IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-04-29

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DocScrutinizerthere were times I've seen more engineers running with a dash in their hands than with a Freerunner, in OM TPE labs00:20
Sicelocongrats to om00:21
DocScrutinizerno reason for sarcasm, the speed data is anonymized and strictly used to detect traffic jam00:26
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DocScrutinizerand afaik you even have to opt-in00:27
DocScrutinizerdunno what tomtom made of it00:27
DocScrutinizerif it's even been tomtom who bought dash inc00:27
DocScrutinizerom only built the hw00:28
DocScrutinizerand the OS00:28
SpeedEvilNow - if a law enforcement agency approaches the company and says 'we know there are speeders in this data - give us the names.'00:28
kerio"We don't have them"00:28
DocScrutinizersorry no names here00:29
kerioDocScrutinizer: <300:29
SpeedEvilThey do have home addresses.00:29
kerionot if they drop the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes of every trip00:29
kerioor something like that00:29
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kerioor, even better, just aggregate the data00:30
DocScrutinizerthey aren't using traces, they just use speed/location tuples they immediately strip from all the individual data00:30
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DocScrutinizeryes, they aggregate00:30
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DocScrutinizeralso I' m not sure if they do send data at all that's not exactly interesting for their service. I mean why should they want to know you are driving 60 or 80 mph in an urban area. They are just interested in learning about traffic jam, so probably the device sends adat when speed is *below* a certain road-dependent average threshold00:37
DocScrutinizerno use in thousands of devices spamming them with "all ok here" msgs00:37
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DocScrutinizerand in the end dash as well as tomtom is linux based, so it shouldn't be hard to find out about details00:44
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astruasdhplease, guys... to call other states where I live, it is needed to put an operator code. Is it possible to do it in nokia n900?01:05
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DocScrutinizerastruasdh: as in "N900 automatically adds 4711 to beginning of each number dialed via GSM"?01:07
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astruasdhDocScrutinizer, I'm confused... I tried to manually change all number using a regexp, but it has broken the database hehe... maybe I forgot some pattern01:09
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DocScrutinizerastruasdh: I suggesat exporting all contacts to vcard, then editing there and reimport. Way simpler than messing around with that friggin sqlite db01:23
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astruasdhaddressbook.db is an sqlite database? is it possible to send some sql?01:24
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DocScrutinizerit's possible to use sqlite3 frontend01:26
DocScrutinizerbut I always found it's quite clumsy an interface01:26
DocScrutinizerhonestly exporting to vcf/vcard then using plain sed is way simpler01:27
astruasdhgot it01:27
astruasdhexport to vcard, then remove all contacts01:27
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astruasdhand then import the changed vcard... is it ok?01:29
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DocScrutinizersounds about like what I'd do01:39
DocScrutinizerexcept I'd start a backup via backup app prior to all that ;-)01:40
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DocScrutinizer(or maybe I'd not, as I'm doing an outomated rsync to my PC every night ;-D)01:42
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astruasdhthat is the best part of linux-based os01:42
astruasdhyou can do whatever u want01:42
SpeedEvilNo, you can't.01:43
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SpeedEvilYou can do whatever you want, that you have the skills and time and inclination to add.01:43
SpeedEvilSome things will practically be beyond anyone.01:43
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SpeedEvilFor example - if a bit of software requires 5 man-years of effort.01:43
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DocScrutinizerlike that FOSS dialer-ui community replacement01:49
DocScrutinizer3 man-months of development and debugging/test, after 4.75 man-years of RE to figure how to interface to that other closed proprietary shit01:50
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flat`anyone awake?02:26
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Jaffaflat`: Barely02:30
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* GeneralAntilles is full of ground beef and potatoes.02:30
HydreeeHi everyone, can I get some help here? I've just started getting my feet wet with linux for a couple of days now and I've run into a stumbling block...02:33
