IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-04-30

DocScrutinizerif that's actually the case then that's a flaw that's hard to fix. Just avoid changing profile during call then00:00
cityLightsand then if I switch back to general the audio restarts again00:00
cityLightsMohammadAG: good night , can you help me do this in python?00:01
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cityLightsI looked at
cityLightsonly method relevant I found is
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cityLightsI also saw this
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cityLightsbut can't really tell what it means00:03
DocScrutinizeractually switching profiles during a call is a rather bizarre idea. Could happen accidentally by automatic profile switchers, so the profile switcher should catch that situation and postpone the actaul switching til after call finished00:03
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MohammadAGcityLights, I suck at python :/00:09
cityLightsis shapeshifter better?00:10
cityLights~seen shapeshifter00:10
infobotshapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 8h 21m 35s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 6h 11m 40s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'.00:10
cityLightsshapeshifter: can you shade light on using python-mafw?00:10
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cityLightsto get volume level00:11
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cityLightsI wonder if he is in a close time zone00:13
MohammadAGwhat's wrong with using DBus?00:13
MohammadAGin the end, that's what mafw does00:13
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cityLightsI can do os.system() but I am not sure how to handle the return value00:16
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cityLightsand would do it the "right way"00:16
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cityLightsI do find it hard using some python modules with little documatioin00:16
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DocScrutinizeraah still about that meeting profile switcher?00:20
cityLightsMohammadAG: you said you know how to do it in C00:21
cityLightsdo you use mafw-gst-eq-renderer?00:21
cityLightsand mafw_extension_get_property00:21
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DocScrutinizercityLights: I honestly don't get it why you'd need mafw access or messing with volume, to switch profile on a certain time00:24
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cityLightsassume I am having a call , and during that time a meeting begins00:25
MohammadAGcityLights, I showed you how I do it00:25
DocScrutinizercityLights: yes, so you wait until call finished, then switch profile00:25
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DocScrutinizeryou don't really want the device to switch profile during a call, as a call has its own profile anyway. That's why switching profile during a call does weird things00:27
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DocScrutinizeractually that's a flaw in profile switcher (lib?) which should postpone the real switching to another mixer setting until after call has finished. I'm quite sure Nokia missed that "race condition"00:29
cityLightsI also had a better question00:29
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DocScrutinizerso you should do it in your own app, check if a call is in progress, and if yess then wait until you see call-finished on dbus, then set your new profile00:29
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cityLightscan I leave a hook to call a function after a program terminates?00:30
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DocScrutinizerumm, not generally00:31
cityLightsassume I want my program to run when even the calender db is changed00:31
cityLightsmust I use dbus-script to hunt this call?00:31
DocScrutinizeryou can use inotify to get a callback on files changing00:31
DocScrutinizeryou can use a wrapper around specific apps to call something after main app finished00:32
DocScrutinizeryou can poll ps to tell when a process finished00:32
cityLightsI want the program to quit, and only leave when a meeting is about to start OR the calender db is changed00:32
DocScrutinizerbut I'm not aware of any means other than monitor like strace/gdb to get a notification at quit of an arbitrary process00:32
DocScrutinizercalendar db changed is easily catchable via inotify00:33
GAN900Jaffa, can you easily figure out who wrote what percentage of each article (excepting C&P quotes) from EtherPad?00:34
DocScrutinizersee how e.g trackerd is montitoring files and whole directories for any change00:34
GAN900Then use that to decide who to attribute.00:34
GAN900(or is that just waaay overcomplicating things. . . .)00:34
DocScrutinizerlo gan00:35
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cityLightsquestion is how is more expensive inotify or dbus-scripts00:37
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cityLightswell I guess I'll wait for some one that knows how to change the volume from python00:38
cityLightsand read it00:38
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DocScrutinizercityLights: so you set up an inotify monitor on calendar.db file, and every time you get notification it has changed you can scan it for events that have a 'magic' comment like "Xprofile=meeting"00:39
DocScrutinizerthen you pass the change-profile alarm events to alarmed, after deleting your old ones00:40
DocScrutinizerdone you are00:40
DocScrutinizerthe change-profile_during_call issue is a bug that should get handled in whatever system actually is dealing with the profile stuff in maemo00:41
cityLightsI need to learn about inotify00:41
cityLightsI guess its a service that needs to be running00:41
DocScrutinizerinotify is some sort of kernel service I think00:41
DocScrutinizeractually ilesystem00:41
cityLightsquestion is how expensive it is00:42
DocScrutinizerit's really cheap, best you can get00:42
DocScrutinizerman 7 inotify00:42
