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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/dash-express-powered-by-openmokos-neo-open-source-hardware-plat/ | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.engadget.com/tag/dash+express | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there were times I've seen more engineers running with a dash in their hands than with a Freerunner, in OM TPE labs | 00:20 |
| Sicelo | congrats to om | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reason for sarcasm, the speed data is anonymized and strictly used to detect traffic jam | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and afaik you even have to opt-in | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what tomtom made of it | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's even been tomtom who bought dash inc | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | om only built the hw | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the OS | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Right. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Anonymised. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Now - if a law enforcement agency approaches the company and says 'we know there are speeders in this data - give us the names.' | 00:28 |
| kerio | "We don't have them" | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry no names here | 00:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: <3 | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | They do have home addresses. | 00:29 |
| kerio | not if they drop the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes of every trip | 00:29 |
| kerio | or something like that | 00:29 |
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| kerio | or, even better, just aggregate the data | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | they aren't using traces, they just use speed/location tuples they immediately strip from all the individual data | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, they aggregate | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also I' m not sure if they do send data at all that's not exactly interesting for their service. I mean why should they want to know you are driving 60 or 80 mph in an urban area. They are just interested in learning about traffic jam, so probably the device sends adat when speed is *below* a certain road-dependent average threshold | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | no use in thousands of devices spamming them with "all ok here" msgs | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and in the end dash as well as tomtom is linux based, so it shouldn't be hard to find out about details | 00:44 |
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| astruasdh | please, guys... to call other states where I live, it is needed to put an operator code. Is it possible to do it in nokia n900? | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: as in "N900 automatically adds 4711 to beginning of each number dialed via GSM"? | 01:07 |
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| astruasdh | DocScrutinizer, I'm confused... I tried to manually change all number using a regexp, but it has broken the database hehe... maybe I forgot some pattern | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: I suggesat exporting all contacts to vcard, then editing there and reimport. Way simpler than messing around with that friggin sqlite db | 01:23 |
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| astruasdh | addressbook.db is an sqlite database? is it possible to send some sql? | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's possible to use sqlite3 frontend | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I always found it's quite clumsy an interface | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly exporting to vcf/vcard then using plain sed is way simpler | 01:27 |
| astruasdh | got it | 01:27 |
| astruasdh | ty | 01:27 |
| astruasdh | export to vcard, then remove all contacts | 01:27 |
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| astruasdh | and then import the changed vcard... is it ok? | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds about like what I'd do | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | except I'd start a backup via backup app prior to all that ;-) | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (or maybe I'd not, as I'm doing an outomated rsync to my PC every night ;-D) | 01:42 |
| astruasdh | worked | 01:42 |
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| astruasdh | ty | 01:42 |
| astruasdh | :) | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 01:42 |
| astruasdh | that is the best part of linux-based os | 01:42 |
| astruasdh | you can do whatever u want | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | No, you can't. | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can do whatever you want, that you have the skills and time and inclination to add. | 01:43 |
| astruasdh | ya | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Some things will practically be beyond anyone. | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - if a bit of software requires 5 man-years of effort. | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like that FOSS dialer-ui community replacement | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 man-months of development and debugging/test, after 4.75 man-years of RE to figure how to interface to that other closed proprietary shit | 01:50 |
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| flat` | anyone awake? | 02:26 |
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| Hydreee | Hi everyone, can I get some help here? I've just started getting my feet wet with linux for a couple of days now and I've run into a stumbling block... | 02:33 |
| Hydreee | I need to change the /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf file to look for the correct device on boot. To do this, I need to replace the entry “root=/dev/sdb2″ to say “root=/dev/sda2″. | 02:34 |
| Hydreee | Now I have no idea how to do this, I'm a complete linux newb here! arghhhh!! haha | 02:34 |
| Hydreee | Who can help me? Please message me, thanks. | 02:34 |
| Hydreee | #help | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 03:03 |
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| MohammadAG | so... my N900 no longer connects properly to my router | 03:05 |
