IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-04-30

DocScrutinizer	if that's actually the case then that's a flaw that's hard to fix. Just avoid changing profile during call then	00:00
cityLights	and then if I switch back to general the audio restarts again	00:00
cityLights	MohammadAG: good night , can you help me do this in python?	00:01
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cityLights	I looked at https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py	00:01
cityLights	only method relevant I found is https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py	00:01
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cityLights	I also saw this http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/shared/mafw_support.py	00:03
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cityLights	but can't really tell what it means	00:03
DocScrutinizer	actually switching profiles during a call is a rather bizarre idea. Could happen accidentally by automatic profile switchers, so the profile switcher should catch that situation and postpone the actaul switching til after call finished	00:03
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MohammadAG	cityLights, I suck at python :/	00:09
cityLights	is shapeshifter better?	00:10
cityLights	~seen shapeshifter	00:10
infobot	shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 8h 21m 35s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 6h 11m 40s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'.	00:10
cityLights	shapeshifter: can you shade light on using python-mafw?	00:10
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cityLights	to get volume level	00:11
MohammadAG	probably	00:12
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cityLights	I wonder if he is in a close time zone	00:13
MohammadAG	what's wrong with using DBus?	00:13
MohammadAG	in the end, that's what mafw does	00:13
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cityLights	I can do os.system() but I am not sure how to handle the return value	00:16
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cityLights	and would do it the "right way"	00:16
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cityLights	I do find it hard using some python modules with little documatioin	00:16
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DocScrutinizer	aah still about that meeting profile switcher?	00:20
cityLights	yes	00:20
cityLights	MohammadAG: you said you know how to do it in C	00:21
cityLights	do you use mafw-gst-eq-renderer?	00:21
cityLights	and mafw_extension_get_property	00:21
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DocScrutinizer	cityLights: I honestly don't get it why you'd need mafw access or messing with volume, to switch profile on a certain time	00:24
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cityLights	assume I am having a call , and during that time a meeting begins	00:25
MohammadAG	cityLights, I showed you how I do it	00:25
MohammadAG	http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafw/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line337	00:25
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: yes, so you wait until call finished, then switch profile	00:25
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DocScrutinizer	you don't really want the device to switch profile during a call, as a call has its own profile anyway. That's why switching profile during a call does weird things	00:27
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DocScrutinizer	actually that's a flaw in profile switcher (lib?) which should postpone the real switching to another mixer setting until after call has finished. I'm quite sure Nokia missed that "race condition"	00:29
cityLights	I also had a better question	00:29
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DocScrutinizer	so you should do it in your own app, check if a call is in progress, and if yess then wait until you see call-finished on dbus, then set your new profile	00:29
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cityLights	can I leave a hook to call a function after a program terminates?	00:30
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DocScrutinizer	umm, not generally	00:31
cityLights	assume I want my program to run when even the calender db is changed	00:31
cityLights	must I use dbus-script to hunt this call?	00:31
DocScrutinizer	you can use inotify to get a callback on files changing	00:31
DocScrutinizer	you can use a wrapper around specific apps to call something after main app finished	00:32
DocScrutinizer	you can poll ps to tell when a process finished	00:32
cityLights	I want the program to quit, and only leave when a meeting is about to start OR the calender db is changed	00:32
DocScrutinizer	but I'm not aware of any means other than monitor like strace/gdb to get a notification at quit of an arbitrary process	00:32
DocScrutinizer	calendar db changed is easily catchable via inotify	00:33
GAN900	Jaffa, can you easily figure out who wrote what percentage of each article (excepting C&P quotes) from EtherPad?	00:34
DocScrutinizer	see how e.g trackerd is montitoring files and whole directories for any change	00:34
GAN900	Then use that to decide who to attribute.	00:34
GAN900	(or is that just waaay overcomplicating things. . . .)	00:34
DocScrutinizer	lo gan	00:35
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GAN900	Hey-ho	00:35
cityLights	question is how is more expensive inotify or dbus-scripts	00:37
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cityLights	well I guess I'll wait for some one that knows how to change the volume from python	00:38
cityLights	and read it	00:38
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DocScrutinizer	cityLights: so you set up an inotify monitor on calendar.db file, and every time you get notification it has changed you can scan it for events that have a 'magic' comment like "Xprofile=meeting"	00:39
DocScrutinizer	then you pass the change-profile alarm events to alarmed, after deleting your old ones	00:40
DocScrutinizer	done you are	00:40
DocScrutinizer	the change-profile_during_call issue is a bug that should get handled in whatever system actually is dealing with the profile stuff in maemo	00:41
cityLights	I need to learn about inotify	00:41
cityLights	I guess its a service that needs to be running	00:41
DocScrutinizer	inotify is some sort of kernel service I think	00:41
DocScrutinizer	actually ilesystem	00:41
cityLights	question is how expensive it is	00:42
DocScrutinizer	it's really cheap, best you can get	00:42
DocScrutinizer	man 7 inotify	00:42
