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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 01:42 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 01:42 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds zip 27910... Ahoskie Hertford NC | 01:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 01:43 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... weathercode camilo daza... SKCC located in Colombia 07-56N. Also see Cucuta | 01:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 01:43 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds airport tsa... The code for the airport in: Taipei (Domestic ?), Taiwan | 01:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible amounts of junk factoids | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cookie | 01:43 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer, apache-dev is the apache webserver development kit. ; see(apache ; apache-common ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys zip | 01:45 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13411 ;; zip 15032 ;; zip 16410 ;; zip 20710 ;; zip 2148 ;; zip 21713 ;; zip 23430 ;; zip 31024 ;; zip 39047 ;; zip 4417 ;; zip 44317 ;; zip 45671 ;; zip 48170 ;; zip 50585 ;; zip 544 ;; zip 54664 ;; zip 55052 ;; zip 56453 ;; zip 62359 ;; zip 66611 ;; zip 68003. | 01:45 |
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| alterego | bored? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | terribly | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys weathercode | 01:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'weathercode' by key (11 of 11705): weathercode adisumarmo ;; weathercode beaufort ;; weathercode bella coola ;; weathercode daua ;; weathercode dbbk ;; weathercode edma ;; weathercode el salvador. ;; weathercode fort chipewyan ;; weathercode frelighsburg ;; weathercode funchal ;; weathercode gunnison. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys airport | 01:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'airport' by key (18 of 1802): airport agu ;; airport bfd ;; airport cae ;; airport cdg ;; airport fez ;; airport goi ;; airport gpt ;; airport gtn ;; airport hts ;; airport ios ;; airport jnb ;; airport khh ;; airport khv ;; airport kij ;; airport mel ;; airport orh ;; airport pmv ;; airport pto. | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, really not that many - probably not more airports :-P | 01:49 |
| alterego | You going to san fran? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | no money to spend for such fun | 01:50 |
| alterego | Ah well | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a pity | 01:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, I managed to get sponsorship thankfully | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no creditcard here :-P | 01:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the concept of credit cards isn't that popular in Europe as it is in US | 01:51 |
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| alterego | Indeed | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually gan talked me into applying for sponsorship, when I noticed a CC is mandatory | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I couldn't contribute anyway, nor profit except from joy to meet some of you. So probably whoever got that sponsorship instead of me was the better choice, no doubt | 01:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | um | 01:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | wait a minute | 01:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, my first conf | 01:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | am i supposed to succeed with installing things from Ovi directly from terminal? | 02:00 |
| alterego | I never made it to any of the maemo ones before or the meego dublin one last year :/ | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | or does Nokia's antipiracy thing fail? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: no | 02:00 |
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| FIQ|n900 | (it's a free thing atm, but still) | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | Then, I suppose that Nokia really looks up how it blocks things | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: you maybe got a '(un/back)patched' apt | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | could be ^ | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG, he knows details | 02:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | but for gods sake, why place a antipiracy block _clientside_? | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've never been interested in OVI crap so didn't bother on those apt crippling and how to decripple it again | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, why? maybe because OVI sucks by design? | 02:02 |
| alterego | We don't have any drm | 02:03 |
| alterego | And they thought the easy way would be better :) | 02:03 |
| alterego | They were wrong | 02:03 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 02:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | night | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't matter for all I can tell, as there's plain nuttin on OVI anyway | 02:04 |
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| 14WAA642U | Anyone have any success tethering the n900 with Bluetooth via T-Mobile on Ubuntu Natty? | 03:19 |
| 14WAA642U | It seems b0rked to me. | 03:19 |
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| ds3 | tethering works fine with almost anything | 03:20 |
| 14WAA642U | I have the mobile connection set up and am connected to the N900 via bluetooth, but the mobile internet connection doesn't show up in my network list. | 03:20 |
| ds3 | *shrug* I use commandline when possible | 03:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How can it be so hard to boot a freaking USB flash drive? | 04:02 |
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| Toba | are there any strace or equivalent tools available to run on the n900? I can only seem to find info about how to do it in scratchbox. | 05:01 |
| Toba | I'm dealing with a situation where one of the apps I develop is crashing and little to no information is available about why | 05:02 |
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| ShadowJK | If you enable sdk tools repo on your n900 you can apt-get install strace | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Toba: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Toba: also - for your convenience - http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | on your own peril | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 05:24 |
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| GAN900 | Quick poll: How would you write kilobits per seconds? | 05:43 |
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| Toba | hm | 05:51 |
| Toba | peril, i like the sound of that | 05:52 |
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| Toba | kilobits is kb/s | 05:53 |
| Toba | kilobytes is kB/s | 05:53 |
| Toba | bigger is bigger, aye | 05:53 |
| ShadowJK | i'd write kbit/s to avoid confusion | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Toba: the installation of additional catalogs/repos is somewhat married to mentioning peril and such things | 05:54 |
| Toba | I've already got fremantle | 05:54 |
| Toba | how much more peril should I expect, ratio wise | 05:54 |
| Toba | I'm ok with up to 50% more peril | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually there's not much peril in the installation of the tools repo | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp if you don't keep it enabled all the time | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | as long as you dont do stupid stuff like "apt-get upgrade", or answer yes when apt-get warns you're about to do something dangerous | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you should check for doublettes if you clicked my installfile | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ham will happily install a catalog 10 times, when you got 10 install files with different names for the catalog | 05:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and will update it ten times ;-D | 05:57 |
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| d-1337 | probably dumb question.. and old news.. but I've been busy.. nokia is completely dropping all present/future maemo/meego development? and there are no meego phones in development? | 07:16 |
| d-1337 | i saw the original announcement from the microsoft lacky... but wasnt sure if I was understanding the corprateese correctly.. | 07:18 |
| Tronic | d-1337: If you are talking of events many months ago, no, Nokia is not dropping MeeGo and apparently they are even planning Maemo 6. | 07:18 |
| Tronic | N950 has been mentioned (albeit the product is likely released with another name), and also that one MeeGo phone would be released this year. | 07:19 |
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| d-1337 | that is great news | 07:20 |
| Tronic | There is also stockholder meeting today and Nokia will likely release some new information there. | 07:20 |
| d-1337 | i guess it has been a few months | 07:20 |
| d-1337 | :/ | 07:20 |
| Tronic | Symbian will be dropped and there is no turning back on that, apparently. | 07:21 |
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| d-1337 | btw.. what one meego phone? please feel free to point me in the right direction for a web link | 07:24 |
| d-1337 | any news on expected release dates? | 07:24 |
| doc|home | symbian's not really a massive loss imo, but who's to know how messed up their new meego phone might be :/ | 07:26 |
| d-1337 | sorry i am behind.. why would it not be at least as good as the n900 with a faster processor? | 07:27 |
| Tronic | d-1337: Because Maemo has been developed far and the threw a lot of that away when MeeGo was started. | 07:29 |
| Tronic | The open-source version of MeeGo is currently not very promising. | 07:30 |
| Tronic | Nokia might have something much better that isn't released, of course. | 07:30 |
