IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-05-04

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DocScrutinizeruk and usa have some special bits you prolly don't like to have00:02
pupnik"You do it to yourself.  Just you.  And no-one else."00:02
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: anybody ever release some analysis of what those special bits are?00:03
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azilotand what about "Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900"00:04
RST38hEveryone has got special bits!00:04
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pupnikhow many berries is one cow worth00:04
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azilotit`s bulgarian )00:05
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azilotbut you have different options00:05
DocScrutinizerpupnik: not afaik00:06
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DocScrutinizerthere are sometimes problems falshing cmt in US version that don't show on any of the others, so you *might* conclude the modem has some special bits to deal with US radio and GSM madness00:07
azilotDocScrutinizer: Where can i get this applet?00:07
azilotfor brightness00:08
jacekowskii can sell it to you for £5000:08
DocScrutinizerazilot: it appears when booting for first time (esp after battery been removed for longer than your cmos-battery buffers, which is like 10s...several weeks, depending whether it's already broken like on 80% of devices)00:08
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DocScrutinizerooh, for brighness00:09
DocScrutinizerthat simple brightness applet00:09
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you ruined it, i was planning to sell it00:09
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DocScrutinizeractually I wondered where and how to trigger this friggin nice time settings widget, which is magnitudes better than the standard hildon one00:10
pupnikno  just charge for distribution..00:10
eichisomeone uses a bluetooth headset with n900? which one works okay? and a question: how fast to switch headset and bluetooth enaugh to answer a call? ;D or just if you start the call?00:11
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aziloti think, bluetooth will drain battery on lightspeed00:15
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GNUtoo|laptophi, if I lzma -9 the maemo zImage, how much space will it still take?00:30
GNUtoo|laptop(I've not maemo installed currently, that's why I ask)00:30
SpeedEvilprobably around the same as it does now00:31
SpeedEvilIf you mean the kernel only00:31
SpeedEvilIt's already compressred00:31
GNUtoo|laptopthe kernel only00:31
GNUtoo|laptopwith lzma?00:31
SpeedEvilpossibly not.00:31
SpeedEvilBut you won't save tha tmuch.00:31
GNUtoo|laptopbecause lzma was added on recent kernel only00:31
GNUtoo|laptopI want kexecboot + maemo kernel on its rootfs within the 2M barrier that the n900 has00:32
SpeedEvilDo you care if you save 100k00:32
GNUtoo|laptopelse there is still a partition in the nand named00:33
GNUtoo|laptopinitramfs or something like that00:33
GNUtoo|laptopI'll ask in #meego-arm if they got NAND support on 2.6.3800:35
SpeedEvilOr SD?00:35
GNUtoo|laptopSD will be good for our distro but bad for maemo00:35
SpeedEvilOr 3g?00:35
GNUtoo|laptopI don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi works in 2M of disk00:36
infobotGNUtoo|laptop meant: I don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi fits in 2M of disk00:36
GNUtoo|laptopthe problem is that kexecboot doesn't have ubifs support00:37
GNUtoo|laptopelse it would have been so easy00:37
GNUtoo|laptopI'll ask to kexecboot people00:37
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DocScrutinizereichi: I think BT connecting is always too slow to do it prior to accepting an inbound call. And no, actually BT doesn't eat that much battery01:06
DocScrutinizer>>BT enabled, no headset connected +2 mA with ~1/5 time spikes to +9 mA<<01:07
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MohammadAGBT sucks on the N90001:11
MohammadAGit doesn't work well with an active WiFi connection01:11
aziloti prefer to speek with wired headphones and phone microphone01:11
MohammadAGit doesn't affect headphones only01:12
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DocScrutinizerBT vs WLAN conflict is system imanent and depending on hw (2 / 3 wire coexistence) and config, one of both will always suffer when the dominant other tries to use the band01:43
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DocScrutinizereven a fair scheduling doesn't mean both can coexist and work concurrently without degradation of quality01:44
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ShadowJKthey share the antenna and there's a wire connected between the two, iirc01:51
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DocScrutinizeryeah, the big mystery of N900 BT: there are 4 wires going from WLAN module into a bus, and only 3 arrive at BT01:54
DocScrutinizerWLAN_BT(3:0) but only 0, 1, and 2 go anywehere01:55
DocScrutinizerlast one aka BT_PRIORITY on WLAN01:58
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DocScrutinizerBT_FREQ enters another universe on its way from WLAN to BT01:58
SpeedEvilThe PCB has an imaginary layer.01:59
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MohammadAGyay, kernel-power v4702:30
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DocScrutinizeror did t-tan magically resurrect?02:41
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DocScrutinizer~seen t-tan02:41
infobott-tan <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 326d 4h 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.02:41
DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro02:42
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 2h 13m 32s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.02:42
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Guest40473the N8 is symbian, right?05:45
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Guest40473*trying to figure out this new direction nokia is going in05:56
Guest40473i guess the N8 and it's peers still represent fairly strong sales for symbian05:57
wmaronethey're going in whichever way Microsoft points05:57
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wmaronesymbian will be around for a while yet, especially on the low end05:57
Guest40473i got the impression no one really has been embedding symbian in automobiles lately though05:57
Guest40473favoring linux instead05:58
Guest40473the way this company ships win7 with an entirely custom interface
Guest40473kind of indicates the direction nokia might be going with win706:00
wmaroneWP7 is not W706:00
wmaroneas much "freedom" as MS is purportedly giving Nokia, I suspect it will be less than we imagine06:01
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Guest40473i believe QT-based symbian app can be run on desktop windows though06:04
Guest40473nokia seems to suggest a symbian app can be "deployed" on a maemo or meego handset as well06:05
Guest40473if the nokia windows phone 7 is going to be "distinctive" vs other win7 products06:05
Guest40473running the entire QT/maemo stack out of the box would be pretty distinctive06:06
wmaroneif rebuilt (in both windows/meego cases)06:06
wmaroneI doubt MS will allow Qt on WP706:06
wmaroneit would detract from their push to make people use .NET, and allow an out06:07
Guest40473.NET is a run time, though06:07
Guest40473is it not?06:07
wmaroneand the maemo stack is irrelevant due to its small size06:07
Guest40473QT is a native toolkit06:07
wmaroneit's a class library that runs on top of the CLR runtime, which basically does what Qt does06:07
wmaroneand Microsoft is very opposed to "native" software on WP7 devices06:08
Guest40473*reads up on wp706:08
Guest40473i guess i assumed wp7 was built around a native windowing toolkit like iOS/qt06:08
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wmaronenope, all about "managed code"06:10
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Guest40473hm, yeah06:28
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Guest40473enabling QT on wp7 would involve entirely bypassing the intended phone's runtime06:30
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Guest40473which could still be done in the name of 'distinctiveness'06:30
Guest40473but considering how much cold water they've already tossed at the dev community06:31
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Guest40473it does seem like they plan on relying on microsoft's prebuilt product 100%06:31
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Guest40473it wouldnt make much sense to quash things now, then surprise announce that they've provided a pathway for QT apps on wp706:32
Guest40473i suppose anyone shipping in-car computers06:33
Guest40473will just pick up QT and meego/linux06:33
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c2pLaYflashing nokia n900 atm06:52
c2pLaYhow do i know when its done :x06:52
c2pLaYflashing from windows06:52
c2pLaYahh shit06:53
c2pLaYi was supposed to do the emmc first i guess06:53
c2pLaYw/e the hell that acronym stands for06:53
c2pLaYi have no idea06:53
wmaroneeMMC = embedded multi media card06:56
wmaronebasically a hardwired MMC card (which is a standard 90% compatible with the SD card standard)06:56
wmaroneand the eMMC in the N900 gives it the 32GB of internal storage06:57
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GAN900Ari really made a big image shift when he moved to HP.07:04
GAN900Ari Jaaksi: Tech Bro07:04
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GAN900dangergrrl, Ari Jaaksi, former head of OSSO/Next Generation Software/Maemo Software/Maemo Devices07:06
dangergrrlsorry, i'm ariana strangelove :)07:07
dangergrrlyou highlighted me07:07
dangergrrlbut i pronounce it the russki way07:07
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dangergrrlstran gull lov07:07
c2pLaYwmarone, thnx07:08
c2pLaYso about how long should it take to flash?07:08
GAN90030s or less07:08
dangergrrlone minute or less07:08
dangergrrllast time i did it07:08
dangergrrlbut i onlyu flashed root07:09
c2pLaYwell it sure it taking a while07:09
c2pLaYi musta messed something up07:09
dangergrrlyou did full flash?07:09
c2pLaYim flashing root07:09
c2pLaYput into flash mode07:09
dangergrrlflashing root should be wuick07:09
GAN900Oh, right CMT07:09
GAN900CMT takes forever.07:09
dangergrrlfull flash has to zero the fatfs07:09
c2pLaYin cmd prompt07:09
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c2pLaYflasher.exe -F image.bin -f07:10
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c2pLaYand my terminal is blinking07:11
c2pLaYbut not much else happening07:11
yigalwell at least it's responding?07:11
c2pLaYfile is in the same location as the flasher exe07:11
c2pLaYguess i should restart07:12
GAN900OK, 3 machines and 11.04 wont wake from sleep on any of them.07:12
