IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-05-02

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DocScrutinizergrrrr, suffers00:06
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keks-nFrom which of them I should get PCIMEM_BASE?00:25
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DocScrutinizer>> It's just you. is up. << :-S00:27
DocScrutinizerkeks-n: tried grep?00:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, looks fine to me00:29
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DocScrutinizerfriggin akamai geoip00:29
keks-nI've got this list from grep00:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: IP?00:29
MohammadAG has address
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DocScrutinizermmpf, same here00:30
DocScrutinizermeh, Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)00:31
mc_teoDocScrutinizer: works for me00:32
DocScrutinizerit's definitely timing out here, while garage and shit works00:32
DocScrutinizerbeen dog slow an hour ago, now it's completely dead00:33
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-01 23:06:01] <DocScrutinizer> grrrr, suffers00:33
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-01 22:51:27] <DocScrutinizer>
MohammadAGFacebook app name suggestions anyone?00:33
MohammadAGbesides facepalm00:34
DocScrutinizeror "please-take-my-data-and-keep-it"00:35
DocScrutinizerthe small tentacled one00:35
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mc_teoPinging [] with 32 bytes of data:00:37
mc_teoReply from bytes=32 time=277ms TTL=5100:37
DocScrutinizernice, but not related00:37
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mc_teo80.248.164.233 works too00:41
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: anyway check
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keks-nwtf. There is 2.6.35 kernel image for N900 in the Ubuntu repo01:07
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kcin1where can i get libplayback?01:16
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MohammadAGit's preinstalled01:28
MohammadAGkeks-n, so?01:28
MohammadAGMeeGo uses 2.6.3701:28
kcin1i do not have a n90001:29
kcin1can i download it somewhere01:29
kcin1i mean can i download libplayback somewhere01:30
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keks-n>>keks-n, so?01:30
keks-nWhy it's there? Who will use ubuntu on a such device?01:30
DocScrutinizerwho will use buntkuh on *any* device?!01:31
chxhaha so true i ditched it for Arch after five years01:32
keks-nHaters gonna hate -_-01:32
chxdude, Ubuntu worked hard on that01:33
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keks-nTheir Unity is useless even on desktop01:33
DocScrutinizerhonestly if I want a linux, I'm not going for one that reinvents shit to look more like redmond crap to please windows users01:33
derfSo, you're an xmonad user?01:34
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cityLightsMohammadAG: does pyQT offer gobject.timeout_add() ?01:34
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keks-n>>reinvents shit01:35
keks-nI'm using Cairo dock+AWN and they are located in the same place that Unity's dock is01:35
cityLightstelling a timer to callback a function after an amount of time?01:35
MohammadAGno, use QTimer isntead01:35
keks-nThey are much more useful than it01:35
keks-nBut the main idea is the same01:35
MohammadAGQTimer::singleShot(300, this, SLOT(mySlot())) in C++01:36
MohammadAGthat calls the slot once01:36
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cityLightsis it n pyqt?01:36
cityLightso ok01:37
MohammadAGwell, it should be easy to adapt01:39
cityLightsnot bad at all01:39
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cityLightsbut I am tired now01:39
cityLightsmust pick up tommorow01:39
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kcin1sorry for asking:so libplayback is not available from a repo?01:42
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bistongood evening. simple question. is there a way to ignore 'hash sum mismatch' errors ?01:47
bistoni've been getting it for the last week and i can't update my packages db01:47
bistonextras-devel repo is the one not getting updated, the most important one01:48
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bistoni tried adding with different IPs resolved from nslookup to /etc/hosts to switch servers, but it's not working either01:48
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GeneralAntillesThere's no way somebody can trademark "automagically"01:50
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bistonlol! somebody actually did that, i thought you were kidding01:53
bistonTuneUp, ain't this the TuneUp Utilities devs ?01:53
bistonah no, the album art thingy01:53
* GeneralAntilles needs to brush up on trademark law.01:55
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bistonMohammadAG are you here ?01:58
MohammadAGyeah, sup01:59
bistondo you have time for a quick question?01:59
MohammadAGsure :)01:59
bistonthey're not answering on #ubuntu, they're the wise guys lol01:59
bistoni've been having some trouble for the last week updating my n900 repos... hash sum mismatch errors. and i was thinking of ways to solve it. i found a vmware image of maemo that i can run on vmware on one of my dedicated servers and it updates perfectly with no errors every single time. is there a way i can use that hosted maemo image as a mirror on my device ?01:59
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bistonit's more of a debian/ubuntu question, but i shouldn't have mentioned the n900 :p02:00
MohammadAGhmm, you could use apt-mirror, but I've never used that :/02:00
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MohammadAGthen again, why are you getting hash sum errors?02:01
bistoni think it's my ISP02:01
bistonhaving some trouble with the connection02:01
bistoni tried using the IP to which resolves to on my dedicated server (it's a different IP)02:01
bistonbut it's not working either02:01
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bistonbut on the server it's working perfectly02:01
keks-nIf the problem is with your ISP, try to use VPN02:02
bistonVPN is kinda sucky on n900, i'm sure you know that already02:02
keks-nOr a ssh tunnel to your server02:02
bistonah yes, why not, ssh tunnel02:02
keks-n>>VPN is kinda sucky on n90002:03
keks-nI've watched Fox TV via vpn connection02:03
keks-nA bit laggy, but watchable02:03
bistoni don't know why but on my n900 i connect to a vpn, work online for about 5-10 minutes, then it suddenly disconnects, also an ISP problem i believe02:04
* biston lives in Lebanon02:04
bistonwe have the most primitive internet connection you could ever think of02:04
bistonlike, we just got A-DSL 3 years ago. still no broadband02:05
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keks-nLol, I moved from ADSL about two years ago when I moved from my hometown02:06
keks-nMost of people there was still using Dial-Up02:06
bistonlol! really?02:07
bistonit still exists ?02:07
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bistonwhat subscription did you have? do you remember how much you used to pay for it?02:07
keks-nPer-minute tarification -_-02:07
bistonthe A-DSL i mean, not the dial-up02:08
bistonyou said you moved 'from' ADSL, that can't be per-minute O_o02:08
keks-n128 bit/s02:08
keks-nAbout $40 per mouth02:08
bistonoh wow02:08
bistonwe're still much better here then02:09
bistonyou mean kbit btw :p02:09
keks-nBefore I've got ADSL in 2007 I was also using dial-up -_-02:09
bistoni pay 40$ for a 512, but with a limit of 4GB down and 4GB UP monthly02:09
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keks-nAt first it was 512 kb/s with a limit of 200 MB for $1002:10
bistonyou know i'm renting a dedicated server for 65$/month that has a 100Mb/s connection with unlimited bandwidth (from UK)02:10
bistonisn't that unfair ?02:10
keks-nWhat the temperature in your country most time of the year?02:11
bistonwell now it's spring, average is 2002:11
bistonin winter average is 1502:11
bistonin summer it goes up to 27-3002:11
bistonpretty nice weather02:12
pupnikn900 rocks the socks02:12
bistonbut those past 4-5 years in summer it reached like 36-37 average02:12
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keks-nLast summer we also had about 35-40. But there was also a lot of smoke02:13
bistonsmoke or smog?02:13
bistonO_o !02:14
keks-nI couldn't even see the ground from my window.highlight02:14
