IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-04-06

alteregoHeh00:00
MohammadAGso add some other 4 minutes now00:00
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alteregoHow's your uni project going btw?00:02
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MohammadAGuni? it's for school :P00:02
alteregoOh, I thought you were at uni :P00:02
alteregoHow is your "school" project going :P00:03
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MohammadAGwell, but I'm pondering a QML rewrite for the extra eye candy00:03
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alteregoHeh00:03
MohammadAG25 days till the deadline00:03
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MohammadAGfinishing the mediaplayer these 2 days, I need to release already00:04
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alterego:)00:05
alteregoI've been so busy over the past few months I've not touched Columbus00:05
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alteregoAnd I've been super-super busy the past three weeks and barely done any work on any MeeGo/Maemo stuff.00:05
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MohammadAGwell, you have a job, I don't :P00:05
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alteregoLuckily I've almost completed this project/contract so I'm starting to get a bit more time.00:06
alteregoGonna probably take thursday and friday off from this project whils tit gets wet tested by the users.00:06
MohammadAGtit gets wet? :p00:07
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alteregoThink I'll dedicate thursday and friday to ressurecting columbus.00:09
MohammadAGheh00:09
MohammadAGalterego, just wondering, do you have any improted playlists?00:10
alteregoI keep seeing good feedback and recommendations from users on tmo00:10
alteregoMakes me feel guilty from holding back on my 1.0 release :(00:10
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alteregoHow do you mean imported? I've never really used playlists.00:12
MohammadAGneither have I, that's why I deleted the ones I had00:12
MohammadAGalterego, start the stock player, switch to playlist view, scroll down00:12
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MohammadAGdo you have anything under "Imported playlists"?00:12
MohammadAGmafw imports them automatically if you have them00:12
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E0xi have00:13
alteregoyes I do00:13
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mafw-browse-example00:13
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alteregofrom some albums that obviously have .m3u files or whatever they are.00:13
E0xexactly00:14
Khertan_n900Hello !00:14
MohammadAG./mafw-browse-example localtagfs::music/playlists00:14
MohammadAGcan you post the output of that?00:14
Khertan_n900Communi is a really a simple irc client :)00:14
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MohammadAGyeah00:15
Khertan_n900But its not bad :)00:15
MohammadAGanyone? :)00:18
chem|st_MohammadAG: I dont want it to lock after time but lock when the device is booted00:18
MohammadAGoh00:18
MohammadAGuse dbus00:18
MohammadAGand an event.d script00:18
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chem|st_MohammadAG: the setting orig_ too did at least break the 60 minutes limit00:19
MohammadAGdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:"com.nokia.mce" string:"/com/nokia/mce/request" string:"com.nokia.mce.request" string:"devlock_callback" uint32:'3'00:20
MohammadAGa quick way would be to hijack hildon-desktop's Xsession.post file00:21
chem|st_MohammadAG: I want to try reverse engineering the processes and write the docu but thanks anyway ;)00:22
MohammadAGreverse engineer mce? good luck :P00:23
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MohammadAGit's mostly open now anyway00:23
chem|st_for the quick this is ok but I think this should be an option in settings "Lock device on boot" "Lock device if SIM changes/has been removed00:23
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chem|st_dev lock is not mce but the frontend right?00:24
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MohammadAGyou mean the applet? it just changes some gconf values00:25
E0xchem|st_: that is for smscon ?00:25
chem|st_the devlock remover is mce used for calls like shutdown00:25
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chem|st_so mce is the one actualy acting00:26
chem|st_?00:26
E0xi saw the panicbutton app , and make think about a deamon that send the gps position after 3 fail code entry00:26
MohammadAGyes00:27
MohammadAGstop mce; start mce00:27
MohammadAGit asks for the password00:27
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Mr_RixaHi, is it possible to modify low battery alarm, so it would notify like on 8%00:31
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Khertan_n900Is there a way to test a upstart script on maemo before rebooting my n900 ?00:34
MohammadAGstart $scriptname00:35
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MohammadAGalterego, it seems that the UI's hanging in the constructor of a window01:08
MohammadAGwhich looks perfectly fine to me01:08
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/Y09U7iiV01:08
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drackkhello again01:10
BCMM_why on earth did Nokia just email me trying to sell an E7?01:11
MohammadAGjust in case :P01:12
Proteousheh01:12
alteregoMohammadAG: maybe your dbus adapters are hanging01:12
MohammadAGalterego, nope, everything else is working01:13
alteregoqDebug ftw :P01:13
