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| Spydemon | I'm trying to build an apps on my computer for my N900, so I use sbox, it is configured on FREMANTLE_X86, it is good, isn't it ? | 00:04 |
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| merlin1991 | Spydemon: FREMANTLE_X86 means you can test it on the pc, but that won't run on the device | 00:05 |
| Spydemon | I ask because gcc make me ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), wich aren't the binary used by the N900's processor :-( | 00:05 |
| Spydemon | ahhh ok ^^ | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 00:05 |
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| merlin1991 | FREMANTLE_ARMEL or however it's called | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | hehe MohammadAG you did beat me :P | 00:06 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, crack your knuckles, you might have to write a changelog tonight or tomorrow | 00:06 |
| lcuk | \o MohammadAG | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | fu | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | hi lcuk | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, :P | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | and o hi lcuk :D | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's o hai, not o hi | 00:07 |
| * MohammadAG sends merlin1991 a cheezburger for dummies book | 00:07 | |
| merlin1991 | hai == shark == evil | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | --> hi | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | (at least in finnish and german) | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | can I haz noodlez? | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | methinks merlin1991 should haz moar eggsamples | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Segmentation Fault | 00:31 |
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| merlin1991 | SWKOTOR segfaults all the time for me atm | 00:33 |
| Spydemon | printf() doesn't work on N900 ? I test a Hello world, the program seems to be well executed, but text isn't print into the terminal | 00:34 |
| nox- | tried running it from xterm? | 00:35 |
| Spydemon | yes | 00:36 |
| nox- | huh | 00:37 |
| nox- | forgot to include stdio.h? | 00:38 |
| Spydemon | nope, library is included | 00:38 |
| nox- | that's in C? | 00:39 |
| Spydemon | yes, compiled by gcc | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | nope, printf works fine | 00:39 |
| nox- | weird | 00:39 |
| nox- | Spydemon, crosscompiled? | 00:40 |
| Spydemon | yes | 00:40 |
| Spydemon | i use FREEMANTLE_ARMEL | 00:40 |
| nox- | ah might be something wrong there... | 00:40 |
| nox- | dunno | 00:41 |
| Spydemon | with cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 00:41 |
| Spydemon | yes may be | 00:41 |
| Spydemon | but the app seem to be good executed | 00:42 |
| nox- | so other lib fns work just not stdio? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace hello-world | 00:42 |
| nox- | *nod* | 00:43 |
| Spydemon | nox-, I have just tested stdio ^^ | 00:44 |
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| nox- | so what do you mean by executed well? | 00:44 |
| nox- | but yeah try the strace | 00:45 |
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| Spydemon | when I execute the app in xterm, I have no error during execution | 00:45 |
| nox- | ah | 00:45 |
| Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, Sorry, I must learn how work strace before I'm able to use this command :-\ | 00:46 |
| nox- | that just will print the syscalls | 00:46 |
| nox- | so you'll see if write() ever gets called etc | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | install strace - then do >>strace path/to/hello-world | 00:47 |
| Spydemon | ok | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see for sure if the prog gets executed or not | 00:48 |
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| Spydemon | tsss, I'm updating my depots, and it isn't fast -__-" | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strace is in tools repo | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace/ | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace | 01:02 |
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| Spydemon | ok thanks, i must add Fremantle SDK tools free armel to my depot list first | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install | 01:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | is it possible to modify RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin to boot in qemu | 01:14 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont want to download the entire QT sdk to get the maemo nand image | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher can extract parts from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | and you can mount rootfs.jffs2 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | that'll probably take more time to figure out than downloading the sDK | 01:25 |
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| Spydemon | updating depots are for you also so long ? :-\ | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | enjoy | 01:25 |
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| Spydemon | the update take ten minutes :x | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, sometimes | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually 5 | 01:28 |
| Spydemon | it's bad ^^ | 01:28 |
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| Spydemon | so, i've strace installed, but it wasn't in tools repo | 01:29 |
| Spydemon | even with your script | 01:29 |
| Spydemon | so I installed the apt-get version | 01:29 |
| Spydemon | but this version seems to work different | 01:30 |
| Spydemon | "strace hw" return : strace hw command not found | 01:31 |
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| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, yeah i ran unpack on the bin and it gave me a bunch of files | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon | nothing looks like anything qemu likes | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think you could run a armel kernel under qemu | 01:37 |
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| Sazpaimon | are you sure about that? | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | why not? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not *this* kernel | 01:38 |
| Sazpaimon | im pretty sure you could | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | kernel isn't a problem | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | qemu emulaton of N900 is quite decent | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | you need special nolo | 01:38 |
| Sazpaimon | i extracted everything in the bin, but I cant figure out what the mtdblock would be | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | ah | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | i just read back that stuff | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | that's not going to work | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | unless you spend lot of time making qemu friendly image first | 01:41 |
| Sazpaimon | so I *need* to download the entire qt sdk just to get the n900 nand image? | 01:41 |
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| jacekowski | no | 01:41 |
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| jacekowski | you can unpack that | 01:41 |
| Sazpaimon | so why cant i boot that in qemu? | 01:41 |
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| jacekowski | because NOLO will not boot in qemu | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | because qemu can't emulate features that N900 NOLO requires | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant by "*this* kernel" | 01:42 |
| Sazpaimon | i thought that was added recently | 01:42 |
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| jacekowski | well, kernel would boot | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | if you can convince nolo to boot it | 01:42 |
| Sazpaimon | my qemu 0.14.50 does have an N900 device setting, I see references to nolo in the source | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | there is special modified version of nolo | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | that runs in qemu | 01:44 |
| Sazpaimon | and i take it it isn't supported by the N900 image | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall some meego guys made NOLO run in qemu? | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | nokia did | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | there is ready made meego image | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | with modified nolo and everything you need | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | it has big part of cmt support stripped out | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | and some other things | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | but it is quite a lot smaller | 01:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | we've defintely had system-qemu | 01:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | but the performance is quite painful | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 01:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | so i wouldn't | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | there is image for that | 01:46 |
| Sazpaimon | so like, what in this image do I need to feed to qemu | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | but it's slightly different than image to run on phone | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure about powervr emulation | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | and if maemo requires it | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | Sazpaimon, what do you want to do actually | 01:46 |
| Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, strace says that I've a Exec format error | 01:46 |
| Sazpaimon | http://pastie.org/1817250 here's basically everything I extracted from the image | 01:47 |
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| Spydemon | so, it's still an error ^^ | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | Spydemon: really, if you don't know what to do then just download qt sdk | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | you want the Maemo SDK with the "emulator"? | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: no | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | the Qt SDK doesn't use qemu jacekowski | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: he want just the emulator without sdk | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm not sure what he wants | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | ahm | 01:47 |