c2pLaYbut im scared to screw it up by unplugging it07:12
yigalI'm not used to the WIndows flasher07:12
GAN900I can't possibly be the only one. . . .07:12
yigalGAN900: #ubuntu07:12
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yigalGAN900: but seriously I'm using 11.04 and sleep is working for me so far, cross fingers07:12
GAN900yigal, tried early, Was ignored. Just like every other time I've tried #ubuntu. ;)07:12
c2pLaYabout how long should the emmc take?07:13
* wmarone spies a new tarball of GPL code from B&N07:13
c2pLaYim gonna leave this thing in flash mode07:13
c2pLaYand open another terminal07:13
yigalwmarone: ? like Barnes and Nobles?07:13
yigalwmarone: sweet them and their color nook07:14
dangergrrli use flashed from sabayon linux07:14
yigalI want to get one but I bought an oqo instead07:14
wmaroneit'll be sweeter if I can get to the point I can burn Android off it completely07:14
DocScrutinizer51c2pLaY: first of all use full-path\to\image.bin07:15
yigalwmarone: it's not that open?07:15
c2pLaYahh ok07:15
c2pLaYthat might be part of the problem07:15
wmaroneit's open enough and has a lot in common with the N90007:15
wmaroneSoC wise07:15
c2pLaYso about how long should the emmc take?07:15
yigalwmarone: hmm, I drool then07:15
c2pLaYjust so i'll have an idea if i've screwed it up?07:15
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DocScrutinizer51c2pLaY: less than 2min07:16
c2pLaYi think i got this07:16
yigalI like that enthusiasm07:16
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DocScrutinizer51plus there's some progress indicator07:17
GAN900wmarone, MeeGo or?07:17
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dangergrrlbtw how is a hacked nook color?07:18
yigalof course07:18
wmaroneGAN900: meego of course07:18
dangergrrlcan you run meego on it??07:18
wmaronewith luck the SGX drivers will... work07:18
yigalif that happens I'm purchasing 107:18
GAN900wmarone, let me know when you get it going. It's drawer fodder for me until Honeycomb AOSP or MeeGo.07:18
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yigalall these silly Android devices with their locked down hardware07:19
dangergrrlthe nook color i've heard some about07:19
dangergrrlsupposedly once hacked they are nice07:19
dangergrrli bought the n900 because nokia was doing something cool07:19
wmaroneGAN900: I've gotten it to boot to console on the 2.6.29 kernel, but I'm trying to port the drivers and whatnot forward to 2.6.38 so I can be somewhat closer to 2.6.3707:19
yigalwho hasn't, if you're somewhat of a nerd :)07:19
dangergrrlthen they made a deal with the demon07:19
yigaldangergrrl: true that, double true07:20
wmaroneGAN900: no joke, about the only thing I use it for at the moment is either hacking this stuff or for Firefox 407:20
dangergrrldon't they know that linux is from finland and windows from seattle?07:20
yigalwmarone: FF4 on Android correct?07:20
yigalwmarone: right07:20
yigaldangergrrl: I'm from Seattle :(07:21
dangergrrli wish ff4 didn't make my n900 useless07:21
dangergrrlsorry yigal07:21
dangergrrli am from houston07:21
dangergrrlsorry for me too07:21
yigaldangergrrl: thanks for caring, lol07:21
dangergrrli worked in redmond07:21
yigalhow was it?07:21
dangergrrlfor a co making cell phone data colection hw07:21
dangergrrli did scsi and x.25 drivers for them07:22
yigalI'm only starting to realize that I need to work in the tech industry07:22
yigalI got a degree in philosophy, then in physics07:22
dangergrrlmulti initiator scsi is tricky07:22
yigaldangergrrl: I really like scsi07:23
yigalI cam in with a Mac SE07:23
dangergrrldo you know the singularity is near?07:23
wmaronethis shit makes me facepalm:
yigalsingularity as in?07:23
dangergrrlas in we will create a sentient life form capable of improving itself07:24
dangergrrland boom07:24
dangergrrlwe are irrelavent07:24
yigalyes, that will be a beautiful occurance07:24
dangergrrlmaybe we will make good pets07:24
yigalmost of humanity is irrelavent in the sense I think you're refering to07:25
wmaronewe'll make great pets, according to Porno for Pyros07:25
yigalat this moment07:25
yigalthat's a nice song07:25
dangergrrlit was an intentional reference07:25
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yigalwe'll make great pets, we'll make great pets07:25
GAN900I'd use it if FBReader had sync07:25
dangergrrli'm a scholar of modern history07:25
GAN900That'd be perfect. Read Nook at home and N900 everywhere else.07:25
yigaldangergrrl: modern refering to what times?07:25
yigalthe here and now?07:26
dangergrrlkennedy forward07:26
dangergrrland current events are ripe for conspiracy07:26
yigalvery interesting times we live in :) Chinese insult07:26
yigalmay you live in interesting times07:27
dangergrrlwhy did they kill bin laden?07:27
dangergrrlhe should have had a trial07:27
yigalbecause it looks good in the media07:27
dangergrrlnot for here07:27
dangergrrlmaybe he knew something07:27
yigalsomething for everyone to center around07:27
yigalwhy the twin towers07:28
dangergrrlhe was a CIA operative07:28
yigalquite possibly07:28
dangergrrland i'm not sure he was rogue07:28
dangergrrlhe fit the agenda07:29
yigalwhere in Texas?07:29
yigalyes, of course07:29
yigaljust wondering how underrepresented you are07:29
yigalI don't think I could do it07:29
dangergrrli get to try out my 0-60 skills just to get a beer07:29
dangergrrli'm a transsexual anarchist woman in texas07:30
dangergrrli am nonrepresented here07:30
dangergrrlthankfully i vote in boulder colorado07:30
yigalwell you're 4 sigmas away from the mean, go girl07:30
yigalat least07:31
dangergrrli actually like jared07:31
yigalin reference to what?07:31
yigalthe jewelery?07:31
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dangergrrljared polis is my congresscreep07:31
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yigalah, ok07:32
dangergrrl"he went to jared"07:32
yigalPrinceton man07:32
dangergrrli have a gay progressive congressman and come from a very forward thinking community07:32
dangergrrlboulder is the smartest city in america07:33
dangergrrlforbes says so07:33
dangergrrl\i know07:33
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yigalthat's really insane in Texas07:33
dangergrrlhow do we take over the world with personal linux handhelds?07:33
dangergrrli think android helped more in egypt than maemo07:34
dangergrrlactually serious07:34
dangergrrlcrowdsource reality07:34
yigalAndroid so far is primarily infotainment07:34
dangergrrlal jazeera has crowdsourced news now07:35
DocScrutinizer51wlan/bt based mesh07:35
yigalthat sounds good07:35
dangergrrlif we give the power to the commoners what will they do?07:35
dangergrrlmake everything porn?07:35
yigalsex sells07:35
dangergrrland it is healthy is done responsibly07:37
yigalthen it's great07:37
dangergrrlbut i fear that much of the public is influenced by murdock07:37
dangergrrli should go kill murloks07:38
yigalmurlocks or murdocks?07:38
GAN900lol, and now it's segfaulting on boot07:38
GAN900Goooo, Canonical!07:38
yigalGAN900: fsck07:39
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dangergrrloh wow like double entendre07:39
dangergrrltriple or more?07:39
yigalno I'm not that good07:39
dangergrrlhe means ubuntu i think?07:39
yigalfsck him07:40
yigaljust fsck him07:40
dangergrrlthe little critters that gang rape low levels in WoW07:40
yigalman am I going to have hangover tomorrow07:40
dangergrrlthey are isomorphic to people who watch faux news07:40
yigalI laugh because it's so true07:41
yigalah, yes now I understand07:41
RST38h"Apple fanboys may have religious fervor, but so too does its exchief evangelist Guy Kawasaki, who reckons that Apple's continued existance is evidence that there must be a god."07:41
dangergrrlsteve jobs needs to go away07:42
RST38h(sorry for the highlight, not sure what HTML character made it happen)07:42
dangergrrldidn't here07:42
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dangergrrlanyhow how do we get linux handhelds to the masses and will that cause social change?07:43
yigalI just got an email informing me that the new iMac is quad core, wow07:43
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yigali5 i707:43
RST38hdangergreel: you are skipping the most important question.07:43
yigalsorry dangergrrl07:43
yigalRST38h: and that is ...07:44
yigalI wait with open ears07:44
RST38hyigal: "WHY?"07:44
dangergrrli want to know too07:44
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yigalno what?07:44
dangergrrlbecause i believe people are worth preserving07:44
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RST38hLinux handhelds have nothing to do with the preservation of people07:44
yigalI believe consciousness, intelligence are worth preserving07:45
yigalhumans eh07:45
RST38hNeither do they have anything with consciousness and intelligence07:45
RST38hDo not believe me? Check Slashdot comments.07:45
dangergrrli believe that the machi9nes will have an attachment to their progenitors07:45
DocScrutinizer51raspbeery jam to everybody! to save the world07:45
dangergrrland they will all run nil07:45
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yigalDocScrutinizer51: the same as raspberry?07:46
ds3dangergrrl: is that before or after skynet gains awareness?07:46
yigalDocScrutinizer51: then I'm all for it07:46
dangergrrlwhich i have not written yet because i am lazy and need to join acm07:46
yigalDocScrutinizer51: that's a wonderful wonderful idea07:46
RST38hDoc: In at least one SF book I know about, the raspberry jam came from the sky and teleport whole planet population in unknown direction07:47
dangergrrlthe internet already has awareness07:47
DocScrutinizer51ds3: too late, I already took over07:47
RST38hSo, do not underestimate =)07:47
yigalthis is too berry real for me07:48
yigalRST38h: I asked you question about becoming a software engineer, would you strongly discourage me from getting an MS in computer science to get a job as a software engineer - or anyone else out there =)?07:50
dangergrrljust watch some al jazeera07:50
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yigalI have an MS in physics but I just don't have the contacts necessary to get a job07:50
ds3get a MSEE07:50
ds3MSCS is a joke07:50
yigalds3: but I want to be a software developer not a hardware guru07:51
ds3don't matter07:51
yigalds3: hmm>07:51
ds3learn the real stuff07:51
ds3MSCS is about writing huge bloated code because it is 'correct'; MSEE guys write tiny working code.07:51
dangergrrlyigal: what country?07:51
yigaldangergrrl: I live in California07:52
dangergrrli recommend boulder colorado07:52
dangergrrlnist is hiring i think07:52
dangergrrldept of commerce07:52
DocScrutinizerds3: heh!07:52
William_ConqueroHello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power? Or that module already comiled if it exists ?07:53
dangergrrlthey have made the most signifigant discoveries of late07:53
dangergrrleinstein bose condensate07:53
dangergrrland proof of the gravity effect on time07:54
