900, yes, it does a bit | 15:13 |
| Mece | E0x, happen to have the repo adress handy? | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | linuxparanoid: usually, you can compile the same version of the kernel, adn teh module will work | 15:13 |
| Mece | nvrmind | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I use -j 6 :P | 15:14 |
| Mece | it's deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free afaict | 15:14 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, me too now :) | 15:16 |
| chem|st | ok the roof vibrations is set then... now I need something <0.4µg ... any ideas? | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | That is rather harder. | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | You're pretty much out of the range of all MEMs devices except perhaps the one costing several hundred dollars an axis. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | At what frequency? | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | no idea but the faster the better | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | What's it to measure? | 15:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Priobably better to continue in ##electronics - wherre others may have an idea. | 15:22 |
| chem|st | nvm.. an idea where to rent for some days would be enough | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | No clue. | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | At the ug range, you may be looking at microphones, or even seismometers. | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:25 |
| Khertan1 | Venemo: i use -j6 too with a core i5 quad core | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | -j2 is noticably faster oin n900 | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | no wnder, waiting for IO the CPU can compile in another job | 15:27 |
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| smooph | DocScrutinizer ... I got the the batterypack from ... pearl ... I didn't work because of the known usb-spec problem ... but I build an adaptor for it ... Just so you know :D | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | smooph: hey, glad to help :-D | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I took the talk we had for an opportunity to fix my own batterypack - I added a ~3mm wide strip of copper foil over the middle two contacts of the female USB-A adapter of the pack ;-D | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | admittedly doesn't work too well and was a real annoyance | 15:33 |
| smooph | I just cut the cable of an usb extender and put them back together | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, it's probably the most easy and safe method | 15:33 |
| smooph | now whenever I want to use the batterypack I put the extender betweej | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (-jN) depending on ratio of CPU to IO-wait, even -j3 or -j4 may increase speed | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably -j6 is a good compromise, as you for sure use all IO-wait time, while overhead for switching is low - as long as it's not running short of ram and constantly swapping | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | top will tell | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 15:44 |
| edheldil | depends on storage speeds, I think. The faster the disk, the more overhead you get from additional processes's task switches | 15:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer ran out of milk :-S | 15:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: indeed it's tricky, been pondering it for the last 10 min, it's really non-trivial | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | even depends on source code you are going to compile | 15:46 |
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| edheldil | I was compiling some inhouse app on a virtualized server with two? virtual cpus and anything beyond -j2 or -j3 was taking longer and longer | 15:47 |
| edheldil | but I have not hard figures handy atm. | 15:48 |
| edheldil | but you are probably right that it depends on source code as well | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay, virtualized server, even one more complex variable | 15:48 |
| edheldil | hehe, sure. It was probably a bad example :) | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tends to become an unsolvable equation ;-) | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | edheldil: I am sure if you use -j16, it will suddenly become faster | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: it makes sense to use -jN with N > nr_of_cores, but you will have to test for the optimum N anyway | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | edheldil: After all, you can add as many virtual CPUs as you wish, that is what virtualization is all about! | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: there's been a SF-story where a guy managed to emulate a more powerful computer in a small one - ok it's been quantum computers | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on quantum computers you (afaiui) can fork() as many times as you like, and there's no reduction in computing speed of the particular thread | 15:57 |
| edheldil | if you are not concerned with speed, it's doable :) | 15:57 |
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| edheldil | forgive my perhaps inappropriate question, but how can I download angry birds to n900 from store.ovi.com? For some strange reason, n900 version of the game is only visible when browsing from a desktop computer, not from n900 ... | 15:59 |
| edheldil | but the level packs are visible even on n900 | 15:59 |
| kerio | stupid OVI | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | Doc: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-915 | 16:01 |
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| edheldil | I wonder if it could be due to disabling MyNokia, as they seem to be connected ... | 16:06 |
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| Sicelo | hmm :/ | 16:27 |
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| Sicelo | i want to buy N900 in South Africa, and looking at this: http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/37074148/Nokia_NOKIA_N900_3G_BRAND_NEW_SEALED_IN_BOX.html | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: funny | 16:28 |
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| Sicelo | now, does N900 come in other colors besides black? | 16:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sicelo: No. | 16:29 |
