IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-03-29

DocScrutinizeryup, confirmed on my bare PCB00:00
RST38hSpeed: Not starting any services00:01
RST38hSpeed: No networking, no udevd, etc00:01
RST38hI am afraid this isn't as much of an accomplishment...00:01
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: GND is next to speaker, VDD is next to kbd00:02
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SpeedEvilRST38h: True, of coure.00:09
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* SpeedEvil is still undecided about udevd.00:09
pupnikwho here has experience with sdl + opengl on the sgx?00:09
RST38hfor embedded stuff, you may not even need udevd.00:10
SpeedEvilFor some embedded stuff in principle you just need a kernel. 2.2 could even run that way.00:10
SpeedEvil(it would carry on routing packets after init died)00:11
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jacekowski~flashung00:15
jacekowski~flashing00:15
infobotit has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware00:15
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jacekowskiyah00:19
jacekowskiyay00:19
jacekowskiit's working00:19
jacekowskialmost00:19
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jacekowskiwhen i plug it in just a bit it works00:21
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: check contact springs. Sounds like bent or dirty00:26
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: >>adiation is used by the United States Postal Service to sterilize mail in the Washington, DC area. Some foods (e.g. spices, ground meats) are irradiated for sterilization (see food irradiation).<<00:27
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RST38hIt is everywherrrre!00:27
DocScrutinizerfix your R00:27
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jacekowskihmmmm00:27
jacekowskiwhere was that thing to check if vusb is present00:28
DocScrutinizerfind /sys -name vbus ?00:28
jacekowskinothing00:28
* RST38h found another huge reason to hate Steve Jobs: island keyboards.00:28
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DocScrutinizer /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/vbus00:29
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DocScrutinizeroops, not that one00:30
jacekowskican you check if it changes on yours when you plug something in00:30
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DocScrutinizer /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus00:32
DocScrutinizer1, 000:32
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jacekowskihmm00:33
jacekowskiit is vusb disappearing00:34
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: check contact springs. Sounds like bent or dirty00:34
DocScrutinizereithe pin1 or pin500:35
DocScrutinizereither in receptacle or in plug00:35
DocScrutinizerplug has springs, receptacle has flat contact areas00:37
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:USB-Stecker_Nokia_5130.jpg&filetimestamp=2010050622324900:38
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jacekowskiit's phone side that has a problem00:39
jacekowskinot a cable00:39
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DocScrutinizerthen it must be dirt on the flat contact areas00:40
DocScrutinizeror actually a loose solder joint00:40
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jacekowskifuck yeah00:50
jacekowskiit's working00:50
RST38hthe usb?00:50
jacekowskiyes00:51
RST38hcoool00:51
romaxa_homeMohammadAG:microb sources https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/  client server https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/00:52
jacekowskiwhen did that happen00:53
RST38hromaxa:OMG, you have finally published the browser client sources???00:54
jacekowskiit looks like it00:56
mikhaswow00:56
mikhaswhy not 1 year earlier ...00:56
jacekowskinobody cares now00:56
RST38hromaxa: Just tell where the goddamn reflow option is in the code00:56
mikhasharhar00:56
jacekowskiopera is released00:56
RST38hSo that we can finally enable it00:57
jacekowskiopera ftw00:57
RST38hopera sucks battery pretty badly00:57
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DocScrutinizer<yawn> what's up?00:58
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jacekowskii really wish fluke would open source software for my meter00:59
DocScrutinizerLOL00:59
DocScrutinizerwho's using FLUKE doesn't mess with source code00:59
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jacekowskiit has full ARM inside00:59
jacekowskiand lots of fluke asics01:00
DocScrutinizeryou also don't tune your Ferrari01:00
jacekowskiyou do01:00
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jacekowskiand i don't have a ferrari01:00
RST38hNeither of you has a Ferrari01:00
DocScrutinizerbah, I have 1701:01
RST38hDoc: 1:43? =)01:01
jacekowskimatchbox models don't count01:01
DocScrutinizernah, I think it's a Ferarri Sunglasses01:01
DocScrutinizer(sic!)01:01
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ferrari-electronic.de/01:05
dangergrrloh btw i found the reason for the whole cascade of 'disconnect or change internet connection' requests01:05
dangergrrland it is a bug01:05
DocScrutinizerin?01:06
dangergrrlif you have an xmpp chat channel open in conversations it somehow thinks it detects your net connection dropping when it didn't01:06
dangergrrland it queues a connect to internet request01:06
DocScrutinizerit?01:06
DocScrutinizerCousin It?01:06
dangergrrli haven't looked at the code but something is not consolidating multiple such requests into a single request01:07
* DocScrutinizer whistles "...the Addams Family"01:07
dangergrrli'm presuming it's an event queued via dbus01:07
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dangergrrlempathy/telepathy queues a request to connect to the internet01:08
DocScrutinizersounds sensible01:08
dangergrrli would have to look at the code to have a clue how to fix it01:09
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DocScrutinizertry a "dbus-monitor >>log.txt && dbus-monitor -s >>log.txt"01:10
dangergrrli'm thinking that whatever prog reads those events should check if it has two such requests and drop the first and iterate before popping up the dialog01:10
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DocScrutinizerumm, it should simply drop further requests if dialog is open01:11
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dangergrrlit is  /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs*01:11
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dangergrrlif you kill that process while it's doing that it stops01:11
DocScrutinizeroh yeah, that bugger01:11
RST38hhow familiar, indeed01:11
dangergrrlhey, i found a bug i can actually fix01:12
dangergrrli'm on a roll01:12
DocScrutinizeryou can't01:12
dangergrrli haven't done code for a living in 11 years01:12
DocScrutinizerAFAIK that shit is closed01:12
dangergrrlthat's a closed component?01:12
dangergrrlbastards01:12
dangergrrli could but it would be a pain01:13
RST38hlooks like MicroB just got open01:13
merlin1991RST38h: what where01:13
RST38hlots of things to improve there, starting with enabling the text reflow01:13
dangergrrli bet it could be done by intercepting a .so even if it's a closed component01:13
RST38htps://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/  client server01:14
RST38hhttps://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/01:14
DocScrutinizerI'm not excited about microB. I'd not even be surprised it'd be open since long. It's browser-ui that's interesting01:14
RST38hDoc: isn't the client part the browser-ui?01:14
dangergrrli really like fennec's features but it so eats my machine01:14
RST38hfennec is a pig01:15
DocScrutinizer:shrug:01:15
RST38httg01:15
DocScrutinizertime to google?01:15
DocScrutinizer~ttg01:15
DocScrutinizer~wtf ttg01:15
infobotGee...  I don't know what ttg means...01:15
dangergrrlactually i need to watch some video so i can delete it and clear up disk space01:16
dangergrrltime to go?01:16
dangergrrlthe tempest gains?01:16
DocScrutinizerdon't tell me about video :-S Watched a livestream this evening, and it ate mediaplayer01:16
dangergrrloh, i have like 6gb of stuff on my pc that miro has downloaded01:17
DocScrutinizerhad to reboot the shit01:17
dangergrrlrichard dawkins i just watched talking about his latest book01:17
DocScrutinizeruntil that completed, the report was over01:17
dangergrrlpresinting the overwhelming evidence for evolution which he says is motivated by 40% of people in the usa believing the earth is 10k years old and that no evolution happened01:18
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dangergrrli think he is nieve, for many of that group it is a religious belief and not subject to refutation by fact01:19
* DocScrutinizer checks if meanwhile the program is available in mediathek01:19
