BCMM | kwtm: huh? | 00:00 |
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DocScrutinizer | I'm using Konqui all the time to access sftp://root@N900 | 00:00 |
kwtm | Hmm... you seem to be implying that the laptop's interfaces can each have a different IP address, and I do seem to recall that it can be connected wireless and wired with two different IP addresses. So the USB connection itself will be assigned another IP address, and I just tell my laptop what it is, and it'll start responding from the USB? | 00:00 |
BCMM | kwtm: i dunno, just saw that it was mentioned in the kde commit digest. don't actually know what they changed. | 00:01 |
DocScrutinizer | kwtm: your laptop probably has TWO NICs | 00:01 |
BCMM | kwtm: yeah, different interfaces do typically have different IP addresses | 00:01 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Glad to hear that sftp:// is working. Right now it would not be feasible for me to change all my scripts, though, and they seem to be working otherwise. | 00:01 |
DocScrutinizer | one default eth0 or whatever, plus the USB | 00:01 |
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BCMM | kwtm: yeah, fish:// will work fine; just perform slightly less well | 00:01 |
BCMM | fish only requires standard utilities; i.e. it's basically just running cat on the server for you | 00:03 |
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BCMM | and sftp uses an extension to the ssh protocol especially for this sort of thing | 00:04 |
DocScrutinizer | o.O | 00:04 |
DocScrutinizer | ~wtf fish | 00:04 |
infobot | Gee... I don't know what fish means... | 00:04 |
BCMM | DocScrutinizer: the fish:// protocol... | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer | got that much | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer | nfc | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer | smells ;-P | 00:05 |
BCMM | nfc about what? | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer | never heard about digital fish | 00:05 |
kwtm | Does that mean I need to put "auto usb0 ;iface usb0 inet static ; address 192.168.2.15 ;netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 192.168.2.14" and all that into the laptop /etc/network/interfaces file, too? | 00:06 |
DocScrutinizer | except for friggin crypted IRC | 00:06 |
BCMM | like i said, it's like SFTP, but without special server-side support | 00:06 |
BCMM | so it's just logging in with ssh and running commands at a shell for you | 00:06 |
kwtm | fish:// is FIle over SsH transfer --basically, it just logs into a shell and then sends files by doing real shell commands like "cat >filename". Available anywhere you can get a shell prompt. | 00:06 |
DocScrutinizer | kwtm: Too? not exactly. Only there | 00:06 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer: By "too" I mean that the N900 already has this in /etc/network/interfaces. But my laptop does not. So this should be reproduced at the laptop end also, and then I reboot? (or kill 1 or whatever the politically correct thing to do is) | 00:07 |
DocScrutinizer | on N900 it at least should look marginally different | 00:07 |
kwtm | that was copied directly from the N900 file. How should it be modified for the laptop? Oh... address is .14 instead of .15. But what's the "gateway"? | 00:08 |
DocScrutinizer | there's no need for a gateway,unless you expect the far end to forward packets to 3rd party (aka internet) for you | 00:09 |
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kwtm | Ohh.. it says "you need to install usb-network-modules". The very last sentence of the first section. mentioned almost as an afterthought. I suppose this means it's actually the essential key without which everything else will fail? :) | 00:10 |
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DocScrutinizer | but better ask BCMM - I'm not very used to this stuff | 00:10 |
DocScrutinizer | rarely do it | 00:10 |
DocScrutinizer | so I might be rong | 00:11 |
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DocScrutinizer | wrong even | 00:11 |
khertan | Hello | 00:11 |
BCMM | kwtm: what distro are you on? | 00:11 |
BCMM | iirc, ubuntu already has USB networking drivers | 00:11 |
khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/Pygments_1.4-3/ someone understand what is the problem ? | 00:11 |
kwtm | BCMM: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I was hoping I could get this done for WinXP also (that's of secondary importance). | 00:12 |
BCMM | can't remember what USB networking in windows is like | 00:12 |
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BCMM | it would be cool if there was some kind of GUI to enable usb networking, configure the interface, and run a DHCP server so that almost any computer, no matter how stupid, would get a working connection... | 00:13 |
DocScrutinizer | BCMM: iirc on windows it's called ipconfig, not ifconfig ;-D | 00:14 |
BCMM | khertan: illegal character `P' - are upper-case letters allowed? | 00:14 |
kwtm | Ok, so I'm going to install usb-network-modules, then ... unless someone here says that's not the right thing to do. | 00:14 |
BCMM | DocScrutinizer: also, it doesn't work. | 00:14 |
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BCMM | other than that, almost the same, | 00:14 |
khertan | BCMM, ? oh ... The name of the package | 00:15 |
khertan | thx ;) | 00:15 |
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BCMM | khertan: np | 00:15 |
khertan | BCMM, there is an app nammed Mad Developper (works on unix and seven) | 00:15 |
khertan | ms windows seven | 00:15 |
khertan | à | 00:15 |
khertan | ;à | 00:15 |
khertan | :) | 00:15 |
DocScrutinizer | khertan: also, is that a spece in there? | 00:15 |
BCMM | i've just been using scratchbox and testing with scp | 00:15 |
DocScrutinizer | space* | 00:15 |
khertan | a space ? | 00:16 |
BCMM | ssh connection sharing is cool | 00:16 |
DocScrutinizer | *s_1.4* | 00:16 |
BCMM | (scp is practically instantaneous is it can re-use an existing ssh connection) | 00:16 |
BCMM | s/is/if/ | 00:16 |
infobot | BCMM meant: (scp if practically instantaneous is it can re-use an existing ssh connection) | 00:16 |
DocScrutinizer | *s 1.4* | 00:16 |
BCMM | curses. | 00:16 |
BCMM | no i didn't, infobot. | 00:17 |
BCMM | a robot is being sarcastic about my sed. | 00:17 |
khertan | yep the setup file use was the wrong ... so truncated version number too :à | 00:17 |
khertan | :) | 00:17 |
khertan | python-pygments_1.4.0-1 should be better | 00:18 |
kwtm | abc bcd testing infobot | 00:18 |
kwtm | s/c/C/2 | 00:18 |
kwtm | Ok, fine, infobot, you can ignore me. :( | 00:18 |
DocScrutinizer | infobot ignores all malformed s/x/y/ | 00:19 |
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DocScrutinizer | s/igno/xxx/. | 00:19 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It's not *malformed*. It's just *too advanced for infobot*. <grump!> | 00:19 |
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DocScrutinizer | s/igno/xxx/ | 00:19 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: s/xxx/xxx/. | 00:19 |
DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 00:19 |
khertan | [extras-builds] [fremantle]: python-pygments 1.4.0-1 OK << thx BCMM | 00:20 |
khertan | :à | 00:20 |
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kwtm | aaa testing infobot | 00:20 |
kwtm | s/a/A/ | 00:20 |
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khertan | grr i didn't like this n130 netbook keyboard | 00:20 |
kwtm | s/a/A/ | 00:20 |
infobot | kwtm meant: Aaa testing infobot | 00:20 |
infobot | kwtm meant: Aaa testing infobot | 00:20 |
khertan | :à | 00:20 |
BCMM | heh, i've never even used builder | 00:20 |
kwtm | Ok, so it's not cumulative. | 00:20 |
khertan | s/à/)/ | 00:20 |
infobot | khertan meant: :) | 00:20 |
BCMM | aaa | 00:20 |
BCMM | s/a/A/g | 00:21 |
infobot | BCMM meant: AAA | 00:21 |
BCMM | ah, he does do that. | 00:21 |
kwtm | Yeah, it's just /g or nothing. | 00:21 |
khertan | it s a test ... test | 00:21 |
khertan | s/*/A/g | 00:21 |
kwtm | s/o\(.\)/-\1O\1/ | 00:22 |
khertan | s/.*/A/g | 00:22 |
kwtm | Hah! | 00:22 |
khertan | :) | 00:22 |
kwtm | Ok, so ... having usb-network-utilities doesn't seem to help. Both the laptop and the N900 show usb0 as "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST" but neither has an IP address. | 00:23 |
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kwtm | when BCMM said "already has usb drivers", does that mean (just to confirm) I do NOT need to modify /etc/network/interfaces on my laptop? | 00:24 |
kwtm | Because I am not sure what my next step should be. | 00:24 |
DocScrutinizer | forget it, she's not acting on anything except s/x/y/ and s/x/y/g | 00:24 |
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kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Is there any difference between "root" and "sudo gainroot"? I used the former to become root and do the "ifconfig usb0 up" command --I don't think it matters but I want to be sure. | 00:25 |
DocScrutinizer | yes, root is a full login, while sudo gainroot simply changes user | 00:26 |
DocScrutinizer | without changing anything regarding env | 00:26 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thus anything I can do with "sudo gainroot" I can do with root, right? ... ohhh, so it's possible I changed the environment with "root", then. I still don't think it matters... | 00:26 |
DocScrutinizer | yes, shouldn't matter | 00:27 |
kwtm | Also, I typed "ifconfig usb0 up" and that worked, but "ifup usb0" gave an error: /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh: line 143: diff: not found | 00:27 |
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kwtm | It seems to have worked, though, because the second time I typed "ifup usb0" it said "already configured". Wtheck? Did someone write a script requiring a command-line utility that's not installed by default and failed to give the correct dependency? | 00:28 |
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DocScrutinizer | try a simple ifconfig usb0 addr 56.32.3.775 | 00:30 |
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DocScrutinizer | when I see avahi I get goosepimples | 00:30 |
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DocScrutinizer | my lennart allergy | 00:31 |
kwtm | I can try any arbitrary IP addr, right? I might as well try something on 192.168.x.x to see if it will connect that way... | 00:31 |
BCMM | kwtm: my advice: don't argue with your router. | 00:32 |
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kwtm | BCMM: ?? Not sure what that means. I have been treating my router with the utmost respect. How is it related to what we're doing? | 00:32 |
BCMM | i mean, if your router's DHCP server uses 192.168.1.x, play in 192.168.2.x or something | 00:33 |
BCMM | (or 10.0.0.x) | 00:33 |
kwtm | BCMM: Of course. I put in 192.168.2.16 (one up from the .15 that I've been using.) My router uses 192.168.1.x | 00:33 |
kwtm | So, it says "ifconfig: bad address 'addr'" Will check correct syntax of ifconfig command. | 00:34 |
BCMM | (this is because your computer will have a route set up to put traffic for 192.168.1.x on the correct interface) | 00:34 |
BCMM | but other than that, choice of IP address is arbitrary really | 00:34 |
kwtm | I see now that it should have been ifconfig usb0 56.32.3.775 rather than ifconfig usb0 addr 56.32.3.775 | 00:34 |
BCMM | that's not an IP address. | 00:35 |
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kwtm | BCMM: Well, this is what I don't get: so my N900 is told that it is 192.168.2.14 (or whatever) and that the gateway is 192.168.2.15. But my laptop has no idea of this. How does it know to respond to my N900 when tne N900 asks for "the computer at 192.168.2.15"? Does the N900 tell the laptop to set up this way when it first connects via USB? | 00:35 |
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kwtm | BCMM: That's the example I was given, so I'm just quoting it word for word. I am actually using 192.168.2.16 for the IP address in question. | 00:36 |
BCMM | do ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15 on the laptop? | 00:36 |
BCMM | n900 puts packets on the usb interface, laptop gets them, laptop ignores them unless they're addressed to it | 00:36 |
kwtm | BCMM: Ahh! So that's the question I had been asking from 30 minutes ago. Thanks for the answer. | 00:37 |
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BCMM | ip networking doesn't really need central organisation... | 00:37 |
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BCMM | kwtm: not sure i understand. | 00:37 |
BCMM | i mean, i'm not even sure what i answered | 00:37 |
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kwtm | BCMM: You actually didn't answer. DocScrutinizer gave an answer but I wasn't sure what he meant. My request for clarification got lost in the jumble when someone else asked for help. Glad we cleared it up. | 00:38 |
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kwtm | Ok, N900 now able to communicate with laptop (at least with ping). cleared a big hurdle. Thank you! | 00:38 |
BCMM | i still don't really understand; but if the problem was basic IP networking, there are channels for that | 00:39 |
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kwtm | BCMM: To clarify (not that it's relevant any more) I did not realize what to do *to my laptop* to tell it that it should talk to the N900 over USB. It was not at all obvious from the wiki. | 00:39 |
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kwtm | You know, those minor details that people leave out because they've done it so often that they've taken it for granted (and probably installed an autoconfig script) long before they've worked everything out and put things in a wiki so people can follow in their footsteps. | 00:41 |
BCMM | yeah, looks like it's got a lot of distro-specific stuff rather than how to do it manually with ifconfig | 00:41 |
kwtm | Speaking of which, I can't seem to change the wiki even when I log in to t.m.o. | 00:41 |
