IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-03-25

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Sazpaimon_anyone use the rdesktop port?00:05
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Sazpaimon_i cant get the fullscreen icon to go away00:06
Sazpaimon_it makes it impossible to use the corner of the screen00:06
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merlin1991Sazpaimon_: I can't either, that seems to be a "feature"00:12
internetishardwhat's a good way to automate a password prompt on the n900?00:13
internetishardThis is so I can mount sshfs quickly00:14
SpeedEvilsetup keys properly, o you don't need passwords00:16
alteregouse an rsa key ..00:16
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internetishardOh, I'm trying to use two factor00:16
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BCMMinternetishard: ssh keys?00:22
BCMMoh, right00:22
BCMMso, what's the point of two factors if you're just going to store both of them?00:22
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internetishardboth of what?00:22
internetisharda password and a key?00:22
internetishardso that I'm not fucked if someone gets ahold of my key00:23
lcukhave we sussed out how to do fingerprint recognition on multitouch screens yet?00:23
* Arkenoi is playing with e7.. appears that web browser is *much* more smooth there :-(00:23
lcukor is the resolution not great enough?00:23
lcukArkenoi, lower the screen resolution and you make it easier to do stuff00:24
BCMMheh. pretty sure both the resolution and the maximum number of simultaneous touches detected are an order of magnitude too low00:24
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BCMMinternetishard: but you are proposing storing the password on the n900, to automate things, right?00:25
internetishardoh no00:25
internetishardI want to automate the mount process00:25
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internetishardso it has the key and when I click mount or wahtever00:25
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SpeedEvilBCMM: more like 3 orders00:25
internetishardI want to be prompted for the password00:25
Arkenoiand keyboard is definitely better as well :-(00:25
BCMMSpeedEvil: for touch points, definitely. i have no idea about resolution00:25
BCMMSpeedEvil: but at least 2, yes00:26
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BCMMinternetishard: ah, i see. so not really "automate" at all00:26
BCMMinternetishard: so you're using a key with a passphrase, rather than using normal ssh keyboard auth?00:26
internetishardyeah, it is key + pass auth (two factor)00:27
BCMMhow long is your password?00:27
internetishardand I'm pretty sure sshfs works on maemo, but I haven't tried yet00:27
internetishardlike 8 chars with specials00:27
BCMMkeeping the key safe doesn't seem like a bit deal, really00:27
Arkenoitext looks like shit due to low dpi00:28
BCMMi mean, use a key just for the n900, erase the key from the server if the n900 is lost00:28
BCMMas for compromising the n900 without stealing it; if that happens, your keystrokes can be logged anyway00:28
internetishardn900 doesn't have great security, though eh?00:28
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internetishardI mean, I've been meaning to get iptables on it00:28
BCMM(see last line)00:28
BCMMinternetishard: there appears to be a slight misconception here00:29
BCMMsetting up firewall rules to block ports is a poor substitute for simply not having servers listening in the first place00:29
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internetishardfor sure00:29
BCMMbut in any case, if the n900 gets pwned, your passphrase can be logged00:30
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BCMMi can't really see a situation that the passphrase would prevent other than your n900 physically being stolen by somebody who uses the key before you get a chance to take it's pair off the server00:30
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internetishardIt didn't seem utterly useless in this case since the server's data is important00:31
BCMMeither you trust the n900 enough to log in to the server using it, or you don't...00:32
BCMMalso, i still don't see how iptables will help to "secure" the n90000:32
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SpeedEvilIf you allow logging in from only your local wifi net,forex00:33
BCMMof course, but he seems to feel it's insecure by default or until a firewall is put in place00:34
BCMMwhereas the measure you suggest is still not as good as just not installing an sshd00:34
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MohammadAGheh, Google won't dump Android 3.0's source code on the interwebz00:35
BCMMi could be missing something in this case, but a lot of people feel that way by being used to windows xp00:35
pupnik_is the text in lower-left and lower-right readable on your n900?
BCMMwhich was, indeed, not suitable for use on the internet without a NAT router or 3rd-party firewall software00:36
pupnik_or would you want an even bigger font, darker background...00:36
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n900evilpupnik_: repost00:38
SpeedEvilIt's basically readable in good conditions.00:40
nidOMohammadAG: curious to know what the real reason is, really00:41
pupnik_dunno SpeedEvil - i think the purple and orange needs to be brighter00:43
wmaronemy guess is "exclusivity" cause it'll appear on all sorts of cheaper devices once it hits the AOSP00:43
GeneralAntillesAndroid isn't open source at all.00:43
Corsacwell, there's a lot of stuff which is GPL there00:44
Corsacso they don't have much choice for those00:44
Corsacwell, Google can do anything it wants, but Motorola has to ship the sources for the xoom kernel, for example00:44
wmaroneand that's all00:44
GeneralAntillesI don't get how people delude themselves into thinking Google is their friend (or the friend of open source).00:44
SpeedEvilIt's really not googles problem if the vendors don't provide open-source.00:47
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MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, because the dancing android that was on engadget the other day is cute?00:47
SpeedEvil(for the GPL componenrts, where they should)00:47
GeneralAntillesIt is Google's decision not to release platform source.00:48
MohammadAGin Android 3.0's case, yes00:48
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CorsacMohammadAG: and people might think google is their friend because they don't have any other friend00:52
CorsacMS, Apple, Nokia aren't exactly looking friendly right now00:53
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Sazpaimon_there also seems to be no way to zoom with rdesktop00:54
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Sazpaimon_not very good for precision clicks :/00:54
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internetishardhow do you make the indexers not look in specific dirs?00:59
SpeedEvilfrom memrory01:00
SpeedEvilFiddle with that, and you can exclude dirs.01:00
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Arkenoidespite low screen resolution, no auto focus and no memory card, i'd switch to e7 if it could run maemo/meego. symbian is disaster, not an option anyways.01:07
jacekowskisymbian isn't a disaster01:08
jacekowskisymbian is very good fast os01:08
jacekowskiit's just developer hostile01:08