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DocScrutinizer>>The inotify API provides a mechanism for monitoring file system events.  Inotify can be used to monitor individual files, or to monitor directories.  When a directory is monitored, inotify will return  events  for  the  directory       itself, and for files inside the directory.00:43
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BCMMcityLights: inotify isn't a daemon or anything; it's a kernel API00:51
BCMMthe kernel itself notifies you when a file is modified, and no polling happens00:51
BCMMpresumably, it hooks directly into file access stuff or something00:52
BCMMdoesn't matter, point is there is no polling and therefore effectively 0 overhead00:52
DocScrutinizer51yup, fs inodes00:52
DocScrutinizer51I'd guess00:52
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cehtehwell it eats some kernel resources (memory) when you watch many files00:53
BCMMi did say "effectively" :)00:53
DocScrutinizer51yes, really lighweight and best you can get except direct notification from the process that changes that file00:53
BCMMBeagle desktop search is often configured to have inotify watches on a user's entire home directory (so it knows when to update search indices), and this doesn't seem to cause any trouble00:53
cityLightsok , got that , can anyone please help me get the volume level in python?00:54
cityLightsI am lost in google with00:54
cityLightsMafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin gives me an equlizer plugin00:55
BCMMcityLights: have a look at phone-control00:55
cityLightsneed I find a gstremer answer?00:55
cityLightsyes, I am looking to use python-mafw00:55
BCMMit gets and sets the volume level using dbus-send00:55
BCMMoh, sorry00:55
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cityLightsmafw_object = bus.get_object('','/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer')00:56
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BCMMalso, i think i was wrong and it only sets00:56
cityLightsbut am stuck beyond this00:56
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DocScrutinizer51BCMM: nah, gets as well00:57
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BCMMDocScrutinizer51: how?00:57
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DocScrutinizer51isn't it in phonecontrol yet?00:57
DocScrutinizer51thought I added it00:58
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to be in /usr/bin/phone-control, i meant01:05
DocScrutinizercityLights: I did the fancy to try and change profile during call. Waht's the problem you're facing?01:05
DocScrutinizercityLights: worked flawlessly for me01:06
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DocScrutinizerI changed the profile via status menu01:07
DocScrutinizerseveral times, to different profiles, incl silent01:07
DocScrutinizerspeakerphone continued without any problem, silent mode took effect on everything (except phonecall of course) when I tested it after call ended01:10
DocScrutinizercityLights: so what's your problem? why do you need to mess around with volume setting, on changing profile?01:11
cityLightspls try issueing the profile change from a terminal using the dbus-send01:12
DocScrutinizerwill do01:13
* telmich has the problem since today that I don't hear anything on a phonecall, nor does the other side hear me01:13
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telmichI've checked the volume control, but did not see any obvious problem - any hint on what me be wrong?01:13
lcuktelmich, are you holding phone the right way round?01:13
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telmichlcuk: erm...hope so very much01:14
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DocScrutinizercityLights: damn, that's broken even to start with listing of available profiles01:15
lcuktelmich, am jesting, have you given a reboot a try?01:15
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telmichlcuk: now it work, yes, tried rebooting before01:16
telmichand i can hear the sound clearly, i.e. it's loud enough to be heard indpendent of the phone rotation01:16
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MohammadAGUnity's not that bad tbh01:20
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: please can you check which one of PR1.3 or CSSU is causing breakage of
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I defined new profiles with tweakr, I can select them as usual via status menu, but they don't show up in that dbus call anymore01:22
MohammadAGWhy blame the CSSU? profiled's closed01:22
DocScrutinizerthey do on my pr1.2PK system01:23
MohammadAGThen it's probably PR1.301:23
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MohammadAGyou said or CSSU01:23
GAN900I wish they hadn't used those horrible icons.01:23
MohammadAGit's not the CSSU then :p01:23
MohammadAGagain profiled's closed source afaik01:23
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MohammadAGand even if it was open, I never changed anything01:24
GAN900Stupid squares are hard to differentiate.01:24
MohammadAGGAN900, unity?01:24
DocScrutinizerwell whatever it is, it worked e.g in alarmed to switch profiles to user custom profiles. Now I'm stuck with fsckng "general" and "silent"01:25
MohammadAGto me it looks like they went with a Windows 7-ish style launcher01:25
DocScrutinizerfirst of all, can you confirm please?01:25
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DocScrutinizermight be just me and a borked database or sth01:26
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cityLightsDocScrutinizer: thnaks for all your help01:27
DocScrutinizercityLights: yw. Thanks for pushing my nose into this annoying bug01:27
cityLightsI am still strugelling with pythona dn dbus and get volume level01:27
cityLightshow to fix it?01:27
cityLightsneed I report it?01:28
DocScrutinizerno clue yet. I ran into that bug halfway to trying to confirm your bug. Both might well be related01:28
cityLightsfound it!01:29
cityLightspersistence is good01:29
cityLightsand a speller also01:30
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure tweakr doesn't add a profile to profiled01:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, yet it does here01:32
cityLightsmay I add this to the wiki? or to publish in talk?01:33