| d-1337 | oh :( | 07:30 |
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| Tronic | The current plan (announced by Intel IIRC) is to prioritize getting MeeGo running well on N900 so that more people would use it, but they specifically stated that this means less features (which I think is always the way to go). | 07:33 |
| Tronic | So, release early (make it work), release often (keep adding features). | 07:33 |
| ds3 | Intel should sponsor someone to build arm hardware so people can try out meego | 07:34 |
| d-1337 | that is certainly the way to go | 07:34 |
| Tronic | d-1337: Another thing you might be interested on is that a number of other companies have shown interest on MeeGo. I think LG was going to release several phones and other devices. | 07:34 |
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| d-1337 | did meego end up using the deb or rpm package handling? | 07:35 |
| Tronic | RPM. | 07:35 |
| Tronic | Not yum but some other system (written in C++ IIRC). | 07:36 |
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| Tronic | (which is good because yum is totally crap *and* slow) | 07:36 |
| d-1337 | i should not that my n900's connection to the sim card is flaking out lately.. which is why this is all such a pressing issue for me now | 07:37 |
| d-1337 | not=note | 07:37 |
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| Tronic | d-1337: Are you out of warranty already? | 07:38 |
| d-1337 | yep.. been 1.5 years | 07:38 |
| Tronic | Too bad :/ | 07:38 |
| d-1337 | tell me about it | 07:38 |
| Tronic | Btw, doesn't Nokia have two year warranty? | 07:39 |
| d-1337 | could of sworn I read 1 year.. but I will double check | 07:39 |
| Tronic | However, Nokia recently began warranty replacing N900 with brand new N8 (you get full retail package and new two year warranty). | 07:40 |
| d-1337 | an n8 hardly seems like a replacement | 07:40 |
| Tronic | You need to specifically request for N900, then you will get a new N900 but no package and no warranty extension. | 07:40 |
| d-1337 | ah | 07:41 |
| d-1337 | thanks for that info | 07:41 |
| wmarone | meego is using zypper instead of yum | 07:41 |
| Tronic | However, you can also accept the N8 and sell it for about 370 €, then buy a used N900 for 165-200 €. | 07:41 |
| Tronic | I wanted the avoid the hassle of doing the trading myself and requested Nokia for a new N900. | 07:42 |
| Tronic | wmarone: Thanks, couldn't remember the name. Do you know if it is any good? | 07:43 |
| wmarone | haven't tried using it on my N900 yet | 07:43 |
| Tronic | How about desktop? | 07:43 |
| Tronic | (or server) | 07:43 |
| wmarone | you can try openSuSE, since that's the default package manager | 07:44 |
| Tronic | I guess I could try that a virtual machine. | 07:44 |
| Tronic | +on | 07:44 |
| wmarone | yeah, that's how I run most Linux installs these days | 07:45 |
| d-1337 | hmm.. it does say 1 year. I'm in the US.. perhaps the 2 year is a european thing ;/ | 07:48 |
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| d-1337 | there is a phone number listed there.. I'll give it a try tomorrow and see what happens | 07:50 |
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| d-1337 | looks like I might buy another.. there isnt any competition for it yet.. and I couldnt handle taking a step back | 07:51 |
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| d-1337 | tronic: thanks for answering my questions. good night | 07:56 |
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| joga | hmm...for some reason my n900 couldn't get an internet connection while I was traveling to work...when I picked it from the network chooser it just instantly said that it failed to connect. I tried to switch between offline and normal mode, 3G/GSM/Dual and even reboot the device to no avail | 08:22 |
| joga | now that I got to work, I just put it to charge and it works as it's supposed to and immediately connected o_o | 08:22 |
| joga | but I've never had that happen before like that I think... it had a low battery though. is there some reason why it wouldn't connect because of that? | 08:23 |
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| maybeArgh | i had that happen a few days ago too, just couldn't get a connection while i was on my way from work to home | 08:25 |
| maybeArgh | also, my sim card is kinda loose | 08:25 |
| joga | hmm...I wonder if mine is loose or dirty | 08:26 |
| joga | but it works now :) | 08:26 |
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| GAN900 | Why is it that ever Ubuntu update invariably breaks wake from sleep. | 08:30 |
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| derf | Because it's Linux. | 08:34 |
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| pupnik__ | do you set a HDD standby time for your laptop? | 08:47 |
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| kerio | lol ssd | 08:48 |
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| pupnik__ | "We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops." | 08:49 |
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| kerio | pupnik: you said that yesterday | 08:50 |
| pupnik | thanks kerio | 08:50 |
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| arquebus | anyone know what compilers will run on a maemo device? is there a list online somewhere? | 09:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think in general whatever linux supports. If there isn't a compiler made, you can probably either port it across, etc | 09:49 |
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| arquebus | psycho_oreos: ok, because I think Tiny C should be able run on a N900, just wondering if anyone programs on the device here | 09:50 |
| psycho_oreos | arquebus, never heard of tiny C, there's people that do program stuff here. Also you don't have to compile everything on N900, there's scratchbox which can do just that | 09:52 |
| pupnik | on my other omap3 device i run gcc arquebus | 09:53 |
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| arquebus | psycho_oreos: its a nice lightweight C compiler. | 09:53 |
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| arquebus | pupnik- If Nokia had any brains, they would make a netbook that runs Maemo with an ARM processor instead of their booklet 3G that runs win7 | 09:54 |
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| Tronic | i need help quickly | 09:55 |
| arquebus | And if the people at OPC had brains, they also would use an ARM processor to run Maemo linux instead of x86 | 09:55 |
| psycho_oreos | we can't read minds here | 09:55 |
| Tronic | received sms disappears | 09:55 |
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| Appiah | maybe you should be in charge of everything @ nokia arquebus | 09:55 |
| psycho_oreos | could be issue with eMMC | 09:56 |
| pupnik | Tronic: i haven't seen that problem | 09:56 |
| Tronic | i get notification fo the message but no messages in messaging app | 09:56 |
| Tronic | except some older ones | 09:56 |
| arquebus | Appiah- yes I should be, but I guess everyone likes heavy x86 netbooks that run Windows *sigh* | 09:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh... Personally, an arm chip's fine for a phone, but if I want a 7+inch tablet, it better have a full x86 processor. | 09:56 |
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| robbiethe1st | I mean, arm's just not powerful enough, nor is it compatible with old games. | 09:57 |
| Tronic | i also somehow managed to re-receive the missing messages one of which contains a code i desperately need | 09:57 |
| pupnik | then intel's offerings are for you | 09:57 |
| pupnik | arm is for other peopl | 09:57 |
| arquebus | robbiethe1st: I can understand what youre saying, I want my netbooks to run full Linux and winXP, but I would ALSO like a lighter micro ARM based netbook | 09:57 |
| Tronic | but i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again | 09:57 |
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| Tronic | but i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again | 09:58 |
| Sc0rpius | why a netbook? | 09:58 |
| robbiethe1st | But, to be honest, you ought to be able to do both. I don't see why you couldn't put a low-end atom in a ipad-type device | 09:58 |
| Sc0rpius | a Meego/Maemo tablet is what you want | 09:58 |
| robbiethe1st | might need to be slightly thicker | 09:58 |
| Tronic | any ideas on how to trigger re-receiving | 09:58 |
| Sc0rpius | and I heard Meego tablet is gonna happen | 09:58 |
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| arquebus | Sc0rpius: no, I want a real keyboard, not type on the screen | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | arquebus: Compaq TC1100. That's what you should want | 09:59 |
| Sc0rpius | then why Maemo and not real Linux like you can have today (a netbook with Ubuntu) | 09:59 |
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| robbiethe1st | Transformer, with a removable keyboard | 09:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Want a netbook? sure. Want a tablet? also sure. | 09:59 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah but a super light netbook not gonna happen | 09:59 |
| Sc0rpius | you want super light stuff? get a tablet | 10:00 |
| Sc0rpius | you want keyboard? get a netbook | 10:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | you can't have both in the same device | 10:00 |
| robbiethe1st | n900-type slider tablet? | 10:00 |
| Sc0rpius | that would be terribly ugly and heavy | 10:00 |
| arquebus | robbiethe1st: thats close, but I want a permant keyboard and ARM processor | 10:00 |
| Sc0rpius | the N900 is already heavy with 4.5" | 10:00 |
| Sc0rpius | a 10" N900 would be a disaster heh | 10:01 |
| Sc0rpius | why the ARM | 10:01 |
| Sc0rpius | Intel Atom > ARM | 10:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Personally, I want something like a 7" n900 with full 1280x720 screen. | 10:01 |
| arquebus | Sc0rpius: it uses less power, but is still fast, ARM is the future | 10:01 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not sure about that and ARM is already old ... | 10:01 |