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DocScrutinizer	>>The inotify API provides a mechanism for monitoring file system events. Inotify can be used to monitor individual files, or to monitor directories. When a directory is monitored, inotify will return events for the directory itself, and for files inside the directory.	00:43
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cityLights	ok	00:44
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BCMM	cityLights: inotify isn't a daemon or anything; it's a kernel API	00:51
cityLights	ok	00:51
BCMM	the kernel itself notifies you when a file is modified, and no polling happens	00:51
BCMM	presumably, it hooks directly into file access stuff or something	00:52
BCMM	doesn't matter, point is there is no polling and therefore effectively 0 overhead	00:52
DocScrutinizer51	yup, fs inodes	00:52
DocScrutinizer51	I'd guess	00:52
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cehteh	well it eats some kernel resources (memory) when you watch many files	00:53
BCMM	i did say "effectively" :)	00:53
DocScrutinizer51	yes, really lighweight and best you can get except direct notification from the process that changes that file	00:53
BCMM	Beagle desktop search is often configured to have inotify watches on a user's entire home directory (so it knows when to update search indices), and this doesn't seem to cause any trouble	00:53
cityLights	ok , got that , can anyone please help me get the volume level in python?	00:54
cityLights	I am lost in google with	00:54
cityLights	Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer	00:54
cityLights	Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin gives me an equlizer plugin	00:55
BCMM	cityLights: have a look at phone-control	00:55
cityLights	need I find a gstremer answer?	00:55
cityLights	yes, I am looking to use python-mafw	00:55
BCMM	it gets and sets the volume level using dbus-send	00:55
BCMM	oh, sorry	00:55
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cityLights	mafw_object = bus.get_object('com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer','/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer')	00:56
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BCMM	also, i think i was wrong and it only sets	00:56
cityLights	but am stuck beyond this	00:56
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DocScrutinizer51	BCMM: nah, gets as well	00:57
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: how?	00:57
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DocScrutinizer51	isn't it in phonecontrol yet?	00:57
DocScrutinizer51	thought I added it	00:58
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DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_volume	00:59
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to be in /usr/bin/phone-control, i meant	01:05
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: I did the fancy to try and change profile during call. Waht's the problem you're facing?	01:05
DocScrutinizer	meh	01:05
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: worked flawlessly for me	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	I changed the profile via status menu	01:07
DocScrutinizer	several times, to different profiles, incl silent	01:07
DocScrutinizer	speakerphone continued without any problem, silent mode took effect on everything (except phonecall of course) when I tested it after call ended	01:10
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: so what's your problem? why do you need to mess around with volume setting, on changing profile?	01:11
cityLights	pls try issueing the profile change from a terminal using the dbus-send	01:12
DocScrutinizer	ok	01:12
DocScrutinizer	will do	01:13
* telmich has the problem since today that I don't hear anything on a phonecall, nor does the other side hear me		01:13
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telmich	I've checked the volume control, but did not see any obvious problem - any hint on what me be wrong?	01:13
lcuk	telmich, are you holding phone the right way round?	01:13
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telmich	lcuk: erm...hope so very much	01:14
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telmich	retry	01:15
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: damn, that's broken even to start with listing of available profiles	01:15
lcuk	telmich, am jesting, have you given a reboot a try?	01:15
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telmich	weired	01:16
telmich	lcuk: now it work, yes, tried rebooting before	01:16
telmich	and i can hear the sound clearly, i.e. it's loud enough to be heard indpendent of the phone rotation	01:16
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MohammadAG	Unity's not that bad tbh	01:20
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: please can you check which one of PR1.3 or CSSU is causing breakage of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles	01:21
MohammadAG	none	01:22
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I defined new profiles with tweakr, I can select them as usual via status menu, but they don't show up in that dbus call anymore	01:22
MohammadAG	Why blame the CSSU? profiled's closed	01:22
DocScrutinizer	they do on my pr1.2PK system	01:23
MohammadAG	Then it's probably PR1.3	01:23
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DocScrutinizer	OUCH!!!!	01:23
MohammadAG	oh	01:23
MohammadAG	you said or CSSU	01:23
GAN900	I wish they hadn't used those horrible icons.	01:23
MohammadAG	it's not the CSSU then :p	01:23
MohammadAG	again profiled's closed source afaik	01:23
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MohammadAG	and even if it was open, I never changed anything	01:24
GAN900	Stupid squares are hard to differentiate.	01:24
MohammadAG	GAN900, unity?	01:24
DocScrutinizer	well whatever it is, it worked e.g in alarmed to switch profiles to user custom profiles. Now I'm stuck with fsckng "general" and "silent"	01:25
MohammadAG	to me it looks like they went with a Windows 7-ish style launcher	01:25
DocScrutinizer	first of all, can you confirm please?	01:25
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DocScrutinizer	might be just me and a borked database or sth	01:26
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MohammadAG	sure	01:26
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cityLights	DocScrutinizer: thnaks for all your help	01:27
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: yw. Thanks for pushing my nose into this annoying bug	01:27
cityLights	I am still strugelling with pythona dn dbus and get volume level	01:27
cityLights	how to fix it?	01:27
cityLights	need I report it?	01:28
DocScrutinizer	no clue yet. I ran into that http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles bug halfway to trying to confirm your bug. Both might well be related	01:28
cityLights	haha	01:29
cityLights	found it!	01:29