| Sazpaimon | MohammadAG, there are some programs I'm trying to compile that wont work on the userland qemu | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | the Qt SDK has a "simulator", a shitty x86 target with a device wrapping the app window | 01:47 |
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| Sazpaimon | qemu just dies during compilation no matter what | 01:48 |
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| MohammadAG | and some options that can fake gps position etc | 01:48 |
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| Sazpaimon | so i figure I'll try it with the system qemu and see if it works | 01:48 |
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| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: well, as MohammadAG said, no option for system-qemu for maemo | 01:48 |
| Spydemon | jacekowski, i want juste exec a hello world program for the moment, not create a awesome program with GUI xD | 01:48 |
| Sazpaimon | jacekowski, seriously? so my only other option is compile on the device? | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | then get scratchbox | 01:48 |
| Spydemon | *just | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | scratchbox | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 01:49 |
| infobot | methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | Spydemon: ehh, that wasn't for you | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | Spydemon: what is the problem you have? | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | You don't need the QtSDK for a C app | 01:49 |
| Sazpaimon | jacekowski, like I said, qemu isn't working | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | you don't even need nokia-binaries | 01:49 |
| Sazpaimon | during compilation in scratchbox, qemu dies | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: as in what error message | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/8cnFaWff | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | Spydemon: hmm, do you have binformat misc support? | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i reported it to the qemu guys, they already know about it | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | [13:38] <pm215> Sazpaimon: that is an old-style cp15 data barrier, which qemu appears to not support in user mode | 01:50 |
| Spydemon | i dont know that jacekowski, i'll check | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i also attempted it with qemu 0.14.50 in scratchbox, same deal | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: paste bit more context | 01:51 |
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| Sazpaimon | hold on then, let me re run make | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/43797/ | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/77092 | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | solution | 01:52 |
| Sazpaimon | so i need to patch and rebuild qemu | 01:52 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, I can do that | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 01:52 |
| Sazpaimon | hopefully this works on 0.14.50 | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 01:53 |
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| Sazpaimon | no wait, i can't patch that version, it doesnt work with scratchbox | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | i have to go to london village tomorrow | 01:53 |
| Sazpaimon | where is scratchbox's hacked up qemu source | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Spydemon: you probably got a wrong target? do >>file path/to/hello-world | 01:59 |
| pupnik | http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/9067379.jpg | 01:59 |
| Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, yes, i do strace hl, instead of strace ./hl | 02:00 |
| Spydemon | now it's good | 02:00 |
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| Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, it's working now :p | 02:06 |
| Spydemon | in sbox, i've just choose to "install files on to the target" :-\ | 02:07 |
| Spydemon | i'll go to bed, it's late now in France :p | 02:17 |
| Spydemon | thanks DocScrutinizer and jacekowski for your help :-) | 02:18 |
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| pupnik_ | mubarak arrested :) | 04:25 |
| pupnik_ | and his sons :D | 04:25 |
| pupnik_ | thanks to bradley manning | 04:25 |
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| pupnik_ | the blue on the n900 is stunningly deep | 06:01 |
| pupnik_ | something is unusual about it | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | i have to reduce saturation on blue to match my laptop | 06:02 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 06:45 |
| TiagoTiago | i had to reflash my N900, and now i don't remember what was the secret to keeping enough space in rootfs after installing all my programs...is there a progam that will scan my rootfs and gimme a list of all files i can safelly symlink to somewhere outside that cramped little closet? | 06:47 |
| TiagoTiago | i already moved out most of the big files and folders i identifyied as belonging to installed programs or that aren't system files | 06:49 |
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| ds3 | is there a way to get the rss reader widget to show only feeds I want on the widget and not all of them? | 06:51 |
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| Sazpaimon | is it possible to use gcc 4.4 in scratchbox? | 07:29 |
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| derf | moooo0000000000000ooooooooooooooooooooo00000000000000o0o | 08:08 |
| RST38h | heya derf | 08:08 |
| derf | What's shakin'? | 08:11 |
| chx | ~moo | 08:11 |
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| RST38h | derf: Not much. Lots of work, no fun | 08:16 |
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| derf | Yeah, I know what you mean. | 08:17 |
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| psychologe | can somebody run MDK3 on N900? | 09:35 |
| psychologe | i want try to crack hide essid wep. | 09:37 |
| psychologe | can somebody give some suggest?how to ? | 09:39 |
| lolloo | ah MDK | 09:42 |
| psychologe | lolloo.ya,wireless ddos crack hide wep | 09:43 |
| lolloo | I have no experience but sound good | 09:44 |
| psychologe | can somebody interest it ?? and complie it to N900 | 09:45 |
| RST38h | do-it-yourself? | 09:46 |
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| psychologe | yes i agree,i want too,but now i can't do it, | 09:50 |
| psychologe | i study python,new to linux | 09:50 |
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| mece | psychologe, you can try to compile it directly first. perhaps it works :) | 09:58 |
| psychologe | ok,do it myself. | 10:03 |
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| Khertan1 | 1337 pourcent of Pi == 42 | 11:41 |
| Khertan1 | Morning ! | 11:42 |
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| user | Khertan1: pourcent? | 11:44 |
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| Khertan1 | 1337 * Pi / 100 | 11:44 |
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| jhb1 | Hi *, the status light is very dim (e.g yellow or green). When freshly booted, it sometimes starts of normal, but right now its very hard so see it all. Any ideas? | 12:16 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 12:31 |
| chem|st | morning | 12:32 |
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| mrAlmond | Hi all | 12:41 |
| Venemo | hi | 12:42 |
| mrAlmond | Just a question..does maemo use an Xserver + egl ? | 12:42 |
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| Venemo | mrAlmond, afaik Maemo uses Xorg | 12:45 |
| Venemo | mrAlmond, not sure about egl | 12:46 |
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| mrAlmond | I'm asking this because I'm doing something similar for an embedded device that has egl support | 12:47 |
| mrAlmond | on framebuffer everything is smooth | 12:47 |
| mrAlmond | but on xorg it's very slow | 12:47 |
| mrAlmond | As test application I'm using this one from maemo : http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example | 12:48 |
| Venemo | mrAlmond, well, I dunno what you mean by "something similar" | 12:48 |
| mrAlmond | I'm talking about the graphic stack | 12:48 |
| Venemo | mhm | 12:49 |
| mrAlmond | so qt + xorg + egl | 12:49 |
| Venemo | well, Maemo supports OpenGL ES | 12:49 |
| Venemo | I don't know what egl is | 12:49 |
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| mrAlmond | http://www.khronos.org/egl/ | 12:50 |
| mrAlmond | this example uses egl : http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example | 12:50 |
| Venemo | okay | 12:50 |
| Venemo | I'm sure someone knowledgeable will answer your question. maybe ask DocScrutinizer | 12:51 |
| Venemo | I have to leave now. | 12:51 |
| mrAlmond | ok tnx!! | 12:51 |
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| mrAlmond | DocScrutinizer: Hi | 12:52 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | mrAlmond: yes | 13:18 |
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| chem|st | mrAlmond: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL_ES_Libraries#Xlib%20%28X11%29 | 13:20 |
| mrAlmond | tnx but I've already read that page | 13:20 |
| mrAlmond | I'm trying to understand how maemo can have good performances using xorg and egl | 13:21 |
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| chem|st | there is no "good performance" in "xorg" | 13:23 |
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| mrAlmond | chem|st : So you mean that at the moment xorg + egl in maemo is not running smooth? | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm the wrong one to ask on that topic, dunno why Venemo pinged me :-D | 13:30 |
| mrAlmond | DocScrutinizer : :-D | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk might know | 13:30 |
| mrAlmond | lcuk : Hey, are you the right one to ask about? :-) | 13:31 |
| BCMM | what's the right way to make a native-looking text edit box in Qt? | 13:31 |
| BCMM | when i just use a QTextEdit, it looks wrong. the highlighting is buggy, and i can't scroll with a finger | 13:32 |
| BCMM | the qt-maemo-example app has the same problem... surely there is a way to do this? | 13:32 |
| BCMM | (specifically, i can't select text with the touchscreen either, and if i select with the keyboard, there is no highlight colour, the text i've selected looks normal, and the rest of the line vanishes) | 13:33 |
| chem|st | mrAlmond: the drivers are outdated afaik and so are the libs... | 13:33 |
| BCMM | i'm trying to get behaviour similar to the Notes app | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: notes is not qt I think :-P | 13:35 |
| BCMM | i know | 13:35 |
