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| Corsac | MohammadAG: hmhm, is there already a package for your media player? | 00:16 |
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| MohammadAG | no, not on the interwebz at least | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'll make an alpha/pre-alpha release tomorrow | 00:16 |
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| technomike | Hey guys, I am in trouble. Have not used my N900 for a while now due to the USB port coming out of it. Now that I have a desktop charger for it, I want to get all the data off it then send it off to Nokia for warranty repair. Problem is, I haven't used it in a while and I have forgotten the LOCK code... | 00:17 |
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| alterego | unlucky :P | 00:18 |
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| technomike | is there really no way of getting into it now? or just accessing the memory at least? | 00:19 |
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| alterego | Not without a USB port no | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | unless you already have u-boot/backupmenu/some preinit script | 00:20 |
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| technomike | :'( oh no | 00:21 |
| alterego | I'd just keep guessing :P | 00:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I like how when you do that it disables all push buttons | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | like it locks you out, but they're enabled in 3s | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually it cycles thru 3 timeouts, see mce.ini | 00:47 |
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| trx | where can i depromote a package? | 01:03 |
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| trx | also, is there a way to replace a package in extras-devel? | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think neither is possible | 01:14 |
| trx | well that sucks :/ | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | depromote? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | replace? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | you can upload a package to replace another one | 01:19 |
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| trx | oh, ok thats cool | 01:20 |
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| trx | about depromoting, i have accidentaly (?!) promoted a package to testing | 01:21 |
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| trx | which i didn't want to do :) | 01:21 |
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| MohammadAG | thumb it down | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://fatpita.net/?i=10017 angry bird is angry | 01:25 |
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| trx | MohammadAG thanks | 01:26 |
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| MohammadAG | yw :) | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | trx, alternatively, ask X-Fade to remove it | 01:27 |
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| trx | no need to take his time, its not a big deal.. | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | 1ghz omap3640 is pretty nice | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | terror in belarus. President announces harder security measures - i.e. police may do even more whatever they want. Qui bono? Is it just me who thinks this president is fishy? | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | I said I was gonna sleep but... | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | what's a service battery? | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | or a test battery | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | (from /sbin/getbootstate) | 02:18 |
| pupnik | i don't see that info from getbootstate | 02:20 |
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| RiD | Hi :) | 03:18 |
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| RiD | Hey, does anyone has an unmodified /etc/asound.conf ? | 03:37 |
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| pupnik | RiD: um... i think so.. | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/2045280 | 03:45 |
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| RiD | could you upload it? I think mine's completely messed up | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine looks like pupniks | 03:47 |
| RiD | oh didnt saw the link | 03:48 |
| RiD | Hmmm, it seems the problem is somewhere else | 03:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Blame Pulseaudio. | 03:53 |
| RiD | I guess the most reliable solution is to flash my device :/ Thanks for the help, anyways. | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 03:53 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:53 |
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| RiD | maybe a hammer works on it, or it just makes it worse. | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | RiD: What dioes it do/ | 03:56 |
| RiD | SpeedEvil: probably just splits the phone into smaller parts | 03:57 |
| RiD | well, ill flash it tomorrow. Its somewhat late here (2am) so I'm going to sleep. See ya later | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | night. | 04:03 |
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| piggz | lo, according to the following page, from qtcreator i should bw able to upload packages to extra-devel for n900, or ovi store, but i cant find any such options? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-publishing-to-maemo-extras.html | 10:17 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, can you update the python2.5-qt4 package so it depends on >= 4.7.0 and not = 4.7.0 ? | 12:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm guessing that was one of the packages that depends on bugs? :P | 12:14 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: exactly... :) I'll see what I can do - that package needs serious updates anyway | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, thanks, it's preventing CSSU updates :) | 12:17 |
| achipa | uh-oh. The thing is I'm considering a major break there. As HAM is pretty boneheaded wrt to partial updates, I'll probably make one giant python2.5-qt4 package and lose the modular setup | 12:18 |
| achipa | I know it's a few extra megs, but better a few extra megs than breakage, right ? | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, just depend on >= and it should be fine | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, also, shouldn't this be fixed somehow? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-core/4.7.5-maemo2/ | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | it says missing packages, so developers can't promote to extras | 12:20 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: but that's already in extras, what do dependent packcages care... | 12:21 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: but yes, the web interface is kooky | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you found an answer to your testbattery? | 12:22 |
| eichi | hello ;) is there an application for creating an timetable for university? or besser use a oocalc table creating a pdf? | 12:23 |
| eichi | besser = better | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, yeah, it's an interface bug (cc X-Fade) | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, I only know about the service battery for the PSP :P | 12:23 |
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| MohammadAG | also, is this the right way to support AVRCP? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/27da7d88fcdec9947e7c2fc56ebc52864ff19cfc | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I have two possible explanations: 1) the testpads are under the battery, so there may be "batteries" that have contact pins for the testpoints. 2) a special battery with a certain resitor value on BSI, to switch device to R&D or a similar mode | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some § in service manuals suggest it's 2) | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but I'm guessing no one knows about it? | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not me (which implies nobody I know) | 12:29 |
