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| cityLights | what is wrong with this dbus python script? http://dpaste.com/534495/ it doesnt work | 00:08 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, what is the proper dbus command to turn off vibrations on the n900 and reactivate them to the normal settings? | 00:20 |
| mikki-kun | pupnik: hm, so around 3 mA is a usual battery drain then for it? | 00:21 |
| pupnik | mikki-kun: i get around 5-6 with wifi + ssh and battery monitor | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | What are you using for measuring? | 00:22 |
| mikki-kun | pupnik: which battery monitor are you using? i am using a script which is called bq2700.sh | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | and, 5-6 is very low. It's equivalent to a week of standby | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | wow, mine get's around 80 mA... | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | with wifi, but also skype | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | bq27200.sh is my script :) | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | lol, -53 watt XD | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | but mine doesn't give watts :) | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | missed the "m" while laughing =p | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | or mwatts :P | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | 80 is kinda high for: screen off, wifi, skype | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | 80 mA that is | 00:24 |
| pupnik | ShadowJK: thanks for the script - use it all the time | 00:25 |
| mikki-kun | arghs, yeah, amps it is actually, not watts which are given... (both *10^-3 for coorect units) | 00:25 |
| mikki-kun | but now i am getting adfter removing from th charger -50 mA... | 00:25 |
| mikki-kun | cool, were do i draw the energy from? | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | From the battery | 00:26 |
| mikki-kun | my electrosmog in the room?! | 00:26 |
| kerio | skype sucks power | 00:26 |
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| ShadowJK | - means that battery is discharging. If there is no "-", that means that the battery is getting charged. | 00:26 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, ok, then it makes sense x) | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | So if you want to measure how much power things use, you can't have charger connected | 00:26 |
| mikki-kun | but -60 it is for me without skype :/ | 00:26 |
| pupnik | well there's a problem with hildon-desktop (bug known) consuming cpu | 00:26 |
| pupnik | that's my current drain | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, do you do "./bq27200.sh 5" ? | 00:27 |
| mikki-kun | yup | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | ok :) | 00:28 |
| mikki-kun | man, killing py processes just draws more batt-power as they get restartet... | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | Ok, so I'm at -33mA myself, with wifi+skype+irx | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | irc* | 00:28 |
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| mikki-kun | ahhh, for christs sake... i might redo my n900 and just just use selected apps... | 00:30 |
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| mikki-kun | been installing stuff i never used once just to have it once i might need it... | 00:30 |
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| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: are you using the CSSU? | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 00:31 |
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| ShadowJK | catorize (or whatever it was called, the thing htat lets you rearrange your menus) is a known battery hog, btw | 00:32 |
| mikki-kun | i am using apmefo | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | might be fixed in cssu actually, not sure | 00:32 |
| mikki-kun | and actually it does help me getting faster through my menus | 00:32 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh and i am using like 2 widgets only and two desktops from which one is empty | 00:33 |
| pupnik | well don't freak out about standby drain | 00:33 |
| mikki-kun | so i got down from heavy widget-usage to just two, recaller and the conversations inbox | 00:33 |
| pupnik | hehe | 00:33 |
| mikki-kun | pupnik: i freak out about the battery drain at my university | 00:33 |
| mikki-kun | 300 mA is a minimum on their wifi... | 00:33 |
| pupnik | waow! | 00:34 |
| mikki-kun | my poor n900 goes down in no time | 00:34 |
| mikki-kun | and i am on powersaving... | 00:34 |
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| ShadowJK | no power saving support in the wifi access points :) | 00:34 |
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| mikki-kun | seems so... they sure need some of that online | 00:40 |
| mikki-kun | and they are the ones talking about "energy efficieny" | 00:41 |
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| mikki-kun | btw, is there somehow a way i can check which dbus-commands are being transmitted when i switch certain options? | 00:43 |
| BCMM | is there a complete list of extra classes in maemo-qt somewhere? | 00:44 |
| BCMM | (it's kinda hard to find them by comparing http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.7/classes.html and http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/classes.html by eye) | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, dbus-monitor | 00:52 |
| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: hm, is there one already preinstalled? | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 00:53 |
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| BCMM | gah | 00:54 |
| mikki-kun | hm, do you know a way on how i could call it? :) | 00:54 |
| BCMM | "QTextEdit and QPlainTextEdit are fully Maemo 5 style guide compliant. This means that these widgets will not show scrollbars, will not allow the user to select text and will not have kinetic scrolling enabled by default." -- so Qt isn't supposed to be able to do something like the Notes app? | 00:54 |
| mikki-kun | no scrollbars? immense phail imho | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | dbus-monitor --session | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | or something | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | lots of output | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | try --help and -h | 00:55 |
| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: thanks, so it was for once a pretty straight forward command... | 00:56 |
| mikki-kun | omg Ö.ö yeah, lots of output indeed Ö.ö | 00:56 |
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| mikki-kun | lol, no -help x) | 00:58 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: it's the lack of selection that bothers me | 00:58 |
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| BCMM | the Notes app (GTK) has kinetic scrolling and finger-selection | 00:59 |
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| mikki-kun | well, they merged with micro$h17 didn't they? their phones don't have c&p as well... | 00:59 |
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| mikki-kun | may i ask what you are coding? :) | 01:07 |
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| MohammadAG | <BCMM> the Notes app (GTK) has kinetic scrolling and finger-selection | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | sure it has kinetic scrolling? | 01:19 |
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| MohammadAG | oh cool, dsme is open | 01:46 |
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| ds3 | open == source available? | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/dsme/ | 01:48 |
| ds3 | hmmm backport to Mer | 01:49 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: quite right, i feel stupid now | 02:05 |
| BCMM | i'd been quite instinctively scrolling by extending the selection, without even realising it | 02:06 |
| BCMM | how do i get the current user's home directory in Qt? QFile::open doesn't seem to like # | 02:07 |
| BCMM | to like ~/ much | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | getenv("HOME") | 02:09 |
| BCMM | ah, QDir::homePath | 02:09 |
| BCMM | oh, that too | 02:09 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: that uses the environment variable? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Qt for sure has a way more nifty way to do it | 02:10 |
| BCMM | QDir::homePath() seems to work | 02:11 |
| BCMM | thanks though | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG | there's another method I think | 02:13 |
| BCMM | it ought to support ~/ | 02:14 |
| BCMM | i mean, if you let the user put in a path, and it has a ~/ in it, do you have to fix it yourself? | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | I think there's a method to get ~/ on Linux, C:/Users/user on Windows etc | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | oh that should work nvm | 02:16 |
| nox- | getpwnam()? | 02:17 |
| nox- | (and then pw_dir) | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | i so hate not having an escape button | 02:24 |
| Venemo | pupnik, remap the keyboard and make yourself one | 02:24 |
| pupnik | what, "Q" | 02:24 |
| pupnik | ? | 02:24 |
| pupnik | great idea | 02:26 |
| pupnik | you remove 'q' from all instances of writing and programs on the planet | 02:27 |
| pupnik | then i'll map it to escape | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ~ is a shell thing | 02:27 |
| BCMM | it's also kinda a unix convention | 02:27 |
| BCMM | plenty of GUI apps work right with ~/ | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | no filesystem has a notion about meaning of ~ | 02:27 |
| BCMM | true | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | I might be wrong but I think ~ works in Qt | 02:28 |
| BCMM | but it's not just a shell thing | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually ~ is a shortcut for ${HOME} | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | qDebug() << QFile("~/file").exists() | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | while ~user is even more complex | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | if it works in Qt, that should be true | 02:29 |
| BCMM | it's a shell thing and a file manager thing (for any reasonable file manager) and a file-open dialog thing (for any reasonable toolkit), etc. | 02:29 |