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jacekowskibut if you get used to it's specifics it's really good system01:08
Arkenoideveloper hostile and lacking unified communications. i use instant messaging very much and symbian sucks in that.01:09
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jacekowskionly phone with that unified was n90001:10
jacekowskiand even that not so much01:10
Arkenoihave to notice there is great progress since s60r3fp2, no more "out of memory" all the way at least01:10
jacekowskisymbian was running on much more resource constrained devices01:11
Arkenoithe funniest thing with that there was plenty of memory available, "memory" meant some fixed size internal allocation structures01:11
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jacekowskithat was tradeoff with resource usage01:12
jacekowskisymbian started off on devices that had less than 1M of ram01:12
jacekowskiand it scaled up way better than any other os i've ever seen01:13
Arkenoibut installing ~50+ applications and having 500+ contacts in address book among with several "plugins" like nokia conversations rendered my old e90 almost.. well, not really unusable, but you had to know what to close before you run another thing01:13
Arkenoiand slow as hell01:13
jacekowskii had over 2k contacts in my old ngage01:14
Arkenoii have about 1k, problems started at 50001:14
jacekowskijust because one time i messed up things and stuff got doubled01:14
Arkenois80 was worse, though01:14
jacekowskiwhen syncing with gnokii01:14
Arkenoiah, and syncing was hell all the time01:14
jacekowskibut never had any problems with it01:15
jacekowskiit was just working fine01:15
jacekowskii remember it as being faster than n900 contacts01:15
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Jef91Well this suck01:41
Jef91With TMO being bought out this means no more N900 in the USA :(01:41
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Jef91At least with decent mobile speeds01:41
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ArkenoiJef91, why?01:48
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pupnik_please call it something besides TMO, which is talk.maemo.org01:49
pupnik_you scared me01:49
Jef91Arkenoi only company thats gives n900 3g speeds state sides01:50
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Jef91After AT&T buys them they are taking down that 3g band01:50
chxwont there be a few ppl like a million or ten who sues AT&T out of existence if it does that?01:50
ArkenoiJef91, why taking down frequencies they already own?01:50
Arkenoiseems illogical to me01:51
chxyou cant just go in and take away AWS service...01:51
Jef91Upkeep costs01:51
chxI would think they would rather build on it01:51
Jef91Nope, they are within their rights to do that01:51
chxit's already up to 42 mbps isnt it?01:51
Jef91They are going to "give" peole new handhelds01:51
Jef91but as many of us know, no handheld is the n90001:52
Proteouswere are you hearing all these things?01:52
chxthat'd be a very costly endeavour, give everyone a new device who is using AWS.01:52
chxsounds reddit bullshit to me :)01:52
Proteousor are you just making them up01:52
Proteousthere is no way they are not going to use the tmobile frequencies01:53
Proteousthat spectrum is worth a shit ton01:53
chxin my imagination AT&T will just use TMO's existing network to provide LTE01:53
chxand expand it01:53
chxthat'd be very logical wouldnt it?01:53
chxthey already have a 42mbps network01:53
chxthat's quite something.01:53
chxAT&T can't match that, not even close01:53
chxsee here. AT&T is so behind, it's not even mentioned.01:54
chxthe problem will be data plans. if you dont have an imagination of what will transpire, check this.01:56
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SpeedEvilAll users would benefit from a simple unified data plan.01:59
SpeedEvilText message costs per byte are clearly what this should be based on.01:59
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Jef91I wish I could get that network in chicago02:00
Jef91I get round 2mb here02:00
Jef91burst up to 502:00
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pupnik_don't start too many projects02:05
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Pillumis it illegal to decompile an android app to recode it?02:19
Guest40473sounds OK to me02:22
Guest40473in the states we just have laws preventing "unauthorized use of a computing resource"02:26
Guest40473which does not cover decompilation of software you have license to use.02:26
Venemowho cares about what laws are there in the states...?02:27
Guest40473and the federal DMCA, which only protects products with "protection mechanisms"02:27
Guest40473maybe Pillum does.02:27
VenemoI don't live in the state, so I don't.02:27
SpeedEvilThey usually say 'cannot decompile, ...'02:27
SpeedEvilAnd AIUI EULAs have been decided to be binding - at least what law has been made around them.02:27
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PillumI live in germany02:28
JartzaIn Europe, the 1991 Software Directive explicitly provides for a right to decompile in order to achieve interoperability.02:28
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JartzaThere is the "Article 6" about decompilation02:33
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yaccAny idea how to make the N900 create a resolv.conf based on the data sent from my mobile provider?03:52
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Dhraakellianso, I'm trying to get fldigi working04:01
Dhraakelliansound is a bit stuttery with the version available through the debian chroot04:01
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Termanagood morning04:10
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pupnik_hallo Termana04:23
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Dhraakelliantrying to figure out how to get dev headers for samplerate04:57
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DocScrutinizeryacc: replace ICD2 by sth that works that way you want05:46
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DocScrutinizeryacc: check /var/run/resolv.conf.*05:50
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macmaNmorning guys08:00
macmaNis anyone using anything here to get a single-click wifi connect08:00
macmaNsingle-tap i guess..08:00
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macmaNhaving to 3 taps to connect and 3 to disconnect is just not right08:01
macmaNi was feeling the same way about brightness setting and simple-brightness-applet solved that absolutely beautiful08:01
macmaNi think if wifi applet could show like to last 3-5 wifi network directly in status menu it'd be great08:02
macmaNanyone agree?08:02
Sc0rpiuswhy don't you get the widget08:04
Sc0rpiusI just tap the widget and it connects to the wifi at home, just one single tap08:04
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Sc0rpiusyou can put as many widgets (I forgot the name) as you want, each for a different connection, different wifis or even 3G08:05
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Sc0rpiusit's the best solution, you'll love it08:06
macmaNi searched with apt-cache search but couldnt find anything for "wifi"08:06
macmaNperhaps i should try with appman08:06
Sc0rpiusConnectNow is the name I guess, lemme verify08:06
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Sc0rpiusconnectnow-home-widget - A desktop widget to switch internet connections.08:07
