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alterego	I really don't understand all this git nonsense.	00:17
* alterego is lost		00:17
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MohammadAG	alterego, merlin1991 knows git best imo :)	00:23
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e-yes	couple year ago i used to use word `crap` along with all git-related stuff	00:24
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e-yes	MohammadAG, h!ii!	00:25
MohammadAG	hi	00:26
e-yes	are you still nit-kernel maintainer?	00:27
e-yes	btw, when did you saw Jay-C last time?	00:27
MohammadAG	technically, yes, but I'm way too busy with CSSU and stuff	00:27
MohammadAG	umm, a year I think	00:28
MohammadAG	~seen jay-c	00:28
infobot	i haven't seen 'jay-c', MohammadAG	00:28
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e-yes	hmm, half of year i suppose.	00:28
e-yes	MohammadAG, i saw cssu (why not to give it the name??:)). i'm impressed	00:29
e-yes	i know not everything `patchable`, but u guyz rocks	00:29
* e-yes и немедленно выпил		00:30
MohammadAG	:)	00:30
e-yes	any idea how to use more recent toolchains for kernel (linaro, codesourcery etc)?	00:31
e-yes	i mean to get deb package ;)	00:31
MohammadAG	lol	00:32
MohammadAG	making debs is easy	00:32
MohammadAG	you probably already have most files, you just need to edit them	00:33
MohammadAG	you might find this helpful http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging	00:33
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e-yes	MohammadAG, thanks a lot... /me reading	00:38
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e-yes	island, started with `bar`, caribian?	00:58
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MohammadAG	e-yes, isn't barbados an island?	03:27
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sid	hi, i just broke my usb connector at n900 (it was plugged in)	03:35
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chx	sid: call Nokia. We symphatize. Sorry there's nothing mere mortals can do as far as i know	03:36
sid	i will open it tomorrow. but is there a second pin where i can solder a new one	03:36
sid	chx: its clearly not a guaranty issue; but it can e.g start without problems;	03:38
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chx	from what i saw there is no way to fix	03:38
chx	but i am not the usual channel gods, they are i think asleep	03:38
sid	i ask for charging and uploading fw; those 4 usb pins	03:38
sid	thx. will ask tomorrow after i opened it again	03:39
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Sazpaimon_	so did anyone switch to the new tmobile unlimited plan today?	04:26
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iluminator101	Hi, I cannot move a 6 gig files into n900 for storage why, it say file too large, how can i change this?	05:43
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smith	fat32 don't support >4Gb files	05:45
iluminator101	n900 files system is fat32??	05:46
SpeedEvil	yes.	05:47
SpeedEvil	For the big partition anyway	05:47
cehteh	mine not :P	05:48
SpeedEvil	Well - unless you screw with it	05:49
iluminator101	cehteh, how did you change it? did you install ccsu?	05:49
cehteh	does the titan kernel have linear raid level? ... then you can glue serveral files (loop devices) together :P	05:50
cehteh	iluminator101: cssu yes .. but thats unrelated	05:50
cehteh	there are some documents how to reformat the filessystems, not as easy as you may think	05:50
cehteh	nokia fucked it up :P	05:50
iluminator101	cehteh, can you upgrade to ccsu or do i have to do a clean install	05:51
cehteh	with the stock kernel iirc only ext2 ext3 are options	05:51
cehteh	i use ext4 and the titan kernel	05:51
cehteh	i can upgrade to anything .. but that doesnt mean you can :P .. needs some linux knowledge, tinkering and sacrifice of unicorns and virgins at full moon	05:52
cehteh	means: if you fuck your device up, dont blame me	05:52
iluminator101	cehteh, i am running debian, i think i know what i am doing	05:52
cehteh	well :)	05:53
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cehteh	ok .. so try it on your own or follow some receipe from maemo.org	05:53
cehteh	there are scripts which regenerate the fstab and these are broken	05:53
iluminator101	cehteh, i was thinking btrfs for the files system you know	05:54
cehteh	you have to fix or disable them	05:54
cehteh	do not use btrfs .. its too unstable	05:54
* cehteh got a kernel panic yesterday when trying it again on a external hdd :P		05:54
iluminator101	meego runs btrfs	05:55
cehteh	there are way to much known issues to use it for anything but playing	05:55
cehteh	and? does that fix the issues?	05:55
cehteh	i mean i am not anti btrfs .. i would quite like it.. but it is not ready yet	05:55
iluminator101	well thing i dont like about meego is that it uses rpm's	05:56