nox-http://zdfmediathk.sourceforge.net/ btw01:19
nox-(no idea if that runs on the phone tho... :)01:19
nox-its java01:20
DocScrutinizer3sat.de/nano01:20
nox-ah they streamed that today?01:20
DocScrutinizerthey do every night01:20
nox-heh never noticed...01:20
nox-what was the bit you missed about?01:21
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iluminator101what an app for n900 that records a live phone call?01:25
SpeedEvilI vaguely recall 'recaller' can do this.01:26
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chem|stiluminator101: it also eats up your mem by time (was a python widget last time I checked)01:31
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iluminator101hmm...01:32
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chem|stiluminator101: python-plugin-loader or something will end up freeing you from ram (eating it)01:35
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DocScrutinizer51nox-: mediaplayer froze on "loading cache buffer" the very moment they started talking about geocaching with smartphones01:41
nox-ew01:41
DocScrutinizer51:fP01:41
DocScrutinizer51:-P01:41
DocScrutinizer51guess it's been coincidence, as the mediathek playback worked ok01:42
DocScrutinizer51strange bit is I've seen exactly same behaviour before, like in January or sth01:43
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nox-what was the bit you missed in jan?01:49
DocScrutinizer-8no idea01:53
DocScrutinizer-8but it failed in exactly same situation, with same symptoms01:53
dangergrrlhttp://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_taceye_lt.html01:54
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dangergrrldid you see that one earlier?  no price listed01:54
nox-same situation == steaming 3sat, or == 3sat talking about geocaching? :)01:54
dangergrrlonly partially covers one eye01:54
DocScrutinizer-8dunno01:55
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RST38hdangergrrl: It absolutely must come with a red super LED02:00
RST38hBorg-like02:01
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pupnikfps fps fps fps02:03
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RST38hWhen you get above 60, remember, it is fooling you =)02:03
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pupnikRST38h: yap02:09
pupnikRST38h: are you interested in a hq2x scaler proggie?  :)02:09
RST38hpupnik: I have it =)02:09
pupniki think i'm close to getting a working output02:09
pupniki need a commandline prog to scale .pngs to 2x02:10
pupnikso i can convert all the bitmaps in this game02:10
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RST38hpngscale?02:11
pupnikwell, using the hq2x scaler, and preserving transparency02:11
RST38hyou will have to write your own02:12
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: interesting products there03:30
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dangergrrli bet the one i linked is expensive; it's "call for price"04:16
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pupnikhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=977489&postcount=2   zip attachment, hq2x scaler05:42
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pupnikSegmentation fault05:54
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pupnikFPS: Best (6), Worst (2)06:40
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Cleetushttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2220213673_2975919621.jpg  my picture07:04
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chxCleetus: lol07:30
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internetishardhow could I find out how much power the SIP client is taking up? I had to change the keep alive time to 30s to keep it from saying "authentication failed" half the time....08:19
robbiethe1sthow much 'power'?08:22
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internetishardrobbiethe1st: not sure what to say, battery life?08:34
Cleetusinternetishard: bq27220.sh will tell you how much power you are using08:34
internetishardfor individual apps?08:34
internetishardor processes or whatever08:35
Cleetusno08:35
internetishardI'm just curious about the SIP client08:35
Cleetusmeasure power consumption08:35
Cleetusthen start client and measure power consumption08:35
internetishardwith and without it?08:35
internetishardk08:35
Cleetusyou cannot measure consumption of individual apps08:36
Cleetusand don't say 'android'08:36
internetishardDid I?08:36
Cleetus:)08:36
internetishardWhen did I say Android?08:36
Cleetusyou were thinking it08:37
internetishardlol, not sure why I would be08:37
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internetishardI prefer maemo after seeing all my friends Android problems08:37
internetishardOr more specifically, limitations/inabilities08:38
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Cleetus:D08:41
Cleetusandroid does have some good innovations we could use08:42
Cleetusin the kernel08:42
Cleetusbut they threw away the rest of gnu/linux, which sucks dog logs08:42
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Cleetusi'm afraid n900 may be the best we get for a long, long time08:43
Cleetusa high-water mark of civilization, so to speak08:44
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Cleetushttp://i.imgur.com/ucnl1.png   why i want that hq2x scaler08:46
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silverblade_hello guys09:19
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silverblade_hey guys i was able to Share my computer's Internet with my N900...!!09:20
silverblade_but i am facing some problem...upgrading or installing packages on it...!!09:21
silverblade_Can anyone tell me how to Use Proxy Server with Application Manager....??????????09:22
silverblade_i googled a lot also tried to search it on forum...still was not able to make09:22
silverblade_is there anyone who knows how to do it...!!09:22
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pupnikrahul: hi09:35
pupnikplease give more information09:36
rahulhey hi pupnik..09:36
pupnikwhat computer os, how did you share connection09:36
rahuli'll explain...09:36
rahuli connected my phone using usb networking09:37
rahulok i will explain in brief09:37
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rahuli opened a local port on n90009:38
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rahuland forwarded the proxy port  to same09:39
pupnikhttp proxy?09:39
rahuland in iceweasel browser i changed the proxy settings and i am able to connect09:39
rahulthrough proxy09:39
pupnikok09:39
rahuli can download the files using wget09:39
rahulby changing the variable http_proxy09:40
rahuli can download the debian packages directly using the proxy09:40
rahulthat i have forwarded from my computer to the debian09:40
DocScrutinizerhmm, I never really get the use of proxies, but in your case I guess you need proper forwarding on your PC09:40
pupnikyes09:40
rahulwell the think is i am in OFFIce right now09:41
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rahuland my company doesnt allow direct access to internet09:41
DocScrutinizeraah09:41
rahulso what i did is...the proxy that i use to access the internet on the comptuer...09:41
rahuli have forwarded it to port 80 of n90009:41
rahuland i told firefox to use localhost:8009:42
DocScrutinizersorry, I dunno if HAM would work over HTTP:80 only09:42
pupniklooks like apt can do http proxying (!)09:42
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rahulwow09:43
DocScrutinizerHAM is based on apt-get, so check that to get an idea09:43
rahulactully i tried that as well09:43
rahultried changing apt.conf file09:43
rahulbut seems it didnt like it09:43
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rahulone min...i will let you the exact error message09:43
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rahulunreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free avahi-daemon 0.6.24-0maemo1   Cannot initiate the connection to 80:80 (0.0.0.80). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free birthday 0.3-1   Cannot initiate the connection to 80:80 (0.0.0.80). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free fbreader 0.12.10-28   Cannot initiate the co09:45
pupniklooks like a malconfigured proxy line09:46
rahuli tired with the command # apt-get upgrade --fix-missing09:46
pupnikno no09:46
pupniklook at this 80:80 (0.0.0.80)09:46
pupnikhttp::proxy "http://user name:passw@host:port/"    host is not "80"09:47
rahulsilverblade:~# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf ACQUIRE { http::proxy "localhost:80" }09:47
pupnikyeah well you can't proxy from yourself09:47
pupniks/localhost/your_proxy_computer09:47
rahulbut the thing is i am using the same think in firefox09:47
pupnikwell don't09:47
rahulthing**09:48
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rahulcan you tell me what mistake i am doin09:48