drackkim trying to better understand flashing my new nokia n900 before i go messing with the kernel01:13
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MohammadAGalterego, commenting out all lines from the constructor also makes it hang01:14
drackkim kinda stuck at a small part at the moment. which binfiledo ineed?01:14
drackkneed*01:14
drackkwhich binfile do i need?01:14
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alteregoMohammadAG: even the initializers at the start?01:15
drackkthe global bin file ?01:15
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MohammadAGalterego, yes01:16
drackkguys ?01:17
MohammadAGwhich makes me believe it's the .ui file01:17
alteregoProbably not the constructor then :P01:17
alteregoVery unlikely.01:17
MohammadAGit is the constructor01:17
MohammadAGI wrapped some lines with qDebug()01:17
MohammadAGthe constructor part never ends/returns01:17
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alteregoSounds like something else to me.01:18
drackkcansomeone please assist me ?01:18
alteregodrackk: yes, use the global bin file.01:19
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drackkok thanks. and what is the part about eMMC and FIASCO ?01:20
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drackkwhy would i want to flash those two images ?01:21
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MohammadAG~flashing01:21
infobotmethinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware01:21
MohammadAGit's all documented nicely there01:21
drackkyes im reading that rightnow and trying to make sence of that part with emmc and fiasco01:22
xd13hey there hasn't been a cssu update in a lil bit right? because i know i haven't updated01:22
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xd13latest being 20.2010.36-2maemo1301:24
xd13i hope ?01:24
drackkyes 1.3 right?01:25
xd13well ya 1.3 but how about cssu01:25
xd13i haven't updated cssu in at least a few weeks01:25
xd13thats wut i'm trying to find out if somehow i'm missing updates01:25
drackkwhat is cssu, im new   and just got my n900 yesterday01:26
MohammadAGyes, version 1301:26
MohammadAGversion 14 should be out this week01:27
drackkcan someone clear up the part about eMMC and FIASCO? why would i need to do this part?01:28
xd13u don't need 201:28
xd13u can just get it over the air01:28
drackkok cool01:28
xd13but01:28
xd13i think its better to flash the thing fresh urself01:29
xd13and cssu is the community creating updates for the n900 even though nokia is no longer providing support01:29
xd13:D01:29
drackkoh ok01:29
drackkwhat do you mean flash it fresh ?01:30
xd13well01:30
xd13when u update its updating it01:30
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xd13when u flash the image its as if u formatted it01:30
xd13if u flash both images01:30
xd13and follow the instructions01:31
SpeedEvil~cssu01:31
infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU01:31
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MohammadAGalterego, ui->setupUi(this); <-- is causing the hang01:36
MohammadAGso the .ui file has something wrong in it01:37
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MohammadAGSigh, I give up :/02:22
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oktopus20hi folks02:35
oktopus20can anyone  tell me how to clean  swappolube from my divace02:36
oktopus20hmm anybody here02:38
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RST38hMono ported to Maemo. OMFG.04:51
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RST38h...The most frequently reported hallucination has been irregular clusters of iridescent red eyes watching from poorly illuminated areas, including the shadows of personnel, foliage, and in a handful of reports, the night sky.05:28
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pupnik_"In the future, we will have battery-powered supercomputers the size of a candy bar, with built-in high-resolution monitors, keyboards, speakers... and movie cameras"06:15
pupnik_"... and people who complain about them all day in forums"06:15
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DocScrutinizercomputer size of a candybar with built-in 40" high-res monitor - sure06:47
DocScrutinizerthe kbd also sounds like a nuisance06:47
chxDocScrutinizer: i think high res projectors built into glasses might be a solution?06:49
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pupniknow player can select spells using FN+[wertyuio]10:00
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plr_any nokians online?10:30
robbiethe1stNokians?10:30
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plr_people working for nokia10:31
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robbiethe1stOh10:32
alteregoLoads10:32
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alteregoBut why would they want to talk to you? :P10:32
plr_cause I want to know how to connect to irssi inside Nokia intra :)10:33
alteregoSee pm10:34
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alteregoBut yeah, most are in #meego and #meego-arm :)10:35
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timeless_w7ipplr: yes10:59
timeless_w7ipplr: there's an ssh gateway if you don't mind giving out ssh keys to a box, you can use it to port forward a normal ssh server11:00
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timeless_w7ipor you can try to use the https proxy to CONNECT to an ssh server (corkscrew?)11:00
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plr_timeless_w7ip: yeah I got the proxy working now11:05
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massoudhello here11:29