HydreeeI need to change the /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf file to look for the correct device on boot. To do this, I need to replace the entry “root=/dev/sdb2″ to say “root=/dev/sda2″.02:34
HydreeeNow I have no idea how to do this, I'm a complete linux newb here! arghhhh!! haha02:34
HydreeeWho can help me? Please message me, thanks.02:34
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MohammadAGso... my N900 no longer connects properly to my router03:05
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MohammadAGit gets an IP and all, but I can't ping any local or external hosts03:05
SpeedEvilCan you ping the router?03:06
SpeedEvilAny logs on router?03:06
* MohammadAG checks03:06
DocScrutinizercheck route03:06
SpeedEvilThat too.03:07
MohammadAGwhat's also weird is that I can't connect to BT devices when wifi's up03:07
MohammadAGso I'm leaning towards HW problem03:07
DocScrutinizercheck /etc/resolv.conf for
MohammadAG3G works fine fwiw03:07
sr71_anything in the arp cache?03:08
orospakralas, I've jumped ship back to Android. :P03:08
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infobothmm... flashing is
MohammadAGI'm not reflashing for this :P03:10
MohammadAGis there a way to keep a 3G connection up while testing wifi?03:11
SpeedEvilYou can bring the wifi interface iup with ifconfig and iwconfig - if you get iwconfig onto the device03:11
MohammadAGwhat about the opposite?03:12
MohammadAG(a 3G connection while wifi's active)03:12
SpeedEvilICD fights.03:12
SpeedEvilYou can tether over USB to get 3G, and then still connect to the device over wifi03:13
MohammadAGwell, I just tried with my other router and it's the same03:13
SpeedEvilAny errors indmesg?03:14
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SpeedEvilOther devices auth OK?03:14
SpeedEvilMy next question would be 'what happens iif you turn ondebug mode in ICD' - but that has a subtle problem.03:14
MohammadAGthere was a weird "recoverable" onenand error, but that's unrelated03:14
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MohammadAG[109252.042694] wlan0: associated03:16
MohammadAG[109252.150268] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready03:16
MohammadAGlooks right to me03:16
SpeedEvilIs routes sane?03:16
MohammadAGwell, I never changed them03:16
SpeedEvilcan you ping your router by IP03:16
MohammadAGthis happened to me the other day, a reboot fixed it but I'm interested in why it happens03:16
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MohammadAG14 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss03:19
MohammadAGthat's pinging the gateway03:19
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SpeedEvilDoes ifconfig show thepackets going out?03:21
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, yep03:24
SpeedEviliwconfig shows the right stuff?03:26
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, don't have it installed, I'm guessing it's part of "iw"?03:29
MohammadAGfor both rx and tx the values are 003:31
SpeedEvilthe binary only03:31
MohammadAGthe rest looks fine to me03:31
SpeedEvilthey should be 0 with no errors03:32
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MohammadAGI hate how I can't debug status menu plugins easily04:04
pupnikhiya MohammadAG04:04
MohammadAGhi pupnik04:04
MohammadAGone of those is causing a segfault, but not initially04:05
merlin1991MohammadAG: for a second I htought I'll try to help you there, but then I saw the code :P04:08
merlin1991no chance I can find a segfault there :P04:08
MohammadAGmerlin1991, why? :P04:08
merlin1991every single function call is an api call I don't know :P04:09
MohammadAGmerlin1991, again it works when I call it at the start04:09
MohammadAGbut if it's called by the button click, hildon-status-menu segfaults04:09
MohammadAGg_signal_connect (plugin->priv->button, "clicked", G_CALLBACK (battery_status_plugin_get_values), plugin);04:09
MohammadAGlooks fine to me04:09
MohammadAGso I'm guessing it's something with pointers and stuff04:10
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GeneralAntillesWee, 11.04 ate my Firefox toolbar.04:19
astruasdhhas anyone installed android in n900?04:20
merlin1991MohammadAG: pointers are the root of all evil ;)04:21
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MohammadAGhow's a gchar freed?04:24
pupnikhooray for CSSU04:25
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MohammadAGso it's segfaulting on is_charging = libhal_device_get_property_bool (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_IS_CHARGING_KEY, NULL);04:40
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smackpotattbyebye nokia n810 hello playbook05:22
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slonopotamuswhat current n900 needs when charges from usb?07:45
slonopotamusi'm thinking about charging it from auto sound system usb port07:46