| Sc0rpius | ARM tablets can barely go to 8 hours | 10:02 |
| robbiethe1st | arquebus: Have you ever tried running actual calculations on it? It's good for simple instructions, but floating point just /sucks/ | 10:02 |
| arquebus | I want Nokia to make something like this: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/27/sharp-japan-announces-ubuntu-powered-touchscreen-netwalker/ | 10:02 |
| Sc0rpius | and netbooks with Atom are already at 6 hours running full Windows | 10:02 |
| arquebus | robbiethe1st: that may be true, but its good enough for light tasks | 10:02 |
| Sc0rpius | if an iPhone were fully multitasking its battery would last like... 1 hour | 10:02 |
| robbiethe1st | N900 manages at least two with proc maxed. around 4 at heavy useage, and 6-8 of internet browsing | 10:03 |
| arquebus | Sc0rpius: thats because the iPhone is too small, at netbook size it would be fine at multitasking | 10:04 |
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| Sc0rpius | since I have a netbook AND a tablet, no complains from me :) | 10:04 |
| Sc0rpius | two different devices for two totally different purposes | 10:04 |
| Sc0rpius | and I'd definitely buy a Meego tablet. | 10:05 |
| Sc0rpius | and I'd never buy a Meego netbook | 10:05 |
| arquebus | If I could flash Maemo to that Sharp handheld I linked to, then I have netbook power that fits in my pocket | 10:05 |
| Sc0rpius | what? | 10:06 |
| robbiethe1st | Just use Ubuntu? | 10:06 |
| ab | when you talk about power consumption, the reality is that 2/3s of it are from screen | 10:06 |
| Sc0rpius | that thing runs Ubuntu!! | 10:06 |
| Sc0rpius | flasing Maemo to it would be a hell of a DOWNGRADE | 10:06 |
| ab | which means you really need to spend on optimizing your displaying strategy | 10:06 |
| robbiethe1st | ab: Or, just throw in a larger battery | 10:06 |
| arquebus | robbiethe1st: I wont even use Ubuntu on my desktop, its a slug and always freezes on me, I use Mint only now | 10:07 |
| ab | robbiethe1st, this is where the progress is the slowest of all parts | 10:07 |
| robbiethe1st | arq: You know Mint is just Ubuntu with a different theme? | 10:07 |
| robbiethe1st | and a couple extra packages | 10:07 |
| pupnik | lol | 10:07 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm typing in an xchat that runs on Ubuntu right now and it has never ever froze on me | 10:07 |
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| arquebus | Scorcerer: Im sure that Maemo would use a lot less resources and power than Ubuntu, Ubuntu is too slow for an Atom powered netbook | 10:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Aand the fact that it runs Ubuntu means you could just grab the Mint themes and install em... Or go back to Debian and custom-install an optinized version | 10:08 |
| ab | for example, I have this nice NotionInk Adam tablet with PixelQi screen that is 5x times more power effective than ipad2's one. It does indeed live on the battery for about 20 hours without any problems | 10:08 |
| ab | for heavy 'angry birds' use :) | 10:08 |
| Sc0rpius | you can make Ubuntu use less resources, it's not like Maemo and Ubuntu are totally different things... they are the same OS. | 10:08 |
| pupnik | never seen the notionInk ab - hows the readability in sun/? | 10:08 |
| arquebus | Scorcerer: well youre lucky, the desktop constantly froze on me install after install | 10:08 |
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| ab | pupnik, brilliant. A bit bleaker than Kindle but very much better than any LCD/OLED | 10:09 |
| pupnik | Sc0rpius: please don't call Maemo and Ubuntu the same OS | 10:09 |
| robbiethe1st | arq: Not unless you've got a good GPU. Tried installing it(mer) on a x86 tablet(1.5ghz Pentium M) without a real GPU ... It ran at literally 1fps. | 10:09 |
| Sc0rpius | technically the OS is just ONE and ONLY ONE: Linux. | 10:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Sc0rpius: Wrong. | 10:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Linux is the /kernel/ | 10:09 |
| Sc0rpius | Maemo is a Linux with things arranged different than Ubuntu, that's all. Both are based on another arrangement called Debian | 10:09 |
| Sc0rpius | and as you know, arrangements are called distros | 10:09 |
| arquebus | ab- I just looked up that NotionLink, that looks good | 10:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | Linux is not a kernel. A linux kernel, is a kernel of Linux | 10:10 |
| pupnik | ab any chance that transflective mfgr will get onto more devices | 10:10 |
| robbiethe1st | No, Linux is the kernel. GNU/Linux is the OS. | 10:10 |
| robbiethe1st | GNU toolkit on top of the Linux kernel. | 10:10 |
| arquebus | Sc0rpius: there are huge differences in RAM use between distros, compare Fedora to DSL Linux | 10:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | everything that runs on a Linux kernel is a Linux by definition and you can even read that in Wikipedia | 10:11 |
| Sc0rpius | arquebus, you can make your own distribution like that | 10:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you don't need a whole new one to do that | 10:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you can "rearreange" your distro | 10:11 |
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| robbiethe1st | And wikipedia's always right? Give me a break. Go ask Linus Torvalds or Richard Stallman. | 10:11 |
| Sc0rpius | Linux (commonly play /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in English,[5][6] also pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks[7] in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel. | 10:11 |
| ab | pupnik, I really hope this happens. Unfortunately, current lead time for PixelQi screens is several months for small orders. I had to wait about 2 months before my tablet was made and that was already after they secured a build of PixelQi for about a month | 10:12 |
| Sc0rpius | Linus Torvalds in not an eminence, actually, he's a moron (if you have ever met him) | 10:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I'd ask Andrew Tannenbaum actually | 10:12 |
| ab | pupnik, PixelQi's promise was to do real mass-production in Q4 2011 | 10:12 |
| robbiethe1st | It's his kernel. He's got his name on at least half the commits, for better or worse | 10:12 |
| arquebus | Sc0rpius: ok, well it depends on the windowing toolkit too, major differences between them | 10:12 |
| pupnik | ab: can you compare it to n810 and n900 transflective performance? | 10:13 |
| ab | pupnik, better, for sure. I have all of those. | 10:14 |
| Sc0rpius | but why Maemo? if you're lazy there are a lot of Linux distros already optimized for netbooks that really save the battery use | 10:14 |
| ab | pupnik, especially to n900, in direct sunlight | 10:14 |
| pupnik | yeah i found best direct sunlight so far from e71 and n810 | 10:14 |
| Sc0rpius | like (hehehe) Easy Peasy | 10:15 |
| Sc0rpius | or wattOS | 10:15 |
| Sc0rpius | wattOS is a lightweight Linux operating system remastered from the core Ubuntu Linux build. It is a free operating system that focuses on a small footprint, low power, and a simple quick interface. | 10:16 |
| Sc0rpius | way too many option | 10:16 |
| Sc0rpius | options | 10:16 |
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| ab | pupnik, e71 is a good compromise, yes. | 10:17 |
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| Sc0rpius | I'd run Win7 on a netbook anyway, like I already do :P | 10:18 |
| arquebus | 3 to 6 hours run time and weighs 3 pounds, Im ready to leave that for an ARM netbook | 10:19 |
| pupnik | yep | 10:19 |
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| pupnik | but as ab knows, the screen is the major problem | 10:20 |
| pupnik | you cannot outshine the daytime sun with a small battery | 10:20 |
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| arquebus | but its worth going without backlighting to get a whole day of use | 10:21 |
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| * Sc0rpius can't live without backlight | 10:23 | |
| Sc0rpius | I wouldn't ever buy a kindle just because of that | 10:23 |
| chx | the reason to skip the Kindle is because of the DRM and related , not the battery | 10:24 |
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| Sc0rpius | the battery life is gorgeous, but I don't like the screen | 10:24 |
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| chx | the eInk screen is awesome. i had three e-readers each one better than the previous one. The current one is a Sony 950, it's really great. | 10:26 |
| pupnik | ab any other comments on the NotionInk? | 10:26 |
| ab | pupnik, they seem to go good way in their tunings of Android. They have published their kernel on github recently and are planning for quite a nice UI uplift | 10:27 |
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| pupnik | a company worthy of support, imo | 10:28 |
| ds3 | chx: does the lower contrast on the PRS units bother you? | 10:28 |
| chx | ds3: have you seen the latest (x50) units? | 10:28 |
| ab | pupnik, there seems to be healthy community with a lot of hacks around it. Rooting is allowed :) | 10:28 |
| chx | it's the same E Ink Pearl screen. awe-some. | 10:28 |
| ds3 | chx: no... just the 600 and it lacks contrast compared to the kindle | 10:29 |
| chx | yes | 10:29 |
| ab | pupnik, default camera software and image processing is crap :) | 10:29 |
| chx | that's a 2nd generation E Ink screen | 10:29 |
| Sc0rpius | the Adam runs Android right? | 10:29 |
| ds3 | but the touch thingie doesn't help | 10:29 |
| pupnik | ab: yes an afterthought as usual | 10:29 |
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| ab | Sc0rpius, yes. They are in discussion with google for Honeycomb and claim already ported their own apps to it | 10:30 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 10:30 |
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| Sc0rpius | but it already runs Froyo, wich is very nice | 10:30 |
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| ab | in general, their menu system and three-fold leafs are better than using standard Android menu | 10:31 |