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rahuland what shud i do in order to fix it :D09:48
pupnikhost09:48
pupnikis your09:48
pupnikproxy ip address09:48
pupnikcheers09:49
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rahulthanks pupnik09:50
rahul:D let me try it09:50
rahulhey tring still not working09:58
DocScrutinizer51internetishard: you're aware what keep-alive is for, what it's actually doing and how that will impact power consumption of esp the 3G modem?09:58
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rahulwow...its working now.........!!10:01
rahulthanks "PUPNIK"  "YOU ROCK MAN" :D10:01
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pupnikdaimonin client is nicely scalable - got it down to 30-40% cpu and it's pretty playable10:04
DocScrutinizer51meh, we only pointed to a basically very obvious plain text error msg, rahul10:04
rahulactully i havnt tried used apt-get much..!! yesterday i googled abt apt configuration...may i didnt read the apt-get man pages carefully10:06
rahulanyways thank you friends you are really helpful...and i would be happy to contribute to this community....:D10:07
DocScrutinizer51yeah, shame on you ;-D10:07
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DocScrutinizer51contribute is feasible: add the proper info to wiki10:07
meceHello there10:08
rahulsure :D10:08
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DocScrutinizer51moo mece10:09
rahulmy mail address is : rahul at live dot cn  | we can b friends doc.... :D10:09
rahulg2g guys...thanks and have a great day :D10:10
DocScrutinizer51fine, so now I know where to send flames to if thereams no prper "using proxy howto" appearing on wiki ;-)10:11
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jacekowskirahul: do you know that all spam crawlers already know how to deal with simple formatting like at and dot?10:21
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rahuljackowski : nope ... :D10:26
rahuljackowski: can you suggest a better way ?10:27
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internetishardDocScrutinizer, I know little about keep-alive... I'm trying to remedy an issue where at "auto" keep-alive time the SIP client says "authentication failed" whenever I leave my phone alone for a while. Any ideas?10:29
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: SIP, like any other service, needs to accept inbound messages (listening on port XY). NATs and Firewalls use outbound traffic to open up a inbound path so those msgs actually arrive at the port where (here) SIP is listening. As usually UDP is used and that's a connectionless protocol, there's no way for NAT/FW to determine such a so called session is obsolete when e.g you SIP client terminated. So there's a timeout that gets10:35
DocScrutinizerreset on each new data packet transferred over that session (aka port). Keep-alive is sending msgs/packets to reset that timer.10:35
DocScrutinizerso, to fix issues like yours, the best approach is to increase the session timeout on the NAT/FW that acts up10:36
internetishardThis is over 2g/3g10:36
internetishardon wifi it doesn't do that10:36
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internetishardAlso, the odd thing is that I have two accounts with the same provider (voip.ms), and one account this happens and another it doesn't (the one it doesn't is using the server overseas, and the one that does is using the server closest to me... Riddle me that!10:37
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DocScrutinizerthat's particularly bad then, as then that's your 3G provider that (possibly on purpose) spoils the NAT session for SIP10:37
internetisharddoes = "authentication failed" after some time10:38
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DocScrutinizerusually SIP proxies do that keep-alive sending business for you, as for NAT it doesn't matter if the packet is outbound or in. Timer gets reset on both10:39
internetishardHmmm, I'm gonna mess with the "loose routing" setting some more10:41
DocScrutinizeryou might try to change port 5060 to sth different - like 5072. Most SIP providers don't mind10:41
DocScrutinizerloose routing also is a rather important setting sometimes10:42
internetishardThanks10:42
DocScrutinizerSIP is really complex10:42
internetishardIndeed10:42
internetishardHow's physics?10:42
internetishardAny cosmology book recommendations?10:42
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DocScrutinizerhah10:45
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jacekowskimy carrier just blocks sip10:46
DocScrutinizerRobot101: do ou know if telepathy-sip is dealing with "roaming" (change of client's IP) ?10:46
jacekowskiand i can't do anything about it10:46
internetishardI use tmobile - whatever that is now - and I've been able to use SIP over 3G10:46
DocScrutinizerRobot101: obviously telepathy *should* detect this condition and re-register to SIP registrar, using the new IP10:47
Sc0rpiushttp://www.engadget.com/2011/03/29/nokia-promises-strong-symbian-devices-through-windows-phone-tran/10:47
Sc0rpiusI wonder if the would make an OTA update to Maemo too10:47
internetishardI can also stay connected while on 2G and answer, but I have to switch to 3G if I want the other person to understand me10:47
Sc0rpiusthat would kinda suck10:47
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: yes, obviously bandwidth of simple 2G usually is too low for RTP audio10:49
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DocScrutinizerinternetishard: EDGE (2.5) should work if it's at max, esp for uplink10:50
internetishardIndeed, I think it has10:50
internetishardBut as soon as it isn't maxed issues occur10:50
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DocScrutinizeryeah, there's RTCP so the far end could tell local user agent about the problems so both could negotiate a more humble codec for audio RTP. But that's usually not supported10:52
mardyDocScrutinizer: IIRC, in the N800 the situation was detected by mission-control, who informed tp-sofiasip; in the N900 I think it was removed, because tp-sofiasip was able to handle the situation itself10:53
JaffaMorning, all10:53
mardyDocScrutinizer: but I'm not 100% sure about it10:53
DocScrutinizer(actually it's way more complex, but no use in elaborating here)10:53
DocScrutinizermardy: thanks anyway10:54
DocScrutinizermardy: in line with what I'd have expected telepathy to do10:54
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DocScrutinizermardy: the tricky part is you can't guarantee your NIC's IP will change when modem is roaming from 2G to 3G for instance. Your NAT might give you a new public IP while you (by incident) get same LAN IP10:58
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alteregoI thought IP was per session10:59
DocScrutinizerso as soon as you're behind a NAT there seems to be no other way than ping STUN server on a regular schedule, to determine if your public IP is unchanged10:59
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DocScrutinizerI usually work around that by setting re-registration time down to 120s..300s11:02
DocScrutinizerif there's an option to do so - like in twinklephone :-D11:03
DocScrutinizeralterego: sorry?11:03
alteregoI thought you were talking about network swtching ober GSM :P11:03
alteregoMy mistake11:03
meceOT but bwuahahahah http://rocknewsdesk.com/world-news/napster-boss-set-to-buy-metallicas-record-label/11:04
pupnikno way11:05
alteregoHeh11:05
mecewhat goes around comes around, as they say11:05
alteregoDid Metallica have that huge thing agaist p2p?11:05
mecethey shut down napster11:05
alteregoAh,11:07
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yaccAnyone got an idea how to prevent the screen saver from the cmdline? gconf? dbus?11:54
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DocScrutinizerumm yes, probably :-P11:55
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yaccDocScrutinizer: I've found /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/* => but I'm not sure what to kill to make the values go live, ...12:01
psycho_oreosnever thought one would like to put fancy screen savers on N900. Usually screen timeout (thus turning off) is the ideal solution. If its that then its usually dbus afaik.12:01
yaccWell, I want to prevent it while it's usb-connected and already fully charged? Seems to timeout on me, despite "always bright when charging" being selected, ...12:02
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yaccNow this could be also a malfunction, ..12:02
DocScrutinizerI suspect a dbus msg to mce should do it12:02
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timeless_w7ipyou definitely talk to mce12:03
* timeless_w7ip can't remember if it's dbus12:03
psycho_oreosI know with dbus you can control the brightness level but barely12:03