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slonopotamushmm... looks like it doesn't work. battery applet shows that it charges, however yellow led doesn't blink07:51
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RST38hneeds at least 100mA?07:53
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pupnika n900 with 5" screen and 2x bl4j batteries08:01
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RST38hpupnik: won't happen, weep now.08:02
slonopotamusRST38h: dunno, however, as i said, led doesn't blink in yellow :/08:02
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slonopotamusmeh, now i need car charger. DC-6 or DC-10?08:25
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slonopotamushmm... bought something really scary with 2A output09:12
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pupnikis it sfw slonopotamus09:13
slonopotamuspupnik: sfw?09:14
pupnika safe for work topic?09:15
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pcfenow why does the movie Top Secret come to mind now?09:26
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dotblankwhy are the repos down09:57
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keks-n#ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES   /* Reject any DND requests unconditionally. */   return NULL; #endif10:45
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keks-nIt looks like that I need to compile my own libgtk and use it through LD_PRELOAD10:47
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DocScrutinizerkeks-n: nice plan, I planned same thing for some hack with dialer-ui12:24
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ZogGDocScrutinizer have you read what i asked you about?12:26
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ZogGDocScrutinizer the insider battery analog from mouser is restricted in israel, do you mind to buy it to me and i'll palpay you12:29
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure I can handle that in a reasonable timespan12:30
DocScrutinizerI'm pondering it, let you know12:30
ZogGDocScrutinizer, not really that in a hurry12:30
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DocScrutinizerfriggin Israel12:41
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DocScrutinizernot that Russia is any better12:43
DocScrutinizerfor some activities, like sending a N900 over there...12:43
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edheldilZogG:  what is that "insider battery analog from mouser" ? Better battery for n900?12:55
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DocScrutinizerhehe I've been waiting for that question. Was about to toss a pun about the funny wording13:06
DocScrutinizerZogG meant the backup battery for RTC solder-mounted inside the N90013:06
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DocScrutinizerthe part that's supposed to power the clock for 12 months when main battery is removed or depleted. Which it probably would do if it wouldn't break for good after 6 month13:08
edheldilahh. Too bad :)13:09
robbiethe1stOh, and that reminds me: My replacement battery(supercapacitor, actually), which you had me order, seems to be working great!13:09
DocScrutinizertell it to ZogG - he might be interested13:10
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: did you use a capacitor-'battery' with compatible footprint, or an arbitrary goldcap?13:12
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robbiethe1stThe former; It was either you or someone else in this room who suggested it13:13
robbiethe1stand showed me the correct part on Digikey13:13
DocScrutinizerbeen me13:13
robbiethe1stThought so13:13
DocScrutinizerZogG says he can't get that part in Israel13:13
robbiethe1stCan you send it to him?13:14
DocScrutinizerseems he tried on mouser only13:14
DocScrutinizersure I could13:14
DocScrutinizerprobably digikey is better13:14
DocScrutinizeryou have ny any chance the digikey order number or URL handy?13:15
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robbiethe1stnot sure which, but one of those13:21
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DocScrutinizer  XH414H-II06E13:22
ZogGrobbiethe1st, i'm russian =)13:22
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ZogGthat's it i said it =)13:22
ZogGDocScrutinizer there are 2 of those there13:22
robbiethe1stZogG: So digikey won't ship to you?13:23
DocScrutinizerZogG: scroll to right13:23
ZogGrobbiethe1st i dunno13:24
ZogGi tryed mouser and it says it's restricted by the company itself13:24
ZogGi think it's not the site it's comany making those batts13:25
ZogGDocScrutinizer is it 1ND or 2ND?13:25
DocScrutinizerwell, the 2nd is minimum qty 1, I don't think you want to buy minimum qty 3.60013:26
ZogGyeah i saw it13:27
DocScrutinizerboth are non-stock, no idea if you actually can order them13:27
ZogGjust now13:27
ZogGthose sites are for customers only13:27
ZogGi mean companies or people buying actually a lot of thing13:27
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's not ebay13:28
