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* DocScrutinizer wonders why it's such a strange feeling to see the own post for 3 hours01:41
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infobotDocScrutinizer: thanks01:42
* infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds zip 27910... Ahoskie Hertford NC01:42
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... weathercode camilo daza... SKCC located in Colombia 07-56N. Also see Cucuta01:43
* infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds airport tsa... The code for the airport in: Taipei (Domestic ?), Taiwan01:43
DocScrutinizerincredible amounts of junk factoids01:43
infobotHey docscrutinizer, apache-dev is the apache webserver development kit. ; see(apache ; apache-common ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl)01:44
DocScrutinizer~listkeys zip01:45
infobotFactoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13411 ;; zip 15032 ;; zip 16410 ;; zip 20710 ;; zip 2148 ;; zip 21713 ;; zip 23430 ;; zip 31024 ;; zip 39047 ;; zip 4417 ;; zip 44317 ;; zip 45671 ;; zip 48170 ;; zip 50585 ;; zip 544 ;; zip 54664 ;; zip 55052 ;; zip 56453 ;; zip 62359 ;; zip 66611 ;; zip 68003.01:45
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DocScrutinizer~listkeys weathercode01:48
infobotFactoid search of 'weathercode' by key (11 of 11705): weathercode adisumarmo ;; weathercode beaufort ;; weathercode bella coola ;; weathercode daua ;; weathercode dbbk ;; weathercode edma ;; weathercode el salvador. ;; weathercode fort chipewyan ;; weathercode frelighsburg ;; weathercode funchal ;; weathercode gunnison.01:48
DocScrutinizer~listkeys airport01:48
infobotFactoid search of 'airport' by key (18 of 1802): airport agu ;; airport bfd ;; airport cae ;; airport cdg ;; airport fez ;; airport goi ;; airport gpt ;; airport gtn ;; airport hts ;; airport ios ;; airport jnb ;; airport khh ;; airport khv ;; airport kij ;; airport mel ;; airport orh ;; airport pmv ;; airport pto.01:48
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DocScrutinizerooh, really not that many - probably not more airports :-P01:49
alteregoYou going to san fran?01:49
DocScrutinizerno money to spend for such fun01:50
alteregoAh well01:50
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DocScrutinizera pity01:50
alteregoYeah, I managed to get sponsorship thankfully01:50
DocScrutinizerno creditcard here :-P01:51
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DocScrutinizerthe concept of credit cards isn't that popular in Europe as it is in US01:51
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DocScrutinizeractually gan talked me into applying for sponsorship, when I noticed a CC is mandatory01:53
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DocScrutinizerwell, I couldn't contribute anyway, nor profit except from joy to meet some of you. So probably whoever got that sponsorship instead of me was the better choice, no doubt01:58
FIQ|n900wait a minute01:59
alteregoYeah, my first conf01:59
FIQ|n900am i supposed to succeed with installing things from Ovi directly from terminal?02:00
alteregoI never made it to any of the maemo ones before or the meego dublin one last year :/02:00
FIQ|n900or does Nokia's antipiracy thing fail?02:00
DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: no02:00
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FIQ|n900(it's a free thing atm, but still)02:00
FIQ|n900Then, I suppose that Nokia really looks up how it blocks things02:00
DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: you maybe got a '(un/back)patched' apt02:00
FIQ|n900could be ^02:01
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG, he knows details02:01
FIQ|n900but for gods sake, why place a antipiracy block _clientside_?02:01
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DocScrutinizerI've never been interested in OVI crap so didn't bother on those apt crippling and how to decripple it again02:02
DocScrutinizeryeah, why? maybe because OVI sucks by design?02:02
alteregoWe don't have any drm02:03
alteregoAnd they thought the easy way would be better :)02:03
alteregoThey were wrong02:03
alteregog'night folks02:03
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DocScrutinizerit doesn't matter for all I can tell, as there's plain nuttin on OVI anyway02:04
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* GeneralAntilles doesn't know why he always has such amazing amounts of trouble getting Ubuntu USB flash drives booting.03:18
14WAA642UAnyone have any success tethering the n900 with Bluetooth via T-Mobile on Ubuntu Natty?03:19
14WAA642UIt seems b0rked to me.03:19
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ds3tethering works fine with almost anything03:20
14WAA642UI have the mobile connection set up and am connected to the N900 via bluetooth, but the mobile internet connection doesn't show up in my network list.03:20
ds3*shrug* I use commandline when possible03:23
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* GeneralAntilles stabs the laptop.04:02
GeneralAntillesHow can it be so hard to boot a freaking USB flash drive?04:02
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Tobaare there any strace or equivalent tools available to run on the n900? I can only seem to find info about how to do it in scratchbox.05:01
TobaI'm dealing with a situation where one of the apps I develop is crashing and little to no information is available about why05:02
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ShadowJKIf you enable sdk tools repo on your n900 you can apt-get install strace05:19
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DocScrutinizerToba: also - for your convenience -
DocScrutinizeron your own peril05:23
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GAN900Quick poll: How would you write kilobits per seconds?05:43
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Tobaperil, i like the sound of that05:52
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Tobakilobits is kb/s05:53
Tobakilobytes is kB/s05:53
Tobabigger is bigger, aye05:53
ShadowJKi'd write kbit/s to avoid confusion05:53
DocScrutinizerToba: the installation of additional catalogs/repos is somewhat married to mentioning peril and such things05:54
TobaI've already got fremantle05:54
Tobahow much more peril should I expect, ratio wise05:54
TobaI'm ok with up to 50% more peril05:54
DocScrutinizeractually there's not much peril in the installation of the tools repo05:55
DocScrutinizeresp if you don't keep it enabled all the time05:55
ShadowJKas long as you dont do stupid stuff like "apt-get upgrade", or answer yes when apt-get warns you're about to do something dangerous05:56
DocScrutinizerbut you should check for doublettes if you clicked my installfile05:56
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DocScrutinizerham will happily install a catalog 10 times, when you got 10 install files with different names for the catalog05:57
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DocScrutinizerand will update it ten times ;-D05:57
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d-1337probably dumb question..  and old news..  but I've been busy..    nokia is completely dropping all present/future maemo/meego development?  and there are no meego phones in development?07:16
d-1337i saw the original announcement from the microsoft lacky...  but wasnt sure if I was understanding the corprateese correctly..07:18
Tronicd-1337: If you are talking of events many months ago, no, Nokia is not dropping MeeGo and apparently they are even planning Maemo 6.07:18
TronicN950 has been mentioned (albeit the product is likely released with another name), and also that one MeeGo phone would be released this year.07:19
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d-1337that is great news07:20
TronicThere is also stockholder meeting today and Nokia will likely release some new information there.07:20
d-1337i guess it has been a few months07:20
TronicSymbian will be dropped and there is no turning back on that, apparently.07:21
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d-1337btw..  what one meego phone?   please feel free to point me in the right direction for a web link07:24
d-1337any news on expected release dates?07:24