| BCMM | oh hang on. didn't see http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/maemo5-textedit.html before; i'll see if that does what i think it should | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt is kinda mindboggling fsckdup | 13:35 |
| BCMM | it is rather (on maemo) | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah on maemo, of course | 13:36 |
| BCMM | i know notes is GTK, but i would've thought one could at least to pretty text-selection in Qt... | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG | 13:36 |
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| trx | BCMM use style sheets for that | 13:36 |
| trx | (to make stuff pretty ) | 13:36 |
| BCMM | i'm impressed that an official example of a simple maemo text editor doesn't even work... | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, very impressive ;-P | 13:37 |
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| BCMM | though i don't know if qt-maemo-example is different from in any way http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/mainwindows-application.html | 13:37 |
| trx | damn mapped keys | 13:37 |
| lcuk | mrAlmond, sorry, IDK what you are talking about. I am looking over there <<<< at stuff atm, what do you want to achieve | 13:37 |
| trx | does anyone know how sys sends those keys to focused edit box? | 13:37 |
| BCMM | trx: i've never used stylesheets in qt, can they make the text highlighting look the way it should? | 13:38 |
| BCMM | (by which i mean, the way it looks in GTK, and teh way the same Qt code looks on a linux PC) | 13:38 |
| trx | BCMM you can do pretty much anything with them | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: topic been egl | 13:38 |
| trx | never styled a text edit before tho | 13:38 |
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| mrAlmond | lcuk : I'm trying to have good performances on an embedded device running qt + xorg + egl...I'm asking here because maemo has a very similar architecture | 13:41 |
| lcuk | how well does your app work on Maemo? :) | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: fool speaking "isn't that via X events?" | 13:41 |
| kwtm_ | Hi! Is there a maemo app that syncs decently with google calendar? Or even if it's some command-line thing that imports it into a vCal file or something... | 13:41 |
| trx | BCMM http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/stylesheet-examples.html check this page | 13:41 |
| Cor-Ai | kwtm_: mail for exchange | 13:42 |
| trx | DocScrutinizer probably, but the wierd thing is, X Term, Notes, etc (GTK?) are recieving them properly, while Qt apps do not | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I love your approach | 13:42 |
| mrAlmond | lcuk : Do you know which kind of xorg server version is running on maemo...and if it's using some sort of hw accelerations? | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, lol | 13:43 |
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| trx | Qt apps just recieve standard keys, which is frustrating :/ | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | mrAlmond, a good one, lots of people put incredible amount of effort to ensure it ran well | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | but if you have the device, check with dpkg-* functions to see the versions | 13:44 |
| BCMM | just built http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/maemo5-textedit.html , and it scrolls | 13:44 |
| mrAlmond | lcuk : So it's not an easy question....how can I obtain the maemo rootfs ? | 13:44 |
| BCMM | but hte selection stuff is the same | 13:44 |
| BCMM | no selection by finger, and keyboard selection is unusably wrong | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mrAlmond: see | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 13:44 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:44 |
| lcuk | mrAlmond, go to store, purchase n900? | 13:45 |
| kwtm | testing ... am I "kwtm" again? | 13:45 |
| kwtm | ok. | 13:45 |
| trx | BCMM : try to add : "selection-background-color: lightgray;" | 13:45 |
| lcuk | use code to download firmware | 13:45 |
| trx | BCMM (not tested) | 13:45 |
| kwtm | Cor-Ai: Sorry, mail for exchange ... is that a package, or are you asking me to send email to the maemo mailing list to find the answer to my question? | 13:45 |
| BCMM | trx: yeah, going to try that | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll need an arbitrary IMEI like 356938030954300 | 13:45 |
| BCMM | but then it'll be ignoring theme colours... | 13:45 |
| trx | yeah :/ | 13:46 |
| Cor-Ai | kwtm: its the name on the app :p google it and you will see! | 13:46 |
| mrAlmond | lcuk : clever, very clever | 13:46 |
| BCMM | this is kinda ridiculous... | 13:46 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: around? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | mrAlmond, you could also use the maemo package tool to see versions | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mrAlmond: stop bitching, say thanks to DocScrutinizer51 | 13:47 |
| lcuk | use the search here http://maemo.org/packages/ | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | sup | 13:47 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: doc suggested I ask you about Qt... | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mrAlmond: flasher can extract the rootfs image from fiasco.bin | 13:48 |
| kwtm | Cor-Ai: Thanks for the info. Wow, that's a huge thread to read through ... | 13:48 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: is it possible to create something like a QTextEdit, but looking correct? | 13:48 |
| mrAlmond | DocScrutinizer : Yes I'm looking at that, thak you | 13:48 |
| BCMM | (specifically, selection is all wrong in several ways in a regular QTextEdit) | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, why not use QStyleSheets? | 13:49 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: isn't that for overriding native colours and so on? | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | what's wrong with it? | 13:50 |
| BCMM | hmm | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | selection that is | 13:50 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: i'm trying to use the system's selection colour for the background of selected text... | 13:50 |
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| BCMM | at present, selected text looks like normal text, but the rest of the line looks invisible (white on white?) | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug in qt | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | Qt 4.7.2 bug | 13:51 |
| BCMM | oh, is that a known bug? | 13:52 |
| BCMM | ok | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, we heard it first time now ;-P | 13:52 |
| trx | how does something like that go unnoticed? :/ | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 13:52 |
| BCMM | sorry, for some reason i was assuming I had to do something to properly port the application | 13:52 |
| BCMM | like some sort of QSpecialMaemoTextEditThing | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, purge qt4.7.2 | 13:53 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: sorry, debian newbie - are you talking about downgrading to the previous Qt version? | 13:53 |
| chem|st | kwtm: MfE is pre installed | 13:53 |
| BCMM | (and how does one do that) | 13:53 |
| trx | damn i hate rx-51 | 13:53 |
| BCMM | (i mean, i am a debian newbie) | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: same here, but yes, 4.7.2 is borked it seems | 13:53 |
| trx | is there any documentation about how it works? | 13:53 |
| trx | (not the file format) | 13:54 |
| kwtm | chem|st: Yes, I'm reading about it now. Fascinating. So, then, the google calendar would be sunc (sync'd) to the built-in N900 calendar app? That's not too bad. | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ask moh | 13:54 |
| chem|st | kwtm: as I don't give google anything I don't know | 13:54 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: sorry to bother you again... how can i downgrade qt, and will everything break? | 13:54 |
| trx | BCMM do you have any mapped keys? | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | no, the point of Qt is to write code once | 13:54 |
| BCMM | trx: not quite sure what you mean | 13:54 |
| trx | like Shift + Fn + b = "{" | 13:55 |
| trx | etc | 13:55 |
| BCMM | trx: no, why? | 13:55 |
| chem|st | kwtm: if the world is a RTS game, google is the techy and we left it alone for too long already | 13:55 |
| trx | i wanted to ask you to test it on that text edit while you're at it | 13:55 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, and what about finger-selection, like in the notes app? is that possible? | 13:55 |
| trx | because they dont work on my controls | 13:55 |
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| BCMM | trx: apt-get install qt-maemo-example if you want to play with a plain QTextEdit | 13:56 |
| kwtm | chem|st: Actually, I only ended up giving Google anything because I didn't feel I had a usable calendar option on the N900. I can't remember what exactly the problem was ... I think I had trouble importing my calendar stuff from the Treo? Or was it the GUI that wasn't so good? Can't remember. | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually the calendar app is the least integrated closed app of the whole bunch, should be easy and painless to replace with anything better | 13:58 |
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| chem|st | kwtm: I just use the build in calendar for now, a sync to some online (free open at best at my servers) calendar would be nice but there is no caldav webdav support I know about | 13:59 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah but I don't know any "good" calendar apps neither | 13:59 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: so what's the current status of Qt for maemo? do you think there will be updates, or will bug reports just make Nokia laugh? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | frankly me neither, except maybe Kontact | 14:00 |
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| chem|st | on desktop I use orage or something | 14:00 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: What do you think of GPE calendar? Seems decent, except I wasn't sure if I wanted to "leave GPE summary running in the background so it can give me alarms", as the warning message said. This was when I was first fiddling with the N900, so maybe I should take another look. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: the 2nd half for sure, no idea about first half. Ask MohammadAG | 14:01 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: not sure i understood... | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have no idea about state of Qt, but I'm sure bug reports make Nokia laugh | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, current status is community supported | 14:02 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, ok | 14:02 |