dangergrrlfrom like a 1m distance07:54
yigaldangergrrl: I don't like physics too many people just doing poor science and getting funding for it07:54
yigaldangergrrl: It's time to get good at coding, something I really love07:55
dangergrrlbut the truth is out there!07:55
dangergrrlit actually is07:55
yigaldangergrrl: thx ;D07:55
yigaldepending on what questions one has07:55
dangergrrlsome things are indeterminant07:55
dangergrrland important07:55
yigalallowing for freedom of a sort07:55
DocScrutinizersounds like Friday07:55
dangergrrlthat's why we need to learn to manipulate them from afar07:55
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dangergrrli want a us troop withdrawal from afghanistan07:56
yigalyes, that's apparently a logical thought, regardless of what the powers at be want to do07:57
RST38hyigal: I won't07:59
RST38htoo many people just doing poor <coding> and getting funding for it =)07:59
yigalRST38h: :D07:59
RST38h(inser your own word into angular brackets)07:59
yigalI need connections, and all of the internships I've found tell me I have to be a full time student at some institution08:00
yigalso that an MS becomes a vehicle to a job08:01
yigalwhen I did my MS I did very well academically but I didn't take crap from anyone and that burnt major bridges08:01
yigal4.0 1500GRE but I can only ask 2 people for a recomendation, anyways we are all different, I'm not genius and I want a job thanks for the help08:03
yigalso where is the raspberry jam?08:03
dangergrrlhave you tried techtronix?08:06
dangergrrlor bell labs?08:06
dangergrrlyou must enroll in a phd program for either08:06
dangergrrltek would likely take you in portland08:07
yigalI'll check it out08:07
dangergrrlthey have magic money08:07
yigalI like Oregon08:07
dangergrrlthey own the hdtv patents08:07
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dangergrrland they are in beaverton not portland in actuality08:08
dangergrrlnear wher i worked in hillsboro08:08
dangergrrljones farm 108:08
yigalI'm pretty much a hippy, as long as I can work on pen and paper problems and chillax I'm good08:09
yigalnot sure if that makes sense, I'm sorry for making this about me08:09
yigals/hippy/huge nerd08:10
dangergrrlsame thing i think08:10
dangergrrli am going to the rainbow in washington state in june08:10
yigalright on08:11
dangergrrli believe in peace08:11
dangergrrlthe alternative seems stupid08:11
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yigalyes, :D08:11
dangergrrlwhat is it good for08:11
dangergrrlabsolutely nothing08:11
yigaltrue that double true08:12
dangergrrlthat song is older than me i think08:12
dangergrrlwe need to come together as friends and figure out how we all can be healthy and productive and free08:13
RST38hthe alternative is to kill ourselves and save the environment08:13
RST38hyou do want to save the environment, don't you?08:13
yigal1 with the Universe that's all we have to be, damn I'm drunk08:15
pupnik__dangergrrl: that 'we' is the dangerous part of your brain08:15
yigalJungian collective unconsciousness08:16
yigallet's do it08:16
TronicRST38h: I think that is rather harsh. Maybe we could simply moderate our breathing to cut the exhaling CO2 emissions?08:16
c2pLaYman :(08:16
c2pLaYflashing emmc08:16
yigalbreathe out to a plant08:16
c2pLaYpaths have been specifiec08:16
c2pLaYbut i can't tell if its working or not08:16
c2pLaYjust got this phone08:16
yigalc2pLaY: why do you give us programming problems when we're drunk on love08:16
dangergrrlRST38h: you are making an irrational argument08:17
c2pLaYi don't have much time08:17
yigalc2pLaY: oh08:17
c2pLaYfull time job08:17
pupnik__You should see how the logic of 'we' ends up08:17
dangergrrlpart of healthy is to not corrupt the biosphere08:17
dangergrrlwhen i say we i mean me08:17
dangergrrlsorry i am an empress08:18
dangergrrli rule the orion arm of the milky way08:18
dangergrrljust these softskulls do not recognizse me08:19
c2pLaYi got 2 cursors blinking around in my command prompt08:20
c2pLaYis that a good thing :(08:20
c2pLaYsry to break up the convo tho :(08:20
dangergrrlbut my delusions of grandeur nonwithstiding08:20
dangergrrlhumans need to realize we are one and stop killing08:20
dangergrrlosama bin laden was part of me and you08:20
RST38hdangergrrl: I am making a completely rational argument, just not a human-centricone08:21
dangergrrli am a humanist08:22
dangergrrlwe are what can change the universe through intent08:22
dangergrrli don't know that yhere are nonhumans who can08:22
ruskieto early for philosophy...08:23
dangergrrlare you soviet?08:24
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ruskiewhat makes you think that08:25
RST38hdangergrrl: of course they are08:25
dangergrrldo you participate in lenin's day of cleaning?08:25
RST38hdangergrrl: ants, for example08:25
c2pLaYsoviet or communist?08:25
ruskiewhat's that?08:25
c2pLaYyou probably meant communist right?08:25
dangergrrlno i meant soviet08:25
GNUtoo|laptopwhat about commonism?08:25
RST38hdangergrrl: corals,08:25
dangergrrlthere was a day of cleaning last week in moscow08:25
RST38hdangergrrl: bats and birds with their massive dropping deposits, they all change the world08:26
dangergrrlstarted by nicholai lenie08:26
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dangergrrlanyhow prove they have intent08:26
RST38hthey do not change the universe, but neither do humans :)08:26
dangergrrlhumans do08:26
RST38hants definitely have intent to build housing for themselves=)08:27
dangergrrlwe have a little toy car or three on mars08:27
dangergrrlnasa is a joke08:27
GNUtoo|laptopwhat lenin did wasn't communism, it was tirany08:27
pupnik__GNUtoo|laptop: maybe the two are the same thing08:27
* RST38h sighs: Westerners and their perception of Lenin...08:27
c2pLaYthat or marxism08:27
c2pLaYbut we're being a bit picky aren't we08:28
GNUtoo|laptopI don't think he followed marksism08:28
GNUtoo|laptopand we aren't in capitalism either now08:28
dangergrrllenin is my hero08:28
doc|homewhich just goes to show, some people never learn08:28
infobotGNUtoo|laptop meant: and we aren't in capitalism anymore now08:28
RST38hdangergrrl: You can always come here and admire the corpse!08:28
ruskieGNUtoo|laptop, sadly we are in capitalism08:28
doc|homeGNUtoo|laptop: very true08:28
pupnik__there is no such thing as capitalism08:28
doc|homeruskie: this is not capitalism.08:28
GNUtoo|laptopcapitalism is about capital, we're in something else where there is finance, protection of monopolism etc...08:29
c2pLaYi'd call it an oligarchy actually08:29
pupnik__you might as well say we have 'laborism'08:29
pupnik__or 'machinism'08:29
c2pLaYits gone beyond capitalism08:29
doc|homeruskie: when you can be made/destroyed by a government, it's not capitalism08:29
pupnik__capital is just one essential ingredient of economic production08:29
doc|homec2pLaY: or hasn't gotten to that far yet08:29
doc|homewhat we have now is practically fascism08:29
doc|homestates control a lot of production through private companies08:29
RST38hare you guys all talking about the same place?>\ =)08:30
ruskieno clue08:30
c2pLaYlol no08:30
ruskieI'm confused as well08:30
doc|homec2pLaY: sure, though in case you forget, corporations are, by definition, government entities.08:30
pupnik__c2pLaY: corporatism is a word with a well-defined meaning08:30
dangergrrlhe was faulty08:30
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c2pLaYi think we're referring to western civilization in general08:30
c2pLaYim in canada08:30
RST38hCorporations are NOT, by definition, gvernment entities.08:30
dangergrrlif corporations are government entities we live in a soviet state08:30
c2pLaYthere's some small differences08:30
c2pLaYbut not really08:31
doc|homeRST38h: yes, they are.08:31
RST38hSome pretty much are, nowadays, but not by definition08:31
c2pLaYmaybe totalitarianism would be a better term08:31
RST38hdangergrrl<-- never lived in a soviet state =)08:31
dangergrrldo you have a choice in government?08:31
c2pLaYeither way we're all scewed08:31
doc|homeRST38h: they're not government run, but corporations are organisations that come about due to government requirements/incentives. Look up the history of "corporation".08:31
dangergrrli got a choice between a man who promised 100 years of war and a man who lied through his teeth about what he would do08:32
c2pLaYunless people start kicking out the bums and voting in the right representitives08:32
doc|homeRST38h: no to ?08:32
pupnik__right dangergrrl08:32
c2pLaYyeah the choices aren't that great08:32
RST38hA corporation is a way for a business owner to protect himself from the risks related to the running of business08:32
dangergrrland satrah palin08:32
c2pLaYin a majority of situations08:32
dangergrrlshe scared me08:32
RST38hdangergrrl: Take the Sarah, for the LULZ!08:32
doc|homeRST38h: that's an incentive, but not the only one, and definitely not the originating one.08:33
c2pLaYcorporations shouldn't be liable?08:33
c2pLaYis that really what ur saying?08:33
c2pLaYyou don't actually believe that do you?08:33
RST38hdoc: It is a legal incentive, but it does not make corp a government entity, sorry08:33
RST38hc2play: No08:33
dangergrrlwe should al be liable08:33
doc|homeRST38h: you haven't looked up the history, have you?08:33
c2pLaYkk just making sure08:33
pupnik__there was a great choice in 200708:33
RST38hc2play: What I am saying is that a business owner is not PERSONALLY liable for the losses accrued by his incorporated business08:33
doc|homeRST38h: "A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members."08:34
dangergrrli take responsibility for my actions08:34
dangergrrlshould not you?08:34
RST38hdoc: Ok, and where is the government here?08:34
dangergrrlunion carbide08:34
doc|homeRST38h: given "legal" = what the governments decide is law, that makes it a government (perhaps I should have added designated?) entity.08:34
* RST38h sighs again08:34
dangergrrlshould they pay 5mil?08:34
RST38hdoc: You have got a driver's license, haven'tyou?08:34
dangergrrlor more perhaps?08:34
doc|homeRST38h: no08:34
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c2pLaYthe corporatoins and government are on the same team08:34
RST38hdoc: Ok. Got a passport then?08:35
doc|homec2pLaY: many are08:35
doc|homeRST38h: yes08:35
dangergrrlshould union carbide pay the people in india they injured?08:35
c2pLaYso they pretty much are part of the government08:35
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c2pLaYnot officially08:35
c2pLaYbut that's the way it is08:35
dangergrrlthey don't08:35
RST38hdoc:Nice. Passport makes you a legal entity, acting under the laws of the state which issued you a passport08:35
dangergrrlyes men08:35
dangergrrlis a great film08:35
c2pLaYit was entertaining for sure08:35
c2pLaYthat phoney news conference was the best part for sure08:36
c2pLaYi was loling so hard08:36
dangergrrland they were morally right08:36
doc|homeRST38h: I don't see a parallel.08:36
