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alteregoI really don't understand all this git nonsense.00:17
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MohammadAGalterego, merlin1991 knows git best imo :)00:23
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e-yescouple year ago i used to use word `crap` along with all git-related stuff00:24
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e-yesMohammadAG, h!ii!00:25
MohammadAGhi00:26
e-yesare you still nit-kernel maintainer?00:27
e-yesbtw, when did you saw Jay-C last time?00:27
MohammadAGtechnically, yes, but I'm way too busy with CSSU and stuff00:27
MohammadAGumm, a year I think00:28
MohammadAG~seen jay-c00:28
infoboti haven't seen 'jay-c', MohammadAG00:28
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e-yeshmm, half of year i suppose.00:28
e-yesMohammadAG, i saw cssu (why not to give it the name??:)). i'm impressed00:29
e-yesi know not everything `patchable`, but u guyz rocks00:29
* e-yes и немедленно выпил00:30
MohammadAG:)00:30
e-yesany idea how to use more recent toolchains for kernel (linaro, codesourcery etc)?00:31
e-yesi mean to get deb package ;)00:31
MohammadAGlol00:32
MohammadAGmaking debs is easy00:32
MohammadAGyou probably already have most files, you just need to edit them00:33
MohammadAGyou might find this helpful http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging00:33
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e-yesMohammadAG, thanks a lot... /me reading00:38
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e-yesisland, started with `bar`, caribian?00:58
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MohammadAGe-yes, isn't barbados an island?03:27
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sidhi, i just broke my usb connector at n900 (it was plugged in)03:35
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chxsid: call Nokia. We symphatize. Sorry there's nothing mere mortals can do as far as i know03:36
sidi will open it tomorrow. but is there a second pin where i can solder a new one03:36
sidchx: its clearly not a guaranty issue; but it can e.g start without problems;03:38
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chxfrom what i saw there is no way to fix03:38
chxbut i am not the usual channel gods, they are i think asleep03:38
sidi ask for charging and uploading fw; those 4 usb pins03:38
sidthx. will ask tomorrow after i opened it again03:39
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Sazpaimon_so did anyone switch to the new tmobile unlimited plan today?04:26
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iluminator101Hi, I cannot move a 6 gig files into n900 for storage why, it say file too large, how can i change this?05:43
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smithfat32 don't support >4Gb files05:45
iluminator101n900 files system is fat32??05:46
SpeedEvilyes.05:47
SpeedEvilFor the big partition anyway05:47
cehtehmine not :P05:48
SpeedEvilWell - unless you screw with it05:49
iluminator101cehteh, how did you change it? did you install ccsu?05:49
cehtehdoes the titan kernel have linear raid level? ... then you can glue serveral files (loop devices) together :P05:50
cehtehiluminator101: cssu yes .. but thats unrelated05:50
cehtehthere are some documents how to reformat the filessystems, not as easy as you may think05:50
cehtehnokia fucked it up :P05:50
iluminator101cehteh, can you upgrade to ccsu or do i have to do a clean install05:51
cehtehwith the stock kernel iirc only ext2 ext3 are options05:51
cehtehi use ext4 and the titan kernel05:51
cehtehi can upgrade to anything .. but that doesnt mean you can :P .. needs some linux knowledge, tinkering and sacrifice of unicorns and virgins at full moon05:52
cehtehmeans: if you fuck your device up, dont blame me05:52
iluminator101cehteh, i am running debian, i think i know what i am doing05:52
cehtehwell :)05:53
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cehtehok .. so try it on your own or follow some receipe from maemo.org05:53
cehtehthere are scripts which regenerate the fstab and these are broken05:53
iluminator101cehteh, i was thinking btrfs for the files system you know05:54
cehtehyou have to fix or disable them05:54
cehtehdo not use btrfs .. its too unstable05:54
* cehteh got a kernel panic yesterday when trying it again on a external hdd :P05:54
iluminator101meego runs btrfs05:55
cehtehthere are way to much known issues to use it for anything but playing05:55
cehtehand? does that fix the issues?05:55
cehtehi mean i am not anti btrfs .. i would quite like it.. but it is not ready yet05:55
iluminator101well thing i dont like about meego is that it uses rpm's05:56
cehtehdunno if chris finished the fsck yet ...05:56
