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| divansantana | Anyone have an idea on how to hack your phone so you can save to /home/user/* and not MyDocs. The "HildonFileChooserDialog"(I think) only says Nokia N900(/home/user/MyDocs) or Memory Card. This is useful to change after a repartition | 00:06 |
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| yacc | divansantana, as a hackish solution that comes to mind would be ln -s /home/user /home/user/MyDocs and mounting MyDocs somewhere else? | 00:10 |
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| divansantana | yacc: thanks,Hmm thats an option.. Otherwise I might umount MyDocs and simply mount /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM as the vfat partition, since I only need vfat for camera app I think | 00:14 |
| yacc | divansantana, probably only if you want to access it from a host as a vfat filesystem? | 00:14 |
| yacc | I don't think that vfat offers that much over native filesystems. Possible but I don't think overly so. | 00:15 |
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| divansantana | apparently the camera app doesn't work in ext3 | 00:16 |
| divansantana | only reason i kept vfat | 00:16 |
| divansantana | I don | 00:16 |
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| divansantana | i dont mind regarding accessing it via usb host | 00:16 |
| divansantana | i'll try my suggesting and see how it goes thanks :) | 00:17 |
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| timeless_w7ip | uacc: supporting cameras and host mode isn't "important"? | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yacc: divansantana bindmount | 00:18 |
| * timeless_w7ip thinks those are quite valuable | 00:18 | |
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| yacc | DocScrutinizer51, yeah, that's even better. :) | 00:18 |
| yacc | divansantana, what you probably need is MyDocs => many apps are configured to stuff data in there by default, ... | 00:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | divansantana: why do you need files in ~ ? | 00:19 |
| divansantana | supporting camera is important, host usb connect for me isn't since I copy most data over wifi. | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | symlinks seem not working on FAT | 00:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | fat doesn't have a concept of symlinks... | 00:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | FAT = much compatibility | 00:20 |
| divansantana | because I repartitioned my memory so 27G is ext3 /home/user and 2 G is vfat /home/user/MyDocs as per wiki | 00:20 |
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| FIQ|n900 | no other adventages | 00:20 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer51, well, yes, vfat does not have a concept of inodes, the metadata is stored directly in the directory entry too, only one timestamp value with 2-seconds precision, and so on, ... | 00:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | fiq: simplicity is an advantage | 00:20 |
| divansantana | did this so I can use kontact touch and store all my local mail which doesn't work on vfat and stores mail in ~/.local/share/akonadi | 00:20 |
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| yacc | DocScrutinizer51, but this is rather stuff that will make apps requiring unix semantics fail on fat fs, but seldom make apps that expect vfat fs to fail on unix fs. ;) | 00:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | why won't mail work on vfat? | 00:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 00:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | you could make ~/.local a symlink into MyDocs | 00:21 |
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| FIQ|n900 | can't you symlink the other way around at least? | 00:21 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer51, the only thing that comes to mind, vfat is semi-case-insensitive, I have to admit that I have no idea how the Linux vfat.ko handles that, ... | 00:21 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i.e. from ~/foo to ~/MyDocs/foo | 00:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | ~/foo to ~/MyDocs/.private/foo | 00:22 |
| divansantana | akonadi doesn't start on vfat . | 00:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | "start"? | 00:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | you don't run programs from vfat | 00:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 00:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | vfat doesn't have executable flags | 00:22 |
| divansantana | akonadictl start fails. | 00:23 |
| yacc | timeless_w7ip, well, some classical pattern for non-locking safe access to files rely relatively strong on Unix semantics, e.g. everything that fails on NFS might fail on VFAT too. | 00:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | IIRC, it will be "always on" or "always off" (or maybe always off?) | 00:23 |
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| yacc | timeless_w7ip, actually that's a question of mount options, but yes, usually it makes no sense. | 00:23 |
| yacc | timeless_w7ip, vfat has no concept of access rights (e.g. executable), hence these come from the mount option. | 00:24 |
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| yacc | Wonder if the RadioTime client can be made to call a different player. Actually a script that inserts the URLs into the normal media player database would be enough, ... | 00:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 00:25 |
| yacc | RadioTimeToGo is to jumpy with alternative streams. Seems the chances to get a really dead stream url are much better if you jump on problems, instead of just reopening the existing url, ... | 00:26 |
| yacc | sigh. | 00:27 |
| FIQ|n900 | Autocapsing is pretty annoying sometimes (i've it turned off nowdays) | 00:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | yacc: why are you telling me this? | 00:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | does it sound like i don't know this? | 00:30 |
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| timeless_w7ip | does it sound like i care? | 00:30 |
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| FIQ|n900 | There's only one way to (temporary) disable it in a context, that is, by holding shift when typing it (as shift will do lower letters when caps is on). No matter what you do, the setting will not go away (like on usually phones if you temporary want it off). | 00:30 |
| yacc | timeless_w7ip, wrong addressing ;) | 00:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | yacc: please be more careful | 00:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | I ended up shutting off it completly | 00:31 |
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| yacc | FIQ|n900, well, actually, you can also type in 2 letters, and backspace the first one :-P | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | that was what i meant with <FIQ|n900> I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 00:32 |
| yacc | FIQ|n900, lol, my solution too, I turned it off :) | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you are aware shift will uncapitalize autocaped first chars? | 00:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes | 00:36 |
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| FIQ|n900 | but only if holded | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | just pressing will not actually work | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not that it sucks less when knowing/using this | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | (as i expected it would) | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | and that doesn't really make sense | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I disabled all that shit | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | auto-* | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eat it! | 00:37 |
| FIQ|n900 | I went into settings for text input and just unchecked everything except autocapsing | 00:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | I though it would be useful | 00:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | but w/o any good way to dodge it, I turned it off as well | 00:38 |
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| timeless_w7ip | heh | 00:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | auto complete isn't bad w/ auto comp editor | 00:40 |
| yacc | Well, I guess we are all slightly the hardware keyboard type of user, or we would be using a different device, ... | 00:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | yacc: well | 00:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | #maemo supports the 770/n800 | 00:40 |
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| timeless_w7ip | both of which don't have hardware keyboards | 00:40 |
| yacc | Better a better keyboard than all kinds of magic that bites one in the posterior :) | 00:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | and also very old | 00:41 |
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| yacc | timeless_w7ip, well, and I wondered how I could turn off the softkeyboard, ... | 00:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | and not commonly used anymore | 00:41 |
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| timeless_w7ip | yacc: there's a checkbox in text input to do that.. | 00:41 |
| yacc | Good idea ;) | 00:42 |
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| yacc | timeless_w7ip, :) it has been already disabled, and seems like I do not need to open the keyboard when plugging into USB, ... | 00:43 |
| yacc | :) | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | knightstalker: you might want to set up auto-authenticate, or disable nameserv enforce | 00:44 |
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| yacc | timeless_w7ip, well, autocomplete does not handle my usecase which includes using different languages with different people ;) | 00:48 |
| yacc | timeless_w7ip, German/English are similar but not THAT similar ;) | 00:48 |
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| timeless_w7ip | yacc: dual dictionary? | 00:49 |
| yacc | And how do I use that? | 00:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's a check box for it in text input | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ctl-space *should# handle this, but seems is buggy | 00:49 |
| yacc | Yeah, I know, but there is no documentation how to use it ;) | 00:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | in theory it should complete from both ... | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's simple: forget it | 00:50 |
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| RST38h | Ctrl+Space does not change physical keyboard language. It is broken by design. | 00:52 |
| RST38h | To make it change things, set second language to Russian, then modify the keymap. Yes, it is the only way [sic] | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I found friggin autocomplete slows my typing down by factor 3 while causing double the keystrkes, blus migraine | 00:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: Switch it off? =) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you doon't think I used autocomplete last or this year, do you? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | In fact it got disabled bfore battery had one full charge cycle :) | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | autocaps took like 6 weeks to die | 00:56 |
| RST38h | No, I don't... | 00:56 |
| RST38h | Hm, another tmo busybody asking for removing others' "privileges" | 00:57 |
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| jigrap` | is it possible to force reflashing of my n900? | 01:15 |