| BCMM | hmm, trying to google for how to do this keeps giving me instructions for aptitude... | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | if someone could point me to where the selection happens in the source code, I might be able to fix it | 14:02 |
| BCMM | how can one block a specific version of a package? | 14:02 |
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| BCMM | like using gentoo's package.mask; such that automatic update to future versions is permitted | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | how sneaked 4.7.2 into your system? | 14:03 |
| BCMM | actually, i don't even know how to view available versions of a package on debian | 14:03 |
| kwtm | Hey question about 1.3.3.7 --I still have to pore over the wiki, but just to get some live feedback here --any stability issues or known issues with performance? If I upgrade to it (currently on PR 1.3), it's a firmware flash just like when I upgraded from PR1.2 to PR1.3? | 14:03 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: libqt4-core 4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo -- don't know how | 14:04 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: maybe installing freoffice? | 14:04 |
| BCMM | maybe due to having used apt-get upgrade in the past | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: BCMM: ask MohammadAG - I'm not sure if CSSU introduces fsckdup 4.7.2 | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: that's for sure evil | 14:05 |
| kwtm | ok thx. | 14:05 |
| BCMM | is this easilly fixable? or should i just reflash/install CSSU? | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | yes, CSSU introduced 4.7.2 | 14:06 |
| BCMM | but having 4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo is presumably still not normal? | 14:07 |
| mikki-kun | ou, wow, the new cssu did apparently make the inbuilt cam go awesome :) | 14:09 |
| mikki-kun | more fun options to choose from... | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | In what way? | 14:11 |
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| mikki-kun | choosable color options as it seems, a small button which makes a shot when you touch it (on the interface) and also a timer-function (i didn't see that one before) | 14:13 |
| mikki-kun | and when focused it does kinda calculate how far the object is away from you... which was... well, let's just say my room got enourmously bigger :D | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the community cam-ui replacement | 14:14 |
| trx | MohammadAG do you have any custom mapped keys on your n900? (if so, do they work on your Qt apps?) | 14:14 |
| mikki-kun | hm... must have been part of the cssu | 14:14 |
| mikki-kun | i didn't install to my knowledge a community cam-ui replacement... | 14:14 |
| BCMM | yeah, for me it appeared after a CSSU update | 14:15 |
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| BCMM | either i don't know how to work it, or it has a couple of proble | 14:15 |
| BCMM | ms. | 14:15 |
| trx | probleM$ :) | 14:16 |
| mikki-kun | x) | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I refused recent CSSU update, and I'm pondering to completely abandon it and go back to my private way to cherrypick fixes | 14:16 |
| ruskie | why? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU is way too much experimental and has no stability policy whatsoever | 14:17 |
| ruskie | so basically like a ton of projects out there | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems focused on bleeding edge, and that's not what I want | 14:17 |
| ruskie | agreed sadly | 14:17 |
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| Robot101 | if it's broken, it's not very seamless is it? :D | 14:17 |
| Robot101 | it should be called CSU | 14:17 |
| Robot101 | :) | 14:17 |
| ruskie | maybe you should setup your own repo for all those cherry picks.. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggested to have a stable and a devel CSSU, but no response | 14:18 |
| ruskie | would be nice | 14:18 |
| mikki-kun | well, if cssu does something i don't want it to and it freezes my device i am just too happy to flash it and restart from zero again... i've tried a bunch of stuff and i have some unneeded folders due to that... just to lazy to handpick them and kill them... | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fact is CSSU introduces more new bugs than it fixes old ones, right now | 14:21 |
| ruskie | what actually breaks? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly don't see how cam-ui by nicolai metts the matra of CSSU "don't include things that can get shipped via normal repo" | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meets the mantra* | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and inclusion of qt4.7.2 also seems a *bad* step | 14:23 |
| neal | How do I best detect when there is no cellular reception? If there is an ongoing GPRS call, I can watch for com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Suspended(5, "No coverage"), but that doesn't work if there is no on going GPRS call. | 14:24 |
| mikki-kun | phone-control from mohammadAG does have a command which tells you about your cell-reception iirc | 14:25 |
| mikki-kun | but that basically is as well some sort of dbus-command if my mind serves me right | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus signal | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | "signal" | 14:26 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: sure, but which one. | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=:1.21 -> dest=(null destination) serial=7039 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | byte 100 | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | byte 89 | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor --system | 14:30 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer do you by any chance have custom mapped keys in rx-51 ? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 14:30 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: are you implying that 100/89 means no reception? | 14:31 |
| trx | looks like no qt app can recieve those keys | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: of course not | 14:31 |
| neal | that makes no sense according to my understanding of the function the first is normalized signal strength and the second is negative dbm | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have good reception here | 14:31 |
| neal | I saw this: | 14:32 |
| neal | signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=5536 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change | 14:32 |
| neal | byte 83 | 14:32 |
| neal | byte 87 | 14:32 |
| neal | signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=5537 path=/com/nokia/csd/gprs; interface=com.nokia.csd.GPRS; member=Suspended | 14:32 |
| neal | uint32 5 | 14:32 |
| neal | string "No coverage" | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I see all sorts of those | 14:32 |
| neal | so it is not clear that no coverage is easily implied from the signal_strength_change signal | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | not the 'no coverage' though | 14:33 |
| neal | ok | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, GPRS no coverage may happen unrelated to signal strength | 14:33 |
| neal | so, that's just an aside, I guess | 14:33 |
| neal | I also saw on the phone no reception | 14:33 |
| neal | or rather no network operator displayed | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's more like a too low signal | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, define >><neal> How do I best detect when there is no cellular reception?<< | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my book >>no cellular reception?<< means signal too low | 14:35 |
| neal | Here's my revision: how can I detect when the cell phone is no longer connected to a cellular tower. | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you are interested in a different property of the complex OTA interface of GSM, you need to put different question | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no simple definition of "connected to" | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got status "associated to a service cell" | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you got status "signal is 'good enough'" | 14:37 |
| neal | good point | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got a T3212 timer that makes the MT (phone) renew its association (aka registration, login) every 60..600min, depending on carrier parameters set | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got C1,C2 critera (basically a treshold) for MT initiating a handover to a servicing cell with better signal | 14:43 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't the phone also listen on the signal channel for pages, etc. and can measure the reception that way? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does all the time | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's where your signal strength is from | 14:43 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: In that case, I'd suspect that it would know pretty quickly what the link quality is | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:44 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/microsoft_nokia_definitive_deal/ | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: that's also a common source of WTF? - the signal strength is a mere metric for downlink. Uplink may be totally different | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/08/2015_smartphone_forecast/ | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | hahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahha | 14:45 |
| * SpeedEvil has some reservations as to the above prediction. | 14:46 | |
| ruskie | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 14:46 |
| ruskie | of course they are only limiting the perdictions on smartphones | 14:46 |
| ruskie | I look at all cell phones | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Smartphones are going crashing dwn the price-scale | 14:47 |
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| ruskie | I hope that S40 will keep on chugging | 14:48 |
| ruskie | for when the n900 won't be able to anymore | 14:48 |
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| trx | anyone arround with custom mapped key (in rx-51)? | 15:08 |
| trx | keys* | 15:08 |
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| chem|st | trx: been there done that... | 15:10 |
| chem|st | currently std map | 15:10 |