DocScrutinizerwhat else? ;-)12:03
psycho_oreosI haven't figured out how to make the screen remain lit and have had me N900 run flat with the screen on and charging through microUSB connection to computer12:04
yaccWell, actually, what I'm doing is turning the brightness down via /proc, but for x11vnc to work I need to make the n900 think that it's not blanked, because that makes vncviewer go black too :(12:04
yaccpsycho_oreos, well, that's why I do echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness12:05
yaccpsycho_oreos, that makes the hardware go really dim, without the software noticing, overly ;)12:05
psycho_oreosyacc, well you could probably make a script to do that when you run x11vnc, kinda like a wrapper script12:06
yaccOk, I'll reboot the n900, perhaps it's just a temporal bug.12:06
DocScrutinizeralas dbus-monitor neither on system nor session bus can find some interesting stuff when I switch simple brightness applet to always_on12:06
yaccpsycho_oreos, well, for x11vnc to work it needs the n900 to think that it did not blank the screen, or the vnc screen turns black too.12:07
DocScrutinizeryacc: yes, this for sure is a bug that sounds like mce blew chunks12:07
yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, my 1st N900 did not have that issue, ...12:07
psycho_oreosyacc, dim but still blanking with that command?12:07
yaccpsycho_oreos, yeah, it blanks, but let's see if a reboot solves that.12:08
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psycho_oreosyacc, ahh ok12:08
yaccpsycho_oreos, and yes, x11vnc & vncviewer gets started from the usbnet configuration script that is run indirectly from pcsuite-enable.sh ;)12:08
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yaccMost people consider me crazy when they notice that my desktop pops up a window with the phone UI when I plug it into USB ;)12:09
psycho_oreosI'd probably use x11vnc more if I could get rid of the lag12:10
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psycho_oreosthe lag is far worse than for one to hook their N900 up to TV screen for instance12:11
DocScrutinizeryacc: check mce.ini12:12
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DocScrutinizeryacc: make sure you got no fubar modules like e.g lp5523 included by powerkernel, which is known to cause mce to segfault occasionally12:13
DocScrutinizersame applies for (early ?) versions of fcam, that directly accesses /sys/*/*/led:r/brightness and thus causes mce to barf12:14
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yaccDocScrutinizer: I installed fcam by mistake, but I thought that I've solved that one, because the standard camera app started to work again.12:19
yaccAnyway, a reboot cured the problem.12:19
DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: wow?12:20
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yaccpsycho_oreos, the lag is quite a bit better via USB than WLAN.12:20
psycho_oreosyacc, indeed but still unbearable12:20
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crashanddieso, geek question12:20
crashanddiewhat can I do against a fried HD?12:20
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crashanddieI tried freezing it, didn't help12:21
yaccpsycho_oreos, and my central use for VNC is to have a sensible keyboard and display, so I can use the N900 as my total and complete communication central.12:21
DocScrutinizershit, was going to suggest that ;-P12:21
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: replace electronics12:21
crashanddiewell, I don't know if it's worth the trouble12:21
DocScrutinizeror send in to a commercial data recovery center12:22
psycho_oreosyacc, there's still heaps of limitations with using x11vnc, granted that its a hell lot more easier to deal with a proper sized keyboard, mouse pointers and what not12:22
crashanddiedefo not worth the trouble12:22
DocScrutinizerso the answer is "use the sledge hammer"12:22
DocScrutinizerhelps against all kinds of fried HDDs12:23
psycho_oreosusually freeze trick should work, there was an old blog that I read of someone replacing the board on the underside of the HD. The donor HD's component must be a close replica to the one being donated12:23
crashanddieyeah, that's easy12:23
crashanddiebut finding the HD is trickier12:23
crashanddieit's just 8 months old though, which is kind of a bummer12:23
psycho_oreosindeed.. sometimes fleabay (ebay) may help12:23
crashanddiemy gf's computer12:23
crashanddieI'll probably send it in for repair, and she'll get a new HD12:24
yaccpsycho_oreos, well, MicroB does not want to scroll, the keyboard has a weird keymap (and you cannot enter symbols not found on the hardware keyboard of the N900, you need to press AltGr-Ctrl so the Symbol dialog pops up and press the button via mouse), and you need to slide open the keyboard or the onscreen keyboard pops up.12:24
DocScrutinizerhonestly, you can't do much if HDD went bonkers12:24
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crashanddieI know12:24
yaccpsycho_oreos, that's my list of irritations.12:24
crashanddieFirst thing I tried was the obvious SATA-USB cable to check if it worked12:24
crashanddieI tried to remain hopeful, she's got her uni docs on the drive12:24
crashanddiewhen that didn't work...12:24
DocScrutinizerdoes it start up?12:25
psycho_oreosyacc, lol those are also my main gripes with x11vnc apart from speed issues12:25
crashanddieThe disk? It spins OK, but I can hear the head cycling around12:25
crashanddieAnd it doesn't even register in BIOS/USB12:25
DocScrutinizerLOL12:25
yacccrashanddie, well, not sure, but I'm used to replace my laptops HDD yearly, because commuting weekly usually kills it after 12-24 months, without any especially bad happening, ...12:25
yacccrashanddie, is usually a good period, because after 12months you usually get a slightly bigger hdd, so /home can grow nicely.12:26
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crashanddieheh... My mbp has done well over 50k miles in planes, cars and trains, and still works fine12:26
psycho_oreosits really hard to say what the problem is without going through the normal procedural way. Such as replacing the controller on the HD, checking the disk, etc12:26
crashanddieI'll check the company hardware store12:27
DocScrutinizeryep12:27
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crashanddiewith luck we have a disk from same manufacturer/make12:27
yacccrashanddie, well, same ballpark for me, ...12:27
DocScrutinizerreplace controller PCBA, if that doesn't help or isn't possible, forget it12:27
crashanddieaye12:28
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crashanddieyacc, 50k miles in 6 months :P12:28
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crashanddieprobably 150k over 18 months12:28
yaccI wonder how we got to the point that most Linux people do not want to touch pulseaudio (or the previous generation of the idea), ...12:28
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yacccrashanddie, well with me it was usually 2x900km per week, usually by car (and that's bad, you never consider emergency braking and braking down from >200km/h as quickly as possible does usually send all kind of stuff flying, e.g. the laptop on the passenger seat), or train.12:31
crashanddieYou drive at > 200km/h?12:31
yaccWell, the A3 from Passau to Nürnberg tends to have not much traffic, ...12:32
crashanddieApparently, too much for 200kph if you have to do emergency braking ;)12:32
yaccSo yes, going onsite in Germany, I do like the Germans do ;)12:32
yacccrashanddie, not really, it's emergency, and my worst emergency in traffic have been in places that have speed limits.12:33
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pupnikhere's pupnik's nokia e900 wishdevice with keyboard http://i.imgur.com/SB256.png13:09
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xkr47pupnik, <313:10
xkr47but where is shift!13:11
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pupnikoh forgot it13:11
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xkr47also the nokia logo should be upside down for maximum humiliation13:11
xkr47:)13:11
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pupnikanyway with 4 rows you can pretty much do all the important things13:13
ruskiepupnik, where's META!!???13:13
pupnikanother good one13:14
chem|stpupnik: you are missing a shift key...13:15
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pupnikyeah13:16
chem|stand it is not a dvorak layout... shame on you!13:17
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timeless_w7ipso, combining shift and fn might not be that bad actually13:20
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DocScrutinizer-8wtf?13:20
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timeless_w7iptap once for shift, tap twice for fn?13:21
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pupnikyeah13:21