RST38hdangergrrl: I think Union Carbide should detonate whatever they release into atmosphere, with a huge bang and flash that can be seen from space08:36
RST38hdangergrrl: For the LULZ08:36
doc|homeRST38h: I'm still an individual, I just hold a passport from my country.08:36
dangergrrlno for the principals08:36
doc|homeRST38h: corporations are not the same. They are separate entities.08:36
ruskiejust like you are a separate entity08:37
dangergrrlis microsoft bill gates?08:37
dangergrrlis whoracle larry ellison?08:37
c2pLaYcorporations were created with jurisdiction in mind08:37
RST38hdoc: so are you08:37
c2pLaYits all about contracts08:37
dangergrrlthose people are outside the law08:37
doc|homeRST38h: what?08:37
c2pLaYand law08:37
c2pLaYthat's why your name on your drivers licence08:38
c2pLaYis all capital letters08:38
RST38hdangergrrl: Bonus points for radioactive pollution, sufficient to scare humans off, yet insufficient to seriously harmthe wildlife08:38
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c2pLaYcause you are a fictional corporate entity08:38
dangergrrlanyhow i was trying to tal about how we can bring freedom to the world with handsets08:38
RST38hdoc: you are a separate legal entity08:38
c2pLaYunder maritime jurisdiciton08:38
doc|homec2pLaY: it's still you though, it's not the license itself that's the entity.08:38
RST38hdoc: if you kill someone, YOU get prosecuted, not your family or school or city08:38
doc|homeRST38h: yes, and the license doesn't change that.08:38
dangergrrlmy name is legally all lowercase08:38
c2pLaYyou are correct doc08:38
RST38hHence: SEPARATE legal entity08:38
c2pLaYbut there are two different entities08:39
doc|homeRST38h: separate from what? the passport changes nothing08:39
dangergrrland spelled with alpha08:39
c2pLaYthe human being and the fictional entity08:39
c2pLaYyes they are very seperate08:39
RST38hdoc: Separate from other legal entities of course, same as any corporation in fact08:39
c2pLaYexcept for in criminal matters im pretty sure08:39
RST38hdangegrrl: no digits though?08:40
doc|homeRST38h: that doesn't make any sense. A corporation is separate from its owners.08:40
doc|homeas you said.08:40
dangergrrlalpha r i alpha na08:40
RST38hdoc: correct. so what?08:40
c2pLaYor maybe criminal law applies to common law jurisdiction08:40
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doc|homeRST38h: so it's not the same. I am not separate from my passport.08:40
dangergrrlno but i am into body mod08:40
doc|homemy passport is not an entity in its own right.08:40
c2pLaYyou are seperate from your passport08:40
RST38hdoc: Your passport is not a separate legal entity. It is a document, a piece of paper08:40
dangergrrli think i will get magnets in my fingers soon08:41
doc|homeRST38h: that's what I've been saying since the very beginning!! :)08:41
c2pLaYcause you can choose when to be an "individual" and or " fictional entity"08:41
doc|homeRST38h: so they are not parallels!08:41
doc|homeRST38h: anyway, time for me to eat.08:41
RST38hdoc: But YOU are a separate legal entity. So is a corporation.08:41
RST38hYour passport is the proof of you being a separate legal entity08:41
c2pLaYRST38h is correct08:41
RST38hFor the coporation, the proof is probably going to be the rules of incorporation or something08:42
doc|homeRST38h: I am a person. I can not be dissolved, or created. A corporation can. It is not the same thing.08:42
RST38hAlso a piece of paper, when it comes down to it08:42
RST38hdoc: Of course you can be dissolved08:42
doc|homeRST38h: a corporation only exists because a government permits it to. By definition.08:42
doc|homewhat? how?08:42
RST38hdoc: plenty of ways to do that08:42
RST38hdoc: various chemicals mostly08:42
c2pLaYdisolved isn't the same as dead08:43
doc|homeRST38h: I live in a civilised country where they don't do that kind of thing :P08:43
RST38hc2play: no, but there is an arrow there08:43
c2pLaYbut depends on which jurisdiction you are talking about08:43
RST38hdoc: Unless they absolutely need it of course.08:43
c2pLaYa natural person cannot be disolved08:43
c2pLaYjust dead08:43
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c2pLaYlike kennedy08:44
yigalit's a bit unsettling when one does as well at chess drunk if not better than one is sober08:44
yigalI must relax08:44
dangergrrlyigal: i suck at chess08:45
dangergrrlhow about spades?08:45
RST38hyigal: think of the giraffes. the color. the neck. the spots.08:45
* RST38h goes to work. Screw the giraffes.08:46
yigalerr, .. lol08:46
dangergrrli would love a 4 player spades now08:46
dangergrrli have never done bridge08:46
yigalI here that it can be quite a complex adventure08:46
dangergrrlsupposed to be more computational than chess08:47
yigalwell then there's Go08:47
yigalthe master of these types of games, I'm not so good at that08:47
dangergrrlwhich is deceptivly simple08:47
yigalas is so much of the good stuff08:48
dangergrrlspades is an emotional play in person08:48
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dangergrrlyou read your partner08:48
yigalI like games, they rock08:48
yigalhow many pages/minutes jk08:48
dangergrrli lijke partner games08:49
yigalya it's a great way to learn to work together08:49
dangergrrlbtw the finns are the most lethal army08:49
yigalhow do you make that assesment08:49
doc|home50 year old statistics need not apply!08:50
dangergrrlfinns vs stalin 1939 winter war08:50
* doc|home saw that coming08:50
dangergrrlso you win08:50
doc|homethe russians didn't have nukes in 3908:50
yigalguerilla war08:50
dangergrrlthey still beat 100:108:50
yigallocals got home team advtange08:50
doc|homedangergrrl: that's nothing compared to what a few nukes can do :)08:50
dangergrrlnukes are off the table08:51
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doc|homenukes are never off the table08:51
dangergrrlfighting is off the table for me08:51
doc|homeso your deadliness ratio is 0:1, with you being the 1 they get :)08:51
yigalas has already been mentioned a thousand times over the firebombing in WW2 was far more damaging than nukes for Nihon08:51
dangergrrlyou want to hurt me?08:52
dangergrrli will not resist08:52
dangergrrlso what08:52
doc|homeyigal: not on a per bomb basis :)08:52
yigal4 sure08:52
yigalgood band08:53
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dangergrrlanyhow what news should i watch?08:55
dangergrrlthey moved to seatlle08:55
dangergrrllike 10 years ago08:56
yigalthere are many "news" media sources08:56
yigalkpfa or kpfk are fun08:56
dangergrrli like rt08:56
yigalI think you would like them08:56
yigalfor CA08:56
dangergrrli grew up on kpft08:56
yigalkpfa is the first pacifica, berekley08:57
yigalkpfa 2nd in los angeles08:57
dangergrrlkpfk is la?08:57
yigaland then it spread08:57
dangergrrlat any cost08:57
yigalin love's name08:57
dangergrrlwould you love hitler?08:58
dangergrrlor obama?08:58
yigalhypothetical question to a Jew08:58
yigalyes I love all08:58
dangergrrlwhat he does is wrong08:58
yigallove isn't right or wrong08:58
doc|homeit's blind08:59
yigalwrong is wrong and right is right and they are unrelated to love08:59
dangergrrlosama deserved the light of truth08:59
yigalit's universeal08:59
doc|homeall he got was the light from a flash of a muzzle08:59
dangergrrland that was unrighteous08:59
doc|homemeh, righteousness is overrated for mass murderers09:00
dangergrrlobama is a mass murderer09:00
yigalcomplexity is unrelated to mass adoption09:00
doc|homedangergrrl: no argument here09:00
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dangergrrlbush too09:00
dangergrrlwhy are we different?09:00
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doc|homedangergrrl: dunno about you, but I'm not a mass murderer09:01
dangergrrli am not either09:01
dangergrrli may be a rapist09:01
dangergrrlwe are all somewhat evil09:01
yigalbush pretended to be an idiot and gave up his chance for me to respect him09:01
dangergrrlbut i do not believe in original sin09:01
dangergrrlbush lied09:02
dangergrrlpeople died09:02
dangergrrlobama lied too though09:02
yigalhow dare a person pretend to be an idiot and start a war, when he isn't09:02
yigalof course both are at fault for this09:02
yigalwhat's to do09:02
dangergrrland he covered up bush lie by killing the evidence09:02
dangergrrlbush brought down the wtc09:03
yigalobama the lesser of 2 evils Cheney/Palin vs. Obama?09:03
yigalnever a reasonable choice09:03
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dangergrrlhis best friend is osama bin laden brother09:04
dangergrrljello for president09:04
dangergrrlmy homeboy09:04
dangergrrlbut he does not run09:05
dangergrrlhe sponsors nader09:05
yigalhow related are Bush and Obama?09:05
doc|homeyigal: same father, and mother09:05
kerioyigal: they were US presidents at some point in their life09:05
dangergrrlnot true09:05
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doc|homebut ssshhh, don't tell the demopublicans09:05
yigalno no, 11th cousins ok09:05
dangergrrlsame falsehoods09:05
yigalstill a bit odd09:05
doc|homeyigal: politically speaking, they could be twins09:06
dangergrrlwe deserve better09:06
kerioso why do you keep voting them09:06
chxif you believe that policitcally Obama and Bush could be twins I feel pity for you09:06
dangergrrldoc|home: none observes that but amy goodman09:06
yigalwe deserve someone with an iq of 180 who is interested in world peace but we're not going to get it without a fight, and do we really want an oligarchy anyways09:07
dangergrrlthey both represent opression of the lower class09:07
doc|homedangergrrl: plenty observe that, though I'm no fan of amy goodman either personally. Not since she started inviting Naomi Klein onto the show. What a moron.09:07
doc|homechx: really, then where's the change?09:07
dangergrrlamy tells truth09:07
dangergrrlwho do you believe?09:07
dangergrrlglenn beck?09:07
chxdoc|home: there has been change even if not enough. it's slow hard work.09:08
doc|homedangergrrl: thanks for the assumptions. Much appreciated.09:08
dangergrrlno i assume nothing09:08
doc|homedangergrrl: you just did.09:08
dangergrrlbut what did she do wrong?09:08
doc|homechx: like the troops being taken out of iraq, and the closing of gitmo? How about the patriot act? wait, no, he voted *for* that. Erm... erm... hmmm...09:08
yigalI believe Beck Hansen09:08
dangergrrlglenn beck is obviously an idot09:09
doc|homedangergrrl: naomi klein is more than enough09:09
dangergrrlwhat did naomi say?09:09
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doc|homedangergrrl: and there's the guy who wrote the blackwater book whose name I can't remember offhand. Talk about a weird way of viewing things. A company funded by the government is somehow an example of what private security would be?!09:10
dangergrrlino amy is not impartial09:10
doc|homedangergrrl: aye09:10
dangergrrlshe is partial to my views09:10
dangergrrlwisconsin is a mess09:10
doc|homeanyway, eating time. bye09:10
