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| RST38h | Ah, the pleasure of flying in the US... | 00:17 |
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| alterego | Hurp, only got 3.2G free on my N900 :/ | 00:17 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ? | 00:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | rst: visual strip searches? | 00:22 |
| RST38h | timeless: after reading through the list of TSA policy changes, I am wondering if they go with anal probes nowadays | 00:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | considering that's where they hide all the good drugs | 00:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't see why not | 00:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2011/03/03/khmer-arrested-with-500-amphetamines-hidden-in-anus/ | 00:24 |
| RST38h | ...and just 10 years ago I could come to IAD 40 minutes before the flight, walk in, and walk out at Logan in 50 minutes | 00:24 |
| RST38h | or 1:50, no longer remember | 00:24 |
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| RST38h | timeless: not surprising, it is a standard hiding place, in ceertain social circles. | 00:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's a 90min flight atm | 00:25 |
| RST38h | yea, 50min is NYC | 00:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | did you fly to JFK or? | 00:25 |
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| RST38h | No, I took an Aeroflot flight directly to IAD | 00:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | you mentioned 50min is NYC | 00:26 |
| RST38h | No longer flying through JFK or ATL, too risky to spend a night there | 00:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | was that IAD=>JFK ? | 00:26 |
| RST38h | timeless: IAD->BOS, but I flew to/from JFK before | 00:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's a 70min flight | 00:26 |
| RST38h | also flew BWI->JFK and BWI->BOS (much less trouble than IAD, too) | 00:27 |
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| timeless_w7ip | yeah, my family prefers BWI | 00:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | i like IAD because i tend to take Metro(WMATA) | 00:28 |
| RST38h | Can't take metro directly to IAD (unlike Reagan/National) | 00:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | err sorry yeah not IAD | 00:28 |
| * timeless_w7ip sighs | 00:28 | |
| timeless_w7ip | National | 00:28 |
| alterego | 4.7G now | 00:28 |
| alterego | Better than the 200M I had yesterday .. | 00:28 |
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| timeless_w7ip | DCA | 00:29 |
| RST38h | Yea, I flew from/to National through Atlanta to Moscow, until Delta took a habit of cancelling ATL->DCA flights | 00:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | heh | 00:29 |
| * timeless_w7ip used to remember more airport codes | 00:30 | |
| RST38h | ATL has also got epic security lines | 00:30 |
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| timeless_w7ip | but anyway, BWI is reachable via AMTRAK to 2 metro stations iirc | 00:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | but it's pretty inconvenient | 00:30 |
| RST38h | I can drive to the freaking BWI in 20 minutes, who needs Amtrak... | 00:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | so you'd just use it if you have a car | 00:31 |
| * timeless_w7ip doesn't have a car | 00:31 | |
| RST38h | Not a good idea in this area... | 00:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | metro + DCA works nicely | 00:31 |
| RST38h | Given than most streets are missing sidewalks even | 00:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | and someday they'll fix IAD | 00:32 |
| RST38h | yea, but only if you live in the DC or vicinity (Silver Spring, College Park, etc) | 00:32 |
| * timeless_w7ip did | 00:32 | |
| timeless_w7ip | for college park though you could use amtrak to bwi | 00:33 |
| RST38h | IAD is one of two (I think) US airports owned and managed by the US government. I hope it answers your question about "fixing" IAD :) | 00:33 |
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| timeless_w7ip | fix in this context is finish extending the metro line to it | 00:33 |
| RST38h | Ah, that... Prolly not, given the distance and the costs. But maybe they will lay some railway there... | 00:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_%28Washington_Metro%29 | 00:34 |
| RST38h | Interesting how Russians did manage to lay rails to all three of MOW airports, costs nonwithstanding | 00:34 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it's scheduled for 2016 | 00:34 |
| RST38h | Ah,they want to extend orange/blue lines... | 00:35 |
| RST38h | Clever, although the result will probably be as messy as NYC subway :) | 00:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | not a chance | 00:36 |
| RST38h | Orange/Blue thing already leads to some messy train schedules | 00:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WMATA_Thin_Silver_Line_Map.jpg | 00:36 |
| RST38h | Adding Silver will make it funnier. | 00:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | Yes, DC still has a long way to go! | 00:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah, and not really enough fun places to go to | 00:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | so sorry, not going to happen | 00:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | i mean, there's still hope for a purple line | 00:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | but even that won't give wmata enough to look anything like the mess that is nyc | 00:39 |
| RST38h | WMATA network has been architected. NYC one grew from several independent operators merging and swallowing each other. | 00:39 |
| RST38h | But I am sure that by encouraging drug use within WMATA offices, we can reach the target relatively quickly. | 00:40 |
| dangergrrl | IAD is dulles? | 00:40 |
| RST38h | yes | 00:41 |
| dangergrrl | i flew from there once to houston | 00:41 |
| dangergrrl | lived in central va, was way cheaper than richmond and about the same drive | 00:41 |
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| RST38h | Well, I normally fly to Moscow and back, so it is either IAD or DCA for me. | 00:42 |
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| timeless_w7ip | yeah i generally confuse IAD w/ DCA | 00:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | because i've flown in/out via IAD much more than DCA and forget DCA's letters :( | 00:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | (i've rarely used BWI) | 00:42 |
| RST38h | BWI is much better for local flights: has got cheaper airlines, and is easier to access in general | 00:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | rst: sadly WMATA has really painful financial constraints | 00:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | which means drugs won't help make the map grow | 00:43 |
| dangergrrl | i've mostly flown in/out from DIA more than anywhere else | 00:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | you generally have to drug people in two states, one district and both houses of congress :) | 00:44 |
| dangergrrl | about the cheapest place in us to fly to/from; thank you frontier air | 00:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | is frontier still around? | 00:44 |
| RST38h | AFAIK yes | 00:44 |
| * timeless_w7ip has lost track of consolidation in the states | 00:44 | |
| dangergrrl | yes, and all frontier flights except two to mexico start or end in denver | 00:44 |
| RST38h | Been on the travelocity list, I think | 00:44 |
| RST38h | timeless: WMATA is a bunch of wasteful bureaucrats | 00:45 |
| RST38h | timeless: Same as goddamn AMTRAK (which charges more for tickets than airlines) | 00:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | hey, wmata works | 00:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | and amtrak does too | 00:45 |
| RST38h | They all work, the question is, at what cost | 00:45 |
| * timeless_w7ip shrugs | 00:45 | |
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| dangergrrl | but you don't have to let wierdos see your junk to ride amtrak | 00:46 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: AFAIK, this is not for long, TSA started operating at train stations recently | 00:46 |
| dangergrrl | oh wonderful | 00:47 |
| dangergrrl | glad i have a motorcycle | 00:47 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Wait for roadblocks then :) | 00:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | was to bos via amtrak is 158$ | 00:47 |
| RST38h | One way. | 00:47 |
| RST38h | BWI<->BOS via Airtran is $248. | 00:47 |
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| RST38h | Also look for possible requirement to transfer at NYC, lots of potential adventure there | 00:48 |
| dangergrrl | amtrak has a station in taylor though which is way closer than austin bergstrom from here | 00:49 |
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| alterego | Oh, heh, just found my Windows 7 ultimate iso | 00:51 |
| alterego | I can make that VM I've been meaning to do for ages .. | 00:51 |
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| Venemo | Mohammad-, MohammadAG, ping | 00:53 |
| dangergrrl | amtrak here to denver april 12 one way $240; your choice of 4 airlines round trip 14/16 april $170 | 00:53 |
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| derf | Yes, but on Amtrak you have electricity and no one sometimes yer nuts. | 00:54 |
| dangergrrl | if TSA starts doing security for amtrak why would anyone take them over an airplane? | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Actually, having power is a big plus, yes | 00:54 |
| dangergrrl | power is a plus | 00:54 |
| derf | TSA tried to do Amtrak security. | 00:55 |
| RST38h | dangegrrl: nobody does as they are, if I understand things correctly | 00:55 |
| derf | Amtrak kicked them out. | 00:55 |
| dangergrrl | my n900 has enough battery to fly for 2 hours though | 00:55 |
| RST38h | derf: ORLY? Nice | 00:55 |
| RST38h | danger: 8 hours of playing Othello and reading in FBReader here. | 00:55 |
| Gyjf | java on n900, does that work? | 00:55 |
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| dangergrrl | i heard there was a big push for a nationwide maglev train network in the usa | 00:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | gytf: you can install it from a repo | 00:55 |
| derf | RST38h: http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/188504/2059127.aspx | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Mainly got let down by FBreader, that Rob1n guy broke something in my careful power manage,ment adjustments ;) | 00:56 |
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| dangergrrl | at some incredible cost of course | 00:56 |
| dangergrrl | and noone takes trains as it is | 00:56 |
| derf | I'm not aware of any push for nationwide maglev. | 00:56 |
| RST38h | derf: they will be back, sadly | 00:56 |
| dangergrrl | actually flying is on a par for price with greyhound | 00:57 |
| dangergrrl | cheaper for roundtrip | 00:57 |
| derf | So I take umbrage with "big", at least. | 00:57 |
| derf | RST38h: Of course. But every victory counts. | 00:57 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow, i want aria2 | 00:57 |
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| dangergrrl | do i have to install the sdk and build it for fremantle or could i just install the libssl it wants and use the diablo bin? | 00:58 |
| dangergrrl | it's a console app | 00:58 |
| derf | Anyway, I don't think I will ever fly from DC to NY again. | 00:58 |
| RST38h | diablo bin might be ok, try | 00:58 |
| derf | Having done both, Amtrak is so much better it's no comparison. | 00:59 |
| dangergrrl | it requires an old libssl but i'm guessing since it's a console app it should work | 00:59 |
| RST38h | derf: yea, although it is more of an exception (given short distance and the overhead of transferring to IAD / from JFK) | 00:59 |
| dangergrrl | i don't plan on flying again untill i'm going someplace i can't ride on my motorcycle | 00:59 |
| derf | I was also really happy I was on Amtrak when we got hit with the blizzard the day after Christmas. | 00:59 |
| derf | Not a single plane was flying anywhere. | 01:00 |
| derf | But my train _caught_on_fire_ and we still made it there. | 01:00 |
| dangergrrl | i bet amtrak would be sweet for trips from here to houston or dallas actually | 01:00 |
| derf | (ice in the electrical box) | 01:00 |
| RST38h | derf: Cooool =) | 01:00 |
| derf | Halfway up I was like, "Why does it smell like burning insulation? My laptop still seems to be working..." | 01:01 |
| dangergrrl | considering amtrak picks up way closer than the airport from here | 01:01 |
| derf | We didn't stop until we got to Penn Station (I was going on to CT). | 01:01 |
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| GAN900 | derf, yeah, expensive, though. | 01:01 |
| derf | GAN900: That trip was still cheaper than flying. | 01:01 |
| derf | And worth every penny. | 01:01 |
| derf | Because, you know, I actually got where I was trying to go. | 01:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: The DC->NYC tickets are relatively cheap | 01:02 |
| derf | Which I'm pretty sure would not have happened with any other mode of transportation. | 01:02 |
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| derf | Well, maybe Greyhound would've been stupid enough to try. | 01:02 |
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| derf | But then I'd be dead like all those poor people in New York. | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | i don't like busses | 01:03 |
| RST38h | derf: You would get to watch the carnage at I95 though | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | if i have a choice between rail and bus i'll go for rail | 01:03 |
| derf | RST38h: This is not a plus in my book. | 01:03 |
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| RST38h | derf: crashed cars, abandoned cars, ambulances, you know,,, | 01:03 |
| GAN900 | derf, not where I'm flying. | 01:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | derf: i remember being delayed somewhere near NY because of a train problem like that | 01:03 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, good point. | 01:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | actually, i think i was @NY Penn and the train inbound from BOS(?) was delayed | 01:04 |
| derf | timeless_w7ip: There was an hour delay while they swapped out our car in Penn Station. | 01:04 |
| RST38h | derf: Which reminds me that there is a new episode of Fringe to watch. | 01:04 |
| derf | But, you know, given 20+ inches of snow, I'm willing to put up with that. | 01:04 |
| RST38h | timeless: that is normal | 01:04 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h why does it not surprise me that you watch fringe | 01:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | but once we boarded, people were friendly, i borrowed a neighbors cell phone and made a call | 01:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | ... you can't do that on an airplane :) | 01:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes, really... | 01:04 |
| lcukn900 | heh | 01:04 |
| derf | GAN900: I agree. Amtrak really only works in the WAS<->BOS corridor. | 01:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | derf: i've used Amtrak to go from WAS to Cleveland or thereabouts | 01:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's not bad as a scenic route if you don't drive | 01:05 |
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| timeless_w7ip | but it definitely isn't a commuter thing | 01:05 |
| derf | Hmm, that might not be terrible, either. | 01:05 |
| derf | Except for the fact that you're going to Cleveland. | 01:06 |
| RST38h | Would probably be too expensive though | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's also a line that'll get you from Santa Barbara down to LA | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | which is also not bad, again as a scenic line, not for commuting | 01:06 |
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| derf | Except then you're in LA. | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's also a path that goes clear across .. | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | derf: you can get off early (or late) :) | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | but yeah... | 01:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | i didn't get off @LA, iirc i got off a bit after | 01:07 |
| derf | But yes, I took the line that goes from NY to Ohio somewhere, and actually up into Canadia I think. | 01:07 |
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| derf | But I got off in Manassas. | 01:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm actually considering using lines around western mass | 01:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | a cousin's getting married somewhere up there | 01:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | but yeah, generally speaking the only really working corridor is NE | 01:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | ... when you go south of DC they switch to diezel :) | 01:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/z/s/ | 01:09 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: ... when you go south of DC they switch to diesel :) | 01:09 |
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| RST38h | derf: Is Canadia that large US state between us and Alaska? =) | 01:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=WSArticlePage&pagename=WhistleStop%2FWSArticlePage%2FBlank_Template&cid=1153323727125 | 01:09 |
| doc|home | RST38h: only to americans | 01:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | rst: aww, give them credit, it's more like 6 states, we just got lazy and numbered it as 1 :) | 01:10 |
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| timeless_w7ip | (note they have a couple of others, but those aren't really between the lower 48 and Alaska) | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | doc|home, we don't want it. :P | 01:11 |
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| doc|home | GAN900: great, so you'll keep your navy out of canadian waters then? :P | 01:13 |
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| RST38h | Will use the airforce, yes. | 01:14 |
| doc|home | ah yes, the stereotypical thing of your arse not knowing what your elbow is doing. "We don't want it" "we want it" | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | doc|home, not up to me, but if it were, I'd be more than happy. | 01:14 |
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| doc|home | GAN900: you did say "we" :) | 01:15 |
| RST38h | doc <=== is sure to deliver a decent performance on all flames canadian =) | 01:15 |
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| doc|home | RST38h: I'm not even canadian :P | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | doc|home, yes, the US population. Which is generally not all that related to the US government these days. ;) | 01:15 |
| doc|home | RST38h: it's more the US actions in any region when you think about it... | 01:15 |
| doc|home | GAN900: indeed | 01:15 |
| doc|home | GAN900: that's hardly a US thing though :) | 01:16 |
| RST38h | doc: US is also delivering lots of lulz lately | 01:16 |
| doc|home | oh the rest of us have been laughing for a long time :) | 01:16 |
| doc|home | though these days it's more at the stage where you shake your head as thing never change :/ | 01:17 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/mysql-com-database-compromised-sql-injection.html | 01:19 |
| Termana | good morning | 01:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | as long as you don't care about mysql ::) | 01:20 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632748 | 01:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632718 <- did they mean 'fire'? :( | 01:23 |
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| Pillum | with which sdk can you develop Qt apps on windows for n900? | 01:25 |
| Pillum | there are three different sdks | 01:25 |
| Pillum | nokia sdk | 01:25 |
| Pillum | qt sdk | 01:25 |
| Pillum | maemo sdk | 01:25 |
| Pillum | :S | 01:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | hopefully any? | 01:26 |
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| timeless_w7ip | generally speaking you'd probably want the newest SDK | 01:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | as long as it claims to support the target device | 01:27 |
| lcukn900 | afaik intel have an sdk too | 01:27 |
