| ShadowJK | If you make an assumption about system load, or make an assumption about charger current, you can derive the other one | 00:00 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | hey awesome | 00:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i set up my openvpn account | 00:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and now I can connect to my phone via the VPN IP even when it's on 3G | 00:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | i'm back, unfortunatly my N900 is still down :( | 00:12 |
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| jacekowski | ehh | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | N900 isn't compliant with usb charging spec as well | 00:12 |
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| jacekowski | ( voltage based current regulation part ) | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 00:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is there a recent port of nginx for N900 | 00:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or am i forced to compile one myself | 00:14 |
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| jacekowski | Sazpaimon_: use apache2, only real webserver | 00:16 |
| TiagoTiago | Just in case anyone new is 'round here right now, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72170 <- can you help? | 00:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | jacekowski, stop trolling | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: there is a curve of voltage vs current that devices should follow ( limit current draw based on voltage delivered from charger ) | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: and my battery powered charger can only deliver 0.7A so n900 kills it and stops charging and then again and again and again | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | muhaha, bt messenger working | 00:19 |
| jhb | hi *, after a reboot (and installing joiku) quite some widgets are missing from the desktop, including app-search and omweather, and they can't be re-added. Any suggestions? | 00:20 |
| TiagoTiago | I really would rather if i manage to figure out how to fix this instead of just giving up and reflashing rootfs and having to reinstall and setup again all my stuff (so much shit i got installed i probably got icons inside the "Utilities" folder (by Catorize) than most people who don't use folders in their apps menu got on their whole menu) | 00:21 |
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| TiagoTiago | i probably got more icons* | 00:21 |
| jhb | actually, I can't install any widgets anymore | 00:22 |
| TiagoTiago | tried uninstalling the thing that you installed that borked the widgets? | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | jacekowski, which battery powered charger do you have? | 00:22 |
| pupnik | anybody using valgrind/callgrind on n900? or should i forget that and use oprofile? | 00:22 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: yes | 00:22 |
| TiagoTiago | What happens when you try to install new widgets? | 00:23 |
| pupnik | i really just need to see how much time spent in various functions | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, my own experience has been more that the bq24150 charging chip stops charging if currentd drops below programmed current, and then bme resets it, in a loop :-) | 00:23 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: I get the selection list, click on it, nothing happens. | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: yeah, that's what i'm saying | 00:23 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, they are installed but you can't add them to any desktop | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: but what it should do is start from low current and then slowly increase it untill it reaches point on that voltage/current curve | 00:24 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: yes, and some are missing (that were on the Desktop before) | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, I tried making a "soft start" for my script, but that was mostly because I was then using a battery with extremely paranoid protection circuit :-) | 00:24 |
| TiagoTiago | I think i saw on TMO a thread about widgets going invisible under some circuntances | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | You can't actually measure input voltage on N900 | 00:25 |
| TiagoTiago | Do they still stay missing after a reboot? | 00:25 |
| TiagoTiago | Also, can you see their little X's when you go into the desktop customization mode? | 00:25 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: they stay absent | 00:25 |
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| * jhb reads http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71100&highlight=widgets+invisible | 00:25 | |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: no, no x | 00:25 |
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| ShadowJK | jacekowski, does your charger have a name? | 00:27 |
| pupnik | very nice app idea: "Man Down" to detect car/motorcycle/bike etc crashes http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72195 | 00:27 |
| TiagoTiago | dunno then, sorry, hopefully someone else here in the channel might be able to help you, if not, try asking for help on TMO | 00:28 |
| jhb | thanks for your try thoug, TiagoTiago | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: NeXus | 00:29 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: maybe you know if there is a place in the filesystem where the desktop config is stored? | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, which one? | 00:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well it seems that porting nginx to maemo is a very simple process | 00:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | just a quick build from sid's sources and it looks like all the dependenci8es are available in maemo's repositories | 00:32 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | i'll add maemo-optify to the build rules and see how it goes | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | echo auto > debian/optify makes the builder take care of it | 00:34 |
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| TiagoTiago | jhp i'm not sure, try looking for files ending in .desktop somewhere inside rootfs and see if there is any folder that got a few of them named after widgets perhaps? | 00:37 |
| TiagoTiago | jhb: try what it says in the end of this section: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_Desktop_Widgets#The_.desktop_File | 00:42 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: I see files in /usr/share/applications/hildon-home. Not sure how to handle them though. Your guess was right so - when I kill hildon*, I see a short glimpse of the old widgets | 00:42 |
| pupnik | !seen lcuk | 00:42 |
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| MohammadAG | I just lost my X server on the N900 | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | no idea how/why/wtf | 00:43 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: I think the gods of the backupbootmenu are with me - my last backup is 10 days old, I think I just try that :-) | 00:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | I wish i had had the guts to use backupbootmenu, wouldn't be having issues with my N900 right now if i could just load a recent system files backup :/ | 00:47 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: all that says on it is "NeXus" | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: and i don't have a box anymore | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: but i stuck my soldering iron in it and it's working nicely now | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | LiIon or AA? | 00:50 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: there was nothing scary about it at all (well, didn't try the restore yet) | 00:51 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it has two usb ports on it ( one male one female ) + battery compartment inside | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: with standard NiMh AA batteries included | 00:54 |
| TiagoTiago | jhb: i thought there were some incompatibilities with power kernel and increased risks of reboot loop.... | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | So like 700mA on enelopps and 300mA on crap :-) | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | well, included batteries after while of charging delivered 7A on dead short | 00:56 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago: I don't use power | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | and charger whole thing can deliver 3A on short | 00:56 |
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| TiagoTiago | I see | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, impressive :-) | 00:57 |
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| TiagoTiago | Again, in case there is new people in the channel that might have an idea how to help: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=989219 help pleasE? | 01:03 |
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| ShadowJK | TiagoTiago, flashing rootfs: you lose installed apps, /home and settings should be still there I think | 01:11 |
| pupnik | sorry TiagoTiago no ideas | 01:11 |
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| TiagoTiago | That should take at least a few days to have everything as it was before, and that is if the connection cooperates and the halting crawl of installing progs doesn't hit too hard... | 01:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | And probably at least a week for the stuff i have to manually install and set and the some of the stuff that got errors in the deb | 01:17 |
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| vldcnst | Is there a pl2303.ko already precompiled? | 01:20 |
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| vldcnst | I noticed powerkernel has a ftdi_sio packaged | 01:21 |