| alterego | Well, they use rigs for connecting to those. | 12:29 |
| alterego | Not batteries | 12:29 |
| Dibblah | BTW, has anyone live flashed from an alternate OS running on the SD card? | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's known | 12:30 |
| alterego | :) | 12:30 |
| Dibblah | I did - It worked OK, but Meego is... Less than stellar for a choice of "hacking platform". | 12:30 |
| Dibblah | (Not using the PC version of flasher because my USB port is busted) | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: live flashed? | 12:31 |
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| Dibblah | As in flashed the NAND from an OS running on the device. | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? you flashed NAND rootfs from uSD OS? | 12:32 |
| Dibblah | Yes. | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, which tools did you use? | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't say dd | 12:32 |
| Dibblah | flash_erase, nandwrite, ISTR. | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK :-D | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 12:32 |
| mece | Dibblah, pretty cool! | 12:32 |
| Dibblah | The real problem was getting root on Meego. Ugh. | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | it's easy! | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | su root | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | pass is meego | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 12:33 |
| Dibblah | So the requirements are that the system must be live enough to be able to install the combined uboot/kernel in the kernel partition. | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | (tbh, I guessed that two months ago and it turned out to be right...) | 12:34 |
| Dibblah | I tried that I thought. Ended up hacking the shadow file offline :) | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw meego using shadow? wow! | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | what's shadow? | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah well, they plan for tablets and laptops etc as well | 12:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Shadow password? | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/shadow | 12:36 |
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| Dibblah | So then use flasher to extract the "rootfs.jffs2" image, copy the nandwrite + flash_erase binaries, nandwrite the image, swear as it doesn't boot, boot back up into alternate, flash_erase, then nandwrite the image again. | 12:36 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Some really weird portrait mode flips in this CSSU | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | In Maemo, it's like /etc/passwd- that has the real passwords(encrypted, of course) | 12:36 |
| Dibblah | However, my cameras are still busted :( :( | 12:36 |
| Dibblah | Odd group of symptoms - It doesn't seem to recognise VBUS, both cameras don't work,... | 12:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: The status area menu absolutely INSISTS on coming up in portrait mode =( | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, not for me, at least if the device isn't in portrait itself | 12:37 |
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| MohammadAG | did you reboot or just hardcore apt-get upgrade & killall? :P | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: maemo has no /etc/shadow afaik | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: considered useless overhead | 12:38 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Used HAM to update, it rebooted after updating | 12:38 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: No, but it does have a "/etc/passwd-" file | 12:38 |
| robbiethe1st | The /etc/passwd file doesn't have the hashes in it, IIRC | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 12:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Huh, just checked. I guess it does. So what's the /etc/passwd- file for? | 12:40 |
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| Dibblah | I assume no-one knows any fault that would take out both cameras? | 12:41 |
| mece | and now for something completely different: 8-bit color cycling animations http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/ | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: edit backup? | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: update backup? | 12:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: both cams share one interface, and same processes to deal with it | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: v4l2 | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: i.e. devices video0 and video1 are mutually exclusive, by hw design. So if one gets fsckdup by a broken process, the other one will be unavailable too | 12:45 |
| pupnik | firefox cannot block particular images but only entire HOSTS?? (edit->preferences->content->load_images_automatically:Exceptions) | 12:46 |
| pupnik | most useless feature implementation ever? | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 12:46 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Use adblock+? | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 12:47 |
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| mece | grr postinst script keep breaking on me. Is there a way to get some proper error output from apt? | 12:48 |
| mece | "returned error exit: status 1" doesn't exactly help | 12:48 |
| Dibblah | Hmm. Okay, so it's possible that a hardware fault on one camera would lock the bus which both cameras are on? | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Apparently "promoting applications which depend on the in-device [Qt] libs" is broken? | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | only python2.5-qt4 ones | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | fapman has no problems obviously | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: possible but unlikely | 12:54 |
| pupnik | adblock plus doesn't give me a context sensitive right click to block images | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: first check fuser/lsof | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: check dmesg | 12:57 |
| pupnik | ahh now it shows it | 12:58 |
| Dibblah | Nothing has /dev/video* open. | 12:58 |
| pupnik | only for some pages | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: check for the right matching kernel drivers | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: things like fcam and blessn900 are known to break a new kernel with their "old" alternative cam kernel drivers | 12:59 |
| Dibblah | Hmm. That's interesting. With a _virgin_ image, I see unknown symbols for isp_mod on boot. | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually force-reinstalling fcam fixes this issue | 13:00 |
| Dibblah | iommu_get / iommu_kmap, da_to_va, etc. | 13:01 |
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| Dibblah | Oddly, the module _is_ loaded. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect your modules don't match the kernel | 13:02 |
| Dibblah | I don't see how - As I said, it was a virgin image. | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the kernel lives on a separate NAND partition | 13:03 |
| Dibblah | Yes, the kernel does - But the modules seem to be in the main FS...? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:04 |
| Dibblah | Is there any way to mount the FS in the kernel partition? | 13:04 |