cehteh	dunno if chris finished the fsck yet ...	05:56
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cehteh	btrfs-progs-unstable# git remote update	05:57
cehteh	Fetching origin	05:57
cehteh	.. lets see :)	05:57
cehteh	anyways ... btrfs is still prone to filesystem corruption on kernel crash or power loss	05:58
cehteh	and that doesnt mean just loosing the last written data .. that means a really dead filesystem without easy revovery	05:58
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iluminator101	did they ever release Harmattan	06:03
cehteh	thats what will become the meego os from nokia iirc	06:04
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iluminator101	thanks bbl	06:14
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zetaPRIME	...okay, I have no idea if I really want to ask this here, but...	06:54
zetaPRIME	does maemo use X? (cue thrown tomatos etc.)	06:55
keithzg	Yup yup.	06:57
keithzg	Standard stack all the way, pretty much (at least when compared to heretics like Android).	06:57
zetaPRIME	so it would be relatively easy to make a compatibility layer (or not even need one) to run Maemo things on another form of ARM linux?	06:58
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keithzg	Yeah all you'd need would be to port over the right libraries. And most of those were ported to Maemo in the first place ;)	06:59
zetaPRIME	...assuming Maemo pre-MeeGo is ARM, again I wouldn't know, I'm completely new to this	06:59
keithzg	Yeah it's all ARM.	06:59
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keithzg	But that's not even much of a sticking point, most of the user apps aren't really hooking into anything deep enough for the arch to matter so much AFAIK.	06:59
zetaPRIME	...would it be possible (without having to hack drivers etc.) to run Maemo on most Android phones?	07:00
keithzg	Hells no. That's why Android's so troublesome.	07:01
zetaPRIME	what exactly is the problem?	07:01
zetaPRIME	display drivers? baseband interaction?	07:01
keithzg	Yes, yes, and more.	07:01
keithzg	Making matters worse, until recently most Android-specific drivers wouldn't work with the mainline kernel, since the Google devs refused to play ball.	07:02
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keithzg	Recently the mainline kernel added a compatible lock system so in theory things are more compatible.	07:03
zetaPRIME	what about just phones officially supported by CyanogenMOD? Could there be some sort of kernel compatibility layer to make X work on an Android kernel?	07:03
keithzg	I've heard it's possible to run X11 on Android, but I've yet to see any practical application thereof. I could be entirely wrong though.	07:04
zetaPRIME	I've tried the whole chroot debian+vnc thing on my Droid, but WAAAAAAAAAY TOO SLOW	07:04
keithzg	heh yeah no kidding	07:04
keithzg	People have gotten Ubuntu and such to run on the Galaxy Tab, though, and I know the Tab is nearly identical internals to the rest of the Galaxy S line, but as far as I know the drivers for GSM etc are all proprietary blobs	07:05
keithzg	Hell, to run MeeGo on the N900 it took Nokia devs working under NDAs to add compatible drivers . . .	07:06
zetaPRIME	...is there any quick package to emulate Maemo on a Windows machine?	07:08
keithzg	There's a virtualbox image with the Maemo scratchbox SDK pre-installed.	07:08
keithzg	It's an image of Ubuntu, that is to say, with the SDK for Maemo that can then run the environment or individual apps using the SDK.	07:09
zetaPRIME	but no ARM emulator to simulate an actual device?	07:09
keithzg	Not as far as I know, no.	07:10
keithzg	But they're only $350 on Amazon.com ;)	07:10
zetaPRIME	if I'm going to spend anything it's going to be on a Pandora	07:10
zetaPRIME	so	07:10
psycho_oreos	there's that old madde environment, laggy as hell but it can show you some of fremantle's capabilities	07:11
keithzg	Scratchbox does simulate the environment fully. I mean, it isn't actually ARM then technically, but it is quick and it works.	07:12
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Termana	good morning	08:02
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DocScrutinizer	moo Termana	08:15
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chx	how did you guys found that moo song ?	08:19
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slonopotamus	hmm... for some reason my n900 doesn't work (doesn't connect and doesn't send/receive data if was already connected) in "3G" mode (though works in 2G, 2.5, 3.5)	08:40
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DocScrutinizer	eh?	09:32
Sazpaimon_	eh	09:32
Sazpaimon_	anyone see the C6 commercial for tmobile?	09:32
Sazpaimon_	C7, whatever	09:33
Sazpaimon_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO5UVIwQj_o	09:33
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mece	where is the planet maemo feed?	10:11
