IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-04-19

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n900-stuffwhat happened doc?00:08
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pupnikthanks for python-numpy jacekowski00:18
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pupnikwhy the f--- does mypaint require a scientific computing library00:18
pupnikoh no, no, no00:19
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pupniknooooooo :( lib/mypaintlib.i:PyObject * gdkpixbuf_numeric2numpy(PyObject * gdk_pixbuf_pixels_array);00:19
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pupnikit's slow Proteous .  the program is dog-slow00:21
pupnikdraw a long sketchy stroke, wait 5 seconds for it to appear slow00:22
ProteousI see00:22
DocScrutinizerinfobot/apt got sick and is in hospital, hope she's well again soon00:22
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pupniklib/        data = numpy.array(self.tmp_event_list, dtype='float64')00:23
jacekowskidid she caught a virus?00:23
pupniki hate everything00:23
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: possibly, or a freenode poisoning00:24
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infobotOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)00:25
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GAN900pupnik, but everything had nothing but good things to say about you. :P00:30
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pupnikone thing though, the community did a great job building libraries for n90000:32
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!00:32
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee00:35
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: LOL00:38
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DocScrutinizer(for float64)00:39
pupnikyeah that's inner-loop stuff00:40
pupnikand they're calling a generic 'scientific computing' library within it with not a care in the world00:40
pupnik'now we can do everything! weee!'00:40
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Sazpaimonhey guys00:41
Sazpaimonbuilding apache is a terrible thing00:42
Sazpaimonespecially when all i want to do is apt-get -b source php00:42
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pupnikSazpaimon: building things can be difficult00:48
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Proteoussomeone hit the z button plz00:50
Proteoussorry, legend of zelda joke continuation00:51
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MohammadAGkilling dsme is a bad bad thing to do00:56
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SpeedEvil'They shoot DSME's, don't they'.01:00
MohammadAGI was trying to strace it01:00
MohammadAGscreen won't turn on, mce was running through dsme01:01
MohammadAGmeh, this sucks01:01
MohammadAGat least there's a way to disable mass storage mode without unplugging the cable01:01
SpeedEvilcut the cable01:01
MohammadAGthere actually is a way :P01:02
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MohammadAGumount,, ke-recv-test de01:02
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Sazpaimonpupnik, building apache never gave me this much trouble01:07
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Sazpaimonqemu segfaults whenever it starts the apache2 binary, which is part of the debian build process01:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how can one monitor sysfs changes?01:17
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MohammadAGwait, so ke-recv is that o_O01:20
MohammadAGI'm thinking of rewriting the status menu applet for USB01:21
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file01:21
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MohammadAGthat's when the device is mounted on a host01:21
MohammadAGafter it's unmount/ejected from the host:01:21
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file01:21
MohammadAGwow, how retarded01:22
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~#; echo $?01:22
MohammadAGit's just the applet that doesn't update the GUI until the cable's unplugged01:22
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DocScrutinizerprobably because that sysnode doesn't support kevents? that would mean the applet had to poll, and it'S a sane thing they don't do it01:24
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I can think of an easy way01:26
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DocScrutinizertry ke-recv-test to emulate the cable-pull01:26
MohammadAGkeep the button enabled01:26
MohammadAGdoesn't change the applet, already tried it01:26
MohammadAGif the user clicks the button, check if the device is mounted01:26
MohammadAGif so, bitch about it, if not, allow USB mode change01:26
MohammadAGthis eliminates the need to poll01:27
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DocScrutinizercan't follow01:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, right now, the applet switches from a button to a label if a USB mode is set right?01:27
DocScrutinizerwhich one?01:29
MohammadAGthe USB applet01:29
DocScrutinizerUSB? never seen that as a button01:29
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MohammadAGplug a cable in, tap outside the dialog01:29
MohammadAGit's a button if it's in "Charging only"01:29
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MohammadAGnow, instead of switching to a label, keep it as a button, even in mass storage mode01:31
pupnik  latest Mypaint 0.8.2 speed on n90001:31