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cehtehbtrfs-progs-unstable# git remote update05:57
cehtehFetching origin05:57
cehteh.. lets see :)05:57
cehtehanyways ... btrfs is still prone to filesystem corruption on kernel crash or power loss05:58
cehtehand that doesnt mean just loosing the last written data .. that means a really dead filesystem without easy revovery05:58
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iluminator101did they ever release Harmattan06:03
cehtehthats what will become the meego os from nokia iirc06:04
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iluminator101thanks bbl06:14
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zetaPRIME...okay, I have no idea if I really want to ask this here, but...06:54
zetaPRIMEdoes maemo use X? (cue thrown tomatos etc.)06:55
keithzgYup yup.06:57
keithzgStandard stack all the way, pretty much (at least when compared to heretics like Android).06:57
zetaPRIMEso it would be relatively easy to make a compatibility layer (or not even need one) to run Maemo things on another form of ARM linux?06:58
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keithzgYeah all you'd need would be to port over the right libraries. And most of those were ported *to* Maemo in the first place ;)06:59
zetaPRIME...assuming Maemo pre-MeeGo is ARM, again I wouldn't know, I'm completely new to this06:59
keithzgYeah it's all ARM.06:59
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keithzgBut that's not even much of a sticking point, most of the user apps aren't really hooking into anything deep enough for the arch to matter so much AFAIK.06:59
zetaPRIME...would it be possible (without having to hack drivers etc.) to run Maemo on most Android phones?07:00
keithzgHells no. That's why Android's so troublesome.07:01
zetaPRIMEwhat exactly is the problem?07:01
zetaPRIMEdisplay drivers? baseband interaction?07:01
keithzgYes, yes, and more.07:01
keithzgMaking matters worse, until recently most Android-specific drivers wouldn't work with the mainline kernel, since the Google devs refused to play ball.07:02
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keithzgRecently the mainline kernel added a compatible lock system so in theory things are more compatible.07:03
zetaPRIMEwhat about just phones officially supported by CyanogenMOD? Could there be some sort of kernel compatibility layer to make X work on an Android kernel?07:03
keithzgI've heard it's possible to run X11 on Android, but I've yet to see any practical application thereof. I could be entirely wrong though.07:04
zetaPRIMEI've tried the whole chroot debian+vnc thing on my Droid, but WAAAAAAAAAY TOO SLOW07:04
keithzgheh yeah no kidding07:04
keithzgPeople have gotten Ubuntu and such to run on the Galaxy Tab, though, and I know the Tab is nearly identical internals to the rest of the Galaxy S line, but as far as I know the drivers for GSM etc are all proprietary blobs07:05
keithzgHell, to run MeeGo on the N900 it took Nokia devs working under NDAs to add compatible drivers . . .07:06
zetaPRIME...is there any quick package to emulate Maemo on a Windows machine?07:08
keithzgThere's a virtualbox image with the Maemo scratchbox SDK pre-installed.07:08
keithzgIt's an image of Ubuntu, that is to say, with the SDK for Maemo that can then run the environment or individual apps using the SDK.07:09
zetaPRIMEbut no ARM emulator to simulate an actual device?07:09
keithzgNot as far as I know, no.07:10
keithzgBut they're only $350 on Amazon.com ;)07:10
zetaPRIMEif I'm going to spend anything it's going to be on a Pandora07:10
zetaPRIMEso07:10
psycho_oreosthere's that old madde environment, laggy as hell but it can show you some of fremantle's capabilities07:11
keithzgScratchbox does simulate the environment fully.  I mean, it isn't actually ARM then technically, but it is quick and it works.07:12
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Termanagood morning08:02
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DocScrutinizermoo Termana08:15
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chxhow did you guys found that moo song ?08:19
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slonopotamushmm... for some reason my n900 doesn't work (doesn't connect and doesn't send/receive data if was already connected) in "3G" mode (though works in 2G, 2.5, 3.5)08:40
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DocScrutinizereh?09:32
Sazpaimon_eh09:32
Sazpaimon_anyone see the C6 commercial for tmobile?09:32
Sazpaimon_C7, whatever09:33
Sazpaimon_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO5UVIwQj_o09:33
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mecewhere is the planet maemo feed?10:11