| TiagoTiago | With hostmode and an 3 way adapter that also got a charger or some sort of "power pack" plugged, would it be possible to flash one N900 using another? | 01:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | That would make an interesting art installation, using a custom firmware that automates the whole process and does it automaticly after boot, you could leave two N900s perpetualy flashing each other back and forth Xp | 01:24 |
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| TiagoTiago | brb | 01:30 |
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| pupnik | the best programming drink is tea.... i have decided after close observation. | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Earl Grey, Hot? | 01:34 |
| * nox- assam | 01:34 | |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, :) | 01:34 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: ceylon (sri lanka) | 01:37 |
| pupnik | had to check | 01:37 |
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| pupnik | unlike coffee or cola, you can pretty much drink it all day | 01:37 |
| * SpeedEvil prefers Irn Bru. | 01:37 | |
| pupnik | what's that? | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irn_bru | 01:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's about 50% of the fluid intake of the average Scot. The rest is BuckFast tonic wine, and Cider. | 01:39 |
| TiagoTiago | back | 01:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | Talking about doing it all day, i once stayed on the computer for so long, without sleep for a couple of days, that at one point the letters on screen became ants and started walking around...trippy.... | 01:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | though i'm scared to think what the neuron bodycount probably was after that episode... | 01:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | Oh, great; the scissors i just got came in one of those hard plastic wrappers that you can only open safelly using scissors -___- | 01:50 |
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| nox- | hahaha | 01:52 |
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| jhb | mmm, when doing dmesg I get a lot of: | 02:06 |
| jhb | [ 796.268615] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 56943039, nr 17, card status 0x200900 | 02:06 |
| jhb | [ 796.268646] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 56943039 | 02:06 |
| jhb | any ideas? | 02:07 |
| nox- | sounds like a dud shdc card? | 02:07 |
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| nox- | err microsd | 02:07 |
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| jhb | nox-: no card in the phone... | 02:07 |
| nox- | oh then i guess its just checking if it can mount one | 02:08 |
| jhb | nox-: that wouldn't be that bad then | 02:10 |
| nox- | yep | 02:10 |
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| MohammadAG | jhb, mmcblk0 is internal eMMC | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | looks bad to me | 02:12 |
| nox- | oh :( | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | backup what you have before it dies | 02:12 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: uh oh | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | if it dies, take it to Nokia care, you could try flashing the eMMC but that probably won't help | 02:13 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: that means sending it back to amazon.de? | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | is it under warranty? | 02:13 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: yes | 02:13 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: only 4 months old | 02:13 |
| nox- | :( | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | should be replaced for free without any problems then | 02:14 |
| jhb | mmm, I used a 1 -> 2 headphone adapter today, wonder if that was it | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK / SpeedEvil, thoughts? | 02:14 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: thanks for the info | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I like cheese. | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | If there was a microsd present, the microsd would be called mmcblk0 by some things | 02:14 |
| jhb | its not entirely pleasant though.... | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - thoughts on what? | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | yw, but it's not the headphone thingy | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, preinit though | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, read up | 02:15 |
| nox- | ShadowJK, aah that's why i was confused... | 02:15 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: ok, so its entirely not my fault. Good, I am innocent | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | I/O errors on mmcblk0 | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | the mmcblk0 naming thing is confusing on meego | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | maemo renames the eMMC to ...blk0 | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /sys/class/ubi/ubi0/bad_peb_count | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Will show you the number of known-bad blocks | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | that's ubifs | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ignore me | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | not emmc | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm tired | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:16 |
| jhb | http://pastebin.com/AVLLaNUM | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | nw | 02:16 |
| jhb | thats what the long version looks like | 02:16 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, the rename doesn't work entirely, it still gets called by old names in certain places :P | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd be interested in decoding that 200900 error code. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (but not interested enough to look it up myself) | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, no uSD inserted though :) | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | I have to wake up in less than 4h :/ | 02:18 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: uh oh. Sleep well then | 02:18 |
| jhb | MohammadAG: and thanks a lot for your help! | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | nah, too bored to sleep :p | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | you're welcome :) | 02:18 |
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| TiagoTiago | I think i'm gonna reflash, it's too unerving to be so close but at the same time so far from my N900 :( | 02:31 |
| TiagoTiago | how is the correct way to spell "unnerving" btw? | 02:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | No, it has fourteen v's. | 02:34 |
| TiagoTiago | Just one last confirmation; i don't need to hexedit the partition info if i'm just flashing rootfs, right? It won't affect my expanded home partition, will it? | 02:37 |
| jhb | TiagoTiago, MohammadAG: just an update - I fsck'ed my /opt, restored a 10 day old backup from bootbackup, and now no more errors when trying to use the builtin backup tool, also my desktop widgets work again | 02:41 |
| jhb | hurray | 02:41 |
| jhb | only one phone number added during the last 10 days | 02:41 |
| jhb | but still, I will follow MohammadAGs advice and run a full backup of MyDocs and other relevant data now | 02:41 |
| TiagoTiago | cool! :) | 02:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | Erm, wait, reflashing rootfs will mess with /opt? | 02:44 |
| TiagoTiago | "Flashing the rootfs on your N900 will reset the device's linux system back to factory settings...Also, all information contained in /home (except /home/opt) will remain intact. " http://wiki.maemo.org/Reflash#N900 | 02:45 |
| TiagoTiago | Do i need to backup my /opt? | 02:46 |
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| jhb | TiagoTiago: I think so | 02:49 |
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| pupnik | i can hear the power regulator in my battery charger go from full-charge to trickle charge :) | 02:53 |
| nox- | when you hold it to your ear? | 02:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | Isn't /opt just a symlink to the /home/opt folder? | 02:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | perhaps not a symlink, some other type of folder tree "portal" | 02:59 |
| TiagoTiago | but some* | 02:59 |
| TiagoTiago | pupnik: a high pitched whistle? | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | TiagoTiago: yes | 03:02 |
| pupnik | nox-: i hear it from the next room | 03:02 |
| nox- | wow | 03:02 |
| TiagoTiago | I've been told those highpiched whistles tend to come from capacitors nearing their death...... | 03:03 |
| pupnik | well now i'm sure it's from switching power supplies | 03:03 |
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| TiagoTiago | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Default_partition_setup doesn't mention a partition for /opt | 03:10 |
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| TiagoTiago | Does anyone know if the contents of /opt gets wiped if you reflash only rootfs but not the eMMC? | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | opt is in /home | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't get touched | 03:37 |
| TiagoTiago | Why does it suggests otherwise in http://wiki.maemo.org/Reflash#N900 ? | 03:37 |
| TiagoTiago | "Flashing the rootfs on your N900 will reset the device's linux system back to factory settings...Also, all information contained in /home (except /home/opt) will remain intact." | 03:38 |
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| TiagoTiago | What gives? | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a wiki. | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be wrong | 03:50 |
| nox- | doesnt a fresh flashed device move stuff to /opt on first boot? | 03:50 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 03:50 |