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massouddoes anyone has a n900 w/ ipv6 support ?11:29
timeless_w7iptechnically "yes"11:29
timeless_w7ipsince there was a Nokia Palo Alto research project which provided a ipv6 stack11:30
massoudtimeless_w7ip: and the kernel is available for flashing ?11:30
timeless_w7ipbut please note that "ipv6 support" in the realm "phones" is ambiguous and confusing11:30
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massoudi want to test a 802.11 mesh protocols that used ipv6 natively (babeld : http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/babel/)11:32
timeless_w7iphttp://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ ?11:32
massoudso I need the kernel to support the routing of ipv6 packets11:32
ruskiewell you need modules that give that to the native kernel...11:33
massoudruskie: what modules exactly ?11:34
timeless_w7ipor you could try reading the link i provided..11:35
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massoudtimeless_w7ip: I am on it just reacting to modules11:38
massoudmodules meaning not flashing a newer kernel :)11:39
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ZogGmassoud not until they are built-in11:42
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ZogGchem|st, ?11:55
ZogGif i built new kernel i need to flash with it, or i don't have?11:55
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chem|strecognized yesterday that projectmanagement used an internal password for an external website registration11:56
chem|stZogG: you can flash the kernel from inside maemo?!11:57
chem|stafair11:57
ZogGтщ11:57
ZogGok11:58
chem|stthe stack should be preinstalled11:58
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chem|stas nothingelse does a PR do11:58
MohammadAG<chem|st> ZogG: you can flash the kernel from inside maemo?!11:59
MohammadAGyes, duh :P11:59
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MohammadAGsoftupd --local -vv & flasher -k zImage --local12:00
MohammadAGI might have forgotten -f, not sure if it's needed, sue me :P12:01
MohammadAGoh and morning12:01
chem|stgood morning MohammadAG12:02
timeless_w7iphehe12:02
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chem|stMohammadAG: I still cannot figure out how that timer works as it seems to be weird as 240 gives >60min but <240min12:03
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JaffaMorning, all12:12
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chem|stJaffa: morning12:24
ZogGit's already midday lazy maemoers12:25
chem|stDocScrutinizer: guess X-Fade is to lazy to scroll for the highlighted request for me on access-list12:25
chem|st~ugt12:25
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html12:25
chem|st~UGT12:25
infobotfrom memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html12:25
chem|stZogG: ^^12:26
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ZogGchem|st, ok mommy12:27
ZogGif i use some app from not off repos, and than it gets to repos with greater version, does i get update?12:28
ZogGdo*12:28
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crashanddie_chem|st, access-list?12:47
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crashanddie_I need to stop doing that12:48
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pupnikplaying the game always costs me around 360 mA12:53
ZogGlol12:54
ZogGyou are too greedy12:54
ZogGyour wife would love you12:54
lardmanlol @ message cross posted to maemo-users and maemo-developers12:55
* lardman can't be bothered to reply "in the repositories"12:55
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ZogGlardman hey sup?12:56
pupnikyup12:56
lardmanhi ZogG12:56
lardmanand morning all :)12:56
pupnikso subtracting 110-120mA for screen, the game itself pulls about 250mA12:57
pupnikhi lardman12:57
pupnikthis bums me out12:57
pupnikone thing about games designed for PCs is power consumption wasnt an issue for them12:58
lardmanhmm, well there are certainly power saving measures one could take, but fundamentally games are a non-essential use of a portable device13:00
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lardmanthough now I think about it there are such things as PSP, gameboys, etc., so perhaps my worldview is wrong ;)13:00
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pupnikheh13:04
pupniklardman: basically the whole game updates whole screen as fast as it can13:05
pupnikcpu and power savings can be *huge* in this game since13:05
lardmanoh, no framerate limit13:05
pupnikoh you can put one in13:05
pupnikbut it still redraws everything once every x ms13:05
pupnikso restructuring the client to only update specific regions is needed13:05
lardmanwhat's the game?13:05
pupnikand only 'on movement'13:05
pupnikdaimonin13:05
lardmanso not a first person shooter13:06
lardman:)13:06
ruskiedo things only happen on movement?13:06
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pupnikhttp://www.daimonin.org/forums/daimonin-project/800x480-widget-client/13:06
pupnikruskie: pretty much - a few tiny icons do update themselves13:06
pupnikbut i'm hoping the game author gets inspired to do the revamp13:07
ruskieI would asume anythin in world to move around as well13:07
pupniki'm focusing on playability13:07
pupnikyup13:07
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lardmanah I see, an isometric tile based game13:07
pupnikhttp://i.imgur.com/P5BH5.jpg  most recent screenshot13:08
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pupniki got all the game graphics upscaled via hq2x :)13:08
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lardmanandre__: no glib comment, you were very kind to him :)13:18