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| MohammadAG | it gets an IP and all, but I can't ping any local or external hosts | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you ping the router? | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Any logs on router? | 03:06 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 03:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | check route | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | That too. | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | what's also weird is that I can't connect to BT devices when wifi's up | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm leaning towards HW problem | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | check /etc/resolv.conf for 127.0.0.1 | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | it's 127.0.0.1 | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | 3G works fine fwiw | 03:07 |
| sr71_ | anything in the arp cache? | 03:08 |
| orospakr | alas, I've jumped ship back to Android. :P | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 03:09 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not reflashing for this :P | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to keep a 3G connection up while testing wifi? | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | You can bring the wifi interface iup with ifconfig and iwconfig - if you get iwconfig onto the device | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | what about the opposite? | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | (a 3G connection while wifi's active) | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ICD fights. | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You can tether over USB to get 3G, and then still connect to the device over wifi | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | well, I just tried with my other router and it's the same | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Any errors indmesg? | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 03:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Other devices auth OK? | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | My next question would be 'what happens iif you turn ondebug mode in ICD' - but that has a subtle problem. | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | there was a weird "recoverable" onenand error, but that's unrelated | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:15 |
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| MohammadAG | [109252.042694] wlan0: associated | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | [109252.150268] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | looks right to me | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Is routes sane? | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | are | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | well, I never changed them | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | can you ping your router by IP | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | this happened to me the other day, a reboot fixed it but I'm interested in why it happens | 03:16 |
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| MohammadAG | 14 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | that's pinging the gateway | 03:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does ifconfig show thepackets going out? | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yep | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | iwconfig shows the right stuff? | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, don't have it installed, I'm guessing it's part of "iw"? | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | iwtools? | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | iw | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/phoneiw | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | for both rx and tx the values are 0 | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | the binary only | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | the rest looks fine to me | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | they should be 0 with no errors | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | morning | 03:51 |
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| MohammadAG | I hate how I can't debug status menu plugins easily | 04:04 |
| pupnik | hiya MohammadAG | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | hi pupnik | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ijtBvjgz | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | one of those is causing a segfault, but not initially | 04:05 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: for a second I htought I'll try to help you there, but then I saw the code :P | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | no chance I can find a segfault there :P | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, why? :P | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | every single function call is an api call I don't know :P | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, again it works when I call it at the start | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | but if it's called by the button click, hildon-status-menu segfaults | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | g_signal_connect (plugin->priv->button, "clicked", G_CALLBACK (battery_status_plugin_get_values), plugin); | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | looks fine to me | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm guessing it's something with pointers and stuff | 04:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wee, 11.04 ate my Firefox toolbar. | 04:19 |
| astruasdh | has anyone installed android in n900? | 04:20 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pointers are the root of all evil ;) | 04:21 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | how's a gchar freed? | 04:24 |
| pupnik | hooray for CSSU | 04:25 |
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| MohammadAG | so it's segfaulting on is_charging = libhal_device_get_property_bool (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_IS_CHARGING_KEY, NULL); | 04:40 |
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| smackpotatt | byebye nokia n810 hello playbook | 05:22 |
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| slonopotamus | what current n900 needs when charges from usb? | 07:45 |
| slonopotamus | i'm thinking about charging it from auto sound system usb port | 07:46 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... looks like it doesn't work. battery applet shows that it charges, however yellow led doesn't blink | 07:51 |
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| RST38h | needs at least 100mA? | 07:53 |
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| pupnik | a n900 with 5" screen and 2x bl4j batteries | 08:01 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: won't happen, weep now. | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: dunno, however, as i said, led doesn't blink in yellow :/ | 08:02 |
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| slonopotamus | meh, now i need car charger. DC-6 or DC-10? | 08:25 |