bistonwhere did smoke come from  lol!02:14
keks-nThe whole city was in that smoke02:14
bistonthat never happens over here02:14
keks-nIt was very hard to breeze02:14
bistonwe do have dust storms, but very rarely02:15
keks-nForest fires...02:15
bistonthat's very rare here too, we have no forests anymore :p02:15
bistonpeople are cutting off everything they can02:16
keks-nIt took about 1-1.5 mounths to extinguish it02:16
bistonwhy where do you live? you seem to have very large forests02:16
bistonrussia ?02:17
bistoni thought it was pretty cold and snowy in russa all around the year02:17
keks-nIt's true in the cities in the north02:17
bistonoh, you're more like central asia02:18
bistonmoderate weather02:18
bistonclose to ours, just without sea breeze02:18
keks-nIn such cities as Irkutsk it's 35-40 in the summer and -30-50 in the winter02:18
bistonwe'll be lucky if we get a -10 degrees in beirut02:19
bistonyou live up high in the mountains ?02:19
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keks-nNope, I've never lived in Irkutsk, my grandma is from there02:20
keks-nI live in the "central" (which is actually the east) russia02:20
keks-nHere is no any mountains02:20
bistonpretty cold weather in the winter for a low altitude city02:21
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bistoni forgot how SSH tunneling works :/02:31
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keks-nssh user@host -D port02:37
bistonyea, idk why i was using -L02:38
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bistoni'm off, goodnight02:51
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arvutsame here. nite nite02:52
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DocScrutinizer51rm -rf /bin/laden06:05
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RST38h(1) IN GENERAL- Any person who, in good faith and based on objectively reasonable suspicion, makes, or causes to be made, a voluntary report of covered activity to an authorized official shall be immune from civil liability under Federal, State, and local law for such report.09:23
RST38hAfter a spate of suicides last year, managers at Foxconn ordered new staff to sign pledges that they would not attempt to kill themselves, according to researchers... And they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages.09:25
* RST38h tells himself to stop =)09:26
RST38hAh wait, there is more: Osama bin Laden killed in Pakistan, Obama says. US intelligence led to military operation; US says it has custody of al-Qaida leader's body.09:27
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pupnik__who can make good icons for me11:08
AppiahI ca... oh GOOD icons11:09
CableTwitchYeah, when he said good ones, I hesitated there too.11:09
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cos^does anyone remember where password recovery form is hidden?11:30
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pupnik__and everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around11:38
chem|stcos^: enter wrong password the nextpage has a link11:38
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chem|stpupnik__: what kind of icons do you need11:38
cos^chem|st: nope, there is no link11:38
pupnik__chem|st: i'm not quite happy with my spell icons yet.  needs to fit in with style of existing game11:39
pupnik__think like wizardry 6 for DOS or dungeon keeper etc11:39
pupnik__except with 24bit color11:39
chem|stehrm there was wizardry 6? I stopped with 311:39
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chem|stcos^: it says something like Click ^here^ in the first paragraph11:41
chem|stand it does say it! now I need to recover my password to log back in again (just kidding)11:42
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cos^chem|st: nope, link to that page is not on the login page. it has only "Username or password was invalid.11:42
cos^Note to new users11:42
cos^If you just created your account in, try again in a few minutes.Thank you...."11:42
chem|stcos^: please read again ^facepalm11:43
chem|stcos^: ok I would have to be more specific11:43
cos^are accounts same as "You have not entered an email address that we recognize. "11:44
chem|stas garage is handling the account why didn't you just go back there and have a look?11:45
chem|stcos^: garage and talk is different11:45
chem|stif someone asks for maemo pwd I think of tmo11:45
cos^i have no clue which accounts are the related. there is _no_ recovery link on login page.11:45
chem|stcos^: as not is doing it11:46
chem|stcos^: HERE
chem| is actualy garage11:46
chem|sttalk.m.o is talk.m.o11:46
cos^it's not very good design that you need to go to irc and ask for the link every time you forget your passwd11:46
chem|stcos^: open a bugreport11:47
fluxcos^, one possible alternative: don't lose your passwords :)11:47
chem|stflux: +111:47
cos^flux: not an option :-)11:48
chem|stcos^: did it work for you now?11:48
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cos^chem|st: yep.. thanks11:48
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cityLightsdid anyone notify this odity: when opening the keyboard the screen fades and device is turned off11:49
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chem|stcos^: please confirm bug 1220511:53
povbotBug Password recovery link missing on maemo.org11:53
chem|stcityLights: nope sounds like a new feature11:54
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chem|stbug 12206 please someone confirm11:59
povbotBug invalid passwd page on register button11:59
cos^does use garage accounts?12:00
cos^i guess not12:02
chem|sthmm I think that is the third (but last account)12:03
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pupnik  Petula Clark - 1964 - Downtown12:36
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cityLightsjust before I start learning qt14:20
cityLightscan any one pls help me with using gobject.timeout_add() and then calling it twice?14:21
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chem|stis that what you are after?14:25
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cityLightsmin , thanks14:25
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macmaNis the n900 built in gps a piece of crap?14:59
macmaNoffline navigation is key for me, i cant seem to get a fix at all while my girl's piece of crap n79 gets a fix in 5 seconds14:59
macmaNno agps no nothing14:59
andre__yes, for some people gps in the n900 does not work well.15:00
RST38hfor most people15:00
hajit works for me.. it just needs some time to connect15:00
Appiahare you using ovi gps?15:00
macmaNi just read about gpskinni15:00
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macmaNAppiah: just tried with location widget to start15:00
macmaNabout to install that now, see what that says15:00
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AppiahI thought the widget used the ovi maps gps15:01
hajwhen i was on vacation in Norway I just keept GPSjinny running so that it always had a GPS connection.. and used Sygic when I needed navigation.. :)15:01
hajjinni yes..15:01
macmaNright, i just downloaded sygic too15:01
macmaNnot sure i understand the pricing policy yet15:01
hajAlso I had a car charger, so the power usage of the GPS was not a problem...15:02
macmaNthe best deal is to take that 25% coupon and get 29.99€ price with it?15:02
hajmacmaN: if the GPS has been off for some time it does need some minutes to get a connection if you can't use a data connection..15:02
macmaNhow does the n79 get the connection so fast regardless15:03
chem|stmacmaN: nope you are doing something wrong or do not understand how it works15:03
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DocScrutinizerAGPS N900 works like a charm here. It's a known prerequisite to have a working SIM15:03
chem|stmacmaN: without "A" normal gps takes up to 12 minutes to get a fix! that isn't a bug that's how it works15:04
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chem|stpupnik: don't yell at me!15:05
DocScrutinizerNB N900 gps chipset is coupled to the BB5 RAPUYAMA modem chip and handled by the modem FW. It's quite likely this part of software doesn't assume you ever operate the modem&gps combo without a SIM inserted15:06
DocScrutinizeralso NB my tests seem to indicate you don't even need any connectivity like GPRS/other_data, just a SIM that books in to a network seems to suffice15:07
chem|stmacmaN: the n79 might be so fast as it had a fix at a nearby location not long ago15:07