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| chem|st | actualy I customized the xterm buttons to my needs | 15:10 |
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| trx | chem|st i have noticed that additional keys like eg Shift + Fn + B = "{" | 15:11 |
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| trx | do not work on Qt apps | 15:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | trx: I have a custom keymay, yes | 15:11 |
| trx | but work fine in GTK | 15:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | it doesn't work well in Qt | 15:11 |
| chem|st | hmm | 15:11 |
| trx | can you confirm this? | 15:11 |
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| chem|st | yes | 15:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes | 15:11 |
| chem|st | known issue | 15:11 |
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| trx | are there any workarrounds/ fixes for that? | 15:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | I told this to the Qt guys last year | 15:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | they say that custom keymaps are not supported. | 15:12 |
| trx | :| | 15:13 |
| chem|st | bad habbit afair | 15:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | yep | 15:13 |
| chem|st | trx: you have to use one of the maps known to Qt or it breaks | 15:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah, or fix Qt... | 15:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | the guy pointed me to a thousands of lines long cpp file | 15:15 |
| chem|st | why they did it that way remains mistery as idk WTH would want fixed maps | 15:15 |
| trx | that sucks | 15:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | they implemented the long-press blue symbols thingy in Qt | 15:15 |
| chem|st | qt is another "not an island" | 15:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | and that probably broke this somehow... | 15:16 |
| jaska | id rather rip out the long-press stuff than use a std map | 15:16 |
| chem|st | jaska: i++ | 15:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | I was planning on reverting it and compiling Qt for myself, but haven't had the time yet | 15:17 |
| trx | does qt even send anything or just ignores those combinations? | 15:17 |
| chem|st | I already prepared a foil for a new map.... | 15:17 |
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| chem|st | but then I recognized that the kbd backlight isn't strong enough (or the foil not RET 10) and I came along not working keys | 15:18 |
| chem|st | BUT | 15:18 |
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| chem|st | where do you need custom keys apart of xterm anyway? | 15:18 |
| trx | in my App, TxPad | 15:19 |
| trx | some users use them | 15:19 |
| chem|st | what is this for? | 15:19 |
| trx | code editor | 15:19 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 15:19 |
| jaska | everywhere i want to input stuff they didnt add, i dont like the popup input methods for special symbols | 15:19 |
| chem|st | sure or a code editor... | 15:19 |
| jaska | <>{}[] | etc | 15:19 |
| trx | i made pop-up button bar with those buttons | 15:19 |
| trx | but it would be nice if it could support custom keys too | 15:20 |
| chem|st | back to GTK+ then | 15:20 |
| trx | custom key maps* | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | chem|st: why do I need custom keys? I need óőúéáűíöü | 15:20 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N900: so you need some ´`~ iteration | 15:21 |
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| trx | well, i guess they will have to use that bar instead.. (it pops if prox sensor is covered) | 15:21 |
| chem|st | that is borked aswell | 15:21 |
| chem|st | that is something I'd love for mappero | 15:21 |
| chem|st | be fullscreen and turn windowed with buttons on prox-sensor | 15:22 |
| trx | btw, has anyone tried TxPad here? | 15:22 |
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| trx | i would love your input | 15:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | chem|st: nope. I need exactly those accented letters. for my daily communication. | 15:22 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N900: I know I mean the button kombination ´ followed by a char | 15:23 |
| chem|st | combination | 15:23 |
| ZogG | btw still no portrait keyboard on n900 | 15:23 |
| ZogG | =( | 15:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | chem|st: nope, I'm not interested in the ´ char at all. anyway, I simply just set up a custom keymap. problem is that it is borked in Qt apps | 15:24 |
| chem|st | ZogG: and no swype and no speech to text, no voice dial... | 15:24 |
| * ruskie really doesn't care about portrait mode... it's a landscape device... | 15:24 | |
| ZogG | voice dial? meh | 15:24 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N900: if I presse ` and a I get à | 15:24 |
| ZogG | chem|st, swype would be nice but at least portrait | 15:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | chem|st: sure but I have no ´ on my keyboard either. | 15:25 |
| ruskie | and no if you do need to operate it one handed then you really shouldn't be using the device in the first place it means you're doing something else as well... | 15:25 |
| ZogG | chem|st check if you can get compose key on n900 | 15:25 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N900: that is what I meant | 15:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 15:25 |
| ZogG | ruskie it would be nice though, on bus e.g. | 15:25 |
| chem|st | ruskie: smoking, holding a beer, dining a woman | 15:26 |
| ZogG | ruskie, i found the way to make RDS, but my n900 is dead | 15:26 |
| ruskie | :( | 15:26 |
| ZogG | Venemo_N900, btw did you play with dbus from C or C++? | 15:26 |
| chem|st | or holding the sealing bar in a bus... | 15:26 |
| ruskie | ZogG, took it to nokia repair yet? | 15:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | ZogG: yes, I've used QtDBus | 15:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's pretty simple | 15:27 |
| ZogG | ruskie i never tried it, but as i understand i just need to send to dbus message with song | 15:27 |
| ZogG | found program with src but don't understand all of it | 15:27 |
| ruskie | chem|st, so really nothing important where the device is actually required | 15:27 |
| ZogG | ruskie, no repairs here in israel, waiting for part for manual one | 15:27 |
| ruskie | seriously? | 15:28 |
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| ruskie | and you contacted the local nokia corporate? | 15:28 |
| chem|st | beer smoke and bus-handle is important we can talk about the wife! ;) | 15:28 |
| ZogG | Venemo_N900, ok as i get it back you'll help me | 15:28 |
| ZogG | ruskie no local nokia here | 15:28 |
| ZogG | only thru other company who represent them | 15:28 |
| ZogG | and they said as no n900 officially in your country — no go | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? Qt is rotten to the bones | 15:28 |
| ruskie | ZogG, contact the closet nokia corporate | 15:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nothing new is it? | 15:29 |
| ZogG | ruskie ^ | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the only new thing is some incredibly wise guys want to force us on Qt and thus ruin maemo | 15:29 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer lol | 15:31 |
| Dibblah | QT is great - If you're lacking a framework. | 15:31 |
| Dibblah | ie you need everything from process dispatching to a bubblesort. | 15:31 |
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| Dibblah | Admittedly, it does pretty much everything it does poorly - But it does do useful stuff. | 15:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: this is a maemo-specific qt bug btw. | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm allergic to Qt-maemo only | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, also to Qt-meego I think | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and to Qtmoko | 15:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | haha | 15:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, qt-meego should be a lot better. not sure about the moko one. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should qt-meego be any better? Did the use their chances to mess up the system more thoroughly? | 15:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | qt4-maemo5 is an overrated hack, made by poorly paid unqualified guys in a rushed timeframe | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly what it feels like | 15:40 |
| ruskie | so like most of todays software | 15:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | meego is different because there qt is actually developed and kept up-to-date | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | <yawn> | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 15:41 |
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| ruskie | Nokia's global mobile phone market share significantly fell below 30 per cent for the first time in 10 years during the company's first quarter <-- fun... | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm honestly afraid there'll evetually be a PR1.4 maemo meego-mockup hybrid Qt-fsck based "official" release for N900 | 15:43 |
| ruskie | fun | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka harmatten | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka harmattan | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | then everybody going "WTF?!!! nothing works, the device is useless now!" A: <nokia> "wait for next meego update" | 15:46 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: i hope that tech god dont listen you | 15:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lol | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody of council might want to write a blog post "why you should NOT use Qt on maemo" | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when that insane maemo-moblin merger got propagated (buzzword "how I learned to love the bomb"), Qt been the denominated golden bridge migration path from maemo to meego. Now we're left behind with a fsckdup Qt on maemo, and a rather unattractive perspective regarding meego at large on mobile phones. So WTF use a borked Qt anyway? | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you might be surprised about MeeGo N900 DE - it looks quite classy now and is having many issues ironed out | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought CSSU been the path to a sane up to date bugfixed *MAEMO*, not introducing a even more buggy Qt4.7.2 "migration path" BS to a meego that'll never come | 16:00 |
| lcuk | it has huge improvements in performance over recent months | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: so how is it ANY better than maemo? | 16:01 |