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| Sicelo | that's the thing.. now this guy says, at the question and answer box: hello yes i have stock, i can ship to swaliland but will cost an additional R200, what color do you want? | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be worrying that it's a fake. | 16:30 |
| Sicelo | that's my concern too | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless he is meaning a clip-on-cover | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/340007827-free-shipping-cheap-mobile-N900-wholesalers.html | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example | 16:32 |
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| Sicelo | thanks SpeedEvil. i'll investigate further.. the guy does seem to have high rankings on the site, assuming they are legit rankings :/ | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | If you look closely, then I think that only the top couple of pics are 'real' - the rest are of a n900 | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have a way of getting back the money if he intends to defraud you - then great | 16:34 |
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| Sicelo | :) i'd rather not go down that route... getting back the money, no :P | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | Sicelo, it's fake | 16:36 |
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| edheldil | description: free shipping cheap mobile N900 clone phones with high quality | 16:37 |
| edheldil | note the word "clone" | 16:37 |
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| crashanddie | Sicelo, rain@yacya.com is registered to a Chinese company. | 16:38 |
| Sicelo | thanks :) | 16:38 |
| edheldil | ah, sorry, got lost in the conversation | 16:38 |
| Sicelo | that email, it's from the link i gave, or SpeedEvil's? | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | Oh, SpeedEvil's | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | sorry | 16:39 |
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| Sicelo | np.. but i'm still worried with mine | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | edheldil: - sure - however it's a little bit misleading to only have two photos of your product, and lots of the real one | 16:40 |
| Sicelo | better a used N900 than a new fake ;) | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | edheldil: I have no specific problem with fake n900s - as long as the user knows what they're getting. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Some are even better than the real on in eome ways. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (TV) | 16:40 |
| edheldil | eh :) | 16:40 |
| * Sicelo fully agrees with SpeedEvil.. "as long as the user knows what they're getting" | 16:41 | |
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| edheldil | I have got ovi store send me an sms with dload link for AB, but it does not work :( | 16:41 |
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| ab | edheldil, you can't download me from ovi store, I don't work this way. | 16:47 |
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| edheldil | ab: :) | 16:50 |
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| * GAN900 notes a self-cleaning oven works wonders as a cast-iron rest button. | 16:50 | |
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| crashanddie | rest or reset? | 17:16 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, reset. | 17:30 |
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| Tronic | What is a cast-iron reset button? | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | Tronic, burn all of the seasoning off. | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | Down to the bare metal. | 17:46 |
| Tronic | Ah, I suppose that *is* the purpose of the feature. | 17:46 |
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| GAN900 | Indeed | 17:46 |
| * Tronic bought a cheaper model that has everything but that. | 17:46 | |
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| Tronic | No high temperature burn but grease-resistant surface coating. | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | My foolish sister decided to scrub down all of my cast iron cookware and let it dry in a stack by the sink. | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | Helloooo, rust! | 17:47 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:48 |
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| Tronic | Have you tried those new ceramic frying pans? | 17:48 |
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| Tronic | I had a couple. They are wonderful for anything where high temperatures are required (i.e. where you'd normally use cast iron) but not quite as non-stick as teflon (but close enough). The problem is that if you leave any food in one, it won't be non-stick anymore and cannot be repaired :( | 17:50 |
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| Tronic | So, I am mostly back to teflon, only occassionally using cast iron. | 17:51 |
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| lolcat | Tronic: I think ##cooking would be more appropriate. And no, I only have one teflon pan and I am very happy with its high temp capabilities | 17:51 |
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| GAN900 | Tronic, rather use cast iron. | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | Cheap, cheap, cheap | 17:56 |
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| crashanddie | lolcat, I'm an op, and I authorise this conversation | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | lolcat, Considering less than 50 lines have been said in the past 3 hours or so... | 18:11 |
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| lolcat | crashanddie: I understand that, I simply mentioned cooking because it probably will have a more concentrated amount of people interessted in cooking | 18:12 |
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| * GAN900 bangs head on desk | 18:15 | |
| GAN900 | So, fsck is bugged. | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | That's really helpful. | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope it's not been one of Werner Almesberger's contributions | 18:41 |
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| GAN900 | Given that wake from sleep doesn't work, either | 18:46 |
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| GAN900 | I think I'm going to continue working towards getting OS X running. | 18:55 |
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| Mece | gaah this qt problem is giving me a headache! | 19:04 |
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| trx | i want to try to compile a driver for ath9k_htc usb wireless card from linuxwireless.org, on its page it says that it requires a firmware | 19:06 |