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SpeedEvilHas anyone written a plugin for mbarcode in shell?15:13
DocScrutinizerMy educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the required remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, carrier can enable your GPS without you even noticing)15:14
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infobotDocScrutinizer meant: My educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the mandatory remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, ...15:14
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DocScrutinizer(that's a fact...) that's why the GPS chip is connected to modem rather than APE15:15
DocScrutinizerso it makes sense you need a SIM to get instant GPS15:16
SpeedEvilI suspect it's more the modem has custom dirmwarre designed for driving the GPS15:16
SpeedEvilThe GPS will need a non-trivial firmware blob15:17
SpeedEviland use lots of host CPUI15:17
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DocScrutinizerbut the design is due to regulatory requirements, which actually say 911 MUST be able to get the GPS position of any phone equipped with GPS15:18
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DocScrutinizereven for so called "roechel-anrufe" where the caller isn't able to answer or actively enable GPS position transmission15:20
DocScrutinizerso this is part of GSM specs and I guess the supl support fits in there seamlessly15:21
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DocScrutinizerhidden transparent supl support OTA GSM15:23
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DocScrutinizeras compared to the supl setting for GPS in maemo settings which tries to implement that via normal internet connectivity15:24
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DocScrutinizerfor the rare cases where you got no carrier connection at all or a carrier that does NOT support the transparent method, but still yur device is able to access internet, e.g via WLAN15:25
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DocScrutinizerof course a BTS based 'supl' function is waaay easier and better, as the BTS knows where you are, and just needs to tell your GPS chipset a few mostly static data15:27
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DocScrutinizerbottom line: my N900 GPS usually gets a fix in <10s, when SIM inserted. Even indoors15:30
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arvutg'aftern00n #maemo15:32
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DocScrutinizerno sybian device here, so I have to ask: on e.g. a N97, can you even boot the phone and esp can you enable GPS, without SIM inserted?15:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer: sybian, eh15:37
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* GeneralAntilles cackles
DocScrutinizerfriggin hungarians15:43
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DocScrutinizerfirst hey changed their own country to a proto-dictatorship, now they immediately after that try to expand that shit to whole europe15:44
chem|stgoing nuts again15:46
DocScrutinizerit's unbearable Hungary has president seat of EU while they abolish freedom of speech and democracy at large in their own country15:46
chem|st"there'll be dragons"15:46
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billmaniaDocScrutinizer: chem|st: To help me understand your backgrounds, in which countries are you? I'm in the US.15:48
billmaniaAnd good morning.15:48
DocScrutinizerhonestly I think if they'd apply right now, Hungary had less chances to become member of EU than Turkey15:48
DocScrutinizerbillmania: I have an ambivalent relation to Germany15:49
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: Some of my good friends are German. :-D15:49
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Echo-MohammadAG I'm stuck in multiboot...can you help me?15:55
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Echo-I reflashed my device and installed multiboot but I forgot to install the item files15:55
Echo-and pressing 0 gives me an error15:56
DocScrutinizeryou're screwed. I guess it's bootlooping now15:56
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DocScrutinizerand do it fast, as long as your battery is sufficiently charged15:57
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DocScrutinizerthen better stay away from multiboot15:58
Echo-I can reload battery that isn't the problem15:58
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Echo-charger keeps blinking15:58
DocScrutinizerok then15:58
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Echo-stupid thing is I see the loading dots and then it goes away :<15:59
DocScrutinizerand charger keeps blinking nevertheless, the yellow LED?15:59
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jacekowskiit's probably not starting bme16:01
jacekowskiso charging started by nolo isn't terminated16:01
Echo-fixed it I think16:04
Echo-got it fixed16:04
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Echo-downloadI downloaded the firmware .bin16:05
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Echo-then did flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R16:05
Echo-and 0 worked again16:05
Echo-and I think only the date got lost16:06
Echo-yep only date got lost :)16:06
Echo-MohammadAG I got it fixed so nvm my highlight16:06
GAN900DocScrutinizer, it's hardly surprising. I still can't believe you guys gave up that much power to the EU.16:07
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: I have a hard time as well to appreciate all the aspects of EU, though I once been in sympathy with the basic idea16:11
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DocScrutinizerit's much like the united states of Europe, but obviously poorly designed16:12
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DocScrutinizeryou could as well argue there's way too much power left with the particular country's gvmt16:13
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DocScrutinizerimagine each of the 52(?) states of US had their own military and foreign affairs department16:14
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alonlevyare there newer gtk and glib packages available for maemo5? specifically I need 2.22 glib and 2.18 gtk+16:15
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pupnikbin laden dead: does that mean obama will stop killing pakistanis?
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arvutpupnik: atleast they claim he is.. has any pictures of his corpse been revealed?16:31
SpeedEvilAnyone know if mbarcode can be made to simply save a list of scanned codes?16:32
arvutthey say navy seals shot him and "burried him in the sea". why would they do that if not to mislead a possible capture?16:32
GAN900pupnik, maybe the TSA will stop molesting children?16:32
pupnikcool!  we can stop doing all that stupid stuff!16:33
Veggenarvut: well. they might not create a holy place for muslim terrorists to gather?16:33
GAN900Much like that birth certificate idiocy, this is just another headline to distract from real issues.16:33
GAN900Like out-of-control, Constitution-shredding government.16:33
SpeedEvilGAN900: But Osama was in fact French!16:34
arvutVeggen: true. but why not atleast show some evidence? a bloodbath in a mansion isnt really proof.16:34
Veggenmmm, yah. Guess we'll see in the coming days.16:34
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GAN900arvut, think they've got DNA.16:34
CorsacVeggen: if you make a holy place for terrorists to gather you can arrest them directly!16:35
Veggenthey claim they have, at least.16:35
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arvutfor all we know it could have been a raid to capture him and in order to do so, kill every one else. leaving no witness16:35
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GAN900arvut, I'd assume they were probably shooting back.16:35
arvutGAN900: words are still words ;)16:35
GAN900You usually tend to die when you do that to US soldiers.16:35
SpeedEvilThe key thing is - does he have a Casio watch of mass destruction.16:35
GAN900arvut, same goes for you. ;)16:36
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GAN900Either way, who really cares?16:36
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GAN900There are clearly more important issues on the board.16:36
arvutindeed, I'm only speculating if this is what it seems16:36