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| RST38h | Dear Tentacled One, please, visit Mr Elop in person and make him look away while you are devou^H^H^Hremaining Maemo Devices engineers continue making Maemo/Meego devices for us all. | 01:36 |
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| GAN900 | Seconded. | 01:42 |
| nox- | thirded | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways the more interesting way would be to make it possible to buy 'blank' nokia phones, with docs. | 01:44 |
| lcuk | no but firstboot choice would be awesome :) | 01:45 |
| lcuk | "Windows/Symbian/Maemo/Meego/Android/*" (yes I think we should have choice of all) | 01:45 |
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| Funnyface | yes, then we won't have to worry about nokia phasing out our OSes :P | 01:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: AmigaOS! | 01:48 |
| * RST38h will be happy with a Maemo/Meego-only device | 01:49 | |
| BCMM | RST38h: port Maemo to Hurd! | 01:49 |
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| RST38h | If someone wants to have an Android distro, just to show those HTCs and Motorolas, let them | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And iOS too! | 01:50 |
| * SpeedEvil explodes. | 01:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/27/2058246/MySqlcom-Hacked-With-Sql-Injection | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, :D:D:D | 01:52 |
| * lcuk reproduces Workbench 1.3 screen | 01:52 | |
| lcuk | I bet the vibration thingy could emulate the tick tick tick sound too | 01:53 |
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| pupnik_ | at first i got 0.5 fps and i was like :( | 01:59 |
| pupnik_ | but then i tweaked and tweaked | 01:59 |
| pupnik_ | and now i got ~12-15 fps and i'm all :) | 01:59 |
| Pillum | what are you talking about? | 02:00 |
| dangergrrl | i bet uae is slow on n900 | 02:00 |
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| RST38h | uae is kindaok on n900 | 02:08 |
| RST38h | but you really want to use the simplified version (uae4all) | 02:08 |
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| dangergrrl | i played with uae a bit, the aros people donate well for bounty projects | 02:12 |
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| RST38h | is aros still alive? | 02:13 |
| pupnik_ | Pillum: my new game client... now getting FIFTY FIVE FPS | 02:13 |
| Pillum | pupnik_: game client? on N900? and which game? | 02:14 |
| dangergrrl | yes and they still pay people to code | 02:15 |
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| dangergrrl | AROS on n900 would be cute actually but enough of the hardware is less than documented that it would be a waste of time i fear | 02:16 |
| dangergrrl | what tit would do it would do fast though :) | 02:17 |
| dangergrrl | it's designed for lower hardware requirements | 02:18 |
| RST38h | does it still have speak: ? =) | 02:18 |
| dangergrrl | i think so, i haven't booted that VM in ages | 02:19 |
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| dangergrrl | i have a virtualbox aros vm installed on win7 | 02:19 |
| dangergrrl | was looking for spare time projects that i might get paid something for | 02:20 |
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| pupnik_ | game client port / rework Pillum - daimonin | 02:21 |
| Pillum | nice | 02:21 |
| Pillum | wish you luck | 02:21 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/29 $517 for porting aros to EEEpc | 02:21 |
| dangergrrl | that's a free eeepc | 02:22 |
| dangergrrl | and some extra change | 02:22 |
| pupnik_ | hey NOKIA! | 02:23 |
| pupnik_ | for your NEXT DEVICE | 02:23 |
| pupnik_ | an ESCAPE KEY | 02:23 |
| RST38h | Better, RED EJECT-ALL-CARDS KEY! | 02:23 |
| pupnik_ | no | 02:23 |
| pupnik_ | an ESCAPE KEY | 02:23 |
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| pupnik_ | because not putting one on the n900 was god damn annoying | 02:24 |
| RST38h | Amazing, but Android has an ESCAPE key! | 02:24 |
| lcuk | hey pupnik_ have you seen the intel tablet/slate thing | 02:24 |
| pupnik_ | nop | 02:24 |
| pupnik_ | 55 fps 55 fps 55 fps | 02:24 |
| lcuk | with a light sensor thing used as back butotn | 02:24 |
| pupnik_ | hey not a bad idea | 02:24 |
| lcuk | s/butotn/button/ | 02:24 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: with a light sensor thing used as back button | 02:24 |
| RST38h | what game are you doing, anyway? | 02:24 |
| lcuk | not a bad idea if it works all the time | 02:24 |
| dangergrrl | vi is in fact annoying with no escape key | 02:24 |
| pupnik_ | a client for daimonin | 02:25 |
| RST38h | don't use vi, use nano | 02:25 |
| pupnik_ | Multiplayer Online RPG | 02:25 |
| lcuk | but from the youtube videos I have seen it is somewhat odd | 02:25 |
| RST38h | ah | 02:25 |
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| dangergrrl | i use emacs and if no emacs i use vi | 02:25 |
| dangergrrl | because every posix system has vi | 02:25 |
| RST38h | just use nano, really | 02:26 |
| RST38h | rather than suffer all this weird geeky shit =) | 02:27 |
| dangergrrl | been using emacs and vi for 25 years, i would have to read instructions for nano | 02:28 |
| dangergrrl | i also write C code for things that perl might well do better if only i could write perl code without a manual open | 02:29 |
| RST38h | no you would not,that is the beaurty of nano | 02:29 |
| RST38h | It is absolutely, completely dumb. The few key shortcuts it uses, it shows at the bottom | 02:30 |
| dangergrrl | C has the advantage for me that so long as i do no gui i need no manual | 02:30 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, :) | 02:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, do you still use apps which require Function key cards? | 02:30 |
| dangergrrl | will it save and exit if i hit escZZ? | 02:31 |
| * RST38h does perl without manuals, which probably means he is insane | 02:31 | |
| dangergrrl | :) | 02:31 |
| RST38h | danger: it will save on Ctrl-X / yes | 02:31 |
| Pillum | what are function key cards? | 02:31 |
| dangergrrl | ctrl-x i might hit on accident | 02:31 |
| RST38h | danger: It will ASK. | 02:31 |
| RST38h | danger: It knows that the users arestupid and asks. | 02:31 |
| dangergrrl | C-x is a prefix key :P | 02:32 |
| RST38h | danger: It is eXit to Nano | 02:32 |
| RST38h | No damn prefixes. | 02:32 |
| lcuk | why have I got "C-a-K-y" | 02:32 |
| RST38h | And the best thing is, the arrow buttons work straight out of the box =) | 02:32 |
| * lcuk believes it is key shortcut for screen or something | 02:32 | |
| lcuk | but IDK what it does | 02:32 |
| dangergrrl | C-a is default prefix for screen | 02:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Kill a screen window | 02:33 |
| lcuk | thanks \o | 02:33 |
| RST38h | Dunno why you have -y there, as it will kill the current window | 02:33 |
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| * lcuk does not know these keyboard incantations | 02:33 | |
| RST38h | Well, screen ones you usually end up knowing by heart | 02:34 |
| dangergrrl | i change it, C-a means beginning of line to me and bash | 02:34 |
| RST38h | Oh, yeah: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/eldritch-application | 02:35 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i just now realized that two lead ircd developers left their projects to work on maemo | 02:43 |
| Sazpaimon__ | im not sure why that's interesting to me,but it is | 02:44 |
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| pupnik_ | http://qikr.co/9gnwn 55 FPS! :D :D :D 55 FPS! | 02:56 |
| Sazpaimon__ | your poor poor keys | 02:58 |
| Sazpaimon__ | what have you done to them | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | used em a lot :/ | 02:58 |
| nox- | heh i have something like that too... | 02:58 |
| * pupnik_ frolics | 02:59 | |
| pupnik_ | hi nox- ! | 02:59 |
| nox- | the coating comes off too easily id say | 02:59 |
| nox- | moin pupnik_ | 02:59 |
| Sazpaimon__ | what do you type with your fingernails or something? | 02:59 |
| nox- | no | 02:59 |
| nox- | i `just' ssh not too rarely, etc | 03:00 |
| pupnik_ | lots of ssh, irc | 03:01 |
| pupnik_ | screen is in good condition :) | 03:02 |
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| nox- | same here | 03:09 |
| nox- | well the screen, i usually dont irc from n900 | 03:10 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hey so | 03:10 |
| Sazpaimon__ | tmo users | 03:10 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i just got service with them again, checked my GRPS connection, and it's using the epc.tmobile.com pn | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon__ | *apn | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i remember it used to be something like internet.voicestream | 03:11 |
| Sazpaimon__ | is there a difference between the two now? | 03:11 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Forget fps, your main problem will be controls | 03:19 |
| RST38h | pupnik: The thing is gonna be so tiny on the N900's screen... | 03:19 |
| pupnik_ | yes i've redone most of the widgets | 03:20 |
| pupnik_ | bigger font etc | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | http://i.imgur.com/vBxkQ.png there's the original client RST38h | 03:22 |
| pupnik_ | actualy not original | 03:22 |
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| pupnik_ | http://i.imgur.com/2UECq.png there's the first 800x480 mod i did | 03:22 |
| RST38h | OMFG | 03:23 |
| * RST38h plugged E7 into Win7. Fun started happening. | 03:23 | |
| RST38h | "Do you want to convert XXXXX.avi before copying it to the device?" | 03:25 |
| RST38h | <speechless> | 03:25 |
| RST38h | No-just-fucking-give-me-a-normal-mass-storage-device-you-creepy-piece-of-bloatware! | 03:26 |
| RST38h | Cannot cancel transfer, I guess they have not tested this use case =) | 03:27 |
| Sazpaimon__ | anyone else get sefaults with nano when searching? | 03:28 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it happens to me every time | 03:28 |
| RST38h | yes. install the newest version from the repos. | 03:29 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i just installed it today | 03:29 |
| RST38h | a moment | 03:29 |
| RST38h | 2.0.7-4-maemo5 | 03:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Is that 'pc suite' or whatever it is? | 03:30 |
| RST38h | ok, you want to install nano-opt instead | 03:30 |
| RST38h | this will work | 03:30 |
| Sazpaimon__ | oh | 03:30 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Apparently, it is some new,extra insidious version of Ovi Suite that masquerides as a USB driver + Explorer extension | 03:31 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why is there a broken version taking up the regular name | 03:31 |
| dangergrrl | what will entertain me for 40 minutes on the n900 while i sit in the bathroom in pain with bleach in my hair | 03:31 |
| merlin1991 | RST38h: the qeuestion isn't do you want to convert xxx.avi, but are you a regular windows user with no idea? | 03:31 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Try a video. | 03:31 |
| dangergrrl | i have lain on it | 03:32 |
| dangergrrl | but i can't read the subs unless i plug it to a tv | 03:32 |
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| dangergrrl | :) | 03:32 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Use the moment to learn some moonspeak then! =) | 03:32 |
| RST38h | merlin: A regular windows user will react to this imperious crap with "what?" | 03:33 |
| dangergrrl | i'm riding my motorcycle to colorado next week and don't want my friends to see my 7" of black/white roots | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: nasty. | 03:33 |
| dangergrrl | so i'm bleaching it blonde and putting pink in, at least i'm not a blue haired old lady; just pink! :) | 03:34 |
| * RST38h does not get why girls willingly destroy their hair like that | 03:34 | |
| dangergrrl | pink hair looks awesome with a pink motorcycle helmet :) | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Does your ride also have pink tyres? | 03:35 |
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| dangergrrl | naah | 03:38 |
| dangergrrl | blue gold wing | 03:38 |
| dangergrrl | but it's huge and i'm tiny | 03:38 |
| dangergrrl | i look funny on it | 03:38 |
| * RST38h tries playing an HD video on the E7. Gets awed, weeps, prays to the Tentacled One. | 03:39 | |
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| Jartza | heh | 03:40 |
| Jartza | I have a vespa :) | 03:40 |
| dangergrrl | i let it convert my lain vids even though i thought they would already play | 03:40 |
| pupnik_ | does it look good RST38h ? | 03:40 |
| RST38h | 4" LED display, oh god, god... | 03:40 |
| Jartza | but I look good on vespa, so it doesn't matter :) | 03:41 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Looks freaking gorgeous, and no,it does not skip | 03:41 |
| Jartza | and it takes me to places | 03:41 |
| pupnik_ | nice :D | 03:41 |
| pupnik_ | so the symbian media folks did a good job eh :D | 03:41 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Everyone has done a good job on this device. | 03:41 |
| dangergrrl | i wouldn't mind having a CanAm Spyder though some bikers poopoo them | 03:42 |
| RST38h | pupnik: The best they could do, given the OS | 03:42 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: i am under the impression that the latest symbian devices are underrated | 03:42 |
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| pupnik_ | they really put it together well, like how a mercedes used to be put together better than an average car | 03:43 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Well, people are not forgiving of details nowadays | 03:43 |
| Jartza | dangergrrl: generally I don't listen to bikers :) | 03:43 |
| Jartza | most bikers don't like vespas :) | 03:43 |
| RST38h | pupnik: they have got iPhones or even Androids that work near perfectly for a typical user task set | 03:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Thse N8s and E7s are very nice but they have got thorns sticking all over the place | 03:44 |
| Jartza | but I've driven my Vespa in 16 countries | 03:44 |
| Jartza | basically through europe | 03:44 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: that (and the bad stigma) is what makes people discount them as viable devices AFAIK | 03:45 |
| dangergrrl | Jartza: oh cool :) | 03:45 |
| pupnik_ | i'm sure you're right | 03:45 |
| Jartza | http://eurovespa.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uneventful-beginning/ | 03:45 |
| Jartza | that's where the blog starts :) | 03:45 |
| dangergrrl | i've had some bikers call my wing a couch with wheels too or a SUV that's missing 2 wheels | 03:46 |
| RST38h | pupnik: but try finding an Android device that will play Xvids without hiccupping ;) | 03:46 |
| Jartza | 6 weeks, 9700km, 16 countries | 03:47 |
| Jartza | best trip I've ever done | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | That's over a radian! | 03:48 |
| dangergrrl | sounds fun! i plan on riding around the usa a lot this summer myself | 03:48 |
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| Jartza | you mean sitting on a sofa around the usa :) | 03:50 |
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| dangergrrl | so, it's comfortable, i'll be going 10000 miles in a day some days i need comfort | 04:01 |
| dangergrrl | ./10 | 04:01 |
| pigeon | is there a way to browse history of all visited urls in microb? | 04:01 |
| dangergrrl | 1000 not 10000 | 04:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1000 is a lot of miles. | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Insane amount of hours in the saddle. | 04:03 |
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| dangergrrl | if someone wants to ride a hardtail 1000 miles in a day they will have my sympathy :) | 04:10 |
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| timeless_w7ip | pigeon: microb's history is sqlite iirc | 04:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | so you could browse it by dumping it | 04:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | speedevil: pc suite is basically <all usb protocols that aren't mass storage> | 04:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | it should include MTP | 04:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | which probably does offer encoding stuff | 04:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | pupnik: the ui on s^3 is awful | 04:21 |
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| pupnik_ | timeless_w7ip: i only used it a few minutes and it passed the shallow test | 04:33 |
| compengi | is there a way to open msn in the default messenger? | 04:35 |
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| zakkkkm | what should i use for checking current power usage? Wish to see why my battery drains so much. | 05:35 |
| nox- | powertop? | 05:35 |
| zakkkkm | Is that in normal repository? | 05:35 |
| nox- | theres also a simple script here: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 05:35 |
| nox- | i think so... | 05:35 |
| zakkkkm | just installed the new cssu :) | 05:36 |
| nox- | the script shows you the mA, powertop may help you find out what eats it | 05:36 |
| zakkkkm | used powertop for laptop use before | 05:37 |
| nox- | :) | 05:37 |
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| zakkkkm | undervolting worth it? | 05:38 |
| nox- | i dont even know if that works... | 05:39 |
| zakkkkm | oh cool powertop is in repository :) Thanks | 05:40 |
| zakkkkm | i cant seem to have the phone last longer than like 6 hours | 05:40 |
| zakkkkm | having to carry a spare battery | 05:40 |
| nox- | if you really use it... | 05:41 |
| zakkkkm | not at all | 05:41 |
| nox- | oh | 05:41 |
| zakkkkm | i am in 3g though, forced to cause only 3g network exists | 05:41 |
| Sazpaimon__ | is there a way I can remotely sync thunderbird on my desktop to my n900? | 05:42 |
| zakkkkm | which might be responsible for it | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon__ | my thunderbird is set up to automatically delete mail from the server once it downloads them | 05:42 |
| nox- | hm im on 3g too but if wifi / bt / etc are off it lasts more like two days or so if not in use | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon__ | so if I can sync my N900 up with it while I'm on the go,it'd be one less thing to RDP into mydesktop for | 05:43 |
| zakkkkm | i have unlimited 3g data.. so i never on wifi | 05:43 |
| zakkkkm | dont use bt so that is off | 05:43 |
| nox- | if i use it tho... :) | 05:43 |
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| zakkkkm | C0 - frequency 1150mhz? | 05:43 |
| nox- | powerkernel? | 05:43 |
| zakkkkm | not at all | 05:43 |
| zakkkkm | i was told not to overclock the n900 | 05:44 |
| zakkkkm | wiat some like "Kernel for power users" i think i did? | 05:44 |
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| zakkkkm | does that mean my phone is overclocked this whole time? | 05:44 |
| nox- | yeah i dont either but powertop still shows that freq, i guess theres a bug... | 05:44 |
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| zakkkkm | it shows nan% so it probably never at that | 05:44 |
| nox- | ah | 05:45 |
| zakkkkm | just showing thats the max it can goto | 05:45 |
| nox- | right | 05:45 |
| zakkkkm | whats smartreflex? | 05:46 |
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| zakkkkm | The SmartReflex power saving feature of the OMAP processor is disabled by default on the n900. To enable it: | 05:47 |
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| wmarone | and, just to be a broken record, is disabled for a reason | 05:48 |
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| zakkkkm | 500mhz is nokia's recommendation clock rate? .. when the omap is a 600mhz cpu? | 05:51 |
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| pupnik_ | did anybody ever come up with a standard for right mouse click with stylus? | 05:52 |
| wmarone | zakkkkm: it'll sit at 250MHz most of the time, and jump to 600MHz under load | 05:57 |
| zakkkkm | you use a hosts file for adblocking ? | 05:58 |
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| wmarone | some do | 05:59 |
| wmarone | there's an older port of adblock for microB, and there's a css-based adblock as well | 05:59 |
| zakkkkm | i have a ziproxy+privoxy+squid hosted on a vps.. maybe its worth it to just set that as proxy | 06:01 |
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| zakkkkm | i2c omap shows over 3200 activity in powertop | 06:06 |
| zakkkkm | that could explain it? :p | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | normal | 06:07 |
| zakkkkm | it is? | 06:07 |
| nox- | oh and there als was this: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=8d3f3e008abce81c9962d00f0db1dad2&t=35907 | 06:08 |