cityLights	persistence is good	01:29
cityLights	and a speller also	01:30
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure tweakr doesn't add a profile to profiled	01:32
DocScrutinizer	hmm, yet it does here	01:32
cityLights	may I add this to the wiki? or to publish in talk?	01:33
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MohammadAG	anyway, yeah, only returns general and silent	01:34
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DocScrutinizer	this quite effectively breaks whole profile function	01:37
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DocScrutinizer	MMPF!!! on t900 (pr1.2+++) it also returns solent and general only, yet alarmed knows about my custom profiles	01:39
DocScrutinizer	so we'd need to ask Shapeshifter how he managed to accomplish this miracle	01:40
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DocScrutinizer	aside from that dbus-call seems has always been borked	01:40
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cityLights	sorry	01:41
DocScrutinizer	yet something different broke from pr1.2 -> pr1.3.3.7	01:41
cityLights	but I do want to report it - may I	01:41
cityLights	?	01:41
DocScrutinizer	that something is what shapeshifter is using to determine his profiles offered for switching-profile function	01:42
DocScrutinizer	report what exactly?	01:42
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: of course you're free to report whatever you like, anytime you like. I just want to make sure your report is actually helping to trace down and fix the root cause	01:43
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: which profiles you got to switch between them?	01:43
cityLights	silent and general	01:44
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	01:44
cityLights	but I must to this tommorow	01:44
cityLights	just dont let me forget	01:44
DocScrutinizer	nah, we'll pick that up tomorrow for sure. I need to get me a beer in my pub now	01:45
cityLights	cheers mate	01:46
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DocScrutinizer	if anybody's wondering what to do to fight the boredom: there's Shapeshifter's alarmed app waiting to have a look into it to find how the profiles there are obtained and manage to show the user profiles created by tweakr, while the dbus-call recommended there http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles fails to do that	01:48
DocScrutinizer	cheers, bbl	01:48
DocScrutinizer	s/manage to show/managed (in PR1.2) to show/	01:49
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DocScrutinizer	on a lower hurdle, anybody with a plain PR1.3 could install tweakr, create a custom profile, install alarmed and see if that profile is shown in "new event switch profile" in alarmed	01:51
MohammadAG	again, profiled's closed...	01:52
DocScrutinizer	nevertheless	01:53
DocScrutinizer	I noticed the status menu profile switching broke when I changed the icon sequence in status bar	01:54
DocScrutinizer	so while profiled may be closed and unchanged, anything else may cause this problem with profiled	01:55
DocScrutinizer	I got two systems here, one is working, the other one not. It's normal to try and narrow down what exactly caused the break	01:57
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DocScrutinizer	anyway, l8r	01:58
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kwtm	MohammadAG: So, continuing our conversation from #ubuntu, how do I "apt-get --download-only install" my N900 *.deb packages so that I can retain them instead of having them disappear in a puff of smoke? I intend to store them on my home system so that, if for some reason I lose Net connectivity on the N900, I can still reinstall by packages without needing an accessible Maemo repository.	02:23
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MohammadAG	kwtm, you want to clone the whole repo?	02:24
MohammadAG	apt-mirror afaik, merlin1991 should know about that	02:24
MohammadAG	I keep my /var/cache/apt/archives on MyDocs, reflashing + restoring doesn't take more than 30 mins	02:25
kwtm	MohammadAG: No, just the packages I download. I mean, I downloaded them, I might as well hang on to them if I've got room on the 1TB drive so I don't have to download them again.	02:25
kwtm	MohammadAG: Wait, /var/cache/apt/archives exists? I thought the N900 automagically Houdini'd them afterward "for better efficiency".	02:26
kwtm	Just like how the man files disappear.	02:26
MohammadAG	kwtm, well, not if you use HAM	02:26
MohammadAG	actually there's a way to disable purging packages by HAM	02:27
MohammadAG	not in the GUI though	02:27
kwtm	MohammadAG: Oh, so manual "apt-get install" will preserve them, then?	02:27
MohammadAG	and yeah, it exists	02:27
MohammadAG	1.4G MyDocs/archives	02:27
MohammadAG	yep	02:28
MohammadAG	just move them to MyDocs, / won't hold a lot of packages :P	02:28
kwtm	Good to know. Thx!	02:30
MohammadAG	kwtm, apt-get --reinstall -d install $(dpkg -l \| grep ii \| grep -v \<none\> \| awk '{print $2}' \| xargs)	02:30
MohammadAG	that will download all debs for installed packages	02:30
MohammadAG	keep in mind that includes preinstalled stuff	02:30
MohammadAG	(calculator, maps etc)	02:30
GeneralAntilles	MohammadAG: yeah, Unity.	02:30
MohammadAG	for user packages apt-get -d --reinstall install $(maemo-list-user-packages \| awk '{print $1}' \| xargs)	02:31
MohammadAG	GeneralAntilles, icons are windows 7-y	02:31
MohammadAG	but I kinda like it	02:32
kwtm	Thx.	02:32
GeneralAntilles	The squares are terrible.	02:32
GeneralAntilles	Makes it hard to tell between icons.	02:32
GeneralAntilles	You need shapes as well as colors.	02:32
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BCMM	is it wrong to write an app that abuses the icon set? i want to use sketch_brush1.png as a bullet point	03:26
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anathaema	well, the newest pyradio works again	04:08
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anathaema	you know the n900 isn't all that great at being a phone	04:08
anathaema	mind you i love mine	04:09
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anathaema	but "phone" isn't it's strong point	04:09
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Tronic	anathaema: It isn't perfect but from what I hear, it still beats WP7 hands down.	04:12
anathaema	it's an awesome handheld linux pc	04:12
anathaema	that's what i bought it for and it delivers	04:12
anathaema	with a vibrant open source community behind it	04:13
Tronic	There's no question about that but my point is that it is also a pretty good phone if not counting the lousy battely life.	04:13
anathaema	actually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram if i have too much software running	04:14