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dangergrrlwe need socialixation09:11
doc|homedangergrrl: you really don't.09:11
dangergrrli should try sleep(0)09:11
dangergrrlwe need bandwidth09:11
doc|homeno you don't09:12
dangergrrl1 gb09:12
doc|homeyou  *want* bandwidth09:12
doc|homeneed != want09:12
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dangergrrlno we need09:12
dangergrrldemocracy and freedom need it09:12
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doc|homeI want 1gb, but you know what, I won't pay for it. Why? it's not worth it. 10mb is more than enough...09:12
dangergrrlso i can watch my heroine live in hd09:12
doc|homeso why expect everyone else pay for it?09:12
doc|homedangergrrl: you can do that on 10mb09:13
dangergrrlit should be avail09:13
dangergrrlchatanooga has 1gb09:13
doc|homealso, watching your heroine is a want, not a need09:13
dangergrrlcost 350/mp09:13
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dangergrrlanyhow amy is sweet09:14
dangergrrllove her09:14
dangergrrland she plays on n90009:14
dangergrrl\so we should make a 1000 tablet09:14
dangergrrlneeds 8gb ram09:15
dangergrrlruns gebtoo09:15
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yigaldangergrrl: are you a vegetarian?09:45
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yigalas I thought this is the world we live in09:49
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Mecehey, anyone here work with qml on mac?10:18
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RST38hanything important?11:03
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RST38hhey wazd, how are things11:09
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wazdRST38h: heya :) Workin' hard on my presentation :)11:16
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RST38hwazd: Ah, isn't it going to be interactive? =)11:17
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crashanddie"Dude, did I hear you talk to your weed?" "Yeah" "Haha, does it have a name?" "Q'ran" "Haha... Wait... what? Why?" "Cuz when you burn and smoke it, you get stoned."11:30
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chem|sthey crashanddie long time no see11:34
crashanddieyeah, been busy11:35
crashanddiehow's you, chem|st?11:35
chem|stlike in I am ready to shoot a bullet in my head but still try to get over these QM forms11:36
chem|stbut fine ;)11:36
chem|stan you? what kept you busy so long11:36
crashanddiework :)11:36
chem|streminds me to buy the t-shirt reading "what for this shit I logged off?"11:37
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wazdRST38h: I hope not :D11:58
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wazdRST38h: don't have enough time to make interactive demos :(11:59
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RST38hwazd: No, I thought you were going to ask for UI designs from the audience and work through them?12:20
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wazdRST38h: Nope, the idea is to tell about latest trends in UI/UX using existing community software :)12:24
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wazdRST38h: for example: (wip)12:27
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wazdRST38h: Ed Page's audiobook player :)12:27
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RST38hwazd: !12:28
RST38hwazd: Does it run under Maemo5? =)12:28
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wazdRST38h: it only runs under photoshop currently :)12:29
wazdRST38h: but I don't see a big problem to run it under m5 :)12:29
RST38hwazd: As long as Photoshop runs there, indeed =)12:30
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RST38hMeanwhile: 4.8" Acer phone hits the FCC12:32
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ShadowJK4.8? awesome :)12:36
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pupcow16515 16514 user     R    24672 10.0 16.3 ./daimonin --server=112:38
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jogawinning what?12:42
jogayou mean running the daimonin server on fone? ;)12:42
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pupcowjoga no, client13:45
pupcowidling at about 22.2% atm, 305mA current drain13:46
pupcowi have no idea how it got below 2013:46
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HukkaIs there a way to prevent "pocket blank", that is the display won't activate when receiving a call, if it's in a pocket?13:49
ShadowJKwhat's daimonin?13:50
pupcowa simple online roguelike with decent looking isometric graphics13:50
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ShadowJK305mA sounds high :)13:51
pupcowif i let it run full-bore it pulls 470 mA13:51
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pupcowbeen at it a couple of weeks to get it down from 370 :/13:51
pupcownow it's back around 33013:51
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pupcoweven if i reduce screen updates to 1 fps it still wants to pull 280mA13:54
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robbiethe1st'Cause it's not the CPU that uses power, realy13:54
robbiethe1stScreen uses /far/ more13:54
pupcowbout 120 mA atm13:55
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SpeedEvilpupcow: powertop13:56
SpeedEvilDamn - I need to finish this13:56
pupcowwhat do you think i can learn from powertop13:57
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pupcowhow much the backlight is using?13:57
pupcowtell me SpeedEvil13:57
pupcowi know how much the backlight is using13:57
pupcowso tell me13:57
pupcowbtw powertop segfaults here13:57
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chem|stHukka: what are you trying to achive?13:59
SpeedEvilThe power used on the backlight is essentially negligable usually if you have it set to the dimmest13:59
SpeedEvilsee 'advanced backlight widget'13:59
chem|stpupcow: powertop wfm13:59
SpeedEvilOr whatever it's called13:59
pupcowwow, so is my car if i don't drive it13:59
Hukkachem|st: I have a transparent pocket that the proximity sensor sees as opaque. I can operate the phone just fine through it, but when I'm called the screen does not activate13:59
Hukkachem|st: If there was a way to enable/disable that, I could use it when I put my phone in the pocket and take it out14:00
chem|stpupcow: from powertop you can learn in more detail what exactly is using the 330mA14:00
pupcowfor example what14:00
pupcowpowertop segfaults btw14:00
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chem|stpupcow: read it and don't knwo why your powertop segfaults...14:01
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robbiethe1stYes, it does. it always does14:01
robbiethe1stIt returns some good data, though14:01
ShadowJKrun powertop as root14:01
chem|stHukka: why are you using a transparent pocket?14:01
chem|stjust cut out the bit on top of the sensor...14:01
Hukkachem|st: Ummm, I really don't like that idea14:02
HukkaAs it is, the pocket is weatherproof14:02
chem|stHukka: why?14:02
chem|stah ok, n900 resists 0.5L cokeed-wheat-beer, smells funny but survived14:03
HukkaWell, even then wouldn't want to risk it, nor let rain go into the rest of the pocket14:03
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HukkaAnd it's not really a matter of "surviving" as "operating as usual"14:04
chem|strain? are you living in the rain forest or england that rain is a big issue14:04
HukkaJust Finland14:04
pupcowwater can kill your n90014:04
chem|stpupcow: so can staring at it14:04
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pupcowok SpeedEvil what does this mean14:05
pupcowusbhost |OFF: 100%|RET:   0%|INA:   0%| ON:   0%| now:(OFF)14:05
pupcow    sgx |OFF: 100%|RET:   0%|INA:   0%| ON:   0%| now:(OFF)14:05
pupcow    per |OFF:   0%|RET:  50%|INA:   0%| ON:  49%| now:(ON)14:05
pupcow    dss |OFF:   0%|RET:   0%|INA:   0%| ON: 100%| now:(ON)14:05
pupcow    cam |OFF: 100%|RET:   0%|INA:   0%| ON:   0%| now:(OFF)14:05
pupcow   core |OFF:   0%|RET:   0%|INA:  50%| ON:  49%| now:(ON)14:05
pupcow   neon |OFF:   0%|RET:   0%|INA:  50%| ON:  49%| now:(ON)14:05
pupcow    mpu |OFF:   0%|RET:   0%|INA:  50%| ON:  49%| now:(ON)14:05
Hukkapupcow: Next time, pastebin14:05
psycho_oreosugh flood14:05
chem|stthe point is that answering phonecalls in a sealed pocket wont give good results at the earpiece volume14:05
Hukkachem|st: Of course not14:06
chem|stso why answer them?14:06
HukkaBut there are speaker and handsfree options14:06
chem|sthandsfree options do not need a working display if chosen right14:06
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chem|stbut I understand your issue14:06
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HukkaAlso it's a matter of even noticing the call, if I'm not wearing the earplugs14:07
chem|stpupcow: pastebin the whole output!14:07
SpeedEvilpupcow: The Off refers to how much the functional unit is switched off. The on to how much it's used, the ina to how much timr it's on but inactive14:08
pupcowwhat's "per"?14:10
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pupcowwhat's "dss"14:10
HukkaAlso it would be nice to make the display activate on touch when it has gone to idle sleep14:11
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chem|stHukka: search for "not deactivating touchscreen when going blank" or something in tmo14:17
chem|stHukka: read about it somewhere14:17
HukkaI'll try that. I've been searching, but not with those keywords14:18
chem|stHukka: that means that you have to lock the touchscreen by hand - gets anoying over time14:18
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HukkaSure, but given a proper command line spell, I would make a small app that would toggle it14:19
chem|stas if it is laying there screen off you have to remember if it is idle off or not as you want to put it in oyur pocket14:19
HukkaI was thinking about making the same script change the notification light14:20
HukkaWould be easy to see when it's in special mode14:20
chem|styeah but gets interupted with anything from mce14:20
chem|stsounds like a battery drainer14:21
Hukkachem|st: It might not work sure, but don't shoot the idea down before I have even managed to try it!14:21
HukkaIf you don't know how to do it, just say so, not tell me that I don't want it at all14:21
SpeedEvilMCE does not flash lights with MCE14:23
SpeedEvilMCE uses the hw LED flasher14:23
HukkaHeh, I found the opposite; how to keep the display on without touch control14:24
chem|stDocScrutinizer: how precise are the accelerometers in the n90014:26
chem|stMohammadAG: or you could know that ^^14:26
SpeedEvilNot very14:26
SpeedEvilFrom memory - 18mg is the resolution14:26
DocScrutinizerheh, you got the datasheet - no?14:26
chem|stDocScrutinizer: nope14:26
SpeedEvilThe accuracy is 4 or 5 lsbs14:27
SpeedEvilgoogle lsm303dlh14:27
SpeedEvilfor the datasheet14:27
SpeedEvilThen it gets more complex - there is noise - which is not listed in the datasheet.14:27
SpeedEvilsorry, yes14:27
SpeedEvilI've been looking at the lsm303 datasheet, and got confused. Above answers are correct though14:27