MohammadAGif the user clicks it, check if those files are empty (i.e device ejected), and allow changing modes01:31
pupnik^ doc, if you have 32 seconds01:31
MohammadAGif the files aren't empty (device mounted), display a hildon notification "Oi, device is mounted, eject it first or yank the cable out"01:31
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pupnik   dual-core phone with 5-row keyboard03:01
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pupnikmy god, if that could run linux...03:07
SpeedEvilAndroid is linux.03:08
SpeedEvilJust not gnu/linux03:08
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pupnikpedant :)03:17
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: it's nto Linux either03:18
luke-jrit's a fork03:18
pupniki was afraid hardware keyboards would become endangered species03:21
luke-jrthey are03:21
luke-jrgood ones even moreso03:21
pupnikwell compare today and 200703:22
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pupnikmore handhelds with hw keyboards now03:22
pupniki mean qwerty03:23
luke-jrqwerty is a minus03:23
SpeedEvilI wonder about something like the microwriter03:23
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SpeedEvilI had a microwriter Agenda03:24
SpeedEvilI wonder if it could be adapterd to keys round the edge of the device03:24
SpeedEvilIn fact I still have the agenda03:24
pupnikyou can type by twisting rotary knobs if you want.  i'm not interested in such diversions03:26
SpeedEvilFair enough.03:26
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pupniki could imagine a chording device might be useful if it were in your front pocket,with a heads-up display in glasses03:28
SpeedEvilYeah.For that nerd-masturbating-text-entry-chic03:28
pupnikdiscrete texting03:29
cehtehhaha .. i prefer looking silly when typing text on my n900 than looking like wanking in the train :P03:33
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pupnikwb DocScrutinizer07:36
pupnikdid you see the maemo + mypaint speedtest07:36
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ruskie <-- if you can't win adjust the parameters so that you can...08:36
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pupnikmoo :)09:29
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass09:31
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infobotHey vldcnst, zip 58480 is Sanborn Barnes ND09:33
chxhow is that cookie?09:34
vldcnstno idea.09:35
vldcnst~fsck infobot09:35
infobote2fsck /dev/infobot : warning! filesystem contains idiots!09:35
KhertanMaemo SDK Install Try Number 1209:42
Khertanafter the qt segfault, the vdso32, the libc which was upgraded by mistake .... i hope it ll be ok this time09:43
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robbiethe1st Multitasking at 1.15ghz. :P10:46
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass10:59
infobotaw, gee, chem|st11:00
* infobot coughs all over chem|st11:00
Robot101yogurt, curd, cream cheese & butter's made from liquid from my udders...11:00
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crashanddieRobot101, I don't want to know about your manboobs, and what oozes out of them, thank you very much11:24
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RST38hcrashanddie: Still, I bet you will watch a youtube video, if available...11:26
crashanddieNot really11:26
crashanddieRST38h, much?11:26
RST38hMeanwhile: ESRB To Automate Game Rating11:26
RST38h"To do this the organization has written a program designed to replicate the ingrained cultural norms and predilections of the everyday American consumer, at least when it comes to what is appropriate for children and what isnt."11:27
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* crashanddie just worked through a 12000 line commit11:51
crashanddiefuck me, now that's what I call integration ;)11:52
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* Khertan just launch try 19 to install maemo sdk12:05
Khertanthe reason this time is because i didn't have xterm12:07
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djszapi"Export contacts step 5/5: Failed" "Unable to save" -> is there any option to copy a file from the filesystem manually by using the terminal for instance instead of this Ui error ?12:17
djszapiI would like to export the contacts from this phone to another N900.12:17
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Robot101crashanddie: :( it's the next line of the cow song12:31
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lcukRobot101, I am sure I heard someone singing it loudly whilst drinking ale in Belgium12:44
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chem|stdjszapi: copy the db12:46
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djszapichem|st: more precisely ?12:47
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chem|stdjszapi: open xterm12:47
chem|stdjszapi: cp .osso-abook/db/addressbook.db $yourlocation12:48
djszapiwhat db ?12:48
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chem|stdjszapi: also pc-suite is able to just copy&paste your entire abook12:54
djszapi -> Why do I get this message with a fresh N900 from the shop ? My other N900 works just fine.12:56
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djszapichem|st: what should I check there ?12:58
chem|stabook backup12:58
chem|stthere is a cli for the backup12:58
djszapiwhy do I need backup for a fresh gadget ?12:58
chem|stshould save in vcf or something so you can use it with any other device or software12:59
djszapiI would like to connect to the fresh gadget over ssh.12:59
chem|styou can send the file via BT aswell13:00