Sc0rpiusand if you tap the widget when you're connected it disconnects.  It's amazing08:07
macmaNhrm, i shouldve searched "internet" i guess :/08:07
macmaNthere is also something called connection-switcher08:08
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Sc0rpiusif you're using several wifis, just create a desktop widget for it08:08
Sc0rpius"Home", "Work", etc08:08
macmaNyep right, thanks08:08
Sc0rpiusI only have 2: my home wifi and the 3G08:08
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macmaNSc0rpius: ok it does do what i want, but how can i add multiple widgets, it disappears from list after one08:35
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Sc0rpiusI don't get it08:37
Sc0rpiusI have several of those in my desktop, I just click on the desktop settings, add another widget, select COnnectNow, etc08:37
Sc0rpiusit disappears from the widget list? that's weird.  I can add as many as I want.08:38
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macmaNi try reboot08:40
macmaNit actually installed that one automatically too08:41
macmaNso i never used the widget menu08:41
Sc0rpiusthat's weirder08:41
DocScrutinizerX-Multiple=true in .../hildon-home/*.desktop -- needs reboot or killall hildon-home to take effect08:44
Sc0rpiusbut I don't remember I did that when I installed it08:44
DocScrutinizerwhy don't you use "[X] connect to WiFi if available" when your only two internet connections are home-wifi and GPRS?08:45
Sc0rpiusthat will connect it automatically08:45
Sc0rpiusmost people don't want their N900 be online 24/708:45
Sc0rpiusI don't08:45
DocScrutinizerSc0rpius: it's probably already in .desktop, but maybe the reboot is missing08:45
macmaNSc0rpius: widget appeared after reboot08:45
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: that's that evil option that silently drops gprs connections when wifi is available?08:46
Sc0rpiusyeah maybe08:46
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DocScrutinizerwhat's evil about it?08:46
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slonopotamusit drops working connections :)08:47
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DocScrutinizerit's just evil when I switch to GPRS deliberately as my WiFi has no internet connection due to some outage08:47
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: that's a problem indeed, might need some smart algo to delay switching if some download or similar is busy08:48
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slonopotamus1. connect to 3g. 2. ssh/irc/telnet anywhere 3. come into wifi ap range 4. woops, connections dropped08:48
slonopotamusdownloads too, yep08:48
macmaNhow come there is so much whitespace on the right side of status menu08:48
macmaNnon-usable whitespace*08:49
DocScrutinizerthey had surplus08:49
macmaNi'd love a finger sized bluetooth toggle there08:49
Sc0rpiusthere's also a widget for that08:49
macmaNyeah the "we're nokia, we're NEVER gonna lose" thinking08:49
DocScrutinizerso what? go ahead build one ;-D08:49
macmaNSc0rpius: i'm using blueswitch right now08:49
macmaNbut it's icon size is non-configurable and it takes up an icon space08:50
DocScrutinizerI used to use two QB buttons to enable/disable "[X] connect to WiFi if available"08:51
macmaNDocScrutinizer: yep i just might do that08:51
DocScrutinizeralas installing CSSU nuked those 2 QB widgets and I'm absolutely fed up with spending another 60min to tailor friggin QB to show "normal" buttons instead of that yuck honeycomb design08:53
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macmaNah here's another one08:53
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macmaNis there a reason why virtual keyboard doesnt provide visual feedback right now?08:54
macmaNis that theme specific?08:54
DocScrutinizerI really hate it when that happens - you spent hours (or even days) to tailor some cute custom thing, and pooof it's gone08:54
ruskie <-- hahaha08:54
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macmaNwow opera's vkeyboard is nice!
* DocScrutinizer headdesks08:55
macmaNruskie: :) whoa08:56
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DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHA, so much for Andridiot08:58
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DocScrutinizer>>We didn't want to think about what it would take for the same software to run on phones.09:00
DocScrutinizerme neither, dear Google, me neither for sure09:00
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mecehello all10:16
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pupnik_  added inventory / knapsack drawing and thumb buttons for spells/skills/quest/help10:27
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mecepupnik_, what's this now?10:33
pupnik_a challenging semi-roguelike online mmorpg10:33
prontopupnik_: fyi that house there, has no roof :s10:34
pupnik_i'm pretty happy with how sharp the knapsack turned-out10:34
meceit doesn't rain there.10:34
mecewhat is it called?10:34
meceultima online comes to mind10:35
meceare you the developer of this game?10:35
pupnik_no i'm trying to make the client usable on n90010:35
mece(or just maemo client)10:35
meceis the game good?10:35
* pronto thinks minecraft sould be on n90010:35
meceminecraft seems to be all the rage10:36
ruskieisn't there openjdk?10:36
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meceminecraft could work10:36
ruskieso anyone actually tried running it?10:36
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prontomece: i made the mistake of buying minecraft...its all i been doing for the past few days :s10:36
* mece and java don't mix10:36
mecepronto, what's so good about it?10:37
pupnik_i like it a lot, it's not too vast10:37
pronto*shrugs* its just damn addicting for some reason10:37
mecepupnik_, url plz?10:37
meceis it playable on n900?10:37
pupnik_it might be someday10:38
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meceFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU "The password does not include enough variation to be secure. Try:Adding both upper and lowercase letters.Adding punctuation."10:39
meceI HATE that10:39
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* mece rages10:39
* mece sips some tea10:39
* mece calms down10:39
* mece reads the message again10:39
* mece rages10:39
prontowahts it for?10:40
meceI have a serious problem with these kinds of limitations10:42
Corsactr -cd '[[:graph:]]' < /dev/urandom | head -c 810:42
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meceCorsac, ?10:42
Corsacjust a quick random password generator :)10:42
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meceI do not want a random password, I want one of my passwords10:43
meceand I don't want one of my super secure passwords, because they are a pain to type10:43
meceand I want to limit their use to avoid them being caught in a trojan, and be used in more important places by association10:44
pupnik_if you try the game, please take notes of what you find frustrating10:45
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meceoh wait10:45
meceI spoke too soon10:45
meceit accepted the password even if it was deemed unsecure!10:45
mecejust as it should. Awesome!10:45
meceI take it all back10:46
mecepupnik_, ok I has account. Where can I find the client?10:46