| nox- | for like minutes... | 03:50 |
| TiagoTiago | Hm | 03:50 |
| nox- | freshly even | 03:50 |
| TiagoTiago | Well, if it is just the optfying of system files i don't think i have anything to worry about | 03:51 |
| pupnik | what glibc version do we have on n900? | 03:51 |
| nox- | also /opt is just a kludge bc someone didnt know /usr can be a seperate fs... | 03:51 |
| pupnik | hmm not sure bout that | 03:51 |
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| pupnik | hmm 2.5.1 | 03:52 |
| TiagoTiago | hmm pie | 03:54 |
| TiagoTiago | alright, here goes nothing | 03:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | I'm shitting myself nervous about how much i might have lost :( | 04:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | What's on the FS? | 04:13 |
| TiagoTiago | Dunno really, probably nothing important, i tend to overreact to certain things... | 04:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | not "certain", "some", i don't think there really is much of a pattern | 04:16 |
| TiagoTiago | Hm, Is it normal for the throbber to last a long time after a rootfs reflash? | 04:18 |
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| TiagoTiago | Still throbbing... | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 min or so | 04:29 |
| pupnik | callgrind still breaking on n900 :( anybody used it? | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It takes ages | 04:29 |
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| pupnik | nah | 04:29 |
| pupnik | did you use it? | 04:29 |
| derf | I've used it. | 04:30 |
| TiagoTiago | Yay, the pin entry screen! | 04:30 |
| pupnik | Callgrind: jumps.c:164 (new_jcc): Assertion '(0 <= jmp) && (jmp <= from->bb->cjmp_count)' failed. | 04:31 |
| derf | I helped get it working in the first place. | 04:31 |
| TiagoTiago | Hands video! :D | 04:31 |
| pupnik | seems to be triggered when calling libphysfs (no debugging symbols)? | 04:31 |
| pupnik | or related to this bug? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.debugging.valgrind.devel/12835 | 04:31 |
| derf | pupnik: File a bug. | 04:31 |
| pupnik | does it look like a bug, or do i need to build a libphysfs with debug-symbols? | 04:32 |
| derf | pupnik: Did you try the patch in that bug? | 04:32 |
| pupnik | no | 04:33 |
| pupnik | so far it seems callgrind yields that with everything i try though | 04:33 |
| pupnik | do you have any working use of valgrind+callgrind i could try running derf? | 04:34 |
| derf | Hmm, it definitely doesn't do that for me, though I've been using a copy I built several months ago. | 04:34 |
| TiagoTiago | Now to start resintalling all my stuff | 04:34 |
| derf | pupnik: dump_video from libtheora (you'll have to build it from svn, as the package doesn't install that program by default). | 04:35 |
| derf | pupnik: Note that, even if you get it working, it's currently hamstrung by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252091 | 04:36 |
| povbot` | Bug 252091: was not found. | 04:36 |
| pupnik | ahh ok :( | 04:37 |
| pupnik | oprofile used to give me all i needed really | 04:37 |
| derf | I started a patch to fix that bug, but then I got distracted for 7 months. | 04:43 |
| derf | In any case, if you can verify the assertion fix, I can harass sewardj to get it applied. | 04:43 |
| pupnik | on my todo list | 04:51 |
| pupnik | derf ++ | 04:52 |
| pupnik | maemo-launcher is incredibly busy during my sdl-game | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | ahh it's got all the clutter stuff under it | 04:57 |
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| pupnik | mce consuming surprisingly lot of cpu | 05:42 |
| pupnik | 1371 0.4519 no-vmlinux mce /no-vmlinux | 05:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | What is the page that got those green arrows for enabling the -test and -dev repos? | 06:15 |
| pupnik | http://www.ocpp.org/blue/Danny_Kaye_-_I_Paid_My_Income_Tax_Today.mp3 >_< listen | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | "At Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau’s request, Irving Berlin wrote a flag-waving propaganda song, “I Paid My Income Tax Today,” which was announced at the end of January 1942." | 06:30 |
| TiagoTiago | amusing | 06:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | Hm, i've just reflashed my rootfs, would it be worth setting up a chroot to another copy of the rootfs to keep the original intact and easier to recover? | 06:44 |
| TiagoTiago | I mean, should i take this opportunity to do this? | 06:45 |
| sid__ | 2011041502003803 | 06:45 |
| sid__ | sry false copy&paste | 06:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | Hm, can't install Synaptic? Balls :( | 07:19 |
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| RST38h | ...There are just two people left who can speak Ayapaneco fluently -- but they refuse to talk to each other... | 09:20 |
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| pupnik | daimonin client: new quickslot prototype and many improved icons http://i.imgur.com/yXkkt.jpg | 09:21 |
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| pupnik | tell me the ugliest things - stuff you notice first | 09:32 |
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| MohammadAG | morning | 10:36 |
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| pupnik | should hildon desktop be constantly consuming 4-7% cpu? | 10:38 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 10:44 |
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| pupnik | something has increased my idle load from 6mA to 30mA | 11:04 |
| pupnik | freakin aliens | 11:05 |
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| pupnik | MohammadAG: may be related to catorize... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 | 11:12 |
| povbot` | Bug 10412: hildon-desktop cpu usage, result=causes slow battery drain | 11:12 |
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| MohammadAG | pupnik, that was fixed in the CSSU if you use that | 11:12 |
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| MohammadAG | https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/460912aac97f2cfcb816c4900c20a5a46ec3f10e | 11:13 |
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| pupnik | hmm, deleting my only widget application and now hildon desktop is at 0.0 | 11:14 |
| MohammadAG | widgets are run by hildon-home, not hildon-desktop | 11:14 |
| pupnik | ahh | 11:14 |
| pupnik | thanks for the link! ) | 11:15 |
| pupnik | so many awesome apps here that aren't available for android, or would be a pain to get running | 11:16 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 11:28 |
| ruskie | why is it on the ground? | 11:28 |
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| pupnik | because the table has no power outlets | 11:31 |
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| pupnik | locals | 12:00 |
| pupnik | oop | 12:00 |
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| Termana | good morning | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's hoe USB receptacle gets loose most usually | 12:57 |
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| AsusEeePC | guess its dead | 12:59 |
| AsusEeePC | anyways since maemo is an linux based os , is there something like srs for it ? | 12:59 |
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| AsusEeePC | no response | 13:03 |
| AsusEeePC | ohwell | 13:03 |
| MaKa | 'Memory not accessible. unable to save content' error :( | 13:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | srs? | 13:08 |
| AsusEeePC | surround sound | 13:08 |
| AsusEeePC | or 3d sound | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Sound is based on pulseaudio | 13:09 |
| AsusEeePC | if you call it that way | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Even if you don't. | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's still based on pulseaudio. | 13:10 |
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| AsusEeePC | i see | 13:10 |
| AsusEeePC | but is there something like that for n900? | 13:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh... possibly; 3D sound is 'faked' through the use of(basically) an equalizer | 13:13 |
| robbiethe1st | You can use Rockbox which has a built-in equalizer. Or, possibly, take your music, set your PC up with a "headphones" equalizer and record through that | 13:14 |
| AsusEeePC | ssymfonie i use | 13:15 |
| AsusEeePC | what about incredible sound | 13:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh... | 13:15 |
| robbiethe1st | ? | 13:15 |
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| AsusEeePC | its something portable speakers use | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | For incredible sound, resample everything to 24kb/s | 13:16 |
| robbiethe1st | XD | 13:16 |
| AsusEeePC | but i thought an srs would be nice for n900 | 13:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Just configure your equalizer | 13:16 |
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| robbiethe1st | You can always try Rockbox; it's got loads of presets to make your music sound 'better'. | 13:19 |
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| macmaN | right | 13:20 |
| macmaN | so how come i didnt get the memo about opera11 being absolutely mindblowing on n900 | 13:20 |
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| macmaN | i (heart) ff to the core, but this is on another level | 13:21 |
| robbiethe1st | Dunno; never used it | 13:21 |
| macmaN | you owe it to yourself to at least try it one time :) | 13:22 |
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| macmaN | on another note, is there some known method to get better resolution thumbnails for contacts with hermes | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | opera is awesome | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, also doesn't know flash, but aiui no second source browser will, as (dunno why) microB flash "plugin" isn't compatible, and CPU grunt is too weak for sw-emulated (non-hw-accelerated) flash | 13:32 |