ZogGwith mouser it was good that they have israel department and i called and arranged by phone and just emailed the guy with info13:28
DocScrutinizerbut they ship to normal mortals as well usually13:28
ZogGhow do i order? and can i buy via palpay? surely if you have any exp with them13:29
ZogGoh they have israel website as well13:30
ZogGDue to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order.13:32
ZogGas i thought13:32
DocScrutinizermoo chem|st13:34
DocScrutinizerZogG: what's *wrong* with your friggin country?13:34
chem|sthow is it?13:34
chem|stDocScrutinizer: no comment...13:34
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DocScrutinizerZogG: buy in Gaza, they get everything there :-P13:35
chem|stI need a new kbd mate and dome sheet btw..13:35
DocScrutinizeroh shit13:35
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chem|stuhwheee shopping in military supplies13:36
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DocScrutinizerZogG: how do you think *I* can get that part to you?13:37
DocScrutinizerZogG: I'm afraid Mossad comes to invite me visit your prison13:38
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ZogGDocScrutinizer just email who checks it anyway13:43
ZogGlike the ebay parts13:43
* DocScrutinizer wonders if he can find a telegram card playing happy-birthday when opened, that has this component13:43
ZogGDocScrutinizer, lol13:43
mc_teo DocScrutinizer: made a *very* simple demo of pocketsphinx.13:44
DocScrutinizerZogG: I'll try to order 5 parts eventually13:44
mc_teousing pythons subproccess module13:44
DocScrutinizermc_teo: GREAT :-D13:44
mc_teoit just runs dbus commands using subprocess module13:45
mc_teoi couldnt get dbus module to work correctly13:45
mc_teoi want to get that working correctly first13:45
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mc_teobut it basically just has like play/stop/pause/resume/next/resume all hooked to dbus commands, for the media player13:46
DocScrutinizerZogG: if I ever get to find them in my letterbox, I'll inform you and ask for address13:46
ZogGDocScrutinizer thanx, i'll repay you all the mailing and stuff as well13:46
ZogGDocScrutinizer you can come and visit me as well =)13:46
DocScrutinizernah, too hostile a country, sorry13:47
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: that's exciting news indeed13:52
chem|stmc_teo: cool, keep you post up to date with it, that is good progress you are doing there!13:52
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mc_teochem|st: when I get this dbus commands working correctly, i shall put it on the thread14:09
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mc_teoas at the moment, i am literally using '"dbus-command", shell=True)'14:10
mc_teowhich isnt very elegant14:10
DocScrutinizerZogG: I'm also getting >>Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order.<< - maybe Japan quake collateral issue14:12
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: it's not bad actually, as you can very easily change such code to do virtually anything14:13
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DocScrutinizerso rather than fiddling to get native dbus working, you might consider to support a config file to define arbitrary shell cmdline commands to execute on the particular voice-cmd14:15
ZogGDocScrutinizer =(14:16
DocScrutinizerI very much like this concept, it's in line with unix' philosophy14:16
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DocScrutinizerand the overhead to call a shell command is negligible for such occasional invocations14:17
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DocScrutinizeractually your program's memory footprint will be lower most of the time, and only allocating a few additional 100k for the shell during the execution time of the command14:20
DocScrutinizerI'd think it's a very sleek and versatile design, much better than interfacing dbus directly and tailoring the program to do exactly one thing14:21
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DocScrutinizerZogG: please try
Trewasgod damn n900 has annoying feature that you can mute the audio completely during phonecall from the volume up/down keys, the keys seem to also change the direction which way they work a bit after starting the call14:54
Appiahlandscape vs portrait14:55
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DocScrutinizerTrewas: yes, the keys are working inverse in portrait: upper key is +, while in landscape left key is -14:56
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TrewasI know it should work like that, but there seems to be a delay and after answering the call (in portrait) the "up" actually decreases (and mutes) volume14:57
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DocScrutinizerTrewas: I always found autorotate a bit annoying. Fix dialer-ui to portrait mode, so there should be no delays and changing key assignments15:00
cehtehstarting the phone app is already slow enough15:01