doc|homesymbian's not really a massive loss imo, but who's to know how messed up their new meego phone might be :/07:26
d-1337sorry i am behind..   why would it not be at least as good as the n900 with a faster processor?07:27
Tronicd-1337: Because Maemo has been developed far and the threw a lot of that away when MeeGo was started.07:29
TronicThe open-source version of MeeGo is currently not very promising.07:30
TronicNokia might have something much better that isn't released, of course.07:30
d-1337oh   :(07:30
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TronicThe current plan (announced by Intel IIRC) is to prioritize getting MeeGo running well on N900 so that more people would use it, but they specifically stated that this means less features (which I think is always the way to go).07:33
TronicSo, release early (make it work), release often (keep adding features).07:33
ds3Intel should sponsor someone to build arm hardware so people can try out meego07:34
d-1337that is certainly the way to go07:34
Tronicd-1337: Another thing you might be interested on is that a number of other companies have shown interest on MeeGo. I think LG was going to release several phones and other devices.07:34
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d-1337did meego end up using the deb or rpm package handling?07:35
TronicNot yum but some other system (written in C++ IIRC).07:36
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Tronic(which is good because yum is totally crap *and* slow)07:36
d-1337i should not that my n900's connection to  the sim card is flaking out lately..   which is why this is all such a pressing issue for me now07:37
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Tronicd-1337: Are you out of warranty already?07:38
d-1337yep..  been 1.5 years07:38
TronicToo bad :/07:38
d-1337tell me about it07:38
TronicBtw, doesn't Nokia have two year warranty?07:39
d-1337could of sworn I read 1 year..  but I will double check07:39
TronicHowever, Nokia recently began warranty replacing N900 with brand new N8 (you get full retail package and new two year warranty).07:40
d-1337an n8 hardly seems like a replacement07:40
TronicYou need to specifically request for N900, then you will get a new N900 but no package and no warranty extension.07:40
d-1337thanks for that info07:41
wmaronemeego is using zypper instead of yum07:41
TronicHowever, you can also accept the N8 and sell it for about 370 €, then buy a used N900 for 165-200 €.07:41
TronicI wanted the avoid the hassle of doing the trading myself and requested Nokia for a new N900.07:42
Tronicwmarone: Thanks, couldn't remember the name. Do you know if it is any good?07:43
wmaronehaven't tried using it on my N900 yet07:43
TronicHow about desktop?07:43
Tronic(or server)07:43
wmaroneyou can try openSuSE, since that's the default package manager07:44
TronicI guess I could try that a virtual machine.07:44
wmaroneyeah, that's how I run most Linux installs these days07:45
d-1337hmm..  it does say 1 year.   I'm in the US..   perhaps the 2 year is a european thing  ;/07:48
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d-1337there is a phone number listed there..  I'll give it a try tomorrow and see what happens07:50
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d-1337looks like I might buy another..    there isnt any competition for it yet..  and I couldnt handle taking a step back07:51
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d-1337tronic: thanks for answering my questions.   good night07:56
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jogahmm...for some reason my n900 couldn't get an internet connection while I was traveling to work...when I picked it from the network chooser it just instantly said that it failed to connect. I tried to switch between offline and normal mode, 3G/GSM/Dual and even reboot the device to no avail08:22
joganow that I got to work, I just put it to charge and it works as it's supposed to and immediately connected o_o08:22
jogabut I've never had that happen before like that I think... it had a low battery though. is there some reason why it wouldn't connect because of that?08:23
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maybeArghi had that happen a few days ago too, just couldn't get a connection while i was on my way from work to home08:25
maybeArghalso, my sim card is kinda loose08:25
jogahmm...I wonder if mine is loose or dirty08:26
jogabut it works now :)08:26
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GAN900Why is it that ever Ubuntu update invariably breaks wake from sleep.08:30
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derfBecause it's Linux.08:34
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pupnik__do you set a HDD standby time for your laptop?08:47
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keriolol ssd08:48
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pupnik__"We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops."08:49
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keriopupnik: you said that yesterday08:50
pupnikthanks kerio08:50
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arquebusanyone know what compilers will run on a maemo device? is there a list online somewhere?09:48
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psycho_oreosI think in general whatever linux supports. If there isn't a compiler made, you can probably either port it across, etc09:49
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arquebuspsycho_oreos: ok, because I think Tiny C should be able run on a N900, just wondering if anyone programs on the device here09:50
psycho_oreosarquebus, never heard of tiny C, there's people that do program stuff here. Also you don't have to compile everything on N900, there's scratchbox which can do just that09:52
pupnikon my other omap3 device i run gcc arquebus09:53
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arquebuspsycho_oreos: its a nice lightweight C compiler.09:53
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arquebuspupnik- If Nokia had any brains, they would make a netbook that runs Maemo with an ARM processor instead of their booklet 3G that runs win709:54
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Tronici need help quickly09:55
arquebusAnd if the people at OPC had brains, they also would use an ARM processor to run Maemo linux instead of x8609:55
psycho_oreoswe can't read minds here09:55
Tronicreceived sms disappears09:55
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Appiahmaybe you should be in charge of everything @ nokia arquebus09:55
psycho_oreoscould be issue with eMMC09:56
pupnikTronic: i haven't seen that problem09:56
Tronici get notification fo the message but no messages in messaging app09:56
Tronicexcept some older ones09:56
arquebusAppiah- yes I should be, but I guess everyone likes heavy x86 netbooks that run Windows *sigh*09:56
robbiethe1stEh... Personally, an arm chip's fine for a phone, but if I want a 7+inch tablet, it better have a full x86 processor.09:56
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robbiethe1stI mean, arm's just not powerful enough, nor is it compatible with old games.09:57
Tronici also somehow managed to re-receive the missing messages one of which contains a code i desperately need09:57
pupnikthen intel's offerings are for you09:57
pupnikarm is for other peopl09:57
arquebusrobbiethe1st: I can understand what youre saying, I want my netbooks to run full Linux and winXP, but I would ALSO like a lighter micro ARM based netbook09:57
Tronicbut i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again09:57
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Tronicbut i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again09:58
Sc0rpiuswhy a netbook?09:58
robbiethe1stBut, to be honest, you ought to be able to do both. I don't see why you couldn't put a low-end atom in a ipad-type device09:58
Sc0rpiusa Meego/Maemo tablet is what you want09:58
robbiethe1stmight need to be slightly thicker09:58
Tronicany ideas on how to trigger re-receiving09:58
Sc0rpiusand I heard Meego tablet is gonna happen09:58
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arquebusSc0rpius: no, I want a real keyboard, not type on the screen09:59