chem|stI am looking for something to log accel over time with sensitivity <0.4G14:28
SpeedEvilIt can do that then.14:28
SpeedEvilwhy 0.4g?14:28
chem|stmachine specification is <0.4G vibrations14:28
chem|stso I need something thats noise is lower than <0.4G14:29
SpeedEvilIt's much more complex thern.14:29
DocScrutinizerbut you'll want to use full fledged 400Hz samplefreq14:29
SpeedEvilAs while at rDC the resolution is comfortably under 0.4Hz - resonances in the case and other things would make me suspect any frequencies much over 10hz14:30
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: what is the full name of it as I get various lis302xxx things14:30
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chem|stis there an cli for it or have I to mess with bare I2C14:33
SpeedEvilThere is a sysnode14:33
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DocScrutinizersensitivity 18mg/digit14:34
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dangergrrlmorning :)14:35
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chem|st+- 10mg at 20°C14:35
SpeedEvilI think that's 10 digits, not miligee14:35
chem|stis says zero g +-0.5 mg/°C14:36
SpeedEvilThat's the drift14:36
SpeedEvilIt doesn't work that way14:37
SpeedEvilThe zero is not at 0C14:37
SpeedEvilIt's probably at 25C14:37
SpeedEvilThere is an additional accuracy spec14:37
chem|stmax delta at 25°C it says14:37
SpeedEvilok - loaded now14:38
chem|stso I have 5*0.5mg for 20°?!14:38
DocScrutinizerTable 3.14:38
DocScrutinizerMechanical characteristics(1)14:38
chem|st+-40mg for 2G range14:38
DocScrutinizer(All the parameters are specified @ Vdd=2.5 V, T = 25°C unless otherwise noted)14:38
SpeedEvilTyOff - typical zero g level offset accuracy - +-40mg14:38
SpeedEvilOr 60 at high range14:38
chem|stDocScrutinizer: thats table 2 but nvm14:39
DocScrutinizerthat's offset, completely irrelevant for your usecase14:39
SpeedEvilIt will then drift by .01% of fullscale per C14:39
SpeedEvilSo for +-2g, that's 4 milligee per C14:40
SpeedEvilFrom 25C nominal14:40
chem|stso how do I put that thing in 0 bit mode and the frequency to 400kHz and log it?14:40
* chem|st has no clue about that thing14:40
SpeedEvilThen you haver the 18mg resoluition, and noise.14:41
SpeedEvilI had shell script, but I lost it14:41
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: check what sysnodes you got14:41
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SpeedEvilecho 400 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/rate14:42
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SpeedEvilwhile true14:42
SpeedEvilcat coord14:42
DocScrutinizerwell, you *might* want to add a `sleep 0.0025`14:43
DocScrutinizeras there's no proper event driven sync to datarate afaik14:43
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DocScrutinizerof course the overhead in a shellscript starts to become unbearable on that usecase. Just the 400 times /s opening and closing the sysnode is crap14:47
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DocScrutinizeryou definitely want to implement that in c14:47
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SpeedEvilI don't know what's up14:48
SpeedEvilThat used to go at 400/sec14:48
SpeedEvilAnd not use too much CPU14:48
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DocScrutinizerusually (as you need root) you will freeze the device with such a script14:49
DocScrutinizermaybe waiting for IO (here I2C) made it work14:49
DocScrutinizerstill all the stat(), open(), close() in cat are fugly14:51
chem|styou people are the hackers here I have no idea... simplest setup: set 400kHz, read coord and write to accel.log in current folder till ctrl-c'ed, reset rate to 100kHz14:51
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linuxparanoidHello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power?14:51
DocScrutinizerwhat's xt_owner??14:52
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linuxparanoidDocScrutinizer, for iptables14:53
SpeedEvilIt's a netfilter or whatever they're calling it these days - module to allow filtering of net connections by owner14:53
linuxparanoidI need it for transparent torifying14:54
DocScrutinizerchem|st: try tail instead cat, and exec >accel.log14:54
SpeedEvilI use it with rtmpsuck to copy flash content14:54
SpeedEvilIt only outputs one14:54
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SpeedEvilone reading14:54
Mecehey, i'm trying to build for maemo from qtsdk on a mac, and I have trouble with glibc.h missing. how does one go about adding external library headers to the sysroot thing?14:55
DocScrutinizerhmm, then maybe exec < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord >accel.log and simply use cat without any parameters14:55
DocScrutinizermeh, write a proper c proggie14:56
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: shiprolling seems to have a logger functionality14:57
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linuxparanoid<SpeedEvil> And where did you get it? I cannot find a package "rtmpsuck" through apt|aptitude15:01
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chem|stit says it exports a logfile... try to find / it as it isn't in MyDocs...15:01
SpeedEvillinuxparanoid: it's part of rtmpdump15:02
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linuxparanoidSpeedEvil, and how it can load a module which is not in the system?15:05
SpeedEvilIt can't.15:05
linuxparanoid# find / -name "*xt_owner*"/lib/xtables/libxt_owner.so15:05
SpeedEvilYou need to compile it, or get it compiled for your kernel.15:06
chem|stDocScrutinizer: what are the readings in? mg?15:06
linuxparanoidbut I have no it in /lib/kernel15:06
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DocScrutinizer-54 -54 -1008 - so yes, mg15:07
linuxparanoidSpeedEvil, when I can get sources for its compiling? Compatible with my installed kernel and architecture of my device?15:07
chem|stso 0 is parallel to ground and -1000 is antirectangular...15:08
chem|stand so on15:08
SpeedEvilWherever you got your current kernel, under the proivisions of the GPL licence.15:08
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Meceoh oh.. is there a simple way to upgrade sdk to cssu?15:08
Mecemaemo sdk15:09
E0xi think you just need add the repo15:09
E0xand apt-get upgrade15:09
E0xor something15:09
VenemoI discovered that allowing make to compile with more than one process simultaneously increases the build speed by a ridiculously large amount15:10
MohammadAGwho has a facebook account?15:11
linuxparanoidSpeedEvil, I get it from extras-devel repository.  There is "kernel-power-source" there. Do I need all kernel sources and compile the whole kernel?15:11
SpeedEvilI'm unsure.15:13
DocScrutinizerusually not, if you keep the version etc15:13
SpeedEvilVenemo: On n900, yes, it does a  bit15:13
MeceE0x, happen to have the repo adress handy?15:13
SpeedEvillinuxparanoid: usually, you can compile the same version of the kernel, adn teh module will work15:13
MohammadAGVenemo, I use -j 6 :P15:14
Meceit's deb fremantle free non-free afaict15:14
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VenemoMohammadAG, me too now :)15:16
chem|stok the roof vibrations is set then... now I need something <0.4µg ... any ideas?15:18
SpeedEvilThat is rather harder.15:18
SpeedEvilYou're pretty much out of the range of all MEMs devices except perhaps the one costing several hundred dollars an axis.15:19
SpeedEvilAt what frequency?15:19
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chem|stno idea but the faster the better15:20
SpeedEvilWhat's it to measure?15:20
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SpeedEvilPriobably better to continue in ##electronics - wherre others may have an idea.15:22
chem|stnvm.. an idea where to rent for some days would be enough15:23
SpeedEvilNo clue.15:24
SpeedEvilAt the ug range, you may be looking at microphones, or even seismometers.15:25
Khertan1Venemo: i use -j6 too with a core i5 quad core15:26
SpeedEvil-j2 is noticably faster oin n90015:27
DocScrutinizerno wnder, waiting for IO the CPU can compile in another job15:27
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smoophDocScrutinizer ... I got the the batterypack from ... pearl ... I didn't work because of the known usb-spec problem ... but I build an adaptor for it ... Just so you know :D15:29
DocScrutinizersmooph: hey, glad to help :-D15:30
DocScrutinizerI took the talk we had for an opportunity to fix my own batterypack - I added a ~3mm wide strip of copper foil over the middle two contacts of the female USB-A adapter of the pack ;-D15:32
DocScrutinizeradmittedly doesn't work too well and was a real annoyance15:33
smoophI just cut the cable of an usb extender and put them back together15:33
DocScrutinizersure, it's probably the most easy and safe method15:33
smoophnow whenever I want to use the batterypack I put the extender betweej15:34
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DocScrutinizer(-jN) depending on ratio of CPU to IO-wait, even -j3 or -j4 may increase speed15:35
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DocScrutinizerprobably -j6 is a good compromise, as you for sure use all IO-wait time, while overhead for switching is low - as long as it's not running short of ram and constantly swapping15:37
DocScrutinizertop will tell15:38
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DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕15:44
edheldildepends on storage speeds, I think. The faster the disk, the more overhead you get from additional processes's task switches15:44
* DocScrutinizer ran out of milk :-S15:44
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DocScrutinizeredheldil: indeed it's tricky, been pondering it for the last 10 min, it's really non-trivial15:45
DocScrutinizereven depends on source code you are going to compile15:46
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edheldilI was compiling some inhouse app on a virtualized server with two? virtual cpus and anything beyond -j2 or -j3 was taking longer and longer15:47
edheldilbut I have not hard figures handy atm.15:48
edheldilbut you are probably right that it depends on source code as well15:48
DocScrutinizeryay, virtualized server, even one more complex variable15:48
edheldilhehe, sure. It was probably a bad example :)15:49
DocScrutinizertends to become an unsolvable equation ;-)15:49
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RST38hedheldil: I am sure if you use -j16, it will suddenly become faster15:51
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DocScrutinizerbottom line: it makes sense to use -jN with N > nr_of_cores, but you will have to test for the optimum N anyway15:52
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RST38hedheldil: After all, you can add as many virtual CPUs as you wish, that is what virtualization is all about!15:52