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| pupnik | is it sfw slonopotamus | 09:13 |
| slonopotamus | pupnik: sfw? | 09:14 |
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| keks-n | Wow | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: nice plan, I planned same thing for some hack with dialer-ui | 12:24 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer have you read what i asked you about? | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 12:28 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer the insider battery analog from mouser is restricted in israel, do you mind to buy it to me and i'll palpay you | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure I can handle that in a reasonable timespan | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering it, let you know | 12:30 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, not really that in a hurry | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin Israel | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that Russia is any better | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some activities, like sending a N900 over there... | 12:43 |
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| edheldil | ZogG: what is that "insider battery analog from mouser" ? Better battery for n900? | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe I've been waiting for that question. Was about to toss a pun about the funny wording | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG meant the backup battery for RTC solder-mounted inside the N900 | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the part that's supposed to power the clock for 12 months when main battery is removed or depleted. Which it probably would do if it wouldn't break for good after 6 month | 13:08 |
| edheldil | ahh. Too bad :) | 13:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, and that reminds me: My replacement battery(supercapacitor, actually), which you had me order, seems to be working great! | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell it to ZogG - he might be interested | 13:10 |
| robbiethe1st | yea | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: did you use a capacitor-'battery' with compatible footprint, or an arbitrary goldcap? | 13:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | The former; It was either you or someone else in this room who suggested it | 13:13 |
| robbiethe1st | and showed me the correct part on Digikey | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | been me | 13:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Thought so | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG says he can't get that part in Israel | 13:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Can you send it to him? | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems he tried on mouser only | 13:14 |
| robbiethe1st | huh | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure I could | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably digikey is better | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you have ny any chance the digikey order number or URL handy? | 13:15 |
| robbiethe1st | hm... | 13:16 |
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| robbiethe1st | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=XH414H | 13:21 |
| robbiethe1st | not sure which, but one of those | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | XH414H-II06E | 13:22 |
| ZogG | robbiethe1st, i'm russian =) | 13:22 |
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| ZogG | that's it i said it =) | 13:22 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer there are 2 of those there | 13:22 |
| robbiethe1st | ZogG: So digikey won't ship to you? | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: scroll to right | 13:23 |
| ZogG | robbiethe1st i dunno | 13:24 |
| ZogG | i tryed mouser and it says it's restricted by the company itself | 13:24 |
| ZogG | i think it's not the site it's comany making those batts | 13:25 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer is it 1ND or 2ND? | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the 2nd is minimum qty 1, I don't think you want to buy minimum qty 3.600 | 13:26 |
| ZogG | lol | 13:27 |
| ZogG | yeah i saw it | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | both are non-stock, no idea if you actually can order them | 13:27 |
| ZogG | just now | 13:27 |
| ZogG | those sites are for customers only | 13:27 |
| ZogG | i mean companies or people buying actually a lot of thing | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not ebay | 13:28 |
| ZogG | with mouser it was good that they have israel department and i called and arranged by phone and just emailed the guy with info | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but they ship to normal mortals as well usually | 13:28 |
| ZogG | how do i order? and can i buy via palpay? surely if you have any exp with them | 13:29 |
| ZogG | oh they have israel website as well | 13:30 |
| ZogG | lol | 13:30 |
| ZogG | Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order. | 13:32 |
| ZogG | as i thought | 13:32 |
| chem|st | morning | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what's *wrong* with your friggin country? | 13:34 |
| chem|st | how is it? | 13:34 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: no comment... | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: buy in Gaza, they get everything there :-P | 13:35 |
| chem|st | I need a new kbd mate and dome sheet btw.. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh shit | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | uhwheee shopping in military supplies | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: how do you think *I* can get that part to you? | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm afraid Mossad comes to invite me visit your prison | 13:38 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer just email who checks it anyway | 13:43 |
| ZogG | like the ebay parts | 13:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if he can find a telegram card playing happy-birthday when opened, that has this component | 13:43 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, lol | 13:43 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: made a *very* simple demo of pocketsphinx. | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'll try to order 5 parts eventually | 13:44 |
| mc_teo | using pythons subproccess module | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: GREAT :-D | 13:44 |
| mc_teo | it just runs dbus commands using subprocess module | 13:45 |
| mc_teo | i couldnt get dbus module to work correctly | 13:45 |
| mc_teo | i want to get that working correctly first | 13:45 |