| trx | are these .fw architecture specific? | 19:06 |
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| pupnik | hey GAN900 | 19:12 |
| pupnik | better spell icons, color balancing: http://i.imgur.com/Ym5OC.jpg | 19:12 |
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| Mece | whoa..straceing big applications is interesting.. | 19:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | grrep can help | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | And you can tell strace to filter some things. | 19:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Often though you need to hit the source and work out WRH it's doing though. | 19:43 |
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| Mece | I have no idea what to make of this. | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | What are you trying to strace? | 19:45 |
| Mece | a qt app | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially given that strace doesn't understand dbus or network traffic, or ... | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | So it can appear in many raw formats | 19:46 |
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| Mece | actually it's a qml app loaded in qdeclarativeview in a qt app, and reloading a certain type of xmllistview segfaults the app | 19:47 |
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| Mece | and only on maemo with cssu qt 4.7.2. the problem does not occur if I run the qml file with qmlviewer. | 19:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah - joy | 19:48 |
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| Mece | either way it's superbly annoying. | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that sort of crap is painful. | 19:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | You don't really want strace. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You want a X/... protocol stack viewer | 19:49 |
| Mece | no, I noticed. | 19:49 |
| Mece | hm | 19:49 |
| Mece | do we have that? | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea. | 19:49 |
| Mece | hehe | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes they're out there. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if anones done anything related for wireshark. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | There are all sorts of wacky plugins for that - including ones to parse GSM stack. | 19:50 |
| Mece | but the error is not in the networking. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean to parse the calls in a manner that understands the messages being passed. | 19:51 |
| Mece | I added some debug output to the qml. seems the file is loaded from the web, and then the model.xml = newxml | 19:51 |
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| Mece | that starts the delegate rendering, and it gets through the stuff in the first delegate, then it segfaults | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah - printf - an old and trusty friend. | 19:52 |
| Mece | actually I don't know if it actually gets to rendering. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | You've thought of gdb? | 19:52 |
| Mece | i don't remember how to use it. | 19:52 |
| Mece | i have it installed though | 19:53 |
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| zakkkkm | for MFe it seems i need certificate installed on my phone. Is it just the certificate authority certificate i need? | 19:54 |
| zakkkkm | it seemed to work fine for stock maemo, but not in CSSU | 19:54 |
| Mece | SpeedEvil, how can I use gdb in this? I need to let the app load a bunch of stuff, then perform an action, then let it load and crash to actually create the issue... | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Once it crashes, it derops back into the debugger | 19:56 |
| Mece | o | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And you can then inspec thte state of variables, and examine the stack | 19:56 |
| Mece | ok i'll try it. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to recompile it with debuggering symbols. | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | you can just enable core dumps | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | you don't have to | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | you can get a lot of info without symbols | 19:57 |
| zakkkkm | "this certificate is already installed as a certificate authority" but i cant seem to find it in certificate manager in settings | 19:57 |
| Mece | jacekowski, compile the app you mean? | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 19:58 |
| Mece | jacekowski, do you happen to know how to enable that with qmake? | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | just run it on debugger and maybe it will be something obvious | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | if not then it will be more complicated | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | Mece: i don't remember | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | Mece: all you have to do is pass "-g" to compiler | 19:59 |
| Mece | jacekowski, hmm.. I compile by doing.. umm.. qmake -o Makefile projectthing.pro | 20:00 |
| Mece | and then make. | 20:00 |
| Mece | I think qmake has some debug flag. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | google qmake debug fag | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | qmake debug flags | 20:02 |
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| dangergrrl | may the 4th be with you | 20:04 |
| Mece | heh qmake CONFIG+="debug" ... | 20:08 |
| Mece | ok so now I have a binary with debug. now how do I use it? | 20:11 |
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| zakkkkm | anyone know how to fix exchange account disabled, access refused? | 20:30 |
| zakkkkm | (work exchange) | 20:30 |
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| Mece | woooo! found the bug! | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! | 20:41 |
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| kerio | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Woooooooooooooooooooo | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/o/ooooooooooW/g | 20:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: WooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooW | 20:50 |
| kerio | barbra streisand | 20:51 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer: That might count as cheating ;) | 20:52 |
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| Mece | LOL | 20:55 |
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| Mece | crud. I don't have a good idea how to work around this... | 21:01 |