robbiethe1starquebus: Compaq TC1100. That's what you should want09:59
Sc0rpiusthen why Maemo and not real Linux like you can have today (a netbook with Ubuntu)09:59
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robbiethe1stTransformer, with a removable keyboard09:59
robbiethe1stWant a netbook? sure. Want a tablet? also sure.09:59
Sc0rpiusyeah but a super light netbook not gonna happen09:59
Sc0rpiusyou want super light stuff? get a tablet10:00
Sc0rpiusyou want keyboard? get a netbook10:00
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Sc0rpiusyou can't have both in the same device10:00
robbiethe1stn900-type slider tablet?10:00
Sc0rpiusthat would be terribly ugly and heavy10:00
arquebusrobbiethe1st: thats close, but I want a permant keyboard and ARM processor10:00
Sc0rpiusthe N900 is already heavy with 4.5"10:00
Sc0rpiusa 10" N900 would be a disaster heh10:01
Sc0rpiuswhy the ARM10:01
Sc0rpiusIntel Atom > ARM10:01
robbiethe1stPersonally, I want something like a 7" n900 with full 1280x720 screen.10:01
arquebusSc0rpius: it uses less power, but is still fast, ARM is the future10:01
Sc0rpiusI'm not sure about that and ARM is already old ...10:01
Sc0rpiusARM tablets can barely go to 8 hours10:02
robbiethe1starquebus: Have you ever tried running actual calculations on it? It's good for simple instructions, but floating point just /sucks/10:02
arquebusI want Nokia to make something like this:
Sc0rpiusand netbooks with Atom are already at 6 hours running full Windows10:02
arquebusrobbiethe1st: that may be true, but its good enough for light tasks10:02
Sc0rpiusif an iPhone were fully multitasking its battery would last like... 1 hour10:02
robbiethe1stN900 manages at least two with proc maxed. around 4 at heavy useage, and 6-8 of internet browsing10:03
arquebusSc0rpius: thats because the iPhone is too small, at netbook size it would be fine at multitasking10:04
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Sc0rpiussince I have a netbook AND a tablet, no complains from me :)10:04
Sc0rpiustwo different devices for two totally different purposes10:04
Sc0rpiusand I'd definitely buy a Meego tablet.10:05
Sc0rpiusand I'd never buy a Meego netbook10:05
arquebusIf I could flash Maemo to that Sharp handheld I linked to, then I have netbook power that fits in my pocket10:05
robbiethe1stJust use Ubuntu?10:06
abwhen you talk about power consumption, the reality is that 2/3s of it are from screen10:06
Sc0rpiusthat thing runs Ubuntu!!10:06
Sc0rpiusflasing Maemo to it would be a hell of a DOWNGRADE10:06
abwhich means you really need to spend on optimizing your displaying strategy10:06
robbiethe1stab: Or, just throw in a larger battery10:06
arquebusrobbiethe1st: I wont even use Ubuntu on my desktop, its a slug and always freezes on me, I use Mint only now10:07
abrobbiethe1st, this is where the progress is the slowest of all parts10:07
robbiethe1starq: You know Mint is just Ubuntu with a different theme?10:07
robbiethe1stand a couple extra packages10:07
Sc0rpiusI'm typing in an xchat that runs on Ubuntu right now and it has never ever froze on me10:07
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arquebusScorcerer: Im sure that Maemo would use a lot less resources and power than Ubuntu, Ubuntu is too slow for an Atom powered netbook10:08
robbiethe1stAand the fact that it runs Ubuntu means you could just grab the Mint themes and install em... Or go back to Debian and custom-install an optinized version10:08
abfor example, I have this nice NotionInk Adam tablet with PixelQi screen that is 5x times more power effective than ipad2's one. It does indeed live on the battery for about 20 hours without any problems10:08
abfor heavy 'angry birds' use :)10:08
Sc0rpiusyou can make Ubuntu use less resources, it's not like Maemo and Ubuntu are totally different things... they are the same OS.10:08
pupniknever seen the notionInk ab - hows the readability in sun/?10:08
arquebusScorcerer: well youre lucky, the desktop constantly froze on me install after install10:08
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abpupnik, brilliant. A bit bleaker than Kindle but very much better than any LCD/OLED10:09
pupnikSc0rpius: please don't call Maemo and Ubuntu the same OS10:09
robbiethe1starq: Not unless you've got a good GPU. Tried installing it(mer) on a x86 tablet(1.5ghz Pentium M) without a real GPU ... It ran at literally 1fps.10:09
Sc0rpiustechnically the OS is just ONE and ONLY ONE: Linux.10:09
robbiethe1stSc0rpius: Wrong.10:09
robbiethe1stLinux is the /kernel/10:09
Sc0rpiusMaemo is a Linux with things arranged different than Ubuntu, that's all.  Both are based on another arrangement called Debian10:09
Sc0rpiusand as you know, arrangements are called distros10:09
arquebusab- I just looked up that NotionLink, that looks good10:09
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Sc0rpiusLinux is not a kernel.  A linux kernel, is a kernel of Linux10:10
pupnikab any chance that transflective mfgr will get onto more devices10:10
robbiethe1stNo, Linux is the kernel. GNU/Linux is the OS.10:10
robbiethe1stGNU toolkit on top of the Linux kernel.10:10
arquebusSc0rpius: there are huge differences in RAM use between distros, compare Fedora to DSL Linux10:11
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Sc0rpiuseverything that runs on a Linux kernel is a Linux by definition and you can even read that in Wikipedia10:11
Sc0rpiusarquebus, you can make your own distribution like that10:11
Sc0rpiusyou don't need a whole new one to do that10:11
Sc0rpiusyou can "rearreange" your distro10:11
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robbiethe1stAnd wikipedia's always right? Give me a break. Go ask Linus Torvalds or Richard Stallman.10:11
Sc0rpiusLinux (commonly play /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in English,[5][6] also pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks[7] in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel.10:11
abpupnik, I really hope this happens. Unfortunately, current lead time for PixelQi screens is several months for small orders. I had to wait about 2 months before my tablet was made and that was already after they secured a build of PixelQi for about a month10:12
Sc0rpiusLinus Torvalds in not an eminence, actually, he's a moron (if you have ever met him)10:12
Sc0rpiusI'd ask Andrew Tannenbaum actually10:12
abpupnik, PixelQi's promise was to do real mass-production in Q4 201110:12
robbiethe1stIt's his kernel. He's got his name on at least half the commits, for better or worse10:12
arquebusSc0rpius: ok, well it depends on the windowing toolkit too, major differences between them10:12
pupnikab: can you compare it to n810 and n900 transflective performance?10:13
abpupnik, better, for sure. I have all of those.10:14
Sc0rpiusbut why Maemo? if you're lazy there are a lot of Linux distros already optimized for netbooks that really save the battery use10:14
abpupnik, especially to n900, in direct sunlight10:14
pupnikyeah i found best direct sunlight so far from e71 and n81010:14
Sc0rpiuslike (hehehe) Easy Peasy10:15
Sc0rpiusor wattOS10:15
Sc0rpiuswattOS is a lightweight Linux operating system remastered from the core Ubuntu Linux build. It is a free operating system that focuses on a small footprint, low power, and a simple quick interface.10:16
Sc0rpiusway too many option10:16
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abpupnik, e71 is a good compromise, yes.10:17
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Sc0rpiusI'd run Win7 on a netbook anyway, like I already do :P10:18
arquebus3 to 6 hours run time and weighs 3 pounds, Im ready to leave that for an ARM netbook10:19
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pupnikbut as ab knows, the screen is the major problem10:20
pupnikyou cannot outshine the daytime sun with a small battery10:20
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arquebusbut its worth going without backlighting to get a whole day of use10:21
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* Sc0rpius can't live without backlight10:23
Sc0rpiusI wouldn't ever buy a kindle just because of that10:23
chxthe reason to skip the Kindle is because of the DRM and related , not the battery10:24