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| mc_teo | but it basically just has like play/stop/pause/resume/next/resume all hooked to dbus commands, for the media player | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: if I ever get to find them in my letterbox, I'll inform you and ask for address | 13:46 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer thanx, i'll repay you all the mailing and stuff as well | 13:46 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer you can come and visit me as well =) | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, too hostile a country, sorry | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: that's exciting news indeed | 13:52 |
| chem|st | mc_teo: cool, keep you post up to date with it, that is good progress you are doing there! | 13:52 |
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| mc_teo | chem|st: when I get this dbus commands working correctly, i shall put it on the thread | 14:09 |
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| mc_teo | as at the moment, i am literally using 'subprocess.call("dbus-command", shell=True)' | 14:10 |
| mc_teo | which isnt very elegant | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm also getting >>Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order.<< - maybe Japan quake collateral issue | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: it's not bad actually, as you can very easily change such code to do virtually anything | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so rather than fiddling to get native dbus working, you might consider to support a config file to define arbitrary shell cmdline commands to execute on the particular voice-cmd | 14:15 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer =( | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I very much like this concept, it's in line with unix' philosophy | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the overhead to call a shell command is negligible for such occasional invocations | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually your program's memory footprint will be lower most of the time, and only allocating a few additional 100k for the shell during the execution time of the command | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think it's a very sleek and versatile design, much better than interfacing dbus directly and tailoring the program to do exactly one thing | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: please try http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND | 14:54 |
| Trewas | god damn n900 has annoying feature that you can mute the audio completely during phonecall from the volume up/down keys, the keys seem to also change the direction which way they work a bit after starting the call | 14:54 |
| Appiah | hehe | 14:55 |
| Appiah | landscape vs portrait | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: yes, the keys are working inverse in portrait: upper key is +, while in landscape left key is - | 14:56 |
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| Trewas | I know it should work like that, but there seems to be a delay and after answering the call (in portrait) the "up" actually decreases (and mutes) volume | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: I always found autorotate a bit annoying. Fix dialer-ui to portrait mode, so there should be no delays and changing key assignments | 15:00 |
| cehteh | starting the phone app is already slow enough | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: sometimes even the accelerometer chip needs a reset due to decalibration | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | reset==reboot | 15:01 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats a software problem .. actually the accelerometer is not callibrateable and is factory callibrated | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, not exactly | 15:02 |
| cehteh | the datasheet says so | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 15:02 |
| pupnik | anybody remember how a program can switch the keyboard layout to another language (for e.g. en/gb, for the arrow keys) | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a factory default calib, but you can recalib it | 15:03 |
| cehteh | isnt that just software? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I found the readouts to have massive offset sometimes | 15:03 |
| cehteh | yes .. but i wonder if thats really an accelerometer problem or some bug in the driver (software callibration running off ) | 15:04 |
| cehteh | some inexact calculation which drifts or some corner case which deadjusts it | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's the chip, that gets confused by rogue signals from driver | 15:05 |
| cehteh | so the driver is to blame in any case :P | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no static factors in the driver | 15:05 |
| cehteh | i didnt looked at the code | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just reads out the chip values via I2C and applies a fixed hardcoded multiplicator | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it missed to apply a chip reset every now and then | 15:06 |
| cehteh | timing problems | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess a race on I2C | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | interference | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: PING | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: lazy dog | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: will you try to order that friggin taiyo yuden battery now?! I spent almost an hour to find it for you | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | OMG OMG! I just had a email from my phone company! The Iphone is available in white!!!!111!!! | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OUCH digikey shipping costs to Israel: USD 40 | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Germany not really any better: 30 | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | For what? | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a 414 battery | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | To the UK at least a bit ago, they were offering free shipping over 50 | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | over 100 here | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | 50 pounds | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | eur | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | So a little closer to 100 | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - still going on. | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Israel 40USD all qty | 15:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: just denied a amazon shopping cart as shipping was 18eur... | 15:21 |
| chem|st | a 6eur item for 28eur... | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, for ZogG 's battery at 1.18EUR/unit it's a bit extreme | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: where did you order, where to did they ship, and what's been your fee for shipping? | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the battery? | 15:23 |