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MohammadAGanyway, yeah, only returns general and silent01:34
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DocScrutinizerthis quite effectively breaks whole profile function01:37
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DocScrutinizerMMPF!!! on t900 (pr1.2+++) it also returns solent and general only, yet alarmed knows about my custom profiles01:39
DocScrutinizerso we'd need to ask Shapeshifter how he managed to accomplish this miracle01:40
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DocScrutinizeraside from that dbus-call seems has always been borked01:40
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DocScrutinizeryet something different broke from pr1.2 -> pr1.3.3.701:41
cityLightsbut I do want to report it - may I01:41
DocScrutinizerthat something is what shapeshifter is using to determine his profiles offered for switching-profile function01:42
DocScrutinizerreport what exactly?01:42
DocScrutinizercityLights: of course you're free to report whatever you like, anytime you like. I just want to make sure your report is actually helping to trace down and fix the root cause01:43
DocScrutinizercityLights: which profiles you got to switch between them?01:43
cityLightssilent and general01:44
cityLightsbut I must to this tommorow01:44
cityLightsjust dont let me forget01:44
DocScrutinizernah, we'll pick that up tomorrow for sure. I need to get me a beer in my pub now01:45
cityLightscheers mate01:46
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DocScrutinizerif anybody's wondering what to do to fight the boredom: there's Shapeshifter's alarmed app waiting to have a look into it to find how the profiles there are obtained and manage to show the user profiles created by tweakr, while the dbus-call recommended there fails to do that01:48
DocScrutinizercheers, bbl01:48
DocScrutinizers/manage to show/managed (in PR1.2) to show/01:49
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DocScrutinizeron a lower hurdle, anybody with a plain PR1.3 could install tweakr, create a custom profile, install alarmed and see if that profile is shown in "new event switch profile" in alarmed01:51
MohammadAGagain, profiled's closed...01:52
DocScrutinizerI noticed the status menu profile switching broke when I changed the icon sequence in status bar01:54
DocScrutinizerso while profiled may be closed and unchanged, anything else may cause this problem with profiled01:55
DocScrutinizerI got two systems here, one is working, the other one not. It's normal to try and narrow down what exactly caused the break01:57
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DocScrutinizeranyway, l8r01:58
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kwtmMohammadAG: So, continuing our conversation from #ubuntu, how do I "apt-get --download-only install" my N900 *.deb packages so that I can retain them instead of having them disappear in a puff of smoke?  I intend to store them on my home system so that, if for some reason I lose Net connectivity on the N900, I can still reinstall by packages without needing an accessible Maemo repository.02:23
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MohammadAGkwtm, you want to clone the whole repo?02:24
MohammadAGapt-mirror afaik, merlin1991 should know about that02:24
MohammadAGI keep my /var/cache/apt/archives on MyDocs, reflashing + restoring doesn't take more than 30 mins02:25
kwtmMohammadAG: No, just the packages I download.  I mean, I downloaded them, I might as well hang on to them if I've got room on the 1TB drive so I don't have to download them again.02:25
kwtmMohammadAG: Wait, /var/cache/apt/archives exists?  I thought the N900 automagically Houdini'd them afterward "for better efficiency".02:26
kwtmJust like how the man files disappear.02:26
MohammadAGkwtm, well, not if you use HAM02:26
MohammadAGactually there's a way to disable purging packages by HAM02:27
MohammadAGnot in the GUI though02:27
kwtmMohammadAG: Oh, so manual "apt-get install" will preserve them, then?02:27
MohammadAGand yeah, it exists02:27
MohammadAG1.4G    MyDocs/archives02:27
MohammadAGjust move them to MyDocs, / won't hold a lot of packages :P02:28
kwtmGood to know.  Thx!02:30
MohammadAGkwtm, apt-get --reinstall -d install $(dpkg -l | grep ii | grep -v \<none\> | awk '{print $2}' | xargs)02:30
MohammadAGthat will download all debs for installed packages02:30
MohammadAGkeep in mind that includes preinstalled stuff02:30
MohammadAG(calculator, maps etc)02:30
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG: yeah, Unity.02:30
MohammadAGfor user packages apt-get -d --reinstall install $(maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs)02:31
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, icons are windows 7-y02:31
MohammadAGbut I kinda like it02:32
GeneralAntillesThe squares are terrible.02:32
GeneralAntillesMakes it hard to tell between icons.02:32
GeneralAntillesYou need shapes as well as colors.02:32
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BCMMis it wrong to write an app that abuses the icon set? i want to use sketch_brush1.png as a bullet point03:26
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anathaemawell, the newest pyradio works again04:08
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anathaemayou know the n900 isn't all that great at being a phone04:08
anathaemamind you i love mine04:09
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anathaemabut "phone" isn't it's strong point04:09
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Tronicanathaema: It isn't perfect but from what I hear, it still beats WP7 hands down.04:12
anathaemait's an awesome handheld linux pc04:12
anathaemathat's what i bought it for and it delivers04:12
anathaemawith a vibrant open source community behind it04:13
TronicThere's no question about that but my point is that it is also a pretty good phone if not counting the lousy battely life.04:13
anathaemaactually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram if i have too much software running04:14
TronicBetter address book than many other phones have, support for vcards (this appears to be missing from Apple products), easy access to phone from home screen (missing from most smartphones), automatic recording of phonecalls with no beeps or length limitations...04:15