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| nox- | <nox-> getpwnam()? <- ~user | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: sure a lot of apps try to conform shell behaviour and syntax | 02:31 |
| BCMM | QString fileName = "~"; does not work and QString fileName = QDir::homePath(); does, in my application | 02:31 |
| nox- | its a useful convention | 02:31 |
| BCMM | (it is appended to afterwards) | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but they could as well use ½ instead of ~ | 02:31 |
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| nox- | haha ½ | 02:32 |
| BCMM | yes, but they don't. all sensible shells use ~, and so do all sensible GUI apps | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, still it's a shell thing, whatever shell you're using. Might be a file-open requester in Qt or whatever, but it's hardcoded there | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | QString fileName = "~"; will set the filename to '~' | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you'll literally get a file named '~' if you open() for rw | 02:38 |
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| MohammadAG | let's try that :p | 02:39 |
| nox- | yes sure | 02:39 |
| nox- | just for user input you should expand ~ | 02:39 |
| nox- | and ~user too | 02:39 |
| nox- | (ok the latter i guess is less important on a phone...) | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo bla >\~x | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ls -l ?x | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 4 22. Apr 01:40 ~x | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | and you're right | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | \ is a shell thing, just like ~ | 02:43 |
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| nox- | yep | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:/home/kicad> HOME=/home/jr/ | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:/home/kicad> cd | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:/home/jr> HOME=/home/jr | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon | /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: relocation error: /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: symbol _ZNSt8numpunctIcE22_M_initialize_numpunctEPi, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon | uhhhhhhhhhhhh | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon | what is scratchbox doing | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lt-t-locale has been linked against a different version of libstdc++.so.6 | 03:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, I see that, but how did it happen | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | is there some scratchbox gotcha that i missed? | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | i never had a problem like this until i switched to the x86 target | 04:29 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:30 |
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| penguinbait | baaaaah! | 04:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | foo | 04:53 |
| mikki-kun | hm, did anyone else ever have error -110 when trying to flash their n900? | 04:56 |
| mikki-kun | i mean on the dmesg side... | 04:57 |
| mikki-kun | not from flasher itself | 04:58 |
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| jacekowski | happens | 05:31 |
| jacekowski | that was cannot enumerate the device? | 05:31 |
| jacekowski | that error -110 | 05:31 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh, ok, got it... the n900 needed a coldboot | 06:01 |
| mikki-kun | i mean coldflash | 06:02 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 06:04 |
| pupnik_ | what are you doing to your device | 06:05 |
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| mikki-kun | i did remove the nokia logo... | 06:11 |
| mikki-kun | but wanted to reflash it now after a whle | 06:11 |
| mikki-kun | got a lil slow and such stuff | 06:12 |
| mikki-kun | i assume it might have been caused by the nokia logo... but now that i know my way around it... | 06:12 |
| mikki-kun | but the usb worked seamlessly before the flashing | 06:12 |
| mikki-kun | and even after rebooting my netbook (one of the few occasions i change to a new kernel, yay to bleeding edge again x)) and still seeing it fail i assumed i must coldflash and got it done then :) | 06:14 |
| pupnik | rhm | 06:16 |
| mikki-kun | now remaking my important files | 06:18 |
| mikki-kun | i hope those close to 200MB were mostly only emails... | 06:18 |
| mikki-kun | sadly if you important contacts you need to import mail... | 06:18 |
| pupnik | meh | 06:20 |
| mikki-kun | i don't want some other random crap back like useless dirs | 06:20 |
| mikki-kun | i know, sounds pretty clean but once in a while it just has to be | 06:20 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, clean n900 booting fast :) | 06:21 |
| mikki-kun | meh, and now installing app manager.. | 06:22 |
| mikki-kun | i mean with the app manager.. | 06:22 |
| pupnik | why? | 06:22 |
| pupnik | ah | 06:22 |
| mikki-kun | cause it's the only one capable of having the backup-list... | 06:22 |
| mikki-kun | i hate it really it being the only one capable of doing it :/ | 06:23 |
| pupnik | i'm so impressed with real programmers | 06:23 |
| mikki-kun | pupnik: but it's awesome to have removed the NOKIA-logo which shows up after reboot (jacekowski did there the work actually, without him i would have been really lost) | 06:24 |
| pupnik | hmm i dunno why you don't like the logo | 06:24 |
| mikki-kun | cause it's a huge NOKIA logo... i mean i know have one, they don't need to show me :) | 06:25 |
| pupnik | :) | 06:25 |
| derf | Wait, how do you remove that? | 06:25 |
| mikki-kun | derf: with magic and a lot of indepth knowledge on nolo... | 06:25 |
| derf | Yes, I know that much. | 06:26 |
| mikki-kun | which board do you have? | 06:26 |
| mikki-kun | i might be able to supply you with what has already been done | 06:26 |
| derf | Probably not, as I don't even understand your question. | 06:26 |
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| mikki-kun | *sigh* i can't find the thread from talk which points on how to find it out | 06:34 |
| mikki-kun | but i am not sure if it is really stable | 06:34 |
| mikki-kun | and when youbreak on this level something it is more prone of truly turning into a brick i guess | 06:35 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 06:43 |
| mikki-kun | ohh, found the two responsible commands though... i just overlooked them | 06:43 |
| mikki-kun | cat /proc/component_version; cat /proc/cpuinfo <--- those two shoudl show your your board-version in one of them | 06:44 |
| pupnik | hw-build 2101 here | 06:45 |
| derf | Hmm, my device is sitting on my desk at the office and not responding to ssh. | 06:45 |
| mikki-kun | :) we have the same board then :) | 06:45 |
| mikki-kun | most probably laggy wireless on it | 06:45 |
| derf | Yes. It interacts pretty terribly with the router we have there. | 06:46 |
| pupnik | i have to keep a ping running on my device | 06:46 |
| pupnik | to ssh to it | 06:46 |
| mikki-kun | it does help to prevent it dying | 06:46 |
| mikki-kun | luckily my home-network is pretty good though | 06:46 |
| pupnik | did you see lcuk's fix for wobbly power connector? | 06:47 |
| pupnik | he opened the board and inserted a shim between the usb connector and the thing right above it | 06:47 |
| pupnik | opened the unit | 06:47 |
| mikki-kun | wuhu, 79 days on-time for my server :) | 06:49 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, haven't, my usb is pretty solid so far | 06:49 |
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| mikki-kun | the only thing i am concerned about might be uberbig power-draw | 06:49 |
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| mikki-kun | and my install takes like 780MB :/ | 06:50 |
| mikki-kun | but i still left two or three apps which are nice to have, like stellarium :) | 06:50 |
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| mikki-kun | if the weather gets warmer i might just go out and look at the stars | 06:50 |
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| yigal | hello, I decided to do the previous Community Update and when I rebooted I lost my /home/MyDir partition I'm not sure what /dev it is or if I've really lost it. Anyway it's been about a week and I'm wonderig if anyone has an idea as to what has happened to it :) | 08:45 |
| yigal | thanks | 08:45 |
| yigal | n900 user sorry | 08:45 |
| robbiethe1st | yigal: open a terminal | 08:46 |
| robbiethe1st | sudo gainroot | 08:46 |
| yigal | ok root coming one sec | 08:46 |
| robbiethe1st | then try "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" | 08:47 |
| yigal | ok one sec | 08:47 |
| yigal | robbiethe1st: one sec I've got to make a new folder as MyDocs has been populated by a few other things in the mean time | 08:47 |
| yigal | yikes it's giving me weird stuff, but ty that makes good sense | 08:49 |
| robbiethe1st | So? it'll mount over top of em | 08:49 |
| robbiethe1st | and "hide" them for you | 08:49 |
| yigal | I need to ssh into my sweet n900 one sec | 08:49 |
| yigal | I'm not sure why it's telling me this | 08:51 |
| yigal | /home/user # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 MyDocs | 08:51 |
| yigal | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on MyDocs failed: Invalid argument | 08:51 |
| yigal | ah no relative path one sec | 08:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea | 08:51 |
| robbiethe1st | absolute path | 08:51 |
| robbiethe1st | and it's mount what where | 08:52 |
| yigal | same problem? | 08:52 |
| yigal | /home/user # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs | 08:52 |
| yigal | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs failed: Invalid argument | 08:52 |
| yigal | it's in /etc/fstab | 08:53 |
| yigal | not sure if that helps | 08:54 |
| yigal | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0 | 08:55 |
| yigal | that's its entry | 08:55 |
| yigal | I'm gonna reinstall mount? | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | yigal: is there /dev/mmcblk0p1 at all? | 08:56 |
| yigal | yes | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | mount | grep mmcblk0p1 | 08:57 |
| slonopotamus | mount can give invalid argument if device is already mounted | 08:58 |
| yigal | one sec I used sudo su which initially appeared to work as I didn't install gainroot on this machine, so I think robbiethe1st's suggestions are valid | 08:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh | 08:58 |