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meceLOL well the windows client crashed on startup :D10:48
mecebut who cares. I needs N900 client10:48
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[jamez]I've  looked all over but can't figure this out:  I just bought a n800 off a friend and was trying to flash it.  My linux box can't find the device at all. lsusb shows nothing.  he's got a few apps to enable host mode.  I think it's stuck.  Any suggestions?10:56
[jamez]my n770 flashes fine using the same box, and same cable.10:57 is super slow today10:58
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DocScrutinizer51jamez: (cba to enter that first char for nick :-S ) you checked to follow correct procedure to flash, incl holding the right button when powering up?11:50
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DocScrutinizer51also note there might be another flasher prog needed for 8x0 than for 77011:52
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
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[jamez]DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, i've tried two flashers, followed the guide several times and am sure that it's properly inf lash mode :\12:13
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[jamez]nothing shows up in dmesg when I connect or disconnect the usb cable with the N800 powered on, or in flash mode12:13
robbiethe1stBroken USB port, possibly>?12:14
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ruskie <-- hehe12:24
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compengii tried to convert mkv 1080p blueray rip to mp4 file format using Avidemux. i have followed this link and download the x264 n900 optimization, i set the audio to AAC 160kbps as according to it shouldn't make trouble, but when i open the video on the phone i get video but no sound?12:36
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DocScrutinizer[jamez]: you know to use a DMM?12:54
[jamez]DocScrutinizer: Not sure what DMM stands for, so I'm guessing that I don't yet know :)12:56
infobotit has been said that dmm is Digital MultiMeter12:56
MohammadAGDigital Rights Management12:56
[jamez]ah a multimeter. yeah, I can use one of those :)12:56
DocScrutinizerProbe voltage from D+/- pins of a stripped USB cable (or adapter on a CA-101) to any of the other 2 - which are VBUS-5V external (unless hostmode enabled) and GND12:58
MohammadAGoh, thought you said DRM12:58
* MohammadAG facepalms12:58
DocScrutinizerif the USB port is OK you for sure should see some 10..100mV12:58
[jamez]Awesome. I'll have to look into that when I have a chance.12:59
[jamez]Thanks for the advice12:59
DocScrutinizerIf it's a *good* DMM (low probe voltage <1.5V) you also can probe resistance - watch out for black cable of tester connected to GND!12:59
DocScrutinizereach of D+/- should see some 1.5kR to VBUS, or 14kR either to GND, IIRC13:01
DocScrutinizerdon't use dirt cheap R-Meter as they often have probe voltage ~9V of the used 9V-block batery13:01
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DocScrutinizerprobably touching the probe tips both same time with your tounge is a rather good test if it's safe or not13:02
* chem|st is doing resistance maps in 4D atm... sounds awesome but is purely boring...13:02
DocScrutinizer...while R range enabled and Meter on!13:02
DocScrutinizer4D like Einstein continuum?13:03
chem|st3D topography + resistance13:03
DocScrutinizer4th dimension a bit different than time, but anyway13:04
DocScrutinizerprobing impedance of a pot toast?13:05
MohammadAGSo, who else wanted this in the stock player? :)13:05
chem|stpoti tracks13:06
chem|stthe chemical maps are more fascinating but still some kind of boring...13:06
DocScrutinizerI'd be more interested in impedance of my steak ;-D13:07
* DocScrutinizer wonders if the brown crust is of higher resistance than the english inner part due to lack of humidity, or maybe the carbon makes for a lower resistance :-D13:08
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chem|stthe carbon makes for a lower resistance13:09
DocScrutinizers/english/rare meduim/13:09
chem|stthere is not enough salt to overpower a nice carbon surface13:10
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(13:10
* chem|st remembers measuring purity of DLC coatings on drills...13:10
DocScrutinizerduh, *action*13:11
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)13:11
chem|stdiamond like carbon13:12
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FauxFauxDownloadable Content for drillbits?13:13
FauxFauxNew market.13:13
* DocScrutinizer wonders about diamonds and electric current13:13
DocScrutinizereither extremely good or extremely bad conductors, I guess13:14
chem|sta highly scratchresistant insulator13:16
lcukdiamond lined wiring13:16
Psidon't suppose anyone knows how close you can get to a 2kW tesla coil before damaging your n900?13:17
cehtehhehe serves as cutting tool to and makes the girl jealous13:17
JaffaMorning, all13:17
mecePsi, I don't but lemme know when you find out.13:17
cehtehPsi: its more about how good you ground the n900, just being in a charged field should not directly cause damage .. but as soon the electrictiy flows it gets nasty13:18
lcukPsi, I will hold your beer whilst you do some tests.13:18
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mececehteh, well I assume he's not going to allow the 2kW to go through him. that would be awkward.13:19
cehtehwhile such high voltages flow over the surface maybe the n900 could survive it, just try out and report13:19
lcukif you held out your stylus would it be a mini lightening rod?13:19
Psiits plastic, doubt it13:19
cehtehsurface ...13:20
cehtehif there are smears of finger grease and humidity it might be enough13:20
chem|stPsi: do not underestimate the carbon layer you have on any surface13:20
meceI still think it would go in through usb and out through 3.5mm13:20
cehtehyes and the black plastic is likely tinted with carbon poweder13:20
mecefaster than across dirty plastic13:20
DocScrutinizerdiamond is an extremely good electrical isolator, or - depending on dotation - a semiconductor13:20
DocScrutinizer(according to wikipedia / google)13:21
chem|stmece: wont the metal top edge is much mor attrackting13:21
meceDocScrutinizer, I hear it's expensive though13:21
meceRight yes. naturally most stuff would go through that.13:21
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ++13:22
cehtehwhen it comes to tesla coils, isolator or not doesnt really mater much anymore, capacity and surface effects take over13:22
DocScrutinizercehteh: (tesla) NB you got antennae on N900 :-o13:22
meceStill, I think that if there is conduction, the n900 will die.13:23
cehtehyou shield a tesla coil with a farrday cage and not with isolators13:23
Psimy scientific calculator stops working around 40cm from my flyback+tripler which puts out around 60kV13:23
cehtehhaha ... geek dream feature for the n950; buildin tesla coil :)13:23
mecePsi, does it start working again once you move away from it?13:23
Psibut id be more worried the n900 would overwrite some nand13:24
mecePsi, well I assume that there are some components that are sensitive to electromagnetic fields.13:24
mecePsi, that would suck13:24
cehtehturn nand into prom :)13:24
Psiheh yeah13:25
chem|stask nokia for a try out device and walk in crying out loud "for sience"13:25