BCMM | if you're on ubuntu, you can just use the debian instructions though | 00:41 |
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kwtm | Success! Thank you all, especially BCMM. I am able to ssh into shell from either direction and can fish:// files to/from the N900. Thanks! | 00:48 |
BCMM | have fun! | 00:48 |
BCMM | fish:// (or sftp://) in konqueror is very smooth | 00:49 |
BCMM | i think i only enable mass storage mode for downloading photos now | 00:49 |
kwtm | Ohhh... logins at wiki.maemo.org and talk.maemo.org are separate! Ok, got it. | 00:50 |
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kwtm | BCMM: I haven't even enabled mass storage mode for some time now. I just do a periodic rsync over the network. So when I'm off vacationing and I want to make sure the video of my toddler makes it back to the home server even if the N900 gets stolen, I just call my rsync script. :) | 00:54 |
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kwtm | BCMM: Hey, can you interpret this for me? (I'm editing the wiki now.) "With this default configuration, the N900 USB interface will have the IP address 192.168.2.15, and the remote end will have the IP address 192.168.2.14." This is ambiguous: the "remote end" --does that mean (in my case) the laptop? | 00:55 |
BCMM | kwtm: i shoot a crapload of raw (DNG) photographs with fcamera | 00:55 |
BCMM | i mean, i take several shots when i take a photo, and weed out the bad ones on my desktop with the benifit of a proper screen | 00:56 |
kwtm | BCMM: Well, nothing takes up as much memory as a video, I'm afraid ... especially when you record for 5-10 minutes waiting for the little tyke to "do that little cute thing you just did again" | 00:56 |
kwtm | BCMM: Although I agree that you want to transfer those over USB, not some 2.5G cellular connection, if you want to edit them. | 00:56 |
BCMM | i kinda want to investigate how fast a really minimal camera application could start | 00:57 |
BCMM | i mean, if you didn't even need a viewfinder | 00:57 |
BCMM | for stuff like cats and children that might rapidly stop doing something amusing | 00:57 |
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SpeedEvil | BCMM: mplayer tv:// takes about 0.8s before showing pictures. | 01:06 |
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SpeedEvil | It's more like 0.3s after opening /dev/video0 that it gets the first picture | 01:11 |
SpeedEvil | It spends a while screwing around on dbus | 01:11 |
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BCMM | SpeedEvil: the default camera app is always running in the background isn't it? | 01:47 |
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SpeedEvil | BCMM: Sort-of. | 01:49 |
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SpeedEvil | BCMM: It has a daemon, then forks the actual UI I think | 01:50 |
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SpeedEvil | ps|grep cam | 01:51 |
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yourself | I seam to remember a way to send all my contacts through bluetooth, amd I wrong? | 02:06 |
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DocScrutinizer | should work, yes | 02:13 |
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yourself | If I could only just list the contacts with a phone number | 02:21 |
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ArGGu^^ | dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. | 02:51 |
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ArGGu^^ | Trying to build source file and deb in scratchbox | 02:51 |
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ArGGu^^ | Should add devel or testing repository? | 02:52 |
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ArGGu^^ | if I need newer version debhelper | 02:52 |
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ArGGu^^ | or how I can make the compatibility to level 5? | 02:53 |
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ArGGu^^ | found answer with google just changed the level to five from compat | 02:56 |
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ovnicraft | hello the site is down ! | 02:59 |
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ArGGu^^ | ovnicraft what site? | 03:09 |
ovnicraft | maemo.org | 03:10 |
ovnicraft | i cant load it | 03:10 |
ArGGu^^ | so it seems | 03:10 |
ArGGu^^ | garage.maemo.org works :S | 03:10 |
ArGGu^^ | but maemo.org does not :S | 03:10 |
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ArGGu^^ | well maybe it will up soon | 03:11 |
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ovnicraft | thanks | 03:15 |
ArGGu^^ | need to go to sleep, but can't I just upload my irc client to the autobuilder. Well hopefully I get results soon. | 03:15 |
ArGGu^^ | anyone tried nitdroid? I don't like android mostly because java, but have to face it ,android is going to be the most popular OS. | 03:18 |
ArGGu^^ | I was thinking to install it so I would have dual boot. | 03:20 |
ArGGu^^ | autobuilder failed :S | 03:20 |
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ArGGu^^ | hmm | 03:21 |
ArGGu^^ | odd problems seems to be the server not from my app :S | 03:21 |
ArGGu^^ | sql query failed | 03:22 |
ArGGu^^ | Repository not found. (fremantle) | 03:22 |
ArGGu^^ | hmm | 03:22 |
ArGGu^^ | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo5/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. | 03:23 |
ArGGu^^ | hmm so there seems to be problem with the source :S | 03:24 |
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ArGGu^^ | hmm why is there qmake.conf? btw. | 03:35 |
ArGGu^^ | I added the makefile to source, but would the autobuilder do that automatically? | 03:36 |
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ArGGu^^ | hmm | 03:36 |
ArGGu^^ | anyone who used autobuilder with qt apps? | 03:37 |
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ArGGu^^ | does it run the qmake to create makefile? | 03:37 |
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ArGGu^^ | but of course I cant make the source without make file | 03:42 |
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ArGGu^^ | hmm used template rules file that was maemo forums, mostly difference seems that it had command to create the makefile. | 03:49 |
ArGGu^^ | well need to hope the best :) | 03:49 |
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ArGGu^^ | after 4 tries finally ok from autobuilder :) | 04:02 |
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Sazpaimon_ | so the N900's GPU supports OpenVG, how come there are no libraries for it in maemo 5? | 06:24 |
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ShadowJK | Chicken and egg problem | 06:25 |
Sazpaimon_ | i don't follow | 06:26 |
Sazpaimon_ | is it just a case of nobody making any drivers for it? | 06:26 |
ShadowJK | Nothing used OpenVG | 06:26 |
Sazpaimon_ | android does | 06:26 |
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Sazpaimon_ | I believe iOS supports it too | 06:27 |