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| macmaN | and on another note, is there something that display your current ip in a visually pleasant way in statusmenu/desktop | 13:37 |
| macmaN | or just what do you guys your for that | 13:38 |
| macmaN | use* | 13:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Like personal IP address widget? | 13:40 |
| piggz | hi...running meego -de on n900, both tablet and handset versions connect fine to my wifi, but cant connect to the net...i have an ip address on wlan0, but unable to ping my router, any ideas? | 13:46 |
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| AsusEeePC | this rockbox support lossless? | 13:58 |
| AsusEeePC | aka flac, ape,tak,tta | 13:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea | 14:03 |
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| robbiethe1st | flac at least, probably ape | 14:03 |
| robbiethe1st | http://www.rockbox.org/ | 14:03 |
| ruskie | ape... I doubt it | 14:04 |
| ruskie | iirc ape isn't really Free friendly | 14:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio | 14:07 |
| ruskie | ahh | 14:11 |
| ruskie | I guess | 14:11 |
| ruskie | don't really care | 14:11 |
| ruskie | I mostly have ogg, flac and a few mp3s | 14:11 |
| robbiethe1st | I've got perhaps half a dozen ogg, a couple flac and mostly mp3s of varying quality | 14:13 |
| macmaN | opera 11 for diablo | 14:13 |
| macmaN | :-o | 14:13 |
| macmaN | talk about new life? | 14:13 |
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| pupnik | i think there are some open-source HRTF models and datasets if someone's interested AsusEeePC | 14:32 |
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| MohammadAG | Qt's kinda crappy on symbian | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | Weeelll.... | 15:03 |
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| ZogG | who had looose connector? | 15:53 |
| ZogG | usb port on n900 i mean | 15:53 |
| ArkanoiD- | mine is ok | 15:55 |
| ArkanoiD- | despite the way i abuse it: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/hostmode.jpg | 15:56 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: pong | 16:03 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, any chance you're making SF. | 16:09 |
| RST38h | SF as in what? | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | MeeGoConf | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: i had but it was plug on charger | 16:13 |
| ZogG | jacekowski i don't know if it charger or usb | 16:13 |
| ZogG | when it get broken it's ripped out of n900 at all? | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | charger very likely | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | no | 16:13 |
| ZogG | i think tiny thing inside usb on n900 is moving little bit | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: try poking it gently with something | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: and see if it moves | 16:14 |
| ZogG | and it wouldn't chatge =( | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: metal thing | 16:14 |
| ZogG | not metal | 16:14 |
| ZogG | the one inside | 16:14 |
| ZogG | with contacts | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | can you connect it to pc with normal cable? | 16:14 |
| ZogG | woudn't help ( | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | then it's broken | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | and it's not the way it's broken normally | 16:15 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Ah,that... Probably not. Not the best time in my life at the moment. | 16:16 |
| ZogG | i have microusb to usb | 16:16 |
| ZogG | if i connect it to pc with normal usb cable? | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: cable that came with a phone | 16:16 |
| ZogG | tred that | 16:17 |
| ZogG | no effect | 16:17 |
| AsusEeePC | so uhm how do i install this rockplayer | 16:17 |
| ZogG | oh | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: then it's broken | 16:17 |
| ZogG | it does work on laptop | 16:17 |
| ZogG | it turned yellow light for once | 16:17 |
| pupnik | just came up with a much faster (discrete, integer) model for laplacian growth | 16:19 |
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| AsusEeePC | its for my n900 | 16:19 |
| pupnik | well nothing more than a hack, i guess | 16:19 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, i think i managed | 16:19 |
| ZogG | but i played with cable | 16:19 |
| ZogG | and i think it's inside phone | 16:20 |
| ZogG | jacekowski nope still fighting with it | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, sorry to hear that. | 16:23 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I'm currently worried the Intel marketing people are going to overpower us and stuff us in a closet. :P | 16:25 |
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| _trine | I cant update apps anymore or get to the repositories | 16:29 |
| _trine | this is what I see in th elog | 16:30 |
| _trine | http://dpaste.com/532674/ | 16:30 |
| _trine | my wifes N900 has no problem | 16:30 |
| _trine | any ideas | 16:30 |
| _trine | what does the E: mean ? | 16:31 |
| psycho_oreos | error | 16:31 |
| _trine | any ideas why an error would occur | 16:32 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally would suggest removing those files and try update again | 16:32 |
| _trine | which files | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | don't know, it could be almost anything from perms to corrupt file | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | /var/lib/apt/lists/*._Packages | 16:34 |
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| _trine | I deleted all the files in that folder but its just the same | 16:38 |
| _trine | when I try to download new apps it says no-applications available | 16:39 |
| ZogG | jacekowski yeah whole thing came out | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: metal thing? | 16:39 |
| ZogG | yeah | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | you broke it | 16:39 |
| ZogG | jacekowski what options do i have? | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | nokia care | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | or sit down and cry | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | make a backup while it's still charged | 16:40 |
| ZogG | we don't have officialy n900 in here | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | nokia care | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | they will probably help | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG may know something about nokia in israel | 16:41 |
| ZogG | http://europe.nokia.com/support/repair-and-recycle/repair/care-points | 16:43 |
| ZogG | no nokia care | 16:43 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, ping | 16:43 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, and what are the chances to fix it manually? | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | slim | 16:44 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski checking with friends from intel | 16:47 |
| ZogG | he is working therre in engeneering or something | 16:47 |
| ZogG | if he can do it | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | well, you would have to check how bad is it | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | did it just desoldered | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | or ripped tracks as well | 16:49 |
| ZogG | jacekowski how many tracks it have? | 16:51 |
| ZogG | i have 3 left on it | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | 5 | 16:51 |
| ZogG | so =( | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | Vbus D+ D- Id GND | 16:51 |
| ZogG | wait what phones have same parts | 16:51 |
| ZogG | N86 ? | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | have you opened your phone already? | 16:52 |
| ZogG | not yet | 16:52 |
| ZogG | i see on part outsie | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | so how do you know what is left inside | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | i'm not talking about socket itself | 16:52 |
| ZogG | inside i think it's left 2 =) | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | then you're in a shit | 16:52 |
| ZogG | why? | 16:52 |
| ZogG | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Port-Charging-Connector-NOKIA-N86-N900-7210C-5220C-/220754421623?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3365fd2777#ht_1844wt_907 | 16:52 |
| ZogG | if i buy that one? | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | if it lifted tracks from pcb there is no way to do them again | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | i'm talking about pcb not a connector | 16:53 |
| psycho_oreos | _trine, what does the logs say? | 16:53 |
| ZogG | why? | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | because PCB can't be replaced | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | connector can | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | and it's cheap | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | so you have to check if PCB is damaged or not | 16:53 |
| _trine | psycho_oreos, I am just copying a folder so I will have to wait till this has finished | 16:54 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, my friend works at intel factory making cpu's i think he have tools, can it be managed in lab or i need to change pcb so i need new one? | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: depends if it's damaged or not | 16:55 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: if it's damaged you need new pcb ( and everything that's on it ( so it's pretty much new phone ) ) | 16:55 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski, how it can be damaged? | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | by ripping connector out? | 16:58 |