anathaemai'm wanting to integrate a pandaboard into my gl1500 though which is based on the arm cortex A9 dual core 1ghz04:15
anathaemadunno what os i'll use yet04:15
TronicFor me there aren't that many options.04:16
anathaemai'm thinking of using meego on it04:16
TronicI'll stick with Maemo for a long time but I'll get better hardware if possible.04:16
anathaemabut i'm wondering if i could get maemo to run on a pandaboard and use the app base that the n900 already has04:16
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TronicMeeGo might be an option in the future but it doesn't look too good at the moment.04:17
wmarone_unlikely, simply due to the core bits of maemo that are closed04:17
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anathaemathat sucks04:17
anathaemai know some people run android on the pandaboard04:17
wmarone_you'd probably have better luck getting MeeGo going with Cordia, which looks a lot like maemo04:17
anathaemabut i wanna stay away from google's fauxpen source :)04:17
wmarone_people run lots of stuff on the pandaboard04:18
anathaemai'm wanting to hook a hmd tyo it04:19
anathaemaand have maps and vital data on display04:19
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wmarone_I want to get meego going on my nook color, but the android-sewn kernel disaster is making it hard04:19
TronicBtw, is there any way to improve Skype sound quality on N900?04:21
TronicFor some reason it is much worse than on desktop.04:21
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TronicAlso much worse than GSM.04:22
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DocScrutinizer( <anathaema> actually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram) impossible, the needed pocesses for calls all should be memlocked04:50
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DocScrutinizerTronic: there's just so much you can do for skype - on any platform04:53
DocScrutinizerskype is crap. Take it or leave it04:53
TronicIt is by far the best voicecom app so until someone makes an open source voip system that actually works well, I will stick with the best one.04:54
TronicThe audio quality on desktop is very good so this seems to be a problem with N900.04:55
Tronic(or rather the Skype settings used on N900)04:55
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TronicDocScrutinizer: About phone app starting too slowly, isn't pulseaudio using non-memlocked buffers?04:56
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DocScrutinizerTronic: ask ebay about it. You can't do anything for skype, it's double-plus closed <everything> app04:58
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DocScrutinizerTronic: about pukeaudio I dunno much, except it doesn't need much buffers that had to get allocated realtime05:00
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anathaemai have a account and skype05:33
anathaemaand i have lost calls before the pgone gui would come up when i was using fennec05:33
anathaemai stopped using fennec though05:34
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nox-yeah as someone else here said, `fennec eats ram like candy'05:46
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ihatehayfeverhi all06:47
ihatehayfeverdooes anyone actually use this06:48
ihatehayfevertis my first time06:48
ihatehayfeverOk, fine06:48
ihatehayfeverim leaving06:49
ihatehayfevergood day to you sir06:49
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c2pLaYhi all09:00
c2pLaYcan't seem to get virtual keyboard working09:00
c2pLaYits turned on in settings09:00
c2pLaYon/off... multiple reboots etc..09:01
c2pLaYnokia n90009:01
keks-nWhat you have done befor it became broken?09:02
c2pLaYto my knowledge09:02
c2pLaYit has never worked09:02
c2pLaYjust started trying to get it to work several hours ago09:03
c2pLaYyes several hours09:03
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slonopotamushmm... what is responsible for saving message history on n900? i think i purged something that did that09:04
c2pLaYthe shift+fn+cntrl brings up the special characters keyboard np09:05
c2pLaYmade sure physical keyboard was closed09:06
c2pLaYim just at a loss09:06
c2pLaYanyone know how to start it up manually?09:06
RST38h"Chemicals are bad. Despite their omnipresence from the beginning of time, they are no longer safe. Even real researchers are starting to notice the possible voluntary stunting of science education that is occurring in the name of overreaching safety."09:06
keks-n - nya?09:06
fralsslonopotamus: rtcom-el or smth like that09:07
slonopotamusfrals: so the point is that everything works, however _new_ messages are not saved09:09
fralsmessed up permissions on ~/.rtcom-el maybe?09:10
fralstheres a folder in ~ where its suppose to be saved anyway09:10
slonopotamusno, didn't touch permissions09:11
slonopotamusthough apt-get purged some stuff that wasn't dependency of mr-fremantle-generic09:11
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slonopotamushmm... call history is also not recorded (and is empty)09:16
fralsits all supposed to go to eventlogger database09:18
slonopotamusokay. what app is responsible for that?09:19
slonopotamusalternatively: is there unmerge log?09:20
fralsi *think* its rtcom-eventlogger or rtcom-el or smth similar09:21
slonopotamusi don't have nokia messaging anywhere09:22
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pupnikwow nice
cityLightshow can I make a program run when ever the calender db changes?10:52
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cityLightsone way is to use dbus-scripts and listen in to db_calender_change10:53
cityLightsanother is to generate a file that will use inotify to run the command10:54
cityLightsany better way?10:54
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JaffaMorning, all11:46
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phrykCan I somehow get the data partition to be ext4 or something simliar? fat32 just sucks.12:06
keriophryk: you can shrink the MyDocs partition12:07
keriobut then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps12:07