| ab | Sc0rpius, Gingerbread 2.3 is ought to be in update coming out today | 10:31 |
| ab | http://notionink.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/kernel-book-reader-new-browser-gingerbread-and-much-more/ | 10:31 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 10:31 |
| Sc0rpius | and I guess there's a way to root it and install a different ROM | 10:32 |
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| ab | yes, and still keep the primary updates possible | 10:32 |
| Sc0rpius | the Adam definitely looks really nice | 10:33 |
| ab | good attitude from a bangalore startup, though they have witnessed a lot of turbulence in finance and logistics | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | The future of mobile computing requires low power screens that are readable in any light. | 10:33 |
| ab | exactly | 10:33 |
| Sc0rpius | yup, definitely | 10:33 |
| pupnik | http://pixelqi.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/pq_screen_outside_scooter.25444832_std.jpg | 10:33 |
| ab | I must say I like this metallic look too, it is more "natural" to me | 10:34 |
| pupnik | you're the first notion ink owner i meet | 10:35 |
| pupnik | that's truly a high-end tablet | 10:35 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah it's supposed to run for 16 hours | 10:36 |
| Sc0rpius | the overall device is nice but the only thing I really like is the screen. Otherwise I'd get a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. | 10:37 |
| Sc0rpius | I've heard customer support over Notion Ink is not good. Samsung, instead, is a big company | 10:37 |
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| Sc0rpius | the galaxy tab is really thin and light | 10:38 |
| ab | frankly speaking, I never needed their customer support | 10:38 |
| ab | I knew what I went for with pre-orders from a small startup | 10:38 |
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| ab | and I know logistics in mobile world means for securing and ordering parts in China | 10:39 |
| Sc0rpius | how much did you wait for the device since you ordered it? | 10:39 |
| Sc0rpius | )and excuse my terrible english) | 10:40 |
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| ab | around 1.5 months | 10:40 |
| Sc0rpius | not bad | 10:40 |
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| ab | I wasn't the first one in that pre-order | 10:41 |
| ab | ordered mid-February, it came just day or two before my birthday in early April | 10:41 |
| pupnik | customer support should be charged by-the-hour | 10:42 |
| ab | as I customer I fail to see what else I need from a customer support other than fixing bugs and solving logistics/financials problems | 10:42 |
| Sc0rpius | that would make the customer support staff help people really SLOW so they can earn more :P | 10:42 |
| ab | but I'm "advanced" customer :) | 10:43 |
| Sc0rpius | well if you need to use the warranty... | 10:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | a hardware defect/problem, that's what I meant, more than software support | 10:43 |
| ab | yeah, for the warranty around HW problems I haven't heard any real issues with NotionInk, at least with my PO2 build | 10:44 |
| ab | those who had problems got them solved fast | 10:45 |
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| kdub | my n900 is being weird. its screen won't turn on. when i press the screen, it makes click-noises, and the camera will flash when i press the button. any one seen anything like this? | 11:26 |
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| jacekowski | have you tried turning it off and on? | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | as in complete power down including removing the battery | 11:31 |
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| kdub | jacekowski: yep, tried removing the battery | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | then screen may be broken | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | and not working | 11:37 |
| kdub | jacekowski: its looking something like that, i cant even get it to do the white screen when i press U on boot | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | thing is that if screen is completly disconnected it's not going to boot at all | 11:38 |
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| jacekowski | which makes the problem strange | 11:38 |
| kdub | jacekowski: should the component video still work? | 11:39 |
| kdub | i don't see that working either | 11:39 |
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| kdub | and the next question becomes, how do i get my contacts out of a phone with no screen? :) | 11:48 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:49 |
| pupnik | the unix way would be a textfile | 11:49 |
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| Robot101 | kdub: I plugged in a USB cable and managed to use opensync to get a folder full of vcards | 11:54 |
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| Robot101 | most other stuff, SyncML, BlueTooth, etc needs you to interact with the screen to much | 11:54 |
| Robot101 | *too | 11:55 |
| Robot101 | even a usb cable requires you to select pc suite mode | 11:55 |
| kdub | i'm having a bit more luck with getting the screen to pop up with the component video | 11:55 |
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| Robot101 | aha | 11:55 |
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| kdub | that is to say, i can at least see the nokia logo from time to time | 11:55 |
| kdub | if i can get to the main screen, i'm hoping i could transcribe everyone off manually :P | 11:56 |
| kdub | opensync might be the way to go | 11:56 |
| Robot101 | opensync is mostly deprecated in favour of syncevo, for me at least, but syncevo doesn't support usb :( | 11:57 |
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| alterego | I thought opensync replaced syncevo | 12:04 |
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| Robot101 | alterego: ... no | 12:07 |
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| kdub | ok, so got my contacts and photos out, phew | 12:20 |
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| kdub | phone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, but the phone screen itself is borked, won't turn on. sound like its time for a new phone then? | 12:21 |
| alterego | good job | 12:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | No. | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You can swap the display | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | kdub: Are you in the EU? | 12:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | If so, it's still under warranty | 12:22 |
| kdub | SpeedEvil: nope. no nokia stores this side of the pond | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:22 |
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| kdub | literally was a year to the date of purchase that this happens | 12:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | Screens cost about $40 on Ebay and about an hour total to install | 12:25 |
| robbiethe1st | and they typically include the tools needed as well | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | http://rltiles.sourceforge.net/ roguelike tiles project | 12:29 |
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| auenf | <kdub> phone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, <-- composite i think you mean | 12:31 |
| auenf | component is 3 RCA's for video | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kdub: you probably are suffering from FPC ribbon break | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | kdub: had that myself | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kdub: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html | 13:40 |
| pupnik | give us a chance, so we can discover | 13:40 |
| pupnik | the most valuable ways to serve one another | 13:41 |
| * SpeedEvil passes pupnik a book entitled 'To Serve Man'. | 13:41 | |
| * DocScrutinizer nominates pupnik for channel preacher | 13:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | kdub: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kdub: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/N900-SLIDE-FLEX-ASSY-267930 OUT-OF-STOCK | 13:53 |
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| jacekowski | kdub: it should | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kdub: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-SLIDE-FLEX-ASSY-267930 | 13:59 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: thing is that if flex is broken phone wouldn't start at all | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: at least it doesn't start when it's disconnected | 14:02 |
| Mece_ | hello | 14:02 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, any ideas why that's the case? | 14:06 |
| Mece_ | ooh. pocketsphinx eats a lot of rootfs... | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mine started | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as there's usually only a few joints broken in that insane 3-layer b2b-plug end of the flex | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might even be lucky to fix it by using a hot flat-iron | 14:14 |
| RST38h | moo again | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems the I2C coomunication to LCD controller breaks and that makes NOLO "segfault" | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | there must be also other catches, as my AV out had strange problems as well, from distorted to no video at all | 14:17 |
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| pupnik | o. | 14:18 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oh so it doesn't even START to start | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the LCM is poorly (not at all) documented | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | I thought it fails somewhere after nolo and after loading the kernel | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I dunno, as I never investigated that case. Maybe NOLO works but kernel video driver borks | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's even the cam driver or whatever | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALS | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | proxy sensor | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's quite some possible error patterns for disconnected FPC | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, point is, if it's not nolo it can be overridden somehow | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can even be overridden by a special NOLO if needed ;-D | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but what for? | 14:23 |