Tronic	Better address book than many other phones have, support for vcards (this appears to be missing from Apple products), easy access to phone from home screen (missing from most smartphones), automatic recording of phonecalls with no beeps or length limitations...	04:15
anathaema	i'm wanting to integrate a pandaboard into my gl1500 though which is based on the arm cortex A9 dual core 1ghz	04:15
anathaema	dunno what os i'll use yet	04:15
Tronic	For me there aren't that many options.	04:16
anathaema	i'm thinking of using meego on it	04:16
Tronic	I'll stick with Maemo for a long time but I'll get better hardware if possible.	04:16
anathaema	but i'm wondering if i could get maemo to run on a pandaboard and use the app base that the n900 already has	04:16
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Tronic	MeeGo might be an option in the future but it doesn't look too good at the moment.	04:17
wmarone_	unlikely, simply due to the core bits of maemo that are closed	04:17
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anathaema	that sucks	04:17
anathaema	i know some people run android on the pandaboard	04:17
wmarone_	you'd probably have better luck getting MeeGo going with Cordia, which looks a lot like maemo	04:17
anathaema	but i wanna stay away from google's fauxpen source :)	04:17
wmarone_	people run lots of stuff on the pandaboard	04:18
wmarone_	heh	04:18
anathaema	i'm wanting to hook a hmd tyo it	04:19
anathaema	and have maps and vital data on display	04:19
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wmarone_	I want to get meego going on my nook color, but the android-sewn kernel disaster is making it hard	04:19
Tronic	Btw, is there any way to improve Skype sound quality on N900?	04:21
Tronic	For some reason it is much worse than on desktop.	04:21
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Tronic	Also much worse than GSM.	04:22
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DocScrutinizer	( <anathaema> actually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram) impossible, the needed pocesses for calls all should be memlocked	04:50
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DocScrutinizer	Tronic: there's just so much you can do for skype - on any platform	04:53
DocScrutinizer	skype is crap. Take it or leave it	04:53
Tronic	It is by far the best voicecom app so until someone makes an open source voip system that actually works well, I will stick with the best one.	04:54
Tronic	The audio quality on desktop is very good so this seems to be a problem with N900.	04:55
Tronic	(or rather the Skype settings used on N900)	04:55
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Tronic	DocScrutinizer: About phone app starting too slowly, isn't pulseaudio using non-memlocked buffers?	04:56
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DocScrutinizer	Tronic: ask ebay about it. You can't do anything for skype, it's double-plus closed <everything> app	04:58
Tronic	http://forums.techarena.in/portable-devices/1392752.htm	04:59
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DocScrutinizer	Tronic: about pukeaudio I dunno much, except it doesn't need much buffers that had to get allocated realtime	05:00
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anathaema	i have a sipgate.com account and skype	05:33
anathaema	and i have lost calls before the pgone gui would come up when i was using fennec	05:33
anathaema	i stopped using fennec though	05:34
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nox-	yeah as someone else here said, `fennec eats ram like candy'	05:46
nox-	:/	05:46
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ihatehayfever	hi all	06:47
ihatehayfever	dooes anyone actually use this	06:48
ihatehayfever	tis my first time	06:48
ihatehayfever	Ok, fine	06:48
ihatehayfever	im leaving	06:49
ihatehayfever	good day to you sir	06:49
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dangergrrl	weenie	06:51
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keks-n	sup	08:31
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c2pLaY	hi all	09:00
c2pLaY	can't seem to get virtual keyboard working	09:00
c2pLaY	its turned on in settings	09:00
c2pLaY	on/off... multiple reboots etc..	09:01
c2pLaY	nokia n900	09:01
keks-n	What you have done befor it became broken?	09:02
c2pLaY	to my knowledge	09:02
c2pLaY	it has never worked	09:02
c2pLaY	just started trying to get it to work several hours ago	09:03
c2pLaY	yes several hours	09:03
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slonopotamus	hmm... what is responsible for saving message history on n900? i think i purged something that did that	09:04
c2pLaY	the shift+fn+cntrl brings up the special characters keyboard np	09:05
c2pLaY	made sure physical keyboard was closed	09:06
c2pLaY	im just at a loss	09:06
c2pLaY	anyone know how to start it up manually?	09:06
RST38h	"Chemicals are bad. Despite their omnipresence from the beginning of time, they are no longer safe. Even real researchers are starting to notice the possible voluntary stunting of science education that is occurring in the name of overreaching safety."	09:06
keks-n	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8kqjvvwFv0 - nya?	09:06
frals	slonopotamus: rtcom-el or smth like that	09:07
slonopotamus	frals: so the point is that everything works, however _new_ messages are not saved	09:09
frals	messed up permissions on ~/.rtcom-el maybe?	09:10
frals	theres a folder in ~ where its suppose to be saved anyway	09:10
slonopotamus	no, didn't touch permissions	09:11
slonopotamus	though apt-get purged some stuff that wasn't dependency of mr-fremantle-generic	09:11
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slonopotamus	meh.	09:14
slonopotamus	hmm... call history is also not recorded (and is empty)	09:16
frals	its all supposed to go to eventlogger database	09:18
slonopotamus	okay. what app is responsible for that?	09:19
slonopotamus	alternatively: is there unmerge log?	09:20
frals	i think its rtcom-eventlogger or rtcom-el or smth similar	09:21
slonopotamus	oh	09:22
slonopotamus	i don't have nokia messaging anywhere	09:22
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pupnik	wow nice http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide	10:51
cityLights	how can I make a program run when ever the calender db changes?	10:52
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cityLights	one way is to use dbus-scripts and listen in to db_calender_change	10:53
cityLights	another is to generate a file that will use inotify to run the command	10:54
cityLights	any better way?	10:54
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:46
SpeedEvil	Morning.	11:50
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phryk	Can I somehow get the data partition to be ext4 or something simliar? fat32 just sucks.	12:06
kerio	phryk: you can shrink the MyDocs partition	12:07