mecenvrmind. found it. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml10:13
Venemogood morning10:17
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meceVenemo, o/10:20
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Venemoo/10:23
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22JccSTDtk&feature=BFa&list=SPE3D764A5AFBFB9D6&index=1 nice adds11:23
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Venemomorning DocScrutinizer :)11:34
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MohammadAGmorning11:44
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crashanddieGAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CDLBTJD4M12:02
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KhertanHello12:06
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meceI really really want a bridge building game for N900. Right fracking now.12:08
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mecePlayed X Construction on my friends android and I wanted to tear my hair out because of the stupid capacitive screen. Turns out there are very few open source bridge building games out there.12:09
MohammadAGBeen wondering about Nokia's argument on why they won't open up closed components12:09
MohammadAGI rewrote the mediaplayer, can't other companies do the same?12:10
crashanddieMohammadAG, it's live?12:13
MohammadAGno, planning to make an alpha release today12:13
MohammadAGbut I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit12:14
MohammadAGand nicolai did the same with camera-ui12:14
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MohammadAGand he made it better12:14
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KhertanMohammadAG: really better :)12:18
MohammadAGyeah, doesn't that null nokia's argument?12:18
Khertan> MohammadAG: but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit < this smell that some manager didn't like open source12:18
ruskieor some lawyer12:20
mecewhoa! Taken with N900 apparently... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sprockers/531023378812:20
MohammadAGso it's complete BS12:20
MohammadAGthe backends are open12:20
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meceMohammadAG, without a doubt.12:20
MohammadAGI like how you can change the metadata with the open source cam12:21
MohammadAG(in the source that is)12:21
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alteregohat pic is gorgeous :)12:24
alteregothat ..12:24
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mecealterego, sure is.12:25
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Venemogood morning MohammadAG :)12:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: no, the argument mostly been "we don't have (C) on several of those blobs. And we don't want anybody (users) to mess with the look and feel anyway"12:26
MohammadAGmorning Venemo12:27
KhertanDocScrutinizer but they have already mess the look and feel12:28
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chadiWhat is the password for 'user'?12:31
DocScrutinizernone12:31
DocScrutinizerroot; passwd user12:31
DocScrutinizerNB not <empty>  but none (no password will work)12:34
chadithank you :-)12:35
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Khertan--- a/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp12:46
Khertan+++ b/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp12:47
Khertan@@ -1551,7 +1551,7 @@ void QTextControlPrivate::mousePressEvent(QEvent *e, Qt::MouseButton button, con12:47
Khertan                 extendBlockwiseSelection(cursorPos);12:47
Khertan             else if (selectedWordOnDoubleClick.hasSelection())12:47
Khertan                 extendWordwiseSelection(cursorPos, pos.x());12:47
Khertan-            else if (wordSelectionEnabled)12:47
Khertan+            else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)12:47
Khertan                 setCursorPosition(cursorPos, QTextCursor::KeepAnchor);12:47
Khertan         } else {12:47
Khertanoups ... sorry12:47
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chadiis something wrong with giving a 0 duration in transitions.ini? phone shut down after killall hildon-desktop12:48
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KhertanMohammadAG: i've one error related to the selection but i think it s not the only one12:50
Khertanas i didn't have sb installed i can't compile to test12:51
MohammadAGthat's the only diff?12:51
Khertanah yes :)12:51
Khertanonly i found12:51
Khertanbut it s probably not enough12:52
Khertanqml is again culprit :)12:53
MohammadAGbuilding12:53
MohammadAGlinking12:54
chadibtw, anybody experienced alarm issues with the latest CSSU?12:55
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MohammadAGwe didn't change anything related to alarms12:55