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Sc0rpiusthe battery life is gorgeous, but I don't like the screen10:24
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chxthe eInk screen is awesome. i had three e-readers each one better than the previous one. The current one is a Sony 950, it's really great.10:26
pupnik ab any other comments on the NotionInk?10:26
abpupnik, they seem to go good way in their tunings of Android. They have published their kernel on github recently and are planning for quite a nice UI uplift10:27
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pupnika company worthy of support, imo10:28
ds3chx: does the lower contrast on the PRS units bother you?10:28
chxds3: have you seen the latest (x50) units?10:28
abpupnik, there seems to be healthy community with a lot of hacks around it. Rooting is allowed :)10:28
chxit's the same E Ink Pearl screen. awe-some.10:28
ds3chx: no... just the 600 and it lacks contrast compared to the kindle10:29
abpupnik, default camera software and image processing is crap :)10:29
chxthat's a 2nd generation E Ink screen10:29
Sc0rpiusthe Adam runs Android right?10:29
ds3but the touch thingie doesn't help10:29
pupnikab: yes an afterthought as usual10:29
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abSc0rpius, yes. They are in discussion with google for Honeycomb and claim already ported their own apps to it10:30
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Sc0rpiusbut it already runs Froyo, wich is very nice10:30
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abin general, their menu system and three-fold leafs are better than using standard Android menu10:31
abSc0rpius, Gingerbread 2.3 is ought to be in update coming out today10:31
Sc0rpiusand I guess there's a way to root it and install a different ROM10:32
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abyes, and still keep the primary updates possible10:32
Sc0rpiusthe Adam definitely looks really nice10:33
abgood attitude from a bangalore startup, though they have witnessed a lot of turbulence in finance and logistics10:33
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pupnikThe future of mobile computing requires low power screens that are readable in any light.10:33
Sc0rpiusyup, definitely10:33
abI must say I like this metallic look too, it is more "natural" to me10:34
pupnikyou're the first notion ink owner i meet10:35
pupnikthat's truly a high-end tablet10:35
Sc0rpiusyeah it's supposed to run for 16 hours10:36
Sc0rpiusthe overall device is nice but the only thing I really like is the screen.  Otherwise I'd get a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.10:37
Sc0rpiusI've heard customer support over Notion Ink is not good.  Samsung, instead, is a big company10:37
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Sc0rpiusthe galaxy tab is really thin and light10:38
abfrankly speaking, I never needed their customer support10:38
abI knew what I went for with pre-orders from a small startup10:38
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aband I know logistics in mobile world means for securing and ordering parts in China10:39
Sc0rpiushow much did you wait for the device since you ordered it?10:39
Sc0rpius)and excuse my terrible english)10:40
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abaround 1.5 months10:40
Sc0rpiusnot bad10:40
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abI wasn't the first one in that pre-order10:41
abordered mid-February, it came just day or two before my birthday in early April10:41
pupnikcustomer support should be charged by-the-hour10:42
abas I customer I fail to see what else I need from a customer support other than fixing bugs and solving logistics/financials problems10:42
Sc0rpiusthat would make the customer support staff help people really SLOW so they can earn more :P10:42
abbut I'm "advanced" customer :)10:43
Sc0rpiuswell if you need to use the warranty...10:43
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Sc0rpiusa hardware defect/problem, that's what I meant, more than software support10:43
abyeah, for the warranty around HW problems I haven't heard any real issues with NotionInk, at least with my PO2 build10:44
abthose who had problems got them solved fast10:45
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kdubmy n900 is being weird. its screen won't turn on. when i press the screen, it makes click-noises, and the camera will flash when i press the button. any one seen anything like this?11:26
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jacekowskihave you tried turning it off and on?11:31
jacekowskias in complete power down including removing the battery11:31
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kdubjacekowski: yep, tried removing the battery11:36
jacekowskithen screen may be broken11:37
jacekowskiand not working11:37
kdubjacekowski: its looking something like that, i cant even get it to do the white screen when i press U on boot11:37
jacekowskithing is that if screen is completly disconnected it's not going to boot at all11:38
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jacekowskiwhich makes the problem strange11:38
kdubjacekowski: should the component video still work?11:39
kdubi don't see that working either11:39
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kduband the next question becomes, how do i get my contacts out of a phone with no screen? :)11:48
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pupnikthe unix way would be a textfile11:49
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Robot101kdub: I plugged in a USB cable and managed to use opensync to get a folder full of vcards11:54
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Robot101most other stuff, SyncML, BlueTooth, etc needs you to interact with the screen to much11:54
Robot101even a usb cable requires you to select pc suite mode11:55
kdubi'm having a bit more luck with getting the screen to pop up with the component video11:55
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kdubthat is to say, i can at least see the nokia logo from time to time11:55
kdubif i can get to the main screen, i'm hoping i could transcribe everyone off manually :P11:56
kdubopensync might be the way to go11:56
Robot101opensync is mostly deprecated in favour of syncevo, for me at least, but syncevo doesn't support usb :(11:57
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alteregoI thought opensync replaced syncevo12:04
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Robot101alterego: ... no12:07
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kdubok, so got my contacts and photos out, phew12:20
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kdubphone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, but the phone screen itself is borked, won't turn on. sound like its time for a new phone then?12:21
alteregogood job12:21
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SpeedEvilYou can swap the display12:21
SpeedEvilkdub: Are you in the EU?12:21
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SpeedEvilIf so, it's still under warranty12:22
kdubSpeedEvil: nope. no nokia stores this side of the pond12:22
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kdubliterally was a year to the date of purchase that this happens12:24
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robbiethe1stScreens cost about $40 on Ebay and about an hour total to install12:25
robbiethe1stand they typically include the tools needed as well12:25
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pupnik  roguelike tiles project12:29
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auenf<kdub> phone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, <-- composite i think you mean12:31
auenfcomponent is 3 RCA's for video12:31
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DocScrutinizerkdub: you probably are suffering from FPC ribbon break13:26
DocScrutinizerkdub: had that myself13:29
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pupnikgive us a chance, so we can discover13:40
pupnikthe most valuable ways to serve one another13:41
* SpeedEvil passes pupnik a book entitled 'To Serve Man'.13:41
* DocScrutinizer nominates pupnik for channel preacher13:41
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DocScrutinizerkdub: OUT-OF-STOCK13:53