| zakkkkm | no applications are running | 06:08 |
| zakkkkm | nox-, thanks. All of those are already done | 06:08 |
| nox- | s/als/also/ too | 06:09 |
| pupnik_ | moin moin gentlemen | 06:09 |
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| zakkkkm | heh just tried 900mhz overclock for a minute. so fast | 06:22 |
| nox- | hm would overclocking be safe if the device had a fan? :) (just curious...) | 06:25 |
| dangergrrl | oh, i use 3g when i'm moving around but when i'm someplace with wifi and will be there a while i use wifi | 06:26 |
| wmarone | nox-: no, the problem isn't thermal (well can be) but electrical | 06:28 |
| nox- | ah | 06:28 |
| zakkkkm | would you guys consider a 900mhz overclock safe? :) | 06:29 |
| zakkkkm | im liking this new speed | 06:29 |
| wmarone | no, but if you have problems you're on your own :p | 06:29 |
| zakkkkm | electrical problem eh? Could that be worked out? :P | 06:31 |
| wmarone | sure, that's why there are higher clocked OMAP3 processors | 06:31 |
| wmarone | but it has to be fixed in the silicon and at manufacturing | 06:31 |
| jacekowski | fastest omap3 is 720MHz | 06:31 |
| jacekowski | and it's not operating at that speed for long period of time | 06:32 |
| zakkkkm | i was thinking even if i do have say 900mhz, its not always going to be at 900mhz | 06:32 |
| zakkkkm | only at high cpu points | 06:32 |
| jacekowski | it still makes it wear faster | 06:33 |
| zakkkkm | yeah, i bought this used too | 06:33 |
| jacekowski | there was couple people that tried that for longer period of time | 06:33 |
| jacekowski | and well, it's not covered by warranty | 06:33 |
| zakkkkm | it crashed on them? | 06:34 |
| wmarone | usually it glitches out first | 06:34 |
| wmarone | like their ext3 partition becoming corrupt | 06:34 |
| jacekowski | but once it does there is no coming back | 06:34 |
| zakkkkm | ah | 06:35 |
| zakkkkm | ill stay stock :) | 06:35 |
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| zakkkkm | thanks | 06:35 |
| zakkkkm | still weird though, i cant find out whats causing it to wake so much .. i tried batterygraph but it only showing graphs | 06:36 |
| zakkkkm | conky is no help | 06:36 |
| jacekowski | skype | 06:36 |
| zakkkkm | skype? | 06:36 |
| zakkkkm | Its off. | 06:37 |
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| dangergrrl | awesome | 06:59 |
| dangergrrl | the diablo aria2 .deb works fine for me :) | 06:59 |
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| zakkkkm | Did some statistics.. got about 20-40mah with screen off + idle running powermeter script. Get about 125-150 with screen on 2 brightness and idle .. and about 250-300mah in usage with same brightness | 07:13 |
| Sazpaimon__ | does anyone else think the method of selecting time in the maemo alarm is... | 07:13 |
| Sazpaimon__ | um... | 07:14 |
| Sazpaimon__ | stupid? | 07:14 |
| zakkkkm | the slider of sorts? | 07:14 |
| Sazpaimon__ | yeah | 07:14 |
| zakkkkm | i actually kind of like it myself | 07:14 |
| chx | well, tricky, how do you do a touch-only alarm clock? | 07:15 |
| chx | show big numbers to push? | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why not? | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon__ | or just uh, use the keyboard? | 07:15 |
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| zakkkkm | they wouldnt do that | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon__ | the phone app lets you use both the keyboard and the touchscreen | 07:15 |
| zakkkkm | maemo 5 is made purely from maemo 4 apps arent they? | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why not the alarm | 07:15 |
| zakkkkm | they used alot of community ones | 07:16 |
| dangergrrl | if you want to use the keyboard put your alarm in crontab :P | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon__ | wait is that really what the alarm does? | 07:16 |
| dangergrrl | i doubt it | 07:16 |
| zakkkkm | put "at" in a cron job better :) | 07:16 |
| zakkkkm | it might as well be a crontab really, | 07:17 |
| dangergrrl | i used to use sleep `echo 3600 4 * |dc`; sox ... for an alarm clock | 07:17 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i mean, a lot of maemo apps are really simple in the background | 07:17 |
| dangergrrl | properly quoted and with a p | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon__ | take maps for example | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its almost all html | 07:17 |
| zakkkkm | ovi maps ? | 07:18 |
| dangergrrl | echo '3600 4 * p' | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | yes | 07:18 |
| zakkkkm | its a good app :) | 07:18 |
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| zakkkkm | used it one night | 07:18 |
| dangergrrl | would be a better app if they would give us voice turn by turn | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | zakkkkm, you havent used the symbian equivalent | 07:18 |
| zakkkkm | i had a nokia 5230 before this | 07:18 |
| zakkkkm | for about 7-8 months.. with C6 firmware or something | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | back when i was driving, the symbian version was the best | 07:19 |
| zakkkkm | yeah it is different | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | it's ok but i have to stop somewhere to use ovi maps when i am riding my motorcycle | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon__ | especially when they brought it to the E71 | 07:19 |
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| zakkkkm | I'm on foot :) or subway/bus | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i dont drive anymore so it stopped being useful forme | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon__ | afterwards I used the google maps app all the time to get transit directions | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | ovi maps is neat when you are walking | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon__ | something I kinda miss on the N900 | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its a bit of a kludge to use the website | 07:20 |
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| zakkkkm | still havent been through much of the maemo apps to be honest | 07:20 |
| zakkkkm | i just installed CSSU :) | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon__ | im thinking of compiling remmina for N900 | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it at least has potential to be touch friendly | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon__ | unlike the rdesktop app | 07:21 |
| dangergrrl | i just installed the diablo binary of aria2 | 07:21 |
| zakkkkm | what is the maemo 5 build like ? | 07:22 |
| zakkkkm | compiling for it | 07:22 |
| dangergrrl | i don't have another bittorrent client installed | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon__ | what's it like to compile for maemo you mean? | 07:22 |
| zakkkkm | yeah | 07:22 |
| zakkkkm | sorry. | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it's pretty simple once you get scratchbox set up | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its just debian | 07:22 |
| dangergrrl | i've been wanting to install the sdk | 07:22 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | ive been using it a lot lately | 07:23 |
| dangergrrl | but it probably wants to live someplace i won't approve of | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon__ | trying to get a hardware accelerated version of gnash for n900 | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon__ | I'm close, but i can't get the GLES 1.1 renderer working just right | 07:23 |
| dangergrrl | i'm running sabayon and there aren't entropy packages or gentoo ebuilds for it | 07:23 |
| dangergrrl | debian has annoyed me too many times | 07:24 |
| Sazpaimon__ | but yeah, remmina imo has a better interface for touchscreens | 07:24 |
| dangergrrl | brand new release and the kernel is 3 years old | 07:24 |
| dangergrrl | kernels from 2010 support my usb wifi dongle out of the box with no trouble | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon__ | you dont need to update the kernel all the time | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | but not 2008 kernels | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and if there's a killer feature for your kernel, it'll probably be in the backports repo | 07:25 |
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| dangergrrl | debian is fine if your hardware is all 5 years old | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | brand new hardware you will be building your own kernel | 07:26 |
| dangergrrl | and if the new hardware is needed to connect to the net you better have another machine to use in the meanwhile | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon__ | there's nothing wrong with compiling your own kernel | 07:26 |
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| Sc0rpius | there's nothing good either | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon__ | I run gentoo, we do it all the time | 07:26 |
| dangergrrl | to run debian on this box i would have to compile a kernel and make my own debian install disk with it | 07:27 |
| psycho_oreos | there's something good if you have a sense in wanting to achieve something | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it allows us to compile in stuff we need for our machine, and of course compile with our processor specific optimization | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | i'm using a genkernel | 07:27 |
| Sc0rpius | I run Win7 on this box (can't beat that) with a VM with Ubuntu, 2 monitors, each with one OS. The best setup in my opinion. | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon__ | ew | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon__ | that's for lazy people | 07:27 |
| dangergrrl | i have no idea what sabayon puts on the initrd image and didn't want to make my own | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon__ | menuconfig is easy enough | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon__ | dangergrrl, if you use menuconfig you dont need an initrd | 07:28 |
| dangergrrl | i must have an initrd, i use lvm | 07:28 |
| dangergrrl | my / is in a lvm | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon__ | you dont need an initrd for lvm on gentoo iirc | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i know i used it fine | 07:28 |
| zakkkkm | wow sorry | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | i installed gentoo with lvm by hand and had to make a cpio initrd to bring up the volume | 07:29 |
| zakkkkm | Gentoo Pwns :) | 07:29 |
| dangergrrl | but that was 18 months ago | 07:29 |
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| zakkkkm | about to be a LPIC 2 holder, should of already had it.. but they cancelled the exams.. menuconfig is important :) | 07:30 |
| jacekowski | i had gentoo many years ago | 07:30 |
| dangergrrl | afaik you have to run some shell commands to recognize volumes with the mapper | 07:30 |
| zakkkkm | gentoo or no gentoo, kernel compiling is important | 07:30 |
| jacekowski | and there was no need for initrd to have lvm | 07:30 |
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| jacekowski | i just had separate /boot with kernel and stuff for grub and small / with basic stuff | 07:30 |
| dangergrrl | if your root fs in in a logical volume you can not boot without initrd | 07:30 |
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| jacekowski | / on lvm is stupid idea | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon__ | dangergrrl, yeah i think youre right if you have / on lvm you need an initrd | 07:31 |
| jacekowski | if something goes wrong you can just sit down and cry | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon__ | but yeah what jacekowski said | 07:31 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | you dont need all of / on lvm | 07:31 |
| jacekowski | and hope that you have livecd around | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon__ | just a few volumes | 07:31 |
| dangergrrl | i have a whole stack of assorted linux dvds | 07:32 |
| zakkkkm | if its a desktop computer, whats wrong with 1 / partition ? | 07:32 |
| jacekowski | fragmentation | 07:32 |
| Sazpaimon__ | which is almost a nonissue on ext3/4 | 07:32 |
| zakkkkm | its a desktop :) | 07:32 |
| jacekowski | bullshit | 07:32 |
| zakkkkm | fsck runs every 33 mounts doesnt it? | 07:32 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon__: run filefrag on any file | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon__ | I'm not saying it's immune | 07:33 |
| psycho_oreos | fsck is only issued as per tunefs specifications | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon__ | I'm saying it's more resiliant than, say FAT | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | i'm using btrfs | 07:33 |
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| jacekowski | Sazpaimon__: but that doesn't mean it's not an issue | 07:33 |
| dangergrrl | which i know is inviting failure | 07:33 |
| zakkkkm | btrfs is nice :) | 07:34 |
| zakkkkm | never used myself though. | 07:34 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon__: and even fat is quite immune to fragmentation since windows xp where they changed allocation policies | 07:34 |
| dangergrrl | but anything important should be on the cloud anyhow | 07:34 |
| zakkkkm | heard about it from a coworker. | 07:34 |
| psycho_oreos | well fsck can also be implicitly issued as per user's request but fsck runs mainly as specified by the amounts of mounts | 07:34 |
| Sazpaimon__ | jacekowski, it's even less of an issue on ext4 if you use extents | 07:34 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: or time | 07:34 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, yeah that's notable on ext3 types | 07:34 |
| jacekowski | Sazpaimon__: well, but any ext4 is just a delayed symlink to /dev/null | 07:35 |
| dangergrrl | is there a reason maemo uses ext3 for /opt and not ext4? | 07:35 |
| jacekowski | reliability | 07:35 |
| zakkkkm | age too probably | 07:35 |
| Sazpaimon__ | dangergrrl, the kernel probably doesnt support it | 07:35 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | it was probably still ext4dev at the time | 07:36 |
| jacekowski | ext4 will make your data disappear if you reset system at load higher than ~3-4 | 07:36 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 07:36 |
| jacekowski | which happens sometimes on n900 when watchdog decides to restart | 07:36 |
| dangergrrl | i do tha a lot | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon__ | better question | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why doesnt maemo use reiserfs | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon__ | :D | 07:36 |
| zakkkkm | xfs more like it :) | 07:36 |
| dangergrrl | fennec is eating my n900 and it pisses me off i just take the battery out | 07:36 |
| zakkkkm | fennec? | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | i know it could eat my data | 07:37 |
| zakkkkm | fennec is years old isnt it? | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | firefox mobile | 07:37 |
| zakkkkm | Its firefox now | 07:37 |
| psycho_oreos | ext4 is still somewhat experimental the last I recall. There were some gaping issues here and there, namely with single huge files or something on ext4 as noted in ubuntu bugs | 07:37 |
| zakkkkm | they changed the name from fennec ages ago. | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | naah | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon__ | zakkkkm, i agree, XFS would be a more logical for embedded devices like the N900 | 07:37 |
| jacekowski | pfffff | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | the pc version is still explicitly called fennec | 07:37 |
| psycho_oreos | reiserfs is only good for small files. Apart from that, I'm sure not many would want to recall the epic case against Hans Reiser | 07:37 |
| dangergrrl | i installed it today | 07:37 |
| jacekowski | xfs isn't usefull anywhere where you don't have 100% reliable power supply | 07:38 |
| zakkkkm | thats cause firefox already exists :) | 07:38 |
| dangergrrl | hans was a psycho | 07:38 |
| dangergrrl | doesn't mean anything about his code | 07:38 |
| jacekowski | becuase xfs looses data every time you reboot without unmounting | 07:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | indeed, XFS's pitfall was well noted in an old gentoo install doc once | 07:38 |
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| zakkkkm | good times :) | 07:38 |
| jacekowski | and i don't mean it may loose data | 07:38 |
| jacekowski | it's guaranteed that you will loose data every single time | 07:39 |
| zakkkkm | im aware, was a joke :) | 07:39 |
| Sazpaimon__ | jacekowski, what's the point of journaling then | 07:39 |
| dangergrrl | the windows/linux/mac versions of fennec are handy for plugin development | 07:39 |
| Sazpaimon__ | lets give it a journal but make it completely utterly useless | 07:39 |
| jacekowski | xfs was ported from irix | 07:39 |
| jacekowski | from machines that had power fail interrupt | 07:39 |
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| dangergrrl | xfs is guaranteed to fail if you loose power? | 07:39 |
| zakkkkm | yeah | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | that's lame | 07:40 |
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| jacekowski | that was used to write out data to disk in case of power fail | 07:40 |
| zakkkkm | wait wait | 07:40 |
| zakkkkm | what about zfs? | 07:40 |
| jacekowski | zfs is sun thing | 07:40 |
| zakkkkm | fast isnt it? | 07:40 |
| jacekowski | not on linux | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | i used jfs on linux for a while | 07:40 |
| jacekowski | on linux it's implemented using fuse | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | gave up the second time it ate all my data | 07:40 |
| zakkkkm | isnt there opensolaris? | 07:40 |
| jacekowski | zakkkkm: not anymore | 07:40 |
| dangergrrl | funny, jfs on AIX was rock solid | 07:41 |
| jacekowski | sun oracle deal killied it | 07:41 |
| jacekowski | dangergrrl: that's what happens when you port fs without taking all kinds of stuff into account | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon__ | what about logfs | 07:41 |
| jacekowski | dangergrrl: like what they did with xfs | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon__ | ive used that on a few devices without isues | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon__ | *issues | 07:41 |
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| dangergrrl | you know virtualbox seems to be the only opensource project that oracle didn't mess up | 07:42 |
| jacekowski | where original designers decided to keep some more data in memory for longer period of time because they will have power fail interrupt and they will have time to write it out | 07:42 |
| dangergrrl | they even ported the gui frontend and made it gpl | 07:42 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hey e-yes finish nitdroid plz | 07:42 |
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| zakkkkm | oracle didnt create virtualbox | 07:43 |
| dangergrrl | jacekowski: but what if you lose a hard disk interrupt or any of a number of other things goes wrong | 07:43 |
| zakkkkm | heh | 07:43 |
| zakkkkm | nitdroid doesnt have phone calls working does it? | 07:43 |
| jacekowski | dangergrrl: that's not related | 07:43 |
| zakkkkm | i was going to try it then im like... its a phone.. i need calls? | 07:43 |
| dangergrrl | you can't always write out the data even with a powerfail interrupt | 07:43 |
| Sazpaimon__ | zakkkkm, last i checked you can make calls but you cant talk | 07:43 |
| zakkkkm | oh right sorry | 07:43 |
| jacekowski | dangergrrl: you can, unless you have some bigger problem | 07:43 |
| zakkkkm | you cant talk | 07:43 |
| dangergrrl | jacekowski: but you are guaranteed a corrupt filesystem in those cases too | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon__ | this might be a good thing depending on how much people like listening to you | 07:44 |
| zakkkkm | hey any of you tried the tablet UX meego 1.2? | 07:44 |
| zakkkkm | on n900 | 07:44 |
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| jacekowski | and again, it was a tradeoff between performance and reliability | 07:44 |
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| dangergrrl | i've been wanting to play with meego | 07:44 |
| zakkkkm | you see the tablet UX ? | 07:44 |
| jacekowski | they decided that with their powerfail interrupt in hardware it will be reliable enough | 07:44 |
| zakkkkm | looks better to use than handset UX | 07:45 |
| dangergrrl | can't afford a spare sd card to install it on right now | 07:45 |