| robbiethe1st | what's in /home/user/mydocs now? | 08:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Cause yea, it /may/ be mounted | 08:59 |
| yigal | not mounted | 08:59 |
| yigal | df mount no sign of 0p1 | 08:59 |
| yigal | but one sec, and thank you for the help | 08:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Go install Backupmenu; reboot with keyboard open, plug it into a PC via USB, hit "w", and access it that way | 09:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Then you can back things up and restore as needed | 09:00 |
| * slonopotamus wonders if "one sec" is the latency | 09:00 | |
| yigal | ok, one sec ~ 5-10 minutes sorry for lack of quantative precision | 09:01 |
| slonopotamus | yigal: you're just saying it over and over again :) | 09:01 |
| yigal | ya, my root access is going berzerk | 09:02 |
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| yigal | can't win, :D | 09:02 |
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| slonopotamus | yigal: so, "mount | grep mmcblk0p1" outputs nothing? | 09:03 |
| yigal | ok rootsh and backupmenu installing via faster app manager wish I could apt-get these but well hopefully after the download | 09:04 |
| yigal | slonopotamus: mount | grep 0p1 - gets nothing | 09:04 |
| slonopotamus | okay. now, is there anything in dmesg after you try to mount it and get Invalid argument? btw, to be sure, mount with "-t vfat" flag | 09:05 |
| yigal | no same bad stuff after gaining root through, "root" via rootsh package | 09:05 |
| robbiethe1st | sure | 09:05 |
| robbiethe1st | can't help | 09:05 |
| yigal | slonopotamus: good point one sec | 09:05 |
| robbiethe1st | *hurt | 09:05 |
| yigal | robbiethe1st: ahh, you tried dude, that's huge | 09:05 |
| robbiethe1st | All I can really say is that filesystems on the N900 can be finicky; most of the time it's the OptFS that dies, though | 09:06 |
| yigal | ya the file system isn't ext* so I'm not expecting much :D | 09:07 |
| yigal | well parts are but not the personal storage | 09:07 |
| yigal | slonopotamus: no dmesg doesn't seem to have anything in it? | 09:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, the optfs /is/ ext* (ext3 I think) and it ends up dying for some people quite a bit. The FAT32 mydocs should be fixable, though it may require access from a PC | 09:08 |
| slonopotamus | robbiethe1st: /opt is same fs as /home, surprise. and it's plain ext3 | 09:08 |
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| yigal | hmm will the, fsch.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1, something like that I should try that | 09:09 |
| yigal | then I'll call it quits | 09:09 |
| yigal | thanks dudes | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, yea. /home/user/MyDocs however is a different filesystem; I just call the home/opt "optfs" | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | yigal: should be dosfsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 09:10 |
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| yigal | why? mmcblk0p1 is vfat | 09:12 |
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| yigal | I mean if we're using defaults | 09:13 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yes; dosfsck = fsck for fat | 09:15 |
| yigal | but fsch.vfat is also? | 09:16 |
| robbiethe1st | ones a simlink to the other | 09:19 |
| robbiethe1st | but it's 'fsck.vfat' | 09:19 |
| robbiethe1st | K, not H | 09:19 |
| robbiethe1st | a lot like F**K :P | 09:19 |
| yigal | lol | 09:21 |
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| yigal | for me it's just easier to remember fsck.<TAB><TAB> | 09:23 |
| yigal | you're more l33t | 09:26 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 09:28 |
| pupnik | confusing - nothing taking up cpu yet 30mA is consumed | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | maybe oprofile kernel module | 09:33 |
| robbiethe1st | pupnik: /evetything's/ off? including all radios? | 09:34 |
| pupnik | no but i had below 7mA before with wifi on and ssh running | 09:34 |
| robbiethe1st | that seems too low... | 09:34 |
| pupnik | hmm | 09:34 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean, you'd be talking /at least/ 10mA in transmitted power, figure 20-30mA into it | 09:35 |
| robbiethe1st | plus what's needed for the CPU at 250mhz most of the time | 09:35 |
| pupnik | running wifi without encryption btw | 09:35 |
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| pupnik | let's see how it does after rebootthen | 09:36 |
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| pupnik | after reboot down to 5-7 mA battery use with ssh + wifi robbiethe1st | 09:41 |
| robbiethe1st | wow | 09:41 |
| robbiethe1st | What about with screen on? | 09:41 |
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| pupnik | that is variable with brightness | 09:41 |
| pupnik | over 110 | 09:41 |
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| kerio | how do i check that? | 09:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably with a couple of wires, a multimeter, and a benchtop power supply | 09:54 |
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| trumee | shortcutd with proximity sensor is very flaky | 10:24 |
| trumee | most of the time proximity sensor doesnt work | 10:25 |
| trumee | the camera sensor/button works perfect though | 10:25 |
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| trumee | crap, proxymityd wasnt running. wondery why? had to reinstall shortcutd | 10:33 |
| trumee | and now it works | 10:33 |
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| zr0 | when i refresh tracker on my n900, i always seem to get a few random songs shoved into "untitled album", "untitled artist" that are tagged correctly. what gives? | 10:42 |
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| zr0 | and this is after i run a short script to remove all .mediaartlocal dirs within my media | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mooo | 12:07 |
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| kerio | µ | 12:39 |
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| cityLights | I am trying to call a method every 1sec using gobject. http://dpaste.com/534592/ why do I see output only once? | 12:58 |
| piggz | i seem to have an issue with the uboot packate for kernel-power...whenever i install it, it boots the sd card, but not kernel-power...ive no problem with the regular uboot, am i being stupid? do i ahve to instal the kernel and uboot part ina particular order? | 12:59 |
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| keks-n | Why do you use uboot instead of multiboot? | 13:01 |
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| keks-n | I have kernel-power, nitdroid and BackupMenu now. With multiboot it's quite simple | 13:02 |
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| user | keks-n: cool | 13:04 |
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| keks-n | BTW, is there any autobuilder in garage? I still have no access to extras-devel but want to check that my packages compiles in it | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: multiboot is crap and strongly deprecated | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | piggz: uBoot is packaged with the kernel | 13:06 |
| keks-n | But it works | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | piggz: ...I.E. both live in same partition and can't get installed separately | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: actually no it doesn't | 13:07 |
| keks-n | But why it boots everything I tell it? | 13:08 |
| piggz | keks-n: to boot meego | 13:09 |
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| keks-n | MeeGo isn't usable yet | 13:09 |
| piggz | keks-n: so? | 13:09 |
| keks-n | BTW, have anyone managed to boot meego using kexec? | 13:10 |
| piggz | DocScrutinizer: so, it should be just a case if installing uboot-power? (which i have tried im sure) | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | piggz: there's a powerkernel+uBot pkg somewhere in extras-devel | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | which I'm using on one of my devices and works fine | 13:12 |
| piggz | http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/ ? | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (thanks MohammadAG ) | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | piggz: yes | 13:13 |
| piggz | DocScrutinizer: well, i may aswell try again, worst that can happen is i have to reflash the kernel (again!) ;) | 13:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, not exactly. Kernel needs its modules | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody likes to forget about that detail | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | most common cause of bootloops | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but for me installation of that uboot-power pkg was straight forward | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's important to install modules kernal flasher all 3 in right sequence. HAM will take care | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | installation via apt-get takes a tiny bit more care about what you're doing | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw that's (modules) exactly why multiboot is broken - you can't deinstall it | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it will mess up system beyond recover (= flash it) when you interrupt the insane flashing of kernel and modules at *each* boottime | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also installing any new kernel after multiboot got installed will break at very least multiboot, but likely also the new kernel and thus the whole system -> reflash | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ergo: multiboot is crap, nobody except nitdroid folks needs it, and so it's deprecated | 13:29 |
| robbiethe1st | ^^ One hopes it will die, but just like VB, it will probably linger around for years, causing pain for everyone | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | (nitdroid folks as well could have changed to use of uBoot since long - simply they don't care about all the problems they cause, as long as their crap works) | 13:30 |
| keks-n | >>just like VB | 13:30 |
| keks-n | What do you have agains it? | 13:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Is there any protocol for getting rid of dangerous packages? Flashing the kernel on boot seems 'dangerous' enough to me... | 13:31 |