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| timeless_w7ip | wow | 14:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | i got spam in finnish (from china) | 14:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | gmail doesn't think i've ever had that happen before | 14:30 |
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| jaska | poorly machine translated spam i expect | 14:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | sure | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>we offer high quality diploma. We need this infamation...<< (SIC!) | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3 idiots per months make their living I guess | 14:47 |
| RST38h | they need your inflammation | 14:47 |
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| billmania | Morning. | 14:51 |
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| jonwil | hi | 15:26 |
| jonwil | Have we had any useful news from Nokia or Quim about the idea to kick the tires on some of the license change requests? | 15:27 |
| andre__ | jonwil, I assume that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 is still the status quo | 15:27 |
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| jonwil | well the last word I had is that Quim Gill (as the Open Source guy at Nokia) was going to re-investigate the license change requests to see if any of them can be fulfilled without vast amounts of effort | 15:35 |
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| pupnik | ramen + frozen vegetables | 15:44 |
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| jacekowski | what is the best voice recording software for n900? | 15:48 |
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| cehteh | mydicto or what its named .. it works at least for me | 15:50 |
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| billmania | jonwil: andre__: Are you referring to specific changes to make all of Maemo and/or MeeGo fully open source and available to the community, even in the absence of any official support from Nokia? | 15:56 |
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| pupnik | to make SPECIFIC THINGS open-source | 15:57 |
| jonwil | yes | 15:57 |
| pupnik | billmania: re-read your question | 15:57 |
| jonwil | to make specific pieces of the software open source | 15:57 |
| NGE01 | who know what max up/down speed nokia n900 | 15:57 |
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| jonwil | and to make the exact versions that are installed on a N900 fully updated with the nokia updater open source (and not some "future version" that is MeeGo compatible but of no use for maemo) | 15:58 |
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| pupnik | ++ jonwil ... good man | 15:58 |
| billmania | pupnik: I read my question several times before pressing "Enter". | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | NGE01: via 3.5G? | 15:59 |
| andre__ | billmania, upstream meego is fully open source as far as I know | 16:00 |
| billmania | jonwil: Your statement implies that parts of Maemo are and shall remain NOT open source? | 16:00 |
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| jonwil | yes there are parts of maemo that are not open source | 16:00 |
| jonwil | plenty of parts | 16:00 |
| andre__ | billmania, and parts of maemo are not open source and it is unlikely that some of those parts of maemo ever become open source. | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | NGE01: it's 10/2 on HSPA | 16:00 |
| billmania | andre__: Thanks. That reduces my ignorance a bit. | 16:00 |
| billmania | andre__: Thanks. That's what I was looking for. | 16:00 |
| andre__ | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages for potential reasons | 16:00 |
| billmania | Does this group of Maemo users and/or enthusiasts prefer a Maemo which is completely open source, even after Nokia may completely abandon Maemo, or would they prefer to move forward to a fully open source MeeGo, for the N900 or any other platform? | 16:02 |
| billmania | andre__: Reading ... | 16:02 |
| NGE01 | jacekowski, why I remember that up 5.76? | 16:02 |
| andre__ | billmania, what group? | 16:03 |
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| jonwil | I wish for open source of the dozen or so parts of Maemo that I want to see opened up/be able to modify | 16:03 |
| andre__ | groups often contain of individuals that have different opinions and points of view... | 16:03 |
| billmania | The 367 people currently idling in this IRC channel. | 16:03 |
| andre__ | haha | 16:03 |
| jonwil | I have no desire to move to another platform (MeeGo or otherwise) | 16:03 |
| andre__ | billmania, feel free to collect 367 different opinions than, I | 16:03 |
| andre__ | 'd say :) | 16:03 |
| andre__ | s/than/then | 16:03 |
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| khertan | specially when we see what it meego | 16:04 |
| khertan | s/it/is | 16:04 |
| billmania | andre__: Only 367? I expect I'd get more than that. :-D | 16:04 |
| jonwil | I do not believe MeeGo on the N900 will ever reach feature parity with the current N900 software | 16:04 |
| billmania | jonwil: Ah. That's useful information. | 16:05 |
| khertan | I do not believe MeeGo will ever reach phone hardware | 16:05 |
| jonwil | You can run MeeGo right now on an N900 if you want | 16:05 |
| jonwil | Last I checked, you can even make a phone call with it | 16:05 |
| khertan | jonwil: did you try it ? | 16:05 |
| jonwil | No I have not tried it | 16:05 |
| khertan | yep ... you made partial phone | 16:05 |
| khertan | and currently i'm trying to understand why wifi keep disconnecting | 16:06 |
| billmania | khertan: Are you referring to your first-hand experience with MeeGo on your N900? | 16:06 |
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| khertan | billmania: nope the first was worse :) | 16:06 |
| khertan | billmania: what annoy me the most about meego is the packaging system use. | 16:06 |
| jonwil | I also do not believe that using bits of MeeGo such as ofono is a viable solution on the N900 either | 16:07 |
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| jonwil | at least not as things stand | 16:07 |
| billmania | khertan: Packaging would seem to be secondary to a functional, stable OS for the N900. | 16:07 |
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| khertan | billmania: depends if you are a dev ... | 16:08 |
| khertan | billmania: i ll probably never build any package to meego because it s more head hash than on maemo | 16:08 |
| khertan | (which isn't a reference of simplicity) | 16:08 |
| billmania | khertan: I am not a kernel developer. I am a Python developer. I have not created any debian packages yet, only RPMs. | 16:09 |
| jonwil | Isn't MeeGo using essentially the same packaging system as Fedora and Red Hat? | 16:09 |
| khertan | jonwil: this is probably where i see the main problem | 16:09 |
| khertan | billmania: I am a Python developert too. I ve try to create rpm package with relative success. But debian package are easy to product with sdist_maemo distutils extension. | 16:10 |
| billmania | khertan: That must be why we are also carrying on a conversation in the #pyside channel? :-D | 16:11 |
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| billmania | So, if I understand correctly, the consensus appears to be that MeeGo is completely open source but currently neither fully functional nor fully stable for the N900. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | That's the state as I understand it billmania | 16:12 |
| billmania | Maemo is a more complete and stable OS for the N900, but is not completely open source and is being abandoned by its current "owner" Nokia. | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be wrothhile asking #meego of their opinion. | 16:12 |
| billmania | SpeedEvil: Agreed. Do you know how much collaboration and cooperation currently exists between the Maemo team and the MeeGo team? | 16:13 |
| Tronic | billmania: Also it is slow as hell (or was the last time I tried). | 16:13 |
| billmania | Tronic: MeeGo on the N900 is significantly slower than Maemo on the N900? | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | billmania: There is a certain antipathy in some ways - owing to history. | 16:14 |
| Tronic | billmania: Yes, due to MeeGo not being optimized at the time. They are working on that at the moment. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Communication and transition was not well dealt with by nokia. | 16:14 |
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| khertan | billmania: the n900 de edition isn't slow like older handset edition | 16:15 |
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| khertan | billmania: at least the desktop didn't give the feeling to be slower than Maemo | 16:15 |
| billmania | khertan: German MeeGo for N900? | 16:15 |
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| khertan | billmania: Developper Edition | 16:16 |
| jonwil | MeeGo is NOT 100% open source, at least on as N900 | 16:16 |
| billmania | khertan: Ah. | 16:16 |
| jonwil | http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/non-oss:/Testing/Trunk_Testing/armv7l/ | 16:17 |
| jonwil | Thats the current closed-source bits of Meego-on-N900 | 16:17 |
| billmania | I'm hoping that despair will set in amongst the retailers of the N900, so I can afford to buy a second or third for experimenting. | 16:18 |
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| billmania | My current N900 is now a critical tool in my arsenal and I'm apprehensive about trying various and sundry versions of Maemo or MeeGo on it. | 16:18 |