DocScrutinizerTrewas: sometimes even the accelerometer chip needs a reset due to decalibration15:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer: thats a software problem .. actually the accelerometer is not callibrateable and is factory callibrated15:02
DocScrutinizerumm, not exactly15:02
cehtehthe datasheet says so15:02
pupnikanybody remember how a program can switch the keyboard layout to another language (for e.g. en/gb, for the arrow keys)15:02
DocScrutinizerthere's a factory default calib, but you can recalib it15:03
cehtehisnt that just software?15:03
DocScrutinizeranyway I found the readouts to have massive offset sometimes15:03
cehtehyes .. but i wonder if thats really an accelerometer problem or some bug in the driver (software callibration running off )15:04
cehtehsome inexact calculation which drifts or some corner case which deadjusts it15:05
DocScrutinizerI guess it's the chip, that gets confused by rogue signals from driver15:05
cehtehso the driver is to blame in any case :P15:05
DocScrutinizerthere's no static factors in the driver15:05
cehtehi didnt looked at the code15:05
DocScrutinizerit just reads out the chip values via I2C and applies a fixed hardcoded multiplicator15:06
DocScrutinizerbut it missed to apply a chip reset every now and then15:06
cehtehtiming problems15:06
DocScrutinizerI guess a race on I2C15:07
DocScrutinizerZogG: PING15:08
DocScrutinizerZogG: lazy dog15:08
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DocScrutinizerZogG: will you try to order that friggin taiyo yuden battery now?! I spent almost an hour to find it for you15:09
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SpeedEvilOMG OMG! I just had a email from my phone company! The Iphone is available in white!!!!111!!!15:14
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DocScrutinizerOUCH digikey shipping costs to Israel: USD 4015:18
DocScrutinizerGermany not really any better: 3015:18
SpeedEvilFor what?15:18
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DocScrutinizerfor a 414 battery15:19
SpeedEvilTo the UK at least a bit ago, they were offering free shipping over 5015:19
DocScrutinizerover 100 here15:19
SpeedEvil50 pounds15:19
SpeedEvilSo a little closer to 10015:19
SpeedEvilyeah - still going on.15:19
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DocScrutinizerIsrael 40USD all qty15:20
chem|stDocScrutinizer: just denied a amazon shopping cart as shipping was 18eur...15:21
chem|sta 6eur item for 28eur...15:21
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DocScrutinizerwell, for ZogG 's battery at 1.18EUR/unit it's a bit extreme15:21
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: where did you order, where to did they ship, and what's been your fee for shipping?15:22
SpeedEvilWhat's the battery?15:23
robbiethe1stI think it was digikey, I was in the US, and the total price was <$1015:23
robbiethe1stI don't remember details15:23
SpeedEvilAlso - wandering over to ##electronics and asking if anyones got an order going in may be worthwhile.15:23
robbiethe1stI'm off.15:23
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: good plan15:24
SpeedEvilOr that15:24
DocScrutinizersee? I'm used to get the parts from my sourcing department ;-P15:25
SpeedEvilOn that topic. I'm off to make some pasta source.15:25
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chem|stSpeedEvil: pasta is a good idea...15:27
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DocScrutinizerwhat's farnell's friggin shipping policy?15:29
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DocScrutinizermhm, available from USA, 20EUR per shipment15:50
DocScrutinizerbetter than 3015:50
DocScrutinizerfunny the il.farnell site doesn't mention the shipping costs at the location the de.farnell site does15:52
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DocScrutinizerok, I'm collecting preorders for this backup battery - shipping to Europe included, they will be EUR2.50, only if I manage to order 2016:02
DocScrutinizerpayment per paypal only16:03
DocScrutinizerping me if you're interested16:03
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DocScrutinizer(that's the component that breaks after 6 months usage of N900, and causes RTC to lose time on every swap of main battery)16:05
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DocScrutinizerI'd also consider to do this fancy, if I receive 10 preorders a` 4.00EUR16:08
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edheldilmine is working yet ... :)16:11
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DocScrutinizerlucky you16:17
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: and how often does one need to replace that thing? every 6 months?16:22
* SpeedEvil checks.16:22
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: nah, this component is supposed to be more durable than the original one, it should last 'fiorever'16:26
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: At least in my case, bupbat is fine - 2 min or so poweroff ad came back with same time16:26