ShadowJK | Though for MeeGo and QT it's being done | 06:27 |
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Sazpaimon_ | ShadowJK, any chance of a backport to maemo then? | 06:42 |
Sazpaimon_ | or more like a cross-port | 06:42 |
ShadowJK | looks like drivers are a big issue | 06:43 |
Sazpaimon_ | definately, but if there are opensource drivers for meego, i dont see how they can't be ported tomaemo | 06:43 |
Sazpaimon_ | specifically the N900 if the GPU supports OpenVG | 06:44 |
Sazpaimon_ | and I dont see much talk of OpenVG being supported in MeeGo | 06:44 |
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ShadowJK | Yeah looks like there are no opensource OpenVG SGX drivers | 06:48 |
Sazpaimon_ | also, eglinfo on the N900 reports OpenVG as a client API | 06:50 |
Sazpaimon_ | not sure why | 06:50 |
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Sazpaimon_ | there's an libOpenVG.so in /usr/lib | 06:51 |
Sazpaimon_ | but no development headers | 06:51 |
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Sazpaimon_ | apt-file search libOpenVG.so doesn't return anything | 06:51 |
Sazpaimon_ | any clue why? | 06:52 |
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Sazpaimon_ | there are these OpenVG libraries here, but no development headers to utilize them? What's up with that | 06:52 |
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Sazpaimon_ | well I just manually downloaded the OpenVG headers from khronos, let me see how it goes | 07:16 |
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chickenlove | hey all, i'm just wondering which file the contacts are stored in on the n900, and what format it is? i'm looking to grep it as part of a script | 08:39 |
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ruskie | chickenlove, evolution data server | 08:43 |
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ruskie | iirc | 08:45 |
ruskie | anyway it's something not really grepable | 08:45 |
chickenl1ve | ruskie: is there a way to make it greppable, or would i first have to find a way to csv export it? should i be able to pull strings then grep, or is it too much binary and not enough plaintext? | 08:46 |
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ruskie | a quick look at ~/.osso-abook/ | 08:47 |
ruskie | it seems they are all berkley db formats | 08:47 |
ruskie | no clue what you could grab from it though... | 08:47 |
chickenl1ve | no worries, i'll take a look into it | 08:47 |
chickenl1ve | thanks for the help ruskie | 08:47 |
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chickenl1ve | ruskie: seems strings produces decent info, and can be separated by "begin vcard" and "end vcard" statements, then grepped :) | 08:48 |
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ruskie | hehe | 08:50 |
ruskie | you could probably get better results with the db tools | 08:51 |
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ruskie | like db_dump | 08:51 |
chickenlove | wasnt aware of them :P | 08:52 |
chickenlove | i'll give it a look | 08:52 |
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chickenlove | thanks again | 08:56 |
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Sazpaimon_ | well I got this openvg build of gnash compiling | 09:07 |
Sazpaimon_ | but the problem is I can't get openvg to paint anything | 09:07 |
Sazpaimon_ | vgCreateImage is returning VG_INVALID_HANDLE, with no error | 09:09 |
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Venemo_N900 | morning all | 09:50 |
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DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:54 |
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pupnik | moo | 09:57 |
Venemo_N900 | moo DocScrutinizer | 09:57 |
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pupnik | frozen veggies save me so much waste, it's worth the price premium. plus they're all the choice parts | 10:00 |
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mece | bwuahaha! Epic ysss post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=981386&postcount=160 | 10:36 |
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pupnik | abill_uk is posting 100 times a month | 10:42 |
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* pupnik watches restored stock kernel happily sip 6mA while running wlan and updating ssh window every 20 seconds | 10:50 |
Venemo_N900 | pupnik: why, what kernel did you have before that? | 10:52 |
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pupnik | some power-kernel thingy Venemo_N900 - always much higher idle power (at stock speed) | 10:56 |
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Venemo_N900 | pupnik: really? power kernel eats more? | 11:00 |
Venemo_N900 | that's interesting | 11:00 |
pupnik | i dunno just sharing what my device is using | 11:01 |
pupnik | and i think it's wonderful (got a script pinging the device every 20 sec) | 11:01 |
Venemo_N900 | heh | 11:04 |
Venemo_N900 | why not just use BatteryGraph or battery-eye? | 11:05 |
pupnik | battery-eye uses lots of power | 11:06 |
pupnik | dunno batterygraph | 11:06 |
Venemo_N900 | mhm | 11:07 |
Venemo_N900 | well, I haven't noticed any changes from power kernel | 11:07 |
Venemo_N900 | I mean, in power usage | 11:07 |
Venemo_N900 | but I haven't really measured either | 11:07 |
pupnik | what does bq2700.sh 20 give you for a resting current (wlan+ssh) | 11:08 |
pupnik | ok | 11:08 |
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Venemo_N900 | pupnik: I can't really tell, since I'm not in the proximity of a wlan atm | 11:08 |
pupnik | okidoki | 11:09 |
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khertan | Morning | 11:19 |
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khertan | I ve a question, how to promote a lib ? i ve promoted khteditor which depends on it from devel to testing, but it s still the old version of the lib. | 11:20 |
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Venemo_N900 | khertan: the libs are automatically promoted | 11:21 |
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khertan | hum ... arg this seems to not works all time | 11:21 |
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Venemo_N900 | khertan: when you promote an app, its dependencies are also automatically promoted. this is what X-Fade has told me | 11:22 |
khertan | this is what i think too. | 11:22 |
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khertan | i'll retry so | 11:22 |
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Venemo_N900 | khertan: maybe you forgot to change the version number of the dependency in your control file | 11:22 |
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khertan | Venemo_N900: i didn't put version number in the control file ... so should be the last | 11:25 |
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merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 11:25 |
Venemo_N900 | khertan: if you don't put a version number there, that means that any version is good | 11:25 |