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: there's been a SF-story where a guy managed to emulate a more powerful computer in a small one - ok it's been quantum computers15:53
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DocScrutinizeron quantum computers you (afaiui) can fork() as many times as you like, and there's no reduction in computing speed of the particular thread15:57
edheldilif you are not concerned with speed, it's doable :)15:57
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edheldilforgive my perhaps inappropriate question, but how can I download angry birds to n900 from For some strange reason, n900 version of the game is only visible when browsing from a desktop computer, not from n900 ...15:59
edheldilbut the level packs are visible even on n90015:59
keriostupid OVI16:00
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edheldilI wonder if it could be due to disabling MyNokia, as they seem to be connected ...16:06
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Sicelohmm :/16:27
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Siceloi want to buy N900 in South Africa, and looking at this:
DocScrutinizerRST38h: funny16:28
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Sicelonow, does N900 come in other colors besides black?16:28
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SpeedEvilSicelo: No.16:29
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Sicelothat's the thing.. now this guy says, at the question and answer box: hello yes i have stock, i can ship to swaliland but will cost an additional R200, what color do you want?16:30
SpeedEvilI would be worrying that it's a fake.16:30
Sicelothat's my concern too16:30
SpeedEvilUnless he is meaning a clip-on-cover16:31
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SpeedEvilFor example16:32
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Sicelothanks SpeedEvil. i'll investigate further.. the guy does seem to have high rankings on the site, assuming they are legit rankings :/16:33
SpeedEvilIf you look closely, then I think that only the top couple of pics are 'real' - the rest are of a n90016:34
SpeedEvilIf you have a way of getting back the money if he intends to defraud you - then great16:34
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Sicelo:) i'd rather not go down that route... getting back the money, no :P16:36
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crashanddieSicelo, it's fake16:36
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edheldil description: free shipping cheap mobile N900 clone phones with high quality16:37
edheldilnote the word "clone"16:37
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crashanddieSicelo, is registered to a Chinese company.16:38
Sicelothanks :)16:38
edheldilah, sorry, got lost in the conversation16:38
Sicelothat email, it's from the link i gave, or SpeedEvil's?16:38
crashanddieOh, SpeedEvil's16:39
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Sicelonp.. but i'm still worried with mine16:40
SpeedEviledheldil:  - sure - however it's a little bit misleading to only have two photos of your product, and lots of the real one16:40
Sicelobetter a used N900 than a new fake ;)16:40
SpeedEviledheldil: I have no specific problem with fake n900s - as long as the user knows what they're getting.16:40
SpeedEvilSome are even better than the real on in eome ways.16:40
edheldileh :)16:40
* Sicelo fully agrees with SpeedEvil.. "as long as the user knows what they're getting"16:41
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edheldilI have got ovi store send me an sms with dload link for AB, but it does not work   :(16:41
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abedheldil, you can't download me from ovi store, I don't work this way.16:47
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edheldilab: :)16:50
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* GAN900 notes a self-cleaning oven works wonders as a cast-iron rest button.16:50
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crashanddierest or reset?17:16
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GAN900crashanddie, reset.17:30
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TronicWhat is a cast-iron reset button?17:45
GAN900Tronic, burn all of the seasoning off.17:45
GAN900Down to the bare metal.17:46
TronicAh, I suppose that *is* the purpose of the feature.17:46
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* Tronic bought a cheaper model that has everything but that.17:46
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TronicNo high temperature burn but grease-resistant surface coating.17:47
GAN900My foolish sister decided to scrub down all of my cast iron cookware and let it dry in a stack by the sink.17:47
GAN900Helloooo, rust!17:47
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TronicHave you tried those new ceramic frying pans?17:48
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TronicI had a couple. They are wonderful for anything where high temperatures are required (i.e. where you'd normally use cast iron) but not quite as non-stick as teflon (but close enough). The problem is that if you leave any food in one, it won't be non-stick anymore and cannot be repaired :(17:50
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TronicSo, I am mostly back to teflon, only occassionally using cast iron.17:51
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lolcatTronic: I think ##cooking would be more appropriate. And no, I only have one teflon pan and I am very happy with its high temp capabilities17:51
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GAN900Tronic, rather use cast iron.17:56
GAN900Cheap, cheap, cheap17:56
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crashanddielolcat, I'm an op, and I authorise this conversation18:11
crashanddielolcat, Considering less than 50 lines have been said in the past 3 hours or so...18:11
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lolcatcrashanddie: I understand that, I simply mentioned cooking because it probably will have a more concentrated amount of people interessted in cooking18:12
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* GAN900 bangs head on desk18:15
GAN900So, fsck is bugged.18:16
GAN900That's really helpful.18:16
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DocScrutinizerI hope it's not been one of Werner Almesberger's contributions18:41
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GAN900Given that wake from sleep doesn't work, either18:46
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GAN900I think I'm going to continue working towards getting OS X running.18:55
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Mecegaah this qt problem is giving me a headache!19:04
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trxi want to try to compile a driver for ath9k_htc usb wireless card from, on its page it says that it requires a firmware19:06
trxare these .fw architecture specific?19:06
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pupnikhey GAN90019:12
pupnikbetter spell icons, color balancing:
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Mecewhoa..straceing big applications is interesting..19:41
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SpeedEvilgrrep can help19:43
SpeedEvilAnd you can tell strace to filter some things.19:43
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SpeedEvilOften though you need to hit the source and work out WRH it's doing though.19:43
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MeceI have no idea what to make of this.19:45
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SpeedEvilWhat are you trying to strace?19:45
Mecea qt app19:46
SpeedEvilEspecially given that strace doesn't understand dbus or network traffic, or ...19:46
SpeedEvilSo it can appear in many raw formats19:46
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Meceactually it's a qml app loaded in qdeclarativeview in a qt app, and reloading a certain type of xmllistview segfaults the app19:47
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Meceand only on maemo with cssu qt 4.7.2. the problem does not occur if I run the qml file with qmlviewer.19:48
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SpeedEvilAh - joy19:48
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Meceeither way it's superbly annoying.19:48
SpeedEvilyeah - that sort of crap is painful.19:48
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SpeedEvilYou don't really want strace.19:49
SpeedEvilYou want a X/... protocol stack viewer19:49
Meceno, I noticed.19:49
Mecedo we have that?19:49
SpeedEvilI have no idea.19:49
SpeedEvilSometimes they're out there.19:49
SpeedEvilI wonder if anones done anything related for wireshark.19:49
SpeedEvilThere are all sorts of wacky plugins for that - including ones to parse GSM stack.19:50
Mecebut the error is not in the networking.19:50
SpeedEvilI mean to parse the calls in a manner that understands the messages being passed.19:51
MeceI added some debug output to the qml. seems the file is loaded from the web, and then the model.xml = newxml19:51
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Mecethat starts the delegate rendering, and it gets through the stuff in the first delegate, then it segfaults19:52
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SpeedEvilAh - printf - an old and trusty friend.19:52
Meceactually I don't know if it actually gets to rendering.19:52
SpeedEvilYou've thought of gdb?19:52
Mecei don't remember how to use it.19:52
Mecei have it installed though19:53
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zakkkkmfor MFe it seems i need certificate installed on my phone. Is it just the certificate authority certificate i need?19:54
zakkkkmit seemed to work fine for stock maemo, but not in CSSU19:54
MeceSpeedEvil, how can I use gdb in this? I need to let the app load a bunch of stuff, then perform an action, then let it load and crash to actually create the issue...19:55
SpeedEvilOnce it crashes, it derops back into the debugger19:56
SpeedEvilAnd you can then inspec thte state of variables, and examine the stack19:56
Meceok i'll try it.19:56
SpeedEvilYou need to recompile it with debuggering symbols.19:56
jacekowskiyou can just enable core dumps19:56
jacekowskiyou don't have to19:56
jacekowskiyou can get a lot of info without symbols19:57
zakkkkm"this certificate is already installed as a certificate authority" but i cant seem to find it in certificate manager in settings19:57
Mecejacekowski, compile the app you mean?19:57
Mecejacekowski, do you happen to know how to enable that with qmake?19:58
jacekowskijust run it on debugger and maybe it will be something obvious19:58
jacekowskiif not then it will be more complicated19:58
jacekowskiMece: i don't remember19:58
jacekowskiMece: all you have to do is pass "-g" to compiler19:59
Mecejacekowski, hmm.. I compile by doing.. umm.. qmake -o Makefile projectthing.pro20:00