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| Dibblah | lcuk: Does it properly return to landscape after it's rotated now? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | Dibblah, seems to, yeah | 16:02 |
| Dibblah | Is whatever window / compositing manager functional? | 16:02 |
| Dibblah | Does the keyboard work? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I can run MeeGo handset builds on my big device | 16:02 |
| Dibblah | (I tried the MeeGo sneak peak install. Was not terribly impressed) | 16:02 |
| Dibblah | Press space - Get [pppppppp until you press another key. Yay? | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol | 16:03 |
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| Dibblah | Rotate to portrait - Back to landscape - Screen is left rotated by a couple of degrees. | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | well the main problem with the "big merge" is that it isn't a merge at all. | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | for example, MeeGo kernel doesn't have OMAP power management | 16:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | I asked, okay, why not apply the Maemo patches? | 16:04 |
| Dibblah | Using an xterm, the screen "sometimes" stops updating. All in all... Not impressed. | 16:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | and the answer was some whining that they can't use maemo kernel because idunno. | 16:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | so as I see it, they haven't reused anything from maemo at all | 16:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | they even re-wrote the desktop from scratch, with no real reason... | 16:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | anyway, let's just hope that after some time, meego will get it right eventually | 16:08 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: have you started to write that daemon yet? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: sorry, no idea what daemon you're talking bout. but no. And regarding morons that piss me about my allegedly spamming 50% of #maemo with whining about meego, I'm really more inclined to take lessons from crashanddie about BOFH | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | I was talking about the daemon which checks for accelerometer readings through some kernel events (instead of polling) | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, you mean a PoC that prints all kevents instead of only those related to e.g udev device add/change | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | I'm a BOFH? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure :-D | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | my favourite one | 16:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: nope, only print kevents from the accelerometer | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd inplement that via usual standard unix means like |grep then | 16:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | problem is, I know nothing about kernel events | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway this is just a PoC, as exactly this would have to go into QtMob | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. QtMob needs to open a NETLNK socket, register with kernel to receive kevents, then filter if the event is relevant for QtMob, and act accordingly | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need for any daemon | 16:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: right. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | But what puts it onto dbus? | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Everything has to go through dbus! | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err now? | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | no need to expose it in dbus | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, for several kevents this is done via ke-recv->hal right now, aiui | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway DocScrutinizer, if you can give me such a poc, I can make a patch to QtM that uses this approach | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas ke-recv doesn't bother about accelerometer kevents | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | KernelEvents-RECeiVe | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blob;f=libfsoframework/fsoframework/kobjectnotifier.vala;h=b4d6aca64d67e118a58fb11f72aa084b75f50fb5;hb=00c471c86667ad3d86610296a634496d746ec287#l61 | 16:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | are you even sure that the accelerometer events are exposed via kernel events? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | also compare source of udevadm monitor | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: not really, but I'm sure they *could* | 16:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | okay, but how? | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they aren't then it's a bug in lis302.ko that can get fixed at very least in PK | 16:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | PK? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E on CSSU | 16:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhmm | 16:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | the code you linked kinda speaks for itself | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | however, I'm not sure how to filter only the accelerometer the events | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: btw the lis3lv02.ko they use at meego-arm for SURE does NOT support kevents. It not even supports lis302 hw IRQ | 16:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhmm | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if QtMob is based on meego, then it's obvious why they fail epically on that | 16:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhmm | 16:28 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Venemo: ^ | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=tree;f=fsodeviced/src/plugins;h=6f02272ace8192019c39ac46e4c7fe5afd4878d7;hb=00c471c86667ad3d86610296a634496d746ec287 | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: what's this btw? | 16:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | will the same stuff work on n900? | 16:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 16:37 |
| ZogG | hey guys | 16:39 |
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| ZogG | i look at you and i cry =))) | 16:39 |
| ZogG | i want my n900 back | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: it's supposed to work on N900, at least with SHR distro based on FSO | 16:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SHR/FSO is using OE kernel | 16:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | OE=? | 16:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm, I need to leave the unviersity, so disconnecting the wifi | 16:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | will be back later | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OpenEmbedded | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so not the "proprietary" Nokia maemo kernel, though I guess for N900 they added quite some of the Nokia patches | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess I meant it's a 'normal' kernel, no less normal than meego and maemo one | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the lis302dl.ko driver might be OpenMoko based | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but the Nokia driver is nice too, and I'd be surprised if it wouldn't support kevents | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the meego "upstream" lis3lv02.ko OTOH... :-S | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | joystick driver | 16:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 16:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | what language is the code that you linked me in? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | vala | 16:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rather c'ish | 16:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | can I do this stuff in c++ too? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | I mean, sure I can, but what libs/includes do I need? | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSO1 even been written in python ;-D | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSO2 is a re-implementation in vala | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: /join #openmoko-cdevel, ask mickeyl the author | 17:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | okay | 17:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | btw, didn't you say that om went out of business? | 17:02 |
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| Sazpaimon | is it possible to use gcc 4.4 in scratchbox? | 17:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm not sure | 17:08 |
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| Sazpaimon | I'm trying to build php but it uses a function that's broken in arm gcc 4.2 | 17:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | Sazpaimon: maybe you could compile the newer gcc too? | 17:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | Venemo_N900, wouldn't I need to compile an x86 multiarch gcc for scratchbox to use? | 17:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | i dont think i could use a native ARM gcc from within scratchbox | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | Sazpaimon: i have no idea | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I use libraries from a dir instead of those from $PATH? | 17:32 |
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| * Khertan1 smell qt test ... != | 17:34 | |
| E0x | MohammadAG: whatevery you are using need have the option of specific lib path | 17:35 |
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| frals | LD_LIBRARY_PATH? | 17:37 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, still loads Qt 4.7.3 | 17:38 |
| * MohammadAG needs to test 4.7.2 | 17:38 | |
| frals | hm, usually works for me | 17:39 |
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| frals | setting RPATH when linking should do it | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, lis302dl.ko driver of maemo kernel definitely should support kevents on sysfs | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c#223 | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no more excuse to use polling | 17:47 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: any progress in the "qt text selection bug" ? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | example implementation of how to use kevents there -> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blob;f=libfsobasics/fsobasics/kobjectnotifier.vala;h=69b643cba72f89d847a04fed01dada72081ca2dc;hb=06c3855c111dfeb44873a54c2d59cbbfebfc9c54 | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | vala, but meh | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple enough | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | QtMob needs to do same thing on maemo | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | next one bashing me with "don't bitch, apply patches to Qt" will get kicked! Definitely! | 17:50 |