Venemo_N900 | khertan: write it like this: libraryname (>= version) | 11:26 |
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chem|st | moan'ing | 11:26 |
chem|st | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds:lp5523:kb6/brightness nonexistent directory ... | 11:26 |
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chem|st | kbd leds are gone after a restart | 11:26 |
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Sicelo | hi everone. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2036652/microsoft-tells-developers-wp7-specific-css-files?utm_campaign=twitterfeed&utm_source=identica&utm_medium=social-media | 11:28 |
khertan | Venemo_N900: thx ... i ll try | 11:28 |
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mece | Sicelo, *facepalm* | 11:42 |
Venemo_N900 | Sicelo: that's just ridiculous, but I can't say MS surprised me at all | 11:43 |
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mece | It's remarkable how much work is done on n900 software | 11:44 |
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mece | I don't have a terribly large amount of applications installed (ok I have a lot but not epic amounts), yet almost every day that yellow exclamation icon is blinking. I love that little icon. Makes me smile every time :) | 11:45 |
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Sicelo | hey mece Venemo_N900 | 11:48 |
mece | Sicelo, \o | 11:48 |
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Venemo_N900 | Sicelo: :) | 11:50 |
mece | is there a working method for syncing n900 calendar to some calendar software that works on desktop linux? | 11:50 |
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Venemo_N900 | mece: I recall seeing some related stuff on TMO, but I wasn't interested at the time so I dunno. | 11:51 |
* mece knows nothing about calendars and syncing, but would like to have some solution.. | 11:52 |
ruskie | syncevolution maybe? | 11:52 |
Venemo_N900 | mece: search a bit on TMO | 11:52 |
Venemo_N900 | anyway I gotta go | 11:52 |
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Venemo_N900 | bb | 11:52 |
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mece | ruskie, I have that software, but I don't know what to use on the other end | 11:52 |
mece | ruskie, I have it on N900 that is. | 11:52 |
* Sicelo only wishes he had N900 too :( | 11:53 |
ruskie | the other end you'll need a syncml server | 11:53 |
ruskie | the example thingy from opensync might help | 11:53 |
ruskie | then you can sync from there to whatever app(if it is supported) | 11:53 |
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mece | ruskie, hmm.. ok I'll check what people are using on their linux desktops | 11:54 |
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mece | hmm evloution suite, heh. Ok, one would think that'd work with syncevolution, since they share the name | 11:55 |
ruskie | might | 11:56 |
ruskie | no clue | 11:56 |
mece | well, I'll just try it and report back :) | 11:57 |
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thp | bugs.maemo.org down? | 12:03 |
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jacekowski | mece: mail for exchange | 12:04 |
jacekowski | mece: that's what i'm using | 12:04 |
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jacekowski | mece: with zimbra and it syncs to any kind of shit | 12:04 |
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mece | jacekowski, mail for exchange doesn't have a linux ring to it.. | 12:07 |
jacekowski | zimbra is linux software | 12:08 |
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mece | thp, "It's just you. http://bugs.maemo.org is up. " | 12:08 |
thp | mece: had a db connection error, so technically it was "up", just not usable. anyway, working now ;) | 12:09 |
mece | k | 12:09 |
mece | jacekowski, so can I use zimbra as a server on my desktop and sync my phone against it somehow? | 12:10 |
jacekowski | well, zimbra is quite heavy mail software | 12:11 |
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Termana | good morning | 12:18 |
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chem|st | kbd leds back to normal after removing the battery... | 12:22 |
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mece | jacekowski, well I just want to sync calendar, todo and those things. The mails are on the imap servers, so no need to sync those... | 12:23 |
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jacekowski | i think you can sync it with google calendar | 12:26 |
jacekowski | or some syncml stuff | 12:26 |
jacekowski | but i prefer mfe and activesync because it's way better | 12:26 |
ruskie | only if you have something supporting that ;) | 12:27 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | DARN, dunno if it's 1.3's fault or CSSU, but that profile selector is fubar useless. Has stupid [x]vibrate whicj I think is new, but doesn't show nor allow to activate any of my custom profiles created by tweakr :-( | 12:47 |
khertan | X-Fade: Hello ... i ve try to promote KhtEditor which depends on python-pygments 1.4.0-4 but python-pygments 1.4.0-4 seems to be an older version and haven't been promoted ... Did you see any reason which prevent it to be promoted ? | 12:47 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | could anybody please confirm this profiles problem (or falsify) | 12:50 |
ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, what profile selector? | 12:50 |
DocScrutinizer51 | duh, system menu, profiles | 12:51 |
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ruskie | no clue about tweakr since I never used that but sysmenu does show vibrate here and iirc it used to do so since atleast 1.3 | 12:52 |
DocScrutinizer51 | yeah but not pre13 | 12:53 |
DocScrutinizer51 | anyway that's not my concern | 12:53 |
DocScrutinizer51 | all my custom profiles gone so only ones left are friggin default & silent | 12:54 |
DocScrutinizer51 | can't create new ones either | 12:54 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | err I *can* create new, in tweakr, but they don't show up in selector | 12:55 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | so that's a severe flaw regarding usability | 12:55 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | one of the things of the class I was scared would need a downgrade back to 1.2 | 12:57 |
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kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Hi. Just got up. I have PR1.2. Need help confirming something in PR 1.2? | 13:07 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | dang, alarmed profile switching as well doesn't see any custom profiles | 13:07 |
DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: I moved to 13 and CSSU, now no profiles other than silent & default | 13:09 |