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| fusi[n900] | hhhmmm @ lxde.org | 21:03 |
| Mece | what about lxde? | 21:03 |
| fusi[n900] | domain name expired | 21:03 |
| fusi[n900] | D: | 21:04 |
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| Toba | welp | 21:09 |
| Mece | damn | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol -> RESUME(3)R EH Z AH M EY | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | Well, that only took 3 hours. | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | Ubuntu boots, now let's see if resume does too! | 21:39 |
| fusi[n900] | :D | 21:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders which slang >>R EH Z AH M EY<< might be | 21:45 | |
| RST38h | GAN: Upgrading to the latest and greatest? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Doc: dull slashdotter geek | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Doc: or maybe cool primary school jock | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | RESUMER IH Z UW M RESUME(2)R IY Z UW M | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Ah, wait, that is just how you write down the pronounciation in ASCII! =) | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, no upgrade. Clean install on my x220 | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I tell ya I never would've understood R EH Z AH M EY | 21:47 |
| GAN900 | But apparently fsck is broken | 21:47 |
| GAN900 | Which makes the whole "Wont wake from sleep" thing rather unpleasant. | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | how is fsck broken? | 21:47 |
| GAN900 | Had to put 10.04 on a USB key (after trying 11.04, systemrescuecd, and 10.10) to fsck it. | 21:48 |
| GAN900 | Don't have the bug handy, but, basically, it thinks the volume is mounted when it reads the secondary superblock and stops. | 21:48 |
| dangergrrl | resume? | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | Wake from s2ram | 21:50 |
| dangergrrl | i pronounce it with a u | 21:50 |
| GAN900 | Close lid on the laptop, have to kill it to get it back again. | 21:50 |
| GAN900 | Good for you | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | somebody typed 'orz' in channel and now i have a fierce yen to play star control II | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you're speaking in tongues | 22:00 |
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| pupnik | one of the truly great games on the 1990s - i missed it at the time but it was open sourced as 'ur-Quan Masters', which i worked on for 770 | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:01 |
| pupnik | probably the most ambitious part of it, technologically, was a time-based plot... that is, there were several interacting 'plot trees' in the game | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the last 3 words made at least some sense to me | 22:02 |
| pupnik | yen is another word for longing | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | still wondering what might be a fierce Yen | 22:02 |
| Sicelo | pupnik: yearn :) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, starts to make sense | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather 'orz' has to do with that game then | 22:04 |
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| pupnik | Sicelo: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/yen | 22:05 |
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| pupnik | yes the writing in the game was brilliant. the orz were ... well don't read spoilers, maybe someday you'll play it | 22:06 |
| pupnik | absolutely brilliant :) | 22:06 |
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| Sicelo | thanks pupnik :) | 22:12 |
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| GAN900 | It's unfortunate that the rising expense of improved production values has so impacted game length. | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=35167 Resident says 'no way was binladen in that house'. | 22:44 |
| Jartza | http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html | 22:44 |
| Proteous | prisonplanet.com... | 22:44 |
| Jartza | :) | 22:45 |
| RST38h | Real Osama, fake Osama, who cares? | 22:45 |
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| RST38h | The Marines came down, fired a lot of ammunition in an exciting way, killed some brown people, blew up their own helicopter, then left. | 22:46 |
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| GAN900 | Sounds like a great action flick | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Treat it as a movie, not as a real event. | 22:46 |
| RST38h | GAN: Oh, you type faster than me =) | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | And on an N900, even! | 22:47 |
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| * RST38h did like the latest information that they actually *arrested* Osama, then shot him in the head. Gives the whole story a Shakespearean twist. | 22:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | I question if he's not now installed in a small cell with Lady Gaga being played very loudly at him. | 22:50 |
| chx | it's not exactly a safe thing to hold such a guy in custody | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Does it matter? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 'not a safe thing' ? | 22:51 |
| chx | one , who knows , he could've wired up the whole compound with explosives and have a button on his body | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not a risk. | 22:52 |
| chx | two, even if you survive getting him out of the compound, every freakin' wanna-be-terrorist would take hostages trying to get him out | 22:52 |
| RST38h | If I were a US president though, I would definitely have him mounted and displayed in some CIA HQ corridor. I mean, so much effort, so much monet... | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | That's a risk to the extraction team - it's not a risk of mission failure - him dying. | 22:52 |
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| * GAN900 sighs. | 23:12 | |
| GAN900 | Still no resume. | 23:12 |
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| kwtm | GAN900: Oh, are you having trouble with Ubuntu 11.04 also? | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 23:18 |
| GAN900 | On every machine I've installed it on in some way or another | 23:18 |
| GAN900 | You'd think I'd learn. | 23:18 |
| kwtm | Ok. Sounds like it's been plagued with a whole bunch of problems on IRC, although I was wondering if I was getting a self-selection bias because only people with problems go to #ubuntu | 23:19 |