| robbiethe1st | ;) | 13:31 |
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| keks-n | A good language for the times when it was released | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: pester x-fade to nuke the package :-D | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | BASIC never been a good language in any respect | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | And now, there's almost no reason to ever see or use it | 13:32 |
| keks-n | VB was the best solution for COM interaction | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 13:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, perhaps that's the problem? | 13:33 |
| keks-n | Have you ever tried to interact with COM from C++? | 13:33 |
| keks-n | It's nightmare | 13:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Get rid of COM? | 13:33 |
| keks-n | In 90-th? | 13:33 |
| keks-n | lol | 13:33 |
| ruskie | nobody has still gotten rid of COM an windows :( | 13:34 |
| * robbiethe1st raises hand | 13:34 | |
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| keks-n | Hm... | 13:36 |
| keks-n | It looks like, that I've got it working | 13:37 |
| keks-n | Mono 2.10.1 + GTK bindings + MonoDevelop | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MONOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mo-NOOOOO! | 13:38 |
| keks-n | http://habreffect.ru/files/d3b/c928e6172/Screenshot-20110422-143626.png | 13:38 |
| keks-n | Lol'd | 13:38 |
| robbiethe1st | EEW | 13:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Keep those evil Windows things out of our pristine Linux machines! | 13:38 |
| keks-n | coolface.jpg | 13:39 |
| robbiethe1st | also, read http://thedailywtf.com | 13:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer now finally has a walk to bathroom - throwing up | 13:39 | |
| robbiethe1st | Ouch | 13:39 |
| keks-n | At least mono is better then java | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | VB, COM, now even MONO... too much | 13:40 |
| keks-n | OK. What do you suggest? Python? | 13:41 |
| robbiethe1st | I dunno; Java /does/ work cross-platform, relatively fast. Not nearly as good as native, but oh well... | 13:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Python, C++... | 13:41 |
| keks-n | Mono also work pretty fast | 13:41 |
| keks-n | Faster then python | 13:41 |
| keks-n | I'm using it to host ASP.NET applications on my Linux servers and have no problems with perfomance | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, and it only brought my 512MB desktop intel system to a grinding halt like 50 times | 13:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, you could probably port it to PHP and do 10x as much with the same computer | 13:42 |
| keks-n | Actually I've ported the engine FROM php | 13:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Admittedly, PHP's not great... but I'd use it over Mono. | 13:42 |
| keks-n | And got about 5 times better perfomance | 13:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Optimize it better, then? | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when some gasheads at Suse decided to build their new packet manager with mono components (buzzword red carpet) | 13:43 |
| keks-n | Why should I use php instead of compilable language with strong typization? | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Because of that last bit. Loose typing makes things easy. | 13:44 |
| keks-n | lol | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Let me just say that I won't have Mono installed on my desktop or computers. Nor Silverlight. Flash is OK(but I block it all the time), and Java is... a necessary evil. Mainly for Runescape. | 13:44 |
| keks-n | I use it for web | 13:45 |
| Venemo | keks-n, so you managed to get Mono 2.10 working on Maemo? | 13:45 |
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| keks-n | Yep | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | I dispise MS products now, ever since they came out with a "student version" of VB6 that didn't have the "web control" element or whatever it was called. They lost my buisness /forever/ with that little thing. | 13:45 |
| Venemo | keks-n, just ignore them. I'm happy we finally have Mono | 13:46 |
| Venemo | robbiethe1st, Mono is not an MS product | 13:46 |
| robbiethe1st | No, but what it runs /is/ | 13:46 |
| Venemo | nope | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I hope installation comes with a free RAM upgrade to 512MB at very least | 13:46 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, :P | 13:46 |
| robbiethe1st | It would be like saying OpenJDK isn't an Oracle/sun product; Sure, OpenJDK wasn't developed by them, but the language was. | 13:47 |
| robbiethe1st | .net == microsoft. Mono wasn't, but who cares? Language still has MS stuff in it | 13:47 |
| Venemo | and who cares? | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mono definitely is the most evil rogue resource hog BS thing I ever seen on any unixoid machine | 13:48 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, that was true maybe 5-10 years ago. but not now. | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh sorry, I forgot this c+++++ library, what it's called? BOOST | 13:49 |
| keks-n | Don't remind about it -_- | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost has the potential to beat MONO on BS-factor | 13:49 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, for example, the Banshee media player (which uses the evil Mono) consumes less resources on my machine than Totem movie player (that's written in C) | 13:49 |
| robbiethe1st | But seriously, for something like the N900 you want as much optimization as you can get: Python works good for GUI-scripting, as all the /hard/ stuff's being done natively in C++. Most intensive code should be done using C/C++ for performance, IMHO. | 13:49 |
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| Venemo | robbiethe1st, ever heard of JIT? | 13:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. And, near as I can tell, it will /never/ be as fast as a good standard compiler | 13:50 |
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| keks-n | I'm thinking about enabling AOT-cache for it | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | python has JIT | 13:50 |
| Venemo | robbiethe1st, well anyway, don't use it if you don't like it. | 13:51 |
| robbiethe1st | I won't, thank you very much. | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mono, the useless porting effort of a redmond based me-too java competitor | 13:52 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, you wouldn't say that if you actually knew it better. | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know it well enough to know I know it too good already | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wish I never had heard of it :-P | 13:53 |
| Venemo | haha | 13:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo: Also - JIT relies on specific per-arch optimisation, for obvious reasons. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know how I learned to know about what's MONO? while digging thru ps and trying to unlock my machine | 13:55 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, correct. and? | 13:55 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so how come that it works for me? | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 13:56 |
| Venemo | haha | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me mono is for windows amateurs that want to use their useless windows knowledge on unix, rather than learning about proper methods | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | IT'S AN INVASION!!! | 13:58 |
| keks-n | Haters gonna hate | 13:59 |
| keks-n | It's good for cross-platform development. The bundle with the runtime and GTK bindings is about 10-15M | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 14:00 |
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| keks-n | And the same binaries work on all platforms | 14:00 |
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| keks-n | Can be obfuscated as well | 14:01 |
| keks-n | The best solution for easy development of commercial cross-platform applications | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course, a lib based on a language M$ invented as they didn't like to adhere to java standards, now is good for cross platform | 14:01 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, java is horseshit and you know it. | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | it HAS TO BE, as for sure that's been the major goal of M$ when inventing .net | 14:02 |
| Venemo | I haven't seen any sane java application yet. | 14:03 |
| Venemo | so yeah | 14:03 |
| ruskie | I haven't see any sane .NET app yet as well | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here for .net/mono | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:04 |
| ruskie | but of course .NET|Java make developing cheap... | 14:04 |
| Venemo | yah | 14:04 |
| Venemo | that's their purpose | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and using expensive | 14:04 |
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| ruskie | to bad it's also useless for anyone who doesn't actually want to have anything of that... | 14:04 |
| ruskie | hell my boss is looking into if we can re-do a silverlight thingy in html and js... simply because it's faster... | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:05 |
| ruskie | the only downside... needs a webdesigner and someone who actually wants to deal with JS | 14:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Heh, I bet it is | 14:05 |
| * robbiethe1st raises hand: I could probably do it | 14:05 | |
| ruskie | and we mostly have .NET and one Java person... | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohmy | 14:06 |
| ruskie | and that java person is being requalified to .NET as well | 14:06 |
| ruskie | boss considers Java to big of a risk... | 14:07 |
| ruskie | we had a major project that should have been PMed better... | 14:07 |
| ruskie | which was why the costs were way way way above what they should have been | 14:07 |
| ruskie | so yeah... lets not do java anymore because of that | 14:07 |
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| yacc_ | ruskie, well JS nowadays is not really that bad :) | 15:01 |
| ruskie | that's a joke right? | 15:02 |
| Khertan | mouhaha | 15:02 |