SpeedEvilbattery out16:26
* dm8tbr needs to check his. it was unreliable for a while, haven't noticed anything though recently16:27
DocScrutinizerthe original one also was meant to last like 1000 cycles, but the component been of poor quality. So I can't promise anything, except this technology is inherently more robust16:27
SpeedEvil18mo old or so16:28
DocScrutinizerit's not a friggin LiIon cell but a very large capacitor that doesn't mind deep discharge or overcharging16:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: 2 min are a poor figure. It should last like several weeks16:31
DocScrutinizerI'm down to 30s here16:31
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DocScrutinizernot that I'd bother too much, I also prefer to have ntpd/netdate running and usually never pop out main bat. But ZogG been so desperate...16:33
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: i've been meaning to look in to using ntpd - how does it effect power consumption?16:42
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BCMM(incidentally, i'm not sure the in-build automatic time update is doing anything - how is it supposed to work? GSM, internet, GPS?16:43
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edheldilBCMM:  I would guess GSM, but maybe Nokia optimized that out as well :(16:44
abissomBCMM: the inbuilt time update generally depends on gsm. the operator sends a signal to the device. not all operators do though16:45
BCMMedheldil: well, it's quite possible for a network to suck16:45
BCMMit's kinda teh default state of a mobile operator16:45
BCMMis there any way to get the time from the GPS subsystem?16:45
edheldilheh. It worked on my previous phone with the same operator, but I haven't checked it with n90016:46
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abissomour operator used to provide it.. till recently :'( now they update to gmt! we're at gmt+216:46
BCMMi mean, seems to me like the ideal way to keep the time frighteningly accurate would be to update it every time the GPS is being used anyway16:46
edheldilactually, ntp can do that, at least generally16:47
BCMMedheldil: can do what? use GPS hardware?16:48
BCMM"Automatically updates system time according to GPS time."16:48
BCMMstill, why on earth can't maemo be set up to just do it whenever the gps is in use anyway?16:49
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: built-in time adjust works with GSM, has a flaw as in "gsm registers too fast/too early during boot" - for me it helped to switch to flight mode and back to phone mode, so GSM re-registers and makes carrier resend the time msg16:53
BCMMah, that makes a lot of sense16:53
DocScrutinizerBCMM: ntpd is suboptimal for intermittent connectivity, but shouldn't have too much impact on battery life16:53
BCMMnevertheless, GPS time is surely superior16:53
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DocScrutinizersure, if you are in a location where you can get GPS easily and fast16:54
DocScrutinizeralas it seems maemo doesn't use GPS time at all16:55
DocScrutinizerto adjust RTC/systime16:55
DocScrutinizerNB AGPS as well needs connectivity, so the benefit over ntpdate isn't really existing16:56
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GAN900x220 shipped17:34
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citylightswhen I switch profile to silent I can no longer hear a remote party during a call19:43
citylightsis it a bug?19:44
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ShadowJKworks for me19:44
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compengihow can i delete emails from inbox in bulk?19:50
citylightsShadowJK: do you also see this?19:50
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ShadowJKcitylights: nope19:50
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citylightsI change to silent using a dbus command19:51
Dhraakellianhow doable/(im)practical would it be to do full-drive encryption on the n900?19:51
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citylightsShadowJK: can you change profile using dbus to silent and test?19:53
compengiand btw, why do i have /usr/sbin/browserd always running and it eats alot of memory too and when i open the browser /usr/bin/browser is started and it eats memory too19:53
ShadowJKI don't use dbus19:54
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ShadowJKbrowserd renders IMs and web pages. browser provides a user interface for it19:54
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citylightsShadowJK: pls issue dbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/profiled string:"silent"19:57
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ShadowJKif it makes phonecalls stop working, I think I shouldn't do it? :P19:58
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citylightsit just changes profile19:59
ShadowJKSo then you could compare it against using the normal way of switching profile?20:00