| jigrap` | i run the flasher and it doesnt do anything it just boots into the phone | 01:16 |
| jigrap` | I want to wipe out the install and do a fresh flush | 01:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does the USB port on your phone work normally? | 01:20 |
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| jigrap` | got it nvm | 01:22 |
| jigrap` | yea | 01:22 |
| jigrap` | for some reason it was rebooting itself | 01:22 |
| jigrap` | it will show the nokia sign | 01:22 |
| jigrap` | for a few seconds then reboot itself | 01:23 |
| jigrap` | i think i fixed it by taking out the battery | 01:23 |
| jigrap` | and letting it sit for a bit | 01:23 |
| jigrap` | now it seems to be flashing | 01:23 |
| jigrap` | not sure if it will clear everything | 01:23 |
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| jigrap` | bummer it seems to have flashed it but the contents didnt get deleted | 01:27 |
| nid0 | what contents | 01:27 |
| jigrap` | my customizations and stuff | 01:27 |
| jigrap` | and all the apps i installed to it | 01:27 |
| nid0 | it didnt flash then | 01:28 |
| jigrap` | also it still has my pin | 01:28 |
| jigrap` | -F fiasco.bin -f -R ? | 01:28 |
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| ShadowJK | There are two flashing images. One flashes the rootfs, which only contains the operating system, no settings or user files are stored there. The other image flashes the emmc, which contains user settings and files. Pay attention to the instructions: if you flash emmc you must also flash rootfs image | 01:28 |
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| jigrap` | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin its the one I used | 01:29 |
| Clmbr | halo | 01:29 |
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| jigrap` | I guess I need the emmc one too | 01:30 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess you could use a site such as pastebin.com to show us the output of your flashing attempt | 01:31 |
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| jigrap` | sure, http://pastebin.com/rwmDJMSn | 01:34 |
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| jigrap` | I'm trying the emmc one now | 01:43 |
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| jigrap` | the emmc didnt work either :( | 01:47 |
| jigrap` | i mean the process completed but it kept my settings | 01:47 |
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| ShadowJK | very weird | 01:49 |
| jigrap` | actually everything is gone but my pin | 01:49 |
| jigrap` | i was assuming everything was there because it kept my pin | 01:50 |
| jigrap` | my bad | 01:50 |
| jigrap` | sorry about this | 01:50 |
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| ShadowJK | pin is stored in the sim card | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | lock code isn't erasable by flashing | 01:51 |
| jigrap` | no sim i think its the lock code | 01:52 |
| jigrap` | ahh ok | 01:52 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wishes you could Thank! mailing list posts. http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003847.html | 05:56 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: Just move. =) | 06:01 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, had a high of 79°F today and I wasn't filmed by any government cameras on my way to work. | 06:02 |
| GAN900 | Also: no state income tax. | 06:03 |
| GAN900 | I'll stay, thanks. :P | 06:03 |
| RST38h | 80oF here as well. Sucks. | 06:04 |
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| mece | \o | 09:27 |
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| mece | alterego, man, there's no way in hell you can live up to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980953&postcount=84 | 09:52 |
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| crashanddie_ | Guest1766, enough with the stupid namechanging | 10:20 |
| chx | crashanddie_: that's the client + nickserv | 10:20 |
| crashanddie_ | chx, like I care? | 10:21 |
| chx | crashanddie_: the client tries to assume knightstalker it's a protected nick so nickserv kicks back to guest* | 10:21 |
| chx | crashanddie_: i have seen stupid enough clients getting into an infinite loop over it .... | 10:21 |
| crashanddie_ | thanks, and now he can fix it | 10:21 |
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| timeless_w7ip | chx: i'm with crashanddie_ on this | 10:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | the user should get a new nick or be banned | 10:26 |
| crashanddie_ | GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!! | 10:27 |
| * timeless_w7ip offers feathers | 10:27 | |
| timeless_w7ip | BYOT (bring your own tar) | 10:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | you have the choice of gnu tar or bsd tar :) | 10:27 |
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| timeless_w7ip | you could try busybox tar, but it may be incompatible w/ my feathers :) | 10:28 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, you seem to know shit about iOS, can baseband 3.10.01 be unlocked? | 10:39 |
| crashanddie_ | baseband wut modafuka? | 10:40 |
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| MohammadAG | iPhone 4 modem baseband :P | 10:40 |
| crashanddie_ | No idea | 10:40 |
| crashanddie_ | Funky http://jtnimoy.net.nyud.net/workviewer.php?q=178 | 10:41 |
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| drack | hello | 11:12 |
| zaleb | Hay drack leuk dat je wat zegt | 11:12 |
| drack | imenglish | 11:12 |
| drack | english | 11:12 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:12 |
| drack | hi im wondering how i backup the rom | 11:13 |
| drack | do i use the backup restore settingin settings? | 11:13 |
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| pupnik | open browser, tap screen, wait two days.... food arrives!!! http://i.imgur.com/hSeNz.jpg :D | 11:14 |
| pupnik | delivered right to my doorstep! :) | 11:14 |
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| ruskie | lazy much | 11:25 |
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| drack | hello ruskie can you help me? | 11:25 |
| ruskie | not really | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 11:26 |
| drack | Doc can you help? | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? | 11:26 |
| drack | hi im wondering how i backup the rom | 11:26 |
| drack | do i use the backup restore settingin settings? | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no rom | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | backup/restore app is what you need | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 11:26 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:26 |
| drack | what if i want to restore to default kernel | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 11:26 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:26 |
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| drack | my n900 is unlocked . what will affect its unlockedness? | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie_: getting worse with people like nuknuk being awake again | 11:47 |
| chem|st | drack: what do you mean by unlocked? | 11:48 |
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| chem|st | operator unlocked? | 11:48 |
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| chem|st | autolock, security lock, screen & kbd lock.... | 11:49 |
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| drackk | my carriier is unlocked | 11:53 |
| drackk | orthe gsm is unlocked | 11:53 |
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| drackk | its unlocked so i can use any carrier | 11:56 |
| drackk | ? | 11:56 |
| drackk | hello? | 11:56 |
| chem|st | drackk: wont lock itself in a mysterious way will it? | 11:56 |
| chem|st | patience little padawan | 11:56 |
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| drackk | no i mean if i restore the firmware will it? | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 11:58 |
| crashanddie_ | drackk, why would it? | 11:58 |
| drackk | if i change the kernel will it? | 11:58 |
| crashanddie_ | no | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO | 11:59 |
| drackk | ok cool | 11:59 |
| chem|st | drackk: why should it? and you do not restore the firmware like in "restore back to what was on a locked device" you will flash a normal new untouched firmware to it and you are good | 11:59 |
| chem|st | (no carrier ever touched) | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for UK ;-P | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's not an iPhone | 11:59 |
| drackk | oh | 11:59 |
| * Treibholz is testing Nitdroid... | 12:00 | |
| Treibholz | hi chem|st | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 12:00 |
| chem|st | hi Treibholz | 12:00 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: you are trying the bright side? | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burrp* | 12:00 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: stay with us in the dark, we have cookies and can make phonecalls^^ | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:01 |
| Treibholz | Android is running better on the n900 than Meego... Thats so embarrassing... | 12:01 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: I hate phonecalls! :-) | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't buy tincans! | 12:01 |
| chem|st | or even reep-cord | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | for (int x = 0; x < ui->playlistList->count(); x++) <-- that should iterate over all items right? | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: very poor coding I'd guess | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | err, how? | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | playlist->count might be *heavy*, and gets executed for each iteration aiui | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | it isn't heavy | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you dunno | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | actually, I do know :p | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 12:04 |
| drackk | http://nokian900.tv/backup-and-restore-on-n900 | 12:04 |
| drackk | is this like flashing? | 12:04 |
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| chem|st | no that ti backup and restore | 12:05 |
| drackk | oh like just files | 12:06 |
| chem|st | drackk: we try to keep it simple! what is your problem? | 12:06 |
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| chem|st | drackk: you tell me your problem and I help you get rid of it, deal? | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:06 |
| chem|st | drackk: that way we keep out silly questions and you googling BS out of the internets | 12:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, time in milliseconds to get the count of all items in a 700-item list, 0ms | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: why aren't you on access list? | 12:07 |
| chem|st | all you need is written down in the wiki (even typos get updated there^^) | 12:07 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I have no idea | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I suggest an addition to access list | 12:08 |
| drackk | no problem i just want to be sure i know how to restore to default kernel if i messup putting on a different kernel like for wl1251 bleeding edge wifi | 12:08 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm guessing the confusion is from iPhone terms | 12:08 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: never asked for it as always some "rather" good people are around... | 12:09 |
| MohammadAG | "Restore" means reflash back to factory settings | 12:09 |