| billmania | (Despair, causing them to drastically reduce the price.) | 16:19 |
| khertan | jonwil: this look like as usual ... non free driver. | 16:19 |
| khertan | jonwil: it s still less non free than maemo :) | 16:19 |
| billmania | khertan: That statement is worthy of quoting. :-D | 16:20 |
| jonwil | If you think any of the players in the mobile GPU space are ever going to open their specs/code, I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you :) | 16:20 |
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| khertan | billmania: :) | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: They will! | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://opencores.org/donation,faq | 16:22 |
| * SpeedEvil cheats. | 16:22 | |
| khertan | jonwil: i mean ... this is just some closed source driver ... it ll be better if they was free ... but look even on linux desktop most driver are closed source. | 16:22 |
| jonwil | yeah | 16:22 |
| khertan | jonwil: so it s still better than on maemo where also some gui part are closed sources | 16:22 |
| jonwil | I do note though that there seems to be no real progress towards a usable GPS chip in N900 meego. | 16:23 |
| jonwil | But that's a question for #meego-arm really :P | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The GPS chip is connected to the phone module | 16:24 |
| * khertan will try to install pyside and try khweeteur and khteditor on MeeGo DE | 16:25 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Was it lardman that had that proof-of-concept GPS parser? | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | he had whole gps software in the end i believe | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | as in standalone gps thing but no a support | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | just GPS without a in front | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, where do libraries and includes go on Mac OS X? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | same /usr/include and /usr/lib dirs? | 16:29 |
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| Grownseed | hi there | 16:37 |
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| Grownseed | would anybody have any idea how to solve this problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72599 ? | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Mounting already mounted filesystems tends to cause massive fileystem cofrruption. | 16:49 |
| pupnik | i'm inserting a lot of // WHAT THE FUCKs today | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Speed: is it even possible? | 16:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: that is only because you have not seen the CNet link | 16:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: then you you insert a OH THE HOLY FUCK | 16:51 |
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| Grownseed | SpeedEvil: I'm aware of that but i'd still quite like to know how i could achieve that | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | samba? | 16:54 |
| Grownseed | sure but that's not what i'm after | 16:54 |
| Grownseed | i basically want to turn my n900 into this http://hsti.com/shop/wireless-media-sticktm-2-0-new-look-4.html | 16:55 |
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| pupnik | Older Whiskey, Faster Horses, Younger Women <=== MORE MONEY | 17:03 |
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| pupnik | "I went to a psychoanalyst who told me I disliked everything too much. For this I took a great dislike to the psychoanalyst. I refused to pay five bucks for this new hate, and the psychoanalyst ended by hating me." | 17:11 |
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| edheldil | Hi, is it possible to voice call skype contact from n900? I see only text chat or skype call to pstn | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | you can do skype call | 17:36 |
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| jacekowski | but only if contact is online | 17:36 |
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| edheldil | ah, thank you very much. I am stupid :) | 17:37 |
| billmania | edheldil: Do you need a Skype contact with whom you can test? | 17:39 |
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| edheldil | no, but thank you. I can persuade my wife to login :) | 17:40 |
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| billmania | edheldil: I have successfully used the Skype client on the N900 to conduct a video call with a desktop Skype client. | 17:40 |
| billmania | I've not yet tried it between two N900s. | 17:40 |
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| edheldil | hmm, ok, we could try that :) | 17:42 |
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| MohammadAG | edheldil, call echo123 | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | or send this message to echo-chinese: "callme" to get called | 18:14 |
| billmania | MohammadAG: Is that procedure for a test Skype call? | 18:15 |
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| MohammadAG | billmania, yeah | 18:21 |
| billmania | Thanks. | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | billmania, echo123 is an automated service, it'll say hi and all, then record 10s and play them back | 18:24 |
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| BCMM | http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ says "Please use the icons as inspiration for your own icon designs" - anyone know how they are licensed? can one distribute icons thus "inspired" in a GPL app? | 18:27 |
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| edheldil | MohammadAG: thank you. We have already tried video call :) | 18:29 |
| cehteh | BCMM: Copyright (C) 2010 Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary(-ies). All rights reserved. | 18:30 |
| BCMM | cehteh: huh, kinda assumed that was the standard copyright note for the webpage and didn't look properly, thanks | 18:30 |
| cehteh | well i guess if not otherwise stated, "All rights reserved" applies to the icons too | 18:31 |
| cehteh | and its prolly nokia legalese bullshit .. they dont care when you use them for a maemo app .. but if you would use the for a iphone app they may wake up | 18:32 |
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| solistic | I'm looking for some solution to use my n900 as a remote control for mplayer, maybe via bluetooth. Any ideas where to head? | 18:34 |
| BCMM | solistic: ssh? :) | 18:34 |
| solistic | BCMM: I'd prefer some gui here | 18:35 |
| cehteh | mplayer can be controlled by lirc .. the n900 has a IR transmitter ... | 18:35 |
| cehteh | there are some 'remote control' apps for the ir transmitter .. so you just need a receiver | 18:35 |
| solistic | BCMM: cehteh but my notebook has no IR | 18:35 |
| solistic | cehteh: maybe I should get one | 18:36 |
| cehteh | well .. or just glue some ui together python/gtk or whatever and then as bcmm saied, ssh or so | 18:36 |
| cehteh | picking some arbitary network | 18:36 |
| cehteh | (is there some way to send udp over the IR port, unidirectional, that just sux but well could be a nice hack :)) | 18:37 |
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| BCMM | it would be cool if lirc supported some sort of "dummy receiver" that's actually a network server | 18:37 |
| solistic | BCMM: yep | 18:37 |
| psycho_oreos | there's things like bluemaemo one can probably hack to make it all work with bluetooth and working with mplayer | 18:37 |
| cehteh | lirc over ip tunnel | 18:38 |
| BCMM | http://code.google.com/p/lirc-bluetooth/ | 18:38 |
| BCMM | dunno exactly what this does, to be honest | 18:38 |
| solistic | BCMM: thx | 18:38 |
| BCMM | i mean, you'd have to rewrite teh client i reckon | 18:38 |
| solistic | anyone knows how bluetooth effects battery life? | 18:39 |
| edheldil | my friend uses normal BT keyboard as a remote :) | 18:39 |
| BCMM | solistic: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption (not much information, but some) | 18:40 |
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| solistic | BCMM: similar wifi, if I got it right | 18:41 |
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| chem|st | solistic: what about using screen on your desktop and ssh to it with n900? | 18:42 |
| BCMM | solistic: yeah, for the idle case. doesn't say what happens if you actually use bt | 18:42 |
| chem|st | or just fakekey? | 18:43 |
| solistic | chem|st: Here I'd still have to write some UI that I can use with dimmed light... | 18:43 |
| chem|st | ? | 18:44 |
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| chem|st | solistic: just make use of the keyboard? | 18:44 |
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| solistic | chem|st: oh, wait, I'll check | 18:45 |
| chem|st | solistic: create a .mplayer/input.conf (I doubt you even need it as I go with defaults) which fits your needs for PC and n900, and make use of screen and direct keyboardinput | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be a bad sign when the AARP starts sending you registration forms. . . . | 19:10 |
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| pupnik | what is a networked game for n900 that uses real-time communication | 19:11 |
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| solistic | chem|st: I head to set up network, grant my n900 access on my desktop, etc. and now it works perfectly | 19:11 |
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| solistic | chem|st: s/head/had | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: xchat | 19:11 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: that could be a fair test i guess | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus | pupnik: openttd? | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus | pupnik: quake | 19:12 |
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| kerio | i want sauerbraten on n900 :( | 19:13 |
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| slonopotamus | what stops you? | 19:13 |
| kerio | well i doubt the n900 supports opengl | 19:14 |
