IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-04-28

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telmichgood evening01:13
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telmichI'd like to flash a n810 with the latest rootfs, but don't have 32bit libraries, which seem to be needed for the flasher01:17
telmichis there a way I can flash the latest version from the device itself?01:17
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jMCgHey folks01:20
jMCgI'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down"..01:20
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Sc0rpiusI wonder if QML in the N900 works or it would just suck01:24
MohammadAGit works, but I'm not a big fan of QML01:27
MohammadAGSc0rpius, why not try Qt w/o QML?01:28
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Sc0rpiusthat's what I was thinking01:32
Sc0rpiusI already downloaded everything, including the Qt Mobile SDK that includes QtCreator and stuff01:32
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clmbrhi all...has anyone had to repair a water damaged N900?01:54
Proteousnot sure about sucessful repairs01:55
Proteousbut yes, there are stories of water damaged n900s01:55
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MohammadAGpupnik methinks01:57
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clmbrThxs, Prote--I have dropped mine in water and have tried to dry it out for some time, but the screen is very dark still almost unusable. Any idea what it could be02:10
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Proteousdon't know, is the n900 backlight led or fluorescent?02:11
SpeedEvilCFL  backlight for small things went away... 7 years ago?02:11
Proteousclmbr: the fact that it runs at all is impressive02:11
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merlin1991any python black magics here?03:33
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merlin1991I need to read a file with urllib, cash it in memory and then use some sort on readline on the memory stream03:33
merlin1991and fail miserably :D03:33
merlin1991ah sry03:35
pupnikthey taught 'reading by phonics' in your school right?03:35
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merlin1991they also told me not todo stuff late at night ;)03:36
pupniki'm wondering whether this problem with homonyms is new03:36
merlin1991normally I do write cache, it was just a mistake03:37
pupnikmerlin1991: in c?03:37
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merlin1991StringIO is a memory stream, but only operates on strings, not bytes, but I do have to operate a readlinelike construct on bytes because each line can contain invalid data (wrong bytes that don't fit into utf8) because it's a silly silly serverlog03:40
merlin1991that writes everything there even if it's not proper text03:40
merlin1991nvm finally found it in the docs03:43
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merlin199110 mins of google didn't find me what I wanted :/03:43
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TronicI accidentally deleted some files from /root/, how can I get them back?03:48
TronicIs there a package I can reinstall?03:48
MohammadAG/root's normally empty03:48
TronicI am missing $PATH03:48
ShadowJKmaybe /etc/skel has those files03:49
TronicRoot has different files than regular users. Should have sbin folders on path also.03:49
TronicMaybe the skel files check for UID...03:49
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ShadowJKi vaguely recall there's a copy of "essential" files somewhere. Found them in connection to code to deal with broken /home or emmc03:50
ShadowJK(in case /home can't be mounted, a new /home is creating on the OneNAND with files from the skel copy)03:51
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TronicThanks :)03:55
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SpeedEvilpupnik: Acute or chronic?04:10
SpeedEvilChronic would probably be around a ton or so, over a long period04:11
SpeedEvilIn excess ofyour calorific requirements04:11
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pupnik__almost a year ago to the day, former chief of staff to secretary of state Colin Powel, Lawrence Wilkerson signed an affidavit stating that the vast majority of detainees in Guantanamo were INNOCENT and that George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld KNEW IT... And felt that holding innocent detainees was 'OK' to save themselves political embarassment.04:28
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clasificadoHi all!04:29
penguinbaitPupnik, we need to get a pint sometime04:29
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GeneralAntillesWho else got the declined email?05:46
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penguinbaitI got it a long time ago GA :)06:41
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GAN900penguinbait, will be interesting to see what Maemo people actually make the cut.06:44
penguinbaitGA, I have no clue what your talking about :)06:45
penguinbaitwhat cut?06:45
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GAN900penguinbait, the sponsorship cut.06:49
penguinbaitfor what event?06:50
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TronicIs it possible to make mmcblk1 automount work with ext3?06:54
TronicIt complains about unsupported format and I have to mount manually.06:54
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GAN900penguinbait, MeeGoConfSF07:01
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* Dhraakellian wonders why he's been getting the red-slashed sim card icon in his statusbar in the last day or so07:27
pupniknot seen07:29
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Dhraakelliannot a contstant thing, but I'll see it when, for instance, I pull the phone out of my pocket07:31
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ShadowJKDhraakellian, it'll get worse07:54
DhraakellianShadowJK: explicate?07:55
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ShadowJKWell myself and others have experienced it07:56
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Dhraakellianany known solution/work-around?07:56
ShadowJKIf yours does the same as mine, it'll do the red-slashed sim card icon when taking out of pocket for a few weeks or so, and then eventually it'll be hard to make it actually work07:56
ShadowJKthe cellular modem07:56
ShadowJKI had mine in for repairs. On second go they replaced it with a new07:57
Dhraakellianwas hoping it was something fixable with a new sim07:57
Dhraakelliansince I got my n900 used off of ebay07:57
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Dhraakellian= no warranty07:57
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Dhraakellianany non-n900 phones out there capable of running meego currently?07:58
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Dhraakellian'cause, if the cellular modem fails, I might not have to worry about T-mo going the way of the subjugated dodo07:59
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chxDhraakellian: the other Meego running phones are held hostage by the fairies and unicorns.08:03