| MohammadAG | (in iTunes that is) | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we're running short on 'good peaople' always being around | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | drackk: please read complete "updating the firmware" wikipage | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 12:11 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:11 |
| chem|st | in iFsckYou world this means you get imprisoned again, in maemo world this might fix a briked device or borked settings but wont lock the front door | 12:11 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: t.m.o is running short on good people... but in here? there is always one of I guess us 4 I can tell | 12:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tmo always been short on admins who care | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd need like 500 | 12:12 |
| pupnik | tmo has an ignore feature, but it is hard to find | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | it should be right next to every post | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | here I see chanops vanish, like stskeeps, GeneralAntilles is a rare visitor, crashanddie_ as well..., even x-fade is hard to find | 12:13 |
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| pupnik | MohammadAG: it's not a good way to code a for loop. If your count is invariant for the duration of the loop, store it in a variable first. | 12:14 |
| pupnik | in fact i thought for loops required the parameters to be invariant | 12:14 |
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| chem|st | pupnik: it does not help me moderate when I ignore dumb people | 12:15 |
| pupnik | MohammadAG: if you want to test for a value that can change at any time, a "while" loop is the right way | 12:15 |
| pupnik | chem|st: i didn't realize you were a moderator | 12:15 |
| chem|st | supermod actualy, makes it even worse | 12:15 |
| pupnik | what does that job pay? | 12:16 |
| Termana | lol | 12:16 |
| chem|st | lol | 12:16 |
| chem|st | pays off with less sleep and more coffee in my vains | 12:16 |
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| pupnik | you don't actually have to *read* t.m.o. do you? just respond to complaints? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | sometimes you have to read the bs to understand what is going on, then you start of to go on single users and pick off their last 18 posts then you recognize that they where covered by another 25 by other ppl | 12:18 |
| chem|st | and so on | 12:18 |
| chem|st | and yesterday I couldn't hold myself and started giving infractions | 12:19 |
| chem|st | first response was a "thank you, moderation is needed here, keep up the good work" | 12:19 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 12:20 |
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| chem|st | it is sad to see that noone is ever interested in cleaning it up | 12:21 |
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| chem|st | there is so much noise | 12:21 |
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| chem|st | my requests for access to the brainstorm backend never proceeded further than me writing it | 12:22 |
| drackk | what do i use to reflash the usb cable? | 12:22 |
| chem|st | drackk: yes | 12:22 |
| drackk | sweet | 12:22 |
| chem|st | drackk: read the damn wiki page as DocScrutinizer told you! | 12:22 |
| drackk | iam | 12:23 |
| chem|st | good! | 12:23 |
| chem|st | sorry bit tempered today | 12:23 |
| drackk | its cool | 12:23 |
| chem|st | less sleep more coffee is not a solution | 12:23 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: your tmo nick is joerg_rw?! | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrright | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 12:26 |
| * chem|st switches on the recorder | 12:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I earned a ban? please pretty please ban me from tmo :-P | 12:27 |
| chem|st | *klick* and you want to be a supermod and are aware of email floods? | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | +cough* | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never touch tmo | 12:28 |
| chem|st | I take that as a yes, rrrright? | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | virtually never | 12:28 |
| pupnik | chem|st: the best way to clean up t.m.o is allow users to ignore all posts by certain people more easily | 12:28 |
| * chem|st switches off the recorder | 12:28 | |
| chem|st | damn | 12:28 |
| chem|st | pupnik: no it is not | 12:28 |
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| alterego | mece: :D | 12:28 |
| alterego | Forgot I said that | 12:29 |
| chem|st | the best way is to have some "good" people who read it anyways moderate subsections | 12:29 |
| pupnik | what does moderate mean? | 12:29 |
| pupnik | you can't moderate a stupid person | 12:29 |
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| pupnik | they will make stupid comments, always | 12:29 |
| chem|st | delete/edit/ban/move | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | HIM: x11FilterEvent( _HILDON_IM_SURROUNDING_CONTENT ) is not supported <-- wtf | 12:29 |
| pupnik | surely you don't think that this is a good idea | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG :-) | 12:30 |
| chem|st | pupnik: moderators arent seen as you did not know I am supermod... | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, I vote for DocScrutinizer to become a mod | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | (that was the question right? :P) | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK | 12:30 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: yes! | 12:30 |
| pupnik | chem|st: the answer is to give me, as a t.m.o. user the ability to ignore stupid people | 12:31 |
| pupnik | you can not fix stupid people, chem|st | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | no no no | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | peeps, there's no use in a mod that gets allergy when touching forum | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | the answer is to disallow posting if you have less than 5 posts | 12:31 |
| pupnik | ? | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: lol | 12:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | how do you get your first 5 posts? | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, that's the point, you don't | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: MORNING! | 12:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | gimme a break, i probably underslept again | 12:32 |
| * timeless_w7ip goes out | 12:32 | |
| pupnik | cheers | 12:32 |
| chem|st | lol | 12:32 |
| pupnik | if the system is set up well, it doesn't require many interventions | 12:33 |
| chem|st | some settings need to be changed yes | 12:33 |
| chem|st | but not reporting stupidness does not help me banning those idiots | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, is Qt Mobility 1.1 or 1.2 stable enough to be in the CSSU? | 12:34 |
| pupnik | well perspective of a user is different from that of a moderator | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | s/is/are | 12:34 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: they are tons more stable than the 1.0.2 that is in the current one | 12:35 |
| achipa | not to mention that you multimedia and location stuff is unusable in 1.0.x | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, so should I include them? I doubt the official SSU will ever have the updates | 12:36 |
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| MohammadAG | (though tbh, it would be better if the official SSU had them, since that's enabled by default) | 12:36 |
| pupnik | chem|st: wouldn't flamewars be less likely if people could ignore each other? or do flamewars occur because people *want* to flame | 12:36 |
| pupnik | s/could/could_more_easily | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you're free to set mod++ on my tmo account, but I doubt it will help a lot on tmo at large | 12:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my mail client will hopefully handle the +3% of mail to move to some new subfolder and mark as read ;-D | 12:37 |
| chem|st | pupnik: "want" to! | 12:38 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: I would include them. Rule #1 - never ever wait for the official SSU :) It would be best if we could update that directly, but alas... | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, then how do we allow extras-devel to build against the new Qt packages? | 12:39 |
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| achipa | 'big' qt is not that critical at the moment, I would think we should ride it through with libqtm-11 (those will be pushed to Extras soon TM) | 12:41 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: and hopefully we could get them into the MADDE rootstrap as an easter egg so it would be pretty transparent | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, so we're stuck with CONFIG += libqtm-11? | 12:42 |
| achipa | CONFIG += mobility11, but yes (still a small price to pay IMO if that means that we get out-of-the-box compatibility with the QtSDK) | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke QtMobility | 12:43 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at QtMobility ... B☢☢M! | 12:43 | |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, so I shouldn't bother with including new QtMobility in the CSSU? | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | if that's going in extras | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | though I'm sure all devs would prefer to have one set of qtmobility packages, instead of libqtm-*, libqtm-11-*, and libqtm-12-* | 12:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please consider CSSU MUST NOT render official SSU broken! | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 12:45 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 12:45 |
| MohammadAG | it isn't | 12:45 |
| MohammadAG | Qt is ABI compatible when you're going forward | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 12:45 |
| MohammadAG | so suppose we include Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, 4.7 binaries will still work, but not the other way round | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, always been. Sure | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | (which is what happened when the updated Qt in the builder but not the devices) | 12:46 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: harryF said that "always" starts with 4.7 :) | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also point of CSSU is to bring fixes to joe luser, not serve as devel/testing repo for new libs. So Qt4.8 in CSSU has exactly *ONE* justification: IF and only IF Qt4.8 is fixing some "elementary" bugs in 4.7, *for the system and apps you can get via official SSU, and possibly update via CSSU* | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's not getting 4.8, but 4.7.2 | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | and that has lots of bug fixes we need | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok then | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | also, achipa says the current 4.7.0 is an RC, not a final release | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | just make DAMN SURE it doesn't introduce *new* bugs | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | why did I delay the update by a week? | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm just saying, not criticising | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I know :P | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite probably you're well aware of all this | 13:00 |