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compengiShadowJK, okay.. do you know any quick way to delete +2k emails from modest?20:00
ShadowJKI don't know of anything that's quick in modest :)20:01
compenginot even manually20:02
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ShadowJKNever really thought of that as I use imap and have no email storage on device20:02
DhraakellianShadowJK: I know of things that are quicker in modest than in kmail touch20:02
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compengiShadowJK, i use imap too, but it still stores emails in inbox20:04
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Dhraakelliancached stuff?20:06
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compengiDhraakellian, there is Inbox and there is .All\ /Mail folder20:08
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compengiwhen i delete something from .All\ /Mail folder it gets resynced with the server and the changes role back, but modifying inbox is a permanent change20:10
compengii can access it also when i don't have internet20:11
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compengii like the way it is right now, but i don't want to have +4.5k of emails in my inbox, as it takes the application too much time to load them20:12
compengiand scrolling is abit laggy too20:12
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compengiso i want to get rid of all old emails and have only the latest in my inbox20:13
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compengiis there a quick way to delete emails in bulk?20:14
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compengiwould pc suit help?20:20
keriohaha, modest is painfully slow with 3 emails here20:20
keriohow can you stand it with 4k emails20:21
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compengii'm patient i guess :P20:22
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Dhraakellianclear out you inbox?20:27
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Dhraakellianimmediatel sort everything into folders?20:28
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Dhraakellianregularly, rather20:28
Dhraakelliancompengi: ?20:28
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compengiDhraakellian, how to clear the inbox folder?20:34
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Dhraakelliancompengi: from what you said, I gather you have a ton of stuff in your inbox20:37
Dhraakellianwhat I'm suggesting is getting the mountain of old stuff moved out of the inbox by sorting it into othe folders20:38
Dhraakellianand then only keeping the most recent incoming mail in the inbox20:38
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compengiDhraakellian, that's a really good idea.. do you know how to select the emails quickly, instead of clicking over 4k emails :P20:41
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Dhraakelliandesktop client or webmail20:42
Dhraakellianset up some (serverside?) filters, perhaps20:43
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DhraakellianI use modest to read email20:44
Dhraakellianand sometimes send20:44
Dhraakellianfor managing it and such, I stick to kmail on the desktop20:44
Dhraakellian(or gmail web interface to set up filters for automatic sorting)20:45
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mc_teojust wondering if there was a way to open the media player without starting any songs?21:15
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MohammadAGmc_teo, umm, what?21:36
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: umm should, yeah21:43
mc_teoi mean programmatically21:43
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DocScrutinizeryeah, sure21:43
mc_teoa command would work21:43
DocScrutinizerI guess the .desktop file should help a lot21:44
DocScrutinizerit either has a shell cmd, or a dbus-send msg21:44
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DocScrutinizeranyway MohammadAG should know how to open mediaplayer on audio tab, from e.g. a desktop widget21:46
DocScrutinizerI gather you'd want music, not initial screen21:46
mc_teothe .desktop file just launchs /usr/bin/mediaplayer21:47
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DocScrutinizeryes, and that opens the music/video/radio/whatnot main screen21:47
mc_teowell yes21:47
anidelmay be sending an empty (NULL) file name to play? it MAY work? just throwing crap here21:47
idontMohammadAG: I've ported Nokia's busybox patches to upstream busybox (those which aren't already in upstream). I did this primarily for myself, but thought I could share the results as well, see Might be a nice enhancement to the CSSU (as in updates to the core system/enhanced featureset (colored ls, swapon with priority support, etc.)?21:48
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: how to open mediaplayer on music page?21:48
Jaffaidont: Sounds good.21:48
mc_teoit doesnt really matter, just wanted to ensure it was open before recieving dbus commands21:48