| kerio | i mean, the desktop version | 19:14 |
| kerio | someone would have to port cube2 to opengl es | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus | there's always software rendering | 19:14 |
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| kerio | http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/sauerbraten.jpg | 19:15 |
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| slonopotamus | debian has sauerbraten for arm so there should be no (extra to common maemo) problems running it on n900 | 19:18 |
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| pupnik | darn pants telling my body what shape to assume - begone! | 19:35 |
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| arvut | is there a good reason to make the swap bigger than the ram when I have 2gb of ddr2 ram? | 19:39 |
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| arvut | gah!! wrong room again lol, my apologies. | 19:40 |
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| pupnik | that was very old advice based on some unique aspects of linux kernel | 19:43 |
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| pupnik | i don't think you should need swap with 2GB ram | 19:44 |
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| jacekowski | that old advice was even then far from true | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | not having swap with 2G+ of ram is possible | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | but it's still bad idea | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | because it will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | so it can be reused for buffers and other stuff | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | total used free shared buffers cached | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | Mem: 7986 7876 109 0 106 4628 | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | -/+ buffers/cache: 3142 4843 | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | Swap: 999 43 955 | 19:49 |
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| pupnik | swap will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications? | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:53 |
| pupnik | in your case, 43 MB | 19:53 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | because system will swap memory that wasn't used in long time | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | and reuse it for cache and buffers | 19:53 |
| pupnik | i'm used to systems with 24MB and 250MB hard drives, really | 19:54 |
| cehteh | wow | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | i work on both ends | 19:54 |
| pupnik | it's ridiculous to have 2GB ram | 19:55 |
| cehteh | my first harddrive had 40MB and came with a 512KB memory extension | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | systems with 64G of ram and 6.4M of ram | 19:55 |
| cehteh | and was hillariously expensive ... 2500DM that time | 19:55 |
| pupnik | nice cet | 19:55 |
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| arvut | pupnik: im gonna max out my desktop pc's mobo with 24GB ram one day just cause I can! =P | 20:02 |
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| kerio | arvut: http://www.ramsan.com/products/4 | 20:03 |
| Damnshock | does modest suppor any kind of scripting? | 20:04 |
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| arvut | kerio: wow.. | 20:09 |
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| kerio | arvut: indeed | 20:10 |
| kerio | i want one :Q__ | 20:10 |
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| arvut | kerio: any other purpose other than having a cool ram machine? :P | 20:22 |
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| kerio | think of all the low-latency, high-bandwidth porn you can store | 20:25 |
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| thresh | hi guys. after updating to CSSU it seems FMTX no longer works. any reason why? | 20:46 |
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| andre__ | thresh, maybe #maemo-ssu | 20:54 |
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| thresh | andre__: thx, will try. (thanks for all your maemo-related work btw :) | 20:55 |
| andre__ | heh :) | 20:55 |
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| azilot | Hello | 21:33 |
| azilot | where can i ask about help with maemo? | 21:33 |
| azilot | here or in bugs channel? | 21:34 |
| frals | not in bugs channel ;) | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | here | 21:34 |
| azilot | Ok | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | ask then | 21:34 |
| azilot | on my n900 disappeared notification are | 21:35 |
| azilot | where battery, menu and other things were | 21:35 |
| azilot | and almost any application don`t want to start | 21:35 |
| azilot | i havn`t instaled any updates\new apps | 21:36 |
| azilot | i have only apps menu button and operator name on top of screen | 21:37 |
| azilot | i tried turno off\on and to remove battery | 21:38 |
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| arvut | azilot: you know you can type it all in one msg, right? ;) | 21:42 |
| azilot | yes, sorry | 21:42 |
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| kpoman | hello ! | 22:17 |
| azilot | hello | 22:17 |
| kpoman | do someone know how to solve kernel power 47 installing and not able to boot ? | 22:17 |
| kpoman | :p | 22:17 |
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| kpoman | I had 46 working. I had multiboot with nitdroid, base omap kernel, and power 46 ... after I updated it broke the kernel power | 22:18 |
| kpoman | ! | 22:18 |
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| ZenoArrow | Hi all, having some problems with MMS on my N900, this a good place to ask about them? Can't find phone number field on fMMS, does anyone here use it? | 22:18 |
| lolcat | ZenoArrow: yes | 22:19 |
| ZenoArrow | Hi lolcat, great. Do you know where I can find the 'Your Phone Number' field in fMMS? | 22:20 |
| lolcat | Not sure | 22:20 |
| lolcat | I havent installed it | 22:20 |
| ZenoArrow | Okay, thanks. Does anyone here use fMMS? | 22:21 |
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| lolcat | I do | 22:23 |
| lolcat | Not rigth now | 22:23 |
| lolcat | But when I need an sms | 22:23 |
| lolcat | and the layout is 100% equal to the sms thing | 22:23 |
| lolcat | Just google it | 22:23 |
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| ZenoArrow | lolcat, thanks but I really need to speak to someone who uses fMMS, I can work the basic stuff out for myself, it's a specific setting I'm looking for. | 22:24 |
| lolcat | ZenoArrow: Wich one? | 22:24 |
| ZenoArrow | Well all of the relevant ones really. TBH I think I've found out that the 'Your Phone Number' field has been removed. Still doesn't work though. | 22:25 |
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| pupnik | contact the author ZenoArrow | 22:27 |
| pupnik | these apps aren't written by a faceless bureaucracy :) | 22:27 |
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| ZenoArrow | Bit extreme, but might come to that. | 22:27 |
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| ZenoArrow | I'm getting different error messages now, so perhaps that's a sign of progress! | 22:29 |
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| pupnik | fmms really showed the power of a good community | 22:32 |
| pupnik | fixing serious omissions in a product | 22:32 |
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| azilot | so, has anybody any ideas about my problem? | 22:34 |
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| ZenoArrow | Got it working, this was the key: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS_configurations | 22:34 |
| ZenoArrow | Thanks for the chat. : ) | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | azilot: try it without a sim card perhaps | 22:35 |
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| mer_ge | Shouldn't such a video work on the N900? http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxactionshowipodvid?format=xml | 22:38 |
| mer_ge | I dont get it to work | 22:39 |
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| mer_ge | I have the extra decoders package installed | 22:39 |
| azilot | pupnik: Same thing. It tries to say, that i have no sim card and hangs (but a can turn off\on screen with lock slider) | 22:40 |
| mer_ge | in fact I don't get any "hak5.org" nor "linux action show" video to play ... :( | 22:40 |
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| pupnik | mkv? | 22:41 |
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| mer_ge | pupnik it just says "ipod" or "quicktime" version | 22:44 |
| Tronic | Why doesn't N900 boot with charger connected? I could swear that my old N900 didn't have this problem. | 22:46 |
| kpoman | hey please someone can help me a bit ? I get can't flash kernel, required files not found | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: forget multiboot - feel happy you don't have to reflash to recover from multiboot breaking arbitrary on update | 22:46 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer: help ! | 22:47 |
| pupnik | breaking arbitrary? | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: sorry, multiboot is broken by design. No idea how to recover other than reflash and not install multiboot again | 22:47 |
| azilot | what will happen if i`ll flash without full charged battery? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: multiboot is notorious to break things on kernel updates | 22:48 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer: it is working for omap and nitdroid | 22:48 |
| kpoman | only both kernel power entries are failing telling "can't flash kernel, required files not found" | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | azilot: you'll probably enter bootloop deadlock and need to charge battery externally | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: sorry I can't and won't help with multiboot issues | 22:49 |
| azilot | i`m not sure, that my phone is charging - it stays cool | 22:49 |