mece	nvrmind. found it. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml	10:13
Venemo	good morning	10:17
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mece	Venemo, o/	10:20
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Venemo	o/	10:23
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DocScrutinizer	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22JccSTDtk&feature=BFa&list=SPE3D764A5AFBFB9D6&index=1 nice adds	11:23
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Venemo	morning DocScrutinizer :)	11:34
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MohammadAG	morning	11:44
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crashanddie	GAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CDLBTJD4M	12:02
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Khertan	Hello	12:06
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mece	I really really want a bridge building game for N900. Right fracking now.	12:08
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mece	Played X Construction on my friends android and I wanted to tear my hair out because of the stupid capacitive screen. Turns out there are very few open source bridge building games out there.	12:09
MohammadAG	Been wondering about Nokia's argument on why they won't open up closed components	12:09
MohammadAG	I rewrote the mediaplayer, can't other companies do the same?	12:10
crashanddie	MohammadAG, it's live?	12:13
MohammadAG	no, planning to make an alpha release today	12:13
MohammadAG	but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit	12:14
MohammadAG	and nicolai did the same with camera-ui	12:14
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MohammadAG	and he made it better	12:14
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Khertan	MohammadAG: really better :)	12:18
MohammadAG	yeah, doesn't that null nokia's argument?	12:18
Khertan	> MohammadAG: but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit < this smell that some manager didn't like open source	12:18
ruskie	or some lawyer	12:20
mece	whoa! Taken with N900 apparently... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sprockers/5310233788	12:20
MohammadAG	so it's complete BS	12:20
MohammadAG	the backends are open	12:20
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mece	MohammadAG, without a doubt.	12:20
MohammadAG	I like how you can change the metadata with the open source cam	12:21
MohammadAG	(in the source that is)	12:21
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alterego	hat pic is gorgeous :)	12:24
alterego	that ..	12:24
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mece	alterego, sure is.	12:25
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Venemo	good morning MohammadAG :)	12:26
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: no, the argument mostly been "we don't have (C) on several of those blobs. And we don't want anybody (users) to mess with the look and feel anyway"	12:26
MohammadAG	morning Venemo	12:27
Khertan	DocScrutinizer but they have already mess the look and feel	12:28
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chadi	What is the password for 'user'?	12:31
DocScrutinizer	none	12:31
DocScrutinizer	root; passwd user	12:31
DocScrutinizer	NB not <empty> but none (no password will work)	12:34
chadi	thank you :-)	12:35
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Khertan	--- a/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp	12:46
Khertan	+++ b/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp	12:47
Khertan	@@ -1551,7 +1551,7 @@ void QTextControlPrivate::mousePressEvent(QEvent *e, Qt::MouseButton button, con	12:47
Khertan	extendBlockwiseSelection(cursorPos);	12:47
Khertan	else if (selectedWordOnDoubleClick.hasSelection())	12:47
Khertan	extendWordwiseSelection(cursorPos, pos.x());	12:47
Khertan	- else if (wordSelectionEnabled)	12:47
Khertan	+ else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)	12:47
Khertan	setCursorPosition(cursorPos, QTextCursor::KeepAnchor);	12:47
Khertan	} else {	12:47
Khertan	oups ... sorry	12:47
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chadi	is something wrong with giving a 0 duration in transitions.ini? phone shut down after killall hildon-desktop	12:48
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Khertan	MohammadAG: i've one error related to the selection but i think it s not the only one	12:50
Khertan	as i didn't have sb installed i can't compile to test	12:51
MohammadAG	that's the only diff?	12:51
Khertan	ah yes :)	12:51
Khertan	only i found	12:51
Khertan	but it s probably not enough	12:52
Khertan	qml is again culprit :)	12:53
MohammadAG	building	12:53
MohammadAG	linking	12:54
chadi	btw, anybody experienced alarm issues with the latest CSSU?	12:55
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MohammadAG	we didn't change anything related to alarms	12:55
MohammadAG	in fact, we can't, it's closed source	12:55