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| crashanddie | ruskie, maybe your boss wants to redo something done in silverlight in HTML/JS because there's more support for it? | 15:17 |
| ruskie | nope | 15:18 |
| ruskie | just performance | 15:18 |
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| kerio | silverlight is horrible | 15:41 |
| kerio | it's almost as bad as flash | 15:41 |
| ruskie | they are the same beast... just different coat... | 15:43 |
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| Khertan | <crashanddie> ruskie, maybe your boss wants <<< most of time boss without technical knowledge forcing to use one techno over an other one, just because it s more hype .... | 16:03 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: and most of time it s a huge failure | 16:04 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, new MK9 is cool, you should play | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, I was part of quality testing for that | 16:19 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG nooooo way | 16:20 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, but your ps3 is JB isn't it? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | no, what's MK9 :P | 16:20 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG mortal kombat 9 | 16:20 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, oh, I thought it was a gun | 16:23 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG =) | 16:25 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, with all respect and love i feel towards you i wouldn't give you a gun, you can get bad influence from @bad@ people | 16:25 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, not even a water gun? :( | 16:31 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG tag gun | 16:41 |
| mikki-kun | hm... is there a way the n900 can be forced into mass storage mode? | 16:43 |
| ZogG | mikki-kun you plug in you choose mass storage | 16:44 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG: it doesn't have the desired effect :) | 16:45 |
| mikki-kun | that's why i ask | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: yeah, fix the problem | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Q: "Is there a way to force on my living room ceiling light?" A: "use the light switch!" R: "this doesn't work, that's why I ask" | 17:00 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: there is a reason why i am asking, i ain't an electrician and checked the button already =p | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | your question should be "Why is mass storage mode failing when I plug in N900 to PC?" | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | A: I dunno | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe PC, maybe cable broken, maybe maemo system messed up | 17:02 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: doesn't it imply, when asking for "how to force the n900 into mass stoage mode?" that it is most likely plugged into a pc? | 17:06 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, reboot n900 | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: it first of all implies there'd be a way to force something that should happen without forcing it | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | alternatively, close the apps that are using MyDocs and try again | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the question is basically wrong | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: good point | 17:09 |
| mikki-kun | hm, it's a fresh boot of it | 17:09 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests lsof|grep MyDocs | 17:09 | |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, wow, waiting for a minute and then telling it to go into mass storage did the trick knda... | 17:10 |
| mikki-kun | might just restart all over again, fresh install actually... | 17:11 |
| mikki-kun | somewhere along the path something must have gone wrong... | 17:11 |
| mikki-kun | *sigh* | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think something kept filehandles open on MyDocs, possibly trackerd | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trackerd might take a few seconds to cleanly quit a scan | 17:12 |
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| mikki-kun | how does trackerd have more priority over the system than i have? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr humm. Because trackerd is smarter than you? ;-P | 17:13 |
| mikki-kun | trackerd is a powerhoger -.- | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:13 |
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| mikki-kun | and is pretty annoying in some instances... | 17:14 |
| mikki-kun | i don't care if it is just about to finish it's database... when i want to transfer files it needs to redo it anyway, so why let it make a database which is about to get wiped anyway? | 17:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I solved n900 wobbly charger problem on my device :) | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and barely trainable via tracker-cfg app | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :-D how? | 17:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, well the power socket was starting to come loose so had to hold device still to charge it | 17:16 |
| lcuk | so I opened up my n900 and took a peek inside | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:16 |
| lcuk | turns out, overlapping the power plug | 17:16 |
| lcuk | there is a circuit board for the MMC | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | fixed with nasty ds sticky | 17:17 |
| lcuk | I wedged some card between the top of the usb plug and that board | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 17:17 |
| lcuk | so that when it is all back together the card pushes the power plug back onto the board | 17:17 |
| Sazpaimon | hey DocScrutinizer | 17:18 |
| lcuk | it is not a total fix and would not work if the connector is fully off | 17:18 |
| Sazpaimon | any idea what might be causing that error to pop up that i posted yesterday? | 17:18 |
| lcuk | but it adds some stability | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: wow that's like fixing tower of Pisa with a packthread | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: sorry, missing context | 17:19 |
| Sazpaimon | /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: relocation error: /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: symbol _ZNSt8numpunctIcE22_M_initialize_numpunctEPi, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference | 17:20 |
| mikki-kun | AHHHHH, i'll make a fresh install of it basically, every single app hand-picked again... | 17:20 |
| Sazpaimon | this happens during compilation | 17:20 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe scratchbox's toolchain is linking to a different version of glibc? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, toldya I think you linked lt-t-locale against a "wrong" glibc | 17:20 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know, it doesnt happen on an armel target | 17:20 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, heh | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err libstdc++ | 17:20 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, obviously, but how did it happen in scratchbox | 17:21 |
| mikki-kun | and most importantly a handful of apps getting high priority, rootsh, fapman, bash and openssh | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc, I try to stay away from SB | 17:21 |
| mikki-kun | solving a problem on the n900? reinstall maemo... | 17:22 |
| mikki-kun | solving a problem in gentoo: just boot into a shell and do your work from there... | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: the problem first needs proper investigation, then a proper fix | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: basically there's absolutely ZERO difference in that respect between gentoo and maemo | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, why did you open a bug report for the MR? :P | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: there's no priority issue with your setup. It's just trackerd (IF it really been trackerd that caused the hang) needs some time to cleanup, as ke-recv on detecting MassStorageMode selected doesn't kill -9 the trackerd | 17:25 |
| mikki-kun | hm, there is... somehow some emerge went misserably wrong and i had loads of 20+ on my netbook... i then had to just kill it, and my harddisk was said to be corrupted... still it went on with what it had to do, even without it actually being properly booting... i had full control over it. so far i haven't found an easy way, if you screw around with some system-files on how to repair it from it's infinite boot-cycle | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | MohammadAG: MR ? | 17:26 |
| Khertan | ah merge request | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if there are several threads indexing all those 22GB of mp3, and a lot of those process texts got swapped out, it will inevitably take some time to quit the processes gently | 17:26 |
| Khertan | because i' ve read the wiki | 17:26 |
| Khertan | and better for follow ? | 17:26 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, so how do you target maemo when compiling then | 17:26 |
| Khertan | s/for/to | 17:26 |
| Sazpaimon | iirc scratchbox is the only thing that provides a chroot that hs the same glibc version that maemo uses | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: probably | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc about SB | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 17:27 |
| Sazpaimon | :/ | 17:28 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i killed trackerd before trying it again... | 17:28 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: this isn't the way to do ? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask those who use it several hours every day, like e.g. MohammadAG | 17:28 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: but have you found a way to rescue an n900 from a reboot-loop so far? if you have, please let me know | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a lot of reboot loops can get stopped so you can fix the cause, by enabling R&D and no-wd | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | rescue-initrd is another way to fix a bootlooping system | 17:30 |