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jacekowskikdub: it should13:54
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: thing is that if flex is broken phone wouldn't start at all14:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: at least it doesn't start when it's disconnected14:02
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MohammadAGjacekowski, any ideas why that's the case?14:06
Mece_ooh. pocketsphinx eats a lot of rootfs...14:07
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: mine started14:10
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: as there's usually only a few joints broken in that insane 3-layer b2b-plug end of the flex14:12
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DocScrutinizeryou might even be lucky to fix it by using a hot flat-iron14:14
RST38hmoo again14:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seems the I2C coomunication to LCD controller breaks and that makes NOLO "segfault"14:15
DocScrutinizerthere must be also other catches, as my AV out had strange problems as well, from distorted to no video at all14:17
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, oh so it doesn't even START to start14:19
DocScrutinizeralas the LCM is poorly (not at all) documented14:19
MohammadAGI thought it fails somewhere after nolo and after loading the kernel14:19
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I dunno, as I never investigated that case. Maybe NOLO works but kernel video driver borks14:20
DocScrutinizermaybe it's even the cam driver or whatever14:21
DocScrutinizerproxy sensor14:21
DocScrutinizerthere's quite some possible error patterns for disconnected FPC14:22
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, point is, if it's not nolo it can be overridden somehow14:23
DocScrutinizerit can even be overridden by a special NOLO if needed ;-D14:23
DocScrutinizerbut what for?14:23
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timeless_w7ipi got spam in finnish (from china)14:30
timeless_w7ipgmail doesn't think i've ever had that happen before14:30
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jaskapoorly machine translated spam i expect14:33
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DocScrutinizer>>we offer high quality diploma. We need this infamation...<< (SIC!)14:45
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DocScrutinizer3 idiots per months make their living I guess14:47
RST38hthey need your inflammation14:47
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jonwilHave we had any useful news from Nokia or Quim about the idea to kick the tires on some of the license change requests?15:27
andre__jonwil, I assume that is still the status quo15:27
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jonwilwell the last word I had is that Quim Gill (as the Open Source guy at Nokia) was going to re-investigate the license change requests to see if any of them can be fulfilled without vast amounts of effort15:35
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pupnikramen + frozen vegetables15:44
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jacekowskiwhat is the best voice recording software for n900?15:48
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cehtehmydicto or what its named .. it works at least for me15:50
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billmaniajonwil: andre__: Are you referring to specific changes to make all of Maemo and/or MeeGo fully open source and available to the community, even in the absence of any official support from Nokia?15:56
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pupnikto make SPECIFIC THINGS open-source15:57
pupnikbillmania: re-read your question15:57
jonwilto make specific pieces of the software open source15:57
NGE01who know what max up/down speed nokia n90015:57
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jonwiland to make the exact versions that are installed on a N900 fully updated with the nokia updater open source (and not some "future version" that is MeeGo compatible but of no use for maemo)15:58
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pupnik++ jonwil ... good man15:58
billmaniapupnik: I read my question several times before pressing "Enter".15:59
jacekowskiNGE01: via 3.5G?15:59
andre__billmania, upstream meego is fully open source as far as I know16:00
billmaniajonwil: Your statement implies that parts of Maemo are and shall remain NOT open source?16:00
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jonwilyes there are parts of maemo that are not open source16:00
jonwilplenty of parts16:00
andre__billmania, and parts of maemo are not open source and it is unlikely that some of those parts of maemo ever become open source.16:00
jacekowskiNGE01: it's 10/2 on HSPA16:00
billmaniaandre__: Thanks. That reduces my ignorance a bit.16:00
billmaniaandre__: Thanks. That's what I was looking for.16:00
andre__see for potential reasons16:00
billmaniaDoes this group of Maemo users and/or enthusiasts prefer a Maemo which is completely open source, even after Nokia may completely abandon Maemo, or would they prefer to move forward to a fully open source MeeGo, for the N900 or any other platform?16:02
billmaniaandre__: Reading ...16:02
NGE01jacekowski, why I remember that up 5.76?16:02
andre__billmania, what group?16:03
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jonwilI wish for open source of the dozen or so parts of Maemo that I want to see opened up/be able to modify16:03
andre__groups often contain of individuals that have different opinions and points of view...16:03
billmaniaThe 367 people currently idling in this IRC channel.16:03
jonwilI have no desire to move to another platform (MeeGo or otherwise)16:03
andre__billmania, feel free to collect 367 different opinions than, I16:03
andre__'d say :)16:03
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khertanspecially when we see what it meego16:04
billmaniaandre__: Only 367? I expect I'd get more than that. :-D16:04
jonwilI do not believe MeeGo on the N900 will ever reach feature parity with the current N900 software16:04
billmaniajonwil: Ah. That's useful information.16:05
khertanI do not believe MeeGo will ever reach phone hardware16:05
jonwilYou can run MeeGo right now on an N900 if you want16:05
jonwilLast I checked, you can even make a phone call with it16:05
khertanjonwil: did you try it ?16:05
jonwilNo I have not tried it16:05
khertanyep ... you made partial phone16:05
khertanand currently i'm trying to understand why wifi keep disconnecting16:06
billmaniakhertan: Are you referring to your first-hand experience with MeeGo on your N900?16:06
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khertanbillmania: nope the first was worse :)16:06
khertanbillmania: what annoy me the most about meego is the packaging system use.16:06
jonwilI also do not believe that using bits of MeeGo such as ofono is a viable solution on the N900 either16:07
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jonwilat least not as things stand16:07
billmaniakhertan: Packaging would seem to be secondary to a functional, stable OS for the N900.16:07
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khertanbillmania: depends if you are a dev ...16:08
khertanbillmania: i ll probably never build any package to meego because it s more head hash than on maemo16:08
khertan(which isn't a reference of simplicity)16:08
billmaniakhertan: I am not a kernel developer. I am a Python developer. I have not created any debian packages yet, only RPMs.16:09
jonwilIsn't MeeGo using essentially the same packaging system as Fedora and Red Hat?16:09
khertanjonwil: this is probably where i see the main problem16:09
khertanbillmania: I am a Python developert too. I ve try to create rpm package with relative success. But debian package are easy to product with sdist_maemo distutils extension.16:10
billmaniakhertan: That must be why we are also carrying on a conversation in the #pyside channel? :-D16:11
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billmaniaSo, if I understand correctly, the consensus appears to be that MeeGo is completely open source but currently neither fully functional nor fully stable for the N900.16:11