chadi	I noticed that in the wiki, but I wonder why that happened :/	12:56
chadi	and I can't reproduce the problem anyway :-P	12:57
MohammadAG	Khertan, testing	12:58
Khertan	... tada ?	12:58
MohammadAG	idk, still unpacking the deb	12:58
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MohammadAG	nope	13:00
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MohammadAG	Khertan, it's a painting issue, selection works fine	13:02
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Khertan	MohammadAG: in fact nope ... shift selection isn't working fine :)	13:03
Khertan	and yes now i'm sure it s a painting issue	13:04
Khertan	thx	13:04
MohammadAG	shift works fine for me	13:05
MohammadAG	you can still CTRL+C and CTRL+V	13:05
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Khertan	(12:05:33) MohammadAG: shift works fine for me not everytime	13:07
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Khertan	MohammadAG: did you know any efficient gui for reading git commit tree on windows ?	13:10
FauxFaux	gitk --all	13:10
Khertan	(ms windows)	13:10
MohammadAG	Nope, I don't use windows	13:10
FauxFaux	gitk --all	13:10
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Khertan	MohammadAG: my patch was already in 4.7.4 :)	13:20
MohammadAG	Khertan, which one?	13:21
Khertan	(11:47:23) Khertan: - else if (wordSelectionEnabled)	13:22
Khertan	(11:47:23) Khertan: + else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)	13:22
MohammadAG	but that's not related	13:23
Khertan	true	13:25
Venemo	seems that I'm using DocScrutinizer's favourite word a lot these times	13:25
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Venemo	LibreOffice is totally and completely FUBAR	13:26
ruskie	is it?	13:26
ruskie	works for me	13:26
ruskie	but then I rarely use it	13:26
Khertan	Venemo: ?	13:26
Venemo	it took me half an hour to get LibreOffice Writer to let me move a picture in a document to a place where I wanted it.	13:27
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Venemo	no matter where I dragged it, it just jumped back to its original position.	13:27
Venemo	and if I was able to drag it to the right place and it stayed, it forgot the change after I saved and reloaded the document.	13:28
Khertan	didn't have such problem with it ... but got same with msword	13:28
Venemo	now I'm trying to export the styles from one document to another	13:28
Khertan	so it s maybe a word feature implemented in latest version of LibreOffice Writer	13:28
trx	lol	13:28
Venemo	and again, it doesn't let me do that	13:28
Venemo	lol Khertan :D	13:28
Khertan	MohammadAG: did you think it can be that : https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/fd8183129d0efe99e0d28f524264c59fb9155b80	13:30
Khertan	?	13:30
ruskie	pictures should not exist in documents	13:30
Khertan	true	13:30
* ruskie is tired I have problem with app here's a picture -> .doc\|.docx erm... WTF???		13:31
Khertan	MohammadAG: in fact no	13:31
Khertan	:)	13:31
Venemo	ruskie, wasn't my decision to make this, but this is the requirement.	13:31
MohammadAG	no	13:32
Khertan	probably something under QTextDocument::drawContents	13:32
Khertan	:)	13:32
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MohammadAG	and of course, #qt isn't of much help	13:34
Khertan	of course :)	13:34
MohammadAG	already asked	13:34
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Khertan	i imagine	13:35
MohammadAG	twice, once yesterday and once today	13:36
Khertan	:)	13:37
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MohammadAG	you could try asking, see if anyone replies	13:38
MohammadAG	I feel like stabbing Qt Mobility's devs	13:38
trx	haha	13:38
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Khertan	i feel that qml is trojan horse for breaking qt	13:39
Khertan	:)	13:39
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MohammadAG	Qt is an excellent concept	13:41
MohammadAG	Qt Mobility bases on that, executes that concept in quite a shitty way	13:41
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MohammadAG	QML isn't bad	13:42
Khertan	it is	13:42
MohammadAG	but then again, web devs should stick to web development	13:43
Khertan	exactly	13:43
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Khertan	Update copyright year to 2011. ....	13:52
Khertan	pfff	13:52
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MohammadAG	yeah, that made the commit log worse	13:53
MohammadAG	so did changing the license from commercial to non-commercial and back to commercial	13:54
MohammadAG	or the other way round	13:54
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Khertan	MohammadAG: did you have any idea at which date i can ignore commit ?	13:58
Khertan	before 2011 it was 4.7.0 right ?	13:58
MohammadAG	september	13:58
MohammadAG	is the one included in PR1.3	13:58
Khertan	ah ... thanks	13:58