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| jacekowski | how do you think connector is connected to pcb? | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | it's soldered | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | to copper tracks on that pcb | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | and copper tracks are glued to pcb | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | when you rip that connector out it's either glue or solder that gives up | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | if you're lucky it was solder | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | if you're not it was glue | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | in most cases it's glue | 16:59 |
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| macmaN | can anyone remind what stopped you from putting app launchers on diablo's hildon-desktop | 17:04 |
| macmaN | remind me* | 17:04 |
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| OkropNick | macmaN: Queen Beecon? | 17:16 |
| OkropNick | macmaN: sorry, I didn't understood you. Little hangover | 17:17 |
| ZogG | jacekowski ok i disassembeled it =) | 17:18 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski, now how do i check? | 17:19 |
| ZogG | i even don't have camera to take pics =( | 17:19 |
| _trine | psycho_oreos, which logs ? | 17:20 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski, ping | 17:23 |
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| jacekowski | ZogG: well, you have to get to place where usb connector used to be | 17:26 |
| ZogG | jacekowski i see it | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | and how does it look? | 17:26 |
| ZogG | how i know if it's can be fixed or not? | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | are tracks still there? | 17:26 |
| ZogG | i see 2 are in places | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | are you talking about pins from that connector | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | or tracks on pcb | 17:27 |
| ZogG | i'm confused what is tracks | 17:27 |
| ZogG | like i see 5 little thins connector should be pluged to | 17:28 |
| ZogG | 1 of them is like full | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | http://arpa.org/visual/pcb.jpg | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | that's a PCB | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | that's not a real pcb | 17:28 |
| ZogG | wait | 17:29 |
| ZogG | have you ever disassembled one? | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/1/enigmah/enigmah_pcb.jpg | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | that's a PCB | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: yes | 17:29 |
| ZogG | can i take part with microsd off? | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | i'm giving you simple example | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: there is that ribbon connecting it to main pcb | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: don't damage it | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: there is no way to replace it | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: take a look at picture i linked | 17:30 |
| ZogG | i just pull it off? | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: that's a PCB | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: these silver looking things on are tracks | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: or pads | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | depending on location | 17:30 |
| ZogG | ok | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | they are called differently | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | you solder components to them | 17:30 |
| ZogG | i see 5 of thems | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | tracks are held to pcb with just glue | 17:30 |
| ZogG | but several looks not that silver anymore =) | 17:31 |
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| jacekowski | well, they may be copper colour | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | or whiteish looking as well | 17:31 |
| ZogG | i mean they are like ripped off in half | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | photo would be the best | 17:32 |
| ZogG | like you have old sticker and you take it off | 17:32 |
| ZogG | but it's like off but still left | 17:32 |
| ZogG | if you get what i mean | 17:32 |
| ZogG | i don't have batteries for camera =( | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | hmm, well, thing is is it glue and whatever they use to keep tracks stuck to pcb | 17:33 |
| jacekowski | ask your friend | 17:33 |
| jacekowski | that would be the best thing to do | 17:33 |
| _trine | hmmm it wont even let me unistall apps either its says 'internal error' | 17:33 |
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| _trine | is there a way to reset the N900 to defaults or would I need to reflash it | 17:39 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski how do i take off microsd part | 17:42 |
| ZogG | affraid to break it | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: broken solder looks whitish | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: (afraid) better you are. this is a very delicate piece and glued on by sticky tape really tight | 17:47 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51, took it out | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus you have that ribbon connection to main PCB that MUST NOT break | 17:47 |
| ZogG | it was dirty than sticky tape is not the same anymore =) | 17:47 |
| ZogG | the ribbon is alright | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you can carefully 'scratch' the white pads with a screwdriver and see if they get silver | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or copper | 17:49 |
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| _trine | and apply some flux | 17:50 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 and if the y do? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then you're lucky and can reolder the USB | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | re-solder | 17:52 |
| ZogG | i think the connections are ok | 17:52 |
| ZogG | but i do need new connector anyway i think | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you got 5 contacts plus 4 large mech support pads | 17:53 |
| ZogG | support pads are not that important right? | 17:54 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 as i already got it appart, there is somethin between power and camera button like small battery | 17:55 |
| ZogG | is it inside battery? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ackup bat for RTC | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | usually broken | 17:55 |
| ZogG | yeah mine is broken | 17:56 |
| ZogG | can it be replaced? | 17:56 |
| ZogG | maybe i'll order are buy something | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 17:56 |
| ZogG | any advice on it s well? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I usually recommend a supercap | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'll post the link when at home | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the LiIo cells all break after 6 months | 17:57 |
| ZogG | can usay me more details | 17:58 |
| ZogG | soi'll order on ebay? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wait 90 min, I'll ping you | 17:59 |
| ZogG | ok | 17:59 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 btw i can't manage to reconnect connector myself right? i need really special equipment as it's small? | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | umm, yes | 18:01 |
| ZogG | damn it | 18:02 |
| ZogG | my friend don't answer the phone | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page | 18:02 |
| ZogG | + i need new connector | 18:02 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51> HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page ??? | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | some link has the right answer | 18:03 |
| ZogG | if i would understand shit like that =0 | 18:04 |
| ZogG | =) | 18:05 |
| ZogG | http://www.datasheetarchive.com/HB414-datasheet.html ? | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | XH414H | 18:09 |
| ZogG | ebay says nothing | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | l8r | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ | 18:11 |
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| ZogG | \o | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: MOUSER | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | STOCK NO. 628-XH414H-II06E Seiko Part No. XH414H-II06E figure E in that http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf maches footprint of N900-bupbat *exactly* | 18:34 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer where can i buy it? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | at mouser? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seiko-Instruments/XH414H-II06E/?qs=%2bPJ3Ll1xQNZaFL0JrSSItw== | 18:36 |
| ZogG | anywhere i can pay with paypal? | 18:36 |
| ZogG | they have israel number i'll call them | 18:37 |
| ZogG | tomorrow | 18:37 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, anyway they have connector as well? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrn2mouser | 18:38 |
| ZogG | what is this mouser at all? | 18:38 |
| ZogG | this one is good enuf? | 18:39 |
| ZogG | http://il.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/47642-0001/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvix4Kz%252byXAvU6WIa4V4G4m | 18:39 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer at the connector | 18:41 |
| ZogG | 4 pads actually don't have any purpose except to hold it? | 18:42 |
| ZogG | cause those have glue ripped of | 18:42 |