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| MohammadAG | well, I was the one who complained for a whole week about bugs introduced in Qt 4.7 in PR1.3 | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I recall that | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've just a hard time leaving QtMob bashing mode, after that filesensor WTF of a few days ago | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to make grep browse match only browse, and not browse_result? | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | grep --help isn't that helpful, and busybox grep is probably crippled | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | grep browse matches browse and browse_result | 13:03 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: our danger with the Qt update is actually that some applications might be relying on the bugs | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I want to match the exact string "browse" | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, sure, grep for "browse " | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, sure, grep for "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!) | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh wut??? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | my PC acting up | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!) | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn!! | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "browse\[\[:space:\]\]" (check syntax!) | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiotic autoreplace/autotext | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | where might I find autolock delay? | 13:06 |
| chem|st | mean the bare config | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | nope, not working | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce.ini? | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, mce.ini | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, or gconf | 13:07 |
| chem|st | mmh?! not gconf? | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: your suspicion about messybox ""grep"" been quite to the point | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: umm, dunno | 13:07 |
| chem|st | I found the devicelock_autolock_enabled boolean... but not the delay | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd search mce.ini first, then gconf :-) | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: autolock is tied to tk_lock afaik | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I want to see what the stock player's browsing | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | the messages that are send/received on DBus are browse and browse_result | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG | the result one includes about 700 songs, thus making it hard to scroll back and read the browse part | 13:09 |
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| MohammadAG | dbus-monitor --session | grep -A 10 "member=browse" <-- if I add a space, I get no results at all | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: maybe not, I recall sth like "lock after 30min", even "60min" | 13:10 |
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| MohammadAG | #define GCONF_KEY_DIM_TIMEOUTS GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY "possible_display_dim_timeouts" | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-" | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-] | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | #define GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY "/system/osso/dsm/display/" | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what sets that ^ | 13:11 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I lock after 60 but would like something like "never" but "true" | 13:11 |
| chem|st | is the tklock key considered to be the menu key? | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: MohammadAG posted several gconf keys relating devicelock recently | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, something sets that key | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | <short>Possible timeouts for display dimming</short> | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | <long>This key contains the allowed values for display dimming timeout. | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: remember? we discussed if reflashing resets the autolock-enabled | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | normal gconf schema sets it | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | wait, I'm a bit lost now | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, are we talking about tklock or device lock (with a code and all) | 13:15 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: devlock | 13:15 |
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| chem|st | has nothing to do with tklock (was just asking about what the tklock-switch actualy is) | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | then ignore every gconf key I mentioned, sec | 13:16 |
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| chem|st | [1|root@cassiopeia|~]find / -iname devlock | 13:17 |
| chem|st | /var/lib/gconf/system/systemui/devlock | 13:17 |
| chem|st | that is the boolean | 13:17 |
| chem|st | or there is only a boolean | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock/autolock_period | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | is what you want | 13:17 |
| chem|st | ah applet (wtf) | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | int, minutes, 1000 = disabled | 13:18 |
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| chem|st | why does 1000 disable? | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | seems like invalid = disable | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | wow, stupid applet | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for your convenience | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | it stores the previous setting, and if you cancel the dialog it sets that again | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | instead of just storing it locally | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, how stupid | 13:21 |
| chem|st | ehrm wut? | 13:22 |
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| drackk | so how do i get files from pc to n900? | 13:23 |
| chem|st | so actualy not int but byte (I do not get why people name stuff or use variables that are useless) | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: see gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock - orig_* | 13:23 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: usb ssh webserver | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ?? | 13:24 |
| chem|st | so it is actualy setting "off" twice, once by boolean and once by an invalid period | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sry | 13:24 |
| chem|st | drackk: usb ssh webserver | 13:24 |
| drackk | on windows? | 13:25 |
| chem|st | yeah | 13:25 |
| drackk | whats it called | 13:25 |
| chem|st | drackk: usbmassstorage should give you a device letter or two | 13:25 |
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| drackk | no | 13:26 |
| chem|st | make sure you have all apps closed so MyDocs is not busy or it will not export drives | 13:26 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: appletactive = false | 13:26 |
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| drackk | ok worksnow | 13:27 |
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| drackk | working | 13:27 |
| chem|st | I am wondering what happens if I set that true | 13:28 |
| chem|st | drackk: ;) | 13:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1 | 13:28 | |
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| user_ | Hey guys! Im on a N900 and I cant save attachments. Theres no save attach in my email menu even though the attachment icon is visible in the index page. | 13:31 |
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| drackk | im in mass storage mode where the heck is my documents folder | 13:31 |
| drackk | ? | 13:31 |
| user_ | Can you recommend a way to work around or fix this bug or should i just switch MUAÄ | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | drackk: .documents | 13:32 |
| drackk | oh | 13:32 |
| drackk | cool thanks | 13:32 |
| user_ | This is preventing me from both viewing and saving attachments. | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user_: could you click and hold the attachment icon? | 13:33 |
| chem|st | drackk: there are some .xxxxxx folders mapped to what you see as Documents Audio Files et.al. | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | drackk: that's a Nokia invention to make life more easy for you :-P | 13:33 |
| drackk | i dont know what you mean | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | never mind | 13:34 |
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| drackk | pk | 13:35 |
| drackk | ok | 13:35 |
| user_ | Doc: nope | 13:35 |
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| user_ | the only menu in the index page is delete and mark as unread | 13:35 |
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| user_ | basically, this bug makes my mua useless to me. i need a working modern imap mua, if i can replace the default broken one im ok w that too | 13:36 |
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| MohammadAG | * DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1 | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | that has other values (1-4), lemme find the thread | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | it's undocumented though | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | touching the settings once makes the orgi_devlock 60 (was 1000) | 13:40 |
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| user_ | i tried claws but its not very finger friendly, is there any other imap mail client on maemo? | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | if the link's not working (can't refresh it) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61201#61201 | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cool, thanks | 13:42 |
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| chem|st | user_: tapping the attachment opens it WFM; save attachement from menu WFM | 13:43 |
| chem|st | user_: what kind of attachemnt is it | 13:43 |
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| pupnik | https://developer.mozilla.org/@api/deki/files/2922/=skewed-google-sample.html << skewing webpages with html | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: seems this depends a lot on type of attachment | 13:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: mutt... | 13:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah just found one not accessible | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | is mutt fingerfriendly? | 13:52 |
| chem|st | sure | 13:52 |
| khorben_ | if your fingers are on a keyboard, no problem | 13:52 |
| chem|st | just map the common keys to the xterm bottom and you are good ;) | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, tbh I never felt like managing my mail on N900, so I have no real clue | 13:53 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ssh me@server -> screen -> mutt|irssi | 13:53 |
| khorben_ | I may port my embedded e-mail client to maemo, but it's pop3 only atm | 13:53 |
| chem|st | what does modest upstream do? | 13:54 |
| chem|st | is there any progress? | 13:54 |