DocScrutinizeridont: please also bring back help cmd21:48
idontJaffa: Sources are to be found in the linked TMO post21:49
DocScrutinizererrr, sorry that's been bash21:49
idontIt will need some more testing though, but so far so good (no errors, survived reboots etc.)21:49
DocScrutinizeryeah, highly risky improvement21:50
mc_teoi can open a file with a dbus command with the file location set to ""21:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: PING!!!21:50
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mc_teobut it gives a error, "File not found", and proceeds to play a random song21:51
mc_teowhich is actually desireable21:51
DocScrutinizermc_teo: when I click on my mp3 desktop widget, it opens mediaplayer on music current song page. No idea how it does that21:51
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idontAnyway, I got to go. I ain't too much on IRC, so if anyone needs me PM'ing/emailing is probably the quickest way to contact me.21:52
idontAs DocScrutinizer pointed out: it is a risky improvement, so any testing/feedback is greatly appreciated21:53
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idontI don't know how the whole CSSU process goes; if you guys want to pursue getting it into the CSSU I guess I'll be hearing something from someone?21:54
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, pong21:57
ZogGMohammadAG chess and mate21:57
DocScrutinizer51how to open mediaplayer on current song page?21:57
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: like music desktop widget does21:58
DocScrutinizer51on clicking it21:58
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MohammadAGumm, dbus, sec21:59
MohammadAGsomething like open_mp_now_playing21:59
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MohammadAGdbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer
MohammadAGI think22:01
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DocScrutinizeryep, works.22:06
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DocScrutinizerbut where's mc_theo now?? :-S22:06
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MohammadAGthoughts on upstream busybox?22:13
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keriobusybox is balls22:14
kerioget rid of it22:14
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Jaffakerio: Patches welcome to replace all the dependency on it, deal with the increased rootfs space and come up and organise extensive testing22:36
JaffaMohammadAG: Depends on the size of the changes and the actual benefit22:36
kerioJaffa: damn, i'm busy today22:37
JaffaRight, so busybox'll probably stay then ;-)22:38
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kerioyeah ç_ç22:38
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MohammadAGJaffa, I'm more worried about boot loops than lost space22:40
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SpeedEvilBisybox is noticably faster than some other things22:40
SpeedEvilSimply as most code stays loaded22:40
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infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils23:49
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DocScrutinizerand 100% ack for MohammadAG 's concerns23:50
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DocScrutinizerhonestly we got more than enough space on N90023:51
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DocScrutinizerdamn, friggin 32GB, I think I had no computer with that much storage until maybe 5 years ago, and all of my computers since 20 years run linux23:51
cityLightsI need help to save and restore the volume23:52
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cityLightsI use python - so I installed python-mafw23:52
cityLightsbut can't find how to get the volume level23:52
DocScrutinizercityLights: dbus23:53
cityLightsI do this as I found a bug23:53
DocScrutinizersee wiki phonecontrol23:53
cityLightsright - saw it23:53
cityLightsbut that dbus line doesnt look like I can use it with python-mafw23:53
DocScrutinizerummm, you can use it with anything that knows how to either invoke dbus-send or to access dbus directly23:54
MohammadAGcityLights, you need to get the mafw_extension property23:54
cityLightslet me start by asking if this is a bug:23:55
* MohammadAG knows how to do it in C23:55
cityLightswhen I cahnge the profile using the python-alarm23:55
cityLightsthe volume of the speaker is muted23:55
cityLightsneed I report it?23:55
cityLightsI mean that if I change the profile during a call , I can't hear the remote party23:56
DocScrutinizerhmm, I think volume is part of the profile specific settings23:56
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DocScrutinizernfc how it works in detail, I'd start to read source of tweakr to learn about it23:57
DocScrutinizerbut it's quite possible that this isn't supposed to happen - change profile during call. Might reset audio mixer to default so the call audio path gets lost23:59

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