kwtm | I myself need help: how do I install package "screen" which is under "Fremantle SDK tools free armel"? Do I just enable the repository, or do I need to install some SDK? If the former only, I suppose somewhere on the web there are instructions on how to add that repository? | 13:09 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: I see. Presumably CSSU is the custom thing (PR1.3.2.1.5.3. or something). Can I check something on my system for you? | 13:09 |
DocScrutinizer51 | enable repo | 13:09 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | install tweakr, create (safe) a custom profile, then see if it shows up in systemmenu profiles | 13:11 |
kwtm | I've already installed tweakr, and I'm pretty sure it does show up in profiles, but will verify. | 13:12 |
kwtm | I mean, I've already installed a custom profile, but let me verify that I did it with tweakr | 13:13 |
DocScrutinizer51 | also see if profile selector has (x)vibrate toggle | 13:13 |
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kwtm | Ok, under Settings > Tweakr > Delete profile, I see that it offers to delete several custom profiles that I now recall I did save using Tweakr. (No, I'm not deleting any.) Then under Settings > Profiles, I see that the settings are as I've changed them for my custom profile, but I am not sure how to verify that the current profile really is the one called kwtm1 (rather than "default" or whatever). Then earlier today I just | 13:21 |
kwtm | happened to try out Alarmed for the first time and it did offer to switch between various profiles that I myself created (kwtm1, kwtm2, etc.) | 13:21 |
kwtm | Am looking for where [x]vibrate toggle would be ... hang on... | 13:21 |
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kwtm | Ah, yes, under Settings > Profiles, it lets me select [x]vibrate toggle for each of "Silent" or "General" | 13:21 |
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kwtm | I guess "Silent/General" are ... subprofiles within a profile? modes? It was very confusing (at first I thought those were actual profiles). | 13:21 |
kwtm | Does that help or should I check more? | 13:21 |
kwtm | re: repository: would you mind telling me the name of the repository? I can't seem to find in the wiki where the actual name of the "Fremantle SDK tools free armel" repository is. Is it actually "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free"? THere is nowhere that explicitly says these refer to the same thing. | 13:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | kwtm: system menu -> settings (actually "profile: default" or whatever) | 13:21 |
DocScrutinizer | menu, not settings | 13:21 |
DocScrutinizer | systray menu | 13:21 |
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kwtm | Ahh..,. ok. I do recall there were 3 seemingly similar but separate ways to get at the system thingmajigs: run the "Settings" program, press the "On/Off" button once, or tap on the ... I guess it's called the system tray. Never actually found the official names for these 3 different ways to do things. | 13:23 |
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kwtm | Ok. Systray Menu > Profiles shows 4 profiles, of which 3 are clearly defined by me. One is "Silent" (guess that's a built-in). It says "select preset". Not sure if a "preset" is the same thing as "profile" ... terminology seems vauge. | 13:24 |
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kwtm | Does that help or should I check more? | 13:30 |
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kwtm | are you the brother of DocScrutinizer who was born in '51? | 13:30 |
DocScrutinizer | N900? | 13:30 |
kwtm | Yes, N900. Bought Jun 2010, if that matters. | 13:30 |
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DocScrutinizer | kwtm: click (clock in) systray. there's a menu item with a 'cake' 1/4 red 3/4 white -> says "Profil: Allgemein" here (Profile: default / general") Click on it to get a popup menu that has just two items here: silent & general/default. It also has a "[x]vibration" next to each of the (two) items | 13:33 |
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DocScrutinizer | N900 == RX-51 | 13:33 |
DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I missed some words and parsed that as <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Who was born in '51? | 13:34 |
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kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It was my attempt at humour. Basically: why are there DocScrutinizer and DocScrutinizer51? | 13:35 |
DocScrutinizer | the one is N900 | 13:35 |
kwtm | presumably RX-51 is the name of the variety of processor? Or is that the version of Maemo? | 13:35 |
DocScrutinizer | the other desktop | 13:35 |
kwtm | Ohhhh.... I see. So Rx-51 is where you're logged on from via the N900. | 13:35 |
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DocScrutinizer | RX-51 is the internal code, while Rover is the internal nick | 13:35 |
DocScrutinizer | rrright | 13:36 |
DocScrutinizer | N900 is official | 13:36 |
DocScrutinizer | marketing name | 13:36 |
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kwtm | When I click (clock in) systray, there's a menu item with a 'cake' that says Profile: kwtm1 (which is the profile I'm using; I haven't used "default/general" in a long time). When I click it, I get a popup menu that is as I described: "Systray Menu > Profiles shows 4 profiles, of which 3 are clearly defined by me. One is "Silent" (guess that's a built-in). It says "select preset". In this menu I do NOT see [x]Vibration next to | 13:39 |
kwtm | each item. | 13:39 |
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kwtm | To get to the [x]Vibration setting, I have to do what I said before: "under Settings > Profiles, it lets me select [x]vibrate toggle for each of "Silent" or "General"" | 13:39 |
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kwtm | (which is NOT under the systray menu) | 13:39 |
DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:39 |
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DocScrutinizer | as I expected | 13:39 |
DocScrutinizer | something changed there in 1.3 and fsckdup things | 13:40 |
DocScrutinizer | or CSSU | 13:40 |
kwtm | what is CSSU? | 13:40 |
DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 13:40 |
infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 13:40 |
DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: any comments? ^^^ | 13:40 |
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DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (profiles selector borked) | 13:41 |
DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: did we get some fixes on CSSU there, or is that a generic 1.3 *BUG* | 13:41 |
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DocScrutinizer | s/fixes/"fixes"/ | 13:42 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: MohammadAG: did we get some "fixes" on CSSU there, or is that a generic 1.3 *BUG* | 13:42 |
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kwtm | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU says: "The requested operation could not be completed Connection to Server Refused" but I guess it's the Community-Supported Something-or-Uther. PR1.3+ ... aaaanyway. Now manually updating the fremantle tools repository... | 13:43 |