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robbiethe1stIsn't it possible to change the mount-string? Then, changing the MyDocs partition wouldn't matter; it'd still mount and programs would be none the wiser12:08
phrykrobbiethe1st: mount-string?12:09
SpeedEvilphryk: What I did was to shrink mydocs to 5G, and then make a new data partition in ext312:09
phrykyou mean the fstab entry?12:09
robbiethe1stphryk: it would be nice if it was, but I doubt it's actually in  there12:09
kerioi wish nokia dropped the pretenses and just admitted that the n900 was a phone for nerds, and just made it so12:10
phrykSpeedEvil: But the mydocs partition is the only one that shows up when using the device as usb mass storage, right?12:10
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keks-n>>but then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps12:10
keks-nEhm... Symlinks?12:10
phrykrobbiethe1st: it is in there, but it seems to change back after reboot, so it's no use changing anything there as far as i can tel…12:10
keriokeks-n: on fat32?12:10
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robbiethe1stI've heard that file's generated on boot12:11
SpeedEvilphryk: scp/rsync work fine for me12:11
keks-nOK, mount --bind12:11
phrykWhat if i mounted the ext partition on a mountpoint lying in the MyDocs dir?12:11
keriostill, i want a better file picker12:11
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robbiethe1stAlso, it should be possible to expose multiple partitions to the USB-mass-storage mode12:11
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kerioi want a serial console through usb12:16
keriolike the sheevaplug does12:16
robbiethe1stkerio: Possible12:17
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kerioi mean, during boot12:17
kerioa bootloader console12:17
robbiethe1stWell, it's certainly possible through Backupmenu, might be possible to add that command to a boot file12:17
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keriothe sheevaplug is made so that you can fuck up your bootloader and still recover it12:18
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phrykJust fucking awesome. MyDocs partition is fucked up. Being mounted read-only 'until errors are fixed'. fsck.vfat can't fix the problems. And since it's ro I can't manually delete the fault files. Fuck yeah, this is so awesome -.-12:29
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kerioconnect to computer, fsck.vfat, ???, profit12:31
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phrykThat is what I just DID.12:31
phrykAnd like I said fsck.vfat can't fix the problems.12:31
dm8tbrconnect to computer, copy all files off, mkfs.vfat, copy back, ... , profit12:32
kerioyou mean "???"12:32
phrykaren't there application files on that thing?12:32
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keriophryk: so?12:32
kerioit's umounted from maemo when it's connected12:32
phryki'll just kill the current fs completely… got nothing of value on it12:33
phrykworst case I gotta flash again…12:33
keriodon't do that12:34
keriojust flash12:34
keriomaemo *requires* a working vfat emmc12:34
kerio*partition on the emmc12:35
dm8tbrso, just mkfs.vfat?12:35
kerioflash 1.3, and then cssu12:35
phrykill try calling fsck.vfat with slightly more aggressive options first12:35
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phrykhey it worked :D12:37
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RST38hEfforts to increase the degree in which analysis references other events resulted in an incident whereby [DATA EXPUNGED], resulting in 3 researchers being euthanized.12:56
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cityLightscan anyone pls think if I can do this better?13:08
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cityLightsI am trying to hook the calender db change via inotify13:11
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cityLights~seen shapeshifter13:14
infobotshapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 21h 26m 6s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 16m 11s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'.13:14
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cityLightswell I hope some python coder will show up soon13:18
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keks-nI have a problem with dput13:59
keks-nIt says "Permission denied"13:59
keks-nLooks like that something is wrong with SSH-keys14:00
jacekowskiyou have to wait for keys to update14:00
jacekowskiand you can only use rsa keys14:00
jacekowskidss keys don't work14:00
keks-nI used this command to generate it: ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 204814:01
keks-nIs it ok?14:02
keks-nI really had to wait14:03
keks-nIt works now14:03
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cityLightsanyone care to help me with this inotify issue?14:06
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jacekowskiwhat is the issue?14:06
cityLightsI seek to call my script when the calender is changed14:06
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cityLightsso I create a bash script that will hook on inotify and seek the calender file modify then issue my script14:07
cityLightsthis way my own python script quits14:07
cityLightsand only the bash script is alive14:07
jacekowskithen you do inotifywait -e modify filename14:08
cityLightsor should I do in any other way14:08
jacekowskiin loop14:08
cityLightsis this approch better then using dbus-scripts and filter th calender change msg?14:09
jacekowskiwell, you said inotify14:09
cityLightsmy aim is to hook calender db changes14:11
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keks-nTry to watch for files' access time14:17
keks-nOh, you already do14:19
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keks-nBut why you aren't using inotify_add_watch directly?14:22
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cityLightsremeber that I intend to quit my own script and leave this script running14:26
cityLightsor should I leave my own script running?14:26
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keks-nIs there no any analog of P/Invoke in python?14:29