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Khertan	https://gitorious.org/~khertan/community-ssu/khertans-qt-x11-maemo/commit/34c297faca93e1286573b2a01127e4e7af00aff2 <<< except that which is not related	14:03
Khertan	i'm starting to doubt if this is not only a maemo customization which brings the problem	14:04
Khertan	like the completion or something else	14:04
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MohammadAG	hmm, does text completion work?	14:09
MohammadAG	completion highlights text fine	14:11
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Khertan	indeed	14:16
Khertan	:)	14:16
Khertan	and as there that works	14:16
Khertan	and as only that works ...	14:16
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Khertan	The Qt Merge commit look like a plan of Paris's Metro line	14:19
Dibblah	Well, that answers that question. Every part of this N900 fake "display model" case is custom engineered.	14:20
SpeedEvil	Wow.	14:23
Venemo	http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-you-can-do-anything-you-put-your-mind-to.jpg	14:25
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Dibblah	And yes, that includes the keyboard, the surrounding metal for the screen, etc.	14:28
Dibblah	Even the black metal screen panel is faked.	14:28
Dibblah	Woo hoo - The stylus is compatible.	14:29
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mece	Khertan, hey I seem to be suffering from some khteditor problems. The "current line" is always invisible. Is there a way to configure (disable) the highlight line feature?	14:33
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pupnik	wonder what kernel is oprofileable	14:45
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Khertan	mece: say thx to Qt 4.7.2 and his bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720	14:50
Khertan	mece: this is what i m trying to fix in qt	14:51
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Khertan	MohammadAG: "Any input on where painting is done would be helpful, as there doesn't seem to be much activity on Maemo 5 bug reports." <<< oh really ... noone didn't care	15:16
MohammadAG	Khertan, they don't give two shits, a bug report that was fixed is still unconfirmed	15:17
Khertan	:)	15:17
MohammadAG	http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323	15:17
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MohammadAG	Jaffa, any ideas?	15:18
Khertan	http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/supported-platforms.html <<< maemo is in tier 2 plateforms ...	15:18
* MohammadAG would troll #qt :P		15:18
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MohammadAG	wow	15:19
MohammadAG	Symbian^1 is tier 1	15:19
Khertan	lol	15:20
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Khertan	from what i see in the commit ... there is a huge works for this shitty qml ... but except some tweaking on real qt just for qml ... there is just a few modifications on qwidgets	15:21
MohammadAG	don't forget copyrights	15:22
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Khertan	also	15:23
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Khertan	MohammadAG: did you see also that moving the cursor with arrow and moving it with click didn't have the same result ?	15:24
Khertan	moving it with arrow made the entire line invisible while moving it with click made some part of the glyph arround the cursor visible	15:25
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crashanddie	http://people.su.se/~jj/junk/dragon-vomit.png	15:31
neal	is there a way to figure out if a device has tethered? I can listen for com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Attached, which tells me that something is using the modem. ICD provides a positive indicator of when a GPRS connection is created locally. What I'm missing is a positive indicator that there is a tethered connection.	15:32
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Oli```	Anybody know how much free root space the latest community SSU update (20.2010.36-2maemo14.1 - 22.5MB) needs? I've got 75MB free now and still can't install it	15:40
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Oli```	It's saying I need to use PC Suite. That usually means there's a conflict or there isn't enough space. Should be plenty of space now. Any idea how to find out if there's a packaging conflict?	15:41
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Oli```	Hmm apt-get upgrade appears to work. Wonder if that'll destroy the phone.	15:42
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SpeedEvil	My phone exploded with a 1.8 megaton explosion when I did that.	15:46
SpeedEvil	Fortunately, still under warranty.	15:46
auenf	not 1.21 jiggawatts?	15:50
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SpeedEvil	!math 9+5	15:52
SpeedEvil	oops	15:52
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Khertan	Oli```: most of time it s due to a conflicting package, take a look at details in HAM for the reason.	16:05