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DocScrutinizerdepending on resonance freq of tesla coil, the antennae of N900 could catch up *way* too much energy which will fry semiconductors for sure. No way to shield that, except by placing the whole device into a faraday cage13:27
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DocScrutinizerif you want to do a quick test for getting ballpark figures, then place N900 into a microwave13:28
Psii think ill pass13:28
DocScrutinizerill pass?13:28
cehtehDocScrutinizer: i doubt that, whats the factor of the antenna lambda/4? teslas frequencies are way lower than the some Ghz where the n900 antennas operate13:29
DocScrutinizeryou'll pass the microwave test? Don't you think you'll look like that legendary US cat?13:29
DocScrutinizercehteh: FMTX :-P13:30
DocScrutinizercehteh: harmonics13:30
cehtehyes but with shorter antennas and harmonics on the lower side thats somewhat unlikely13:30
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DocScrutinizercehteh: even a massively detuned antenna will still catch up quite a percentage of EM13:31
Psiaww n900 doesnt pickup my new ipv6 network13:31
DocScrutinizerit's simply an exposed half of a capacitor13:31
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DocScrutinizercehteh: also quite an interesting problem if the touchscreen planes work as a large area antenna with lower (kbd) half of device as the other end of dipole13:34
* DocScrutinizer envisions some smoking copper traces on main PCB13:35
DocScrutinizertouchpanel has OVP/tranzorbs, but those are mW, not 2kW ;-D13:36
chem|stthere will be a *poff* and a little smoke on the gaps... thats it13:36
DocScrutinizer2kW tesla, what a friggin monster :-O13:37
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Psii should point out, that the 60kV flyback+tripler i talked about earlier crashes my calculator at 40cm, Its around 80W13:38
Psibit of a difference between 80W and 2000W13:38
DocScrutinizerit's semiconductor tranzorbs (before) - your description might apply to the spark gaps they become by doing this test ;-D13:38
DocScrutinizerPsi: what's that flyback&tripler thing? CRT?13:39
Psiorigionally, but its been modded13:39
DocScrutinizerwhat's tripler? a cascade? then you got DC, not RF13:40
Psiyeah, the trippler is DC13:40
crashanddieyou guys sound like the clueless actors in Numb3rs.13:40
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: that's because *you* are clueless so can't tell the difference :-D13:40
crashanddieExactly my point.13:41
Psihowever the caps in the multipler charge up and arc and then repeat, so it does send out pulses13:41
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DocScrutinizerin the Hz range, not high kHz or even MHz like a tesla does13:42
Psiwell yeah, the flyback puts out around 30khz, but the pulses coming out of the multipler would be in hz13:42
DocScrutinizeranyway I've seen digital circuits (TTL 74xx) acting up on sparks of a van der Graaf 2m distant13:43
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DocScrutinizerwe should take it to #electronics13:44
DocScrutinizerbefore crashanddie gets pissed13:44
Psiyeah, forgot i was in here13:44
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* DocScrutinizer waves and frowns on RL tasks on his schedule of today13:45
Psiill probably go to bed anyway, its midnight here13:45
DocScrutinizernoon here :-D13:45
DocScrutinizeranyway, n8 everybody13:46
infobotrumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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SpeedEvilThat would mean 120000 houses or so.14:10
SpeedEvilWhich does seem unlikely, unless you're in mexico city.14:10
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lardmanyeah, I guess I misinterpreted the units of the Easting/Northing dataset14:14
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lolcatA guy called to sell me a phone subscription and a phonoe14:39
lolcatHe had to admitt he couldn't find a bether phone, nor a subscription14:39
ruskieI don't think I got a marketing call on my cell phone number14:39
ruskieof course the number is unlisted... but still... in 13 years or?14:40
lolcatIt was my last provider14:40
lolcatSo they would have my number either way14:40
lolcatIt was amuzing, he was like: "Wow, can you really do that?" And then he asked about my data usage14:40
ruskiemy provider is using some external company to do quality assurance for service calls14:40
auenfdad gets calls offering him a $29 cap plan14:40
ruskiethey called me once I said I'm not interested and please don't call me again14:41
auenfclaiming that it'll save him $100/month14:41
ruskieand then contacted the service rep to also tell him the same...14:41
auenfhis last bill was 87c14:41
ruskiethen get a second call from the same company14:41
ruskieand I just went nuclear and yelled that the reason I was calling them was for them to stop calling me14:41
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auenfso he tries to get them to realise that it wont save him money, and makes them hang up on him14:41
ruskienever got a single call from them again14:41
lolcatauenf: Hehe, this guy was actually honest and told me he couldn't offer me anything.14:42
ruskieI just listen to any telemakreter that actually manages to get to the front door/finds the phone number14:42
ruskieif you let them do their pitch it means they won't bug you again14:42
auenfall the ones we get are just reading from a script14:42
RST38hmoo all14:42
ZogGanyone with meego on n900 here?14:43
ZogGi wonder how is multitasking in there14:43
ZogGhow do you switch and so on14:43
ruskieZogG, I'd wait for 1.2 developer edition14:43
lolcatruskie: This one asked me about my phone, I love bragging about my phone. I was highly amused telling him what I thougth of the diffrent phone oses, and how mine was superior.14:44
ruskieI guess it helps that I haven't yet changed my provider once14:44
ruskiethey just keep being competitive and competant14:44
auenfmy number has done a whole lap of all the providers here14:44
lolcatI save quite a lot on changing provider14:44
RST38hZogG <-- a fat troll14:45
ZogGRST38h, yes, i am but i wonder how does it work, as in andtroid/iphone and others or like maemo14:46
ruskieahh you mean if it suspends or actually keeps them running14:46
lolcatI buy a new bluetooth headset, and it still doesn't work14:47
abRST38h, <-- a big troll14:48
lolcat<---- a medium sized troll14:48
auenfheh, bluetooth headset14:48
auenfi just need to make my car support a2dp14:48
lolcatI wish the N900 could act as a bluetooth handsfree14:49
ZogGruskie, i mean if it's separete open windows like in maemo/desktop or it's kinda option to put them into tray or whatever android does14:49
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lolcatZogG: I hate the android implementation14:49
ruskieI think it's realtime14:50
ruskienot suspend14:50
ZogGbut how does the UX shows it?14:50
ruskieno clue... been a while since I ran meego14:50
ruskiefrankly don't like the meego handset ux... nokia gives a more maemo like UX :(14:51
ZogGit's more android ui14:53
ZogGso that's why i asked14:53
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RST38hmoorning, ab15:00
abRST38h, east coast already?15:00
* RST38h has got an E7 to play with. Not half bad. But Symbian is killing it =(15:00
RST38hab: yea15:00
RST38hab: Whoever worked on E7, they have done a really good job15:01
auenfE7 was rumored to be meego-N9 for a while15:02