| khorben_ | http://www.defora.org/os/download/download/3487/DeforaOS-Mailer-01.png | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | if anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PHVfTUe | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | how automatic playlists in the stock player work | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | modest upstream progress? MUHAHA | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG | actually, modest is 3.4 on PR1.2, 3.90 upstream | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | and that's what the CSSU includes | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3* | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's great! will you put it on wiki, lazy bugger?! | 13:56 |
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| * ruskie wonders if he is supposed to get any email confirmation for access to extras-devel upload | 13:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (playlists that is) | 13:57 |
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| drackk | requested operation requirerssuper user priveleges | 13:59 |
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| drackk | and i typed sudo gain root | 13:59 |
| drackk | dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb requested operation requires super user priveleges | 14:00 |
| drackk | but i tped sudo gainroot | 14:00 |
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| drackk | what am i doing wrong? | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | type id | 14:01 |
| drackk | ok | 14:02 |
| drackk | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | install rootsh in app manager | 14:03 |
| drackk | huh? | 14:03 |
| drackk | k | 14:03 |
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| drackk | how? | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bth you frequently want to use `root` instead of `sudo gainroot` | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither of both will work if rootsh package not installed | 14:05 |
| trx | hello | 14:06 |
| zaleb | Hay trx leuk dat je wat zegt | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | drackk: hope you arew prepared to reflash *frequently*, as rootsh gives you power to fsckup system a lot | 14:06 |
| trx | DocScrutinizer any news about headset signals? | 14:06 |
| drackk | how do i get it into app manager? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | zaleb: official warning! you're under bot evaluation now! We need a statement so you will pass Turing test | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | zaleb: this is a test with timeout | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zaleb: failing test will result in you getting kickbanned | 14:08 |
| trx | hello | 14:08 |
| zaleb | Hay trx leuk dat je wat zegt | 14:08 |
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| trx | :) | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: not yet | 14:09 |
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| chem|st | drackk: menu (top left corner) - App. manager | 14:10 |
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| trx | btw, turns out, i cant use usb to parallel to control individual data lines without some ugly hardware work-arrounds :/ | 14:11 |
| drackk | i dont see rootsh in app manager | 14:11 |
| trx | so i decided to use usb direcly with PIC18F4550 | 14:11 |
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| trx | but i have to wait at least a week for it :/ | 14:12 |
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| trx | turns out you can literaly do anything with the n900 | 14:13 |
| trx | it can cook lunch :) | 14:13 |
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| drackk | no rootsh dude | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 make me coffe! | 14:13 |
| trx | that will be my next project :) | 14:14 |
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| trx | shouldnt be too hard, even for me :) | 14:14 |
| drackk | what is maemo5? | 14:16 |
| trx | seriously? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo5 == fremantle == the current N900 official OS | 14:16 |
| drackk | oh then i should upgrade? | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't have any non-5 maemo on N900 | 14:17 |
| FIQ | hm | 14:17 |
| drackk | maemo5 is in app manager though | 14:17 |
| FIQ | nice when you get highlights but when the line is gone from scrollback | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an update of maemo5-PR1.0xy to probably maemo5-PR1.3 | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, you probably should update that | 14:18 |
| drackk | k | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster that SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D ) | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/that /than / | 14:20 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D ) | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shaky net? | 14:28 |
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| pupnik | heh | 14:29 |
| * pupnik is trying to understand how this game is updating to screen | 14:30 | |
| pupnik | it refreshes the whole screen every frame, when only a few pixels are animated | 14:30 |
| pupnik | so it really should be a good candidate for portable play | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | since it doesn't need to update much | 14:31 |
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| drackk | how do i get rootsh ? | 14:31 |
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| MohammadAG | may I suggest you read the manual? | 14:34 |
| yacc | drackk, you put extras in your repository list, and install the package of your choice. Alternatively google it? | 14:34 |
| drackk | rootsh then whats the repo | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | the repo is enabled on all N900s post 1.1 | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | read the manual or google it | 14:35 |
| drackk | and where is the repo lists on the n900 | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but drackk has 1.0 :-P | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | then upgrade | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-05 13:20:45] <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D ) | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's the (irssi?) /foo bar boo cmd to "hide join/nick events"? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | /partymode yup ?? | 14:39 |
| ruskie | /ignore * JOINS NICKS | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnks | 14:39 |
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| MohammadAG | real0m39.290s | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | user2m1.450s | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | sys0m8.200s | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | mediaplayer build times ^ | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | hey RevdKathy | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: my konversations seems doesn't act too nicely on /ignore * (whatever) | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | wwoohoo RevdKathy long time no see | 14:44 |
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| user_ | my 3g connection is shit | 14:45 |
| user_ | i dont know if i got any replies | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 14:45 |
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| user_ | i still cant view or save attachments in maemo. same email works fine in thunderbird, sylpheed and mutt | 14:46 |
| user_ | it seems to be rfc compliant. how to fix this bug? | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user_: MohammadAG stated about modest upstream is 3.9 instead 3.4 | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | he's also getting segfaults for no reason | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt this is going to fix a lot of modest borkedness | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-05 13:48:16] --> jayne hat den Kanal betreten (~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne). | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-05 13:48:16] <-- jayne hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood). | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems freenode has a fun time today | 14:49 |
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| trx | haha | 14:49 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, has had it for most of the last two days | 14:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses Konversation for obviously not providing any user cmd or toolbar shortcut for "[X] hide JOIN/QUIT/NICK evens" in settings | 14:54 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually whole KDE is (and always has been) flawed regarding kbd-hotkeys for stepping thru treeview selectors like in Konversation's settings dialog | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* and [X]checkbox | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/ and / any / | 15:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: as well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* any [X]checkbox | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess that's OT here and should go to #kde | 15:02 |
| range | act | 15:02 |
| range | Grr. | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, the . is nice :-) | 15:02 |
| range | Sure. Always form complete sentences. Even when using onomatopoeia. | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonono, I won't search wikipedia for onomatopoeia | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's the sound the Onomatopeia bird makes. | 15:06 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, easy, it's the scripted representation of a sound | 15:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, "Tic tac" is the onomatopoeia of a clock | 15:06 |
| crashanddie_ | "Woosh" is the onomatopoeia of this conversation going over redneck's heads. | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure, gathered as much. But I seem to recall funny things on wikipedia about it | 15:07 |
| user_ | doc: is it available in maemo repos? | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | lol, my first attempt at playlists resulted in 7602981 songs :) | 15:09 |
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| user_ | i cant use my phopne to handle email, its near useless to me with this bug | 15:09 |
| user_ | so a sollution is much appreciated, if available | 15:09 |
| chem|st | !moan | 15:10 |
| chem|st | ~moan | 15:10 |
| infobot | ohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh....... | 15:10 |
| crashanddie_ | user_, get a real nickname, and port some decent email client to maemo, I'd say | 15:10 |
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| user_ | crash: i dont understand, maemo has no working mua now? | 15:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | mua? | 15:12 |
| crashanddie_ | Mail user agent? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mail user agent | 15:12 |
| user_ | yes | 15:12 |
| crashanddie_ | is that the nerd speak for "mail client"? | 15:12 |
| crashanddie_ | Anyway, things seem to be working relatively OK through IMAP, but it's a network hog | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | user_: xchat has a pretty easy config menu, to set up proper nickname and real user name | 15:13 |
| user_ | i guess | 15:13 |
| crashanddie_ | dunno about your specifics, only read your moaning and extrapolated from that | 15:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | oh, good memories that one | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, modest is notorious to be crap | 15:13 |
| crashanddie_ | The last one who pulled that joke on me is still banned IIRC. | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | what joke? | 15:14 |
| crashanddie_ | "/nick arealnick" | 15:14 |
