IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-04-11

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lbtrd: go to audio/build VBR time map00:00
lbtshould sort it out00:00
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rdwow, cool, indeed that fixes the problem.00:01
lbtwe've used it for years to trim adverts out of TV shows which we save to DVD00:02
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lbtit's brilliant at that... but you can't shuffle sements and it's hard (start again!) to edit them once you've cut a bit00:03
lbtopenshot is looking like a real player though ...00:03
lbtbut avidemux handles lots of formats00:03
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kwtmcan someone point me back to where in the wiki it says where to change CSS definitions so my SMS message display has a larger font size?  Google seems to be throwing off all sorts of red herrings today.00:18
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DocScrutinizersomewhere next to maybe00:24
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kwtmI found the one I had seen before; there may have been others.  If anyone's interested and/or logging this, I got it at
kwtmthx anyway though.00:56
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kwtmWhere are the system fonts stored?  I want to change font settings on  /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc  but I want to make sure the font sizes exist.01:03
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newbie007is this a good place to ask aobut the hildon-desktop?01:06
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xd13i want more ssu updates01:07
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cehtehnewbie007: there is likely no other place at least01:14
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mer_gehey. there is no "plugin.default_plugin_disabled" in firefox's about:config in order to enable flash01:32
mer_gehow can I not find it?01:32
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Frampisis anyone using Mumble on N900?01:50
FrampisI know it's not being developed or anything, but I was wondering if someone's had problems being able to speak and been able to fix it01:51
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FrampisI installed it from extras-devel so I think all the dependencies are also installed01:51
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vldcnstCan a supposedly fake battery act as an original nokia battery the first 3-5 chargers and then become like a 3 year old used one?02:02
alteregoIf it's a crap battery :)02:04
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vldcnstBut it looks exactly like an original one02:06
vldcnstAnd the first chargers.. really good!02:06
vldcnstargh, same typo twice. charges*02:06
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ShadowJKvldcnst, did you reboot at any point?02:12
vldcnstShadowJK: it's not a battery management issue.02:12
vldcnstShadowJK: been running powertop regularly02:13
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ShadowJKIf the copy battery used a 100k@20C thermistor instead of a plain resistor, if you reboot with a warm battery, the charge metering thinks the battery is much smaller than it is, and might tell you fairy tales02:14
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ShadowJKon the other hand, if you replace the most expensive materials in an actual battery cell, you get one that wears out in 5-10 cycles...02:15
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vldcnstShadowJK: the battery was bought from an official nokia shop.. that's what makes it strange02:15
ShadowJKbut ive only ever heard of that being done by ghost shifts making cylindrical cells02:15
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vldcnstShadowJK: on normal usage, first cycles I was getting about 1 day. now it's about 2 hours, with powertop showing 250 wakeups in idle and everything except 2G gsm on02:16
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ShadowJKhal-device bme | grep reporting.design02:17
ShadowJKseems ok02:18
DocScrutinizerget ShadowJK 's script02:18
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ShadowJKvldcnst, are you able to use terminal/shell?02:20
DocScrutinizerI bet the problem is unrelated to battery at large02:20
DocScrutinizerpowertop doesn't tell about all the possible powerhogs02:20
vldcnstShadowJK: yes02:21
vldcnstDocScrutinizer: using the older, original battery, usage is normal02:21
ShadowJKYeah, something using 100% cpu doesn't show up in powertop02:21
vldcnst1day or more.02:21
vldcnstso it's specific to this battery02:21
DocScrutinizerGSM pings also don't show up02:21
ShadowJKI have those in /root/ as you need root to use it anyway02:22