| ZogG | and 5 contacts are still silver i think | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you need lots of glue to reinstall the receptacle ;-) | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 5 small parallel pads are electric contacts, the there are 4 huge and 2 smaller large ones that are mostly mech support but also GND for sleve of receptacle | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== STATIC CONNECT!! check datasheet! | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/STAIC/QUICK/ | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/STATIC/QUICK/ | 18:52 |
| apt | DocScrutinizer meant: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== QUICK CONNECT!! check datasheet! | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/fcimicrousb/ http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&N=4294759256+13833015+4294741457+1323043 | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/643/1309.pdf | 19:17 |
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| mazzen | hi! does anyone know, if there is a specific reason for the acess denied on http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/jalimo-install.php ? or is this just a configuration error? | 19:20 |
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| macmaN | probably configuration error | 19:24 |
| macmaN | i doubt they check user agents | 19:24 |
| macmaN | or...? | 19:24 |
| macmaN | wow interesting, java on the tablet eh | 19:25 |
| macmaN | i rememeber i was looking for that at one point, but now i cant remember what for | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Looks like the whole repo is locked from access | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://portal.fciconnect.com/portal/page/portal/FcicntPublic/ComergentConnect?appname=catDisplayStyle$domProductQueryName=10103594-0001LF*$OP=search CustomerDrawing suggests this component is matching *almost* but has thruhole for the mech posts. You can either cut, or bend, or (not really) drill holes into PCB ;-P | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== | 19:40 |
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| Venemo | good afternoon Maemo :) | 19:48 |
| Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer, how're you? | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | headache of Mouser | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Well, moo. | 19:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer pondering how to find out if it's safe to finally drill holes to the USB rcpc solder pads of PCB, to get a MUCH better sturdy USB connector. Would need X-Ray for that :-S | 19:51 | |
| ruskie | or original blueprints I guess | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there SHOULD not be any inner layer traces, but you never know | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Oringinal schematic, or a delaminated blank board | 19:54 |
| mazzen | macmaN, RST38h, thanks for your replay. i mailed them. | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll not delaminate my blank board | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | might even be impossible with the 500k vias | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | sandpaper | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already considered drilling/miling out those holes by the Angstrom | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly a proper Xray is way better | 20:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:03 |
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| piggz | anyone know if qml apps will ever be allowed out of extras-devel? | 20:04 |
| Venemo | piggz, why, they are allowed right now, aren't they? | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | piggz, that's up to the maintainers. | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...of Qt which will never make it out of extras-devel either? | 20:10 |
| piggz | Venemo: GAN900: eg, i see this on my package | 20:11 |
| piggz | Warning: Promotion of experimental Qtm based applications (libqtm11 or libqtm-extras) is blocked due to conflicts with stable versions.Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked. | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qtm BWAHAHA | 20:11 |
| Venemo | piggz, that is unrelated to QML | 20:12 |
| piggz | Venemo: well, not totally unrelated, if you use libqtm-11-declarative | 20:12 |
| piggz | DocScrutinizer: explain? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ..is blocked die to conflicts with missing nuclear battery | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/die/due/ | 20:13 |
| apt | DocScrutinizer meant: ..is blocked due to conflicts with missing nuclear battery | 20:13 |
| piggz | ? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | qtmob eats battery like candy | 20:14 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, QtMob is there on default install. | 20:14 |
| piggz | well, yes, i did notice that with twimgo | 20:14 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, piggz uses an experimental package that conflicts with some regular ones, and that's the matter. | 20:14 |
| piggz | Venemo: what is the offical one? | 20:14 |
| Venemo | piggz, you'll need folks like X-Fade or achipa to figure this one out | 20:14 |
| Venemo | piggz, the one that's in the default install | 20:15 |
| piggz | im not ready to promote yet...this is just for future reference | 20:15 |
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| piggz | Venemo: i guess its the versions without the -11- in the middle | 20:16 |
| piggz | as reported by apt-cache search | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill qtmob with fire | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pity that crap made it into default | 20:17 |
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| piggz | DocScrutinizer: that seems a bit harsh...sure, it could use less battery, but its useful for, eg (im may case) using the acceleromter from qml | 20:17 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, hey. if they could eliminate the polling-based shit, it would be fine. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | EXACTLY WHAT's USING LIKE 200 POLLS/s | 20:18 |
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| Venemo | piggz, in its current implementation, Qt Mobility polls the accelerometer 100 times a second. that's why DocScrutinizer doesn't like it. | 20:18 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, btw, I asked MohammadAG to reduce that to 50/s for CSSU :P | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's complete BS | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need a daemon, that knows about kevents | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we got one ke-recv | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that one doesn't care about accelerometer | 20:19 |
| piggz | QSensor::setDataRate(int) ? | 20:21 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yep, but you can't implement that in a couple of seconds. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the only proper fix is to kill filesensor in qtmob and replace it with a kevents-aware concept | 20:21 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, or maybe _you_ can, but I can't. anyway, why don't you help out with it? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm helping out a lot with it, but my coder monkey years are like last millenium | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it'd take me some 4 weeks to unknot my fingers when dealing with that git shit, kernel sources, Aspirin, whatnot | 20:23 |
| piggz | is -12- any better than -11- ? | 20:23 |
| piggz | (in battery usage) | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: prolly only root can access kevents | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so fixing Qtmob is kinda impossible | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even the driver is borked and doesn't really trigger a kevent for all the things we'd need | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy to debug, even with gdb, as there are udev tools that work via kevents, and kevents api per definitionem delivers *all* kevents, just those tools filer out the ones not needed for udev | 20:27 |
| piggz | well, i'd live to stop and discuss the pros and cons of libqtm, but, i suspect my wife will kick my ass if i dont get ready to go for a meal and cinema ;) thx for the insight | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# udevadm monitor | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | udevmonitor will print the received events for: | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | UDEV the event which udev sends out after rule processing | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | UEVENT the kernel uevent | 20:29 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, if you make that daemon | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/114252/ | 20:32 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, that will use whatever method you prefer to use | 20:32 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, then I _promise_ to fix that class in QtM to use your daemon | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 20:33 |
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| vi___ | DocScrutinizer: you there? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:36 |
| vi___ | hello | 20:36 |
| vi___ | i finally figured out you are joerg on gthe forum | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 20:37 |
| vi___ | I also saw that you had a part in writing a script to control the batter charger using the i2ctools package | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:56 IroN900 kernel: [120008.641723] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now open | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:32:45 IroN900 kernel: [120057.329406] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now closed | 20:38 |
| vi___ | now, as far as i can see the n900 doesnt charge to 4.2 volts | 20:38 |
| vi___ | or is bme lying | 20:38 |
| vi___ | ? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 kernel: [119974.060791] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 ke_recv[1846]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value | 20:38 |