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Khertan	MohammadAG: you were True. No one care about Maemo Qt bugs on #Qt	16:18
RST38h	s/Maemo Qt/Qt/\	16:18
Khertan	MohammadAG: did you have try to build more recent version of qt ?	16:18
Khertan	RST38h: also	16:18
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dangergrrl	will a Z-80 restart at 0x38?	16:39
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Wizzup	I just bought an 32GB MicroSD card, any recommendations as to FS? (I'll be using it on my n900)	18:45
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BCMM	Wizzup: what do you want to use it for?	19:04
BCMM	the microsd card will be available as USB mass storage when in mass storage mode, so if you want to access it from a windows PC, take that in to account	19:05
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Wizzup	BCMM: I usually stay away from windows. I wanted to use it both for storage and developing. I don't like working on vfat generally	19:07
BCMM	good move	19:07
Wizzup	My preferred choice is ext4 surely. I just don't want my card to die within a week	19:07
BCMM	why would it do that?	19:07
Wizzup	Don't know. I had the mmc card (internal) casrd fail once	19:07
Wizzup	I don't know if I can blame that on the ext3 part though	19:08
BCMM	fat32 doesn't do wear-levelling either	19:08
BCMM	iirc, the SD card takes care of that itself	19:08
Wizzup	ok, then I'll do ext4.	19:08
Wizzup	ok	19:08
BCMM	uh	19:08
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BCMM	maybe they don't have to	19:08
BCMM	http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MicroSD	19:08
BCMM	so maybe not all manufacturers do that	19:08
BCMM	http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FileSystem_microSD_cards#Why_not_jffs2_or_ubifs google keeps giving me openmoko stuff for this	19:09
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BCMM	see if you can find out if your card does wear-levelling, i guess	19:10
slonopotamus	noooo, again wear-levelling	19:10
BCMM	ubifs if it doesn't, ext4 if it does	19:10
BCMM	actuall, do we have ext4 in the kernel? it's a pretty old kernel	19:10
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[XeN]	i want to install the cssu update "20.2010.36-2maemo14.1" but my phone tells me i shuold use the pc suite to get this upgrade. i think thats not the way it should be. any ideas to install the update anyway?	19:11
BCMM	[XeN]: have you got a full-ish rootfs?	19:11
SpeedEvil	~farting	19:11
infobot	I do on occasion, but only if you ask me to.	19:11
slonopotamus	xen: apt-get upgrade && echo "ftw!"	19:12
BCMM	this channel just stopped making sense very quickly	19:12
Wizzup	BCMM: thanks for the help	19:12
BCMM	i hope it wasn't my fault	19:12
[XeN]	8mb available	19:12
Wizzup	Yes, we have ext4	19:12
Wizzup	I already did mkfs and mount	19:12
BCMM	ext4 or ext4dev?	19:13
Wizzup	both.	19:13
Wizzup	mkfs.<tab>	19:13
[XeN]	i'll try it with apt.	19:13
BCMM	you know how to reflash for when this all breaks, right?	19:14
slonopotamus	xen: just make a usual backup before doing that :)	19:14
[XeN]	sure	19:14
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Wizzup	BCMM: Yes, if you were talking to me.	19:17
BCMM	Wizzup: huh? XeN's the one who's trying to half-install an update :)	19:17
* slonopotamus updated with 6mb free		19:17
Wizzup	BCMM: Ah ok, didn't follow.	19:18
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slonopotamus	/var/lib/dpkg is 28mb. a good candidate for deletion :)	19:19
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BCMM	apt-get clean	19:22
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BCMM	(it's like rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* without the typo risk)	19:25
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BCMM	oh, apparently that's on opt	19:26
BCMM	/var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt -- when did that happen? is that normal, or did i do it myself?	19:26
DocScrutinizer	>>Remember that once something is posted online, you can quickly _loose_ control of it<< http://safely.yahoo.com/faq ohmy!	19:27
Wizzup	BCMM: I suppose it's not possible to ``export'' the ext4 fs in the mass storage mode though?	19:27
Wizzup	(I could mount that on my gentoo laptop)	19:27
BCMM	i don't know	19:27
BCMM	the forum seems to imply that maemo, by default, won't export unless it's fat32	19:28
BCMM	but i don't know anything about that really	19:28
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BCMM	imho, the world needs a standardised removable-media filesystem	19:28
BCMM	(a read-write conterpart to ISO-9660)	19:29
SpeedEvil	udf	19:29
slonopotamus	udf	19:29
slonopotamus	SpeedEvil: meh, you were faster	19:29
BCMM	not exactly suitable for all media, is it?	19:29