| kwtm | I wonder if it means good things for Kubuntu because people won't want Ubuntu with Mutiny or whatever that new interface is called. Right now it looks like KDE and GNOME are in a race going to the bottom. | 23:20 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 23:25 |
| wazd | does anybody know Ed Page's IM contact? | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nule buntkuh | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke buntkuh | 23:30 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at buntkuh ... B☢☢M! | 23:30 | |
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| wazd | ~seen epage | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | long time no see | 23:31 |
| wazd | oh well :) | 23:31 |
| infobot | wazd: i haven't seen 'epage' | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *very* long time | 23:32 |
| wazd | infobot: sorry, np :) | 23:32 |
| wam | Hi, I'm looking for a kernel or module that brings tun/tap support to my n900. I have already the kernel-power installed. Any hints how I could get that easily? | 23:32 |
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| GAN900 | wazd, email. | 23:33 |
| wazd | GAN900: thx :) | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tun | 23:34 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf tun | 23:34 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what tun means... | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki tun | 23:34 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tun (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|TUN|tun}} 'TUN' or 'tun' may refer to: {{TOC right}} * TUN/TAP, a computer network device driver * TUN (product standard), a Danish product standard for building materials * Tun (Maya calendar), a part of the Mayan long count calendar system * A unit of time in the Mayan Long Count calendar * Tun (volume), an antiquated measurement of liquid * Large sea snails of the family ... | 23:34 |
| wam | ah forgetit | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 23:36 |
| * wam is just too dumb to restart the phone so that newly installed modules are available | 23:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:36 |
| wam | or maemo is too dumb to keep the libs of the currently running kernel | 23:36 |
| wam | usually it's me | 23:36 |
| wam | ;) | 23:36 |
| wam | init 6 | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or depmod -a | 23:36 |
| wam | DocScrutinizer: not really. extras-devel installed a newer kernel | 23:37 |
| wam | which uname doesn't know about | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, then... | 23:37 |
| wam | me reboots | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | new PK? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 47? | 23:37 |
| wam | i didn't reboot for months | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I rebooted like yesterday, as something wrecked... aah camera | 23:39 |
| wam | heh | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually my uptime also is in the >30d range | 23:39 |
| wam | mine is running perfectly and now (after the reboot) i am connected to ipv6... ;) | 23:39 |
| wam | I love that phone | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, knew I heard tun before | 23:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for the notorious "this IS NOT a phone!!!1!1!!" | 23:40 | |
| wam | heh | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: indeed I also love it. More than any other device before | 23:41 |
| wam | hmm - the normal browser seems not to be able to do ipv6... | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 23:41 |
| * wam tries ff5 | 23:41 | |
| wam | ff4 | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | try opera | 23:41 |
| wam | even | 23:41 |
| wam | nah | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ff is freaking fsck I heard | 23:42 |
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| wam | requires a lot ram, but syncs with my other profiles, even with passwords... | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 23:42 |
| wam | YEAH | 23:42 |
| wam | goes | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you got enough patience :-) | 23:42 |
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| wam | Have I mentioned that I just love that phone? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's timeless when you need him? | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen timeless* | 23:43 |
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| wam | I have ipv6 in ff4 on my phone. Beat me, apple | 23:43 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'timeless*' | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ~seen lardman | 23:44 |
| infobot | lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 17m 23s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'. | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | have I mentioned I hate users constantly changing their nicks? | 23:44 |
| wam | lol | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen timeless_mbp | 23:45 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp <c0647c9c@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 19d 10h 32m 39s ago, saying: 'http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/ident?i=pa_zero'. | 23:45 |
| wam | WOOOOHOOO - My n900 is reachable worldwide via ipv6 | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | please count the rogue pings ;-P | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | and javispedro | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | I don't get why he disappears from March/April till September | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, remember host mode times? :P | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I checked for javispedro yesterday :-o | 23:46 |
| wam | let's see - i'll disable wlan now | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sowhat | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 23:47 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 23h 18m 29s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. | 23:47 |
| wam | should stay reachable | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's been the same last year? | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | he came back in September | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | when he thinks he can vanish without proper announcement I'll tell him... ;-) | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he still hangs around on tmo I think | 23:50 |
| wam | except for the new address that I get from the miredo process, connections are fine! | 23:54 |
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