dangergrrlhas an esc key and a / key at least :)13:21
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timeless_w7ipmy main complaint is that ? should be near /13:22
timeless_w7ipnot on 913:22
DocScrutinizer-8WTF?!13:22
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DocScrutinizer-8how's capslock/fnßlock supposed to work then?13:22
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timeless_w7iphow often do you use capslock? beyond when you want to write WTF?13:23
DocScrutinizer-8you might consider having qualifier/meta keys on a qualified layer13:23
timeless_w7ip?13:24
DocScrutinizer-8timeless_w7ip: how often do you use fn-lock?13:24
pupnikok ok now i got it!13:24
timeless_w7ipi only use fn lock when i'm writing numbers13:24
pupnikwith ctrl and alt! http://i.imgur.com/mI6Ar.png13:24
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timeless_w7ippupnik: shift should be above fn13:25
fluxhow do you press fn+shift+something then :P13:25
timeless_w7ipit's somewhat traditional to have fn at lower left13:25
pupnikright,13:25
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pupniki was thinking you could do key combos easier that way13:26
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timeless_w7ipflux: fn is a modifier, you can trigger it first and then do something13:26
timeless_w7ipfn; shift + something13:26
DocScrutinizer-8BS13:26
timeless_w7ipchording is stupid13:26
timeless_w7ipyou don't press ctrl-alt-delete on a phone13:27
timeless_w7ipctrl-shift-p on the n900 is painful13:27
DocScrutinizer-8uhuh13:27
pupnikget it, the μ is on the 'm' key?  hahah13:27
DocScrutinizer-8seems you press shift-ctrl-p though13:27
dangergrrland i would like the current n900 keyboard better if it had [] the lack of esc would be more tenable13:27
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timeless_w7ipdangergrrl: i have most of the keys i need on my n90013:28
dangergrrlctrl then shift whatever to get ] would beat having to bring up an osk for esc13:28
timeless_w7ipi think {}[] are missing13:28
pupniknope, they're on 'fn's13:28
timeless_w7ipbut i have <>~13:28
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dangergrrli want esc or meta don't need both, the software i care about takes esc then char to be same as M-char13:30
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/29/sony_ericsson_android_boot_loader_unlock/ <-- hmm13:30
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dangergrrlanyhow i'm reading the 1979 pdp 11 processor handbook as a bedtime story13:30
pupnikoops, two GBP symbols13:31
pupnikhah13:31
dangergrrlif it doesn't make me sleepy i'll have to torrent a book on economics13:31
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dangergrrli remembered today that i have never read lions' commentary on the unix v6 source code because when i badly wanted it you had to know someone who has a copy13:32
chem|stdangergrrl: should send you some pdp 11 books...13:32
dangergrrljust trying to refresh enough to understand the .s files in unix v613:33
chem|stor the win2.1 handbook13:33
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chem|steichi: greetings to benztown13:34
eichiis there a kind of application or option to react on busy caller i want to call with recalling after 1 or 2 minutes?13:34
eichichem|st: ?13:34
chem|steichi: thought the stgt stands for stuttgart13:34
dangergrrli was comitted to the state nut lockup in oklahome once, they had this wonderful book comparing the cold war economies of us vs ussr i fell asleep in under 10 pages every time13:34
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eichiyeah, but was is "benztown" ?13:35
eichiah, okay ;)13:35
chem|ststgt is also refered as benztown13:35
timeless_w7ipeichi: i'm pretty sure there's a redialer somewhere13:35
eichiyes, thats true13:35
chem|stalthough it is sindlefingen^^13:36
dangergrrli suppose i could read armel databooks13:36
eichino way to config reaction on busy phone?13:39
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eichin900 is best smartphone on the world, but worst phone for calling i think ;D13:40
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dangergrrleichi: i was telling someone that earlier13:41
dangergrrlit's kinda crappy as a phone in some ways but i didn't buy it for that, it was a bonus feature13:41
eichiyeah, same to. but sometimes i thing, it would be hard to make some more phone features13:42
dangergrrlif you have firefox mobile open with a few tabs your phone call can be gone before you can switch to the phone app13:42
eichijust bought it because if nice hardware and olmost open linux (and choosing the OS)13:42
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dangergrrlit's an awesome handheld linux system with an active user/developer community13:43
eichiyeah, i use buildin browser, because firefox because for firefox its to slow a bit13:43
dangergrrlwhich is what i wanted13:44
dangergrrlwish the phone feature worked a little more reliably13:44
eichiyeah, same here. i'm on same position then you. doenst matter to say, that the phone functions are little bit fuc*ed up ;)13:44
dangergrrli considered android but android doesn't have an open source developer community behind it13:45
eichii liked the "call again in 1 minute" function of my old old old mobile phone ;)13:45
eichione day i will try meego (first dualboot)13:46
dangergrrlgoogle wants android devs to stay inside the java sandbox13:46
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dangergrrlkinda like chromeos almost wants to hide that it's linux13:47
pupnikhow does a cell phone answer a caller "call again in 1 minute" without two radios13:47
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eichipupnik: i mean (bad english sorry,) that if you call someone and he is busy (calling at the moment) then get a "busy" status from phone network for this person. in this case, you phone can as you "do you wanna try it automatically in 1 minute again?" then you say yes and phone makes a "sound" after 55 sec and after 60sec it calls the person again you tried to call13:49
eichiafter that, same with 2 minutes, then 5 and so on13:50
ruskiecould be doable I guess13:50
timeless_w7ipif there isn't something public for maemo13:50
eichithen you can work without thinking about it, and you get a acoustic notivy if the other person has a free phone13:50
timeless_w7ipthen i've definitely seen a demo somewhere for it13:50
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timeless_w7iphypothetically :)13:51
timeless_w7ipoh13:51
eichihow is this called on english, then i can try to search for?13:51
* timeless_w7ip ponders13:51
DocScrutinizereichi: should be simple to implement13:51
timeless_w7ipeichi: i'd search for 'redialler' but i think the demo i saw was actually fancier13:52
timeless_w7ipso it probably was private13:52
eichiDocScrutinizer depends on the extension APIs but i think so too13:52
DocScrutinizereichi: I bet a busy call is signalled on dbus, and you got dbus-scripting and cmdlime call initiation13:53
dangergrrlomg this pdp11 manual is too funny; i'll never sleep reading it13:55
DocScrutinizereichi: you'd need a small script to increase the redial delay time, and eventually stop (after 30min usually). Also rise a notifier about the redial in progress, with a "cancel" button13:55
timeless_w7ipsp3000: ping did i miss lunch?13:55
dangergrrl"The maximum transfer rate on the UNIBUS is one 16-bit word every 400ns..."13:56
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dangergrrlthat's funny13:56
eichii see in wiki. it can be done with dbus an python script13:56
eichiis  there a api for python to hilton desktop?13:57
DocScrutinizerpyqt?13:57
eichiis this default?13:57
DocScrutinizerdunno13:57
eichior how do applications normaly use the desktop things13:58
DocScrutinizerask somebody actually developing GUIs with python13:58
dangergrrlpyqt is you want forward compatibility with meego or like qt; pygtk if you don't like qt13:59
eichiqt is okay. I use it with c++ sometimes13:59
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dangergrrlbut i know nothing of python other than it's whitespace sensitive13:59
dangergrrlwhich seems stupid in the 21st century :)14:00
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eichibut never uses for the n900, just "normal machines"14:00
eichidangergrrl: yeah, its the ideal to force structure, with all its advantages and disatvantages14:00
eichi-t+d14:00
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dangergrrli don't think the fact that you can write horrible and ugly code detracts from the utility or power of C14:02
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chem|steichi: your dbus call will look something like this (for cmd) dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:'$NUMBER' uint32:014:04