| jacekowski | and well, it was | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon__ | zakkkkm, its designed for a larger screen | 07:45 |
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| zakkkkm | did you look at it? | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i did | 07:45 |
| zakkkkm | i thought it looked okay | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and you can tell that its struggling to scale down to a small screen | 07:45 |
| zakkkkm | little iOS like | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon__ | did you see the status bar? | 07:45 |
| dangergrrl | i'm pretty sure the rest of the kernel wasn't robust like nonstop-ux or anything | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it was like, 6 pixles high | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo? | 07:46 |
| zakkkkm | whats with that Codora ? that seemed cool | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and the OS itself doesnt fully support the N900, so you wont get much stabilit | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | *stability | 07:46 |
| zakkkkm | Meego with Maemo hildon-desktop | 07:46 |
| zakkkkm | Cordia* | 07:47 |
| zakkkkm | http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start thats cool | 07:47 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-*, not hildon-desktop | 07:47 |
| MohammadAG | all of hildon | 07:48 |
| zakkkkm | hildon-desktop = environment name? | 07:48 |
| zakkkkm | i thought it was | 07:48 |
| zakkkkm | sorry. | 07:48 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hildon-desktop is the desktop itself | 07:48 |
| zakkkkm | looks kind of like what Stskeeps was doing with Mer awhile back | 07:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i dont like how mer was based on ubuntu | 07:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | that was my only issue with it | 07:49 |
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| zakkkkm | i remember the gentoo port :) | 07:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why would you use gentoo on an n900 | 07:49 |
| zakkkkm | no n800 | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | even worse | 07:50 |
| zakkkkm | n810* | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hey i want to install xxx, let me compile it and come back 12 hours later | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and see if it finished | 07:50 |
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| zakkkkm | cross-compiling? | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | oh wait, its not, i guess I'll wait another 3 days | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | so if you want an app you'll need a desktop to cross compile i | 07:50 |
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| zakkkkm | ??? | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | great idea | 07:50 |
| zakkkkm | thats what repositories are for | 07:51 |
| zakkkkm | what are all the apps in extras extras-devel .. they were once compiled .. well most | 07:51 |
| Sazpaimon__ | that goes against the idea of gentoo | 07:51 |
| zakkkkm | and who says you cant use binary just because its gentoo | 07:51 |
| zakkkkm | all the devices are identical. | 07:51 |
| dangergrrl | cordia looks cool | 07:51 |
| Sazpaimon__ | because it wouldnt be gentoo | 07:51 |
| Sazpaimon__ | gentoo without portage just wouldnt be gentoo | 07:51 |
| zakkkkm | portage supports binhosts? | 07:51 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | only for packages that have no source | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | like flash | 07:52 |
| zakkkkm | http://edoceo.com/liber/gentoo-portage-binhost | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | oh i forgot about that | 07:52 |
| zakkkkm | theres a whole flag called BINHOST | 07:52 |
| dangergrrl | it would make more sense to use sabayon on n900 than dentoo proper | 07:52 |
| dangergrrl | gentoo | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its still a silly idea | 07:52 |
| zakkkkm | it is :) | 07:53 |
| zakkkkm | sabayon? why? | 07:53 |
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| zakkkkm | all sabayon comes with, is nothing useful to n900 | 07:53 |
| dangergrrl | only thing i've had to compile myself on this sabayon was firefox 4rc1 | 07:53 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i can agree with that | 07:53 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why put a distro that is designed to have everything out of the box on a device that has limited capabilities | 07:54 |
| dangergrrl | because it's all binary unless you want to change use flags or such for single packages | 07:54 |
| dangergrrl | Miro would be useful for n900 | 07:54 |
| zakkkkm | didnt it once have miro? | 07:54 |
| zakkkkm | maemo 4 | 07:55 |
| dangergrrl | but it's video engine i think is vlc | 07:55 |
| derf | FFmpeg, IIRC. | 07:55 |
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| dangergrrl | i run miro on this pc, i like having hours of video predownloaded | 07:55 |
| zakkkkm | theres knots2? | 07:55 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i think it uses gstreamer | 07:56 |
| Sazpaimon__ | vlc on windows though | 07:56 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 07:56 |
| dangergrrl | xmbc is the only prog that i get 720p vids to play ok with on this pc | 07:56 |
| dangergrrl | and even then i have to unnice | 07:56 |
| zakkkkm | unnice? | 07:57 |
| zakkkkm | renice ? | 07:57 |
| dangergrrl | crappy slow pc with no RAM | 07:57 |
| lcuk | xbmc on n900 meego appears to run :) | 07:57 |
| dangergrrl | xmbc is pretty | 07:57 |
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| lcuk | dangergrrl, what is xmbc? | 07:58 |
| * lcuk knows xbmc | 07:58 | |
| zakkkkm | xbmc = xbox media center | 07:58 |
| zakkkkm | like boxee | 07:58 |
| zakkkkm | lcuk! :) | 07:58 |
| dangergrrl | nice -n -20 | 07:58 |
| zakkkkm | Hey | 07:58 |
| dangergrrl | unnice | 07:58 |
| lcuk | zakkkkm, hi, I know what xbmc is - it was with dangergrrl saying it twice incorrectly | 07:59 |
| dangergrrl | though i usually use top as root | 07:59 |
| zakkkkm | Still hang around here? | 07:59 |
| lcuk | mostly #meego | 07:59 |
| MohammadAG | morning | 07:59 |
| zakkkkm | four years at least is it now? | 07:59 |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon__ | [00:58] <zakkkkm> xbmc = xbox media center | 08:00 |
| Sazpaimon__ | didnt they drop that acronym | 08:00 |
| Sazpaimon__ | since they stopped developing for xbox | 08:00 |
| zakkkkm | i been out of the loop along time | 08:00 |
| dangergrrl | they look the same unless i know an expansion :P | 08:00 |
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| zakkkkm | lcuk, got myself my first IT job a few months ago :) | 08:00 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i got my first non freelance job since i moved to philadelphia | 08:00 |
| lcuk | awesome :D | 08:00 |
| lcuk | what doing? | 08:00 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its for a porn site | 08:01 |
| zakkkkm | NOC Technician.. hosting company | 08:01 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | backend developer | 08:01 |
| Sazpaimon__ | so i tell people i work the backend of a porn site | 08:01 |
| lcuk | *blink* | 08:01 |
| Sazpaimon__ | giggles all around | 08:01 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hey, its a paycheck | 08:01 |
| zakkkkm | :) | 08:01 |
| zakkkkm | Philly eh? | 08:01 |
| zakkkkm | pretty close | 08:01 |
| zakkkkm | Toronto, canada myself. | 08:02 |
| Sazpaimon__ | the problem is the entire site was programmed in coldfusion years ago | 08:02 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i dont know coldfusion | 08:02 |
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| lcuk | zakkkkm, good for you :) | 08:02 |
| zakkkkm | lcuk: thanks :) | 08:02 |
| zakkkkm | got LPIC 1 , and should of had LPIC 2 already, but they cancelled the exams :( have to reschedule | 08:03 |
| lcuk | life. | 08:03 |
| zakkkkm | aha true | 08:03 |
| Sazpaimon__ | damn, i need to get to sleep | 08:04 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i need to be in court in about 7 hours | 08:04 |
| jacekowski | ROTFL | 08:04 |
| zakkkkm | you still have that super fast maemo app? | 08:04 |
| jacekowski | i just checked my e-mail | 08:04 |
| jacekowski | and i've seen this | 08:04 |
| jacekowski | "hi mate i have nokia n8 its working well ,but due to hongkong version fm transmiter r not installed in it . iam from australia i want this app,please help me ........thanks" | 08:04 |
| Sazpaimon__ | which means i need to be up in 5 | 08:04 |
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| lcuk | zakkkkm, indeed :) bigger than ever now and showing its optimisation bits well | 08:05 |
| zakkkkm | i remember sitting in high school just playing around with the notes section | 08:05 |
| zakkkkm | just scribbling with the stylus and saving it. | 08:05 |
| lcuk | zakkkkm, yeah, me too | 08:06 |
| lcuk | it scales up beyond n900 now | 08:06 |
| zakkkkm | :o | 08:06 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110323_002.jpg :) quite nicely actually | 08:06 |
| zakkkkm | link? | 08:06 |
| zakkkkm | liqbase! that was it | 08:06 |
| zakkkkm | sorry, forgotten the name | 08:06 |
| * lcuk does too | 08:06 | |
| zakkkkm | oh wow. more applications. | 08:07 |
| lcuk | yeah, still useful to prototype things | 08:07 |
| lcuk | its very personal now ;) | 08:07 |
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| lcuk | everything is in handwriting | 08:07 |
| Sazpaimon__ | lcuk, pretty cool sticker you have there | 08:08 |
| zakkkkm | i didnt see it in app manager on the n900 | 08:08 |
| lcuk | yeah zakkkkm ummm patches welcome and all that I have been working on main os | 08:08 |
| lcuk | Sazpaimon__, which | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon__ | on the right of your screen | 08:09 |
| lcuk | :D | 08:09 |
| Sazpaimon__ | why not go all out and put some bling on it too | 08:09 |
| Sazpaimon__ | stick a bunch of those little shiny things all over it | 08:09 |
| lcuk | Sazpaimon__, I have one on each monitor | 08:10 |
| lcuk | well, actually the big one has loads | 08:10 |
| Sazpaimon__ | then you can be truly FABULOUUUUUUUUUUUUUS | 08:10 |
| lcuk | when youngest comes home from school.. | 08:10 |
| zakkkkm | :) | 08:10 |
| lcuk | Sazpaimon__, what kind of stickers would you recommend? | 08:11 |
| lcuk | I was personally thinking of using gluestick and some glitter | 08:11 |
| lcuk | but if you have better ideas | 08:11 |
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| zakkkkm | glitter pwns | 08:12 |
| zakkkkm | no better way to make a mess | 08:13 |
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| drack | so with my fon, i find that computers associate upon booting and not after i deauth | 08:29 |
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| zakkkkm | are fons any good? | 08:29 |
| drack | whats bothering me is i cant get internet to passthrough using my iphone even though my iphone is tethered in my bt4 | 08:30 |
| zakkkkm | are they good for home use? Fon's? | 08:31 |
| drack | yea the only thing with the fonis it wont really work against windows 7 | 08:32 |
| zakkkkm | mac user myself | 08:32 |
| zakkkkm | you put your wifi for paid use? | 08:33 |
| drack | no | 08:33 |
| zakkkkm | considering that, but it would pose legal problems here | 08:33 |
| drack | that wouldbe cool thoughj | 08:33 |
| zakkkkm | people doing awful things on the wireless | 08:33 |
| zakkkkm | i would get in legal trouble | 08:33 |
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| zakkkkm | i thought of putting them into a Tor proxy, but it wouldnt really change much | 08:34 |
| zakkkkm | http://corp.fon.com/en/products/fonera2n/ fonera 2 ? | 08:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 08:39 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 08:39 | |
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| drack | ~moo | 08:40 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 08:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you guys and gals had so much fun I dunno where to start | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | recommend alarmed as there's no cron neither at? | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | point out the I2C IRQs are probably by bme? | 08:41 |
| Ken-Young | Is anyone familiar with how to use the XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name field in a maemo package control file? | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toss a link to wiki hardware_powermanagement? | 08:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: didn't you ask me yesterday about coremelt? This very minute I hear tepco admits coremelt in #2 | 08:45 |
| korhojoa | whaat | 08:47 |
| zakkkkm | is 25-40mah for idle good? | 08:48 |
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| zakkkkm | should i set phone to 125mhz idle, or is that a bad idea? | 08:54 |
| drack | does ettercap work on maemo? | 08:55 |
| zakkkkm | is there a guide on modules and such you can safely turn off? | 08:57 |
| zakkkkm | processes ? | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: depending on how you probe that 25-40 it's kinda ok | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no you shouldn't enable 125 | 09:03 |
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| zakkkkm | k | 09:03 |
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| zakkkkm | yeah was bit unsure of that, it was caused by the powermeter script on the battery wiki article. It had to run, and update terminal which must of took alot of xorg cpu | 09:04 |
| zakkkkm | i couldnt find a better way to do it. How do you pipe on the n900? | 09:04 |
| zakkkkm | or ">" | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: if you're using bq27200.sh 5 then 25 over ssh/WLAN seems OK. If you're using bq27200.sh 30 then the current should be mor elike 10mA | 09:04 |
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| zakkkkm | no ssh no WLAN | 09:04 |
| zakkkkm | 5 / 30? | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how do you probe the current? | 09:05 |
| zakkkkm | heh have to find it again | 09:05 |
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| zakkkkm | current_read='cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/current_now' echo Using kernel battery driver to read current. | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm :-S | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's known to cause problems | 09:06 |
| zakkkkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management ran the powerscript .. i dont think i have i2c-tools though, so it did the first one | 09:06 |
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| zakkkkm | wait what is? | 09:07 |
| zakkkkm | the kernels battery driver? | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, your probing action isn't exactly idle | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:07 |
| zakkkkm | what should i be using? | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq27200.sh with I2Ctools | 09:07 |
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| zakkkkm | do i just download and install i2c-tools and thats it, or is there more involved? | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | is what I invented and used | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, even no installing, just untar the bq.tar | 09:08 |
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| zakkkkm_ | Hi sorry. | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you simply install i2ctools pkg | 09:09 |
| zakkkkm_ | i only see i2c-tiny-usb in faster application manager | 09:09 |
| zakkkkm_ | ill try apt-get | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Make sure -devel is enabled; I'd assume it is, but just to make sure.. | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq.tar | 09:10 |
| zakkkkm_ | so i2ctools will give me better battery readings? | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | but less problems with bme segfaulting | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly | 09:11 |
| robbiethe1st | i2ctools is just a couple programs that allow for direct control/reading of the battery controller, among other things. | 09:11 |
| zakkkkm_ | bq.tar , i download that? | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:11 |
| zakkkkm_ | what do i do with contents? | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | untar | 09:12 |
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| zakkkkm_ | should i be getting tools , or just that i2cget ? | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | i2cget is sufficient for reading battery values | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bq.tar has all you need | 09:15 |
| zakkkkm_ | kk sorry | 09:16 |
| zakkkkm_ | i untar'd it. | 09:16 |
| zakkkkm_ | should i move i2cget to /sbin ? | 09:16 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yea | 09:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Same with i2cset | 09:18 |
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| zakkkkm | sorry. | 09:19 |
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| zakkkkm | robbiethe1st: where can i get i2cset? | 09:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: don't confuse people please. zakkkkm doesn't have nor need i2cset | 09:26 |
| zakkkkm | Sat Aug 7 21:35:06 BST 2010 6mA 27 total events, 5.382 events/sec | 09:26 |
| zakkkkm | ^ - iwonder how they got so low | 09:26 |
| zakkkkm | DocScrutinizer: I moved i2cget to /sbin directory.. Figure thats in my path environment | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat bq27200.sh - you'll see where it is. AFAIK untar places all where it belongs | 09:28 |
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| zakkkkm | i know where it is | 09:28 |
| zakkkkm | i did a tar xvf .. should i of done differently? | 09:28 |
| zakkkkm | Is it suppose to go into specific folders? | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I meant you'll see sth like /usr/local/sbin/i2cget caled in bq27200.sh | 09:29 |
| zakkkkm | i downloaded and viewed on pc, much simpler reading :D | 09:29 |
| zakkkkm | "Need ./i2cget" | 09:29 |
| zakkkkm | needs in directory heh | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | also check for RS=20 in that script | 09:30 |
| zakkkkm | its at very top | 09:30 |
| zakkkkm | first line of code | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some scripts had 30 there | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | shall be 20 | 09:30 |
| zakkkkm | am i supposed to run the shell script as root? | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | run bq27200.sh 30 | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | for loopmode | 09:33 |
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| zakkkkm | run not found :p | 09:33 |
| zakkkkm | sh bq27200.sh 30 .. shows alot of permission denied | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 09:33 |
| zakkkkm | ohhh | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the sh | 09:33 |
| zakkkkm | i2cget i have no permission on | 09:33 |
| zakkkkm | sh = start bash script as a child? | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: you don't need such nonsense. chmod +x bq27200 | 09:36 |
| zakkkkm | i did that | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod +x i2cget | 09:36 |
| zakkkkm | still same thing | 09:36 |
| zakkkkm | permission denied | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./bq27200.sh 5 | 09:36 |
| zakkkkm | -sh: ./bq27200.sh: Permission denied | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not trying all this on MyDocs? | 09:37 |
| zakkkkm | i am | 09:37 |
| zakkkkm | does that matter? | 09:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes | 09:38 |
| zakkkkm | i'm new to N900 i should mention. | 09:38 |
| zakkkkm | I hold linux certification, but N900 specifics i'm "newbie" | 09:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Ok. Just so you know, MyDocs is a Fat32 partition | 09:38 |
| zakkkkm | saw that when i mounted it | 09:38 |
| dangergrrl | why does the n900 sometimes get into a loop where it asks over and over 'disconnect or change connection'? | 09:38 |
| robbiethe1st | zakkkkm: And that didn't raise any red flags about running stuff from it..? | 09:39 |
| dangergrrl | i have a valid wifi connection and it has connectivity | 09:39 |
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| zakkkkm | wooh | 09:40 |
| zakkkkm | success :D | 09:40 |
| zakkkkm | its 2:40am here, I think im tired more than anything :) | 09:40 |
| dangergrrl | and it brings up 'disconnect or change connection' i tap outside the box and the dialog goes away only to come right back | 09:40 |