DocScrutinizer | maybe *somebody* with a plain 1.3 and custom profiles (or the willingness to install tweakr) could confirm? | 13:44 |
DocScrutinizer | kwtm: yes, it's the so called PR1.3.3.7 | 13:44 |
kwtm | DocScrutinizer: :) Nice nickname. | 13:44 |
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DocScrutinizer | and yes, there been reports this night about maemo.org down | 13:45 |
kwtm | Anyone have any warnings against me installing "screen" from fremantle tools before I go ahead and do it? | 13:46 |
chem|st | nope | 13:46 |
chem|st | DocScrutinizer: what to check? | 13:47 |
jacekowski | kwtm: works for me | 13:47 |
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kwtm | It says "package cannot be authenticated!" (I'm going to go ahead and install anyway.) I didn't realize we had GnuPGP key authentication? Or is it just "warning! You are installing something not officially from Nokia"? I don't recall seeing that warning with command-line apt-get installing any other package. | 13:48 |
kwtm | jacekowski: I get, as part of the apt-get install process, "/var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postinst: line 23: /usr/sbin/add-shell: not found". Is that par for the course or is my setup borked (either due to or prior to this installation)? What the heck is add-shell and why would the screen package maintainer expect me to have this program under /usr/sbin? | 13:49 |
jacekowski | kwtm: just ignore it | 13:50 |
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jacekowski | it will work | 13:50 |
DocScrutinizer | it's cause those pkgs are mainly intended for SB use | 13:51 |
DocScrutinizer | chem|st: check profile selector | 13:51 |
DocScrutinizer | custom profiles | 13:51 |
DocScrutinizer | not showing up here | 13:51 |
DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 13:51 |
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kwtm | jacekowski: Hmm... a bit rough around the edges. In particular, starting "screen" spit out some message about "aborted due to window size change". (I wonder what was aborted?). It puts me in a window with shell prompt where it did not run my .profile and my aliases are all missing. | 13:53 |
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kwtm | May be easier just to open up new terminal windows, but I'll just keep the package installed just in case. Also something about missing a /var/run/utmp, whatever that is. | 13:54 |
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DocScrutinizer | (nice nick) for PR1.4 I suggest calling matching CSSU PR1.4.7.3(2) | 14:01 |
DocScrutinizer | the "too late" CSSU | 14:01 |
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chem|st | DocScrutinizer: in menu or tweakr? | 14:13 |
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DocScrutinizer | sysmenu | 14:13 |
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chem|st | systray-menu wfm | 14:13 |
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DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-04 12:32:40] <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: click (clock in) systray. there's a menu item with a 'cake' 1/4 red 3/4 white -> says "Profil: Allgemein" here (Profile: default / general") Click on it to get a popup menu that has just two items here: silent & general/default. It also has a "[x]vibration" next to each of the (two) items | 14:14 |
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chem|st | I just see silent but that is cause I did some stuff to it after the first install | 14:14 |
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DocScrutinizer | the oint is it doesn't show custum profiles anymore | 14:15 |
DocScrutinizer | p*oint | 14:15 |
chem|st | I don't see the vibrator [x] checkbox | 14:15 |
DocScrutinizer | lemme up a screenie | 14:15 |
chem|st | ah ok so you wnat me to setup custom profiles to check right? | 14:15 |
chem|st | the general is a custom profile already | 14:16 |
DocScrutinizer | right | 14:16 |
chem|st | general there is not the same general as in powerbutton menu | 14:16 |
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DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10101 | 14:20 |
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DocScrutinizer | friggin powerbutton profile is just a toggle between silent and general?? BLARGH! | 14:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | I'm really wondering whom to spank for that selector menu nonsense (with [x]vibration). Power button profile isn't much better. Well ok, if it simply switches to "silent" and back to whatver been there before... | 14:27 |
DocScrutinizer | chem|st: so you say on PR1.3 plain-vanilla there's no "[x]vibration" on profile selector profile items? | 14:28 |
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DocScrutinizer | what really freaks me out is the fact alarmed also doesn't show custom profiles for function "change profile" | 14:33 |
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DocScrutinizer | so it seems sth on middleware changed as well | 14:35 |
DocScrutinizer | which is *really* bad | 14:36 |
chem|st | DocScrutinizer: there never was such thing for me | 14:36 |
DocScrutinizer | which thing? | 14:36 |
chem|st | customprofiles vibrator checkbox | 14:36 |
chem|st | not vanilla not cssu | 14:37 |
DocScrutinizer | yeah, so it seems that's CSSU then? | 14:37 |
DocScrutinizer | DUH | 14:37 |
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DocScrutinizer | you seen the screenie^^^? | 14:37 |
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chem|st | DocScrutinizer: maybe I borked it initially as I deleted the general custom profile | 14:38 |
DocScrutinizer | tell me how to do that - I need to bork it as well | 14:38 |
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chem|st | hehe | 14:39 |
chem|st | hmm lmc | 14:39 |
DocScrutinizer | FSCKNG need my custom profiles! | 14:39 |
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chem|st | I deleted the general via tweakr's delete custom profile button | 14:40 |
DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 14:40 |
DocScrutinizer | this * actually do the trickmight* | 14:40 |
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DocScrutinizer | errr | 14:40 |
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DocScrutinizer | this *might* actually do the trick | 14:41 |
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chem|st | don't know I dont see anything but silent for customs and no vibrator buttons | 14:41 |
chem|st | and have never seen any vibrator buttons | 14:41 |
DocScrutinizer | some horsesh*t app I installed?? | 14:42 |
chem|st | could be | 14:42 |
chem|st | drop a list | 14:42 |
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DocScrutinizer | tweakr has neither default nor silent to delete, just my 3 custom profiles that none of them shows up in selector :-S | 14:43 |