liardjszapi: try pinging the computer from the device, and connect to the device at the same time :D ... seems stupid but works for me13:00
chem|stand no route to host means there is no .2.15 responding13:00
djszapiliar: ping: permission denied. (are you root?)13:02
liarsudo ping ...13:02
djszapiwow do I need to be sudo to ping.13:03
chem|stis an ssh server running?13:03
djszapithat is odd.13:03
djszapiwhat is the sudo password, not rootme13:03
chem|stdjszapi: user should not be able to do anything, so not even ping13:03
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chem|stjust type root13:03
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chem|stand without root password you wont be able to ssh to your device anyway13:04
mecebwuaaahahahahaha FTFA: "Samsung’s tablet, like Apple’s, uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners"13:04
chem|stno root password set means you dont have a ssh server installed as the installscript forces you to set a password13:04
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FauxFauxchem|st: Actually, if you fail to enter a password before the screen locks it screws you.13:05
chem|stFauxFaux: oh nice13:05
mecechem|st, well you can unset the root password later and set a password for user, or create a new user and set a password for that...13:05
chem|stbut becoming root on device and passwd it13:06
chem|stmece: we are talking LUser here not ROOT13:06
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chem|stmece: peops who got problems with copying files via ssh I doubt be more than a user13:07
mecewell by user I meant the user user. not "a user".13:07
djszapichem|st: wget does not require user.13:07
djszapi* root13:07
chem|st"for user, or create a new user" I get the difference!13:08
djszapimoreover, "root" does not really work13:08
meceroot doesn't work?13:08
chem|stthen you did not install rootsh yet13:08
djszapiof course not since I could not connect to the device yet.13:08
djszapiand I do not have wi-fi connection.13:09
chem|stdjszapi: starting your browser does not require root either O_o13:09
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chem|stdjszapi: what about connecting the two devices directly to each other?13:09
djszapinot an option, please forget that now I have another device13:10
djszapilet us say I have this newly bought N900, how can I make it work for ssh ?13:10
djszapifrom the desktop PC.13:10
chem|stinstall rootsh and after that OpenSSH Client and Server13:12
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chem|styou will be prompted for root password with the second install13:13
djszapihow to install them ?13:13
chem|stapplication manager?13:13
djszapiwithout internet ?13:13
djszapihow ?13:14
chem|sthow would you get ssh open without it connected to a network?13:14
liaryou could connect your device to the internet to get internet13:14
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robbiethe1stdownload deb files, open in file manager13:14
djszapiliar: to my wired internet ?13:14
djszapihow to do that with no usb networking ?13:14
djszapi(with no ssh?)13:15
djszapiI do not have wi-fi as said ?13:15
liarah sry then13:15
robbiethe1stUh... Just copy the .deb files into your card13:15
chem|stor ^^13:15
robbiethe1stthen open in the filemanager. it'll install with the app manager13:15
djszapiwell what I was about is a mass storage stuff13:16
chem|stthats the rootsh13:17
chem|stcopy it by using usb-msd13:17
chem|stthen copy the .osso-abook/db/addressbook.db to it as well (you dont need to install rootsh if it is only about that file13:19
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djszapichem|st: same ssh error after installing the rootsh13:21
chem|stI would copy the full folders .osso-abook and .osso-abook-backup to the massstorage and then open a terminal (xterm) and mv them in place (msd is MyDocs and SD-Card but you want it to be in /home/user/13:21
chem|stdjszapi: if you got no usbnetwork then you got no internet and without ssh-server installed it makes no sense at all13:21
djszapiyeah, I need the openssh-server...13:22
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djszapiroot/rootme does not still work after installing rootsh tho.13:22
fralssudo gainroot; passwd?13:23
chem|stfrals: for what he wants he doesn't need anything of that13:23
djszapiI need an openssh-server13:24
djszapiand all it is dependencies manually.13:24
chem|stdjszapi: if you got no usb-netowrk up you don't need it13:24
djszapiwonder what you mean.13:24
chem|stif you got usb-network up just route it to the internet and install with app-manager...13:24
fralschem|st: wth is he trying to do?13:24
chem|stfrals: copying his abook db...13:25
djszapinot really13:25
djszapithat is just one thing of the millions.13:25
djszapiwhich requires usb networking...13:25
chem|stdjszapi: setup usb-netowrking13:25
djszapihow without openssh-server ?13:25
chem|stthen give that brick internet!13:25
djszapiand all its dependencies manually ?13:25
chem|stdjszapi: you dont need ssh to enable usb-networking...13:26
SpeedEvildjszapi: dropbear13:26
chem|stpeople STOP it13:26
chem|sthe got root, now he needs usb-networking...13:26
chem|stdjszapi: btw what are the "millions" of things you wanna do?13:30
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djszapino idea how to set the usb network up...the other gadget works out-of-the-box...13:31
djszapithere should not be any problem on the host PC side and I can ping the host PC from the phone.13:31
chem|styou sure you got the IP right?13:31