MohammadAGin fact, we can't, it's closed source12:55
chadiI noticed that in the wiki, but I wonder why that happened :/12:56
chadiand I can't reproduce the problem anyway :-P12:57
MohammadAGKhertan, testing12:58
Khertan... tada ?12:58
MohammadAGidk, still unpacking the deb12:58
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MohammadAGnope13:00
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MohammadAGKhertan, it's a painting issue, selection works fine13:02
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KhertanMohammadAG: in fact nope ... shift selection isn't working fine :)13:03
Khertanand yes now i'm sure it s a painting issue13:04
Khertanthx13:04
MohammadAGshift works fine for me13:05
MohammadAGyou can still CTRL+C and CTRL+V13:05
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Khertan(12:05:33) MohammadAG: shift works fine for me not everytime13:07
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KhertanMohammadAG: did you know any efficient gui for reading git commit tree on windows ?13:10
FauxFauxgitk --all13:10
Khertan(ms windows)13:10
MohammadAGNope, I don't use windows13:10
FauxFauxgitk --all13:10
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KhertanMohammadAG: my patch was already in 4.7.4 :)13:20
MohammadAGKhertan, which one?13:21
Khertan(11:47:23) Khertan: -            else if (wordSelectionEnabled)13:22
Khertan(11:47:23) Khertan: +            else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)13:22
MohammadAGbut that's not related13:23
Khertantrue13:25
Venemoseems that I'm using DocScrutinizer's favourite word a lot these times13:25
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VenemoLibreOffice is totally and completely FUBAR13:26
ruskieis it?13:26
ruskieworks for me13:26
ruskiebut then I rarely use it13:26
KhertanVenemo: ?13:26
Venemoit took me half an hour to get LibreOffice Writer to let me move a picture in a document to a place where I wanted it.13:27
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Venemono matter where I dragged it, it just jumped back to its original position.13:27
Venemoand if I was able to drag it to the right place and it stayed, it forgot the change after I saved and reloaded the document.13:28
Khertandidn't have such problem with it ... but got same with msword13:28
Venemonow I'm trying to export the styles from one document to another13:28
Khertanso it s maybe a word feature implemented in latest version of LibreOffice Writer13:28
trxlol13:28
Venemoand again, it doesn't let me do that13:28
Venemolol Khertan :D13:28
KhertanMohammadAG: did you think it can be that : https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/fd8183129d0efe99e0d28f524264c59fb9155b8013:30
Khertan?13:30
ruskiepictures should not exist in documents13:30
Khertantrue13:30
* ruskie is tired I have problem with app here's a picture -> .doc|.docx erm... WTF???13:31
KhertanMohammadAG: in fact no13:31
Khertan:)13:31
Venemoruskie, wasn't my decision to make this, but this is the requirement.13:31
MohammadAGno13:32
Khertanprobably something under  QTextDocument::drawContents13:32
Khertan:)13:32
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MohammadAGand of course, #qt isn't of much help13:34
Khertanof course :)13:34
MohammadAGalready asked13:34
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Khertani imagine13:35
MohammadAGtwice, once yesterday and once today13:36
Khertan:)13:37
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MohammadAGyou could try asking, see if anyone replies13:38
MohammadAGI feel like stabbing Qt Mobility's devs13:38
trxhaha13:38
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Khertani feel that qml is trojan horse for breaking qt13:39
Khertan:)13:39
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MohammadAGQt is an excellent concept13:41
MohammadAGQt Mobility bases on that, executes that concept in quite a shitty way13:41
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MohammadAGQML isn't bad13:42
Khertanit is13:42
MohammadAGbut then again, web devs should stick to web development13:43
Khertanexactly13:43
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KhertanUpdate copyright year to 2011. ....13:52
Khertanpfff13:52
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MohammadAGyeah, that made the commit log worse13:53
MohammadAGso did changing the license from commercial to non-commercial and back to commercial13:54
MohammadAGor the other way round13:54
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KhertanMohammadAG: did you have any idea at which date i can ignore commit ?13:58
Khertanbefore 2011 it was 4.7.0 right ?13:58
MohammadAGseptember13:58
MohammadAGis the one included in PR1.313:58
Khertanah ... thanks13:58