| robbiethe1st | I think it was digikey, I was in the US, and the total price was <$10 | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | bupbat | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | partno? | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND | 15:23 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't remember details | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - wandering over to ##electronics and asking if anyones got an order going in may be worthwhile. | 15:23 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm off. | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good plan | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Or that | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? I'm used to get the parts from my sourcing department ;-P | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | On that topic. I'm off to make some pasta source. | 15:25 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: pasta is a good idea... | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's farnell's friggin shipping policy? | 15:29 |
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| billmania | Morning. | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, available from USA, 20EUR per shipment | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | better than 30 | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny the il.farnell site doesn't mention the shipping costs at the location the de.farnell site does | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, I'm collecting preorders for this backup battery - shipping to Europe included, they will be EUR2.50, only if I manage to order 20 | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | payment per paypal only | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping me if you're interested | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://de.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=pas414hr-va5r | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (that's the component that breaks after 6 months usage of N900, and causes RTC to lose time on every swap of main battery) | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd also consider to do this fancy, if I receive 10 preorders a` 4.00EUR | 16:08 |
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| edheldil | mine is working yet ... :) | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lucky you | 16:17 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: and how often does one need to replace that thing? every 6 months? | 16:22 |
| * SpeedEvil checks. | 16:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: nah, this component is supposed to be more durable than the original one, it should last 'fiorever' | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | forever* | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: At least in my case, bupbat is fine - 2 min or so poweroff ad came back with same time | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | battery out | 16:26 |
| * dm8tbr needs to check his. it was unreliable for a while, haven't noticed anything though recently | 16:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the original one also was meant to last like 1000 cycles, but the component been of poor quality. So I can't promise anything, except this technology is inherently more robust | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | 18mo old or so | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not a friggin LiIon cell but a very large capacitor that doesn't mind deep discharge or overcharging | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 2 min are a poor figure. It should last like several weeks | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm down to 30s here | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that I'd bother too much, I also prefer to have ntpd/netdate running and usually never pop out main bat. But ZogG been so desperate... | 16:33 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i've been meaning to look in to using ntpd - how does it effect power consumption? | 16:42 |
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| BCMM | (incidentally, i'm not sure the in-build automatic time update is doing anything - how is it supposed to work? GSM, internet, GPS? | 16:43 |
| BCMM | ) | 16:43 |
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| BCMM | s/in-build/built-in/ | 16:43 |
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| edheldil | BCMM: I would guess GSM, but maybe Nokia optimized that out as well :( | 16:44 |
| abissom | BCMM: the inbuilt time update generally depends on gsm. the operator sends a signal to the device. not all operators do though | 16:45 |
| BCMM | edheldil: well, it's quite possible for a network to suck | 16:45 |
| BCMM | it's kinda teh default state of a mobile operator | 16:45 |
| BCMM | is there any way to get the time from the GPS subsystem? | 16:45 |
| edheldil | heh. It worked on my previous phone with the same operator, but I haven't checked it with n900 | 16:46 |
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| abissom | our operator used to provide it.. till recently :'( now they update to gmt! we're at gmt+2 | 16:46 |
| BCMM | i mean, seems to me like the ideal way to keep the time frighteningly accurate would be to update it every time the GPS is being used anyway | 16:46 |
| edheldil | actually, ntp can do that, at least generally | 16:47 |
| BCMM | edheldil: can do what? use GPS hardware? | 16:48 |
| BCMM | ooh! http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsrecorder/ | 16:48 |
| BCMM | "Automatically updates system time according to GPS time." | 16:48 |
| edheldil | heh | 16:48 |
| BCMM | still, why on earth can't maemo be set up to just do it whenever the gps is in use anyway? | 16:49 |
| Appiah | ? | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: built-in time adjust works with GSM, has a flaw as in "gsm registers too fast/too early during boot" - for me it helped to switch to flight mode and back to phone mode, so GSM re-registers and makes carrier resend the time msg | 16:53 |
| BCMM | ah, that makes a lot of sense | 16:53 |
| BCMM | thanks | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ntpd is suboptimal for intermittent connectivity, but shouldn't have too much impact on battery life | 16:53 |
| BCMM | nevertheless, GPS time is surely superior | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, if you are in a location where you can get GPS easily and fast | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas it seems maemo doesn't use GPS time at all | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | to adjust RTC/systime | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB AGPS as well needs connectivity, so the benefit over ntpdate isn't really existing | 16:56 |