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: I guess X-Fade doesn't look at his IRC client or simply ignores me, as I queried him with same suggestion13:44
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MOUDHey all14:35
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drackwhy would one need to flash the eMMC ?14:38
lardmanupdate the stuff that's on there?14:39
lardmanplace Meego on it?14:39
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: nvm14:44
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DocScrutinizerdrack: frequently to fix a corrupted filesystem14:55
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DocScrutinizerfsck.vfat tends to take hours and more often than not fails to fix in the end14:56
DocScrutinizeron eMMC14:56
MOUDHow can I add support for LEAP Security?14:56
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mecehey is Nicolai from tmo ever here?14:58
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Termanagood morning14:59
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MOUDmorning15:01
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meceHello hello15:02
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meceis there a problem with the repos currently?15:04
drackDocScrutinizer im about to flash my n900 so do i need to flash eMMC or not?15:12
DocScrutinizerdrack: that clearly depends on what you want to accomplish15:13
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drackif i make changes to the kernel15:13
drackhow do i restore it?15:14
DocScrutinizerchanges to kernel don't require flashing of VANILLA/eMMC15:14
drackok good15:14
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drackiwant to put on neopwn15:14
drackand bleeding edge wifi15:14
DocScrutinizerdrack: simple way: flash COMBINED15:14
DocScrutinizerdrack: more involved method, flash the original kernel and modules15:15
DocScrutinizerthen you want to flash COMBINED to reset kernel and rootfs to original state15:15
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DocScrutinizeras neopwn clearly isn't only kernel but also the whole (root-file)system changes15:16
drackwhat is combined? the methode?15:17
DocScrutinizer*COMBINED* is the filename of the corresponding fiasko image15:17
drackRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM    ?15:18
DocScrutinizeryo15:18
drackyes?15:18
DocScrutinizeryes15:18
drackk15:18
drackso then i run this   ? flasher-3.5.exe -F  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R15:20
DocScrutinizeryes15:20
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DocScrutinizerinfobot: ping16:22
infobot~pong16:22
pupnikafternoon DocScrutinizer16:22
DocScrutinizerhi pupnik16:23
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pupnikpraise the creator for giving us the choice between virtue and vice16:24
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MOUDHow can I add support for LEAP Security (wireless network)?16:28
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pupnikdunno moud16:29
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MOUDpupnik: thats ok, lets hope that someone can help me.16:32
Venemo_N900MOUD: what's the matter?16:34
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MOUDThe wireless connection in the company requires LEAP Security to connect to it (it uses a Username/Password). The problem is that N900 doesnt support LEAP (it's not in the list of supported security).16:35
Venemo_N900mhmm16:35
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phaphi all16:37
MOUDhey phap16:37
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Venemo_N900hello16:37
phaphi MOUD16:37
phapdon't worry I have no questions today16:38
MOUDhehe16:38
phapbut anyway I can maybe learn something16:38
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ping16:38
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trxDocScrutinizer regarding hostmode, once vbus boost is on and usb device is connected, is there any "event" i can catch that will tell me that the device is registered? (other that manually checking dmesg output)16:44
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DocScrutinizernot afaik16:44
DocScrutinizerudev16:44
DocScrutinizerbut that's after enum16:45
trxshould there be any pause between vbus boost and enum or can i execute them without any pause between?16:46
DocScrutinizerthere reasonably is quite some pause16:46
RST38hWell. Moorning all.16:46
trxmorning16:46
DocScrutinizerthough you can repeat enum as often as you like, and also it will keep trying for a while afaik16:47
DocScrutinizersorry, I'm quite dizzy atm, so might be not of much help16:47
trxso i can run enum in a loop with few secs sleep time16:47
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trxand wait for udev signal?16:48
DocScrutinizerI guess you could, modulo my last post16:48
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DocScrutinizerwhere "few seconds" is like 3016:48
DocScrutinizeras some devices are really slow16:48
trxdidnt know that, ty for the tip16:49
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trxalso, i've seen in some dmesg outputs that if i select the wrong device speed, it "complains" about that in the output16:50
trxis that everytime? could that be used to make auto selection of the speed?16:50
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trx(i mean for every device or i just got lucky with that output)16:51
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DocScrutinizersee - usually the USB controller would create an IRQ when a peripheral gets connected. Due to the forced-host trick we (have to) use and the implied limitations this IRQ will never come16:51