| mikki-kun | no-wd? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply booting meego and then mounting the maemo rootfs there to fix it | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | see manpage/readme of flasher | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are two watchdog flags you can set to off for R&D mode | 17:32 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: no-wd isn't explained, just mentioned as a flag you can set... | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a omap-wd and a sw-wd iirc | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | both a watchdogs that make system reboot when not serviced | 17:34 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but what does it help me if somebody tells me "ohh and you could just set this and that" but no explanation is given? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 17:35 |
| mikki-kun | it basically doesn't help me a thing :) | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | no-omap-wd is for the hardware watchdog | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | I suggest you don't disable that | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | no-lifeguard-reset is what you want | 17:36 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: see, already one guy who gives his suggestions on what not to do :) | 17:36 |
| mikki-kun | and i trust he has played around with it enough to tell out of experience :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: so don't ask me things please | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: or send money for a precise answer with warranty | 17:40 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh, wow... and i thought we were in a chat were we could tell our thoughts... | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | here's a free last tip: | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 17:41 |
| infobot | hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | now both shut up before I /kb y'all. | 18:12 |
| * RST38h yawns, wonders what is going on | 18:13 | |
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| crashanddie | doc and mikki have entered a pissing contest about and hour ago. | 18:21 |
| RST38h | slowpokes. | 18:22 |
| Khertan | .... .... .... .... | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | hhhh? | 18:27 |
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| RST38h | static, indeed. | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: clean your glasses | 18:34 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, hmm? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I can't see any pissing contest | 18:35 |
| penguinbait | check your shoes, it usually ends up there | 18:36 |
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| * MohammadAG tries out MeeGo DE | 18:45 | |
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| MohammadAG | they got a splash screen for bootup | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | seems to be a major improvement over the last images I've tried | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | is the UI still shit? | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | LMFAO | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | I just got a dialog | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | when I opened the phone app | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | "Dialer sucks, do you want to close it?" | 18:47 |
| Sazpaimon | I'll take that as a yes, then | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | this is lulz | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Press NO! | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | has anyone tried alien on meego | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | to convert existing maemo debs to rpms | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | (and you know, see if they actually work) | 18:48 |
| chadi | doesn't alien do the opposite? | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | it can go both ways i believe | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I did, I kind of expect it to say "We have no dialer, we expected you to press yes" | 18:49 |
| Sazpaimon | sudo alien -r pytube_0.0.8.1-1_all.deb | 18:49 |
| Sazpaimon | pytube-0.0.8.1-2.noarch.rpm generated | 18:49 |
| Sazpaimon | though ironically it seems alien is only available as a deb on debian | 18:50 |
| Sazpaimon | so you'd need to use alien to convert alien into an rpm | 18:50 |
| chadi | interesting | 18:50 |
| Sazpaimon | (what?) | 18:50 |
| Sazpaimon | though alien does have some debian-centric dependencies i believe | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | you may be able to --nodeps it though | 18:52 |
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| chadi | thanks for the info | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon | personally i try to make any rpm based system as debian-centric as I can | 18:54 |
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| Sazpaimon | first thing i do is forego yum and install apt | 18:54 |
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| pupnik | if you can paypal scott horton a couple bucks now is the time | 19:23 |
| pupnik | http://thestressblog.com/2011/04/08/fundraiser-the-ultimate-interview-archive/ | 19:23 |
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| eval- | is there a copy of N810/N900 skype anywhere? | 19:32 |
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| pupnik | eval-: yes | 19:33 |
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| jacekowski | eval-: already installed in a phone | 19:36 |
| eval- | jacekowski: I need some sort of extracted version (with libs as seen in 'ldd' and helper apps if possible) | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | not possible | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | it depends on lot of closed stuff in n900 | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | and other way round | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | and lot of that is hardware specific | 19:38 |
| eval- | n810 version as well? | 19:38 |
| eval- | (so there is no hope for these copies of skype to work on any other ARM devices) | 19:38 |
| eval- | even with LD_PRELOAD, library wrappers and other tricks? | 19:39 |
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| jacekowski | lot of nasty tricks | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | you would have to pull like half of n900 libraries | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | or n810 | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | and use loads of ram | 19:47 |
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| eval- | but all the source is open, yes? | 19:48 |
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| eval- | so we could conceivably write wrappers for all the functions whose symbols are needed by skype? i guess it would be a hellish effort though | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it'd probably be easier to run x86 skype in a qemu under windows | 20:16 |
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| ShadowJK | or x86 linux skype in qemu-user? | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, linux skype is kinda borked | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and there's windows under qemu running on N900 | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | Madmen. | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no skype here, anywhere ;-) | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nuked it when I said "F* U, that's been it with me as betatester. Skype's too stupid" | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | took them a year to implement ALSA support, and when they finally came up with it it's been as bad and broken as it could get | 20:26 |
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| eval- | jacekowski: i think you are right. this looks unfeasibly complicated. | 20:27 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: you were skype betatester? i am too and tldr; = i feel you | 20:28 |
| macmaN | esp. on os x, just recently the interwebs took note bigtime too | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, been betatester, but that's like 5 years ago | 20:30 |
| macmaN | ok | 20:30 |
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| macmaN | well i am on my first full-linux laptop now and getting to feel linux skype in detail | 20:31 |
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| macmaN | theyre just not putting resources into it | 20:31 |
| macmaN | but 2.2 works stable enough for multichatting.. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | when they came up with their totally idiotic and broken ALSA implementation, while the one I supported on twinkle worked fine, and they didn't even listen to me about what's wrong with theirs, I stopped that useless effort and forgot about skype. Just in time to avoid the first virus attacks and shit | 20:32 |
| compengi | is there any community side work on maemo project? | 20:33 |
| macmaN | given up on skype on mobile though, you need server side (bitlbee) solution | 20:33 |
| macmaN | yeah, they are rich so they ignore a lot of stuff | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 20:33 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 20:33 |
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| pupnik | 200 dpi screens. i dreamed about that as a kid | 20:46 |
| * lcuk dreamed about touchscreens in general | 20:47 | |
| pupnik | hehe | 20:47 |
| pupnik | they said we'd have flat panel TVs 'in a couple of years' back in 1984 | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | 200dpi screens - but only on your phone. | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course you can't have them on your desktop/laptopmonitor. | 20:55 |
| pupnik | don't really need | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I do. | 20:55 |
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| compengi | is there any community side work on maemo project? like fixing bugs or updating applications or having a milestone? | 20:58 |
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| compengi | i'm affected by a very annoying bug, so i'm interested | 20:59 |
| pupnik | be specific | 20:59 |
| compengi | this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11444 | 20:59 |
| povbot | Bug 11444: Virtual keyboard messes up text in Email | 20:59 |
| compengi | when i enter text via virtual keyboard, it's fine. but when i edit it, it gets messed up sometimes | 21:01 |