kerio	but then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps	12:07
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phryk	sucks	12:08
robbiethe1st	Isn't it possible to change the mount-string? Then, changing the MyDocs partition wouldn't matter; it'd still mount and programs would be none the wiser	12:08
phryk	robbiethe1st: mount-string?	12:09
SpeedEvil	phryk: What I did was to shrink mydocs to 5G, and then make a new data partition in ext3	12:09
phryk	you mean the fstab entry?	12:09
robbiethe1st	phryk: it would be nice if it was, but I doubt it's actually in there	12:09
kerio	i wish nokia dropped the pretenses and just admitted that the n900 was a phone for nerds, and just made it so	12:10
phryk	SpeedEvil: But the mydocs partition is the only one that shows up when using the device as usb mass storage, right?	12:10
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keks-n	>>but then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps	12:10
keks-n	Ehm... Symlinks?	12:10
SpeedEvil	yes	12:10
phryk	robbiethe1st: it is in there, but it seems to change back after reboot, so it's no use changing anything there as far as i can tel…	12:10
phryk	tell*	12:10
robbiethe1st	Yea.	12:10
kerio	keks-n: on fat32?	12:10
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robbiethe1st	I've heard that file's generated on boot	12:11
keks-n	hm	12:11
SpeedEvil	phryk: scp/rsync work fine for me	12:11
keks-n	OK, mount --bind	12:11
kerio	hrmpf	12:11
phryk	What if i mounted the ext partition on a mountpoint lying in the MyDocs dir?	12:11
kerio	still, i want a better file picker	12:11
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robbiethe1st	Also, it should be possible to expose multiple partitions to the USB-mass-storage mode	12:11
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kerio	i want a serial console through usb	12:16
kerio	like the sheevaplug does	12:16
robbiethe1st	kerio: Possible	12:17
robbiethe1st	easily	12:17
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robbiethe1st	um	12:17
kerio	i mean, during boot	12:17
kerio	a bootloader console	12:17
robbiethe1st	Well, it's certainly possible through Backupmenu, might be possible to add that command to a boot file	12:17
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kerio	the sheevaplug is made so that you can fuck up your bootloader and still recover it	12:18
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phryk	Just fucking awesome. MyDocs partition is fucked up. Being mounted read-only 'until errors are fixed'. fsck.vfat can't fix the problems. And since it's ro I can't manually delete the fault files. Fuck yeah, this is so awesome -.-	12:29
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kerio	connect to computer, fsck.vfat, ???, profit	12:31
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phryk	That is what I just DID.	12:31
phryk	And like I said fsck.vfat can't fix the problems.	12:31
dm8tbr	connect to computer, copy all files off, mkfs.vfat, copy back, ... , profit	12:32
kerio	you mean "???"	12:32
phryk	aren't there application files on that thing?	12:32
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kerio	phryk: so?	12:32
kerio	it's umounted from maemo when it's connected	12:32
phryk	ah	12:33
phryk	meh	12:33
phryk	i'll just kill the current fs completely… got nothing of value on it	12:33
phryk	worst case I gotta flash again…	12:33
kerio	don't do that	12:34
kerio	just flash	12:34
kerio	maemo requires a working vfat emmc	12:34
phryk	mhkay	12:35
kerio	*partition on the emmc	12:35
dm8tbr	so, just mkfs.vfat?	12:35
kerio	flash 1.3, and then cssu	12:35
phryk	ill try calling fsck.vfat with slightly more aggressive options first	12:35
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phryk	hey it worked :D	12:37
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RST38h	Efforts to increase the degree in which analysis references other events resulted in an incident whereby [DATA EXPUNGED], resulting in 3 researchers being euthanized.	12:56
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cityLights	can anyone pls think if I can do this better?	13:08
cityLights	http://dpaste.com/537450/	13:08
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cityLights	I am trying to hook the calender db change via inotify	13:11
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cityLights	~seen shapeshifter	13:14
infobot	shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 21h 26m 6s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 16m 11s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'.	13:14
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cityLights	well I hope some python coder will show up soon	13:18
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keks-n	Hi	13:59
keks-n	I have a problem with dput	13:59
keks-n	It says "Permission denied"	13:59
keks-n	Looks like that something is wrong with SSH-keys	14:00
jacekowski	yeah	14:00
jacekowski	you have to wait for keys to update	14:00
jacekowski	and you can only use rsa keys	14:00
jacekowski	dss keys don't work	14:00
keks-n	I used this command to generate it: ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048	14:01
keks-n	Is it ok?	14:02
keks-n	Oh	14:02
keks-n	I really had to wait	14:03
keks-n	It works now	14:03
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keks-n	Thanks	14:03
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cityLights	anyone care to help me with this inotify issue?	14:06
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jacekowski	what is the issue?	14:06
cityLights	I seek to call my script when the calender is changed	14:06
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cityLights	so I create a bash script that will hook on inotify and seek the calender file modify then issue my script	14:07
cityLights	this way my own python script quits	14:07
cityLights	and only the bash script is alive	14:07
jacekowski	then you do inotifywait -e modify filename	14:08
cityLights	or should I do in any other way	14:08
cityLights	right	14:08
jacekowski	in loop	14:08
cityLights	is this approch better then using dbus-scripts and filter th calender change msg?	14:09
jacekowski	well, you said inotify	14:09
cityLights	my aim is to hook calender db changes	14:11
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keks-n	Try to watch for files' access time	14:17
keks-n	Oh, you already do	14:19
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keks-n	But why you aren't using inotify_add_watch directly?	14:22
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cityLights	how?	14:26
cityLights	remeber that I intend to quit my own script and leave this script running	14:26
cityLights	or should I leave my own script running?	14:26