| arealnick | thats not my problem though. my phone doesnt handle email w attachment is my problem. | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:14 |
| arealnick | what is this "modest"? | 15:14 |
| crashanddie_ | You mean as in bug #10206 | 15:14 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10206 Email Attachment not visible if multipart/alternative mime types present | 15:14 |
| scoobertron | crashanddie_: An mua can be more lightweight than a mail client - it doesn't necessarily handle sending or receiving mail. | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | it's the default "MUA" | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tend to set user_ on banlist | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | not *this* particular user_, but the nick | 15:15 |
| arealnick | mohammad: yes! that is the problem | 15:15 |
| crashanddie_ | that wasn't MohammadAG, that was me. | 15:15 |
| crashanddie_ | Also, l2g | 15:15 |
| arealnick | l2g? | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | learn to google | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | wtf string "(|(&(!(genre~audiobook))(!(genre~podcast)))(genre=))" | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, is that one of *my* tickets even? | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | didn't we fix that in the CSSU? | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | "This has been fixed in package | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | modest 3.4.7+0m5 | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | which is part of the internal build version | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | 2010.28-7 | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | (Note: 2010 is the year, and the number after is the week.)" | 15:16 |
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| MohammadAG | or add it, then reverse it | 15:17 |
| crashanddie_ | "The problem reported here should be fixed in the update that was released today | 15:17 |
| crashanddie_ | for public: The Maemo5 update version 20.2010.36-2 (also called "PR1.3" | 15:17 |
| crashanddie_ | sometimes)." | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmpf no. not reported by me, though I noticed it like in january 2010 | 15:17 |
| arealnick | can i upgrade to that package version? | 15:18 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, what PR are you running? | 15:18 |
| arealnick | PR? | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo version | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings -> about | 15:19 |
| arealnick | hang on | 15:19 |
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| MohammadAG | mafw playlist stuff is fucking retarded/non-human readable | 15:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer plays hangman | 15:20 | |
| arealnick | 20.2010 36 | 15:20 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, it is? | 15:20 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, I thought it was OK | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, explain this to me | 15:20 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, you still haven't released? | 15:20 |
| arealnick | -2 also at end | 15:20 |
| chem|st | bingo | 15:20 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, this is a filter, string "(|(genre~\2Aaudiobook\2A)(genre~\2Apodcast\2A))" | 15:21 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, and? | 15:21 |
| arealnick | i have updated every time it asked me | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | what does it mean/represent? | 15:21 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, it's a filter on the type audiobook or podcast | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: yyou might want to check modest version | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | and yes, I still haven't released, the january release deadline was impossible :P | 15:22 |
| crashanddie_ | it wasn't impossible | 15:22 |
| crashanddie_ | you had everything you needed bru | 15:22 |
| crashanddie_ | Even if january was impossible, we're april | 15:22 |
| arealnick | doc, sry i just use the phone dont know much about it | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, I have other things to do | 15:23 |
| arealnick | theres no working email client in my current version, right? | 15:23 |
| crashanddie_ | No you don't, you're a student! | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, last year at high school :p | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | I think we do stuff in that year | 15:23 |
| crashanddie_ | well, that stuff obviously wasn't as important as the media player | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: modest is really what the name suggests: modest in regard of features | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | regardless | 15:24 |
| arealnick | how do I update to modest? | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | it's done now, except playlists | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | automated playlists | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | saved ones are done | 15:24 |
| arealnick | oh its a program? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, yeah | 15:24 |
| crashanddie_ | automated playlists? | 15:24 |
| arealnick | aha. replace the nonworking mua? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: modest is the stock MUA | 15:24 |
| arealnick | Oh. Ok. I cant find any updates for it in the app manager | 15:25 |
| crashanddie_ | because there aren't? | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, recently played, most played, never played, etc | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mediaplayer] > cat `find -name "*.cpp" && find -name "*.h"` | wc -l | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | 9642 | 15:26 |
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| arealnick | i dont get it. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: crashanddie_ quoted (from that bmo ticket) that the problem you are facing is supposed to be fixed in modest 3.4.7+0m5 which should ship with your current PR | 15:26 |
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| arealnick | let me check the version | 15:27 |
| arealnick | it says 3.4.8+0m5 | 15:27 |
| arealnick | and its still broken | 15:28 |
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| arealnick | i havent had working email since switching to n900 from my old decade old phone (symbian, it had working email) | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: most users consider modest to be crap | 15:29 |
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| arealnick | it is obviously. email w mime isnt exactly new. you cant sell a smartphone wo it today | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never bothered to find a better MUA, heard some users prefer claws | 15:30 |
| arealnick | well, nokia can obviously | 15:30 |
| arealnick | claws is useless w fingers. | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's definitely no replace... duh said that before | 15:31 |
| arealnick | i like everything else, but i really need email | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-05 12:50:53] <DocScrutinizer> user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects | 15:32 |
| arealnick | why cant nokia make a usable mua? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | "all aspects" includes "fingerfriendly" | 15:32 |
| arealnick | they been around on phones since 2000 | 15:32 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, because Nokia abandoned the N900 and Maemo over a year ago? | 15:33 |
| arealnick | android, iphone, older symbian all have it | 15:33 |
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| arealnick | thats not a valid point since it never worked for me | 15:33 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, now, please get on google and start reading about the phone you just bought. You have questions, go answer them yourself | 15:33 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: what are you missing? | 15:33 |
| Treibholz | IDLE? | 15:33 |
| arealnick | email w mime has been around since forever, even MS manage to make a wrking mua for winmoo 6.5 | 15:34 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, once you're ready, you can come back, but please stop festering in this channel, understood? | 15:34 |
| * Treibholz never had a real problem with modest (except the missing IDLE) | 15:34 | |
| pupnik | well it's a valid complaint, there's just limited options | 15:34 |
| crashanddie_ | and he doesn't want to discuss those options, he's just yelling at us asking why nokia didn't do this or that | 15:34 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: we can't help beyond stating wat we already did. modest is crap, there's nothing (yet) that is better in all aspects | 15:35 |
| arealnick | crash: u can understand my frustration after replacing a decade old phone i bought for 20$ w this one and it doesnt even handle mime | 15:35 |
| crashanddie_ | I do understand it | 15:35 |
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| arealnick | ok doc | 15:35 |
| crashanddie_ | but this is a community channel | 15:35 |
| crashanddie_ | and there really isn't much we can do, we're not Nokia | 15:35 |
| Treibholz | and Nokia won't change anything. | 15:35 |
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| arealnick | such a simple and common thuing | 15:36 |
| pupnik | use the console, luke! | 15:36 |
| arealnick | if this was some exotic jingle implementation i would be more understanding | 15:36 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: I haven't understood your problem, yet. | 15:36 |
| arealnick | but no mime in 2011 is really bad | 15:36 |
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| * pupnik points to the n900 keyboard. use! | 15:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: I'm sure you'll earn title "maemo hero of the month" if you just go and adapt a decent MUA to be fingerfriendly | 15:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | pupnik, Vador goes to Luke and says "I know what you will get for Christmas" Luke "No, it's impossible", Vador: "I do know what you'll get for Christmas", Luke "No, you can't know!", Vador: "Luke, I have felt your presents" | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: ...as we are all aware modest is crap, and nobody hopes for Nokia doing anything to improve it | 15:37 |
| arealnick | trei: the default mua cant handle mime multipart | 15:37 |
| pupnik | HAHAHAH | 15:37 |
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| Treibholz | arealnick: a more painfull thing is, there is no way to sync the PIM-data. | 15:38 |
| arealnick | i have never used any mua that didnt before. | 15:38 |
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| Treibholz | arealnick: ok, what does that mean? | 15:38 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: I never had a mail I couldn't read. | 15:38 |
| arealnick | treib: i need to view attached images and possibly a pdf | 15:39 |
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| arealnick | or save them | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this usually works, but not for mails formated e.g. by iphone | 15:40 |
| arealnick | treib: i dont think i can solve it anyway | 15:40 |
| arealnick | doc: doesnt matter if they follow rfcs | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I found like 14 months ago | 15:40 |
| arealnick | ive parsed these emails before thinking there was an error, but no. its this mua thats broken | 15:40 |
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| Treibholz | arealnick: I can open attached Files... | 15:41 |
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| Treibholz | no problem... | 15:41 |