SpeedEvilFor example - will the meego phone be released.16:36
pupniki'd like to know whether it will have keyboard or not16:37
arvutlol yeah, I'm mostly suprised over the fact that ppl all over the world trust the media to such degree that they celebrate the 'death' of this guy16:37
GAN900SpeedEvil, no.16:38
pupnikor trust the pentagon, whom they're quoting16:38
SpeedEvilarvut: You think the media is inaccurately reporting Obamas statement?16:38
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GAN900arvut, there are far more unsettling examples of that trust demonstrated every day.16:38
SpeedEvilThat's kinda extreme.16:38
arvutSpeedEvil: I think its worth questioning. the media in general is a great tool to manipulate the masses16:39
jacekowskiarvut: thing is that people that invaded iraq are not better than terrorists ( and that's assuming that terrorists were from iraq )16:39
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arvutjacekowski: yeah, I'm rather neutral to the whole terrorist war thing.16:40
arvutI do like to question everything tho.16:40
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jacekowskii'm really surprised that there was no bombs exploding in england and france and wherever because of libya invasion16:40
DocScrutinizerhonestly, who with a brain gives a F*?16:41
jacekowskiyou would expect them to fight back using everything they can16:41
GAN900jacekowski, yes, normal every day people doing their jobs are terrorists.16:41
GAN900Please GTFO with your moral relativism.16:42
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: Gaddafi wasn't exactly a friend of Al Qaida I guess16:42
arvutGAN900: calm down now. no need to be rude.16:42
GAN900jacekowski, the average grunt isn't spending his time hiding behind civilians. :)16:42
GAN900arvut, tell that to jacekowski. :)16:43
jacekowskiGAN900: no i meant, if somebody would invade my country i would try to defend it using whatever means i have16:43
DocScrutinizerwho's invading Libya?16:43
jacekowskiand england16:43
jacekowskiand couple other countries16:43
DocScrutinizerinvasion of Iraq was BS16:43
GAN900USA: World Police16:44
* GAN900 doesn't know how we fell into that trap.16:44
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GAN900George Washington warned against that idiocy 200 years ago.16:44
arvutGAN900: using acronyms like that one isn't actually polite tho ;)16:45
GAN900"Oh, you folks want to kill each other over there? Well, have fun with that."16:45
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Corsacjacekowski: not sure you really can compare irak and libya16:45
jacekowskii'm surprised that usa didn't bother to plant some fake biological weapons in iraq just for good PR16:46
* DocScrutinizer is calling for chanops16:46
jacekowskithey just admited that there was nothing there and whole invasion was pointless16:46
jacekowskiand everybody accepted it like that16:46
DocScrutinizeryeah, that moron Bush even made jokes about it in his crappy oval office video16:47
RST38hGAN: BTW, have you got obligatory lulz from noticing how they "took Bin Laden's body to Afghanistan and gave it a proper Islamic burial in the sea"? =)16:47
GAN900jacekowski, they didn't need to.16:47
GAN900RST38h, dunno why they bothered with any of that nonsense.16:48
RST38hGAN: To give us all lulz of course. Check out .AF on the Googlemaps, you will see what I mean16:48
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arvutjacekowski: its all about the money ;)16:48
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: after that other moron lieing to the world about US intelligence findings about those lorries with chemical weapon labs, there's nothing more left over to do for good PR :-P16:49
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GAN900RST38h, yeah, yeah. :P16:49
jacekowskiarvut: but when you attack other country saying that there is nuclear/biological/chemical/whatever weapon and then couple years later you announce that there was nothing there16:50
ruskiewhen did this become ##politics?16:50
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jacekowskiarvut: and nobody has a problem with USA destroying a country16:50
GAN900ruskie, when Maemo died.16:50
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DocScrutinizerruskie: ack16:51
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DocScrutinizerGENERAL NOTICE: users complained about off-topic16:51
CorsacRST38h: who said the body was taken to .af?16:51
Corsacyeah, sorry16:51
RST38hGAN: Personally, if I were Obama or Gates, I would much prefer to have Osama mounted and placed somewhere in a Pentagon corridor16:52
DocScrutinizergeneral policy: nothing is off-topic until a single complaint is uttered16:52
RST38hDoc: I would like to complain about ruskie being offtopic by asking when it has become politics16:53
arvutjacekowski: you know that's not true.16:53
DocScrutinizerso please everybody take it to #politics or wherever you like now16:53
cityLightsbtw, reading the logs I see it is common for one person to ask about a certain subject then a different person asking here regarding the same subject16:58
cityLightswhich mean I need to read this more16:59
DocScrutinizercityLights: yeah, searching chanlogs prior to asking is a recommended best practice16:59
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cityLightsnot to stire up more politics, but will another maemo device will ever be sold?17:02
cityLightsaccording to yesterday , nokia has moved to WP7 and some maemo stuff was joined to meego17:03
cityLightsI read some meego wiki pages17:03
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RST38hHere, Doc, you have killed all the conversation.17:05
GAN900cityLights, old news.17:05
GAN900cityLights, MeeGo is effectively dead at Nokia, possibly one more device coming. Likely with little to no support.17:05
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RST38hGAN: A Harmattan device, not a Meego one.17:06
cityLightsok, so I still need to save up for a new device17:06
cityLightsdid all of the meamo code go in to the meego team?17:07
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GAN900Most of it went in the trash.17:07
cityLightsor did they SAW maemo and still used the stuff they had17:07
cityLightsthis what I thought17:07
GAN900MeeGo is 95% Moblin.17:07
cityLightsat least according to the wiki17:08
cityLightsand I guess that  Moblin eats more cpu - so intel can keep selling atoms17:08
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cityLightsso I am now writing code for an os with no future17:08
pupnikany foss OS has more future than any non-free one17:09
DocScrutinizerRST38h: shall I auto-forward every one to #politics? ;-D17:10
DocScrutinizeror better yet: change /topic and auto-forward those complaining to #real-maemo17:10
cityLightsno I will behave now17:11
DocScrutinizercityLights: you're perfectly on topic. No problems :-)17:11
RST38hDoc: Dunno, I would say you should probably be less formal in offtopic detection and removal17:11
RST38hDoc: Or we won't have much to talk about:)17:12
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I act most formally when complaints come in. NB I've been actively participating in that rather OT debate17:12
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DocScrutinizerthere's in fact no other unbiased way to handle that issue17:13
RST38hDoc: Ah,not laying any blame, just making a sad statistical observation about the overall chat traffic :)17:15
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pupniki'm being a bit lame sorry17:17
pupnikhow many mA current draw should an online game take max :)17:17
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DocScrutinizeras few as possible17:18
pupnikpcsx takes about 220mA (without backlight)17:18
DocScrutinizernot too bad17:18
pupnikwith backlight 330 in my kitchen17:18
Echo-btw you guys remember how to autoload oc on startup?17:19
DocScrutinizerlet's put it that way: if the batery is empty before you managed to save a new level, then your users probably won'tlike that17:19
DocScrutinizerEcho-: yes, but we won't tell, as OCing is a much deprecated and discourraged topic and thing to do here17:20
Echo-I have used Oc since the beginning17:20
DocScrutinizerthe few ones that really understand the implications of OC won't ask that question17:20
infobotfrom memory, omap-oc is  read that!17:21
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Echo-DocScrutinizer I remember how to do it17:26