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keks-n	>>How?	14:29
keks-n	Is there no any analog of P/Invoke in python?	14:29
keks-n	>>or should I leave my own script running?	14:30
keks-n	Why not?	14:30
keks-n	It consumes too much RAM?	14:30
keks-n	If it's a problem, just write a simple C program	14:31
keks-n	It will use even less ram than bash or busybox	14:31
cityLights	ok	14:33
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cityLights	I need help setting the volume using python and dbus	14:42
cityLights	I do this	14:44
cityLights	http://dpaste.com/537463/	14:44
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MohammadAG	os.system sucks, use dbus-glib or something	15:34
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DocScrutinizer	os.system is fine if there's an existing cmdline binary doing exactly what you need, the binary is powerful and thus large in memsize, and the function you need in your program is only occasional and temporary. Then os.system will reduce both your development and testing load, and your program's avrg memory footprint	16:12
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DocScrutinizer	you do NOT want to follow this os.system scheme if the function you need has to be very fast and realtime in a sense of t_response<100ms (for a ballpark), or you are dealing with system critical stuff that must not fail ever	16:15
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mc_teo	i prefer to use subprocess module	16:19
mc_teo	all other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated	16:20
mc_teo	so move with the times, man	16:20
DocScrutinizer	typical candidates you do NOT want to call via os.system: echo (too simple and small), hdparm to park disk heads on free fall (too slow), shutdown (mustn't fail due to e.g low_on_ram condition) -- Typical candidates for a call via os.system: sed, grep, find...	16:21
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DocScrutinizer	mc_teo: well, I'm without any preferences regarding which construct you use in your program to call external binaries	16:22
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kerio	er... what?	17:00
kerio	no	17:00
kerio	you don't use os.system, period	17:00
kerio	use subprocess.Popen	17:00
kerio	or one of the subprocess helper functions	17:00
kerio	like check_output	17:00
mc_teo	i prefer to use subprocess module	17:00
mc_teo	all other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated	17:01
mc_teo	so move with the times, man	17:01
pupnik	no stick in the mud!	17:02
mc_teo	subprocess.call('command', shell=True) works also	17:03
RST38h	Python people and their arguments.	17:03
* RST38h sighs and goes outside		17:03
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kerio	mc_teo: ew, no	17:04
kerio	the point of subprocess is that you don't need to shell out	17:04
kerio	anything a shell can do, you can do with os.walk, glob and/or shutil	17:05
mc_teo	lol, subprocess is just a wrapper for all the other modules	17:05
mc_teo	like os.system	17:05
mc_teo	and popen	17:05
mc_teo	and commands module	17:05
kerio	subprocess uses the various os.popen*	17:05
kerio	but in a sensible way	17:05
mc_teo	how would you recommend using "dbus-send" then?	17:06
kerio	no, wait, on unix it uses os.execvp()	17:06
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kerio	huh... dbus-python?	17:06
mc_teo	i tried that	17:07
mc_teo	didnt work with mafs renderer	17:07
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mc_teo	mafw*	17:10
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GAN900	How's the Synaptics multitouch (2-, 3-, or 4-finger) support on Linux these days?	17:17
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kwtm	what's the bot's name in this channel?	17:35
psycho_oreos	infobot	17:35
kwtm	!male	17:36
kwtm	infobot is the female one, right?	17:36
kwtm	~male	17:36
kwtm	!female	17:36
kwtm	It's so hard to keep track of factoidlet-thingy's in various channels.	17:36
kwtm	~female	17:36
infobot	<BluefoxIcy> ibot female <ibot> BluefoxIcy: i haven't a clue	17:36
psycho_oreos	feeling rather sexy today/tonight?	17:36
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kwtm	Strange. Ok, commercial break over, back to our main program.	17:36
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DocScrutinizer	~chase kwtm	18:14
* infobot chases kwtm		18:14
DocScrutinizer	wtf	18:14
DocScrutinizer	~attack kwtm	18:14
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kwtm		18:14
DocScrutinizer	aah	18:14
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DocScrutinizer	kwtm: factoids are global usually	18:14
lardman	afternoon chaps	18:14
DocScrutinizer	(except on a very few channels where I asker Tim to set them local)	18:15
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GAN900	Hey, lardman.	18:15
lardman	hi GAN900 :)	18:15
kwtm	~attack after Michael Jackson for his autograph	18:16
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing after Michael Jackson for his autograph		18:16
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DocScrutinizer	funny enough factoid male doesn't exist at all	18:19
psycho_oreos	maybe she's not interested in males ;)	18:20
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cityLights	mc_teo: thnaks	18:28
cityLights	hi lardman	18:28
mc_teo	cityLights: for what?	18:28
cityLights	my question is this: I want my program to be run every time the calender db is changed	18:29
cityLights	I know of two options: 1. dbus-scripts and look for the calenderdb change msg	18:30
mc_teo	like instantly?	18:30
cityLights	yes	18:30
mc_teo	then use dbus scripts	18:30
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cityLights	2. create a bash script from my program and run it. this bash script will run inotify to watch a modify in the calender file and then run my program	18:31
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cityLights	3. listen to the dbus msg from my program and leave it running	18:31
mc_teo	1	18:31
mc_teo	just do it	18:31
cityLights	1 and 2 offer the option of quitting my program	18:31
cityLights	my program is very light	18:32
cityLights	so waht is the benefit of 1 vs 3?	18:32
mc_teo	1 remains after restart	18:32
mc_teo	3 has to be configured to do so	18:32
mc_teo	to be ran each boot	18:33
mc_teo	dbus-scripts take care of all that	18:33
mc_teo	dbus-scripts were made for that kind of thing	18:33
mc_teo	and means using existing framework	18:34
mc_teo	which is like +3 to solution 1	18:34
mc_teo	so i need more?	18:34
mc_teo	do*	18:34
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cityLights	but if I want to remove this program , I need to remove the dbus-scripts line and restart the deamon	18:35
cityLights	right?	18:35
DocScrutinizer	if there's a convenient dbus signal, then that's of course the best solution to use dbus-scripting	18:35