keks-n>>or should I leave my own script running?14:30
keks-nWhy not?14:30
keks-nIt consumes too much RAM?14:30
keks-nIf it's a problem, just write a simple C program14:31
keks-nIt will use even less ram than bash or busybox14:31
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cityLightsI need help setting the volume using python and dbus14:42
cityLightsI do this14:44
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MohammadAGos.system sucks, use dbus-glib or something15:34
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DocScrutinizeros.system is fine if there's an existing cmdline binary doing exactly what you need, the binary is powerful and thus large in memsize, and the function you need in your program is only occasional and temporary. Then os.system will reduce both your development and testing load, and your program's avrg memory footprint16:12
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DocScrutinizeryou do NOT want to follow this os.system scheme if the function you need has to be very fast and realtime in a sense of t_response<100ms (for a ballpark), or you are dealing with system critical stuff that must not fail ever16:15
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mc_teoi prefer to use subprocess module16:19
mc_teoall other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated16:20
mc_teoso move with the times, man16:20
DocScrutinizertypical candidates you do NOT want to call via os.system: echo (too simple and small), hdparm to park disk heads on free fall (too slow), shutdown (mustn't fail due to e.g low_on_ram condition)  --  Typical candidates for a call via os.system: sed, grep, find...16:21
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: well, I'm without any preferences regarding which construct you use in your program to call external binaries16:22
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kerioer... what?17:00
kerioyou don't use os.system, period17:00
keriouse subprocess.Popen17:00
kerioor one of the subprocess helper functions17:00
keriolike check_output17:00
mc_teoi prefer to use subprocess module17:00
mc_teoall other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated17:01
mc_teoso move with the times, man17:01
pupnikno stick in the mud!17:02'command', shell=True) works also17:03
RST38hPython people and their arguments.17:03
* RST38h sighs and goes outside17:03
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keriomc_teo: ew, no17:04
keriothe point of subprocess is that you don't need to shell out17:04
kerioanything a shell can do, you can do with os.walk, glob and/or shutil17:05
mc_teolol, subprocess is just a wrapper for all the other modules17:05
mc_teolike os.system17:05
mc_teoand popen17:05
mc_teoand commands module17:05
keriosubprocess uses the various os.popen*17:05
keriobut in a sensible way17:05
mc_teohow would you recommend using "dbus-send" then?17:06
keriono, wait, on unix it uses os.execvp()17:06
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keriohuh... dbus-python?17:06
mc_teoi tried that17:07
mc_teodidnt work with mafs renderer17:07
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GAN900How's the Synaptics multitouch (2-, 3-, or 4-finger) support on Linux these days?17:17
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kwtmwhat's the bot's name in this channel?17:35
kwtminfobot is the female one, right?17:36
kwtmIt's so hard to keep track of factoidlet-thingy's in various channels.17:36
infobot<BluefoxIcy> ibot female <ibot> BluefoxIcy: i haven't a clue17:36
psycho_oreosfeeling rather sexy today/tonight?17:36
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kwtmStrange.  Ok, commercial break over, back to our main program.17:36
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DocScrutinizer~chase kwtm18:14
* infobot chases kwtm18:14
DocScrutinizer~attack kwtm18:14
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kwtm18:14
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DocScrutinizerkwtm: factoids are global usually18:14
lardmanafternoon chaps18:14
DocScrutinizer(except on a very few channels where I asker Tim to set them local)18:15
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GAN900Hey, lardman.18:15
lardmanhi GAN900 :)18:15
kwtm~attack after Michael Jackson for his autograph18:16
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing after Michael Jackson for his autograph18:16
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DocScrutinizerfunny enough factoid male doesn't exist at all18:19
psycho_oreosmaybe she's not interested in males ;)18:20
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cityLightsmc_teo: thnaks18:28
cityLightshi lardman18:28
mc_teocityLights: for what?18:28
cityLightsmy question is this: I want my program to be run every time the calender db is changed18:29
cityLightsI know of two options: 1. dbus-scripts and look for the calenderdb change msg18:30
mc_teolike instantly?18:30
mc_teothen use dbus scripts18:30
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cityLights2. create a bash script from my program and run it. this bash script will run inotify to watch a modify in the calender file and then run my program18:31
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cityLights3. listen to the dbus msg from my program and leave it running18:31
mc_teojust do it18:31
cityLights1 and 2 offer the option of quitting my program18:31
cityLightsmy program is very light18:32
cityLightsso waht is the benefit of 1 vs 3?18:32
mc_teo1 remains after restart18:32
mc_teo3 has to be configured to do so18:32
mc_teoto be ran each boot18:33
mc_teodbus-scripts take care of all that18:33
mc_teodbus-scripts were made for that kind of thing18:33
mc_teoand means using existing framework18:34
mc_teowhich is like +3 to solution 118:34
mc_teoso i need more?18:34
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cityLightsbut if I want to remove this program , I need to remove the dbus-scripts line and restart the deamon18:35
DocScrutinizerif there's a convenient dbus signal, then that's of course the best solution to use dbus-scripting18:35
DocScrutinizerremove as in uninstall?18:36
cityLightsok DocScrutinizer18:36