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Khertanhttps://gitorious.org/~khertan/community-ssu/khertans-qt-x11-maemo/commit/34c297faca93e1286573b2a01127e4e7af00aff2 <<< except that which is not related14:03
Khertani'm starting to doubt if this is not only a maemo customization which brings the problem14:04
Khertanlike the completion or something else14:04
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MohammadAGhmm, does text completion work?14:09
MohammadAGcompletion highlights text fine14:11
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Khertanindeed14:16
Khertan:)14:16
Khertanand as there that works14:16
Khertanand as only that works ...14:16
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KhertanThe Qt Merge commit look like a plan of Paris's Metro line14:19
DibblahWell, that answers that question. Every part of this N900 fake "display model" case is custom engineered.14:20
SpeedEvilWow.14:23
Venemohttp://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-you-can-do-anything-you-put-your-mind-to.jpg14:25
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DibblahAnd yes, that *includes* the keyboard, the surrounding metal for the screen, etc.14:28
DibblahEven the black metal screen panel is faked.14:28
DibblahWoo hoo - The stylus is compatible.14:29
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meceKhertan, hey I seem to be suffering from some khteditor problems. The "current line" is always invisible. Is there a way to configure (disable) the highlight line feature?14:33
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pupnikwonder what kernel is oprofileable14:45
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Khertanmece: say thx to Qt 4.7.2 and his bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1872014:50
Khertanmece: this is what i m trying to fix in qt14:51
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KhertanMohammadAG: "Any input on where painting is done would be helpful, as there doesn't seem to be much activity on Maemo 5 bug reports." <<< oh really ... noone didn't care15:16
MohammadAGKhertan, they don't give two shits, a bug report that was fixed is still unconfirmed15:17
Khertan:)15:17
MohammadAGhttp://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1632315:17
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MohammadAGJaffa, any ideas?15:18
Khertanhttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/supported-platforms.html <<< maemo is in tier 2 plateforms ...15:18
* MohammadAG would troll #qt :P15:18
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MohammadAGwow15:19
MohammadAGSymbian^1 is tier 115:19
Khertanlol15:20
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Khertanfrom what i see in the commit ... there is a huge works for this shitty qml ... but except some tweaking on real qt just for qml ... there is just a few modifications on qwidgets15:21
MohammadAGdon't forget copyrights15:22
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Khertanalso15:23
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KhertanMohammadAG: did you see also that moving the cursor with arrow and moving it with click didn't have the same result ?15:24
Khertanmoving it with arrow made the entire line invisible while moving it with click made some part of the glyph arround the cursor visible15:25
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crashanddiehttp://people.su.se/~jj/junk/dragon-vomit.png15:31
nealis there a way to figure out if a device has tethered? I can listen for com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Attached, which tells me that something is using the modem.  ICD provides a positive indicator of when a GPRS connection is created locally.  What I'm missing is a positive indicator that there is a tethered connection.15:32
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Oli```Anybody know how much free root space the latest community SSU update (20.2010.36-2maemo14.1 - 22.5MB) needs? I've got 75MB free now and still can't install it15:40
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Oli```It's saying I need to use PC Suite. That usually means there's a conflict or there isn't enough space. Should be plenty of space now. Any idea how to find out if there's a packaging conflict?15:41
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Oli```Hmm apt-get upgrade appears to work. Wonder if that'll destroy the phone.15:42
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SpeedEvilMy phone exploded with a 1.8 megaton explosion when I did that.15:46
SpeedEvilFortunately, still under warranty.15:46
auenfnot 1.21 jiggawatts?15:50
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SpeedEvil!math 9+515:52
SpeedEviloops15:52