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| Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer, you are not bitching currently. | 17:51 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, you are now actually making some progress. | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, looking into it atm actually | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also nota bene this lis302 kernel driver supports kevents, but afaik the one used at meego does NOT | 17:58 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so, let's look at the meego implementation of QtM and let's have a laugh at it too | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's "upstream" nevertheless, to compensate for that deficit ;-P | 17:58 |
| Venemo | xD | 17:59 |
| psychologe | hello | 17:59 |
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| psychologe | crs welcome | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, just in case some meegans lurking - the meego lislv302 driver is here afaik: http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/blobs/master/drivers/hwmon/lis3lv02d.c#line47 | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 59 * The sensor can also generate interrupts (DRDY) but it's pretty pointless... MUHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's pretty pointless to give brilliant hardware to fools that have no clue | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohmy, joystick driver, seems I said that before | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sowhat? it's upstream and has lis302 in the name, it MUST be ok for meego | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* bitching mode again... | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey I'm only bitching to make you aware about *real* state of meego development, and why it will take looong time until it reaches a productive level regarding power management etc | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | those dudes always tell me "we'll care about that later - first get a working system" THIS WON't FLY | 18:12 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, you made me laugh with these comments. | 18:16 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, now I'm curious about the MeeGo version of QtM | 18:17 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: i ask because i m still looking where it could be | 18:22 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, hmmm... | 18:22 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, have you actually read those sources? "it's pretty pointless because they are generated even if the data do not change" | 18:22 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what the hell does this mean? the accelerometer polls itself? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, this dude wasn't capable to read and UNDERSTAND the lis302dl datasheet | 18:23 |
| Venemo | care to enlighten me? | 18:24 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what is it that he failed to understand? | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the whole point of IRQ threshold engines in lis302 | 18:26 |
| Venemo | mhm | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan1, I built the same source for my PC, but can't figure out how to use the libs | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: I frankly admit you have to change thresholds prior to resetting IRQ, or it might fire again immediately | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (if you're not using highpass) | 18:28 |
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| Venemo | I have no idea what highpass is... | 18:30 |
| Venemo | anyway, I trust the guys who wrote the N900 kernel on Maemo did their job well | 18:31 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: how ... i build them in scratchbox and i ve install them in scratchbox | 18:33 |
| Khertan1 | never try on real desktop | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: in LIS302 the highpass is a "DC offset filter", a way to get a signal that's 0 if input signal is steady | 18:34 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: yes, the N900 Nokia lis302 driver is rather decent. It only is missing a few capabilities, like enabling highpass via sysfs node | 18:35 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so, what is the frequency at which lis302 sends interrupts? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: so if on LIS302 you trigger IRQ in output of highpass !=0 you get a convenient motion detector | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: it sends an interupt whenever the IRQ generator sees an event (like highpass out !=0). You (the user) configure the parameters of the events | 18:37 |
| Venemo | sounds pretty decent | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually there's no "frequency", an IRQ signals something really happened - I.E the orientation changed | 18:37 |
| Venemo | well, currently I'm not talking about orientation, but raw accelerometer data. in that case, what does "something really happened" mean? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got TWO of those engines | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing. You can read data any time you want | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LIS302 can create a data ready strobe IRQ whenever a new sample is available | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for POLL | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, ./configure with the same parameters, make, make install | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you use this operation mode for high data rates (maybe vibration recording, earthquake detectors, whatnot) to avois aliasing between LIS302 internal clock and the driver reading each sample | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, so it seems the best way I'm going to get gcc 4.4 working is to actually backport it on hardware | 18:42 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you don't want this mode for mobile devices | 18:42 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so what mode do I want? | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan1, can't reproduce on my PC either | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | event triggered mode | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | i downloaded the QT SDK last night, and it seems like it comes with a NAND image for maemo 5 pr 1.3 that boots in qemu | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | i guess I can use that | 18:42 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, and what is considered an "event" in that mode? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: enable highpass, set IRQ to fire if any of X' Y' Z' is !=0 (it *changed*), then read out the new absolute values nad reset IRQ | 18:44 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, ahh, that makes sense | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | anyone know about this nand image that comes with the qt sdk? is it basically the stock PR 1.3 image found in the FIASCO image? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as if ever my posts would make sense ;-P | 18:45 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, however, pieces in puzzle-master should continue drifting even if nothing changes. so at the end, I still end up doing something N times per second. | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | uname -a reports "Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unkown" | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | *unknown | 18:45 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon, that is no news | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, I'm aware, I'm wondering if this is the same nand image found on the fiasco image | 18:46 |
| Venemo | dunno, I have PK | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | if so I think this may be better development environment than scratchbox | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: it's no problem to poll coords of acceleormeter if you're doing anything anyway. It's *BAD* to poll them just for deciding "nothing changed, should have stayed asleep..." | 18:47 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, but that's the whole point. QtM doesn't poll and see if it's changed or not. | 18:47 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, it polls and sends the results of the poll always. | 18:47 |
| Venemo | afaik | 18:47 |
| Venemo | but I may be wrong in this. | 18:47 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, anyway according to their docs, it should work the way you described | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, if you have a app waiting for an orientation change, then you don't want your app or QtM poll the g-meter constantly | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ω | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fecking bad aim. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: eh? | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cmd-v keeps turning into Opt-v. | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: maemo lis302 kernel driver supports kevents on IRQ from lis302 threshold trigger engines. Reading from /sys/*/coords means the raw data is fetched from chip - this is polling, and this is what QtM does based on a QTimer all the time aiui | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | The 20-year-old son of Kaspersky Lab's CEO has reportedly gone missing, with kidnappers said to be demanding 3m for his release! | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: mce is handling the threshold settings (echo 754 >/sys/*/threshold) and also is listening to kevents afaik, to detect orientation changes. QtM does NOT | 18:55 |
| * RST38h wonders if he should laugh satanically at this point | 18:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: NB atm the maemo lis302.ko has no way to enable highpass | 18:58 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so, at the end of the day, we would gain nothing even if we changed QtM. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so mce probably is dynamically adapting the thresholds and trigger config at large, to get next kevent when the device is changed to other than recent orientation | 19:00 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 19:00 |