abRST38h, haven't played with e7 myself15:02
RST38hab: They have done a near perfect job on the hw (except maybe the plastic ends), and did the best they could to make Symbian look decent15:03
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auenfi remember, some idiots claimed that prototype was meego15:06
GAN900The N9 proto looks a lot like the E715:06
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GAN900No worries, though, because we wont ever see an N9.15:06
auenfthat prototype clearly has symbian tho :)15:07
sandst1that prototype clearly is an e715:07
GAN900auenf, speeking of the N9 one, not the one in whatever page you've linked15:08
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nid0well that set of prototype photos is clearly of 2 different phones15:08
auenfGAN900, correct15:08
auenfthats the proper n9 proto15:08
RST38hEither I am a complete idiot, or email has been badly broken in E715:09
nid0how so?15:09
RST38hNo matter what account I try to create there, it brings me to Exchange client settings and then goes nowhere.15:09
RST38hIt definitely wants me to do SOMETHING, but WHAT? :)15:09
auenfRST38h, did you accept agreement thing?15:09
auenfiirc, that puts you into 'nokia mail' mode15:09
auenfif you dont accept it, you get normal mail client15:10
nid0also one word: profimail15:10
RST38hauenf: OMFG15:10
auenf'nokia messaging' is the term i was looking for15:10
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RST38hHow do I hmmm unaccept?15:11
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VenemoE7 would have been better with a higher res screen and MeeGo or Maemo. the way it is, N900 is superior to it15:12
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auenfhmm, where did i read that info about accepting the agreement...15:13
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auenfRST38h, i think you should be able to add a new email account that doesnt use nokia messaging15:18
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RST38hauenf: Cannot,dunno why15:18
auenfhmm, thats e7215:19
RST38hauenf: thanks! does not seem to be the same as my problem,but some good pointers anyway15:21
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RST38hAha, it looks like it only offers Exchange but not POP/IMAP or even Ovi15:23
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RST38hAnother interesting detail: due to E7's camera not being capable of macro, barcode scanner app does not work=)15:26
auenflimitations of a business phone15:26
RST38hN8 has got the same problem,I guess15:27
auenfmessaging and email are separate apps?15:27
lcukbusiness men do not use barcodes?15:27
RST38hI think it is also a fixed distance camera15:27
RST38hauenf: yes15:27
RST38hIt is no Maemo or Meego =(15:27
auenfif you go into settings of messaging, is there email?15:27
RST38hStill a very good product though: I would prefer E7 to iPhone any time of the day15:28
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RST38hauenf: yes15:28
RST38hWait, NO.15:28
auenf"With the N8 this confusion is removed as there is no longer any email functionality in the Messaging application."15:28
lardmanno barcodes!? Rubbish!15:28
RST38hlardman: it can't focus on smallish ones, bigger ones should be ok I guess15:28
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auenf"While POP and IMAP support is available, it is well hidden (if you really must use plain IMAP or POP, the easiest way to access it is to enter an incorrect password when setting up an email account - extra dialogs then appear to clarify what's wrong)."15:29
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RST38hauenf: Jesus wept...15:30
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auenfpfft, this review is claiming nokia messaging is the most battery friendly push email15:31
MohammadAGN8 can do macro, but not in video15:31
auenfimap idle was awesome on my n82's battery15:31
MohammadAGit's a software limitation I guess15:31
auenf"no auto-focus camera - the E7 has a much smaller, simpler EDoF unit"15:32
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auenfbeetagg qr reader works with E7 aparently15:34
RST38hauenf: no matter what I do, no imap/pop :)15:35
RST38hnot even web based gmail, only exchange15:35
* lardman heads off, sun is shining, catch you all later15:35
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auenfsun is shining?15:36
auenfits like 0:3015:36
RST38hshining here, indeed15:36
RST38hMS Wants Laws To Block Products Made By Software Pirates15:39
kwtmConclusion: lardman lives at the north pole.  (Last week I would have said south pole.)15:41
Corsacauenf: that's just because you live in the wrong part of the world15:42
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auenfits saturday, how is it the wrong part of the world?15:44
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RST38hauenf: wrong side of the globe indeed15:44
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chem|stRST38h: that would mean 30% of the top android apps get blocked15:53
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chem|stand i guess some people would start to dismantle µsoft products like never before15:54
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ZogGNokia Ovi Suite 3.1 Beta has now been published at Nokia Beta Labs.15:57
ZogGWP7 support?)15:57
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Sc0rpiuswell my N900 keyboard is a mess dunno what to do16:01
Sc0rpius3 keys peeled totally16:01
X-FadeSc0rpius: Replace keymat?16:02
Sc0rpiusI was thinking about that16:02
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X-FadeSc0rpius: it is a 5 minute job.16:03
Sc0rpiusdid you do it?16:03
X-FadeSc0rpius: Just 2 torx screws.16:03
X-FadeSc0rpius: Sure, changed german to us keymat :)16:03
Sc0rpiusbut you can't find an original Nokia N900 replacement keyboard16:03
Sc0rpiusbut maybe non original replacements are better since this keyboard is CRAP16:03
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* Sc0rpius clicks16:04
X-FadeAbout 5 euro.16:04
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X-FadeSc0rpius: And if you want to build your own N900:
Sc0rpiusmy own N900? heh16:06
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Sc0rpiusand everything is out of stock already16:07
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X-FadeRST38h: osc16:09
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Sc0rpiusdoes the keypad come with tools to open the phone?16:10
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chem|stSc0rpius: nope16:11
Sc0rpiusdoes it have weird screws or something standard?16:11
chem|steven domesheets have to be ordered separately16:11
chem|ststd torx16:11
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chem|st--> 15:03 < X-Fade> Sc0rpius: Just 2 torx screws.16:12
chem|stZogG: what they changed is they do not leave 450MB of install data on your C: drive anymore16:13
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Sc0rpiusI see like 5 screws16:13
Sc0rpiusbut it's ok16:13
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jeremiahIs there a maemo councile thing today?16:14
jeremiahon IRC?16:14
jeremiahNope. It is tomorrow.16:14
jeremiahBut thanks for all the fish!16:15
auenfstate elections here today (sat)16:15
chem|stSc0rpius: you only need to remove the two bottom torx16:15
chem|stthe other four are philips-0 and do mount the sliderplate16:16