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DocScrutinizerthat's why you call it like ./ :-)02:22
ShadowJKchmod +x on them, './' for a datadump, that for us. './ 5' to get a vmstst-like output one line every second (the fastest the hw updates)02:23
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ShadowJKone lihe every 5 seconds*02:23
vldcnstso you'd like the latter?02:26
ShadowJKWell, both. First do the plain './' dump02:27
DocScrutinizerlooks like that, for an example02:29
vldcnst(it went into idle for a few times)02:29
ShadowJKidle consumption looks good02:30
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DocScrutinizer10h til empty02:32
DocScrutinizernormal with screen on02:32
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DocScrutinizer18 23 19 19 also sane02:33
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DocScrutinizerCycle Count since Learning: 95 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 9502:34
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ShadowJKSo if you had it fully charged since last empty, you're at about 584 mAh remaining, (though shutdown happens at about 50-100mA left, and low battery warning comes before that)02:34
vldcnstDocScrutinizer: does that mean it was charged 95 times?02:34
ShadowJK584 remaining assuming 1200mAh battery02:34
DocScrutinizerthat measn chip in phone didn't reset since 95 charges02:34
Dhraakelliancan't seem to resolve in the sdk02:35
Dhraakellianwhich means no installation of more -dev packages02:35
vldcnstShadowJK: that seems about right02:35
DocScrutinizerusually it's supposed to reset on battery out >10s or so02:35
ShadowJKDhraakellian, find every resolv.conf and fix then02:35
vldcnstDocScrutinizer: I just had it without a battery a few hours ago, for more than 2 minutes02:35
DocScrutinizerthat's why o.O02:36
DhraakellianShadowJK: *blink*02:36
vldcnstDocScrutinizer51: I don't follow02:36
Dhraakellianokay, I remembered to do that in the host system, but it totally didn't occur to me to do it within scratchbox02:36
DocScrutinizerI was wondering how that can happen02:36
DocScrutinizerI gather you properly shut it down prior to swapping bat, and you didn't accidentally touch the powerbutton while bat out02:37
vldcnstDocScrutinizer: proper shutdown, yes.02:38
Dhraakellianstill didn't work02:39
Dhraakellianpoking around a bit02:39
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ShadowJKvldcnst, so the chip is uncalibrated. the NAC column shows remaining mAh. Because it's uncalibrated, it sets NAC to LMD (1956) on full battery, and counts down from there. Anyway, if you charge it full, start the script with logging ('./ 5 | tee /home/user/bq.log'), and use the phone until it normally shuts down on low/"empty" battery, you should be able to figure out how many mAh your battery has by examining the logfile02:40
ShadowJKDhraakellian, I did find -name resolv.conf . or something02:40
ShadowJKthere's a shitload of them :(02:40
ShadowJKand they get crapped on regulary :(02:40
vldcnstShadowJK: I did that (full cycle) a few days ago, when I got the battery. Would swapping batteries affect that calibration?02:42
ShadowJKNo it never calibrates02:42
DhraakellianShadowJK: not seeing anything02:43
ShadowJKdo the find as root outside scratchbox02:43
SpeedEvilIn general, you need to stop BME and run till it a bit after it would normally shut off.02:44
SpeedEvilFor it to calibrate.02:44
ShadowJKAnd you need to repeat that about 4 times02:44
SpeedEvil(There are other criteria - it has to be fully charged, and go to empty, and the temperature cannot be outside limits.02:44
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: Only if initial capacity is over an eigth out.02:45
DocScrutinizerfind / -name '*resolv*'02:45
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, which it is :P02:45
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: could you change your script to print RS?02:46
ShadowJKit's 2102:46
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ShadowJK(Experimentally determined by ssirka's ampmeter)02:47
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ShadowJKjig and ampmeter02:47
DocScrutinizerI didn't ask about size :-)02:47
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DocScrutinizerI know where from we got that value02:47
DocScrutinizerI've been the one talking him into doing that02:48
ShadowJKvldcnst, so easiest is to look at last line in log that isn't 6% or less, and do 1956-NAC, and then multiply by 1.07 to get approximate battery capacity :p02:49
ShadowJKresults will vary by 100mA or so depending on system load at point when bme decides to shutdown02:50
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vldcnstShadowJK&Doc: thanks. will do some further testing02:52