| Dibblah | Or is it a raw kernel image? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no fs on kernel partition afaik | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | raw | 13:04 |
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| pupnik | adblock won't block all images, just those with http links? | 13:06 |
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| mece | hmmhmm | 13:10 |
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| Dibblah | Okay - So reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't flash the default kernel. What does? :) | 13:11 |
| mece | could the -e flag cause errors in postinst scripts? | 13:11 |
| mece | change it to -x and it didn't fail. Hmpf | 13:11 |
| Dibblah | apt-get install --reinstall kernel-flasher does nothing. | 13:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | why would you expect reinstalling a tool to trigger the tool? | 13:13 |
| Dibblah | ... Because that's what all of the docs say to do to reinstall the original kernel...? | 13:14 |
| ruskie | Dibblah, install the original kernel... then install the flasher | 13:15 |
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| Dibblah | ruskie: I have no idea how to do that :( | 13:15 |
| ruskie | apt-get install --reinstall kernel-whatever | 13:16 |
| ruskie | apt-cache search kernel | 13:16 |
| ruskie | might be helpful | 13:16 |
| pupnik | there's no *f*k*n* way to simply add a right click "block annoying image" in firefox | 13:17 |
| Dibblah | Aha. Right, I'm an idiot. Thanks, ruskie :) | 13:17 |
| ruskie | pupnik, adblock ? | 13:18 |
| pupnik | adblock only does it on hyperlinks | 13:18 |
| ruskie | erm... | 13:18 |
| ruskie | I recall it allowed it on everything | 13:18 |
| ruskie | flash objects, banners | 13:19 |
| ruskie | etc... | 13:19 |
| pupnik | recall? | 13:19 |
| pupnik | try it on a regular http page with a regular image | 13:19 |
| ruskie | no clue | 13:20 |
| ruskie | haven't used adblock in ages | 13:20 |
| ruskie | my brain filtering is already so advanced that I don't even notice billboard ads etc... | 13:20 |
| pupnik | ><div style="overflow: auto; width: 100%;"><img src="http:/...." | 13:20 |
| pupnik | some people make it their life's purpose to put the most annoying images on their forum posts | 13:21 |
| ruskie | actually some forums are simply broken | 13:21 |
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| pupnik | firefox is missing an important feature | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I failed in cyrillic/Russian...: | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers, Juri! | 13:30 |
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| timeless_w7ip | what feature? | 13:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | pupnik: how do you define an image? | 13:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | is it an image with a given md5sum? | 13:33 |
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| timeless_w7ip | is it an image with a given set of dimensions? | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_w7ip, probably more likely to be something that fits in the html IMG tag. | 13:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | is it an imagine which is hosted at an absolute path with a given cookie request? | 13:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | is it an image which appears at a precise location in a dom tree? | 13:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | is it an imagine which is in fact inserted via css? | 13:34 |
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| timeless_w7ip | blocking images is hard because web pages and the web in general are dynamic | 13:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | perhaps you want to block all images with more than x% flesh tones? :) | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | Is it an ass? Is it a plane? No, it's super pedant, timeless! | 13:35 |
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| pupnik | <img src=""/> | 13:35 |
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| pupnik | but thanks for the education | 13:36 |
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| ArkanoiD- | oh shi~~~.. application manager says i should update community SSU via cable | 13:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | arkanoid: that means you have a conflict or space issues | 13:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's a page that explains.. | 13:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | or you could install my localization and then the error message would include the link to the page :) | 13:40 |
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| nilspin | is anybody there | 14:15 |
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| ruskie | nobody here but us echos | 14:15 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, any ideas where you could get a Nexus S in IL? | 14:17 |
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| compengi | hello, how can i install this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-butterfly/ on the phone? the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/MSN_messenger says it should be in networking section of the application manager but i only see msn-pecan and pidgin | 14:21 |
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| ruskie | compengi, maybe missing a repo? | 14:23 |
| compengi | ruskie, probably. how do i edit repo list? | 14:25 |
| compengi | and where can i find it | 14:25 |
| ruskie | open the application manager menu... | 14:25 |
| ruskie | should be something there | 14:25 |
| compengi | program catalog? | 14:26 |
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| ruskie | yup | 14:27 |
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| compengi | ruskie, well.. i do have http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ in the list | 14:31 |
| ruskie | there is also extras-testing and extras-devel | 14:32 |
| compengi | ah | 14:32 |
| ruskie | and that page you were clearly states where the package lives | 14:32 |
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| arcol | hi | 15:25 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG shop? | 15:28 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG there are shops selling it you know | 15:28 |
| ZogG | why would you like it? | 15:28 |
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| compengi | ruskie, thanks :) | 15:33 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, anyway i hope you know zap.co.il for anything you want to find in israel =) | 15:52 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, ping german guy | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what's up, earthling? | 15:58 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer =) | 16:00 |
| ZogG | who is the guys behing repos? ole' mate ruskie is trying to get approval for xmms2 package for extras and maybe there is a way to get thing faster | 16:01 |
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| ZogG | you know RST38h can laid with people if it's needed | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: approval for extras is an automatic process afaik. Get 10 votes and you're in | 16:03 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer oh, and if it's new package noone knows of it, how do i get 10 votes? | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, bribe, beg, blog, wait, cry... | 16:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I do not see xmms2 in the package list | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=xmms&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 16:05 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, what did it say when you tried to upload? you got some msg about voting? | 16:10 |
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| alterego | woot, Columbus now has track log loading :) | 16:17 |