Echo-I remember now17:26
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arvuthow would I clear the browsing history in the maemo browser?17:37
arvuton a n900 that is17:37
pupnikshould be able to tell browser 'clear browsing history'17:37
SpeedEvil!seen lardman17:39
arvutpupnik: in the terminal? I can't seem to find the option to do it when I start it17:39
SpeedEvil~see lardman17:39
* infobot whispers to lardman "You didn't see anything...."17:39
SpeedEvil~seen lardman17:39
pupnikarvut: i wwas thinking that the software hsould be voice-driven as an option17:39
infobotlardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 23h 13m 8s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'.17:39
pupnikarvut: can i help you use google? :)17:40
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arvutpupnik, sure go ahead google 4 me ;P17:49
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* GAN900 notes this site is completely unreadable on a mobile device:
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RST38hGAN: Fun, absolute fun17:59
DocScrutinizermgedmin: ping17:59
mgedminDocScrutinizer, ?17:59
DocScrutinizermgedmin: how's about adding a date range for search on irclogs18:00
DocScrutinizer0 matches in 1646 log files with 4059388 lines (59.6 seconds).18:00
mgedmingreat idea!18:00
mgedminjust send me a patch :)18:00
DocScrutinizerthough I know I'm interested only in last 6 months18:00
mgedminyeah, limiting searches to last N days by default was on my to-do list for a long time...18:01
DocScrutinizerjust have a numeric textinput with a default, that can get overridden by user18:01
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DocScrutinizerinfobot: omap-oc also is and this
infobotI think you lost me on that one, DocScrutinizer18:08
DocScrutinizerinfobot: omap-oc is also and this
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay18:08
infobotomap-oc is, like,  read that!, or and this
DocScrutinizermeh, but ... meh18:08
SpeedEvilCan anyione point me to a web service that I can call with http://what.ever/whatever/%s - and it will log the %s's?18:10
dangergrrlwhat player engines do we have accel on?18:10
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dangergrrli saw a threaid that said not vlc but miro is gstreamer based18:13
dangergrrli'm about to be on the road and my video subs would be very nice to have on n90018:13
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joppuvlc is horrendous18:16
joppumiro is based on vlc18:16
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joppugstreamer is the only player with hardware acceleration afaik18:16
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meceis gstreamer a "player" in the same sense vlc is?18:18
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joppugstreamer = nokia stock player18:19
joppuit's the backend or whatever18:19
joppujust like libvlc is the backend of vlc18:20
SpeedEvilSome gstreamer formats are hardware accellerated18:20
joppu(ok, it's not comparable)18:20
joppuyeah, up to basic profiles of h.26418:20
dangergrrli actually can code if needed at least i should be able to port something, that's relatively easy; with miro the big issue would be the ram consumed while torrenting18:22
cityLightsin regard to gobject.timeout_add i need another kind of help18:22
dangergrrland i just now ran miro on a console and it is actually gstreamer based that's why i asked18:22
dangergrrlafaik gstreamer is just a library like libvlc18:23
cityLightsmy problem is: I need to use timeout_add twise18:23
infobotcityLights meant: my problem is: I need to use timeout_add twice18:23
dangergrrland it only keeps one?18:23
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cityLightsright - it goes nuts18:23
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cityLightsmy main loop is query wheh the next meeting is on and waking up to it18:24
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cityLightsbut then I must return False to kill that timer18:24
cityLightsand I want to call it again with a diffrent duration18:25
DocScrutinizerman gst-launch18:25
dangergrrlin fact i think utsl is apropriate18:25
dangergrrluse the source, luke18:25
cityLights~google utsl18:26
cityLightswhat is utsl?18:26
dangergrrlread the library source18:27
dangergrrlit is "use the source luke"18:27
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dangergrrlancient refrain from comp.unix.wizards; almost as common as rtfm18:27
DocScrutinizerapropos gstreamer18:27
infobotrumour has it, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?).  Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.18:28
cityLightsdangergrrl: please help me with a URL its hard for me to find the right source18:28
dangergrrlthis is gtk?18:28 ?18:29
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dangergrrlgtk source last i read it wasn't that difficult18:29
timeless_webchatsp3000: ping18:29
cityLightsI use gobject in python18:29
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dangergrrlso it's gobject.timeout_add?18:30
DocScrutinizerOla' timeless_webchat18:31
cityLightsI am at and dont know what to look at18:31
dangergrrli don't know python syntax :) so i know i will hate it if i look at miro source :)18:31
dangergrrltry google with that as site: and the syntax for the function definition in python18:32
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: python syntax is made to be easy18:32
dangergrrlwhitespace sensitivity is all i have heard18:32
dangergrrlwhich is noneasy18:32
DocScrutinizeryour code HAS to be pretty ;-P18:32
* timeless_webchat wouldn't go that far...18:32
dangergrrli don't my code to break if i edit it with vi in a hurry and hit tab18:32
DocScrutinizersure, I hate it as well18:33
dangergrrlemacs wouldn't break it18:33
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timeless_webchatdangergrrl: that's why you should have precommit checks to ensure your code compiles...18:33
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DocScrutinizercompiled python ? :-P18:33
dangergrrlanyhow you know the syntax for the function definition cityLights is looking for?18:34
dangergrrlshould be able to read the code and see why it only is taking one timeout18:35
dangergrrlbut fixing it could involve the signal handler having to schedule the next timeout after the first elapses18:36
DocScrutinizersure, a timer object oneshot won't magically convert to a ticking one18:37
dangergrrli think the posix sleep signal timer is oneshot18:37
dangergrrlthat's not a python or library problem, per se it is just part of *nix18:38
DocScrutinizerwhy don't you use simple python sleep or some other more generic python timer thing18:38
pupniksomebody else needs to do this game event loop18:38
pupniki can't make it go 4 ticks a second, except also go when i press a key18:38
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dangergrrlit's 50F on may 2 in texas, wierd18:39
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DocScrutinizerumm, that's low?18:39
dangergrrlanyhow i know i can get democracy now on the road, they have torrents on their www daily18:39
dangergrrlyes, it was 90f a few days ago18:40
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dangergrrltexas is not supposed to require a jacket in may except on a motorcycle18:40
* DocScrutinizer ponders whether to walk to bathroom where the F/C alcohol thermometer hangs, or rather google-convert, or simply ignore the issue18:41
GAN900DocScrutinizer, I'm currently sitting at around 86°F right now. :P18:41
dangergrrlbut i like hak5 and some other shows i get on miro and i don't know all their www sites18:41
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dangergrrl37.6 is 100f i think18:41
GAN900So, 50 is around 9-11?18:42
dangergrrli'm sorry i'm a damned american using imperial units :(18:42
dangergrrlthat's cold for the subtropics18:43
GAN900dangergrrl, take pride in befulding those silly Europeans. :P18:43
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dangergrrli'm just glad we got the scapegoat for 9/1118:44
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dangergrrlmaybe the us can stop the drone attacks now18:45
GAN900Or stop the TSA molesting kids at the airport18:45
GAN900and open up the borders.18:46
DocScrutinizer~convert 50F to C18:46
infobot50F cannot be converted to C: conformability error18:46
DocScrutinizer~convert 50W to J/s18:46