vldcnstMight even ask for a replacement battery02:52
ShadowJKbtw, 3800ish mV and approx 50% femaining look fine too02:53
DocScrutinizerthe battery seems to be ok02:53
ShadowJKif this was guess-the-battery I'd say you were using the "good" battery02:54
DocScrutinizerthat's where I came from when looking at the cycle-count and found it at 9802:54
ShadowJKI've only ever seen mine reset when it was sans battery for 2 month round-trip to nokia care ;p02:55
vldcnstIt was charged 3 hours ago to full02:55
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vldcnstAnd it's to 35%~ now, without any calls02:55
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vldcnstOnly activated wifi to download the sh scripts02:56
SpeedEvilI'vre only seen mine reset when I stop BME, and run it out02:56
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ShadowJKmine doesn't reset even on that02:57
DocScrutinizerhmm, 150uF02:58
ShadowJKbtw: (battery benchmarks, some mods, and a silly voltage-based abattery meter)02:58
GAN900Twitter needs threading.02:59
* GAN900 misses Jaiku.02:59
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, is that the capacitor for bq27200?03:00
DhraakellianI think I've cleared out all the resolv.conf-ish files it's found so far... no luck still03:00
ShadowJKcleared out?03:01
ShadowJKYou're supposed to make them say  "nameserver" or something...03:01
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: buffer on VBAT03:02
DocScrutinizerso yes, also the capacitor that powers bq27200 when bat is out03:02
Dhraakellianright... I'm used to networkmanager and such refilling them03:02
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, bq27200 also has its own capacitor03:03
DocScrutinizermeh, a 100nF03:03
DocScrutinizerconnected to VBAT via 1k03:04
ShadowJKDhraakellian, oh also, there's some conf file in an /etc/apt/ or apt.d directory somewhere configuring a nokia internal proxy server03:04
DocScrutinizera 1k is no diode03:04
Dhraakellianand I need to be wandering off03:05
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Dhraakellianokay, wandering delayed03:13
DhraakellianI finally got all the needed files changed, it appears03:13
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DocScrutinizerwell, fact is a 150uF could feed the bq27200 for days and months, but I'm not sure about the rest of N900 in power-down state (there are lots of chips directly connected to VBat)03:47
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newbie007has anyone ever tried to get gmote running on a n900?05:32
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newbie007*gmote-server that is05:36
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prgrnis the "turning control" for phone app on standard maemo or only ssu?05:46
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prgrni mean, do you guys have it?05:53
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Sazpaimon_so like, say I have a VPN account06:06
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Sazpaimon_if I use this account on my phone, will it allow me to accept incoming connectons when on GPRS06:07
Sazpaimon_im guessing no, because that really isnt what VPN is designed for06:07
* GeneralAntilles facepalms06:08
GeneralAntillesNo wonder I can't get this damn thing in tune, they included two of the same sized strings. . . .06:08
chxGeneralAntilles: you turned the N900 into a string isntrument? tell us more06:09
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Termanagood morning09:37
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meceany tmo mods around?09:50
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meceECHO... Echo... echo... cho... ho... o...  ...11:25
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RST38hA'ok, HELO everybody11:28
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timeless_xchatmece: what's up11:28
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mecetimeless_xchat, not much it seems :)11:28
timeless_xchatmece: do you have time to kill?11:29
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mecetimeless_xchat, not exactly, what'd you have in mind11:30
dnearyhi timeless_xchat11:30
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timeless_xchatyou owe me a ping :)11:32
timeless_xchatgot time nowish?11:32
* tybollt forks timeless a ping11:32
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timeless_xchattybollt: pong, how's it going?11:33
tybolltpretty good, and you guys? How you holding up now things are what they are?11:33
* tybollt keeps having these silly recurring dreams of new meego HW ;-)11:34
timeless_xchatwell, i'm trying to get dneary to help me attend MeeGo Conference SF11:34
tybolltyes, you should!11:34