| vi___ | is it worth patching bme to charge to 4.2 volts like fmtx | 20:39 |
| vi___ | was patches? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet kernel delivers kevents for cam-shutter as well | 20:39 |
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| vi___ | what do you think? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, bme *is* charging to ~4.200 (-.005...0.010) mV | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought it was 4165 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the basic charging is completely done based on a script and concept I published | 20:41 |
| vi___ | then why does it only ever show values below? | 20:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - the battery charger / charge controller/sense-resistor thing | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:41 |
| vi___ | also | 20:42 |
| vi___ | android blows | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 4165 to 4200 are like 35mV in my book. Will give you something like 30s to 2min longer power-up time, and some weeks if not months less of battery life | 20:43 |
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| vi___ | so you dont agree with the voltage vs charge graphs on battery university? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | tose are examples | 20:44 |
| vi___ | examples of what? differnt cells? i thought lion cells all behaved the same way | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, arbitrary cell | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, every cell has a different chemistry | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's how manufacturers differentiate | 20:46 |
| vi___ | so many noobs on TNO | 20:46 |
| vi___ | so many noobs on TMO | 20:46 |
| Venemo | vi___, indeed | 20:46 |
| vi___ | so many nubes on TMO | 20:46 |
| vi___ | s0 many nubes on TMO | 20:46 |
| jaska | troll.maemo.org | 20:47 |
| vi___ | ya! | 20:47 |
| vi___ | had my first shot of android yesterday. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 20:48 |
| apt | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | beeen trolls, morons, err dunno | 20:48 |
| vi___ | how to make them go away? | 20:49 |
| Venemo | ~nuke TMO's noobs for trolling | 20:49 |
| * apt prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at TMO's noobs for trolling ... B☢☢M! | 20:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | echo "127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts | 20:49 |
| vi___ | ho ho | 20:50 |
| derf | I like 0.0.0.0 even better. | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | i love the delecate balancing act of finding the perfect position for usb cable to make contact | 21:31 |
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| pupnik | delicate :) | 21:32 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, why not get it fixed/replaced? | 21:36 |
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| pupnik | i'll buy one when i have the cash | 21:37 |
| ruskie | hehe | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Qt Mobility isn't actually that bad | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | the sensor API is shit though | 21:50 |
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| Spydemon | does N900 support GTK3 applications ? | 22:04 |
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| Venemo | Spydemon, nope | 22:13 |
| Venemo | Spydemon, unless you build Gtk3 for it | 22:14 |
| Spydemon | ok, thanks ;-) | 22:14 |
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| Spydemon | I think use GTK2 is easier ^^ | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf though for High Power RC model planes, this has quite a good set of numbers and recommendations | 22:40 |
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| * GAN900 about killed himself wiring in a new thermostat last night. | 22:41 | |
| GAN900 | The HVAC really needs to standardize a bit. | 22:41 |
| RST38h | They are standard | 22:42 |
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| GAN900 | +industry | 22:42 |
| RST38h | There are 2-3 standard wirings | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Doc: scary, dangerous stuff | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | Labelling and color seems to vary a lot by manufacturer. | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | GAN: The one I once bought had a manual describing how to connect it to each of wirings | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Although I do remember looking at it for at least half an hours,before I figured this crap out | 22:45 |
| GAN900 | Mine did, too, but it didn't seem to relate much to the old one. | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | Didn't help that I didn't want to open up the compressor to check the terminals there, though. | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | Despite a couple of false starts, I do now have an HA controlled AC. . . . | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | HA? | 22:47 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:47 |
| GAN900 | Home Automation | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 22:47 |
| GAN900 | INSTEON in my case. | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish batteries were cheaper. | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like to install ~5KWh and charge them on cheap night-time electricity. | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It actually breaks even with cheaper LiFePO4 cells. | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | But breakeven isn't great | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | I wish unlimited free energy were a thing. :P | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | I'd need more than 5kWh :-) | 22:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | A good heatpump on night-rate electricity also works quite well - into a heatstore. (In principle) | 22:50 |
| laasonen | There was about a year ago speak about uncrippled apt. Is the source avalaible somewhere? | 22:52 |
| ruskie | how is it crippled? | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | outside temp is 0 - 10C right noe (night/day). The heatpump is doing absolutely nothing 95% of the time. House is mostly passively heated amtm | 22:52 |
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| ShadowJK | atm* | 22:53 |
| ruskie | I'd like to have HA as well | 22:53 |
| laasonen | ruskie: Well you get this error for example, if you try to install something from ovistore without the damn webui: "E: Handler silently failed" | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | ovi is special :-) | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | ignore it | 22:54 |
| ruskie | laasonen, ovistore is a pay thing and is blocked normally | 22:54 |
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| ruskie | they actually had it fully open at one point and anyone was able to get stuff for free | 22:55 |
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| laasonen | Well it should be possible to fix and most of the packages there are free. | 22:55 |
| ruskie | it's a paywall thing | 22:55 |
| ruskie | live with it | 22:55 |
| laasonen | :( | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, it's ridiculously entertaining. | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's able to line up 5 names of OVI apps here, that are worth to have a look at OVI? | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | I ordered some pressure pads to stick under the matresses to control bathroom lights in the middle of the night. | 22:57 |
| ruskie | I'm eyeing the conrad fs20 for my HA stuff | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: next time RTFM | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: never touch anything that costs more than £10 or has voltages higher than 12V without RTFM | 22:58 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, did, lost the manual for the old thermostat and they didn't have it on the Bryant website. | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | well, thermostat is just 2 wires | 22:58 |
| laasonen | DocScrutinizer: sharing-service-ftp is the only sharing plugin I use. | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | or is it whole controller thing? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: fs20 is the poor man's homematic | 22:59 |
| laasonen | Nothing similar on maemo.org :( | 22:59 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, your point? as long as it works... | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | fs20 is braindead | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | homematic costs more than gold OTOH | 23:00 |
| ruskie | care to elaborate how it is braindead? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are NOT compatible | 23:00 |
| ruskie | with what? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTFM and you' | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ll see | 23:01 |
| ruskie | with eachother? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:01 |
| ruskie | you mean fs20 units with eachother? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | fs20 with homematic | 23:01 |
| ruskie | and why would I care about that? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | just because? | 23:01 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, yes, thank you, I'm not 12. :) | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, thermostat mine is 8 wires. | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - superinsulation which I'msort-of-doing makesthe hreatpump a lot less needed. | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: that's overkill | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: what are these wires for? | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | fan, heat pump, 2nd stage heat, power, common, outdoor temp, | 23:03 |