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| * GAN900 dances. | 17:34 | |
| GAN900 | x220 shipped | 17:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heya | 18:44 |
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| citylights | when I switch profile to silent I can no longer hear a remote party during a call | 19:43 |
| citylights | is it a bug? | 19:44 |
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| ShadowJK | works for me | 19:44 |
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| compengi | how can i delete emails from inbox in bulk? | 19:50 |
| citylights | ShadowJK: do you also see this? | 19:50 |
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| ShadowJK | citylights: nope | 19:50 |
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| citylights | I change to silent using a dbus command | 19:51 |
| Dhraakellian | how doable/(im)practical would it be to do full-drive encryption on the n900? | 19:51 |
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| citylights | ShadowJK: can you change profile using dbus to silent and test? | 19:53 |
| compengi | and btw, why do i have /usr/sbin/browserd always running and it eats alot of memory too and when i open the browser /usr/bin/browser is started and it eats memory too | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | I don't use dbus | 19:54 |
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| ShadowJK | browserd renders IMs and web pages. browser provides a user interface for it | 19:54 |
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| citylights | ShadowJK: pls issue dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" | 19:57 |
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| ShadowJK | if it makes phonecalls stop working, I think I shouldn't do it? :P | 19:58 |
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| citylights | it just changes profile | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | So then you could compare it against using the normal way of switching profile? | 20:00 |
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| compengi | ShadowJK, okay.. do you know any quick way to delete +2k emails from modest? | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know of anything that's quick in modest :) | 20:01 |
| compengi | lol | 20:02 |
| compengi | not even manually | 20:02 |
| compengi | ? | 20:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Never really thought of that as I use imap and have no email storage on device | 20:02 |
| Dhraakellian | ShadowJK: I know of things that are quicker in modest than in kmail touch | 20:02 |
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| compengi | ShadowJK, i use imap too, but it still stores emails in inbox | 20:04 |
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| Dhraakellian | cached stuff? | 20:06 |
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| compengi | Dhraakellian, there is Inbox and there is .All\ /Mail folder | 20:08 |
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| compengi | when i delete something from .All\ /Mail folder it gets resynced with the server and the changes role back, but modifying inbox is a permanent change | 20:10 |
| compengi | i can access it also when i don't have internet | 20:11 |
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| compengi | i like the way it is right now, but i don't want to have +4.5k of emails in my inbox, as it takes the application too much time to load them | 20:12 |
| compengi | and scrolling is abit laggy too | 20:12 |
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| compengi | so i want to get rid of all old emails and have only the latest in my inbox | 20:13 |
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| compengi | is there a quick way to delete emails in bulk? | 20:14 |
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| compengi | would pc suit help? | 20:20 |
| kerio | haha, modest is painfully slow with 3 emails here | 20:20 |
| kerio | how can you stand it with 4k emails | 20:21 |
| compengi | hehe | 20:21 |
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| compengi | i'm patient i guess :P | 20:22 |
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| Dhraakellian | clear out you inbox? | 20:27 |
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| Dhraakellian | immediatel sort everything into folders? | 20:28 |
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| Dhraakellian | regularly, rather | 20:28 |
| Dhraakellian | compengi: ? | 20:28 |
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| compengi | Dhraakellian, how to clear the inbox folder? | 20:34 |
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| Dhraakellian | compengi: from what you said, I gather you have a ton of stuff in your inbox | 20:37 |
| Dhraakellian | what I'm suggesting is getting the mountain of old stuff moved out of the inbox by sorting it into othe folders | 20:38 |
| Dhraakellian | and then only keeping the most recent incoming mail in the inbox | 20:38 |
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| Dhraakellian | s/othe/other/ | 20:40 |
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| compengi | Dhraakellian, that's a really good idea.. do you know how to select the emails quickly, instead of clicking over 4k emails :P | 20:41 |
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| Dhraakellian | desktop client or webmail | 20:42 |
| Dhraakellian | set up some (serverside?) filters, perhaps | 20:43 |
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| compengi | hmm.. | 20:43 |
| Dhraakellian | I use modest to read email | 20:44 |
| Dhraakellian | and sometimes send | 20:44 |
| Dhraakellian | for managing it and such, I stick to kmail on the desktop | 20:44 |
| Dhraakellian | (or gmail web interface to set up filters for automatic sorting) | 20:45 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 21:15 |
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| mc_teo | just wondering if there was a way to open the media player without starting any songs? | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG | mc_teo, umm, what? | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: umm should, yeah | 21:43 |
| mc_teo | i mean programmatically | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure | 21:43 |
| mc_teo | a command would work | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the .desktop file should help a lot | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it either has a shell cmd, or a dbus-send msg | 21:44 |
| mc_teo | yes... | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway MohammadAG should know how to open mediaplayer on audio tab, from e.g. a desktop widget | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather you'd want music, not initial screen | 21:46 |