| compengi | i've tried it on all applications, it's the same | 21:01 |
| chadi | I have the same problem. I'm voting | 21:03 |
| chadi | although I would say it's random | 21:03 |
| compengi | chadi, it's very annoying | 21:03 |
| chadi | rather than always reproducable | 21:03 |
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| chadi | compengi: I rarely use the virtual keyboard, that's why I am not very bothered | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | again | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 21:17 |
| infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>The Community Seamless Software Update (CSSU) is being developed by the Maemo community as a continuation of, and expansion on, Nokia's update support. It aims to deliver fixes which would be difficult to deliver through Extras (like core Maemo packages) | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | keyboard's closed source | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo's definitely headed in the right direction | 21:21 |
| wmarone__ | soft keyboard or something? | 21:25 |
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| wmarone__ | how is the keyboard closed source? | 21:28 |
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| MohammadAG | virtual keyboard | 21:30 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://i52.tinypic.com/1t62iv.jpg | 21:38 |
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| pupnik | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears | 21:38 |
| pupnik | Security researchers have discovered that Apple's iPhone keeps track of where you go – and saves every detail of it to a secret file on the device which is then copied to the owner's computer when the two are synchronised. | 21:38 |
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| derf | Welcome to two days ago. | 21:39 |
| pupnik | Warden and Allan point out that the file is moved onto new devices when an old one is replaced | 21:39 |
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| pupnik | Apple can legitimately claim that it has permission to collect the data: near the end of the 15,200-word terms and conditions for its iTunes program, used to synchronise with iPhones, iPods and iPads, is an 86-word paragraph about "location-based services". | 21:41 |
| wmarone__ | pupnik: thank you for the old news | 21:42 |
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| ArGGu^^ | what has happend to maemo-qt channel :S | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | #qt-maemo | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'd ask here anyway | 21:50 |
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| compengi | i updated the device to the community newest release, and i noticed that there is an autorotation functionality in it, is that new? because i don't remember that the menu icons could rotate vertically | 21:57 |
| Venemo | good evening Maemo | 21:57 |
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| Venemo | compengi, yes, it's new stuff | 22:03 |
| Venemo | compengi, also new is the portrait-mode task launcher and task navigator | 22:03 |
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| compengi | wow | 22:08 |
| beford | #meego is madness. | 22:09 |
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| compengi | i get massive dcc recv | 22:09 |
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| compengi | Venemo, cool.. i see that the cam-ui is changed too | 22:11 |
| Venemo | I haven't noticed that one yet | 22:11 |
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| compengi | though, if you cam cap is closed, it doesn't ask you anymore to open it | 22:12 |
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| compengi | Venemo, what's that portrait mode? | 22:12 |
| Venemo | what about it? | 22:13 |
| compengi | where do i find it | 22:13 |
| compengi | :) | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | compengi, just go to the task launcher and tilt your phone | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | camera-ui really needs to stop the camera when the device is locked | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | (the rewrite) | 22:49 |
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| Badabing | HI! So when can we expext an maemo tablet;D | 23:02 |
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| wmarone__ | ? | 23:04 |
| wmarone__ | never, really | 23:04 |
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| Badabing | too bad. stupid move from nokia that they do WP7 now.,, | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 23:06 |
| Badabing | since those SSU updates im rly happy again :D | 23:06 |
| Badabing | but last one gave me some probs. on my n900 | 23:06 |
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| pupnik | share feedback in the proper place Badabing | 23:07 |
| thopiekar | hi.. need your opinion.. is it easy to repair the N900's usb? found a device on ebay from a seller that says that it is broken because it's usb is broken and he can't flash.. | 23:07 |
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| thopiekar | and the device needs flashing because of a software problem.. | 23:07 |
| Badabing | if u can solder it, then yes i guess? | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | if the copper traces lifted it's pretty much unrepairable | 23:08 |
| thopiekar | :S | 23:08 |
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| beford | . | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | if just the connector came out, it's hard but repairable I'd say :P | 23:09 |
| jrayhawk | '13:02 < Badabing> HI! So when can we expext an maemo tablet;D' the answer is 2005 | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | Surely I'm good at soldering but if it would be like ShadowJK said it will be very hard for sure.. | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | hmm k | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | just need to ask him how that happend.. | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | thanks ShadowJK, Badabing | 23:09 |
| Badabing | if ur so good at soldering. do my RC heli. i cant fix it :D | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not sure people can actually tell before opening up the device | 23:10 |
| thopiekar | Badabing: you should take a look at the controller which i made for a school project :D | 23:14 |
| thopiekar | When I finished that work I was on myself suprised how much wire I used :D | 23:15 |
| thopiekar | (got the pictures on facebook) | 23:15 |
| Badabing | yeah its not my 4-in-1 controller. but thx anyway L) its only 100euro :D | 23:16 |
| Badabing | it only spins now... | 23:16 |
| Badabing | real fast:) | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | Badabing, 4in1? esky? | 23:17 |
| Badabing | yeah | 23:17 |
| Badabing | honeybee FP2 | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | I have one of those too :) | 23:18 |
| Badabing | but u have to put the wire first then connect it. maybe its broken. but 3 engines cant be all broken.. | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | spinning is your 4in1, your P and G settings, or your tail motor (and/or) tailrotor system | 23:19 |
| Badabing | yeah it has no tail rotor now:D | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't spin at all? | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | tailrotor | 23:19 |
| Badabing | one of my 1st flight :) it crashed nope | 23:19 |
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| Badabing | but i think i wanna get a 3d one. but those are killing machines (for ur wallet:D | 23:20 |
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| Badabing | i was hoping to maybe make some kind of remote so i can control it with my N900 | 23:21 |
| Badabing | like iphone also can | 23:21 |
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| ShadowJK | well.. | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK | 3D machines are a few factors more expensive to repair | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | so I'd learn to fly and repair hbfpv2 first | 23:22 |
| Badabing | yeah only have time spent on a sim | 23:22 |
| Badabing | but its only that tailrotor. and its rdy to fly.. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | thopiekar: it's feasible, even when the copper pads for the contacts came off | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | for iphone/n900 control you'll need a onboard autopilot :) | 23:23 |
| Badabing | got 4 battery a 20 euro a piece;D | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | found at thread about that DocScrutinizer.. | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Badabing, so you need to solder the tailmotor wires and you'd be set? | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54762&page=3 DocScrutinizer | 23:23 |
| Badabing | yeah but i tried it like 50 times.. | 23:23 |
| Badabing | maybe it is that 4-1 | 23:24 |
| Badabing | thingy | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | do you have two paperclips? | 23:24 |
| Badabing | y suppose | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | and a sharp knife | 23:24 |
| Badabing | short circuit it? | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | no | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thopiekar: yep | 23:24 |
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| thopiekar | hope that the price on ebay will remain small then I suggest to buy it.. | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | you bend the paperclips straight, then use knife to scrape off insulation from both ends. Then, if you bend them appropriately, you can use an AA battery as power source to apply power onto the tailmotors + and - | 23:26 |
| thopiekar | just 23hours left and one euro on it.. | 23:26 |
| thopiekar | :D | 23:26 |
| Badabing | how hard is it btw to connect a fish eye lens on my n900 | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, if you didn't cut power when crashing, and tail rotor was stuck, it's more likely to destroy the 4in1 than the tailmotor | 23:27 |
| Badabing | but those are like 30-35 euros. | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | ya :( | 23:27 |
| Badabing | the grass is so long tail rotor always hits it. | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | which is why if the motor turns when you apply power to it, the motor works | 23:28 |
| Badabing | but sulfic acid should do the trick also right ;d | 23:28 |