mc_teocityLights: just add it to postrm18:36
mc_teoand thats like two commands, so no biggy18:36
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure you need to restart dbus-scripting daemon18:37
DocScrutinizer.deb postrm script18:37
mc_teocityLights: debian install archives have a postrm, which is like a shell script, ran after uninstallation18:37
cityLightsmc_teo: can you help me this look better:
mc_teoto clean up any other resources18:38
cityLightsok, now i remember18:38
cityLightsin fact any one here that uses python and dbus may help with this18:38
cityLightsI am sure this could look better18:38
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cityLightssecond question: I used mdbus2 to see this msg18:39
cityLights[SIGNAL]  /com/nokia/calendar  :1.11918:39
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cityLights( "CALENDAR-UI:1:EVENT:DELETED:1:447,", "CALENDAR-UI" )18:39
cityLightshow to catch this signal18:40
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mc_teoi cant get python-dbus to work at all18:42
DocScrutinizeruse dbus-monitor, it has a printout somewhat more in line with what you need for dbus-scripting18:43
mc_teodbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name was not provided by any .service files18:43
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DocScrutinizersignal sender=:1.1853 -> dest=(null destination) serial=17 path=/com/nokia/calendar;; member=dbChange18:49
DocScrutinizer   string "CALENDAR-UI:1:EVENT:ADDED:1"18:49
DocScrutinizer   string "CALENDAR-UI"18:49
DocScrutinizeryou want to test in dbus-scripting for path=/com/nokia/calendar;; member=dbChange18:49
cityLightsthank you very much18:50
cityLightsimport mafw was missing18:51
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CableTwitchHaven't been in here in a while :O)19:47
pronto|:O *gasp*19:48
CableTwitchI has a question (because as usual, something isn't working properly). What would cause a recently rebooted N900 to stutter? No issues beforehand, although the reason for the reboot was that the LED was displaying weirdly while charging.19:49
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* CableTwitch pokes DocScrutinizer19:51
DocScrutinizerhi CableTwitch19:53
maybeArghsolar flares?19:53
CableTwitchHey Doc. Might you have any ideas?19:53
DocScrutinizerstuttering is less of a concern to me than the remark about LED and charging19:54
CableTwitchDon't tell me my hardware is on the fritz again.19:54
CableTwitchThis makes me doubleplus unhappy.19:54
CableTwitchSwapping between running apps is dog-slow, with much lag.19:55
DocScrutinizerwell, the LED patterns are programmed once (on starting the pattern) to LP5523 chip, then should run as they're meant to do19:55
CableTwitchLED works fine now. What WAS happening was the yellow and red were not displaying during the orange chanrging pulsing.19:55
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CableTwitchGreen was displaying weakly as a pulse, which I presume is part of the colour mix.19:56
DocScrutinizernope, not really19:56
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CableTwitchI recently installed, then uninstalled that advanced clock app. It's gone bandy since uninstall.19:57
DocScrutinizeroops, of course yellow == green+red19:58
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CableTwitchDun, yes. Blue wasn't on (obviously), red was not showing, green was.19:58
CableTwitchDun = Duh19:58
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CableTwitchI have noticed a tiny flicker of red when I disconnect the charger though...19:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, normal19:59
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DocScrutinizerI'd think your system is bitrotten somehow19:59
CableTwitchHow would I find out what is causing the slowdown?20:00
DocScrutinizerstutter on audio also can be caused by heavy load20:00
DocScrutinizeras is slowdown20:00
DocScrutinizeruse htop20:00
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MohammadAGnah, it also happens here20:00
MohammadAG(red flicker)20:00
CableTwitchHaven't tried audio, I'll do that when I'm not on the train.20:01
CableTwitchHey Mo20:01
* MohammadAG is interested in knowing why the battery empty sound always stutters20:01
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DocScrutinizerblame pukeaudio20:02
CableTwitchTask switching is where it's really evident, but it also happens when changing desktop.20:02
RST38hMohammad: not here20:02
RST38hbut yes it does happen nowand then20:02
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: use htop, find out about system load and unusually active processes20:03
CableTwitchSometimes it requires a double press to change tasks, when the small windows are displayed.20:03
CableTwitchAlso, remember, I'm useless when it comes to the actual OS on this thing (Which is why I ask the smart people :O)20:04
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DocScrutinizeropen browser windows are a major suspect, esp when flash or js is on the page displayed20:04
CableTwitchLemme kill the browser then.20:04
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CableTwitchNope, still doing it. Sometimes stutter when bringing the window to focus as well. Only xchat running as an active app.20:05
DocScrutinizermhm, a killall browserd sometimes does wonders20:05
DocScrutinizeruse htop20:05
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CableTwitch-sh: htop: not found20:07
CableTwitchNow, I'll be honest. I have no idea what I'm doing with the command line, so any commands you throw at me... well, please may I have the syntax as well? :O)20:08
DocScrutinizerapt-get install htop20:08
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: can you spare a min helpping me to figure out how to write the dbus-scripts line?20:09
DocScrutinizeroh, and of course you want to do 'root' before20:09
DocScrutinizercityLights: not really as I'm in a hurry20:09
cityLightsanyonw else ?20:10
cityLightsI will try you later dude20:10
CableTwitchhtop shows just under 15% CPU utilised, About half the RAM.20:11
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DocScrutinizercityLights: maybe this helps:
cityLightsthnaks you are a sweetheart20:15
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CableTwitchI dunno. How many processes regarding browserd should there normally be with no browser open?20:20
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cityLightsbye for now, time to ride20:21
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: that's weird (15%, 50%mem) browserd will linger around with several instances20:22
CableTwitchShould I try and kill em, or are they required?20:22
DocScrutinizerthey'll restart if you killall them, they're needed for some things to startup quickly20:23
CableTwitchMaybe I could try another reboot.20:24
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CableTwitch5 for RTComMessagingServer, another 5 for browserui, and 2 are just browserd20:25
DocScrutinizermight be threads20:26
CableTwitchHmm. Only xchat and xterm running.20:26
DocScrutinizerF2 - display options - [x] Display threads in a different color20:28
CableTwitchAnd how does one emulate the F keys? I've never needed that until now.20:29
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CableTwitchDone. What am I looking for?20:32
DocScrutinizermight show what those multiple instances of browserd are really20:33
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CableTwitchCheers for the assistance, Doc :O)20:33
CableTwitchCatch you later.20:33
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CableTwitchWell bugger, I think I know what might have caused it.20:37
CableTwitch<-- This idiot playing with the lock slider during the previous boot sequence.20:37
CableTwitchRebooted just now, and presto! All good.20:37
CableTwitchMental note:- Do NOT piss about with the phone when booting. Bad things happen, and make Cable cry.20:38
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MohammadAGcrap, Ubuntu 11.04 broke scratchbox20:40
RST38hno wonder20:40
CableTwitchMe, or Mo?20:41
MohammadAGdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386:20:42
MohammadAG scratchbox-core:i386 depends on python.20:42
MohammadAGpython is already the newest version.20:43
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Dhraakellianhmm... why would microb not be loading pages?20:55
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CableTwitchWhat connection, GPRS or wifi?20:57
MohammadAGachipa, any chance to have libqtm12 beta in the repos?20:58
CableTwitchIs the creator of the wifi selector app in here?20:58
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DhraakellianCableTwitch: wifi21:06
Dhraakellianthe cylon under the URLbar just keeps going back and forth21:06
CableTwitchOdd. I sometimes get issues via GPRS21:06
Dhraakellianother webbrowsers work21:07
Dhraakellianwell, they load pages21:07
Dhraakellianbut have their other annoyances21:07
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Dhraakellianand I ought to be wandering off21:07
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achipaMohammadAG: in devel or in extras proper ?21:58
smackpotatbye   bye 810 im a owner of a new  playbook21:58
smackpotatyou were  a true andd faathfull freind21:59
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MohammadAGachipa, devel22:25
MohammadAGachipa, there's tp1 in there, but that's old and has outdated APIs22:25
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Venemo_N900good evening22:26
achipaMohammadAG: there is a single reason the beta is not in extras-devel: it doesn't have a tag on gitorious22:26
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achipaMohammadAG: if a tag doesn't materialize by the time I get back to Finland, I'll probably just make a git pull and publish whatever is there22:27
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: what's up with that weird bug?22:27
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MohammadAGachipa, I see...22:31
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, which one?22:31
MohammadAGraster's borked in Qt 4.7.2, at least on device22:31
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: text selection in Qt22:31
MohammadAGgraphics system was borked by someone22:32
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug22:32
MohammadAGyes, I know22:32
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DocScrutinizer~seen raster22:51
infobotraster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 8d 10h 53m 40s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer:  docz!'.22:51
DocScrutinizermhm, he's working on fedora now?22:52
ShadowJKisn't he still at samsung?22:54
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-30 21:32:26] <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug22:54
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DocScrutinizerI'd guess he's still in .kr and at Samsung22:56
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so Samsung broke Qt!23:27
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frozen_dehi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music?23:28
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: lol23:28
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: we were talking about Qt's raster graphics system23:28
Venemo_N900anyway, good night guys :)23:28
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mc_teo~seen mc_teo23:29
infobotmc_teo is currently on #maemo (4h 33m 51s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: '~seen mc_teo'.23:29
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, can i PM u?23:41
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cityLightsback again23:45
cityLightsso I tested dbus-scripts while on the road23:46
cityLightsand I cant get the calenderdb change event23:46
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cityLightsso I think I must catch it in my program23:46
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frozen_dehi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music?23:54
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lcukfrozen_de, most people use the fmtx component23:58
lcukand then have to faff with the phone to change tracks instead of incar controls but that is by the by23:59

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