| ruskie | http://fhz4linux.info/tiki-index.php?page=HomeMatic <-- I love the description here | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | so it's for whole controller | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | not just thermostat | 23:03 |
| ruskie | HomeMatic is the overpriced, insecure, wireless home automation system using the BidCos ® home-brew-protocol. | 23:03 |
| GAN900 | Generally speaking, the device which sits on the wall and tells the AC unit what to do has been referred to as a "thermostat". | 23:04 |
| laasonen | Found it goodbye ovi.com =) | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | Both by manufacturers and HVAC specialists. | 23:04 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, basically both homematic and fs20 have the same security issues though | 23:05 |
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| GAN900 | ruskie, US or EU? | 23:05 |
| ruskie | GAN900, EU | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all, ruskie | 23:06 |
| * GAN900 has no useful opinion, then. | 23:06 | |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, obviously heatpump is more efficient, down to -28C or so | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | I /really/ like INSTEON on 110v. Although it's proprietary and expensive. | 23:06 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, but same security issues as known from FS20 will remain (BidCos ® is also not record and replay safe). | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | (than direct electric heating) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | homematic is duplex OTA, while FS20 has a unidirectional simple remote comtrol | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | Duplex is a must-have. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Economically, it beats even gas here - in theory, neglecting thegas cost. | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: BidCos isn't, but the DES used for the doorlocker should be safe | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that is - night rate power into a thermal capacitor | 23:07 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, and I would wire my door why exactly? | 23:08 |
| ruskie | I'm to paranoid for that | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | just because? | 23:08 |
| ruskie | at most I would modify a roomba with a grip to lock/unlock via ssh to it... | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you like me to configure an autoresponder? | 23:08 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, "neglecting gas cost"? | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: oops - neglecting heat pump cost | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | right | 23:09 |
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| * GAN900 just has to dial in the motion detectors so they stop picking up the cat. | 23:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 23:10 |
| ruskie | hehe | 23:11 |
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| ruskie | I'm mostly looking at this for per room heating(having a PC managing all temps and opening closing valves and running the heater), window shading(just on/off) and some other such minor things(maybe lighting as well)... | 23:12 |
| ruskie | and I know the fs20 can be controlled from a linux box | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, and how do you plan to control lighting manually? | 23:13 |
| ruskie | manually? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeek, light switches | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nooooo we want to search fresh batteries for the remote in the dark | 23:14 |
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| ruskie | I'd basically replace the plugs with the fs20 radio switches | 23:15 |
| ruskie | and no... there would still be touch switches around... | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, there's where hmematic starts being way smarter than FS20 | 23:16 |
| ruskie | hooked to mains | 23:16 |
| ruskie | how so? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTFM | 23:16 |
| ruskie | I thought you knew this... | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know small controllers that fit into installation pots in the wall, and can get controlled via hardwired switches as well as via RC | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and send back their state (and good/fail state of lamp) to the central controller | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, afaik you can't even indivisulally address FS20 | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the addr is like <t_switch><t_light><add:0..15> | 23:20 |
| ruskie | well that sounds like individual addressing | 23:20 |
| pupnik | it's amazing how different the n900 screen looks compared to my laptop when adapting color curves | 23:20 |
| ruskie | well the FS20TC6 looks nice for a switch... | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe like <room:0..15><switch:0..15> | 23:21 |
| ruskie | still more than enough | 23:21 |
| ruskie | it's not like I have a mansion | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah sure, if you want to have a "dark room", a "romantic room" and a "bright room" | 23:21 |
| GAN900 | Duplex is a thing you want. | 23:22 |
| ruskie | I think I have 15 light switches in the entire appartment | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: definitely | 23:22 |
| ruskie | atm the FS20 is the only thing I really found interesting... | 23:22 |
| ruskie | baing able to use a linux server to control it is a must though for me... | 23:23 |
| ruskie | so any system that won't let me do that is a no-go from the start | 23:23 |
| pupnik | hmm | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | homematic is network-enabled | 23:25 |
| ruskie | and the FS20 has an USB control point available | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they have all the same lookalikes as FS20, pus twice as much new stuff | 23:26 |
| ruskie | fhz 1300 or fhz 1300wlan if wanted... | 23:26 |
| ruskie | to me it looks like fs20 has a lot more options than homematic... but then it's conrad so they might be adjusting | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the controller central runs linux :-) | 23:27 |
| ruskie | root? open? | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/ (click "system" and "produkte") | 23:31 |
| ruskie | flash required... | 23:31 |
| ruskie | frankly I haven't decided on anything yet... | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=zentrale | 23:32 |
| ruskie | thanks | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=fbedienung http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=pp http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=uputz | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=150 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=156 | 23:35 |
| ruskie | yeah the links show up after the initial page | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/fileadmin/pdfs/einleitungen/HM_XmlRpc_V1_502__2_.pdf | 23:35 |
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| ruskie | haha amusing EULA... | 23:41 |
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| pupnik | find . -name \*.mp3 -exec mplayer -quiet -shuffle "{}" + that is your media player, and you will like it | 23:45 |
| GAN900 | I need to find a good home intercom/pa. | 23:47 |
| ruskie | such a big place? | 23:48 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4 Bubble Sort hungarian folk dance | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder what that'll do if passed a filename of "http://a.media.stream/\" -streamdump ~/.profile/" | 23:48 |
| ruskie | the DECT phone I have has built in interphone calling | 23:48 |
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| internetishard | how many of you have overclocked your n900s? | 23:50 |
| ruskie | so all the phones linked to the same base station have builtin intercom | 23:50 |
| pupnik | i did to see if it felt different | 23:50 |
| internetishard | pupnik: so was it way more responsive? | 23:52 |
| internetishard | Also, is the responsiveness bottleneck not just the processor? | 23:52 |
| pupnik | no it didn't do much for me | 23:52 |
| pupnik | if i were playing games that were on the edge of smooth , i'd do it | 23:53 |
| pupnik | *emulators | 23:53 |
| internetishard | I mostly want to make things come up quicker when I click. Also, opening conversations (sms) with people I've talked to a lot, it takes a while to load... Maybe it should just archive the old txt msgs somewhere and only have the window load a certain amount of history | 23:54 |
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| GAN900 | ruskie, well, I'd want to wire speakers into about 4 rooms for audible feedback. | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: overclocking kills your device | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: and for so short peaks like that it won't help at all | 23:55 |
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| ruskie | GAN900, ahhh... | 23:55 |
| internetishard | jacekowski: I figured something similar was the case. Judging by some blogs/how-tos, one might think it is trivial and harmless | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: there used to be a lot of people here asking how to fix their phones after OC | 23:57 |
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| internetishard | Were they successful? | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:58 |
| pupnik | when they handed out the prototypes, the engineer said to the assembled conference... "DONT overclock" | 23:58 |
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| internetishard | Interesting | 23:59 |
| pupnik | or more specifically "don't overclock these" | 23:59 |
| pupnik | which makes sense, as they were property of nokia | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: even running at 600MHz shortens life of cpu | 23:59 |
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