| zakkkkm | it probably should of, it didnt change the rwx bits | 09:41 |
| zakkkkm | no matter what i did | 09:41 |
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| zakkkkm | mv 4148 RSOC 100 CSOC 100 NAC 1297 CACD 1297 CACT 1297 TTF 65535 TTE 12117 TEMP 42 | 09:42 |
| zakkkkm | currently charging so mA is in negative | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | run it with parameter 30 /seconds) | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ( | 09:42 |
| zakkkkm | oh sorry | 09:42 |
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| zakkkkm | that is with 30 | 09:42 |
| zakkkkm | should i run with 5? | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see current rise from 10 to 25mA with 5 | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what the script eats for its own execution | 09:43 |
| zakkkkm | "query" itself rises it from 10-25? | 09:43 |
| zakkkkm | im not just going crazy here.. nobody ever calls me, i hardly check my phone .. and i could have dead battery in like 7-8 hours | 09:44 |
| zakkkkm | but then looking at say 10mah.. that should last like 4 days | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | which it usually does | 09:44 |
| dangergrrl | all google gives me is a bunch of localizations for osso-connectivity-ui.po | 09:45 |
| zakkkkm | idle is so low compared to usage :P | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: never seen that | 09:46 |
| zakkkkm | how do you change 3g pings? | 09:47 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: it's annoying when it happens | 09:47 |
| zakkkkm | dangergrrl: never seen either | 09:47 |
| zakkkkm | can probably set to automatically connect to celluar data? | 09:47 |
| zakkkkm | that way it wont ask? maybe. | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like autodisconnect or some other foo you have installed. Have you? | 09:47 |
| zakkkkm | DocScrutinizer: from the script results, i have a good battery? | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if CI=0 then yes | 09:49 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 09:49 |
| jacekowski | what time is in england now? | 09:49 |
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| jacekowski | 7:50 or 6:50 | 09:49 |
| zakkkkm | i didnt see a CI? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 6:50? | 09:49 |
| zakkkkm | 7:49am Monday (BST) - Time in London, UK | 09:49 |
| zakkkkm | http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=current+time+in+london | 09:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zakkkkm: use it in full (not loop) mode | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | CI is in the flags | 09:50 |
| zakkkkm | how? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | omit the 30 | 09:50 |
| zakkkkm | average current: 12mA? | 09:50 |
| dangergrrl | i killed the process doing it and it went away :) | 09:50 |
| zakkkkm | thats the discharge rate? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or charge rate | 09:51 |
| zakkkkm | oh | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | TTE=12117 suggests it's discharge | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Time To Empty | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | (min) | 09:52 |
| zakkkkm | TTE: 6062 minutes | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100h | 09:52 |
| zakkkkm | 4 days standy.. ahh not bad | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge would show TTF!=65535 | 09:53 |
| zakkkkm | dangergrrl: nice :) | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | all only valid if ComputationsIncorrect=0 | 09:53 |
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| zakkkkm | it is | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can do `bq27200.sh 5 >mybatlog.txt` | 09:55 |
| dangergrrl | good thing i had sshd running | 09:55 |
| zakkkkm | how do i do > on n900? | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctl-blue | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vkbd | 09:56 |
| zakkkkm | ctl-blue? | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | blue-SYM | 09:56 |
| dangergrrl | empathy/conversations seems to be doing it when i get xmpp messages | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the arrow and the ctl/sym key | 09:56 |
| zakkkkm | oh cooool | 09:57 |
| dangergrrl | that's how you hit esc also | 09:57 |
| zakkkkm | you can tell im an awful user eh? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah >:-( | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~debian zakkkkm | 09:58 |
| * infobot tells zakkkkm to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 09:58 | |
| zakkkkm | Good step up from n770 and n800 | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 09:59 |
| mece | lol | 09:59 |
| zakkkkm | phone provider is AWS 1700/2100, so i didnt have much phone choices too | 09:59 |
| zakkkkm | just use it as a phone | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | now don't start to complain you were forced to the N900, please :-P | 10:00 |
| zakkkkm | no i wanted it | 10:00 |
| zakkkkm | ever since it first got shown, all those screenshots of maemo 5 | 10:00 |
| zakkkkm | was too expensive at the time though | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wanted it before it was announced | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 10:01 |
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| zakkkkm | any of you use easy debian, or is that like dead? | 10:01 |
| mece | Yay nokia pure! \o/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=976837 | 10:01 |
| mece | that font is sexytiems! | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | even considered to retrofit my N810 with a 3G module | 10:02 |
| zakkkkm | heh | 10:02 |
| zakkkkm | that would work? | 10:02 |
| mece | hehe | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody actually did it | 10:02 |
| zakkkkm | i remember buying a usb keyboard and a female to female adapter for my n800 :) | 10:02 |
| zakkkkm | good times. | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | now you can use it for N900 :-D | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~h-e-n | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 10:03 |
| infobot | [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 10:03 |
| zakkkkm | lol | 10:03 |
| zakkkkm | i did it cause i couldnt afford a n810 | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmgrrr | 10:04 |
| zakkkkm | use sleepanalyser? | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 10:06 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 | 10:06 |
| zakkkkm | heh | 10:07 |
| zakkkkm | the dvd player part is sick | 10:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 10:07 |
| infobot | it has been said that hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 10:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the DVD-player part is somewhat broken ATM, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=971231&postcount=769 | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kick MohammadAG | 10:09 |
| * infobot kicks MohammadAG | 10:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: when will we get a PK46-addon-modules pkg? | 10:10 |
| zakkkkm | maybe one day ill have time for these things. | 10:10 |
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| dangergrrl | i bet hostmode drains the battery fast | 10:18 |
| dangergrrl | i really would like a twiddler2 by handykey | 10:19 |
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| dangergrrl | but would haqve to use hostmode for it | 10:19 |
| robbiethe1st | dangergrrl: So? grab a MintyBoost and use that to power the external device. | 10:19 |
| robbiethe1st | == not much power drain | 10:20 |
| dangergrrl | is that a powered hub? | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | lol | 10:20 |
| robbiethe1st | USB charger http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | The Twiddler has always seemed to be about as convenient a keyboard as rollerblade shoe would be. | 10:21 |
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| joga | I'd like a decent text entry thingy that you could use conveniently in pocket for example | 10:22 |
| dangergrrl | i want a twiddler for using my full size computer in bed | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Too much information | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Please keep your sexlife information _in_ the bed. | 10:24 |
| dangergrrl | no, like when i'm tired silly | 10:24 |
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| dangergrrl | or physically fatigued but incapable of sleep | 10:25 |
| joga | if you don't necessarily need text entry, some wireless gamepad or similar is pretty ok for using from bed etc | 10:25 |
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| joga | at least can surf and bind some keys too :) | 10:26 |
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| crashanddie | wireless mouse + wireless keyboard. | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | Or n900 with the bluetooth mouse emulator | 10:26 |
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| dangergrrl | and with an hmd i could irc and rollerblade with a n900 | 10:27 |
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| dangergrrl | and a twiddler | 10:27 |
| dangergrrl | they make ntsc hmd's cheap | 10:28 |
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| dangergrrl | i'd probably run into something but i do that anyhow | 10:28 |
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| timeless_w7ip | pupnik: http://timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8/ | 10:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | my n8 didn't pass the first screen test | 10:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/first/home/ | 10:30 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: my n8 didn't pass the home screen test | 10:30 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/dispatcher.php?URL_=product_hmd_i-glasses_hrv&SubCatID_=16&model=products&action=get&tab=summary | 10:31 |
| dangergrrl | something like that and a twiddler | 10:31 |
| dangergrrl | could totally walk around online | 10:31 |
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| ruskie | timeless_w7ip, what's the home screen test? | 10:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | dangergrrl: heh, exactly what I suggested yesterday (in another chan) for a nice stylish HMD | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, not exactly. http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/pdf/EG-7b.pdf is what I suggested | 10:41 |
| dangergrrl | i've been interested in wearable computing like forever | 10:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this one is technically interesting: http://www.vrealities.com/addvisor150.html | 10:41 |
| * ruskie has also been interested in wearable computing since forever | 10:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but the pricetag is hefty, plus the style could use some improvement :-P | 10:42 |
| ruskie | what I'd like to see is a small clip on camera(since I already have glasses)... and a smallish HUD projected on the glasses somehow.. with transparency being settable... | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | And wearable computing is exactly what I declared next trend after smartphones and tablets | 10:43 |
| ruskie | process the two and get actual information about the world around you... | 10:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | ruskie: does the home screen look unprofessional at firstr launch | 10:43 |
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| timeless_w7ip | s/str/st/ | 10:43 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: ruskie: does the home screen look unprofessional at first launch | 10:43 |
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| ruskie | ahh | 10:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | in this case, the text of some of the labels is cropped | 10:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | which is a pretty bad start for a phone | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: so maybe you want to sponsor my project to build exactly such a goggles HMD | 10:44 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, with what exactly? I tend to be broke most of the time | 10:45 |
| dangergrrl | oh neat, wonder how much they get for the eg-7 | 10:45 |
| ruskie | basically loved the nokia concept glasses that a vid on youtube is on | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.isi.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~nakayama/index_en.htm <-- ruskie | 10:45 |
| pupnik_ | i suppose none of you have made your hq2x upscaler program to upscale / convert .pngs? | 10:45 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, nice... tad big for a camera... and was hoping for a more discrete display, maybe embed a high-res lcd into the glasses or something like that... | 10:47 |
| ruskie | can it calculate vectors of objects that the camere sees? or is that to complex? | 10:49 |
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| dangergrrl | damn! | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: see the inition pdf I linked above | 10:52 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: looks like the MIT Media Lab would love to get a hold of you :) | 10:52 |
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| ruskie | sweet | 10:53 |
| ruskie | I want that | 10:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: of *me*, o of that Japanese guy? | 10:53 |
| dangergrrl | the inition one is cool wonder if it would work with other glasses | 10:53 |
| dangergrrl | o, of that japanese guy :) | 10:54 |
| dangergrrl | you were just showing the glasses | 10:54 |
| dangergrrl | duh | 10:54 |
| dangergrrl | i claim as my excuse that i don't sleep much | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:55 |
| pupnik_ | I have to enlarge about a thousand old game graphics bitmaps. And instead of doubling the pixels, i want to use the hq2x scaler in a program that will read-in the original, and spit-out the processed picture. | 10:56 |
| pupnik_ | http://i.imgur.com/4Iy5G.png | 10:56 |
| pupnik_ | the program is almost working :/ | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: my project is to augment a pair of googles like MicroOptical EG-7 by technology like found in shutter goggles, only way more evolved, plus a very small camera | 10:57 |
| dangergrrl | friday sipgate.com is supposed to have more phone numbers for free | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas that's way beyond what a mere mortal can do (unless working for hitachi LCD R&D department) | 10:57 |
| ruskie | shutter goggles? | 10:57 |
| dangergrrl | you could probably do that project working for tek in beaverton oregon but good luck getting on there without a phd :) | 10:59 |
| pupnik_ | ah well | 10:59 |
| dangergrrl | sounds like research tektronix would fund | 10:59 |
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| dangergrrl | they have a ton of hdtv related patents going way back | 11:00 |
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| pupnik_ | would you rather have a ferrari or a really good pair of VR goggles? | 11:03 |
| lcuk | why are those things mutually exclusive? | 11:04 |
| pupnik_ | they aren't necessarily. it's a hypothetical question | 11:04 |
| haj | pupnik_: A ferrari is basicially a tuned up fiat.. ;) | 11:04 |
| pupnik_ | to make people think about whether they are overpriced | 11:04 |
| ruskie | don't want VR... want AR goggles | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: man netpbm | 11:05 |
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| pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: it cannot do it | 11:06 |
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| dangergrrl | netpbm doesn't have any of the game scalers or doesn't have hq2x? | 11:08 |
| pupnik_ | they are hopelessly out of date | 11:10 |
| pupnik_ | academic retards | 11:10 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, kot keeps mentiong some image loading converting thingy | 11:11 |
| pupnik_ | it should be simple, i got the program built - just segfaults :d | 11:11 |
| dangergrrl | http://igargoyle.com/archives/head_mounted_displays/ | 11:11 |
| dangergrrl | netpbm was written like 20 years ago originally | 11:12 |
| dangergrrl | if your prog were a pnm to pnm filter it would integrate nicely :) | 11:13 |
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| ruskie | http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050606/105475/?ST=english <-- sweet this is the type of stuff I want to see more of... make the tech help me... but imho it needs to be a tad more discrete... | 11:16 |
| dangergrrl | when did network solutions get as annoying as all the other domain registrars? | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: what's :d ? I only know d8-) | 11:19 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&ds=pr&sugexp=llsfp&pq=microoptical+myvu&xhr=t&q=myvu&cp=0&qe=bXl2dQ&qesig=Ptz1qf-lLz63EEVIR6xmAQ&pkc=AFgZ2tkNbYcngNbaQESvWXDDJ78tTRL_7RmJPpDcZM_XotgLDkJ3lNnXtOau6-HVKtDbVo7kVoaVGqdNNdbmGIehxUkiE2mNIw&client=firefox-a&hs=7V8&rls=Sabayon:en:unofficial&biw=1282&bih=575&bs=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6656890109736005108&sa=X&ei=dkSQTYyGJInegQeC3_iHDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQ8wIwAQ# | 11:20 |
| dangergrrl | nice for the price | 11:20 |
| dangergrrl | more what i was thinking i could actually get | 11:20 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:21 |
| ruskie | I guess it's a split between those already wearing glasses and those that don't have glasses | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, wtf? | 11:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess that URL could get pruned somewhat | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for example I'm for sure not using &client=firefox-a& | 11:22 |
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| ruskie | and Sabayon ;) | 11:23 |
| dangergrrl | google shopping gives atrocious urls | 11:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | you don't want to give mozilla money for a search they helped you reach? | 11:23 |
| ruskie | dangergrrl, still better than tinyurling them | 11:24 |
| * ruskie loathes all url shorteners | 11:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, agree | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess you could find a somewhat shorter URL for same result | 11:24 |
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| dangergrrl | http://www.homecinemacenter.com/Myvu_Crystal_Personal_Media_Viewer_Standard_Editio_p/PMV-CRBK-10010-EN.htm | 11:26 |
| dangergrrl | that one actually has specs | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=myvu&cid=14630721650541296686 | 11:26 |
| dangergrrl | says it comes with a cable for nokia phones | 11:26 |
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| pupnik_ | hehe set my coffee down on the table and n900 usb started charging again | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's all not augmented reality but "blinding" viewer HMD | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: your USB is severely broken | 11:31 |
| pupnik_ | but if i set the cable just right, it charges! weee! | 11:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | pupnik: that won't last forever | 11:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | contact nokia care and ask them about fixing your usb port | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: it's *maybe* nice for watching a movie in train, but you can't use those for e.g. checking a website while walking sightseeing | 11:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | (hope you're still in warranty) | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: ++ | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: as long as it occasionally works, fixing it is simple even for arbitrary repair shops | 11:33 |
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| timeless_w7ip | doc: really? | 11:35 |
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| pupnik_ | the connector is sort of hard to access sitting under another part | 11:35 |
| pupnik_ | welcome back AD-770... | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | pupnik: seriously, contact support | 11:36 |
| pupnik_ | ... your dreams were your ticket out... | 11:36 |
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| dangergrrl | http://www.streetbikereview.com/sbr_reviews/sbr_reviews_sportvue.shtml | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: uhmm, yes. Of course you need to lift off the LED assembly which is attached to main PCB by some doublesided sticky | 11:40 |