Meceand then make.20:00
MeceI think qmake has some debug flag.20:00
SpeedEvilgoogle qmake debug fag20:02
SpeedEvilqmake debug flags20:02
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dangergrrlmay the 4th be with you20:04
Meceheh qmake CONFIG+="debug" ...20:08
Meceok so now I have a binary with debug. now how do I use it?20:11
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zakkkkmanyone know how to fix exchange account disabled, access refused?20:30
zakkkkm(work exchange)20:30
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Mecewoooo! found the bug!20:40
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keriobarbra streisand20:51
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HukkaDocScrutinizer: That might count as cheating ;)20:52
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Mececrud. I don't have a good idea how to work around this...21:01
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fusi[n900]hhhmmm @ lxde.org21:03
Mecewhat about lxde?21:03
fusi[n900]domain name expired21:03
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DocScrutinizerlol -> RESUME(3)R EH Z AH M EY21:30
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GAN900Well, that only took 3 hours.21:38
GAN900Ubuntu boots, now let's see if resume does too!21:39
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* DocScrutinizer wonders which slang >>R EH Z AH M EY<< might be21:45
RST38hGAN: Upgrading to the latest and greatest?21:45
RST38hDoc: dull slashdotter geek21:45
RST38hDoc: or maybe cool primary school jock21:46
DocScrutinizerRESUMER IH Z UW M               RESUME(2)R IY Z UW M21:46
RST38hAh, wait, that is just how you write down the pronounciation in ASCII! =)21:46
GAN900RST38h, no upgrade. Clean install on my x22021:47
DocScrutinizerbut I tell ya I never would've understood R EH Z AH M EY21:47
GAN900But apparently fsck is broken21:47
GAN900Which makes the whole "Wont wake from sleep" thing rather unpleasant.21:47
DocScrutinizerhow is fsck broken?21:47
GAN900Had to put 10.04 on a USB key (after trying 11.04, systemrescuecd, and 10.10) to fsck it.21:48
GAN900Don't have the bug handy, but, basically, it thinks the volume is mounted when it reads the secondary superblock and stops.21:48
GAN900Wake from s2ram21:50
dangergrrli pronounce it with a u21:50
GAN900Close lid on the laptop, have to kill it to get it back again.21:50
GAN900Good for you21:50
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pupniksomebody typed 'orz' in channel and now i have a fierce yen to play star control II21:58
DocScrutinizerpupnik: you're speaking in tongues22:00
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pupnikone of the truly great games on the 1990s - i missed it at the time but it was open sourced as 'ur-Quan Masters', which i worked on for 77022:01
pupnikprobably the most ambitious part of it, technologically, was a time-based plot... that is, there were several interacting 'plot trees' in the game22:01
DocScrutinizeractually the last 3 words made at least some sense to me22:02
pupnikyen is another word for longing22:02
DocScrutinizerstill wondering what might be a fierce Yen22:02
Sicelopupnik: yearn :)22:03
DocScrutinizerhah, starts to make sense22:03
DocScrutinizerI gather 'orz' has to do with that game then22:04
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pupnikyes the writing in the game was brilliant.  the orz were ... well don't read spoilers, maybe someday you'll play it22:06
pupnikabsolutely brilliant :)22:06
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Sicelothanks pupnik :)22:12
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GAN900It's unfortunate that the rising expense of improved production values has so impacted game length.22:23
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pupnik   Resident says 'no way was binladen in that house'.22:44
RST38hReal Osama, fake Osama, who cares?22:45
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RST38hThe Marines came down, fired a lot of ammunition in an exciting way, killed some brown people, blew up their own helicopter, then left.22:46
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GAN900Sounds like a great action flick22:46
RST38hTreat it as a movie, not as a real event.22:46
RST38hGAN: Oh, you type faster than me =)22:46
GAN900And on an N900, even!22:47
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* RST38h did like the latest information that they actually *arrested* Osama, then shot him in the head. Gives the whole story a Shakespearean twist.22:50
SpeedEvilI question if he's not now installed in a small cell with Lady Gaga being played very loudly at him.22:50
chxit's not exactly a safe thing to hold such a guy in custody22:51
RST38hDoes it matter?22:51
SpeedEvil'not a safe thing' ?22:51
chxone , who knows , he could've wired up the whole compound with explosives and have a button on his body22:51
SpeedEvilThat's not a risk.22:52
chxtwo, even if you survive getting him out of the compound, every freakin' wanna-be-terrorist would take hostages trying to get him out22:52
RST38hIf I were a US president though, I would definitely have him mounted and displayed in some CIA HQ corridor. I mean, so much effort, so much monet...22:52
SpeedEvilThat's a risk to the extraction team - it's not a risk of mission failure - him dying.22:52
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* GAN900 sighs.23:12
GAN900Still no resume.23:12
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kwtmGAN900: Oh, are you having trouble with Ubuntu 11.04 also?23:17
GAN900On every machine I've installed it on in some way or another23:18
GAN900You'd think I'd learn.23:18
kwtmOk.  Sounds like it's been plagued with a whole bunch of problems on IRC, although I was wondering if I was getting a self-selection bias because only people with problems go to #ubuntu23:19
kwtmI wonder if it means good things for Kubuntu because people won't want Ubuntu with Mutiny or whatever that new interface is called.  Right now it looks like KDE and GNOME are in a race going to the bottom.23:20
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wazddoes anybody know Ed Page's IM contact?23:27
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DocScrutinizer~nule buntkuh23:30
DocScrutinizer~nuke buntkuh23:30
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at buntkuh ... B☢☢M!23:30
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wazd~seen epage23:31
DocScrutinizerlong time no see23:31
wazdoh well :)23:31
infobotwazd: i haven't seen 'epage'23:31
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DocScrutinizer*very* long time23:32
wazdinfobot: sorry, np :)23:32
wamHi, I'm looking for a kernel or module that brings tun/tap support to my n900. I have already the kernel-power installed. Any hints how I could get that easily?23:32
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GAN900wazd, email.23:33
wazdGAN900: thx :)23:34
infobotrumour has it, tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 20023:34
DocScrutinizer~wtf tun23:34
infobotGee...  I don't know what tun means...23:34
DocScrutinizer~wiki tun23:34
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|TUN|tun}} 'TUN' or 'tun' may refer to: {{TOC right}} * TUN/TAP, a computer network device driver * TUN (product standard), a Danish product standard for building materials * Tun (Maya calendar), a part of the Mayan long count calendar system * A unit of time in the Mayan Long Count calendar * Tun (volume), an antiquated measurement of liquid * Large sea snails of the family ...23:34
wamah forgetit23:35
* wam is just too dumb to restart the phone so that newly installed modules are available23:36
wamor maemo is too dumb to keep the libs of the currently running kernel23:36
wamusually it's me23:36
waminit 623:36
DocScrutinizeror depmod -a23:36
wamDocScrutinizer: not really. extras-devel installed a newer kernel23:37
wamwhich uname doesn't know about23:37
DocScrutinizerooh, then...23:37
wamme reboots23:37
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DocScrutinizernew PK?23:37
wami didn't reboot for months23:38
DocScrutinizerI rebooted like yesterday, as something wrecked... aah camera23:39
DocScrutinizerusually my uptime also is in the >30d range23:39
wammine is running perfectly and now (after the reboot) i am connected to ipv6... ;)23:39
wamI love that phone23:39
DocScrutinizerduh, knew I heard tun before23:39
* DocScrutinizer waits for the notorious "this IS NOT a phone!!!1!1!!"23:40
DocScrutinizerwam: indeed I also love it. More than any other device before23:41
wamhmm - the normal browser seems not to be able to do ipv6...23:41
* wam tries ff523:41
DocScrutinizertry opera23:41
DocScrutinizerff is freaking fsck I heard23:42
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wamrequires a lot ram, but syncs with my other profiles, even with passwords...23:42
DocScrutinizerwell, if you got enough patience :-)23:42
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wamHave I mentioned that I just love that phone?23:43
DocScrutinizerwhere's timeless when you need him?23:43
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DocScrutinizer~seen timeless*23:43
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wamI have ipv6 in ff4 on my phone. Beat me, apple23:43
infobotDocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'timeless*'23:43
SpeedEvil~seen lardman23:44
infobotlardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 17m 23s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'.23:44
DocScrutinizerhave I mentioned I hate users constantly changing their nicks?23:44
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DocScrutinizer~seen timeless_mbp23:45
infobottimeless_mbp <c0647c9c@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 19d 10h 32m 39s ago, saying: ''.23:45
wamWOOOOHOOO - My n900 is reachable worldwide via ipv623:45
DocScrutinizerplease count the rogue pings ;-P23:45
MohammadAGand javispedro23:45
MohammadAGI don't get why he disappears from March/April till September23:46
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, remember host mode times? :P23:46
DocScrutinizerwell, I checked for javispedro yesterday :-o23:46
wamlet's see - i'll disable wlan now23:46
DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro23:47
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 23h 18m 29s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.23:47
wamshould stay reachable23:47
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's been the same last year?23:47
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yeah23:48
MohammadAGhe came back in September23:48
DocScrutinizerwhen he thinks he can vanish without proper announcement I'll tell him... ;-)23:49
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, he still hangs around on tmo I think23:50
wamexcept for the new address that I get from the miredo process, connections are fine!23:54
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