SpeedEvilThat's the state as I understand it billmania16:12
billmaniaMaemo is a more complete and stable OS for the N900, but is not completely open source and is being abandoned by its current "owner" Nokia.16:12
SpeedEvilIt may be wrothhile asking #meego of their opinion.16:12
billmaniaSpeedEvil: Agreed. Do you know how much collaboration and cooperation currently exists between the Maemo team and the MeeGo team?16:13
Tronicbillmania: Also it is slow as hell (or was the last time I tried).16:13
billmaniaTronic: MeeGo on the N900 is significantly slower than Maemo on the N900?16:13
SpeedEvilbillmania: There is a certain antipathy in some ways - owing to history.16:14
Tronicbillmania: Yes, due to MeeGo not being optimized at the time. They are working on that at the moment.16:14
SpeedEvilCommunication and transition was not well dealt with by nokia.16:14
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khertanbillmania: the n900 de edition isn't slow like older handset edition16:15
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khertanbillmania: at least the desktop didn't give the feeling to be slower than Maemo16:15
billmaniakhertan: German MeeGo for N900?16:15
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khertanbillmania: Developper Edition16:16
jonwilMeeGo is NOT 100% open source, at least on as N90016:16
billmaniakhertan: Ah.16:16
jonwilThats the current closed-source bits of Meego-on-N90016:17
billmaniaI'm hoping that despair will set in amongst the retailers of the N900, so I can afford to buy a second or third for experimenting.16:18
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billmaniaMy current N900 is now a critical tool in my arsenal and I'm apprehensive about trying various and sundry versions of Maemo or MeeGo on it.16:18
billmania(Despair, causing them to drastically reduce the price.)16:19
khertanjonwil: this look like as usual ... non free driver.16:19
khertanjonwil: it s still less non free than maemo :)16:19
billmaniakhertan: That statement is worthy of quoting. :-D16:20
jonwilIf you think any of the players in the mobile GPU space are ever going to open their specs/code, I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you :)16:20
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khertanbillmania: :)16:20
SpeedEviljonwil: They will!16:21
* SpeedEvil cheats.16:22
khertanjonwil: i mean ... this is just some closed source driver ... it ll be better if they was free ... but look even on linux desktop most driver are closed source.16:22
khertanjonwil: so it s still better than on maemo where also some gui part are closed sources16:22
jonwilI do note though that there seems to be no real progress towards a usable GPS chip in N900 meego.16:23
jonwilBut that's a question for #meego-arm really :P16:23
SpeedEvilThe GPS chip is connected to the phone module16:24
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SpeedEvilWas it lardman that had that proof-of-concept GPS parser?16:25
jacekowskihe had whole gps software in the end i believe16:26
jacekowskias in standalone gps thing but no a support16:26
jacekowskijust GPS without a in front16:26
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, where do libraries and includes go on Mac OS X?16:29
MohammadAGsame /usr/include and /usr/lib dirs?16:29
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Grownseedhi there16:37
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Grownseedwould anybody have any idea how to solve this problem ?16:44
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SpeedEvilMounting already mounted filesystems tends to cause massive fileystem cofrruption.16:49
pupniki'm inserting a lot of // WHAT THE FUCKs today16:50
RST38hSpeed: is it even possible?16:50
RST38hpupnik: that is only because you have not seen the CNet link16:50
RST38hpupnik: then you you insert a OH THE HOLY FUCK16:51
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GrownseedSpeedEvil: I'm aware of that but i'd still quite like to know how i could achieve that16:53
Grownseedsure but that's not what i'm after16:54
Grownseedi basically want to turn my n900 into this
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pupnikOlder Whiskey, Faster Horses, Younger Women <=== MORE MONEY17:03
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pupnik"I went to a psychoanalyst who told me I disliked everything too much. For this I took a great dislike to the psychoanalyst. I refused to pay five bucks for this new hate, and the psychoanalyst ended by hating me."17:11
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edheldilHi, is it possible to voice call skype contact from n900? I see only text chat or skype call to pstn17:35
jacekowskiyou can do skype call17:36
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jacekowskibut only if contact is online17:36
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edheldilah, thank you very much. I am stupid :)17:37
billmaniaedheldil: Do you need a Skype contact with whom you can test?17:39
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edheldilno, but thank you. I can persuade my wife to login :)17:40
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billmaniaedheldil: I have successfully used the Skype client on the N900 to conduct a video call with a desktop Skype client.17:40
billmaniaI've not yet tried it between two N900s.17:40
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edheldilhmm, ok, we could try that :)17:42
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MohammadAGedheldil, call echo12318:14
MohammadAGor send this message to echo-chinese: "callme" to get called18:14
billmaniaMohammadAG: Is that procedure for a test Skype call?18:15
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MohammadAGbillmania, yeah18:21
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MohammadAGbillmania, echo123 is an automated service, it'll say hi and all, then record 10s and play them back18:24
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BCMM says  "Please use the icons as inspiration for your own icon designs" - anyone know how they are licensed? can one distribute icons thus "inspired" in a GPL app?18:27
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edheldilMohammadAG:  thank you. We have already tried video call :)18:29
cehtehBCMM: Copyright (C) 2010 Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary(-ies). All rights reserved.18:30
BCMMcehteh: huh, kinda assumed that was the standard copyright note for the webpage and didn't look properly, thanks18:30
cehtehwell i guess if not otherwise stated, "All rights reserved" applies to the icons too18:31
cehtehand its prolly nokia legalese bullshit .. they dont care when you use them for a maemo app .. but if you would use the for a iphone app they may wake up18:32
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solisticI'm looking for some solution to use my n900 as a remote control for mplayer, maybe via bluetooth. Any ideas where to head?18:34
BCMMsolistic: ssh? :)18:34
solisticBCMM: I'd prefer some gui here18:35
cehtehmplayer can be controlled by lirc .. the n900 has a IR transmitter ...18:35
cehtehthere are some 'remote control' apps for the ir transmitter .. so you just need a receiver18:35
solisticBCMM: cehteh but my notebook has no IR18:35
solisticcehteh: maybe I should get one18:36
cehtehwell .. or just glue some ui together python/gtk or whatever and then as bcmm saied, ssh or so18:36
cehtehpicking some arbitary network18:36
cehteh(is there some way to send udp over the IR port, unidirectional, that just sux but well could be a nice hack :))18:37
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BCMMit would be cool if lirc supported some sort of "dummy receiver" that's actually a network server18:37
solisticBCMM: yep18:37
psycho_oreosthere's things like bluemaemo one can probably hack to make it all work with bluetooth and working with mplayer18:37
cehtehlirc over ip tunnel18:38
BCMMdunno exactly what this does, to be honest18:38
solisticBCMM: thx18:38
BCMMi mean, you'd have to rewrite teh client i reckon18:38
solisticanyone knows how bluetooth effects battery life?18:39
edheldilmy friend uses normal BT keyboard as a remote :)18:39
BCMMsolistic: (not much information, but some)18:40