dangergrrlyou can write bad code in any useful language14:04
eichichem|st: found the wiki articles allready, thanks14:04
chem|stah ok14:04
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eichidangergrrl: thats true14:05
eichihave to do some work now, cu14:07
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pupnikversion 5: pupnik's nokia e900 keyboard - the VNC-ing, shellscripting, scientific editing monster http://i.imgur.com/ih0PZ.png14:35
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pupnikfor whoever asked for function keys - those are shift 0-9 ;)14:36
ruskieis there some need for (R) (c) +/-14:36
pupnikyou can't type them14:37
pupnikthat could14:37
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chem|stbarely used... that's some for the symbol popup14:38
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sp3000timeless_w7ip: I didn't see you so I suspect you did14:39
pupnikdude the point is to have everything14:39
pupniksuggest something more important14:39
chem|stpupnik: make ctrl first lvl and you spare on home end and stuff keys14:40
pupnikwhat are you going to move for ctrl14:40
pupnikshow me14:40
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pupnikctrl needs to be able to send ctrl, for terminal, apps, vnc stuff14:41
chem|stactualy swap tab,fn and shift and make tab ctrl and fn+esc tab (ctrl+i is tab already)14:41
pupniknot for apps that need ctrl+i14:41
pupnik;)14:42
chem|stthen they brake with the design!14:42
pupnikvim needs ctrl-i14:42
pupnikbut i do like having ctrl be on first level14:43
chem|stmy vim interprets ctrl+i as tab...14:43
pupnikso oh duh14:43
pupnikwhy not just switch ctrl and tab on the same key14:44
chem|stin insert mode ctrl+i is tab in vim14:44
pupnikmake ctrl first level14:44
pupniktab = fn+ctrl14:44
chem|stas I want ctrl+shift for one finger14:44
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pupnikproblem there is when you need tab, you need to hit it frequently14:44
pupnikediting documents14:44
pupniksorry, MS Word does not recognize ctrl+i14:45
chem|stso what... with n900 I got used to ctrl+i14:45
chem|stare we talking µBS now?14:45
pupnikmany apps do not know it14:45
pupniktalking about what happens when you use it to vnc to your work computer14:45
chem|styes thats why fn+esc could be it14:45
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* pupnik nods14:46
pupnikcertainly many options14:46
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chem|stit is no option to have it in the sym-popup for sure but me thinks 2nd lvl is ok14:47
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chem|ston cmd I use ctrl+$key more often in combinations like ctrl+k <some entry> ctrl+i14:48
chem|stbut there is jumping words with alt+arrow also important14:49
chem|sta proper BT or wifi keyboard instead, for going productive in the first place14:49
chem|stI live edited websites during a meeting with n900, wasn't much slower than with a proper keyboard14:51
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Venemo_N900hey15:17
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trxanyone used usb to lpt adapter with the N900?15:48
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trxi'm not looking to print, but to control some IC15:49
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pupnikhttp://i.imgur.com/QZk2W.png   version 6 - Nakio E900 with larger display, battery15:59
RST38hThis is wazd's mockup, isn't it?16:01
nid016:10 tbh :<16:01
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pupnikyea16:05
pupnikoh drat16:05
pupnikmaths16:05
viszi kinda like the front facing camera16:06
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viszi've used it at least once for testing the google talk with video16:06
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pupnikdoes not computer16:07
RST38hpupnik <-- preparing for April 1st in advance16:07
pupnikyou need to broadcast your beauty with a HD camera visz16:07
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viszyou must mistake me for someone with a face that does not scare little children16:08
Venemo_N900visz: lol16:09
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RST38hWhy is everyone assuming that these cameras are used to show faces? Most often, they are not, it seems...16:10
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Venemo_N900RST38h: what?16:10
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Trewaschatroulette works with smartphones?16:11
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visz=)16:13
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pupnik<xxxnd> My grandmother and grandfather bought a house in 1950, for $5k, when they sell it, they sell it for $120k -- aproximatly the same price, adjusted for inflation.  But since they made a "profit", the government will tax them $35,000.16:25
xkr47:O16:26
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crashanddie$5k is not $120k adjusted for inflation.16:27
crashanddie$5k in 1950 would be roughly $50k these days16:27
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crashanddieso they made $70k profit, thus $35k tax is "acceptable"16:27
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crashanddiepupnik, I understand you enjoy being the radical neutron and all, but please don't spread other people's BS without checking facts first. kthxbai.16:28
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luke-jrcrashanddie: 50% tax is not "acceptable"16:32
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crashanddiewell, considering how "inflated" the initial statement was, I'm pretty sure they're not taxing $35k, but more something between $20k and $25k, which would be roughly the percentage of tax you get on short and long term capital gains16:34
crashanddie(which, IIRC, in the US is between 15 and 35%)16:35
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crashanddieluke-jr, also, don't forget that if you live in the UK, if you make over 150k a year, you're pretty much taxed 62.5%.16:35
xkr47if you make it in 60 years..16:36
* xkr47 adds more cute shit to the fan16:36
crashanddie(well, I don't know if the tax reform ever passed, but that was one of the proposed templates anyway)16:36
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crashanddiethe US has probably one of the worst taxation systems in the world...  American citizens have to pay "citizen taxes", even if they don't live in the country anymore16:37
luke-jrcrashanddie: including if it's a sale+purchase?16:39
crashanddiewell, there's one major question that should be answered, was it their primary residence, or not?16:39
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crashanddie"Under 26 U.S.C. §121 an individual can exclude up to $250,000 ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) of capital gains on the sale of real property if the owner used it as primary residence for two of the five years before the date of sale."16:40
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crashanddieSo, I'm calling utter and final BS on pupnik's quote.16:40
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RST38hAh...Jeremy Morlock, what a name...16:43
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Robot101DocScrutinizer: we don't do anything to detect or act on ip changes, it would be sofiasip's job. but, wouldn't the next keepalive message get authenticated and cause a re-register?16:44
DocScrutinizer51nope16:46
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DocScrutinizer51keep-alive is >vdev/null16:46
ZogGhahaha i have new box with iphone416:49
ZogGi need to sell it now16:49
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pupniksome people don't understand how inflation is a hidden tax16:49
xkr47but if you divide 35000 over 60 years, that's $500 a year..16:50
timeless_w7ipcalling it a tax is wrong16:54
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jacekowskitimeless_w7ip: in greece it was a tax17:01
SpeedEvilIt's only a tax if the reason for the inflation is quantative easing.17:01
jacekowskitimeless_w7ip: government was using is a way of taxing people17:01
timeless_w7ipheh17:01
jacekowskitimeless_w7ip: because everybody was avoiding paying taxes in "normal" way17:01
jacekowskitimeless_w7ip: that's why shit happened when they started using euro17:02
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, mce/backlight.so urgently needs some improvements: from a certain amboent brightness up it should disable backlight (as useless anyway) and increase contrast to max.17:22
viszsuch light levels are unknown in finland17:23
GAN900crashanddie, either way, it's still morally questionable to tell other people what to do with their money and property using people with guns.17:23
timeless_w7ipvisz++17:25
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pupnikN900 Idle: 112,103,116,111,103 = 109 mA (wlan on, cell radio off, med brightness)17:28