| alterego | v1 beta real close now | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:19 |
| alterego | I need to add gap detection though | 16:19 |
| alterego | I just loaded a track log and it draws a straight line from previous position to where you are now (18 miles away) :D | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: hey, so do all the other GPS apps :-P | 16:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:27 |
| alterego | Well, mine doesn't anymore :P | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 16:27 |
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| thresh | grr, i've upgraded my phone with apt-get install mp-fremante-community-pr, and now black screen instead of hildon :) | 16:35 |
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| thresh | I can answer the calls though.. | 16:35 |
| thresh | guess I have to reflash | 16:35 |
| alterego | You should never upgrade with apt-get .. | 16:35 |
| thresh | iKnow :D | 16:35 |
| alterego | Now I need to also make previous track data render in a different colour. | 16:35 |
| alterego | Well, slightly faded I think. | 16:35 |
| alterego | But first, I've got some MeeGo work to do. | 16:36 |
| Veggen | altereho: imo, that's a serious design flaw. that you can't upgrade with apt-get. | 16:36 |
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| alterego | Veggen: I wouldn't say design flaw .. | 16:36 |
| Veggen | well, ok. | 16:36 |
| alterego | I'd say omission maybe | 16:36 |
| Veggen | .9 | 16:36 |
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| alterego | I doubt it was ever in the functional requirements | 16:37 |
| alterego | You're best bet is to not think of maemo as debian based and as just using dpkg, which is what it is really :P | 16:37 |
| alterego | It is a shame none-the-less | 16:37 |
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| thresh | hmm, how do I actually install that new SSU upgrade if I don't have PC suite or windows | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | SSU upgrade is over-the-air | 16:40 |
| Khertan | Hello | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 16:40 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:40 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: HAM said I have to use PC suite. | 16:41 |
| thresh | that's why I tried apt-get in the first place | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | HAM lies. | 16:41 |
| thresh | iKnow. Fapman wouldnt? | 16:41 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: can i disturb you ? Does there is a changelog of the Qt 4.7.2 integrated in cssu 14 ? | 16:41 |
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| thresh | oh well, reboot helped. It "forgot" all the settings it seems though. | 16:46 |
| thresh | asked me to reenter the time. | 16:46 |
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| Khertan | HAM have pretty strange things since cssu 14 | 16:52 |
| Khertan | does there is change in this app ? | 16:52 |
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| Khertan | XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Formatted like "Description". Will be displayed if user upgrades to new version and clicks on "Details". <<< seems displayed now as the description of the app | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | Stop! Hammertime: http://media.fukung.net/images/35895/097aa77bf1e5a2eb3ace895adfe9d6d8.gif | 16:55 |
| ZogG | lol | 16:56 |
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| MohammadAG | Khertan, upstream commits | 17:08 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/ | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+F v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3: Created tag v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3 | 17:09 |
| ZogG | ? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't at you | 17:10 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG have you checked zap? | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | I hate that site :p | 17:13 |
| ZogG | they have nexus 2 there | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG | Nexus 2? lol | 17:16 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, no local stores that sell it then? | 17:19 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, they do if it has | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | wow, 2500 | 17:21 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=783437 | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | holy shit the atrix is 3500 | 17:21 |
| ZogG | you want one? | 17:21 |
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| ZogG | cheeper than iphone4 in orange =) | 17:22 |
| ZogG | they are idiots | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | lol the iPhone 4 is like 7000 | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG | it's not for me | 17:22 |
| ZogG | over9000 | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | time to move on from the N8/Symbian^3 | 17:22 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, when you go to jordan? =) | 17:23 |
| ZogG | you stick with n900? | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | probably not soon :P | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it's fun | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, I've used the iPhone 4 for a long time | 17:23 |
| ZogG | i have new iphone4 btw | 17:23 |
| ZogG | trying to sell it | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | apps are fun and all, but meh, it's boring | 17:23 |
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| ZogG | tap tap revenge is the best | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | iTunes remote and airport control is awesome | 17:24 |
| ZogG | i hate itunes | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, fancy names, what's airport control? | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | Airport Express | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | can I fly a plane with it? | 17:25 |
| ZogG | airportbombing + ?=) | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | It's a router with audio out and USB port | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | isn't that like a PSP and a PS3? | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | allows you to stream music to any stereo in the house | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | or VLC and vlc-remote? | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | Not really | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | This syncs the sound to be exactly at the same time | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | So I've got the laptop in the study, stereo in room and main stereo in living room | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | you mean it delays the host so it syncs with the client? | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | all are playing the same music, which I control from my pocket/iPod | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | of course, the user doesn't have to notice that | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | And there is no echo effect, because all play at the exact same time | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | So you can walk from room to room, and not hear any skipping or so | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | Pretty cool | 17:27 |
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| crashanddie | it's the size of a Apple power brick, minus the cables, so very portable | 17:27 |
| crashanddie | I've used it all over the world in hotel rooms, that way I plug it into the ethernet, and have my own personal wifi hotspot | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | sounds cool | 17:28 |