| Venemo | so, does it still have a point to bother with this? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter what mce does, there MUST not be two concurrent handlers for accelerometer | 19:00 |
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| Venemo | understandable. | 19:01 |
| Venemo | hmm | 19:01 |
| Venemo | in the meantime, I was looking at the MeeGo implementation | 19:01 |
| Venemo | of QtM | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, QtM can still listen(!) to kevents and only read /sys/*/coords if something is happening | 19:01 |
| Venemo | it seems to be a lot more robust than the maemo one | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, the lis3lv02.ko of meego definitly is braindead | 19:02 |
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| Venemo | maybe so, but the QtM of meego is not. or seems not to be | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly I'm not too much interested in meego (anymore) | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | QtM accelero of meego *can not* work properly, with this kernel driver meego is using | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why we see this filesensor polling shit | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 19:04 |
| Venemo | no filesensor polling shit in meego accelerometer implementation | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they leave polling to app level? | 19:05 |
| Venemo | nonono | 19:05 |
| Venemo | they use some stuff called "sensord" | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, so this one is doing the polling then | 19:05 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I'm not sure what it's doing, but I see no code for polling | 19:07 |
| Venemo | if we could find "accelerometersensor_i.h" and its cpp file, then we could have the answer | 19:07 |
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| Venemo | god, it's still not it | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look at http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/blobs/master/drivers/hwmon/lis3lv02d.c#line63 | 19:09 |
| Venemo | yes, you showed it to me already | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>The values are updated at 40Hz (at the lowest frequency), but as it can be pretty time consuming on some low processor, ***we poll the sensor only at 20Hz...*** enough for the joystick<< | 19:10 |
| Venemo | yep, that is what the driver is doing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 20 times / second read out coord data from chip, FOR NUTTIN | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't cure that on any higher level | 19:11 |
| Venemo | indeed, but I want to find out whether the higher level is any better or not | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can't as the driver doesn't support any sane (I.E. IRQdriven kevents) concept | 19:13 |
| Venemo | sure, but I'm wondering if it _would_ be any good if the driver _supported_ it. | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why meego is fsckdup regarding power management. And QtM must be fsckdup as it's basing on that | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NB this is only one of several dozen peripherals. No idea why meego should be more sane on any of the other ones | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | wondering about what QtM COULD be like, if only meego wasn't fsckdup is moot | 19:16 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, actually, I think MeeGo's QtM does the right thing. | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | i CAN NOT | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui the lis3lv02 driver doesn't support kevents or any other sane event driven concept | 19:17 |
| Venemo | I understand that | 19:17 |
| Venemo | however, its QtM reads stuff from some socket as far as I see - which is exactly what we want to implement in Maemo's QtM | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, nice if it tries to use kevents on a NETLINK socket | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it would actually work if only kernel was sane | 19:18 |
| Venemo | yeah | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe, if they also would care about setiing up lis302 chip trigger engines correctly | 19:19 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly duty of sensord | 19:19 |
| Venemo | yepp... | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway all that is meego BS and I gave up on explaining them about it long ago | 19:20 |
| Venemo | I still am not 100% sure what sensord does exactly | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so o/ | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, is there a channel for shr? | 19:29 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I'm curious what DE does shr use | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | om-cdevel | 19:29 |
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| Venemo | in what manner is shr related to om? | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SHR is a distro founded on a 'merger' between OM2008 distro and dunno QtMoko? | 19:35 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, aaah, so SHR is a continuation of OM | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somewhat | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSO has SHR as reference "platform" | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though FSO is a platform/distro independent middleware | 19:41 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:41 |
| Venemo | why don't they co-operate with the meego project? | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego wasn't interested | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I asked about using FSO which for sure is the superior alternative to QtM, but the answer was "wait til system is working, then you can supply patches" (SIC!) | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 19:45 |
| Venemo | very nice | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ofono attributed FSO as "simple stupid AT interface to modem", so meego is using ofono instead FSO | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIH syndrome, all over the place | 19:46 |
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| Venemo | NIH? | 19:48 |
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| Venemo | ah. yeah DocScrutinizer - MeeGo stinks from NIH | 20:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | well i installed the power kernel in the N900 qemu image and that makes it not go into a gui | 20:13 |
| Sazpaimon | yay things | 20:14 |
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| Sazpaimon | i can still access the console though | 20:15 |
| Sazpaimon | so whatever | 20:15 |
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| citylights | can anyone pls help me with dbus and python? | 20:37 |
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| citylights | I mean why does mdbus2 com.nokia.profiled is empty? | 20:40 |
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| citylights | how should I print com.nokia.profiled.get_profile | 20:42 |
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| pupnik_ | battery idle drain is 35-46 mA | 20:57 |
| pupnik_ | 10 times too high | 20:57 |
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| pupnik_ | hildon-desktop maenotify | 20:58 |
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| pupnik_ | ok maenotify gone | 21:00 |
| pupnik_ | hildon desktop is where my trojan is eh | 21:00 |
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| MohammadAG | citylights, what do you want to do? | 21:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | anyone know how to write a proper NAND image using the mtdblocks of my device | 21:22 |
| Sazpaimon | do i just combine all 6 together? | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | citylights: you're aware of 'mdbus2 -i' mode, and tab expansion | 21:25 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/ merit badges for nerds +++ | 21:32 |
| ZogG | http://funkyimg.com/u2/484/220/fa.jpg | 21:34 |
| derf | http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/products/printerhero | 21:34 |
| derf | This has already happened to me once this week. | 21:34 |
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| pupnik_ | it's funny ad copy | 21:40 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.scq.ubc.ca/sciencescouts/the-have-violated-the-posterior-of-an-animal-in-the-name-of-science-badge/ | 21:45 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.theeffectslab.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=116223#116223 (Bert from Sesame Street) | 21:53 |
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| uhsf | is it possible to download maps to the n900 and use them without Internet access? | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:03 |
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| uhsf | I tried placing map files in ~/.nokia-maps but it doesn't work | 22:03 |
| uhsf | I tried a maps package I found with 0-9,a-f directories | 22:06 |
| uhsf | does it need to be placed in another directory? | 22:06 |
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| pupnik_ | uhsf: don't place large files in your home directory | 22:08 |
| uhsf | it's only 13% full | 22:10 |
| uhsf | do you know a page with instructions for maps on n900? | 22:11 |
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| pupnik_ | uhsf: only what google tells me | 22:28 |
| uhsf | i don't know what nokia was thinking when they made the maps application, it's so incredibly crappy, the gps doesn't even work where i live | 22:30 |
| chx | move to a place where the sky is visible. | 22:33 |
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| compengi | hello, i type alot on virtual keyboard and i encountered a few problems with it when i try to edit some text in it. after i leave the virtual keyboard mode, the text sometimes seems to be messy | 22:35 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/texas_jury_says_google_infringed_linux_patent/ <-- you're joking right??? | 22:36 |
| compengi | i experience something similar to this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42272 | 22:40 |
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| nox- | ruskie, software patents ftl | 22:47 |
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| pupnik_ | nox-: did you log into daimonin yesterday?? | 22:50 |
| nox- | what? i dont even know what that is... :) | 22:50 |
| pupnik_ | ok someone named Nox did | 22:50 |
| nox- | ah ok, some game i presume? | 22:50 |
| pupnik_ | ya | 22:50 |
| nox- | yeah was not me | 22:50 |
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