SpeedEvil	What I'd really like would be for SD cards to support a strandard 'raw' interface to the flash.	19:30
BCMM	yeah, using fat32 then wear-levelling it in hardware is annoying	19:30
slonopotamus	is there any valid reason why mp-fremantle-community-pr depends on qt?	19:30
BCMM	there are an awful lot of stupidities involving working around limitations in windows, in hardware, about now	19:31
BCMM	but yeah, something standard like UDF, but for flash disks and USB hard drives and so on	19:31
BCMM	featuring a huge (or preferably configurable) file size limit, and no permissions	19:32
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BCMM	actually, is there a good reason not to use UDF on non-optical media?	19:34
slonopotamus	is it safe to purge swi-prolog from maemo5?	19:35
SpeedEvil	BCMM: wierd block optimisations.	19:35
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slonopotamus	wtf is "cherry" app?	19:48
edheldil	Hi all, is there a theme gallery for n900? Randomly trying theme packages is extremely annoying, especially since most of the themes seem to be a variation on black buttons on black background	19:50
BCMM	slonopotamus: evil.	19:50
BCMM	slonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription	19:51
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ApexBeat	help help!!!	20:54
ApexBeat	anyone?	20:55
ApexBeat	knock knock	20:55
ApexBeat	help!	20:55
SpeedEvil	>	20:55
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SpeedEvil	?	20:55
ApexBeat	hey SpeedEvil	20:56
ApexBeat	dude i was trying to install gingerbread on my n900	20:56
ApexBeat	everything went really wrong...	20:56
SpeedEvil	Oops.	20:56
SpeedEvil	How wrong?	20:57
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ApexBeat	i used that delete command on mydocs	20:57
SpeedEvil	No ideawhat youmean	20:58
ApexBeat	wait	20:59
ApexBeat	i used the rm -rf * command without mounting the memory card which had nitdroid 0.0.9 installed...	21:00
ApexBeat	so i wiped my MyDocs	21:00
ApexBeat	what i want to ask is whether i do a simple reflash...or do i have to reflash my emmc as well?	21:00
SpeedEvil	I think a simple reflash may work.	21:01
ApexBeat	cuz all the icons were gone...none of the applications were working....	21:01
ApexBeat	but i was on the /and folder...why the hell did my MyDocs get deleted:(	21:03
ApexBeat	stupid guides...:(	21:03
ApexBeat	okay dude am gonna reflash..am gonna let u know...dont budge:)	21:04
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trx	dude :)	21:05
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ApexBeat	yeah?	21:05
ApexBeat	no harm in a second opinion...	21:05
ApexBeat	do i do a simple reflash or do i reflash my emmc as well....	21:06
ApexBeat	?	21:06
trx	no, i just found you calling him dude funny ;)	21:06
trx	try a simple reflash..	21:06
ApexBeat	k...	21:07
ApexBeat	:)	21:07
ApexBeat	thanks	21:07
ApexBeat	brb in 10	21:07
ApexBeat	:)	21:07
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ApexBeat	the driver isnt installing in windows 7?	21:15
ApexBeat	nokia usb rom driver?	21:15
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ApexBeat	err...?	21:16
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ApexBeat	hello?	21:18
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pupnik	hi ApexBeat	21:42
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apt	Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)	22:39
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DocScrutinizer	~ping	22:42
apt	~pong	22:42
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* RST38h yawns widely		22:47
RST38h	Anything new and exciting tonight? Famine? Diseases? Earthquakes? PR1.4?	22:48
MohammadAG	let the rants begin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=988477#post988477 !	22:48
RST38h	aha, thanks	22:48
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MohammadAG	I'm actually expecting a lot of bugs	22:50
MohammadAG	probably small one lines fixes, but meh	22:51
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e-yes	btw, how to get hw keyboard layout type? (EN, RU, FI... etc)	23:52
e-yes	i meant "locale" for hw kbd	23:52
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* RST38h sighs		23:55
RST38h	you cannot	23:55
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RST38h	Set it to RU, then modify the layout files.	23:55
RST38h	All the time thanking whatever Maemo Devices "UX designer" who came up with this bright idea	23:56
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e-yes	hm, maemo gets this information from some "system" partition on flash somehow?	23:57
ShadowJK	one of you talk about "get" and the other says "set"	23:58
ShadowJK	huh	23:58
e-yes	i mean where it's stored. btw, where I can find layout files?	23:58
e-yes	ShadowJK, exactly:)	23:59
* ShadowJK has "Suomi, Svenska" selected in setup-text_input-hwkeyb layout		23:59

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