timeless_xchati'm having fun otherwise11:34
* timeless_xchat hopes that works11:34
* timeless_xchat is running low on power and will swap batteries shortly11:35
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timeless_xchatbtw, could someone please poke the XChat maintainer and perhaps the IME people?11:35
timeless_xchatcompletion appears offscreen right11:35
timeless_xchatwhich is of course useless11:36
timeless_xchat... life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get11:36
timeless_xchat... life (with n900 ime) is like a box of chocolates, you never know what (completion) you're gonna get11:36
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RST38hbut it will always be of chocolate color and more or less the same proportions.11:37
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timeless_xchatrst38h: chocolate color can be white, light brown, medium brown, dark brown, black,11:37
timeless_xchator it can be pink11:37
RST38hBROWN. -- CO.11:37
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crashanddieYou will be deceived:
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timeless_xchatcrashanddie: good day11:42
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timeless_xchatcan i interest anyone in writing patches to dbd::sqlite perldoc?12:06
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timeless_xchatsp3000 : got lunch plans?12:59
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MohammadAGdamn this place is dead at times13:03
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* timeless_xchat is sql-coding while walking 13:05
alteregoThat's because we're all at my birthday party and I didn't invite you, sorry :P13:07
MohammadAGalterego, I don't need an invite, I know where you live13:08
* MohammadAG searches for "The pub" on google maps13:08
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alteregoMy birthday party isn't a geo cache game :P13:09
crashanddieThat is actually an awesome idea13:14
* crashanddie purchases a dozen handheld GPS units13:14
alteregoI think people are confused, it's not my birthday, it's my _bath_ day ..13:14
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MohammadAGno we're not, nobody said happy bday :P13:15
alteregoThey have in my head13:15
crashanddie"bathday" and "birthday" are pronounced the same if you live in Australia :P13:15
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timeless_xchatcrashanddie : what, all your closest friends don't have n900s?13:25
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crashanddieno, thank god for that13:26
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alteregoHeh, I know about 6 people with N900s13:35
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pupnik_only n900s i ever saw were in finland13:41
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (dead at times) normal. Really scary is the global quiet earth syndrome, where whole IRC seems dead and you wonder if only you and infobot are alive13:50
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alteregoWell, my brother has one, he actually got it before I got one, two of his friends have them. I've got three friends that have them14:02
alteregoSo yeah, guess that's 614:02
alteregovgrade also has one14:02
alteregoAnd I've met him :D14:02
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pupnik_that's how they drive people insane, DocScrutinizer - put them in a room with nothing, no inputs at all14:05
pupnik_for years14:05
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pupnik_absolute cruelty14:05
alteregosensory deprivation14:05
alteregoYeah, that's harsh14:05
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pupnik_i appreciate having smart folks to chat with alterego - cheers o/14:07
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alteregoHah :D14:10
mecedid postinst fail in new opera installation for you?14:12
mecewoo! New opera fixed both bugs I reported :)14:13
DocScrutinizermece: aah, I wondered what the new version does14:13
mecepassoword field autocap and return in textarea14:13
mecehaha passoword! sounds japanese :D14:14
meceDocScrutinizer, so.. did the postinst crash?14:15
meceDocScrutinizer, did you install the new version of opera?14:17
DocScrutinizernothing crashed when HAM intalled update14:17
mecemine did.14:17
DocScrutinizerat least I didn't notice anything crashing14:17
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meceDocScrutinizer, well it said "couldn't install opera" so I tried with apt-get and it said it postinst script crashed, so I checked the script, which looked ok, and I ran it manually and renamed the file and then installed again (or continued installing) and everyrthing went peachy.14:18
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* timeless_mbp sighs15:53