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Sc0rpiuswhere are those torx again? 'cos all I see are phillips screws16:17
Sc0rpiusI see them16:18
Sc0rpiusI don't think I have a torx tool16:18
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chem|stZogG: and it crashes on me when trying to open anything from the menus...16:18
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chem|stSc0rpius: 2€ at most hardwarestores16:19
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Sazpaimon__So i managed to build gnahs with openGL ES support17:00
Sazpaimon__no idea if it works yet, need to upload the debs to my phone17:00
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: Sc0rpius: (And if you want to build your own N900:)
Sc0rpiusaren't those in China?17:07
Sc0rpiusno way I'm buying from China.17:07
DocScrutinizerduh, why?17:07
DocScrutinizersaremi is in Germany17:07
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Sazpaimon__most of my replacement nokia parts come from china17:07
DocScrutinizeryou're free to avoid Germany as well ;-P17:07
Sazpaimon__for example, I bought a replacement case for my E7117:07
Sazpaimon__and it came without a front camera17:08
Sazpaimon__only the chinese E71 lacks the camera17:08
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Sazpaimon__so i put it all together, then later try to use nimbuzz to video call17:08
Sazpaimon__and im wondering why the front camera isnt displaying anything. Oh hey look there's no hole for the front camera17:09
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DocScrutinizerSc0rpius: btw T6 torx is pretty standard tool nowadays, you can find in any better tool shop, even in supermarket occasionally17:09
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon__: now that's lame17:10
Sazpaimon__I know, right17:10
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DocScrutinizer(you not noticing it - that's what I meant)17:10
Sazpaimon__I know, right17:10
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Sc0rpiusthat definitely looks decent, but I haven't used my ebay account since 2007 and I can't remember password or secret question or whatever17:13
Sc0rpiusI guess I can register again with another email17:13
Sc0rpiusExcludes: Africa, United States, Germany17:13
Sc0rpiusOh fucker17:13
Sc0rpiusthey don't send to the US!17:14
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Sazpaimon__is there a way I can have the N900 connect via USB connection to a PC17:16
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Sazpaimon__(not the other way around)17:16
Sazpaimon__Connect to the internet, I should say17:16
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DocScrutinizerso how tall is the mushroom cloud over Fucku today?17:22
RST38h"Tech-centric human rights group Access has published a handy primer for those looking to participate in a Middle Eastern or North African revolution"17:22
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RST38hDoc: reported to be 60-70% of Chernobyl's exhaust17:23
Sazpaimon__im not sure why i built gnash in such a way that it requires mysql-common, but okay17:23
Sazpaimon__if this works I'll leave the rest up to people that know what they're doing in regards to debian packages17:23
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DocScrutinizer>>Radioactive fission products were detected in the pool at the work area. Their concentration was about ***3.9 million Bq/cc***, _ten_thousand_ times higher than the _reactor_water_ in normal operation. NISA indicated the possible damage of the Reactor Pressure Vessel of Unit 3. With these three workers, so far seventeen workers have been exposed to more than 100 mSv of radiation.17:32
RST38hHow interesting, I have just been going to quote this to you :)17:32
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DocScrutinizer>>Main Control Room Habitability & Operability:: [block5,6] Not damaged (estimate) --- WTF, didn't they find anybody willing to walk over and take a glance to make sure?17:35
RST38hthose are supposedly safe blocks, right?17:36
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DocScrutinizernot anymore, seems problems with #5 starting to get severe17:36
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DocScrutinizerI mean, if those blocks were "safe", then why to cut holes to the roofs "to avoid hydrogen explosion"?17:37
Sazpaimon__damn, gnash is segfaulting17:37
DocScrutinizer>> 16:14 Residual Heat Removal pump of Unit 5, which had failed, was replaced and then restarted.17:39
crashanddie[On the radio, about a car crash] "Due to an exploding tyre, an SUV crashed on the highway and rolled over a few times. The female passenger was ejected from the car and landed in the middle of a high traffic triple-carriage way. The drive [her husband] got out of the car, grabbed a hi-vis vest and ran up to her, only to have a passing truck catch his hi-vis vest. Both are safe and sound"17:40
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crashanddieSurvive exploding tyre, check. Survive landing in the middle of a highway, check. Survive car tumbling around, check. Survive running through a traffic laden highway, check. Survive being dragged a few dozen meters by a truck at speed, check. Be sure to buy lottery tickets, n/a.17:42
Azogthe events are independent, no need for lottery tickets17:43
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Sazpaimon__i guess I'll try to see if the version i built with debugging symbols helps17:46
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Sazpaimon__the thing is, gnash tells me that opengles  2 is supported and I can use vaapi for hardware accelleration, so that's working17:47
Sazpaimon__when I actually go to play the file, though, it segfaults17:47
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DocScrutinizerincredible, tepco - after 2 weeks of accident management - managed to have a plan to use clean water instead of sea water for injection into the reactor core pressure vessel (NB there's no way out of the PV for all the water they're injecting, other than as steam venting to environment. So the amount of water needed can't be that high to make it impossible to send 5 water transporters for that)17:49
Sazpaimon__is there a way i can launch hildon on scratchbox on FREMANTLE_ARMEL17:49
Sazpaimon__ive only been able to do it on x8617:49
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DocScrutinizer51is there an editor app for the system menu items shown?18:05
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DocScrutinizer51I honestly don't need nor want that green point 'Availability', and I'd prefer simple brightness applet to take upper left position18:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hildon-status-menu or systemui?18:07
DocScrutinizer51the menu you get when clicking on clock18:08
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MohammadAG#4 and #6
MohammadAGit's not an app, but details how to move them18:09
MohammadAGas for removing them, /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/18:09
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Sazpaimon__okay, where do I get the header files for opengl es 1.x on x86 scratchbox19:39
Sazpaimon__there's no package for GLES1, only 219:40
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pupnik"We LIKE war!  We're a war-like people!"