DocScrutinizer(autoselection) that'S been the plan16:51
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: is there some wikipage that tells what the trick is and why it is necessary?16:52
trxhow did you plan to implement autoselection? using the method i asked about or is there a better method?16:52
DocScrutinizerthough honestly I consider to change that to providing this nfo via a more convenient channel (cat /sys/*/*/musb/state?) than via dmesg16:52
DocScrutinizer:-) ^^^16:53
trxyeah :)16:53
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DocScrutinizerpolling dmesg for new lines is a major PITA16:54
E0xlol16:54
trxexactly :/16:54
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E0xDocScrutinizer: and Qtmobility guys will be happy16:54
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DocScrutinizeryeah16:55
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DocScrutinizermatches their take on approaching kernel domain things16:55
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DocScrutinizerwell, it's not that bad, as the time we have to poll for hostmode is rather limited to a few seconds after starting vboost16:56
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trxyes, but it would be "nice" not to use it at all16:58
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ZogGhey my nation17:34
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ZogGMohammadAG, hey ping17:40
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/06/nokia_concept_phones/ <-- hehe17:49
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pupnik"and i think to myself, what a wonderful world"18:00
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* SpeedEvil realises the n900 product page in the UK store has gone away - not just saying 'no stock'.18:06
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pupnikfor every thing there is a season, SpeedEvil18:13
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: same on german nokia webshop18:27
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DocScrutinizersome 2..4 weeks ago actually18:28
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piggz_anyone want a space invaders game for n900?  what i have so far took 2 evenings of qml20:19
piggz_http://www.piggz.co.uk/pgz-spaceinvaders_0.0.6_armel.deb20:20
DocScrutinizer\o/20:20
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dagblardman: ping20:26
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pupnikanybody know how to enable backlight+screen from command line?21:00
pupniki keep tapping the screen and that feels primitive21:00
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: dbus-send21:06
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html21:07
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pupniknice DocScrutinizer21:07
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pupnikwell Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_display_blanking_pause" with signature "" on interface "com.nokia.mce" doesn't exis21:09
pupnikstill nice idea21:09
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MohammadAGalterego, ping22:08
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piggz_new version with fixed dependencies, and levels http://www.piggz.co.uk/pgz-spaceinvaders_0.0.7_armel.deb22:20
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alteregoMohammadAG: yessir?22:27
MohammadAGalterego, another stacked window broke and is hanging the UI, I didn't make any changes :/22:28
MohammadAGgit diff shows no changes on the file, at all22:28
RST38hMohammad: BTW, modified Modest appears to hang on some emails22:28
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RST38hs/hang/crash sorry22:28
MohammadAGyeah, there are bug reports on that22:28
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alteregoYeah, UI is single threaded.22:30
alteregoDo you have any multithreading in your application?22:30
MohammadAGalterego, no, it used to work before22:31
alteregoIs it always breaking?22:31
MohammadAGyes22:31
alteregoHmm,22:31
MohammadAGCPU goes to 80%+22:31
alteregoDoes your app have any multithreading?22:31
MohammadAGno22:31
MohammadAGit doesn't need it22:31
alteregoHmmm,22:31
alteregoHave you been running it through gdb?22:32
MohammadAGyes22:32
MohammadAGdidn't see anything wrong22:32
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MohammadAGand again, I made no changes22:32
alteregoI'm guessing you did a make distclean and build from scratch as well?22:33
MohammadAGyeah, thought of that22:33
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RST38hMohammad: Found CSSU Bugzilla. Left two bugs there. Sorry in advance for adding to the workload =)22:39
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vi__yo22:39
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MohammadAGalterego, so, any thoughts?22:46
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alteregoMohammadAG: not currently, :/23:02
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MohammadAGha, fixed it23:40
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E0x?23:42
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Venemohey MohammadAG, I've been trying to ping you for a few days23:47
MohammadAGalterego, was making too many instances of MafwSource23:47
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MohammadAGVenemo, sup23:47
VenemoMohammadAG, care to answer to pm? :P23:48
MohammadAGVenemo, sorry if I don't reply for some time, I'm lagging like shit23:50
Venemonp MohammadAG :)23:50
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