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KhertanOli```: most of time it s due to a conflicting package, take a look at details in HAM for the reason.16:05
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KhertanMohammadAG: you were True. No one care about Maemo Qt bugs on #Qt16:18
RST38hs/Maemo Qt/Qt/\16:18
KhertanMohammadAG: did you have try to build more recent version of qt ?16:18
KhertanRST38h: also16:18
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dangergrrlwill a Z-80 restart at 0x38?16:39
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WizzupI just bought an 32GB MicroSD card, any recommendations as to FS? (I'll be using it on my n900)18:45
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BCMMWizzup: what do you want to use it for?19:04
BCMMthe microsd card will be available as USB mass storage when in mass storage mode, so if you want to access it from a windows PC, take that in to account19:05
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WizzupBCMM: I usually stay away from windows. I wanted to use it both for storage and developing. I don't like working on vfat generally19:07
BCMMgood move19:07
WizzupMy preferred choice is ext4 surely. I just don't want my card to die within a week19:07
BCMMwhy would it do that?19:07
WizzupDon't know. I had the mmc card (internal) casrd fail once19:07
WizzupI don't know if I can blame that on the ext3 part though19:08
BCMMfat32 doesn't do wear-levelling either19:08
BCMMiirc, the SD card takes care of that itself19:08
Wizzupok, then I'll do ext4.19:08
Wizzupok19:08
BCMMuh19:08
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BCMMmaybe they don't have to19:08
BCMMhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MicroSD19:08
BCMMso maybe not all manufacturers do that19:08
BCMMhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FileSystem_microSD_cards#Why_not_jffs2_or_ubifs google keeps giving me openmoko stuff for this19:09
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BCMMsee if you can find out if your card does wear-levelling, i guess19:10
slonopotamusnoooo, again wear-levelling19:10
BCMMubifs if it doesn't, ext4 if it does19:10
BCMMactuall, do we have ext4 in the kernel? it's a pretty old kernel19:10
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[XeN]i want to install the cssu update "20.2010.36-2maemo14.1" but my phone tells me i shuold use the pc suite to get this upgrade. i think thats not the way it should be. any ideas to install the update anyway?19:11
BCMM[XeN]: have you got a full-ish rootfs?19:11
SpeedEvil~farting19:11
infobotI do on occasion, but only if you ask me to.19:11
slonopotamusxen: apt-get upgrade && echo "ftw!"19:12
BCMMthis channel just stopped making sense very quickly19:12
WizzupBCMM: thanks for the help19:12
BCMMi hope it wasn't my fault19:12
[XeN]8mb available19:12
WizzupYes, we have ext419:12
WizzupI already did mkfs and mount19:12
BCMMext4 or ext4dev?19:13
Wizzupboth.19:13
Wizzupmkfs.<tab>19:13
[XeN]i'll try it with apt.19:13
BCMMyou know how to reflash for when this all breaks, right?19:14
slonopotamusxen: just make a usual backup before doing that :)19:14
[XeN]sure19:14
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WizzupBCMM: Yes, if you were talking to me.19:17
BCMMWizzup: huh? XeN's the one who's trying to half-install an update :)19:17
* slonopotamus updated with 6mb free19:17
WizzupBCMM: Ah ok, didn't follow.19:18
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slonopotamus/var/lib/dpkg is 28mb. a good candidate for deletion :)19:19
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BCMMapt-get clean19:22
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BCMM(it's like rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* without the typo risk)19:25
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BCMMoh, apparently that's on opt19:26
BCMM /var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt -- when did that happen? is that normal, or did i do it myself?19:26
DocScrutinizer>>Remember that once something is posted online, you can quickly _loose_ control of it<< http://safely.yahoo.com/faq ohmy!19:27
WizzupBCMM: I suppose it's not possible to ``export'' the ext4 fs in the mass storage mode though?19:27
Wizzup(I could mount that on my gentoo laptop)19:27
BCMMi don't know19:27
BCMMthe forum seems to imply that maemo, by default, won't export unless it's fat3219:28
BCMMbut i don't know anything about that really19:28
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BCMMimho, the world needs a standardised removable-media filesystem19:28
BCMM(a read-write conterpart to ISO-9660)19:29
SpeedEviludf19:29
slonopotamusudf19:29
slonopotamusSpeedEvil: meh, you were faster19:29
BCMMnot exactly suitable for all media, is it?19:29