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Dhraakellianf@$#^% fairies and unicorns08:04
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EdLinDhraakellian the HTC HD2 can run meego, after a fashion.08:04
Dhraakellianstone them to death with WP7 devices08:04
DhraakellianEdLin: like the n900 can run Android, after a fashion?08:05
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RST38h"A team of researchers in Italy are on the hunt to find the real Mona Lisa."08:07
EdLinDhraakellian yeah, though the HD2 runs Android fine.08:08
RST38h"That lawn mower looking machine they're holding is actually a geo-radar device that will scan the ground to locate the skull of the mysterious woman"08:08
DhraakellianRST38h: meaning the one that doesn't have "THIS IS A FAKE" sharpied under the paint in Tom Baker's handwriting?08:08
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RST38hYou mean the skull?08:22
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infobotPR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject09:29
peb_OK bot, but is it out or not ....09:29
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psycho_oreosthat's a rather stupid question09:30
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timelessgood morning (ugt)09:31
timelessdid i miss anything at all exciting?09:31
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psycho_oreosapart from a rather stupid question about PR1.4 :)09:33
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peb_Stupidity is always a matter of position ...09:37
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mecetimeless, well there is some amazing footage of tornado in alabama.09:40
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timelessmece: good thing i wsn't nn alabama :)09:41
mecetimeless, are you from alabama?09:41
timelesss/wsn't nn/wasn't in/09:42
infobottimeless meant: mece: good thing i wasn't in alabama :)09:42
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timelessoh, right, i forgot some idiot tried to use my email address w/ PSN09:44
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achipageez.... who bases their sessions not on page loads but actual SAVES of stuff you're working on ?11:04
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niv_seen ~shapeshifter11:18
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niv_~seen shapeshifter11:18
infobotshapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 1h 36m 30s ago, saying: '1'000'000'.11:18
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jpinxanyone know a how-to for making my n900 GPRS connection work in my Eeepc running XP?12:02
jpinxAppiah: thanks :)  looking....12:05
psycho_oreosits called nokia pc suite12:07
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psycho_oreosruskie, ever thought about implementing yaffs/yaffs2 on n900? just a curious question out of the blues12:12
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chem|stjpinx: also direct wifi connection could do to your needs12:47
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jpinxchem|st: I am asked to install MADDE but there is nothing of that name12:52
chem|stjpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development importent, what/who asks for it?12:53
infobotchem|st meant: jpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development important, what/who asks for it?12:53
infobotaw, gee, chem|st12:54
jpinxthat page in the wik12:54
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jpinxAppiah: pointed me to it12:54
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chem|stjpinx: ah yes for windows... ehrm actualy no idea of the windows setup but I guess the wiki is right12:56
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chem|stjpinx: but you do good by just installing Nokia PC Suite12:57
chem|stas you do not need __real__ usbnetworking12:57
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* chem|st is hung on the wiki syntax, still12:58
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chem|styou want to give your eepc gprs network via n900, right?12:58
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jpinxchem|st: I am trying to get the eeepc to connect through the n900 gprs13:00
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chem|stjpinx: you don't need to hack an usbconnection on windows13:00
jpinxchem|st: ok what do I do?13:01
chem|stusbnetworking like the wiki describes is needed if you got no wifi to ssh to n900 to do devel stuff in the first place13:01
chem|stjpinx: just install pc suite, it should have all needed functionality you need13:02
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Appiahinstall pc suite13:02
Appiahclick the big button that says connect13:02
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jacekowskitop right corner13:03
chem|stjpinx: that is setup free afair, you could also use windows tools and use the modem _by-hand_13:03
jacekowskithen you click on spanner button as network autodetection ussualy fails13:03
jpinxinstall pcsuite on which13:03
chem|stjpinx: the link here:
psycho_oreoson windows13:04
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jpinxchem|st: I click that link and a browser opens but nothing has happened13:06
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psycho_oreosyou're supposed to be able to download a file13:06
chem|stpsycho_oreos: ^^13:07
psycho_oreosprobably you have some malicious file blocker, script blocker or god knows what is on your windows setup lol13:07
jpinxno download offered13:07
psycho_oreosI got a prompt asking me what to do with the file13:07
chem|sttry that and pick yourself13:08
* jpinx is using the e n90013:08
chem|stjpinx: use your laptop13:08
jpinxnot xp13:08
psycho_oreoseven then on the microB it should still ask you what to do with the file iinm13:09
chem|stjpinx: or open up an xterm type "cd MyDocs" enter "wget"13:09
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psycho_oreoswell you've been told to use your eeepc13:09
jpinxchem|st: that's the point - I can't13:10
chem|stjpinx: xterm is installed13:10
chem|stjpinx: pre-installed13:10
jacekowskithen download that file on a phone13:10
chem|stjpinx: wget too13:11
jacekowskiand then connect to laptop in mass storage mode13:11
jacekowskiand then install13:11
chem|stjacekowski: ehrm the laptop needs network to install the webinstaller...13:11
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jacekowskino that webinstaller is offline installer13:12
chem|stjpinx: connect via wifi...13:13
chem|stjacekowski: is it?13:13
jacekowskiit is13:13
jpinxno wifi here only gprs13:13
psycho_oreosI wonder if the case would be any simpler had you went to nokia care and get them to give you a copy of nokia pc suite. They normally provide that at least with my old n95-113:14
chem|stjpinx: download the file via n900, transfer it in masstoragemode to your laptop and install13:14
chem|stpsycho_oreos: my closest Ncare is about 80km away^^13:14
jpinxwhichm  file ?13:15
chem|stjpinx: the link I gave13:15
chem|stthios file13:15
chem|stdios mio13:15