chem|st | you see a general in selector? | 14:45 |
chem|st | like in the pic? | 14:45 |
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DocScrutinizer | nope | 14:46 |
DocScrutinizer | 3 custom profiles in tweakr that all 3 don't show up. Nuttin else | 14:46 |
chem|st | I mean in the sysmenu | 14:47 |
chem|st | I would delete all deletable profiles... and check again | 14:48 |
DocScrutinizer | in sysmenu I got ATM "Profil \n Allgemein" | 14:48 |
chem|st | like the pic you just showed? | 14:49 |
chem|st | right? | 14:49 |
DocScrutinizer | check again for what? what could change by deleting profiles that don't show up in selector anyway? | 14:49 |
DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:49 |
chem|st | don't know | 14:49 |
chem|st | I deleted all customs and have only silent shown without vibrator checkbox | 14:49 |
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chem|st | worth a try isnt it? | 14:49 |
DocScrutinizer | ther's evidently sth nasty happening, somebody messed around with that profile_select() function, whatever it is | 14:50 |
chem|st | sure | 14:50 |
DocScrutinizer | now I thought this system-menu.applet.so for profiles was a closed blob | 14:51 |
DocScrutinizer | I got a nasty suspicion - I fuzzed around with system menu config | 14:52 |
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Owen | hi | 15:04 |
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ArGGu^^ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/irggu/1.0.1/ | 15:29 |
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ArGGu^^ | should I delete the maemo-ringtones-mr0 from the dependencies? | 15:29 |
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ArGGu^^ | It is there because in the default configuration I use the email ringtone as one of the alerts sound | 15:30 |
ArGGu^^ | but I could chage or disabla the sound on that alert | 15:30 |
ArGGu^^ | *disable | 15:31 |
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pupnik | nice job, new tracker-indexer only causes very mild increase in current drain | 15:32 |
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RST38h | moo pupnik | 15:33 |
ArGGu^^ | the package maemo-ringtones-mr0 is in the ssu and root repositorys | 15:33 |
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ArGGu^^ | but the extra-devel shows missing dependencies | 15:34 |
pupnik | hi RST38h .. a friend in bucharest is showing me pics of the awesome Gyros they have there | 15:34 |
RST38h | umgh | 15:34 |
DocScrutinizer | MOOOMPFFF | 15:36 |
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DocScrutinizer | chem|st: reboot (and prior unedit of /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins) fixed it | 15:37 |
chem|st | ok | 15:37 |
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DocScrutinizer | How The Freck can /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins edit of X-Status-Menu-Position= mess up the profile-switcher in such a brainfsckd way ??? o.O | 15:39 |
ArGGu^^ | My package will stay on extra-devel as long it has missing dependencies? right? | 15:39 |
DocScrutinizer | I won't probably vanish, yes ;-D | 15:39 |
DocScrutinizer | on a serious note: you can't promote, I guess | 15:40 |
ArGGu^^ | :S | 15:40 |
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ArGGu^^ | kind of stupid when the package is installed by default on n900 :S | 15:41 |
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DocScrutinizer | ummpf, the ringtones? | 16:02 |
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piggz | how about cssu adding an option for ham to not automatically check for updates...just been abroad, and was carefult to turn off data roaming. i decided to go on google once, and then bam, ham decided that becuase i had an active connection, it should do an apt-get update, costing £10 :) | 16:12 |
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chem|st | piggz: increase your autocheck interval to some years... | 16:18 |
piggz | chem|st: is there an option for that somewhere? | 16:19 |
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chem|st | piggz: gconf | 16:19 |
piggz | ok | 16:20 |
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chem|st | you need the cmd line for it or are you aware of its usage? | 16:20 |
piggz | chem|st: i can probably work it out (its better that way for remembering :) | 16:21 |
chem|st | piggz: I do not remember it but the value is in minutes | 16:21 |
piggz | chem|st: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 16:22 |
chem|st | 525600 for one year | 16:22 |
piggz | chem|st: i'll remember for the next time i go abroad | 16:24 |
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chem|st | piggz: just edited it as it was actually a lie^^ | 16:25 |
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chem|st | now it reads properly to me (the command stays the same | 16:27 |
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piggz | chem|st: the only remaining question there is if a reboot is required, or if it automatically takes effect? | 16:33 |
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chem|st | piggz: no idea but restart the service or make it reload settings will do the job | 16:34 |
chem|st | ... as well | 16:34 |
RST38h | webOS VPof product development is bye-bye | 16:36 |
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alterego | RST38h: wasnt that the Nokia guy? | 16:37 |
RST38h | No | 16:37 |
RST38h | A PalmOS oldtimer | 16:37 |
alterego | Oh well, | 16:37 |
pupnik | can i do this in c? | 16:39 |
pupnik | #define R1 7;$ | 16:39 |
pupnik | #define R2 R1 + 40$ | 16:39 |
pupnik | wonder how it's parsed | 16:40 |
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alterego | pupnik: I don't think so no | 16:41 |
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alterego | It might work though, I'm pretty sure it wont :P | 16:41 |
RST38h | pupnik:parsed to 7;$+40$ | 16:41 |
RST38h | Why you would do this is an entirely different question | 16:41 |
alterego | I wonder if it's in the standard .. | 16:42 |
pupnik | duh, sorry ignore ; | 16:42 |
* alterego wonders about entering the meego coding competition. | 16:42 |
alterego | Think I will, and I've got just the app, muahahah | 16:44 |
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DocScrutinizer | maemo emulator? :-P | 16:52 |
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DocScrutinizer | nota bene a virtual box can't implement fixes to things that are borked in the hosting OS | 16:52 |
SpeedEvil | Depends. If' tis' reimplimenting middle layers it can. | 16:53 |
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SpeedEvil | For example, a windows instance on a VM on linux can access a windows filesystem better than linux. | 16:58 |
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unknown2030 | I want to install iwlist how i can do that on n810 | 17:06 |
unknown2030 | Anyone knows | 17:06 |
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