pupnik@ 12fps: 301,351,360,345,327 =  337 mA  (228 mA used by Daimonin)17:28
pupnik@ 55fps: 471+468+471+462+477 = 470 Ma (361 mA used by Daimonin)17:28
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DocScrutinizerNB medium brightness is useless for comparative purposes, as only max brightness is *not* massively dependent on ambient light17:53
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DocScrutinizereven then the real brightness might depend on display content as the LCD controller does adaptive backlight based on display max bright spot17:55
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DocScrutinizer(there's no use to power backlight at 100%, only to dim the dark spots to 0% and the bright spots to 10%. The controller is smart and dims *backlight* to 10%, compensating that by a 100% open LCD for the bright spot)17:56
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DocScrutinizerbtw even the LCD itself eats massive power for (usually) dimming down to black.17:58
DocScrutinizerwell, it seems N900 LCD is a black_off type, so probably it eats power for UNdimming large areas of screen17:59
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DocScrutinizerfor Neo FR this LCD control power been in the range of 40..60mA17:59
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DocScrutinizeriirc18:00
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: put a finger on camera/prox-sensor/ALS and see if your readouts vary18:02
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: also you should use some kinda standard display content for such evaluation18:03
pupnik_brighness was at 3 bars.  idle display was terminal, daimonin display was.. daimonin18:04
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above, 3 bars brightness means nothing18:05
pupnik_it was never dimmed18:05
DocScrutinizeryou'll notice that when you do the suggested covering of ALS18:05
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pupnik_oh i see what you mean yes18:06
pupnik_sorry, tired18:06
pupnik_well at least the lighting didn't change between the runs18:06
DocScrutinizergood18:07
DocScrutinizernow you're aware of the problem18:07
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DocScrutinizernow open painting program (or browser), two windows - one with all black background, the other all white background, and check power consumption for eachof them in foreground18:09
DocScrutinizerdo not change ambient light or brightness of backlight. Still you should probably see significant diffs18:10
pupnik_with sensor covered i'm getting 103-104 mA18:10
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DocScrutinizer(see diffs) as LCD controller - in one or two of its operation modes - will dim backlight to 0 for the all black display, even if your backlight control is set to 100%18:12
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ShadowJKI first thought it was just like an analog crt, but then I realized the brightness variation based on amount of black text vs whitespace is intentional :/18:14
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DocScrutinizercheck out content of nodes in /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm18:17
DocScrutinizercabc == C? Adaptive Backlight Control (?)18:18
DocScrutinizerC?ontent18:18
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DocScrutinizercat cabc_available_modes18:19
DocScrutinizeralso see brightness vs actual_brighness18:20
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pupnik_i got a bottle of liebfraumilch for my birthday and am enjoying my new game.  cheers18:21
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DocScrutinizerenjoy, cheers18:25
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DocScrutinizerhmm, actually even on backlight-control at step5(max) the brightness is at 255 as expected but actual_brightness is only 20718:34
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DocScrutinizeractual_brightness is brightness * correction_factor18:36
DocScrutinizerwhere correction factor is depending on brightness of (and percentage of area of) the most bright spots in display content18:37
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wazdhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=977728#post977728 ehehehe :D18:44
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DocScrutinizercabc_mode: moving_image gives actual_brightness:186 for a completely darkish screen and 218 for a screen with mostly max white brightness. mode ui gives min 211, max 238 for same content18:53
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DocScrutinizersurprise surprise, for cabc_mode off actual_brightness always == brightness18:58
pupnik_http://i.imgur.com/oHkpc.png  ok now improve the keyboard - swapped Ctrl and Tab18:58
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pupnik_DocScrutinizer: sorry i mentioned it :D18:59
DocScrutinizerpupnik_: eh?18:59
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pupnik_wazd: damn nice render you made there19:00
pupnik_notice the !@^%#@$% escape key is present19:01
wazdpupnik_: oh well, not quite render, but fun time indeed :)19:06
wazdpupnik_: wish I had 3d madskillz :(19:07
pupnik_it's beautiful19:07
pupnik_i particularly like the variant with 960x480 screen19:07
pupnik_it screams sexy19:07
wazdpupnik_: well, that's not my work anymore :D19:08
pupnik_what do you do now?19:08
RST38hmoo, wazd19:08
wazdRST38h: o/19:08
pupnik_you seem like a talented person19:09
wazdpupnik_: well, pretty much the same stuff as always, helping OSS with UI design :)19:09
wazdpupnik_: thanks :)19:09
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pupnik_i'm trying to make a better ui for a 800x600 game right now19:10
pupnik_did you see the picture series? // prototypes?19:10
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wazdpupnik_: I guess no :)19:11
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wazdRST38h: btw, checked e7 at the local store - you're a damn lucky bastard :D19:11
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pupnik_wazd: the situation - deciding how to revamp this 800x600 UI to n900 http://asset.100.ggftw.net/gallery/images/174/1_screen-1-01.png19:12
pupnik_so my approach was to find which information doesn't change often during game play19:12
pupnik_then hide that in modal menus19:12
wazdpupnik_: wow! That's complex :D19:13
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pupnik_http://www.daimonin.org/forums/daimonin-project/800x480-widget-client/msg94668/19:13
pupnik_you can skim that thread for some of the work19:13
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pupnik_but i bet you could make a kickass skin for that19:13
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pupnik_this is what i'm working with atm http://i.imgur.com/FaG14.png19:14
RST38hwazd: it is wonderful hardware and they have done their best on the sw19:14
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wazdpupnik_: is it some kind of mmorpg or something?19:17
pupnik_without the first m, yes19:17
wazdpupnik_: ah, ok :)19:17
pupnik_one thing that kills me... people who make objects that are full FFFFFF white, or red, or green19:18
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pupnik_leaves no dynamic range for light-emitting objects19:18
pupnik_it's not rocket science19:19
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pupnik_but they are like "this is supposed to be white -- therefore FFFFFF"19:20
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wazdpupnik_: well, I'd be happy to try myself at this task but I won't promise anything super-awesome :)19:20
pupnik_wazd: you can't do it unless you've played it though19:21
pupnik_since you also need to have a feel for what info is relevant19:21
crashanddiehaha, epic win on Omegle19:21
wazdpupnik_: can I try it? :)19:22
pupnik_but if you have any little ideas or suggestions i'm very attentive to them19:22
pupnik_you want try on n900 or on pc19:22
wazdpupnik_: PC's better19:23
pupnik_want current 800x480 layout or original client?19:23
wazdpupnik_: original19:23
pupnik_http://www.daimonin.org/download19:24
pupnik_widget client lets you reposition elements19:24
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pupnik_and you can replace any bitmap by copying a file into  daimonin/gfx_user19:25
pupnik_with the same name19:25
pupnik_(very nice idea)19:25
pupnik_if you have questions shout me in #daimonin19:25
wazdpupnik_: my initial idea is to copy Oblivion's UI cause it's a great example of complex Ui optimized for low resolution :)19:26
crashanddiehttp://img823.imageshack.us/img823/808/omegleepicwin.jpg19:26
pupnik_yeah19:27
pupnik_look at what some of these guys draw for item icons19:27
pupnik_http://i.imgur.com/BHG9u.png19:27