DocScrutinizer	remove as in uninstall?	18:36
cityLights	ok DocScrutinizer	18:36
mc_teo	cityLights: just add it to postrm	18:36
cityLights	postrm?	18:36
mc_teo	and thats like two commands, so no biggy	18:36
DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure you need to restart dbus-scripting daemon	18:37
cityLights	right	18:37
DocScrutinizer	.deb postrm script	18:37
mc_teo	cityLights: debian install archives have a postrm, which is like a shell script, ran after uninstallation	18:37
cityLights	mc_teo: can you help me this look better: http://dpaste.com/537463/http://dpaste.com/537463/	18:37
mc_teo	to clean up any other resources	18:38
cityLights	ok, now i remember	18:38
cityLights	in fact any one here that uses python and dbus may help with this	18:38
cityLights	http://dpaste.com/537463/	18:38
cityLights	I am sure this could look better	18:38
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cityLights	second question: I used mdbus2 to see this msg	18:39
cityLights	[SIGNAL] com.nokia.calendar.dbChange /com/nokia/calendar :1.119	18:39
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cityLights	( "CALENDAR-UI:1:EVENT:DELETED:1:447,", "CALENDAR-UI" )	18:39
cityLights	how to catch this signal	18:40
cityLights	?	18:40
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mc_teo	i cant get python-dbus to work at all	18:42
DocScrutinizer	use dbus-monitor, it has a printout somewhat more in line with what you need for dbus-scripting	18:43
mc_teo	dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files	18:43
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DocScrutinizer	cityLights:	18:49
DocScrutinizer	signal sender=:1.1853 -> dest=(null destination) serial=17 path=/com/nokia/calendar; interface=com.nokia.calendar; member=dbChange	18:49
DocScrutinizer	string "CALENDAR-UI:1:EVENT:ADDED:1"	18:49
DocScrutinizer	string "CALENDAR-UI"	18:49
DocScrutinizer	you want to test in dbus-scripting for path=/com/nokia/calendar; interface=com.nokia.calendar; member=dbChange	18:49
cityLights	fixed: http://dpaste.com/537505/	18:49
cityLights	thank you very much	18:50
cityLights	import mafw was missing	18:51
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CableTwitch	Yo.	19:47
CableTwitch	Haven't been in here in a while :O)	19:47
pronto\|	:O gasp	19:48
CableTwitch	?	19:48
pronto\|	shrugs	19:48
CableTwitch	I has a question (because as usual, something isn't working properly). What would cause a recently rebooted N900 to stutter? No issues beforehand, although the reason for the reboot was that the LED was displaying weirdly while charging.	19:49
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DocScrutinizer	ummm	19:52
DocScrutinizer	hi CableTwitch	19:53
maybeArgh	solar flares?	19:53
CableTwitch	Hey Doc. Might you have any ideas?	19:53
RST38h	tracker?	19:54
DocScrutinizer	stuttering is less of a concern to me than the remark about LED and charging	19:54
RST38h	apt-worker?	19:54
CableTwitch	Don't tell me my hardware is on the fritz again.	19:54
CableTwitch	This makes me doubleplus unhappy.	19:54
CableTwitch	Swapping between running apps is dog-slow, with much lag.	19:55
DocScrutinizer	well, the LED patterns are programmed once (on starting the pattern) to LP5523 chip, then should run as they're meant to do	19:55
CableTwitch	LED works fine now. What WAS happening was the yellow and red were not displaying during the orange chanrging pulsing.	19:55
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CableTwitch	Green was displaying weakly as a pulse, which I presume is part of the colour mix.	19:56
DocScrutinizer	nope, not really	19:56
CableTwitch	Hmm.	19:57
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CableTwitch	I recently installed, then uninstalled that advanced clock app. It's gone bandy since uninstall.	19:57
DocScrutinizer	oops, of course yellow == green+red	19:58
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CableTwitch	Dun, yes. Blue wasn't on (obviously), red was not showing, green was.	19:58
CableTwitch	Dun = Duh	19:58
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CableTwitch	I have noticed a tiny flicker of red when I disconnect the charger though...	19:59
DocScrutinizer	hmm, normal	19:59
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DocScrutinizer	I'd think your system is bitrotten somehow	19:59
CableTwitch	How would I find out what is causing the slowdown?	20:00
DocScrutinizer	stutter on audio also can be caused by heavy load	20:00
DocScrutinizer	as is slowdown	20:00
DocScrutinizer	use htop	20:00
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MohammadAG	nah, it also happens here	20:00
MohammadAG	(red flicker)	20:00
CableTwitch	Haven't tried audio, I'll do that when I'm not on the train.	20:01
CableTwitch	Hey Mo	20:01
* MohammadAG is interested in knowing why the battery empty sound always stutters		20:01
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DocScrutinizer	blame pukeaudio	20:02
CableTwitch	Task switching is where it's really evident, but it also happens when changing desktop.	20:02
RST38h	Mohammad: not here	20:02
RST38h	but yes it does happen nowand then	20:02
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DocScrutinizer	CableTwitch: use htop, find out about system load and unusually active processes	20:03
CableTwitch	Sometimes it requires a double press to change tasks, when the small windows are displayed.	20:03
CableTwitch	Also, remember, I'm useless when it comes to the actual OS on this thing (Which is why I ask the smart people :O)	20:04
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DocScrutinizer	open browser windows are a major suspect, esp when flash or js is on the page displayed	20:04
CableTwitch	Lemme kill the browser then.	20:04
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CableTwitch	Nope, still doing it. Sometimes stutter when bringing the window to focus as well. Only xchat running as an active app.	20:05
DocScrutinizer	mhm, a killall browserd sometimes does wonders	20:05
DocScrutinizer	use htop	20:05
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CableTwitch	-sh: htop: not found	20:07
CableTwitch	Now, I'll be honest. I have no idea what I'm doing with the command line, so any commands you throw at me... well, please may I have the syntax as well? :O)	20:08
DocScrutinizer	apt-get install htop	20:08
cityLights	DocScrutinizer: can you spare a min helpping me to figure out how to write the dbus-scripts line?	20:09
DocScrutinizer	oh, and of course you want to do 'root' before	20:09
DocScrutinizer	cityLights: not really as I'm in a hurry	20:09
cityLights	anyonw else ?	20:10
cityLights	I will try you later dude	20:10
CableTwitch	htop shows just under 15% CPU utilised, About half the RAM.	20:11