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jpinxmy closest nokia care is about 500kms13:15
chem|stjpinx: you could tell that a parkingmeter!13:16
chem|stjpinx: stay focused13:16
jpinxchem|st: chplease be with me on my stuttering gprs connection13:16
psycho_oreoschem|st, you could probably just phone them up and order it lol13:16
chem|stpsycho_oreos: nice idea...13:16
chem|stjpinx: you need to download that file and I told you a way to do it...13:17
psycho_oreosand for me 80km would be a bit of a nice driving trip :D13:17
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chem|stjpinx: and be patient with the browser it takes sometimes a few seconds to popup the download dialog and if you touch the screen ahead you wont see it, on gprs it can take even longer13:18
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jpinxchem|st: clicked your link....13:18
psycho_oreosshould install that cpu monitoring widget. It gives you a good indication when the cpu is busy and you need to be patient13:19
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: doesnt help if hildon-desktop freezes too...13:19
jpinxpsycho_oreos: i have it ...  it it always in the red13:20
chem|stjpinx: has the download started?13:20
psycho_oreoschem|st, that'll come with experience :) at least with cssu, the issue isn't as apparent but of course its inevitable that it will still freeze13:20
jpinxchem|st: no :(13:21
chem|stpsycho_oreos: yeah most of the time hildon-desktop doesn't freeze... most of the time abook browser or hildon-home are going wild13:21
chem|stjpinx: close the browser13:21
chem|stjpinx: open xterm13:21
psycho_oreosjpinx, seems like you may have other processes hogging the cpu unnecessarily13:22
chem|stjpinx: is the n900 connected via usb?13:22
psycho_oreoschem|st, well random hogging yeah, though mind you the cssu fix is still far better than nothing :D13:23
chem|stpsycho_oreos: true, but still to be improved13:23
chem|sthildon-home is still a pain13:23
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jpinxchem|st: connected to eeepc by usb and to internet by gprs13:24
jpinxI am using remtote shell for irssi13:24
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psycho_oreoschem|st, hurry up and become a developer, join the team! ;)13:24
chem|stjpinx: that is why you cannot download anything13:24
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chem|stthe browser has no device to download to as usb exports all user space13:24
cityLightsdid anyone saw shapeshifter , the guy that wrote alarmed?13:24
jpinxchem|st: ok unplugging usb13:25
psycho_oreoshe appears every now and then a few months back13:25
chem|st~seen Shapeshifter13:25
infobotshapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 3h 43m 23s ago, saying: '1'000'000'.13:25
cityLightsI need help in understanding how he reffers to an object named eventInfo ,while it wasnt annouced13:25
cityLightscan I ask a python question?13:26
chem|stjpinx: look if the filebrowser shows anything13:26
chem|stcityLights: anytime13:26
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.13:26
psycho_oreospython is probably better asked in #python if you can't get help here.13:26
chem|stjpinx: if your internal storage shows just try the link again13:27
cityLightsmin , let me get the code online13:27
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cityLightskindly look at
cityLightsby the way is it ok to email him?13:31
cityLightsI can't find a line stating that eventInfo is indead a class13:31
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jpinxchem|st: downloading 37 - odd Mbs will take a few days for me :(13:32
cityLightsand so how come in line 329 it is eventInfo["enabled"] = 113:32
chem|stjpinx: yes13:32
cityLightsno one created eventInfo yet13:32
chem|stjpinx: so you learned some new stuff today...13:32
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jpinxchem|st: not really - I' take the link to a cafe and transfer it by USB stick13:34
yaccWondering is there a way to make the N900 pull more than 100mA on an non-microusb-compliant USB plug via software?13:34
jpinxthanks for the pointer13:34
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jpinxChewtoy: Not Found13:35
jpinxThe requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it13:35
cityLightso that is a dict - sorry13:35
SpeedEvilyacc: One easy way iswithahackedcable13:35
chem|styacc: trick the host13:36
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chem|stjpinx: ?13:36
yaccSpeedEvil, ?13:37
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yaccchem|st, The host? Hard to do with a 12V USB plug, ...13:37
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chem|styacc: ouch13:39
chem|styacc: what SpeedEvil means is to build a charger cable13:39
chem|stcrossed data lines13:39
yaccchem|st, on my PC it seems to charge fine, ...13:39
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yaccchem|st, url?13:40
yaccof a howto?13:40
chem|styacc: on some bulk chargers it doesn't charge at all13:40
yaccWell it does the 100mA thing on my car charger, ...13:40
* yacc hates typing with one hand.13:40
chem|styacc: no idea13:41
chem|styacc: my orig. nokia charger does more than 100mA13:41
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chem|sta charger usb port on a car adptor does not charge at all13:41
yaccchem|st, in my case it does, but not enough to prevent it from powering down, but powered down, it shows the orange led.13:42
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SpeedEvilyacc: Take a 10cm or so extender cable.13:45
SpeedEvilNow, cut it carefully open13:45
SpeedEviltrim off the white and green wires from the 'input' side - and insulate. Join the white and green on the 'output' side and insulate.13:45
SpeedEvilInsulate the whole thing.13:46
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khertanyacc: i ve a radioplayer which read usb mass storage14:03
khertanand it s enought14:03
khertanfor 3g + gps14:04
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cityLightshere is a question.15:23
cityLightsin alarmed the gui interface for libalarm. the program keeps files for each event15:23
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cityLightscan't I just access the device and query it?15:23
khertanthe best way is to parse the conf file15:24
khertanreally usefull lib ? yeah :)15:24
cityLightsI use a event to run my program. but in case I quit the program I need to remove the event. for thatmust I have the cookie?15:25
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cityLightshi etrunko15:34
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etrunkohi cityLights15:34
cityLightsin libalarm , must I have a cookie o remove an event?15:35
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, hey15:45
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ZogGDocScrutinizer i'm stupid >_<15:48
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Shapeshifterwho's Niv15:49
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ZogGDocScrutinizer i emailed order of microusb to mousers israel contact email from website and today i called them to ask what's going on and they just told me i emailed wrong place =)15:58