FauxFauxSwitch to the Java implementation. *runs*15:54
ruskienever had sqlite segfault on me before15:55
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timeless_mbpyou're not adventurous enough :)15:57
ruskiehell I use it a lot15:58
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ruskieusually scripting around it with bash15:58
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timeless_mbpthis is really the first time i've tried using it16:05
timeless_mbpso far i've learned that it doesn't seem to care about types16:05
timeless_mbpi can tell it i want to store CHAR(1) and it'll merrily store "hello world"16:05
timeless_mbpor i can tell it i want to store INTEGER, and it'll merrily store "123,1,456"16:06
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DocScrutinizermaybe that's part of "lite" that your frontend needs to care about typecasts and check16:16
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DocScrutinizerkhorben_: :-D17:46
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DocScrutinizernevertheless a segfault on .dump is nasty17:49
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MohammadAG~seen Khertan18:18
MohammadAG~seen Khertan_18:18
infobotkhertan <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 20h 15m 28s ago, saying: 'just sure that it s works as i see it working on it'.18:18
infobotkhertan_ <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 36d 23h 8m 57s ago, saying: 's/most/main'.18:18
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DocScrutinizer51wtf? callendar alarm stops after some 15..20s?! :-((19:07
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Proteoushow long should it go?19:08
DocScrutinizer51basically infinte19:09
Puchatyanyone using new cssu?19:10
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fralsDocScrutinizer51: mine doesnt stop that quickly19:23
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DocScrutinizer51frals: yeah, feels kinda new and unusual to me too19:23
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DocScrutinizer51Proteous got it to the point: how long is it supposed to play the alarm?19:24
DocScrutinizer51where from is that value?19:25
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, no real info on this tmo thread19:36
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Proteousno solutions19:37
Proteousbut it could be that there is a buggy reason that the alarm is not continuing to ring, and not just a setting19:37
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epp\j #maemo-ssu19:59
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alteregoSomething has broken my scratchbox qt creator integration :(20:02
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GAN900How is it that the native IRC clients haven't managed to surpass XChat. . . .20:15
GAN900Somebody needs to get wazd on the case.20:15
RST38hXChat has been in development for a long long time20:16
RST38hnot easy to surpass =(20:16
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ProteousI <3 irssi20:17
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DocScrutinizeryeah, or use telnet to connect to freenode:5667 directly20:20
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DocScrutinizermight be an alternative to using modest as well20:21
DocScrutinizeresp for RST38h who already knows about EHLO20:22
MohammadAGXChat needs kinetic scrolling20:22
DocScrutinizerI really happy with my cursor-up/down scrolling. Works like a charm20:24
DocScrutinizerone of the really needed improvements of Xchat is: use most recently used nick on tab-completion in an empty input field20:25
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DocScrutinizerideally it would step back to second recent used nick completion on 2nd tab-completion on an otherwise unaltered imput line20:30
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DocScrutinizerextremely nifty option(!): autoinsert the last used "nick: " on each new line edit, and change tab-completion to erase-nick function. I'm undecided if I'd prefer this mode over the usual insertion of nick: only when you press "tab" (aka shift-space, for N900 xchat)20:36
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pupniki'd like tab completetion of long words in scrollback20:42
DocScrutinizer> RST38h: < [shift-space] > < [moh] > moh< [shift-space] > MohammadAG: < [test] > MohammadAG: test< [enter] > MohammadAG: < [test2] > MohammadAG: test2< [enter] > MohammadAG: < [shift-space] > < [doc] > doc< [shift-space] > DocScrutinizer51: < [test3] > DocScrutinizer51: test3< [enter] > DocScrutinizer51: <...20:43
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MohammadAGI didn't get a single word of that20:45