| azilot | and i can`t see charge icon - i lost somewhere this area | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | azilot: lshal|grep battery -- see volzage, it shall be >>4.00v | 22:50 |
| azilot | i can`t run xTerm | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 22:50 |
| azilot | yeap | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash as soon as possible, treat battery nice until then | 22:50 |
| azilot | i have destop applet - it says 94% | 22:52 |
| shanttu | Hi. i tried to remove cssu. I followed and did all steps mentioned on wiki. After "apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr", I got this http://pastebin.com/LVhKm7SU What to do? | 22:59 |
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| kerio | reflash | 23:03 |
| kerio | you can't "remove" something like that, at least not sanely | 23:03 |
| azilot | why you want to remove cssu? | 23:04 |
| shanttu | I have had some random reboots and I wanted to try if cssu had something to do with it | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | valid point | 23:05 |
| shanttu | I would not have even tried if removing was not mentioned on cssu-wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but to make sure on that point you actually need to reflash | 23:06 |
| shanttu | just have to do it then | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as removing cssu might introduce more bugs rather than curing the root cause | 23:06 |
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| azilot | what i loose after flashing? | 23:10 |
| azilot | apps? | 23:10 |
| pupnik | yes | 23:11 |
| pupnik | read about flashing | 23:12 |
| azilot | i think my phone don`t want to start | 23:12 |
| azilot | after flashing | 23:12 |
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| azilot | i see only running circles for long time and then black screen | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | takes time, some minutes | 23:17 |
| azilot | yes, it works ) | 23:17 |
| azilot | it`s sad, that i lost my custom keyboard layout, but it works | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | safe | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a minute | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | user:tZ/y50 | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | safe | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, yea - ssh pubkey working here, that's why I forgot :-D | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | I think I had it working | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | on the old broken n900 | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | but I forgot what I did :P | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Ahhaha, the Osama wasn't even armed when they killed him | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | btw. do you know that talibans offered to release osama just week after war in iraq started | 23:25 |
| Toba | yes | 23:25 |
| Toba | and bush said no | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you set a assword | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | they just asked for US to stop bombing them | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: and it works. | 23:25 |
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| Toba | basically bush is a horrible genius :( | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | oh hey I get unable to play for that mp4 linked above too | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not sure if you also need to fix permissions for ~user and ~user/.ssh | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | that was included in my backup, but /etc was not | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mustn't be world readable | 23:27 |
| * ShadowJK fires up his SmartQ7 | 23:27 | |
| ShadowJK | the MPlayer on it is very helpful to explain why shit doesn't play | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc ?? | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I was wondering about the smartQ - how is it? | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | (though not to the point of getting one) | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, slightly more sluggish than maemo4 on N8x0 | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been wandering around cheap chinese wholesalers, looking for solar panel bits. | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | But hw video capabilities of N900 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | setting up ssh via /etc isn't recommended for normal user systems, it's a server thing for idiot users that can't handle their own keys | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And coming across random computer bits. | 23:29 |
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| ShadowJK | USB1.1 host port, USB2 OTG port | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | no powersaving support apart from frequency scaling, so there's no standby battery life to speak of :) | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | dunno about the more recent models | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | this is the "original" 7" model with S3C6410 | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG | someone said he got 720p playback on the N900 | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I saw | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | (with an upgraded dspbridge patch in the kernel) | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | and newest codecs from TI | 23:37 |
| azilot | mhm, i have no Belarus region - is it ok? | 23:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Yep, smartq says "Only support baseline!" and decoder init fails :P | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin intriguing - though I think 720p is crap on that /5/6/5 max framebuffer | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | that's not the point | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what else? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | speed? | 23:40 |
| shanttu | time to flash n900 using ubuntu. to what folder do i move the image (bin) after flasher is installed? wiki does not assist me on this one. | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | moreover, DSS2 and/or SGX downscaling of 720p is likely crappier result than the same content in 480p | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | somehwere where you can find it | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: flasher -x -y -z /path/to/your/fiaco.bin | 23:41 |
| shanttu | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a pattern, not for c&p ;-) | 23:42 |
| pupnik | ShadowJK: wish we had dss2 scalable framebuffer | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | how do you think video is currently scaled? | 23:42 |
| shanttu | hehe | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | hmm i see /dev/fb1, fb2 | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | azilot: maybe you find an equivalent timezone and LANG settng? | 23:44 |
| azilot | yes, russia/kalinigrad | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | One is relevat for the display, and the other for tv out probably. Before starting X, the initscripts access /dev/fb directly to put up the nokia logo :P | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 23:45 |
| azilot | where can i set decimal delimiter to dot instead coma? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | man locale | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, here I got ... sorry can't type that cyrillic, looks like Belarussia, all the way down in selector | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3rd last before Russia and Makedonia | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | right after the Greek things | 23:48 |
| azilot | and is there somethingi have Vietnam, Greek, Kipros (?), russia | 23:49 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, my list is like azilot's too | 23:49 |
| azilot | maybe i have flashed wrong image? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | first boot wizard | 23:49 |
| azilot | was same | 23:49 |
| azilot | usa, vietnam, ellada, kipros, russia | 23:50 |
| shanttu | DocScrutinizer: CMT flashed successfully. thanks for the assistance. That went smooth. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: yw | 23:50 |
| azilot | will dpkg -reconfigure work on maemo? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck, my cam doesn't start on door-open | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ actually it segfaulr | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine did thart a bit ago | 23:52 |
| azilot | i had some time ago same thing | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I removed mbarcode, and it worked | 23:52 |
| azilot | removing fcam maybe helped | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | when I reinstalled | 23:53 |
| azilot | my n900 fly after flashing ) | 23:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer blames cssu | 23:53 | |
| azilot | (23:53:35) ***DocScrutinizer blames cssu | 23:53 |
| azilot | i had cssu and custom lens-cover launcher | 23:53 |
| * SpeedEvil has not used cssu yet. | 23:54 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I should | 23:54 |
| azilot | wwith flashlight mbarcode camera and mir translator | 23:54 |
| azilot | and all works | 23:54 |
| azilot | with cssu | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaaah flashlight was last thing I used, maybe it's buggy | 23:54 |
| azilot | it`s very helpfull ) | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I want flashlight to auto-start on opening shutter with phone pointing down | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't gotten round to wodking out how to do it. | 23:56 |
| azilot | what is difference between uk, usa, global maemo images? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin camera still using flash on first photo after start, even when "flash: never" | 23:57 |
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