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ZogGre-ordered eerything and got one from ebay as well but ebay's one sucks. gonna wait more15:58
ZogGDocScrutinizer, i need to ask you a favor15:58
lolcat_ZogG: You are ordering microusb port for n900?15:58
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ZogGlolcat_ yes15:59
ZogGnetsplit \o/15:59
lolcat_Mine ir b0rked15:59
lolcat_You can have mine :P15:59
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lolcatZogG: I think I will buy a new N900 next week16:02
lolcatUnless it comes a new decent phone16:03
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ZogGlolcat if yours is broken why would i need another broken one =)16:03
auenfx4get a hd2/hd7 and run ubuntu on it?16:04
ZogGauenfx4 get a girlfriend and life =P16:04
auenfx4far too busy for either of them16:04
lolcatI hope I get a refund16:04
lolcat$1000 xD16:04
luke-jrwhy would you get a N900 at this point? O.o16:04
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lolcatTHere is no other decent phones in the world :(16:05
lolcatluke-jr: Or is there?16:06
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luke-jrlolcat: N900 isn't a phone16:06
luke-jrlolcat: if I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the high-end phones with QWERTY and research which I can install Gentoo on16:06
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lolcatluke-jr: Can you mention another debian based uppc that has phone capabilities?16:07
lolcatCan gentoo send sms and call?16:07
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* ZogG mp> south.park.s15e01.hdtv.xvid-fqm.avi [624x352 XVID 23.976fps]16:08
lolcatI guess I could do with a normal ultra-mobile computer if it could take a sim and have mobile broadband16:09
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lolcatI hate nokia for not making any more phones with maemo16:12
ZogGi need help16:12
lolcatI want dual core and 1gb ram16:12
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ZogGi need someone to buy inside battery (about 1$) and send me and i'll palpay16:13
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clasificadoHi all16:28
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lolcatclasificado: Hello16:37
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lolcatTHeoretically, could I just replace the cpu/ram in my n900 with a dual core 1gb one?16:59
timeless_xchata dual core arm cpu?17:01
lolcatthey exsist17:01
timeless_xchatthat has exactly the same supported interface?17:01
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timeless_xchatand the same power consumption statistics?17:01
timeless_xchat\ profile17:01
timeless_xchattheoretically you can do anything you want to do17:02
lolcatOk, replace the battery to17:02
lolcatBut can this realisticly be done?17:02
timeless_xchatat least in the intel world, it's common for newer chips to use a different socket17:02
timeless_xchatwhich makes upgrades impractical w/o tossing out the motherboard17:03
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timeless_xchatarm is generally done more as SoC17:03
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timeless_xchatso your question is more practically stated: if i found a complete hackable phone with better specs, would maemo 5 magically work on it17:04
timeless_xchatsupporting all of its arbitrarily different components17:04
timeless_xchatand presumably you want roughly the same power profile17:05
lolcatYou would need the same gsm/3g/whatever radio17:05
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timeless_xchatreplacing the battery is different, possible, practical, and has been done by end users17:06
infobotrumour has it, soc is System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU.17:06
timeless_xchatinfobot: have a botsnack17:06
infobottimeless_xchat: :)17:06
timeless_xchatlolcat : do you want this to theoretically be cost effective too?17:07
lolcatAround the cost of a new N90017:08
timeless_xchatgive me your 1000 USD today, i'll get you something in 12 months17:09
timeless_xchatit probably won't be dual core17:09
lolcatCan't be 12 months without a phone17:09
lolcatWhy not?17:09
timeless_xchatbut it probably will have more ram than your n90017:09
lolcatI can replace the debian kernel with a dual core kernel17:09
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timeless_xchathave you ever performed a successful partial brain transplant on a living  cat?17:10
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timeless_xchatever wonder why not?17:10
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lolcatBut the kernel is the only thing that needs to support dual-core17:11
timeless_xchatit's just a bunch of neurons...17:11
lolcattimeless_xchat: Because I dont like cats17:11
timeless_xchathow about on a dog?17:11
lolcatI dont see why I would17:11
* timeless_xchat isn't sure what liking the animal has to do with it17:12
timeless_xchatsuch a process is clearly cruel and involves significant amounts of torture17:12
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timeless_xchatlolcat : changing your n900's cpu is roughly equivalent to changing part of that cat's brain17:13
lolcattimeless_xchat: Do you change tires on Hyundais?17:13
timeless_xchatand note we're talking about a *partial* transplant17:13
lolcatMaemo *only* runs on the cpu in N900?17:13
timeless_xchatthe n900 is commercial hardware17:14
timeless_xchatit isn't a bread board17:14
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timeless_xchatbut maemo *5* was *tuned* for the n900's specific hardware17:15
lolcatEven if my car is tuned for ethanol, I can still use gasoline17:15
timeless_xchatit needn't support any component not included in the n90017:15
GAN900lolchat, changing tires is like changing your battery.17:15
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lolcatGAN900: Not like changing the battery?17:16
timeless_xchatwould your car run on helium?17:16
timeless_xchator heck, diesel?17:16
GAN900lolcat, but can your car handle a V8?17:16
lolcatGAN900: And that was to make timeless_xchat understand that you don't fix things you don't like17:16
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* timeless_xchat fixes phones by changing batteries ("low battery")17:17
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lolcattimeless_xchat: Can you fix mine? the charger port died17:18
lolcatBut like17:18
lolcatI am upset17:18
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lolcatthe N900 is old, and there is not a single decent device on the market to replace it17:18
mtnbkrlolcat: agreed twice.17:19
achipalolcat: soon, soon... (TM)17:19
lolcatI will probably get a refund on my N90017:19
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mtnbkrNokia sold their soul to the Devil, and we are stuck with DRM, DRM, and more DRM as choices...17:19
lolcatBut I can't find a single device to replace it17:19
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lolcatNothing that is even close17:20
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timeless_xchatmtnbkr: when was this sale?17:21