chem|stsetup a gateway on your host so your n900 gets internets13:32
djszapiit is not about internet...13:32
djszapiI would like to use ssh, scp for now, if that works, usb networking is an easy thing.13:32
chem|stdjszapi: but having internet makes the rest easier13:32
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djszapiand the internet usage. Again then, what does not work from the beginning is the ssh connection.13:33
djszapithat is why I said the openssh server stuff ...13:33
chem|stdjszapi: as long as you are not listening I wont help you anymore13:33
chem|stit saves you at least 30min if you setup the gateway13:34
fralsthis conversation is confusing :D13:34
chem|stfrals: I feel like talking to a parking-clock13:34
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chem|stdjszapi: install any ssh server of your choice by hand via masstorage if you like to do so... but without your routing setup properly you only need an ssh client13:36
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MohammadAG/home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/toolchains/arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux_x86_64/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtFeedback13:40
MohammadAGany suggestions?13:40
MohammadAGI have the .so where it should be13:40
ruskieit's in /lib or /usr/lib ?13:40
fralsit has the wrong name?13:40
MohammadAGyes and no13:40
ruskiemight need to pass it -L/path/to/where/libQtFeedback.so13:40
ruskieerm... sans the libQtFeedback.so13:41
fralsMohammadAG: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtFeedback*?13:41
djszapichem|st: no idea what you are talking about, sorry.13:42
MohammadAGmeh, nevermind, just made 5 copies and overwrote the broken symlinks13:42
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djszapiopenssh-common/client/server are installed, still no ssh access.13:45
fralsand how are you trying to connect to it?13:45
fralssince you dont have usbnetworking or internet access?13:45
djszapiover ssh ?13:45
djszapias just in case the other gadget ?13:45
fralswhat other gadget?13:46
fralsone with usbnetworking?13:46
djszapinot sure how usb networking or internet access is ssh access related...13:47
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fralswell you kinda need some networking if you wnat to reach the device normally13:47
fralsnot sure how you would access the device without a network of some sorts13:47
djszapinot internet, nor usb networking.13:47
djszapiI mean not usb networking for internet13:48
djszapijust a simple one.13:48
djszapinot sure how to access the device with no internet ?13:48
djszapiwell kinda no need for that if you wanna use only ssh13:48
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djszapiI think I run out of the ideas for ssh usage. I need to ask for help on the forum.13:51
SpeedEvil'access the device withno internat' ?13:53
SpeedEvilssh is not a means of connectivity13:53
SpeedEvilyou cannot connect over ssh. SSH is a protocol that runs over a network.13:53
djszapissh access, yup.13:53
djszapibut no internet.13:53
SpeedEvilIf you have no network, you cannot use SSH13:53
djszapithat is what I said ?13:53
SpeedEvilYou need to bring the network up. Then work out what to do with ssh.13:54
djszapithat is what I have not the lightest about after everything seems to be okay.13:54
djszapi* slightest13:54
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djszapiI can even ping the host PC, but I cannot login over ssh.13:55
SpeedEvilwhat does it say when you ssh to the phone13:56
djszapistill the same13:56
djszapissh: connect to host port 22: No route to host13:56
BCMMinternet != network connection13:57
SpeedEvilOk - now ping the phone from the host13:57
SpeedEvilYou seem to have messed up routing somehow13:57
SpeedEvilAre you sure you're pinging the host from the phone, not pinging the phone from the phone13:58
djszapipretty sure13:58
djszapiseems it works after a gadget reboot13:59
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djszapisomething requires a device reboot then.14:00
djszapisome part of this procedure.14:00
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MohammadAGdid you follow the wiki?14:01
djszapiyes ofc14:02
MohammadAG~usbnetworking is
infobotMohammadAG: okay14:02
djszapiscp addressbook.db root@ -> pretty much did not work14:04
djszapiI do not see the contacts in my contact list of the gadget after all.14:05
MohammadAGbut did it copy?14:06
MohammadAGkillall osso-addressbook14:07
djszapidevice reboot14:08
djszapiwindows way ;)14:08
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MohammadAGmust be R&D mode that doesn't make it reboot here14:09
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djszapino contact after reboot either.14:10
djszapino clue.....14:10
djszapialso, it seems it does not join automatically to the usb0 with ifup by default.14:11
djszapimmh again ssh issue...14:12
djszapiI am not lucky today with it :)14:12
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chem|stdjszapi: does the other way round work?14:17
chem|stdjszapi: are you abel to ssh to your desktop from n900?14:18
chem|stas you said you can ping your desktop from n90014:18
djszapiwell the biggest problem is that now, your address book copy idea did not really work out14:18
djszapiI wonder why it is not enough as do I about the not successful exporting.14:19
chem|stso copying the two folders to your $n900-home did not work? even after a reboot?14:19
djszapiyou mentioned _one_ file.14:19
chem|stI said I would copy two folders14:19