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| crashanddie | it's about 90euros | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | The key has been cracked recently | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | but it needs iTunes, an airport, and an iPod :P | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG | first one doesn't mix well with Linux | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | Well, it doesn't need the iPod, that's just to control your music from your couch | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | There are C implementations that allow you to stream from Linux to the airport | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | but it needs the airport | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | There is airfoil on Mac/Windows that allow you to stream any sound on the computer to the airport | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | never seen an airport tbh | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, I wonder if it's at the local office depot... | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | no, I meant I never saw one irl | 17:29 |
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| crashanddie | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/164980809_6c54bc2e70.jpg | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | re | 17:33 |
| pupnik | moo | 17:34 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, lol, isn't that ben gurion? :P | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 17:35 |
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| Khertan | MohammadAG: yep indeed ... upstream patch only ... so i should found something about my bug in the git | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | "IRL Airport" | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | good ol' times, was going to germany | 17:36 |
| Khertan | Qt by Nokia pushed 1898 commits <<<< oh nice ... will be easy to track | 17:36 |
| Khertan | This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser | 17:36 |
| Khertan | yeah ! | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description always been used in HAM, just nobody used it in their packages :-( | 17:37 |
| Khertan | so it s that :) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, you sure it's 1898? | 17:38 |
| Khertan | as i found pretty strange to found my upgrade description in the list | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure I saw more than that | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | something like 3xxx | 17:38 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: the 02/03/11 at 13h32 : 1898 | 17:38 |
| Venemo | hi guys | 17:39 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I use it in my packages | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, me too | 17:40 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: hum ... so this mean i should found a work arround now for hilighting the current line in a QTextEdit while i can remove my work arround for ensureVisible :) | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, you missed a part | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | t by Nokia pushed 3667 commits to +qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo:4.7-fremantle | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | QString(lastMessage).prepend("Q") | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser | 17:43 |
| Khertan | ok ... gitorious isn't really usefull for such large project | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description) actually I think I verified HAM shows the text under this key only when actually updating a package, but not on initial installation | 17:45 |
| Khertan | fatal: early EOF | 17:46 |
| Khertan | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 17:46 |
| Khertan | fatal: index-pack failed | 17:46 |
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| Khertan | mouaha | 17:46 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer thx for the information | 17:46 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer: Khweeteur-experimental package use it :) | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it shows XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description alternatively to the original description, I tend to add the original description PLUS changelog under XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description | 17:47 |
| Khertan | this is probably what i ll do too | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, some packages have more severe issues with their description - I *HATE* this scheme: "name: foobar-frobbler -- description: port of foobar-frobbler. Frobbles your foobar" | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | version 0.2, now with extra frobbling power | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah \o/ | 17:51 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, haha | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | all devels doing that should get punished by forcing them to learn tokyo phonebook by heart, and then get examined for a week and get an electroshock for each query they don't know | 17:53 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, then you wouldn't like my XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description :P | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: update description is a bit flawed as it doesn't show original description as well | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | is a "Window" an XID? | 17:54 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, "Install this upgrade to get your hands on the new features of Puzzle Master!" | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen javispedro | 17:54 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 17h 26m 5s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weird | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | holiday? | 17:58 |
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| Khertan | pfffff can't clone qt-maemo git repository | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | why? | 18:38 |
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| xd13 | what r the big changes in the update i just got because i don't c any | 18:53 |
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| crashanddie | xd13, apparently, it broke your ability to spell | 18:57 |
| xd13 | haha | 18:57 |
| xd13 | why does me shortcutting everything aggravate you so ? | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | because there is no need to? | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's nt jst u | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | ryt crashanddie? | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | aye | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | aww, I expected a kick | 18:59 |
| xd13 | but anyway, anyone notice any huge changes in the update, I think my transitions got a little smoother but new features wise I don't see anythign | 19:00 |
| kwtm | Hi. Anyone know where the config files for my N900 email accounts are stored? I backed up everything in ~/ but on restoring I lost my email configuration. Would like to prevent that from happening again. | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | what update? | 19:00 |
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| xd13 | ssu | 19:00 |
| xd13 | 14.1 | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | blame MohammadAG | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | kwtm: you should use 'backup' | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | no, blame users not reading wikis :P | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the general answer is that settings are in gconf (/var/lib/gconf) | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | no, MohammadAG, I blame you for the SSU, 14.1 | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | what about it? | 19:01 |