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SpeedEvillolcat: Have you attempted to get a repair done?17:25
lolcatSpeedEvil: I have had two17:25
lolcatthird strike == refund17:25
lolcatSpeedEvil: 950usd back17:26
timeless_xchatwho paid >800usd for a phone? and why?17:27
MohammadAGcause Israel's taxes suck17:28
cityLightsShapeshifter: ding17:28
ShapeshiftercityLights: dong17:28
cityLightsMohammadAG: Israeli?17:29
cityLightsShapeshifter: hi there, and thanks for the alarmed program17:29
lolcattimeless_xchat: My insurance company xD17:29
MohammadAGNo, I just live there17:29
ShapeshiftercityLights: sure. you're Niv?17:29
timeless_xchatmohammadag: at least you don't have to deal w/ land line service in .IL17:29
MohammadAGkhertan, cool, can I suggest two things though17:29
MohammadAGkhertan, first of all, separate the merge request from the previous one17:29
timeless_xchathistorically it took ~2 years to get hooked up17:29
cityLightsI found it very helpfull when trying to understand how to use python-alarm17:30
ShapeshiftercityLights: if I was to purge the alarmd queue I would be deleting events made by the calendar or internal alarm app.17:30
MohammadAGsecond, wrap it in #ifdef Q_OS_S60 and #else, then we can request a merge upstream17:30
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, I do, it sucks17:30
cityLightsMohammadAG: when are you free for tea?17:30
MohammadAGI'm still on a 5MBps line cause only IL areas got optical fibres17:30
khertanMohammadAG: i ve included the first merge request in it ?17:31
khertanoups indeed ... sorry17:31
MohammadAGcityLights, late June, exams starting soon :P17:31
MohammadAGkhertan, yeah17:31
MohammadAGwell, exams are a low priority, graduation and stuff aren't17:31
MohammadAGkhertan, and use #ifdef Q_OS_S60, instead of removing the changes17:32
cityLightsShapeshifter: right, I assume that , so what happens if I call action = event.add_actions(1)[0] twice?17:32
* MohammadAG checks if a 10MBps line is available, would be useful for uploading those Qt binaries17:32
ShapeshiftercityLights: mhh, I'll have to look at the code real quick...17:32
cityLightsMohammadAG: pls pm your email so I can keep in touch17:33
cityLightsI am planing a simple program to silent the device when I am in a meeting then after it ends return it to general17:34
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cityLightsMohammadAG: did you ever meet matan?17:35
khertanMohammadAG: hum ... there is a thing i didn't understand : #if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) && defined(QT_NO_FREETYPE)17:35
khertandoes maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ?17:35
* timeless_xchat waits to fly to CPH17:35
timeless_xchatkhertan: i sure hope not..17:36
khertanso why modifying something inside the defined fix problem17:36
cityLightsShapeshifter: I guess I must keep my own track of events I add using my program to be able o remove them if I quit the program17:36
timeless_xchatshows there once was a ...17:38
ShapeshiftercityLights: oh, the 'event' is an instance of the alarm.Event() class which is done by Nokia in python-alarm. it's in their gitorious at You can look at the Event class.17:38
cityLightsthe action = event.add_actions(1)[0] line appears in the test script inside the pkg17:39
timeless_xchat is an interesting read17:39
ShapeshiftercityLights: did I catch that right that you want to develop your own app which does something prior and after some event? e.g. meeting? You're probably better off using python-alarm directly (although their documentation is kinda sparse) rather than look at the alarmed sources17:39
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cityLightsoh I only use import alarm17:40
cityLightsI looked at their test scripts to understand how it works17:40
cityLightsand your alarmed to get the bigger picture17:40
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cityLightstoo bad I can't simple read the alarm device17:41
cityLightsseems I must keep cookies17:41
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Shapeshifterwhat do you mean?=17:41
Shapeshifterthe queue is kept at /var/cache/alarmd/alarmd-queue.ini or something17:41
Shapeshiftercannot remember exactly but it's something like that17:42
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mtnbkrtimeless_xchat: The sale was completed when Nokia decided to go ONLY with windows Phone 7 for all future devices, and phase out Symbian/Maemo/Meego17:42
mtnbkrtimeless_xchat: just a few weeks back actually.17:42
ShapeshiftercityLights: true though that for example in alarmed I keep the event info in a distinct config dir because the queue itself can be full of other stuff from other apps17:42
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timeless_xchatmtnbkr : hrm, and how does that relate to drm?17:43
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timeless_xchatand note that "all future devices" is definitely *not* what nokia said17:43
cityLightsgreat , so I can read the /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini and look at what my actions do17:44
ShapeshiftercityLights: if I guessed correctly, yes17:44
Shapeshifterthere's a field action_command or something17:44
mtnbkrtimeless_xchat: re: DRM  all other choices are no where near as open as Maemo and I am not looking forward to the time I need to make a choice17:44
timeless_xchatooh, catering pulled up17:44
Shapeshifteror there's dbus calls as well17:44
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cityLightsok so now I need to understand what event.add_actions(1)[0] mean17:45
timeless_xchatmtnbkr : drm was coming with or without microsoft17:45
timeless_xchatso please don't blame microsoft for it17:45
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cityLights doesnt show the alarm.pyx source17:47
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cityLights line 54917:48
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ShapeshiftercityLights: yep, you need to keep track of what you create17:58
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ShapeshiftercityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome17:58
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MohammadAGcityLights, mohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com18:07
MohammadAG<khertan> does maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ?18:08
MohammadAGmaemo is Q_WS_MAEMO_518:08
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MohammadAGmaemo falls under linux/unix18:12
khertanMohammadAG: so why modifying code between if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) chang something18:15
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MohammadAGkhertan, what?18:28
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MohammadAGkhertan, shall I just make the edits and push it myself?18:29
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: cityLights: I'd suggest to use alarmed API instead of direct calls to alarmd, for such a relatively simple straightforward task like switching profile during meetings18:47