chem|stthe db is only one file14:20
chem|stI thought you wnat to extract them14:20
djszapiwell that is odd I cannot export it14:20
djszapiextract ?14:20
djszapiyour mean care to ellaborate ?14:21
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chem|stconvert the .db to some .vcf14:21
djszapinot sure what you mean14:21
djszapiand why that would be better than a file by file copy.14:22
djszapissh: connect to host port 22: No route to host14:22
djszapilost connection14:22
chem|stthe _one_ file I refered to is a .db and exported contacts are saved as .vcf the process I would call extracting14:22
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djszapiI need to set the usb0 interface up after each reboot14:22
djszapiI wonder why.14:22
chem|stdjszapi: you usbnetworking does not work... yet14:22
djszapiI have no clue why14:23
djszapiroute is added etc14:23
djszapiauto usb0 in the interfaces etc14:23
djszapialso, two folders copy did not really help14:24
djszapimy addressbook is still empty.14:24
djszapieasier to copy manually each contact seriously.14:26
chem|stwhat about using the cli as described in the wiki?14:26
djszapiyour mean ?14:27
chem|stor use the backup tool (that saves contacts aswell)=14:27
chem|stdjszapi: link I posted ^^14:27
MohammadAGVenemo, didn't you have a library that could generate a yellow message?14:27
MohammadAGlike the one for email14:27
trxhow can i catch app minimize event (Qt), statechange event does nothing :/14:27
MohammadAGdjszapi, add ifup usb0 to /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh14:28
MohammadAGbefore exit 014:28
djszapialready happened.14:28
BCMMtrx: what do you mean by minimize? as far as i can see, maemo's WM doesn't really do minimization14:29
BCMMdo you mean  loss of focus?14:29
djszapino idea why I cannot export the addressbook...14:29
trxBCMM well, anything that can tell me that my app isnt in focus (so i can stop some timers)14:30
BCMMtrx: i think you want to search for loss of focus, not minimising14:30
BCMMminimising is when, on a normal PC, you click the button that sends the window to the taskbar14:31
trxso it doesnt really minimize..14:31
trxill look arround14:31
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BCMMtrx: looks like one solution14:32
djszapiMohammadAG: I would expected that I add those lines I can connect by default after a reboot..14:32
trxBCMM thank you14:32
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djszapican I export the address book from the command line ?14:33
MohammadAGdjszapi, you have to click PC Suite14:33
BCMMtrx: also, maybe
BCMM(i mean, i don't know what happens if you try that with an actual window)14:33
djszapiMohammadAG: your mean ?14:33
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trxi'll try it out and see :)14:34
djszapithis is funny I cannot export the addressbook and I do not get any proper error message either.14:34
chem|stdjszapi: osso-addressbook-backup -e /path/file14:34
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MohammadAGdjszapi, you didn't read the wiki I guess14:35
chem|stdjszapi: MohammadAG means that you need to tap _PC-Suite_ when then N900 is asking14:35
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djszapiare you seriously think I could use earlier without tapping ? :)14:36
djszapithat is so implicite and does not work without that :)14:36
VenemoMohammadAG, I do, yes14:36
VenemoMohammadAG, it's in q-extras14:36
VenemoMohammadAG, the api would need some refining though, but it should work.14:37
MohammadAGVenemo, already found a forum nokia article :)14:37
VenemoMohammadAG, well, my lib makes it easier than that article...14:37
Venemoand it also does more.14:37
djszapichem|st:  osso-addressbook-backup -e /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db14:38
djszapiopen_system_abook: Cannot open book14:38
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djszapichem|st: it is a PITA.14:41
chem|stehrm path to backupfile...14:41
djszapiwould be much better to fix the export...14:41
djszapiok, so please be more precise14:41
djszapiwhat to give it to then ?14:41
djszapiNokia-N900:~# ls /home/user/.osso-backup/14:42
chem|stok doesn't work here either wierd14:42
djszapiplease send me an email if you got it work if I can ask, I do not have more time for it now14:42
djszapior ping on freenode :)14:42
djszapikinda basic functionality.14:42
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chem|stand osso-backup does not work as well?14:45
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chem|st~slap chem|st14:46
* infobot slaps chem|st, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!14:46
chem|stdjszapi: you are running the osso-adressbook-backup as root or user?14:46
djszapimeanwhile it works for my colleague, just asked...14:46
djszapiyes ofc14:47
* Khertan is happy ... finnally successfully install maemo sdk14:47
Khertanouch ... what a loose of time14:47
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chem|stas user it just works for me (there is no abook for root ;)14:47
djszapidoes not really work here.14:47
djszapithe command runs, but no new contact.14:48
djszapijust an empty one14:48
chem|stthen the abook is empty14:48
djszapiobviously not14:48
chem|stlook into the .db14:48
djszapiobviously not14:48
chem|stsome parts are human readable14:48
djszapiit is really the same...14:48
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chem|stdjszapi: new contact?14:49
djszapinothing, but I am really pissed off by it14:49
djszapithank you for your help anyway14:50
djszapiI stop it now14:50