| arealnick | doesnt help me | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes. modest refused (IIRC) do show and cope with attachments embedded in a multipart-mixed html part | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: GAN900's here most of the time. :P | 15:42 |
| Treibholz | works perfectly here. | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:42 |
| Treibholz | I can open the attached PDF in a multipa/alternativ Mail which has HTML and TXT | 15:43 |
| arealnick | treib: good for u | 15:43 |
| arealnick | i cannot | 15:43 |
| Treibholz | sent by outlook. | 15:43 |
| Treibholz | with proper mimetypes. | 15:44 |
| arealnick | this mail has proper mimetypes too, im sure | 15:44 |
| arealnick | last time i checked | 15:44 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: but you may send me a test-mail. | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: yes, unless this multipart/alternative got sent by iPhone which soes some weird thing that breaks just on modest | 15:44 |
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| arealnick | also claws does open it fine on phone too | 15:44 |
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| Treibholz | arealnick: treibholz-arealnick(at)uxix(dot)de | 15:45 |
| arealnick | treib: cannot, this isnt public information | 15:45 |
| arealnick | i only use this phone for work. | 15:45 |
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| Treibholz | so, you cannot reproduce it either? | 15:46 |
| crashanddie_ | then get a real phone from work | 15:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | don't tell me they don't provide blackberries or something? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: the failing mail has proper mimetypes too, but a flawed nesting | 15:46 |
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| arealnick | treib: no, all I know is that emails that follow standards and can be opened in mutt, thunderbird, outlook, iphone, android, symbian, etc do not work on my N900 | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES | 15:47 |
| arealnick | crash: i was thinking htc | 15:47 |
| arealnick | galaxy something? | 15:47 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: then send me such a mail. | 15:47 |
| arealnick | but i got this just a year ago | 15:47 |
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| arealnick | treib: i cant. i dont have any w public info | 15:48 |
| crashanddie_ | arealnick, seriously, gtfo. | 15:48 |
| crashanddie_ | You don't want help, you don't want solutions, you just want to bitch and moan | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: chill! though I sympathise | 15:48 |
| arealnick | how so? | 15:48 |
| Treibholz | arealnick: so just because you have ONE broken mail... | 15:48 |
| arealnick | treib no this is not the first | 15:49 |
| arealnick | so far every time i got it, i could not open | 15:49 |
| mece | Aaaaahahaha LOL http://translate.google.com/#en|fi|Girlicious | 15:49 |
| Treibholz | always from the same user? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: are you listening to what I posted to you? | 15:49 |
| arealnick | doc: can you explain the nested problem? mime supports nested parts | 15:50 |
| crashanddie_ | I deleted a very nasty sentence. | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES, but modest doesn't | 15:50 |
| arealnick | ok. | 15:50 |
| arealnick | treib: no not always | 15:51 |
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| arealnick | treib: however, last time i examined the raw email and could not find a flaw in it | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arealnick: compare sender MUA tags | 15:52 |
| arealnick | treib: its obiously a bug in the mua, supposedely fixed, but isnt. i dont think theres much more to say/test. | 15:52 |
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| arealnick | Doc: i appreciate the help but im gonna take crash's advice and forget about it | 15:53 |
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| chem|st | re | 16:56 |
| chem|st | Helium is fun stuff (at least without oil dust...) | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 17:04 |
| chem|st | cryocompressor adsorber change | 17:05 |
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| chem|st | and I needed to vent the used adsorber 2L He @ 1500kPa | 17:06 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: so devicelock locks after 60minutes even with set to 240 | 17:28 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: how is your nitdroid doing? | 17:29 |
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| chem|st | T-offline is back again | 17:30 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:31 |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/5dxhF.jpg << Aaron Barr LMAO | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: change orig_* crap as well - you never know | 17:32 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: orig changes itself... | 17:32 |
| chem|st | will try... waht is the max number? | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: of course unless it works with value set to e.g. 2 but not with values >60 | 17:33 |
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| chem|st | yeah... again something nowhere documented... | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | considered 'date -s "now + 58 minutes"'? | 17:35 |
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| chem|st | ? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool-2 -set /foo/bar/timeout uint:60 && sleep 5 && date -s now+0:55 | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: assuming it's boring to wait for >1h to see if device actually blanks | 17:39 |
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| chem|st | does not work | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-/ hmm, thought it'd be worth a try | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea how kernel's timers actually are implemented | 17:52 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: needs too much battery and is too slow from the MicroSD. | 17:52 |
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| Treibholz | chem|st: but really fast compared to meego... (and some things are even faste than maemo) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought I've seen screen dim and lock inadvertedly when I ran some time adjusting tool | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually not, just tested->doesn't work this way | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think kernel has a jiffies_since_boot plus an offset to form a proper time as in ticks since epoc from that. Timers might work on jiffies_since_boot while setting time just corrects the offset constant | 18:04 |
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| poep | wtf? | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | poep: problems? | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man 7 time seems to confirm this | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, learning new things every day: cat /proc/timer_list | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | Moorning, Doc | 18:37 |
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| chem|st | morning RST38h | 18:38 |
| RST38h | hello chem|st | 18:38 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: the fact that you are mostly tied to the G is a big turnoff | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/timer_list|grep -A 1 bme :-S | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | piece of c*ap | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | ah you are so damn negative... | 18:43 |
| * RST38h wondering where he can get a non-SDHC SD card nowadays,on a very short order (an hour) | 18:43 | |
| pupnik | funny how the n900 charges but the charging light doesn't come on | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Well - if you can collect, you can have my 1G card. | 18:43 |
| chem|st | RST38h: <2GB == SD!HC | 18:44 |
| RST38h | I know | 18:44 |
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| chem|st | even 2GB is SD!HC | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Unless they started making them all SDHC just in case | 18:44 |
| chem|st | I doubt it | 18:44 |
| chem|st | they just call it sdhc | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Also, I *think* the device uses SPI-mode access to the cards, so even SDHC might work | 18:44 |
| chem|st | maybe some tiny cards are | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | chem: SDHC actually does not simply mean bigger capacity. There are some changes to command set and addressing involved. So, yes, you may have a <=2GB SDHC card, in principle | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet there are | 18:46 |
| chem|st | sure but you just don't need it for a 2GB chip | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | uBoot doesn't boot systems on SDHC | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | on FR | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | used to not... | 18:46 |
| RST38h | you have got the same controller chips anyway | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess it's fixed now | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Doc: A well behaved card should fall back to SD mode. At least my model does :) | 18:47 |
| chem|st | well if they changed the design to sdhc and just swapped the chips for size then it is all sdhc | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: obvioulsy they can't | 18:48 |
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| chem|st | my usbstick doesnt | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard there are issues in addressing format | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: But the real fun starts with SDIO. Do you know for example that Linux will not use any flash memory on the SDIO card? | 18:48 |
| chem|st | ? | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: no, when it is operating in the SD mode, the addressing should happen in bytes, like in all SD cards, not in 512-byte blocks as in SDHC | 18:48 |
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| chem|st | get an sdio controller is the first trick | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's fine for cards small enough so you can actually address in bytes | 18:49 |
| chem|st | I was looking into wifi sdio cards for dslr but you need an sdio capable controller to set it up... | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean there's a reason for SDHC | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I got plenty of 512MB uSD here ;-D | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Doc: As I said, the main change in SDHC vs SD is the block addressing | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Doc: But the card should fall back to byte addressing if the high-capacity feature has not been negotiated with the controller | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and calypsoFW flashing via uSD works on uSD but evidently not on uSDHC, with FR NOR uBoot | 18:52 |
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| RST38h | Ah, now you are talking | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | though on both cards we flash same MBR/partiton table and rootfs | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | of IIRC 256MB size | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Anyway, looks like I will have to go out buy the damn card =( | 18:53 |
| RST38h | The u- and m- in uSD/mSD mean nothing, just the size | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm aware of that, dude | 18:54 |