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| dangergrrl | that looks sweet, not general purpose, but i ride | 11:40 |
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| pupnik_ | nothing ike cruisin for fun dangergrrl | 11:41 |
| dangergrrl | the other ones would be nice for watching a film or such | 11:41 |
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| ruskie | someones n900 in slovenia had the usb connector break and they had probs with the local repair service they refused to fix it(even though it was still in warranty)... | 11:43 |
| ruskie | in the end the person got it fixed but it took quite some effort | 11:44 |
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| jaska | ?~ | 11:47 |
| jaska | bloody ssh | 11:47 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.hiend3d.com/hq2x.html like i say, 10 years old DocScrutinizer | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: so what? You suggest there's no existing cmdline tool to use that, despite it being 10 years old? | 12:05 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 12:08 |
| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=976961#post976961 there's the proggie. just a few kb. | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I searched for imagemagic or sth like that, but couldn't find it. Anyway there are several powerful tools to manipulate images on linux cmdline | 12:08 |
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| pupnik_ | i know DocScrutinizer | 12:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Firsrtr r- have you trried another cable? | 12:12 |
| pupnik_ | yessir | 12:12 |
| pupnik_ | hey this unit was dead for 9 months, i'm happy it works at all | 12:12 |
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| flux | there is the 'done' button in the desktop, when rearranging objects, in n900. is there a way to cancel? | 12:14 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry flux , don't understand | 12:23 |
| ruskie | he wants to cancel the changes he made to the desktop | 12:24 |
| ruskie | and no I don't think you can... the done is simply there to close the edit mode I think | 12:24 |
| ruskie | all editing is saved realtime I believe | 12:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | flux: no | 12:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | 'done' is really 'close'/exit edit mode | 12:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | most of maemo doesn't really believe in cancel | 12:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | most things are live apply | 12:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | and yes, for the desktop, it's stupid | 12:26 |
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| timeless_w7ip | because it means your pocket can easily rearrange your desktop | 12:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | and when you recognize it, ... too bad | 12:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, that annoys me :) | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | but the UI/UX designers will claim "well the fix should be to make it harder to accidentally trigger" | 12:27 |
| alterego | backup gconf :) | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | "not to make it easier to undo" | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | they're half right | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | it should be harder to accidentally trigger than it is | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | but undo is actually useful in many cases and simplifies UI elsewhere | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | (including here actually) | 12:27 |
| alterego | A bit of both wouldn't go amiss. | 12:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | oddly for some reasons, browsers include a <back> button | 12:29 |
| flux | timeless_w7ip, that's exactly what happened here | 12:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | i think some ui designers never quite understood that | 12:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | flux: you have my sympathies | 12:29 |
| flux | timeless_w7ip, how about if there are backups? can I manually restore the files/parts of files and reboot and things will be back? | 12:30 |
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| flux | I guess I could stop the desktop first, and somehow avoid the watchdog in the process.. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, I was asked repeatedly why I had an always available back button | 12:31 |
| * lcuk strongly admires browser mechanisms in that regard :) | 12:31 | |
| timeless_w7ip | flux: you can make a backup using backup | 12:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | but its granularity is incredibly coarse | 12:31 |
| flux | timeless_w7ip, yeah, I was thinking of manually restoring parts of it.. | 12:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | flux: if you've made a backup semi recently, it's theoretically possible to manage it | 12:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | the backup is a zip file | 12:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | so you could make a second backup, then repack the bit you need into it and restore | 12:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to use cp and gconftool to create/restore backups of desktop settings | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | will need a bit of investigation to find the keys of gconf and the files to store/restore | 13:07 |
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| mazdok | hi there | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | h | 13:20 |
| mazdok | do you know if there will be a new kernel update soon or later? | 13:20 |
| mazdok | (even not official) | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | update like in 2.6.28+++? nope | 13:24 |
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| Termana | shit wrong button | 13:25 |
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| mazdok | DocScrutinizer, damn :( | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | What feature do you need? | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: there's powerkernel that has several backports of post-.28 features | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: ...and you're free to build your own kernel based on that | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: but as there are several dependencies to .28 in closed source parts of userland, it's highly unlikely we'll ever see any "new" kernel on maemo | 13:46 |
| mazdok | uhm | 13:47 |
| mazdok | DocScrutinizer, so this powerkernel | 13:48 |
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| mazdok | has features present in the new kernels but only some of them | 13:49 |
| mazdok | ok | 13:49 |
| mazdok | thank you | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it seems several people are working on - or at least considering - to port forward the dependencies in .28 to a recent kernel, so this 'new' kernel would be compatible to the .28 depending blobs. But in the end of the day it's just a question of porting back/forward the 2.6.3x tag as well, as a 2.6.28 kernel with all the new bits backported to it is identical to a 2.6.3x kernel with the .28 patches to trim it for maemo | 13:50 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: really? | 13:52 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: How is this seen by ... nookia? | 13:52 |
| mazdok | cool | 13:52 |
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| mazdok | DocScrutinizer, do you know when it will be released | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: err, please elaborate your question. I'm not a genuine kernel hacker so maybe some bits been fuzzy.... | 13:52 |
| mazdok | or do you know some of these people | 13:53 |
| mazdok | because I need to speak with them | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: ask here, search chan logs, it's my only source of info about this | 13:53 |
| mazdok | k thx | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: seems SHR working on parallel kernels .28 and duh .36(?), for N900-SHR. Meego afaik is using a new kernel | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the porting stuff for maemo has been mentioned/discussed by some users here | 13:55 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Will nokia help in tdoing this work or is it all ... community=? | 13:55 |
| tybollt | ? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia doesn't care about that | 13:55 |
| mazdok | I'd like to know which backport they are working on | 13:56 |
| tybollt | right... sigh | 13:56 |
| mazdok | DocScrutinizer, SHR? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: /join #openmoko-cdevel | 13:56 |
| mazdok | cheers | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic there | 13:56 |
| mazdok | k | 13:56 |
| mazdok | ah ok http://shr-project.org is like a different OS compared to maemo | 13:57 |
| mazdok | k | 13:57 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28/nokia_pure/ <-- what exactly is the point? | 14:44 |
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| smith1 | ruskie: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ttf-nokiapure/ | 14:47 |
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| crashanddie | Wow | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | So Nokia really decided to commit suicide, eh? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:14 |
| flux | I really don't think this is a change to the worse: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pure_devices.png | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | OMG, NOKIA GOT A NEW PHONE | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | s/PHONE/FONT/ | 15:18 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: OMG, NOKIA GOT A NEW FONT | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | Who thought anyone could ever get Bruno Maag to create a new font... But look... http://www.identifont.com/show?3WE | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | "New identity, new font". Nokia managed to buy a 10 year old font, sweet job, ladies. | 15:21 |
| dangergrrl | http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_taceye_lt.html#features | 15:21 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/28/review_gasget_zomm_/ <-- hmm | 15:27 |
| inz | the lower-case e renders quite differently on my natty than what it appears like in the images | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I question if your average 'man in the street' actually cares about fonts. | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | flux: looks like goddamn WP7. | 15:29 |
| mece | well the man in this office rather likes the pure font. | 15:29 |
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| flux | generalantilles, and the old font looks like.. goddamn symbian :( | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | flux, which is worse, really. :) | 15:31 |
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| timeless_xchat | so, auto comp edit is a great app | 15:46 |
| * timeless_xchat wonders if it's in extras | 15:46 | |
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| joppu | can anyone post their imei so I can download the N900 emmc image? :D | 15:50 |
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| joppu | in a query | 15:51 |
| timeless_xchat | why don't you take out the battery gtom your n900? | 15:51 |
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| ruskie | or if running just read it in the product info under settings? | 15:52 |
| joppu | cause I just got it set up for flashing and forgot about that stupid requirement | 15:52 |
| ruskie | erm... what's there to setup? | 15:52 |
| joppu | oh wait, it'll accept any N900 IMEI? | 15:52 |
| joppu | I have my bro's unit | 15:53 |
| ruskie | why not just read your own again? | 15:53 |
| joppu | so can I just enter its imei? | 15:53 |
| ruskie | but yeah just needs to be a valid n900 imei | 15:53 |
| timeless_xchat | any n900 imei will work | 15:53 |
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| joppu | that's because I just got it into flashing mode | 15:54 |
| joppu | thanks guys | 15:54 |
| ruskie | start flasher with n900 unplugged -> plugin -> flashes | 15:55 |
| ruskie | atleast that always worked for me | 15:55 |
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| joppu | and I gotta flash the whole device for just formatting the internal memory partition to NTFS for a second | 15:57 |
| joppu | and it's refusing to read the internal memory even after formatting back to FAT32 | 15:58 |
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| an0therb0x | i have a weird charging issue with my N900, it can only be charged using the connectivity cable | 16:04 |
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| timeless_office | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056608&cid=35636896 | 16:05 |
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| Jartza | true | 16:08 |
| joppu | haha :D | 16:10 |
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| GAN900 | I hate that Slashdot comments don't have the year in the header. | 16:18 |
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| crashanddie | aye | 16:22 |
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| timeless_office | i hate that i can't get back to the old /. view where i could do <oldest first>, <ignore threading>, | 16:22 |
| timeless_office | or something like that | 16:23 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:27 |
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| crashanddie | 'noon | 16:28 |
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| lardman | Have we just had a weekend, seems to have slipped by | 16:31 |
| lardman | ah, I missed the Council handover meeting, I take it everything went well? | 16:31 |
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| an0therb0x | why did maemo never gain popularity even with Nokia | 16:36 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, we voted and you're out. Sorry. | 16:36 |
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| lardman | out of the community? :) | 16:38 |
| an0therb0x | are there other devices running maemo ? | 16:38 |
| lardman | other than the Nokia ones, nope | 16:38 |
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| lardman | ah, finally a version of Powerpoint that allows you to open files in different windows | 16:40 |
| lardman | now, let's wonder when M$ finally realise this would also be useful in Excel | 16:41 |
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| an0therb0x | will meego be coming to the n900 ? | 16:52 |
| lardman | not officially, but there is an adaptation effort ongoing funded by Nokia | 16:53 |
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| an0therb0x | lardman: the n900 is a very good device it would be a shame if it is the end of the line for Nokia | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | welcome, captain obvious | 16:58 |
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| an0therb0x | is anybody familar with the mobile hotspot program, the gui does not work and the command line works maybe 62% of the time | 17:03 |
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| crashanddie | 62%? | 17:05 |
| timeless_office | that's a nifty number | 17:05 |
| jaska | sounds specific | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG, LOL got into oxforddict | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | Clearly extensive testing has been conducted. | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | It's truly the end of the world. | 17:07 |
| an0therb0x | i knew it would get something | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | It's getting you on our nerves, that's what. | 17:08 |
| * GAN900 needs to add tab again. | 17:09 | |
| timeless_office | crashanddie: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12095 | 17:09 |
| povbot | Bug 12095: addtogroup writes two past the end of members | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMGOMGOMG | 17:09 |
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| timeless_office | [its funny. laugh] | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (OMG first official appearance in a letter to(/of?) Churchil | 17:10 |
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| khertan | Heya ! | 17:12 |
| an0therb0x | crashaddie: calm down my question was about mobile hotspot startup issues not some arbitrary number | 17:12 |
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| crashanddie | an0therb0x, at least pretend to type my nickname correctly? | 17:13 |
| timeless_office | an0therb0x: general hint, in science you aren't supposed to offer more digits than for whicih you have precision | 17:13 |
| timeless_office | s/cih/ch/ | 17:14 |
| infobot | timeless_office meant: an0therb0x: general hint, in science you aren't supposed to offer more digits than for which you have precision | 17:14 |
| Arkenoi | seems that nokia messaging is on life support now. e7 does not even have mailbox configuration option for that. | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_office: that's for sure true for decimals, but what's about the ones left of decimal ? | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe 0.06 k% | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seem like % isn't supposed to have any magnitude generally | 17:18 |
| an0therb0x | timeless_office: is anybody familiar with the mobile hotspot program, the gui does not work and the command line works sometimes | 17:18 |
| timeless_office | i've only seen it mentioned a couple of times here | 17:19 |
| timeless_office | but iirc you bought it | 17:19 |
| timeless_office | which means you can ask for support from the vendor | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't mobile hotspot FOSS? | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe you're mixing that with joghurtsport? | 17:20 |
| an0therb0x | it is | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (which aiui is like running cygwin under winXP in a vbox on linux) | 17:21 |
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| timeless_office | heh | 17:22 |
| timeless_office | x-fade: ping | 17:22 |
| timeless_office | i tried searching maemo.org/download for Auto Comp Edit | 17:22 |
| timeless_office | and failed miserably. is there some trick to it? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless_office: Use google? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-P | 17:23 |
| timeless_office | ... | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | site:maemo.org/download Auto comp edit | 17:24 |
| timeless_office | Your search - site:maemo.org/download Auto comp edit - did not match any documents. | 17:24 |
| timeless_office | i'm not getting the hit i want | 17:25 |
| timeless_office | i want to find out if it's in extras or needs a vote out of testing | 17:25 |
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| khertan | timeless_office: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=comp&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 17:27 |
| khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/autocompleteeditor/ | 17:27 |
| khertan | timeless_office: and with google : site:maemo.org/packages auto complete editor | 17:28 |
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| khertan | timeless_office: maemo.org/download contain only extras, and autothingeditor is available in testing and devel only :) | 17:29 |
| khertan | but you know that | 17:29 |
| timeless_office | i don't use /download -- so i have no idea what's in it :) | 17:30 |
| timeless_office | and i haven't used /packages in nearly a year? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 17:30 |
| timeless_office | ok, haven't used it this year? :) | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: how did you construct that obfuscated URL? | 17:32 |
| GAN900 | timeless_offic, packages. | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | khertan: smells like SQL-injection | 17:34 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer: lol | 17:35 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer: it s just that for a simple search the maemo site is really complex for nothing :) | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to replace LIKE by maybe PURGE | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sth along that line | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I don't see what you entered to that silly search mask to get that URL | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there any 'advanced search' or sth? | 17:38 |