chem|stdjszapi: $location where the actual abook is run as user: osso-addressbook-backup -e backupcontacts.vcf14:50
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chem|stdjszapi: copy backupcontacts.vcf to n900 and use the import from file option from your hildon-abook application14:50
chem|st$location == $device14:51
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KhertanSomeone notice some Qt segfault with Qt4.7.2 from CSSU too ?15:10
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MohammadAGachipa, so, I'll ask again, should I jump to QtM 1.1 or just send recompiled packages for libqtm, libqtm-11, and libqtm-12?15:17
achipaMohammadAG: where does the packaging come from ?15:17
MohammadAGachipa, repos, if I don't recompile against 4.7.2 then apps segfault15:18
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achipawhich repos ? which one has 1.1 as libqtm ?15:18
MohammadAGso I need to provide new QtM packages in the next update, I'm just not sure whether to push the same versions recompiled or push a new version15:18
MohammadAGumm, none, that's what I'm asking15:19
MohammadAGshould I rename libqtm-11 to libqtm and send that in an update, or just push recompiled packages for all 3 versions?15:19
MohammadAGthe latter won't break apps for sure15:19
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dotblankhello anyone up?15:24
dotblankI need someone to help me with a favor15:24
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achipaMohammadAG: not sure if renaming would work, some extra tweaking with path would be needed15:29
achipaMohammadAG: as that stuff is not in /usr/lib15:29
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achipa(so stuff compiled against 1.0 would fail in that case if you just upped)15:30
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achipaso I would generally recommend to keep the same versions15:31
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MohammadAGachipa, I know, realized that with Qt 4.7.215:37
MohammadAGgot it15:37
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KhertanMohammadAG: does there is any urgency to jump to Qt 4.7.2 in cssu ?16:12
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KhertanDoes there is still maemo4 user's ?16:19
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pupnikis this what Obama does (blinking with the eyes) when he lies?17:42
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KhertanDoes qt use gles on maemo ?18:04
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MohammadAGKhertan, read the rules file18:07
MohammadAGyou'll find the right configuration for it18:07
Khertanyep yep ...18:07
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Khertani find it ... but i mean did he use it for some sample operation like drawing qwidget18:08
Khertanby default18:08
MohammadAGit's used by QGLWidget afaik18:09
Khertani ask because i didn't reproduce it with target x86 which didn't use gl :)18:10
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MohammadAGdidn't reproduce what?18:12
Khertanyep i m still tracking it18:13
Khertanbut installing maemo sdk take so long18:13
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ZogGKhertan иец цйрфе шы еру игп,18:21
ZogGKhertan, what is that bug everyone talking about/18:21
ZogGhi btw18:21
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MohammadAG<Khertan> yep i m still tracking it18:25
MohammadAGagain, I feel it's qtextcontrol18:25
Khertani was thinking of qtextcontrol or ... glyph painting :)18:26
MohammadAGwell, I'd check what the define does if you couldn't reproduce it on x8618:27
MohammadAGoh and one more thing18:27
MohammadAGx86 uses a different font18:27
MohammadAG(and a different font size)18:27
MohammadAGit uses my Ubuntu fonts here18:28
Khertanyep ...18:29
Khertani'm compiling the armel one18:29
Khertancan it be used under scratchbox ?18:29
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Khertanok ... i will retry to reproduce it under x8618:34
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ZogGbtw is digia owns Qt already?18:36
MohammadAGNokia never sold Qt18:36
MohammadAGit's Qt licensing18:36
MohammadAGof course, the media likes to change titles in ways that result in BS being spread18:36
ZogGi just hoped18:36
Khertanyep ... nokia include so many crappy things in qt for their shitty qml18:37
ZogGKhertan дщд18:38
ZogGpeople do like it you know18:38
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Khertanwhich ? user ?18:39
Khertanthey will blame developpers for slow apps after18:40
MohammadAGZogG, people like eye candy, they don't care if it's QML or not18:42
ZogGMohammadAG, come to my van i'll give you a candy18:43
MohammadAG1) Kill desktop composition18:43
MohammadAG2) Use QPropertyAnimation18:43
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MohammadAGand any Qt app will look good18:43
MohammadAGZogG, doesn't work on me :P18:44
ZogGtweego looks good without qml if i got it right18:44
ZogGor colombus18:44
ZogGthough gpodder by thp with aml looks sweet18:44
KhertanZogG: every qml app run slowly ... use too much memory ...18:45
Khertanexcept stupid example of course18:46
ZogGqnlreddit is fine i thik18:46
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KhertanZogG: don't know. Never try it18:47
Khertanbut ouch the screenshot18:47
Khertan <<< this is not that ?18:47
ZogGyeah he is not desinger18:47
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KhertanZogG: yep ... this is why qml sucks18:49