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solisticBCMM: similar wifi, if I got it right18:41
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chem|stsolistic: what about using screen on your desktop and ssh to it with n900?18:42
BCMMsolistic: yeah, for the idle case. doesn't say what happens if you actually use bt18:42
chem|stor just fakekey?18:43
solisticchem|st: Here I'd still have to write some UI that I can use with dimmed light...18:43
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chem|stsolistic: just make use of the keyboard?18:44
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solisticchem|st: oh, wait, I'll check18:45
chem|stsolistic: create a .mplayer/input.conf (I doubt you even need it as I go with defaults) which fits your needs for PC and n900, and make use of screen and direct keyboardinput18:49
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GeneralAntillesIt's gotta be a bad sign when the AARP starts sending you registration forms. . . .19:10
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pupnikwhat is a networked game for n900 that uses real-time communication19:11
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solisticchem|st: I head to set up network, grant my n900 access on my desktop, etc. and now it works perfectly19:11
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solisticchem|st: s/head/had19:11
SpeedEvilpupnik: xchat19:11
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pupnikSpeedEvil: that could be a fair test i guess19:12
slonopotamuspupnik: openttd?19:12
slonopotamuspupnik: quake19:12
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kerioi want sauerbraten on n900 :(19:13
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slonopotamuswhat stops you?19:13
keriowell i doubt the n900 supports opengl19:14
kerioi mean, the desktop version19:14
keriosomeone would have to port cube2 to opengl es19:14
slonopotamusthere's always software rendering19:14
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slonopotamusdebian has sauerbraten for arm so there should be no (extra to common maemo) problems running it on n90019:18
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pupnikdarn pants telling my body what shape to assume - begone!19:35
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arvutis there a good reason to make the swap bigger than the ram when I have 2gb of ddr2 ram?19:39
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arvutgah!! wrong room again lol, my apologies.19:40
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pupnikthat was very old advice based on some unique aspects of linux kernel19:43
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pupniki don't think you should need swap with 2GB ram19:44
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jacekowskithat old advice was even then far from true19:47
jacekowskinot having swap with 2G+ of ram is possible19:48
jacekowskibut it's still bad idea19:48
jacekowskibecause it will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications19:48
jacekowskiso it can be reused for buffers and other stuff19:48
jacekowski             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached19:49
jacekowskiMem:          7986       7876        109          0        106       462819:49
jacekowski-/+ buffers/cache:       3142       484319:49
jacekowskiSwap:          999         43        95519:49
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pupnikswap will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications?19:53
pupnikin your case, 43 MB19:53
jacekowskibecause system will swap memory that wasn't used in long time19:53
jacekowskiand reuse it for cache and buffers19:53
pupniki'm used to systems with 24MB and 250MB hard drives, really19:54
jacekowskii work on both ends19:54
pupnikit's ridiculous to have 2GB ram19:55
cehtehmy first harddrive had 40MB and came with a 512KB memory extension19:55
jacekowskisystems with 64G of ram and 6.4M of ram19:55
cehtehand was hillariously expensive ... 2500DM that time19:55
pupniknice cet19:55
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arvutpupnik: im gonna max out my desktop pc's mobo with 24GB ram one day just cause I can! =P20:02
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Damnshockdoes modest suppor any kind of scripting?20:04
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arvutkerio: wow..20:09
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kerioarvut: indeed20:10
kerioi want one :Q__20:10
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arvutkerio: any other purpose other than having a cool ram machine? :P20:22
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keriothink of all the low-latency, high-bandwidth porn you can store20:25
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threshhi guys. after updating to CSSU it seems FMTX no longer works. any reason why?20:46
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andre__thresh, maybe #maemo-ssu20:54
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threshandre__: thx, will try. (thanks for all your maemo-related work btw :)20:55
andre__heh :)20:55
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azilotwhere can i ask about help with maemo?21:33
azilothere or in bugs channel?21:34
fralsnot in bugs channel ;)21:34
jacekowskiask then21:34
aziloton my n900 disappeared notification are21:35
azilotwhere battery, menu and other things were21:35
azilotand almost any application don`t want to start21:35
aziloti havn`t instaled any updates\new apps21:36
aziloti have only apps menu button and operator name on top of screen21:37
aziloti tried turno off\on and to remove battery21:38
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arvutazilot: you know you can type it all in one msg, right? ;)21:42
azilotyes, sorry21:42
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kpomanhello !22:17
kpomando someone know how to solve kernel power 47 installing and not able to boot ?22:17
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kpomanI had 46 working. I had multiboot with nitdroid, base omap kernel, and power 46 ... after I updated it broke the kernel power22:18
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ZenoArrowHi all, having some problems with MMS on my N900, this a good place to ask about them? Can't find phone number field on fMMS, does anyone here use it?22:18
lolcatZenoArrow: yes22:19
ZenoArrowHi lolcat, great. Do you know where I can find the 'Your Phone Number' field in fMMS?22:20
lolcatNot sure22:20
lolcatI havent installed it22:20
ZenoArrowOkay, thanks. Does anyone here use fMMS?22:21
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lolcatI do22:23
lolcatNot rigth now22:23
lolcatBut when I need an sms22:23
lolcatand the layout is 100% equal to the sms thing22:23
lolcatJust google it22:23
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ZenoArrowlolcat, thanks but I really need to speak to someone who uses fMMS, I can work the basic stuff out for myself, it's a specific setting I'm looking for.22:24
lolcatZenoArrow: Wich one?22:24
ZenoArrowWell all of the relevant ones really. TBH I think I've found out that the 'Your Phone Number' field has been removed. Still doesn't work though.22:25
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pupnikcontact the author ZenoArrow22:27
pupnikthese apps aren't written by a faceless bureaucracy :)22:27
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ZenoArrowBit extreme, but might come to that.22:27
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ZenoArrowI'm getting different error messages now, so perhaps that's a sign of progress!22:29
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pupnikfmms really showed the power of a good community22:32
pupnikfixing serious omissions in a product22:32
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azilotso, has anybody any ideas about my problem?22:34
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ZenoArrowGot it working, this was the key:
ZenoArrowThanks for the chat. : )22:34
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pupnikazilot: try it without a sim card perhaps22:35
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mer_geShouldn't such a video work on the N900?