infobot50W is approximately 50 J/s18:46
GAN900~convert 50 fahrenheit to celcius18:47
infobot50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit'18:47
GAN900~convert 50f to celcius18:47
infobot50f cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'celcius'18:47
Robot101DocScrutinizer: its about 10 :P18:47
GAN900~convert 50f to k18:47
infobot50f cannot be converted to k: conformability error18:47
GAN900Useless plugin18:48
Robot101probably thinks its farads18:48
DocScrutinizero/ Robot10118:48
RST38h~convert 50 fahrenheit to celsius18:49
infobot50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit'18:49
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RST38h~convert 50f to celsius18:49
infobot50f cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'celsius'18:49
DocScrutinizerbeen there done that18:49
dangergrrlare farads conformant to joules per4 second?18:49
DocScrutinizer~+help convert18:50
infobot   Desc: Convert from one unit to another18:50
infobot  Usage: convert [number] <units> to <units>18:50
infobotExample: convert 55 degF to degC18:50
infobotExample: convert 60 mph to kph18:50
infobotExample: convert 60 miles per hour to km/hour18:50
infobotExample: convert gallons to cm^318:50
DocScrutinizer~convert 55 degF to degC18:50
infobot55 degF is approximately 30.5556 degC18:50
DocScrutinizerdamn WUT??18:50
dangergrrl~convert 90 degF to degC18:50
infobot90 degF is approximately 50 degC18:50
dangergrrlno way18:50
GAN900~convert 32 degF to degC18:51
infobot32 degF is approximately 17.7778 degC18:51
dangergrrl~convert -40 degF to degC18:51
infobot-40 degF cannot be converted to degC: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']18:51
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(18:52
dangergrrl-40 is -40 on both F and C18:52
DocScrutinizer~convert -50W to J7s18:53
infobot-50W cannot be converted to J7s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']18:53
DocScrutinizer~convert -50W to J/s18:53
infobot-50W cannot be converted to J/s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']18:53
DocScrutinizer~convert 50W to J/s18:53
infobot50W is approximately 50 J/s18:53
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* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.18:53
dangergrrl~g -40 f to c18:54
RST38h~convert 0N to grams18:54
infobot0N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error18:54
dangergrrloh well18:54
RST38h~convert 1N to grams18:54
infobot1N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error18:54
DocScrutinizer~die ~convert 1N to p18:54
* infobot murders ~convert 1N to p, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...18:54
dangergrrlnewtons really are nonconformant to grams18:54
DocScrutinizer~convert 1N to p18:55
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infobot1N cannot be converted to p: conformability error18:55
DocScrutinizer~convert 1N to Pond18:55
infobot1N cannot be converted to Pond: Unknown unit 'Pond'18:55
RST38h~convert 1 newton to pound18:55
infobot1 newton cannot be converted to pound: conformability error18:55
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jacekowski~convert 1N to Pound18:55
infobot1N cannot be converted to Pound: Unknown unit 'Pound'18:55
jacekowski~convert 1N to lbf18:55
infobot1N is approximately 0.224809 lbf18:55
Corsac~convert 1angstrom to lightyear18:55
dangergrrl~convert 1 newton to poundsforce18:55
infobot1angstrom is approximately 1.057e-26 lightyear18:55
infobot1 newton cannot be converted to poundsforce: Unknown unit 'poundsforce'18:55
RST38h~convert 0hz to meters18:56
infobot0hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error18:56
RST38h~convert 45 ghz to millimeters18:56
infobot45 ghz cannot be converted to millimeters: Unknown unit 'ghz'18:56
RST38h~convert 45000 hz to meters18:56
infobot45000 hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error18:56
DocScrutinizerRST38h: that makes no sense18:56
dangergrrli know what he is asking18:57
RST38hstupid bot, can't evenbe crashed properly18:57
dangergrrlhe is asking wrong18:57
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Jartzayeah. he wants to know the wavelength18:57
dangergrrlunits can convert hz to wavelength if you give it the right input i think18:57
RST38hDoc: makes perfect sense. choose a conversion that involves k/x then give the dummy x==018:57
jacekowskiyou need velocity as well18:57
RST38hjacekowski: no.18:58
RST38hc is implied18:58
DocScrutinizerwhich one?18:58
DocScrutinizerin vacuum, in water?18:58
jacekowskiRST38h: why it is?18:58
RST38h~convert 45000 hz to wavelength18:58
Corsacthere's only one C18:58
infobot45000 hz cannot be converted to wavelength: Unknown unit 'wavelength'18:58
jacekowskiRST38h: it may be sound wavelenght18:58
jacekowskiRST38h: not electromagnetic wavelenght18:58
RST38hjacek: it may be, but not implied18:58
dangergrrlto humans C is implied18:59
RST38hsmall c18:59
RST38hbig C stands for different things18:59
Corsacyes, sorry18:59
dangergrrlit's 3esomething18:59
DocScrutinizeraka Coulomb18:59
RST38h3e8 m/s19:00
DocScrutinizer~convert 0 degC to degF19:00
infobot0 degC is approximately 0 degF19:00
DocScrutinizer~convert 1 degC to degF19:01
infobot1 degC is approximately 1.8 degF19:01
RST38hstupid, stupid bot. have to teach it BSD fortune cooke database instead19:01
dangergrrlit's off by 32 there19:01
infobotfrom memory, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux.  Packages are in OZ and lets you use fortune over the web.19:01
DocScrutinizerwell, I guess Tim will be interested...19:02
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dangergrrli need food19:03
chem|stdangergrrl: go hunting!19:04
dangergrrlblue valkyrie needs food badly19:04
dangergrrlwill sinistar run on n900?19:05
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RST38husing MAME or something19:07
dangergrrli hate the game but love the sound19:09
dangergrrlit's too hard19:09
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dangergrrldon't shoot the food!19:09
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Wissoi need help!!!19:14
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Wissoanyone around19:14
Sicelo_of course :P19:15
Wissomy n900 died19:16
Wissocant flash it19:16
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Wissoand cant find the hw id to cold flash it19:16
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TronicWisso: Battery charged?19:18
Sicelo_19:17 < Wisso> cant flash it19:18
Wissobattery fully charged on another n90019:19
Sicelo_what error is returned when you try to?19:19
TronicSicelo_: Install ntpd.19:19
Wissowhen i connect the usb cable to makes a sound that its connected then another sound that its disconnected19:19
Sicelo_Tronic: ?19:19
TronicSicelo_: Your RTC is roughly one minute off.19:19
Wissothe flasher keeps waiting19:20
Sicelo_thanks Tronic :P19:20
Sicelo_hmm, now i remember, i'm connected from a remote shell19:21
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Wissoi did flash n900s many times b4 but this time its different i dont c anything on screen19:22
viszthere seems to be quite a few spotify clients for the n900. any recommendations?19:22
TronicWisso: Possibly broken USB connector?19:22
Wissoit works perfectly on the other n90019:22
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TronicWisso: This is a common problem with N900 (the connector is a SMD part that detaches from the circuit board) and often it can be partially broken before detaching entirely.19:23
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WissoTronic: this doesnt mean that the phone screen doesnt show anything when i press U connect the usb cable and put on the battery... i dont c the usb icon or the nokia logo19:24
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cityLightsdangergrrl: I think its my own problem19:24
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cityLightsI need to design it to close one loop before taking another sleep19:24
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Wissoi want to cold flash it but cant find the hw id anywhere19:25
Wissoit just says Type:RX-51 made in korea...IMEI...code..FCC ID and IC19:26
Wissono hw id19:26
dangergrrlcityLights: sleep is oneshot you need at least a linked list in the wakeup to start the next one19:27
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dangergrrlWisso: the imei is what you need for the nokia firmware download site iirc19:28
cityLightslet me describe my issue19:29