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Khertanit s not for designer, not for developpers, not really for webmaster18:49
Khertanthis is for noone :)18:50
ZogGyou can always make one better18:50
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ZogGthough i love your app18:50
ZogGMohammadAG btw did you implent RDS in openplayer?18:50
Khertanof course ... can always make better ... just matter of time :)18:51
MohammadAGZogG, no18:51
ZogGMohammadAG i just wonder what you need to send to dbus18:51
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ZogGand how i do it with see18:51
KhertanMohammadAG: make -j made a great diff ... from 2h to 20min :)18:51
ZogGi hate C for one reason18:51
ZogGit's hard to goole while it's only one letter18:51
MohammadAGKhertan, yep :D18:52
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ZogGand mostly i get C# or .net or c++18:52
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* ZogG xmms2> Tao - Ultraflow ["Seven" 2011]18:52
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ZogG8bit music FTW18:53
KhertanZogG: difficult for looking a c developper jobs in our french nationnal jobs agency, when specifying language for a dev ... it s require a minimum of 3 chars :)18:53
ZogGKhertan lol18:53
ZogGbut i think C is the best18:53
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Khertandepends on use case18:53
ZogGas you know it well you can manage other langs18:53
ZogGespecially C++ and C#18:53
Khertanc++ != c18:54
Khertanone is object not the other18:54
Khertanit s a total different way of coding18:54
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ZogGyes it is18:55
ZogGbut if you handle C you can make it with C++18:55
ZogGin my opinion18:55
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ZogGthats cool18:56
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* Khertan is listening Samael - Slavocracy18:57
MohammadAGIt took me over two weeks to get adjusted to C18:57
MohammadAGafter learning C++18:57
MohammadAGit's very different18:57
Khertanyou know i hate the most with python ... all python jobs are related to website ... so few App developpment jobs in python18:59
Khertans/you know/you know what i18:59
Khertanand less in python qt :)18:59
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pupnikn900 flies to the floor for the 100th time19:06
pupniktripping over cable19:06
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Jartzaouch, my n900 keyboards space button cracked into 2 pieces :(19:28
Jartzaboth sides work, but pressing from the middle doesn't19:28
MohammadAGthe space bar is two buttons anyway19:30
MohammadAGnot one button, that's why the middle doesn't work19:30
MohammadAGjust get a new keymat, changing it is easy19:30
KhertanMohammadAG: did you know where we can found some cheap hw parts of n90019:32
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Khertani broken zoom minus button (always pressed)19:33
GeneralAntillesPortal 2 today.19:33
* GeneralAntilles dies.19:33
MohammadAGcheap, nope, but I do know of klc.fi19:33
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, still not out here :/19:33
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, yes, not living in the US is a terrible thing. :P19:33
MohammadAG <-- epic "ad" for it, sort of19:34
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JartzaMohammadAG: yeah, I just have to find one. Every seller says "out of stock"19:38
MohammadAGJartza, steam? :P19:38
MohammadAGpurchase the downloadable version off Steam19:39
Jartzadownloadable keymat? :)19:39
Jartzathat's hightech :)19:40
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MohammadAGJartza, oh, thought you were talking about Portal 2 xD19:43
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Jartzaheh :D19:43
JartzaI need a scandinavian keymat19:43
Jartzaklc is also out of stock19:43
MohammadAGJartza, I'd google 265854 N90019:45
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JartzaMohammadAG: I did. Without success.19:47
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ZogG_wi can't see anyones msgs or it's just that quite here?20:45
MohammadAGyour net disconnected20:46
ZogG_woh i see u20:47
ZogG_wi'm from webchat20:47
ZogG_was of proxy at work20:47
ZogG_wdamn proxy20:47
ZogG_whate it20:47
MohammadAGI'm talking over local LAN, you should be afraid20:48
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ZogG_wi have gun you know20:49
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totalizatorhi, my n800 got into a reboot loop, but only when I choose to boot from SD card, flash boot works fine, any ideas why and how can I fix it?20:52
MohammadAGZogG_w, which model?20:53
ZogG_wMohammadAG: CZ20:54
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MohammadAGZogG_w, I have a portable tank, beat that21:04
MohammadAGit fits in a pocket, just add water21:05
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mikki-kunMohammadAG: you have a portable fission battery cell?21:21
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chxmikki-kun: we were reading articles about water fuel cells for years.21:25
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DocScrutinizerKhertan: mouser might help. Hard to find a exactly matching switch. I recommend Nokia repair21:29
DocScrutinizerJartza: scandinavian one might be hard to find. Maybe somebody has a spare one, who got bored of the non-US version21:31
DocScrutinizerI got some sources of US and German keymats21:32
JartzaI have another n900, but it's with US keymat21:32
Jartzaand I need my ä and ö :)21:33