| mc_teo | the .desktop file just launchs /usr/bin/mediaplayer | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, and that opens the music/video/radio/whatnot main screen | 21:47 |
| mc_teo | well yes | 21:47 |
| anidel | may be sending an empty (NULL) file name to play? it MAY work? just throwing crap here | 21:47 |
| idont | MohammadAG: I've ported Nokia's busybox patches to upstream busybox (those which aren't already in upstream). I did this primarily for myself, but thought I could share the results as well, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997421&postcount=26. Might be a nice enhancement to the CSSU (as in updates to the core system/enhanced featureset (colored ls, swapon with priority support, etc.)? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how to open mediaplayer on music page? | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | idont: Sounds good. | 21:48 |
| mc_teo | it doesnt really matter, just wanted to ensure it was open before recieving dbus commands | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | idont: please also bring back help cmd | 21:48 |
| idont | Jaffa: Sources are to be found in the linked TMO post | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, sorry that's been bash | 21:49 |
| idont | It will need some more testing though, but so far so good (no errors, survived reboots etc.) | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, highly risky improvement | 21:50 |
| mc_teo | i can open a file with a dbus command with the file location set to "" | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: PING!!! | 21:50 |
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| mc_teo | but it gives a error, "File not found", and proceeds to play a random song | 21:51 |
| mc_teo | which is actually desireable | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: when I click on my mp3 desktop widget, it opens mediaplayer on music current song page. No idea how it does that | 21:51 |
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| idont | Anyway, I got to go. I ain't too much on IRC, so if anyone needs me PM'ing/emailing is probably the quickest way to contact me. | 21:52 |
| idont | As DocScrutinizer pointed out: it is a risky improvement, so any testing/feedback is greatly appreciated | 21:53 |
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| idont | I don't know how the whole CSSU process goes; if you guys want to pursue getting it into the CSSU I guess I'll be hearing something from someone? | 21:54 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pong | 21:57 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG chess and mate | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how to open mediaplayer on current song page? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: like music desktop widget does | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on clicking it | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG | umm, dbus, sec | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | something like open_mp_now_playing | 21:59 |
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| MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thnx | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, works. | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but where's mc_theo now?? :-S | 22:06 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | thoughts on upstream busybox? | 22:13 |
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| kerio | busybox is balls | 22:14 |
| kerio | get rid of it | 22:14 |
| kerio | plzkthx | 22:14 |
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| Jaffa | kerio: Patches welcome to replace all the dependency on it, deal with the increased rootfs space and come up and organise extensive testing | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Depends on the size of the changes and the actual benefit | 22:36 |
| kerio | Jaffa: damn, i'm busy today | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Right, so busybox'll probably stay then ;-) | 22:38 |
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| kerio | yeah ç_ç | 22:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm more worried about boot loops than lost space | 22:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Bisybox is noticably faster than some other things | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply as most code stays loaded | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 23:49 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and 100% ack for MohammadAG 's concerns | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly we got more than enough space on N900 | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, friggin 32GB, I think I had no computer with that much storage until maybe 5 years ago, and all of my computers since 20 years run linux | 23:51 |
| cityLights | hi | 23:52 |
| cityLights | I need help to save and restore the volume | 23:52 |
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| cityLights | I use python - so I installed python-mafw | 23:52 |
| cityLights | but can't find how to get the volume level | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: dbus | 23:53 |
| cityLights | I do this as I found a bug | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see wiki phonecontrol | 23:53 |
| cityLights | right - saw it | 23:53 |
| cityLights | but that dbus line doesnt look like I can use it with python-mafw | 23:53 |
| cityLights | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_volume | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm, you can use it with anything that knows how to either invoke dbus-send or to access dbus directly | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights, you need to get the mafw_extension property | 23:54 |
| cityLights | let me start by asking if this is a bug: | 23:55 |
| * MohammadAG knows how to do it in C | 23:55 | |
| cityLights | when I cahnge the profile using the python-alarm | 23:55 |
| cityLights | the volume of the speaker is muted | 23:55 |
| cityLights | need I report it? | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafw/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line337 | 23:56 |
| cityLights | I mean that if I change the profile during a call , I can't hear the remote party | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I think volume is part of the profile specific settings | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc how it works in detail, I'd start to read source of tweakr to learn about it | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's quite possible that this isn't supposed to happen - change profile during call. Might reset audio mixer to default so the call audio path gets lost | 23:59 |
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