| Badabing | or plain alcohol | 23:28 |
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| ShadowJK | and if you can also put some wires into the actual connector and test power there, and motor moves, your solderin is ok | 23:29 |
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| Badabing | oh now i see. external power;) | 23:29 |
| Badabing | ill try right away :D | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | do you have a multimeter? | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | Personally I use a ,7 x 1.4m sheet of paper ontop of the grass as landing pad :) | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a lawnmower | 23:30 |
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| ShadowJK | well the gear and help gear struts easily gets caught on uneveness in the ground too | 23:31 |
| * ShadowJK had a few incidents of dynamic rollover before getting "pad" | 23:31 | |
| Badabing | i got a 30 inch FAN ;D | 23:31 |
| Badabing | + 220 v motor. "but wont be flying :) | 23:32 |
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| Badabing | how much RC's u have ? i once had this buy madness ;d | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Basically, the 4in1 blows if you try apply power and the rotors are obstructed from turning... Or if there's a short circuit anywhere | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | I only have hbfpv2 | 23:35 |
| Badabing | i also have lama v4 and mini heli + PLANE | 23:35 |
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| Badabing | so cool with this spy cam mounted on it | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | I'm hoping to get some real-life ff, fff, nose-in and stuff done this season, and maybe progress to 6ch collective pitch | 23:36 |
| Badabing | too bad its not realstream | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | One of the first things I practiced in the sim was to get an instinctive "oh shit, it's impossible to recover before hitting ground/house/tree, cut power"-reflex :) | 23:38 |
| Badabing | until u crash and spend tens of hours repairing:D | 23:38 |
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| ShadowJK | Worst real-life crash so far was hitting a telephone pole. I had my n900 video filming, and when I reviewed the recording, I could hear motor shut down like .5 sec before the "clonk" sound of hitting telephone pole :) | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | I had to change blades, flybar and main shaft after that one :) | 23:40 |
| Badabing | can u fly it in a suburb? thought it was illegal | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | this is not a suburb | 23:41 |
| Badabing | down town paris? | 23:41 |
| Badabing | xD | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | I'm in the countryside finland, which means the nearest police officer is 40km away :P | 23:42 |
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| Badabing | it brings the boys in most men above those things. specially with nitro engines | 23:43 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, what are you flying? | 23:43 |
| Badabing | honeybee fp2 same as mine | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's a beginner's trainer heli :) | 23:44 |
| Badabing | yeah. but man i couldnt let it to level ;D | 23:44 |
| Badabing | did one circle lap then the wind crashed it. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | i took one of my helicopters outside once | 23:45 |
| lcuk | spent weeks rebuilding it | 23:45 |
| X-Fade | Oh, interesting conversation :) | 23:45 |
| Badabing | yeah alot of offtopic chatter;D | 23:45 |
| * X-Fade flies big electric 3D helis :) | 23:46 | |
| ShadowJK | I started with hovering. Biggest mistake == flying in the wind. I had no idea when I was controlling it and when wind was controlling it. Then I got the large paper sheet landing pad. If landing pad moves, it's too windy :) | 23:46 |
| Badabing | electric has so much lift they say. more as nitro | 23:46 |
| X-Fade | Logo 600SE 12S 4KW :) | 23:46 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, \o having a whole squad of indoor helis in a big open building would be fun thing to do | 23:46 |
| Badabing | but the hpfp2 should be doable with BF 3-4 | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | Logo in Heli-X sim is just insane :) | 23:47 |
| X-Fade | FP is annoying, that will learn you the wrong reflexes. | 23:47 |
| X-Fade | That will certainly crash you when you fly CP. | 23:47 |
| Badabing | too bad hobbyking doesnt ship to netherlands anymore | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, oh? | 23:47 |
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| Badabing | for 55 euro a complete ATF heli ;D | 23:48 |
| X-Fade | Badabing: Dude, I have 100+ orders there :) | 23:48 |
| Badabing | well customs are taxing it now. | 23:48 |
| X-Fade | And I know for sure they ship to NL :) | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, what reflexes go wrong? | 23:48 |
| Badabing | oh. :) | 23:48 |
| Badabing | funny u guys love these things | 23:48 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: You pull down throttle. | 23:48 |
| Badabing | in a maemo channel:D | 23:49 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: That will rocket you into the ground with 12 degrees of negative pitch on a cp heli :) | 23:49 |
| lcuk | Badabing, small hand held controllers :) | 23:49 |
| Badabing | true :) | 23:49 |
| Badabing | i love hacking my neighbours iphone 3 all the time:D | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, heh, all winter I've been flying sim with 0 degree in centre position :) | 23:49 |
| Badabing | he's so stupid to have BT on all the time | 23:50 |
| lcuk | the first thing many people did with n900 was fly it around like an pilot | 23:50 |
| * lcuk remembers lots of people whooshing and zooming with it | 23:50 | |
| Badabing | u guys ever got neopwn installed? | 23:50 |
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| X-Fade | ShadowJK: But really FP is nothing like CP. It is only good for orientation. | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, i thought many people flew with throttle/pitch curve where full down is -1 pitch 0 throttle or something like that, and then flip switch for 3D | 23:51 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe I'll get a CP sooner than later then :) | 23:51 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: Beginners do sometimes. But then get into trouble when the wind blows there heli upwards towards the sky :) | 23:52 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: As then you can't get it back down without shutting down the engine and losing control. | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | lol, I've had that with my fp :) | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | RC . . . one day | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | When I stop spending money on lenses. | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, it depends if the pilot is used to souring craft too | 23:53 |
| lcuk | but for sure if you only have indoor experience the wind makes for odd experience | 23:53 |
| Badabing | lenses? | 23:53 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: I train multiple people at my club and the things I see there ;) | 23:53 |
| lcuk | :) nice | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | But I had practiced FP-in-wind in the sim before even buying heli, and pulsing throttle to keep control worked rather well in real life too :) | 23:53 |
| Badabing | what is that | 23:53 |
| lcuk | shall have to visit when I next come to NL | 23:53 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Sure, do come over. | 23:54 |
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| X-Fade | Btw, we have our flyingfield in Phoenix Simulator now. | 23:54 |
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| X-Fade | Very nice. | 23:54 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, do you fly indoors or mix? | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect his helis are too big for indoor :) | 23:54 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I like more power, so I just fly all year round. | 23:54 |
| Badabing | i also love those jets . so cool miniature jet engine | 23:54 |
| X-Fade | I do have a T-Rex 250 for indoor. | 23:55 |
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| ShadowJK | indoor in the context of 250 means baseball stadium, right? | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | or gymnasium | 23:55 |
| Badabing | yeah those are big | 23:55 |
| X-Fade | A gym. 250 is 330gram. | 23:56 |
| Badabing | what should i buy from hobbyking? | 23:56 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, good stuff, attach n900 to it | 23:56 |
| Badabing | any suggestions? | 23:56 |
| X-Fade | Badabing: Batteries :) | 23:56 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Not that one, way to heavy. | 23:56 |
| Badabing | i love the building process btw | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, 250 is same size as hbfpv2 then :) (but the t-rex has magnitudes more power and manouverability, of course) | 23:57 |
| Badabing | any of u have a nitro one? | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, I wouldn't put more than 50grams on my honeybee (300-ish gram heli) | 23:58 |
| X-Fade | Nitro is so low power :) | 23:58 |
| GAN900 | Badabing, bought a Canon 7d last year. | 23:58 |
| Badabing | but the sound + smell :) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, you ever flown a real one? | 23:58 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Fullsize heli? | 23:58 |
| Badabing | hk450 28 dollar ATF :D | 23:58 |
| * lcuk aims to find a way to do so | 23:58 | |
| Badabing | lolz | 23:58 |
| lcuk | yes X-Fade | 23:58 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No. | 23:59 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: But the way I fly 3d, it will kill you :) | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | wrong window :D | 23:59 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: The amount of G I can pull on my heli is insane. | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | rc helis have so much power they can escape from anything and ignore aerodynamics :D | 23:59 |
| Badabing | yeah superman g's :S | 23:59 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, it is easy to do in models | 23:59 |
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