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DocScrutinizerthe alarmed commandline API is specifically designed to handle that class of requirements in a quite convenient way18:48
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DocScrutinizerit's just missing a symlink from /usr/bin/alarmed to /opt/alarmed/ ;-D18:55
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rm_workhrm, where is the database file for text messages / conversations stored?18:56
rm_workand is it just SQLite or something simple like that?18:56
rm_workI want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages18:57
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cityLightsDocScrutinizer: thanks19:01
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DocScrutinizercityLights: think of alarmed as a maemo specific replacement for crond19:41
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DocScrutinizeractually cron&at19:42
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anathaemamy n900 has been crap the past day19:47
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billmaniaanathaema: I'll bite. In what way?19:49
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anathaemaneed more ram19:51
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anathaemai'm gonna get a pandaboard for my bike19:51
anathaemacan you run maemo on pandaboard?19:51
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DocScrutinizerwell, partially maybe19:58
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DocScrutinizerif xou don't want internet connection daemon and other closed bits19:59
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DocScrutinizernor any gfx accel bits19:59
DocScrutinizernor battery charging or whatever19:59
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DocScrutinizeryou might want to have a lok at mer for that topic20:01
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: you might want to have a look at mer for that topic20:01
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RST38hMany white iPhone buyers also have black iPhone! --cnn20:03
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MohammadAGoh cool, X disappeared20:04
RST38hran away. scared.20:05
cityLightsShapeshifter: where do you initilize the dictionary we discussed eventInfo = {} ?20:06
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GeneralAntillesIt's going to be a pain commuting from Stanford into the city. . . .20:11
ds3where are you commuting to in the city?20:12
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GeneralAntillesds3: SF Regency Hyatt.20:13
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GeneralAntillesAround Pier 3, I guess.20:14
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ds3GeneralAntilles: Caltrain -> Bart?20:16
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GeneralAntillesds3: I guess, but I'd rather be in that damn hotel so I'd just have to walk downstairs.20:17
GeneralAntillesStupid sponsorship.20:17
ds3GeneralAntilles: what event is this?20:18
GeneralAntillesMeeGo Conference SF in May.20:19
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ds3ah that20:19
DocScrutinizer51too bad I don't participate. Whould have loved to have a pint with gan20:20
chxnot wanting to be a troll, but what that is going to be the funeral of MeeGo??20:20
DocScrutinizer51otoh it might be a depressing event ;-)20:20
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DocScrutinizer51chx: exactly20:21
GeneralAntilleschx, probably.20:21
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GeneralAntillesI'm planning mostly to get drunk with Maemo friends on Intel-provided booze.20:21
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, maybe there'll be another in German this Fall.20:22
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MohammadAGwhy all the hate on MeeGo?20:28
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MohammadAGit's actually not that bad20:28
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akssps011Is there a way to use my PCs internet connection on meemo/N900 ?20:34
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akssps011i.e. use my PC as a wifi router20:44
akssps011I found gnu box, but it doesn't seem to have an equivalent maemo package20:44
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ShadowJKMohammadAG, because the big majority of people (in the wider maemo "community") have different idea of what it should be20:59
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ShadowJKThey're expecting it to be an upgrade to Maemo, to add the missing stuff, like HTML5, Flash 10, Video Calls, Voice Dialing, Conference Calling, Ovi Maps nav, and whatever else there was21:03
ShadowJKFrom that perspective, it's more of a regression :)21:03
DocScrutinizerit's a regression anyway21:04
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MohammadAGwhat's the proper way to start X?21:04
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MohammadAGthat doesn't exist on maemo :p21:06
RST38hxinit then?21:06
MohammadAGneither does any letter of the alphabet21:06
RST38ha moment21:06
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: You're going to make it then?21:07
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Jaffa(to the conf)21:07
MohammadAGno initx either21:08
RST38hMohammad: /etc/rc0.d/K20hildon-desktop21:08
ProteousMohammadAG: did you try startW21:09
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JaffaHi anidel21:10
DocScrutinizerRST38h: MohammadAG: or start xsession?21:10
MohammadAGRST38h, that's for hildon-desktop, not X21:11
anidelhi Jaffa21:12
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GeneralAntillesJaffa: already bought a plane ticket.21:13
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GeneralAntilleswiretapped apparently lives in the city, so I may see if I can couch surf with him. If not, I've got a friend down near Stanford. . . .21:14
anidelGeneralAntilles, so you'll be there as well?21:14
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GeneralAntillesanidel, yeah.21:14
anidelGeneralAntilles, cool :) glad I'll be able to meet you again. I managed to organize a vacation trip around CA around those times and to be in SFO on Monday (actually on Sunday)21:15
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GeneralAntillesanidel: sounds like fun.21:16
anidelGeneralAntilles, yeah21:17
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RST38hMohammad: to me it looks like it should also start X in this file, at least there are no higher priority scripts to do that21:18
anidelGeneralAntilles: I hope the nice stuff will be seen on Monday, so I won't miss too much21:18
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GeneralAntillesanidel: just the drinking. :P21:19
* GeneralAntilles notes 25/5 is not 40/5.21:19
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: i will have to look up when that is21:25
GeneralAntilles23-25th of May21:25
rm_workGeneralAntilles: we've still only made it to a non-intersecting set of events21:25
GeneralAntillesrm_work, yeah, well, get to SF. :P21:26
rm_workwhich airport code is that21:26
rm_worki flew in there last year around June21:26