OkropNickwhere n900 stores sms autocomplete hints?20:44
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ProteousOkropNick: ~/.osso/.used.dictionary and ~/.osso/.personal.dictionary20:51
OkropNickProteous: thanks :)20:51
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Dattebayohey guys can anyone help me with n900?21:25
E0xwhat is the problem ?21:26
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Dattebayowell i donno how to install the program on 32GB ram21:28
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GAN900Dattebayo, be more specific?21:33
GAN900If you're talking about when installing software, most of it does so automatically.21:34
Dattebayowell it was assasing creed games21:35
Dattebayoat themiddle of the installation it says no more ram21:35
Dattebayoon n900 cell phone21:35
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BCMMDattebayo: i don't entirely understand, but adding some swap might help you21:39
Dattebayoits on the cell phone21:39
BCMM(assuming the problem is just with the install, not with actually running the game)21:39
Dattebayohow can i add swap21:39
BCMMeasiest would be a swapfile21:39
Dattebayowell it gives error there is not much ram21:40
BCMMDattebayo: what does?21:41
Dattebayoit middle of the installation21:41
BCMMDattebayo: installing what, and installing it how?21:42
Dattebayoinstallig assasin creed game by click on it21:42
BCMMby clicking on what?21:43
FIQAre you talking about ram, or memory?21:44
E0xtalking about ram when i have a lot of day of uptime in my phone i get laggy and i need restart it , exist a way of flush the memory for not need reboot the device ?21:44
BCMMDattebayo: are you using preenv?21:44
FIQbecause you told us you had 32GB ram21:44
BCMMDattebayo: the exact text of the error would be very useful21:44
FIQand that doesn't make sense, so maybe you just mix things up21:44
Dattebayowell i check it tomorrw and keep u guys on verdict ok?21:45
FIQ(memory, as in, storage memory)21:45
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Dattebayo@FIQ yes i got 32GB ram as storage21:46
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FIQI suppose you don't know what ram is21:46
E0x32GB of internal memory of the N900 is not ram memory21:46
kerio92haha 32gb of ram21:46
kerio92i wish21:46
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FIQindeed :P21:47
FIQwould be awesome21:47
GAN900E0x, killall modest, killall browserd, killall hildon-desktop21:47
E0xGAN900: thx21:47
E0xlet me try it21:47
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E0xGAN900: have autorestart ?21:47
GAN900BCMM, swap is 768MB by default21:47
E0xi mean for modest21:47
E0xa least21:47
GAN900E0x, yes21:48
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E0xhmm something phone app21:50
E0xget locked in lanscape mode21:50
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MohammadAGE0x, killall hildon-desktop messes up rotation22:19
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E0xMohammadAG: yes , i saw that22:22
E0xi close the phone app firts22:22
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E0xand again killall22:22
MohammadAGI open the phone app, it rotates, then I killall22:23
E0xMohammadAG: but ! the lockedin in the phone appa happen to me time to time without the killall thing of hildon-desktop22:23
E0xin normal use22:23
E0xlike : phone locked and secured ( code ) then call income , the app start in portaid mode then switch to landscape22:24
MohammadAGoh, no idea22:24
E0xand all this having portrait mode ( only ) setting22:24
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E0xMohammadAG: exist plan in the CSSU team for phone app replace ?22:25
E0xis not this app using open backend program ? or is all closed ?22:26
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MohammadAGreplace? no22:27
MohammadAGyou can never clone that thing without missing some functionality22:27
MohammadAGwe need a proper team, like it started out for the foss mediaplayer (Sadly, I'm the only one working on it now)22:28
E0xwhat skill are needed for help in a least minimal way in that ?22:28
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MohammadAGDBus, C, C++, and Qt22:32
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Sazpaimon__why doesn't maemo provide EGL/eglext.h?22:40
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javispedrothe latest diablo opera is _fantastic_22:49
javispedrofaster, smaller binary, nicer UI, they even made a gesture for go to top/bottom of page22:49
javispedroand reflow!! did I mention it has reflow??22:49
MohammadAGno, you didn't :)22:53
javispedroand it even reflows wikipedia's default skin correctly!22:53
GAN900javispedro, why do you want me to charge one of my N800s?22:53
* javispedro falls in love22:53
MohammadAGworse, he makes me want an N81022:54
MohammadAGisn't it the same as the N900 version?22:54
javispedroit's friggin wonderful, try zooming in and out on a wikipedia article.22:54
javispedroMohammadAG: i'd bet so, but happened to try it first on the n8x0 =)22:54
mikhasreflow? cool22:55
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javispedroI wish they'd put the hardware zoom buttons to use instead of the on-screen ones.22:58
MohammadAGjavispedro, so it's better than microB? :)22:59
javispedroon the n8x0 it already mostly was due to old microb's speed.23:00
javispedrohaven't tried it on n900 yet.23:00
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javispedrohey, I see they now link with Gtk+23:04
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MohammadAGprobably for hildon?23:05
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javispedrowhen I tap on the search bar23:06
javispedroa hildonentry appears over it =)23:06
javispedroso that I can use the him keyboard23:07
javispedrotricky, but works23:07
MohammadAGoh, the N8x0 can't do portrait mode can it?23:07
javispedronot with the stock kernel23:08
MohammadAGerr, it needs a patched kernel?23:08
javispedroand xorg iirc23:08
MohammadAGisn't rotation just a resolution change and a software window resize23:09
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javispedronah if you want to do it on hw23:09
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javispedroit's surprising someone still cares for the n8x023:11
javispedroI even see a "Use GPS for geolocation" option here.23:11
javispedrohats off for those opera guys.23:11
jacekowskiwhat about new opera for n900?23:12
ponyofdeathhi, anyone know where Mail for exchange saves its stuff i need to remove some emails because it was running out of space. or if i can move the storage to another location23:13
jacekowskisomewhere in ~/23:14
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jacekowskivery likely that it will be .modest23:15
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ponyofdeathjacekowski: thx how can is it safe to prune23:16
jacekowskiponyofdeath: you can change mfe settings to keep less history23:17
jacekowskiand it should delete it automatically23:18
jacekowskiotherwise whatever you delete it will just redownload23:18
* javispedro still has the old opera on his n900, probably they haven't got to update it yet.23:18
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jacekowskijavispedro: is it beta6?23:19
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jacekowskithat you're talking about23:19
jacekowskior what?23:19
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jacekowskithere are only packages from 22 jul23:19
javispedroit's v 11.0, not 10.n23:19
jacekowskinothing in repository23:19
ponyofdeathjacekowski: ok the 1day 3day .. setting?23:19
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javispedroseemingly they uploaded it directly to -testing23:20
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jacekowskiponyofdeath: yes23:21
ponyofdeathjacekowski: thanks so much23:22
arcolIm curious if there are any effort to RE the closed part of n900, and slowly replace each software or driver in maemo distribution? If so, can somebody point me to the right source tree (git, svn, etc)23:23
jacekowskiarcol: there are some efforts but not a lot23:23
jacekowskiarcol: there is way too much of that23:23
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jacekowskiit takes couple months to reverse engineer 1MB piece of code if you want to do it properly with clean room technique23:25
arcolit seems to me, that everyone waited for the miracle from nokia (ie. meego)23:25
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jacekowskimeego is mostly open23:25
jacekowskiand can run on n90023:25
jacekowskiit's just a fact that there isn't a lot of stuff that can run on it23:26
arcoljacekowski: well, Im interested mostly in source code, so if there are any effort RE, the camera app for example. I would greatly appreciate a link for the git tree23:26
jacekowskiarcol: nobody cares about that23:26
jacekowskiarcol: there are better alternatives23:26
jacekowskibless n900 or fcamera23:26
javispedrosomeone does care23:26
javispedro( )23:26
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javispedroon an unrelated topic, the new nokia font:
javispedroresembles Segoe. Serves them well....23:28
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hawaii_I need to debug hildon-desktop ON device.23:59

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