Wissodangergrrl: i know that, i have the latest bin file19:29
Wissoi need the hw id19:29
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cityLightsI want to sleep acroding to a duration a calculate19:29
cityLightsbut if I get a dbus signal I want to react then reset the sleep19:29
cityLightsshouldnt I use the gobject.timeout_add?19:30
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Wissono one can help? :s19:39
dangergrrli have no clue; i needed the imei to get the bin file and needed no hw id for flasher19:41
Sicelo_perhaps u need to explain what u need the hw id for :/19:42
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Wissoto cold flash the phone19:42
infobotflashing is probably
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, coldflash is and next ~200 posts, or
Wissoi memorized that page19:43
pupnik"We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops" - Obama... wtf?19:44
Sicelo_and have scoured the logs Wisso ?19:44
RST38hpupnik: no big deal, just automatic excuse generator getting looped19:45
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Wissoreading the logs now19:45
pupnikRST38h: i guess the art of the 'debate' is to present that argument in seperate sentences, so people who read the first part don't remember it by the time they got to the second part?19:46
Wissosudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 <<=-- where do i find the hw id thats what im looking for19:46
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RST38hpupnik: it is not a debate19:47
RST38hpupnik: "debate" assumes that there is more than one side and each side has a voice.19:47
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Wissojohnx felbutss, at any point in the past, have you walked under a ladder, crossed the path of a black cat or perhaps been cursed or hexed in any way?20:02
Wissothats the solution i found in the logs20:02
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Sicelo_good... afaik all those are just superstitions :P20:04
DocScrutinizerWisso: what makes you think you need to coldflash the N900? that's no standard procedure and quite usually not needed20:05
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WissoDocScrutinizer when using the standard procedures the phone shows nothing on screen no usb logo no nokia logo nothing at all20:06
Wissoand the flasher keeps waiting20:07
DocScrutinizerhmm, valid point20:07
Wissonow i tried the cold flashing worked with errors20:07
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WissoUsing serial port usb20:07
DocScrutinizerplease check your syslog on PC, about what USB devices appear there when you plug in powered-down N90020:07
WissoSuitable USB device not found, waiting.20:07
WissoUSB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x020:07
WissoWaiting for ASIC id...20:07
WissoGot 69 bytes.20:07
WissoASIC ID:20:07
Wisso05 01 05 01 34 30 07 57  13 02 01 00 12 15 01 1b20:07
Wisso4f 8e 27 45 5c 1b a5 df  e5 5a af 24 51 31 e1 0720:07
Wisso3f f5 75 14 15 01 87 3b  4d cd ca f5 44 4d 24 ec20:07
Wissob2 ac 95 53 88 41 4f ab  cd 66 15 09 01 f7 48 8f20:07
Wisso28 a0 27 e5 b320:07
WissoSending 2nd image (zu bytes)... done.20:07
WissoSending ping... usb_bulk_read: No error20:07
RST38hWhy are you posting this here?20:08
DocScrutinizerpasting limited to 3 lines20:08
Wissohad no clue20:08
Wissoim lost guys i really need help :(20:08
Wissoreally sorry20:08
Arkenoidamn my n900 went crazy20:08
Arkenoiit asks me which internet connection to use20:08
Arkenoiserveral times20:08
dangergrrlthry do that20:09
RST38hProbably failing to connect20:09
Arkenoiand if i give no attention to it, it asks me that many times according to time passed20:09
Arkenoiso i have to tap the screen until it goes away20:09
ArkenoiMANY times20:09
dangergrrlsomething failed to connect and it tries many times and queue's the requests20:09
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dangergrrlit's annoying :)20:10
Arkenoiwhy the fsck does it keep stacking unsatisfied requests?20:10
Arkenoiplain stupid20:10
Arkenoireminds me of firefox modal dialog20:10
Arkenoithe most sucking and user-phobic software ever seen20:10
dangergrrli haven't looked but someone said that's nonfixable (ie non open) code20:10
dangergrrlif you ssh in and kill the process it stops all of them20:11
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dangergrrlof course you probably have not started sshd20:12
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SpeedEvilRandom - is anyone aware of any more polished iris recognition code than
SpeedEvilIdeally I'd like something suitable for dropping into a PC staring at a camera, and unlocs the door whenever it sees the right iris.20:19
SpeedEvil(or left iris)20:19
RST38his 1/50 miss probability ok?20:19
SpeedEvilIf you mean a false negatrive rate - yes20:20
RST38hfalse positive20:20
SpeedEvilWhat code do you refer to?20:20
RST38hafaik, it refers to irises (irii?) themselves20:20
SpeedEvilNo way.20:21
RST38ha moment, let me check20:21
SpeedEvilThe Iris is actually stupidly unique.20:21
SpeedEvilIf you do it right - and treat it like a 2d barcode20:21
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RST38hno, can't find that source :(20:22
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DocScrutinizerWisso: please check your PC's syslog for entries like
SpeedEvilI have - somewhere the paper I got from the author of the technique, way back in the day.20:23
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DocScrutinizerWisso: showing up the very moment you plug in a powered down N90020:24
DocScrutinizerWisso: Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom (for coldflash); Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) == NOLO loaded successfully (no need to flash it via coldflash);  Product: N900 (Storage Mode) == linux system aka maemo5 booted and your system entering mass storage mode20:27
keriothe last one could be pc-suite mode too20:29
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Wissoits showing nothing20:32
Wissowindows makes a sound that usb is connected20:32
Wissothen makes a sound that a usb is disconnected20:33
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SpeedEvilWisso: Hav eyou tried swapping the cable?20:33
Wissoi tried the cable on another phone20:33
Wissothe product id is the hw id?20:35
DocScrutinizerWisso: when there's *nothing* then you got a real problem20:36
DocScrutinizeror doing sth wrong on watching your syslog20:36
Wissowhere do i find the syslog under windows :o20:36
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DocScrutinizerWisso: the >>Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom<< always has to show up20:37
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DocScrutinizerand sorry, I dunno nuttin about windows, for such ambitious things like coldflashing you should use a linux box anyway20:37
Sicelo_that's what the logs say too :/20:38
Wissooh dear20:38
Wissook now i removed ovi and all cable drivers..etc20:39
Wissothe rom is found20:40
DocScrutinizerbut honestly, what did you do to get the device in that state? what are the exact sympthoms? are you sure you nuked your NOLO so you need to coldflash? Much more likely is a hw defect, for all usual cases, as nuling NOLO isn't exactly sth that happens every day to lots of users20:40
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Wissoi did nothing20:41
Wissothe battery died20:41
Wissoand since 2 days iv been trying to revive it20:42
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Wissoi took a phone of my friend to recharge the bat20:42
DocScrutinizersounds like your USB receptacle is broken20:42
Wissoput in the bat and it refused to turn on20:43
Wissonothing at all on screen20:43
Wissotried to flash it, it wouldnt show the nokia logo or the anything20:43
DocScrutinizerwhat happens when you plug the charger to the powered down device?20:43
Wissothe led is solid orange20:44
Wissonot flashing20:44
DocScrutinizerthat's low battery20:44
Wissono way its fully charged20:44
DocScrutinizerno way20:44
DocScrutinizerthat's definitely battery voltage below boot threshold, so emergency hw based charging kicked in20:45
Wissohmm let me try again20:45
DocScrutinizerit should change to booting the device after some minutes20:45
SpeedEvilwon't help - you need to leave it charging20:45
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover20:46
Wissook something changed when i recharged it20:46