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DocScrutinizer	cityLights: maybe this helps: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=900108&highlight=playswoosh#post900108	20:14
cityLights	thnaks you are a sweetheart	20:15
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CableTwitch	I dunno. How many processes regarding browserd should there normally be with no browser open?	20:20
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cityLights	bye for now, time to ride	20:21
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DocScrutinizer	CableTwitch: that's weird (15%, 50%mem) browserd will linger around with several instances	20:22
CableTwitch	Should I try and kill em, or are they required?	20:22
DocScrutinizer	they'll restart if you killall them, they're needed for some things to startup quickly	20:23
CableTwitch	Hmm.	20:23
CableTwitch	Maybe I could try another reboot.	20:24
DocScrutinizer	bbl	20:24
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CableTwitch	5 for RTComMessagingServer, another 5 for browserui, and 2 are just browserd	20:25
DocScrutinizer	might be threads	20:26
CableTwitch	Hmm. Only xchat and xterm running.	20:26
DocScrutinizer	F2 - display options - [x] Display threads in a different color	20:28
CableTwitch	And how does one emulate the F keys? I've never needed that until now.	20:29
DocScrutinizer	ESC-2	20:30
CableTwitch	Ok	20:30
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CableTwitch	Done. What am I looking for?	20:32
DocScrutinizer	might show what those multiple instances of browserd are really	20:33
DocScrutinizer	o/	20:33
DocScrutinizer	bbl	20:33
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CableTwitch	Cheers for the assistance, Doc :O)	20:33
CableTwitch	Catch you later.	20:33
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CableTwitch	Well bugger, I think I know what might have caused it.	20:37
CableTwitch	<-- This idiot playing with the lock slider during the previous boot sequence.	20:37
CableTwitch	Rebooted just now, and presto! All good.	20:37
CableTwitch	Mental note:- Do NOT piss about with the phone when booting. Bad things happen, and make Cable cry.	20:38
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MohammadAG	crap, Ubuntu 11.04 broke scratchbox	20:40
RST38h	no wonder	20:40
CableTwitch	Me, or Mo?	20:41
MohammadAG	dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386:	20:42
MohammadAG	scratchbox-core:i386 depends on python.	20:42
MohammadAG	python is already the newest version.	20:43
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Dhraakellian	hmm... why would microb not be loading pages?	20:55
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CableTwitch	What connection, GPRS or wifi?	20:57
MohammadAG	achipa, any chance to have libqtm12 beta in the repos?	20:58
CableTwitch	Is the creator of the wifi selector app in here?	20:58
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Dhraakellian	CableTwitch: wifi	21:06
Dhraakellian	the cylon under the URLbar just keeps going back and forth	21:06
CableTwitch	Odd. I sometimes get issues via GPRS	21:06
Dhraakellian	other webbrowsers work	21:07
Dhraakellian	well, they load pages	21:07
Dhraakellian	but have their other annoyances	21:07
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Dhraakellian	and I ought to be wandering off	21:07
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achipa	MohammadAG: in devel or in extras proper ?	21:58
smackpotat	bye bye 810 im a owner of a new playbook	21:58
smackpotat	you were a true andd faathfull freind	21:59
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MohammadAG	achipa, devel	22:25
MohammadAG	achipa, there's tp1 in there, but that's old and has outdated APIs	22:25
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Venemo_N900	good evening	22:26
achipa	MohammadAG: there is a single reason the beta is not in extras-devel: it doesn't have a tag on gitorious	22:26
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achipa	MohammadAG: if a tag doesn't materialize by the time I get back to Finland, I'll probably just make a git pull and publish whatever is there	22:27
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: what's up with that weird bug?	22:27
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MohammadAG	achipa, I see...	22:31
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, which one?	22:31
MohammadAG	raster's borked in Qt 4.7.2, at least on device	22:31
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: text selection in Qt	22:31
MohammadAG	graphics system was borked by someone	22:32
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug	22:32
MohammadAG	yes, I know	22:32
Venemo_N900	mhm	22:32
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DocScrutinizer	~seen raster	22:51
infobot	raster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 8d 10h 53m 40s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer: docz!'.	22:51
DocScrutinizer	mhm, he's working on fedora now?	22:52
ShadowJK	isn't he still at samsung?	22:54
DocScrutinizer	[2011-04-30 21:32:26] <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug	22:54
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DocScrutinizer	;-)	22:54
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DocScrutinizer	I'd guess he's still in .kr and at Samsung	22:56
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, so Samsung broke Qt!	23:27
MohammadAG	:P	23:27
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frozen_de	hi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music?	23:28
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: lol	23:28
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Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: we were talking about Qt's raster graphics system	23:28
Venemo_N900	anyway, good night guys :)	23:28
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mc_teo	~seen mc_teo	23:29
infobot	mc_teo is currently on #maemo (4h 33m 51s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: '~seen mc_teo'.	23:29
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ZogG	DocScrutinizer, can i PM u?	23:41
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cityLights	back again	23:45
cityLights	so I tested dbus-scripts while on the road	23:46
cityLights	and I cant get the calenderdb change event	23:46
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cityLights	so I think I must catch it in my program	23:46
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frozen_de	hi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music?	23:54
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lcuk	frozen_de, most people use the fmtx component	23:58
lcuk	and then have to faff with the phone to change tracks instead of incar controls but that is by the by	23:59

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