DocScrutinizer> this is what the xchat input field shows < [and this is kbd input]20:45
DocScrutinizerit's an example of how the above mentioned option would work20:46
DocScrutinizerbasically each [enter] sends your post (of course) but also gives you last nick used by nick-completion as the new one of next post. You can cancel this by another "tab-completion"20:48
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DocScrutinizererr nick-completion aka tab aka shift-space20:48
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: better now?20:52
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pupniknobody got TOME running eh?21:21
pupnikthat's a pretty good roguelike, with my tileset21:21
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DocScrutinizerok, calendar alarms are time limited to 10s, alarmclock alarms are limited to 60s. Task for anybody interested: where to patch these durations?21:39
DocScrutinizer(both seconds values estimations)21:40
MohammadAGalarmd or the UI binaries21:40
MohammadAGproper error handling at its best in the Qt SDK installer21:40
MohammadAG$ ./Qt_SDK_Lin64_offline_v1_1_rc_en.run21:40
MohammadAGSegmentation fault21:40
DocScrutinizeryou think that's hardcoded?21:40
MohammadAGYou'd think "Not enough freaking space to install" is a better error21:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't that synonymous with "You think it was developed by Nokia"?21:41
DocScrutinizeryeah :-S21:41
DocScrutinizerthough occasionally they had some easter eggs for us21:43
MohammadAGalso, apparently, I'm not allowed to use the Qt Notifications API legally, ha21:43
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whatwhatwhy does the media player often stop the song at random spots?21:45
whatwhatit just stops playing a lot21:45
DocScrutinizerpossibly a case where UX-designers had a fart in brain, and devels thought "ohmy, you'll get your 10s timeout, but nobody forbid I'm asking for a gconf/initfile key to override it"21:45
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DocScrutinizerI might want to strace tha crap eventually21:47
DocScrutinizeractually I'm not even shy to patch the binary :-P21:47
MohammadAGUnknown Maemo version!21:48
MohammadAGUnknown Maemo version!21:48
MohammadAGhow many Maemo versions support Qt 4.7?21:48
DocScrutinizerI'd actually also love to see a patched binary to fix that bug in logger-call and put the cellbroadcast SMS to purpose21:49
MohammadAGVenemo, Qt Creator 2.2 has the disable packaging step back \o/21:49
MohammadAGand it has packaging for "Meego"21:50
DocScrutinizer~seen jonwill21:50
MohammadAGwas spelling it right (MeeGo) hard?21:50
infoboti haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer21:50
DocScrutinizer~seen jonwil21:50
infobotjonwil <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 20d 4h 11m 3s ago, saying: 'Although I have no doubt that Microsoft does have internal servers with symbols for publicly released builds of WP7'.21:50
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VenemoMohammadAG, that's great news :)21:52
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DocScrutinizer~spell meego21:52
infobotpossible spellings for meego: me ego me-ego MEGO Meg meg Margo Meggi merge meek mega Meggy meager merger MEGOs Meggie Mg Moog ergo mg Magi Magoo Megen magi EEG ego Mag MiG mag mug meeker megs Eggo Lego meed meet memo mango Meg's meg's21:52
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DocScrutinizerme-ego seems about right spelling21:54
DocScrutinizerthough I prefer MeEgo21:55
ruskie <-- hmm21:55
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whatwhatis having the song or whatever spontaneously stop a common problem?21:59
whatwhatI'll try to search more thoroughly later on the bb22:00
MohammadAGIf anyone could give me steps to reproduce I'll happily look at what's causing it22:02
GAN900I want networked AV equipment for a reasonable price.22:02
GAN900There's no reason we need to be using IR blasters in 2011.22:02
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pupnikamiga prototypes on sale
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: incredible prices23:27
* DocScrutinizer wonders how much he might get for the Openmoko GTA03 protoboard23:28
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chxDocScrutinizer: wait 20 years and then a fortune?23:30
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MohammadAGX-Fade, achipa any ideas how we could get the CSSU in the autobuilder?23:34
MohammadAGI'm thinking we could have a metapackage, and if that's build-dep'd on then the dev can use the CSSU in it, but with a price, his app would be available to CSSU users only23:34
MohammadAGs/metapackage/dump package23:35
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