Wissonow when i plug the charger the led dont lite up20:47
Wissowhen i remove the bat it lite up solid orange20:47
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DocScrutinizerWisso: first of all: get a KNOWN GOOD FULLY CHARGED battery20:49
Wissoall i need to know is how to find the hw id, if it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight20:50
DocScrutinizerwhatever your problem is, you git another one by your flat battery now, so diagnosing it is impossible20:50
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DocScrutinizerand flashing as well is impossible with flat battery20:51
DocScrutinizeryou might even have destroyed the bootloader by your attemt to fix a non existing problem by coldflashing20:52
DocScrutinizeryou can recover from all that (modulo hw defects like broken USB) but first of all you need a proper *battery* to start with20:53
Wissoits not the battery for christ sake20:53
Wissoi tested it on the other phone20:53
DocScrutinizerwell, then you're on your own20:53
DocScrutinizerobviously you're more competent than me20:53
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Sicelo_:/ omg20:55
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if there are other ways than a) reading out cat /proc/cpuinfo b) disassembling device and look at mobo c) access internal Nokia device db with ser#, to get the hw revision aka id21:19
Arkenoioh shi..21:19
Arkenoiit keeps asking!21:19
Arkenoi"disconnect or change connection"21:19
Arkenoiit enters this mode for no apparent reason21:19
DocScrutinizerICD2 fsckd up?21:19
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DocScrutinizerbtw maybe wisso had some point in that a broken NOLO also could cause steady amber LED. But then otoh I don't feel like messing around with coldflashing unless prior check of what the device actually says in PC syslog, so you at least have a marginal clue what's really going on21:22
DocScrutinizermeh, he's gone so nevermind21:22
infobotmethinks otoh is On The Other Hand.  It's YAFA.21:23
infobotrumour has it, yafa is Yet Another Freakin Acronym.21:23
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DocScrutinizernever heard of NOLO going pooof by somebody "did nothing"21:25
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DocScrutinizerand when sb is telling me "f it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight" and "its not the battery for christ sake" I tend to spend my time with somebody else asking better questions, like "how can I make sure the battery is ok?"21:26
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keriowhy does the other kind of flashing exist?21:27
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keriono, hotflashing21:29
DocScrutinizercoldflashing is for flashing a new NOLO only21:30
DocScrutinizerin case you really managed to nuke it21:30
DocScrutinizerwhich is rather unlikely21:30
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DocScrutinizerand hotflashing is to flash rootfs etc and can be done via NOLO (only?)21:32
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DocScrutinizerhotflashing == normal flashing of fiasco img21:32
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DocScrutinizerit's nolo that detects the held u-key and displays the USB icon on NOKIA screen21:33
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DocScrutinizerfirst thing that NOLO does when loading is to kick the vibra and display the NOKIA without backlight21:34
DocScrutinizerthen enum to USB afaik21:34
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DocScrutinizerthen check for u key21:35
DocScrutinizerooh I forgot, first of all NOLO checks battery voltage and decides if further charging is needed21:36
DocScrutinizerif so, you can't even enter flashing mode21:36
DocScrutinizerthat's why you NEED a completely charged battery for flashing21:36
DocScrutinizeras NOLO will try to enter linux/maemo in act_dead mode, to charge, if ever battery voltage is considered too low for proper flashing. If that booting into maemo fails, you got a nice bootloop that will further DEPLETE your battery21:38
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DocScrutinizerof course if NOLO is nuked, there's no charging either - so coldflashing is likely to fail and you can't restore NOLO21:39
DocScrutinizerthat's why I said this guy shall make damn sure he got a KNOWN GOOD battery21:40
DocScrutinizeras coldflashing probably will fail silently when battery too low. Will drive you nuts21:41
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Arkenoiappears that repetitive "disconnect or change connection" dialogs also drain battery as hell21:48
DocScrutinizeryou bet21:48
DocScrutinizerdunno what that might mean. Maybe wrong password or sth like that?21:49
Arkenoiit is *already* connected to some network21:49
Arkenoiand still keeps asking21:49
DocScrutinizerwhat's your supposed connection?21:49
Arkenoidoes not matter21:49
Arkenoiit started today on 3g21:50
Arkenoiand then continued when i entered wifi21:50
DocScrutinizerwell, it does somehow - wlan or gprs?21:50
Arkenoiboth, no difference21:50
DocScrutinizerooh and both have same effect?21:50
Arkenoii rebooted and it is ok now21:50
Arkenoibut it is not the fist time it behaves like that21:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, I've seen a faintly similar problem when sth messed up my dhcp settings so despite 3G was well and running, I couldn't ping21:51
DocScrutinizerhad to reboot to fix it iirc21:52
DocScrutinizermere recnnect didn't help21:52
DocScrutinizermy settings are to never ask21:52
DocScrutinizerso maybe your issue is same, just for you it asks21:52
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DocScrutinizero/ DrGrov21:59
DrGrovHi DocScrutinizer21:59
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e-yesi removed battery for few seconds (i've changed sim card), datetime was reseted to 0 (1 Jan 1970). Is it ok??22:01
e-yesluckly, ntp is supported well in android.22:03
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Sicelo_so what device is this e-yes ?22:03
e-yesbut it's annoying (if it's by "hw design") anyway22:03
e-yesSicelo_, n9022:04
e-yeserr n90022:04
keriowell it's supposed to resist at least for 30 seconds22:04
keriobut the internal batteries are crap22:04
Sicelo_more htat 70% nokia models lose time quickly22:05
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kerioat least the n900 has ntp22:05
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e-yesthat sucks. especially for not so cheap device :(22:06
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mer_gehey. where do I have to put backup files in order for the standard backup app to find it?22:10
Sicelo_u can enable automatic time update if your mobile operator supports it e-yes22:10
mer_geI have my backed-up files in MyDocs/Backup and can't open them with "Backup"... Do I have to put them somewhere special?22:12
infobotsomebody said backup was described at
e-yesSicelo_, ntp is ok (for me), at least it works. not only in maemo. and regardless it's supported by operator or not.22:13
Sicelo_hmm.. infobot needs help there22:14
Sicelo_of course e-yes :)22:14
e-yeshowever, good idea to check if it work with ofono and time-plugin :)22:15
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ShadowJKnot "Backup"22:16
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mer_geMyDocs/backups doens work either. I have these zip-files, is that correct?22:18
mer_geor do I have to unzip them on my PC, copy them over again and move them around manually on the phone?22:20
mer_gethat would be overkill22:20
mer_gehm. somebody has to know how to restore from a backup...22:24
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DocScrutinizerrestore with backup app ->restore22:33
DocScrutinizere-yes: I offered to try and get replacement backup batteries if enough other people join. The LiIon cells used in N900 (and Openmoko FR) are known to have >80% defect after only 12 months22:34
DocScrutinizermy suggested replacement is another technology that's supposed to be way more rugged22:35
DocScrutinizeralas the component is like 1$ while shipping is 20$22:36
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DocScrutinizerso I'd offer to manage an order if 29 other people like to order one for 3$ which is my expense for ordering and forwarding22:41
DocScrutinizer19, not 2922:41
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