rm_workbut i don't remember21:26
rm_workah, SFO21:27
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rm_worklike $36021:29
ds3anyone know if there are newer settings for MMS on TMO?21:29
ds3seems fmms has not been able to download mms's for a while21:30
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rm_workfmms never worked well for me at all21:34
rm_worki was prolly doing it wrong tho21:34
rm_workanyone know where the database file for text messages / conversations is stored?21:35
rm_workI want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages, it's just a SQLite DB right?21:35
rm_worki know i messed with it before21:35
rm_workI just wish air transportation didn't cost SO MUCH #&*% MONEY21:38
rm_workif plane tickets were like $100 or less i could actually go places21:38
rm_workstill trying to get over the $450 tickets to get to WA for PAX this year21:38
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RST38hrm_work: Wait until prices double andpeople stopflying21:51
rm_workthen prices will be double21:52
rm_workso i won't be flying21:52
rm_work... as per your point :P21:52
yigalI have a question very tangential to #maemo but still of possible interest to some here.  I'm not young any more, 32, I have very little job experience, a masters in physics, and I'm tired of slugging my way towards some new degree.  If at all possible I would very much like a job as a computer engineer or something like this and working with open source software/networking would be even better.  My degree was in computational physic21:52
RST38hnobody else too, but the business travelers21:52
RST38hyigal:and your question?21:52
rm_workis your point just that "i will still not be flying, but will be able to complain with more conviction"? lol21:52
RST38hrm_work: won't even consider flying as a relevant activity21:53
RST38h(file under "cultural/social shifts")21:53
yigalAm I going down a bad path by investing some money and mostly time in trying to get a job with the description I've given?21:53
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yigalbad as in unlikely to be succesful21:54
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RST38hyigal: You are not21:54
E0xmaybe in the game industry if you can code you have some future , but i am just guessing21:54
RST38hyigal: But your success finding job will depend ona few factod21:54
RST38hyigal: 1) overall availability of CS/IT jobs where you live21:55
yigalnot so good, and am totally willing to relocate21:55
RST38hyigal: 2) Your hands on programming experience (i.e. whatever you can put on your resume)21:55
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RST38hyigal: 3) Your willingness to be flexible (i.e. accept a job that will not be open source related, or plain boring)21:55
yigalRST38h: thank you21:57
RST38hyigal: In general, employers will mostly look at your programming experience rather than your education21:57
RST38hyigal: If you do not have programming experience, go for a job in IT instead, requirements are more lenient there21:57
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derfIf you have time, contribute to open-source projects. They are great things to put on resumes, and any actual engineer in the hiring chain will love to see them, because they can just go read your code.21:59
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yigalRST38h: The only programming experience are simulations for my master's thesis in C++ but I'm proficcient in many other programming languages I just don't have much to show21:59
yigalderf: I will do that21:59
RST38hyigal: figure out the right wording to stick them onto resume22:00
derfMoo, RST38h.22:00
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yigalRST38h: ok, thank you, I tried to go to school for something medically related: med school or stem cell research took microbio,physio, organic chem. but I just didn't have enough energy and got all Bs, 3.0 no regrets it's just time to start working22:03
RST38hWell, it is your call, I doubt anyone can help you making it22:04
RST38hBut, if you do want a programming job, they should be obtainable22:04
RST38hUnless wherever you live has got some really outlandish employment rites22:05
yigalRST38h: I live in  California so I believe I will have to move but that's not a big deal22:05
yigalRST38h: thank you, now it's time to do some more research on what is really out there22:07
derfIt turns out there are a lot of programming jobs in California.22:07
derfSomething about a "Silicon Valley" or something.22:08
chxno shit, Sherlock22:08
yigalwhere ever I can find a job that pays => $35k I'll be ecstatic (if they don't make me bend over too often :))22:09
RST38hyigal: Not finding a programming job in California sounds like an oxymoron22:10
yigalRST38h: oh this is really good news22:10
RST38hyigal: and you probably should not consider anything <$60k/year nowadays22:10
RST38hless for IT22:10
yigalRST38h: I've really never looked at the job market I've only spent many many hours academically and hobby wise programming22:10
rm_workyeah... WHAT? how would you not expect to find a programming job in california?22:10
rm_workthat's like computer programming central22:10
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yigalyes but I'm not sure about the competition and I'm fine if it means I have to move22:11
RST38hyigal: Then you are asking questions too early :)22:11
rm_workyeah if you tell someone you'll do programming for 35k/year they'll hire you instantly22:11
rm_workregardless of skill22:11
RST38hrm_work: Will probably not hire you out of suspicion :)22:12
rm_workthere are a lot of companies who still think that hiring a ton of novice programmers for cheap is better than hiring just a handful of experienced ones22:12
rm_workso you're in luck :P22:12
yigalRST38h: had to put my feet in the water somehow, and thank you for indulging my curiosity22:12
yigaloh well that's even better :D22:12
rm_workfor the record, it's a HORRIBLE idea22:12
rm_workbut it's good for novice programmers :)22:12
rm_workRST38h: lol22:13
rm_workRST38h: shh, i'm good at what I do :P22:13
rm_workmaybe not as much as someone with 30 years of experience writing code every day22:13
RST38hrm_work: You have got a 35k/y job for him? =)22:13
rm_worklol no22:13
rm_worksomeone offered me 45k and i laughed at them >_>22:13
* RST38h looks at the paddle driver. Facepalms.22:14
yigaluntil I actually have a real job I just want to be cautious22:14
rm_workno harm in applying to some places, it is super easy to email your resume out to people :)22:14
yigalbut it looks good, and I have the patience for the job22:14
rm_workand tech market is in a hiring phase right now i think22:14
ds3okay, weirdest thing... polite/rude modes in FMMS fails but havoc works!22:15
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rm_workactually, the only thing that made me laugh about that 45k offer really was that when I said "that's very low for this area at my skill level" they said "no, that's industry average for this city" while i was busy getting 3 other offers for 1.5x as much22:16