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| khertan | :( | 17:40 |
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| eichi | hello. someone knows, why my espeak from mappero is russian? i want to have englisch/german | 18:26 |
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| arcol | how can I enable fremantle extras for maemo-sdk ? (scratchbox) | 18:33 |
| halin | I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900. It installed successfully and is shown in the installed applications | 18:33 |
| halin | But I am not able to run it | 18:33 |
| halin | No option is there | 18:33 |
| halin | it is not available in the menu | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | eichi: hehe | 18:34 |
| halin | how can it be run | 18:34 |
| halin | ? | 18:34 |
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| eichi | DocScrutinizer? | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eichi: I'm just amused about russian mappero | 18:37 |
| chem|st | halin: cli? | 18:38 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: ++ | 18:38 |
| halin | chem|st: I wrote <myappname> in the terminal, but it says file not found | 18:38 |
| chem|st | optified? | 18:39 |
| chem|st | as /opt/usr/bin/ is not in $PATH | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a symlink from /usr/bin to /opt/foo/<myapp>/* missing. | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | permissions not set +x | 18:40 |
| halin | chem|st: I ran ./opt/usr/bin/<myappname>, still the same error | 18:41 |
| chem|st | halin: is it there? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm did you ls -l it? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ./opt looks odd | 18:41 |
| halin | DocScrutinizer51: ls -l ? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ugh | 18:42 |
| chem|st | ./opt/* does only work wif your starting path is / | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | halin: sorry but don't you know about shell? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how did you write that app? | 18:42 |
| halin | DocScrutinizer51: I mean what is the use of ls -l there ? | 18:43 |
| chem|st | halin: to see if it is there | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to show 'is it there' ande also the permissions | 18:43 |
| chem|st | ~ls | 18:43 |
| infobot | bash: ls: permission denied | 18:43 |
| chem|st | ~botsnack | 18:44 |
| infobot | thanks, chem|st | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :) | 18:44 |
| halin | ls -l lists the name, but no directory names are there | 18:45 |
| halin | only some rwrwww | 18:45 |
| halin | and busybox | 18:45 |
| chem|st | halin: the rwrwww reads like rwxrwxrwx 1r=Readable by owner 1w=Writeable by owner 1x= eXecute by owner; 2rwx = by group; 3rwx = by all | 18:47 |
| chem|st | if there is no x at all it is not executable | 18:47 |
| halin | chem|st: I mean I ran ls -l in /opt/usr/bin | 18:48 |
| chem|st | like rw-r----- means read/write if owner read if in group | 18:48 |
| halin | chem|st: a long list came in which none contained any apps name | 18:48 |
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| jigrap | does the latest maemo build for the n900 support tx in pfmon in the wireless driver? | 18:49 |
| chem|st | you do not see the full list as the entries are like | 18:49 |
| chem|st | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1188 2008-07-26 17:37 zipgrep | 18:49 |
| chem|st | the last bit is the file's name... | 18:50 |
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| chem|st | halin: you may do ls -l /opt/usr/bin/ | grep <yourapp> | 18:51 |
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| chem|st | should only give one line of result | 18:51 |
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| arcol | zeusone | 19:07 |
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| * DocScrutinizer frowns at <halin> I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900<< and wonders how easy it seems to be to create a Qt app and install the .deb | 19:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | halin: try `find / -name <yourapp>` | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | halin: try `find / -name '*<yourapp>*' ` actually | 19:11 |
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| arcol | how can I send a message to a maemo.org member? (zeusone) | 19:18 |
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| crashanddie | arcol, you know the n900 has an accelerometer? | 19:21 |
| crashanddie | arcol, simply put your phone down on a table, and tap his username as morse code | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | it'll open a chat window with hi | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | him | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | hang on, there's a youtube video showing an old proof of concept | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 19:22 |
| chem|st | arcol: type his name in the PM recipient box... it has auto lookup, tap his name in a thread "msg to <name>" should show if available | 19:23 |
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| eichi | can I exit the masse storage mode without unpluging and plugins in again the usb? | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | probably by unmounting/remounting | 19:25 |
| TheJ | i think from the statusbar menu | 19:26 |
| NIN101 | eichi | 19:29 |
| NIN101 | Maybe the script /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh can help | 19:29 |
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| eichi | there is no button in status bar. its just a non-clickable field | 19:32 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia said it was impossible (lol) in some bug | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | though I'm pretty sure it's possible, I just lack the C/Gtk skills | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | actually, GLib, Gtk's easy | 19:34 |
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| arcol | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=931352#post931352 | 19:41 |
| arcol | crashanddie: I dont see any PM button | 19:41 |
| arcol | maybe my registration is not complete | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | how many message do you have on TMO? | 19:42 |
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| arcol | crashanddie: 0 | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | arcol, I mean, how many posts have you made, 0? | 19:56 |
| arcol | PM ? yes, 0. To the forum: 2 | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | You need 5 or 10 for PM to be activated | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | So you'll have to be a bit more active | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | And patient, or find another way to communicate | 19:57 |
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| halin | DocScrutinizer: find shows my apps name | 20:06 |
| halin | DocScrutinizer: it is in share | 20:07 |
| halin | DocScrutinizer: but it just scrolls down every file name in the / | 20:07 |
| halin | DocScrutinizer: so I am not able to get where exactly the file is | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | what are you trying to do? | 20:10 |
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| halin | MohammadAG: I have installed my app on N900. But it doesn't appear in the menus | 20:13 |
| halin | MohammadAG: so I tried find / -name *<myappname>* | 20:13 |
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| MohammadAG | you need a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | the binary isn't enough for an icon obviously | 20:14 |
| halin | MohammadAG: ok, but as now I have installed it as is, how can I run it | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG | execute the binary from terminal | 20:15 |
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| halin | MohammadAG: I wrote <myappname>, but it says: file not found | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | find /opt -name myapp | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /path/to/myapp | 20:18 |
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| MohammadAG | then it's not in $PATH | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | how did you install it? | 20:24 |
| o0-Dan-0o | hi | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2011-03-28 17:33:45] <halin> I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900. It installed successfully and is shown in the installed applications | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | holy shit @ opera | 21:00 |
| mece | 63 | 21:00 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, what about it? | 21:01 |
| Proteous | that clown dude is so sad | 21:01 |
| Proteous | makes me cry | 21:01 |
| Proteous | oh, not that opera? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | mece, it's awesome | 21:03 |
| mece | it quite is. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | they killed checkboards while scrolling | 21:04 |
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| timeless_office | yeah | 21:04 |
| mece | but password fields have cap first letter, and I can't manage getting a linefeed in textareas. | 21:04 |
| timeless_office | all thing considered, i prefer their buttons that appear at times over the checkboard execution | 21:04 |
| mece | Did bugreports | 21:04 |
| timeless_office | the zoom buttons as well as the jump to top/bottom/edge | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mece: seems all my pw fields on maemo had autocapitalisation until I disabled it globally | 21:10 |
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| mece | not a problem in ff or microB | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which admittedly been 14months ago | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the only annoying thing with opera is the missing flash support so youtube won't play | 21:11 |
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| timeless_office | there's a standalone app for that :) | 21:16 |
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| kerio | yeah, yeah, draw attention from the fact that the browser *you* made is not fast enough for our needs! | 21:17 |
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| timeless_office | ? | 21:17 |
| timeless_office | this is for people who try to use Opera and discover it lacks Flash support | 21:17 |
| timeless_office | unlike the native browser which supports Flash ootb :) | 21:17 |
| kerio | people only use opera because microB is slow | 21:17 |
| kerio | and i blame YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU | 21:18 |
| kerio | and only you | 21:18 |
| kerio | because you're the only microB dev that i know | 21:18 |
| timeless_office | heh | 21:18 |
| timeless_office | actually, i haven't really found opera to be faster | 21:19 |
| timeless_office | it has better tab behavior because its engineers have more freedom than our engineers had | 21:19 |
| timeless_office | arguably it has better bookmarks behavior | 21:20 |
| timeless_office | although in practice i don't use it | 21:20 |
| timeless_office | and again, this is not the fault of the engineers | 21:20 |
| timeless_office | we were instructed not to work on bookmarks, so we didn't | 21:20 |
| timeless_office | opera's double tap zoom behavior generally fails ime (unlike microb) | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | MicroB is mostly awesome. | 21:21 |
| Proteous | circle to zoom FTW | 21:21 |
| timeless_office | of note, opera's recent on screen zoom buttons really are a good improvement over whatever it had before | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | not perfect, but much improved | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some real annoyances for me, mostly by design. | 21:22 |
| kerio | microb lets me access the real google reader on the go, so i <3 microb | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | most of microb's faults are either management or management when it comes down to it | 21:22 |
| kerio | and i also <3 timeless_office | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | :) | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | microb would be faster if we were allowed to ship updates | 21:22 |
| kerio | the mobile version is just... bad | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | we have gecko working much better these days | 21:22 |
| timeless_office | but... | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_office: For no reason you can expand on, I assume. | 21:23 |
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| kerio | timeless_office: MohammadAG is that way -> | 21:23 |
| timeless_office | speedevil: the browser ispart of a product | 21:23 |
| timeless_office | and the product only releases w/ release vehicles | 21:23 |
| timeless_office | w/o a release vehicle... you can't get out the door | 21:23 |
| timeless_office | put slighlty differently | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that Nokia just released a font. Can I have it with that? :) | 21:24 |
| timeless_office | the IE team can't release a new feature for IE6 just because it wants to | 21:24 |
| timeless_office | (or for IE7 or IE8 or even IE9 for that matter) | 21:24 |
| timeless_office | it has to arrange for the feature or whatever to be packaged together w/ whatever else is waiting in whatever the next available release vehicle is | 21:24 |
| timeless_office | for the IE team, that was IE9 recently | 21:24 |
| * timeless_office isn't sure what their next vehicle is | 21:24 | |
| SpeedEvil | A clown car? | 21:25 |
| pronto | you're a car clown | 21:25 |
| timeless_office | aww, be nice. they sent us(mozilla) a cake | 21:25 |
| pronto | cake :O | 21:25 |
| timeless_office | http://www.techspot.com/news/42945-microsoft-sends-mozilla-another-cake-for-firefox-4-release.html | 21:25 |
| pronto | :p | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Mmmm. | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, didn't quite get that :P | 21:26 |
| pronto | i think im still using a RC of firefox4 xD | 21:26 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: you know, CSSU | 21:26 |
| kerio | please update microB :( | 21:26 |
| pronto | hrm appently not | 21:26 |
| timeless_office | pronto: if you're using rc2, that *is* ff4 | 21:26 |
| timeless_office | that's the thing about release candidates :) | 21:26 |
| * SpeedEvil updates after FF crashes. | 21:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | This means I'm still on RC1. | 21:27 |
| pronto | i've been using firefox4 since the second or third beta lol | 21:27 |
| * SpeedEvil grumbles. | 21:27 | |
| timeless_office | speedevil: so ... | 21:27 |
| pronto | update though each beta xD | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, I doubt timeless_office will ship us better sources for gecko | 21:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's better than it was - it was crashing daily for me. | 21:27 |
| pronto | pgo builds to, compile time was no fun D: | 21:27 |
| kerio | timeless_office: pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | but then again, I might be wrong | 21:27 |
| timeless_office | the main reason we shipped rc2 was released was to include certificate revocation notations | 21:27 |
| timeless_office | for things like mail.google.com | 21:27 |
| kerio | disregard NDAs, ship source code | 21:27 |
| timeless_office | you kinda really really want to be running ff4 instead of rc1 | 21:27 |
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| MohammadAG | binaries would be fine | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | but gecko's foss so... | 21:28 |
| timeless_office | mohammadag: so. microb's source is in the repositories | 21:28 |
| kerio | i suppose the glue is the problem | 21:28 |
| timeless_office | in theory you can try to merge forward | 21:28 |
| kerio | oh, even better | 21:28 |
| timeless_office | i haven't tried it | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_office: Surely the cerificate revocation only hits if you manage to get on a network with compromised DNS? | 21:28 |
| timeless_office | but if you have problems, you can ask romaxa for help | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | err, what? | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | microb's closed | 21:29 |
| timeless_office | mohammadag: microb is mostly gecko + a tiny wrapper | 21:29 |
| timeless_office | and the gecko portion is definitely open | 21:29 |
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| kerio | that would be browserd, yes? | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | how hard would it be to clone the browser ui actually? | 21:29 |
| timeless_office | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/microb-engine/ | 21:29 |
| timeless_office | mohammadag: well | 21:30 |
| timeless_office | there's an open impl of a basic browserd client somewhere | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | bookmarks are piss easy I guess | 21:30 |
| timeless_office | which is more or less what the tutorial uses | 21:30 |
| timeless_office | if you want the neteal client bits, that might cost a bit more resources | 21:30 |
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| timeless_office | but. you might be able to manage it in 2 months | 21:30 |
| arcol | MohammadAG: I think the best bet would be eve browser | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | I was thinking a 1:1 clone | 21:30 |
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| timeless_office | well, you'd probably do it evolutionary | 21:31 |
| timeless_office | start by taking the open browser-eal client | 21:31 |
| timeless_office | getting that running, then evolve to switch to neteal | 21:31 |
| timeless_office | from there you can start being magical about how you do things | 21:31 |
| timeless_office | i wouldn't call it impossible | 21:32 |
| timeless_office | note that the reason we have bookmarks is mostly to let the user see something while gecko laods | 21:32 |
| timeless_office | s/laods/loads/ | 21:32 |
| infobot | timeless_office meant: note that the reason we have bookmarks is mostly to let the user see something while gecko loads | 21:32 |
| timeless_office | it isn't because bookmarks are important | 21:32 |
| timeless_office | it's a form of a splash screen | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | I remember opening a bug about that | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | and you closed it :) | 21:32 |
| timeless_office | misdirection is important | 21:33 |
| timeless_office | it makes the user feel better | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | I complained that about:blank takes time to load, obviously because of engine load time | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | meh, irc lagging | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | remind me how the iPhone covers that crap up... | 21:34 |
| * timeless_office shrugs | 21:35 | |
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| Nirtal | Hi! Do anyone here have any experience of rapairing a hardware failure on a nokia n900? | 21:40 |
| Proteous | you spill your coffee in the keyboard? | 21:40 |
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| Nirtal | I dropped my n900 in a puddle | 21:40 |
| Nirtal | :( | 21:40 |
| Nirtal | I now the screen doesn't work | 21:40 |
| Proteous | take the battery out imediatly | 21:40 |
| Nirtal | I know | 21:41 |
| Proteous | how long ago was this? | 21:41 |
| Nirtal | I did that | 21:41 |
| Nirtal | Thursday :P | 21:41 |
| Proteous | heh | 21:41 |
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| Proteous | well, a puddle is better than the ocean I guess | 21:41 |
| Proteous | did you do anything to try to dry it out? | 21:41 |
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| Proteous | put it in a bag of rice | 21:41 |
| Nirtal | I removed the battery as soon as I found it from the puddle | 21:41 |
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| Nirtal | And then I put everything to peices | 21:42 |
| Proteous | how does it look? | 21:42 |
| Nirtal | and then I dried it | 21:42 |
| Proteous | maybe you just put it back together incorrectly | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'd put it in rice for a day or two | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Bag of rice is not helpful. | 21:42 |
| RST38h | "Hoping to distance itself from itself, Nokia's got a brand new bagNokia Pure, which looks sort of like the old Sans injected with Helvetica hormones." | 21:42 |
| Proteous | didn't connect the video ribon cable correctly | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Oven at 50C or so for a week. | 21:42 |