SpeedEvilWhat I'd really like would be for SD cards to support a strandard 'raw' interface to the flash.19:30
BCMMyeah, using fat32 then wear-levelling it in hardware is annoying19:30
slonopotamusis there any valid reason why mp-fremantle-community-pr depends on qt?19:30
BCMMthere are an awful lot of stupidities involving working around limitations in windows, in hardware, about now19:31
BCMMbut yeah, something standard like UDF, but for flash disks and USB hard drives and so on19:31
BCMMfeaturing a huge (or preferably configurable) file size limit, and no permissions19:32
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BCMMactually, is there a good reason not to use UDF on non-optical media?19:34
slonopotamusis it safe to purge swi-prolog from maemo5?19:35
SpeedEvilBCMM: wierd block optimisations.19:35
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slonopotamuswtf is "cherry" app?19:48
edheldilHi all, is there a theme gallery for n900? Randomly trying theme packages is extremely annoying, especially since most of the themes seem to be a variation on black buttons on black background19:50
BCMMslonopotamus: evil.19:50
BCMMslonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription19:51
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ApexBeathelp help!!!20:54
ApexBeatanyone?20:55
ApexBeatknock knock20:55
ApexBeathelp!20:55
SpeedEvil>20:55
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SpeedEvil?20:55
ApexBeathey SpeedEvil20:56
ApexBeatdude i was trying to install gingerbread on my n90020:56
ApexBeateverything went really wrong...20:56
SpeedEvilOops.20:56
SpeedEvilHow wrong?20:57
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ApexBeati used that delete command on mydocs20:57
SpeedEvilNo ideawhat youmean20:58
ApexBeatwait20:59
ApexBeati used the rm -rf * command without mounting the memory card which had nitdroid 0.0.9 installed...21:00
ApexBeatso i wiped my MyDocs21:00
ApexBeatwhat i want to ask is whether i do a simple reflash...or do i have to reflash my emmc as well?21:00
SpeedEvilI think a simple reflash may work.21:01
ApexBeatcuz all the icons were gone...none of the applications were working....21:01
ApexBeatbut i was on the /and folder...why the hell did my MyDocs get deleted:(21:03
ApexBeatstupid guides...:(21:03
ApexBeatokay dude am gonna reflash..am gonna let u know...dont budge:)21:04
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trxdude :)21:05
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ApexBeatyeah?21:05
ApexBeatno harm in a second opinion...21:05
ApexBeatdo i do a simple reflash or do i reflash my emmc as well....21:06
ApexBeat?21:06
trxno, i just found you calling him dude funny ;)21:06
trxtry a simple reflash..21:06
ApexBeatk...21:07
ApexBeat:)21:07
ApexBeatthanks21:07
ApexBeatbrb in 1021:07
ApexBeat:)21:07
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ApexBeatthe driver isnt installing in windows 7?21:15
ApexBeatnokia usb rom driver?21:15
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ApexBeaterr...?21:16
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ApexBeathello?21:18
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pupnikhi ApexBeat21:42
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aptOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)22:39
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DocScrutinizer~ping22:42
apt~pong22:42
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RST38hAnything new and exciting tonight? Famine? Diseases? Earthquakes? PR1.4?22:48
MohammadAGlet the rants begin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=988477#post988477 !22:48
RST38haha, thanks22:48
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MohammadAGI'm actually expecting a lot of bugs22:50
MohammadAGprobably small one lines fixes, but meh22:51
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e-yesbtw, how to get hw keyboard layout type? (EN, RU, FI... etc)23:52
e-yesi meant "locale" for hw kbd23:52
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* RST38h sighs23:55
RST38hyou cannot23:55
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RST38hSet it to RU, then modify the layout files.23:55
RST38hAll the time thanking whatever Maemo Devices "UX designer" who came up with this bright idea23:56
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e-yeshm, maemo gets this information from some "system" partition on flash somehow?23:57
ShadowJKone of you talk about "get" and the other says "set"23:58
ShadowJKhuh23:58
e-yesi mean where it's stored. btw, where I can find layout files?23:58
e-yesShadowJK, exactly:)23:59
* ShadowJK has "Suomi, Svenska" selected in setup-text_input-hwkeyb layout23:59

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