mer_geI dont get it to work22:39
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mer_geI have the extra decoders package installed22:39
azilotpupnik: Same thing. It tries to say, that i have no sim card and hangs (but a can turn off\on screen with lock slider)22:40
mer_gein fact I don't get any "" nor "linux action show" video to play ... :(22:40
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mer_gepupnik it just says "ipod" or "quicktime" version22:44
TronicWhy doesn't N900 boot with charger connected? I could swear that my old N900 didn't have this problem.22:46
kpomanhey please someone can help me a bit ? I get can't flash kernel, required files not found22:46
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DocScrutinizerkpoman: forget multiboot - feel happy you don't have to reflash to recover from multiboot breaking arbitrary on update22:46
kpomanDocScrutinizer: help !22:47
pupnikbreaking arbitrary?22:47
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DocScrutinizerkpoman: sorry, multiboot is broken by design. No idea how to recover other than reflash and not install multiboot again22:47
azilotwhat will happen if i`ll flash without full charged battery?22:48
DocScrutinizerkpoman: multiboot is notorious to break things on kernel updates22:48
kpomanDocScrutinizer: it is working for omap and nitdroid22:48
kpomanonly both kernel power entries are failing telling "can't flash kernel, required files not found"22:48
DocScrutinizerazilot: you'll probably enter bootloop deadlock and need to charge battery externally22:48
DocScrutinizerkpoman: sorry I can't and won't help with multiboot issues22:49
aziloti`m not sure, that my phone is charging - it stays cool22:49
azilotand i can`t see charge icon - i lost somewhere this area22:49
DocScrutinizerazilot: lshal|grep battery  -- see volzage, it shall be >>4.00v22:50
aziloti can`t run xTerm22:50
DocScrutinizerreflash as soon as possible, treat battery nice until then22:50
aziloti have destop applet - it says 94%22:52
shanttuHi. i tried to remove cssu. I followed and did all steps mentioned on wiki. After "apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr", I got this What to do?22:59
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kerioyou can't "remove" something like that, at least not sanely23:03
azilotwhy you want to remove cssu?23:04
shanttuI have had some random reboots and I wanted to try if cssu had something to do with it23:05
DocScrutinizervalid point23:05
shanttuI would not have even tried if removing was not mentioned on cssu-wiki
DocScrutinizerbut to make sure on that point you actually need to reflash23:06
shanttujust have to do it then23:06
DocScrutinizeras removing cssu might introduce more bugs rather than curing the root cause23:06
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azilotwhat i loose after flashing?23:10
pupnikread about flashing23:12
aziloti think my phone don`t want to start23:12
azilotafter flashing23:12
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aziloti see only running circles for long time and then black screen23:13
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DocScrutinizertakes time, some minutes23:17
azilotyes, it works )23:17
azilotit`s sad, that i lost my custom keyboard layout, but it works23:18
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DocScrutinizerwait a minute23:20
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DocScrutinizerhell, yea - ssh pubkey working here, that's why I forgot :-D23:22
ShadowJKI think I had it working23:24
ShadowJKon the old broken n90023:24
ShadowJKbut I forgot what I did :P23:24
RST38hAhhaha, the Osama wasn't even armed when they killed him23:24
jacekowskibtw. do you know that talibans offered to release osama just week after war in iraq started23:25
Tobaand bush said no23:25
SpeedEvilShadowJK: you set a assword23:25
jacekowskithey just asked for US to stop bombing them23:25
SpeedEvilShadowJK: and it works.23:25
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Tobabasically bush is a horrible genius :(23:25
ShadowJKoh hey I get unable to play for that mp4 linked above too23:26
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DocScrutinizernot sure if you also need to fix permissions for ~user and ~user/.ssh23:27
ShadowJKthat was included in my backup, but /etc was not23:27
DocScrutinizermustn't be world readable23:27
* ShadowJK fires up his SmartQ723:27
ShadowJKthe MPlayer on it is very helpful to explain why shit doesn't play23:27
DocScrutinizer/etc ??23:28
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: I was wondering about the smartQ - how is it?23:28
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SpeedEvil(though not to the point of getting one)23:28
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, slightly more sluggish than maemo4 on N8x023:28
SpeedEvilI've been wandering around cheap chinese wholesalers, looking for solar panel bits.23:28
ShadowJKBut hw video capabilities of N90023:29
DocScrutinizersetting up ssh via /etc isn't recommended for normal user systems, it's a server thing for idiot users that can't handle their own keys23:29
SpeedEvilAnd coming across random computer bits.23:29
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ShadowJKUSB1.1 host port, USB2 OTG port23:31
ShadowJKno powersaving support apart from frequency scaling, so there's no standby battery life to speak of :)23:31
ShadowJKdunno about the more recent models23:32
ShadowJKthis is the "original" 7" model with S3C641023:33
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MohammadAGsomeone said he got 720p playback on the N90023:37
ShadowJKYeah I saw23:37
MohammadAG(with an upgraded dspbridge patch in the kernel)23:37
ShadowJKand newest codecs from TI23:37
azilotmhm, i have no Belarus region - is it ok?23:37
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ShadowJKYep, smartq says "Only support baseline!" and decoder init fails :P23:39
DocScrutinizerfriggin intriguing - though I think 720p is crap on that /5/6/5 max framebuffer23:39
ShadowJKthat's not the point23:39
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DocScrutinizerso what else?23:40
shanttutime to flash n900 using ubuntu. to what folder do i move the image (bin) after flasher is installed? wiki does not assist me on this one.23:40
ShadowJKmoreover, DSS2 and/or SGX downscaling of 720p is likely crappier result than the same content in 480p23:40
ShadowJKsomehwere where you can find it23:40
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DocScrutinizershanttu: flasher -x -y -z /path/to/your/fiaco.bin23:41
shanttuDocScrutinizer: thanks23:41
DocScrutinizerfor a pattern, not for c&p ;-)23:42
pupnikShadowJK: wish we had dss2 scalable framebuffer23:42
ShadowJKhow do you think video is currently scaled?23:42
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pupnikhmm i see /dev/fb1, fb223:44
DocScrutinizerazilot: maybe you find an equivalent timezone and LANG settng?23:44
azilotyes, russia/kalinigrad23:44
ShadowJKOne is relevat for the display, and the other for tv out probably. Before starting X, the initscripts access /dev/fb directly to put up the nokia logo :P23:45
azilotwhere can i set decimal delimiter to dot instead coma?23:45
DocScrutinizerman locale23:46
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DocScrutinizererr, here I got ... sorry can't type that cyrillic, looks like Belarussia, all the way down in selector23:47
DocScrutinizer3rd last before Russia and Makedonia23:48
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DocScrutinizerright after the Greek things23:48
azilotand is there somethingi have Vietnam, Greek, Kipros (?), russia23:49
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ShadowJKhm, my list is like azilot's too23:49
azilotmaybe i have flashed wrong image?23:49
DocScrutinizerfirst boot wizard23:49
azilotwas same23:49
azilotusa, vietnam, ellada, kipros, russia23:50
shanttuDocScrutinizer: CMT flashed successfully. thanks for the assistance. That went smooth.23:50
DocScrutinizershanttu: yw23:50
azilotwill dpkg -reconfigure work on maemo?23:51
DocScrutinizerfsck, my cam doesn't start on door-open23:51
DocScrutinizer\o/ actually it segfaulr23:52
SpeedEvilMine did thart a bit ago23:52
aziloti had some time ago same thing23:52
SpeedEvilI removed mbarcode, and it worked23:52
azilotremoving fcam maybe helped23:53
SpeedEvilwhen I reinstalled23:53
azilotmy n900 fly after flashing )23:53
* DocScrutinizer blames cssu23:53
azilot(23:53:35) ***DocScrutinizer blames cssu23:53
aziloti had cssu and custom lens-cover launcher23:53
* SpeedEvil has not used cssu yet.23:54
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SpeedEvilI should23:54
azilotwwith flashlight mbarcode camera and mir translator23:54
azilotand all works23:54
azilotwith cssu23:54
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DocScrutinizeraaaah flashlight was last thing I used, maybe it's buggy23:54
azilotit`s very helpfull )23:54
SpeedEvilI want flashlight to auto-start on opening shutter with phone pointing down23:56
SpeedEvilI haven't gotten round to wodking out how to do it.23:56
azilotwhat is difference between uk, usa, global maemo images?23:56
DocScrutinizerfriggin camera still using flash on first photo after start, even when "flash: never"23:57

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