pupnik_'I MAKE RED POTION NOW'19:28
MohammadAGcrashanddie, meh, can't see it19:28
crashanddiecan't see it?19:28
MohammadAGhttp://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg19:28
crashanddiehttp://img823.imageshack.us/i/omegleepicwin.jpg/19:29
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crashanddielast time I use imageshack, I promise19:29
rm_workdoes anyone still use Packrat? i don't know if the script has even been running recently, the cron daemon on that host is less than reliable...19:30
MohammadAGcrashanddie, wtf, was that you?19:31
crashanddiethe "you", yes.19:31
MohammadAGthanks for the mindrape19:32
MohammadAGyou didn't plan that beforehand did you?19:32
crashanddieWhen I saw he was a troll19:32
spiritdanyone knows some good free finnish/nor/swe web hosting?19:35
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wazdpupnik_: well, I'm checking it roght now on the public server :)19:41
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: nice20:07
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lolcatSomeone is leeching of my ad-hoc, what should I do?20:14
SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCkpOxBBnkY lolcat20:15
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lolcatloading that on 3,5g is painfull20:19
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lolcatEspecially when I am not the only one20:19
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DocScrutinizertoo long20:21
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DocScrutinizeralso each time I hear sb pronouncing router like outer with a leading R, my toenails curl up. R-out 66, the famous American highway, or what?20:24
lolcatDoes tat workl on the n90020:24
lolcatEven ssh is lagging :S20:25
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SpeedEvilhttp://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/presscon8.html hot pictures coming up!20:28
SpeedEvil(mercury orbiter)20:28
Venemohow can I connect the N900's RCA video output to a monitor with a VGA input? is there such an adapter?20:29
SpeedEvilYes.20:30
SpeedEvilhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CCTV-Composite-S-Video-VGA-BNC-VGA-Converter-Adapter-/160492140781?pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item255e13b8ed20:30
SpeedEvilOr similar.20:31
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Venemowill the monitor be able to interpret the signal from the N900?20:34
SpeedEvilNo.20:35
SpeedEvilThe above box converts the composite signal into VGA20:35
Venemomhm20:35
VenemoSpeedEvil, thanks20:38
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DocScrutinizernow that's one cheap piece of digital hardware. Incredible20:49
DocScrutinizer17 bucks o.O20:49
keriocomposite = suxx0rz20:49
spiritdL20:50
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: i blame you21:00
jacekowskiMohammadAG: i had frequency converter explode today21:01
jacekowskiMohammadAG: and it came from israel21:01
MohammadAGdamn, you're still alive?21:01
MohammadAG:P21:01
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jacekowskiit almost got me21:03
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MohammadAGseriously?21:07
jacekowskiyes21:08
jacekowskias in, 10s before explosion i was staring right at it21:09
jacekowskibut i moved away to look at scope and then bang21:09
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: damn, you shouldn't mess with such explosive devices21:12
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: better use some surplus Japanese nuclear reactors21:12
DocScrutinizeror proper equipment made in Germany :-D21:13
jacekowskipfffffffffff21:14
jacekowskiwe use engines from all around the world21:15
jacekowskiincluding germany21:15
jacekowski( MTU )21:15
jacekowskiand there is only one thing that you can be sure about them, it's not going to work on first try21:15
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MohammadAGI'd be more interested in why it exploded21:18
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pupnik_do not use that word21:23
MohammadAGwent kaboom, whatever :)21:23
pupnik_there are a lot of dumb people21:24
pupnik_with political power21:24
pupnik_really idiots21:24
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pupnik_i mean the best thing about the total orwellian state is that computer people have to run it21:25
pupnik_and they aren't all bad21:25
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pupnik_like derf21:25
pupnik_but people like doc|home are evil21:25
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pupnik_neocons21:26
DocScrutinizerhey Echeon! I'll ship an exploded view of my fromble tomarrow! :-P21:26
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pupnik_DocScrutinizer: have you read up on the torture that they used ?21:27
pupnik_recent leaks21:27
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pupnik_there's no point in promoting open source21:28
pupnik_unless it is combined with an awareness of data privacy21:28
pupnik_and the people who want to spy on you21:28
pupnik_that includes the israeli attempts to collect all phone connections via amdocs21:28
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DocScrutinizeractually I'd also like to know what exactly exploded in a freq converter. Was that a 20kW unit, and it simply evaporated a 6^mm copper wire?21:29
pupnik_what21:29
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pupnik_DocScrutinizer: we need a fidonet for phones21:29
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pupnik_fidonet helped bring down the soviet empire21:30
DocScrutinizerthat's called SIP21:30
pupnik_how does that work without cell towers21:30
DocScrutinizer:shrug: ad-hoc WLAN?21:31
pupnik_i dunno21:31
pupnik_we are defeated by genetics anyway21:31
pupnik_the current social structure promotes procreation by the stupid21:31
pupnik_so some culling is in order21:32
pupnik_and will happen21:32
DocScrutinizerI don't care ;-D - I'm an old fart and I have no kids XP21:32
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pupnik_but before the collapse we have to spread the core information21:33
pupnik_you can care about whatever you want21:33
pupnik_no kids means you are much more free to focus21:33
pupnik_and for your own enlightenment you have to learn about central banking21:34
pupnik_and visit mises.org21:34
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pupnik_i'm just setting up my enemies21:35
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DocScrutinizervive l'anarchie - with me as prime anarcheror21:37
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pupnik_anyway the masses are dog turds21:49
pupnik_they watch tv21:49
pupnik_they go to government schools21:49
pupnik_they are dreck21:49
pupnik_and if they read a newspaper... the opinions are programmed by....21:49
pupnik_der spiegel21:49
pupnik_the new york times21:50
pupnik_the washington post21:50
pupnik_and the alternative forums are held by gatekeepers21:51
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pupnik_people who prevent people from seeing the root causes21:51
pupnik_one of them is here, now21:51
pupnik_they do it consciously21:52
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pupnik_machiavellian21:52
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tychhow do install the maemo flasher-3.5 from a tar package_22:03
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andre__tych, install? where? why? unpack?22:06
ThreeMbähh, firefox 4 still suckes on N90022:08
jacekowskifirefox sucks not only on N0-22:09
jacekowskiN90022:09
jacekowskiopera ftw22:09
ThreeMmicrob is still my favorite22:09
jacekowskiit's firefox pretty much22:09
ThreeMsure22:10
ThreeMthe engine22:10
ThreeMbut still faster than firefox 4, has flash support,  runs quite good22:10
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OkropNickMohammadAG: ping22:15
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MohammadAGpong22:17
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OkropNickMohammadAG: Can you help me to debug error in 'hildon-sv-notification-daemon' ?22:21
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MohammadAGI think that's closed source22:26
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OkropNickehhh...22:26
pupnik_you meet someone who is pro war22:26
pupnik_punch them in the fucking face22:26
pupnik_and make it count22:26
pupnik_break teeth22:26
pupnik_and go fuck yourself doc|home22:27
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tychIs it possible to use the powerkernel without flashing from a computer _23:11
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ThreeMjust install it from repository?!23:14
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Puchatyhow to run community SSu enabler from terminal?23:53
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