| RST38h | The "+" in MMC+ though makes a big difference | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | had a lot of fun getting a µSD->miniSD adapter for N810 | 18:55 |
| RST38h | ahhahaha | 18:56 |
| RST38h | cheaper to buy a separate card. | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | useless as that can't go to any of my other mobile devices | 18:56 |
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| chem|st | all my µSD cards shipped with both adaptors yet | 19:03 |
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| chem|st | and there were cheaper than bulk ones | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bought like 3 otherwise useless 1GB cards that came with both adapters | 19:03 |
| * RST38h looks at Doc meaningfully: any 1GB card would spare him a trip to RadioShack now | 19:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: how about that: I plug that card to my desktop PC and you remote mount it ;-D | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ask paul fertser, he for sure has some small SD cards as well | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wait, Radio Shack? I gather you're not @home | 19:08 |
| RST38h | No, US | 19:09 |
| RST38h | I have got some older cards back in .RU,but need to do some work here | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, tbh, instead of wasting time trying to see how to change it, I'd disable it completely and make a daemon that sleeps for $time then locks the device | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah, good point | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just such a daemon needs to sense all activities that are supposed to reset the lock-timeout timer | 20:00 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Nasdaq shift to lighten Apple's weighting" | 20:06 |
| crashanddie_ | Am I the only one who misread that the first time? | 20:06 |
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| OkropNick | how can I execute program while logged as root with 'user' privilages? | 20:13 |
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| yacc | OkropNick, as on any Unix/Linux: | 20:15 |
| yacc | OkropNick, su -c "program argument argument" user | 20:15 |
| OkropNick | yacc: thanx | 20:16 |
| yacc | OkropNick, for the N900 it's really useful to have an Ubuntu or Debian host (or at least VM), so you can read man pages or stuff. OTOH man pages should be googleable. | 20:17 |
| OkropNick | I don't even have Windows, only Linux | 20:17 |
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| OkropNick | It not helped me. I need to run command from fcron that is sending text message, but probably root can not privilages to write to my x session or something. I'm trying to use 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"some text" uint32:0 string:"OK"' - but i have error ''Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: (null)" - any | 20:26 |
| OkropNick | hints? | 20:26 |
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| luke-jr | )#%* | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | just got a SMS from T-Mobile: "Sidekick data services will end of 5/31 and all data on phone will be lost. Please call 611 to discuss options for new data services." | 20:37 |
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| OkropNick | ok, i found solution. command should be run with user privilages. | 20:52 |
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| OkropNick | anyone knows how to change sound volume from command line? | 20:52 |
| jacekows1i | pasomething | 20:53 |
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| jacekows1i | it's pulseaudio shit | 20:54 |
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| vldcnst | I think you need pulseaudio-utils | 20:57 |
| rm_work | there's a version of Carman for N900 right? >_> | 20:58 |
| rm_work | time to search... assumed it would be in extras, but not showing up :( | 20:58 |
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| OkropNick | thx, I'll check it | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OkropNick: run-standalone.sh <cmd> | 21:16 |
| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: what's that? | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | OkropNick: root doesn't ahve access to user's session bus | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | setting volume also done via dbus-cmd to mafw iirc | 21:17 |
| OkropNick | oh, thanks. I found that 'su - user commandname' is enough for me, but I'll check your sugestion too | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - will log in to the user, so environment gets restored completely. run-standalone.sh restores env without changing user aiui | 21:18 |
| OkropNick | mhm | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll find ots of useful dbus cmds at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume | 21:22 |
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| xd13 | i got so upset when I went to maemo.org on april 1st, i knew it was a joke before even looking at the specs | 21:28 |
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| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: thanks, that's exactly what I need :) | 21:31 |
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| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: Not working for me. Am I doing something wrong? dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:10 variant:uint32:50 | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | string:10? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | string:volume variant:uint32:10 !! | 21:38 |
| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: you're right, thanks | 21:40 |
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| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: Last question. Now I know how to SET volume, but how to GET actual volume? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | refresh your wikipage | 21:42 |
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| OkropNick | thank you | 21:48 |
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| rm_work | lol maemo had an april fools day thing? :P | 22:07 |
| rm_work | i missed it | 22:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | A fake device. | 22:11 |
| rm_work | lol yeah | 22:12 |
| rm_work | k | 22:12 |
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| pupnik | with 4 rows and 3 bindings per key, you can have a ton of things | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Chording only 4 keys gets you around a million keystrokes. | 22:14 |
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| pupnik | anybody smart want to help me fix-up this game client :/ | 22:22 |
| pupnik | i didn't get anything done today | 22:22 |
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| pupnik | n810 keys are painful | 22:46 |
| pupnik | presssssss presssssssssss | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, do you know of a way to see where an app is hanging? | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | besides adding a shitload of qDebug()s :) | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | 11380 11367 root R 14876 6.0 93.1 /usr/local/bin/mediaplayer <-- holy crap, must be some infinite loop | 23:09 |
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| alterego | Certianly looks like it. | 23:12 |
| alterego | I'd run it through a debugger | 23:13 |
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| trip0 | strace it | 23:14 |
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| nox- | or attach gdb? (if that works on n900) | 23:17 |
| trip0 | should work | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not crashing | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | it's hanging | 23:17 |
| nox- | yeah you may find out where its stuck then | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | how, the only commands I know are r, bt, and q :P | 23:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | bt and c are what you want | 23:18 |
| nox- | or det instead of c (detach) | 23:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | well plus something to send SIGSTOP | 23:19 |
| nox- | i think gdb does that when you attach it... | 23:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | nox: not the goal | 23:20 |
| troulouliou | hi i m i missing something but i can not see gcc package in apt-cache search ? | 23:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | you want to basically use 'bt' to get sample stack traces | 23:21 |
| nox- | ah right | 23:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | troulouliou: you need to enable a tools repo or something | 23:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | maemo.org has documention in a devel section | 23:21 |
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| troulouliou | think i have all thse strange | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | how do I detach the app when I'm already running it? | 23:22 |
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| nox- | attach/bt/detach or attach/bt/c/signal/bt/c/... | 23:22 |
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| GNUtoo | hi, what's the CONFIG_ associated with the proximity sensor? | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CONFIG_? | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as in build_my_kernel config? | 23:37 |
| GNUtoo | yes | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC, it's a generic GPIO | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | much like kbd_slider or tkLock_switch | 23:39 |
| GNUtoo | ok | 23:39 |
| GNUtoo | thanks a lot | 23:39 |
| GNUtoo | I wonder where it got added in the more recent kernels | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | path in sysfs? | 23:40 |
| GNUtoo | maybe I'll look | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "/sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state" | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | is path in sys | 23:41 |
| GNUtoo | I'll look | 23:41 |
| GNUtoo | thanks a lot!!!! | 23:41 |
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| troulouliou | hi my rootfs is full again after installing gcc , where can i free any mor space | 23:51 |
| alterego | uninstall gcc | 23:53 |
| troulouliou | na move /usr/include | 23:54 |
| alterego | Personally, if I wanted gcc in, I'd do it in a chroot | 23:54 |
| alterego | Probably a maemo chroot | 23:55 |
| * MohammadAG uses one | 23:56 | |
| MohammadAG | a pita for Qt apps, they take ages to compile | 23:56 |
| alterego | Yeah | 23:57 |
| alterego | Probably quicker to do it on my server with madde then scp it to the N900 over 3G :P | 23:57 |
| alterego | I've done that before. | 23:57 |
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| troulouliou | alterego: how that in a chroot ? | 23:58 |
| cehteh | hehe anyone port distcc to the n900 and let us build compiling cloud :P | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, even 2G :p | 23:58 |
| alterego | troulouliou: _that_ isn't in a chroot, I'm just saying if I wanted offline compilation on my N900 I'd do it in a chroot on a micro sd or the emmc. | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | my mediaplayer builds in 40s, with make -j4 | 23:59 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: that's not bad at all | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | (on a quad core PC running @ 2.4GHz) | 23:59 |
| alterego | What are you on about? :P | 23:59 |
| alterego | Oh right | 23:59 |
| alterego | How long on the N900 then? :D | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | 4 minutes as of two months ago | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:59 |
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