| piggz | MohammadAG: great work on cssu | 19:02 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: I think that's debatable, since backup has failed me before (the backed up file was not visible somehow) but also backup does not do rsync to my home server. Will check out gconf. Thx | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | 14.1 was a hotfix for 14 | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | kwtm: err | 19:02 |
| piggz | is there a way of getting qml apps from -devel...atm, it seems they are automatically blocked, i guess becuase libqtm-11 is only in -devel....will this change? | 19:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | backups go into ~/MyDocs/Backups/.... | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | which would be rather stupid | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're certainly free to do that... | 19:06 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: It *would* be rather stupid. I'm so glad I cross file systems! | 19:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | then i don't see how backup would fail you | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and i respectfully request that you file a bug | 19:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | because it's important to indicate when backup isn't working... | 19:07 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: However --and I've had this happen before-- I made a few backups --let's say, 4 of them. On reflashing, when I try to restore using the backup app, it lets me select from 3 of the backups I made --the most recent isn't visible. | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | so... backup can create backups to ~/MyDocs or your uSD card | 19:08 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Of course, I have no screenshot of this since it's just a fresh system that I restored from. Somehow when I do something else (I install some applications manually, re-set-up my configs, etc.) then later all 4 backups are visible. | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if you create a backup on the uSD card and then remove the uSD card, your backup won't be listed :) | 19:08 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: I'm not sure exactly what makes the backups visible again. | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | MyDocs is fat | 19:09 |
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| kwtm | timeless_mbp: I'm going to assume for the moment that I'm not *that* stupid, and I invite you to do the same. For example, why would 3 of the backups be visible when all 4 are stored in the same place? | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and we don't do screwy things to file system attributes | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | there are 2 potential storage locations | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | internal mmc, and removable sd | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if you didn't have a removable sd when you made your first 3 backups, they'd all go to the internal mmc | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | however, if you later insert a removable sd | 19:10 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: I mentioned this in this channel and was basically told that that couldn't possibly be, since so much work had been put into the backup program, and thus it was a noob error. So I'm not really inclined to file a bug, thank you. | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible that your next backup would be placed there instead | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and if you remove it | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | then it wouldn't be listed ... | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | this is a supported behavior | 19:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and is useful, for e.g. transfering your data before sending your n900 in for servicing... | 19:11 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: I know about removable uSD, thanks. The fact is, not only do I know that the uSD was present for all backups, but that I did not reinsert/remove them in between the time when only 3 were visible and 4 were visible (since it involves removing the battery and then rebooting). | 19:11 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 19:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | you do *not* need to remove the battery to remove the uSD | 19:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | the SIM card is behind the battery | 19:12 |
| kwtm | Anyway, all this is just to explain why I'd like to be able to rsync my data wireless to my home server. One advantage is that if I drop my N900 into the ocean, I still have my data. | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the uSD is not | 19:12 |
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| kwtm | Why, you're right! I was thinking of the SIM card. Ok, so that makes my point even more: I have *never* removed the uSD card from my N900 once inserted. | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | well, now you've learned something new ;) | 19:12 |
| kwtm | the uSD is too small for me to handle comfortably, so I decided that once I put it in, it would stay in. The only exception was when I got my 2nd (and 3rd) N900, I inserted the uSD card into that device. | 19:13 |
| kwtm | So, back to the original point ... would it be reasonable to expect that if I've backed up (using rsync or other copying strategy) everything under ~/ and under /var/lib/gconf that my email account info would be preserved and restorable? | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | As a product manager, I'd be tempted to reply: Of course not. | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | "no" | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | As a linux hacker, I'd be tempted to reply: use strace and find out. | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | because using rsync to restore to /var/lib/gconf isn't likely to do the right thing | 19:14 |
| kwtm | Then I guess back to the original question ... where is the email account info stored, so that I can restore it after a flash? | 19:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | the proper way is w/ gconf-tool2 or whatever | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | gcontool-2* | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | this is your account info | 19:15 |
| * timeless_mbp offers mohammadag an 'f' :) | 19:15 | |
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| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Oh, note that I didn't say I was going to use rsync to restore. But that is where the information is if I need to restore? | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the account contents of course are in MyDocs | 19:15 |
| * MohammadAG accepts it | 19:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 19:15 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Thank you. | 19:15 |
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| MohammadAG | gconftool-2* | 19:15 |
| kwtm | So, I guess the next question is: if I want to restore, then I use gconftool-2? That will say (more or less) "If you still have everything under MyDocs, I can restore the email account info"? | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | the account configuration lives in gconf | 19:16 |
| * ArkanoiD- tried new modest.. looks nice, but it still takes 4 taps to get to my inbox :-(( | 19:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea how to convert a stale copy of a gconf file system into something that gconftool-2 can use to feed to a live gconf world | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | but in theory it should be doable | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the mydocs content is just your mail | 19:17 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: When you say account contents, you mean the contents of the email messages themselves? I see. So the settings (name of mail server, port numbers etc.) are in gconf. | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 19:17 |