DocScrutinizererrr ä and ö sound much like german keymat21:33
Jartzagermans have messed up y and z21:34
JartzaI hate qwertz and azerty -keyboars :)21:36
DocScrutinizer is available anyway21:36
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DocScrutinizer is low on stock21:37
Jartzamaybe this qwertz is ok, I think the actual keys can be remapped?21:37
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DocScrutinizerthere's no hw defined way the CPU knows about the printing on the keypad21:40
DocScrutinizerwhatever you define in settings will get used21:41
DocScrutinizer(there's an initial config from CAL partition, that defines the keymapping on first boot)21:42
Jartzagnnh. keymat 19.89 eur, postal 14.90 eur :P21:43
DocScrutinizerthis one is extremely nice a part (includes flat plastic connector)21:43
DocScrutinizerJartza: depends on destination of shipment I guess. I don't think I paid that much for shipping21:45
Jartzamy destination is finland21:45
DocScrutinizerthought as much21:45
Jartzamaybe I'll ask my good friends at nokia first :)21:46
DocScrutinizergood plan21:46
Jartzaif they have some broken n900's there :)21:46
MohammadAG<mikki-kun> MohammadAG: you have a portable fission battery cell?21:46
MohammadAGit said just add water :<21:46
MohammadAGnothing :P21:48
DocScrutinizerask in Fucku, they know about adding water21:49
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DocScrutinizerJartza: btw I hate qwertz too, at least on N900. For the missing up/down direct keys21:50
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JartzaDocScrutinizer: not much difference to scandinavian qwerty21:50
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Jartzain scandinavian keyboard y and z are in correct place and ü = å21:51
DocScrutinizeryeah, but the reason I got me the US keypad21:51
Jartzamy space n900 HAS scandinavian keyboard21:51
JartzaI did remember incorrectly21:52
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DocScrutinizeronly Freerunner been in space so far, no N900 afaik21:52
Jartzathe "spare" is used for meego-testing :)21:52
Jartzait has broken earpiece and it doesn't detect keyboard slider open/close (thinks it's open all the time)21:53
mtnbkrDocScrutinizer: got my N900 back from repair (again)   they definitely broke the microsd card reader the first time out when they were fixing the USB/charger port.    Now I have a brand new main board and even spent the extra $25 to get new glass - all works fine now :)21:54
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DocScrutinizer <-FR in space21:54
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DocScrutinizerJartza: I (wildly) guess your earpiece fell off and attached to the reed contact magnetically :-P21:55
DocScrutinizerKhertan:  no fogging clue if it would match for volume switch21:56
DocScrutinizermtnbkr: hm, uSD holder sits on daughter board attached to main PCB via that incredible FPC ribbon21:58
SpeedEvilHas anyone had experience of what they do on repairing the USB ?21:58
SpeedEvilIf the pads are destroyed, do they attempt repair, or swap mobo?21:59
DocScrutinizerswap I guss21:59
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DocScrutinizeryou could tell by changed MAC of wifi, and changed mobo ser#22:01
SpeedEvilI suppose they could clone the IMEI22:01
DocScrutinizerthey could, but won't22:01
mtnbkrDocScrutinizer: yeah, they called me and said the tech could not get it to read anything, and I said, yeah, I know, that is why I sent it back :)    But she was apologizing since she said they will have to replace the main board and I would lose ALL of my data, and have a new MAC & seria and EIMI # etc.22:02
mtnbkrwhich was fine since of course I had a full backup to restore22:02
* SpeedEvil wishes he could get broken n900 boards.22:02
DocScrutinizeryou won't22:03
SpeedEvilI know.22:03
DocScrutinizerat least not from Nokia repair22:03
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SpeedEvilI imagine that they're sent back to nokia for credit, so the leak rate will be very small22:05
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DocScrutinizerusually mobo swaps are done in central repair facility I guess. Old defective mobos get destroyed there - at least they should22:10
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kerioi want a n900 with 512mb of ram22:18
SpeedEvilAs I understand it, it's possible, though fiddly22:19
keriowould the kernel handle it nicely?22:19
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SpeedEvilYou can fit a 512M over the POP22:19
SpeedEvilI imagine so22:19
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ShadowJKfiddly is somewhat of an understatement22:23
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RST38hSteve Jobs invents Maemo task switcher:
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pupnikfinnish aeronautical engineer designs coolest airplane ever
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mikki-kunpupnik: wow, awesome! :D22:55
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pupnikmikki-kun: takes some courage to fly22:57
mikki-kunnah, just insanity :D22:57
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SpeedEvil - slightly more expensive than a BT keyboard.23:35
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ThreeMand slightly more performance ;)23:36
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internetishardare passwords for the accounts like skype stored in cleartext somewhere? If so, then where can I retreive them?23:51
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