RST38hrm_work: I have got funnier offers22:16
yigalhee hee22:16
RST38hrm_work: Like BUYING an iPhone/iMac from the client, writing an iPhone app for them, then getting $2000 and "maybe another $2000 if the app sells"22:17
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yigalanyone have a suggestion on how I should begin my search.  Should I use a generic job search engine for instance?22:19
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RST38hyigal: 1) Create LinkedIn account, create profile, upload resume22:19
RST38hyigal: 2) Same with Monster.com22:20
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rm_workfind companies in phonebook. look up websites. submit resume.22:20
rm_workworks better than you'd think22:20
rm_workthats what i did22:20
RST38hyigal: 3) Search for "software" jobs around your area22:20
RST38hyigal: 4) Wait for 1 week22:20
yigalRST38h: thank you, thank you22:20
rm_work4) Wait for 4 months22:20
rm_workone week is a bit fast :P22:20
yigalrm_work: no thank you, lol22:20
yigal4 months22:21
yigalyou're serious22:21
RST38hYea, although I would suggest freshening your resume and profile every week or so22:21
rm_workone week is a bit fast for companies that are actively seeking employees22:21
RST38htrue, but keep adjusting your profile22:21
rm_workit takes about a week for a resume to bounce around an office for someone to actually look at usualluy22:21
rm_workthen they gather them for a few weeks and then start calling favorite candidates for phone interviews22:21
RST38hOMG they talked Acer into building a ChromeOS netbook22:22
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rm_workweek or two later if they like you they will call you back for an in-person interview (it is now 1.5 months or more past when you sent in resumes)22:22
yigalrm_work: ty22:22
rm_workthen if they like you they will tell you a week or so later about an offer22:22
rm_workso that's around 2mo average if they are actively looking to fill a position immediately22:22
rm_workwhere i work now, it's not uncommon for people to get their first call 3 months after submitting a resume, and that's for positions that were open when their resume was recieved22:23
rm_workso i dunno where "one week" comes from, unless you are really lucky >_>22:23
yigalIn the mean time should I be taking some type of certificate course, .NET, or something I won't feel so bad about selling out?22:24
rm_workcertifications only help you in places you don't want to be working22:25
rm_workbecause they help you in places that base hiring decisions on certifications22:25
mecehas any of you had problems with git on N900 lately?22:25
yigalrm_work: but there are still enough jobs available where my skills can overshadow certificates22:26
meceI can't seem to pull or clone anything atm. I get Fatal: HTTP Request failed22:26
yigalrm_work: ?22:26
rm_worki would focus on helping with open source projects and just general skills practice, rather than trying to pass a cert22:27
yigalrm_work: sounds good22:27
RST38hyigal: better yet: write something on your own that you can show off22:27
rm_workbut like i said, it would be helpful at companies that base hiring on certifications, so if you don't have demonstratable skills to speak of, a cert will be SOMETHING to point to :/22:27
RST38hyigal: Helping with a big project may be fun, but you won't be able to show it off as effectively as your own stuff22:28
rm_work^^^^ what RST said22:28
rm_work"I wrote this" is a big help22:28
rm_worki got super lucky with #maemo22:28
rm_workright after i joined the community there was a really popular project that people were requesting, which fit right into my skillset22:28
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lcukrm_work, "I got drunk in Berlin" ?22:30
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rm_workshould get drunk with lcuk again22:30
rm_workgood times22:30
rm_workvaguely remember wobbling around at a mcdonalds22:30
* lcuk nods eagerly22:30
rm_workyou were drunk enough that you were saying ridiculous things while trying to eat a burger, and i was drunk enough that i shouldn't rightly remember the occasion but i got lucky :P22:31
rm_workthat's what i get for trying to go drink-for-drink with jott >_<22:31
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rm_workhuge german guy, vs. smallish built american kid == FAIL22:32
* lcuk was thinking about jott earlier 22:32
* rm_work was thinking about lcuk's blue laundry earlier22:32
* RST38h now knows where the damn jitter is coming from22:33
rm_workstill not sure what could cause that, unless the british use some weird caustic detergent that doesn't get along with american t-shirt printing inks :P22:33
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meceanyone here on their way to that qtquick seminar in helsinki next week?22:39
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jMCgI'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down".. i.e., something like
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RST38hYes, an Armadillo Can Give You Leprosy23:29
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SpeedEvilI was about to link to that.23:31
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Dhraak[n900]using xchat since I'm outside, and the computer inside running quasselcore is still down from a power outage last night23:31
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Dhraak[n900]wonder what it'd take to get quasselcore on maemo23:32
DocScrutinizer51actually I'm missing an app that allows arbitrary actions on arbitrary cmt events (like inbound SMS which matches certain parameters)23:33
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DocScrutinizer51sth similar to dbus-sripting, but for ISI23:35
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DocScrutinizer51a pitty friggin isi/phonet isn't strictly dbus based23:35
DocScrutinizer51same applies to calendar and contacts23:36
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DocScrutinizer51in fact maemo is rather non-uniform, compare for a way better unified approach to middleware23:37
DocScrutinizer51if meego would have adopted fso or at least the concept, it'd be of at least some attractiveness over maemo23:39
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RST38hGPS Maker TomTom Submits Your Speed Data To Police23:41
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DocScrutinizer51what a useless hoax23:44
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DocScrutinizer51what if I'm in a bus, a train, a plane?23:45
DocScrutinizer51simply sitting backseat of Toni Schuhmacher?23:45
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DocScrutinizer51honestly that's FUD23:47
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DocScrutinizer51tomtom is known to use feedback from their devices to detect stalling traffic23:48
DocScrutinizer51that doesn't mean a thing though23:49
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DocScrutinizer51actually I think this concept been invented on dash, a routing device built OEM by Opemoko, then sold to tomtom23:56
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