| corecode | any hint how to debug "authentication failed" messages for wpa/peap? | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG | get schemas from /*? | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | then register them | 19:18 |
| corecode | this works on our campus network, but here it doesn't, so i'd like to log some info what is failing exactly | 19:18 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: So from what you are saying, if I use the Backup app, then the backup info itself (being stored in MyDocs) would be rsync'd by my backup strategy of saving everything under ~/, and then when I restore them back, then I can use the Backup app to restore my email account info (even though that info itself was stored in /var/whatever/gconf) right? | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the backup system has hooks which let apps serialize and restore settings | 19:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | mail is one of the subscribers | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (more or less) | 19:20 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Ok. I will remember for next time. One more question, out of curiosity: | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 19:20 |
| kwtm | You said [09:06] <timeless_mbp> if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data What was it I said that made you wonder if I might have included the --one-file-system flag? | 19:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | it was <back up all of ~/> | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | there are plenty of naive implementations which would avoid crossing file systems | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | muhaha | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | I figured out how to take a splash screenshot in Qt | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | i.e this http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-take-screenshot but in Qt | 19:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the documentation is buggy | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it should say 'extant' not 'existent' | 19:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | also 'time changes' in the comment is bogus | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | 'time changes' every minute | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 19:40 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hello ! | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n900 | MohammedAG : This is worst from what i think. Unfortunatly each time i try to clone the git repository i got connection error from gitorious. Will be hard to see the problem without the code :( | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | if anyone's interested in it, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/0410f02d8083b184fcd50c03bbbec5d69ef9c163 | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | heya Khertan | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_n900, which repo, ours or gitorious's? | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | This affect every Qt App that use QTextEdit, and QLineEdit, | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | MohammadAG : the qt gitorious | 19:54 |
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| Khertan_n900 | The best way to got this fixed quickly is to fix it myself i think :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n900 | this is why i was trying to see which commit add this bug | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | did you report a bug upstream? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | i.e on Qt bugtrackers | 19:55 |
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| Khertan_n900 | yep nbut i need to complete and edit it again as i affect all selection not just setExtraSelection | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n900 | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 | 19:58 |
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| Khertan_n900 | it s a real pain to enter bug in this bugtracker with microb | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n900 | ~ping | 19:58 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:58 |
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| MohammadAG | try to clone the CSSU repo | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | the qt repo fails for me too, I used a server to clone and push | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | then reset git commits up until upstream | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n900 | i ll try tomorrow as currently i didn't have any stable connection and nothing more than my n900 on 3g :) (i m in a train) | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n900 | yep i ll try that tomorrow | 20:03 |
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| Khertan_n900 | it s not funny that there isn't any line about maemo in the changelog | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n900 | also i didn't see any mention of the merged commit i do on QAbstractKineticScroller in the changelog | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG | Khertan_n900, it's merged | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/22716aa9c2e6aa8fe40eba499bdb0b987014bdb7 | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG | what's better than tinypic? Apparently they replace screenshots/images when they feel like it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829 >.< | 20:20 |
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| norayr | hey people | 20:25 |
| norayr | My friend in another city wants to buy a second hand n810 | 20:25 |
| norayr | So I am unable to help him to check her purchase. | 20:25 |
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| norayr | her | 20:25 |
| norayr | What can you suggest me to tell her | 20:26 |
| norayr | to check | 20:26 |
| norayr | By taking into consideration that I cannot suggesto to open a terminal and type commands | 20:26 |
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| ArkanoiD- | angry birds rio looks great | 20:26 |
| norayr | Just how would she check that tablet works in order to buy it? | 20:26 |
| ArkanoiD- | shame we do not have a native version | 20:26 |
| xd13 | copying all of looney tunes 2 n900....this is going 2 take a while | 20:27 |
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| divansantana | i've got a bug with latest CSSU update. It says not enough free space, I've got 826.5M free, which is 97% full (since I did the partition). Does the software look at the percentage perhaps? | 21:02 |
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| ejasmudar | @divansanatana, how much rootfs space do u have? | 21:15 |
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| yacc | Wondering, are there any tricks to consider for charging the N900 on USB (from a 12V car USB plug), ... | 21:34 |
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| cehteh | yacc: there are adapters, just be careful to use a micro usb standard charging compatible one | 21:37 |
| cehteh | that is both data pins are shortened (possibly with a resistor) | 21:37 |
| cehteh | otherwise it will only draw 100ma which is not enough for charging | 21:38 |
| yacc | Well, the plug works well enough with my daughters iPhone, and the MicroUSB cable works well enough for charging when connected to the PC, ... | 21:38 |