| Nirtal | Screen doesn't work, but at first try I got it to work with going in USB mode and then it started up, the screen was flickering alot but everything seemed to work besides that | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | How long did you dry it? | 21:43 |
| Nirtal | Long time | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | At what temperature? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'd say the ribbon cable | 21:43 |
| Nirtal | I was shure it was dry when i tried | 21:43 |
| Nirtal | Don't know SpeedEvil | 21:43 |
| Nirtal | about 30 degrees celcuis or so | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Nirtal: Consider that tehre are 0.25mm spaces in there under chips. That have to dry from the edges in. | 21:44 |
| Nirtal | yes | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: "James Gosling, the father of Java, has joined Google" | 21:44 |
| Nirtal | I made shure everything was dry. | 21:44 |
| Nirtal | But now the screen doesn't work. And I tried connecting it to my tv and it didn't work there either | 21:45 |
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| Nirtal | But it seems to start up and stuff couse I hear the 'login' sounds | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | i think the device won't start up if the ribbon's borked | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | ask DocScrutinizer about that, he broke his | 21:46 |
| Nirtal | ribbon? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | a ribbon cable | 21:46 |
| Nirtal | ah | 21:46 |
| Nirtal | :P | 21:46 |
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| Nirtal | They don't seem to be broken, and as I told. Even with the tv-calbe it doesn't work | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | try x11vnc? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, you seem to like arguing and rejecting good advice | 21:47 |
| Nirtal | hmm, no I havn't | 21:47 |
| Nirtal | I'm sorry | 21:48 |
| Nirtal | I will try to get to it with ssh/vnc | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if the device is wet (and it is until maybe a week after event, even when sitting in a warm place with air moving) the you'll ruin it by powering it up or even inserting battery | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | AV doesn't work when ribbon is broken | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Was it a clean puddle, on a road which had not been salted? | 21:50 |
| Nirtal | yes | 21:50 |
| Nirtal | oh | 21:50 |
| Nirtal | SpeedEvil no, it was in a puddle in a sandbox | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it can take ages to get water out from under the chips | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but, as stated above, seems you don't want to hear these things, so... | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | Stop scaring poor guy. Or at least tell him it has been radioactive water. | 21:52 |
| Nirtal | )= | 21:53 |
| Nirtal | I'm sorry if I sounded bitchy DocScrutinizer, I'm lissening now | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: the bag of rice is the most silly story/idea you probably can have | 21:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Consider if rice gets soggy if you leave it out. | 21:55 |
| Nirtal | ok, it seem to connect to my wlan atleast | 21:56 |
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| Nirtal | But ssh isn't started as default | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nirtal: I guess your FPC (ribbon cable) is broken | 21:58 |
| Nirtal | ok | 21:58 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, why is a bag of rice not helpful? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | check if LED and proxy sensor still work | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and camera (yeah I know) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is that rice supposed to do? | 21:58 |
| Proteous | same as the pack of slica in electronics | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It doesn't reduce humidity much, if at all. | 21:59 |
| Proteous | removes mosture from the air | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: And if it does, evaporation at ambient temperature does not proceed fast. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | bs, tha pack of silica will be saturated after 4 weeks at free air. Rice is like years at free air | 21:59 |
| Proteous | so rice isn't better than no rice? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's even worse | 22:00 |
| Proteous | ... | 22:00 |
| Proteous | why is that? | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Rice stops air circulation. | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | A) debris in device B) no air movement | 22:00 |
| Proteous | what if you put it in a rice cooker with rice and turn it on? | 22:01 |
| Proteous | then you also get tasty rice at the end | 22:01 |
| lcuk | mmm rice n chips | 22:01 |
| Nirtal | DocScrutinizer what do you mean by LED and proxy? LED = the two camare leds ? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | last dude who tried the rice nonsense refused to eat it, as he expected some chemicals come out of the broken bupbat in N900 | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nirtal: indicator LED | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | breathing light | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | charging light | 22:02 |
| Nirtal | Yes, it works | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the rest you at very least need ssh access | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly I'd dry it properly for another 7 days | 22:03 |
| Nirtal | yeah, to bad it doesn't start when I start the phone :( | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | at ~50°C | 22:03 |
| Nirtal | ok | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually it does if it's installed | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so 50C is safe? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you might have that "please enter country, date, time" requester that stops proper bootup | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sure | 22:05 |
| Nirtal | hmm, can't figure out where to put it for that's 50c :P | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PC fan | 22:06 |
| Proteous | cloths dryer | 22:06 |
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| Proteous | just wrap it in bubble wrap | 22:06 |
| Proteous | good airflow too | 22:06 |
| Proteous | :P | 22:06 |
| Nirtal | cloths dryer? :P | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: you're not exactly helpful, with the missing <JOKE!> tags | 22:07 |
| Proteous | heh, sorry | 22:07 |
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| Proteous | just unhook the dryer belt so it doesn't rotate :P | 22:07 |
| Proteous | you know what would work good, a food dehydrator, for making dried fruit and jerky and whatnot | 22:08 |
| Nirtal | Ok, now I put it on my pc:s fan, where it blows out | 22:08 |
| Proteous | and at the end you also have tasty snakcs | 22:08 |
| Proteous | snacks | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: now the missing joke tags bite your own ass | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm starting to get bored of it | 22:09 |
| Proteous | okay | 22:09 |
| Nirtal | DocScrutinizer do you think it will work in 7 days or are you skeptical? | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: the FPC usually breaks on the 3 layer B2B-connector at end | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm sceptical | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they soldered a rigid B2B connector to one side of a flexible plastic PCB, and a semi rigid 'jumper'-PCB on the other side | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slight bending and the solder joints go POP | 22:11 |
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| sin18 | has anyone recent success with a last.fm client on 900 running fremantle | 22:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer is wondering since ~8 months now if this can get fixed by a flat-iron | 22:12 | |
| RST38h | yes. you will need to get a unique key from the last.fm | 22:12 |
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| sin18 | any recommendations on client or is scrobbler the best choice? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nirtal: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html otherwise | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: X-P http://www.ownta.com/nokia-3g-n8-n900-c6-series-new-bga-stencil.html | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | Doc: More fun btw: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1301313213P.pdf | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nirtal: OTOH (sceptical) there's been http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-26.log.html#t2011-03-26T11:41:49 | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nirtal: and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-26.log.html#t2011-03-26T12:22:17 | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: those idiots. it's 1Sv/h, not 1000Sv/h | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | they missed the 'm' | 22:34 |
| RST38h | It is an official report though | 22:34 |
| RST38h | How likely it is that they will miss 'm' in the official document? | 22:35 |
| Nirtal | DocScrutinizer do you know if he got it working? | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | read the log until and including 2nd link posted above | 22:35 |
| wmarone | RST38h: quite likely, considering all the other typos | 22:35 |
| RST38h | yea... | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be permanently broken meanwhile | 22:36 |
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| Nirtal | ok, he got it working by starting X manual what I could understand | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: >> Water found in the turbine building of unit-2 contains radioactive material 100000 times as much as radioactive material contained in water in the reactor at normal operation and radioactivity of water surface is more than 1000mSv/hr. Also water found in the turbine building of unit-1 and unit-3 contains radioactive material, which is 1000 times as much. (04:20, March 28) << Now all is clear, no? ;-P | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Long live the meltdown! | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the 1000Sv/h apply to #1 and #3 only :-P | 22:42 |
| RST38h | How refershing! | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (based on my take on the "...which is 1000 times as much [as in #2]" ) | 22:43 |
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| trip0 | http://www.amazon.com/USB-Micro-Female-Male-Adaptor/dp/B0023FTRUO | 22:44 |
| Nirtal | but I can't acces my phone with ssh to try start x manual )= | 22:44 |
| trip0 | read the 3rd review | 22:44 |
| trip0 | dude says he has usb-host working on the n900 | 22:44 |
| trip0 | i didn't think that we could do host mode on the n900 | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 22:45 |
| infobot | from memory, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: you've been living in a cave? ;-D | 22:45 |
| RST38h | ...ain't we all... | 22:46 |
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| trip0 | prolly | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | even: | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 22:47 |
| infobot | hostmode-powered is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 22:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Anyway - the radioactivity is overstated, and can be easily fixed. You just need to cover the reactor in rice. | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict LOL | 22:55 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'LOL' (2): Laughing Out Loud (telecommunication-slang, Usenet, IRC) ;; <chat> "laughing out loud", or "lots of love" or "luck". (2003-07-29). | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: neat (stencil) | 22:56 |
| trip0 | rice absorbs radiation? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems infobot has missed to keep her oxford dictionary up to date | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | trip0: In the same way it absorbs humidity. | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I think it's even better at radiation | 22:57 |
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| vldcnst | ~dict gtfo | 22:58 |
| infobot | could not find definition for gtfo | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: haven't noticed gtfo being included to latest oxford dictionary | 22:59 |
| vldcnst | It should! | 22:59 |
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| GAN900 | But then we'll have the attack of the killer rice monsters. | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | will take some time. OMG is, since yesterday (iiuc) and that's witnessed in a letter to Churchil | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: It seems in Netherlands a lot of tomatoes and other veggies are sterilized by cobalt-60 hard gamma. Radiation levels like 10Sv/min | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Did he use the prudish OMG or the moreappropriate OMFG? | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | Nice | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | A service dude went into this concrete bunker to fix something with the carrying belt, and they had a hard time get him out, even his corpse I should say | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Doc: Gamma sterilization is actually a pretty standard procedure, for milk products as well. Nothing to worry about, as there is no traces of radiation | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | above story just hearsay (about the service dude), but iirc he didn't make it out again, so radiation must have been FSCKNG high | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yeah, I know | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | gamma doesn't create many unstable isotopes | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | still I don't want to eat those things | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Better than chemical sterilization | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, maybe | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in those fruits there's definitely NO life, not even any virus anymore | 23:08 |
| RST38h | I am fine eating them, sorry :) | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | my failing usb port has failed | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you'll proly missing a lot of complex molecules | 23:08 |
| RST38h | molecules will be fine, andI suspect that some viruses too | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess ultrahard gamma doesn't only bash DNA into chunks | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | what i can do now | 23:09 |
| RST38h | Well it will[eventually] destroy a lot of things like plastics, but not right away | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, gamma sterilization definitely kills viruses (virii?) | 23:10 |
| RST38h | virii I guess | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | viruses are dead | 23:10 |
| RST38h | You also do not want any light metals (like aluminium) in its way =) | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | but my usb port is a problem | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | not some radiation | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, tepco anouced today(!) they found Pu in 5 soil probes taken a week ago | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | that brings the question what we don't know yet | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | but how do i fix my phone | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the rest, I suppose | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what's wrong? resolder USB receptacle? | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | nah, it's still there | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | just not working | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | resolder it | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | and void my warranty | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | or first check contacts with a mag glass | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | and it doesn't feel wobbly | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil found some debris in his receptacle | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | how long does it take for nokia to repair it? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | others had bent contacts | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | as usual, as all does. 4-8w | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (gamma virus kill) usually those cobalt-60 sterilizaers are used for medical equipment like syringes etc. Should kill virus, or it'd be too bad | 23:29 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Dunno, the industrial ones (of which I have seen pictures) used to sterilize foodstuffs are too large and evil looking for your average hospital | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: [STERILE][R] -> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Surgical_gloves_05.JPG&filetimestamp=20080511161655 | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | R as in Radiation | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | that pcb around the camera | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | is it glued? | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, doublesided sticky | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hard to get off but feasible | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch the friggin FPC to main PCB! | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | fpc? | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | ah | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | that thing | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's really like that! integral part of PCB manufacturing process, no way to replace or fix it | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 23:45 |
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| jacekowski | when i plug in the cable something happens | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | as in phone switches on | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | but it's not detected | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've never before seen such >shudder, gimme a word for it<< | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | D+/- disconnected | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, this narrows down what to check | 23:46 |
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| jacekowski | well | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | my meter leads are like 10x bigger than they should be for that | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | how does it go from left to right | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've cut a USB cable | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | GND D- D+ VUSB ID | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, IIRC | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | where is left | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ID left when looking 'like a plug looks at it' | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | IIRC | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | with pins on top or bottom | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe GND and VUSB are swapped, better check! | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: :-) large and evil looking: http://www.hpcimedia.com/images/website/OldCleanRoom/DIR_1/F_6711.jpg | 23:51 |
| RST38h | yeah, like that | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | complete with cherenkov radiation | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Farbkodierung_und_Pinouts | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ^^^ | 23:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.makelinux.com/emb/fastboot/omap | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | How fast can you go! | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: NB the schematic connectors are plugs | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (mini-A, mini-B) | 23:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Insane. 300ms boot. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so looking at the solder posts from PCB, the sequence is (L to R): 5GND 4ID 3D+ 2D- 1VBUS | 23:59 |
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