| yacc | Ah sucks, that would look like the symptoms => no charging animation, but orange LED after it turned itself off, ... | 21:38 |
| cehteh | you can try shortening the data pins by yourself | 21:39 |
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| cehteh | well and its not the n900 fault, it just follows the standard, other devices dont | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no resistor needed | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | just short the middle two pins | 21:52 |
| divansantana | @ejasmudar as said, 826MB in /home or /opt, had 73M in rootfs, remmoved some data out of /opt or /home and all was fine, posted to the ML. | 21:57 |
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| real_ate | hi all! i'm looking for a bit of help... I keep getting "connection reset by peer" when I try and download a podcast using gpodder on my n900 and what to know what to do to figure out what is wrong | 22:12 |
| real_ate | can anyone point me in the direction of figuring out what is wrong with my phone/gpodder/my network? | 22:13 |
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| pupnik | hi real_ate | 22:16 |
| real_ate | pupnik: hi | 22:16 |
| pupnik | can you download large files without problems? | 22:16 |
| real_ate | pupnik: i'm not sure... i just tried to download the offending file through my web browser and it ends prematurly, i.e. instantly | 22:17 |
| real_ate | so it seems to be a phone problem ... :/ | 22:18 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: any idea how i can narrow this down? or is there anything that i can do ? | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | real_ate: are you connected via wifi or cell network? | 22:26 |
| pupnik | real_ate: try to transfer larger files from local computers | 22:26 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: i'm on wifi | 22:26 |
| real_ate | pupnik: i'll try that now | 22:26 |
| pupnik | i'm not aware of any particular tweaks needed | 22:27 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: downloading seems fine on my internal network | 22:35 |
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| pupnik | real_ate: hmm hmm. you could install 'wget' on the n900 and try 'wget http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb' for e.g | 22:39 |
| pupnik | or http://pupnik.de/Ultima7_music_stereo_remastered_mp3.tgz for a larger file | 22:40 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: downloading now | 22:49 |
| real_ate | pupnik: hmm... seems to have stalled at 5% | 22:49 |
| pupnik | :* | 22:49 |
| real_ate | hasn't kicked back in yet | 22:50 |
| real_ate | ... hmm... i'll try again | 22:50 |
| pupnik | wonder if maybe your MTU is set too high | 22:50 |
| pupnik | you could try setting the maximum transmission of your unit 10% lower | 22:51 |
| * real_ate doesn't know what MTU is | 22:51 | |
| pupnik | have you used other laptops/computers on the wireless lan? | 22:51 |
| real_ate | yea.. but come to think of it there are some problems with them sometimes too | 22:52 |
| real_ate | pupnik: ssh over the wireless hangs | 22:52 |
| real_ate | every so often it just pauses and won't kick back in | 22:52 |
| pupnik | :/ | 22:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | real_ate: Typical of powersaving not working well. | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Try turning off powersaving. settings -> internet connections ->then scroll all the way to the end - and the powersave settings are there | 22:55 |
| pupnik | ahh gooddness advice from mr SpeedEvil | 22:57 |
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| real_ate | SpeedEvil: still cutting out but it made it to 30% instead of 5% | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It does this even if you're closer to the router? | 22:58 |
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| real_ate | brb | 22:58 |
| * real_ate goes to check | 22:58 | |
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| real_ate | SpeedEvil: it seems to be better in the same room as the router | 23:07 |
| real_ate | but not working 100% yet | 23:07 |
| real_ate | it downloaded fine the first time, then made it to 90% the second | 23:08 |
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| pupnik | :( | 23:08 |
| real_ate | pupnik: am i killing your bandwidth btw ? :/ | 23:08 |
| pupnik | no | 23:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | odd | 23:09 |
| real_ate | SpeedEvil: do you think this MTU problem has legs? | 23:10 |
| real_ate | does anyone know how I check if its set too high? | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I dunno. | 23:11 |
| pupnik | well it shouldnt be a problem with a sensible ISP | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm probably going to sleep. | 23:11 |
| pupnik | cheers | 23:11 |
| real_ate | SpeedEvil: thank you for your help! | 23:11 |
| real_ate | pupnik: its prob not a problem since my provider is a Fiber provide.... | 23:11 |
| real_ate | i assume they know what they are doing ;) | 23:12 |
| real_ate | Virgin Broadband | 23:12 |
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| pupnik | mtu would be set in your router / wifi configuration | 23:14 |
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| FIQ | PR1.3.3.7 | 23:14 |
| FIQ | hmmmmmmmm, why would it be called that........ :P | 23:14 |
| pupnik | but if you got 30% then it seems unlikely that's the problem | 23:14 |
| pupnik | lol | 23:14 |
| FIQ | a coincidence ofc | 23:15 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: i have done the "ping test" for mtu... its not the problem | 23:16 |
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| pupnik | check forums perhaps - i have no idea | 23:17 |
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| real_ate | pupnik: thanks for your help | 23:19 |
| pupnik | good luck! | 23:19 |
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| MohammadAG | does anyone know how to interpret key presses that show up in /dev/input/eventX? | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Well they'd be skint, spending all their money on windows in the first place ;D | 23:39 |
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| real_ate | eh... does everyone see this page all wrong ? http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/wireless_sync_for_media-especially_music/ | 23:40 |
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| argent0 | hi, i mount the device using mass storge mode (i'm using linux). Where should i put music files? | 23:43 |
| trx | MohammadAG http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/ | 23:43 |
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| nox- | there also is evtest (tho no idea if on n900) | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | argent0, .sounds | 23:46 |
| trx | nox- i dont think so | 23:46 |
| argent0 | ShadowJK: i did tried there, but how can i acces that folder from the term on the device? | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | MyDocs/.sounds | 23:48 |
| argent0 | ShadowJK: Thank you very much ideed | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | +/ | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | +* | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | trx, DocScrutinizer thanks | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | I suppose bluez allows a connection to a device without pairing? | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the device had been paired before, then probably yes | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, unpaired, has no pairing key | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, afaik you can transmit data via BT to an unpaired device as well. Otherwise the BT dating in arabic subways and busses wouldn't work ;-D | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluedating | 23:59 |
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